diff --git a/k/57819001.txt b/k/57819001.txt index ce54e776d31cdaf62037d4c9cfa730c49e772681..3e07189a08d2a4cbff02137b18a6c2ee6fd2338c 100644 --- a/k/57819001.txt +++ b/k/57819001.txt @@ -1154,3 +1154,96 @@ Not weird at all. They are very bulky and not always reliable though, so pretty SIG are complete fucks about designing a new magazine pattern for every single gun they make just to force you to buy overpriced OEM mags from them. No way around it until the model you have has been around long enough for aftermarket options to pop up. >>57899018 Regular Chinese slings. You can get them on eBay all day. +--- 57904372 +>>57898078 +yes I am looking to stay in the US. I want to bring my guns because they are important to me and I don't want to leave them with my parents in case they change the laws and come under licence in the future. +>>57898041 +yes, I will be selling most of them, but I at least want to keep the guns I inherited from my grandfather and my first gun which I bought when I was 15. +--- 57904409 +can anyone ID what kind of gun this is? +--- 57904433 +>>57904409 +That's the ruger carbine. +--- 57905817 +>>57904409 +Ruger PC carbine with an Mlok free float rail +--- 57905886 +Tried this question before but got buried in a bump limit + +would it be much wiser to get a user serviceable suppressor over a non user serviceable? every now and then I'll see a comment saying that most non serv. can be cleaned by just soaking it in solvent +Just curious to how dirty cans actually get (especially with cheap potentially corrosive ammo and what not) +--- 57905896 +>>57905886 +Most sealed cans pick up whole ounces of material over time which degrades their performance. Serviceable cans tend to be heavier. Some unservicable cans can be sent to the manufacturer for cleaning. +But at some point you have to stop waffling and actually buy a can, most are pretty good, do your research. +--- 57905928 +>>57905886 +>Just curious to how dirty cans actually get +That varies a great deal. +Rimfire ammo is dirty AF, period. Buying a rimfire can that you cannot disassemble for cleaning is stupid. Most centerfire cans get very little residue in them because the ammo is generally very clean and cleaning the can is rarely required because there's just not much to clean out of it. When was the last time you heard about someone having to clean out their AR gas block or gas tube, for example? But in some cases cans do get dirty. This is especially with SBRs where there may be a lot of powder which never gets the chance to burn in the barrel. That will dirty up the can faster. +--- 57906044 +>>57905896 +>>57905928 +Good points, I've been looking at the either the Bushwacker 36 or the Banish .30. Only major difference being the user serv. part. (also banish is a bit lighter) thanks yall +--- 57906079 +>>57906044 +Something else to think about: Yes, it is possible to chemically clean lead residue out of a can. However, this produces some seriously toxic waste that you REALLY don't want getting on your hands and is tricky to dispose of. Also, that solvent method only works on stainless suppressors. The solvents will attack aluminum or titanium. It's not impossible to clean a suppressor with solvent but you do need to be careful. +--- 57906619 +Does anyone have a link to the thread about anon making ap ammo out of tungsten inserted into 308? +--- 57906788 +CZ P10c or Shield? +--- 57909302 +>>57902169 +>>57902905 +That's a bummer, thanks bros. Kinda guessed that from searching around but it's nice to have confirmation. +--- 57909447 +I bought a LBT modular plate carrier at /k/'s recommendation and now I need to buy plates. Can any of you recommend a brand and material? +--- 57909583 +Why aren't the guns I want ever in stock? +Howa mini 6mm ARC bolt actions dont exist anywhere and Henry Model X is only on gunbroker sold by price gougers. +--- 57909821 +>>57906788 +Not the same class of handgun +P10 for general purpose, Shield for a dedicated small concealed carry gun +--- 57910595 +Is there a guide to ACOGs? I want to get one to put on a 20" AR but there's a zillion different models. +--- 57911315 +Is there any historical basis or practicality to this pose? +--- 57912215 +>>57819001 (OP) +>>57819001 (OP) +Im a fucking idiot and a fool. I cant into slicing my own glock/ar stl's for an ender 3. + +Is there a place where gcodes already exist for an ender 3, looking for glock 19 frames and 9mm ar frames. im fucking great at mags, but i have shame still. +--- 57913658 +What does /k/ think of the P22? Kind of interested in a .22 pistol to eat through some of my stockpiled ammo, but I'm cucked for choice due to a roster (for now). +--- 57914245 +I have a Savage 93 in 22 mag, the front and rear sights are both dovetailed into the barrel. Does anyone know if the dovetail cuts are the same dimensions for both the front and rear sight? i don't currently have access to my tools to take them out and measure. +--- 57914496 +>>57913658 +They're kinda shitty. Design feels nice ergonomically but they refuse to work unless you run a steady diet of CCI minimags, and build quality is cheap. +I recommend Buckmark, 22 revolver or look around for an off roster Ruger MKII. I have a Ruger 22/45 that I might sell off PPT if you're near the bay area. +Email me at residentwumbologist at Gmail if interested. + +Also 22 rifle is a good way to go. +>>57909583 +If you want it, odds are somebody else does too. If it's a low volume production thing then that compounds the issue. +For something obscure and hard to find I recommend being patient. There's no urgent need to have it right away, so keep cash on hand and an eye out. It'll pop up when you least expect it. +>>57906788 +Preference. Both are fine. Try them out and go with what you like more. +>>57905886 +Because they are NFA items and sending one anywhere to have anything done with it is a huge hassle I wouldn't even consider one that I can't unfuck myself. +>>57904409 +Ruger PC. +With a modified surplus PPSh-41 stock and a Magpul Glock drum you can have a cyberpunk Papasha. +>>57904372 +Look up some importer FFLs and email them for specifics. What guns they can import, what they can't, how to do it and what it'll cost. Not all guns can be imported, and the rules on that are far more restrictive and arbitrary than you would think. US gun laws are very permissive with ownership but they are also geared to protect domestic manufacturers from foreign competition, which applies for one off imports just like it does for batches of 10000+. +--- 57914511 +>>57819001 (OP) +Are the parts to F5's ACR stock clone compatible with the actual acr stock? +--- 57914651 +Anons help me pick a slide optic combo for my glock 19 +--- 57914764 +>>57819001 (OP) +what would you call a piece of metal that screws into the side of an ambidextrous AR safety selector and turns it into a right-handed safety selector that doesn't get in the way of a right-handed shooter's hand? +Also, who sells this? diff --git a/k/57834081.txt b/k/57834081.txt index 0f0c5ca65e9296fd3164b9b862273069212114d5..4c45e2666ae53ca9abdce579936b5012f39669bd 100644 --- a/k/57834081.txt +++ b/k/57834081.txt @@ -490,3 +490,84 @@ Vacuum your shit dude, that's disgusting. --- 57903504 >>57903296 Hey i just received my springfield 1944 from the cmp. it turned 79 this month. +--- 57903898 +>>57899863 + +Lovely, still waiting for the right Gasser to round out the collection. +--- 57905303 +>>57901946 +Pls gib 99 long, preferably Nagoya. +--- 57905356 +>>57903317 +My grandpa said his dad carried an old Steyr pistol and he’ll have to look for it is there anything it could be other than this? +--- 57906225 +>>57905303 +Isildur.gif +--- 57906394 +>>57875645 +its like half a year ago last time i shot smth. +feels bad man +--- 57908314 +>>57906394 +Go shoot your guns anon +--- 57910221 +Am I insane or was there one anon that successfully 3d printed shells for a .577 snider and they worked. +--- 57910335 +>>57910221 +No it happened. I don't think he was a /msg/ regular though. +--- 57910350 +>>57910221 +Yes, yes, and yes. Try the reloading thread; I think .577Zoomer pops up there occasionally. +--- 57910649 +>>57906394 +Why do you live with your grandma? +--- 57911154 +>>57901869 +I've got 3 of them (one Nagoya and 2 TKs) and no you can't have any of them. I also used to own another Nagoya, but sold it. +--- 57911497 +Not surp, but anyone get any steals lately? + +I got this Winchester 42 for $460 shipped today. +--- 57911511 +>>57911497 +I'm not intelligent enough to add pictures. +--- 57911652 +>>57911497 +I'm pretty new to this so I have no idea whether something is going for a good price or not. I've gotten two pistols that were both cheaper than I'd seen them elsewhere but I still don't know if they were steals. +--- 57911865 +>>57901869 +We long 99 posting now. +--- 57912398 +>>57875706 +But Miatas are still gay. +--- 57912863 +>>57911154 +>I've got 3 of them +Well, save a Nagoya 99 long with matching bolt for me if you see one. I want one to go with my Type 99 short rifle. +>>57911865 +Stop taunting me. +--- 57912872 +>>57911865 +track day bro let's kiss (this video is a decade old now if you want to feel old) +--- 57913504 +>>57911497 +My gasser could be considered a steal at $1600. +--- 57914289 +>>57842206 +You could just sell the unused cases you don't want on Gunbroker or something. +--- 57914343 +>>57861583 +i'm shooting a few decades old gun. +if the numbers don't match then i can fire away with no qualms about finding a replacement. +i have a near mint 1942 p08 that i'm scared about even taking out of the case. +my beat to hell arisaka with no matching parts gets used pretty often. +--- 57914424 +>>57914343 +>>57911865 +longgun is looooooong +--- 57914685 +>>57914424 +We can go looonger. +--- 57914760 +>>57914685 +What was the longest rifle to actually see military service? diff --git a/k/57857018.txt b/k/57857018.txt index b82c27c5d1e84c69db24357a305cba309b2a7e97..ab9097a5812cffb365af96336dd757aeb057e7f5 100644 --- a/k/57857018.txt +++ b/k/57857018.txt @@ -944,3 +944,89 @@ Neat --- 57903460 >>57902403 about $150 or so, it was before the second wave of retro so A2 uppers were still getting up there in price but it wasn't out of control +--- 57904402 +>>57903460 +Where get? +--- 57905203 +>>57857736 +Psa 20 inch chf. Fn barrel, they have a free float and a handguard with sight post bit the handguard is not smooth like the a1. You have to get that elsewhere and swap it. They're flat tops though so.. I think they're sub 500$ +--- 57906934 +Just bought one for an AR 10 despite I don't own the rifle yet. +--- 57907528 +My attempt at a Blood Diamond CAR-15 clone +--- 57908520 +>>57880071 +wew lad + +>>57857018 (OP) +does anyone know where to get 20 round usgi magazines but pinned to 10 round capacity? And then what sort of maglock options look the least ugly? t. CA resident +--- 57908914 +>>57908520 +I doubt you find a USGI 20 pinned to 10. In the 90's, Colt included two 20-rd sized magazines with a USGI body and inside was an insert limiting them to 5-rd. Then the buttplate was riveted so it could not be removed. +Check Gunbroker Item: 979064539 Going for $40 For you, it would be a good idea to may pick up 2 or 3. +--- 57909463 +>>57908520 +https://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=11295 +--- 57909593 +>>57864579 +Baste. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfMsVbEpzk [Embed] +The last few albums have been okay, but they'll never top DD or PB. +--- 57910279 +>>57902854 +thank you friend +--- 57911636 +>>57907528 +nice put a 20 rounder in it +--- 57911648 +Is there a way to get one without it being so expensive +And not one that's just attached by rail +--- 57912297 +>>57911648 +Yeah. H&R's new clones. +--- 57912725 +Next build, taking suggestions. +--- 57912857 +>>57912725 +I am sorry to say your upcoming AR appears to be of mixed racial ancestry. +--- 57913029 +>>57857018 (OP) +A1 with round handguards. Thoughts? +--- 57913062 +>>57912725 +>detachable carry handle +Don't even. Just get a proper upper. +--- 57913096 +>>57877777 +Chcked +--- 57913240 +>>57913029 +wasnt that a legit thing in like the 90s for the national guard? +--- 57913351 +>>57912725 +>>57913062 +This, but save the carry handle for the sight parts. +--- 57913411 +>>57886211 +--- 57913431 +>>57913029 +very practical upgrade to the a1, I find round more comfortable to grip, and having one part number for the handguards instead of two is very pragmatic. a1 profile barrel is lighter and more balanced. if you prefer a1 sights to a2 it is a great option. only thing is a1 upper has no case deflector, but the colt 733 style upper has case deflector and a1 sights +--- 57913471 +>>57912857 +Mutts are loyal. +>>57913062 +>>57913351 +Flattop because I'm building a shooter. 11.5" pin and weld goes without saying. +--- 57913858 +>>57913471 +What suggestions do you want? Sounds like the only thing you haven't picked out yet is an upper, lower and fsb +--- 57913997 +>>57908914 +those definitely look great but my plan is to build an AR with a maglock, and 5rds is pretty gimped compared to 10, which is already gimped, but it's the legal limit in my state for now. I can also use detachable magazines but only if I put a kydex fin on the grip or use a cucked grip which would be far worse for the aesthetics of the rifle than a maglock would be. + +>>57909463 +thanks anon. got any recommendations for mag locking systems that look subtle and would look alright on an a1 or a2 themed rifle? +--- 57914608 +>>57912297 +>tfw still too much of a poorfag to afford it +>have to build a poverty pony with rail mount handle diff --git a/k/57857308.txt b/k/57857308.txt index a680b804e14a1483f4a8109bc8a37453ad78fdf1..613ccae37bd66ad82ca4e1a2b5565e62275bec8c 100644 --- a/k/57857308.txt +++ b/k/57857308.txt @@ -973,3 +973,133 @@ Urban exploration resources are useful, just be careful about doing urban explor >>57862787 >Navigating the water getting there, with all the submerged stumps, you need a penetrating white light in the water if you're inserting during the night. But after that you can run nods. Worth a shot with an IR illuminator. I loathe emitting any light or sound at night, just because people are much much more sensitive to it +--- 57904277 +>>57902206 +2010-2013 was the perfect era for those lol. I remember laying in my dorm in college and not being able to sleep. +--- 57904514 +>>57862057 +Rollin for one that speaks english +--- 57904522 +Non American here, how do stalker challenges work? +--- 57904602 +>>57904522 +you trespass at an abandoned structure with a gun and practice your sneeki breeki. It's inspired by the video game stalker shadow of chernobyl. There's a point counter here >>57901931 where you can see exactly how the game is played and scored. But you have to bring a gun and you have to go innawoods. +--- 57904615 +>>57904522 +It's urbex with self-imposed challenges inspired by the videogame series STALKER +example of rules >>57901931 +--- 57906148 +>>57887660 +What is the leftmost thing on your scope mount? +--- 57906181 +>>57902173 +where in? that is a doable trip for me +--- 57906430 +>>57874900 +So jealous. One day +--- 57906489 +Was very drunk and fell through two sets of floors into the basement after I took this photo. Very fun times +--- 57906541 +>>57906148 +looks like a Perst 3 +--- 57907414 +>>57874900 +Who owns all that land? Private or state? +--- 57908695 +>>57907414 +A big chunk of the state is owned by federal/state or by timber/mining/mineral companies. +--- 57910021 +>>57903333 +quads of truth +--- 57910992 +>>57901071 +Noice! subscribed. +--- 57911290 +>>57857308 (OP) +Why not just pretend to be homeless for three nights and go innacity? Seems like more of a difficult challenge. +--- 57911466 +>>57910992 +Thanks, brother! +>>57911290 +It's all about the aesthetic, man. +--- 57911669 +>>57869718 +Warm brahmin milk, magnets and a few happy thoughts. +--- 57912733 +>>57880823 +What would cause a 3-5 minute long siren, bros? +Missile launch site? Air raid siren? S-sure there's no Sirenhead, r-right??? +--- 57912901 +>>57912733 +I wouldn’t worry about it. +--- 57913373 +>>57906181 +>>57902173 +Also would like to know where, seems like Ohio has fuck all for good stalking spots. +--- 57913533 +>>57857801 +Ah I was hoping you would be here I remember that thread! +--- 57913740 +>>57877010 +>>57877024 +I thought he got someone else to stand with him and there were two sets of feet. Shadow and thumb make each foot look real weird when it's a thumbnail while hovering over the blue reply. +--- 57913811 +>>57857637 +Sounds like fun. Good job OP. +--- 57913995 +>>57902173 +>>57888002 +How did you get in? Where did you leave your car? With the medicinal grow facility next to it, there has to be some form of security, right? I'm actually considering checking this place out myself. +--- 57914055 +>>57877010 +when I have the island more presentable I'll drop the gps and a good burner email to get ahold of me is kelitoris4@gmail.com +>>57913373 +>>57906181 +>>57913995 +here's the gps. it's on the same land as a grow ohio medical marijuana indoor farm, and a quasar biomass plant. Both of them will bust you out. Plus the factory is owned by a private inbred redneck that will bust you out and has trailcams. It's not impossible just very hard, much harder now than it was. I'd suggest finding some way to enter by the woods and come in behind the factory (be sure not to get wrong turned in the woods or die to rednecks). Driving in through the front gate is a little too brazen nowadays but you might still get away with it + +I'll drop a few more pics so you guys can see where I entered. I just drive in the front fucking gates and acted like I belonged. Instead of driving right to the weed farm and biomass plant you go right on a dirt road to the cement factory. I parked up close to the factory away from the weed farm. I covered my car with a camo tarp (didn't do shit but make me feel better). If I'd do it again I'd try to drive up inside of this loading dock. I parked right next to the loading dock, but you could drive up inside of it and be totally concealed from the outside. But there's lots of just giant fucking holes in the ground where the concrete has fallen away, so I was afraid I was going to drive on a hidden cracked chunk and cave myself in. +--- 57914091 +my totally invisible car +--- 57914106 +here's the front gate's, veer a left at the fork for cheeki breeki +--- 57914122 +>>57914106 +So you literally just drive right past the grow facility and they don't give a shit? How about the owner, any run ins with him? In regards to the grow facility, would it be easier to get past after hours or some shit? +--- 57914162 +>>57914055 +damn, shame its hard to get into. Its such a cool looking spot. +--- 57914171 +this is the loading dock area as mentioned. there's a short concrete ramp that leads up to it. +>>57914122 +they will immedietely call the land owner, or the police if they see you drive over there. they have a no trespassing sign now I believe. We almost got busted when we were there last. There's a pond between the abandoned structures and the active factories and it carries sound really well. We'd been in the place for about 4 hours and then we heard 2 grown men yelling and knocking things around maybe 100 yards away from us in another part of the factory. We fucking hightailed it out of there. Pretty sure it was biomass employees. But I wasn't stickin around to see. We loaded into the car and tried to get out by the front gate. But they closed and locked it. There's giant concrete driving pilons that won't let you get around it. They'd locked us in. After hours you won't be able to get through the gate. So instead I offroaded around the grow ohio and drove over the ditch to get back on 22 further up the way. I think they've fenced this over too. They probably saw me on the cameras offroading +--- 57914181 +here we're driving offroad past the grow ohio lol. this was a front wheel drive shitbox and it rained the day before. I was fucking sweating I was gonna get stuck +--- 57914200 +>>57914181 +>>57914171 +you absolute fucking madman. God I'd love to check this place out but it seems like a huge challenge. Do you know where the owner keeps any of the trail cams? And if the place is all fenced off, I can't imagine you'd be able to get in through the back, but I could be wrong. +--- 57914299 +>>57914200 +I don't know where, but I've heard people from the area (I originally grew up in the area, lots of family still lives in zanesville) that people who got busted at the place had their license plate numbers recorded on a trailcam. The rumor is the redneck who owns it has them all over the place. Now I don't think they got my plates otherwise they probably would've sent me a notice to appear in court. I would air on the side of caution. Reality is probably somewhere in between, he probably has a motion sensor or weight sensor to let him know someone's gone down the dirt road. Then he's probably got 1 camera pointed where most people drive by. + +As far as in the rear, the atv trails (that's what they look like to me) definitely have gates on them. If you inserted by the woods, you would have to do so way behind the structure somewhere south of east fultonham. Then you'd have to navigate all those redneck woods without getting caught. Either way you insert it's gonna be an uphill hike and you're gonna be hopping some barbed wire. That or you'd have to go in by lake isabella, which would be a closer trek but way more security and higher chance some random family is gonna spot you. There's no easy way to do it. You could, in theory. Jump out of the car on 22 and wade up johnathon creek into the structure. I don't see anything stopping you from doing that. I know from personal experience that creek is too shallow for a boat. Plus if there's fencing everywhere else they probably have a grate on the creek too. So even if you did get a boat up the creek you'd have to leave it there. Getting in by Johnathon creek might be the best way to go, but you still have to pass a bunch of houses and you have basically no hope of bugging out if things get too hot. +--- 57914376 +>>57914299 +Fuck, I almost want to go in unarmed the first time just to assess the spot and see what it's like. Would hate to get busted on my first trip, especially armed. +--- 57914449 +got these 2 routes mapped up here that could work. I had a retard moment and thought that was johnathon creek but it's actually the muskingum river. that means no wading and no boats unfortunately (muskingum is perilous as fuck). Path A on the left in red is 1 mile even and we hope off at the bridge on 22 and walk the bank of the river using the woods as cover alllll the way back to the structures. Path B on the right in blue is 0.62 miles. We slow down like we're going to the municipal water source on the opposite side of the road, instead we hop out and run into the woods when there's no cars. There's no camera's on the exterior of the municipal water buildings that point towards the road. Then again we walk the banks of the river all the way back to the structure. I have someone who would be our driver and pick us up and drop us off. If shit went south we'd have half an hour to forty five minutes until we'd have evac at the soonest. Of course how we'd get the hell to the road anyways in 45 minutes is another story. If anyone's down to do this shit I'd do it too. I think if we do it we do it right. We need the camo and gear to hide in the woods. We need the guns in case of crackheads which could be a real possibility, it's a huge site. Opsec and light discipline would be absolutely crucial. There's many little nooks and crannies and crevices to hide in and camp over night. I don't know about fires, might have to be a flameless heater outing. If we planned it right we'd be in and out. Best to step off in the morning so we don't need nvg's and flashlights won't stick out while we navigate the woods. Plus in the early morning it's less likely people are up and moving around looking for stalkers. I will recon this (if some other anons don't first) to kind of see the shift changes at quasar and grow ohio. The worst time for us to be getting in or out is when there's a shift change. +--- 57914488 +It's a fucking badass site, it's just super hard to get to +--- 57914709 +>>57914449 +Seems like it's possible but definitely risky. I'm not sure if being dropped off the side of the road would be the best plan of action though, I'm sure there's somewhere you could park without any trouble. I'd love to make a trip out there a reality though. Hopefully when you go to check it out everything looks good though, that's definitely important info to find out. +--- 57915155 +>>57857333 +>I am wearing a freedom patch so that at least has the ukrainian flag on it +Bruh. + +Loners are the only good faction. +--- 57915207 +>>57860753 +I remember both the original thread and the debunk thread. Radioactive or not both anons took lots of pics of the place. diff --git a/k/57862803.txt b/k/57862803.txt index 32b795ffce4cbcc27010de7b28530b226c9aa4e8..c5f92ec0b5c8b3acfb05b31e2f22f5d63d34af6e 100644 --- a/k/57862803.txt +++ b/k/57862803.txt @@ -568,3 +568,223 @@ Basically you can't go wrong with any of the Ruger American Rimfire rifles. I ha --- 57903535 >>57895587 Interesting. I wonder if any of them can be loaded from the top though. Obviously the Mossberg 46 can't really according to anon. I guess more so what I meant was a 22lr bolt action with an internal magazine as opposed to detachable or even tube. The idea of a rifle in the most common caliber on earth that doesn't have any mags to lose is neat, though tube mags do cover the concept. +--- 57903680 +SWEET MARY MOTHER OF GOD LET A .17HM2 RIFLE FALL INTO MY LAP PLEASE PLEASE +--- 57905243 +>>57903535 +>I wonder if any of them can be loaded from the top though. Obviously the Mossberg 46 can't really according to anon. +I don't *think* that any of the rifles I mentioned in this post can be single-loaded from the top, at least not without just putting a round directly into the chamber. The tube magazine cannot be loaded from the action-end of the rifle either due to the lifter assemblies that pop rounds out of the tube and up into line with the bolt. (see shitty upside down pic of Remington 512 barrel/receiver/lifter assembly I had to repair) +Do you mean loaded from the top/ejection port into an internal box magazine, like a Mauser/military style bolt action? None that I know of (other than single shot rifles). +.22 LR doesn't really lend itself to being stacked vertically due to being rimmed. Either you have to curve the magazine (like a Ruger BX-25 or the magazines used in older Winchester and Savage rifles), or you have to have a slanted magazine (like the Ruger Mark series of handguns), where the rims won't interfere. +I think there's also a Keltec handgun that uses a weird staggered/4-column magazine, but the point still stands: +.22 LR is more difficult to stack in an internal box magazine than rifle cartridges like .30-06, 8mm, etc. It can be done with rimmed cartridges (se .303 British in Enfield rifles). It's also a small round, so it may be more difficult to manipulate into an internal box magazine that's buried down in the receiver/action of a rifle. +Just my thoughts on the topic +--- 57905368 +Old speedmaster +--- 57905413 +>>57862803 (OP) +I really need to get a semi-auto .22 rifle but there's so much red tape to buying semi-autos in my state it's almost not worth it. Will probably settle for something bolt-action. +--- 57905487 +>>57905368 +>gay foot fetish +go back to r*ddit +--- 57905502 +>>57894054 +I had two. Don't bother with the izzy, just either get a Savage or save for a 1827. +--- 57905523 +>>57905487 +Why're you looking at my feet bro? +--- 57905551 +>>57905523 +Are you too stupid to figure out how to take a picture of a rifle without your feet in the picture? It appears so. +--- 57905557 +>>57905551 +Straight eyes wouldn't see the feet at all +--- 57906031 +>>57905413 +what state anon? +--- 57906125 +>>57906031 +Where could it be if not New York or Cali? +--- 57906174 +>>57906031 +Washington. Everysing semi-auto rifle here no matter if it has scary features or not is classified as an "assault rifle" which means when you buy one you have to wait 10 business days (2 weeks) before you can take possession of it. On top of it all if you buy a semi-auto rifle not only is there a waiting period, but you also agree to waive your hipaa rights for the rest of your life and the state is able to view your mental health records in order to do a yearly check to see if you can legally possess firearms. + +I haven't bought any semi-auto rifles since July 2019 when that went into effect (which apparently was a mistake since we now have an AWB). But waiting 2 weeks and on top of it all waiving your privacy was just a big turn-off over something like a semi-automatic .22 +--- 57906254 +>>57906174 +well shit, anon. hope you find a good solution. you could find an old pump-action 22 maybe +--- 57906270 +>>57862803 (OP) +Your gramps was a cheapskate and couldn't pony up the cash for a 10/22 so now you're left with two prices of shit congrats. +--- 57906569 +>>57886719 +It's a fun time if you're interested in levergats. I don't have a scope on mine but I think you can buy a picatinny or weaver rail for it, so pretty much any scope or red dot would work. +--- 57906899 +>>57905243 +>Do you mean loaded from the top/ejection port into an internal box magazine, like a Mauser/military style bolt action? +Yeah, this was what I was getting at. I had neglected to consider that 22lr is not only rimmed but also really small, so an internal magazine probably doesn't work well, and that's probably why I've never heard of a rifle like this. Makes sense now why those mini Mosins and shit in 22lr are all single shot. Damn shame, would be pretty neat to have something like 10 or even 5 round internal mag plinkin rifle. +--- 57907673 +>>57883702 +It's a 77/17 17 HMR all weather. +Came with a Leupold. Very accurate, fun little rifle. +--- 57907677 +>>57907673 +Sexy paddle stock +--- 57908043 +>>57906174 +Damn. Stricter than my cucke eu country +--- 57908134 +>>57862803 (OP) +Looking to buy a 22 suppressor in the near future so i can shoot without earpro - how big a difference does semi auto vs bolt action make in terms of noise? I have a 10/22 currently but I'm considering buying a bolt action 22 if it would be that much quieter. I've shot a suppressed 22 bolt action before and it was absolutely hearing safe outdoors. not sure about semi-auto though. +--- 57908260 +>>57908134 +I can't really comment on the noise levels of semi-autos vs manual actions (I know semi-autos will bit at least a bit louder) as I'm still waiting on my can. +That said, go start the wait on the suppressor now. You're looking at anywhere from 200-290 days right now. Better to start the wait ASAP. It is a painful time. +>t. day 237 sufferer +--- 57908365 +>>57908134 +huge difference. The host matters a lot. My Grand Power 22 is a loud host. It's still hearing safe, but a bit clacky because of the slide. The quietest 22lr pistol host I've shot is a GSG 1911. +Everyone should have a suppressed bolt action 22. +--- 57908368 +>>57908365 +Are you the Grand Power K22 anon who was shilling it with a whole long review? +>Verification not required. +--- 57908513 +>>57908368 +....yes +Material matters. A stainless 10/22 bolt slamming into the trunnion is loud too. That's why I sold my 10/22, just was too tinny and clacky with my silencer on it. +--- 57908793 +>>57908134 +I see what youre saying. it seems like anecdotally bolt actions should be quieter. You already have a semi-auto, test that first. When I was a kid I used to run subsonics through my bolt action and I remember it being slightly louder than my pellet gun. Get on the waiting list for a can and experiment with subsonic while you wait. I think you'll find what you're looking for. If not, you can always take what you learned on the semi and apply that to a bolt. +--- 57908845 +>>57908260 +currently in IL so i can't get a suppressor but I'm working on moving out of state. I'm seeing lots of people with NFA wait times of 30 days recently though so i have hope. +>>57908793 +>>57908365 +thanks +--- 57908856 +>>57862803 (OP) +Im stuck between a cz457 ultra and ruger 10/22 for my 1st .22 rifle +I have alot of other guns +--- 57908922 +>>57908513 +Haha being a shill for a decent pistol isn't a bad thing. I bought one because of your post, and like it quite a bit. Thanks for the previous posts! +Did you try a polymer bolt buffer on the 10/22? I've heard that those reduce the action noise a bit. +--- 57908955 +>>57908922 +the 10/22 noise is the clack of the forward stroke. didn't help at all. +Glad you got one. I swapped in a steel guide rod to mine (same part as the K100 works) and now I think I'm done modifying it. +--- 57908961 +>>57908856 (me) +Use cases will be plinking with a little hunting and easing new shooters into center fire rifles +--- 57908985 +I just fucking love 22 bros +--- 57908997 +>>57908955 +>the 10/22 noise is the clack of the forward stroke. didn't help at all. +Huh, didn't know this. +>Glad you got one. I swapped in a steel guide rod to mine (same part as the K100 works) and now I think I'm done modifying it. +What's the benefit of the steel guide rod? +--- 57909009 +>>57908985 +based +--- 57909043 +>>57862803 (OP) +tops been in for two +my uncle took my granddads vintage henry pump that was supposed to go to me but oh well +--- 57909086 +>>57908997 +I don't like polymer guide rods. No real reason other than that. Well, and I wanted to add some stuff to my order of parts from Estonia. Suppose it might make it smoother but I doubt it. +When I had a P32 I had swapped to a steel one as well. Just scratches that austimo bit in my brain. Steel>polymer +--- 57909146 +>>57864914 +Look into the Marlin 795. Its the Marlin model 60 but with box magazines instead of a tube. Also it actually uses box magazines instead of a rotary magazine like a Ruger 10/22. + +ProMag makes 25 round mags for the Marlin 795 that actually work too. Never buy the transparent 25 round mags if you find them, the rolled up leaf spring in them is junk. +--- 57910452 +>20 rounds of .17 WSM +lads, i am in love +--- 57911564 +OP here, I'm in the market for another .22. I know I've got the higgins that I can use, but I'd feel better about dumping thousands of rounds through a gun that isn't basically an heirloom, you know? Plus it's honestly a bit of a pain to get back together after I clean it. My budget is $600 but I'm not opposed to potentially spending more. My biggest concerns are reliability, accuracy, and ease of dissasembly/assembly. I'm most familiar with semi-autos but any platform will do +--- 57911656 +>>57906270 +He has already has a 10/22, it's the one .22 he doesn't wanna give away +If you have the impression that either of those are new or that he paid for them, you're mistaken +--- 57911952 +>>57911564 +I'm aware I just posted this, but I was looking around and I found this beauty. Definitely getting it if I can, I've never bought a gun online though so that'll be interesting +--- 57913189 +>>57908134 +I'll tell you in ~250 days. The pending/waiting period sucks; I just want to squirrel hunt without having these stupid fucking electronic muffs on. It'd be even better to have it by this summer; they're hell to wear in the coming heat. +--- 57913259 +>>57906174 +Fucking move. Stop paying taxes to people who hate you. +--- 57913264 +>>57908513 +They sell rubber buffers for 10/22s now. I have a Volquartsen one in my 10/22 which is pure plastic-y rubber. Might just be straight TPU or something. No metal center support pin it or anything. Still loud but less so. Wonder if anyone's done a sound comparison between the different buffer brands. + +>>57908845 +>I'm seeing lots of people with NFA wait times of 30 days recently though so i have hope. +Yeah I saw 100 day waits in my state on this site. The overall is trending from 270 days down to 230 in recent days/weeks but hover over random states and you see ~100 days. I'm skeptical but hopeful as it'd be nice to be able to hunt and actually listen for animals like I'm used to. The electronic earmuffs are great but not perfect and often pick up things way in the distance but someone jogging towards you on gravel might not be picked up until they're 30 feet out for example (eg. while using public hunting land which isn't just for hunters). +https://www.atfapproval.com/interactive-dashboard +--- 57913269 +>>57907673 +Oh my god I want it so bad. I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it I need it +--- 57913314 +>>57908961 +I like my 10/22 for hunting. Have taken squirrels and groundhogs. Throw a Weaver 430T on top, use a Wheeler FAT to torque it right, and throw on any optic you want. I'm biased towards Leupold's poorfag rimfire stuff around $300. That took a rough fall (gun fell over in storage straight onto wood scope first) and didn't lose zero. I trust it a lot. Or throw a red dot on there. Or even just keep it irons only. Volquartsen parts are also cheap if you stick to the hammer kit, the extractor, auto bolt release, etc. Small luxuries. +--- 57913329 +>>57910452 +Holy fuck, what is that? +Also I am a huge shill for .17hmr but all I've heard about the .17wsm is that it has some kind of accuracy issue inherent to the cartridge. No one I know has figured out WHY but every time someone tried a comparison between pretty much identical rifles, but one in .17hmr and one in .17wsm, the former one always was crazy accurate and the latter always had strange shots that were all over the place. +>>57911564 +Well what are you looking for. A Ruger American Rimfire in .22lr is flawless. The Savage Mark II is also very good. +--- 57913350 +>>57913189 +>I just want to squirrel hunt without having these stupid fucking electronic muffs on +.22lr from a rifle barrel is already only 140 dB at the muzzle, drops off further at the ear, and is even lower with subsonic ammo. Unless you're doing some high volume hunting, you'd still be within the OSHA daily limit for noise exposure. +--- 57913378 +>>57913350 +WHAT? WHAT ABOUT THE OCEAN? +--- 57913386 +>>57913378 +landlocked country in Southeast Asia +--- 57913399 +>>57913350 +Eh, just the thought of it. I don't like EEEEE-ing myself if I have to take a second shot or I get two at a time or a few in a day. I'd like to limit my EEEEE as much as possible as there's nothing more frustrating than talking to some older guy who "WHAT"s you every 5 seconds because he shot or worked in an iron foundry or whatever and never wore ear pro. I don't want to be that guy. I like my hearing. And I want to hear shit like distant foxes making funny noises at night and CRTs EEEE-ing for many years to come. And there's nothing better than sneaking up on a squirrel eating a nut from 50+ yards out when you just catch a tiny noise. +--- 57913428 +I want to thread my extremely rare free pistol. Someone stop me. +--- 57913913 +>>57913399 +OSHA allows for up to 28 seconds of exposure at 140 dB per day. I wouldn't shoot at the range without earpro, but a few shots here and there for hunting isn't going to fuck you. +--- 57913968 +>>57913329 +>Holy fuck, what is that? +https://franklinarmory.com/f17-l/ +here have the link +--- 57914125 +>>57913314 +alternatively you can just get rings that mount directly to the receiver. feels a little nicer on a stock without a cheek riser imo +--- 57914183 +>>57863664 +I think the CZ bolts are really good looking guns, looking to get a 457 for my next purchase, or shell out for a 527. +--- 57914189 +>>57914125 +I was looking for those as well but between trying to find the right size, a good brand, the right height, etc. I said fuck it. Any recommendations that aren't off-brand and are for a 10/22? +--- 57914401 +>>57888595>>57888799 + +its a hunting rifle made commercially for the civilian hunting market, not a military ww2 soldiers weapon. unfortunately they are fairly common and not worth a ton, people still love them for hunting today but its definitely more of a niche consumer. winchester collectors genrally dont really care about them due to the common chambering and the tactical new gun crowd dont really care for them because they see it as grandpas gun that has no way of installing modern scopes and sights or lights. the niche consumer for them are going to be collectors of old rifles in general or actual hunters or ranchers who like the cowboy look. they are worth between $400 and $1,000 depending on condition and year of manufacture and variation. if the buttplate is made of steel it is a pre 1964 model and more "collectible" then ones made more recently. it would be worth maybe $600-$1,000 dpending on condition. if the butt is plastic its made after 1964 and worth about $400-$600 +--- 57914422 +>>57895186 +yes lots. most competition style rifles are single loading bolt actions. plenty of models have been made through the years for beginners and children that are single shot bolt actions. +--- 57914427 +>>57906125 +hawaii. its literally the most cucked state for guns in america besides new england. cali is actually not even on the top 10 states of cucked gun laws +--- 57914441 +>>57906174 +based commies. how soon until they classify 'online posts about election legitimacy" or MAGA car sticker as violent extremism in your WA state dossier to preclude you from ownership? speaking of HIPAA access, oy vey, you didnt take the latest covid booster? DENIED. +--- 57914487 +>>57914427 +pretty state shame its full of cucks diff --git a/k/57867317.txt b/k/57867317.txt index 66f0f55439dab23d2985a386a98590e75c4dce9b..cddfa38924b0d5ec42eaa404abbbd8a38f3fbd05 100644 --- a/k/57867317.txt +++ b/k/57867317.txt @@ -513,3 +513,149 @@ he was an officier innit --- 57902645 >>57881896 She bears him a son and a daughter. The son eventually ends up fighting with the Confederacy. +--- 57904018 +>>57902055 +Sharpe would probably just clock him out of tard rage and because he doesn't take shit from faggot nobles. +--- 57904166 +>>57867317 (OP) +What makes a good /k/ poster, then? +--- 57904238 +>>57904166 +>the ability to fuck three deer a minute in any weather, sir. +--- 57904253 +>>57873037 +Just like Flasman! something something book protagonist + +I'd think cad rapist Flashman would be more to 4chan's taste, but perhaps he's not racist enough (He'll bed any colour of female) +--- 57904278 +>>57904253 +several mentions of flashman I see right after posting, oh well, teach me to ctrl-f +--- 57904290 +>>57887124 +I really love to hate Simmerson +--- 57904849 +>>57904238 +>deer +how does ones gets into thats sorta things +--- 57905080 +>>57871178 +Had some big names as well, Mark Strong, Pete Postlethwaite, Daniel Craig, Brian Cox, James Purefoy, Paul Bettany, Liz Hurley disrobing in one of the episodes (Sharpes Enemy) +--- 57905226 +>>57904849 +> +you just do +--- 57905254 +>>57887124 +Obadiahs gettin nowt +--- 57905488 +>>57867413 +Don't be a fag anon. If you actually read the books, most of his fights he either wins through tricks, dirty fighting or pure aggression. He got the cavalry saber after his first CO when he was a fresh LT died and gave it to him, and he keeps it because it suits his capabilities. + +Any time he actually runs into a skilled duelist he's usually fucked and finds some way to get out of it. +--- 57905723 +>>57867745 +Kek +--- 57905760 +>>57871112 +Here’s mine, it has a slightly longer blade at 27” and has the earlier AN IX pattern hilt instead of the AN XI that you showed. +--- 57906150 +>>57898691 +>>nigger actors +NOOOO NOT THE COLOREDS +--- 57906171 +>>57905760 +Neat. Where can I get one? +--- 57906184 +>>57906150 +I hate to break it to you anon but 19th century Europe was not a multicultural paradise. + +I want to see a remake of ZULU with half the tribesman played by whites and Asians +--- 57906261 +>>57906184 +>I want to see a remake of ZULU with half the tribesman played by whites and Asians +We all do. +--- 57906265 +>>57906150 +This but unironically. +--- 57906287 +>>57906261 +>this summer, idris elba is lt john shard. Also starring ryan reynolds as cetshwayo +--- 57906317 +>>57906287 +>Zoe Saldana as Major Bromhead +--- 57906856 +>>57904018 +sharpe doesn’t have issues with competent officers or nobles, and hornblower is hyper competent +he also isn’t a noble + +>>57905488 +sharpe gets by by being an angry gutter born dirty fighting son of a bitch +that’s not a slight on him, it’s just how he gets things done in a setting where the upper classes look down on such things +--- 57906955 +>>57906856 +>he also isn’t a noble +Hornblower came from a working class family but he marries Wellington's sister +--- 57907004 +>>57906955 +that’s way at the end of his career though +--- 57907678 +>>57906150 +Yes. +--- 57908012 +>>57906955 +I need to read the books because at the end of the show he was stuck with that awful hag and her mother +--- 57908078 +>>57908012 +Lol Hornblower fucks his away across Europe (and nearly the West Indies), I don't know what C.S. Forester was thinking, Lady Barbara is a dreamboat, there's no reason why Hornblower would be unfaithful. Maybe he though it would spice up the story, even though there are no sex scenes, it is all PG fade to black. + +>I need to read the books +By all means do, other than the sailing bits a twelve year old could read them easily. And they go down like Pringles. +--- 57908291 +>>57908012 +maria is just an unfortunate pitiable character +she's even more piteous in the book +i'm really sad they never filmed the rest of the books though, everybody was perfectly cast +--- 57908758 +>>57872646 +The M16 with the M203. He just switches from HE to M576 for close engagements. +--- 57908806 +>>57908291 +for me it was Styles and Mr. Bush +--- 57908815 +>>57908078 +You what? I dont remember any of that, he had a wife and kid at home but they died. +--- 57909437 +>>57908806 +styles and matthews are great but unfortunately they don't have much of a presence in the books +--- 57910262 +>>57872935 +>in his tard rage and gutter fighting +There really is something so primal about hitting people in the nuts while fighting. +--- 57913175 +>>57906184 +Irish you say?! + +Black as bog those devilish Irishmen! BLACK! AS! BOG! NO TRICKS IRISHMAN! I WILL NOT HAVE IT! +--- 57913206 +>>57867317 (OP) +>rifleman +>bayonet +Anon... +--- 57913513 +>>57867410 +Good content +--- 57913854 +>>57872646 +South west (Essex) is rifles territory + +They amalgamated loads of regiment's that wore green into 'the rifles' tragic loss of regimental pride and history really. +--- 57913957 +>>57913854 +Their system is fucking retarded anyway. +--- 57914259 +>>57913206 +the baker takes bayonets +--- 57914500 +>>57913854 +it's tragic but pretty much every option is going to make people unhappy +unless you reduce regiments to individual platoons but that's gotta mess with efficiency diff --git a/k/57868019.txt b/k/57868019.txt index c236984858e8391ca39854b92e3f1a16f315f7d4..89c6967f119c70f090d0439b54da7534511475a7 100644 --- a/k/57868019.txt +++ b/k/57868019.txt @@ -703,3 +703,229 @@ Dump pouches are very useful. Not only are they a happy medium between losing al --- 57903341 >>57903267 I wish Danner didn't put Goretex in EVERYTHING +--- 57903876 +>>57901782 +Get a $10 condor dump pouch. I've been using the same one for over 10 years. It's just a bag +--- 57903921 +>>57903267 +For mil or long hike use I'd drop goretex. For day trips it can be nice. But its generally not needed and ruins any chance if effective drying +--- 57904345 +>>57903334 +>they also allow you to grab things like intel, spare mags and other goodies on the objective very quickly +>intel +kill yourself you pathetic video game playing manchild + +post a picture of yourself standing next to at least 5 people you killed in combat with the 'intel' you gathered +--- 57904565 +>>57902785 +k tomás +--- 57904767 +>>57901782 +Cordura, holds shape mo bedda +--- 57904778 +>>57903334 +Dipshit, hes not saying theyre not good hes saying some are better than others. +>>57903876 +Be better. Maxpedition. +--- 57904798 +>>57901782 +2 instances. Rookie numbers. If you were in at least 1 proper social media group youd see so many theyd start to blend. The very very common ones are the magnetic charger burning car cigarette lighter looking holes through guys jean pockets and their cars seats. Join some snobbish group where suit talking and shaming is encouraged. If you join a circlejerk hugbox then you wont see anything worthwile or noteworthy. +--- 57904894 +>>57868019 (OP) +Is there finally in 2023 some Rhodesian brushstroke stuff available (bdus, shirts, chest rigs, anything) or is it still the same situation as 10 years ago where it's either unobtainium or overpriced? + +I find it crazy that some manufacturers picked up obscure camos just because they know it's popular (based Helikon-Tex related), but Rhodesian brushstroke remains a rarity. +--- 57905314 +Should I use rit dye to turn my multicam gear into multicam tropic or buy all new gear? + +Saw this pic on the local news recently and these guys are using multicam tropic +--- 57905466 +Vans as kit y/n? Shoothouse / dynamic drills kinda stuff. +--- 57905483 +>>57904894 +Helikon Tex is making brushstroke now, dude. +--- 57905494 +>>57902032 +its shit and your ifak is upside down +--- 57905543 +>>57905483 +>pants and shorts + +That's a start. +--- 57905679 +>>57902032 +Those double molle belts are annoying and it's probably better just to get a normal belt and attach pouches with velcro one-wrap or malice. Those medical pouches are designed to dump down whenever you pull the cable also so you don't have to contort reaching around to fish stuff out. If you keep it the way it is make sure it's not locked into the actual molle slots so you can slide it around on the belt. +>>57905494 +Nigger +--- 57906378 +>>57905483 +Too bad their shorts are absolute dogshit, the worst I've ever owned. +--- 57906402 +>>57905466 +Cringe. Retarded. Larpy. If you’re going to be using skate shoes (SUSPECT), there are dozens of better choices than sk8-his +--- 57906424 +>>57906402 +I saw Slade wearing them and got them. Yes im a faggot larper. They look nice with Cryes tho. +--- 57906650 +>>57904565 +not even close +--- 57906858 +>>57905314 +regular multicam is more versatile since there's more brown. Even in some of the pics from the scene, the tropic isn't blending as well as the regular multcam. But if you do dye it, post results. +--- 57907033 +>>57868062 +What did Agilite do? +--- 57907204 +>>57906858 +fella with nods checking the sun to see if it's dark out yet +--- 57907353 +>>57906858 +>>57907204 +>Whatcha lookin' at, Steve? +>Just checking to see if it's going to get dark. +>What? It's 2 in the afternoon. +>Yeah, but it might suddenly get cloudy or something. The forecast said "partly cloudy." +>I don't understand what you're getting at, Steve. +>It might become dark and we'll need to use our NODs to maintain situational awareness. +>What? We're just taking the dog for a walk so he can take a shit. Get a grip, dude. +>You'll be sorry if it gets dark suddenly, bro. +--- 57907944 +>>57904798 +Yeah bad batteries are bad regardless of the tube they're held in +--- 57908319 +>>57904345 +It's a standard part of actions on objective, you would know that if you were ever an infantryman. +--- 57908574 +>>57906378 +How can you fuck up shorts? What's wrong with them? +--- 57908617 +>>57906424 +>Slade +--- 57908628 +>>57906424 +lmao Slade. Jesus dude get outside some. +--- 57908837 +>>57908617 +>>57908628 +hes aite. guy is comfymaxxing his gear. +--- 57909142 +>>57907033 +Made in Vietnam from Chinese materials at >$300/carrier, which is absurd. +Shitty design, for lots of reasons. +Astroturfing + six gorillion fake reviews. +There's more, but you can start there. +--- 57909237 +>>57908837 +He's a retard and if you actually listen to anything he says over someone like Brent0331, you're also a retard. That CQB video when he's literally sliding around is just laughably bad. +--- 57909277 +>>57907944 +No dipshit, the rechargeable magnet charging gimmicky chump bait that idiots that look like >>57908617 buy +Do not fucking have removable batteries do you understand? +--- 57909280 +>>57909237 +To add to this, GWOT Era ex mil guys are trained and performed in a different battlefield than what the common person would be experiencing. They assume they will have infinite resources, air support, air superiority, squad mates backing them up, etc. etc... Whereas someone like>>57909237 +>Brent0331 +Is much more useful to listen to since he is teaching actual survival/evasion skills. +--- 57909346 +>>57901782 +I don't recommend Olight but the "exploding Olight" thing is just what happens when you use two (outdated, volatile) CR123 batteries with a voltage mismatch. It's documented fact that was the cause of the "exploded in mouth" case. The solution is not to ditch Olight; the solution is to stop using sucky batteries that only got a stranglehold on tactical gear because they were the only things that gave enough power *decades* ago. + +All the lights in a two-CR123 form factor worth getting today also take 18650s. Single CR123 less available 16340/18350 replacements but they're much less likely to catastrophically fail than two cells in series. +--- 57909351 +>>57909277 +They sell lights with replaceable batteries. +--- 57909355 +>>57905679 +You're a fucking lazy stupid idiot who never thought to google, "how to attach, whatever man. Recommend lazy cheap shit and these threads will stay full of stupid answers and cheap shit. +--- 57909446 +>>57909237 +>devgru operator +vs +>some grunt with one deployment that runs a militia program for fat americans +i know what you're trying to say but you're fucking retarded, dude. +--- 57909803 +>>57909446 +Brent has multiple deployments as an infantryman. It's your loss. If you want to think sliding around with skate shoes is a real CQB technique, then go ahead. +--- 57910056 +>>57868019 (OP) +I have an old pair of waterproof hunting coveralls from the 1980s that haven't failed me, how stupid of an idea would it be to sew in knee pads and add a couple extra pockets for deltoid storage/wiring/patch/etc like a ghetto raid mod? I really don't want to replace what I have since they work so well. +--- 57910132 +Have you retards considered that guys like Brent and guys like Slade might both have some valuable info? Take from them what's useful to you and disregard anything that's not. + +>>57909346 +I know what you're saying, but I still don't see any reason to buy Olight over Streamlight when it comes to budget lights. Olight's handhelds are poorly designed and their weapon lights are straight up garbage. +--- 57910189 +>>57890952 +Hooks are nice, sit very flat. I have them on my DM PC. Recently started using GTSR buckles cus I got a Spiritus MKV. + +Not really an appreciable difference besides the fact that buckles are quicker to swap out if you're into that thing. The hooks seem like they would be the better option if you are keeping it permanent. + +I however will often take my placard off and run it as a chest rig because I dont have a standalone chest rig. +--- 57910695 +Anyone have any pant recommendations? +--- 57911054 +>>57910695 +yeah, ideally ones made of fabric and that fit you +--- 57911093 +>>57906858 +They look like paramilitary and not even police in that camo and the mag carriers with ARs on slings. +--- 57911563 +>>57910695 +Used fjallraven pants off eBay or a used clothes site. +--- 57911704 +>>57877111 +>radio +What's the next step up from uv-5r? +--- 57911740 +>>57911704 +A yaesu VX-7R on analog or a used Motorola XTS 5000 if you wanna go digital and use encryption. +--- 57911741 +>>57911704 +AR-15210W +--- 57912685 +>>57911740 +VX-6R* + +>>57911741 +That's not a step up, that's the same radio with a big ass battery. +--- 57912754 +>>57912685 +It’s quite literally a step up in every way, hardware-wise +--- 57912944 +>>57912754 +No, it's a UV-5R in a big green plastic case with a big ass battery. It's still a 128 channel, slow as fuck to scan, deaf to anything but repeaters piece of shit. It still uses the same RDA1846S chip as the UV-5R. It will die if you drop it in a puddle because it has zero water protection. +--- 57913183 +the nice thing about baofengs is that they frequency unlocked out of the box. you can mod a lot of other radios for extended coverage but ymmv. if you want to flex you need a mbitr +--- 57913522 +>>57913183 +The newer ones are frequency locked now because the FCC slapped the importers on the wrist for selling them unlocked, but you can just google how to do a factory reset and get it unlocked. I've done a MARS mod on a radio before (ICOM IC-V80) and it wasn't difficult. I just had to dig up the how-to information online, disassemble the radio, and knock off one tiny resistor with an exacto knife. I can't speak to other radios but that seems to be the common method to unlock ICOM radios at least, just removing a resistor. +--- 57913543 +>>57913522 +im partial to yaesu myself but ive never tried to mars mod them +--- 57913586 +>>57913543 +I think it's a similar story (remove "this" resistor) with their radios as well, at least the older ones. The newer handhelds can be unlocked with a key combination when doing a factory reset from what I'm seeing. +--- 57913823 +>>57879283 +Anyone know about this? +--- 57913844 +>>57904894 +Nah, its fucking everywhere now. There are bunch of chink BDUs on ebay and platatac did a crye uniform in it a few months back; though including postage from aus their shit costs more than actual crye so I guess that would count as overpriced. Plus there's helikon like you say and a number of small manufacturers like parashooter gear and that pajeet vajina concepts brand who do limited runs of gear in it to order. Brushstroke is never going to be in the position of for example M81, where its something many major gear companies often offer as standard because of its popularity; but it is 100% already in the position that desert night camo was ~5 years ago as a suddenly oversaturated meme camo. +--- 57914051 +>>57908319 +>intel +>intel +It's called "int" not "intel" and the process is called "site sensitive exploitation" you colossal neverserved. Never reply to one of my posts again. +--- 57914075 +>>57910056 +If you’ve been out in them for multiple days in a row with no issues, then fuck yeah, do it. I’m considering the Walls Coveralls mod myself. Post results +--- 57914491 +Does anyone know where I can find something similar to the Skin Tag by Lunar Concepts? + +Also, my girlfriend owns a cricket so I wanted to see if anyone knows where to find the files for something similar to RangerWrap products. +--- 57915074 +>>57910132 +>Have you retards considered that guys like Brent and guys like Slade might both have some valuable info? +of course they havent. if you play dressup in a way which makes you look like a modern devgru guy (except the physical body shape, of course) then you're team Slade. if you're broke and buy vietnam era shit off of eBay, then you're team brent. +Duh.. +also lmao @ retards comparing a 10 year DEVGRU guy to a fucking marine 0331 that you come across in every Walmart. diff --git a/k/57871837.txt b/k/57871837.txt index 94b1073e63134854c9ab9aa967f4dd7d714aebd8..b350196d49ae6622a34fc8b836b642520493dbd1 100644 --- a/k/57871837.txt +++ b/k/57871837.txt @@ -572,3 +572,347 @@ Bumping because I hate black people --- 57903555 >>57903534 lmao +--- 57903725 +>>57902067 +Whats with europeans still obsessing over bayonets on rifles? +--- 57903790 +>>57901906 +You could gouge thier eyes out with that overly aggressive brake ...or (crazy idea, I know) just shoot them. +--- 57903795 +>>57903725 +Napoleon Syndrome (size issues). +--- 57903878 +>>57903725 +Bayonets are cool +--- 57903937 +>>57903725 +Bayonets look sex and also knives are a popular weapon of choice here, your average conscript is much more likely to know how to shank somebody than shoot a gun :^) +--- 57904103 +>>57903112 +>What's the most reliable AR-10 you can get? +LMT or KAC. +>Are LMT or KAC worth it? +Yes. + +I got great feedback from both, and myself shot LMTs quite a lot. Two friends own a 300BLK PDW and a 13" .308, aside from replacing stocks they didn't change any single part, and they run wonderfully well with any ammo and suppressor at any time of the year. It's been a few years now, not a single issue to report. Neither make use of the quick barrel change, which is a big selling point to many, but they were both more interested in the ambi lower, which is indeed really nice. +--- 57904159 +>>57903725 +Knives are cool. +Guns are cool. +Gunknife = ??? +I'm just too dumb to figure it out. +--- 57904190 +>>57873457 +>The resident SIG shill graces us with his presence. +He that's me! Nah, I haven't posted since sunday, been to busy trying to have a normal life, or the fake trappings of one. Good to know I live rent free in your head. +--- 57904243 +>>57904159 +You can do it. +--- 57905215 +>>57903725 +>Whats with europeans still obsessing over bayonets on rifles? +They're not allowed to evolve into modern firearms so have to still mix in knives. +--- 57905387 +>>57877765 +MW2 is what made me want a FAL lmao +--- 57905724 +>>57903725 +Anon I.. +--- 57905884 +Built a poor man's G3SG knock-off to deal with 30-50 feral hogs. The piggers are fucking everywhere around where I live, and it's only a matter of time before they start going door-to-door murdering/eating the townsfolk. Wish me luck bros. +--- 57905971 +I'm torn on deciding on an optic for my sfar boys. Part of me says to go acog+dot to keep it light but I also think maxing out at 4x might not allow me to get the most out of the big boy round. What do you lads think? +--- 57906013 +>>57873457 +>dat wood +>dat p7 +Oh fuckin rock me amadeus. +--- 57906473 +>>57905884 +Godspeed. +--- 57906632 +>>57898919 +a red dot, and nothing else +--- 57906647 +>>57905884 +>Built a poor man's G3SG knock-off to deal with 30-50 feral hogs. +We call that a PoorSG-1 round these parts +--- 57906652 +>>57905884 +He knows what's coming +--- 57906663 +>>57904243 +That’s a stupid design, you have to sheath your knife to reload your gun. +--- 57906677 +>>57906632 +What about a red dot as a backup optic mounted above or on a 45• angle with a scope which is what I’m gonna do? +--- 57906687 +>>57906677 +Why? Can’t get to the gym enough? +--- 57906821 +>>57906677 +Only if the scope is a fixed 8x or 10x or greater. Chances are you won't have to use the rifle outside of scope distance but within red dot distances for piggers. Anything up to 6x can comfortably be used out to 100 yards, 3x can be comfortably used almost down to hallway distances. I would unironically recommend a LPVO (which I never do), a 3-9x would be perfect for that application. What distances are you planning on shooting from? Have you ever practiced point shooting with no optic at all? +--- 57906836 +>>57906687 +>he thinks an AR-10 is heavy +--- 57906845 +>>57906647 +>>57905884 +Wrong picture, wrong furniture +--- 57906887 +>>57905971 +What ranges are you typically shooting at? If it's within 250yds, a 4x is plenty. Higher magnification at distances beyond that is only partially to help you shoot the target accurately, it's also for target identification, estimating range, and seeing hits and misses. If you're within 250, you can probably do all that with a 4x with no problem. +--- 57906902 +>>57906836 +My PTR weighs more than that no optic or rails. +--- 57906912 +>>57906902 +I'm drowning in proof +--- 57906982 +>>57906902 +how +--- 57907015 +>>57906887 +That's a good point anon, I live innacity and I think the closest outdoor range has a max distance of 300 yds. I mostly bought the sfar to replace my ar because I wanted to sling a bigger bullet so honestly most of my what-if scenarios are probably 200 yds and in +--- 57907070 +>>57906982 +Teutonic weight is how. Germans and the things they design are incredibly dense. +--- 57907254 +>>57907070 +We are dense, expect dense products +--- 57907337 +>>57871837 (OP) +--- 57908169 +>>57907015 +>200 yards and in +A 4x will give you more than enough magnification for that, I say go for it. I shoot my 3x from 50 out to 200 yards with no issue +--- 57908254 +>>57906687 +Did you reply to the wrong post or misunderstand mine? Because I’m saying that red dots only are dumb and don’t utilize the power of 7.62x51 NATO. A MPVO+dot would be heavier than just a dot. In fact the scope I’m eying is gonna be 1lb. +>>57906821 +>fixed +Look I like ACOGs but cmon. +> What distances are you planning on shooting from? +Anywhere between 6-600 yards or beyond. +> Have you ever practiced point shooting with no optic at all? +I don’t like iron sights. +--- 57908489 +>>57901628 +>That FN-FAL +My love, where have you been my whole life? +--- 57908552 +>>57908254 +>how would /brg/ set up this rifle +>but not like that +This is your brain on (You) +--- 57908614 +>>57908552 +NTA but the set up question was mine. Just got a Sig 716i and on the fence. +--- 57908652 +>>57908614 +>false flag +My bad +--- 57908669 +>>57898919 +Flash light, LPVO, sling. Maybe a red dot or back up irons if you live in the city or plan to use it for home defense. It's not a precision rifle so a bipod won't do you much good. Can't use night vision without a red dot. Can't use night vision with out a lazer system of some kind. Simple is best. If you were going to use it with Night Vision, I wouldn't bother with a laser system, just an EoTech and magnifier. +--- 57908709 +>>57908614 +Start simple, then go with your needs over time. A Geiessle trigger, or even a LaRue MDT trigger. Ambi charging handle. A sling. Cheap but worth while upgrades. +--- 57908756 +>>57908652 +All good fren. +>>57908669 +Solid advice. Bigly agree. +>>57908709 +Got a Geissele set aside already. Can I get a sling rec? I’m used to AK surplus slings and the Vickers AK sling. Charging handle I’ll just get the Sig ambi. +--- 57908799 +>>57908756 +>Can I get a sling rec? +All the top ones work, but I do recommend getting the QD ones, even if they are a bit more expensive. You can buy QD cups and a regular sling, but the regular slings have a lot of extra slack that hangs loose. +--- 57908846 +>>57908756 +>Can I get a sling rec? +--- 57909019 +>>57908552 +If you’re gonna spend a dollar a round why not utilize its long range capability instead of just shooting at 1X? I only have a red dot on my rifle but that’s because I’m saving up for a scope. + +>>57908756 +I’m running a Vickers padded sling with magpul QD mounts +--- 57909056 +>>57875547 +What are those 2 black things on either side of the rail? +--- 57909666 +wut dis +--- 57909684 +>>57909056 +Grip +>>57909666 +Thing that keeps the rail locked into the barrel nut. +Figures you get those numbers considering sig sewer is run by a jew. +--- 57909689 +>>57833994 → +Here she is, boys. +--- 57909746 +>>57909689 +-A better not-aero barrel with the bare minimum length of sixteen inches like Faxon, Noveske or Criterion +-something 2-10 or above magnification +--- 57909960 +>>57909746 +>bare minimum length of sixteen inches +Nyet, 12.5 was the whole point of this shitty build. +>2-10 or above +Working on it. Acog is just on there in the meantime. +--- 57909976 +>>57908169 +Thanks anon! +>3x +Nice, which one did you get? +--- 57910030 +How important is bolt gap in HK/Cetme rifles? I built one and gapped it at .015 and didn't take into account the settle in from my poor building skills and the gap shrank to .006. still functions well and ejects nicely but I'm a little worried. +--- 57910035 +>>57910030 +Bolt gap is a matter of life and death. +--- 57910062 +>>57910035 +How much is required? I've seen wildly varying amounts from .004 to .025 being within spec and others say .012 to .018 so I'm either barely within spec or wildly outside of it. +--- 57910137 +>>57909056 +>What are those 2 black things on either side of the rail? +Side foregrips. Originally got them because this was kind of a silly build where I wanted to try lots of different stuff with a different gun. Found they're actually surprisingly decent, work better paired somewhat elastic sling, so have opted to keep it and toss an an extraneous wml underneath. yt if you want to see it in use a little better: +>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnD4KumkQ8o [Embed] [Embed] +And then my ocd autism compelled me to stick on one the other side for symmetry and when I want to use it offhand. + +It's weird and isn't perfect but it's been a fun change. Somewhat different muscle use. Worse/harder bag selection is a downside, and with side rail bit have to double check the attachment nut is good and not crossthread it. +--- 57910138 +>>57904103 +Thanks for the reply anon, I'll probably pick up an lmt and an sr25 upper later if it tickles my fancy +--- 57910169 +>>57909960 +>muzzle and gas block covered by the handguard +You should sell your barrel for something better or at least 14.5 +--- 57910182 +>>57909689 +Yeah, that's a meme build alright. The Acog is wasted on that build but don't let your meme's be dreams. +--- 57910196 +>>57909689 +mildly disappointed you didn't go for the hpvo lol. good for you tho anon. +--- 57910803 +>>57910169 +I at least have to try it out first, then maybe I'll consider taking this build more seriously. +>>57910196 +I do want to get an hpvo eventually, acog is just there because I already had it. +--- 57910912 +>>57910803 +Short barreled ARs are a meme which I regret getting. Sure 12.5 308 will have better velocity than 12.5 556 obviously but you should go with a long barrel. +There’s a guy in /bst/ who wants to sell his credo 2-10 which is good and I haven’t bought it because I dont have the loose change. +--- 57910982 +>>57910912 +I have an austistic obsession with SBRs, I love my MK18 and mini draco. I also love 30 cal so I wanted to combine them despite the obvious drawbacks. I do see myself replacing the barrel in the future, but it won't be too much longer. Maybe something like the 13.5" bull barrel the one other anon mentioned before. I like 14.5" too tho, so that might be my final decision. Just fucking around and finding out for now. +>credo 2-10 in /bst/ +Thanks for the heads up, might jump on that. +--- 57911580 +>>57910912 +>Short barreled ARs are a meme which I regret getting +if 8.6 got popular and keltec or someone did a 12" bullpup in it would be a little interested depending on how it performed. or if dt ever fixed the mdr so it could do 300bo micron. kinda agree with you tho sbr in ar form feels like you sacrifice a lot but dont even get something hyper compact like the p90 or whatever are. +--- 57911722 +>>57911580 +>if 8.6 got popular +--- 57911811 +>>57911580 +>if 8.6 got popular +I was so upset I rushed to fun post without explaining my self. No, we don't need more meme cartridges tagged with high prices paired with minor performance gains over what's currently out there. If you want a .30cal easy to suppress firearm, get an AK. In fact, we need less cartridge variety, more of the good stuff and reduced prices. Didn't you learn anything from the Kungflu? + +When SHTF every fudd, normie and slowpoke rushed out and bought anything common until they're broke. Bullet companies stopped making cartridges that didn't sell and focused on what people wanted. The weird cartridges no one shoots like .45long colt and .220swift were left behind. I myself only keep 1,000rounds in reserve should something happen, but if something DID happen, I would still rush out and buy 8,000rounds AsAp. Others have the same mind set. When it comes to firearms, common is good, abundance is good. You don't want to be a special snowflake. +--- 57911909 +>>57911722 +>>57911811 +>tagged with high prices +Anon the point would be that if it got popular it wouldn't be high priced right? If not no one will care. I don't think that anon or anyone else plan to be early adopters. It's like 300bo, the point of it is economics, not that it's the best. Like, everyone said "DURR 300MEMEOUT". But 300 achieved critical mass, it suppresses well, achieves complete burn in <10", and you can buy it starting at like 52cpr now. So I'd consider it. +>Didn't you learn anything from the Kungflu? +Anon, I own exactly 3 (non curios) cartridges right now: 22lr, 9mm, and 308. That's it. I have plenty stocked. You can accuse me of a lot but not being unconservative with my ammo. Adding a single 4th fun one to this mix is not something I think you can reasonably claim would be a problem here. 300bo would be the natural choice if there was a gun I wanted in it, just because it'd work with my existing 30cal cans (and I can't confuse it for 5.56 since I have none). But if in another 5-8 years 8.6bo ended up getting down below 150cpr I don't see why it'd be wrong to consider it and I genuinely don't understand why it triggers people so hard, nor 300. Yeah technically 308 has subsonic options but they need twists to stabilize that I don't have and are truly crazy priced. +--- 57911966 +>>57911909 +>Adding a single 4th fun one to this mix is not something I think you can reasonably claim would be a problem here. +When or if you decide to take that leap, do it with 10mm, 762x39, .357mag, .44mag not with 8.6meme. Stick to what works and is plentiful. Also, no 5.56? Are you even AMERICAN? +--- 57912040 +>>57909960 +>Acog is just on there in the memetime. +--- 57912064 +>>57912040 +Kek +--- 57912077 +>>57906912 +>he stole my scale +Watching you now. Be careful because I have a 0.0 3d printed titanium AR10 grip. +--- 57912092 +>>57906663 +>everybody's a critic +--- 57912116 +>>57911966 +>When or if you decide to take that leap, do it with 10mm, 762x39, .357mag, .44mag not with 8.6meme. Stick to what works and is plentiful. +But I already have what works and is plentiful. I'm not interested in any of those, none of them do anything different. I'd rather add something new if I'm adding anything at all. And again, you could have said the same thing about 300bo 10 years ago too. But now it works and is plentiful right? +>Also, no 5.56? Are you even AMERICAN? +.308 was American first by decades! I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR! +--- 57912128 +>>57912116 +>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR! +--- 57912137 +>>57912116 +>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR! +--- 57912268 +>>57911966 +>Stick to what works and is plentiful +All but two of my pistols use completely different rounds from each other and half are turd shelf or online purchase only +--- 57912309 +>>57912116 +>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR! +--- 57912445 +>>57912268 +--- 57912509 +>>57912116 +>I don't need 5.56 when I've got a BR! +Truly a patrician's choice +--- 57912723 +>>57901989 +Holy shit, small world. I'm 99% sure I met the guy who invented that as Tower City is close to me. Had the chance to buy one from him but never did. Or maybe that was a bayonet to light adapter, I forget. +--- 57912743 +>>57905387 +Yeah I gotta just get one already. Completely forgot how much I loved the FAL in that game. +--- 57912752 +>>57912723 +Cool, my dad works at Tower Records. +--- 57912763 +>>57905884 +How much did that B&T adapter cost? Is it good or shit? + +>>57906647 +Who's that stock/cheek riser from and how much was it? +--- 57912827 +>>57908756 +>Can I get a sling rec? +Seconding Magpul. If you have those fancy QD sockets, go with this one. It is cheaper at Cabelas and probably less at other places. I use it on a B-TM 10/22 for hunting. It killed me to pay $60 for it but fuck is it good. The quick adjust for length is really nice when hunting. I barely have any Magpul shit and I'm not a massive fan of theirs but I really like that sling. https://magpul.com/ms4-qdm-sling.html?mp_global_color=118 +--- 57912846 +>>57901906 +>he doesnt stomp his enemies to death with his rifles intergrated ugg boot +ngmi sempai +--- 57912858 +>>57912752 +>nothing interesting ever happens +--- 57913119 +https://files.catbox.moe/piua69.mp4 + +M1A bros... +--- 57913298 +>>57911909 +You ever watch those uke videos where the guy has another guy load his mags? +>Uhhhhh I only have a mix of 300blk, 30 supercarry, some swedish meatballs, and a full can of 6.5 creedmoor, the one gun that shot it is broken... +Luckily you have one excuse: we get to help figure out what will be next after 5.56 and 7.62. Let's not waste any components on obvious meme shit. There is a caliber for every game animal and self defense possibility already out there, why do we need one more unless it is better in every way imaginable? + +Example is +2 rounds per mag is a meme and can be done by extending the mags themselves or reloading. We don't need that shit. Go do most all of the R&D before selling us shit. +>UHuhuh it goes bang it's so cool lets shill this! +Cartridge not needed. Components desperately needed. The fact manufacturers haven't been able to find something to replace 5.56 and 7.62 in so many decades is proof enough that they are a bunch of gay muscles with no brains. +--- 57913426 +>>57913119 +CIA if I ever... +--- 57914774 +fal bump diff --git a/k/57877683.txt b/k/57877683.txt index e2a1947508264dbfbcd3713d6e41665cdd8f3748..8e39d79129fbdd14e8218e997b0e466ff42ba560 100644 --- a/k/57877683.txt +++ b/k/57877683.txt @@ -540,3 +540,98 @@ Amen. Especially among LE agencies. Not gonna get deployed to Ramadi. --- 57903644 >>57897625 Who said I was being ironic? +--- 57903669 +>>57903644 +Who said I was. I would never buy an FDE gun. +--- 57904227 +>>57902007 +Based. +--- 57906798 +>>57887068 +dunno but i absolutely believe gangsters will hear about 5.7 being able to pierce kevlar and then buy the 5.7 ammo that cannot pierce vests +--- 57907179 +When the house is empty, I'll play pretend CT or post-apocalyptic survivor with my home defense guns while they're loaded. I'll point them out of the window at neighbors' windows and stuff, but I think it's okay because I always keep my finger off of the trigger. I'm just too lazy to unload them first and I don't like having to unload and then reload with the same cartridge. +--- 57909759 +Sent a 7.62x39 steel core penetrator sailing through my door and into my wall a few years back. Funny enough noone ever called the cops about it since I live in a ghetto. + +ladies and gentlemen, always triple check your chamber. +--- 57911674 +>>57907179 +>"Hon, the neighbors angrily peaking out of his windows with an AR again, should I finally call the cops?" +--- 57911846 +>>57890553 +Looks like you're doing better than him. +>prioritize capacity above all else +--- 57911853 +I haven't shot any guns since before covid except for one night I shot 3 .410 shells off my back porch while heavily intoxicated. +--- 57912069 +my only firearm is a $200 22lr revolver +--- 57912361 +>>57912069 +Let me guess, it's a heritage? +Still puts you ahead of 80% of /k/ users +--- 57912406 +>>57912361 +yep, my lil plinker +--- 57912420 +>>57912069 +I bought a used Taurus Model 25 Princess for $100, with a fitz-ed trigger guard. You did fine. +--- 57912435 +>>57891072 +Yea but those were like .69 caliber +--- 57912474 +>>57912406 +Nice. My mother owned one, the firing pin was fucked up though so it light striked almost every round +pic rel are my little plinking guns +--- 57912583 +>I don’t own any guns anymore. +>This and /out/ are my main boards + +>used to own guns +>live in Australia +>move out of parents place and start renting +>organised with landlord for gun safe, after fuckton of ums and aahs and reassurance that I will patch holes up afterwards they’re okay with it +>brief current housemates on it. +>one didn’t like that police could just show up whenever to inspect safe. +>one asked where I’d be keeping the keys in case of emergency +> tell them both I’ll pay an extra $20 a week for inconvenience. +>fucking mountain of paperwork to fill in and get approved. +>process sucked. +>didn’t end up shooting for about half a year cause busy, and could never line up pest shooting on any nearby farms with buddy +>room gets broken into twice so someone told one of their junky friends. +>move guns back to parents place. +>years pass +>tell parents to sell guns cause they don’t shoot them either since kids moved out. +--- 57912813 +I've always thought carry handles looked retarded, I don't care if your daddy carried one in 'nam. +--- 57913001 +>>57877930 +When a target is moving, that alone fucks up anyone who relies on this sentiment alone +The reason why mag dumping has become so common is due to the calibers being used (9mm especially). While they will kill someone if 'hit where it counts', more often than not when a hostile is charging/moving your shots are going to strike non-vitals more often than not +Compared with calibers that bring more stopping power, you can trust them to incapacitate a hostile with a single shot even with less than ideal shot placement +--- 57913112 +>>57912583 +Seems to be where the slippery slope leads. Sucks, man. When I was younger I used to wonder why the NRA are basically like "Every man has the right to a cannon and a rocket launcher" but now I fully agree that the battle needs to be fought there. +--- 57913887 +I’m almost 23 and I still don’t know how to zero an optic correctly. Every time I’ve mounted one, it seems to be at an angle. Every time I’ve tried to zero one, I get about 3 inches away from zero, and whatever I try next just fucks it up even more, or the POI doesn’t change. I could rotate windage 180* and the POI won’t change, and then some other time I move it a cunt hair and it moves 5 inches. I’m being completely serious when I say I have no fucking clue how to do it. Seen hundreds of tutorials, even had people try to show me in person, I just can’t get it figured out. Everyone tells me a completely different method that contradicts the previous method I see, and I never know which one is right. It’s such a simple task, but I just can’t do it. From shitty air rifles scopes when I was 14 to red dots on my AR, I just can’t figure it out. It’s humiliating, what am I not getting? Am I cursed to walk this barren earth with unzeroed optics until the end of time? Am I just retarded? This problem haunts me. +--- 57914150 +>>57913887 +try doing it cold bore +zero at 10y for pistols, 50y for rifles +only move the dial one (1) singular click for every adjustment +make sure your optic is mounted right in the first place +--- 57914241 +>>57914150 +How would I zero it cold bore? How would I know the point of impact? +--- 57914282 +>>57892202 +I’ve learned long ago that if your job requires any mental health screening never see a doctor for any mental or emotional issue. Just bottle it up inside or self-medicate. +--- 57914428 +>>57912474 +The light strike issue is not uncommon in the heritage plinkers. They are fun hot garbage. +>>57912406 should at least upgrade to a Ruger version if you want to use it defensively +--- 57914941 +>>57913887 +Grab a bag you can rest the rifle on, or steal a pillow from your couch and set up this target at 25yd + +https://www.amazon.com/Chrs-Sajnog-Sight-Targets-100-Yard/dp/B075ZLJ3K6 diff --git a/k/57879913.txt b/k/57879913.txt index 19fb5422774f8d78dabf556d0dc27848a83ba3d3..ada65d60c5f1a5a5b6d46ab8a144e85a3e0fe06a 100644 --- a/k/57879913.txt +++ b/k/57879913.txt @@ -814,3 +814,57 @@ It's like seeing a washed out homeless beggar bragging about their high school d --- 57903595 >>57902452 Maybe this is the ultimate camouflage technique. Make it so hideous to look at that you subconsciously avoid seeing it. +--- 57904658 +>>57903518 +>and in reality they were weaker than France +--- 57904689 +>>57879913 (OP) +Germans were ahead of the curve with a lot of things during the war, tanks, rockets, automatic rifles, helmets, helicopters and yes, camouflage +>>57879918 +No they lost because the most powerful nations in the world mobilised themselves for total war against Germany +--- 57904816 +>>57904658 +Yes they were. If the frogs had not left the Ardennes unprotected, France wouldn't have fell even with their backwards WW1 thinking about aviation and tanks. Even Poland could have become a disaster without the Soviets invading them from the other side. +France fell because their retarded leadership and doctrine, not because it was weak in manpower, tech or quality of sodiers. +>At the Nuremberg trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."[20] General Siegfried Westphal stated that if the French had attacked in force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks".[21] +--- 57905888 +>>57879918 +>>Is that why they lost? +Still seething and malding almost 100 years later, im gonna call it an axis W just for that. +--- 57905899 +>>57879913 (OP) +The best camo? +--- 57905904 +>>57905888 +>Still seething and malding almost 100 years later +--- 57905976 +>>57904816 +>Germany was totally inferior to the French army +--- 57906080 +>>57905976 +Here you go, retard, learn something about how the germans were able to defeat the french, besides muh aryan supermen bs. +--- 57906779 +>>57889130 +But he didn't say that, he said it was ahead of the curve and loads of people pointed out that's not true. If you don't want people pointing out how wrong you are, try being right. +--- 57908795 +>>57905899 +That’s field grey +--- 57911565 +>>57905904 +ywnbaw +--- 57911588 +>>57881396 +ah yes from all the infamous german spy rings that happened before and during the war like the eight that landed on a submarine of which two then turned themselves in to hoover and revealed there was no spy rings lmao +--- 57911808 +>>57905904 +The fate that awaits you leftypol tourists. +--- 57911998 +>>57879913 (OP) +Losing in style +--- 57912006 +>>57911588 +It could be a genius plan if you think about it, convince the enemy that you don't have the means or resources to organize spies when in fact you already have a whole spy network. +--- 57915272 +>>57881864 + +Is Gypsy back on Omegle yet? diff --git a/k/57881980.txt b/k/57881980.txt index 5bed9d6bad8bab7e45017fcbf1ce8f62b081ec47..e394b3683a1d6d3c5d944bafbaa04615a38b705c 100644 --- a/k/57881980.txt +++ b/k/57881980.txt @@ -739,3 +739,134 @@ Great choices gentlemen >>57903295 >>57903200 The point is that guns need as much skill and talent to use as a master fencer. That you can't just hand it to some mooks and level the playing field even with a lucky hit. +--- 57904042 +>>57885082 +>biker jacket +>possibly sleeveless turtleneck sweater +N E E D +--- 57904060 +>>57885062 +fat +--- 57905180 +>>57885062 +I am a simple man. Petite girls are hot. On thing she doesn't have that I'm into is a ponytail. +I want a polish version to go with my collection. +--- 57905960 +>>57895409 +>>57896228 +--- 57906011 +>>57886633 +>This bitch asked me how many moons the earth has +well anon, how many? +--- 57906059 +>>57905960 +Thanks for the reminder but I don't appreciate you strangling my wife like that. +--- 57907392 +>>57902659 +Why the dark haired girl is hotter +--- 57907462 +>>57907392 +Takina isn't unattractive. If you like slimmer or more petite girls I can see why you would pick her over Chisato. +--- 57907464 +>>57902555 +That's not soppo! +--- 57907636 +>>57904042 +I'm personally more a fan of wool collar bomber jackets myself +>tfw getting too warm to keep wearing mine +--- 57907708 +>LEO edition +Disregard the State. +--- 57908061 +>>57885062 +Calm, 'modest', dignified personality but adventurous; someone who might seem both old and young at once. Confident but not arragant or falsely modest, kind of a just-the-facts sort and generally serious rather than bubbly but kind and with a love of the good things in life. Outdoors type and athletic, likes working out, hiking, naturalist stuff etc. + +Tall, taller than me is fine too, slender but not fragile with a lean athletic kind of build. I think green eyes are the prettiest, especially with black or dark brown hair but hay-like golden blonde is nice too. Not to worried about boobs as long as they're not really big, flat to sort of big is fine with me. But definitely very leggy (this is important) and nice hips and round butt. + +pic not wholly related +--- 57908076 +>>57907636 +Personally I don't like the fuzzy collars as much. I'm going to miss all the pockets on mine +--- 57908235 +>>57907464 +>"Bitch do you know how hard it is to get red wine stains out of fabrics?!" +--- 57908239 +>>57889102 +I quit playing KanCol back when she was released and I couldn't get her, it was ragequit. Last time I played any vidya gaem shit, good riddance. +--- 57908392 +>>57898681 +A+ +--- 57908415 +>>57907464 +Soppo is very good to just not GOODEST. +--- 57908505 +>>57884992 +I prefer I built weapon designs vs scaled up rifles and such +--- 57908542 +>>57888170 +Wait but SAA likes Pepsi not coke. Also why the fuck did someone imprint a doll in the year of our lord 2064 with a .44 ball BP revolver? +--- 57909061 +>>57908671 +>J izumi +I swear the artist named all these cops jizzy on purpose +--- 57909643 +>>57908570 +>>57908629 +>>57908671 +Nice chest rigs +--- 57909748 +>>57907462 +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +>I WANT TO BE YURI NTR'd! +--- 57910078 +>>57908671 +>masked girl +Lust inducing image +--- 57911848 +new thread doko? +--- 57912066 +Never. +--- 57912431 +NEW THREAD +>>57912421 → +--- 57913210 +>>57908061 +>entire post +My man +>anna from valiant hearts +My man +--- 57914521 +>>57913210 +/k/omrade I am ashamed to say I don't know anything about that image other than the fact I like it, but I though that the character looked like she had some, at least, of the traits I was talking about so I thought it was more appropriate than something else from my folder. +--- 57914797 +someone give me a wallpaper for my phone diff --git a/k/57883524.txt b/k/57883524.txt index 1ab2ec5a4887ec58837dba98b5ebe224105ace18..c785adaf50a00a46f0435723b08201d7f4e5bf95 100644 --- a/k/57883524.txt +++ b/k/57883524.txt @@ -384,3 +384,159 @@ Fuck cotvids, they spend all goddamn day dive bombing the eagles and herons that I recently bought a Daisy 880 carbine, but GLS fucked it up during delivery. Im getting another free of charge, but now i got this banana barrel version. Action still works fine, any ideas what i could build out of it? +--- 57904032 +>>57902987 +Keep it as spare parts? +--- 57904125 +>>57902987 +This is like that Soviet Afghanistan movie with the dude using a bent PKM mowing down hajis +--- 57904197 +>>57904032 +yeah but i thought i could have some fun with this, thought i cut the barrel right behind the front handguard since it looks somewhat straight to that point and throw on a 3D printed ar stock adapter (since the stock is broken as well). +--- 57904481 +>>57902987 +>>57904197 +just do it then -- if you already have a plan, why are you asking +--- 57904488 +>>57902920 +plink/10 collection +nicely plinked +--- 57904548 +Something curious that might interest you is a .177 works with blanks, it has almost the same strength as a normal .22lr, you can find it in mexico, I wonder why something like this is not more popular. +--- 57904616 +>>57904481 +well once im in there i can do more. Heard you can get more power out of it by modding the piston a bit, maybe an idea to get it still somewhat accruate once i cut the barrel etc. The more ideas the better, i want to rice the shit out of it +--- 57904704 +>>57888392 +It's a bit of a rabbit hole of a gun. It's fine on its own, actually it's really good for what it is and how much it costs. But there is a lot you can get to make it better. Externals like a stock custom metal parts or even wood furniture, internally Alchemyairwerks on ebay has a great selection of upgrades for pump capacity and trigger work. +--- 57904821 +>>57890080 +Problem is that airshitters ruin these threads. +Pellet guns and metal BBs are fine but if you talk about BBs it doesn't take long before airshitters crawl out and start larping as special forces. +--- 57904861 +>>57902838 +That gun has a good amount of power in it but that 1300 fps is with super light alloy pellets is a gimmick. It isn't like a 1377 that'd put the pellet under the skin or probably deeper but you get the point, you put a pellet deep in there but it should be more or less fine unless you hit a bone which would make it much less fine but maybe still okay. +--- 57904979 +>>57904548 +People use airguns so they can shoot in places where the sound of a gun would cause problems, with the added benefit of ammo being dirt cheap. I doubt this method would be both effective enough and cheap enough to warrant using over 22lr. Pellets don't like going that fast but round balls would probably not mind. +--- 57905521 +>>57904979 +Understandable, I think it works well +--- 57906219 +>>57897984 +Starlings get the pellet too. +--- 57907159 +>>57902987 +Chop it down. Only problem is the 880 uses a shroud with a plastic plug in the end (and the front sight as one piece) to hold the end of the barrel so you'd have to chop the barrel AND shroud. The plug uses a little notch or bump to keep it rotated so the front sight stays vertical. + +I've seen chopped 760s in person and online (the Pyramyd Air blog had one that was property of a game commission) but never an 880, and you might as well chop it since those parts are both bent anyways. I'd love a chopped 760 but don't want to chop an old airgun. A new plastic receiver 880? For free? New? With a bent barrel? Hell, go for it. At worst,you fuck it up and now have spare parts like seals for your new gun. +--- 57907180 +>>57904616 +You will need to crown the barrel. Don't have a guide but you should look at that before you chop it. Also IIRC a lot of those power mods are on the daisy 880 forum which I still haven't signed up for. +--- 57907195 +>>57904548 +Want. Do you have one? I've never seen one and would love to know more about that. +--- 57907445 +>>57904861 +I don't know, much about the pellets themselves, I know they're JSB diablos or something I found on Amazon. Shoots them hard enough to kill large ground hogs. +Called the farmer that lives over there and he said don't worry the dog will be fine, next time put a bullet it him if he's growling at kids. I wish he'd just keep the fuckers pinned up or something, I really don't want to have to shoot a dog because he can't be assed to keep them on his property. +--- 57907726 +who are some good makers of nitro underlevers, i have varmits to obliterate and dont wanna discharge my regular guns in town, as much +--- 57908189 +>>57907195 +Work like a .22 +--- 57908233 +Small .177 blank +--- 57908325 +Bump +--- 57910771 +Bump +--- 57910841 +>>57883524 (OP) +I have a 1960s sheridan pellet gun with 2 boxes of these original .20 cal pellets with a weird shape outlined on the box. Each box goes for like 50 bucks on ebay because they don't make them anymore. Would be nice to not have to use up all the historic ammo. Can anyone recommend a brand of 0.20 cal pellets that I can get cheap and will work decent with this old gun? +--- 57910849 +>>57902920 +I'm having trouble recognizing these, and that makes me uncomfortable. I see an Artemis m20 and maybe a norica bullpup? They're pretty guns. +--- 57910854 +>>57883524 (OP) +are there any bolt action guns? In the vein of spring break action ones, not CO2 canister powered. +--- 57911057 +What's the longest available air rifle barrel, preferably in 9mm? The longest I've been able to find are 800mm FX barrels, but there's got to be something bigger. I want to convert my AEA Challenger into an AEA CHALLENGEST. +--- 57911167 +>>57911057 +That's an interesting picture to show just how chunky big bore PCP airguns can be. That Daisy 880 is about the same size as a Ruger 10/22 or similar adult size .22 autoloaders on the market. +--- 57911271 +>>57911167 +Thanks, I took it just for this thread. +--- 57911297 +>>57910841 +You have some options, including casting your own +--- 57911545 +Do guns like the Daisy 880 or Crosman 2100 work with lead BBs, and are there any similar options with rifled barrels that can feed from a BB reservoir? Getting the accuracy of a pellet gun combined with the minimal ammo handling of a BB gun sounds like it would make for some very comfy shooting. +--- 57911984 +>>57908189 +This would probably be considered a firearm in the US, unfortunately. I don't think we'll ever get them. Neat concept. +--- 57911995 +>>57910841 +>options for non vintage .20 cal pellets +Pyramyd Air, probably. Ships right to your door in a week. Don't shoot those old pellets; I struggle to find any old pellets for my collection. +--- 57912014 +>>57910854 +PCP or nothing for bolt action, basically. The 1377 and 1322 is "bolt action" but single shot with no magazine and it's a 10 pump. Maybe look for an underlever or side lever rifle? Not sure if that'd fit your wants. Just don't get a cheap chinese one so you don't lose the tip of your finger. (see: anti-beartrap mechanism) +--- 57912052 +>>57912014 +IIRC some companies offer multi pump guns with magazines for pellets. +--- 57912068 +>>57912052 +Seneca dragonfly, for one +--- 57912090 +>>57911545 +The BBs are held with a magnet as not to drop out the barrel if you hold it at any amount of degrees below flat. The lead BBs should be bigger to engage the rifling, so they shouldn't fall out the barrel, rather being a friction fit like a pellet. However, if that's the case, the question is "do they still fit and function in the BB feed tube" since the BBs generally have a little 15 round reservoir with a cutoff switch so they readily drop in front of the bolt. (sorry for being useless here; I've thought about buying them so many times since they're so damn cheap) + +Pyramyd Air blog says they don't function in a Daisy 499 (with H&N Smart Shot BBs): +>BBs fell out +>Two Smart Shot BBs rolled out of the barrel during this session. When the muzzle lowered so the barrel was below level, they couldn’t be held in the gun. Obviously, being lead, they can’t be held by the magnetic shot seat in the breech of the 499, and this seems important to the operation of this model. It remains to be seen whether they will work in other BB guns, so I will try that next. I don’t recommend using Smart Shot BBs in a 499. +https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/10/hn-excite-smart-shot-copper-plated-lead-bbs-part-4/ +https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/10/hn-excite-smart-shot-copper-plated-lead-bbs-part-5/ +https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/11/37469/ +No mention if they shoot well in the most common BB/Pellet rifles from modern day Daisy and Crosman though. Really, Tom? Try Gamo's BBs; they're bare lead. +--- 57912098 +>>57912068 +Motherfucker, and I even read the Pyramyd Air blog about that thing. +--- 57912118 +>>57911545 +Daisy 880 yes, Crosman 2100 also yes. BBs are hard and undersized, so they just kinda bounce down the barrel in the general direction you're aiming. They aren't accurate, or great for the barrel, so I only use pellets in mine. +--- 57912140 +>>57912098 +It's a fun gun, if you were thinking about getting one. +>>57912118 +>>57911545 +Disregard, I missed where you said LEAD BBs. Honestly I'm not even sure how the BBs get into the 2100, and I looked at mine to check. +--- 57912160 +>>57912140 +The black plastic cap at the bottom of the grip slides backwards. +--- 57912903 +>>57910849 +Left to right: +Stoeger XM1 Bullpup .22 (30 ft/lbs) +Crosman Vantage NP .22 (18 ft/lbs) +Effecto PX-5 Pro .25 (55 ft/lbs) +Artemis PR900 .22 (24 ft/lbs) +--- 57913387 +>>57912903 +Very nice, anon. I find myself drawn to that effecto, but I also like the size of that stoeger. Which is your favorite? +--- 57913540 +>>57883524 (OP) +i dont remember that flavor of altoid sours. +--- 57914381 +>>57913387 +Hard to say. The PX-5 is gorgeous, powerful and very accurate, but also rather heavy and fragile. I regret a bit taking it hunting, it has several scratches and dents in the wood and metal finish. + +I just got the Stoeger last week, I got it as a purely hunting rifle. Seems powerful enough for hares and shoots rather well even with cheap pellets, but I have to try it further. Maybe this weekend I'll try and get myself a bunny using it. The size is very handy, the trigger is excellent despite being a bullpup, accuracy wise can't say yet because of the really crappy mounts it got, I have better ones coming in the mail for a proper test. +--- 57914382 +>>57888392 +I’ve enjoyed mine a ton. Get the .22 version and give it a few drops of oil every couple hundred shots +--- 57915181 +Thread inspired me to pick up air rifle for blinking and getting rid of squirrels at my yard. +Was thinking of getting one of Gamo, 10X IGT ones. Still need to do more research. +Is .117 at 900-1200fps good for clean kills? diff --git a/k/57886810.txt b/k/57886810.txt index cf0e9328c46a451a1ee53cf626ccc68974721d86..c02124e579f8b7e2dfb3a0dc34f47d2909b3cc50 100644 --- a/k/57886810.txt +++ b/k/57886810.txt @@ -535,3 +535,176 @@ The one you can contract for --- 57903635 >>57903607 It depends on what you mean by “smart” branch. The one whose service members have the highest average IQ? Probably the Coast Guard. +--- 57903892 +>>57903635 +Army National Guard has the highest average ASVAB. +--- 57903992 +>>57886810 (OP) +>mfw on terminal leave trying to decide whether to go Air Guard, Air Reserve, or 100% civilian +This is unironically a tougher choice than enlisting in the first place +--- 57904034 +>>57903992 +Guard/Reserve is worth it for differential pay +--- 57904080 +>>57903992 +For what purpose would you go reserve or guard? You already got your benefits. And you might end up getting randomly deployed. +--- 57904201 +>>57904080 +Retirement, for one. It’s not like either one will suck up a lot of your time if you are enlisted +--- 57904213 +>>57904080 +>Health insurance for under $50 a month +>Tuition assistance +>Base/amenities access +>Various discounts +>Get a little bit of money +>If I get injured or whatever I can link it to service (I think) +>Get the (admittedly dying) prestige of being in the military +>>57904034 +>differential pay +>The shittiness of working weekends could be offset by my coworkers being likeminded homies +>The job might be cool +Also people keep telling me I can just "cut active orders" if I'm ever out of a job, which I guess is kinda cool but also defeats the purpose of trying to work the bare minimum for benefits. + +>And you might end up getting randomly deployed +That is one of several hangups I have, yes. +--- 57906407 +How am I supposed to trim my nose hair in Naval OCS? +--- 57906607 +Should I learn a new language? French? Spanish? Russian? +--- 57906618 +>>57906607 +I want to maximize my chances to do spooky shit +--- 57908417 +What are the odds that the Space Force is doing something high speed and other than just signing up and being super fucking exceptional what would I probably have to do to get involved? +--- 57908436 +>>57908417 +The fuck are you even trying to ask +--- 57908477 +>>57892148 +ebin +--- 57908524 +>>57908436 +Basically the question that everyone asks about SOF but more or less if the Space Force might have something like that. +--- 57908537 +>>57896937 +You really think early GWOT and pre-GWOT mercenaries still existing? It's security contracting. You're going to be outside standing around doing nothing OR rolling around a motorcade just to follow around a principal and do nothing. + +Blackwater, Executive Outcomes, Triple Canopy, those guys don't exist anymore like they used to. And even then, why the fuck would they stop pooling from prior SF/SOF and go for a rinky dink civilian with only training courses and no real-world experience in high stress environments? +--- 57908541 +>>57908524 +No +--- 57908545 +>>57908541 +Hmm +--- 57910129 +>>57908417 +What would Space SOF even do? +--- 57910305 +>>57906407 +If this isn't a troll. They give you small cuticle type scissors or you can bring clippers/buy some at the NEX. Pro tip if you bring your own clippers you can save like $40 while youre there cause you can cut your own hair and not have the NEX do it. +--- 57910397 +Any other marines go through jump school? I go next week and dunno if marines get treated diff +--- 57910601 +>>57908417 +>space force +>high speed + +Dude what do you think the space force does? The USMC will be fighting in space before the Space Force will ever have to touch a gun. +--- 57910700 +>>57906607 +Russian or Chinese +--- 57910748 +>>57896937 +>as a civilian i really want to experience military life, is there any way for me to accomplish this? +>i was thinking about enrolling in the training course known as "11X Option 40" +EXCELLENT CHOICE ANON +--- 57910790 +>>57910601 +Every branch eventually creates their own high speed or pseudo-highspeed force. Even the Coasties did it. +--- 57910805 +>>57910790 +>space force astronaut antisatellite QRF on Falcon9 +kinoooooooooooooooooooo +--- 57911379 +signed with the navy I with the IT rating. Looking forward to it, hope they send me to japan +--- 57911574 +Is it really that hard to get into NOCS? Right now I have about 3.8 GPA but nothing else. +>>57911379 +Also is this feasible because I was planning to do something like this too +--- 57911677 +>>57910805 +I dunno if we're there yet. My imagination was more like JTACs but for satellite communications and various other things that a regular comms guy probably couldn't do. Possibly a few other things, but those are trickier to do. +--- 57911736 +>>57911574 +are you a minority or a woman? desu if you aren't medically fucked up and your degree is from a good school they'll probably take you +--- 57911747 +Please enlist. +Please enlist. +Please enlist. +Please enlist. +Please enlist. +I want to see you mangled. +I want to see you disfigured. +I want you to die. +I want to see your mother to cry. +Cya golems. +--- 57911978 +>>57903597 +Is Reddit in the room with us right now? Your post is retarded. +--- 57912362 +>>57911747 +i have sex +--- 57912612 +Who's ready to fight for their commander in chief Joe biden? +--- 57912634 +>>57912612 +I don't serve the President, I serve the Office of the Presidency. If that's a deal breaker for you then your ass couldn't cut it to begin with. +--- 57912666 +>>57912634 + +Running global american empire globohomo coups around the world in order to expand the empire is a partisan activity right now. Do you think Trump would do the same shit that Nuland did? +--- 57912683 +>>57912666 +What do they pay you Ruskie fucks anyway? Didn't they take a bunch of you faggots outside and shoot you recently? +--- 57912684 +>>57912666 +check'd and kek'd thank you lucifer +--- 57912740 +>>57912634 +Who's in the Office of the Presidency? +--- 57912798 +>>57912740 +It doesn't fucking matter for you to do your duty. I'm glad it's a deal breaker. In fact if that's a deal breaker then I genuinely hope that you don't sign up. +--- 57912830 +>>57912798 +Why would I sign up I'm not vaccinated and never will be. So, who's in that office? +--- 57912861 +>>57912830 +Someone vaccinated. +--- 57912991 +>>57912830 +There is no more vaccine mandate. Also, you're too fat to join. +--- 57914252 +>>57912683 +>JIDF projection +Rabbi please, everyone knows this site, and this board in particular, is FED central. +--- 57914262 +>>57912861 +>Someone vaccinated +Proof? Biden's cabinet and all of Congress was exempt from the clot shot mandates. Silly anon. +--- 57914314 +>>57912991 +>he doesn't know about the mRNA flu shots +--- 57914439 +>>57908537 +i am well aware that "new thing" is not like "old thing" and getting hired could be an issue. however i still think converting theory to experience is doable in this field. +--- 57914619 +>>57887117 +If you dont want to be behind a computer screen all day, in a building with no windows go 17c. If you dont go 35L. Id say both have high earning potential after. Just 17C may be able to get you out of the .mil/dod world if you want, whereas 35L work will alway be connected to .gov in one way or another. +--- 57914637 +>>57887233 +Dont go national guard. All others are alright. +--- 57914643 +>>57887320 +Active all the way. Not only do get the benefits right off the bat, but if you went reserves you will be one ate up ass joe. Get the full experience for 3-4 years then decide if you want more. diff --git a/k/57890747.txt b/k/57890747.txt index 58e5a2e65cbebb997e47e9fb38c5fc28999408be..b6bc3b22e514b34b49b45c7d90e3a36cb0312d93 100644 --- a/k/57890747.txt +++ b/k/57890747.txt @@ -276,3 +276,353 @@ i've seen a few ufos. the best one was in the daytime. friend and i saw a silver >makes stuff up and generalizes everything >see i have debunked ufos ha ha if you don't believe that's fine, stop being disingenuous because you're too much of a smoothbrained retard to think outside the box +--- 57904349 +>>57890870 +>Pickled cucumbers are fucking disgusting. +Wypierdalaj. +--- 57904831 +>>57902543 +I know someone that did their 20 at AFFTC Edwards and exited the military with a very high rank that now does unmentionable things for the government. I asked him jokingly one day about if he has ever been to Planet Dirt, and his only response was "where did you hear about that?". Take that with an entire shaker of salt. +--- 57904918 +>>57903467 +thats not making stuff up, there are trends in what people claim to see that 100% match government research planes of the respective era, or does it not seem weird to you that the peak of the black triangle space craft happens to be when the B2 was in development, and the time period after? +--- 57905172 +>>57890747 (OP) +--- 57905344 +>>57905172 +this looks shopped +--- 57905357 +>>57905344 +It is not +--- 57905403 +>>57892601 +>Planet Dirt +>Top google result is a motorobike training school in Massachusetts +Are UFOs just massholes pulling off wicked sick jumps on their dirt bikes? +--- 57905453 +>>57898255 +This +--- 57906390 +when *is* the hearing? i've looked it up and can't find an actual time anywhere +--- 57906409 +>>57898330 +>balloons do Mach 25 in atmosphere +--- 57906422 +>>57898629 +You got probed, bud. +--- 57906431 +>>57898255 +Checks out, all of those aircraft technologies came from aliens. +--- 57906437 +>>57906390 +started ~half hour ago +https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/to-receive-testimony-on-the-mission-activities-oversight-and-budget-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office +--- 57906453 +How much is this gonna cost to fix? Bet the fuckin dealer is gonna say they gotta order the parts too +--- 57906457 +>>57906437 +much appreciated +--- 57906460 +>>57902496 +>>57902543 +>>57904831 +It's our colony on Proxima Centauri. Of the weird shit I believe but can't quite prove, Planet Dirt is the most likely to be real. Trillions of dollars were burned during and after the Cold War to make things like that possible. +--- 57906548 +>>57906460 +It's so obvious to me that we're way further ahead than is even believable. I remember 4 years ago I was getting an oil change and waiting in the lounge, something on the History Channel had a blurb about the nazi moon base. Me and some guy looked at each other and he said you don't believe that do ya. I was like, this is my chance. This is it, this is the perfect opportunity to make some normie think I'm a crazy retard. "Never know," I said. The guy started kissing his dog and said "awwww dohhh this is just some dumb asshole". It felt so good. +--- 57906577 +>>57902851 +the truth is the opposite of whatever they say +--- 57906601 +>>57906460 +This what I think as well. It's the closest star system with a habitable planet, and the descriptions seems to match Proxima Centauri (red star) and what we "know" about Proxima Centauri B. This goes along with my "why do we see UFOs in the ocean theory. It's submarine to whatever the fuck crew exchanges. +--- 57906635 +>>57906601 +A whale's cerebral cortex is 8x the size of a humans. They probably just vibe better with them. +--- 57906737 +>>57906390 +It's invite only sorry. +--- 57907113 +well that was a pretty lame fuckin hearing +--- 57907167 +>>57907113 +What did they say? I didn't feel like watching. +--- 57907193 +>>57907167 +whole lotta nothin. just some vague stuff about "how can we make sure this department isn't doing any redundant work that other departments are already handling, how are you working with academia to improve things", etc. +--- 57907249 +>>57906601 +Exactly. Planet Dirt, and to a lesser extent Project Serpio, make sense if there are aliens and/or we cracked FTL in the mid-20th Century. +Another aspect of the part about how advanced we are is that it is rapidly becoming apparent that some form of gravity manipulation, repulsion or electro-gravity system has been silenced since the '60s - see the Weinstein interview with Hal Puthof talking about Louis Witten (antigravity researcher) and his son, Ed Witten (inventor of string theory). The implication being that antigravity is somehow fairly easy to implement and so threatening to the powers that be that String Theory was invented as an attention sink for young physicists. +As far as the oceans, that seems to be the base for some of aliens, ultraterrestrials or whoever else is punking us. Look up 'croakers' for US sub crew's experiences with fast movers underwater. +--- 57907265 +>>57907211 +Interesting how almost all of the UFO sightings are around the biggest military developments and war zones in the world. +--- 57908113 +>one chance at life +>will never get read in to a project involving Planet Dirt +--- 57908650 +>>57907265 +Possibly because those regions have the highest concentrations of advanced radar/sensors? +--- 57908696 +>>57890747 (OP) +Secret US military tech they unlocked by sucking a total of billion of miles of nigger dick. +--- 57908816 +>>57908696 +What does this even mean tho +--- 57908903 +>>57890747 (OP) +New orb video just dropped. + +What I don’t get is why people think if this was blue-on-blue US recording secret US shit, we’d be doing any of this? + +Like why does Russia and China not release everything they know about UAPs if they think it’s all secret US tech? They are sitting on decades of evidence that would all be evidence of the US violating their airspace with impunity and in violation of every treaty while they just sat there and took it? + +And why would these things have been seen constantly buzzing around in Europe during the WWs before the us even entered those wars? + +The reason everyone else is being even less transparent about what they know than the US is because, like the US, they don’t think it’s “ours” at all. Doesn’t belong to any human organization currently alive on the earth. +--- 57910794 +>>57902932 +that was me +--- 57911672 +>>57890747 (OP) +I bet the skunkworks engineers gather around and laugh each time a thread like this is posted. +--- 57911724 +>>57911672 +>And then they said... WE'RE FALLING BEHIND THE CHINESE! +--- 57911772 +>>57911672 +I really try to pass it of as the MIC most of the time and I still come to the conclusion that it is probably out of our hands +--- 57911874 +>>57890870 +>mad +>at vegetables preserved in seasoned vinegar brine +--- 57911956 +>>57911672 +Feel like the people that think this could be some secret combustion based skunkworks horseshit really don’t understand that this is an entirely different technology tree that breaks our laws of physics. There is no school anywhere in the world where someone can even get a base level understanding of what would be needed to build these, particularly in secret. You can’t just secretly leapfrog past all known science and start bending space in a secret bunker in Nevada. + +Most fucking skunkworks are just like “a helicopter, but cooler.” +Not “can zip from stationary across the entire horizon in a second and stop instantly and then dart in and out of the atmosphere like nothing and fly for days at a time with no known fuel requirement.” That’s hundreds of years ahead and they’ve been around for hundreds of years. Who the fuck secretly developed all this world-changing tech in secret for generations and never told anybody? +--- 57911965 +>>57908903 +Well, where is it? +--- 57912003 +>>57911956 +If I point a laser at the sky, I can make it dart across the sky the stop in an instant. How do we know these sightings are physical objects and not just EW fuckery? +--- 57912023 +>>57912003 +its the effortless medium change and terrible human radiation sickness that does it for me +--- 57912032 +>>57911956 +>you cant just make an aircraft fly without a prop +>there is no school anywhere in the world that can teach someone to just make a smooth prop-less aircraft that flies higher and faster than anything the best engineers have built. +--- 57912082 +>>57911956 +Yeah who developed the atom bomb and didn't tell anyone it was like hundreds of thousands of people were involved then suddenly one day it just went off haha,, +--- 57912087 +>>57912032 +It’s not moving through atmosphere bozo. +--- 57912177 +>>57912082 +All the development and research into the atomic theory was published globally right up until Hiroshima. US stopped publishing research papers when they recruited all the academics. + +And nice whataboutism you disingenuous kike but it’s not an argument. Your argument is that it’s human developed which means you’d need to be able to prove humans were capable of even theoretically doing that, which nobody has. Which makes it a shit comparison. + +And also we literally know all of their names you dumb niggggggggggggger. They all were gloryhounds and wouldn’t shut up about it. But not the guys that rendered fossil fuel technology useless 200 years ago or the guys that made the entire space race and the last 100 years of technological development in avionics and everything else. + +Like what shithole you from? Why isn’t every other country in the world constantly tattling on the US if it’s US tech? Why are they all continuing to not disclose what they nose when it would destroy the entire westoid USD oil-driven economic system to reveal that it’s a human U.S. technology? + + +Fucking Moran ferners need think more +--- 57912264 +>>57907249 +You have to remember, Puthoff is a DIA shill. Same with Eric Davis. Theoretically, they are great. I imagine both of the have done work on these projects. But just lien Jacques Valles, they are all DIA/ONI disinformation agents. These are people with the clearance AND the laboratory access (Institute for Advanced Studies Austin), and still they write 80% fiction/20% nonsense fantasy. If any of what Puthoff and ED was remotely true in application, the DIA would have never released it publicly. I am of the mind that the bulk of the research was done in the late 40's on the theoretical end. Einstein was known to be a disciple of Mach, and there are rotating universe solutions to GR by Godel. The rest is an engineering problem and materials science problem. Superfluid Helium-4 was discovered in an applied manner in 1936. The rest is abdiatic laser cooling, electromagnetic induced transparency, and metamaterials work that couldn't be resolved until the science caught up. Eric Weinstein was oh so close. You don't need geniuses once the theory is established, you need engineers that know how to shut the fuck up and work on applications (hence SUNY Stonybrook/Brookhaven NL). It also not antigravity, it's anti-inertia. For FTL is altering the relative permeability and permittivity of the vacuum to artificially raise/lower the speed of light in the medium (vacuum). +--- 57912405 +>>57912023 +This. This is why you see stories that sound a lot like acute radiation poisoning, blue glows around the craft, and why you see them at nuclear weapons facilities. +>The drive system bleeds high intensity gamma radiation as a byproduct of operation +>Fiddling with the medium creates a free-air equivalent to Cherenkov radiation +>Nuclear weapons bases have the personnel equipped to handle the emergency response because muh radiation +>It shuts the weapons off because it screws with the electromagnetic permeability and permittivity of local space and the circuits no longer work correctly because of that +Number one is why it will never be declassified. The Dugway Zapper is a direct byproduct. 100-1 the actual triangles can bleed the gamma radiation in a more "directional" manner as a weapon ala' Zapper. +--- 57912429 +I saw this thing a few years back just uploaded the video for this thread. When I looked at this thing through binoculars I couldn’t see it at all. I’m not gonna pretend to know anything about stealth technology or cloaking but it’s gotta bend light around itself someway. Also it was a lot more round/cylindery in person. Btw if you wanna watch a video of a demon that used to haunt me that’s also on my channel. + +https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Vn6i5vsizo0 +--- 57912495 +>>57912405 +Nta but are you referring to the nuclear sites that had UFOs hover above and disarm them? That would kind of make sense. But it gets weird when they became armed, had a countdown begin, then switch off at the last moment. +--- 57912528 +>>57912495 +Yes. Remember nuclear weapons systems are relatively primitive. Perhaps it was a capabilities test in some instances. It is eluded to that some of this type of shit was once incidental of operations and has been refined to be optional. +--- 57912553 +https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ppm53k2oyVSBfKyfhaPci?si=VzqwdwPZRVm8OXKJWo4-aA +--- 57913515 +>>57891043 +>Bro I watched them for days in the Atlantic in 2005. +>>57894175 +>I think it's more than likely UFOs have been here for a long long time hiding in our vast oceans. +I think it's this, too. There's some relationship between the ayy lmaos and the water. Parallel underwater civilization? We don't know much about the oceans, most of the sea floor is unmapped. I dunno about the greys, but they look kinda fishy. + +Everyone forgets that Earth has already been like three different planets, and life has started or at least evolved complex organisms twice. We can't even tell what some of the pre-Cambrian lifeforms were, they're like Lovecraftian fungus-monsters, and even some of the unambiguous swimming animals follow body plans that never appeared again. + +>>57898629 +>As a kid I actually did see something that I would say solidly fits in the UAP bracket as it stands now. Not blowing smoke up your ass either. +My mother did way out in the Texas Panhandle when she was a girl. Still swears by it. Met old pilots who still do contractor stuff who believe in it but I couldn't tell if they were fucking with me or not. + +>three small rectangular lights at the vertices of what would have been an equilateral triangle on the underside +Yeah. Triangles, saucers, (metallic) orbs, and cylinders. "The most typically reported UAP characteristics to these fields are mostly round, mostly 1-4 meters, white/silver/translucent metallic, 10k to 30k feet with apparent velocity from stationary to Mach 2. No thermal exhaust. Intermittent radar returns. Intermittent radio returns, intermittent thermal signatures. That's what we're looking for and trying to understand." + +>>57907249 +>Weinstein interview +My personal crank conspiracy belief is that Epstein was into this stuff as part of his flinging money around to weird science projects along with their bizarro sea creature / ocean sustainability project (that hired an ex-coastie, bizarrely enough): + +https://youtu.be/2zYStRsHKxE [Embed] +--- 57913605 +>>57894963 +>Get revenge on the allies 2 + +The "nazi ufos" are actually not nazi ufos, they are far more ancient, most of them are crewed by deva-class entities, the center of the hindu religion, others by furries. Cylindrical ufos are not used by these aliens. They look nordic but they arent descendants of germans or an alternate branch of humans, they are the actual primogenitors, the creators of nordic humans. This means that these entities have a history that goes back hundreds of thousands of years. I would guess the upper range of their existence is 500 000 years. Thats supposedly about when Enki and Enlil accidentally experimented self aware humans into existence. These primogenitor entities including Enki and Enlil were in turn created by the superdimensional entities inside the Black Sun which exist at the most fundamental layer of reality, where solid matter is an abstract concept and not a thing. These superdimensional entities also created the first furries before they created these nordics, which were meant to be an improvement over all earlier attempts. + +These nordic aliens and their furry allies are responsible for the havana syndrome and the current malaise of the west. The reason is that Germany was supposed to win world war 2 and set a guiding example for the world to follow, but that attempt was wrecked, and now they are enacting their contigency plan. The victor states of world war 2 will be wrecked by insanity, corruption and incompetence stemming from their own evil, and Germany set up for a self-liberation. Opposing them are the evil masterminds behind Americas evil empire and Germanys defeat in world war 2, the renegade bands of transdimensionals criminals known as "space lizards". American glowies cant do shit against ayylmao glowies. The havana syndrome operators have even struck inside the white house without the secret service being able to even detect them. +--- 57913637 +>>57912264 +>Jacques Valles, they are all DIA/ONI disinformation agents +He's my favorite frog and his work really makes you think +He has more theories and obviously doesn't name one as 100% true as he doesn't know himself (allegedly) +What else makes you think he's disinfo? +--- 57913726 +>>57898617 +>What about the UFOs that were pursued by those mustangs? Good, experienced pilots died trying to shoot down "weather balloons" + +If you fly under an UFO you will be sucked into its drive field and shredded. Thats likely what happened to these P-51s. If you fly over an UFO you will be pushed away from the ufo by the drive field. The aliens that fly these ships have repeatedly shown themselves to be remarkably poor pilots, causing mid air collisions or cooking people and setting fires on the ground with strong microwave and infrared radiation from the propulsion system of their ufos. The reason for this is most likely that they have no prior experience of being inside a material universe before. +--- 57913729 +>>57913605 +So the aliens were so incompetent and weak that with all their literal space faring tech, they couldn't successfully assist a single country in repelling simple human wave attacks? +--- 57913855 +>>57898654 +>Read up on the number of times pilots in the Pacific misidentified other objects, even entire warships, and get back to me. + +There are thousands of forgotten reports of UAPs being tracked both by the aircrews eyes and the onboard radar system. And they cant be misidentified normal things. A typical encounter might go like this: its 1972, you sit in a B-52 at 30 000 feet, its night and you spot a speck of light in the distance, and your radar guy picks up an unknown contact, inbound at 3000 knots, your immediate thought is "this might be an aircraft". The dot then does an instant 90 degree turn and exits at 6000 knots. It wasnt an aircraft. When you file the report, your commanding officer tells you that this never happened and send your report to the archives to be buried. This happened more times than you think it did. + +All the recent disclosure is part of some kind of meta-psyop, because they push the illusion that these things are new. They arent, and there are toooons of USAF and USN and USarmy reports of close encounters and spooky shit that shouldnt exist, but all this has been buried and forgotten when the men who wrote these reports went into retirement and then died. +--- 57913882 +>>57900436 +>it was likely they were meteors, but at the time they scared the shit out of me (four blue lights, in an echelon formation, traveling silently and quickly overhead) + +That sounds like no meteor I have ever heard of or seen myself. Meteors look like fast, faint streaks of light in the darkness. They hit the upper atmosphere at 20-30 kilometers per second. +--- 57913902 +>>57901096 +--- 57913973 +>>57902858 +>I bet ayys carry M4s + +They have inbuilt weaponry, a wise precaution when visiting the earf. Their equvivalent of a psychic stun gun is a belly button gem. 99.9% of all encounters of nordic or even human looking aliens have been males only. +--- 57913993 +Why do threads like these have to be ruined by omegaschizos? +No one even posted the new footage which literally came from a UAV in Syria. What a worthless fucking thread. Go back +--- 57914107 +>>57913993 +Link? +--- 57914263 +>>57913729 +>So the aliens were so incompetent and weak that with all their literal space faring tech, they couldn't successfully assist a single country in repelling simple human wave attacks? + +Its not that they couldnt, its that they arent allowed to outright bomb from orbit by the superdimensional managing entities of this reality. The rogue ayylmaos were more entrenched (controlled more corrupted human hosts) than the lawful ayys thought they were. Becuse of this loss, the eyes (figuratively) of these managing superdimensional entities have been turned towards our timeline Earth with the intent to rectify the situation. The topmost superior managing entity is distinguished by the display of an ornate geometric symbol, known as the "swastika". It has the ability to dumbify ayylmaos and humans, as well as predicting (and directing) the future. This dumbification process is why the american elites, which are heavily corrupted by psychic influence of evil ayys, have become increasingly incompetent and self destructive. Judging by their workings, America, EU and the Russian Federation are being set up for a collapse and breakup in the 2030s-40s. +--- 57914270 +>>57914107 +I’m not fucking sharing it here. If the fucking schizo thread nominally created to talk about the congressional briefing was is unable to organically post footage released by that congressional briefing it should suffer. Fuck this thread and fuck the schizos who ruined it. +--- 57914274 +>>57913993 +>No one even posted the new footage which literally came from a UAV in Syria. What a worthless fucking thread. Go back + +Wasnt that just a silvery ball that drifted lazily across the field of view? Thats nothing special, thats how a foo fighter looks in daylight. Its been known since the days of world war 2. +--- 57914283 +>>57914274 +See? Useless bunch of schizocucks who just want to jerk themselves off and ramble. +>NOOO FOOTAGE IS WORTHLESS WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE HYPERDIMENSIONS +--- 57914293 +>>57914270 +>Fuck this thread and fuck the schizos who ruined it. + +You're an idiot zoomer broccolihead who thinks this UAP stuff is something new. It isnt, there are plenty of good photos and even films of UAP/UFO crew working inside the craft. Its just that you dont see this in the just-right-now-latest-news media flow, so you dont know about it, and get upset when more knowledgeable older people takes control of your thread. +--- 57914312 +>>57914293 +>NOOO YOU CANT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT MY SCHIZO THEORY PLANET DIRT IS REAL FOOTAGE IS FOR SOIBOYS +--- 57914330 +>>57894108 +I was trying to make AI generated nudes of T’Pol just hours ago what a coincidence +--- 57914332 +I want /x/ to go and stay go. +--- 57914340 +>>57914270 +Hey you ever heard of killing yourself you fat consumerist kike? + +Nobody works for you faggot you’re the product here. +--- 57914346 +>>57914340 +I love schizos sometimes, always speaking at strange angles to the conversation at hand +--- 57914359 +>>57914270 +https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12rym73/orb_video_released_by_aaro_at_todays_hearing/ + +There you cunt do it yourself and contribute to something other than your addiction to media consumption you dyke cunt +--- 57914371 +>>57914359 +>>57914340 +>schizos suddenly start screaming about media consumption and consumerism for no reason +--- 57914380 +I wish I had schizophrenia. That would be so fucking cool. +--- 57914430 +>>57896472 +>dozens +The number of credible sightings is much lower than dozens. It's like, idk, maybe 2 or 3. +--- 57914438 +>>57914371 +You’re demanding other people do free labor for you or else you’re act like shit-smearing faggot and whine at them. + +You should kill yourself you entitled cunt. +--- 57914447 +>>57914438 +Your English isn’t very good nor is your ability to derive meaning from the words of others, so you substitute that meaning with an assumption of meaning which flatters yourself and your existing conceptions of the world. Low IQ and paranoia is common among schizophrenics +Tl;dr you’re retarded and that’s not what I was saying. I called you all retarded for not posting it or discussing it, I had already seen it myself hours ago. +--- 57914830 +>>57890870 +ok Chris chan nobody is going to send you any pickled cucumbers to your new group home. +--- 57914868 +Is pic related real? +--- 57914877 +>>57913637 +That nigger 100% does not actually believe that UFOs are demons, and he more than likely he was exposed to some level of SAP from his work with SRI. SRI is one of "those" companies that does all kinds of weird classified compartmentalized shit for the DoD/DoE that you will never ever hear abour. You can tell he's hiding something during his Rogan interview (or being asked questions about something he is NDA'd forever about). The DoD staff guy he had on was the best guest as far as telling people where to look. He kept mentioning "if I would really like to know what the DoE is up to" because guaranteed lots of these types of projects are administered by the DoE and not the DoD. National Labs are all DoE and there is far less congressional oversight on DoE programs than there is on DoD spending sprees. +--- 57914900 +>>57914868 +Absolutely. There is too much serious science floating around for it not to be real. Plus, it's been seen by more people than just Aliens Dave. There are reports in the local papers from that time about people seeing it off I-80 at night. This photo is particularly interesting because it's not from Dave's website, it's from a different angle than Dave's photos, it appears to be taken with a very high resolution FLIR camera in rainbow mode, and THERE IS NO PERIMETER FENCE VISIBLE, which indicates that someone is disseminating naughty things they weren't supposed to (i.e. this was taken inside the fence at Dugway by someone present for the test). +--- 57914905 +>>57890859 +What? Haw! +--- 57914907 +>>57914447 +if you were actually smart you would post blatantly wrong information to bait them into posting the videos. be the change you want to see anon +--- 57914931 +>>57914907 +I genuinely don’t think this thread deserves it, it’s quite possibly the lowest quality discussion of UAOs on the internet I’ve seen in a decade. Note how they immediately said it didn’t matter and was unimportant and even when it was posted no one talked about it. Because they only care about planet dirt. +--- 57914960 +>>57914447 +> Your English isn’t very good +It’s an anti ESL measure. I do it on porpoise. Im allowed to subvert the language, while you can’t help it lol. +>nor is your ability to derive meaning from the words of others, +How does this flow in your native brogue? +>so you substitute that meaning with an assumption of meaning which flatters yourself and your existing conceptions of the world. +Idk I hate to lean too hard on the projection meme but this sure smells like projection. +>Low IQ +Pretty high iq tho. High enough to be able to appreciate why IQ is a competency test for children that only studies 3 aspects of intelligence and is more a reflection of your early childhood education than it is your innate intelligence. + +also there’s not really any correlation between iq and schizophrenia, the deformity in the structure of the brain that causes schizophrenia has pretty much nothing to do with the structures that determine innate intelligence, plus schizophrenia doesn’t kick in until late adolescence-early adulthood so the learned intelligence factors are already set in stone before schizophrenia symptoms kick in. Some schizos are geniuses and some are babbling retards. + +You give off big “16 year old trying to sound smart” vibes. + +>Tl;dr +You wrote nothing but angry weird ESL whining and personal attacks. + +>you’re retarded +You smell like poop probably diff --git a/k/57893037.txt b/k/57893037.txt index 9937f07e12306e77fc479d6e49debacf888ef96c..16bf3e80046025efa8ae3f80d7ca605acdc0c8e2 100644 --- a/k/57893037.txt +++ b/k/57893037.txt @@ -419,3 +419,227 @@ No it isn't. They're both rifle rounds, a game like RE4 isn't going to make dist >>57901424 >complaining about this when there are 30 fucking Ukraine threads that are just as off-topic, shitting up the board. I fucking hate the war tourists +--- 57903820 +>>57903364 +yes you are a mega fucking brainlet for getting triggered by that but not the other mixed caliber guns using the same generic ammo. it's not even the only 556 gun that takes rifle ammo in the game +--- 57903933 +>>57896439 +tmp sucked in the demo if the le5 is anything worse that that this game must be unplayable +--- 57903947 +>>57900051 +i felt like this monstrosity was the homage to that cover monstrosity +--- 57904067 +>>57900731 +Best RE magnum. +Best Suda51 game. +--- 57904121 +The BB pisses me off because there's no way a break action revolver of any kind could survive a modern magnum handgun round. It appears to be based on a Schofield which is even more nonsensical. +--- 57904667 +>>57900265 +>implying those didn’t exist in original RE4 +Also there are mods for new RE2 and 3 so both enemies and you die easier and it limits ammo. It’s a nice change +--- 57904673 +>>57900770 +I’m all for it. She’s sexy as fuck +--- 57904686 +>>57903364 +>AR15 using rifle ammo is retarded? +Yes. Extremely retarded. You could have easily looked this up too +--- 57905279 +Is RE4R the most /k/ Resident Evil? The animations are such operator kino +--- 57905718 +>>57893456 +Nice. Nothing better than dropping 3-5 ganados at the same time or flinching a cultists through his shield +--- 57905847 +>>57900157 +Chris get the fuck out of here, I know it's you I don't even have to look! +--- 57905972 +>>57902788 +Re2R let's you get around this by blowing one of their legs off, which is somewhat easy to do if you can put two or three shots in the same knee. Hunters can fuck off though +--- 57906252 +>>57900180 +Although I like both too, I do miss Salazar's unsolicited shitposting in the original game. +--- 57906309 +>>57900107 +Is that why all the guns in Call of Duty have weird names now? +It's a good thing that Crossbow and Riot Shield aren't brand names or we would have ended up with "Heisenberg Kinetic Bolt Accelerator" and "Sergei's Stalinium Shard" instead. +--- 57906362 +>>57903364 +The striker is a meme gun that was designed for South African export. +The selling pitch was that is had the fire rate of a semi-auto, but the ability to take special rounds like a pump-action. However, the magazine spring needs to be re-round once you empty it a few times or it stops cycling properly; meaning that after you finish loading the gun, you have to spend a further few minutes cranking that lever as well. +A fun toy, but not something you'd want to be using in any extended period of combat. +--- 57906374 +>>57893037 (OP) +I think they dropped the ball on some shit, especially the exclusive upgrades which are now largely underwhelming, but overall I thought Rem4ake handled weapons well. They added a few things that I think were improvements like the weapon storage system and iron sights for rifles when you don't have a scope attached although I wish they'd added more handguns. They're eventually going to have to scan a bunch of stuff for RE Engine anyways, may as well have gotten them out of the way here. +--- 57906447 +>>57903364 +The M1903 bolt action rifle in RE4 and AR15 using the same ammo is wrong, but it's the other way around, they're both using .223, which is only wrong for the 1903. +--- 57906454 +>>57893037 (OP) +you're an artist, mate +--- 57906504 +>>57893110 +As sexy as leather on skin looks, that would chaff and rub you raw and bloody! +--- 57906545 +>>57906454 +You'll buy my super Ruger SP101 in .38spl at a high price? +--- 57906549 +>>57905972 +>Re2 +>Hunters +--- 57906680 +>>57894123 +only in really close quarters, Splinter Cell Conviction did it better +--- 57906700 +>>57906680 +Conviction did nothing good and was a shitty game let alone call itself a Splinter Cell. +--- 57906706 +>>57900248 +Jill isn't part of Chris's autism squad +--- 57906730 +>>57906700 +>Conviction did nothing good +excepts Grimms breast physics when Sam was beating her + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGR_R6iPHyA [Embed] +--- 57906769 +>>57894022 +Is that Sergei Lavrov? +--- 57906819 +>>57901413 +lmfao Chris in RE8 was a bumbling retard who stood around doing fuck all while Ethan solo'd Chris' mission for him in spite of fuck-up after fuck-up by Chris, most of which are due to Chris being an autistic man-child who can't just tell Ethan wtf is going on. And despite all of this he still acts cool, telling Ethan "you can't handle this" after Ethan has singlehandedly killed all the bosses in the game so Chris won't have to. +--- 57906828 +>>57906447 +To be fair the M1903 using .223 ammo is the same as it was in the original game and it makes sense from a gameplay perspective. +I'm guessing it was done because they looked at the SL8 and the M1903 and chose one round to use between the two, and the SL8 is chambered in .223 +--- 57906833 +>>57906819 +ETHAN YOU NEED TO FUCK MY SISTER +--- 57906857 +>>57906833 +If I were Ethan, I would have used my immortality to kill Chris, deeply unlikeable character. +--- 57906944 +RE8 needs a DLC where you play as Chris and get fucking fired for all your terrible decisions that resulted in other people dying. +--- 57907135 +>>57900051 +Can we take a moment to appreciate how the cover is aesthetical and frightening? I swear everything was so much soulful back in the days, when art was genuinely handmade +And besides, the more I spent time watching it, the more I discovered new zombie faces on the dome +--- 57907170 +>>57900096 +>noooo stop pointing out obvious flaws, like this obvious cash grab of a popular IP +jesus christ you people are annoying +--- 57907568 +>>57907170 +>flaws, like this obvious cash grab of a popular IP +Nigger the original game is old enough it could buy a gun, and it still has a fantastic following. How dare they allow those people to play with better graphics, better models, better mechanics, better combat, and with a little twist on the storyline. +>obvious flaws +Like what? Name 3 +--- 57907751 +>>57900024 +¡UN FORASTERO! +--- 57907781 +>>57907568 +1. NO SOUL BUT SPELLED WITH A "V' INSTEAD OF A "U" +2. The linear progression of time is a constant reminder of my inevitable death +3. Shut up I hate you zoomer zoomy zoom-zoom goyslop badwrong buzzword I am a mad retard +--- 57907840 +>>57894123 +Only in CQB and if you suspect you're going to get tangled up in hand to hand +So it's pretty practical for Leon's situation in RE4 +--- 57907871 +>>57894446 +You can actually replicate his gear identically IRL +Some of it is a little hard to find these days but the only truly custom part of his kit is the lenses and filters on his gas mask. But people make and sell those to attach to an FM12 so that's covered. +--- 57908333 +>>57900107 +>>57900648 +>>57906309 +Using US or Russian military designators such as M16, M1911 or AK-47 won't get you in trouble. Using brand names (Python, Mauser, etc) may. I once read here that California law had something to do with this too. +--- 57908354 +>>57908333 +TLDR no one wants to get railed in a lawsuit because of a mass shooting like Remington did +--- 57908488 +>>57906309 +It's a mixture of that and wanting to sell tie-in airsoft. +--- 57909852 +>>57900051 +Why hasn't someone made a pump action shotgun upper for an AR lower? +Seems kind of obvious now that I think about it. +--- 57909934 +>>57909852 +https://sofrep.com/gear/pump-action-ar-kit-bentwood-simple-effective/ +--- 57909992 +>>57906549 +They were fucking annoying shut the fuck up and climb a wall of dicks +--- 57909998 +>>57909934 +Not a shotgun, but it's a start I guess. +--- 57910007 +>>57909992 +They weren't hunters. They were G adults. Hunters aren't in re2. +--- 57910410 +>>57907781 +Damn you got me. Thanks for correcting the record +--- 57910996 +>>57893037 (OP) +I just bought an xbox one s like a year ago. Why are they only releasing it on the series 1 s only? +Inb4 poorfag +I cant justify shelling out for a new console again my original xbox one hasnt even shit the bed yet. +--- 57911049 +>>57910996 +Bro you’re like 8 years behind on consoles and complaining? Have you tried not being poor? +--- 57911161 +Thinking about building one of these off my grandfather's 96. Worth it? +--- 57911356 +>>57911049 +Fuck youre young. I miss being young. I spend most of my spare cash these days on guns and my kids. The last game i spent a lot of time on was FO4 okay? Most modern games are shit. I grew up with KOTOR and a bb gun and now i have responsibilities. Just tell me theyre going to release it on older consoles pls pls pls. +--- 57911430 +>>57893037 (OP) +The guns were pretty cool, sound was decent. +The game was alright, but definitely didn't have the same vibe to it as the original. +Also, fuck whatever weird render error looking jank they replaced ashley's skirt with was supposed to be. +--- 57911438 +>>57911356 +>>57911049 +I also collect rare books. Kind of an acquired taste. One of these days youll get wasted on a bottle of 60$ bourbon and wake up to david attenborough talking about penguins because drunk you thought it would be neat to see those little tuxedo niggas catch fish. It WILL happen to you. +--- 57911604 +The Kendo USP makes my dick wet +--- 57912348 +>>57911604 +>compensator built into the barrel +--- 57912515 +>>57911161 +That's a OCP-tier mod. Which fits the bill, considering the OCP is the Umbrella of it's universe. +--- 57912537 +>>57911161 +Probably not, best to keep grandpa's gun as is +--- 57912680 +>>57893359 +Remake resident evil Outbreak. +It would be fucking awesome. +Resident evil 2 style gameplay with multiple people, working together to finish the level and escape from the crumbling racoon city. + +Resident evil 4 was the worst and best thing to happen to resident evil. +It’s a great game, but the switch from survival horror to action horror that followed into the next several games and the bombastic, over the top, end of the world storyline’s and dialogue was a big shift from the original. + +Resident evil 7 was a breath of fresh air in this regard, as they tried to take it away from the 5/6 action adventure it had been. +But then 8 just dragged it right back there again. +--- 57912686 +>>57893037 (OP) +Grow up manchild +--- 57912812 +>>57911356 +Lmao pretentious fag I’m probably older than you, have fun with whatever it is you’re doing over there. +--- 57912921 +>>57912686 +You're on 4chan you faggot nigger. +--- 57913055 +>>57909992 +>Re2 +>Hunters +--- 57914351 +>>57911604 +I want to try building a clone but I don't think there's anything even close to that compensator. +--- 57915095 +>>57914351 +I wonder if you could get one custom machined. diff --git a/k/57895220.txt b/k/57895220.txt index ba6271d56f63cef64831fb3b3770ff7f52ef4ba1..f1800fb60403b4ead1d5a95c42d5b4fbc7ed3ce0 100644 --- a/k/57895220.txt +++ b/k/57895220.txt @@ -176,3 +176,157 @@ Anon im scared. --- 57902445 >>57899101 Nice bruh. Shame the ammo costs blood semen and first borns +--- 57904603 +I bought a ruger p95 (not my photo) at a show last weekend. It was a little pricy for what it is, but I specifically wanted the chonky two tone aesthetic. I have no idea why I wanted it so badly. Still, it shoots quite well and it came with the chad 15 round mags instead of the cuck 10 round ones. Now I want to find a nice retro holster for it, perhaps a leather shouldy holdy. I am overall happy with the purchase, although it was unnecessary for me to buy. Does anyone else just get the urge to buy something kind of stupid sometimes? +--- 57904637 +>>57895220 (OP) +I'm surprised your boolas is even still selling military style assault pistols + +Mine literally will not buy used non-hunting guns, got rid of the milsurp rack, and their gun library is literally nothing but sxs's and new production pythons and cobras +--- 57905110 +>>57898269 +Why are you simping big brother cuck technology? +--- 57905177 +Got a m500 retrograde yesterday. +--- 57905698 +>>57905177 +nice get, just needs a heat shield +--- 57906039 +>>57904637 +Where in the fuck do you live +--- 57906551 +>>57904637 +>Europe's strongest gun store +--- 57906870 +Just picked up a USP v1 in 9mm and I love it. Probably never buying another striker fired gun. +--- 57906895 +>>57906870 +Fuck stryker fired weapons in general bruh. +--- 57906909 +>>57906895 +c O p e +--- 57906924 +>>57906909 +Go fellate your glock you striker loving fairy. +--- 57907011 +>>57906924 +>imagine being incapable of hitting anything without single action +I'll out-shoot you with my P80s and LCP any day, grandpa. +--- 57907117 +>>57896201 +never seen a Ruger with Pachmayrs on them. You've got good taste. +--- 57907150 +>>57895220 (OP) +dude that's one hell of a price. I been looking at the P30K because of how much I like the ergos/controls of the P30L, and owning a larger/smaller version of basically the same gun appeals. +--- 57907350 +>>57907011 +Ah, I see, you're retarded. +--- 57907565 +Traded up for this tri arc 9mm +--- 57907802 +Latest was probably pic related for $500. +Also picked up a B&T 9mm suppressor from my LGS that just got approved. +--- 57907830 +>>57907802 +what's going on with .40s selling for next to nothing, lately? +--- 57907908 +>be me in January +>casual long range shooter +>eventually get bored +>hear there’s a clay shooting field near where I live +>also hear clay is about the most fun you can have with a gun +>sure why not +>the field is currently undergoing some maintenance works +>trade my rifle for a beretta 686 anyway cause I got REAL bored of long range +>fast forward today +>field is still closed +>have yet to fire a single round with my O/U +>start craving a semiauto 12ga +send help +--- 57908302 +>>57907830 +Its always been that way after the panic selling stops. Massive amounts of LEO trade-ins tanked the used market for .40S&W handguns for like the last 15 years. How new are you? +--- 57908360 +>>57908302 +pretty new, thanks for clarifying! +--- 57908386 +>>57907908 +I bought a budget o/u (cz redhead deluxe) because my boss wanted me to go clay shooting with him when the seasons change. So far he has not brought it up again. I really hope that I didnt get this for nothing. Its really nice looking, but I have not shot it at all yet. +--- 57908561 +>>57908386 +iktf +I want to try clay out so bad +--- 57908596 +>>57895388 +>Brags about this. +--- 57908878 +>>57896201 +>Like a beautiful woman with the trashiest tramp stamp. +--- 57909951 +>>57895429 +Thanks for cluing me in on this. Just went ahead and snagged a P10C for the same, optics ready cut. Money was tight for me past few years, but I'm doing better now. I shot that and the P30L back in 2020 and really liked both, so the latter is what I am eyeing next. + +>>57896703 +Anywhere you've seen a good deal on a P30L? That was the other handgun I was meaning to get. I generally see them in the 700-800 range same as always. +--- 57910193 +CZ 75 SP01. I’m already gonna change out the firing pin retaining pin like everyone says to. But are there any other upgrades to this gun that people know about? +--- 57910213 +>>57895220 (OP) +Nice, I have that exact same pen +--- 57910223 +>>57910193 +Cajun gun works is the place to go for CZ upgrades. Did a defensive carry package on my CZ75SA and it was glorious +--- 57910237 +>>57910223 +Based, thank you. +--- 57910295 +a bren mk3 and several SBR stamps that im too lazy to do anything with +--- 57910642 +>>57897951 +I got one of those recovers and I think it's pretty rad +--- 57911065 +>>57906039 +co, aka new california +--- 57912105 +Glock 43, my third glock. Im a boring person. +--- 57912119 +>>57895673 +For people who want govt in their gun +--- 57912254 +>>57904603 +No. but as far as ugly, last century handguns go, you made the right choice fren. +--- 57912317 +>>57910295 +>several SBR stamps that im too lazy to do anything with +Lmao, I can relate. +I've had my Thompson approved for years, but it's a pain in the dick to SBR compared to just slapping a stock on a pistol. +I only recently got the new barrel for it which took a lot of waiting for a certain guy to get them back in stock and have been slowly procuring some WWII-era parts for it. +I also want to replace the new production furniture with some surplus stuff. +--- 57912760 +>>57912317 +Why did you leave our server so long ago man? We miss you. (unless you arn't him) +I have my AP5 which was an easy SBR, just slap a stock on it but man, hell if i care about anything else. ARs, my glock, its just whatever to it all +--- 57912766 +>>57907802 +Lol lmao even just got one of these for $480 used never fired old guy wanted retail boss gave him 350 sold it to me for 480 God I love working in an FFL +--- 57912819 +>>57912760 +You might be thinking of someone else, lmao +--- 57912847 +>>57895220 (OP) +I've got that exact gun. It shoots great. +--- 57912866 +>>57912819 +He had a bunch of cool PCCs too like you. I was just being hopeful man. I really miss our old /pccg/ server. I finally made it to MP5 status and all. +--- 57914888 +>>57898269 +>Zoomie was too young to remember legislation shoehorned in and rushed to be enacted because of this fag shit. +--- 57914908 +>>57910642 +...that BETTER be an unregistered brace, boy! +--- 57914924 +>>57909951 +>Anywhere you've seen a good deal on a P30L? +Keep checking /hg/ periodically, I'm going to make a habit of posting good HK deals when I see them going forward. My LGS has one for $549 but I put it on hold for myself. +--- 57914968 +Picked this up today as my second gun, used for $500 3 17 round mags and complementary flashlight diff --git a/k/57896324.txt b/k/57896324.txt index 0dc4a1a7e09b70150f43b395cac7536a8695be51..b45480950951e48ebcbe0865053512a0689e5188 100644 --- a/k/57896324.txt +++ b/k/57896324.txt @@ -191,3 +191,58 @@ Op here, thanks for the eye opener. So, all that has to be done to fix this is t >>57896324 (OP) Do you think boxes are used for cars and APCs and moving vehicles because they like the shape of them, or because they're the most structurally stable shape? What do you think happens to the stability of the structure if you use a sick azz diamond shape that looks d0pe as hell for your APC? Why are you 12? +--- 57904547 +>>57903327 +boxes are inherently not ideal from a structural strength perspective (sharp corners suck ass,) but they're space efficient and easy to make. besides, it's not like someone is going to take your ifv and put it in a gigantic press or chuck it in the depths of the ocean. making ballistic armour for a box is much easier than for an oblate sphere or something. it pretty much goes: +1. sphere (which is why deep ocean submersibles and fuel tanks for rockets are often that shape) +2. elongated sphere ie. egg shaped (eggs and some submarines) +2. cylinder with rounded ends (planes, submarines and gas tanks for industrial use) +3. pyramid/wedge/etc. (pyramids, fighter planes) +obviously structural strength isn't the only consideration: a fighter plane would be much stronger if it was spherical in shape - but the aerodynamics would really suck. +--- 57904579 +nice clearance, genius +--- 57904614 +>>57896324 (OP) +I have designed the perfect amphibious APC, it's a catamaran +--- 57904713 +>>57896324 (OP) +Sorry to tell ya, my 7 year old already invented this. He probably ate less of the crayons while doing so, too. +--- 57906189 +>>57904579 +in my head colonial marines just autisticaly and stoically make perfectly flat roads under fire or while being eaten by giant tarantulas and THEN they bring in their gear. +--- 57906485 +>>57896324 (OP) +what's the road clearance? +--- 57907373 +>>57906485 +irrelevant, it's gonna have jump-jets. +--- 57909773 +>>57902893 +what game is that? +--- 57912156 +>>57896324 (OP) +If your design cannot both tank and dish out MBT level firepower it is sub-ape IQ and you should be ashamed +--- 57912180 +>>57912156 +how the hell do you grab the shells through the basket? +--- 57912206 +>>57912180 +Sheer force of will +--- 57912238 +>>57896324 (OP) +>literally zero headroom +Where do you fit the electronics and wiring needed for the dorsal hardpoints without ruining the silhouette +--- 57912288 +>>57909773 +Battlefield 2142. The best fucking Battlefield. + +That picture is of the pig disgusting PAC APC. Pic related is the glorious lego block that is the EU PAC. +--- 57912815 +>>57912156 +Why are these guys sitting on nothing +--- 57912885 +>>57912815 +These were made for a game that does a really shitty job at not leaking memory, so all of the weird details are so I could either mess around with it or because I didnt feel like it/didnt see it necessary +--- 57913173 +>>57912815 +yeah, the should scooch together and sit on each other for optimal performance. diff --git a/k/57896792.txt b/k/57896792.txt index ef8c8a501ad452cc1d5afd6565b8694f145d577c..4a8d5dd426a6650ecc840ab61b7623276f314ec8 100644 --- a/k/57896792.txt +++ b/k/57896792.txt @@ -585,3 +585,256 @@ Early February 2022 > https://pallone.house.gov/media/press-releases/pallone-leads-bipartisan-call-biden-administration-urging-rejection-f-16 This was before the invasion of Ukraine and before Sweden or Finland asked to join NATO, but fast-forward some months to a year and there's retards who've conflated them as if the Greco-Armenian lobby's rejection of F-16s and modernization kits HAS ANYTHING to do with Ukraine or NATO either. +--- 57903664 +>>57897604 +>Butthurt serb shows up +--- 57903688 +>>57903547 +>the Greco-Armenian lobby +>anon... +Ever heard of Bob Menendez who literally heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that has veto power over foreign arms transfer?? Or the dozens of Congressmen with ethnic, familial or political ties to pro-Greek/Armenian special interest? + +The Greco-Armenian lobbies campaign against arms sales, security cooperation or anything involving Turkey isn't a theory, they do it in the open and have for decades but more much prominently over the past decade. They have websites and Twitter campaigns about it too and brag about it. + +They even came out during the PA Senate election against Dr Oz even though the latter has nothing to do with Turkish politics or geopolitics. +> https://armenianweekly.com/2022/11/09/dr-oz-defeated-anca-led-coalition-tips-the-scales-in-tight-pennsylvania-senate-race/ + +Here's his rival crazy Fetterman vowing to turn the Hagia Sophia into a museum, forgetting he's running for US Senate and not Mayor of Istanbul: +> https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/11/11/newly-elected-us-senator-wants-turkey-to-convert-hagia-sophia-back-to-a-museum/ +> https://orthodoxtimes.com/john-fetterman-as-a-senator-i-will-support-the-struggle-of-the-greek-orthodox-hagia-sophia-must-become-a-museum/ + +Menendez as SFRC chairman has vowed to veto any F16 or other weapons to Turkey regardless of whether they pass in the Congress itself. +> https://greekreporter.com/2022/12/08/senator-menendez-veto-f-16-turkey/ +> https://ekathimerini.com/news/1202336/top-us-lawmaker-menendez-objects-to-potential-f-16-sale-to-turkey/ +--- 57903689 +>>57903164 + +They have watched the turks on who they do business and adapted that model to themself. Orban is the blacksheep in the EU, and if he can get hold on something(=blackmailing) that could benefit him in the long term he will use that. Unfortunately Sweden are used by both turks and hungarians to jusitify their own internal means, plus Sweden is far easier to 'hate' on rather than Finland as the swedish think they have some moral higher grounds. Erdogan/Orban is basically the same kind of guy, just a long-term leader that hold on to power as long as possible, portraying as strong men that keep their ill forsaken countries in good shape which is an illusion as the only ones that benefit is the circle around both leaders. They want to be like Putin and they like to have both West and East so they can earn maxium profits. +--- 57903893 +>>57898684 +>demanding a huge park that built and maintains its own infrastructure pay you for infrastructure because you're mad that a creative arts company is pro-gays is... Good? +Party of small government. +--- 57903907 +>>57901115 +is that a platform you can win an election on? +I feel like this woke/anti-woke divide that saturated the media has died down due to media deciding to dial down the heat, and probably people growing tired of the same idiotic slapfights playing out continuously. +--- 57903926 +>>57903471 +>all he did of note was pull back some troops from overseas +He didn't even do that in his own term. The Republicans held the House, Senate and White House for two years and because they had an utterly ineffective and retarded President with zero agenda and zero chops they got nothing at all done. Trump will be remembered as the least competent president of the post-war era. Even Jimmy Carter was less useless than him. +--- 57903932 +Lord i hate roaches so much +--- 57903958 +>>57903932 +It's unreal, really. We need such a massive can of Raid. +--- 57903985 +>>57897465 +>People will obviously blame Orban for this and his 13 year rule +If there is anything I've learned about reigns of this length it's the respective parties ability to negate any responsibility for fuck ups during that time and collectively memory hole any decisions that led to negative consequences. +It just reminds me too much of German conservatives having the audacity to publicly mock the other parties not fixing the problems of the military after 16 years of doing jackshit themselves while in charge. +--- 57904005 +why are hungarians so mad anyway +still seething about trianon? it's over a century ago +--- 57904019 +>>57903658 +It's cute that you think Greece matters. They could leave NATO tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. In fact, it'd just result in Turkey going ham on them. + +>>57904005 +Hungarians want nothing to do with EU's attempts at federalization or changing their culture. +--- 57904027 +>>57904019 +>Hungarians want nothing to do with EU's attempts at federalization or changing their culture. +plenty of countries want the same and yet it's almost exclusively hungary that's seething about everything +--- 57904058 +>>57904019 +EU doesnt want to change our culture, orvan just needs a constant enemy to point at and blame for the peoples misery while they steal and ruin everything they can. If EU wasnt so soft orban would stfu just like the gypsy did when USA told him to stfu a week ago. +--- 57904073 +>>57899127 +stfu MHP nigger go die in an earthquake +--- 57904076 +>>57898223 +>>57898358 +I'd guess you're not Hungarian, but there's 2 things you have to understand - Orban has one of the most chronic cases of small man syndrome, meaning he wants to seem like some geopolitical genius playing 4D chess, but very much like Putin, it only makes him look like an untrustworthy cunt on the West, and a person willing to sell off his country to Russia and China for 'favor' (lol) which never seems to materialize. Both of those views are correct imo. See Belgrade rail line for the Chinese, Russian nuclear plant, Russian investment bank in Budapest etc. I could go on. +The reality of the Hungarian economy is that we get nothing in exchange for all this kowtowing, and Orban, the great geopolitical genius managed to get us totally addicted to Russian energy, even selling off our future energy security, by building a Russian nuke plant from Russian loans, and buying gas from Russia at record prices, due to there being no other option. +The reason he actually can get away with all this is he subsidizes German auto plants and suppliers like Chinese and Korean battery plants, along with voting against shit like the global minimum tax and destroying the currency (it lost like a third of its value in a decade) + +All this immigration and LGBT stuff is circus for retards, and it seems to work perfectly on the flesh automatons masquerading as human beings that is the Hungarian populace. +First, nobody actually wants to move here, second, during the elections, they had made a huge stink about countering LGBT propaganda in schools, while simultaneously throwing fucking with teachers who demanded a raise. To put that in context, the average teacher makes less than a street cleaner while requiring university degrees. This means teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and there's literally nobody left to teach in this heckin trad and family focused country. + +I won't even go into domestic corruption, needless to say it is all encompassing. +--- 57904105 +>>57899499 +>The Nordics now understand Russia is a permanent threat +that has been understood for over a millennium +its the americans who only now start to understand what everyone who have ever been exposed to them have said since forever +--- 57904128 +>>57899201 +I thought the was a very direct relationship - the Russian S400s would've had all the opportunity to poke and prod the F35s with their radars, gathering all the signals intelligence in the world, eroding its stealth advantage. +--- 57904138 +>>57896792 (OP) +>let Turkey have F-16s so Sweden joins +>then kick Turkey out and detonate every nuke on Istanbul +Do it America. +--- 57904157 +>>57903237 +who are they indebted to? If its themselves, they can just sort it out. If its the West, it means the West has economic interest in seeing China prosper so they can repay those debts. +--- 57904170 +>>57904019 +It's actually because Finland and Sweden voted for denying EU gibs to Hungary lmao +--- 57904208 +>>57897465 +>People will obviously blame Orban for this +You don't understand how servile and mindbroken Hungarians are. The war just broke out before the elections with Orban being the biggest Russia cocksucker. +Previously the rethoric was all evil commies 1956 - there were signs that this is a line that cannot be crossed with a lot of Fidesz politicans and supporters actively speaking out against Orban. Guess what? - they still won the election in a landslide. +It's literally 1984 here - 'we've always been at war with Eurasia' +--- 57904237 +>>57904076 + +>First, nobody actually wants to move here, second, during the elections, they had made a huge stink about countering LGBT propaganda in schools, while simultaneously throwing fucking with teachers who demanded a raise. To put that in context, the average teacher makes less than a street cleaner while requiring university degrees. This means teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and there's literally nobody left to teach in this heckin trad and family focused country. + +Man, that's fucking grim. I had already read that Hungary is suffering from brain drain, but I didn't expect it to be this bad. +--- 57904247 +>>57904208 + +The average Hungarian perfectly sees how fucked the situation is, it's the Fidesz-voters that are the problem. +--- 57904367 +>>57903893 +Conversely, laugh at all the "left wing progressives" suddenly furiously defending a billion dollar corporation's right to supercede the government +--- 57904370 +>>57899499 +>Russia exists to rebuild its old empire. +Empire of dust. With each of Putin's invasions Russia has become poorer and less trusted. Before the Georgia invasion world leaders were salivating to get on Putin's good side. Before the Crimea invasion the world leaders were salivating to get a piece of Russia's raw resource economy, making plans such as Nord Stream without a care in the world. Before the Ukraine mainland invasion there was still a strong desire to forgive and forget. Now the Russian state is politically nuclear waste to the point where it's even scaring away money sharks. Honestly us reaching these levels of escalation is the lovechild of Merkel and Obama. Merkel was dragging her feet perhaps for ideological reasons and Obama was scared to make an executive decision out of fear of being wrong. Today the only way the Russians could turn this around is if the entire global economy and industry suddenly and violently reverted to 19th century and then they would have the upper hand with experience. If not, well, then they're fucked. +--- 57904414 +>>57900428 +Hopefully they're better. I'm just wondering why he spends so much time and effort fucking with foreign countries over fixing his own. +--- 57904427 +>>57897037 +It is to project soft power, protect Swedish borders, and prevent global war. +--- 57904470 +>>57903358 +To be fair, the Chinks fell for the same exact pitfalls and subversion has psyopped Western commies into thinking like them. +So it was easy to pin everything on ideology rather than assume that it was just the old empire in a new fresh coat of paint. +--- 57904506 +>>57903521 +Erdogan's islamist pandering shit is definitely his, and if it isn't then Turkey has a big fucking problem. The commie shit is more understandable, but he doesn't have any want or desire to know in which way Sweden can satisfy what he wants given that the government will never break the constitution over foreign pressure (which would be a big win for a anti-democratic dictator btw) +And no, Turkey's concerns definitely are mysterious given the initial lies and deceit about how they'd go about this. The ministers in Sweden only changed their tune when Erdog began barking. +Grey Wolves have deserved a ban for much longer than 2020, other extremists prompting harder crackdowns on even more extremists isn't a conspiracy, just judicial attention. +Fact of the matter is that the organization turned from cold war hooligans into Erdogan's covert attack dogs and they seem to intermingle well with shit like TRT if Nyans is any indication. +--- 57904674 +>>57904019 + >It's cute that you think Greece matters. They could leave NATO tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference. In fact, it'd just result in Turkey going ham on them. + It's not about Greece proper. They're borderline Armenia tier and have been for decades. + + It's Greek and Armenian diaspora and their lawmakers in Congress, especially Greek American congressmen and allies. They have votes, they have veto power. See: >>57903688 +They denied drones to Turkey in the early 2010s, they denied Patriots for decades, they were always going to cancel the F35 deal one way or another, and have actively been against the F16 deal since 2021. +--- 57904699 +>>57897465 +>his 13 year rule could come to an end +My grandkids will love it, for like 2-5 years until things normalize again and we elect another mafia to rob us blind. +--- 57904706 +>>57896792 (OP) +Another L for pootin +--- 57904716 +>>57897037 +Sends a message that EVROPA is unified against Russian aggression +--- 57904764 +>>57904237 +It's all shit in Central Europe, anon. The whole region has been, and is, riding on the balls of its ass. + +-t. Czech +--- 57905441 +>>57901966 +Florida is barely a government and more like a HOA +--- 57905472 +>>57897037 +lake nato +--- 57905513 +>>57903237 +jesus fuck +--- 57906790 +>>57897037 +None, it's probably so the politicians can get cushy jobs as nato princes +--- 57906866 +>>57906790 +Good morning, Sir. i am thoroughly demoralized and ready to surrender to Putin +--- 57906931 +>>57906866 +Russia would lose an invasion of gotland or the mainland one on one, never mind any other alliances. Having to provide turkey with military aid if some retard busts up the middle east again or something is not worth the risk. Need i remind you that we managed fine without NATO during the much more powerful and aggressive soviet union? +--- 57907163 +>>57896792 (OP) + +I think this is non related since the kurdish diaspora in Sweden has been financing and organizing bombings in Turkey since decades. Furthermore, since they are deeply embedded into Swedens biggest party, the Social Democrats, they are untouchable. +--- 57907610 +My favourite hungarian clownery is how they proclaimed themselves to be anyti islamic and anti arab immigration but they refuse sweden fpr some russian psyop quran burning and the state media enslessly whines about how swedes disrespect islam. +What funnier is that the hungay retards bob their head to it. +Truly a nation of forever losers, God Bless Trianon +--- 57907658 +Sweden will never ever get in NATO +--- 57907680 +>>57907658 +Kralovec will get in NATO, and so will Sweden. +--- 57907850 +>>57899127 +>but that was back in the 80s before Sweden went full cuck mode for leftism +Anon... This sentence is retardation. Olof Palme was in charge during the 80s. Sweden was borderline socialist. +You know Palme, the guy that sent aid to the fucking Viet Kong! +--- 57907974 +>>57898398 +Having 13 year olds arrested for posting memes about cops being fat lazy cowards is not the right fight. It makes you look like an impotent stooge. +--- 57908680 +>>57902872 +>it's the 'incel raves about race war (but won't do shit)' episode again +--- 57908875 +>>57903499 +>he Greco-Armenian lobby will not let it through +Mehmet, lay off the shisha +--- 57909219 +>>57897264 +>we will never the the Baltic fleet get blown to shit by missiles +>we will never see the Russian airforce get slaughtered by a few dozend Grippen +It's not fair. +--- 57909292 +>>57909219 +Look, anon. No one knows what the future holds, but I feel pretty confident in saying that at a point in the near future, a bottle of vodka is gonna be worth more to your average Russian then a month's wages, so you could potentially just hire the Baltic fleet for a couple of pallets of alcohol to go get themselves killed and end the suffering of being Russian. +--- 57909304 +Turns out /k/ is full of roaches nowadays. No wonder the board is getting dumber each day. +--- 57910558 +>>57898223 +>Szarbán +>right wing +>family policies +lol +lmao, even +xD, if you will +--- 57910861 +>>57898223 +>Orban's popularity actually spiked in the aftermath of the Russian invasion, implying that Hungarians as a nation are the issue (likely Trianon butthurt with Ukraine), +while there is certainly some trianon asshurt among some fidesz voters, the number of people who legitimately care about that "issue" in everyday life isn't as high as it might look. the primary reason for the popularity spike after the invasion was the fact that he used it as part of his fearmongering campaign, and spun the opposing parties' support of Ukraine as "The opposition wants to take your children to fight in Ukraine". His primary voter base, which mainly consists of old people who exclusively watch and read state media and barely literate gypsies who often depend on their local feudal lords (who are always fidesz maggots) to even be able to afford food instantly ate it all up. it's retarded but if you were born here you would eventually stop being surprised at the sheer levels of idiocy these subanimals can display +--- 57912753 +>>57903188 +>eventually you would have to think of immigration for the country's future +>assimilation and integration programs should be debatable and variable accross nations, not immigration itself + +Third world people create third world shitholes. No amount of ideological and religious pilpul will shift the laws of nature. The long term consequences of shit people immigration into Europe will be local separatist and reconquest movements, which all will be massively anti-american because of reasons that are so obvious they dont need to be mentioned. This antiamericanism will not be limited to only the american government and its agents, but also against american expats, american-funded NGOs, american religious crackpots (particulary mormons) and american companies, which will be seen as subversive agents and enemies of the people. On the other side of this equation you will see local islamist and mafia organisations consisting of foreigners, which will try to enact de facto control of portions of the host country. All of these will be against the national government. These jihadis and mafioses will also be very much against america and americans. American expats in Europe might even end up being kidnapped, exported abroad and then used as raw material in islamist gore videos. +--- 57912799 +>>57896792 (OP) +Holy Fuck imagine once moldova and ukraine join nato + +color revolution in belarus and they join aswell + +all of europe united in the most powerful alliance the world has ever seen + +ALL WILL FEAR OUR MIGHT +--- 57912841 +>>57912799 +loldova and ukraine will never join hato. +--- 57912958 +>>57912841 +is that kind of like how finland and sweden would never join nato? +--- 57914236 +>>57903237 +>zeihan +lmao, this dude panders to his boomer libertarian audience, his entire income relies on ensuring his audience Merica still numba won. He claims the US will be dominant because of 3rd world immigration. He's a fucking joke who thinks race doesn't exist and ignores how AI and other tech will make demographics irrelevant +--- 57914440 +>>57912841 +You and what army? diff --git a/k/57897457.txt b/k/57897457.txt index 0bef547174b1de40f4942fa4a6bb06c9f0cf77d8..9b1933627466f840f833dc58b5551815453bdd24 100644 --- a/k/57897457.txt +++ b/k/57897457.txt @@ -306,3 +306,429 @@ You're a fucking idiot. --- 57903424 >>57897814 holy shit is that the angry video game nerd? +--- 57903833 +>>57897457 (OP) +Wako pirates are not Samurai +but the extra men per ship and MA bonus does make them useful for holding trade nodes +--- 57903843 +>>57898296 +Didn't Japan outright conquer Korea multiple times in its history? +--- 57903934 +>>57897457 (OP) +How the hell does Japan rely on quantity? +They have one of the more high-tech militaries in the world. +Is this what burgers believe? Do they think that U.S fought Japan before it had anything left except bottom of the barrel garrison divisions? +The Japanese army died fighting against British forces in South East Asia and South Asia before U.S even showed up. There was more Japanese divisions fighting longer and harder in Burma and New Guinea than everywhere that American troops fought the Japanese combined. +This is like the line of +>Shermans don't fight Tigers! +By only looking at U.S Shermans and conveniently forgetting Americans did fuck all fighting on land in WW2. +--- 57903943 +>>57903934 +It’s just a Korea sperg being butthurt +--- 57903983 +>>57903833 +>tfw having to use multiple fleet stacks to trap the Black Ship in Shogun because its movement speed is always faster than your fastest stack +>tfw you finally bring it to battle +>tfw glorious boarding action to capture it +>tfw you get the ship +>tfw you meme every enemy navy with it from then on +Shogun 2 was underrated. Shame CA are going back on their promise of 'No 3rd in the series' by doing Medieval 3. Unironically want Empire 2 from Pike & Shot to breech load rifles. +--- 57904670 +>>57903983 +The death run as you close in for boarding is always pure kino +--- 57904730 +>>57897729 +>>57897886 +Samefag typing. +--- 57905192 +>>57897457 (OP) +>>57897464 +>>57897479 +Too bad, the late 16th century "Wokou" were mostly Chinese (and their gook slaves) imitating Japanese pirates, Kim. +>Although wokou means "Japanese pirates", major wokou groups in the 16th century were led by Chinese traders whose livelihoods were halted by the Ming trade bans.[26] Because of the extent of corruption in the Ming court, many Chinese officials actually had relations with the pirates and benefited from the piracy, making it difficult for central authorities to control.[27] +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wokou#Later_wokou + +Real samurai were so op the king of Spain even issued a royal decree in the 17th century to ban engagement with Japanese soldiers. +--- 57905223 +Okay war shit aside... How the fuck is egg on toast with bacon Korean street food? +--- 57906062 +>>57897585 +>>57897557 +Imagine telling every German the landing positions and force makeup at Normandy prior to an invasion. Clearly honor on the battlefield and in antiquity is a failed concept in modern times. +--- 57906091 +>>57897457 (OP) +if indeed the spanish were so much better than the japanese armies of the period why didnt they conquer japan? +checkmate retards you couldnt beat japan just like they couldnt beat korea/china in that time period +--- 57906116 +>>57897457 (OP) +>curbstomped Japanese samurai +Those were pirates, retard +--- 57906221 +>>57902019 +>>57902926 +>>57902944 +>>57902982 +Thanks for the effort anon, it's an interesting account. Makes me wish I knew more about european activities in asia at that time. +Might have to go down that rabbit hole. +--- 57906283 +>>57899339 +shut up chink faggot +--- 57906369 +>>57902019 +>>57902926 +>>57902944 +>>57902982 +Based primary source poster +--- 57908296 +>>57903843 +Never since the beginning of time. However, proto-Koreans conquered proto-Japan similar to how the Romans/Angles/Saxons/Jutes/Vikings/Normans conquered the Celt natives in Britain to form the modern Brit +--- 57908310 +>>57903934 +The US to Japan kill ratio in ww2 was something like 1:30, possibly more, the difference in quality was staggering +--- 57908348 +>>57897457 (OP) +I know this is bait but it depends on the time period.Early japanese armies would have relied on smaller samurai armies. During the Sengoku period they started usinf large armies of commoner infantry. +--- 57908353 +>>57906091 +Every European sea power used Japan has a trading port with almost no resistance, they enslaved the natives and there were thousands of Japanese sex slaves sold by peoples like the Portuguese all over the world to include India, the Middle East and even Europe, this is well documented + +Spain, traveling to the other side of the world, conquered the Philippines to the extent that even today the name of country bears a former Spanish monarch's name (lmfao) despite Japan and China effectively in bordering waters + +Keep in mind, Portuguese and Spanish conquistadors were probably around 5'6" 150lb (average for back then) compared to samurais that were probably around 4'9" 100lb without exaggeration +--- 57908370 +>>57902019 +>>57902926 +> just trust me bro I heard it from my weabo tranny sister who swears they have the real accounts of what happened through their reliable sources + +Lmfao, I'll take the historical accounts over any western euro records over china/japan fiction +--- 57908378 +>>57902926 +>>57902944 +>>57902982 +Based + +And as an aside, I can't think of many times when pirates, of any race or nation, went up against a regular military force and won. Would OP likewise claim that the white man is bad at warfare because the nascent US Navy turned out to be incapable of protecting its own commerce from the Barbary pirates, lost one of their larger warships to the Tripoli pirates, and had to resort to paying a ransom to those pirate states to stop the attacks on US merchantmen? +--- 57908381 +>>57897464 +>call your ships Junk +>lose +what were you expecting +--- 57908421 +>>57908370 +>t. +--- 57908443 +>>57897457 (OP) +>japs have never been known for quality +Hey come on give em atleast the credit they're due. They had some pretty good planes and submarines in ww2. Surface fleet was just okay though. +--- 57908452 +>>57905192 +Fucking nip displaying their inferiority complex, this is a picture of actual samurai, they were all around 4'9" and 100lb at best some actually less than 100lb, a typical Euro peasant back then would beat the ever loving shit out of a dozen of these munchkins without breaking a sweat let alone a Spanish conquistador + +The 60 conquistadors killing 1000 samurais sounds crazy until you realize that all of the samurais were the size of 11 year olds +--- 57908457 +>>57908421 +Lol why is that nip punching himself? Is it because he realized that he will never grow taller than an average euro teenaged girl? Lmfao +--- 57908484 +>>57905192 +>A Spanish royal decree of 1609 +Do you have the reference for this claim? I can't find that in online spanish archives. +--- 57908486 +>>57897457 (OP) +I've always been convinced that western ingenuity and valuing 'outside the box' thinking is something that only whites value. I'm not sure if it's something only whites can do period, or just something only we value. Either way, it's the main cause of military curbstomps like this when someone who can think fights someone who just follows orders. + +And yes, Spaniards are white. This battle took place a few decades after the reconquista if memory serves, and any Spanish that weren't fucked by the moops are absolutely white. +--- 57908525 +>>57903934 +>bottom of the barrel +>not their elite naval forces +Weeb plz. The forces in China and Burma WERE the bottom of the barrel in quality, both theaters were seen as second line occupation duty while the Pacific Campaign was seen as the most important theater. +>the defense of Japanese soil of Iwo Jima and Okinawa wasn't important +Go wack off on your body pillow and don't post here again. +--- 57908530 +>>57908443 +> They had some pretty good planes and submarines in ww2 + +I assume you are being sarcastic? The hellcat had a 19:1 kill ratio over the zero, 5,156 zeros shot down in less than two years...lmfao + +Again, quantity over quality never works + +https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-an-imperial-japanese-fighter-pilots-first-encounter-with-the-f6f-hellcat-was-usually-his-last/ +--- 57908544 +>>57903934 +>fuck all land fighting +>North Africa, Italy, France, Germany +>fuck all +>b-but muh USSR +The casualties you take aren't a measure of your prowess you dumb bitch. +--- 57908546 +>>57908486 +Is this why the Huns, Turks and Mongols steamrolled Europe for thousands of years to an extent that all Europeans today carry Turko-Mongol y dna? Keep in mind the Turko-Mongols were almost always vastly outnumbered by Europeans but still curbstomped Euros will kill ratios sometimes as high as 100: 1 Lmfao +--- 57908554 +>>57908370 +But he posted historical account +--- 57908563 +>>57897457 (OP) +>The Japanese have never really been known for quality, only quantity like China +Name a single chinese car brand +--- 57908573 +>>57908486 +Spain is white to the same extent the Moors are white, the Moors colonized Spain for over 1000+ years and EVERY SINGLE human in Iberia was mutted by Moorish blood + +Think how long 1000 years is to be colonized, the US is only ~250 old and 250 years ago the new world was almost 100% natives and largely undeveloped, the proof is in the genetics +--- 57908588 +>>57908486 +>western ingenuity and valuing 'outside the box' thinking is something that only whites value +I see that you've not worked with germans, lol +>Spanish that weren't fucked by the moops +The moor invaders were mostly non-arabs to begin with, and while they replaced the previous goth elites and nobility, most of the original population just converted to islam. The same happened in reverse later during the Reconquista, which was the reason why the Inquisition was actually created: to seek out false converts to Christianity that keep practicing their old religions. +Until the big inmigration wave from the 2000s, most native spaniards ranged from irish looking gingers to arab-looking people with all the shades and hair colours in between. Today there's a fuckton of native south american blood, though. +--- 57908609 +>>57908563 +Lol this mindset is why nips (and whatever flag you are really from) are thirdies in spirit, who the fuck said anything about car brands? The only car brands that are worth a shit are German, every Japanese brand makes cheap shit barely better than the Chinese car brands that actually outsell Japanese car brands today you dumbfuck + +If anything bringing up car brands is more evidence that Japanese products are cheap as fuck, you really think your toyota or honda can compete against bmw, mercedes, porsche? LMFAO +--- 57908620 +>>57908573 +Not that it matters much, but you're wrong anyway. +--- 57908635 +>>57897457 (OP) +>Japanese have never really been known for quality, only quantity like China +My civics have been more reliable than any other cars Ive had +--- 57908637 +>>57908421 +Sometimes I wonder how do people, who was born with chud face, live their daily life. +--- 57908638 +>>57897464 +>phillipines + +You beat an average size family of sea mexicans, Juan. +--- 57908641 +>>57908609 +>The only car brands that are worth a shit are German +You know nothing about cars and it shows, lol +--- 57908664 +>>57908370 +He literally posted a primary source you fucking retard. Learn2read. +--- 57908687 +>>57908620 +Lol this has been largely debunked as powerpoint tier by some white nationalist, the actual genetics not to mention any common persons eyes says differently, this is similar to how germans try to cover up that their genetics all contain turko-mongol y dna from the thousands of years of being slaves to the "eastern barbarians" going back to the days when the germans had to flee their ancetral homeland (in current day Kazakhstan) and migrate/colonize the weaker native Europeans +--- 57908710 +>>57908635 +I had a toyota camry rental recently, sure it was probably reliable but was naseating as fuck to drive and felt fucking pedestrian like a car built for 80 year old geriatrics, compared to say an m3 or a 911, you couldn't pay me to own a piece of shit like a civic +--- 57908743 +>>57908641 +Ok boomer, I've owned over 50 cars over the past few decades and can tell you that there are no cars, not a single model, under $50k that is not a piece of garbage, its obvious you've never driven a panamera or an m5, you do you with your civics and subarus and tell the whole world you are indeed a faggot, I'll stick with German, the only exception is full size trucks and there only buy US brands, would take a single raptor over a lifetime supply of corrollas +--- 57908777 +>>57908664 +No you didn't you samefag faggot, all credible historical records show that a handful of conquistadors curbstomped an endless horde of munchkin samurais even though the conquistadors were literally on the other side of the world and they barely broke a sweat, the historical accounts imply that the japanese samurais were actually easier to mog than the native sudacas +--- 57908810 +>>57897457 (OP) +Weren't pistol bandoliers, like pic rel, adapted to combat Jap pirates. +--- 57908818 +>>57908777 +What historical records would those be? The source he posted is from the Spanish side’s account of the situation. +>inb4 I was just pretending to be retarded +--- 57908823 +>>57908777 +>all credible historical records show that a handful of conquistadors curbstomped an endless horde of munchkin samurais +Post them then +--- 57908865 +>>57908452 +I doubt it's a nip, actual japs have no problem admitting they were sandal wearing rice niggers. +--- 57908893 +>>57908687 +Here's the paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30914710/ +Feel free to provide a counter analysis to it. +>any common persons eyes says differently +You don't know shit about Spain besides retarded tropes. Even before the germanic goth invaders the Iberian peninsula was a mix of ancient Iberians, celts, greeks, phoenicians, romans, and the people from the empire they brought in. The "arab appearance" was pretty much the same as many of the previous inhabitants to begin with. +And while people from northern spain tend to have a certain phenotype (like basques), 500 years of internal displacements have blurred the lines all over the place. + +By the way, Spain was doing fine until it became attached to germanic autistic religious wars. Had Spain focused in their Empire instead of wasting all their riches away in retarded forest nigger infighting in northern Europe, their original institutions wouldn't have been destroyed and corrupted until they become absolutist, broke and innefectual. Read nigga, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_Comuneros +--- 57908956 +>>57908525 +That's incorrect. China was the army's top priority up until late 1944, when the Pacific war was already lost. The Pacific was the navy's priority. The two services had completely divergent strategic viewpoints, and Japan's war effort was hamstrung by it. Japan's civilian government and military leaders were far from a monolith with a single goal in mind. They very rarely managed to agree, let alone reach an unhappy compromise. + +>>57908530 +Are you being sarcastic? Quantity over quality is literally what won the war for the US. By the time new airframes like the Hellcat and Corsair were introduced, the IJN's elite flying corps had been attrited by the fighting in 1942 and could not be replaced. Japan simply didn't have the time or training infrastructure to do it. The US could have won the war building nothing but more Yorktowns and F4Fs. The Hellcat's 19:1 kill ratio is because its pilots were shooting down novices that could barely get off the ground. It's fucking dumb to act like every Hellcat kill was an honorabru 1v1 against a Japanese fighter, they were also shooting down bombers and recon aircraft, and that's part of that ratio as well. You can think of the ratio like Erich Hartmann's record. There's a shitload of defenseless bombers in there relative to the number of enemy fighters downed. +--- 57908968 +>>57908452 +I may understand having bamboo bows, but having bamboo arrow shafts... lmfao +I wonder how well they did against European cuirasses. +--- 57908993 +>>57908810 +Carrying multiple pistols was seen as something pirates did. People didn’t want to be thought of as a pirate generally didn’t do that even if it was a good idea. Consider it like modern day future doctors showing off their Glocks with ‘stendos and switches. +--- 57909020 +>>57908993 +Well first accounts of using pistol bandoliers came from encounters with Japanese/Asian pirates by the Spanish/Portuguese/Dutch. Ironically it became an iconic pirate thing to do, even though it was adapted to combat piracy. +--- 57909553 +>>57908823 +> just trust me bro my tranny sister told me so at our tranny affirmation meeting + +Shut the fuck up faggot +--- 57909603 +>>57908956 +Shut up faggot + +The US had something like 50,000 killed in ww2 INCLUDING the European front where the real fighting was happening, the Japs had over 3+ million killed, quality always beats quantity you fucking tranny +--- 57909620 +The military quality advantage of Western Europe and Iberia in particular around that time was pretty incredible. There really was nothing that could quite match up to Portuguese carracks and how they were literally able to shit on every oriental empire from the Ottomans to India to Indonesia, China, and Japan. Only the Japanese were smart enough to start copying the Portuguese. +--- 57909646 +>>57909603 +This pic says it all, the US mogs all in warfare and its not even close, we beat the fuck out of the world and ended up ruling it after killing all of our adversaries with barely a scratch, the reason why the japanese ran out of combat assets is PRECISELY because of their quantity over quality approach to everything in their culture, they thought they could throw millions of soldiers and sailors and think it works, whereas the US focuses on quality and why our kill ratio mogs thirdies like japan, russia, germany, china, etc. +--- 57909657 +>>57909646 +--- 57909714 +>>57903934 +>There was more Japanese divisions fighting longer and harder in Burma and New Guinea than everywhere that American troops fought the Japanese combined. +>retard forgetting that the US Army fought heavily in both Burma and New Guinea +t. burger with two great-uncles that fought in Burma and New Guinea respectively +--- 57909754 +>>57908635 +I used to have a Japanese made Fender Stratocaster. Only guitar I’ve ever regretted selling. +--- 57909838 +16th century Spanish military is so underrated. The most /k/ era. Swords, shields, pikes, guns and cannons. Tercios were arguably the best infantry forces at the time + +https://youtu.be/4y6agtVxWi8 [Embed] +--- 57909840 +>>57908588 +>which was the reason why the Inquisition was actually created: to seek out false converts to Christianity that keep practicing their old religions. +Fun fact, a significant amount of jews fled Spain during the early colonization of the New World/Spanish Empire. They're called "conversos" and something like 25% of latinx have jewish DNA. Explains a lot. + +>>57908554 +This is 4chan. Facts don't matter. + +>>57908452 +euro peasants? What about 6'5 k-bulls like yourself? + +>>57908956 +To be fair, and this is coming from an actual Imperial Japan Apologist (Nanking's death toll was inflated and Pearl Harbor only happened because of FDR's commie fuckery), US hardware was almost always superior to their Japanese equivalents on a 1 to 1 basis, with a few minor exceptions. Doctrine too, that's something that rarely gets touched on. Saying that the US' victory* in any theater of the war was based entirely on quality over quantity is a gross oversimplification. Even much maligned US equipment like the BAR and Sherman were at least decent, and usually better than they get credit for. + +*Inb4 muh USSR. Stalin himself said that without lend-lease they would have lost. They got something like half of their aviation fuel from us, plus endless ammo, food, steel, equipment etc. Nothing like using the "Arsenal of Democracy" to help out mass murdering communists, eh? + +>>57909646 +Gookshill, why do you hate Germans? The Japanese I can understand, but I've noticed that you seem to hate Germans as well. +--- 57909889 +>>57909603 +>The US had something like 50,000 killed in ww2 +405,399 KIA. which was a lot better than the japanese, but you're retarded. +--- 57909891 +>>57909840 +A german probably fucked his gook crush +--- 57909948 +>>57909603 +Why are you projecting korean tranny cuck ? +You would get fucked up IRL if you said that kind of bullshit, remember this +--- 57910025 +>>57909553 +So you can't post them, tranny porn addict +--- 57910121 +>>57909840 +>US hardware was almost always superior to their Japanese equivalents on a 1 to 1 basis +Not until the mid-war period, when the US steamroller was unstoppable. And besides that, superior in what regard? If you're talking small arms, small arms don't have an impact on the big picture unless it's a very lopsided situation like cannon and repeating rifles against spears and bows. If you mean tanks, you have a valid point after 1942. Aircraft, likewise is not until mid-1943 when Hellcats and Corsairs enter the war. The A6M and G4M were excellent aircraft when introduced, the real failing from the IJN was not improving on them sooner. + +If you're talking ships, Japanese carriers and battleships other than the Yamatos were generally comparable to US ships of equivalent age. Japanese heavy cruisers generally carried more armor and more weapons than their US counterparts. Japanese destroyers were also far more heavily armed than their American counterparts, though were optimized for surface warfare. Japanese submarines ranged from below average to excellent, and their weapons were far superior to the American torpedoes. The subs were let down by doctrine more than anything else. + +>Doctrine too... Saying that the US' victory* in any theater of the war was based entirely on quality over quantity is a gross oversimplification +It really isn't. Show me any battle in the Pacific after Guadalcanal that the US could have conceivably lost. Even when invading the Philippines, if Kurita actually destroyed the transports off Leyte it would have been a setback for the US that wouldn't have changed the final outcome. There's no instance where Japanese island garrisons weren't outnumbered 4:1 or more, and the US also has naval and aerial dominance the whole time. The Japanese were trading pretty evenly with the USN at Guadalcanal despite heavy disadvantages, and King literally said he followed an attritional strategy because he could make up his losses and the Japanese couldn't. +--- 57910243 +>>57910121 +US frontline troops had higher levels of support weapons and artillery to say nothing of armor and mechanized transport than anything the Japanese did. US Wildcats were slower than the Zero but had far more armor, and often times the Japanese took off things like radios and armor in order to increase speed at the cost of dying to near misses. Later on while on paper the Japanese still had good planes like the George, they also used stupidly unreliable engines like the Homare that required American levels of quality control to be functional (spoiler: they didn't have quality control). This was compounded by the fact that the elite Japanese air corps was attritioned at a high rate and the high recruitment standards meant that losses could not be replaced, eventually leading to the use of greener pilots that suffered drastically against increasingly veteran US pilots. +Japanese ships were also pieces of shit since half of the carriers were adopted from battlecruiser or battleship builds or just flat out converted from civilian vessels. The battleships were fine since they were based off of British builds, but the carriers for instance took nearly an hour to launch strikes because they didn't have non-dogshit elevators on the carriers and so the whole strike had to be brought up plane by plane, one at a time, to prep it for launch, while American carriers could launch in half that time. Not to mention that Japanese crews were hyperspecialized and many had no idea how to do damage control while on American ships everyone did. Japanese surface combatants had better torpedoes (assuming the long lances didn't just explode due to being incredibly volatile) but their gunnery sucked and their fire control in particular was terrible compared to the American ships. Submarines were fine though, the doctrine was the issue for them. +--- 57910266 +>>57910243 (me) +Also Japanese AAA was godawful, I can't think of any instance of Japanese AAA actually being effective. The guns had poor range and couldn't do enough damage to planes to bring them down, while the US had proximity fuzes that literally fucked any Japanese plane unfortunate enough to be in the vicinity. The Japanese did have that beehive AA battleship shell but that was a meme and everybody knew it. +--- 57910267 +>>57897479 +Kek pirate samurais, that's new +--- 57911455 +>>57909620 +>The military quality advantage of Western Europe and Iberia in particular around that time was pretty incredible. There really was nothing that could quite match up to Portuguese carracks + +Portugal literally lost twice to a dilapidated 16th century Ming navy during the battles of Tunmen and Xicaowan. +--- 57911635 +>>57908457 +if i remember correct it was a chinese guy, a lot of chinese are known of doing this retarded shit. +Some of them started hitting themselves because Pelosi went to Taiwan lmao. +--- 57911688 +>>57897457 (OP) +Thing is, they learned from this. After Portuguese traders showed up with matchlocks, they bought some and attempted to copy them. At first they were unsuccessful in developing the barrel boring technology (Japanese metallurgy was made of very different techniques compared to Europe) so one swordsmith sought out Portuguese traders who knew. He offered his daughter's hand in marriage and learned how to bore barrels from one Portuguese merchant. Within a few years they had hundreds of thousands of Tanegashima matchlocks that were comparable to European ones, and they became one of the per capita most heavily armed nations on earth. That's one thing that greatly helped the Japanese from the 1600s to 1900s, when they realized they had a deficiency they scrambled to make up for it. +--- 57911729 +>>57909840 +>Gookshill, why do you hate Germans? The Japanese I can understand, but I've noticed that you seem to hate Germans as well. +He fucking hates Europeans except when they buy K2 and Chunmoo. +--- 57912358 +>>57897603 +>>57897814 +>>57898805 +>>57909603 +Posting your image on 4chan is frowned upon. +--- 57912460 +>>57910243 +>US frontline troops had higher levels of support weapons and artillery +This is a quantitative advantage, not a qualitative one. You are literally making my point for me. + +>armor and mechanized transport +This is of limited utility in the Pacific. Also, the US started with M2A4s at Guadalcanal, and only had Stuarts at the end. All are roughly equivalent to their Japanese counterparts, the Type 89, 95, and 97. Beyond that, you're in the midwar period which, as I said, it didn't matter what the US fielded. + +>Wildcats were slower than the Zero but had far more armor +The armor advantage is overstated. The only "armor" the F4F had were small plates the front and back of the cockpit, and a bulletproof windscreen. Nothing that would stop a 20mm. Most of the Wildcat's success in 1942 was due to early warning by coastwatchers in the Solomons, and even then they traded about even with the A6M. 115 F4Fs to 106 A6Ms lost from all causes from August 1 to November 15. If they didn't get early warning to get airborne and above the incoming strike, you get the Oct 2nd experience +>On 2 October 1942, a Japanese air raid from Rabaul was not detected in time and the Cactus Air Force lost six Wildcats to only one Zero destroyed + +>the Japanese took off things like radios +Radios were removed in 1942 from A6Ms only, because radio shielding was one of the things that had been cut to get the A6M to the range and maneuverability desired. This made them nigh useless due to magnetic interference in the South Pacific, so most pilots removed them. Other aircraft types had shielded radios which worked fine. +>and armor +This never happened. + +>the elite Japanese air corps was attritioned at a high rate +I already said this, you are agreeing with me. US pilots, while less skilled overall than the Japanese in the early war, could be rotated out and rested. The Japanese were forced to keep flying because recalling them means no pilots at all. This is a quantitative advantage for the US. +--- 57912480 +>>57910243 +>half of the carriers were adopted from battlecruiser or battleship builds +So were Lexington and Saratoga. Hiryu and Soryu, along with the cranes, were all built from the ground up as carriers though. Hiryu and Soryu weren't much different from Wasp. + +>converted from civilian vessels +This was a feature, not a bug. This was Japan actively skirting the naval arms treaties to have jeep carriers and auxiliary fleet carriers already built that, in event of war, only required a short period in the yards to convert them to flattops and supplement the big fleet carriers. Note also that the US equivalent escort carriers (Sangamon) were converted oilers. + +>but the carriers for instance took nearly an hour to launch strikes because they didn't have non-dogshit elevators on the carriers and so the whole strike had to be brought up plane by plane, one at a time, to prep it for launch, while American carriers could launch in half that time +What the actual fuck am I reading? Please, for the love of God, read Shattered Sword. The US was a fucking basket case when it came to deck operations in 1942. The IJN pioneered this before the war even started. They got strikes off far faster than the USN did. The US was not at any point in 1942 or 1943 launching full strike packages in 30 minutes. + +>Not to mention that Japanese crews were hyperspecialized and many had no idea how to do damage control +This is partially true, but it's more true that what killed the Japanese carriers at Midway (taking hits with armed and fueled aircraft onboard) would kill any carrier. Franklin and Bunker Hill both took far less serious hits with aircraft on board, but both were gutted and out of the war. On the Japanese side you have Shokaku taking 4-6 much heavier bombs, yet still making it home to be repaired and returned to action in 3 months. The only carrier in the war I know of that was hit harder and lived was Illustrious. There's other IJN ships that suffered heavy damage but made it home. +--- 57912488 +>>57910243 +>assuming the long lances didn't just explode due to being incredibly volatile +You're behind the times. Chokai's torpedo launchers and facilities are all intact and pristine. They could be detonated by bomb hits or extended exposure to fire, but literally what ammunition or fuel source wouldn't have been? Long Lances did pretty well in the Solomons attriting basically every heavy cruiser in the US and Australian inventory. + +>their gunnery sucked and their fire control in particular was terrible +Sounds like all you know about the IJN is what you read in Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors. Essentially, when sailors that haven't slept and have been subjected to constant air attack and submarine attack for 3 straight days finally find enemy surface forces. In that context, it's a miracle Yamato hit Gambier Bay to begin with. Compare to the Solomons, when they were doing time-on-target attacks and landing main battery hits on US cruisers simultaneously with their torpedoes hitting the US formation. Even at the end of the Solomons campaign, they were still better at night-time gunnery than the US was. Surface radar was not yet at the point where it could provide the entire firing solution to US guns. It could give range, but bearing still had to be determined visually to be accurate enough for a gun solution, and US fire directors regularly blinded themselves with their own gun flashes. + +>>57910266 +>Also Japanese AAA was godawful +Comparable to the US in the early war, which is really the only period that mattered. By late war (the US didn't have proximity fuzes until the Guadalcanal campaign was decided), even if the Japanese magically had USN-tier AAA on their ships they would still lose. The absolutely obscene amount of US carriers and aircraft they carried were something that the Japanese could never overcome, no matter how qualitatively good their ships and equipment were. +--- 57913204 +>>57908378 +Wokou Pirates are different, they gathered in huge fleets with thousands and even tens and thousands of men thanks to chaos in Japan and the Chinese sea-travel bans fucking up the livelihood of Coastal Chinese/Japanese communities. + +The problem became way worse when the Ming Dynasty fell in the 1640s and the Manchus invaded. The entire ex-Ming navy went rogue and was ruled by Koxinga, an ex-admiral turned pirate. He commanded such a massive force that he was able to challenge Europeans openly and take one of their colonies (Fort Zeelandia in Dutch Formosa). +--- 57913514 +ITT: Seething /pol/cel weeb chuds defending their beloved tranime nation +--- 57913549 +>>57911688 +> ‘offered his daughter ie whored her out per japanese tradition +> still get curbstomped by koreans a decade later despite 5:1 population advantage + +Lmfao +--- 57913572 +Ww2 pacific theatre: + +US 50k killed +Japs 3+ million killed and would have been a complete genocide if not giving up like bitches + +That’s all anybody remembers from that part of the war +--- 57913642 +>>57913549 +>still get curbstomped by koreans a decade later despite 5:1 population advantage +And then the Japs subjugated your country. I don't see how you think you're above them when they quite literally took over your nation later. +--- 57914913 +>>57897473 +>Wako pirates diff --git a/k/57897489.txt b/k/57897489.txt index 0f27650a6eeac98219bf86aca10b8370c83a3a23..6217f6ee61abc690e7a4118e01a66478324e1715 100644 --- a/k/57897489.txt +++ b/k/57897489.txt @@ -85,3 +85,184 @@ Ai? A.G. Russell Wharncliffe Swayback Jack https://agrussell.com/knife/A-G-Russell-Wharncliffe-Swayback-Jack--RUS-IJ13S +--- 57905421 +>>57899936 +Your knives are nice, but they are too expensive for me. + +Are these pictured better grip-wise? + +>>57899997 +I have a fixed blade dagger, but now I want something inconspicuous or rather casual looking, with a degree of practicality. +--- 57906193 +>>57905421 +those are better gripwise, although i would say it's better for the butt to be more flat than pointed +--- 57906325 +>>57898708 +Looks like a swell knife for openeing packets/bockses +--- 57906370 +>>57897489 (OP) +that man is way too fat to carry all those knives on his belt +those pants are in serious danger of just sliding down +--- 57906420 +Is the SEAF MK2 all hype? + +Seems to be CPM154 don't know if this is made by Dauntless or half face blades +--- 57906590 +My new fishing knife what do you think? +--- 57906594 +>>57906420 +>$500 for a 4" dagger in memesteel +>Sells out in an instant because every keyboard commando wants one on his desk +Do you really need to ask? +--- 57906667 +>>57906590 +How the hell are you gonna catch fish with that knife? +Get a fishing pole, buddy +--- 57906864 +>>57906590 +i like the fishmeat-like scales + +>>57906420 +at this pricepoint you are just paying for pedigree so you can show the other dudes that you're a true pseudo-OPER8TOR +--- 57906925 +post tacticool +--- 57906947 +Bud finished this recently, very exciting. Do you guys like cool knives or are we gonna look at the same rotation of mainstream shit? +--- 57906950 +>>57906925 +I like your Emersons fren +--- 57907082 +>>57906667 +>he doesn't knifefight large catfish in his local lake +ngmi +--- 57907224 +why the fuck do so many crkt folding knives have two things you need to do to open or close the knife? why would anyone want this? +--- 57907283 +>>57907224 +I'm not a huge CRKT fan, but I will say that their dual locking systems are fine once you get used to them. +--- 57907967 +>>57907224 +it's for trailer-dwelling camo trucker hat guys who want a strong lock because they have knife combat fantasies, but refuse to pay for anything above liner/frame locks +--- 57908243 +>>57907967 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MxCDbAW638 [Embed] +--- 57908357 +>>57908243 +>useless American knife cannot even baton a can of tuna! +--- 57908767 +>>57906925 + +Love the Pacific, I got a kydex made up by Grommet's Leathercraft because I can never stand those ballistic nylon sheathes. It was pretty much the only company I could find that would make them. Usually I use A.Z.Welke or a smaller guy under the name 7rattlesbushcraft. +--- 57909615 +>>57906594 +>CPM154 +>memesteel +--- 57910358 +>>57897898 +>The issue with op pic is completely described in how the man is standing. +Yes, people who push the shopping cart with their wrists or elbows are life undeserving of life. +--- 57910610 +>>57906925 +--- 57910787 +>>57898817 +>Being that into knives in public, to me, just means "I'm a very armed felon". + +i learned this is a thing from kali muscle. him and all of his felon buddies just carry knives everywhere they go because he can't carry a gun. negro still thinks he's in prison. I haven't seen his videos lately but I wouldn't be surprised if hes dead by now. +--- 57910825 +>be me +>going to range innawoods +>stop at Walmart to buy earplugs for younger sibling +>had a machete on belt because the path can get overgrown since nobody really maintains it regularly +>nobody says anything to me +--- 57910876 +This bevel is thinner than what I'm used to. I cant believe this knife chips so much. Its gonna be fun to resharpen this +>pic related +>CRKT TSR + +>>57906420 +Goddamn, what a joke. $900 on ebay. Just buy a gun at that point + +>>57906590 +Nice. Post the first fish you catch and clean with it + +>>57906947 +That's some clean work your bud did. What's the blade steel and the handle materials? How does it flip? +--- 57910896 +>>57910825 +Based Walmart Machete bro + +>>57910819 +Cringe Urban SAK user +--- 57910939 +>>57897489 (OP) +What's the knife type called where it springs out of the casing upwards and then goes back down and hides inside of the case? +--- 57911130 +>>57897489 (OP) +>When are you ever going to need a knife in a space figh...ACK! + +What is the best combat knife for space Spartans? +--- 57911255 +Fl anon, do constitutional carry laws cover knives? We're getting one come July. +--- 57911291 +>>57897489 (OP) +>Does carrying an oversized knife mean that you have a tiny dick? + +Me: It definitely does. + +Picrel is also me +--- 57911516 +>>57897489 (OP) +Is the Benchmade SOCP fixed blade a total meme? Looking at it for a carry blade to stick in my pants +--- 57911541 +>>57911516 +It's fine in its intended use case of being stuck in the MOLLE loops on your plate carrier, but if you just want something pointy for stabbing your way out of a grapple then there are more reasonable options +--- 57911554 +>>57897489 (OP) +spyderco paramilitary 2 +--- 57911566 +>>57911541 +I've also been looking at Kabar TDIs and some clinch picks. Thoughts? +--- 57911599 +>>57911566 +Yeah, one of those would be fine. +--- 57911776 +>>57911516 +>>57911566 +all 3 of those choices are solid as last ditch stabberino devices. i don't like the SOCP since there is like a 99.9% chance i would just use my knife to do EDC shit and never stab someone anyway +--- 57911821 +>>57911776 +>he doesn't have a second knife just for stabbing people +--- 57912165 +>>57911821 +i can understand having a big knife and small knife while doing stuff like camping, but the EDC'er "muh polite knife, and muh killing knife" thing is truly peak-level knife autism +--- 57912314 +>>57912165 +"muh leatherman that gets abraded to shit on cardboard and shit" & "muh razor sharp hobo-stabbing knife that never clears leather unless it's going to draw blood" +--- 57912371 +>>57910610 + +What's the Ryu like? Debating on getting one to add to the massive pile of knives I barely use and that was always a nice looking one to me. +--- 57912379 +>>57911255 +Sometimes knife laws can be wildly different than gun laws. I don’t know Florida’s laws on it specifically but I recommend looking into it. +--- 57912489 +>>57911255 +Not sure if they're covered in that, though if they've got constitutional carry they're likely to be pretty lax on knife laws. Check your states laws just to be sure +--- 57912687 +Regarding hobo stabbers; out of all the knives I own (besides folding ones) they're the ones I carry most because I live in a high crime city and liked the concept of a 'gtfo me'/'weapon retention' knife EDC boors constantly go on about to pair up with your CCW. The ones I have are fairly expensive though so losing 200-300 dollars to an evidence locker if I had to use one is a cost I'm gonna have to eat. + +Auxiliary Manufacturing, Offensive Industries, Milmak, Sosby, Bastinelli, Joe Watson, Gregg Moffatt, Tracker Dan and many others all make excellent small fixed blades for that purpose but with price tags. The cheaper options I rotate in between some of the aforementioned I own are a CRKT Minimalist Katana with Flytanium scales (highly recommended), CRKT Obake for its thinness and that epoxy resin grip and a Schrade Sharpfinger because I figured it was good enough for Sonny Barger to fuck people up with and they're so cheap I wanted to practice Jap-Wrapping and putting a second edge on them. +--- 57913640 +>>57909615 +--- 57914421 +>>57912371 +it feels great in hand. the blade has a very sturdy/thick kind of geometry despite being somewhat slicey. Niolox is similar to D2 or S30V so you can't go full retard with it, but it can still do bushcrafty things if you had to. i haven't had the heart to beat it up yet though. +--- 57914819 +>>57897489 (OP) +>>57899063 +>>57899974 +>When you see it you'll shit bricks +FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF +--- 57914823 +>>57906947 +Wharnecliff/sheepsfoot edges are the best blade geometry. Very nice diff --git a/k/57897830.txt b/k/57897830.txt index 18049fb360fad464184f45603cfa81078241a006..d46b952fb32615163896d7577c34ce2c8743d014 100644 --- a/k/57897830.txt +++ b/k/57897830.txt @@ -25,25 +25,14 @@ so is the faggot shit infesting patch threads some elaborate bait or has /k/ rea --- 57898816 >>57898802 How can you be into this type of stuff and look your dad in the eye at the same time ---- 57898951 ->>57898812 -unironically tranny redditors -I'm assuming some of those discord nigger trannys figured that if they just spammed ookraine threads daily for nine months and called everyone who found that tiresome vatniks that they could drive off all of the people who actually own guns -it seems like it's worked, unfortunately --- 57898953 >>57898812 its some elaborate troll fueled on by 1 or 2 crippling autists. Mods appear to be in on it too. Sad! ---- 57899069 ->>57898953 -you made a collage of those posts. --- 57899112 >>57899069 >doesn't know about the archive search redditor fucking confirmed. get the fuck out. ---- 57899141 ->>57899112 -whats wrong with reddit? --- 57899171 >>57899104 I never knew gay people were so patriotic and redpilled @@ -87,11 +76,6 @@ your post got deleted cuase you don't fit in. --- 57900831 >>57897830 (OP) i once again ask you where i can cop the blue /k/ patch. already have the standard od ones ---- 57900884 ->>57897856 -fpbp -sage tranny shit -report me again you pathetic freak --- 57901510 >>57899768 and? nothing wrong with that. still repping badger. his latest patches on reddit are pretty cool and there is nothing you can do about it @@ -145,9 +129,6 @@ If you listen to the audio, it sounds like a man --- 57902391 >>57898802 Based ---- 57902410 ->>57899709 -Wow, a /k/ jannie that's an insufferable faggot. Shocked. --- 57902421 >>57898134 Nice one. @@ -156,6 +137,170 @@ Nice one. >she >kill yourself and it's Greek Lizard ---- 57902754 ->>57900831 -She cute. +--- 57903831 +>>57901867 + +>>57902434 is right that's greek lizard, it's cool + +>>57902045 +>>57901960 +Rhodie brushstroke is even more based. What Price Glory sells repros, and fireforce ventures does runs every now and then. +--- 57903848 +>>57903831 +I think the catchpa is telling me to buy a ppk and pretend to be agent 004 +--- 57904171 +So is there no good place to get vidya patches anymore? +--- 57904294 +>>57899141 +--- 57904298 +>>57897830 (OP) +kill yourself faggot +--- 57904508 +Why is this thread filled with fags and anime. +--- 57904521 +>>57904508 +where do you think you are? +--- 57904544 +>>57897830 (OP) +It’s sad to see another general taken over +--- 57904590 +>>57904508 +probably something to do with this. +--- 57904599 +>>57904508 +>anime +4chan +>fags +Demoralization or just plain fags being annoying +--- 57904729 +>>57898812 +>>57898951 +>>57898953 +Filtered, lizard-brains. + +Also, patch idea. +>Captcha: MAGNUM +--- 57904827 +>>57904820 +damn i posted unrotated pic +--- 57904839 +>>57904294 +He's playing dumb +--- 57904921 +>>57904071 +please kys +--- 57905244 +>>57898812 +Spamming the same unfunny joke is a zoomer trend and its ruined every board. I don't understand how there are so many people that just go to threads to post the exact same spam they always do for years now. Mods don't even use 4chan and just stay in their own discords. It's really gone to shit. +--- 57905778 +New thread, same spam +--- 57905831 +>>57905778 +actually looks relatively cleaned up for once +--- 57905874 +>>57905831 +because I think enough anons have finally had enough of the bullshit. +--- 57906054 +>>57904590 +>a PNG +>of locked inflammatorily-written thread +>about some vague all-encompassing plot +>with no visible replies or reply-count +>from God-knows-where +>posted in 2021 +Anon... +--- 57906964 +>>57904827 +receiving error trying to buy from your site saying that "This store isn't taking orders right now.", send help +--- 57906971 +>>57906838 +While I understand the frustration, it looks like the thread is actually getting cleaned up. Posting your own bans is likely just going to get you banned again for "complaining about 4chan.". I'm just happy they've started to pay attention. These things take time and the jannies are starting to come around I think +--- 57906975 +I repost this request over and over because PK told me to remind him otherwise he'd forget and he already supplied restocks for the ones crossed out +--- 57907061 +>>57906964 +sorry man my first post got deleted for some reason, and i didn't see it +i'm reopening tomorrow morning +--- 57907073 +>>57907061 +Glad you're still alive +--- 57907083 +>>57907061 +all good, I will be buying the hell out of the one you just posted tomorrow morning then anon +--- 57907165 +>>57907061 +We've had too many good merchants close recently, good to see you back. +You never told me if you got your damn boots. I just want closure man. Don't even care if you blew it on vodka, tell me a good story. +--- 57907331 +>>57907061 +Including your URL is generally frowned upon as "advertising". +--- 57907456 +>>57906766 +>>57906838 +Maybe. Still, getting jimmies rustled over some fucking random JPG isn't healthy either. And not every provocative post has necessarily some unironic nefarious agenda. +Personally I think it's mostly old-fashioned trolling and consider the bait to be fairly obvious. Stop falling for it. +--- 57907500 +>>57902132 +everyone has an adam's apple retard, it came free with your fucking hyroid cartilage +--- 57907537 +>>57907073 +glad to hear you guys are still around +>>57907083 +based +>>57907165 +my man i'm gonna disappoint you, i got myself brand new lowas in coyote this time thanks to you +as i said before please shoot me your address on my e-mail and i'll send you my new patches, that's the least i can do to show my gratitude +you're insanely based +>>57907331 +huh didn't know that, i guess you learn your wohole life +--- 57908209 +>>57908100 +you really ruined it all. You know that right? +--- 57908301 +>>57908295 +I told you all to ignore and report but nope. You stupid fagguettes responded every time. You got what you fucking deserved. +--- 57908338 +lol +--- 57908543 +Lmfao these threads are a total disaster +--- 57910396 +>>57908301 +I’m sorry what’s the message here? People that call out the bullshit get banned and the spammer changes IPs like four times since your post eventually maybe getting deleted as well? + +Sounds like a great plan. +--- 57910419 +>>57910396 +1087 +--- 57910740 +>>57910084 +Please tell me you don't wear that backpack outside. +--- 57910834 +>>57910740 +don't even bother. report for trolling and move on. +--- 57910866 +>>57897830 (OP) +someone make a Waco themed patch that says "We Ain't Comin' Out" +--- 57911006 +Something something on topic maybe? Thanks Adam! Glad I could snag the last few. +--- 57911371 +>>57899648 +uh no, it's been happening long before that, and 90% of the piggie posters on /k/ are all board tourist and non-americans. +--- 57911931 +We now have Ye24 stickers too +https://animetobaccofirearms.com/?product=ye-24-sticker +--- 57912436 +Holy shit what happened to this thread? I took a break from this general for about a year and now it seems completely dead. The patch threads used to be the most frequented on this board. +--- 57913340 +>>57911371 +cultured patch, very nice +--- 57913456 +>>57913340 +patch idea +--- 57913801 +>>57911931 +based +--- 57914174 +>>57906975 +quit Being a retarded faggot, if PK told you to suck his dick I guess you would. Unless you're PK doing shitty advertising , then suck your own dick. +--- 57914435 +store is open! diff --git a/k/57897843.txt b/k/57897843.txt index 3c0147234508742eb6753bc92dc9024de129d6b0..48ea80e825b9ac583a99a7b1257e67147c20f188 100644 --- a/k/57897843.txt +++ b/k/57897843.txt @@ -184,3 +184,36 @@ Which one do you have? Was looking at the Turbo K but saw they came out with the Turbo T2. It's an absolutely fantastic can, very quiet (for 5.56) when paired with a good AGB. Sounds like a gassy 22lr. Rugged, etc. My main issues arise when I pair it with a binary trigger and breath in vaporized hoppes. Otherwise at a moderate rate of fire the gas is smelly but manageable. I've heard the turbo k has significantly less back pressure but I was new to cans and was chasing decibels. If you're new too, get used to dirty guns. It's rarely talked about but even withy piston guns carbon fills every nook and cranny. Ended up going from USGI mags to pmag just because they're easier to clean. +--- 57905233 +>>57903135 +>>demographic information +? yeah? F4 wants your race/ethnicity. Ask congress. +--- 57906272 +>>57897843 (OP) +Yes +--- 57907310 +>>57897843 (OP) +wait until end of the month at this point and see what the hux announcement is before making any decisions +--- 57908807 +>>57907310 +can i get a quick rundown pls? +--- 57910014 +>>57908807 +no particular rundown beyond that in some emails and employee comments last month iirc they said they were going to have some stuff to announce end of april or early may. dunno if thats still on but since they make arguably the best or one of the best 556 cans and it's only a few weeks away and a can is a long ass wait/purchase might be worth waiting to see what it is. +--- 57910147 +>>57910014 +Ok ty, it might be their 6.5/308(maybe?) suppressor first seen here : https //soldiersystems net/2022/05/10/mdm-22-fn-america-mrgg +--- 57910333 +>>57910147 +yah people have been speculating about a "flow308k" or the like for awhile. but i know they also said for the 556k they were working on how to make a removable core. so that if it was somehow damaged they could repair it without needing a new can. even with zero better performance that'd be cool. +--- 57910379 +>>57910333 +i hadn't heard about that, I would like to have direct thread printed cans, saving a little bit of added length/weight would be nice. +--- 57913521 +>>57897928 +>hover over some states +>guy has a 4 day stamp (PA, 230th guy) +WHAT? +--- 57913762 +>>57913521 +boots getting PCS'd get their shit expedited and fell like bragging. diff --git a/k/57897926.txt b/k/57897926.txt index 9d91b0b804c1ad3094032070e04936fbb7753e20..d8544d719f8e783142479c201f7a88de47b1beb7 100644 --- a/k/57897926.txt +++ b/k/57897926.txt @@ -153,3 +153,190 @@ There is no “west” and no “east”, the world is globalized. The kompromat guys are not the same guys putting sims 3 copies on domestic terrorist paraphernalia spreads, that's the one and only thing Russia and the USSR before it has actually been consistently good at. Cultivating radicals in free societies is something Russia does better than anyone else. --- 57903469 Good. Israel and Gulf Arab monarchies can fuck off. +--- 57904775 +>>57901802 +Yeah, I'm sure it'll work as well as the "blumpf is secretly a KGB agent" conspiracy theory you retards ran with. +--- 57904784 +>>57903410 +>Tucker Carlson is a radical +You reaize more Democrat voters watch Tucker than any of your retarded radical leftist pundits on CNN or MSNBC, right? +--- 57905533 +>>57897926 (OP) +What? Are they going to fly these into Israeli airspace? Does israel not have a shitload of SAM and detectors in place? +--- 57905965 +>>57899500 +He probably meant that Iran provides tranny healthcare for free, and it's socially encouraged somewhat because trannies > homos +--- 57906136 +>>57897949 +R-37M outranges Amraams. +Although that's very simplistic and ignores that the F-35 is stealth. +This is in the frame of Israel vs Iran with Israel striking Iranian nuclear facilities. + +>>57897994 +I'm pretty sure the Radars are Irbis-E which are some of the most powerful PESA radars out there, they're not used on the MiG-29M's which use the Zhuk-ME. +Egypt didn't buy them due to CAATSA. + +>>57898058 +Nah that's generous to say it's equivalent. This sounds like a ChatGPT response though as Israel has been evading S-400 in Syria for quite some time now. +--- 57906229 +>What happens now + +F-35I vs Su-35 kino +--- 57906302 +>>57902989 +>It’s not some sort of world war clash of civilizations scenario. +>There is no “west” and no “east”, the world is globalized. +The official russian media was bragging on day 2 about finally ending the US hegemony and muh multipolar world, as all the third world shills here keep doing. +--- 57906347 +>>57906136 +>R-37M outranges Amraams. + +Imagine trusting vatnik claims. S-400 was supposed to have 400km range and make air force obsolete. +--- 57906355 +>>57906229 +If you count F-35 slaughtering them as kino +--- 57906367 +>>57901857 +Tucker realized news is bullshit when Jon Stewart did that drive by attack on crossfire? I think it was and buried his career for a bit. The guy who opened for muppets making crank phone calls was a more trusted source of news. The current tuck you see is just punished tuck doing news entertainment for trumptards because it makes money. +--- 57906373 +>>57906347 +R-37M's have been used in Ukraine successfully at reducing the Ukies ability to conduct air ops. +RuAF has been lobbing them from Russian airspace and can reduce UAF effectiveness. + +That clearly means something. Obviously I don't buy Russia's claims of it's 6,000,000 mile range or whatever, but even America admits the Amraam is falling behind and is wanting to get the Aim-260 in service sooner. +--- 57906429 +>>57904775 +>ignoring all of the russian-linked 'advisors' he's surrounded by +>ignoring the fact that he only got away with things due to crying executive priveledges +>ignoring the fact that he constantly uses russian/moscow talking points in his speeches +>ignoring that he got the republicans to abandon their stance on Russia in the convention +>ignoring that he trusted Putin more than his own intelligence agencies when it came to election interference, which he was wrong about +>ignoring that one of his chief advisors went to jail for being a foreign agent +>ignoring that he allowed Russia's top spy into the oval office for a 'closed meeting' +>ignoring basic and obvious realities that he's in bed with the Russian mafia along with all of the other right wingers that keep their money safe in South Dakota Banks + +Sure sure though, he was never charged so I guess you're right. +--- 57906477 +>>57906229 +>F-35I vs Su-35 kino +>kino +>its just a bunch of Su-35s getting btfod from bvr +--- 57906685 +>>57906429 +trannycrats investigated a lie they themselves made up, hoping that it would coincidentially happen to be true +It's impossible to overstate how retarded that is +--- 57906718 +>>57906229 +What angle? F35 view point would be boring for anyone other than intel, Su35 POV would just be calmly waiting for rapid onset death, and ground might be the most interesting as Su35s become fireballs. +--- 57906753 +>>57901736 +Russia purposely never turned on those systems against Israeli jets to avoid escalation. +--- 57906765 +>>57906429 +You're delusional. Seek help. +--- 57906808 +>>57897949 +>>57897926 (OP) +Each new warplane for Iran means additional danger for Israel if they will try to run a little solo strike campaign, and can result more dead Israeli pilots. Which is always a good thing. +--- 57907000 +>>57906355 +Getting completely mogged is a kino all its own. +--- 57907245 +>>57906136 +>most powerful PESA +>PESA +Yeah that's not even good by 4th gen standards. +--- 57907288 +>>57897926 (OP) +>What happens now? +The countries around buy more F35 and Rafale +--- 57907860 +>>57907245 +You'd be surprised. It's orc-style "brute force" type radar. +read >>57898088 +and +https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/why-russia-s-air-force-loves-the-su-35-s-irbis-e-radar-a-detailed-look-at-the-sensor-suite-built-to-hunt-stealth-fighters +>The Irbis-E is the considered world’s most powerful passive electronically scanned array radar deployed on a fighter-sized aircraft, and is challenged only by AESA radars such as those on American jets such as the F-22 or F-15EX or on Chinese fighters such as the J-16 or J-15B. The radar is today considered the third most powerful in the Russian inventory of those integrated onto aircraft built for air to air combat, with the Su-57 fighter’s AESA radar and the MiG-31 Foxhound’s much larger Zaslon-M phased array radar considered to be more powerful. The Irbis-E is thought to have been designed with combat against stealth aircraft in mind - much as the Su-35 was designed specifically to counter the American F-22 stealth fighter. + +Whilst I strongly doubt it's claims against 5th gens (it can probably still detect them but probably when it's too late), it will definitely throw a spanner in the works for a conventionally Strike-Eagle based bombing run from Israel like Operation Wooden Leg. + +They'd need to have F-35's go the long way round, carrying only internal weaponry with enough A2A missiles for self defence and bombs/missiles for groundwork (unless they've got permission from Saudi/Iraq which is highly unlikely) and be aerial refuelled far enough way to avoid Iranian airspace +250 miles, +--- 57908044 +>>57897926 (OP) +They explode in the hanger because Israel isn't looking for a fair fight. +--- 57909140 +>>57906136 +>R-37M outranges Amraams. + +**according to Russian MOD +--- 57909995 +>>57909140 +If they can target Ukie jets from across the Russian border then yes there is some credence towards Russian claims on it's range. + +Making rockets go far isn't impossible. +--- 57910028 +>>57909140 +>inb4 soft kill +If it denies Ukie airforce the ability to operate effectively then it's a win. +--- 57910242 +>>57906808 +Solo strike? That's for conventional ballistic missiles. Flying that far for either nation is an act of desperation. Iran is much further than Iraq neither have serious airborne power projection. Tankers are just too easy to kill so easy to see why they've few of them. + +Iran should normalize conventional ballistic missile warfare both for convenient effectiveness and to force the US to take ubiquitous missile defense seriously. Conventional MIRV over Tel Aviv and Tehran would be lulzy and Iran has no conventional targets Israel could decisively cripple to defeat it. Israel is tiny while Iran could casually lose millions and replace them with more in a few years, having a vast young breeding stock. + +>>57907860 +Range is the major limfac and without strategic bombers Israeli throw weight is bupkis. 251 fighters doesn't mean 251 flyable on any given day though about 210 is reasonable. Only ten tankers is a major restriction. Figure seven or eight flyable because inspections and maintenance since they're good at aviation but only seven max jet tankers and other missions for the KC-130s (better suited to helicopter support) means many tanker sorties and more complex/awkward mission planning. + +It's about 2K miles to Tehran and what government would be retarded enough to permit overflight? Maybe Jordan but that means no place for tankers and no place for damaged or malfunctioning birds to divert. +--- 57910268 +>>57897949 +Against their neighbors like Azerbaijan and Gulf Arab states, yeah, it absolutely will. Against the US? Absolutely not lol. +--- 57910386 +>>57902989 +There’s the civilized world and the hideous ghoul of Global South nipping on its heels. +--- 57910420 +>>57906373 +R-37 seems to be one of the very rare post-soviet era weapons projects of Russia that actually ended up creating a good weapon for its purpose. God only knows if it would help anything about actual air war against modern western aviation (probably not), but in Ukraine’s case, it’s doing its job pretty strongly. +--- 57910443 +>>57897926 (OP) +>Iran invades Iraq in a year or two +>all of a sudden the Islamic lunatics in Iraq become 'brave freedom fighters' all over again, and start receiving billions in funding and billions more in equipment and weapons from NATO countries +It worked so well in the past, of course they'll try it again. +--- 57911540 +>>57910242 +Like I said, they just about managed wooden leg with F-15's, they could maybe manage going around the Arabian peninsula in F-35's, refueling over Arabian sea and striking before rushing back before anyone clocks them. + +Either that, or maybe they could thread the needle across the Syrian/Jordan border for a more direct route and then use standoff ACLM's for the last bit. + +>>57910420 +Yeah it's almost a completely fluke tbf, but it's from their doctrine of just lobbing shit at high speed from a distance pioneered with the MiG-31. + +It absolutely would not stand up against 5th Gens, which are substantially harder to detect or jets armed with AESA + PL-15/Meteor/AIM-260 as they can shoot back. + +Definitely a force multiplier for Iran though. + +>>57910443 +Iran doesn't need too, it has a strong enough influence through Shia clerics in Iraq already. With the right funding an Iraq based proxy government could be installed via democratic vote. +--- 57911591 +>>57897926 (OP) +Russia can't even afford to give back the Indian tanks they had for repairs back to India. +I very much doubt they can afford to just gift away fighter jets. +--- 57911602 +>>57901802 +Tucker isn't on any Russian payroll. Tucker works for fox news. His role is to attract viewers and earn them money. +MTG is an attention whore, and if she ever steps foot in my country, I'll rob her. +--- 57911624 +>>57910420 +It was designed in the Soviet Union tho +--- 57911990 +>>57906765 +They aren't delusional they've betrayed us. For partisan reasons. Reinforced by a "media" company told them things and their "social" feed confirmed it all for them. +--- 57912145 +>>57897926 (OP) +>Russia is giving Iran some shitty garbage that even they don't want to field in Ukraine +>This changes eberything!!!111 +click the X in the corner of the window and stop reading warhawk propaganda +--- 57912554 +>>57897926 (OP) +> 2 Su-35S multirole aircraft: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) +Why are we supposed to fear this again? diff --git a/k/57898240.txt b/k/57898240.txt index 411c82764b731b729f0dabe7d6c18c2c5c04f606..1c99c875822822303a4dea940b2d27503cfe35e7 100644 --- a/k/57898240.txt +++ b/k/57898240.txt @@ -446,3 +446,216 @@ Better luck next time VATNIGGER >>57898240 (OP) Anything is possible when your high command and intelligence are as selfish, delusional, and incompetent as that of the Arabs. And by anything I mean T-34 obr 2023. Screencap. +--- 57903677 +>>57902502 +>I think they just expected the Ukrainians to melt away once the shooting started and ended up finding out the hard way how willing and prepared the Ukrainians would be. +Remember all their talks of "Little Russians", Ukraine not being a real country and how their misguided "brothers" will welcome the liberating armies? Russians looking down on Ukrainians bit them in the ass again and again. They genuinely despise and underestimate them even after reality slapped them in the face. It's the exact same reaction from Monke or the average retarded vatnik milblogger, they can't accept Ukraine being better than Russia at anything. That's why they keep repeating that shit about how they're facing all of NATO in Ukraine, it's the purest, instinctive form of denial. Their minds cannot accept any truth but "Russia will easily crush Ukraine XAXAXA". Their entire strategy was predicated upon that. +--- 57903700 +>>57903677 +>Remember all their talks of "Little Russians", Ukraine not being a real country and how their misguided "brothers" will welcome the liberating armies? +Pic related was posted in official russian media (RIA, RT, Sputnik) in Feb 24 and deleted a week later when their failure became obvious. +--- 57903720 +>>57903700 +I like to believe that if Monke didn't ghostwrite this pearl, he at least vetted it. +--- 57903735 +>>57903483 +>>57903539 +>>57903384 +All I could find was a Reddit link to the video. +https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t3mv0h/ukrainian_soldier_destroys_russian_propaganda/ +--- 57903752 +>>57901404 +The idea is that it's used in airborne deep operations the way you might see a Humvee or FAV going full TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO, but with more firepower and (nominal) protection, and for that sacrifices and compromises have to be made. Unfortunately for the VDV said nominal protection is questionable against even 7.62 and it seems the appearance of armor and a big gun is enough for their commanders to try and use them like heavier armor with disastrous results. +--- 57903763 +>>57903700 +remember all the vatniks fervently denying that this document ever existed? +I 'member +--- 57903794 +>>57903763 +Thankfully it got archived and now it exist as undeniable proof of the Kremlin's intentions about conquering Ukraine in a few days, and the obvious genocide they intended. + +https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html +--- 57903828 +Where can I find out more info on Chernihiv shenanigans? +--- 57903891 +>>57903794 +Shit like this is why I love the internet +--- 57903906 +>>57903584 +The man in this photo is only 14 +--- 57903918 +>>57903338 +lmao, I can't believe they wrote this +--- 57904239 +>>57903483 +>>57903539 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Cn8JvMLT8 [Embed] +--- 57904327 +>>57898240 (OP) +What a crap hole. +--- 57904408 +>>57904239 +propaganda tower upgrade compl-- +--- 57905313 +>>57900387 +Not necessarily just poor so much as corrupt +>officers overstate numbers on official records to get more funding for pay/equipment +>pocket the surplus +>withhold as much pay/equipment from the real soldiers as possible +>pocket the savings +>government now has a far smaller and weaker military than they've paid for and believe they have +It's an institutional rot dating back to the days of the Russian empire; how traditionalist of them +--- 57905708 +>>57902431 +>Mr. President, I hope you're ready for some mouthwatering Donbas. +>I thought we were steam rolling into Kiev. +>Oh no, I said 'steamed Kiev'. That's what I call the Donbas. +>You call the Donbas 'steamed Kiev'? +>Yes! It's a regional dialect. +>Uh-huh. Eh, what region? +>Uh...Leningrad Oblast. +>Really? Well I'm from Leningrad and I've never heard anyone use the phrase 'steamed Kiev'. +>Oh, not in Leningrad, no. It's a St. Petersburg expression. +>I see. +--- 57905991 +>>57898240 (OP) +>"IGOROVICH!" SECURE THE BLYATKING!" +--- 57906128 +>>57903416 +they also forgot that there is no way in living hell that they could ever conquer Switzerland. The entire nation is built as a bunker complex and the entire population is tied into defending the nation in one way or another. Their military specialises in one thing: delaying actions. Their terrain is almost uniquely suitable for that particular type of combat. A single man with 25 kgs of explosives can halt the advance of an armoured brigade for however long it takes for the fucked up russian logistical system to bring up engineering vehicles. Every single bridge, overpass and drainage ditch is rigged to blow. Every single road is covered by fortified positions. +Now tell me, how the FUCK are the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps and hope to get anywhere? +--- 57906144 +>>57903552 +yes but no nation wants to be laughed at by using fucking ISIS mobiles as their APCs, unless they are literally nigger-tier. +That being said, russia is pretty much nigger-tier, so they should probably just bite the bullet +--- 57906163 +>>57906128 +>the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps + +Sorry, I've just cum +--- 57906190 +>>57906163 +it would be a glorious fucking sendoff of that generation of tanks, that's for sure. Hannibal-style. +--- 57906234 +>>57906128 +>how the FUCK are the russians going to drive a bunch of T-72s into the fucking Swiss Alps and hope to get anywhere? +Easy, after the war when Russia is reduced to sub-1990s levels of poverty, bored millionaries will pay pidors for their last T-72s so they're used as part of their car collections, conversation pieces, or movie props. +--- 57906323 +>>57906234 +that would be the one way that would work, I'll give you that. but I wouldn't bet on the transmissions living very long lives in them there mountains. +--- 57906442 +>>57898911 +How do you not? I don't even know slav runes but I know a pharmacy when I see one. Do you happen to have one of those black-and-white signs at home which say "home" so you know you're at home? +--- 57906478 +>>57901576 +well, the difference is that there are suddenly holes inside of you and your buddies vs not +--- 57906486 +>>57906128 +>>57906163 +>They would lose half their army to attrition alone! +>The other half would desert! +>Do you expect the Swiss to welcome them when they arrive? +>I suppose he will bring with him an army of T-72s! +--- 57906528 +>>57906486 +R-romabros, I... +--- 57906666 +>>57901794 +>picrel +is that encouraging "free use" or is it more of "everyone and their babushka gets a chance to spank the naughty village kids" thing? +--- 57906789 +>>57902431 +Fuck you man. +--- 57907006 +>>57906486 +Kino Hannibal trailer +--- 57907335 +>>57903354 +Did you? He was agreeing with them +--- 57907385 +>>57898862 +This was the video for me. +lifting of the fog moment. +Even the soldiers look like they have no idea what the fuck is going on +--- 57907438 +>>57907385 +That was when it became evident that russians could bleed and be defeated, and everybody stopped fearing them. +--- 57907460 +>>57900332 +hehehe +--- 57907474 +>>57903523 +One half thought they're still in the military exercise. +Other half thought they're liberating ukies and everyone will welcome them with open arms. +--- 57907975 +>>57906666 +The latter. The villagers take turns using a switch on caught looters or collaborators, men and women alike. You can find videos relatively easily if you want, it’s pretty funny to see these old babushkas just wailing on some looter or whatever desu. +--- 57908032 +>>57898862 +the moment you realize that russia had no chance +--- 57908427 +>>57901684 +sheridan is cute +--- 57908527 +>>57902468 +>there was something magical about the first couple weeks +yeah, this powerful enchantment that affected the whole world for a dozen decades, this "rasha stronk" spell wore off in a matter of days for some and weeks/months for the rest. +vatniks are right when they propagate the coming of a new world order, just not in the way they'd like it to be i guess. the strong (chinks) will feast upon the flesh of the weak (r*ssoids) +--- 57908540 +>>57900332 +>>57903576 +>>57899407 +--- 57909144 +Why not +--- 57909154 +>>57903584 +>This is a Russian. He is fighting for AIDS. More AIDS. All the AIDS, basically. +--- 57910498 +>>57898240 (OP) +I know, right? That kerning's a war crime. +--- 57910711 +Most of those guys in the video are rotting in some mass grave around Bakmut. +NATO are fucking retards thinking they can win an attritional meatgrinder war against Russia. Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia like in WW1, it's not going to work. The Russians love this type of fight, and the best strategy is to not play the game. +--- 57910755 +>>57898240 (OP) +How many VDV soldiers died in this attack /k/? looks like from pics and videos there are two dead dismounts per vehicle and I assume based off BMD-2 wiki a dead driver and gunner. Which puts 4 per knocked out vehicle. VDV platoon is supposed to have 3 BMDs and 7 men a vehicle. Are they understrength? Or assigned extra vehicles so they could carry extra supplies and not cram as many people in 1?. I’d give an estimate 12 BMDs knocked out. Some of the angles could be of the same vehicles but 12 would be all of a VDV company or most depending the actual crew and dismount counts. +--- 57910769 +>>57910711 +>Most of those guys in the video are rotting in some mass grave around Bakmut. +>NATO are fucking retards thinking they can win an attritional meatgrinder war against Russia. Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia like in WW1, it's not going to work. The Russians love this type of fight, and the best strategy is to not play the game. +--- 57911142 +>>57902431 +>>57905708 +--- 57911169 +>>57902468 +>there was something magical about the first couple weeks. +I'm still mad that Ukraine couldn't bomb the stuck convoy to Kiev, i don't blame them though. +--- 57911204 +>>57903370 +Friendly reminder: Austria prouded themselves for being a neutral country during the cold war. Soviet plans for when they attack West Europe: Nuke all Vienna and all bigger military bases of Austria. +--- 57911269 +>>57900995 +Their commander must have said. +>They welcome you as liberators. +>Ukraine bitches will spread their legs for you. +Now, time for me to go back to Belarus and watch this from afar +--- 57913931 +>>57903338 +Why did they place Moscow around Pinsk? +--- 57914074 +>>57899269 +>because they're delusional retards +Technically the truth, but they also did Crimea before in very much that same manner, so they thought they were getting more of the same. + +That, or the idiots actually thought they were just doing military exercises like many Russians said they were right at the beginning of the war +--- 57914215 +>>57910711 +>Unless they can cause a revolution inside Russia +Funny that you should mention it. Some Russian ultranationalists are starting talk about revolution if the Kremlin ever accepts a ceasefire or peace deal at the current borders or worse. +--- 57914218 +>>57911169 +They just didn't have the equipment. Those A-10 pilots are still frothing at their mouths in their padded cells. +--- 57914239 +>>57910711 +>jumping head on into the incoming complete demographic collapse just to take some shitholes in Dombas (all in just 8 months, mind you!) +Do you want me to believe Ivans want to become Chinese vassals on purpose? diff --git a/k/57898729.txt b/k/57898729.txt index 137e1ecb268740f3bbf3d30d2738ab453b169d80..8b35f118162bf7f066f78f886a5ad7691627ff8a 100644 --- a/k/57898729.txt +++ b/k/57898729.txt @@ -101,3 +101,275 @@ Got dat stendo, boyeeee. >Make pistol grip and magazine out of as much lead as humanly possible while still being able to actually hold and shoot the pistol whole delaying hand-cancer for as long as possible >Load with graphite-tipped bullets made in chernobyl Tactical advantage? +--- 57904316 +>>57903586 +There's no graphite in Chernobyl, you're delusional. +--- 57904333 +>>57900140 +You can hit someone on the back of the head with a wheel idk +--- 57904344 +>>57902494 +Would I need a license for the conversion cylinders? Or at least a license to own a black powder revolver with the conversion cylinder? +--- 57904792 +>>57901488 +why would they remove the grips and put them in a seperate evidence bag +--- 57904794 +>>57898729 (OP) +I love these threads, posting what I have + +Anyone got that pic of a .22 short revolver and flare gun seized with a shitload of newports? +--- 57904880 +>>57902876 +Now I want a Crak-10 +--- 57904892 +This looks like it was once a mauser +--- 57904895 +>>57904344 +No license for the cylinder, assembled it would be a title one firearm and may require a license depending on your state. +--- 57904934 +>>57900140 +Not a bong, but my understanding is that a spoked wheel can have the spokes removed and turned into shivs by sharpening one and wrapping the other in tape. +--- 57905343 +>>57898729 (OP) +>US Police finds criminal with blockpowder weapon +This might be "weird" or "stupid" to the uninformed interne user, but it's actually VERY smart, a high IQ move, IF he guy is a convicted felon. + +>Be criminal. +>Commit felony. +>Is now Convicted Felon. +>Felons lose rights, like right to vote (you can regain eventually) and carrying a firearm. +>But Blackpowder weapons are not technically considered firearms, they are classified as "antiques". +>Therefore the only legal way for a convicted felon to protect himself is with a black powder 6 shooter. +This is super-smart, if the guy in question is a felon. + +Also in the same spirit, this works with canons too since they are also blackpowder weapons. +Meaning a literal CHILD can order a fucking Canon on the internet, not have to showany form of ID and have it home-delivered with zero paperwork whatsoever. + +Yes I'm somewhat jealous on these crazy laws americans have. The USA is not all bad, it still has some things going for it. +Bu not living in the USA is its own joy so I'm not that jealous. +--- 57905593 +even has a tactical flashlight +--- 57906731 +>>57904989 +Stylish, he did a pretty good job with the sticker wrap. +--- 57906777 +>>57905343 +Ca treats loaded blackpowder as a firearm. So if he is a felon hes going back to jail for violating parole. +Theres some stupidass assumptions forigners make about america like if you own a thing you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Cause its yours and that will be perfectly legal and you wont get arrested. This is false. +--- 57906855 +>>57901246 +>That insulated needle nose +Holy fuck that serviceman can't afford to feed himself tonight because he needs to replace them or die while at work. WTF coppers?!? +--- 57907177 +>>57898729 (OP) +--- 57907202 +>>57904316 +It was concrete you saw in the roof +--- 57907399 +>>57898785 +>>57901246 +>these are the people who act like they have 9000 iq because their measurements divide by 10 +--- 57907407 +>>57904892 +>mauser +>AK folding stock and trunnion +>A2 grip epoxied on +>no mag baseplate or it's damaged so let's tack on some random piece of sheetmetal +>M4 Carbine handguard +>somehow figured out how to use delta ring +>somehow figure out how to attach the cap +Can't tell front sight. Type 1/2/3 or RPK I think, not AKM? Might be wrong. +--- 57907440 +>>57898729 (OP) +Star Trek is banned in Britain. +--- 57907527 +>>57905593 +>fleshlight? +oh right. internet induced coom brain... +--- 57907532 +>>57901488 +>>57904792 +Because it's fake, retard. +--- 57907558 +>>57898729 (OP) +Some weapons handed over to the swedish police during an arms amnesty. +The were allegedly brought in by the widow of a collector who didn't have the paperwork to own any firearms. +Not the extremely rare curved pistol on the bottom right, that's a Hamilton pistol made for the Swedish army's 1907 pistol trials, only a handful were ever made. +Also note the Swedish K with the weird stock. That's a rare police-issue variant. +--- 57907666 +>>57907263 +how does he load it +--- 57907692 +>>57907666 +Meth magic! +Also, checked! +--- 57907980 +>>57898785 +Shitting on the British police was my favorite pastime before getting banned. +--- 57908002 +>>57907666 +Shouldn't be hard to get a pellet in under the scope +--- 57908228 +I know people say "literally 1984" a lot but england is literally 1984. I was in dublin for a bit and went to london because lol 20 dollar flight why not + +There was cameras fucking EVERYWHERE, bars on windows, reinforced fences and barbed wire, and every public space had these weird ass "BEHAVE YOURSELF WE'RE ALWAYS WATCHING!!!" signs everywhere. Outside of a few white boomers the people were all scowling and staring at their feet and refusing to make eye contact with anyone, probably the most oppressive atmosphere i've felt in any city and i've worked in inner city baltimore +--- 57908412 +>>57908228 +100% true. London is a dystopian shithole. +--- 57908555 +>>57908228 +yeah of course its 1984 thats where the book took place +--- 57908558 +>>57906777 +Ok all you have to do is carry shot and ball with you and learn to load quickly when you see your Ops. +--- 57908675 +>>57904963 +what shitty dirt weed. fuckin scrub +--- 57908917 +the hashtag #onelessgun is filled with stuff like this +--- 57909003 +>>57904344 +A revolver cylinder is not the registered firearm, its just a part, like a magazine. +I'm sure companies and retailers are aware felons and seedy people will buy the things to get around the laws, but I've never heard of anyone doing a background check on people before selling. +If anything, they might have a little checkbox or disclaimer waiving their responsibility if the purchaser does something stupid or illegal. +--- 57909098 +>>57898729 (OP) +Oh shit, they nabbed the outlaw Josey Wales. +--- 57909166 +>>57907399 +britbongs didn't invent the fucking metric system +in fact they were one of the last to fully adopt it +--- 57909193 +>>57907558 +>cool knuckleduster +>is that a flare gun at lower left? +--- 57909207 +>>57909166 +And yet they still act like multiplying by 2.54 is rocket surgery. +--- 57910395 +>>57904934 +Literal prison state if you're worried about your civilians manufacturing shivs +--- 57910990 +>>57907558 +>were allegedly brought in by the widow of a collector +I hate women so much it's unreal +--- 57911048 +>>57898729 (OP) +80 year old Finnish engineer built a belt-fed .22 machine gun, incorporating an electric hand drill into the design + +in actual tests conducted by the police the weapon fired at rate of 420 rounds a minute +--- 57911183 +>>57907558 +Love from Kazakhstan +--- 57911330 +>>57898881 +kek +--- 57911582 +>>57902876 +>that fucked up mac +>meth pipe +Yep that’s a tweaker +--- 57911728 +>>57906855 +Work vans and trucks commonly get robbed over there. +--- 57911739 +I guess this counts. The dude in KC shot that jogger at his front door with a fucking lemon squeezer in .32 S&W Short. That's why he's out of the hospital no worse for wear a couple days after getting shot in the head. +--- 57911768 +>>57907558 +Saddening. +>>57908228 +Magma carta my ass +>>57911739 +He should celebrate getting well so soon by having a lemon party. +--- 57911782 +>>57911739 +>.32 +Why is it so shit? +--- 57911816 +>>57903554 +>Irradiated bullets +>Even if you get it out you still get cancer +i-is this possible? +--- 57911822 +>>57902658 +Thank god law enforcement was there to confiscate a firearm. +--- 57911836 +>>57898729 (OP) +>officer sukhbir +hello sirs +--- 57911887 +>>57898881 +I'm still suprised that no gun company has introduced a .44 magnum revolver with a model name simply of "Big Iron". They've used every other dorky name for firearm product lines but not that one. +--- 57911924 +>>57898968 +I wouldn't expect the English to use anything else +--- 57911989 +>>57902658 +>So these guys carry BP cap and ball revolvers around thinking they're legally in the clear and then are surprised when the cops arrest them for it. Under state law a BP revolver is still a firearm when carried or used in a crime, just like any modern pistol. +The funny thing is that these clever guys are still clever guys because even if they get convicted of a felony for carrying a cap and ball revolver without a permit, as soon as they are back on the street they will just hop on the Cabelas website and buy another one. What does a conviction even matter when these guns are so easy to get? The only way to stop them from carrying is to put them in federal prison. + +Even when you try to regulate antique firearms they still arent regulated so whatever. +--- 57912005 +>>57911782 +.32 SW short is from 1878. +It makes .32 ACP look powerful. +--- 57912026 +>>57900140 +On council estates or whatever, places filled with black people, they hide weapons and stuff in public spaces, under hedges or unside bins or whatever for easy access when they want to idk whatever niggers on estates do + +Sometimes the police do 'weapons sweeps' which is essentially just glorified litter picking, and they go around searching public spaces for stuff like this and just take anything they find. + +It's not really a big deal. +--- 57912038 +>>57902876 +I'm pretty sure I saw the guy who made this on youtube. He got raided, was out on bail, and started shitposting about the "the ninjas sending him to space camp". If it wasn't him, then it was another crazy tweaker gunsmith with an identical gun. +--- 57912063 +>CTRL-f +>Tyrese +>0/0 +you have forgotten the face of your fathers +--- 57912129 +>>57911048 +>in actual tests conducted by the police the weapon fired at rate of 420 rounds a minute +Blazin' +--- 57912764 +>>57907558 +Can anyone ID the single-shot pistol with the revolver grip? +--- 57912796 +>>57907527 +Bro they really aren't that great. Maybe the autosucker 9000s are but the ones i tried werent +--- 57912808 +>>57907440 +BRITONS HAVE NO HONOUR +--- 57912833 +Classic +--- 57912836 +>>57912063 +I was in that thread. Seeing it over and over again doesn't make me laugh. +--- 57913047 +>>57912764 +Looks like it's similar to a Lasserre Super Comanche. Sights different but damn close. The shotgun bead sight is odd however. Couldn't be a short barrel shotgun, could it? I mean, there's no rear sight... +--- 57913066 +>>57908917 +>blunt square nails in a nail club +I... +--- 57913135 +>>57907980 +kek +--- 57913342 +>>57913047 +I've got a black super Comanche in .410 that's pretty similar +I assume it's just a fancier stainless/wood model +--- 57914227 +>>57912854 +Are the condoms for when you stick the grip in the magwell? +--- 57914290 +>>57912854 +For when you don't even know the front of a receiver from the back +--- 57914361 +>>57912854 +Aussie here, that was a gelsoft blaster they butchered +--- 57915111 +>>57911739 +>you will never have a .38/.357 concealed carry revolver with a grip safety +why even live diff --git a/k/57898857.txt b/k/57898857.txt index 8244951e065c3a1f289fc00c05b251427a28d91d..7882269bbcdc3c578e26baf3476c0b165876581a 100644 --- a/k/57898857.txt +++ b/k/57898857.txt @@ -269,3 +269,52 @@ LATENCY >In October 2012, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) stated that the LEMV project was 10 months behind schedule due to a combination of factors, including issues with fabric production, foreign components being cleared through customs, and the impact of adverse weather conditions. >In a statement made by a US Army Space and Missile Defense Command spokesperson, the cancellation was a result of technical and performance challenges that had been encountered... Weather. +--- 57903928 +>>57901825 +>poor shitholes +>fossil systems + +Shitholes yes, fossils no. Iraq once had one of the best IADS’s in the world. I’m the 90’s they were not even too terribly far behind the US technologically. In modern times, in Syria, both Russia’s best systems (operated by Russians) and Russia’s best export systems (operated by syrias under Russian direction) failed to prevent the US and Israel from bombing targets in syrian territory with impunity. + +Just take the L. + +Everything else you’re saying belies your ignorance. So that’s all the (you)’s you’re getting from me. +--- 57906770 +>>57903034 +Just raise a mini 5g tower for it in a montain or a mothership ecm warfare esoteric electronic warplanes flying behind the frontlines serving as relay to ground pilots fuck off. +The minor difference in latency doesn't outweigh its benefits. +--- 57907411 +>>57899999 +fucking garbage waste of pents you should be fucking ashamed of yourself +--- 57909458 +>>57900019 +>just slap an il-2 cockpit and armor on a crop duster and call it good +--- 57911338 +Drones will bring back purpose-built war machines. An A-10 design would be fantastic as a drone gunship design, literally the perfect CAS weapon and it is already almost as cheap to buy and run as a Reaper. +Current war plane doctrine calls for human pilots in very expensive do-everything planes that are worse than existing planes or missiles but look very cool and can be sold to allies as a status symbol. +That is the F-35, a limp-dick misile truck that will never see a dogfight and has only been used to terrorize goat fuckers by the Israelis, and that is all it will ever be. +The next meaningful tech will be lightning scrum development drones turned out in days or weeks for specific purposes at FOB mini-factories or on carriers although it wouldn't surprise me to see the A-10 concept reurposed for a drone as well in the meantime +>loiters +>invulnerable +>SATINT + + AI+ autoFCS + ground forces directed +>massive payload + gun +its breathtaking how frightening something like the A-10 would be coming over the horison, no pilot to bother saving, utterly merciless, nothing to call it off or stop it finishing the mission started by SEAD/DEAD missiles and high altitude bombers. +>Piotr call the Colonel! All our Buks are down! EMP has taken out Pantsir! We can't see the enemy! +>Oh no. Oh no. Do you hear it Piotr? The jets are coming +>How long? +>I don't know they are so slow they are passing over outer lines now +>brrrtt +>C-can we surrender? Wave white flag? +>Bbbrrrrrrrrrrtt +>No. It can not see us +>BBRRrrrrttt +>It can only kill +>BBBBRRRRRRRTT-ack +glorious +--- 57914002 +>>57898857 (OP) +>There is still a niche +Insurgencies and Cartels aren't dead Anon. A cheaper more plentiful alternative does exists. And it's the A-29. +--- 57914404 +>>57899999 +Because CAS is a dumb niche in modern warfare just like dive bombers are a dumb niche. Just load a strike fighter with JDAMs, you could use the same plane for interception, air superiority, SEAD, and ground attack. The trend for a long time has been towards generalist aircraft that can fill any role as opposed to dedicated bombers, close air support, interceptors, and fighters. diff --git a/k/57899003.txt b/k/57899003.txt index 6ec1293e562416191c64a4ebeb821138cda21602..5e5bb182bfd3f0665354ba3593c95eea9b61d793 100644 --- a/k/57899003.txt +++ b/k/57899003.txt @@ -215,3 +215,433 @@ They're just having fun. Little guy is obviously enjoying having a walking bounc >>57900151 >Tall people have higher estrogen levels What the fuck kind of new manlet cope is this? If estrogen levels correlate with height why the fuck are men taller than women on average? +--- 57903668 +>>57903650 +Brainlet read up on castrato singers and got the biology behind it hilariously wrong. He's been flaunting his retardation in every discussion on /k/ mentioning height. +--- 57903671 +>>57899003 (OP) +>>57899022 +>>57900761 +>>57902566 +>>57903506 +--- 57903687 +>>57903427 +r/fightporn/ +>REDDIT +yeah +--- 57903770 +>>57899070 +He's probably 6"4 +--- 57903780 +>>57900328 +Even if you were to pull at him backwards ffrom his hairs you wouldn't be abke to create more leverage than 200kg of belly fat +--- 57903863 +>>57899972 +>Will the visceral fat shield his heart and spine from hollow points tho? +Unironically if we're talking mega-fats, yes a bullet can absoutely deviate or completely protect the internal organs of a super-obese man. +But we're talking extremes here, someone with an extreme amount of fat. +Regular fat : somewhat obese won't cut it, you need a comically huge amount of fat to achieve this. + +And finally of course its not a garanteed stoppage of the round, you can obviously sill die, but it completely depends on : how many shots we're talking about, what caliber, from what distance/conditions. + +I think if one would do some research on the topic, they could find a lot of instances and stories from american paramedics where someone survived a bullet because of excess fat. + +We've pistol caliber bullets being stopped by people's skull, so a very large amount of fat is perfectly reasonable to assume people would have a higher chance of survival. + +>Hollow points +I don't know if and how that would change he odds of survival. +Logically one would think hollow points would do more damage to tissue and therefore be harder to survive. + +Guntuber Kentucky B. did a video on this recently. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUxcnWH9k0w [Embed] +--- 57903903 +>>57903863 +natural american evolution makes them impossible to grapple and bullet resistant +--- 57903986 +>>57899003 (OP) +Is this how lardasses cope with their poor diet/life choices? +--- 57904045 +>>57903427 +I got mine from rekt threads on /b/ and /gif/. They're generally horrible places for anything besides finding rekt webms. Got most of them like 7 years ago. +--- 57904053 +>>57903986 +How about you cope with this? +--- 57904066 +This is the only time you'll see a skinny person beat a fat person. +--- 57904120 +>>57900282 +>>57900188 +>>57900078 +This shit is why i refuse to get into dumbfuck fights. Its so easy to get killed/kill someone else just by mistake. +--- 57904165 +>>57903671 +Butterbean is a striker, if he doesn't respect the grappler once he gets close, he's toast regardless of size. Also, being a lanklet myself, it can actually be difficult to properly practice grapple technique if you can't find opponents your size. Practice BJJ for a bit near my highschoom, but I was nearly sparring entirely with a tiny Vietnamese dude and it was simply too easy to overpower with size alone that getting to actually use any sort of technique became limited to just trying to catch him. Once I had my hands on him, it was GG. +--- 57904172 +>>57904045 +>say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens +--- 57904173 +You make it sound like you have the opportunity to get into fights regularly, lmao. + +But yeah, fighting on pavement = skulls cracked. +--- 57904180 +>>57904173 +is for >>57904120 +--- 57904189 +>>57904173 +Damn, nice turnaround. +--- 57904200 +>>57903671 +this fight was the fatass's to lose. plus the size disparity here is much less pronounced. +--- 57904207 +>>57904173 +>way better toned & buff than victim +>get shit pushed in anyway +deserved +--- 57904211 +>>57903770 +I'm 6'4'' and 78kg lmao +--- 57904225 +>>57904211 +Same but I'm 5'7. All the weight is in my leg muscles because I've got flat feet. +--- 57904236 +>>57900188 +kek +--- 57904244 +>>57904207 +He got gassed from throwing all those girl punches and whimpy knee strikes. Neither one knew how to throw a punch with force, to be honest. +--- 57904250 +>>57904244 +That's true. He had the body but 0 technique +--- 57904258 +>>57904066 +they're both fat +--- 57904265 +>>57904207 +they're both weak and pathetically out of shape. +--- 57904275 +>>57899003 (OP) +Just wait for diabetes to do a leg sweep. +--- 57904309 +>>57904250 +Sometimes it all comes down to getting that one solid hit. +--- 57904318 +>>57904309 +Man I miss LiveLeak. Fuck glowies taking it down +--- 57904323 +>>57904207 +>>57904244 +Not to mention all those body shots that weren't doing much. Other dude won because most of his shots were head shots. +--- 57904360 +>>57904265 +"they're both weak and pathetically out of sh- AH AH PLEASE STOP HITTING ME SIR!" +--- 57904381 +>>57902126 +>He doesn't do this +Ishiggy. Because a simple fight doesn't get the message across. All it does is send an invitation to bring friends/weapons and try again. Either kill the fucker or cripple him so that he never fights again. +--- 57904397 +>>57903903 +>natural american evolution makes them impossible to grapple and bullet resistant +Truly the Ubermensch of our era. +Amerifats, I kneel +--- 57904489 +Imagine trying to stop someone who's immune to pain. Makes me wonder whether or not UFC would be more interesting if everyone could take PCP before a fight. +--- 57904966 +>>57904381 +Autism. You’ve never killed anyone. +--- 57905104 +>>57903506 +>you’re not hearing a guy that much bigger than you +Speak for yourself anon, it’s been done plenty of times before + +https://youtu.be/_plQnUT92bo [Embed] +>>57904211 +Eat a fucking sandwich, mr. Skeltal! +--- 57905111 +>>57904250 +He didn’t have “the body” either you retard he’s just thin. +--- 57905322 +>>57904165 +Butter bean is also a really good boxer which fat copers seem to forget. He’s not just a fat retard with a pair gloves. He knows how to throw all the weight around efficiently. +--- 57905338 +>>57899166 +checked for rekt +--- 57905355 +>>57902126 +>>HEY BRO, YOU LOOKING AT MY GIRL??? WHATS UP BRO! + +tell them you were looking at them. the insinuations of homosex will throw the negro into a murderous rage, making it legal to kill them +--- 57906649 +>>57899003 (OP) +now give them both guns and see who has the smaller hitbox +--- 57906654 +>>57903671 +I love Genki Sudo and I love BUTTAHBEAAAAAN but that fight was fixed. +--- 57906673 +Thats why the only valid builds are STR and INT, dexfags lose again. +--- 57906683 +>>57906673 +Whatever you say. +--- 57906688 +Just standing up for too long is gonna tire the fat guy. +--- 57906707 +>>57906683 +>Doesnt know accuracy is an Int secondary bonus modifier +--- 57906775 +>>57906683 +No widely used system has that. +--- 57906787 +>>57899003 (OP) +Literally just sidestep his attacks until he passes out +Not even a joke. This fatty won't last more than 5 mins intense exercise. Once he's gassed kick his head in. +--- 57907246 +>>57900761 +The small guy is retarded and gave double underhooks to a guy 200kg heavier than him. +He also changed levels but went to the hips and not the knees or ankles. The technique is all wrong. Ever seen a fat person fall over? They can't break their fall for shit. Just make them unstable, they'll probably self heem on the way down or when they hit the ground. +--- 57907290 +>>57903650 +Men and women are different you idiot +But on men, taller men have more estrogen and less estrogen than short +men +>>57903515 +>muh women +Yep the matriarchal lanklet cuck reveal himself again +--- 57907361 +>>57899972 +>from hollow points +>pistol image +It really might. +https://youtu.be/CUxcnWH9k0w?t=347 [Embed] +--- 57907452 +>>57900078 +lmao, red nig straight up killed blue nig- you can see how his right arm wrapped around his head so it made blue's head become the first thing to hit the ground on impact. impressive +--- 57907461 +>>57900568 +It depends entirely why you're fighting, most street fights aren't one person defending themselves but 2 retards fighting for "honor", so in that case you lose if you disengage +--- 57907477 +>>57907290 +>t.wearsplatformshoes +Uh oh the oompa loompa committee is here +>muh muh audie murphy +lmao +--- 57907674 +>>57902418 +Did everybody clap afterwards? +--- 57907738 +>>57904360 +>sumbody call that amberlamps!! +>oh, he leakin'!! +--- 57907770 +>>57904360 +I didn't know Santa got his own boondocks episode +--- 57907963 +Being tall makes it difficult for a manlet to hit your critical areas like your head or neck. + +If its more difficult to disorient you you'll probably win the fight. Tall people have longer arms for better reach too. + +Being fat only really helps the tall fighter because of their reach and grappling capability. Tall fatty has an easier time wrapping his arms around you and if he gets you to the ground and sits on you its over. +--- 57908152 +>>57900683 +>cherrypicking with an even more retarded video +The OP video isn't meant to show that heavy people are invincible. It's meant to show how much mass actually matters in a physical confrontation. Weight classes exist for this reason. It becomes extremely one-sided the farther the scales tip, though obviously if you're dealing with a fucking landwhale nothing really matters so long as you can avoid letting them get a hold of you. +--- 57908175 +>>57899003 (OP) +why isn't he kiting the fatso? +--- 57908193 +>>57908152 +>Weight classes exist for this reason. It becomes extremely one-sided the farther the scales tip +Fact. Cutting to a lower weight class is usually not a bad idea. Moving up weight classes is usually a very bad idea, unless maybe you’re Holyfield. +Usyk is a recent example of this. +Good fighter, not nearly big enough to fight heavyweight aside from a few stragglers though. +--- 57908298 +>>57899003 (OP) +I could kick the fatty around just like the fatty kicks the midget. +--- 57908309 +>>57900100 +>this fight +--- 57908493 +>>57900282 +I won't ever get those guys who try to start fight they should know they can't win. +Did he think the big guy who haul heavy stuff every day for a living was too scared? +Can't be since he was backing even before the big guy took him seriously +--- 57908568 +>>57906683 +>dodged +--- 57908576 +>>57899003 (OP) +>>57899022 +>>57899153 +>>57899445 +>>57903506 +You know this is fetish porn, not a fight video, right? +--- 57908608 +>>57904173 +>>57904180 +I do come across the situation fights a handfull of times per year though mostly during drunk nights out with friends in the city. I didnt mean it to sound like i get into them by regular, just when they do present themselves i always try to deescalate by any means i can. Ever since I saw that one video from Norway I think were 2 lads beef outside a bar, end up going at each other, one guy lifts the other to attempt a slam of kinds but ends up breaking his own neck ive just been turned off by getting into scraps. It's just not worth it. +--- 57908872 +>>57902126 +"It was awful officer, I heard him say 'i'll kill you!' and then, and then he was reaching for something, I was in fear for my life, it was just awful." +--- 57908899 +>>57908872 +People who think they’re actually going to pull a “LOOK OUT HES COMING RIGHT FOR US” defense are fucking retards. Even if you win (you probably won’t, you seem like the kind of moron to talk himself into a jail cell) you’re life is going to fucked for years fighting the charge and then even longer trying to pay back your legal debt +--- 57909021 +>>57904066 +Sumo has smaller guys winning more often than you'd think. The weird combination of tradition with actual proper fighting results in sumo wrestlers coming in with strange techniques that nobody is ready for and shooting to the top until every one has figured out a counter. +--- 57909035 +>>57904066 +Henka is considered dishonorubu and unworthy of higher ranked Sumo +--- 57909068 +>>57908872 +You really don't want to go through the hassle of killing someone or worse, injuring them, unless you absolutely need to. +--- 57909072 +>>57899003 (OP) +Is he resistant to buck shot or should i use bear slugs? +--- 57909129 +>>57903986 +>I weigh less and therefore am superior +Is this how lanklets cope with being combat-inferior to fatasses? +--- 57909273 +>>57904323 +He won because his punches actually hurt. Singlet guy was pillowfisted and wouldn't have hurt him with headshots either. +--- 57909374 +How do you win against such an opponent? +--- 57909390 +>>57909374 +>boss has 2 stages +--- 57909471 +>>57904966 +You're right. I went with the latter option. Fucker tried to start shit and I finished it. Got him in a position I was able to stomp the fuck out of his lower back in roughly the same place you would be paralyzed if you fell on your carry gun in the 6 o'clock position and kept going until I was pulled away from him. He's still in a wheelchair to this day and hasn't fucked with anyone else since. +--- 57909475 +>>57904173 +What's that toilet on the far left? Is it for taking a shit at the pissoir? +--- 57909484 +I'm 2m tall and weigh about 122kg and can still do a six minute mile, and can safely say I would just shoot someone instead of fighting them with my hands. Fighting is for people you respect that you don't want to kill, otherwise, just shoot them until you are out of ammunition as soon as you can legally do so. It is that simple. Cry about it. +--- 57909571 +>>57904489 +>The way he runs towards the guy trying to escape at 0:21 +You can taste his bloodlust +--- 57909993 +>>57909471 +that's really fucked up. I hope its a LARP and you didn't actually cripple someone for life on purpose in a street fight. +--- 57910229 +>>57899003 (OP) +>>57899166 +INT vs CHR +--- 57910364 +>>57901197 +Is it similar to Potop/The Deluge? Cause I liked that one. +--- 57910418 +>>57899381 +He's big boned +--- 57910927 +>>57908872 +That only works if you're also a cop +--- 57911633 +>>57907477 +>projections +Not only you have more estrogen like women but you act like them tol +Anyway you wouldnt act that tough when you would get ground and pound while bleeding you faggot +--- 57912578 +>>57908899 +>>57909068 +Get the fuck off /k/, this board is about nothing but justified killing. +--- 57912663 +>>57912578 +Ok, go to jail then like the two retards on here who wanted to meme irl at a blm rally. See how well “HES COMING RIGHT FOR US” worked as a defense for them. +--- 57912692 +>>57909471 +You know it’s really obvious you’ve never been in a fight, right? +>>57909993 +He’s larping. Nobody who’s actually done shit like that doesn’t talk like this. +--- 57912701 +>>57912692 +What do you mean people don't remain perfectly stationary while you try to whale on them? +--- 57912712 +>>57912663 +Not that anon, but I thought only Saigamarine got hit with charges, charges against Black Powder Ranger got dropped. Did they both get ficked over? +--- 57912729 +>>57911633 +>Yeah, so his name was Audie Murphy, right? He was 5’5” and… +>Oh, did I mention I have more testosterone than lanklets? Oh, right, a lanklet is someone who… +>I guess you could say I’m a sigma male, I believe in trad values like… +>Hey, wait, you’re a virgin, right? +kek. +--- 57912736 +>>57900761 +I would leap on top of the guy like a spider monkey and bite his face. +--- 57912768 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQsj3fSr1o0 [Embed] +REAL FIGHT! +Genki Sudo vs BUTTERBEAN!!!! + +protip: A weapon will stop either of them. +--- 57912804 +>>57900794 +>Very tall +He's only 5'11", other guy is 5'4" +--- 57912887 +>>57912712 +Honestly don’t know. Moot point though really, since in the scenario he’s laid out above he’d be in saigamarines position shooting someone. And in black powder rangers case I can’t imagine getting docked over by the legal system, even with the charges drop, didn’t make his life significantly worse and weigh him down with immense legal debt he probably hasn’t paid back to this day. +--- 57912942 +>>57912712 +there were never any charges against saigamarine. black powder ranger got fucked hard with like 15 years or something. the other 2 tripfags both took plea deals for shorter work release sentences. the anon got all charges dropped but only after a year of kangaroo court. +--- 57912960 +>>57912887 +>Moot point though really +Maybe in your opinion, but BPR and I always got along well and had great convos, Saigamarine was a fag and I don't care about him. You are right about everything, the whole ordeal fucked him over even If the charges were dropped. Either way, they played stupid game and won a stupid prize. +--- 57912985 +>>57912729 +Why does she look terrified? +--- 57913031 +>>57908576 +source +--- 57913078 +>>57910364 +Part of the same Trilogy my friend. +--- 57913095 +>>57899003 (OP) +Now let’s see the fatty move more than 25 cumulative steps. Pride did this dozens and dozens of times and even professional fighters (granted mostly sumos) lost far more often than not +--- 57913134 +>>57899166 +That was cool +--- 57913151 +>>57899003 (OP) +Kick fatty's knee and watch him fold +--- 57913193 +>>57913095 +>granted mostly sumos +So don't go against some one your size, don't chase and let them come to you. Simple as. +--- 57913392 +>>57913095 +Kimbo vs Dada... like watching two walruses trying to fuck +--- 57913453 +Threads like these always remind me to always wear a bulletproof jacket whenever I go outside. +--- 57913595 +>>57904066 +Checking digits for funny vid. +--- 57913621 +>>57909475 +>he doesn’t know about low hanging dick urinals +NGMI +--- 57913691 +>>57905104 +>came to post this exact fight +>some fine gentleman already did +Carry on sir +--- 57913703 +>>57903506 +Knees are in the same goddamn place on everyone. If someone is so fat you can’t see their knees they are on the verge of going out anyways. A solid hit in the general area and they are falling. Every see a fatass fall and try to get back up? It’s hilarious. It’s like a turtle on its back +--- 57914136 +>>57913691 +>nobody has posted Ethan Ralph yet +--- 57914235 +>>57904309 +Damn, the Boomer absolutely floored that wigger +--- 57914248 +>>57904397 +Obsessed and seething +--- 57914273 +>>57914136 +The gunt-on-gunt action or Portugal 2: Electric Boogaloo? +--- 57915223 +>>57900100 +always found it interesting that he doesnt have the core strength to support his upper body as he pounds the nog, you see him lean forward falling over until he pushes himself back up, twice diff --git a/k/57899068.txt b/k/57899068.txt index 188de0dc0678c8a4147b99b3bb81085e5e88a50a..a033e0be489a4166c88d710470d7e959ea2b74d2 100644 --- a/k/57899068.txt +++ b/k/57899068.txt @@ -139,3 +139,134 @@ Sure, Paco. --- 57903513 >>57899102 Quite a few along with the stechkin +--- 57903724 +>>57899404 +It's because Sterling are notorious for producing absolute shit tier AR-18s, I don't think they could even get the normal AR-18 right let alone reconfiguring it. Apparently the XL60 series guns in 4.85 were actually okay though. +Although IRA use of the AR-18 is exaggerated, I'd suspect the IRA ones weren't sterling produced ones (Costa Mesa prod maybe?) + +>>57899469 +How is the EM-1 relevant in the slightest, either the Korsac or Thorpe? + +>>57899507 +Not even, the EM-1 Korsac (the one I assume he is talking about) he a really huge gun compared to AR-18 and L85 + +>>57899632 +>Adapting the FAL into the SA80 +What the fuck are you saying here? +>EM-2 looks virtually the same +1. No it doesn't +2. It works in a completely fucking different manner, the gas system and BCG work on totally different principles + +>>57899068 (OP) +I'd really love to even see an EM-4 Broadway trust rifle, it's a fascinating gun to me. Sadly I don't think any remain anymore. Maybe hidden away somewhere. +--- 57903981 +>>57902087 +Allegedly, the owner of USFA was scared of losing the company in a divorce, so this was his way to destroy the company while maintaining plausible deniability. +--- 57904010 +Say what you will about the full size version, but I've always liked the shorter L22A2 +--- 57904026 +>>57899573 +It's a great gun and it's fun to shoot, you can hold it by the grip easily +--- 57904185 +>>57899068 (OP) +Finnish m82 +Also the em2 +--- 57904215 +>>57904010 +That's actually really neat. I'm annoyed I haven't seen it more in Vidya. +--- 57904262 +I'm in Britbong military, its fine, works just as it should. Everyone I've met said the A1 was garbage though. +>b4 Yanks come in screaming that it isn't an Ar15 variant +I don't care fuck off +--- 57905666 +>>57904215 +I only recall seeing/playing with it in Killing Floor 1. +--- 57906967 +>>57904262 +The A2s work fine, but they're still very heavy and awkward to use compared to competing rifles. +--- 57907469 +>>57899068 (OP) +There's a small part of me that wants an FAL with a pic rail slapped on to it, and I find that incredibly disturbing. + +>>57904010 +I've never really liked the profile of the SA80 but somehow this one really works for me. +--- 57908317 +>live in maryland +>they have a giant list of random guns they've banned by name +>its very clear that they all just come from boomers watching action movies because half of them are prototypes, dont exist anymore, or are nearly impossible to get +>the other half fit in to their otherwise legal firearms criteria but they just dont like them like the 10rnd semi automatic thompson replicas +--- 57908332 +GOTTA ban the dragonuv, its far more lethal than a 10rnd ar because uhhh...uhhh...ITS NOT JUST BECAUSE I SAW IT IN A MOVIE!!! +--- 57908352 +>>57908317 +>>57908332 +WE MUST KEEP THIS WEAPON OF WAR OFF OUR STREETS! Garands are fine though because I got one from korea +--- 57908711 +>>57899187 +>have to hire German company to fix your shitty rifle +That's the real national embarrassment here. +--- 57908967 +>>57908711 +HK was british at the time. +--- 57909424 +>>57905666 +>>57904215 +bretty gud in phantom forces +--- 57909441 +>>57899068 (OP) +I'd prefer the A3. It's such an ugly gun but I kind of like it. +--- 57909522 +>>57908317 +>ban all FAL, G3, and M14 clones +>ban all 7.62x39 and 5.45 AKs +>AK pistols, AKs in 5.56, AR 10s and AR 15s legal +why is our state like this +--- 57909570 +>>57908332 +The SVD actually isn’t awful at all. Unexpectedly solid and pleasant to shoot desu +It’s the price tag that makes people think ‘shit gun’ when in reality it’s more like ‘shit value’ +Granted they are insanely overpriced relative to what you get for your money, but if they were more abundant and you could get one for under $2k i think people would be sucking them off as the best thing ever even though that would be an equally ignorant assessment +t. actual SVD fag +--- 57909623 +The Chinkgun. In the actual chinsect cartridge, not the export version. +--- 57909624 +>>57909570 +its not that its shit, its that its completely unreasonable and inconsistent to ban it and allow tons of other similar guns that coincidentally WERENT featured in movies. +Its banned because its scary looking, thats all +--- 57909878 +>>57909624 +My bad i must have misunderstood you. +And as far as the bans i absolutely agree. +as fun as it is to flex on jealous boomers at the range with it, i would happily trade that to make SVDs cheap and commonplace enough so i dont have to stress about sourcing spare parts for mine. It’s a nightmare. +--- 57912149 +>>57899068 (OP) +Assuming here but generally the mags suck on pump w/ tube -> pump w/ mag conversions from what I read. Maybe this one was good, I don't know, but in general, the mags suck and you're lucky to have two because they're usually rare as fuck due to low sales of the shotguns. +--- 57914344 +fuck you i like it, the gun +--- 57914356 +>>57899204 +Fuck off Ian +--- 57914407 +>>57904010 +That actually seems practical. +--- 57914520 +>>57899482 +A very good plan +--- 57915319 +>>57899787 +>>57899760 +You're mixing up the L85 and L86's role, and you're still wrong. The L85A2 is half a kilogram heavier than the IAR naked (4.1kg vs 3.6kg). An ACOG is also half the weight of a SUSAT (TA33 280g, vs SUSAT 470g, SUSAT A1 495g) which is half of why it was replaced. The L86A2 is approximately another kilogram heavier (6.6kg loaded. + +The L85 family is the most overweight family of small arms yet built. Compared only to other full length 5.56 rifles: +AUG: 3.6kg (with integrated optic) +EF88: 3.4kg +FAMAS/G2: 3.6/3.8kg (19in barrel) +M16A2-A4: 3.4kg +SG540: 3.5kg +SG550: 3.75kg + +Bonus fact: An unloaded L1A1 SLR is lighter than an unloaded L85A2 as issued. +--- 57915333 +>>57899068 (OP) +>awful guns +The only thing bad about the A2 is it isn't ambidextrous and has poor ergos. That's it. diff --git a/k/57899341.txt b/k/57899341.txt index 696d7240485bbe6f7e462c7762962e703dd03d07..9bebebcd2dd38499be050b27cc500ea65b8e54c8 100644 --- a/k/57899341.txt +++ b/k/57899341.txt @@ -240,3 +240,322 @@ When the Zumwalt gets those hypersonic VLS installed we’re going to get floode >2023 >still using electricity invented in the 1850's lol +--- 57903785 +>>57902197 +Unironically, why is military research focusing on rail guns instead of gauss guns? + +The only limitation I understand for gauss guns that wouldn't apply to railguns is power switching from one coil to the next has to be extremely fast and coordinated. But I wouldn't immediately this is a bigger problem than creating a hypothetical super material that can withstand the rail gun armature scraping against it at Mach 8. +--- 57903895 +>>57902995 +400 shots is better than the rated lifespan of most big naval guns from the interwar period. +--- 57903957 +>>57899341 (OP) +Dude how hard can it be its just a couple of magnets lmao +--- 57904084 +>>57903785 +gauss guns are even more inefficient than railguns energy-wise +--- 57904096 +>>57903512 +the pro's simply don't make up for the con's, a cruise missile is simply far more efficient at destroying shit from long range than a railgun, besides storage problems are a non-issue if you don't live in the third world +I can see railguns being used for AA defense but even lasers are looking to be better in that regard +--- 57904612 +>>57899558 +> Sailing around + +Aren't you the optimist. Tied to the dock rusting away, headed for an "upgrade" they'll never return from. +--- 57904633 +>>57902134 +Is the concept of Convergent Development in Engineering that mystifying to you? +--- 57904908 +>>57903553 +this, where are the plasma conduits? +--- 57904937 +>>57903178 +MFC for 120 L44 and L55 is over 4500 +--- 57905072 +>>57899341 (OP) +It's a travesty really +--- 57905085 +>>57903458 +Oh boy. Railguns are the new MARAUDER. +--- 57905112 +>>57903549 +>When the Zumwalt gets those hypersonic VLS installed!!! + +> The refit will include the removal of the existing twin 155mm Advanced Gun System on each ship to install four 87-inch tubes for hypersonic missiles. Three Common Hypersonic Glide Bodies (C-HGB) and their boosters could fit in each 87-inch tube – or 12 missiles per Zumwalt. + +Wow. A whole 12 missiles. Bet that has a billion Chinee shaking in their boots. +--- 57905124 +I think you will see the first ones fielded will be anti-drone, then it'll be anti-missile, then it'll be anti aircraft. +It won't happen all at once, it'll be little by little. +--- 57905183 +>>57899543 +>Japan wants to use theirs to intercept HGVs in terminal phase with naval artillery as a secondary role +>we're back to the AA gun spam meta +WHOOO BABY THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT +LET'S GO +--- 57906218 +>>57902243 +>>57902232 +Where is the skip glide retard? See>>57901166 +--- 57906540 +>>57899558 +>out-teched by China and Russia +OHHH HERRAR PREASE RESS SIRRY AMERRICAN NO TECHNORROGY GOOD AS CHINA +--- 57906620 +>>57906218 +>Where is the skip glide retard? +It doesn't skip glide, retard. It's a literal Pershing II copy. +--- 57906837 +>>57906620 +>their tech don't work bro +Dumbass +--- 57907005 +>>57906837 +May I see it working, bro bro bro? +bro +--- 57908841 +>>57906620 +>It's a literal Pershing II copy. +Show me Pershing II doing skip glide and I'll conceed that DF-21D and DF-26 are copies. Otherwise you are just a dumbass mutt +--- 57909094 +>>57908841 +Show me a DF-21D or DF-26 doing a skip glide flight profile, and I'll concede they're not Pershing II copies. Otherwise, you are just a retarded han-mutt. +--- 57909119 +>>57909094 +It's all so tiresome. +--- 57909170 +>>57909094 +You claimed it's a copy first mutt, so show me that Pershing II can do this:>>57902232 +--- 57909181 +>>57909170 +Wrong reference, show me Pershing II can do this:>>57901166 +--- 57909267 +>>57909170 +>You claimed it's a copy first mutt +They are, literally, my coping han-mutt fren. See: >>57902134, >>57902232, >>57902243 + +>>57909181 +First, show me that the DF-21D and DF-26 can do that. They're literally Pershing II copies that follow the same exact flight profile as the Pershing II. You can continue to cope and seethe, though, it's not going to change the truth. +--- 57909289 +>>57899558 +yeah +--- 57909301 +>>57899341 (OP) +Here's the railgun. +--- 57909345 +>>57909267 +>Look similar so it's copy +What a retard +--- 57909393 +>>57909345 +No, it's a copy so it's a copy. Why are you deflecting? Where is the proof the DF-21D and DF-26 fly a skip glide flight profile? You seem to have wasted your time finding unrelated pictures instead of that proof I asked for. Why? Is it because you know they're Pershing II copies, and your han-mutt DNA won't allow you to admit it and make Chiner lose face? +--- 57909613 +>>57909393 +>look similar so its copy copy copy copy +Why are mutts so retarded. +--- 57909644 +>>57909613 +>>57909393 +>Why are you deflecting? Where is the proof the DF-21D and DF-26 fly a skip glide flight profile? You seem to have wasted your time finding unrelated pictures instead of that proof I asked for. Why? Is it because you know they're Pershing II copies, and your han-mutt DNA won't allow you to admit it and make Chiner lose face? +--- 57909880 +>>57902995 +So it can intercept 400 nuclear missiles before a barrel replacement? Sounds pretty good. +--- 57910318 +>>57901166 +How does being stuck with a conventional pershing 2 type missile not ruin your day though? is the glide profile harder to intercept or even detect? Ideally you'd want a missile that packs a punch and nobody knows it's coming, and by the time a targeting radar can do its thing it goes hypersonic with no time to intercept. +--- 57911140 +>>57910318 +Skip-glide and hyperbolic glide: harder to detect and intercept, extend range and increase accuracy. +The only downside it's that it's harder to control, that's why you need a lot of wind tunnel simulation +--- 57911163 +>>57911140 +>>57909644 +--- 57911230 +>>57911140 +>harder to detect and intercept +No, they're not. Space based early warning sats see them light-off just fine. +--- 57911263 +>>57911230 +>>57911140 +>harder to detect and intercept +compared to ballistic missile +--- 57911309 +>>57911230 +--- 57911341 +>>57911263 +>compared to ballistic missile +You're wrong, though (>>57911309). They're also not any faster than a BM. +--- 57911345 +>>57911230 +Wouldn't these satellites be shot first though? China shot down one of their own years back, right - cant they do the same to US ones? +--- 57911348 +>>57911341 +--- 57911399 +>>57911348 +>>57911263 +No, they orbit way too high for China to take them out. +--- 57911408 +>>57911399 +>No, they orbit way too high for China to take them out. +Meant for: >>57911345 +--- 57911418 +>>57911341 +>>57911309 +>>57911348 +>not any faster than a BM +Don't you moron know how to read? where did I mention faster? + +I said "harder to detect and intercept, extend range and increase accuracy" compared to BM >>57911140 +--- 57911427 +>>57899543 +>However, hypersonic defense is what Japan sees as the gun’s primary application, Mishima said. It could also be land-based for island defense and shore-to-ship applications, he added. Hypersonic missiles and aircraft are defined as highly maneuverable and can reach Mach 5 or higher, which is a speed that railguns could be expected to achieve. +Literally Stonehenge +--- 57911439 +>>57905112 +To be fair 12 conventional missiles could kill a few hundred million Chinese thanks to them building their own self destruct button at three gorges +--- 57911485 +>>57911418 +>Don't you moron know how to read? where did I mention faster? +I addressed what your point was, and then more, to cut off your next bullshit claim, as it's clear you love pulling facts out of your blown out asshole. +>I said "harder to detect +No. +>and intercept +No +>extend range +Debatable +>increase accuracy" compared to BM >>57911140 +And no. skip glide has nothing to do with accuracy, the Laser Ring Gyro has WAY more to do with accuracy than the flight profile, you retarded chinsect. +--- 57911498 +>>57911439 +Conventional missiles cannot destroy the 3 gorges dam themselves unless you combine them with higher than average rainfall and strike the dams upriver with them. +--- 57911515 +>>57911345 +Shooting down space based early warning assets is a great way to convince the other side to launch a first strike. Their only purpose is to detect the massive IR signature of a ballistic missile or orbital rocker launch, they serve no other purpose. Shooting them down signals you want to launch your missiles, which tells the other side they need to launch now because yours could already be launching +--- 57911531 +>>57911498 +So what you're saying is they could destroy three gorges +--- 57911557 +>>57911485 +Tests seem to say that the AEGIS can track and target HBG/HCM, and SM-6 has engaged a hypersonic simulated warhead[1, 1a]. Plans are to test the SM-6 against a mock HBG soon[2], and the SM-Block 1B being made now will have increased range and hypersonic speeds[3]. If they put the Multi-Object Kill Vehicle on them along with the GBI and SM-3, it will make it even easier. THAAD and SM-3s are also being looked at under the Hypersonic Defense Weapon System (HDWS) program called DART[4][5]. They've had the technological ability to turn the AEGIS SM family and THAAD into some serious, serious killers over the last decade, but, the DoD, Congress, and Executive branch has been kikes with funds and not allowed them to do it, publically. Though, either smaller contracts, or internal funding from the companies still push the tech along, just not in mass-produced service until the DoD decides what it wants to do. + +If you're talking about the DF-21D, DF-26, or Avangard, they're copies of the US Pershing II MaRV. The US has shown the ability for decades to intercept the Pershing II MaRV with the Patriot PAC-3 missile[6]. So, the DF-21D. DF-26, or Avangard aren't a problem to intercept. Especially when you start adding in EW and anti-satellite warfare that would be used to attack China's and Russia's relay, tracking and targeting satellites.[7][7a][7b][7c] Am I saying MEV-1, and MEV-2 are anti-satellite, satellites? No, but, it does prove the ability to track, target, and dock with satellites while disabling them. +--- 57911567 +>>57911557 +Sources: + +[1]https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/aegis-amdr-detected-tracked-and-launched-simulated-sm-6-against-long-range-hypersonic +[1a]https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/McQuiston%20Statement%20for%20the%20Record.pdf +[2]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40178/navy-sm-6-missile-will-attempt-to-swat-down-a-mock-hypersonic-weapon +[3]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27068/navy-to-supersize-its-ultra-versatile-sm-6-missile-for-even-longer-range-and-higher-speed +[4]https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/missile-defense-weapons/lockheed-proposes-thaad-variant-hypersonic-interceptor +[5]https://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-aerojet-rocketdyne-developing-new-thaad-booster/ +[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmjxQM2I7JU +[7]MEV-1: https://spacenews.com/northrop-grummans-mev-1-servicer-docks-with-intelsat-satellite/ +[7a]MEV-2: https://www.space.com/northrop-grumman-mev-2-docks-intelsat-satellite +[7b]X-37b: https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104539/x-37b-orbital-test-vehicle/ +[7c]AEGIS ASAT: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19227400 +--- 57911597 +>>57911309 +>>57911341 +>>57911348 +>the sources on these slides +Is this a joke? +--- 57911658 +>>57911597 +>Is this a joke? +No? It is a counter to brainlets making articles about shit they don't understand. Why?https://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs28tracy.pdf +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWT4L-EJ2o&t=60s [Embed] +--- 57911826 +>>57911557 +>SM-6 +Assuming it works. China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor. + +>DF-21D, DF-26, or Avangard, they're copies of the US Pershing II MaRV +>MaRV +Sanger Ballistic is HGV MaRV to you? keep coping +--- 57911877 +>>57899558 +>Blow all your budget on a meme ship built specifically to carry either a railgun or laser cannon +stop posting this you stupid cunt, it was never supposed to have railguns or lasers it was designed specifically for AGS (LRLAP) which was sabotaged for being "too based" [sic] +they considered MAYBE replacing AGS with a railgun/lasers in recent years, but that was after the Pentagon ruined the project +--- 57911914 +>>57911826 +>Assuming it works. +It does any other time, why would it not now? +>China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor. +Proof? +>Sanger Ballistic is HGV MaRV to you? keep coping +Avangard isn't even real, unless you can show me the HGV used on it, and tests of it actually working. DF-21D and DF-26 are literal copies of the Pershing II MaRV. We've already had this discussion here. Still waiting on that proof.>>57909267 +--- 57912000 +>>57911914 +>look similar so it's copie +retard doesn't even realize she's retarded +--- 57912043 +>>57912000 +Keep the seething and coping going, Ling Wing. Also, where is that proof? +--- 57912045 +>>57902770 +nobody expects to get hit by the gauss urbie +--- 57912058 +>>57909301 +best railgun +--- 57912163 +>>57899341 (OP) +Yes... but you have colourful bum sex, and isn't that what you're fighting for? +--- 57912231 +>>57899558 +>All the extra power the ship generates now useless +>mobile auxiliary power is useless + +lol +--- 57912310 +>>57911826 +>Assuming it works. +>China has like 5x more missiles than US has for interceptor. +>Assuming it works. + +lmfao good one, chang..... good one. i bet 90% of chinas "missiles" are just cardboard tubes. Your whole country is corrupt from the bottom to the top. +--- 57912448 +>>57903390 +Based GI Joe enjoyer +--- 57912592 +The biggest problem with rail guns is practicality. + +It was a hard realization for me as well, but follow my logic. + +What is the goal of a magnetic cannon of any stripe? Shoot a slug from point A to point B and leave a huge hole in the target. We want it to go fast and we want it to not be intercepted. + +Well, if the desired outcome is a big hole in the target at B, can we do it with more efficient methods? + +The answer is yes. We can shoot any number of missiles at it. We can use existing artillery at it. We can send Boris the Turbo-Slav 9000 to headbutt the target with a claymore taped to his forehead. + +Or we can put a huge expensive and limited application weapon on a boat, remove 90% of everything else on the boat, replace it with expensive equipment and prey it doesn’t break in five minutes thanks to Ensign Ricky trying to pee his name on the lithium ion battery containment for the tenth time this month. + +The same issue applies to hypersonics. You can do the same job cheaper, easier, and with fewer headaches with other stuff. +--- 57912807 +>>57899558 +>>Blow all your budget on a meme ship built specifically to carry either a railgun or laser cannon + +the zumwalt was specifically built around a regular ass 155mm cannon that used gunpowder. it was only special because it fired gps guided shells. it was cancelled because of government contract fuckery after the contractor decided to triple the cost of each shell. it was never intended to carry either a railgun or laser cannon. +--- 57912951 +>>57912310 +>Your whole country is corrupt from the bottom to the top. +Doesn't realize the USA is a corrupt shithole compare to China. I hope you liked your covid pass +--- 57913035 +>>57912951 +--- 57913043 +holy shit this is the average person + +they see half a headline and walk around going OH MY GAWD DID YEEEW KNOW?? +--- 57913079 +this fucker Jon must be absolutely COVERED in soft metals from showering without soap +--- 57913128 +>>57913035 +>posting made up shits +--- 57913146 +>>57913128 +>made up +--- 57913723 +>>57913146 +Just like Australia diff --git a/k/57900131.txt b/k/57900131.txt index 5917bda9a1be576a4303208d3f175bcf7aa44869..6571de59e44cec3d7e81c1e77bf5bd8e146e62e5 100644 --- a/k/57900131.txt +++ b/k/57900131.txt @@ -183,3 +183,205 @@ I will never understand the hate MO's get. >Seal up and throw in the box inside the store >Item shows up a week-ish later If this is too complex for you or are too much if a sperg to literally say like three lines of dialog to a woman behind a counter I think you shouldn't be around a firearm. Sorry. +--- 57905687 +>>57902951 +>I don't know why the fuck he just didn't want to send me a personal check. +Many sellers won't take them at all, and for those that do it's standard practice for them to hold the check for a while, commonly 2 weeks, for them to make sure it clears before they send your goods. They either assumed you wouldn't take a personal check or they didn't want to wait that long. +--- 57905710 +>>57902355 +Echecks work just like credit or debit cards, the banks charge a processing fee. +--- 57905762 +>>57902047 +My only annoyance is that a lot of them don't want cashier's checks. It's faster for me to drive to my bank, get a cashier's check, then drive to UPS and mail it that way compared to doing all that shit at the post office because they are that much slower for service. +Cashier's checks are essentially the exact same thing. The money gets sequestered in escrow, then only released to the named individual, but whatever, they have what I want and tend to sell it for reasonable prices. I got my kodiak Express for about 1000 smackers less than the one that sold a week before because the dumb boomer didn't know how to take non-shit pictures. +--- 57906154 +i'll buy the item that is a bit higher priced if it's credit card and no extra card fee. my time isn't free and i'm not doing (((math))) to calculate the exact amount of kikery you're trying to pull. +--- 57906241 +>>57900131 (OP) +I actually prefer money order payments over credit or things like PayPal/Venmo. Most of my guns purchased on gunbroker were through money orders. +Purchasing a money order and paid envelope is halal’s cheaper than the credit card premiums so I find them to be worth it even with the instant transactions of credit cards and other modern payment methods. +Another benefit of money orders is that some purchasers/bidders will go out of their ways to avoid items that require them, therefore a chance of less bidders and a better deal. +--- 57906396 +Is it the pandemic or did something else happen the last couple years that's causing zoomers to do this weird virtue signaling thing against older behavior? I had some hipster rant at me for five minutes when he tried to pick up something I had on Craigslist. Dude said I had to take Zelle because no humans still used cash for anything. Told him to fuck off and got cash from the next guy. + +I've never had a problem using money orders. You can't wait another few days to get a gun you just impulse bought? +--- 57906433 +>see mag tube extension for my benelli +>send money order +>3 weeks later receive mag tube extension + +That's it, that's the whole story. Sometimes I think you guys purposefully seek out scams so you have something to bitch about. +--- 57906456 +>Nobody in this thread was born prior to 2002 or whenever eBay started using PayPal + +You'll never know how it feels to have an envelope stuffed with money order receipts from that month's sales/purchases. +--- 57906474 +I guess this goes hand in hand with the "It's been TWO FUCKING DAYS and seller STILL hadn't shipped my gun! Do I call my credit card or the police first??" threads. +--- 57906621 +>>57906474 +The only thing that bothers me with waits is when the gunshop sits on your gun. I had one hold my desert eagle for 3 days, just waiting to log it into their system. +--- 57906780 +>>57900245 +They were pretty useful for paying rent while I was living in the US. + +t. Yuro that spent a semester in CA +--- 57909358 +>>57902143 +is the no firearms/accessories thing just paypal or does zelle/cashapp/etc do the same thing +--- 57909391 +>>57906621 +They're just doing you the favor of saying they don't want your business anymore and find somebody more respectful of you :) +--- 57909407 +>>57909358 +Zelle no since that's just a direct bank transfer essentially, CashApp has rules against federally regulated stuff but minimal enforcement mechanisms, and Venmo also doesn't permit firearms but they do permit accessories unlike PayPal (despite being owned by PP). +--- 57910260 +>>57900131 (OP) +the credit card paper trail zoomer vs the p2p cash boomer. +you guys are gonna enjoy the new digital dollar that somehow never works for gun purchases. +--- 57910273 +>>57910260 +>>57900131 (OP) +and to stay on topic: +>go to post office +>fill out thing +>pay +>get send stuff +>throw away little receipt because everything worked out ok +--- 57910380 +>>57900245 +i see zelle paypal venmo and that shit used more for fraud than these things +t.works in a credit union +--- 57910495 +>>57900245 +how can you commit fraud you stupid retard. its your own damn fault if you dont fill out the receipt part. the post office literally will give you your money back if it gets lost or so. +--- 57910527 +>>57910495 +>hello mr grampa sirs, this is the irs, please go to the offical US post office and send an irrevokable money order to +IRS LLC, 555 Delhi Ave, Los Angeles. +--- 57910541 +>>57909407 +The only /k/ drawback with zelle is that while receive is unlimited how much can be sent per day/month varies by bank. Partner banks often are $2500-20k, enough for nearly anything (if buying something more than that probably time to get more serious about specialized payment/escrow/flatout meeting them, that's bigger money). But rando banks are like $500, which can do a certain amount but leaves a lot uncovered. + +Non-/k/ drawback is US banks only but firearms export is an entire different can of worms so not really relevant here. +--- 57910619 +>>57900131 (OP) +Ive bought dozens of things on gunbroker with them and havent had any issues. Most private sellers dont have card readers and paypal is anti gun +--- 57910668 +>>57900542 +Incredible how you select the three services people DON'T use. Do you mean Venmo and Apple Pay? +--- 57910673 +>>57909407 +>Venmo +>owned by PayPal +I knew there was a reason I hated those cockfags. +--- 57910677 +>>57900131 (OP) +>some flyover state +Fuck commiefornia and shit york. +--- 57910727 +>>57906154 +>i'll buy the item that is a bit higher priced if it's credit card and no extra card fee +Same same +My time is worth too much +--- 57910783 +>>57910527 +>t. has no idea how money orders work. + +The guy picking up the MO has to ID himself to the post office. Which is why its gonna be obvious real fucking fast if some pajeet keeps cashing in MOs from dozens of people. Which is why they are always doing the cash fraud bullshit or the google play store thing. they don't need ID to cash in a gift card. + +And on top of that there is a little receipt attached to the MO. If you fill that out and keep it, you can go back to the post office and say: "hey XYZ is claiming he hasn't got the money, can you check?" or "my dog ate my MO, can you replace this one?" or in your case: "i believe I'm the victim of fraud, I need the personal details of the guy who picked up the MO" + +Yes its a hassle, but you also get that hassle with paypal and zelle if you try to reverse a f&fs payments or a wire transfer. Credit card chargeback is literally your only option but so many people do chargeback fraud thats precisely why people don't want to accept it. And they don't want to be part of the list that visa and venmo fax over to the atf every week. +--- 57910864 +Auctions on Gunbroker that accept credit card ALWAYS go for more than MO only boomers auctions. +--- 57910890 +>>57910727 +>>57906154 +You are wasting your time shitposting on 4chan rn. Quit fucking lying. +--- 57910920 +>>57910890 +The difference is, he wants to do that +--- 57910977 +>>57910677 +there are many great states that arent fly over or the big coastie states. Most of them are in the former confederacy or by desert areas +--- 57910991 +Zoomers interact with the postal service and then cry about it traumatizing them ... you can't make this shit up +--- 57911022 +>>57910920 +Does he? Are you sure you can just leave here? +--- 57911041 +>>57900131 (OP) +Took like 4 months to get my Colt Woodsman, totally worth it though +--- 57911734 +>>57910783 +>guy who picked up the MO" + +I was under the impression that you can deposit money orders to your bank like a check +--- 57911760 +>>57911041 +Kino +--- 57911812 +>>57909391 +I did. +--- 57911920 +>>57900131 (OP) +>can't use a USPS money order +holy fuck +--- 57911922 +>>57900131 (OP) +Money Orders are based you fucking retard. +--- 57912416 +>>57900245 +Wrong fuck ass. Postal moneyorders are safe as fuck +--- 57912532 +>>57912416 +It's the same as cash. +--- 57912564 +>>57912532 +So anyone can use it? +--- 57913486 +>>57912416 +It’s called “busting” and it’s very common +--- 57913567 +>>57900131 (OP) +>bought multiple firearms and firearm related things from boomer in flyover states +>never had a problem, always shipped immediately after receiving money order +I thought it was a shit system at first, but I've only had good experiences. +--- 57913628 +>>57901114 +Honestly for GB, if they have a good rep I have no issues just sending it out simultaneously with them sending the money order/certified check if it isn't too expensive. Sold a scope to an elderly man recently and timed it to where he got the optic on the same day I got the payment. 4 days, roughly. I'm just a private seller so it's not like it's my livelihood, but if you can trust the other party it doesn't even have to be slow. +--- 57914025 +>>57913628 +That happens to me sometimes too. Last thing I bought with a money order I told the guy I mailed it and he shipped the thing immediately lol I got it before he got the money order. +--- 57914058 +>Be autist, never done a money order before +>Go to post office, spaghetti getting ready to spill out of my pockets at any minute +>Wait, that wasn't actually that hard +>Only part that still makes me nervous now is triple-checking the address to make sure my dogshit handwriting gets understood +--- 57914081 +>>57900598 +I have never had a single issue sending a money order in my life. In my experience the ancient boomers that will only accept money orders tend to otherwise be a pleasure to do business with. +--- 57914336 +>>57900598 +>It's a relic of a bygone era. +As long as you're not a knuckle-dragging retard, you should have no problem using a money order unless the person you're sending it to is a bitchtits boomer who makes weird demands about how it has to be filled out. +In that case, it's not the money order's fault, it's just a boomer being a boomer. +>inb4 i bet you haven't even used a money order before b-bitch +I've yet to have a problem with them yet, but then again, I don't buy shit from GunBoomer on a regular basis. +--- 57914368 +>>57901481 +>high time preference: the movie +--- 57914377 +>>57911041 +Kino sexo. +--- 57915071 +am I the only zoomer who doesn't care about this shit? I'm not gonna sperg out if I have to, god forbid, go to the post office down the street and use my hand to write on something. + +having said that how does this work for buying things and having it shipped to an FFL? it's all the same, just a different shipping receiver, right? +--- 57915119 +>>57915071 +>am I the only zoomer who doesn't care about this shit? +Congrats on being able to function outside of your smart phone. You are a credit to your generation. +--- 57915156 +>>57915119 +I unironically use a flip phone. feels comfy man diff --git a/k/57900191.txt b/k/57900191.txt index d18d9184f7f09fc171c9164225dfea9bdf535a5b..cdee3e88bb6e4ef9382ad835fc13f4cf2c32d390 100644 --- a/k/57900191.txt +++ b/k/57900191.txt @@ -135,3 +135,110 @@ Warranty it. --- 57903094 >>57901996 Keep an eye out on the battery performance if you can. Heard InSight may have some battery drain issues to offset the power it puts out. +--- 57903984 +M3 review +--- 57904456 +What does your guys battery stash look like? +--- 57904561 +Any EUfag has a list of reputable sellers for europoors ? +--- 57904694 +>>57900407 +You get those free when you buy a cloud def light. Pretty good. +--- 57905250 +https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-developing-world-first-ultra-high-sensitivity-ilc-equipped-with-spad-sensor-supporting-precise-monitoring-through-clear-color-image-capture-of-subjects-several-km-away-even-in-darkness/ + +SPAD has the potential to match and exceed gen 3 in every respect except battery life. The first iterations might not do that. But if Canon pulls this off, it could revolutionize night vision. The major drawback is that SPAD chips could potentially, over time, come down in price to the point where every security camera has gen 3 level performance. Not sure I like the idea of that as the world is watched too much already. +--- 57905390 +>Unironically spent half a year's worth of my salary on high end dual tubes + helmet & mount etc. +>Now i take walks alone in the woods at night, something i did before but i'm less scared now +Still cry because i have no one to do it with, the tears make it hard to see through the nods sometimes, should i maybe buy my dad or brother a pair and ask him to go with me, or will they think of me more a failure for not having no friends? +My coworkers are all a bunch of cucks and i don't have contact to anyone from school anymore. +--- 57905393 +>>57901717 +>Bought from kosher +no refunds goy +--- 57905939 +>>57905390 +Get some Cat Crap that should help you see through the tears. +--- 57906009 +>>57905390 +>Unironically spent half a year's worth of my salary on high end dual tubes + helmet & mount etc. +>should I buy another setup for someone else +No retard +--- 57906024 +>>57905390 +Friends don't always make everything better. They aren't a magic cure-all. Something to think about. Let's say you do end up finding somebody to go with you. What will you do when they want to go back early? What will you do when they don't want to check what's over that next hill? Will you feel like you wasted a trip? My experience with this sort of thing comes from fishing. That is an example of something best done alone in my opinion. Yes, friends can make a bad day a bit more fun but you can't escape that latent pressure to put people on fish. This dictates the entire trip for me and heavily limits my freedom. I can't go explore new areas at the risk of not catching anything at all if I'm dragging people around. Don't let loneliness get to your head like that if you can help it. +--- 57906061 +>>57905390 +If you live in New England I'll go in the woods with you nigga +--- 57906176 +>>57905390 +What region are you in, anon? I'm sure theres people on here thatd go with you +--- 57906186 +>>57905390 +bro if half of your years salary is being spent on this stuff you should reevaluate your financial goals first. I hope you already have a 401k or IRA or something first and you have your major debts paid off. +--- 57906345 +Anyone had their lasersneed fail yet? Besides the qd mount issue. +--- 57906418 +>>57906345 +I haven't heard of any failing. They're used by a lot of Indonesian militaries now. +--- 57906567 +Ive had issues with the strobe coming on occasionally when I double tap the laser. +--- 57906657 +>>57904456 +Consumer Duracell stuff is dogshit nowadays. They leak like nobody's business. I use a plastic ammo carrier to keep batteries organized. I have eneloops for AA and AAA. I have a secondary ammo carrier in which I insert the discharged eneloops to keep track of them. +--- 57908186 +>>57905390 +Go out and meet friends, night vision is much more fun that way +--- 57908226 +Has anyone here tried this? Do you guys think it can survive being put on a 7,62x54R rifle? +--- 57908409 +>>57905390 +This >>57908186, check out astronomy clubs/groups they are one of the largest group of NVD owners. And you may enjoy star gazing and night photography and have more usage of your NVD. +--- 57908788 +>>57908409 +--- 57909040 +>>57908226 +x54R? idk. But people.have regularly shot it on SCAR17, it has a factory recoil reducing mount that works with 1.93 height scopes. +--- 57909050 +>>57908788 +based +--- 57909125 +>>57908226 +The FOV is pretty tight for head mounting so its best thought of as a "it can be head mounted" device and still better primarily used as a handheld scanner or short/medium range weapon mount device. +If you use the shock absorption mount they are rated up to 300 Win so 54r is easily in range. The QD direct mount is best used for 5.56 and lighter. The issue for 54r is likely to be getting it mounted rearward enough if you are using it standalone or having enough forward rail to use as a clip-on for something like a Mosin. +--- 57909435 +>>57909040 +>>57909125 +Thanks. +>The issue for 54r is likely to be getting it mounted rearward enough if you are using it standalone or having enough forward rail to use as a clip-on for something like a Mosin. +That shouldn't be an issue, I'm looking to mount it on a tigr with a third party side rail. +--- 57909505 +Watching a video about some redskins, what is this guy rocking? +--- 57910985 +bump +--- 57912122 +>>57906061 +>hookup pending +--- 57912765 +Is there any specific reason to get a lasersneed m3 over an fl5 when they're practically the same size and weight? +--- 57912959 +>>57912765 +If you don't need the light and want a QD. +--- 57914286 +>>57912765 +>>57912959 +Also protected wind and elevation turrets +--- 57914962 +>>57912765 +Better white light placement with the M3 +--- 57915034 +>>57914962 +the m3 doesnt have a white light??? +--- 57915106 +>>57905250 +Do you have access to this paper from 2021 on the sensor? +https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=9720605 +--- 57915135 +>>57915034 +No, but it does sit higher if you want to mount a white light underneath. diff --git a/k/57900572.txt b/k/57900572.txt index 9b1bb1ad95372d34068ce09012ba645c87d6e6e2..1b91becbd677c2f813ec2ea40aa6aab18ac8a52e 100644 --- a/k/57900572.txt +++ b/k/57900572.txt @@ -106,3 +106,81 @@ It also has a huge port and a huge airport. Sure, oil is become less important f --- 57903163 >>57900572 (OP) >500 rifles +--- 57903956 +>>57902057 +Can you imagine just how hard a third world shithole would get fucked into the earth if they even intimated that they would threaten that strait? +Every single nation that even has an air force would take turns running a train on them. Their land would be reduced back to its constituent fucking molecules. God it gets me hard just thinking about it. +--- 57903975 +zero wars under Trump. under illegal biden regime, MIC started wars again all over the world + +https://youtube.com/shorts/s_Pr73C7Qjc?feature=share +--- 57904001 +>>57903975 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2017 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2018 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2019 +Why would you make a statement so easilly debunked? +--- 57904006 +>>57903975 +Biden is needful of, please sir. +--- 57904013 +>>57901903 +>>57901998 +Europe freezes this winter, right? +--- 57904031 +>>57903975 +>zero wars under Trump. under illegal biden regime, MIC started wars again all over the world +aah yes we believe you English-speaking John from Chicago Oblast +--- 57904048 +>>57904001 +im sorry which of these non-usa conflicts is with a nuclear super power exactly? +--- 57904492 +>>57900595 +Fuck off tourist. /k/ has always been an African warfare appreciation board. +--- 57904549 +>>57904031 +John +--- 57904655 +>>57900572 (OP) + +Great updates anon. Keep them coming. Please. Right now this is just one of a bunch of armed conflicts in Africa, but thanks to you we get to follow one of them at least. Imagine if we had anons covering Mali, Congo, Libya... +--- 57904724 +>>57904655 +People in the DR Congo don't even know what's happening in the DR Congo... +Plus there's too many pro- Rwanda shills on /k/ and social media. +--- 57904976 +>>57900572 (OP) +So what's Somaliland's end game here? What are they hoping to gain from this conflict? +--- 57905093 +>>57904976 +To kick Somalia's teeth in so hard that they never try to invade SL again +--- 57905231 +>>57901713 +>da newfags! yet cites 7 year old rule +>ukrainian civil war +lol what a retard +--- 57906622 +>>57900572 (OP) +>>15 western nations and the EU officially demanded Somaliland stop it's war and leave the city of laascaanood +>>Somaliland replied saying no +--- 57906662 +>>57900595 +Kill yourself +--- 57906843 +Somaliland needs to start firing rockets and make that a frequent. +--- 57909576 +>>57900572 (OP) +Yeah I'm thinking based +--- 57911898 +>>57903956 +Retard it's important because *you* can put a base there *as* a first world country. +--- 57911910 +>>57904031 +>Trump means Russia! +Post gun +--- 57913529 +>>57909576 +Yes +--- 57913559 +>>57901713 +Do you even know why they made the rule and what the actual target was, newfag? diff --git a/k/57900669.txt b/k/57900669.txt index 95071f7734fe18010fa212f1099551fc057cd85d..e42e8956087f7c16c73da19178a8503baa900b11 100644 --- a/k/57900669.txt +++ b/k/57900669.txt @@ -107,3 +107,263 @@ T-72M2 Moderna Nord 1500 Griffon, French ramjet interceptor. --- 57903648 This thing is absolute sex. +--- 57903670 +>>57903641 +>>57903648 +looks fucking vile +--- 57903734 +Udes XX-20. +--- 57903803 +>>57903484 +>>57903489 +>destroying the kraut aviation industry +Based Americans. Wouldn’t want another chimpout (thankfully cancelled forever because germs can’t breed) +--- 57903817 +>>57903803 +ok kike +--- 57903836 +>>57903817 +>da jooz +Doubt they care about vanishing races +--- 57903964 +>>57903836 +you talk like a kike and frankly idgaf what kind of butthurt shithole you're from +--- 57903997 +>>57903964 +>da jooz +Again, doubt they care about geriatric shitholes +>shitholes +The one Germany imports since they can’t breed (German men being ugly af ain’t gonna cap) +--- 57904119 +>>57903997 +that's a lot of seething and projection, please do go on +--- 57904221 +>>57904022 +Would this be useful vs basic drones that just hover over to drop grenades? +--- 57904480 +57903997 +How many of your sisters did you sell to pay for the voyage from your shithole to Europe +--- 57904757 +>>57904627 +useless compared to attack helicopters +--- 57904935 +>>57904757 +But this is supposed to take down helicopters? +--- 57905114 +>>57904221 +It isn't even functional, the laser projectors and expensive electronics were taken out and probably sold or scrapped, it also had massive synthetic rubies to focus the laser beams. Laser weapons could open arguments that they might be used to blind enemy troops which is prohibited and possibly a war crime. +--- 57905120 +>>57905114 +>which is prohibited +As if that has ever stopped anyone. Besides my question stands. Would this be effective in cooking the cheapo hover drones? +--- 57905141 +>>57905120 +Melting them? No. Frying the camera and other optical equipment? Yes. If the radar it carries can detect small drones in the first place. +--- 57905148 +VGH +--- 57905165 +>>57905148 +>Iowa sized missile cruiser +Now this is sex +--- 57905173 +>>57905165 +the polaris is fun but I think this configuration looks better +--- 57905221 +>>57905165 +God bless Cool-kyou +--- 57905228 +>>57905221 +Imagine this launching a barrage on Beijing after their AA is crippled +--- 57905580 +>>57904757 +one helicopter has been deposited to your account +--- 57905601 +>>57905173 +friggen cool + +pic unrel +--- 57905969 +>>57905148 +>it looks like a cargo ship with missile turrets +Pass. +--- 57906230 +>>57904935 +interesting, I didn't know until now that PARS 3 LR is infrared guided +--- 57906243 +>>57906230 +It just werks +--- 57906506 +STROP II SPAAG +--- 57906631 +>>57906243 +debatable, there was some test of that missile in the desert that had a bad hit rate, but some people say the conditions were shit and the missile performed perfectly in temparate conditions like they exist in central Europe, so... +apparently the large container exists to cool the heatseeker of the missile so that targets can be acquired quicker than e.g. with the Javelin +--- 57906661 +If your answer isn't this what are you smoking? +--- 57906669 +>Canard's your F-15 +psssh...nothin +personnel...kid... +--- 57906814 +>>57906661 +> looks cool af first day +> a week later realize it looks slightly like jar jar binks +> cant unsee +--- 57906818 +>>57905148 +>guided missile battleship +--- 57907037 +>>57906661 +Is that GD on the front RBG? Can the commander make it pulsing rainbow? +--- 57907042 +>>57907037 +RGB, am retarded +--- 57907304 +>>57905221 +US Navy? +That was a Royal Navy concept lol.... +--- 57907422 +>>57903676 +Why? +--- 57907584 +>>57903803 +>>57903836 +>Based Americans +>vanishing races +50 million of whom are German, krauts aren't disappearing anytime soon +--- 57907962 +>>57907304 +A Royal Navy Concept. +With an SH-60 on the flight deck. +Posted in the May of 1995 issue of "U.S. Navy All Hands" magazine. + +Are you sure about that, anon? +--- 57908590 +>>57906814 +fuck you +--- 57909234 +This mysterious 1930s US autoloading rifle styled after the Model 1903 bolt-action rifle. It just looks so cool. Probably didn't work worth a damn. +--- 57909419 +>>57903491 +The issue with the Abrams X is going to be the final weight. + +The turret still has the same thickness and is heavier than the current Abrams turret, and they added extra hull armor to keep the crew safe. + +The fucker it going to weight 80-90 tons. +--- 57909438 +>>57909419 +Well, She’s over 280 so… +--- 57909449 +>>57905221 +This needs to be the cruiser replacement, Just a fuck ton of VLS. +--- 57909495 +>PZL-230 Skorpion +polish attack aircraft from the early 90s +--- 57909608 +>>57907584 +All of those are 60 year old boomers like Germans who never had children (just like Germans) +--- 57909786 +>>57907422 +"what if armored car got stuck in cross country? Oh yeah slap tracks on it for extra traction" I'd imagine +--- 57909796 +>Russians adapt a billions different rifles +>Don't adapt this sexy beast +--- 57910019 +>>57903472 + +That's because everything of value is stolen since decades from germany by the all-lies war criminals +--- 57910041 +>>57907584 + +german diaspora is 240 million and growing, sorry kikes +--- 57910542 +>>57903383 +>it's a shame that our enemies all stopped being our enemies for 30 years +No it isn't +--- 57910575 +>>57903659 +Is...is that an M551 turret with a 105mm gun? On an AAV? +>googles +Yes, that is exactly what that is. +--- 57910597 +>>57909234 +looks like it uses a shotgun-style semi-auto action +--- 57910780 +>>57902698 +Looks cute +--- 57910936 +>>57904627 +why tf was this cancelled? Why wouldnt you want a system that can destroy tanks safely from behind concealment. Literally to OP to exist +--- 57911035 +>>57910936 +as with so many things, because the soviet union collapsed +--- 57911413 +>>57909495 +yo buddy, still alive? +--- 57911716 +>>57903690 +Cute little fella +--- 57912365 +ZTZ-99 with 140mm cannon. +--- 57912397 +>>57900669 (OP) +>no era around the gun mantlet +--- 57912427 +>>57900669 (OP) +objekt 292 + +T-80 with a 152mm gun, objectivley terrifying and also objectivley not able to carry a sufficent amount of ammo +--- 57912443 +>>57909495 +when you accidentally hire an anime studio to design your aircraft +--- 57912446 +>>57900669 (OP) +Osório for national pride +--- 57912479 +>>57903509 +best tank in wargame +--- 57912524 +>>57900669 (OP) +I've got a lot of love in my heart for 140s and 152s +--- 57912555 +>>57900669 (OP) +the Su-47,for being stupid,russians have alot of sexy designs. + +(not effective,but sexy) +--- 57912571 +YF-12 +>AYO KELLY, WE NEED AN INTERCEPTOR +>Uhh... stick some missiles on that A-12 +Oh, what could have been. +--- 57912635 +>>57900669 (OP) +I audibly "VGH" whenever I think of it. +--- 57912731 +>>57912555 +This would be a horrifying CAS aircraft design. +--- 57912751 +>>57912635 +Where ammo go +--- 57912949 +>>57906661 +God I love it so much +--- 57912999 +>>57912571 +i swear to god, reamke this but with stealth and top of the range electronics, and extended range, and bam youve got the airforce's 6th generation fighter right there. +--- 57913025 +>>57912731 +horrifying like bad or like scary? + +cuz forward swept wings are pretty ideal for cas, they give much better control at high angles of attack +--- 57913071 +>>57906661 +What an absolute fucking dab on the rest of the planet lmao +--- 57913239 +>>57903493 +Look above, if you're getting blasted by mbt (or atgm fire) you've already fucked up. Unless you're a profound proponent of russian style of tank combat, then you need every bit of steel you can find. +--- 57913565 +>>57907037 +truly abrams x is for the gamer generation +--- 57914493 +>>57910575 +they got a lot of mileage out of that turret for prototypes diff --git a/k/57900820.txt b/k/57900820.txt index e4d28f53771d6a715089aa8f9d65ed4f4fc51877..bff825cca708577359aad78939d244e82b01e790 100644 --- a/k/57900820.txt +++ b/k/57900820.txt @@ -167,3 +167,294 @@ See what I mean? A German came by and did exactly what I said he would. They rea - stash ammo and illegal guns at home, get vanned, do it again, get vanned again... These weren't patriots, they were retarded larpers. It honestly scares me that the wannabe tier 1 units in my country don't have any idea about simple opsec/persec It is also telling that it's the KSK again, while the Kampfschwimmer (SEAL/UDT equivalent) simply keep being the quiet professionals without any scandals +--- 57903698 +>tfw planning to join the Bundeswehr soon + +How over is it for me bros +--- 57903727 +>>57900820 (OP) +>How do you fix the Bundeswehr? +You un-cuck- and unfuck Germany. +Quite the daunting task. +--- 57903748 +>>57900861 +>You are the elite chosen men to defend this great country. +>Unfortunately, you're not allowed to like this country +How. +This blows my mind. +>Make ultimate sacrifice to protect your own country +>Literally kill or be killed +>"Oh oh HeyHEY-BUDDY, Do you LIKE your country? OH WELL FUCK YOU THEN" +The Eternal German at work. +Incredible Volk you got there Hans. +--- 57903827 +>>57900861 +Crazy it was the 2nd company and not the 1nd lol those niggas did a motorbike race in the floor of their barracks but chill people. Btw the 2017 party was extremely exaggerated by left leaning media and politicians +>did my time in a support unit in the same garnison +--- 57903846 +>>57903698 +You are kinda safe if you joining Infantry/combat troops like Fallschirmjäger or Gebirgsjäger but the financial struggle will be visible everywhere. Be prepared to buy your own kit +--- 57903929 +>>57903846 +I was thinking Aufklärer or Jäger +--- 57903938 +>>57900820 (OP) +As long as the green party exists, bundeswehr will not. +And zoomers keep voting for them. Future is not nice. +--- 57903945 +>>57903748 +>the government you planned a coup against found out, gave you a fair trial and then put you in a comfy EU jail +Truly mind boggling how terrible and unfair and counter-productive it was. These were exactly the sort of people every nation wants kicking doors. +--- 57903960 +>>57900937 +It's always the same poster. He will talk shit and then cry about some sort of defense force when he gets called out. +--- 57903971 +>>57903960 +Nope, I only call Germans faggots once every few months. The gook shill and that one British autist also go after Germans but they do it out of nationalism and I do it because I hate your people. And because your reactions are always funny +Enjoy the energy prices btw +--- 57903976 +>>57900820 (OP) +Let's be honest guys, when ukraine loses, and the USA collapses from nigger fatigue, who's gonna stop the Russians from coming to Berlin? Once the jewnited states is gone, putin can just roll forward with battlefield nukes and a million man chinese volunteer force. +--- 57904003 +>>57903971 +>I come here to seethe about germans +You should go to /pol/ or /int/ then instead of posting your off topic garbage here Untermensch kun. +--- 57904011 +>>57900992 +>We nearly lost all of eastern Europe. +Okay, now tell me the downside. +--- 57904015 +>>57904003 +What’s off topic about saying Germans will go back to defunding their military when the Ukrainian war is over, krautard? Are you going to pretend it’s not true? Are we supposed to play along that you have simply the grandest military industry and are a great ally in times of war, that your weapons are great exports and that you could be a serious military power and it’s definitely going to happen, forreal, seriously guys? Even your mind must reject such delusions. +--- 57904017 +>>57900820 (OP) +>fixing eternal losers +lol lmao +--- 57904175 +>>57904015 +These are just just your own assumptions and strawmen and you have already established that you only come here to post your /pol/tier rants.there is nothing worth discussing with an animal like you.better change your posting style lest you get called out again in the future. +--- 57904192 +>>57904175 +So you think Germany will allocate significant funding to its military and reorganise and rearm it, in the post war period? +--- 57904269 +>>57903698 +>joining the Bundeswehr +>in any year beyond 1998 +Ok, you probably weren't even born in 1998, but it's still retarded. +--- 57904300 +>>57903698 +>How over is it for me bros +Very, from what mates told me it will be soul crushing. +You'll most likely feel like you've wasted your years there while being caught up in red tape and suffering from overbearing bureaucracy for the most inane things. +Your enthusiasm will be ground down by incompetence and a broken system until boredom and apathy will envelop you and your peers. +--- 57904328 +>>57900820 (OP) +There are several factors going into this. First of all a lot of equipment is at the end of its lifecycle. Replacing that takes time. Additionally, the new budget is being negotiated at this time. Of course they are crying to get better funding, thats politics 101. + +>>57900861 +Name a country that doesn't sanction military personel that compiles kill lists for a coup d'etat. +--- 57904428 +>>57904192 +a lot of the money is being wasted.the biggest problem is that the position of the defence minister was a meme title for decades.the SPD and CDU are full of shit.there will be a huge delay since they will both just continue to play hot potato and then blame whoever rules at the time for not doing anything.it's honestly hard to tell if it happens or not but it's becoming more likely with each month of the Ukraine war since that that keeps the terrible condition of the BW relevant. +--- 57904450 +>>57904328 +>Name a country that doesn't sanction military personel that compiles kill lists for a coup d'etat. +Japan before 1945 +--- 57904485 +>>57904450 +How’d that work out for them? +--- 57904586 +>>57900820 (OP) +Funny how several countries got more leopard tanks than Germany +--- 57904646 +>>57900820 (OP) +Remove Germans from all decision making processes, after working with some I have grown to hate them. +--- 57904653 +>>57904646 +Based +--- 57904660 +>>57900820 (OP) +Reintroduce national pride into Germany for a start +--- 57904678 +>>57904660 +Is it there, but it is there but its pride in Germany being subservient and progressive. +--- 57904752 +Interesting. As soon as there are arms shipments to Ukraine, hate the respective country threads pop up. +--- 57904787 +>>57904586 +And how many of them have 2A6 or more modern in higher numbers than Germany? +--- 57905774 +>>57903976 +The alarm clock. +--- 57905793 +>>57900820 (OP) +Every German man should be given a rifle and a crate of ammo from the Bundeswehr on his 18th birthday. +--- 57905879 +>>57904660 +What do modern day germans have to be proud of? +--- 57905964 +>>57903945 +>>the government you planned a coup against found out, gave you a fair trial and then put you in a comfy EU jail +>Truly mind boggling how terrible and unfair and counter-productive it was. These were exactly the sort of people every nation wants kicking doors. +Hey hey, calm down faggot. +No one mentionned a fucking Coup-d'Etat. +Can you provide some form of Article or Proof of this? +I just found out about this thing today, so hold your horses. + +I'm always open-minded for new information that contradicts the previous version of events. + +In the pic the Anon posted there is not a single mentionned of a Coup, which is weird, because it should have been the frontline part of such a news story. + +So please, do us a favor and back-up your post by providing some form of confirmation / Article / source / press conference to. +You made a claim to Debunk the previous claim, therefore it's your job to provide proof of some sort. + +It's not that I don't believe you, I'm just confused about how I didn't hear about this until now. Wouldn't an attempted Coup-d'Etat against the German State be frontline news in the EU? +That's why I'm asking for proof. +--- 57906056 +>>57900861 +>far-rights loonies +>patriots +the absolute state of vatniks +--- 57906421 +>>57905964 +https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-insider-threat-far-right-extremism-in-the-german-military-and-police/ +https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/podcasts/far-right-german-extremism.html +https://taz.de/taz-Recherche-auf-Englisch/!5558072/ +There are ofc a lot more in-depth sources in German. +Short summary: armed groups plan for a day x when public order breaks down (what day x is varies over time, also they start to get accelerationistic towards the end), they will take over local police and army barracks, "reestablish order" and take out any political enemies +If you speak German and want to read in-depth about this, the book Staatsfeinde in Uniform is pretty good; some small hurr durr private gun ownership bad passages, but otherwise very well researched and honestly frightening +--- 57906451 +>>57900820 (OP) + +>reduce authorized strength to 100,000 men +>reintroduce Reichswehr-tier training standards +--- 57906487 +>>57900861 + +What are we counting as "right-wing" incidents? + +Daring to say Soviet soldiers engaged in mass rape when they captured Berlin? +Daring to say that maybe uncontrolled immigration is a bad idea? +Reposting a pregnant Anne Frank meme? +--- 57906497 +>>57903660 +>Kampfschwimmer (SEAL/UDT equivalent) simply keep being the quiet professionals without any scandals + +Mean while in America... +--- 57906518 +>>57900916 +>ready to launch a coup at the behest of the KGB +This is who these people consider "patriots". +--- 57906531 +>>57906487 +Having detailed plans for toppling the government on behest of the Soviets counts as a "right-wing" incident. +The perils having terminal direction brain syndrome. +--- 57906553 +>>57906531 +>Having detailed plans for toppling the government on behest of the Soviets counts as a "right-wing" incident. + +Oh, I thought that was a different incident, or were the dumbasses caught doing it again? +--- 57906604 +>>57906487 +As far as I remember: nazi salutes, singing of forbidden songs, using forbidden insignia, too far right memes and quips +Maybe as an addendum for understanding, the official Bundeswehr traditions rules say that there's hard cut between any third reich and east german forces and the Bundeswehr, meaning the Bundeswehr tradition is based mainly on 19th century military thinkers (e.g. Clausewith), military resistance during the third reich (Stauffenberg), and everything after 1965. Anything between 1918 and 1945 is taboo, the rest depends e.g. German campaign of 1813 is okay, since we take our national colours from there +So within the German overton window, they were far outside conservatism and into seriously not okay right wing territory +--- 57906773 +>>57901010 +If only they explode. Nuclear reactors leak. That was the main problem with Chernobyl. A single corium would've been able to poison four whole countries for decades if they didnt isolate it. The consequences would've been devastating for europe as a whole, considering that ukraine and poland are the main exporters of grain in the continent. +The reason why nuclear was banned was because the risks massively outweight the gains, a tiny error would cause irreparable damage. +Not only that, but the fact that countries universally known for their lack of security measures like Russia, Africa or china use reactors is enough of an excuse to declare them war, they're building dirty bombs with continent spanning radiuses +--- 57908068 +>>57906773 +Modern designs are really fucking safe, problem is energy firms are shitting on safety regulations to increase profits. Rules of modern economics: you get to keep the profits and let the public pay for the losses +--- 57908091 +>>57901122 +>Patriotism is when you let an evil government destroy your country and replace your people +--- 57908146 +>>57900820 (OP) +Short of a short-lived fascist revival I don't see how it's possible. Germany is the most mainland europe of the mainland europeans. The only thing a German hates more than his country is himself. +--- 57908784 +>>57906531 +Soviets? Wtf are you talking about +--- 57910190 +>>57901122 +i.e., they got dismantled for being patriots +--- 57910462 +>>57900820 (OP) +realize its not the cold war anymore. +You are now like the netherlands in the cold war. basically you got a buffer zone between yourself and ivan. Don't waste your money and remake the BW into what it was before 89. +--- 57912046 +>>57903976 +The hell is the Blue White Blue with the red white red hanging off it supposed to be? +The color scheme only really fits Argentina.... wiith red white red being Canada but that doesn't make much sense, also whats the red blue white behind Russia supposed to be? +--- 57912051 +you dissolve it and the german state entirely. +--- 57914501 +>>57912051 +based +--- 57914513 +>>57906773 +How are Germans so retarded about nuclear power when France is literally next door? It’s incredible. Was it an actual Gasprom psyop? +--- 57914536 +>>57914513 +You see anon, France bad. +--- 57914545 +>>57900820 (OP) +As a german I say follow the money. + +The BW's budget hasn't even been that bad over the last few years but the results were awful. +I got a strong hunch the money was funneled into other governmental bullcrap such as supporting our new "guests". +My opinion is that there were and are real shady backroom deals between several governmental agencies where money is transfered in a way much different from the annual budget plans and invisible to the populace. +Like +>Officially the BW is to receive 340 billions in FY 2022 +>In reality 80% of the money gets funneled away from defense. +--- 57914634 +>>57912046 +dunno the first one but the little kid is serbia +--- 57914747 +>>57900992 +Holy shit anon, they literally spell it out for you in the first episode, that the series is about what the cost of lies are (ie communism) not ‘muh nuclear power bad’ +--- 57914815 +>>57900861 +Anon, the ''''patriots'''' you admire were reaching out to the Russian government for assistance (which they may or may not have received) and received funding from Russian individuals. They were committing treason in every sense of the word. + +https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/07/german-police-raids-target-far-right-reich-citizens-movement +--- 57914840 +>>57906553 +>>57908784 +To explain: The KSK was already notorious for rampant right-wing sentiment within its ranks, but during the investigation of the 2022 German coup d'etat plot it was found that several former members were heavily involved, with one Lieutenant Colonel being a ringleader. And given that there are some very suspicious links between the plotters and Russian individuals (if not the Russian government itself), accusations of treason are definitely well-founded. +--- 57914876 +>>57908068 +Which brings us to the main question; if a system is safe in theory but can catastrophically fail with neglect in practice, is it really safe if you can never regulate the human element? +--- 57915209 +>>57914513 +Nah, the problem is that some vapid cunt wrote an anti-nuclear propaganda book only a few months after Chernobyl went pop, and somehow that book got on the required reading list for German education. So every single German kid since like, the late 80s, comes out the educational pipeline already propagandized against nuclear energy. +--- 57915237 +>>57915209 +Lol no, every state has their own reading list. Also the organized anti nuclear power movement existed in Germany since the 70s +--- 57915260 +>>57900861 +>swear oath to serve the democratic government +>betray democratic government +>job stolen +Woooooooow! +--- 57915279 +>>57914876 +Anon chemical refineries are more dangerous long term. Petrochemicals are also vulnerable to causing massive damage with neglect. Irresponsible disposal of solar panels is a major pollutant. +Ultimately arguments against nuclear come down to +>someone told me it was super scary and dangerous so it must be +--- 57915295 +>>57914513 +>Was it an actual Gasprom psyop? +Yes, but Germany was also fertile ground for it. +You might not see this on the news, but Germany has a lot of deep-rooted problems. +>historical guilt +>rampant luddism +>which leads to massive issues for all digital services and innovation as well as their distrust of genetics and nuclear power and lead to VW almost becoming uncompetitive until they got several wake up calls in a row +>deep-seated subtle chauvinism that undermines their economy as much as it props it up +>organized crime run by Stasi remnants infiltrating every layer of society +>utter complacency about their economy that is comparable only to the likes of France, USA and Russia +>an obsession with labor rights and regulations that combines with the above to make German labor some of the most unpleasant and uncompetitive on the continent; we're not talking about healthy "I won't do illegal things or let myself get pushed around" behavior, we're talking "I will close at exactly 18-00, despite knowing that truckers got caught in traffic and it's Friday. I don't care that this move will fuck the company, fuck the truckers, fuck our clients and fuck over 20 towns down the supply chain, I'm not staying a second too long on the job." +--- 57915322 +>>57914545 +You can't undo 25 years of neglect with just several years of merely adequate budget. You need about a decade of fixing both the armed forces and the educational system and the rest of the economy. diff --git a/k/57900928.txt b/k/57900928.txt index 2d5e01a754a423d5f23239fb4b9ef1c45b0214b8..cbf438724115d302419c9945780c49cbaf67ceab 100644 --- a/k/57900928.txt +++ b/k/57900928.txt @@ -136,3 +136,787 @@ colonizer hands in narva typed this >>57900928 (OP) >What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here? nice try Putin but people here know what opsec is +--- 57903666 +>>57903548 +>Why would you fight in this meaningless war? +To kill more ruzzians of course! +--- 57903667 +>>57903577 +They need to control a land bridge to Crimea to hold it. If they lose that and the kerch strait bridge is taken down it's only a matter of time before any forces defending Crimea are under supplied and either have to pull out or be destroyed +--- 57903704 +>>57901007 +>>peace treaty +Not possible until Russia withdraws from all territories annexed by fake referenda after military occupation or you drag the globe back to 1933. Russia should have considered that. +>>57901007 +>>east/west ukraine +Not Happening +>>57901007 +>>cold war 2: back in the habit +Russians and their deluded supporters like you are either too stupid or too badly educated to realise that RUSSIA IS NOT the USSR and the USSR was not very good to begin with. The USSR collapsed not because of the evil west but because it was an economical and social basket case that had continual shortages, mass murders, dictators like stalin and a dystopian passion for banning books. Russia is not the USSR though see Ukaine, Latvia, Estonia, Lihuania and there is no warsaw pact, Poland, Hungary the Czechs East germans etc never want to be under Russian rule again. Russia has had all its smartest and best flee under Putin leaving behind the retards, 1/3 of its population are semi illiterate pensioners who keep pictures of 'father stalin' on their walls. The place is a crumbling mass of hundreds of cities and towns created in the middle of nowhere because of a factory. A billion meters squared of crumbling concrete built out of stupidity and terror of a dictator who could kill you and your entire extended family with a frown. The place is fucked. Cold war with who? the Weest? Little rotting failed state Russia in a cold war with the USA/EU/NATO/G7 the greatest economic, military, technological, cultural and diplomatic power the world has ever known? This is why you cunts are so deluded you Don;t even realise why people read your bullshit and thing you are completely insane. Hint. (you) are. Ukraine does not have to make peace it has powerful friends and is in the right, the vast majority of nations in the world agree on that. 40 Nations are helping Ukraine militarily openly (there are only 31 in NATO) more are doing it quietly. +--- 57903710 +>>57900928 (OP) +Cut down into Melitopol and cut off Crimean landbridge. Vatniks in Kherson will then be fucked and forced to retreat to Crimea, where they'll be entirely reliant in the damaged bridge and figure out whether to commit and more resources in to try ans hold on to Crimea, or abandon it and try to save their troops and see how many of them they can move over the bridge or pick up by boat. + +Alternately, find some weakspot in Donbass where the constant flailing at Bakhmut might have weakened the forces defending it. I'm curious to see how effective Russian defence in depth is. +--- 57903812 +>>57900928 (OP) +Look for the most undermanned, insolated point have the mechanized assault brigades hit it with the fury of a thousand suns, then broad the gap with your second echelon troops and push your reserve units through it for the juicy, soft Russian rear echelon. Do this on more than one site at once and watch how fast the vatnik maginot line crumbles and routs, + +We invented defense in deep one hundred years ago for a reason. +--- 57903838 +>>57900928 (OP) +Going for Berdyansk to cut the landbridge, then left towards Melitopol (which could then be threatened from two directions). Perhaps scaring the Russians into reinforcing Mariupol. +And if they can find the men for it (and the Russian lines are weakened), try to do something near Svatove to really fuck up the Russian logistics in Luhansk oblast (important railways in that area). +--- 57903869 +>>57903577 +>He’s much more concerned for Crimea in order to secure the Black Sea gas field. +If the Kremlin cared about gas then why did they launch this war? It would take decades to bring back the gas production already lost, far greater than anything they could gain in Ukraine, and sell to who? What you're talking about is retarded. +--- 57903953 +>>57900928 (OP) +break through somewhere between zaphorizia and donetsk and cut the land bridge +the alternative would be to cross the dnipr at kherson and cut crimea off, then move east. +at some point the russian bridge on the azov sea will get blown up to starve crimea out. +whichever way they go, cutting off the land bridge would be the main objective. +--- 57903963 +Dude, I just want Azov to go back to Mariupol, will be the biggest kino of this war +--- 57903966 +>>57901120 +Because that would be attacking in exactly the way the Russian military expects you to and is disposed to prevent. +--- 57903982 +While some fascists may have claimed to support political progress, their actions and beliefs often contradicted this claim. Fascism is inherently reactionary in its rejection of liberal democracy and individualism, which are key components of political progress. Fascists sought to establish a strong, centralized state that would impose its will on the population, which is antithetical to the principles of democracy and individual rights. Additionally, many fascist regimes actively worked to suppress or reverse social and political progress that had been made in their countries prior to their rise to power. Overall, while fascists may have paid lip service to the idea of progress, their actions and beliefs were fundamentally opposed to it. +--- 57903987 +There seems to be a notable defense gap in temporary occupied Bryansk. +--- 57904028 +>>57900928 (OP) +They will not go through those defense lines but do a counterattack around Bakhmut to encircle attacking Russian forces. They are betting on political instability and Russian infighting to finish off the invasion, and since they invested so heavily into Bakhmut, it would be a good and safe way to ferment that. +--- 57904063 +>>57900928 (OP) +>course of action +after the march 9 attack in lviv i doubt we will gonna see anything serious from ukraine +serious=an actual counter offensive in multiple big sides +--- 57904283 +>>57900928 (OP) +Completely fuck over everyone's expectations and mass all your armored and motorized reserves for an offensive along the Kursk-Voronezh road, bypassing must of Russia's prepared defenses and threatening Moscow directly thus forcing the Russian to give up their positions and withdraw to new defensive lines. +--- 57904351 +>>57900928 (OP) +I'd take Rostov bypassing the city but destroying anything and everything on the way there and every bridge and rail line on the way back. After sitting in Ukraine laughing while refuelling and rearming I would turn on the quivering mobiks in Russian territory who had just lost their entire logistic train and tear straight down the coast from Rostov to Crimea all the way to Kherson. Then a little sleepy and go on another grand tour. None of this staic defensive line bullshit, use those highly mobile upgraded experienced and effective forces like a giant barbed wire whip just marauding the fuck out of Russia. +Where would I attack? Where ever is weakest. This is how Rommel conquered France +--- 57904394 +>>57904351 +>how Rommel conquered France + In a single day, his division drove 240km, with Rommel leading in his command tank. +--- 57904415 +>>57904394 + +Pervitin was a thing back then +--- 57904418 +>>57904394 +>>57904351 +While this may sound stupid to some of you, Rostov is only 300KM from Donetsk. Such an expedition is entirely within the capabilities of the equipment and men. The logistical effect on Russian forces in Ukraine and psychological effect on Russia would be devastating. It is at most a five day Operation from a breakout point to Rostov laying mayhem and the return while eliminating every rail and road bridge etc. The refit is a week, then another punch through and down the coast through to Kherson. +--- 57904430 +>>57900928 (OP) +>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here? +Take over Belgorod and then continue towards Moscow. +--- 57904431 +>>57904415 +Still is in Czechia, sure they can donate. +--- 57904440 +>>57903548 +B8 +>>57904415 +So use it (amphetamine). The Ukrainian soldat at will have a wonderful time. The German problem was they developed dependence. +>>57901041 +Your weak stupid nation 'russia' deserves to cease to exist. +--- 57904459 +>>57904440>>57904418 +>>57904415 +>>57904394 +>>57904351 + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssFOFrXqNs [Embed] + +THEY'RE BACK +--- 57904473 +>>57903645 +you can, but slowly, and at a great expense. Warsaw has a subway line underneath the vistula river, and it was dug through shitty dirt-like terrain. It just took multiple years to accomplish. From what I remember the diggers had to use liquid nitrogen to freeze the soil enough for a drill to go through and put concrete around it. I don't remember details but it was a bitch and a half, but can be done even in the worst of conditions. +--- 57904478 +>>57903645 +not with that attitude +--- 57904484 +OPUS MAGNUM VOCAT VOS +STELLAE SIGNA SUNT IN CAEIO +ET LIBERTAS POPULORUM +--- 57904494 +>>57904440 +>The Ukrainian soldat at will have a wonderful time. +--- 57904511 +>>57901701 +>she +--- 57904523 +Kaliningrad, through Poland +--- 57904531 +>>57903563 +--- 57904536 +Simple as +--- 57904540 +Total zigger death +--- 57904569 +>>57903645 +Egyptians dug under the Nile many times to make their subway system. If sand niggers can manage it, slavs can too +--- 57904786 +armchair gneeral, but I don't know why they would'nt thunder run that North/South road that's about in the middle of Melitopol/Mariupol. The goal of the operation has to be to make continued occupation of the south untenable, and that can only be done by completely severing supply. + +rather than go and do some urban combat where vatniks would use ukr civvies as shields, go through the lesser populated area until you hit berdyansk. The russians know mariupol is too significant politically to lose, so they'll garrison that side, so just get enough take enough territory to keep your supply out of fire control. Then start building defenses will HIMARSing the Kerch bridge until it collapes +--- 57904807 +>>57900928 (OP) +Most hilarious would be armored thrusts that envelop the forces attacking Bakhmut. +--- 57904877 +>>57904786 +>HIMARSing the Kerch bridge until it collapes +Sadly with the current ammo types available to UAF this is only possibly from within Crimea. +--- 57904890 +>>57904786 +>>57904877 +Please petition your government to give ATACMS +--- 57905409 +>>57903963 +For trial, maybe +--- 57905437 +>>57905409 +so uh, did you not hear about the fact that all the Azov guys were returned via prisoner swap and even given Iphones? +--- 57905697 +A feint attack on Belgorod, followed by probing attacks up and down the line and then exploitation of any breakthroughs using reserve elements. If Russia thought this was going onto their territory they'd freak out and pull units from everywhere else to try to stop it. +--- 57905756 +>>57900928 (OP) +Surrender, stop letting conscripts die for nothing. +--- 57905771 +>>57903869 +No one ever accussed Russia ofnhaving good long term planning. +--- 57905808 +>>57905791 +I don't have any of those things anon. Please don't go murdering random innocents out of some misguided anger over a lost cause on the internet! +--- 57905818 +>>57905808 +It's an analogy, I'm not Russian so rape and kidnapping aren't really something I enjoy. +--- 57905859 +>>57905818 +I don't get it, maybe rework your analogy so it is understandable? +--- 57905881 +>>57904028 +Agreed. +--- 57905906 +>>57900928 (OP) + +What about this? +--- 57905947 +>>57900961 +Yes like the eternally Russian city of Kherson +--- 57905948 +>>57905859 +Russia invades Ukraine, raping women and kidnapping children en masse. Ukraine fights back to try to prevent this, and manages to keep most of the country safe while fighting to liberate those areas currently occupied. +>conscripts are dying for nothing +Retard. +--- 57905957 +>>57900928 (OP) +attacking north and breaking the line north. force russia to reform lines back in the OG border. take the major roads supplying donetsk and take the city. +if they somehow defend all this it will force russians to troops from mariupol melitopol area and donetsk north, which is thd original goal anyways, in which case you switch to an offensive south to mariupol and melitopol and cut supplies to crimea and everything south of kherson. You bomb the crimea bridge and now that entire area falls by itself. +--- 57905987 +>>57903667 +They’ll slowly starve to death. There’s no need to go in there and destroy them + +>>57903869 +Putin thought he had the Germans permanently on his side, but they grew a spine for the first time in decades and told him to fuck off. Now he’ll be stuck selling cheap gas to India and China for decades to come +--- 57906017 +>>57901105 +1 use krokodil +2 get aids +--- 57906042 +>>57905957 +this is what i've been thinking about as well. people keep writing off the importance of donetsk and luhansk but those places have become extremely symbolic of russias bullshit since 2014 for the ukrainians. + +i'm pretty sure the ukrainian soldiers in particular would love to raise their flag over the airport. +--- 57906053 +>>57905906 +aint this area just a bunch of useless swamps and also a huge pocket? +--- 57906060 +>>57901701 +she can sit on my face and dump air aids down my throat +--- 57906071 +>have NATO announce that the training of Ukrainian pilots of the F-16 are complete and that F-16s have already been delivered. +>Begin hammering positions in the north with JDAMs and MLRS and make probing attack with some new armor. +>Wait for Russia to panic shift up north. +>Send the real attack in pincers around Bakhmut encircling a large part of Russia's combat power as they are off balance and trying to shift resources. +>Push south and cut Russia in half, bomb the Crimea bridge. +>Rest and dig in, Russia will now have to pull out of the South leaving only Donbas and Crimea to deal with. +--- 57906164 +>>57903838 +Russian defences are impenetrable. It is an undisputed fact Hohols have thrown hundreds of thousands of bodies at Russia with 0 success, in stark contrast Russia has even gained territory in some places. + +This will go down in history as one of the most striking defensives. I predict that by 2025 NATO will be a broken shell of its former self. We are at a tipping point where western decline is increasingly evident and gradually replaced with multipolarity in international relations Russia might soon find itself on the offensive. +--- 57906200 +>>57906164 +--- 57906303 +>>57900928 (OP) + +Taking into account Ukraine's past methods, my guess would be to exploit that little hole in the Zaporizhnia line to rush to Bilmak. If this proves successful, launch several other pressure attacks at the Melitopol, Kremina and most importantly, the Troitske direction to prevent a quick correction of troop placement. Then just use this momentum to push down to Berdiansk, and then try to push the Russians behind the rivers that run to the sides of this plain. + +Once Russia really ratches up the pressure, go full fuckforce on Troitske. Then take a month or 2 to consolidate your gains. + +Results: + +>No significant moral or propaganda victory +>No reclaiming of "propaganda cities" like Severodonetsk +>Complete severing of the Crimea landbridge +>Putting the Crimean bridge and the azov sea in range of a significant portion of Ukraine's missile arsenal. +>Get natural defences to recuperate. +>Sever the primary logistic artery supplying Svatove, Kremina and Severodonetsk. Because half of fucking Luhansk is supplied using the Troitske train line. + + +Then just go Kherson 2.0 and sit on your ass for a few months while the poor fuckers stuck in Russian occupied Kherson start calling up their grandpa for good recipes using shoe soles, because there is no way in fucking hell you are keeping the entire region supplied using just the supplies that their black sea ports can provide. + +And then just wait. Wait for Russia to either have to give ground in Kherson or just route their asses, and then push into Luhansk from the north and go for Starobilsk. + +Just ignore Russian efforts to push into the Avdika defensive line and Donbas military district; they are defensive cities and if Russia wants to break their hands on them, fucking let them. +--- 57906771 +>>57901664 +>mfw you made me remember the Kherson counter offensive +--- 57907078 +>>57903966 +>and is disposed to prevent. + +How? They knew Ukrainians were going to push them out of Kherson and the best they could do was to just get the fuck out before they were overrun and destroyed. + +There's a 150km section of the front in the South thay's basically like that, except there's even less operational depth and the body of water behind the Russians' backs is a fucking sea, not a river. + +People don't understand how fucked the Russians are right now, and this thing hasn't even started yet. Imagine that shallow land bridge after a few 30-50km advances have been made. How are you even going to supply the defenders with artillery ammunition. +--- 57907144 +Here you go. +--- 57908375 +>>57900928 (OP) +extradite Jewlinsky to a Russian Gulag with a wooden door. +--- 57908626 +>>57900928 (OP) +>>57904536 +Same thought. Just go north, avoid the defensive lines, and push for Moscow. If Russia wants to use nukes they'd have to nuke their own territory. Ignore the donbas small dick territory gain, how about a Russia-sized big dick gain. +--- 57908672 +>>57900928 (OP) +Force their logistics to take the looooooooong way around. +--- 57908789 +>>57904536 +based Su-27 +--- 57908800 +lines or no lines, it will just come down to the firepower behind. the construction is not impressive, nor deep +--- 57908814 +>>57900928 (OP) +Belarus, open a new flank and threaten Kaliningrad. +--- 57908819 +Operation rolling pig, fake retreat then swing around. +--- 57908829 +>>57900928 (OP) +Push into Kursk and force them to redeploy and/or strain their resources even more. +--- 57908870 +>>57900928 (OP) +Surrender, obviously. +--- 57908919 +>>57903704 +>treaty +>Not possible +Does the west have enough equipment to push through 200km to donetsk oblast border? It isnt early '22 with 100km long convoys. +It seems the war will end the same way as landgrab from 2014 (unless pussia implodes in two more weeks) +--- 57909420 +>>57901366 +Ah yes, Operation "Siberian Anal", it never fails* +--- 57909496 +>>57903704 +>until Russia withdraws from all territories annexed by fake referenda after military occupation or you drag the globe back to 1933 +So, right after kicking you and your comrades back to the original Israel border? +--- 57909586 +>>57901041 +>new russian JDAMs + +LMAO, glonass is garbage. +LMAO, he actually thinks russian "JDAMs" are good against mobile targets. +--- 57909650 +>>57901664 +Reverse cargo cult cope. Ukraine recaptured like 12,000 km in the Kharkiv counteroffensive in a few days. But tbf they actually used like a whole grand strategy and stuff that was more complicated than just having waves of mobiks attack the same city for 8 months. +--- 57909738 +The right move is to surrender to Russia at this point. I don't think Ukraine can win. +--- 57910073 +>>57901366 +The Hannibal Plan +--- 57910095 +>>57903563 +I think they'll get bogged down roughly over here +Just a feeling I have +--- 57910123 +>>57910095 +Chestnut bilgliri? +--- 57910161 +>>57901366 +Wouldn't work, the chinks would snitch on the southern flank and the frogs on the northern flank. +--- 57910167 +>>57901038 +They aren't going to cross the Dnieper in any force unless they can completely destroy Russia's artillery first, which is almost impossible without air control. +--- 57910168 +>>57901105 +What's the tat on her wrist? Is it in honor of the teeth she has left? +--- 57910184 +>>57910168 +>her +>she +--- 57910312 +>>57900928 (OP) +>Attack the lines that have been built up since 2014 + +They can swoop around and nobody would expect them to go that far which is why it will work. +--- 57910344 +>>57910312 +Why do you retards keep thinking they're gonna cross the Russian border? Zelensky couldn't sell this as a defensive war, then +--- 57910375 +>>57901105 +i would finish this war myself for her +--- 57910385 +>>57910344 +They think Crimea is Ukrainian. It really should be an independent state for the Tatars. +--- 57910392 +>>57910344 +And who the fuck is to stop them when they already have all the NATO equipment? The wrath of Zelensky ends when he says it does. +--- 57910469 +>>57909738 +The funny thing is Russia already "lost". Anything Russia can possibly gain out of continued efforts in this war has come at a cost so great it's incomprehensible. Every day this war continues is another complete disaster regardless of how many Ukrainians Putin decides to murder. + +Best case scenario (for Russia)Ukraine runs out of manpower and Russia deals with an eternity of insurgency. +--- 57910502 +>>57910469 +I think Russia will only take the areas with ethnic Russians. +--- 57910570 +>>57910469>>57908919 +>>57909496 + +Russia has indeed already lost this war and there is no turning it around. +--- 57910586 +>>57910502 +>I think Russia will only take the areas with ethnic Russians. +You fucking retard. Seriously. The average IQ in Russia must have dropped 30 points over the last 30 years. Russia is keeping nothing it took in 2014. Sniff reality. +--- 57910599 +>>57910586 +You really think Russia will lose? Why? +--- 57910604 +>>57900928 (OP) + +they should start marauding around belgorod and kursk. collapse the entire northern defense. raise UKR flag over Russian towns. +--- 57910625 +>>57910604 +UNLEASH THE HUNGARIANS. +--- 57910657 +>>57910599 +Pattern recognition +--- 57910669 +>>57910599 +Because Russia went all in on this war and can't even capture Bahkmut. At no point in time has Russia displayed any level of competence let alone intelligence during this war. + +Now in the coming months Russia will be facing the harsh reality of fighting NATO tech with fucking T-55s. + +This Ukrainian offensive is going to be a slaughter; land bridge to Crimea will be cut and the kerch bridge will be HIMARS food by the end of 2024. +--- 57910690 +>>57910599 +Why would you think Russia would win? + +Why do you think Russia didn’t win in Afghanistan? Why didn’t the us win in Vietnam or Afghanistan? +What is Russia doing differently and better this time around, than what Russia or the US did in Afghanistan? + +What to you are some key critical requirements throughout history that are needed for a successful invasion, occupation, and annexation? And which of those would you say Russia has met, and which does currently still need to meet? And on what timeline will they be met? +--- 57910692 +>>57910669 +You think it will go on for that long? I wonder how much more Ukraine can lose manpower-wise. +--- 57910705 +>>57910690 +I am not saying Russia will. I am not seeing how Ukraine wins if they keep saying their manpower is so low. I am also no seeing how Russia wins. It feels like WW1. +--- 57910713 +>>57910599 +Now will loos. Has lost. Russia HAS lost this war. There is no possibility of it winning this war on any terms that including retaining any territory taken in 2014 or even keeping Putin and every day that passes more of the Russian military and economy gets erased. There is no possibility of Russian victory. Russia has lost all its professional and trained ground forces, all its modernised APCs/IVFs/MBTs as well as catastrophic losses of equipment and personnel reserves. Russia is undergoing logistical collapse and is the most sanctioned nation in history. Have you been living under a rock for the last year? Do you really not understand that Russia has lost this war, again not will loose but has already lost. The scale of the final defeat just grows daily at this point. The catastrophic state of Russian logistics, the extended front lines, the low quality troops, the vehicle shortages, the desperate antics of wagner, the utter futility of the Russian position diplomatically, economically and militarily.....Even nuclear weapons won;t change Russian loosing this war. Nothing can. It is done. If Russia does not withdraw it will soon loose the ability to do so in any organised manner. +--- 57910716 +>>57910705 +>It feels like WW1 +So Ukraine wins and Russia gets demilitarized, neat +>muh no winners waaaaaaaah +--- 57910729 +>>57910713 +>t-they lost already! +>while occupying 20% of the enemy's territory +--- 57910741 +>>57908672 +Russia was boating supplies to crimea when the bridge was hit. +--- 57910746 +>>57903963 +Yeah I'm pretty hyped for it. +--- 57910750 +>>57910729 +But hey, he posted the official Kyiv propaganda numbers, thats a sure sign of Ukraine winning! +--- 57910754 +>>57910729 +it's already over for Ukraine as a country. +--- 57910762 +>>57910312 +No roads to go south, they would have to take belgorod and Voronezh and by then Putin would honestly probably launch nukes. +--- 57910766 +>>57910729 +Fair point, all it costed Russia was their entire military. +--- 57910776 +>>57910729 +Yes that’s a definite loss m8. +>War goal for was 100%. +>A year later they are at 20%. +> They were at 40% 8 months ago. +>This is winning +--- 57910784 +>>57910729 +Is Ukraine actually the enemy of Russia though? +--- 57910785 +>>57910750 +>>57910729 +You do realise you stopped even sounding remotely sane months ago and just like some German in Berlin with a loudhailer screaming about how there are still German troops in Hungary in 1945? You vatniggers just sound fucking crazy to anyone who spends any time looking at war. Russia is done. Game Over. Russia has lost this war. Do you understand Y/N +--- 57910799 +>>57910716 +LOLOL + +>>57910713 +I'm not seeing it. You keep making these claims, but it seems like Russia isn't going anywhere. + +>>57910729 +>>57910729 +Isn't the goal to just get the regions they want and call it a day? +--- 57910833 +>>57910785 +> ", he frantically slapped into his keyboard, while overdosing on his own supply. +--- 57910836 +>>57910785 +>just like some German in Berlin with a loudhailer screaming +Thats a good thinking actually! Ukraine vs Russia atm is roughly the same ratio of troops as Germany had vs Allies. And Zelensky is running around shouting magical words "we gonna win them soon by magical offensive!" just as Hitler was. Kek. +--- 57910837 +>>57910570 +nice fake numbers vatnik. It's actually 350k KIA and 500,000 wounded. +--- 57910846 +>>57910799 +No, Russia's goal was to conquer every country between them and the Atlantic, which means pootin lost. +--- 57910867 +>>57901366 +time is a flat circle +--- 57910884 +>>57910705 +Bro how the fuck does any defending army win? How did the Vietnamese win? How did the Taliban win? + +All Ukraine has to do to win is continue to exist and wait for Russia to collapse on itself. Like what don’t you get here? It’s essentially impossible and has been for the bast century to just invade another country and “win” in the long run. Everyone that doesn’t like you will just keep helping the people you’re fighting until you run out of political will or economic and military ability to continue. + +Like if saddam’s army was still alive in summer of 2004 and saddam was still shitposting from his palace a year into the invasion of iraq while the US struggled to controlled 20% of the country near the Kuwaiti border and had lost hundreds of thousands of men and most their modern equipment and saddam’s fully westernized army was about to launch a counterattack, would you also say “I can’t see how Iraq can win?” + +Like how can you not? +--- 57910917 +>>57910799 +>I'm not seeing it. You keep making these claims, but it seems like Russia isn't going anywhere. +OK let's try this. Before this invasion and war, Russia has about 280,000 in its ground forces. Do you understand? It sent 190,000 of them including all the best equipment and all the professional soldiers on contract into Ukraine. Do you understand? However Russia only made marginal gains and all of them are dead, wounded and all their equipment is gone. Due to this Russia has had to mobilise 439,000 reservists (possibly more). Many of them are now also dead as are most of the criminals and desperate who joined wagner. This is not a matter of any doubt. Russia is down to deploying MBTs that are 70 years old. Do you understand? 40+ nations are supporting Ukraine militarily (there are only 31 nations in NATO) do you understand? The economy of Russia is smaller than that of Italy. Ukraine has the economic and diplomatic support of the USA, EU and G7. Do you understand? Russia has lost most of its gas and oil sales to Europe and is now the most sanctioned nation in history. It cannot even buy car parts, electric motors, modern electronics. Do you understand? I mean what level of complete delusion do you have to be operating on to not realise that Russia has lost this war. There is no suffering it out or slogging it out or persevering it out. Russia has lost. Russia right now should be withdrawing everything it can while it can. If it does not Russia may well end with war with near 100% losses of all men and equipment in theatre (including Crimea) +--- 57910932 +>>57910836 +What are you going to do the day that Ukraine occupies Crimea? I'm genuinely curious. +--- 57910960 +Easy +--- 57911003 +>>57900928 (OP) +Mariupol and then cut around it to berdiansk +--- 57911020 +>>57910917 +>It sent 190,000 of them including all the best equipment and all the professional soldiers on contract into Ukraine. +They sent convicts that they were half hoping would get killed any way, and still took over a fourth of the country. +--- 57911040 +>>57910884 +Ukraine is not like the Taliban. You're waffling between comparing them to an insurgency then saying their a modern, western force. How do you see Ukraine winning? With what numbers? The Russians to be pushed back will need to be killed at an amazing rate. + +>>57910917 +I don't see how Russia is like North Korea if China and India still trade. I also hear that they're selling gas to Europe still through Turkey and other middle men in ports in the Med. I don't think that the EU thinks Ukraine will win. +--- 57911085 +>>57901664 +don't memoryhole Izyum Ivan, self-facing vranyo like this is why your army sucks +--- 57911102 +>>57911020 +So...you think the invasion force of 190,000 that was supposed to be mostly contract (professional) Russian ground forces were convicts? OK then. They are all dead or maimed. Gone forever with their equipment. Their deaths laughed at in 1000s of webms as they were roasted, drowned, shot and blasted. As were their reinforcements the wagner recruits and the 300K mobik meat wave. Rusis has lost this war. I very much hope you are real and not just b8ing because the idea that someone as deluded as you exists in the turd world or in Russia who actually does not understand that Russia has already utterly lost this war delights me. War does not survive on lies or denying reality, War is real and every single day you have to watch as everything you believe and Rusisans have been told turns out to have been a complete lie. +--- 57911111 +>>57910754 +Actually it's over to Russia + +Source: un.org +--- 57911128 +>>57901038 +Nah they won't be crossing river. They attack from other side of the river while attacking with artillery and rockets over the river. +Russia can't cross the river either which means artillery is safe but russians near the coast are dead meat +--- 57911164 +>>57911040 +>>57911040 +>I don't think that the EU thinks Ukraine will win. +What you think is utterly fucking worthless then. really everything you think is am complete waste of space. You are complete divorced from reality. There is no future tense. Russia has lost this war now. All we are watching is no large and catastrophic the scale of Russia's defeat is. Shaping up to be one for the history books. (You) and everything you 'think' are fucking pointless. I don;t even give a shit about convincing you. I'm genuinely thrilled that someone as stupid as you exists. +--- 57911190 +>>57911164 +I don't see Russia winning, I just don't see them losing, either. I think that it's a stalemate unless more troops from the west want to take part. I think that Russia might be able to bleed Ukraine white. Sad fate; sad war. +--- 57911501 +>>57900928 (OP) +>fortify heavily on west bank of main river +>invade Moldova, annex +>sell Moldova province + adjascent coastline to Romania +>sell westmost bit to Hungary +>use moneys to launch invasion with no declaration of [spoiler] Hawaii [/spoiler] +>NATO can't do shit because it's below the tropic of cancer +>Use it as a base to invade and conquer Australia and New Zealand, with other british island territories (unprotected since UK left EU) +>Give Aussies their guns back +>Give NZ guns too +>Draft them +>Declare war on PRC +>illegally invade Taiwan and use it as a military base to launch missiles +>cede Taiwan to China +>invade istanbul +>cede NZ and Australia to USA +>cede Istanbul to Putin in exchange for crimea and all territories lost +>keep Hawaii + +Of course, Zelenski is far too incompetent to do this, so it will never happen, but, I wish.. +--- 57911526 +>>57911190 +>I don't see Russia winning, I just don't see them losing, either. I think that it's a stalemate unless more troops from the west want to take part. I think that Russia might be able to bleed Ukraine white. Sad fate; sad war. +>>57911501 +>Of course, Zelenski is far too incompetent +--- 57911626 +>>57901038 +I still refuse to believe the ukraines haven't gotten HIMARS missiles capable of taking down the Ukraine bridge. +--- 57911663 +>>57900928 (OP) +>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here? +First, get the Americans to silence the 5th columnists that are gleefully doing the Kermlin's work to break the resolves of their allies by spreading their propaganda on Putin's behalf + +They just caught doing it again. +https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-duped-by-fake-military-documents-on-ukraine-war-shared-by-russian-propagandist/ +--- 57911670 +>>57911663 +Too lazy to wait for post to get deleted to do a minor grammar collection + +>They were just caught doing it again. + https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-duped-by-fake-military-documents-on-ukraine-war-shared-by-russian-propagandist/ +--- 57911705 +>>57911663 +What's going to stop them? Are we supposed to hurt them or something? Should we also "silence" the Ukraine supporters in the media/government who thought Sam Hyde was the Ghost of Kyiv? News anchors report on fake shit because it's their job. +--- 57911862 +>>57911705 +There's a major difference between reporting fake shit because you're lazy and retarded, and being an active Russian asset. +--- 57911944 +>>57911862 +Am I supposed to be able to read this? +--- 57912086 +>>57910344 +>A defensive war means you can't attack back +Said no one ever. Nobody gave 2 shits about going into Germany in WWII. + +>>57910312 +>>57904430 +>>57905697 +>>57910604 +>>57910762 +Valuyki is a more obvious target than Belgorod. More vulnerable, opens up paths back south, smaller civilian population in the area, and there's still a major Russian troop presence. You're just saying Belgorod because it's a name on a map but it hasn't been a good target since Russia got pushed back at Izium. +--- 57912143 +>>57909650 +>>57911085 +Neither of those were maneuver warfare. They were plain old frontal assaults against defensive lines that were under-prepared +--- 57912226 +1-10 how likely is it that Ukraine expels Russia entirely from their claimed territory? I say 3 +--- 57912248 +>>57912226 +No way they're getting Crimea back. +--- 57912286 +>>57912248 +It's not as unlikely as you think of Russia begins to truly fall apart. +--- 57912290 +>>57912226 +I'm gonna sayyyy..........2. 3 still seems a bit generous. + +>>57912248 +This. It would have to be such a grass roots revolt type thing. +--- 57912291 +>>57911705 +No, it is not the job of news anchors to shill for Russia. That's just Tucker's job. +--- 57912299 +>>57910729 +>original goal is to take 100% of the country in 3 days +>spend over a year taking 20% instead +--- 57912324 +>>57912291 +Do you think Ukraine will win? What do you see as a victory for them? +--- 57912341 +>>57912248 +>No way they're getting Crimea back. +No way they're not. Crimea's problem is resupply. Ukraine will be able to render the bridge and ports unusuable with just a partial incursion once they get that far and Russia trying to saturate the neck of the penninsula with men and material's just gonna turn it into a kill box since by that point Ukraine will outrange them. +--- 57912360 +>>57912324 +>Do you think Ukraine will win? +Why wouldn't they? Russia's running out of materiel significantly faster than Ukraine. They'll literally be functionally out of tanks within a few months. +--- 57912386 +>>57912360 +Ukraine might run out of soldiers. How will they assault, let alone garrison, places they want to retake? +--- 57912409 +>>57912386 +>let alone garrison + +goddamn you lot are thick as fuck +--- 57912411 +>>57900928 (OP) +Getting the Russian logisitics hubs around Luhansk into Himars range is the quickest way to end this war. +--- 57912417 +>>57912341 +Yeah right, come see me at the end. +--- 57912453 +>>57912409 +Wishful thinking doesn't answer the conundrum. +--- 57912466 +>>57912143 +Is that what your propaganda told you? +--- 57912649 +>>57912386 +Both sides will run out of equipment way before they run out of soldiers. In order to run out of soldiers they'd need to have several times more materiel. From a military standpoint, manpower reserves are basically infinite, and trained people only matter in the sense than training them takes time. + +If the current trends don't reverse, at some point the Russians would be stuck fighting Ukrainian brigades armed with western weapons and riding western AFVs with nothing but rifles and RPGs, but it's pretty much guaranteed that their morale will collapse way before that. +--- 57912682 +>>57912649 +When do you think the war will be over? I am hoping this year. +--- 57912703 +>>57912682 +This or next year. It really depends on how fucked the Russians really are when it comes to logistics and AFV reserves. +--- 57912750 +>>57901218 +incredibly there are TBMs that could do the job out there, a few were developed for just this sort of work under the Themes River in London if memory serves. Those TBMs drove a 10m wide working around 100m a day. +--- 57912777 +>>57908626 +yes, actually this makes sense. What COULD russia actually do to stop the Ukrainians thunder running through their territory and shelling Moscow? +--- 57912844 +>>57911705 +>What's going to stop them? Are we supposed to hurt them or something? +imprisonment used to be a common sentence for traitors. +--- 57912968 +>>57912386 +>Ukraine might run out of soldiers. +Russia's losing men faster, Ukraine's morale is through the roof on account of the whole "they're being attacked" thing, and neither side is losing soldiers at a rate fast enough to overtake their materiel losses in the first place. + +>>57912417 +You strike me as someone that thought Russia would hold Kherson. +--- 57912976 +>>57912417 +does this look familiar to you yet pidor? +--- 57913133 +>>57912248 +>Putin pulls an Adolf and an heros +>his final order was launch the nukes +>no one followed it. +>cease fires ordered all round +>what’s left of the corrupt Russian government trades back parts of captured territory and disarms military in order to get sanctions lifted, or to free up their assets so they can sell out and bail on russia + +Pretty sure russia will loose it’s taste for all this as soon as Putin goes. +And will be tripping over each other to say “actually it was all Vlad’s doing, and they never wanted to, and they were just following orders” +--- 57913287 +>>57913133 +if putin dies I could see the west letting a lot of the russian MOD go to allow for peace, though some of the higher ups would get thrown under the bus for war crimes (Bucha for example). +--- 57913296 +>>57913133 +You might want to have a plan B if the flawless strategy of "hope pootin slips on a banana peel and breaks his neck" fails. +--- 57913318 +>>57912143 +>Maneuver warfare, the use of initiative, originality and the unexpected, combined with a ruthless determination to succeed,[1] seeks to avoid opponents' strengths while exploiting their weaknesses and attacking their critical vulnerabilities and is the conceptual opposite of attrition warfare. Rather than seeking victory by applying superior force and mass to achieve physical destruction, maneuver uses preemption, deception, dislocation, and disruption to destroy the enemy's will and ability to fight.[2] + +>Historically, maneuver warfare was stressed by small militaries, more cohesive, better trained, or more technologically advanced than attrition warfare counterparts. The term "tactical maneuver" is used by maneuver warfare theorists to refer to movement by forces to gain "advantageous position relative to the enemy," as opposed to its use in the phrase "maneuver warfare."[3] + +>The idea of using rapid movement to keep an enemy off balance is as old as war itself.[4] However, advanced technology, such as the development of cavalry and mechanized vehicles, has led to an increased interest in the concepts of maneuver warfare and in its role on modern battlefields. + +Pretty sure using a whole disinformation campaign and tricking the Russians into moving most of the forces to the south and then capturing hundreds of miles a day chasing the collapsing defensive lines in the north counts as maneuver warfare +--- 57913597 +>>57900928 (OP) +Bait and retaliate +--- 57914230 +>>57913318 +It wasn't. Those defensive lines that collapsed were depleted for the siege of Sievierodonetsk and never restored afterward and had fuck all to do with any "disinformation" campaign from Ukraine, which wasn't fucking disinformation cause they literally did capture the south right after the northern campaign. Russia's just spread too thin to do jack shit against concentrated Ukrainian counteroffenses even when they know where they're coming. + +I'd love for Ukraine to be playing 5D chess with Russia, but the fact is they're just playing regular chess and Russia set up their side of the board with some checkers and a Monopoly boot. +--- 57914246 +>>57900928 (OP) +>What exactly is Ukraine's best course of action here? +give up lol +imagine dying for a losing war +--- 57914266 +>>57900928 (OP) +>khokhols stand no chance against russian incompetence +>whole world is gawking at two shitholes having a drunken bar fight over a patch of grass +let them nuke eachother so the rest of the world can move on. would be nice to live in a place without russia's bullshit but im so fed up with hearing about ukraine it shouldnt exist at this point either. fuck em both, but especially ukraine just in case i haven't pissed off enough trannies and dykes. +--- 57914291 +I'm not any degree of war expert but last April I was legitimately expecting Russia to destroy Ukraine in a month. And then once it started being dragged on, I worried about nukes. But they've been stuck in a conventional war for over a year. + +Is modern war a meme? I may be retarded but I think of laser guided missiles and shit that will obliterate your enemy from 100km away, instead we get basically mid 20th century tactics of artillery supporting foot infantry on the ground. Plus some tiny drones dropping grenades, ooo +--- 57914304 +>>57914246 +>t. +--- 57914378 +>>57906771 +>WW1 pace offensive +--- 57914412 +>>57914304 +lel get b8'd, nerd +i just won 4chan, take that pwnage faggot +your replying to me has just validated my entire existed +feels pretty fucking stupid, doesnt it? +yeah, you take that L, you take it hard +>t. the oldest faggot +also check out the gun in this image, can anyone tell me what it is? +--- 57914534 +>>57904418 +Risk of Russia chimping out and throwing a nuke at Kyiv. + +But in general yeah whatever kills rulogistics. +--- 57914732 +>>57911626 +>put himars on boat +>drive boat to within range of bridge +>fire himars at bridge +>drive boat home after +--- 57914748 +>>57905987 +>They’ll slowly starve to death +crimea is a food exporter. They may not get much food variety but starving wouldn't happen. +--- 57914781 +>>57903577 +>Remember those things from last year that looked like concrete septic tanks with view ports? +>implying that prefab bunkers in Russia aren't just concrete septic tanks with view ports +--- 57914846 +>>57914230 +You’re absolutely talking out of your ass you dumb bitch lmao. They spent over a month doing a whole operation fortitude meme both in the media and in their ground operations winding up for a massive Kherson offensive and forcing Russia to withdraw units from the east and pull them south and take the units that were still recovering from the Kyiv retreat and rush them on a train also to the south. + +It was one of the most “5d chess” strategies conducted by an underdog against an invading army that actually worked in like idk 60 years. Russia got 100% bamboozled on that, it’s going to be studied for centuries, and it was absolutely “5d chess” hybrid warfare and maneuver warfare executed at near-American levels of efficiency. +--- 57914949 +>>57914748 +Bro it's a fucking rock/desert surrounded by salt water + +t. Crimea visiteder +--- 57915103 +>>57914949 +they harvest 2 million tons of grain a year. +--- 57915186 +>>57910385 +To be fair, both Russia and Ukraine curtailed Crimean authority when they controlled it +Letting them do their own thing is the best way forward desu +--- 57915192 +>>57915186 +Gay cunt autocorrect, meant autonomy not authority (obviously tech oligarchs don’t like that word) +--- 57915214 +>>57914846 +>forcing Russia to withdraw units from the east and pull them south and take the units that were still recovering from the Kyiv retreat and rush them on a train also to the south. +Right. But the pulled troops didn't fucking come from the area Ukaine attacked because Russia already did a fucking drawdown there for the fucking Siervierodonetsk offensive and you can't get blood from a stone. This isn't fucking difficult. Russia only has so much fucking manpower and they were desperately shuffling it about the map playing catchup to wherever they were attacking or to respond to wherever Ukraine attacked last until we settled into this phase of the war where both sides have been content to just meat grinder shit while Ukraine builds up forces for their next offensive. + +Ukraine didn't bait Russia, they just attacked where Russia HAD ALREADY LEFT A FUCKING OPENING. People were literally talking about Russian troop levels being too fucking low in Kharkiv because Russia abandoned their plans to build up in Lyman and instead started pulling troops out of the region leaving it exposed and Ukraine preparing to do exactly what they did months before they fucking did it. + +Ukraine didn't bait Russia. They walked through an open door. Maybe you can argue all the talk about the southern offensive was to keep them from ever directing a reinforcement up north, but the shitshow Kherson was in would have prevented that anyway. Ukraine didn't need to tell Russia Kherson was fucked. Both sides knew it. Which is why it was fucking attacked after Kharkiv. They were sitting ducks cause of the bridges. +--- 57915288 +>>57900928 (OP) +Take crimea en passent. +--- 57915324 +>>57910161 +Offer the chinese northern manchuria back in return for support. diff --git a/k/57901259.txt b/k/57901259.txt index 88b1948c202822c29c15383235f6e6abea11ed2e..aba6a6f9e0399870512c34f1439b8243e694acac 100644 --- a/k/57901259.txt +++ b/k/57901259.txt @@ -34,3 +34,74 @@ a big black dildo is all you need oh noes I wanted to streamline now what do I do +--- 57903845 +>>57901259 (OP) +Ask your boyfriend to carry some of it in his purse. +--- 57903850 +>>57901305 +Women +--- 57903996 +I'm trans btw +--- 57904047 +>>57901259 (OP) +I have a similar number of keys because i have several houses and for the work. I keep them in 4 packs so i don't have to carry them all everyday. I just pick the pack i'm going to use. +--- 57906484 +guys how do i streamline my every day carry? +--- 57906508 +>>57906484 +>EDCs a stapler +based +--- 57906557 +>>57901259 (OP) +needs more candles +--- 57906565 +>>57901259 (OP) +What are those pens in the center? +--- 57906570 +>>57906484 +you only need one (1) altoids tin +now it's perfect +--- 57906574 +>>57901259 (OP) +If it's been longer than a week since you've used it, you don't need it. +--- 57906591 +>>57901259 (OP) +of course it's an HK hipster +--- 57908383 +>>57901259 (OP) +Add some more keys. Keep the whole mess in your pocket. Still got room? More keys +--- 57909598 +>>57901259 (OP) +Nah looks good to me honestly +--- 57909813 +>>57901259 (OP) +Is that like, a dictionary/spell checker in the top right? +--- 57909823 +>>57901259 (OP) +Bump keys? +Without a bump hammer? +> NGMI +--- 57909834 +>>57901383 +fpbp +--- 57911535 +>>57906574 +>leaves behind gun +--- 57911544 +>>57911535 +>Not going to the range at least once a week. +--- 57911553 +>>57911544 +Fuck, I'm exposed +--- 57912413 +>>57903996 +Do you drink Bud Lite? +--- 57912727 +>>57901259 (OP) +>10000 bump keys and jigglers or one (1) pickgun +--- 57913136 +>>57906484 +Ask yourself if you really need all that shit. I would definitely start by losing the bear trap, the books, and the PS3 game. +--- 57913195 +>>57913136 +t. idiot diff --git a/k/57901476.txt b/k/57901476.txt index 50e7ea8a630212bba89969a7b0ad9534ced22506..1cbfaa332a41e933c102dedd3e5fa97310399437 100644 --- a/k/57901476.txt +++ b/k/57901476.txt @@ -631,3 +631,356 @@ Anon are you actually expecting a conversation here, look at this thread. Anon Russia was a superpower and tried this, it nearly destroyed them and they didn’t even succeed --- 57903639 Build, fund and support your own local insurgency. Don't be an asymmetric cuck, fight the enemy in his own terms. It worked for Russlims in the 2nd Chechen war and for murricans in 2001 with the Northern Alliance +--- 57903857 +>>57901491 +This. Vatnik copes real hard when u remind them that America actually won in Afghanistan and left on our own accord vs vatniggers getting ousted militarily. They don’t have big enough cope for it. +--- 57903862 +>>57903857 +They rely on quantity of cop vs quality, which is fitting +--- 57903897 +>>57901476 (OP) +Like this: +https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/09/how-to-occupy-and-govern-foreign/ + +A modern liberal democracy which religiously adheres to absurd conceptions such as 'universal human rights' and who have no taste for the hardline tactics needed to overcome an insurgency (or ideally stamp it out before it has a chance to gain momentum) probably couldn't ever. +--- 57903940 +>>57903897 +>someone unrionically posting moldbug on twenty fucking twenty three +Holy shit anon, this is a special type of retarded and I thank you for it. Really takes me back to the dark enlightenment and the OG redpillers and bronies + +As to your actual point +>this faggot doesn’t even know about the Soviet Afghan war or the first or second Chechen wars +--- 57903959 +>>57903639 +>Build, fund and support your own local insurgency +>So they can blow up your financial hub in about 20 years +Can you focus on Ukraine CIA +--- 57903990 +>>57903857 +Lol. Lmao. +https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan +--- 57904002 +Al Qaeda was effectively neutralized and the government of Iraq was removed. + +Iraq could be considered a political success from a zionist perspective, while Afghanistan would be considered a failed counter-insurgency like Vietnam. + +The winning move would have been to not invade Afghanistan for Israel in the first place, but such is the nature of our zionist occupied government and politicians in regards to foreign policy. The military simply obeys the political will of the state, but the state was lacking public support and therefore the political will to see its goals through in the Middle East. + +This is why the counter-insurgency failed. Not just lack of political support for the government from the locals, but lack of political support from the American people for what was ultimately a zionist war. Our military deserves better than to be used as a tool of Israel at the cost of American lives. + +In many ways, the Middle East insurgencies never really ended. The insurgent Patriot militias of the USA were formed by ME veterans, a seed planted as a consequence of injustice, and a revolutionary reckoning for the lies and betrayals of our military. + +A proper revolution, here in the USA. As it once was, a struggle born from an appeal to Heaven, waged in the righteous spirit of holy justice, in defense of the oppressed under tyranny. +--- 57904007 +>>57903990 +Military victory anon, the only part that matters +--- 57904012 +>>57903990 +America didn't lose, the old Afghanistani regime did +--- 57904023 +>>57901639 +Because a couple of million people died because of these fuck heads. Consider ISIS for instance, which is vastly considered a source of pure evil that most people would accept if the international community agreed to kill all of them and their children. +Now adjust that feeling by a factor 100. Now we're getting close to the order of magnitude of damage and casualties those fuckers directly and indirectly caused. + +Just because they were white and knew how to dress doesn't mean you should treat them with anything but indiscriminate, white hot hatred. +--- 57904025 +>>57904002 +I love scizo posts like this, you gotta genuinely wonder if they wrote it all or if it’s low effort pasta +--- 57904054 +>>57904025 +Might actually be a bot +--- 57904074 +>>57904041 +Anon you can make as much up as you want, reality doesn’t change just cuz, it was shit we literally didn’t want to ship back, dumb? Yes, but good luck maintaining it in caves and mud huts. It’s like Africans with modern equipment but slightly less brown +--- 57904083 +>>57904054 +Honestly it’s getting very hard to tell anymore +--- 57904153 +>>57902793 +>wasting tax dollars +redundant verb +--- 57904168 +>>57904154 +Anon how did they remove us from the country, can you answer that? What was the defining battle? +--- 57904174 +>>57904154 +>artillery +>NGV +Easily the most important things they got +--- 57904178 +The only real for sure solution in an insurgency is the final one. +--- 57904179 +>>57904174 +How will they repair it? +--- 57904203 +>>57904168 +We all saw what happened at Kabul airport, loser. +--- 57904205 +>>57904203 +Lol +--- 57904217 +>>57904179 +With parts from alibaba duh +--- 57904219 +>>57904178 +Seriously, the Jews being in every country and manipulating various markets and even political parties can be seen as an insurgency of sorts. +They controlled banks, shops, and manipulated political parties by supporting the rise of Bolshevism that lead to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, started WWI, and the party rose to more power in various nations in the post war economic collapse, which in part made Hitler so popular in Germany. + +And how do you wage war on a people that have no border, essentially no nation to call their home, and the only thing connecting them is a common race or religion? +--- 57904222 +>>57904002 +Based schizoposting, 7/10 appeal to heaven was a bit over the top. +--- 57904230 +>>57901476 (OP) +Scorched Earth and genocide is really the best way to win against an insurgency. + +The USA successfully won against the Native-American insurgents through genocide. + +The USA successfully won against the Filipino insurgents through genocide. + +China successfully won against the Uyghur insurgents through genocide. +--- 57904231 +>>57904179 +They probably won’t operate them enough to worry that much about it. Otherwise - buy shit from the house of saud like the good boys they are. +--- 57904245 +>>57904219 +You don’t, your entire ideology is at its base a failure and for losers who just want to feel better by having an invincible enemy to blame but not do anything about +--- 57904261 +>>57901476 (OP) +Pretty simple, you either go post-war Germany/Japan or you go full genocide/slavery/concentration camps. Going inbetween is what breeds insurgency, where you are hard sometimes and lenient others. + +In Germany/Japan they only changed out the very top and the obvious bad guys like SS but kept most army/staff people in their jobs for continued stability or kept them in POW camps. Many west and east german officials were former Nazis, so you had to turn a blind eye to it. Also huge amounts of investments into industry like the Marshall plan. It also helped that there was a "new" enemy in the form of the Cold War. In Iraq this would have worked but I doubt it would in Afghanistan due to the lack of a central government before. +--- 57904296 +>>57904025 +>>57904222 + +I'm speaking in complete sincerity from a place of lucidity and sobriety. + +>>57904230 + +>Scorched Earth and genocide is really the best way to win against an insurgency. + +Advocating environment destruction and genocide is seen as "common sense" to these people. The same people who carried out the genocide of the Indigenous people. The same people who are worried about insurrection on American soil. + +Advocating insurrection is seen as "schizo", despite the USA being founded on a successful insurrection. The Indigenous people are still here, the Uyghurs are still engaged in holy struggle. The federal government of the USA is not stable, that is a political reality, but we have been here for thousands of years and will continue to be here long after. It's not outrageous to suggest that we will outlive and outpiss the federal government. + +You guys think it sounds extreme to have an insurrection, let alone a just and righteous insurrection, yet that is exactly how the US military and the USA was created. Perhaps fighting Israel's wars for them is audacious and ridiculous while the US military serving American national interest is plain common sense. If the government thought insurrection in the USA sounded ridiculous, they would not be preparing for one. I really only care for the judgment of God, and I speak the honest truth from the depth of my heart. +--- 57904324 +>>57904245 +If the events of WWII has taught anybody, it's that they're not invincible. + +They are however hard to get rid of because they're all over the world. +It's what the Nazis tried to do nation by nation, but there was too many against them. + +Read the Berlin Diary by William L. Shirer, in it he accounts for the rise of Bolshevism in Germany as well as Britain and I believe France as well. + +This rise in Germany lead to the Freikorps to strike it down, and later as it rose again in the 30s, gave more support for Hitler once the burning of the Reichstag was blamed on the Bolsheviks. +--- 57904331 +>>57904324 +>>57904296 +--- 57904334 +>>57904245 + +As far as 'my ideology', I read into history, and their pursuit of power gave reason to Hitler. +--- 57904346 +>>57901476 (OP) +I mean we defeated the insurgency in Iraq. The problem is how long do you want to be there? Unless you kill and/or incarcerate everyone who is against your side, they just have to wait you out. That's what happened in Iraq years after we left and Afghanistan as we were leaving. Vietnam is different, there was no insurgency. The Vietcong were from the North. They were originally from S.Vietnam but commies who when the country split settled in the North. When the civil war heated up they went back to the south to act as insurgents but it was 100% just an offshoot of the NVA. +--- 57904387 +>>57901476 (OP) +The Germans figured this out in ww2, send in soldiers to a captured town or village, randomly gather up a few dozen or hundred of them, and ship them off to an internment camp. Anyone that tries to form an insurgency knows that they're putting the lives of their relatives, friends, and neighbour's at risk of execution back at the camps. +--- 57904391 +>>57904346 +You have to incentivize the general population to support your side and not want anything to do with the other. +In Vietnam our politicians fucked that up by supporting a guy that gradually lost the support of his own people which gave rise to the Viet Cong. + +The South Vietnamese people loved the idea of the US supporting them, and loved the idea of how the US came to be by fighting for their own independence. +For centuries they'd been occupied and made a colony by various nations and were sick of it, and in the post WWII years the country split into North and South Vietnam. +--- 57904404 +>>57901476 (OP) +kill all males over 10 years old. +--- 57904448 +>>57901476 (OP) +Insurgency is a Zen-like art. The fewer soldiers you have in-country, the better your prospects. The fewer forces you commit to battle, the better. The more you fight, the more you lose. The more battles you win, the more victory becomes elusive. +Explanation: such conflict is all about legitimacy. When you fight an win for your ally, you legitimize the enemy more and more, while masking and ultimately metastatisizing your ally’s systemic weaknesses (e.g. corruption, lack of unity). +The solution is to be small, surgical, invisible. Special forces raids, very limited drone strikes. Diplomacy above all else, especially to eliminate sanctuaries over the border. Diplomacy in particular cannot be understated. + +Compare: Vietnam, Iraq, and/or Afghanistan to the Malaysian Emergency +--- 57904466 +>>57901565 +>OBL +okay anon. you’re clearly a phd with top .001% iq and intelligence. as well known as OBL supposedly is it’s not going to kill you to spell out the name. enlighten the retarded masses phd anon. What the fuck does OBL mean. +--- 57904467 +>>57902263 +What a retarded post with an even more retarded screencap +Never pretend to be insightful again flunky +--- 57904931 +>>57901568 +This was doomed to fail due to the nature of Afghanistan +>the only city with modern infrastructure is Kabul +>Kabul is typically where all pro-democratic peoples are and bear all the corruption and faults of a young democracy +>Anywhere outside of Kabul is using dirt roads, poor healthcare, poorer education, lack of a national identity +>all they care is who is shooting at them and whoever promises to fix their needs, whether it be the Kabul government or the Taliban who promised it will fix everything after discussing it with some Chai Tea +>While not having a national identity their faith is always strong +--- 57904955 +>>57904466 +>What the fuck does OBL mean. +Oba Laba Baba +--- 57905633 +>>57901476 (OP) +you tie the tubes of every woman, castrate every man you capture +then fight the insurgency as normal for 20 years +now it has no replenishment and withers away +--- 57906004 +>>57904448 +Example/s of this theory in action? +--- 57906050 +>>57901476 (OP) +oh, that's my old CO. i think that's from our deployment. i recognize the guy behind him too. +--- 57906072 +>>57901476 (OP) +Either kill everyone who associates with insurgents or convince the insurgents to stop fighting. +--- 57906182 +>>57904448 +Fuck, should be +>[counter]insurgency is a Zen-like art*** + +>>57904448 +>example/s of this theory in action? +As mentioned: Malay Emergency +FARC +The Troubles +Aussie area of operations in Vietnam War + +All of them did better with smaller forces. With the latter two, the war ended with political compromise, not military victories. Military solutions did NOT help, because they are the wrong tool for the job. Militaries are made to destroy other militaries, not deal with deep-seated political problems and governance, and at its core TRUST in the future the COIN is pushing. Diplomacy, to reiterate, is king here. + +Any forces you have MUST be as minimal as possible. Small special forces raids based on intelligence. Soft power over hard power. Economic progress over military. In the Malay Emergency, the Brits were so successful that insurgents starved and killed each other over food. +--- 57906196 +>>57906182 +Fuck, meant to post >>57906004 +Im fucking plenty up today +--- 57906210 +>>57906182 +FUCK should be with the middle two*** +Since I added Aussies as an afterthought +Ill answer questions but no more spontaneous posts from me today. Insomnia has made me 0 for 3 in non-shitposting correctness today :( +--- 57906236 +>>57901499 +>typically causes enough international problems in terms of bitching and sanctions + like it does to the chingchongs and uyghurs? +--- 57906250 +>>57903857 +This. Completed our military goals in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it just turns out the durka durkas used "democracy" to have an Islamic govt instead, who would've thought! +--- 57906264 +>>57901604 +>The reason we lost Vietnam is we backed the wrong horse. +it was a identical horse to the s.korean (very nepotistic military dictatorship) and it turned out very well for korea. Who is to say s.vietnam was not a late bloomer like korea was +--- 57906334 +>>57906250 +We only complete our military objectives if we win after initial win condition and don’t add any new ones. + +We did not find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we were all lied to, and moving the goalposts does not matter. Afghanistan is a mixed bag (OBL/al-Qaeda gone, but Taliban in power at the end) but we lost. + +We won militarily, this is true, but fuck Bush. We should never have invaded Iraq, and should have left Afghanistan after OBL was killed. Simple as. +Why are you guys defending an administration that put everything in the hands of pic related >>57902517? We were fucked from the start. +Cheer up though, better to lose a tiny + war early on and win a major war later. Face the truth, learn from these mistakes, and make sure they do not happen again. +--- 57906602 +>>57903990 +That is just Wikipedia saying that the taliban won. There could be Russian influence on Wikipedia. Glavset was very embarrassed seeing the tsliban giving American troops safe passege to leave. This means the taliban was scared of America because we won. Cope on it vatnigger. +--- 57906610 +>>57906334 +> We only complete our military objectives if we win after initial win condition and don’t add any new ones +How did that work out for you in Kherson? Point and laugh at the vatnik everybody. +--- 57906772 +>>57901491 +Adding my (You) to the vatnigger bot dogpile +--- 57906815 +>>57901672 +So because Germany has been closer than we are to Russia in the last few decades, if they finally asked us to leave you would consider WW2 a failure? Your just moving objectives/goalposts. The U.S. shouldn't be anywhere permanently unless our goal was to annex the territory. +--- 57906917 +>>57904391 +>supporting a guy that gradually lost the support of his own people which gave rise to the Viet Cong. +He was a POS but that wasn't where the viet cong originated they were sent from NV as volunteers so that the NVA could act like they dindunuffin and pretend it was the will of the people. +>According to Trần Văn Trà, the Viet Cong's top commander, and the post-war Vietnamese government's official history, the Viet Cong followed orders from Hanoi and were part of the People's Army of Vietnam, or North Vietnamese army. +During the Massacre at Huế the Vietcong (which were completely decimated after the tet offensive) and NVA committed the worst massacre of civilians in the war. Yet they still won. +--- 57906940 +Rebuild the economy, dont just dump free shit on them that puts a lot of people out of work who will now work with the insurgency. McDonalds on demand and air con really goes a long way to dissuade angry young men in the US for example. +--- 57907322 +>>57901632 +>meanwhile in vietnam students cosplaying and playing Bocchi the Rock in school festival and wishing to go to college at US. + +No one believes in communism anymore outside innefectual west redditors, not even Best Korea believes in communism after promulgating Juche while the population pirate RoK shows and music, Cuba was forced to allow free market years ago and they are now a countrysized touristic resort, lets nlt even begin with China, even if you somehow manage to beat USA in a war the end result is always the same, western culture sips in, your population gets tired of Das Kapital diatribes and start demanding all the globohomo goodies. + +Same with Mideast, give the afghans 10 or 20 years and even their cattle herders will demand Netflix, sheepgirls and Coca-Cola. +--- 57907374 +>>57901476 (OP) +You can't unless you kill all the insurgents and every one that believes what the insurgents believe including their families. +Basically it's impossible! +Especially when people don't plan shit and go lone wolf, dropping redpills to people that may act, so they go and act. +Untraceable and hit from anywhere. +Coming to the west soon. +--- 57909918 +>>57906815 +The Iraq war was over a period of 10 years and not over 60 years and to call Germany Russia aligned is brain dead claim. +--- 57911689 +>>57907322 +...and it took 56,000 lives and every ounce of effort just for that? If western ideals speak for themselves, no need to bring war. It's ironic that democracy is spread through undemocratic means +--- 57911809 +>>57901647 +>better the devil you know than the angel you don't +The flaw with this strategy is that foreign aid will always be foreign. There will always be strings attached no matter how good of a life an outsider government may bring and the population will be aware of this +--- 57911866 +>>57902153 +>punishment approach +>A decline in civilian morale, it is hoped, then produces internal turmoil, which causes grassroots opposition against insurgents +When Germany dropped V2s on Britain did that make British citizens turn against their own army? Or harden their hate against the very attackers? +--- 57911891 +>>57901476 (OP) +You kill everybody. No prisoners and you exterminate every town/village where there is insurgency activity. You genocide all civilian if necessary. +--- 57912394 +>>57902235 +no one wants filthy foreigners running there government. +--- 57912476 +>>57904346 +so other than losing, we defeated the insurgency? You should apply for a job at the state department. +--- 57912580 +>>57901476 (OP) +By terrorising civilian population to the +point of extermination, eliminating all potential elites first. +Than you hire the most vile scum as new local elite and have them wipe the remaining resistance through torture and terror. + +>>57901499 +Yes it has. Been done numerous times. +West is just to soft now. +--- 57914221 +>>57901476 (OP) +--- 57914231 +>>57912580 +Research the Soviet Afghan war. +--- 57914237 +>>57901476 (OP) +nukes. +--- 57914240 +>>57901476 (OP) +>As a western country, how are you supposed to win against an insurgency in a country like Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan? +ignore the insurgency entirely, build roads and factories, raise the quality of life of the general population so high that the insurgents will look like complete retards fighting for an asinine cause +--- 57914250 +>>57904387 +except this just caused even more partisans to pop up simply because being in the area of one would get your entire village and every near by village killed, which just made it easier to join since the chances of death were high either way, might as well fuck them over more +--- 57914508 +>>57914240 +That worked out in Afghanistan right? +--- 57914613 +>>57901476 (OP) +Kill the men and boys and raffle the women and girls off to your troops. You may not like it, but that's what peak counterinsurgency looks like. +--- 57914898 +>>57911689 +a small price to pay to bring the joy of coke to the world at large. +--- 57914987 +>>57904931 +>discussing it with some Chai Tea +FYI "chai" means "tea". +Now you know. +--- 57915220 +>>57911866 +You should be asking the chechens or the tibetans that. diff --git a/k/57902017.txt b/k/57902017.txt index 2cf44030b3b6bdd585573f3953090391c9b7ea2d..7af71c431dc41ea92a962a1fa775f221675d96ab 100644 --- a/k/57902017.txt +++ b/k/57902017.txt @@ -76,3 +76,322 @@ WMLs are for: 5. Giving you a pretext to point your gun at people that are not yet enough of a threat to normally do that. Yes, WML are 99% meme if you're not mil/LEO and kicking doors. +--- 57906513 +>>57903239 +they are for seeing in the dark. it's a fucking flashlight +--- 57906963 +>>57902651 +>alkaline +>cr123a +You're the one who doesn't know how batteries work. +--- 57907212 +>>57902541 +>PEQs break all the fucking time + +Tbh like 95% of that is retards overtighten them to fuck and cracking the housing right away, or the next time it hits something while it's on the rifle, already bent to the point of nearly snapping. +People turn into absolute chimpanzees when given an allen/torx key. +--- 57907241 +>>57902651 +>123s +>alkaline +>leaking +Retard. +--- 57907279 +>>57902023 +this, even modlights are trash +--- 57907287 +>>57902214 +sounds like poor +--- 57907301 +>buy expensive shit +>it breaks +>buy cheap shit +>it breaks + +cheap shit always wins. +--- 57907381 +>>57903205 +>Someone had the battery door on their TLR-1 break a couple months back: +oh noooo, one person was careless with their shit, streamlights are cancelled! +--- 57907413 +>>57906963 +>>57907241 +my bad, i swore they made alkaline cr123s. +--- 57907431 +>>57903205 +>to see what you're shooting at after IDing them as a threat with a handheld light (since just waving a gun around to see is a great ticket to felony charges) to justify the extra training +If someone does not have the time to work on activating the WML on the draw, I promise you they don't have time to practice one handed shooting either. +--- 57907435 +>>57907287 +post ur guns with surefires +--- 57907441 +>>57903205 +my battery door broke on my TLR1 as well +--- 57907467 +>>57902115 +hahahahajaja +--- 57907488 +>>57902115 +--- 57907524 +>>57903205 +>>57907441 +How are you guys breaking them? At the hinge? And is it shooting while holding momentary down? +--- 57908085 +>>57902164 +It's because AA batteries are dogshit, Anon. +1.5v, leaky, and not great mAh either. +--- 57908214 +>>57906513 +See: >>57903205, if you're using it out in public when you haven't IDed someone as a threat, then you're going to get criminal charges. If you're using it for home defense, then you're going to be unnecessarily announcing your presence to threats you can't see. +--- 57908242 +>>57907524 +Mine broke randomly, have no clue how it broke but the door/hinge plastic just cracked. I wasn't even using it, it was just sitting in my closet. +--- 57908258 +>>57902164 +No one uses AAs for anything dude, there's a reason Eotech and every other company moved on to 18650s and duel fuel CR123A it provides you the best of both worlds and you can use 123s in a pinch if needed. +--- 57908269 +>>57903205 +I was split on handgun lights until a shooting happened about 100ft from me ~10pm in a spot with no streetlights. I'm in a rural area and It was a domestic dispute. The two suspects ran away, but it was really hard to see them. Luckily, I was carrying an x300 on my g19 because I usually don't. If they ran towards me, I'd probably have shot them. Oh, and I called the cops afterwards, they never showed up. +--- 57908280 +>>57908269 +I live in a very rural area as well and use a x300 turbo, gives me better candela for identifying stuff through woods or forests instead of just the dull flood of the normal x300. +--- 57908286 +>>57908214 +yeah so i should shoot someone i can't see. fuck off +--- 57908311 +>>57908085 +don't use alkaline retard how many times does it need to be said? +>>57908258 +actually everyone uses AAs for everything. that's why they're far & away the most commonly available battery. +--- 57908312 +>>57908286 +What are you imagining this threat doing when it's so dark that you can't even see them? Are they walking around with NODs or something? +--- 57908320 +>>57908214 +To add to the opposing viewpoint of NOT using a pistol mounted light and using a handheld, there have been many clips of people not maintaining good grip control or even using one hand while trying to fiddle around with a handheld light. You run into problems when your brain tries doing multiple things under high stress, the simplest option is to just use a fucking weapon light. +--- 57908331 +>>57908312 +you can't imagine a poorly/unlit area? you know the sun is gone for 12 hours a day, right? +--- 57908335 +>>57908311 +>actually everyone uses AAs for everything. +link me 5 products in the gun/accessory industry that use AA as their main battery source. No older models of Eotech either. +--- 57908337 +Reading through this thread I can see that holosun is now the undisputed king of both red dots and weapon lights. Honestly, we all knew it was bound to happen sooner than later. +--- 57908367 +>>57908214 +>unnecessarily announcing your presence to threats you can't see. +I'm not using the damn thing for morse code. Either there's enough ambient light for me to make a decision or move safely, or I HAVE to create more light. "Unnecessarily" has nothing to do with it. +--- 57908382 +>>57908367 +don't even argue with these retards dude they don't train at night and they obviously are too poor to afford weapon mounted lights and are just coping. +--- 57908456 +>>57908367 +>Either there's enough ambient light for me to make a decision or move safely +If there isn't even enough light for you to see to move safely, then what the fuck is a threat even going to be doing? Besides that: >>57903205 has a point about how you can buy night lights with battery backup that will last for days of power outages for cheap today that will allow you to move and ID threats in your own home without needing to reach for a specific gun with an accessory for the occasion or announcing your presence. +--- 57908478 +>>57908331 +Again, what are you imagining this threat doing when it's so dark that you can't even see them without a light? Are they walking around with NODs or something? +--- 57908481 +>>57908456 +Bro no one is announcing their presence its called light discipline, if your threat is in the woods and you are under a well lit area because of your "backup lights" or w/e you wanna call them then YOU are the one now exposed, plus that's just a bad idea regardless, you should be using NV and seeking to remain under darkness or cover, otherwise you're just gonna be the guy running around under lights being seen by people with NV or thermal. You guys are playing checkers while we are playing 3d chess. +--- 57908483 +>>57908335 +>gun/accessory +fuck off you know exactly what i mean. every gizmo in your house uses AAs. +however: +>pvs 14 +>motorola XTS 5000 battery pack +>streamlight sidewinder +>PEQ 2/A +>surefire m600AA +kindly fuck yourself +--- 57908508 +>>57908483 +I have a 4x POSP scope that uses AA for the reticle illumination +--- 57908510 +>>57908456 +>what the fuck is a threat even going to be doing? +I have no idea. May not even be a real threat. But clearly I have to either go see or retrieve people, because otherwise, why the fuck am I not hunkered down waiting on the popo to show. + +> Just use interior lighting +Absolutely. Keep in mind, every criticism leveled at WMLs for announcing your presence still applies, I hope their motion activated so you don't have to walk into a dark hallway to flip a switch, and I hope you activate all of them simultaneously so that you aren't backlighting yourself if you have to move from a lit room to an unlit one. +--- 57908534 +>>57908382 +>WML detractors using flat-earth tier mental gymnastics to explain how a tool (that can be used at your discretion) is bad +--- 57908536 +>>57907435 +Not him but I can when I get home. I have a ruger mk4 with a surefire warden, x300, a czp10c with an x300, a cz sp01 phantom with an x300, 2 of my aks have surefire g2x’s and my ar has a df600? +But once cry once, they last forever and hold up to my dumb ass hitting them on trees and barricades. +--- 57908571 +>>57908536 +Heres the sp01 being shot by a friend + +>>57908508 +Well thats alright cuz the pso doesn’t really need ilum and it’s a lot easier than getting the out dated Soviet battery that’s some goofy 3 volt shit +--- 57908601 +>>57908483 +Any newer grade PVS14 is gonna use 123s neuro. And yes the context of this discussion is firearms that's why you are on /k/ or I'll report your dumb shit for off topic discussion of household items. Radios aren't weapons that falls under comms. I'll give you the other ones though PEQ 2/A is fucking 20 years old dude. You can't name a single modern gun accessory that uses AAs. +--- 57908659 +>>57908571 +Heres a shitty old pic of the ruger +--- 57908716 +>>57908571 +Same range trip, forgot my saiga9 has an x300 too +--- 57908718 +>>57908601 +cool goalpost. no, PVS 14s are still mostly AA. +>VCOG +>streamlight protac +>RNVG battery pack +>comp M4 +>LED ACOG +>steiner OTAL +suck my balls + +>I'M GONNA TELL THE JANNIES ON YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT RADIOS!!!! +kill yourself +--- 57908732 +>>57908481 +>Bro no one is announcing their presence its called light discipline +>previous post was talking about needing a WML to see enough to even move safely +>can't comprehend that even if just using a WML for threat ID before shooting, there can be another threat out of sight that will see where your flashlight beam is coming from and return fire + +>>57908510 +>I have no idea +So you don't even have an idea of how a scenario that could justify using this accessory over other options could even happen? Just admit it's a cool toy rather than being something practical at that point. + +>I hope their motion activated so you don't have to walk into a dark hallway to flip a switch +I'm pretty sure anon is talking about night lights with a light sensor to come on when it's dark like a lot of night lights have had for decades. The battery backup ones are sold as 3 in 1 or 4 in 1 lights and you can find them at Walmart. +--- 57908747 +>>57908478 +threatening me obviously +--- 57908779 +>>57908732 +>So you don't even have an idea of how a scenario +Oh, so we're just intentionally misreading one another now? + +> with a light sensor to come on automatically +Then yes, you'll have enough light where you don't turn on your WML. You can even argue you don't need one. I'm keeping all of mine. +--- 57908838 +>>57908732 +>Just admit it's a cool toy rather than being something practical at that point. +Hey bro, do you have a flashlight, of any type, in your home? It doesn't have to be WML. +--- 57908853 +>>57908718 +My PVS14 uses CR123A, sorry you got the shit end of the stick bud. +--- 57908983 +>>57908779 +>Oh, so we're just intentionally misreading one another now? +Your stated scenario is that you need to retrieve people in a dark building where you need a flashlight to even move around (and they can't leave with the flashlights on their phones for some reason), and there's going to be a threat for some reason to make your life exciting despite not being able to give a reason why there would even be a threat in that environment. What did I misread? This is a half baked fantasy that you can't even fill in the blanks for why it would even happen. +--- 57909016 +Anyone arguing in this thread about the mere existence of weapon lights needs to exit immediately. Go outside. And go train. +--- 57909111 +>>57903205 +Fucking stupid fudd arguments. How in 2023 are people still thinking this shit. I wish you fucking losers did shit even an airsoft game at night and learn what the fuck is up. +>>57903239 +>>57908214 +Fucking moron, there is a reason high candela handhelds like the modlight and cloud one exist. Just because you are too simpleminded to think of a scenario doesn't mean shit. +>>57908312 +People have killed their loved ones because they had no wml and took a shot in the dark. Fucking idiot. Ask for an example go ahead. Ill show a possible glimpse of your sad fucking future unless you stay an incel forever. +>>57908732 +>what scenario do you imagine that there's gonna be distraction people and shooters hiding in corners waiting for you planning on shooting a weaponlight are you getting raided by navy seals? Hurrr +Idiot. Its your same argument. +--- 57909138 +>>57908983 +> you need to retrieve people in a dark building where you need a flashlight +> half baked +My man, it happens every damn time my home loses power in a storm. Plus, if my dogs start going batshit insane or, God forbid, I hear glass breaking, I'm not backlighting myself in my hallway. +--- 57909200 +>>57909111 +>Ask for an example go ahead. +If it's where the guy admitted he didn't actually visually confirm his target, I'd like to know about it anyway. Sometimes it's someone intentionally murdering a family member and claiming it was accidental. +--- 57909242 +>>57909111 +>taking advantage of common 2023 illumination technology targeted toward the average non gun owner, that even functions in adverse conditions, to not need to have a flashlight beam heading back to your position is fudd +Wut? + +>People have killed their loved ones because they had no wml and took a shot in the dark. +Hence the suggestion for using night lights that are now offered with battery backup to function even in the event of multi day power outages. Not to mention, I'm sure your loved ones will feel much safer with you illuminating them with a handheld light rather than the light on your gun if it does come down to that. + +>>57909138 +>b-but what if my home loses power +>continues to ignore that inexpensive night lights with battery backup specifically for that situation exist +--- 57909287 +>>57909242 +>continues to ignore that inexpensive night lights +Let's try this again. I'm not telling you to avoid night lights. I'm saying, if you don't have them, you'll need a flash light. You'll probably want the flash light anyway because it's a lot brighter at lighting up an entire room. + +Actually, let me ask you, do you own a single flashlight in your home? I'm guessing no, because your night lights are adequate, right? +--- 57909350 +>>57909287 +>if you don't have them, you'll need a flash light +There's zero point not to go with night lights over a WML if you're concerned with practical use rather than operator LARPing, considering you can cover your home with them for less than the cost of a good WML and they allow you to reach for any gun you own rather than needing a gun with a WML on it. + +>Actually, let me ask you, do you own a single flashlight in your home? I'm guessing no, because your night lights are adequate, right? +Are you going to suggest that because I own flashlights for better illumination for tasks like working in tight spaces, behind stuff, or working on my vehicle, I need a WML to be prepared for jump scares with an attacker inside my cabinets, behind my fridge, or inside my car's engine bay? +--- 57909375 +>>57909350 +You are dumb and poor lololololol +--- 57909409 +>>57909350 +Okay, so yes, you own a hand held. I'm not talking about working on your car. Have you ever needed your flashlight for moving around or looking in your home? +--- 57909453 +>>57908853 +did not ask. post it +--- 57909466 +>>57909409 +>Have you ever needed your flashlight for moving around or looking in your home? +Back before night lights with battery backup that lasts so long that the food in your freezer will stop being effectively cooled and go bad first in the event of an extended power outage. +--- 57909594 +>>57909466 +So no, you don't ever need a hand held in your home. That's all you had to say. In that case, you've had no need for a WML. + +But I'm not you. Even if my house glowed like a radioactive smurf from nighights, I'd still want a 500+ lumen white light handheld because there will still be dark spaces and shadows. And if I feel I need a pistol out when I'm doing that, AND I have the worst night of my life and have to shoot someone, FUCK TRYING TO DO IT ONE HANDED. + +Again, I read you. You have no need for a WML. I do. Even with my nightlights. +--- 57909619 +>>57909466 +Let’s pretend a flood, fire, tornado, riots, hurricane, meteor, volcano, infrastructure failure, ect occurs and your generator takes a shit or the event is bad enough where your generator runs out of fuel and you cannot safely or logistically replenish. Maybe we should even back up further, it could be as simple as a power surge or something fries your night lights. You can afford a decent generator and fuel, but you cant spare a few good back up wmls as a backup? You have nightlights all over your property? What if you have an issue outside your home and the power is out? An x300 is 300 dollars on sale, weights nothing, and gives you the ability to see and a non leathal option to gain compliance if the threat is unarmed. Night lights are a great tool and are very useful but 1000 lumens and negligible added weight on your primary and secondary cant hurt with a 20 pack of cr123s in a drawer. Knowing how to employ them and good light discipline takes less than 24 hours of training. +--- 57909969 +>>57909594 +>I'd still want a 500+ lumen white light handheld because there will still be dark spaces and shadows. +Are you concerned with intruders playing hide and seek in your closets and cabinets or something? + +>>57909619 +>An x300 is 300 dollars on sale +For one. Do you always carry your gun with that light around with you at home, or do you have guns staged in other rooms for the much more likely event of a break in when you aren't where your home defense gun is normally staged, requiring you to have multiple lights? Since you must have a wife if you're worried about IDing family members, unless you're single with kids or something, should she not also have a gun to defend the home and therefore a light for IDing an attacker if you aren't relying on night lights, or is she just going to scream like in a movie while you come running to the rescue? Once you're getting into multiple X300s as a backup, you're better off looking into whole home surge protection like a Siemens FirstSurge (that will run you less than an X300 and protect all your expensive electronics rather than just your night lights) and keeping your generator at least protected enough that you home will stop being livable first (such as having it at least at floor level in case of floods). Even if you're worried about running out of gas or your generator breaking down for some reason, they sell battery backed night lights that use swappable batteries and you can keep a couple spare sets like you recommend keeping for a WML, and that will easily last you until you'd be evacuating and staying with family because the area you're in has stopped being fit for human habitation. +--- 57910303 +>>57902184 +Streamlight HL is objectively better than any surefire option for pistol range engagements. Tons of spill compared to surefire options which throw really far but lack spill. being being $180 cheaper is just a bonus. +--- 57910317 +>>57909969 +>Are you concerned with +I'm concerned with limitations I've found with my vision from shooting shit after dark. +--- 57910337 +>>57908337 +incredibly cringe and faggot gook lover pilled +--- 57910512 +>>57903205 +Oh wow, one broken light. You know Streamlight is so reliable, that they actually have contracts with NASA? +--- 57910555 +>>57907524 +>>57903205 +I'm the guy here with the broken TLR1 you linked, and it happened exactly as I said. I barely used it, it spent most of 8 years sitting on my headboard, and the latch on the battery door just fell apart when I took the light off the pistol one day. I haven't even bothered to contact Streamlight yet because I live alone and I just leave a lamp in my living room on all night which illuminates everything between my bedroom and front door enough to see what I'm shooting at. +--- 57910561 +>>57909969 +>like a Siemens FirstSurge +Can't find that one at Menards, but here's a Square D one for the same price as a TLR-1 that offers 80,000 amp protection: +https://www.menards.com/main/electrical/circuit-protection-power-distribution/whole-house-surge-protection/square-d-trade-80-ka-whole-home-surge-protection-surge-protector/hepd80/p-1444444034160-c-14117.htm +--- 57911241 +>this thread +So WMLs are basically just LARP toys unless you're breaking into someone else's building like military/police deal with, and there are better consumer solutions to basically any self defense scenario you can think of where you might benefit from one? +--- 57911284 +>>57911241 +Yes but make sure you get an expensive one. The cheap ones suck for larping. +--- 57911304 +>>57911241 +garbage tier bait. +--- 57914466 +>>57902017 (OP) +Yep. So is EoTech. diff --git a/k/57902037.txt b/k/57902037.txt index d5d354bf02408ed683ed56430dcf637d97032046..2f65654ff53aeed9509a88eebbebbf684341cee1 100644 --- a/k/57902037.txt +++ b/k/57902037.txt @@ -4,3 +4,72 @@ --- 57902149 >>57902070 https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1681877540584707.webm +--- 57905107 +>>57902102 +This is the cutest kino I've ever seen +--- 57905435 +God I love the 36, such a shame there's no flying examples. Hopefully at least they can get XC-99 flying again. +--- 57905729 +>>57905435 +That's a big plane +--- 57906526 +>>57902037 (OP) +I'd rather have a vulcan. +--- 57906846 +>>57906526 +I don't know why you would. +The br'ish had a way a of fucking up aesthetics and making a new age jet bomber look like it was designed a decade earlier. +--- 57907659 +>>57906846 +The British had this knack for making their bombers have an extra chromosome, while at the same time still looking awesome as fuck. +--- 57907732 +>>57907659 +>an extra chromosome +That would be stating it mildly +--- 57907749 +>>57902037 (OP) +--- 57907945 +>>57907659 +i like this one +--- 57908050 +Love the B-47. +--- 57908087 +S A C +--- 57908472 +If the B-58 had been around a couple more years, we would have seen this wicked scheme come to fruition. +--- 57908686 +>>57908050 +--- 57908757 +>>57906846 +I'm sorry have you seen the B52? +--- 57908780 +Simpler times when the military wasn’t pozzed +--- 57909133 +>>57908780 +>Simpler times when the military wasn’t pozzed +Was it though? +In a constant state of "if we actually do our jobs it's the end of the world" mentality. +--- 57909399 +I want one of those as an art piece in my living room. +--- 57909412 +>>57908757 +Yes. Ain't she a beaut'? +--- 57911600 +>>57902037 (OP) +I love it so much bros. It was a simpler time, when everybody knew who the enemy was and trusted their neighbor. My city had a SAC base that hosted B-52s, F-101s, and a BOMARC SAM site. The SOVL from that era is fucking incredible. +--- 57911762 +>>57911600 +>My city had a SAC base +Mine too, brother +--- 57912147 +>>57902070 +If this doesnt make you physically aroused then you are a dirty commie +--- 57912814 +>>57911762 +Whoa. Yours was bigger than mine. +--- 57914529 +>>57911762 +Did you guys notice the YB-60 parked in this picture? +--- 57914837 +>>57902102 +My dad would belt me if I did this on a B-52. diff --git a/k/57902224.txt b/k/57902224.txt index de18b8f5b41242769f64d750bcb683c0294b8280..54609a431194f13d16c5096b1a408a6b4fc21a83 100644 --- a/k/57902224.txt +++ b/k/57902224.txt @@ -120,3 +120,155 @@ Fake and gay thread. God damn you guys are stupid go lurk /b/ for another 10 yea --- 57903408 >>57902224 (OP) I know you! +--- 57903972 +>>57902224 (OP) +Cant you retards just use Breakfree CLP and limit Hoppe´s on the hard shit? Also get well soon :( +Breakfree CLP as a non-aerosol is even softer to humans than Ballistol, so yeah +--- 57904111 +>>57902269 +wait until you get the bill, You could have purchased a full auto M16! +--- 57904123 +OP just self reported that he lacks a natural gag reflex lmao cocksucker. Hoppes is full of so much shit that only a true faggot wouldn't immediately retch. +--- 57904177 +>>57902518 +>They kept asking me if it was suicide and I had to keep telling them no and getting hurt was unintended +It's not too late to change your mind, anon. +--- 57904198 +>>57904111 +shit, the msds shows its containing methanol. But the concentration on the data sheet would mean he needs to fully drink 100ml minimum to get blind, OP is safe +--- 57904383 +>>57902224 (OP) +I'm going to remember this the next time I run a meeting on lab safety. +--- 57904505 +>>57904198 +you can treat methanol intoxication with ethanol, so just chug some wodka fterwards +--- 57904510 +>>57904505 +Just drink until you dilute methanol % to acceptable levels, comrade +--- 57904528 +>>57904505 +It contains 10-30% ethanon, but thats not enough ;_; add some 99% ethanol and make a Hoppe´s energy drink +--- 57904545 +>>57904528 +Now we're cookin +--- 57904584 +>>57904528 +When you´re able to put a muzzle break into your ass and it comes out clean +--- 57904680 +>>57902224 (OP) +>>drank directly from the Hoppes bottle. +Tragic..... +Your manhood is over, Your package will fall off soon. +Might as well get a AR, some furry amine stickers and tranzlucent pink and purple mags for the AR. +Hop on the /k/ AR threads talk about Lubes for your receiver and try and blend in. +--- 57904702 +>>57902454 +Go back to R*ddit you fucking faggot. +--- 57905558 +put me in the screencap +--- 57906536 +>>57904680 +Coincidentally I was cleaning an AR at the time +--- 57906563 +>>57902224 (OP) +>in soviet russia rifle lubes you +--- 57906625 +Any hoppes connoisseurs here? Do you know if it tastes better aged? I have this ancient bottle sealed with rust. +--- 57907421 +>>57904177 +--- 57907557 +Because this thread made me laugh i hope for a speedy recovery and natural immunity to future chemicals for you OP. +But damn, you sure are a fuckup. +--- 57907589 +Posting in epic bread +--- 57907768 +>>57902224 (OP) +--- 57907882 +>>57902239 +The fuck did you bleed out of? Your dick? +It looks like there's a mucussy membrane in there. +Did you piss out fucking solvent and this happened? Are those your shriveled testes ? +--- 57907912 +>>57902315 +Drink more. +>>57902379 +Kenny loggins "im alright" begins softly in the background. +--- 57908014 +>>57902312 +>Well chloroform is what I used for isolating and just because it’s mostly insoluble in water doesn’t mean I didn’t drink enough to get poisoned. +I mean, it wouldn't be the first time someone ingested chloroform. How much was it? +--- 57908529 +>>57908014 +A few hundred microliters hard to know for sure since it was chloroform dissolved in water +I felt fine and was laughing about what a genius I was till my skin flushed and pulse went crazy, then after realizing I didn’t have the antidote and I’m gonna get kidney damage I went to the hospital + +Doctors got scared since my systolic was under 90 but joke is on them since it was just like 10-15 points below my average +--- 57908735 +Just read the ingredients for hoppes 9 bore cleaner, you were mostly fine (no heavy metals or something hilariously toxic like large amounts of methanol or worse in both the bore cleaner and the number 9 solvent) apart from the fact that those things destroy the epithelial cells in the digestive tract, for instance acetone interculates in to the cell walls and destroys them, like most of the things on that list (gee i wonder why shit that is designed to remove oils removes oils from your cell walls which are oils by design), so basically you did nothing worse than drink drain cleaner, which is still bad, so the fact that you got your stomach pumped fairly quick was a good thing, cheers hoppes anon +>.t chemist fag +--- 57909134 +>>57907882 +that was me coughing, I have a weird blood thing where it's very thin but coagulates very fast outside my body; none more than that came up +--- 57909220 +>>57903280 +I lol'd +--- 57909291 +>>57902454 +>have insurance +>pay deductible +>still less than Europeon taxes +Sucks to suck. +--- 57909329 +>>57902312 +This is why we have lab test animals anon, you probably didn't even know the LD50 of your concoction was +--- 57909959 +>>57902432 +Isopropyl alcohol is poisonous… +--- 57911778 +>>57902224 (OP) +Holy fuck OP + +Megalol and put me in screencap +--- 57911925 +>>57909134 +>coughing, I have a weird blood thing where it's very thin but coagulates very fast +uh coughing up blood at any time for any reason es no bueno, at a minimum you have untreated chronic lung infection like bronchitis, or could be early COPD blood clot and lots of things that only get worse. +the occasional nosebleed, that happens, but not this +--- 57911970 +>>57911925 +I think he meant his blood in general is very thin but coagulates fast when he bleeds not that he coughs up blood often (or ever, unless he drinks, say, Hoppes, for example). +--- 57912033 +>>57902269 +Get well soon. +--- 57912280 +>>57902224 (OP) +That's what you get for drinking out of plastic bottles. +--- 57914462 +>>57902224 (OP) +bumping this to keep op alive for just a little longer +--- 57914525 +>>57914462 +I'm out of the hospital at the very least, boss was kinda pissed but I don't think it was all that big a deal. In my defense, I was thirsty +--- 57914561 +>>57902614 +>I'd rather be free to get fucked in the ass by megacorporations than be allowed to visit the local healer without bankrupting myself +--- 57914565 +>>57902224 (OP) +This is why I use ballistol. lol you can use it to cook probably +--- 57914571 +>>57914561 +>hurr megacorps +wow you're so brave, please move somewhere they'll REALLY appreciate you +--- 57914611 +>>57914561 +>Posts king of kikes, faggot tough guy biker, twitter sjw as his reaction image +Imagine +--- 57914638 +>>57914565 +The best combination cooking oil and gun cleaner is froglube, because its just minty coconut oil, guaranteed to impart a fresh minty coconut taste onto anything you fry/clean +--- 57914680 +>>57902224 (OP) +Ballistol Master Race. +--- 57915090 +>>57902224 (OP) +Do they activate charcoal the same way they activate almonds? Please respond. diff --git a/k/57902448.txt b/k/57902448.txt index 8551a0ee61a277d37526869f634e2559c0772ed9..8a6798714b1324fa27623fed555e56974ed4e77a 100644 --- a/k/57902448.txt +++ b/k/57902448.txt @@ -46,3 +46,501 @@ The pollaxe family (including bec de corbin, lucerne hammer etc) are useful weap --- 57903218 >>57902448 (OP) Why the fuck would modern tactics and knowledge be relevant to medieval war? Airstrike doctrine doesn't work when you can't do an airstrike +--- 57904964 +>>57903045 +Not just that, but what is optimal changes heavily depending on when in the middle ages you mean, where you are, and what your circumstances are. For example, just because the Swiss did very well doesn't mean that their model would work at all for 12th century Byzantium. +--- 57905047 +>>57903045 +>>57903218 +I do think OP has a point. We have the power of hindsight and limitless information after all. I'm sure someone versed in medieval warfare might be able to come up with good strategies by compiling and comparing what worked. But you need to specify the timeframe and location. +Imagine how bad medieval boomerlore had to be. A .22 bouncing in your head is nothing against the shit medieval soldiers would have come up with. +--- 57905109 +Shire horse self propelled longbowmen in a crenellated carriage. Fully mounted army, so is always faster than marching army catching them before they can ever reach a critical size. +Towed trebuchets rather than construction on site, to accelerate seiges to weeks not months. +Massive increase in longbow yeomanry means partially trained younger men could ride smaller horses with smaller bows and spears as light cavalry to act as scouting / looting force for main army. +I would destroy any heavy armour looted to prevent it being recaptured, and severely punish enemies caught wearing plate armours for being "wealthy landowner peasant exploiters terrorists" or something . +Also rather than breeding dumb wolf's to be loving dogs with eyebrows, I would breed big brain corvids to be scouts and messengers +--- 57905125 +>>57902448 (OP) +phalanxes flanked by superheavy legionnaires with solid metal scutums +--- 57905801 +>>57902448 (OP) +As other Anons have already pointed: you need to specify the point in time, against which enemy one would fight and what your available ressources are. +But I think what every state, regardless of time period, could implement would be a sound organizational foundation for the army. Something like the swedish and prussian canton systems of the 17th century. This would allow the state to more predictably levy troops and reduce the dependency on the various nobles. An overall theoretical reform of the state, away from the various feudal systems, would benefit many medieval states. +>>57902993 +The army of the Burgundian State were already top notch. It is just that Charles got outplayed on the diplomatic stage and suffered a series of losses from which he was unable to recover from - quite literally in the end. The only thing one could add to the army of Burgundy would be lighter elements similar to the swiss to make fast movements on the battlefield and on campaign possible. +--- 57907157 +>>57902448 (OP) +Along with the specific era, you need to consider the economic situation and culture an army is from. + +Depending on era and place, maintaining a large standing army is going to be hard. Likewise some forms of soldier, such as horse archers or longbowmen, take years and years of training from a young age to produce. +--- 57907207 +>>57902456 +Which type?The elite used heavy lamellar armor and often fought as shock cavalry.You could absolutely get a better armor that ways the same or less from europe.Late Medieval mongols were also beaten by just about anyone that they fought. +--- 57907271 +>>57905047 +>We have the power of hindsight and limitless information after all. +A lot of information has been lost over the years, and the rest you only have if you do your homework. Since OP thinks "medieval" is specific enough to do something substantial with here it's clear that he neither has nor will. + +>Imagine how bad medieval boomerlore had to be. +Odds are a large chunk of what you think you know about the middle ages is simply 19th century "boomer"lore about them. +--- 57907334 +>>57907271 +> simply 19th century "boomer"lore about them. +Yeah,Victorian era "scholars" had the habit to just make up shit.Like the small hand crossbows that were made as toys for nobles and had maker's marks.But one guy looked at one for ten seconds and thought they were used by assassins.Or the myth about plate armor being so heavy that they had to use cranes to lift the knights. +--- 57907426 +>>57907271 +>>57907334 +>19th century "boomer"lore about them. +>Yeah,Victorian era "scholars" had the habit to just make up shit. +>muh longbows +>stupid french +>swords are iron clubs +>knights needs cranes to get into saddle +>knights cant get up if they fall +>did i mentioned french and their knights are stupid? +>you draw cut with sabers +--- 57907449 +>>57902448 (OP) +>Tonight we'll have shota paige for dinner +--- 57907573 +>>57902448 (OP) +Pre-1600s: +Horse archers + +Pre-1500s also: +English style army built around well-rounded knights and mounted archers. They mogged everyone they met and at half the budget. Archers are too OP. The English were the only major players to develop this style of warfare but they were too poor and a few decades too late to truly dominate. +--- 57907670 +>>57905047 +People are pretty good at optimizing for their material conditions. If we suppose that we are to optimize for a medieval period without introducing wholly new technology from later periods, it would be arrogant to think that medieval people weren't already doing that. Sure they had their superstitions and things that seem arbitrary to us, but in its own way that's what was practical. +Like, what are you gonna do, go in and tell them stop wearing bright colors and prancing about like fags? That's what worked. You needed to be seen more than you needed to not be a target. You can't tell them small unit tactics are leet operator shit, the training isn't practical and they would just be overwhelmed. +--- 57907813 +>>57902993 +That fucker would just need better intel. Like, don't go after those poor looking peasants that are using some new wunderwafe farming utensils. +--- 57907844 +>>57907670 +This thread overlaps significantly with the "what would you teach ancient people if you go back in time" thread that crops up every now and then. My answer is always to teach modern hygiene, nutrition, crop rotation and accounting to Romans, which alone would make them an unstoppable empire, but confining myself to military stuff this time round, getting Romans to add more longbowmen and cavalry, and introducing the stirrup, would do wonders. +--- 57907936 +>>57902993 +>unlimited budget +We build a massive navy. I mean a really colossal one. We get tens of thousands of people - some soldiers, mostly colonists - and a shitton of supplies on it, do the triangle-trade path over to "North America" (we'll call it Carolingia in honour of Charles), settle the eastern coast, have the empty ships sail back and pick up more people. Transfer as much of the Burgundian population as we can that way, building new settlements and eventually cities in the continent of Carolingia, while engaging in genocidal expansion against the natives until our people have settled the entire continent. + +You're welcome, Charles - your family now rules over a realm that utterly dwarfs Europe in both size and natural resources and is protected on all sides by ocean. Fuck Lotharingia, Carolingia is where it's at. +--- 57908093 +The one thing you can do to improve their armies would be to reform administration and beurocracy to make maintaining an arming more feasible. And then basicaly just do what they where already doing but professional/semi professional merc army. +--- 57908122 +>>57907670 +On the contrary, e.g. Hussites - a rag-tag band of outnumbered rebels BTFO the best armies of Europe via new tactics, then when they got defeated, everybody ignored their lessons and carried on. To say that people did things because it was the best thing they could had done at the time is just circular reasoning.by retards. +--- 57908267 +>>57907573 +>They mogged everyone they met +Explain all of the battles that they lost. +>and at half the budget +A mounted english archer on campaign was paid 6 pence that's actually lot by medieval standards and 3 times more than common infantry would have gotten.Supplying hardened arrow tips was also expensive. +>Horse archers +That's a nice way to say that you don't know shit about medieval warfare. +--- 57908396 +>>57908122 +>then when they got defeated, everybody ignored their lessons and carried on +you're right, after that everyone put down their firearms and decided that they would only ever LARP as classical era armies in the future. there was definitely no adaptation to the changes in technology. you fuckin retard fag +--- 57908399 +>>57908267 +>Being good means you are literally invcible +lmao +>6 pence that's actually lot by medieval standards +Paid half that of a man at arms and twice that of a normal longbowman, yet defeated armies that had more knights than their entire army. Yep, seems like a great deal to me. +--- 57908407 +War Wagons +--- 57908516 +>>57907670 +lmao only a simpleton would think that an army is already be the best it possibly can be. There are plenty of cases where someone reformed an army to improve it, with no change in technology or circumstances to prompt such a thing. Was that army optimized, yet magically not optimized the very next day when they reformed? +When the roman army switched from spears to shields, was spears optimal right up to the next day when they used swords instead? + +When Marius did his reforms, were the old ways were optimal right up to that point? + +The English switched from a conventional European army to one based on longbows, remaking their society just to do so, which one was optimal? Was it the new English ways, or the old English ways that everyone else did? + +When Philip II of Macedon created the Macedonian phalanx, were hoplites optimal, but then suddenly the phalanx was for no reason? + +>>57908267 +War wagons? Do you even know what the Hussites did? WTF even was this post? +--- 57908593 +>>57902448 (OP) +Hussars with ERA on their horses +--- 57908644 +I wonder if roller bearings would increase the transport efficency of carts and wagons by any relevant amount +--- 57908706 +>>57908267 +How many fucking times do I have to repeat that the English were fucking mediocre? Their track record vs. the French isn't great, they were middling as mercenaries in Italy, and they got absolutely mogged by the Swiss every time they fought, which is fucking hilarious since the Swiss fought as LIGHTLY-ARMOURED INFANTRY WITHOUT SHIELDS +--- 57908714 +>>57907670 + +Nah, even today, in a relatively meritocratic culture in comparison to the past, with everything open to critique and scrutiny, we see a lot of massive fuckups. +Obviously, even a well-educated modern scholar will have plenty of ideas about the past that are wrong; there are many things that modern people would simply overlook. +That's why in all those scenarios about sharing modern knowledge with past cultures, it's important to work together with people from those times, let them poke holes in modern ideas, and in exchange, poke holes in some of their retarded concepts. + +My two cents: semi-modern shipbuilding. Take what we know and see what they can make with it. Make your chosen faction rule the waves (or at least the rivers). I'm really curious what kind of medieval abominations they could make. +--- 57908736 +>>57908706 +lol stay mad, cunt +--- 57908744 +>>57902483 +Do you understand how fucking insane it is that MONGOLIANS in the middle ages even fought Croats and Austrians? +--- 57908759 +>>57902483 +Losing to the Samurai at the same time as losing to the Austrians is an achievement in and of itself. +--- 57908817 +>>57908706 +>Almost managed to conquer France on a third of their budget, defeated massive French armies (three times) that significantly outnumbered them in sheer numbers of men AND massively outnumbered them in numbers of knights by an entire magnitude. +Yeah, I think the English system didn't just work, it exceeded all expectations. When e.g. at Agincourt 5 thousand archers and 1 thousand knights defeated 10 thousand knights and 10 thousand light cavalry, that's the opposite of "mediocre" +--- 57908871 +>>57908516 +You are not a genius reformer and you are not intimately familiar with the needs and conditions of any particular place or period at any point in history experienced by anyone. I'm not saying no one ever improves anything. I'm saying the likelihood that you offer anything to that effect is so remote as to be worth only discarding. There were multiple generations between people like Marius and they came up through the ranks of their own time with the on the ground experience of their era and locality. +>>57908714 +You said all that but in the end your offer to history is to port in a modern technology wholesale. Sure you propose doing it with the tools of the time, but a modern technology nonetheless. You are subconsciously humble enough to realize that you would not improve anything if you stuck to the conditions of the period. +--- 57908887 +>>57902448 (OP) +Are we assuming gunpower or no? What level of armor? +>Assuming early gunpower (So some handcannons but too slow and costly to hand them out to all ranged troops.) and plate armor. +>Ranged Troops: Should form a large portion of your army. They're way better than they were given credit for. Entrenching wasn't too hard and entrenched ranged troops with some pike support would beat most things if trained and supplied well. +-Handcannoneers: Great for sieges, can fuck armor, they're the best. Get as many as you can. +-Crossbowmen: Literally the next best thing. All the benefits of bows, 0 drawbacks. If you let soldiers learn how to make and maintain them they will so they're almost free. You have no reason not to use them unless you have so much gunpower you don't need anything else. +-Dragoons/HorseCrossbowmen: If you can get them, they can do a lot to harass enemy troops and raid, if not, you can do without. +>Melee Infantry: They're a necessity for many things. Do not discount them just because they're peasants. +-Pikemen: they defend your ranged troops really well, they block cav, they have good range. Use them. Also try training them on shield use for close quarters, they can do it well. +-Dedicated shield users or polearm troops: great for sieges, urban combat, and you need a few with at least half armor to break pike block duels. Great bodyguards too. +>Melee Cavalry: If gunpower is already here they are going to be useless soon, BUT. +-Light cav: If you can't get dragoons/horse crossbows these guys can be a pain in your enemies logistics. If you can get them ranged weapons on a budget you should. If not, they're still good explorers, messengers, etc. But you don't need that many. +-Heavy Cavalry: They CAN get a good charge in sometimes, mostly they just make great bodyguards. Plus they make great armored infantry when dismounted, so having some is a great bonus. DO NOT OVERUSE THEM. +>tl;dr: Just copy picrel's homework. +--- 57908892 +>>57908817 +That's taking advantage of the terrain and pretending it was the memebow's victory. When the English faced French knights on dry, flat fields they were often destroyed by traditional cavalry charges while when the landscape was broken but not drowning in mud the French beat them by dismounting to fight on foot. +--- 57908928 +>>57908871 +Cool goalposts bro, no one ever said anything about going back in time except for you. +--- 57908942 +>>57908817 +On the other hand, during the Gugler incident of 1375, a large Anglo-French force, formed during a lull in the Hundred Years' War. They ravaged the countrysides of central France and the Alsace, before attempting to invade Switzerland. +Of course, the moment they ran into the Swiss, they got massacred, because the Hundred Years' War was in essence the Special Olympics of medieval warfare and they had finally come across a competent force. +--- 57908971 +>>57908942 +The other encounter between the Swiss and English was during the Burgundian Wars, where Charles the Bold hired a fuckload of veteran English archers for his armies. Of course, everyone knows what happened to Charles, but it needs to be noted that the English were described as not even being able to get a single shot off, being overwhelmed by the opening volleys of the Swiss vanguard and the subsequent infantry charge every time. +--- 57908984 +>>57908892 +>At Crecy +>At Poitiers again +>At Agincourt again +When does it stop? Going to blame the terrain every time? +--- 57908998 +>>57908744 +>how fucking insane it is that MONGOLIANS +No?The intial conquests of Genghis Khan were impressive,the Ilkhanate was impressive as well but they lasted less than hundred years and never reached europe.The Golden Horde claimed some empty steppe and raped some slavs,eventually got turkified and then remained irrelevant until they were subjugated. +--- 57909024 +>>57908984 +hmm.. +>This is a list of major battles in the Hundred Years' War, a conflict between France and England that lasted 116 years from 1337 to 1453. There are 60 of them. +--- 57909077 +>>57908942 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugler +>The Guglers (also Güglers) were a body of mostly English and French knights +Should had brought longbowmen + +>under the leadership of Enguerrand VII de Coucy +Under the time-test war-winning leadership of the French and Welsh, lmao + +>the obvious resolve of the Swiss populace, led to the retreat of the Guglers +Dumbass Frenchman panicked and fled at the first sight of resistance. +--- 57909081 +>>57908998 +A feat so mundane its been repeated hundreds of times. +--- 57909152 +>>57909024 +Those three are the three biggest battles of the entire war. I don't know about you, but when a bunch of dudes that costs half that of knights, beat a bunch of knights twice their number, maybe it's a sign they're actually pretty good? +--- 57909174 +>>57909077 +>Should had brought longbowmen +"Gugler" rougly means "bascinet wearer", because archers can't wear wide-brimmed helmets. It was a force consisting of both French knights and English longbowmen, which in the Anglo imagination should make it the greatest medieval force of all time. +>Under the time-test war-winning leadership of the French and Welsh, lmao +Of course, the English were always led by frogs at this time. +>Dumbass Frenchman panicked and fled at the first sight of resistance. +Dumbass English and some Frenchmen +--- 57909231 +>>57909174 +Now this is cope. +--- 57909290 +>>57909231 +The only coping I see here is coming from the anglos who need to come to grips with how overrated their ancestors are. +Even if we imagine that the Gugler force was made up purely of French knights, then that still reflects incredibly poorly on the English, because that would mean that a hastily-assembled and massively outnumbered band of mountain peasants totally mogged the English when it came to killing knights. +Of course, everyone does know that the Swiss were far more effective at defeating French-style cavalry armies than the English were, as they proved in other wars. +--- 57909317 +>>57908759 +The Koreans were the ones who fought the japs. +--- 57909331 +>>57909174 +Ah yes, the bascinet, the iconic headwear of archers. +lmao +--- 57909342 +>>57909331 +Yes. +--- 57909394 +>>57902448 (OP) +100% this +--- 57909398 +>>57909331 +That's with Hounskull you tard +--- 57909422 +>>57909174 +>The term Gugler is derived from the appearance of the knights dressed for winter, wearing hounskull (German: hundsgugel) helmets and cowl-like hoods, Gugle (or Gügle) being a Swiss German term for cowl or point.[1] + +Meanwhile, anon: must be longbowmen, source, my ass. +--- 57909430 +>>57909394 +Hill monkeys stay out. This is a Swadian board. +--- 57909514 +>>57908942 +>Oh that's interesting, how could the unarmored Swiss defeat longbowmen where French knights and Scottish pikemen failed? +>Do a quick google search +>No longbowmen, just knights +>It was a surprise atatck on their camp anyway, so what soldiers they were didn't matter anyway +WOW +--- 57909577 +>>57909422 +The claim that they were solely made up of knights only appears on the English Wikipedia entry, no other source describes them as "knights". The much higher-quality German language entry, and all German-speaking literature refers to the Guglers as mercenaries (Söldner) or soldiers (Soldaten). +A number of incidents during the Gugler incursion were recorded and they clearly point at the presence of English archers, such as Rudolf IV von Nidau getting shot by one. + +And again, if we assume they were all knights, then that's at least ten-thousand, or as many as thirty-thousand knights, something the English couldn't have dealt with +>>57909514 +>>It was a surprise atatck on their camp anyway, so what soldiers they were didn't matter anyway + +>attack a fortified position full of knights and longbowmen while heavily outnumbered +>win +>anglos think this is unimpressive +--- 57909622 +A Mongolian army of 1,000,000 men to deliver me all the young Eurasian women my cock can handle on the daily. They can pillage whatever they want for all I care. +--- 57909630 +>>57909577 +>surprise attack on a bunch of sleeping men +>Yeah, that showed them! Knights BTFO! +What was your point again? +--- 57909673 +>>57909630 +Even if we assume that's all they did (which isn't the case, l2read more than Wikipedia), then that's still a feat that would require too much speed, subterfuge and coordination for the English to accomplish +--- 57909677 +>>57909081 +Yes .Or did you miss european colonisation?By the 16th century portugal was sailing around africa ,fought wars with the ottomans in the arabian sea while simultaneously fighting in south america and taking control of Macau in china +--- 57909784 +Cannon. Lots of cannon. And some wagons. + +>Field battle +6-pounder grapeshot, everywhere, kills everything +>Siege +Cannon destroys everything, whether offense or defense +>Ambush/skirmish +Broken up by 2 pounders on wagons, ready to use at a moment's notice. + +essentially be the medieval napoleon +--- 57909801 +>>57908887 +Going earlier so gunpower either isn't a thing or is only used in sieges, but past the point where haing plate armor in the form of half armor or brigandines was already a thing. +>Ranged Troops: Without handcannons these guys will have a lot more trouble dealing with armor, but they should still form a large part of your army at least in mixed companies. They are great vs infantry, the best in some terrain or when protected, and great at sieges. +-Crossbowmen: They are still objectively better than bowmen in every way, and without handcannons the main source of anti armor in your army is likely going to be arbalests or other armor. Some minor kingdoms used them as elite guards, specially in southern europe, do not think just because the crossbow was considered a peasant weapon it wasn't still the best shit at your disposal at this period in time. +-Slingers and javelins: They're found easily in mountain regions and make for great skirmishers, specially those from southern europe. +-Horse Crossbowmen or Archers: Basically just upgraded light cavalry, you can still do without, but won't hurt. +>Melee Troops: they will have more weight than last time, armor is more worth it without guns but they still can't do everything. +-Spear infantry: this age's version of pikes, loose some range but get a shield. Needed for defense specially in fields but don't overuse them, if they can get crossbows mixed in all the better. Needs support. +-Armored infantry: Breaks up duels, good bodyguards, good for urban combat and shields, you need some, get them horses if possible. +-Light Cavalry: good explorers and messengers, needed for logistics, good at harassing enemy flanks, if you can give them ranged weapons even better but even without you need a few. +-Heavy Cavalry: doubles up as the best heavy infantry when dismounted. Beware entrenched infantry or terrain issues so don't overuse them, plus it's expensive as fuck. But do try to get some if possible. +--- 57909855 +>>57909673 +Cool story bro, now back it up with evidence. Without goalpost moving to an entirely new goal this time. +--- 57909858 +>>57909677 +NTA but we are jumping from the 12th century to the 16th century here. On top of that, even though the Portuguese Empire was impressive in its own right; Mongolia was a contiguous land empire that was supposedly so well secured that you could cross the whole thing with a gold plate on your head. The Mongolians weren't collecting ports and defending them, they were conquering nations wholesale. +--- 57909860 +>>57902448 (OP) +Just spam Lancers +--- 57910010 +>>57907573 +>pre 1600 +>horse archers +Reddit +--- 57910024 +>>57902448 (OP) +Here's the purrrfect medieval army. + +>Funpowder Units +I'd want to employ a lot of confetti shooters to really surprise the enemy. Getting them tangled up would also be a bonus, but only the ones who are prone to slipping humorously. + +>Fright Cavalry +Horses painted with plenty of spooky paint and dressed up in spooky clothing. Perhaps looks like a skeleton. Perhaps looks like a wizard with a beard. Really good at freaking out the enemy. + +>SSBBWHeavy Cavalry +Horses that are really fat with equally fat riders. Fed on only the fattiest and sweetest foods. BOTH man and beast. I'm talking Henry the Eighth is an amateur compared to these guys. Imagine getting hit with a charge! + +>Singers and Jazzalins +Castrates from the Catholic church and jazzhand performers to distract the enemy and to perform recon. They'll never suspect the singers to be the lookouts, and the jazzers can signal around for the main army help direct troops with clear, fun, and safe orders. + +>Armied Infantry +Infantry that came back in a time machine from 2023 with modern equipment and 10,000 rounds each. Gets teleported back to modern times if they run out of ammo. + +>Fancers +Light riders carrying fans to help keep the troops cool in hot fighting weather. Can band together to do "the wave" and push extra air across the field to refresh the troops. + +>Shartchers +Lactose-intolerant men LOADED TO THE BRIM WITH DAIRY. Put a few arrows in their ass, and they'll perform better than any longbow at piecing armor. + +>Horse Shartchers +Lactose-intolerant horses without riders. Flanking animals that run around the enemy while carrying heavy ballistic arrows in their horse butts. + +>Greek Flier Troops +A bunch of Greeks carrying parchment and glue to slap on the helmets of the enemy. They can't hit what they can't see! They'll be paid in gyros and olive oil for each man papered. + +>Shearmen +Hold the middle of the army's line with large gardening shears. Able to create paths on the battlefield. +--- 57910033 +>>57902448 (OP) +FAMAS and plate armor. +--- 57910059 +>>57902448 (OP) +>ITT full of muh horse archer meme +Historylets +--- 57910249 +>>57909855 +It's even on the English Wikipedia page, but you can't even read that properly. The Swiss fought the Guglers in a series of night battles, some happened on the move, such as at Buttisholz, while others were when the Guglers were dug in, such as at Fraubrunnen. +--- 57910263 +>>57910249 +And to make it perfectly clear for your especially dumb ass, Buttisholz was a direct confrontation, not an ambush. +--- 57910270 +>>57902456 +Unironically, one of the best. Byzantine is probably even better. Tech advantage, tactically superb, they were just zerg rushed by everyone from turks to crusaders, not to mention that they had the merchants of merchants against them. +--- 57910297 +>>57909394 +Even the heaviest crossbows barely equaled stronger bows, and had a poorer rate of fire. Crossbows are only good because they don't take half a decade to train up. +--- 57910377 +>>57910270 +I hate the fanboy shit Byzantines get. They don't deserve it. They always lose again and again and need countless bailouts from foreigners and civil wars within their enemies to save their ass every time, and they still can't get their shit together. + +Byzantium was the Whore of Babylon empire of its time. +--- 57910414 +>>57910377 +>bailouts from foreigners +Get the fuck out of here Bohemund. Frankish "Catholics" will never be Christian or Roman, but always be Barbarians. +--- 57910425 +>>57910414 +Struck a nerve? +--- 57910426 +>>57908644 +Quite probably, but you have to remember the economic cost of innovation. +Creating a cart wasn't cheap. Roller bearings wouldn't make it cheaper. Wood is quite a fragile material and metal certainly wasn't cheap. If the cost of a wheel or an axle is higher than the trade value of the goods then anybody using a cart would just carry a spare wheel, rather than take the cost of the new technology. Especially with muddy tracks and whatnot which just allows dirt and water fouling. +Modern tech is only useful with other modern tech. Not just in the vehicle, but the full supply chain. Unless you can manufacture the kit to make roller bearings, manufacture the roller bearings, install them, repair and replace them, and produce the skills and material resources required, AND it's still below the trade value of the goods used, then only then will people use them. +Read a Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain. It's about a factory foreman who gets isekai'd into early mediaeval England and introduces 1800s tech and attitudes which isn't always successful, and Twain explains why in detail. +[spoiler]The best part IMO is the secret B plot, where the Yankee starts off preaching enlightenment values of humanitarianism and Christian dignity, and gradually becomes a tyrant without noticing as the story progresses as the culture he's attempting to uplift drags him down[/spoiler] +--- 57910440 +>>57910297 +This is incorrect. Crossbows could be a lot more powerful than bows, even accounting for their inefficiency. The thing is that for most of the time, the average crossbow wasn't that powerful, because more power means more weight, more complex drawing devices and slower rates of shot. +However, those that did have highly complex mechanisms and insane draw weights definitely were a fuckload more powerful than even the heaviest of bows. Due to the inefficiencies, they didn't shoot their bolts at very high velocities, but they could shoot really fucking heavy bolts. +--- 57910455 +>>57910426 +Fug I can't be trusted with slashes +--- 57910473 +>>57910425 +>not even a minute to reply +I apparently have, yeah. +--- 57910514 +>>57910473 +Ok, bro. Keep coping about the Byzantines all you want to keep you happy. +--- 57910624 +One medieval troop type that fascinates me is the partisan and shield wielding footsoldier of late medieval and renaissance-era northern Italy. +Their armament seems to have consisted of: +>one or more partisans +>a sword, usually an arming- or sidesword from what I can tell, sometimes a falchion/storta +>a shield, either a rotella or various larger types +>a helmet, varying from skullcaps to various larger types, depending on the exact time period +>a breastplate or brigandine +>leg armour, often just a pair of greaves +In theory at least, they were extremely versatile. Textual sources (such as Pietro Monte) describe them as having all sorts of different manners of fighting, such as using their partisans as heavy javelins and fighting almost like pseudo-legionaries, or fighting with the partisan as a one-handed spear, or even ditching the shield and using the partisan two-handed as a cut-and-thrust polearm, essentially a double-edged glaive. The aforementioned Monte even recommends throwing your shield at the enemy as a distraction. +--- 57910699 +>>57910624 +--- 57910712 +>>57910699 +--- 57910731 +>>57910624 +Sounds like they wanted to larp as Hoplites, considering the renaissance and all. +--- 57910808 +>>57910731 +It doesn't quite add up, chronologically speaking, because the troop type emerges before they get all larpy and all'antica. They definitely did notice the similarities though. +My guess is that they were a sort of universal support troop. Got a cavalry engagement? These guys can kill horses like none other, since a partisan can create massive wounds that will even make a horse bleed out quickly. Got a push of pike coming up? Have them assist your pikes by softening the enemy up with some thrown partisans and then use them as swordsmen to exploit any gaps in the enemy line. Shit like that. +--- 57910835 +>>57910249 +>No archers +What was the point you was trying to make again? I forgot from all the goalpost moving you're doing. +--- 57910851 +>>57910624 +Literally just spearmen. +--- 57910891 +>>57903108 +Horse archers got badly raped in the First Crusade; had to totally shift to avoid the same raping in later crusades. +--- 57910959 +>>57905109 +>partially trained younger men could ride smaller horses with smaller bows and spears as light cavalry to act as scouting / looting force for main army. +Sounds like Nikephoros II Phocas did +--- 57910975 +>>57910835 +I already pointed out that the texts say they had archers, because they were shooting people when on their raids. +Just because they don't appear in the art doesn't mean that they weren't there. After all, killing knights is impressive, killing archers isn't. +Side note, the book that image is from calls the Guglers Englishmen (Engelender), downplaying the French French involvement (aside from the leadership and the French king paying them to do their raiding outside of France proper) +--- 57911017 +>>57910891 +Not true, and what a meme photo. Shooting point-blank into a shield while the other retard waited to lower his spear while you approached lolol +--- 57911018 +>1/3 Longbows +>1/3 Heavy Spearmen +>1/3 Light Cavalry + +Prick, Stick, and Hit +--- 57911045 +>>57910249 +>longbowmen could only penetrate the limb armor with lucky shots while swisschads impaled kniggers through their breastplates +--- 57911192 +>>57911045 +>be heavily armored Swissfag +>get a broadhead to the shoulder +>can't hold your giant spear correctly +>catch another arrow to knee and can't stand +>get trampled by horses +--- 57911362 +.>>57910249 +Still waiting for that proof of +>a feat that would require too much speed, subterfuge and coordination for the English to accomplish +You throw out a random irrelevant wild statement like that, and then you deflect it endlessly with even more random wild statements. When are you going to stop being so ridiculously butthurt? +--- 57911433 +>>57902483 +Not to mention the Indians and Vietnamese +--- 57911460 +>>57908817 +>piggyback off of French civil war +Sure anon +--- 57911472 +>>57911017 +Read a fucking book on the first Crusade dumb ass. It has multiple instances of Seljuks losing battles 2:1 or more in their favor while employing lots of horse archers. +--- 57911476 +>>57910891 +what's the deal with having lamellar in addition to mail? +--- 57911509 +>>57908984 +>forgetting Orleans, and Patay +--- 57911550 +>>57911472 +Mostly because they ran away due to political infighting. Not because military defeat. Antioch is a prime example. +--- 57915036 +Bump +--- 57915076 +>>57910891 +>Horse archers got badly raped in the First Crusade +And then the Crusaders got raped by horse archers of the subsequent crusades and desperately fielded their own light cavalry by hiring local christians. +--- 57915169 +>>57915076 +I think the power of skirmishing is either deflated or inflated from time to time. +Either it's so great the other side can't do anything about it, or it's just pure cope. diff --git a/k/57902720.txt b/k/57902720.txt index e1cddcfae60dad5d3b8ee97074e41e2a662bd2e0..ecdc4076c8c88f72482c05833ba3bd1ca0138401 100644 --- a/k/57902720.txt +++ b/k/57902720.txt @@ -56,3 +56,130 @@ wtf I had it too, I was expecting to open the thread to a shitpost image. shit's >>57903249 >>57903324 Oh god I did it too. I'm fucking dying. +--- 57905115 +Based +--- 57905140 +Why does it have winglets if it isn't performing re-entry? +Why is all Chinese propaganda made by technically illiterate monkeys? +--- 57905161 +>>57905140 +How is this Chinese propaganda? +--- 57905198 +>>57902720 (OP) +>>The Chinese military could soon deploy an inter star system space dreadnought that travels at least three times the speed of light, according to a leaked U.S. military assessment, a development that would dramatically strengthen China’s ability to conduct interstellar operations. +--- 57905241 +>>57902720 (OP) +I'm pretty convinced these leaks are the us sussing out potential intel weakpoints by feeding dweebs bad info +--- 57905261 +>>57905241 +Or get the Chinese to kill or imprison their own scientists and engineers as they try to find the leak. +--- 57905307 +>>57902720 (OP) +*tips satellites* +>>57905241 +I know. Every time I see one of these completely organic chinkposts, I remind myself that they’re consistently stuck in this cycle of reverse engineering the USAs Cold War technology. +--- 57905348 +>>57903211 +This. Locksneed needs more funding and my stocks need to go up. +--- 57906087 +>>57905140 +You mean that leaked Pentagon files are Chinese propaganda? +--- 57906178 +>>57903212 +>>57903222 +>replicated D-21 + +D21 operates at 27km with ramjet +WZ8 operates at 50km+ with rocket engine. +>Muh copy +How dumb can /k/ get? +--- 57906256 +>>57906178 +D21 is real, WZ8 is a cardboard model, how dumb can chinks get? +--- 57906273 +>>57906256 +>Mutts, having no arguments, move the goal post as they always do. +--- 57906284 +>>57906273 +Why dont you prove him wrong by posting a real WZ8 and not pissing your pants and using a white mans meme you slant eyed han mongrel? +--- 57906382 +>>57906273 +1964. +--- 57906719 +>>57905261 +? US got the info from satellite imagery retard. not from spies +--- 57906734 +>>57903191 +Elaborate +--- 57906745 +>>57902720 (OP) +>>The Chinese military could +>>57902720 (OP) +>could +>>57902720 (OP) +>Chinese +>>57902720 (OP) +>could +Ching Ching Ching could cong ping pong king kong deng did dung done xi too pee poo. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Could. Implessive. Velly Implessive. Could big benis +--- 57906755 +>>57902720 (OP) +so a MIG-31 +--- 57907317 +>>57906745 +It was already revelaed back in 2019's parade. The Pentagon intel leak only confirmed It's capabilities +--- 57907351 +>>57907317 +Ah shit, 1960s tech? I'm quakening in my booterinos. +--- 57908697 +>>57902720 (OP) +>changs finally reached american aerospace technology levels from 60 years ago +burgerbros this is too funny +--- 57909023 +>>57908697 +>>57907351 +Yet you still can't make hypersonic glide missiles. BAKA! +--- 57909067 +>>57906273 +Nonexistence seems like a pretty hard goalpost when you're discussing the capabilities of a weapon. +--- 57909080 +>>57909023 +We have them. Ours actually work, that's the difference. China has a Pershing II knockoff. +--- 57909147 +>>57909080 +>Pershing II knockoff +Absolute retard. Pershing II doesn't even glide +--- 57909225 +>>57909023 +The US chooses not to develop HGVs because there's no need to. MIRVs can already saturate and penetrate missile defenses so that money can be better spent on developing airbreathing hypersonic cruise missiles, which exactly what they're doing. +--- 57910235 +>>57909225 +So you mean you guys are willing to see those monsters destroy your aircraft carrier without resistance? +--- 57910572 +>>57902720 (OP) +you got anymore of them china related leaks? +or is there a decent source? I only have the ukrainian ones. (and the one about the mossad instigating protests in israel lmao) +--- 57910600 +>>57907317 +only to play devils advocate here, the pentagon is basically guessing just like we are, right? probably in some threat assessment formula where " multiply chinese wikipedia article numbers by 1.25 and divide by 1.17" or some crap like that. +--- 57910717 +>>57902720 (OP) +So they finally got around to reverse engineering that D-21? + +Cool, keep me posted OP. +--- 57910743 +>>57906719 +That's what they want you to believe. +>He hasn't heard of parallel construction +--- 57910756 +>>57902720 (OP) +You’ve 60s technology now! Nice job, last China thread I was in they were bragging about being able to refuel a carrier at sea, something America has been able to do since 1939 +--- 57910782 +>>57909147 +>maneuvering in flight without propulsion +It quite literally glides. +--- 57912387 +>>57909023 +we had dudes flying mach 2.5 in 1953 I am sure if they wanted to build it they could. they literally have grey aliens locked up in storage, building a missile that can do over mach 5 is childs play for the spooks +--- 57914678 +>>57906178 +The point was that's not such an achievement if someone else managed something similar 60 years ago. diff --git a/k/57902873.txt b/k/57902873.txt index c0665da3fea06d53ff78d0e0b4af303c2e3e0ff9..c88f56b8aba6d1598cb3bea25d23d6a8443f4be8 100644 --- a/k/57902873.txt +++ b/k/57902873.txt @@ -58,3 +58,165 @@ Zulu had guns you clown. --- 57903598 >>57903248 Heavy cavalry and longbows weren't omnipresent throughout the middle ages. +--- 57904008 +>The fault was not mine sir, Colonel Durnford must answer! +--- 57904256 +>>57903344 +OP's question is dumb for many reasons, but I thought they got almost all of their guns from looting after Isandlwana. What did they have prior? +--- 57904305 +>>57904256 +They had a tradition of flintlock hunting for a while when compared to their neighbors. I wonder how many British deaths were actually from firearms. +--- 57904339 +>>57903235 +>nailed shut the ammo boxes because the darkies kept stealing ammo +The more things change +--- 57904341 +>>57903279 +>hehe guys they'd lose if all of the following happened +Cope +--- 57904400 +>>57904341 +>any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana. +>but only if they weren't facing the conditions experienced at Isandlwana +Not even him, but wut? +--- 57904776 +>french/italian/belgian/german troops lose in africa against jezzail wielding guerrilla cavalry +>lmao they lost against spearchuckers +>bongs lose against literal ooga booga cavemen +>YOU DON'T COMPREHEND THE FULL PICTURE! +this is why everyone hates you, cause you're all arrogant pricks +--- 57905016 +>>57903024 +>british empire +ftfy +--- 57905060 +>>57902873 (OP) +>Literally any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana. +Okay now tell me the last time a European army didnt get it's ass kicked +--- 57905069 +>>57904776 +>everyone hates you +Some shit eating euros on 4chan isn't everyone +--- 57905113 +were the brits really making people wait in a long ass line with certificates in triplicate to get ammo? lel +--- 57905119 +>>57902873 (OP) +The Spanish did +--- 57905174 +>>57902873 (OP) +>Literally any medieval European army stomps Isandlwana. +Most European countries haven't won a war since the 18th century... It's not that they couldn't per say defeat Africans in a war +It's that they wouldn't get the opportunity because they had already been outdone by better men +--- 57905210 +>>57903235 +>quartermaster: oi ave you got an ammo loicense yer cheeky wanka +--- 57905275 +>>57905016 +>>british empire +>ftfy +Wrong, Britain. + +"By 1850, at the apogee of its power, Britain had 1.8% of world population. The area of the +British Isles is only about 0.16% of the world land mass. Yet Britain then produced two-thirds +of world output of coal and one half of world production of cotton textiles and iron" + +https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/ecn110b/readings/ecn110b-chapter2-2005.pdf +--- 57905286 +>>57904776 +>Bongs also controlled 25% of the planet +That's why everyone hates us. Euro faggots just sucked at empire shit. Sorry your ancestors are faggots +--- 57905358 +>>57905275 +>Thus by 1850 the Manchester area was producing about 40% of the world +cotton textile production +based as fuck +--- 57905686 +>>57905069 +>>57905286 +Note how they don't even address their embarassing performance against fucking zulus of all +--- 57905916 +>>57903248 +Do nogs have heavy cavalry? +Do they have Longbowman/crossbowmen? +yes +--- 57906132 +>>57905174 +>per say +--- 57906146 +>>57902873 (OP) +But they didn't +--- 57906155 +>>57906132 +Lmao +--- 57906180 +>>57905916 +they did not. +--- 57906209 +>>57903261 +That's not actually true. At one point they had several large kingdoms that were part of the Islamic world. +--- 57906237 +>>57906209 +The Islamic golden age was built on the back of them invading christian lands and plundering the poor innocent Christians and enslaving Christians the first crusade ended it, the only reason they had wheels is because they stole the technology. +--- 57906314 +>>57906180 +yes +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R45jfwhDzp4 [Embed] +--- 57906336 +>>57906314 +lol, those weren't used by the zulus. the zulus were literal spear chuckers. +--- 57906357 +>>57906314 +he literally says in the video that the crossbow wasnt used as a weapon of war, it's a device that just yeets a small poisoned stick a short distane away. It didnt have the range or penetrative power of a european medieval crossbow. +--- 57906413 +>>57906357 +That's one type of many.All muslim africans had berber or arab style crossbow through trading with them +--- 57906464 +>>57906413 +>All muslim africans +so not the ones we are talking about then. +--- 57906576 +>>57902873 (OP) +Because equipping red coats with medieval style armor is hard to justify from a procurement perspective. It doesn't help against Britain's modern enemies who were armed with advanced rapid fire rifles. And it only helpful against primitive spear chucking adversaries if your troops are actually getting stabbed a lot...which outside of Isandlewana, they weren't. + +Armoring your guys up only makes sense if you're expecting an Isandlewana. But if you're expecting an Isandlewana, maybe it'd be more productive to summarily execute any of your invred officers who can't figure out how to circle the wagons. +--- 57909333 +>>57902873 (OP) +It probably just came up too rarely for them to bother with producing, distributing, carrying, and maintaining thousands of pieces of body armour to lessen casualties in battles they were winning 99% of anyway. +--- 57909352 +>>57905358 +It's crazy how much such little cities were responsible for. Like Swansea (a tiny city rarely remembered even in the UK) was responsible for like 70% of the worlds copper production. +--- 57910874 +>>57906357 +Don’t discount poison. In a book I read on African warfare, a slave raid expedition carried out by English pirates was thoroughly beaten by poison arrows and some African throwing hammers. I don’t recall exactly if crossbows were used but I know they were mentioned. Specifically, that the Yoruba had an indigenous crossbow but no more effective than the copies made when Arabs and Euros came. +--- 57910942 +>>57905119 +>>57903321 +I'm coming at this from a very Conquistador, Conquest of the Americas lense since Mesoamerican history and archeology is what i'm into, but most conquistadors didn't have full suits of plate armor even necessarily steel breastplates and helmets either, a lot of them had to make do with Gambeson or just heavy cloth garments since Conquistadors paid for their own gear. + +So, say, the very best outfitted Conquistadors were signficantly more armored then say the best Aztec soldier, and the worst outfitted Conquistador would have worn more then Aztec porters or junior soldier, but in the middle or when not comparing people of equal status on both sides, many would have been comparably armored, since the Aztec also used gambeson, thick cloth warsuits, etc, albiet for their higher status soldiers. Some even had metal mail, though this was likely as much ceremonial then it was functional. + +Of course, Gambeson was still armor, and thick cloth without necessarily being gambeson could offer some protection too, but I guess my point is where does one draw the line exactly? Would the coats in >>57902873 (OP) not have arguably offered some protection as well? +--- 57912048 +>>57903024 +Yes. +--- 57915035 +>>57903279 +lol +--- 57915046 +>>57904256 +lots of surplus smoothbore flintlock muskets, often poor quality or worn out. +--- 57915052 +>>57902873 (OP) +Damn. The chick at 5th from left. She bout to get her uterus absolutely whooped to the dirt by choclate dongs +--- 57915056 +If you look at the accounts of the Aztec vs the Spaniards, a simple torso armor would greatly improve survivability despite the overwhelming numerical superiority. +--- 57915065 +>>57906237 +>Implying +Iran was a major backer of it, known by its contemporaries under the moniker of Persia. +--- 57915083 +>>57902928 +And it’s also hot. +--- 57915107 +>>57906237 +Nigger what ended the Islamic golden ages was infighting between various nobles, same shit that collapsed Rome and China and Alexander’s empire. The Crusades happened at a very fortunate time for them as the Seljuk Turks were warring with what was left of the Fatimids and the holy land was essentially a free for all at the time. Egypt wasn’t willing to get involved too much at the time, this would later change. I swear you niggers don’t have even a baseline knowledge of this shit beyond memes and maybe a YouTube video by CrusaderBro1488. Read some actual fucking scholarly material for fucking once. You fucking brain dead niggers make /his/ unusable and you should be euthanized. diff --git a/k/57902945.txt b/k/57902945.txt index ff1398c415854eecb9e16609e8691a434daa5577..9d838161e30f6b6c18861814a19e9da5d57bccca 100644 --- a/k/57902945.txt +++ b/k/57902945.txt @@ -32,3 +32,225 @@ Here's that whole rifle in the display. Luv me m76 --- 57903551 Good morning to all 54R chads +--- 57903905 +>>57903073 +Wunderbar. Looking forward to reading about it . +--- 57903916 +>>57903182 +Thank you anon +--- 57904040 +>>57903015 +Nice. Anyone used the B&T handguard? Kinda interested in doing an Estonian clone +--- 57904059 +>>57903916 +yw anon. Last one, wish I knew the years these were each made. Would be nice to nail down the changes for the BG rifles. +--- 57904254 +>>57904059 +For instance the lower one seems to be the newer iteration based on the palmswell and the relief in the stock, and it was from '74. But I've seen prototype plum furniture for '74s that had the same ribbed palmswell as the top. +--- 57904268 +>>57903927 +--- 57904270 +>>57904254 +>But I've seen prototype plum furniture for '74s that had the same ribbed palmswell as the top. +For that reference +--- 57904317 +>>57903015 +I want to buy ARM parts kit, but damn those JRA galils seem like a reasonable buy. No chance I buy a parts kit, frame, barrel, and hire gun smith for under 1k +--- 57904537 +>>57904313 +--- 57905151 +>>57904254 +>>57904059 +That's neat. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that different small teams were working within the larger development group to prototype these features in parallel. +--- 57905258 +>>57903551 +What the Hell is That.... +What the Fuck is That!! +Theres a Fucking Rust Spot On Your Weapon!!! +Put Your Throat In My Hand! +I Said... Put Your Fucking Throat... In My Hand!!! +--- 57905963 +>>57902945 (OP) +/aka/? +--- 57906121 +>>57905258 +It's a bit of oil kek +--- 57907482 +>>57907397 +Did you bend that charging handle? +--- 57907492 +>>57907482 +bait +--- 57907721 +>>57907538 +Lovely, just lovely +--- 57907946 +>>57907538 +>>57907721 +Krinkbros.... +Sending off my stamps tomorrow, gonna get into contact with my builder soon. Beryl pistol grip finally coming in this week. All my projects are finally coming to a close, all that will remain is my saiga conversion, which will also be the biggest pain in the ass. After that, maybe a milled M72, and then AKs will finally take a backseat when it comes to gun stuff. It's been a fun couple years. +--- 57908059 +>>57907721 +Thanks. M92s are a riot to shoot. +>>57907946 +Glad to hear your projects are wrapping up. I thought I was done too when I got my form 1 and had the barrel chopped on my 104ur but a new project is already underway. It will be my first Russian rifle but it’s a lot more unusual than an AK. +--- 57908158 +>>57908059 +>a lot more unusual than an AK +? Do tell +I'm gonna try and get all Russian components for my saiga, definitely gonna take a while, but I'm cool with it, want her to come out right. +--- 57908293 +>>57908158 +You’re going about it the right way. As rare as the parts are I see them pop up quite often on the files. It’s an Izmash Biathlon 7-4 rifle. I want to get more into biathlon after dabbling in it a bit because it combines two of my favorite activities, shooting and XC skiing. +--- 57908379 +>>57903551 +Morning +--- 57908622 +Anybody have a WBP Mini Jack they’d want to trade for an unconverted saiga 308? It’s posted on akfiles and tacswap +--- 57908771 +>>57904317 +Not worth it anon trust me. The ATI and JRA receivers are trash. Occasionally ARM kits still pop up on the files for 400 +--- 57908775 +>>57904317 +Might not be idea if it comes with a warranty +--- 57909004 +>>57908771 +An ARM kit sold on the files yesterday for $350. It was in good shape to. +--- 57909442 +>>57906121 +What The Fucking Hell Did You Say To Me Puke! +>It's a bit of oil kek +You Say... 'It's a bit of oil kek' SIR! +Now Get On Your Face And Give Me 200 Lard Ass! + +Then Clean That Rust Off Your Weapon ... +Then Scrub The Head! +Your Rifle And The Head Better Be So Clean That The Virgin Mary Herself Would Be Proud To Hold That Rifle While Taking A Shit In My Latrine. +--- 57909468 +>>57908731 +enjoy trash accuracy and potential keyholing +--- 57909668 +Where should I start looking for an SBR AK? I see a lot of Arsenals +--- 57909713 +>>57909442 +I don't think I will, sir. +Accusing me of having even a single spot of rust on any of my guns warrants death. +--- 57910417 +>>57909713 +>>57909442 +Lololol +--- 57911328 +>>57903073 +anon says squatter's rights! +--- 57911441 +>>57903551 +The PSL might be way over priced, but at least the finish is terrible and it’s super over gassed +--- 57911494 +>>57909668 +Who buys an sbr? Buy a pistol and do it yourself fed boy +--- 57911596 +Beryl 5.56 or 7.62, which one guys? +--- 57911637 +>>57911596 +5.56, not even debatable. +--- 57911654 +>>57911596 +>>57911637 +sorry wrong pic +--- 57911725 +>>57911494 +I guess I could buy a metal engraving kit or take it somewhere, but I don't want to "manufacture" one if I don't have to +--- 57912298 +>>57911725 +Form 1s take 30-90 days on average to clear. Form 4s are at 280 and rising. Just so you know. +--- 57912350 +>>57911596 +literally why get 7.62 +--- 57912384 +>>57902945 (OP) +She done, can't wait to paint it and get it to the range. +--- 57912456 +>>57912384 +Finally! Congrats, anon. +--- 57912475 +>>57912384 +Which one are you? +--- 57912498 +>>57912456 +Thanks, my builder did a great job with some of the problems the kit started with! +>>57912475 +? +--- 57912513 +Autist anon with the books, did you ever find anything out about factory 56 in China? +--- 57912514 +Stupid question - do you guys have a preference for how you attach your sling to front of your rifle? I'm thinking of HK style something like Blue Force Gear for disconnecting purposes. Maybe figure out a QD in the future. +--- 57912531 +>>57912514 +Don't use an HK clip, they easily unclip themselves. +--- 57912566 +>>57912513 +It's made by Norinco, they used 100 different factory markings on their guns so foreign nations would think their manufacturing capability was far greater than it actually was. Same as with military unit numbers, it misleads the enemy. +>>57912531 +I've never had a mash hook unclip itself, the rear hk sling hooks are bad though. +--- 57912604 +>>57903015 +How’s yours shoot? Was your front sight globe bent to shit? I haven’t shot mine yet. Hopefully will this weekend. +--- 57912620 +I think I fucked up by getting the ALG trigger for my first AK that's coming in soon. Yeah it's a great trigger, but I'm worried that it's gonna look ugly as hell in a rifle that I'm putting together solely for looks. + +>>57903073 +I aspire for my underfolder to look as nice as yours +--- 57912776 +>>57912531 +What do you think is a good way to make it QD? +--- 57912862 +>>57912498 +>? +Which fucked 74 build was your's and what are the details of your unfucked 74 build. +--- 57913019 +>>57912862 +Alrighty: +>matching ((10)) kit built on an Ohio Ordinance Works receiver that are known to be poorly heat treated +>front trunnion holes egged, rivets improperly installed. Rivets were welded to trunnion as well +>barrel and trunnion wiggled in the receiver +>bolt had locking lugs grinded down (!!). Replaced with NOS Bulgarian bolt + +I had my builder tear it down and rebuild it on a Childers receiver and swap out the fixed stock trunnion for an AK-Builder folding trunnion and triangle stock. +--- 57913046 +>>57912776 +If you want a QD sling might as well just get a handguard with a QD slot and use that. Otherwise I'd just stick with traditional slings if you're sticking with wood. +--- 57913118 +Opinion on the ATI high capacity mags? +I know they have been around for a while with the AR ones. +--- 57913688 +bump +--- 57913909 +>>57912604 +Havent shoot it yet, like you hopefully this weekend. Globe was indeed bent to shit which is very very common, I haven't even seen a straight one. Always bent the right, I reckon its because the sight screws are offset in relation to each other +--- 57914065 +Got the call today that she was ready to come home +--- 57914362 +>>57914065 +ah now thats pretty +--- 57914516 +>>57914065 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2eBVCfD6TM [Embed] + +yours is better +--- 57914519 +>>57912620 +thanks bro! you're ak will look great, go for what feels best to you. +--- 57914542 +>>57912620 +I took my ALG out for that reason +--- 57914575 +>>57914362 +Where do you think the best place to source a proper tracksuit would be? +--- 57914687 +>>57914575 +Just get an adidas track suit +--- 57914946 +>>57912620 +I dont think it hurts the looks much but to each his own +--- 57915144 +>>57902945 (OP) diff --git a/k/57903345.txt b/k/57903345.txt index a69665a81123a9dcae29a452d3591b43535daec1..779222bf3e42525460b8b1e2cc2e2d0d36cbf079 100644 --- a/k/57903345.txt +++ b/k/57903345.txt @@ -11,15 +11,6 @@ but faster, more energetic, rounds can cause tissue to expand past what they can though this is the case for rifle rounds rather than pistol rounds >9mm and .357 equally lethal as most hunters will tell you, theres penetration into flesh can make the difference in how long you need to chase an animal around before it dies ---- 57903377 ->>57903345 (OP) -Fackler's view on the temporary stretch cavity's relevance in wounding is based on his extensive experience as a military surgeon and ballistic researcher. He believes that the temporary stretch cavity has little significance in determining the severity of a gunshot wound because it is a transient phenomenon that does not cause permanent tissue damage. - -Fackler's paradigm is based on the concept of permanent cavitation, which refers to the hole or channel created by the bullet as it passes through the tissue. Permanent cavitation is what causes the majority of the damage in a gunshot wound, as it disrupts vital organs and tissues, and can cause massive bleeding. Fackler argues that the temporary stretch cavity does not cause significant damage to tissues because it does not disrupt the structural integrity of the tissue or cause any permanent damage. - -While it is true that the temporary stretch cavity can cause some temporary disruption to tissue function, Fackler argues that it is not significant enough to affect the lethality of a gunshot wound. The severity of a gunshot wound is determined by the extent of permanent cavitation and the resulting tissue damage, not by the temporary stretch cavity. - -Regarding your example, Fackler would not say that a 9mm and .357 mag have the same lethality based on their ability to create a temporary stretch cavity. Instead, he would look at the permanent cavitation created by each bullet and the resulting tissue damage to determine their relative lethality. --- 57903431 >>57903345 (OP) As anon already said, it depends entirely on the energy in the round itself. At some point the ability of your tissues to survive that expansion is put into question and then it starts mattering. @@ -48,3 +39,845 @@ Are you sure about that? What evidence is that based on? --- 57903624 >>57903611 It was revealed to me in a dream. +--- 57903674 +>>57903431 +>As anon already said, it depends entirely on the energy in the round itself +Within the average range of masses bullets come in, if it's not going 2400 fps or faster that extra energy foot pounds isn't going to translate into bigger permanent wounds. Any bullet going less than that is just going to punch a hole the size of it's diameter in you. it is over that speed that flesh starts tearing and temporary wound cavities start becoming permanent. + +9mm, .45, 10mm, .357 sig, etc etc, penetrating the same given distance, are all going to have negligible differences in terminal performance. Leaving the real min/max'ing factor to chase being how many holes you put in someone. + +For the non min/max'er, chose the one you like, find a load that will expand well and penetrate 12 inches of ballistics gel, and you're 90% as good as anything else. +--- 57903703 +>>57903345 (OP) +>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example. +Provided they both penetrated as far into the body and traveled along the same paths, yes. +It's the truth, anything else is Fudd Lore. +It astounds me that this has been known since the 70's but the public consciousness of the gun enthusiasts world has taken this long to accept it. +--- 57903777 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57903674 +The relative difference in .380's and .45's diameter should at least cause a statistically significant increase in effectiveness right? +That's a 40.2% increase in the area of the wound. +--- 57903813 +>>57903345 (OP) +Okay, time to speak as someone who researched some of this shit. + +One should be careful to avoid confusing the preliminary, overreaching hypotheses created during the infancy of wound ballistics research with the ultimate determinations. Fackler actually revised his position after an experiment where he fired a small caliber brass bullet -backwards- at high velocity into a pig so it impacted flat base first. He also more or less refers to temporary cavitation damage in his comments about the THV bullets (though remained dismissive of the THV design in particular due to overall inferior performance). + +Temporary stretch cavity CAN cause permanent damage - situation depending. The magnitude of temporary cavitation appears to be primarily dependent on a bullet’s instantaneous velocity, frontal area, and form factor (I’d call this the tissue drag coefficient although I don’t know if that would be strictly accurate). The temporary cavity must continue to overcome the resilience of the affected tissue as it radiates away from the main track in order to continue causing damage. + +Some tissues are more flexible than others. Muscle, lung, and large blood vessels are much more resistant to stretch than such organs like the liver, kidneys, brain and pancreas. Organs that are full of fluid (e.g. filled heart) can be much more vulnerable even if they would resist TSC well when empty. Small masses of tissue don’t resist TSC as well, there’s not as much flesh to contain the stretching and an equivalent force will move a smaller mass more. + +*Effective* fragmentation reduces the resiliency of tissue considerably. Think about it like poking holes in a rubber band or cutting holes out of a sheet of paper. The same TSC can do far more damage in conjunction with good fragmentation. +--- 57903822 +>>57903345 (OP) +>tissue suddenly and instantaneously compressed +No biggie +--- 57903861 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57903813 +Cont. + +What does that mean in practice? 12 gauge shotgun slugs absolutely do cause heavy TSC damage, this is not hard to figure out. Large frontal area, adequate form factor, and good maintenance of velocity cause broad wounding even in the absence of high impact velocity and fragmentation. + +Rifle rounds that expand generally cause a degree of temporary cavitation in flexible tissues, in fact it’s of prime importance as their crush cavities tend to not be all that big compared to handgun JHPs, but rifle rounds that only yaw have much more limited effects. In the case of intermediate calibers I would expect little to no TSC damage from yaw-only projectiles. Rifle rounds that fragment well usually cause very extensive TSC damage. Practically all rifle rounds that don’t just travel point forwards (i.e. must at least yaw) can cause very broad wounding in inflexible organs. + +Service caliber handgun rounds generally do not cause noticeable TSC damage in flexible tissues unless they sacrifice in areas of their design that make them effective crush wounders. They can still cause some stretch damage to inflexible organs. + +.357 Magnum is more of an edge case out of a revolver, it can reach into the area where it causes some noticeable TSC damage but this requires a pissin hawt loading (Dr. Roberts, a colleague of Fackler’s, claims ~1600 FPS+) assuming good expansion and maintenance of velocity. Obviously handgun cartridges significantly more powerful than .357, like .44 Magnum and .454 Casull, can cause plenty of TSC damage with good bullet design. +--- 57903872 +>>57903813 +>Okay, time to speak as someone who researched some of this shit. +Can you cite some of his research? Preferably stuff that's not behind a pay wall. +I'd be interested to get some actual data on this by someone who can back up his conclusions rather than just repeating what they've heard on /k/ as I presume >>57903703 and >>57903674 are (if you guys are not then feel free to cite some sources too). +--- 57903890 +>>57903813 +>Some tissues are more flexible than others. Muscle, lung, and large blood vessels are much more resistant to stretch than such organs like the liver, kidneys, brain and pancreas. +Just goes back to shot placement being what matters in terms of handgun ammunition. If you perforate someone's heart or brains, you're already causing lethal damage regardless of temporary stretching of the tissue. +--- 57904038 +>>57903872 +Sure, although I don't keep my sources and images saved on my PC. +THV bullet comments are unfortunately behind a paywall but I was able to download it for free with a free trial (now expired). +https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01255849 + +Basically what happened is that the bullets hit the test pig and created holes larger than themselves but lost velocity so quickly that by the time they reached the vital organs the wound cavity had shrunk to being little if any larger than the projectile. Overall projectile penetration capabilities seemed poor. + +Fackler in a nutshell comments that this isn't new but also isn't really enough to merit serious consideration. + +I believe this is the base-forward bullet pig study: +https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3339702/ + +From what I recall, Fackler says yes it turns out SCHV can produce temporary cavitation damage with an appropriate shape, even without fragmentation. However he also states this isn't relevant for a pointed projectile. + +Lack of temporary cavitation damage with a yawing intermediate caliber round can be seen here: +https://web.archive.org/web/20090219104944/http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Fackler_Articles/ak74_wounding_potential.pdf + +Mercifully this is not paywalled. + +Here are some of Fackler's comments on the wound profiles of various military rifle FMJs - searching up "Military Assault Rifle Wound Profiles" will give you photos of some of the corresponding wound profiles. + +https://uthr.org/SpecialReports/spreport30%20Addendum.htm + +Keep in mind again that knowledge of wound ballistics at the time of the creation of this document was not as complete as it is now - M855 for example seems to be less consistent than M193. + +Explanations of TSC factors are found, I believe, in the IWBA articles and MacPherson's Bullet Penetration, I have access to both but don't feel like poring through them right now, you can pretty much just look up the equation for drag resistance for a quick summary of it. + +TBC +--- 57904151 +>>57903872 +>>57904038 +Cont. + +I believe this is where I found Dr. Roberts' statements on the approximate TSC threshold for .357 Magnum, though it might have come from another thread that I happened upon where he said something to similar effect: +https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?34904-Temporary-Cavitation-Wounding-Rifle-vs-Pistol&p=841160&viewfull=1#post841160 + +Picrel is the first google image I found for "12 gauge slug wound" (in this case 2 of them). Wound channels end up being much wider than the projectiles themselves. + +Here's an example of wounding from a monolithic copper .223 hollowpoint. There was some notable bone fragmentation in the first which may increase wounding, but the bullet itself does not usually fragment. + +https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Wound+Database/.224+cal+-+Barnes+TSX.html + +Funnily enough I was just using this earlier as a demonstration of how minimal rifle wounding can be, it really doesn't look all that much better than a top tier .45 JHP to me. That being said, these holes are still considerably larger than the bullet itself at their widest, the TSC would be the obvious explanation. + +You can find other photos and anecdotes of TSX and bonded soft point performance too. I remember a picture of RA556B wounding through a deer ribcage, I think the entrance was about ~1.5-2" at its widest, so much wider than the bullet even if slightly modest as a whole. By the time it was exiting the wound had shrunk down to expanded bullet sized. Ribcage entrances are not necessarily indicative of lung wounding but can provide a clue. Unfortunately I cannot find this photo again but I do have several other accounts of modest but wider-than-bullet wounding from 64 gr BSB (bullet used in RA556 loading). + +TBC +--- 57904182 +>>57903674 +that's really fuckin weird because 400 grain projectiles fired going like 1400 fps from a 45/70 causes some truly gruesome wounding that goes far beyond what merely creating a 45 caliber hole would do +--- 57904281 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57904151 +Cont. + +Here is 77 gr TMK wounding at less than 100 yards from a 16" barrel. Similar or slower impact speed, same caliber, but the different qualities of the bullet allow it to inflict far more damage than the 55 gr TSX I posted earlier. This example is a bit extreme but 4" wide wounding at 16" barrel impact velocities are pretty much the norm. + +Here is an example of TSC wounding from a ~.44 Magnum level hardcast bullet, actually a .45 Colt here. + +https://www.shootersforum.com/attachments/45coltlungs-jpg.10431/ + +The permanent wound channel in fact seems pretty modest, be careful to make the distinction between the lung bruising and the actual tissue destruction, also a bullet that hits at an angle can make the wound look larger in one dimension when looking at the exit on the surface of the organ. This is a bit hard to explain in words but should be pretty self evident if you take a moment to visualize it. Nevertheless the holes made are still larger than the non-expanding bullets. + +Why? In this case the impact velocity is relatively low (~1300 FPS) and the frontal area is not *that* great, however the bullet has an extremely good form factor (flat point is about as good as it gets) so it can still do something. + +Hopefully this has been a good demonstration of some levels (yawing small rifle, expanding small rifle, expanding + fragmenting small rifle, shotgun slug, magnum class handgun hardcast) of TSC wounding. I can find even more pictures if you are interested, I just don't want to run halfway across the internet and back right now since as I mentioned I don't keep most of these photos saved and pretty much just have to work off of memory alone. +--- 57904326 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57904182 +To continue on, let me address some other comments, starting here. Yes, clearly if 300 gr non-expanding hardcasts from a .45 Colt at 1400 FPS can cause temporary cavitation damage to elastic organs, than 400 gr bullets at 1400 FPS from a .45-70 can also produce larger-than-projectile wounding. Your perception is not inaccurate. + +>>57903435 +I believe I am familiar with the IWBA article you are speaking of, a police officer posed this question about immediate incapacitations. + +Yes a sufficiently strong temporary cavity can disable nerves, up to and including the spinal cord. I suspect (but have yet to prove) that a nonlethal shot to the bones of the face might also induce concussion through bone conduction, rather akin to knocking someone out with a punch. However I do not consider incapacitation through temporary nerve concussion to be remotely reliable in a general manner of speaking, I'm sure there are plenty of documented cases and anecdotes that bear this out. Note also that JHPs and JSPs produce the widest temporary cavity at shallower depths and by the time the bullet has penetrated deeply the TSC will have tapered down considerably. + +What Fackler really should have been questioning instead though was his sacred rule that the brain still has enough blood in it to allow for 10-15 seconds of effective action after the heart stops delivering any oxygen. Honestly I don't know exactly how this supposition was devised, the earliest source that I can track it back to was some ballistics workshop where no actual evidence or testing results were presented; there was one example given as support where a man's heart was destroyed by a shotgun and he still ran 60-65 feet, but the big fucking issue here is that it does not take 10-15 seconds to run 60-65 feet (especially when considering the distance through simple momentum he might have traveled after falling forward forward at the end of his run). + +TBC. +--- 57904366 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57903435 +Cont. + +So I don't know how they actually reached this "10-15 sec" conclusion, there is seemingly no experimental or practical evidence to support it and quite a lot against it really. Honestly what I think they may have done, and this might sound insultingly simple, is that they simply calculated how much blood is in the brain at one time, figured out the amount of oxygen contained in that volume of blood, and divided that by the brain's oxygen consumption per second. Do that and you get about ~13 seconds. + +Except there are several really big problems with this. First only about a third of that blood is actually in the capillaries of the brain where it can be immediately used, about a third is in the veins (it's gone) and about a third is in the arteries where maybe some of it could theoretically flow into the capillaries with residual flow, but probably usually doesn't. + +Also, only about 60% of the oxygen in blood can actually be effectively used as I recall, once it drops to about 40% saturation it stops being transferred effectively. Furthermore the blood already in the capillaries is going to be at varying stages of oxygen depletion. + +Additionally consciousness =/= effective action, stuff like vision, coordination, and general awareness appears to start going downhill really fast as soon as oxygen perfusion of the brain decreases. On that note, even if the blood still has usable oxygen left in it, I would expect the transfer rate to decrease as the oxygen is increasingly used up. + +Now what I just said above is maybe for relevant for incapacitation in regards to humans, I suspect deer and most quadrupeds are somewhat more resistant to hypovolemic shock due to their smaller brains and more horizontal body structure (blood column doesn't necessarily have to fight against gravity as much), on the flip side perhaps more vulnerable to temporary CNS shock as previously mentioned. +--- 57904420 +>>57903345 (OP) +Unless your temporary cavitation is massive or inside something quite weak and sensitive like the brain( but at that point you have other problems) it shouldnt do much but rupture capilaryes. +--- 57904434 +>>57903345 (OP) +temporary cavity in ballistics gel is irrelevant +eviscerated and hemorrhaged external tissue that extends from the initial bullet cavity doesnt happen until you get to rifle velocity above 2000fps, old english african big game hunters had a standardized velocity limit that whatever cartridge you use, from 9.6 to .375 or 505, the heaviest bullet you use has to have a muzzle velocity of at least 2300 fps in order to maintain its wound abilities within 100 yards +--- 57904446 +>>57903345 (OP) +>>57903777 +Cont. + +Statistically significant would imply that someone has actually conducted a study and performed multivariate analysis, then isolated the effectiveness coefficient of caliber alone and adjusted for standard error and uncertainty, etc. + +Now has this been done? Eh kind of, I'm aware of one study that evaluated lethality vs caliber (Ellifritz does not count it's not a proper study), unfortunately it's pretty bad. It does find that .45 ACP was more lethal than 9mm and .380 but the individual coefficients of the calibers are not given, although one can probably infer that .45 ACP's coefficient was likely greater than the smaller calibers. That being said, the study also missed a lot of important variables like bullet design - there is often much more difference WITHIN a caliber than between calibers - and exact organ struck and was conducted by anti-gun retards, I would not consider it a fantastic piece of scientific literature. + +I should also point out that .380 bullets are in fact actually ~.355" wide so the .45 ACP starts out with a ~60% advantage in area. But what really matters is the frontal area after expansion, and here .380 accomplishes an average diameter (petal distance + valley distance /2) of about 0.45" out of standard pocket pistol barrel lengths with Hydra-Shok Deep, we could be generous and say 0.5" out of a longer barrel, while 230 gr HST +P expands to about 0.8" out of a 5" barrel. So that's ~2.5-3x the frontal area. + +Is that relevant? All logic to me would suggest that it is, is a .45 HST better than a .45 FMJ? Clearly, so it should also be better than a .380 JHP. + +Now with 9mm vs .45 it's more like 0.6" vs 0.8", so about 75% more area for the .45. Dr. Fackler thought this was significant, Dr. Roberts somewhat grudgingly admits that it's better but minimizes its importance, although maybe his past actions suggest a bit different. Personally I think yes but it's not enormous, they're more or less within the same league. +--- 57904469 +>>57904182 +past a certain point the mass and size/diameter causes massive tearing beyond just the cavity, old civil war era minie ball rifles, 45-70, 50-70, but thats from it just physically ripping and tearing muscle and bone, you dont get that meat jello wound effect until you get to modern smokeless rifle velocities +--- 57904476 +Temporary cavity only matters when either you hit an organ or tissue that can not stretch well (brain tissue, nerves, liver, etc.) or the stretching is so extensive, the tissue is basically ripped, at which point it is now a permanent wound anyways, +With handguns, name of the game has always been shot placement and penetration. Wounding is nearly irrelevant with adequate shot placement. +--- 57904533 +>>57904476 +Any tissue is succeptible to damage, if you hit it hard enough. +--- 57904577 +>>57903435 +>There was hypothesis that fragile organs like brain (including spinal cord) are actually vulnerable against temporal cavity. That explains instant animal drops whencl hit with powerful rounds. Spinal cord is caught into area of temporal cavity and this causes paralysis, animal drops and then bleeds out. +There's also another theory that states that high energy impact inside the body can cause oscillations inside the brain via blood vessels that cause concussion-like effects up to a knockout. The effectiveness of this overlaps with the temporary cavity formation but is not directly related to each other. This would explain cases where the animal was shot, especially at the torso away from the spine, drops immediately and then while you're walking up to it suddenly wakes up and dashes away even though you thought it was dead. +--- 57904672 +>>57904577 +I'll reiterate what I said from the last thread where I talked about this. Hydrostatic shock is not generally accepted nor even viewed as all that credible in most established wound ballistics circles, the founders of this theory have a habit of shilling it to every ignorant medical journal and wikipedia editor who will listen but it's been stated by other SMEs who've reviewed their work that the evidence for it is lacking. Personally I don't know that it is impossible but I am highly skeptical that it is all that relevant for any bullet where the local physical effects wouldn't be enough to induce incapacitation all on their own. + +The effect you describe can easily be attributed however to spinal cord stretching/concussion through temporary cavity, it is a well known and accepted phenomenon. + +>>57904469 +This is simply temporary cavity and I have not seen it explained any other way in academic circles. Big slow bullets make temporary cavities just like small fast bullets do, and if that temporary cavity is great enough, then it will destroy tissue. I will repeat that velocity is not the only factor affecting TSC magnitude, frontal area and shape also play big roles. Could velocity be particularly and independently more likely to cause peripheral bruising, maybe, I don't know because I don't really care. But wounds wider than the bullet in soft tissues are, again, caused by the tissue "splash" effect of temporary cavitation tearing and pulping stuff outside of what the bullet directly contacts. + +@OP, for reference, these are all my comments in one place: +>>57903813 +>>57903861 +>>57904038 +>>57904151 +>>57904281 +>>57904326 +>>57904366 +>>57904446 + +Frankly if you just read these and ignore most of the remainder of this thread I think you can get a passing knowledge of temporary cavitation effects. I may be being pretentious but I strongly suspect I have spent a good bit more time contemplating this subject than pretty much anyone else here. If I do say so myself. +--- 57904690 +>>57904672 +>pretentious +Saying your head is so far up your ass you can smell your own breath would be more accurate. Profoundly unpleasant. +--- 57904745 +>>57904690 +I guess you haven't spent much time on this board or you're just inclined to take particular offense here but you can call it what you like. I'll consider myself to have earned as much right at this point. +--- 57904755 +>>57903345 (OP) +>gel tests + +niggas aren't made of jello. +--- 57904765 +>>57903345 (OP) +>9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality + +This is 100% true. +--- 57904771 +>>57904745 +Whatever protects your disgusting, decrepit ego. +--- 57904850 +>>57904771 +Would you rather I call you a faggot or a tranny for the smallest thing like half the board does? My statements may have been blunt but I consider them to be neither untrue nor unnecessarily insulting. Considering the vast amount of bad or incomplete info that gets spread around and the general ignorance of the subject, I think it fair to emphasize my own efforts for someone who is looking to learn about the topic and, as he stated, doesn't want to just listen to common conceptions that get repeated ad nauseam. +--- 57904872 +>>57904038 +>>57904038 +Thanks mate, both for the sources and the summaries. +--- 57904891 +>>57904038 +>I don't keep my sources and images saved on my PC. +of course you don't/s +--- 57904899 +>>57904872 +No problem. Appreciate your interest and willingness to listen. +--- 57905032 +>>57904672 +I thought this was a meme too because 1. 5.56 military adoption history into vietnam is questionable and special forces bitched about its lack of stopping power. But tell that to gaige grosskreutz arm. thats a situation of 3 clean shoots that had the desired effect. 6.5 creedmoor has the desireable flight pattern of 5.56 and desireable terminal ballistic effects at farther range, since it obeys the older 6mm rule. + +At the end of the day the factors are so varied such as mandelbrot set, butterfly effect and chaos theory that some of it has to come down to luck or enshallah, such as gaige grosskreutz arm, that you have to start believing in a higher power or we live in a matrix. Thats the reasonable conclusion anyone that lives their life risking the biscuit on the daily has come to. +--- 57905096 +>>57904672 +>most established wound ballistics circles +If those "most established wound ballistics circles" are people like you then it's no wonder any discussions are forbidden and anything that disrupts the meaningless echo chamber is hounded out asap. +>The effect you describe can easily be attributed however to spinal cord stretching/concussion through temporary cavity, it is a well known and accepted phenomenon. +Except for those cases where the hit's not anywhere near the spinal chord, which happens quite often and there's no explanation in "most established wound ballistics circles" besides handwaving excuses like "it would never happen, because i said so". + +You're an obnoxious dilettante that pretends to be smart by fanatically spamming the most bland, stale opinion as some kind of all-encompassing, overwhelming truth. +--- 57905154 +>>57905032 +This is explained in my previous comments. Damage as seen to Grosskreutz's arm was the effect of temporary cavitation, in this case also acting in concert with bullet fragmentation on a smaller mass of tissue (the bicep muscle) which results in even more severe wounding. + +Fragmentation-assisted temporary cavitation damage is well known and repeatable (or about as repeatable and consistent as the bullet itself is, anyway). It was observed that M193 used in Afghanistan frequently inflicted more grievous wounding than the nonfragmenting 7.62 M80 ball that US forces used. Another article in an IWBA issue actually directly analyzes and compares fragmenting 5.56 FMJ vs nonfragmenting 7.62 FMJ wounds seen from a single unfortunate incident (Port Arthur massacre) and finds the 5.56 wounds to be more severe. In Kyle's case, it's likely that the 55 gr FMJ bullets used fragmented in all 3 targets and caused that kind of extensive wounding. + +Hydrostatic shock is a completely different theory, basically that the bullet's shock is transferred through blood vessels and ruptures organs far away that neither the bullet nor its immediate temporary cavity ever even touched. This is something that is much less proven. + +>6.5 creedmoor has the desireable flight pattern of 5.56 and desireable terminal ballistic effects at farther range +Yes, 6.5 Creedmoor designs can be made to expand (and perhaps fragment depending on the design) out to long ranges, which allows them to inflict substantial temporary cavitation damage out to quite some distance. That and they also maintain velocity pretty well. + +Absent any kind of fragmentation and/or expansion, TSC damage is drastically reduced in flexible tissues. At close range, yaw-only M80 bullets do seem to cause some TSC damage but they're markedly inefficient, I expect nondeforming 6.5 may be similar. That being said, it is certainly a large enough bullet that a yawing 6.5 round even a low velocity is not exactly good for one's health. +--- 57905168 +>>57905154 +>and ruptures organs far away +Why do you make an effort to lie when you try to discredit a subject you claim to be familiar with? +--- 57905182 +>>57905096 +>Except for those cases where the hit's not anywhere near the spinal chord, which happens quite often and there's no explanation in "most established wound ballistics circles" besides handwaving excuses like "it would never happen, because i said so". +Ok, how about this: +-Pain and psychological causes vasodilation in the brain causing blood to drain immediately +-Animal falls down because it hurts and doesn't want to do anything +-Circumstances and chance collude to make hypovolemic shock extremely fast, I have discussed that a bit more earlier. + +The rest of your comment is not worth addressing. +--- 57905187 +>>57905168 +Oh, do you really want to quibble over this? Rupture, cause only temporary concussion, varying degrees of permanent or transient trauma - the base process being described is still there. +--- 57905207 +>>57905182 +>Pain and psychological causes vasodilation in the brain causing blood to drain immediately +There's no proof of that, ever. You're claiming things that are much less supported than the notions of hydrostatic shock theories at this point. +>Animal falls down because it hurts and doesn't want to do anything +Doesn't happen either, animals don't work like that. Leave that cope to deflecting arguments about humans. +>Circumstances and chance collude +What a bunch of gibberish. + +You are a know-nothing idiot that does nothing but states basics as all-encompassing truth in your mindless conformism. You're a disgrace and don't deserve to be posting, let alone with the gall you project here. +--- 57905212 +>>57905187 +Yes i do, because you won't find a single source talking about hydrostatic shock that states that it "ruptures organs". Not a single one that isn't a strawman made up by a disgusting, slimy liar like yourself. +--- 57905253 +>>57905207 +>There's no proof of that, ever. You're claiming things that are much less supported than the notions of hydrostatic shock theories at this point. +Wrong. Dr. Fackler recounts a case where it happened to a human target upon a missed shot, and also a case where it happened to himself during a dental procedure. It's called fainting. +>Doesn't happen either, animals don't work like that. +I'm sure you have solid proof that this could never happen to a single animal ever? Since you seem to be on a similar intellectual level, perhaps you do have some unique insight. +>Circumstances and chance collude +>Every animal and situation is absolutely consistent and there could be no combination of factors at any point that make cerebral hypoxia uniquely quick +Ok, I'm sure you can model this every time too. + +>Yes i do, because you won't find a single source talking about hydrostatic shock that states that it "ruptures organs". +Do you want me to be even more specific and say it only ruptures blood vessels inside organs? If a bunch of capillaries in your brain burst then I consider that a rupture but I don't know, maybe you see things differently. I don't see it being relevant beyond your need to nitpick. + +If you'll continue to protest even that, I really don't know what to do with you. + +> Not a single one that isn't a strawman made up by a disgusting, slimy liar like yourself. +You are getting ridiculously triggered over this, this is some embarrassing seething. Take a break. +--- 57905283 +>>57905154 +*Correction: M193 used in Vietnam +--- 57905292 +>>57905253 +>Dr. Fackler recounts a case where it happened to a human target upon a missed shot +Animals aren't humans and fackler's gossip isn't truth. +>you have solid proof that this could never happen +Not how burden of proof works, faggot. +>Every animal and situation is absolutely consistent and there could be no combination of factors +It's a shamelss asspull that you have absolutely 0 proof about, that's what it is. That's why i'm calling you out. +>Do you want me to be even more specific and say it only ruptures blood vessels inside organs? +You're still making up the same lie, even if you've backtracked to a less extreme one. There's hardly any talk of rupture of anything at all in hydrostatic shock theories, yet you maintain that it's the basis of them all. Why are you such a dirty, slimy liar? Why do you choose to spread this libel so persistently? Answer this. +--- 57905326 +>>57905253 +How would you feel if i was spreading information that your beloved fackler's research states that bullets wound through lead poisoning as the primary factor of damage, that it's all he's ever talked about and how this is complete nonsense? I bet you'd get ridiculously triggered too, if someone was using such blatant libel as a way to discredit the research. + +If you believe this is acceptable then you're probably lacking the basic human qualities and values. +--- 57905332 +>>57905292 +>Animals aren't humans +Animals can't faint now? You sure about that buddy? + +>Not how burden of proof works, faggot. +You are alleging that animals do not display lethargy in response to pain? Is that your assertion? + +Ok, I see a dog that doesn't want to move around because it's in severe pain, do you think it's illogical that other animals might occasionally not want to move because of the pain and shock when shot? + +>It's a shamelss asspull that you have absolutely 0 proof about, that's what it is. +I explained a bit of human physiology earlier, I suppose you are presuming that it could never happen to an animal. + +>even if you've backtracked to a less extreme one. +I simply don't care to describe a theory that almost no prominent terminal ballistics SME takes seriously in the most exacting and graphic manner possible. As for blood vessels rupturing, try reading a wikipedia page sometime. +--- 57905345 +>>57905326 +The funny thing is that I actually criticized some of Fackler's assertions earlier, and in other comments noted how some of his earlier hypotheses were incorrect. + +But yes, you are getting ridiculously triggered. You're unusually venomous. + +As an aside, I suspect you also don't know as much about the "basics" that you claim I only repeat. +--- 57905429 +>>57905332 +>Animals can't faint now? +Shitty strawman. You cannot prove animals would faint because of psychological factors. +>You are alleging that animals do not display lethargy in response to pain? +Why are you weaseling around so much? Can't you state anything directly? There's no proof that animals would drop unconscious because of pain of being shot. It's just an excuse for you to handwave the truth of life as you shoehorn it into your childish theories. +>I explained a bit of human physiology earlier +Animals aren't humans. You can't weasel out of this. +>I simply don't care to describe a theory +You care enough to lie about the baseline statements of it quite blatantly. As if appeal to shitty authority would give you any credibility. You're ignorant, admit that and then proclaim your ignorance for all to see like you're proud of it, while at the same time still holding onto the straman you've created because you're too much of a bitch to argue with the actual theory in question. What a sad, sad human being you are. +> try reading a wikipedia page +Imagine quoting wikiepdia as a source. + +>>57905345 +Well, i have no patience for lying scum like you. Too bad. +--- 57905455 +>>57903345 (OP) +>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example. +You have to factor in the target you are shooting as well. Against a human, 9mm and .357 will perform the same. Against a bear you'd have an advantage with .357 even if 9mm can still kill the bear the .357 will have an edge. +--- 57905690 +Mr. Hydrostatic shock guy is not worth replying to any further, I will simply state this for posterity purposes so no one gets too confused. + +An opinion on hydrostatic shock from Dr. Roberts and Dr. Williams, two people with considerable experience in this department: +>DocGKR and I--as well as many other learned persons with experience in scientific research--have independently spent hours and hours looking up Courtney's citations to be sure we're not missing something important, and we have independently come to the conclusion that his work is junk science at best. + +https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?34407-Scientific-Evidence-for-quot-Hydrostatic-Shock-quot/page3 + +Lethargy and playing dead are known animal behaviors in response to pain and shock. There is no more proof that "hydrostatic shock" was the source of any random deer's inactivity any more than anything else - less, perhaps, since hydrostatic shock is not a well established phenomenon. + +Triggeree can lambast wikipedia all he likes, but the fact is that regardless of an editor's independent input, the citations are still there and you can independently observe that these 'sources' describe or claim physiological damage on the cellular level. Take, for example, Courtney and Courtney's "Links between traumatic brain injury and ballistic pressure +waves originating in the thoracic cavity and extremities" where they describe neural damage. + +Now what to make of them? Here is what a systematic review of such documents states on the subject - +>No conclusive evidence could be found for permanent pathological effects produced by the pressure wave or that any microscopic tissue changes due to the TTC (in the absence of visible macroscopic damage) led to permanent injury. + +https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257599993_Determining_the_wounding_effects_of_ballistic_projectiles_to_inform_future_injury_models_A_systematic_review + +- on top of the contributions of Roberts, Fackler, Williams, and others. +--- 57905798 +>>57905690 +Lol what a cowardly bitch you are. + +>these 'sources' describe or claim physiological damage on the cellular level +More backtracking as "rupturing organs" now turns into "damage on cellular level". + +Meanwhile here's an article on the topic that anti-intellectual scum like him outright refuse to acknowledge, let alone discuss. +https://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Citation/1988/01001/Remote_Cerebral_Effects_on_EEG_in_High_energy.42.aspx +I welcome anyone to check it out and take notice of the behavior observed during the tests. +--- 57906151 +Amusingly enough our hydrostatic shock protagonist decides to pull out a citation used by papers that were criticized for their lack of source corroboration by the aforementioned experts. + +Dr. Williams notes this: + +>I have been far too busy to do a detailed critique of the inferences and conclusions you have published based on the work of Gorannson and Suneson, but I have read your papers as well as having reviewed both Gorannson and Suneson's work. Not only have I reviewed them myself, but I have also reviewed them with other persons with extensive background in physiological research, both in vivo and in vitro. Neither I nor anyone I have reviewed these papers with is particularly impressed with the applicability of these studies to the physiology of human GSW's. + +For an example of a critique: It's funny how, even though the accuracy of EEG readings can be substantially affected by 1) cable movement and 2) muscle movement, the researchers thought it was appropriate to shoot lightweight 55 lb pigs in the leg (note: literal "stopping power" is not real but I have seen for myself how far 20 lb gel blocks flip when shot with .223 rounds) and figured firing shots into the air that didn't hit a pig would be enough to rule out vibratory interference - all without apparently even bothering to mention the elementary precautionary step of at least keeping the pigs restrained. +--- 57906292 +>>57906151 +You're a cowardly bitch that can only attack the messenger, because you're entirely disconnected from anything scientific. + +Another article that totally doesn't exist and describes things that totally never happen in reality. Anything they discovered is automatically untrue because some schmuck who doesn't do his own research has gripes with their metodology. +>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2313747/ +>It is concluded that a high-energy missile hit in the thigh of a pig, caused structurally demonstrable dislocations of myelin sheaths, and disarrangement of cytoskeleton and endoplasmic reticulum in axons as well as other signs of damage. The changes may interfere with the normal functions of peripheral and autonomic nerves. +--- 57906465 +>>57906292 +Ha, I'll be generous and reply to you again. + +Consider that EEG subjects are monitored for actions as small as blinking, then ask yourself whether the physical movement and vibration induced by a high velocity bullet would produce a valid reading for something the weight of a Kindergartner. If you think this is sound methodology and any complaint is just "griping", you're welcome to shake periodically during an EEG recording and tell the doctor you know exactly what you're doing. But, in an amusing case of projection, you'll attack any valid criticism because it doesn't conform with your beliefs. + +>Another article that totally doesn't exist +I don't even know what you are talking about. Seem a bit schizo here buddy. + +Anyways, I see you are quoting Suneson, which is funny because the systematic 2013 overview explicitly addresses it. +>Microscopic changes in neuronal tissue at a distance from the point of ballistic impact were demonstrated by Suneson et al in vivo, which those authors ascribed to the effect of the pressure wave. They also felt this mechanism was responsible for causing decreased oxygen consumption in cultured nerve cells in vitro. This has been cited as evidence that pressure waves are responsible for neurological symptoms, despite the lack of clinical data supporting the histological findings. + +To provide an additional review, see page 38-39 of IWBA Volume 1 #1 1991, found here. + +https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B_PmkwLd1hmbd3pWYVVJeGlGaFE + +Fackler raises several of the same concerns as myself, albeit directed towards Suneson rather than Gorranson - but applicable all the same. +--- 57906533 +>>57906465 +Eat shit and die, faggot. I don't need your replies since they contain 0 substance anyway. + +>Consider that EEG subjects are monitored for actions as small as blinking +Yeah the research is totally not valid and observations that happened there are not real. It's impossible to draw conclusions from it and everyone should silence any further research rather than try to improve methodology and try to study the validity of this theory in more detail. Having puffed up "experts" just put down anything out of the line is all science requires. +>you'll attack any valid criticism because it doesn't conform with your beliefs. +You're the one projecting here, to the point of hounding entire field of research for asking questions. +>I don't even know what you are talking about +I'm mocking you in your denial, you bumbling idiot. + +>despite the lack of clinical data supporting the histological findings +What else could be the cause of this then? The criticism does little to address it. +--- 57906640 +>>57904366 +>lacks a basic understanding of ATP production and storage +oxygen saturation doesn't dictate oxygen usage +pCO2 drives oxygen usage +oxygen is used to produce ATP, IT IS NOT THE SOURCE OF THE BODY'S ENERGY FOR BIOMECHANICS. +also, the brain has a glycogen reserve and doesn't shutdown immediately even when you're suddenly in a vacuum with no air. +you understand a lot less than you think you do. +--- 57906720 +>>57906533 +>Eat shit and die, faggot. I don't need your replies since they contain 0 substance anyway. +Did you try saying this to yourself in the mirror and listening to how silly you sound? At any rate you continue to make a fool out of yourself in response. + +>this flawed methodology doesn't produce valid results??? inconceivable!!! +Well yes, that is how it works. + +>hounding +Hardly. I'm not the one submitting my comments to journals. Hey, I'll let you in on a little secret: I thought hydrostatic shock might be real too once upon a time. But terminal ballistics is a subject I enjoy reading, and as I researched the topic further, I came to the conclusion that these advocates had met neither my burden of proof nor that of the esteemed scientists - even if I might actually disagree with the latter on other issues. + +>asking questions +Ah, I'm supposed to give credit to them for asking questions. Curiosity is fine but I'm afraid this doesn't make them any more correct. But thank you for implying that you're apparently more concerned with the novelty of alternative theories than the logic behind them. + +>I'm mocking you +You seem confused. + +>What else could be the cause of this then? +> It has been suggested that proponents of the damaging effects of pressure wave have also incorrectly reported the results of previous experimental data as well as ascribing pressure waves as the cause for a pathology that would be more correctly explained by the effects of the temporary cavity. + +Please see Fackler's comment on page 39 of IWBA Volume 1 #1 for more. +--- 57906774 +>>57903345 (OP) +haha bagina :DDDDD +--- 57906807 +>>57906720 +>Did you try saying this to yourself in the mirror and listening to how silly you sound? +There's nothing silly about saying it in your filthy face. You're a disgrace and deserve nothing less. + +>>this flawed methodology +Let me guess, all methodology is flawed unless it conforms to the falckelrite analysis? +> I'm not the one submitting my comments to journals. +Yeah, you're too much of a bitch for that. +>I thought hydrostatic shock might be real too once upon a time +>terminal ballistics is a subject I enjoy reading, and as I researched the topic further +Coming from a guy who blatantly lied about the topic before, i call bullshit. +>I'm supposed to give credit to them for asking questions. +Nope, you're supposed to prove their research wrong or right with your findings instead of bitching about it being not conclusive enough for your tastes while denying the existence of the phenomenon in question despite being unable to present any evidence to support that and trying to discredit any research that studies it. +>You seem confused. +Go back to r e ddit. +>It has been suggested that proponents of the damaging effects of pressure wave have also incorrectly reported the results of previous experimental data +So we're at the accusations of falsification of data now. So much for unbiased outlook and lack of denial of the existence of the phenomenon. +--- 57906827 +>>57906640 +>also, the brain has a glycogen reserve and doesn't shutdown immediately +Glycogen supplies glucose - it does not substitute for oxygen in the respiratory process if oxygen is lacking, and the brain has no oxygen stores. This is simply irrelevant to the discussion. + +Are a few seconds of effective action possible after blood flow to the brain stops? Certainly and this is documented, I alluded to it. 10-15 seconds on the other hand, this has never been proven and all evidence would suggest otherwise. + +For an idea of just how sensitive the brain is to oxygen deprivation - there is an experimentally determinable difference in task performance that appears to be caused simply by the varying levels of oxygenation during the heart's cycle. It changes that quickly. + +Now that tiny difference is imperceptible but it certainly validates every anecdote and piece of evidence that would suggest the brain's ability starts declining very quickly once it begins getting suffocated. + +>oxygen is used to produce ATP +Yes, oxygen is used to produce ATP, no shit. I didn't think I'd have to explain that. No oxygen = no ATP = brain function decreases. + +>pCO2 drives oxygen usage + +Cool. Either way, after the heart stops, I expect oxygen transfer to slow down as the blood remaining in the blood becomes increasingly depleted. At any rate, that is only a corollary to the main point - that the brain's supply of oxygen is highly limited after circulation stops. +--- 57906844 +>>57903345 (OP) +ITT retards can't into strangulation taking only 3 seconds, go watch MMA and touch grass, you need oxygen +--- 57906875 +>>57906807 +I'm guessing you didn't read the IWBA comments even though I went through the trouble of telling you the exact page numbers, did you? Fackler conducted his own pig testing and examined the bodies. This is on top of the thousands of clinical cases and autopsies attended by himself and his fellow scientists where they found no conclusive evidence of hydrostatic shock. + +Anyhow, you've nothing left to do than hurl insults and grasp at straws. I rest my case. +--- 57906880 +>>57906844 +Dr. Fackler didn't do MMA therefore it's not scientific and actually a psychological symptom, they simply decided to pass out after being choked. +--- 57906930 +>>57906875 +I'm not getting a google account to download your article. Also examining the bodies is wholly unrelated to the topic in question as you cannot observe impaired brain function in corpses. Same with other autopsies, the fact that he's using them as proof means that he's just like you evading the actual topic and prefers to attack a made-up strawman instead. + +>you've nothing left to do +You've been making up lies from the very start, and your lies deserve nothing but insults. +--- 57906953 +>>57904326 +>Honestly I don't know exactly how this supposition was devised, +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokehold +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbusr1CCJw [Embed] +--- 57906980 +>>57903345 (OP) +That's nonsense. There's that famous photo the flip that was shot with an M16a1, firing m193, within 20 meters in the thigh. The doctor who posted the images online reported that the fractured femur was caused by the stretch cavity as the bullets path didn't go through the femur. +If the sudden compression of fluids can cause that, I think it's safe to assume it's important. +--- 57907029 +>"Recently, eleven adult-human-sized swine +(90 kg) were shot in the proximal part of the +hind leg with a projectile producing the damage +profile of the Russian AK-74 Assault rifle bullet +(2). This same projectile was used in another +study in which five 90 kg swine were shot +through the abdomen (3). These animals were +observed from three weeks (leg shots) to two +months (abdomen shots). No indication of any +sort of "distant" damage was seen in the pigs ' +behavior and no "distant" injuries were found at +autopsy." + +>asks what could have caused local nerve cell damage, then switches topic and says physical evidence of damages is unnecessary once provided with a source he won't read. + +>even though hydrostatic shock proponents overwhelmingly state that there would be physical evidence + +>if I have obviously faulty methodology, the burden of proof is on you to make the exact same thing but magically control for the inherent flaws of an EEG machine, because this effect conveniently leaves no physical evidence since I said so +--- 57907050 +>>57906953 +That isn't 10-15 seconds and this also assumes that 1) the chokehold would cut off 100% of blood supply to the brain and 2) that effective incapacitation would not be achieved before consciousness itself was lost. +--- 57907055 +>>57907029 +I am not seriously engaging you on the topic because you've already proven you're willing to lie to discredit the research and won't seriously address it in the first place. That's why i call you a slimy dishonest redditnigger. + +Also, studying long-term or permanent damage is still not the same as short term impaired brain function. Basically he's not trying to reproduce the original research but doing his own tricks. +--- 57907080 +>>57903345 (OP) +>9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality +Yes, and this is what experience has basically showed. All pistol rounds suck roughly equally as hard. +>>57904672 +>I have spent a good bit more time contemplating this subject than pretty much anyone else here. +Maybe, probably not though. There's not much really worth nitpicking here. The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues, but other tissues and structures vary from this considerably. The example that's usually given is bones, which have fuck all elastic potential and so are affected by the gross energy of the TSC. Basically, tissues with a lower density of elastic fibers are less elastic, and the elasticity of tissues can change for a variety of reasons (age, medication, genetics, physical condition). The only other thing that always gets missed in terminal ballistics threads, that warrants mention, is that human tissues are not ballistic gel; the dimensions of cavities produced by a bullet in gel are not the dimensions it would create in flesh. There are conversion factors to work beween the two and gel just exists to be consistent. +--- 57907097 +>>57907029 +>because this effect conveniently leaves no physical evidence +>also your EEG isn't evidence +>also your observed nerve damage isn't evidence +>also the commonly occurred knockout in game has nothing to do with it, it's actually all psychological or because of damaged spine, even in shots that didn't land near the spine +You're one shitty strawmanning faggot, aren't you? +--- 57907110 +>>57906980 +Firstly, an M16 in Vietnam would have been firing M193 that would have been well in excess of the velocities needed to overcome the elastic potential of human tissues. + +Secondly, can you please name a tissue in the human body that is less elastic than bone. +--- 57907120 +>>57907050 +>That isn't 10-15 seconds +Pressure was applied at 0:13 guy dropped hands at 0:23. That is exactly 10 seconds. +--- 57907143 +>>57907080 +>The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues +Not even that. The velocity is not the only factor in creation of temporary cavity and bullet shape has massive impact on it as well. Most importantly is that it's not the bullet velocity but the resulting tissue velocity that causes it to stretch and tear, therefore changing how the bullet interacts with tissue changes how the tissue behaves, regardless of velocity. + +If it was all about raw velocity 5.7x28 would be used to hunt big game, since it's basically as fast as rifle rounds, or almost as fast. It's also almost as fast as the high end velocity thresholds quoted, which are probably picked to conveniently avoid addressing it. +--- 57907272 +>>57907120 +They're already starting to drop by the end of 0:21. Full pressure appears to have begun being applied at about 0:14. + +That also doesn't address the other points I mentioned, nor the large body of anecdotal evidence that would suggest hypovolemic incapacitation is far more rapid, even frequently among game animals that might be expected to be more resistant for reasons previously stated. + +For a larger scale study of strangulation, read up on the Redwing experiments. A very small number of the participants did make it to 10 seconds of consciousness - but all stopped voluntary movement a second before. In addition, it's unlikely that the device could have totally constricted the vertebral arteries in many cases (as they are shielded by bone), and most of the test subjects appear to have stopped realizing they were even holding on to the device very quickly. A review and commentary of the materials also notes that loss of visual acuity occurred very quickly. + +>>57907080 +>Maybe, probably not though. There's not much really worth nitpicking here. The only thing is that 2400fps is roughly right for skeletal muscle and most vascular tissues, but other tissues and structures vary from this considerably. +I didn't allude to any absolute, universal TSC threshold. There's a picture I posted displaying larger-than-projctile wounding at only 1300 FPS. + +>The only other thing that always gets missed in terminal ballistics threads, that warrants mention, is that human tissues are not ballistic gel; the dimensions of cavities produced by a bullet in gel are not the dimensions it would create in flesh. +I'm aware. I've worked with ballistic gelatin. +--- 57907307 +>Temporary cavity cannot damage elastic tissue bro +--- 57907371 +>>57907097 +I already explained the obvious problems with the EEG. You can read the 2013 review or the 1991 IWBA comments for an explanation of local 'nerve damage'. + +The TSC stretch/concussion effect mentioned does not necessarily cause permanent damage to the spinal cord on a macro level (though I expect it might be observable on a micro level). It would be a stretch, no pun intended, to assume this would also extend to a brain concussion on a shot that doesn't land near the brain. + +I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're replying in good faith, and aren't just the same guy who started this nonsense. +--- 57907429 +>>57903345 (OP) +It can cause bruising and tear non-stretchy organs like the liver if it strikes next to them but for practical purposes, yeah, it's irrelevant. + +Fackler was responding to the fudds of his time using temporary cavities as a justification of 'stoppan power.' +--- 57907451 +>>57907371 +Imperfect EEG setup doesn't make the data collected useless, nor discredit the tendencies observed using it. The IWBA comments don't address the topic of the research and provide 0 explanations on the issue in question. + +Why are you talking about good faith here when you were the first guy to state that you don't care about misrepresenting or learning about the topic of the research and were unwilling to even correct yourself? +--- 57907478 +>>57904690 +He's actually providing sources and citations you fucking illiterate willfully ignorant mouthbreather. +--- 57907496 +>temporary cavity is just fuddlore guise +--- 57908020 +>>57904182 +>400 grain projectiles +I did say the average range of masses. The purpose of this thread was the comparison of duty carry rounds. +But yes, if you up the mass enough the max speed goes down. The problem is that point is well beyond what is practical for hand guns. +--- 57908547 +>>57907451 +>Imperfect EEG setup +There is a difference between imperfect and invalid, you cannot expect me to give credit to a testing setup that could inherently yield abnormal results as a natural consequence of the gunshot regardless of whether hydrostatic shock actually occurred. EEG machines are used for subjects who are still and don’t move suddenly or encounter acute impacts, if you want to jerk around violently, any resultant anomaly cannot be assumed to reflect what the machine is meant to scan instead of your movement and vibration and I doubt most medical professionals will treat that reading as useful. + +>that you don't care about misrepresenting or learning about the topic of the research and were unwilling to even correct yourself +Sounds like some hyperbole and potentially willful misinterpretation on your part. Apparently I’m to be blamed for failing to describe this effect in the exact terms insisted upon; even though you can find actual advocates of the theory who can be reasonably read to be saying as much. Seems like a disingenuous gotcha. +--- 57910499 +>>57906827 +glycolysis does not require oxygen, fucking retard. +you are missing the trees for the forest in the order of cause and effect. +>oxygen deprevation results in a comatose state +>the brain's supply of oxygen is highly limited after circulation stops +neither of these statements prove your point; find a single coroner report that says strangulation, chemical asphyxia, or suffocation is the cause of death with any case of hemorrhage excepting pulmonary hemorrhage for obvious reasons +--- 57910537 +>>57907496 +above a certain velocity, temporary cavities begin tearing flesh. Zero, I repeat zero handgun loads ever reach this velocity. Their temporary cavity is pointless. What matters is the size of the hole (hollow points/caliber) and shot placement. +--- 57910633 +>>57910537 +To illustrate this point, not even 7.62x39 has the velocity to tear flesh with a temporary cavity. Compare 5.56 to pic related. 7.62x39 functions like a pistol round and requires specialized ammo like soft tips to achieve good wounding whereas your basic 5.56 just rips out chunks of flesh from whatever it hits. +--- 57910710 +>>57910633 +>retards think all 7.62x39 rounds perform like FMJ because almost all soviet surplus is FMJ +>think any alternative to 7.62x39 FMJ is a specialty round +>compare wound characteristics 5.56 non-FMJ to 7.62 FMJ +>somehow this is a profound, accurate comparison of the round's performance +--- 57910747 +>>57910710 +anon, 7.62x39 is a pretty garbage round. There's a reason even Russia moved away from it. There's little to gain about coping over this. You don't need to justify using it, no one is stopping you. Please don't post any further cope than this it gives me second hand embarrassment. +--- 57910759 +>>57910710 +>compares the most basic 5.56 round to the most basic 7.62x39 round +>7.62x39 coper says this is unfair and has to bring up gucci 7.62x39 ammo to compare against the most basic 5.56 ammo +LOL +--- 57910847 +>>57910747 +>>57910759 +7.62x39 is essentially 300BLK without the possibility of loading it into a 5.56 gun and exploding it +--- 57910950 +>>57910499 +>glycolysis does not require oxygen, fucking retard +Glycolysis alone sans aerobic respiration does not produce nearly enough energy to sustain effective combat capability. That is a last hurrah to prevent you from dying - not keep your coordination and senses running in tip-top condition. + +>neither of these statements prove your point; find a single coroner report that says strangulation, chemical asphyxia, or suffocation is the cause of death with any case of hemorrhage excepting pulmonary hemorrhage for obvious reasons +I fail to see the relevance of your statement. The post-shooting coroner’s reports I have read have by and large listed such causes of death as “Gunshot wound to chest” and “Multiple gunshot wounds”, not a specific physiological process at the fine level. + +If you don’t think hypoxia induced by hemorrhage is a contributing factor to mortality then you are certainly free to elaborate. Of course, I was primarily speaking in the context of incapacitation, where a person can lose the ability to fight effectively due to cerebral hypoxia/anoxia without ever reaching the stage where any significant brain damage/cellular death occurs at all. +--- 57911060 +>>57910633 +>>57910710 +>>57910747 +>>57910759 +To respond to all of these comments, I am the same person who has posted all the other lengthy diatribes about terminal ballistics. + +7.62x39 FMJ is generally worse than 5.56 FMJ by a significant margin because the former doesn’t tend to fragment much (and obviously doesn’t expand, either). 7.62x39 JSPs are regarded as terminally superior to 5.56 JSPs of similar hardness/construction. + +My jury’s still out on how premium heavy fraggers in these 2 calibers compare. + +If you are restricted to FMJ then yes 5.56 is better. If you have basic JSPs then 7.62x39 is more damaging. If you have bonded JSPs then 7.62x39 is again better terminally, but sadly Federal discontinued the 123 gr Fusion loading which I considered to be the best and, to my knowledge, only bonded 7.62x39 JSP out there. So that admittedly puts 7.62x39 in a bit of a tough spot. + +Something like 77 gr TMK vs 123 gr SST, I don’t know, but I’d choose the 77 gr TMK either way as I think you are really quite past the point of diminishing returns at that stage and the 5.56 round offers better expansion range, external ballistics, and recoil characteristics. +--- 57911095 +>>57903345 (OP) +>Fackler treats the temporary stretch cavity as being essentially irrelevant in wounding, but is it really? +Of course not, you don't deform flesh that much that rapidly without causing trauma. So the wound closes back up after the force has dissipated.. so what? That helps limit bleeding but a closed wound is still a wound. +--- 57911117 +>>57903435 +>police buttons +--- 57911135 +>>57910950 +https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1113/EP088005 +your brain's ventricles will collapse and deform the overall structure due to the loss of fluid/hemorrhage long before you die from hypoxia related to that hemmorrhage +--- 57911482 +>>57911135 +>your brain's ventricles will collapse and deform the overall structure due to the loss of fluid/hemorrhage long before you die from hypoxia related to that hemmorrhage +Iif indeed the current science suggests that brain death is more closely related to mechanical deformation than anoxia, then that's certainly interesting and I was previously unaware. Mortality is not my primary forte I will say. However, neither that statement nor the source you provided prove Fackler's assertion that I disputed: +>the brain still has enough blood in it to allow for 10-15 seconds of effective action after the heart stops delivering any oxygen +If anything it suggests otherwise. You may note the references to the Red Wing experiments; scroll up further for my commentary on that test battery. (Yes, in the most extreme cases, a few subjects made it to 10 seconds of consciousness - but all were totally incapacitated by 9 seconds and complete loss of all control is not required to degrade combat capabilities to a point we might deem "ineffective".) +--- 57911583 +>>57911482 +it isn't mechanical deformation, retard. +if you ever handled a brain in person you'd realize it's more like a balloon that inflates and deflates +you mentioned incapacitation, not death in that context and have been arguing in bad faith the entire time as demonstrated by your latest post. you pose your posts as an expert-level but you're just some retard NEET who has read wikipedia and spouts shit +--- 57911721 +>>57911583 +I consider an organ collapsing in on itself as "mechanical deformation". You yourself described it as deformation and if you don't think of such forces as gravity and intracranial pressure as mechanical, then I'm very sorry for failing yet another autist's precision of language check. + +>you mentioned incapacitation, not death in that context +I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. That cerebral hypoxia/anoxia does not induce incapacitation? That physical brain collapse is instead responsible? You're free to present any evidence and the explanation for its pertinence as it relates to the "10-15 seconds before incapacitation" claim. + +>insults +That's a shame, you almost looked like you were halfway willing to contribute productively at one point. +--- 57911896 +>>57904765 +Can someone please explain this to me? +I know that 9mm and .357 have nearly the exact same diameter. I also know that a heavier by weight and hot loaded .357 round can approximately double the foot pounds of energy a 9mm bullet can produce. + +If a 9mm and .357 have the same lethality, where would this similarity end? For example, what if the 9mm round was fired from a 3” barrel and the .357 was fired from a 16” carbine. Surely they wouldn’t have the same lethality then? +--- 57911921 +>>57911896 +What are you expecting the .357 fired from a 16" carbine to do differently than a 9mm fired from a 3" barrel? They're both going to put a neat little hole in the body. +--- 57911971 +>>57911896 +>>57911921 +.357 magnum fired out of a handgun would have to be loaded very fast, on top of expanding and maintaining velocity well, in order to cause significant stretch damage in flexible tissues. + +Out of a 16-20" carbine, many .357 magnum loadings can cause serious TSC damage. In fact, from a weight and velocity perspective, they're often not too dissimilar to supersonic .300 BLK from an SBR. + +See Dr. Robert's comments quoted further up in the thread: At 1600 FPS, we might expect to begin observing TSC effects, and by 2000 FPS they're generally quite severe. +--- 57911996 +>>57911971 +>and by 2000 FPS they're generally quite severe. +>7.62x39 round travel post 2000 FPS puts a neat little hole in someone's neck and they walk away unscathed. +>>57910633 +>>57910633 +>>57910633 +lol +--- 57912013 +>>57911971 +lol +--- 57912034 +>>57911996 +That is in specific reference to .357 Magnum JSP, not 7.62x39 FMJ. I welcome you to read my synopsis of temporary cavitation wounding effects at the top of the page. + +A well-performing .357 Magnum JSP at 2000 FPS has a much more favorable frontal reference area and 'drag coefficient' than 7.62x39 FMJ, and sometimes a degree of fragmentation to go along with it. Velocity is, again, not the sole contributing factor to TSC damage. +--- 57912057 +>>57911996 +>>57912013 +I'll link them again for your inconvenience. +>>57903813 +>>57903861 +>>57904038 +>>57904151 +Note that I explicitly stated that yaw-only intermediate caliber rifle rounds (like many 7.62x39 FMJs) that don't expand and/or fragment may produce little to no TSC wounding in flexible tissues. + +You'll also see that I've posted links referencing an IWBA authority or explicitly showing that a more favorable bullet design can inflict TSC damage at much lower velocities. .357 magnum JSP out of a carbine is effectively an expanding rifle round in terms of the relevant characteristics, and expanding rifle rounds by and large do TSC damage. +--- 57912195 +>>57911896 +read this if you care to learn, most of the crap posted in this thread is full retard +https://nebula.wsimg.com/fb54bbe7bcde47ffde93ea48ce9b9f13?AccessKeyId=D0DCC35FC05D0FC60556&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 +--- 57912208 +>>57911921 +>What are you expecting the .357 fired from a 16" carbine to do differently than a 9mm fired from a 3" barrel? They're both going to put a neat little hole in the body. + +It seems to me that an increase in weight and velocity would cause a different result. The aforementioned heavy and hot loaded .357 bullet fired from a 16” carries more foot pounds of force than a 9mm bullet. + +Hypothetically, if there is no pass through, the .357 bullet could impart approximately 700+ foot pounds of to the 9mm’s approximately 400+ foot pounds of force. Would this not have a different outcome on flesh and bone? +--- 57912221 +>>57912195 +Thank you, I will. +--- 57912304 +>>57912195 +>posts document by Dr. Roberts +>Dr. Roberts’ remarks on .357 magnum JSP and TSC damage, including his approximate estimate of the velocity threshold, is literally quoted earlier in this thread. +Did you mean something by this? +--- 57912305 +>>57903345 (OP) +I believe it heavily depends on the tissue being hit, which is the major issue with using ballistic gel as the medium, as it is supposed to represent average density of a body. If the "temporary cavity" is in muscle, it's probably going to be like a severe bruise; capillaries will be ruptured causing small amounts of internal bleeding, pain, reduced function. If it is in a softer organ like the spleen, or a major blood vessel, it could be a source of a significant wound. +--- 57912320 +>>57903345 (OP) +Fackler is old news, like 30yr old news. The dude was a living tampon personality wise and a good example of everything wrong with the field of terminal ballistics. Even he dialed back his "temporary stretch cavity doesnt do anything" drivel in later years. TSC has absolutely been confirmed to considerably contribute to wounding both in a temporary sense(ex well documented instances of TSC near the spine resulting in temporary paralysis) and permanent sense with it creating larger than projectile sized permanent wound cavities. +>According to Fackler's paradigm a 9mm and .357 mag would have basically the same lethality, for example. +This is correct in general. Not all temporary stretch cavity is meaningful, at least not with any degree of reliability. The proper equation for predicting TSC effectiveness is instantaneous drag. Pretty much you need to weigh velocity against projectile frontal area which tells you the energy being deposited on a moment by moment basis. For .355" expanding projectiles more modern estimates(per roberts) on the velocity required for the beginning of meaningful stretch cavity generation is a velocity of 1600 fps or more. With fragmenting you may see it lower on that but its gonna be one of those "it depends" sort of things. Some .357 magnum loads out of longer barrel length revolvers are capable of this, out of medium barrel lengths(4") a handful of loads may be capable of some degree of this. The vast majority of loads however will not be, and even those loads which are likely wont produce a whole lot of meaningful TSC like what you get from even intermediate caliber rifles. it is then a fair question of whether running bubbas pissin hot loads or a lighter constructed fragmenting design really offers enough benefit to justify the increased recoil and various other issues. The answer seems to be probably not. + +>t.im an autist on this particular subject +--- 57912338 +>>57903703 +>It astounds me that this has been known since the 70's but the public consciousness of the gun enthusiasts world has taken this long to accept it. +Even as recently as the last year or so, I have seen people on here who really should know better quoting the Marshall and Sanow One Shot Stop bullshit. +--- 57912388 +>>57912320 +I appreciate your convenient timing on the topic of .357 magnum as it is pretty much the exact same thing I have been trying to tell people, to the point of quoting Dr. Roberts’ literal specific forum comment. + +I must say that I take a more positive view of Dr. Fackler. While he has certainly committed some inaccuracies, some of these errors must be viewed with the perspective that he was a pioneer in wound ballistics research at a time when the understanding of it was much less mature. Dr. Roberts did work under him and continues to reference his writings. + +With any expert, it pays to evaluate their statements independently and critically, as long as you have a decent baseline of knowledge. +--- 57912414 +>>57903813 +>>57903861 +Listen to this man, he is a knower of things. +--- 57912545 +>>57910633 +Fuck why does that exposed meat on the one armed bandit make me feel hungry? +--- 57912609 +what sounds worse? +>permanent wounds +>temporary wounds +gee +--- 57912662 +>>57912388 +NGL, i usually just drive by post these sorts of threads these days since they're literally filled with dunning-kruger tier lucky gunner posters claiming you need 2500fps for effective TSC or Co&Co advocates praising hydrostatic shock as some sort of forbidden but clearly correct answer. Starts to wear a bit over the years. After taking a few minutes to read the thread though you covered everything better than id've bothered to(probably better than ive seen anybody else do on this board in recent memory) and ive got very little to add. Funny how actually reading the research available out there with a reasonable modicum of scientific validity tends to result in people having more or less the same things to say. +--- 57912886 +>>57912662 +Many thanks. Yeah it sounds like we’ve been to a lot of the places and reached a lot of the same conclusions. Couple other seemingly knowledgeable guys who appear to have posted a little bit here too, can’t say I’m likely to have thought about this the most now. Sadly a lot of noise as well but that’s how it goes. + +I get you on the exhaustion. Most of the time I just don’t even bother trying to explain things and when I do I often regret it. Wading through all the myths is incredibly tiring if not outright futile and there’s a new trash post born every minute. + +Stay strong mate, glad to meet a fellow terminal ballistics enthusiast. +--- 57914115 +>>57907143 +>If it was all about raw velocity 5.7x28 would be used to hunt big game, since it's basically as fast as rifle rounds, or almost as fast. +The only reason it isn't is because of penetration depth. +--- 57914254 +>>57903435 +>BTW in martial arts it's known effect when strong blunt force can turn off muscle +Martial arts? Kneeing each other in the thigh is every middle schooler's most cherished past time. +--- 57914413 +>>57906774 +haha :--D :DD diff --git a/k/57903375.txt b/k/57903375.txt index b9594edc62e945537b70d866d660fcb4bc3d024f..91056b0d6ae0b8cf7e9d042735c20c670bc6da60 100644 --- a/k/57903375.txt +++ b/k/57903375.txt @@ -62,3 +62,380 @@ Do it again von Stauffenberg On the contrary, I think they do know what to do. The problem just is that Assad and his regime ARE the best option for Syria. A secular dictatorship keeping an iron grip on a religious fundamentalist population has long since been shown to be the only reliable method of maintaining functional stability in a country like that without having it turn into an entirely Anti-Western status (Iran, lmao). >It isn’t that they wouldn’t want to see doc gassy dead Honestly the lethargy they showed at the actual gas attack(s) and the false flags thereafter showed they didn't really care all that much. Obama's Red Line was promptly ignored and US allies pretty much refused to kick Assad out when the US tried to get them on board. They pushed out atrocity propaganda with fake napalm attacks and fake sarin attacks, but nobody truly took the bait. A lot of media presence, but nobody really cared about it. +--- 57903776 +>>57903375 (OP) +He is what I would do + +>first step is to seduce Asma al-Assad and convince her to run away with me +>second step is to steal a Mig and fly away with her +>third step is to crash on a Aegean Island and seek asylum +> fourth step is to spend the rest of my days impregnating her on a Aegean paradise +>fifth step, idk. Fuck Syria I’m the winner in this scenario +--- 57903788 +>>57903612 +>US allies pretty much refused to kick Assad out when the US tried to get them on board +Lolno. It was Obongo who refused to give the go ahead. 2012 was an electoral year, and he didn't want to appear as going down the Bush path, of starting one Middle East boog after another (the previous year had been Libya). This allowed the Russians to infest Syria. +--- 57903804 +>>57903788 +Later on the US tried to rile up a coalition of the willing type of thing, but the UK, to start out with, kicked it down. +https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-23892783 +--- 57903819 +There's hundreds of most wanted figures that they can't kill. Why would you ask them to kill him specifically?? +If his life was in that type of danger, he'd just go in hiding like the hundreds of said other figures. +--- 57903835 +>>57903457 +Some new kind of ISIS flavor will always pop up in those regions. It's the nature of their religion and culture. +--- 57903865 +>>57903564 +traying to kill hitler was the false move. +allies should've instead bombed more german cities more fiercely +--- 57903911 +>>57903375 (OP) +Who must go? +--- 57903920 +>>57903375 (OP) +Hes unironically the good guy tho. +--- 57904186 +>>57903835 +No, it’s just that people in the middle east seldomly get to have representation that is representative of its people. The west and east have always backed either extremely secular politicians or those from minority groups such as Assad up there who belongs to a group that makes up like 3% of the cunt but hold around 60% of all positions of power. +The simple answer to all this is protect a few elections where no one is forced to have an agenda and are free from political reprisal. This worked in Iraq because the US allowed free elections to take place that natually displaced the Sunni Arab minority which went on to support Isis but was crushed easilly, compared to Afghanistan where the US supported groups comprised of “freedom” fighter groups from the north who were composed up of Turks while 80%+ of the nation were Iranian peoples. +--- 57904301 +>>57903375 (OP) +Because killing him would turn Syria into even bigger clusterfuck. I don't really care who is running that shithole if they are making it somehow stable and keeping the people from doing something retarded. +--- 57904307 +>>57903375 (OP) +>>57903401 +Kill him. He's fucking useless and the war started while he had complete control of the place because he insisted on torturing students. Kill him and kill his poxy kardashian tier wife and kids. Can't be any worse than it has beem +>>57903457 +>>Rebels and ISIS are back literally 2 years later +Assad created ISIS under Russian advise and his relatives in teh Syrian air force spend a year bombing everyone but ISIS while ISIS spent a year attacking everyone but Assads forces. Then ISIS invaded Iraq. Assads a cunt. Put his head on a stick. +--- 57904329 +As much as I don't want Russia to have an influence in the Med and Middle East, getting rid of this cunt would likely see Europe flooded with even more shit-tier immigrants of which we've had plenty already. All a bit catch22. +--- 57904429 +>>57904307 +Isis was created by Barack Hussain Obama nd Hillary's state dept FACT. +I've been on here since 09 and watched the whole thing unfold. +Remember don't call them isis they are "The moderate Syrian rebels know as daesh" nevermind there rocking US 16A4's and some of them have seal tattoos, they need weapons packages asap. If not oh well they always have that sarin gas they looted from Libya during the bengazi raid. Good thing CNN will always blame the #dictator. Its kinda weird they never attack Isreal but ya know important details like that are for schizos. +Gotta destabilize how else will Europe and America get its much needed refugee flood. You think you seen conflicts on your TV? Wait until the real food crisis. +--- 57904500 +Why should I give a fuck about his domestic issues if he'll keep the country stable? +--- 57904518 +>>57904429 +>rocking seal tattoos +This never happened why are you lying +--- 57904571 +realistically +>kill all remaining IS HVTs in country that we know of and any significant buildup of fighters that are left +>claim mission against IS is complete +>leave + +leave some TOWs there for the lulz. +--- 57904580 +>>57904429 +I almost made a serious reply. Pretty good bait but a tad bit too on the nose. Dial it back 20% +--- 57904605 +>>57903375 (OP) +Exercise my claim to the French throne and declare Syria as my government-in-exile. Simultaneously larp as Charlemagne and Assurbanipal, take the ancient titles of Francorum Rex, King of the Four Corners of the World, Holy Roman Emperor, Rex Christianissimus, King of the Universe, Defender of the Faith, King of Sumer and Akkad, and every single other inane royal title I can milk. +Leave Assad as my provincial governor, prepare to assimilate my immediate neighbors and subsume them into my empire and/or pile-drive Syria headfirst into the fucking pavement, whichever happens I become the best section in the history books for the next thousand years. +--- 57904731 +>>57903375 (OP) +Just invade and install a friendly regime, simple as +--- 57904793 +>>57903375 (OP) + +Ultimately, the coalition of those who support Assad and those who don't really like him but are concerned that his successor will be a fundie headcase seems to be the majority of the country. Of the ones who actually live in Syria, it seems the strong majority in gov-controlled areas (70% of the overall country) are at least ambivalent to the regime. + +I actually find strong parallels in the Rhodesian war to the Syrian war, with an authoritarian minority rule state (Alawite/whites) controlling a majority other state (Sunni/black) that doesn't completely exclude them but does discriminate against them, the rebels are divided (Nusra-ISIS-FSA/ZANU-ZAPU) the rebels are feared to be beholden to extreme ideologies (Islamism/Communism) and fears exist they will murder said minority if they take over, with the minority group using chemical weapons. + +>mfw going to Syria in two weeks so I'll just see the support for him there + +I'll even go to rebel controlled Busra to see what they've got to say. +--- 57905070 +>>57904793 +rip anon, that's a one way trip +--- 57905181 +>>57904793 +>going to Syria +Are you at least going to have a gun? +--- 57905217 +Crazy how many faggot war tourists are on this board. +--- 57905269 +>>57903445 +>Is assassinating a world leader EVER a good idea? +People think power vacuums have to be filled by worse people but there's no evidence of that. For instance when Pablo Escobar was killed basically drug violence dropped like 95% and now Cali and Medellin are touristic cities +--- 57905276 +>>57903911 +RIP OP +--- 57905381 +I went to rehab with a Syrian doctor who fled the country when Asad's soldiers brought in "protesters" or whatever to the hospital and then said they would kill him if he treated them. He watched them die and could have saved them. + +When he was in school he got top score in the country on some standardized test and met Asad to be recognized so I always called him Asad's top guy lol..poor dude got unwittingly hooked on tramadol after a bad accident. +--- 57905448 +>>57905381 +yes and 6 trillions jews were killed by a billion miles of trains that threw them in a pit filled with dildo dragons that fucked them to death. Oh those evil Germans, oh these evil Syrians. +--- 57905452 +>>57905217 +>/pol/e smoker +>obsessed with tranny genitalia +pottery +--- 57905456 +>>57905448 +lol there you go with that fag speak again +--- 57905477 +>>57905452 +I don't even use /pol/ though I do enjoy HRTwinks and femboys. +--- 57905503 +>>57905381 +Why bring them to the hospital, then? +--- 57905535 +>>57905070 +>>57905181 + +Going to Syria (assuming you stick to the group tour and don't wander off by yourself) is stupidly safe - the terrorists are all dead, the army is on every street corner, your presence is worshipped as you're the first foreigner they've seen in forever, people practically give you free shit, your tour guide knows a guy in the Ministry and all it takes is one call and you don't have a problem anymore, no matter the problem. I know someone who was in Aleppo last year who woke up at his hotel near midnight, decided to get some falafel, walked to the store about five minutes from the hotel at midnight, bought said falafel and walked back without once thinking about his safety. It's that safe. + +The only place that's dangerous is Idlib which you'd have to be a proper retard to go to. +--- 57905539 +For people who hate assad why the fuck would removing him improve the region rather then fuck it up even harder ?, fucking ISIS and other jihadists fucktards is not a improvement. +--- 57905573 +>>57905535 +Can I go with you? I'm in Ukraine rn but would love to travel with you in Syria anon :) +--- 57905594 +>>57904307 +Shalom my friend +--- 57905599 +>>57905535 +>Going to Syria (assuming you stick to the group tour and don't wander off by yourself) is stupidly safe - the terrorists are all dead +>The only place that's dangerous is Idlib +Are you retarded or just woefully ignorant? +--- 57905652 +>>57903457 +>Rebels and ISIS are back literally 2 years later +They aren’t going to return if we stop funding them +--- 57905681 +>>57905503 +>well they were provided with medical care but unfortunately there was nothing the doctors could've done and they all died tough luck lol +--- 57905751 +>>57905573 + +Takes a while for your visa to be approved so the same tour is impossible but there are plenty of tour companies that take you to Syria. + +>>57905599 + +Look at any travel vlog in Syria if you don't believe me. +--- 57905929 +>>57905503 +>>57905599 +yea this basically.. +--- 57907983 +>>57903911 +Enjoy your mountain of shit! +--- 57908064 +>>57903375 (OP) +yes, we must help our ISIS allies +--- 57908098 +>>57903401 +Amen. I fucking WISH the West/NATO would be as fascist/imperialist as the rest of the world keeps decrying us for. +--- 57908120 +>>57903401 +>Just let him win already. +It is not about "letting" anyone do anything. Dude simply cannot win with the stuff he has available currently, especially now that Russia fucked up and is getting destroyed in Ukraine. +He would require direct western military support at this point and that is not happening. +--- 57908198 +>>57908120 +qrd on assad and his current situation? +i dont really know much about the guy, just that he got memed to prominence on /pol/ for not getting his bloodies corpse dragged through the streets like ghaddafi, thanks to the russians +--- 57909587 +>>57903375 (OP) +I'd nuke israel Inshallah +--- 57909633 +>>57908198 + +Syria since the early 1970s has been run by one family, the Assads, who are part of a religious minority called Alawites. Alawites are pretty secular, but most of the country are religiously conservative Sunnis so no democracy since Alawites could all be killed. He took over from his dad around 2000 and continued being a generally anti-west dictator. Arab Spring happens, everyone in Syria is tired of him, but many come back around to him once Muslim fundamentalists take power in Egypt and Libya. A coalition of rebel forces then tried to overthrow Assad, America tried to support a few of the rebels to stop the worse rebel groups taking over, then ISIS shat on everything, then Russia backed up Assad to look strong on the world stage. Assad has basically won minus a crammed city called Idlib in the north but the country is sanctioned to hell though he's slowly making friends in the Arab space again. +--- 57909877 +>>57903459 +>Coup of Milosevic had ended Yugoslavian wars for good. +Yeahhhhh, but after that, Yugoslavia stopped....being a thing. So maybe it didn't help that much. +--- 57909907 +>>57903375 (OP) +An old saying goes that one can’t just Mossad the Assad. +--- 57909944 +Can we get casus belli in the middle east that isn't retarded? Like there's zionism, and then there's autistic existential zionism, and the latter comes with a lot more baggage than normal foreign policy. +--- 57910013 +>>57903375 (OP) +Leaving him there must be deliberate. Because if the United States wanted Assad gone, then Assad would be gone.Anything else is pure vatnik cope. + +So why would he be left there you might ask? It is a 4D chess move to drain Russian resources by forcing them to maintain a presence in the area. + +Russia is extremely embarrassed by the US leaving Assad in power so Russia are forced to continue staffing their bases in Syria. +--- 57910017 +>>57909944 +Stonks and oil isn't good? +--- 57910038 +>>57903375 (OP) +>Why wont Israel, EU or US just kill him already? +Oh yes, I would love for another 30 million refugees to pour into Europe again +--- 57910206 +What's up with this "pro-Jihadi" stance on Syria that /k/ has now? +What the fuck happened? +Is this butthurt because Assad is backed by the Russians? +--- 57910258 +>>57910206 +No. /k/ are ridiculing Assad because he is backed by the Russians. You are butthurt and lashing out because Russia is defeated. +--- 57910285 +>>57910258 +What makes you think i care about Russia lmao +It's just completely retarded supporting headchoppers over a guy that at least brings some stability to the region. +It's like you fags want another rapefugee wave into Europe. +--- 57910332 +>>57910285 +Because you implied Russias opponents are the ones who are butthurt. Because you conflated the opponents of a Russian client with ISIS? Don’t think such things will go unanswered. +>another rapefugee wave into Europe +Did you guys just start another meat wave mobilization? +--- 57910365 +>>57910332 +NTA But why does everything have to be tied to Russia? If they support Assad so what? It doesn't make the fact that Syria is basically doomed under anyone else's leadership false. Does Russia suck? Sure. But we aren't discussing Russia here. +--- 57910441 +>>57910365 +>zoomer /pol/dditor thinks 2015 is ancient history and doesn’t know the subject matter even remotely +--- 57910551 +>>57905448 +Take your meds +--- 57910554 +>>57910332 +Where did i implied that Russia's opponents are butthurt? Unless you consider /k/ to be some sort of super sekrit group against them, then all of my LMAO to you. +--- 57912670 +>>57903375 (OP) +He's unkillable +--- 57912767 +>>57903375 (OP) +The jews already stole his oil. Ending wars inhibits the military industrial complex from draining our treasury, which serves the function of impoverishing White tax payers and accelerating White genocide. +--- 57913984 +>>57903375 (OP) +I'd rather end the hostilities than end the war in Syria and to be fair there's kinda weird peace in Syria these days anyway. + +The reason is simple, if foreign powers let Assad win then he'll walk over any other faction and there will be "yet another country" against the West in the Middle East. If the status quo drags on forever once Assad is gone someone more amicable towards West may get elected or the political climate may shift. + +Also, there's the little issue that 20% of the country's population is currently in refugee status. This is an insanely high number. If Assad wins, these people are not going back at all. If status quo continues or if someone more amicable comes in power they might go back. + +TLDR: Status quo benefits most big players. +--- 57914205 +>>57913984 +>someone more amicable comes in power they might go back +LOL implying those welfare leeches and criminals will ever go back after getting all these gibs from Euro countries +--- 57914256 +>>57903510 +Putin did send men to kill Zelensky, they just failed spectacularly, like all Russian military operations +--- 57914288 +>>57914205 +Most of them are in Turkey retard. +--- 57914347 +Is it possible to leave Rojava as a Kurdish semi-autonomous region, like in Iraq? +--- 57914363 +>>57914347 +Not as long as Turkey has a say. +>>57914354 +blame Erdodog for that +--- 57914375 +>>57914354 +Good. Turks deserve everything bad that has happened to them. They are just tanned brit bongers but with no positive traits. +--- 57914379 +>>57905535 +NTA but the “Middle East” isn’t actually that bad to tour, just don’t be retarded +>t. Grew up in Iraqi Kurdistan +--- 57914383 +>>57914375 +>Dislike Arabs +>Invade Arab country to keep them from immigrating +>Mfw more Arabs enter your country +Is Erdogan retarded? +--- 57914389 +>>57903776 +Sounds like a good plan. I’m in. +--- 57914390 +>>57914383 +>Is Erdogan retarded? +yes +--- 57914399 +Hey remember when they faked a bunch of attacks from Assad against Syrian civilians that were just actors pretending to be injured that got up moments later after getting the news shots? +--- 57914403 +>>57903401 +His father was actually a competent leader. Assad junior is just a dictator. +--- 57914416 +>>57909877 +>Yugoslavia stopped....being a thing +In 1991, when it fell apart. +--- 57914532 +>>57914403 +He's a younger brother and was supposed to live a happy life as a doctor in France +He was never groomed for the job +--- 57914568 +>>57903375 (OP) +Being allied with Russia, the war can only be concluded by the outbreak and then ending of WW3. Basically, just add Damascus to the nuclear target list and glass it. +--- 57914574 +>>57914532 +And Maduro is just a bus driver kept in charge by uniformed drug gangs, and Cuban commissars. +--- 57914586 +>>57910441 +>what is realpolitik +--- 57914776 +>>57914389 +Based, death or glory brother +--- 57914829 +>>57903375 (OP) +>How would you end Syrian war? +Just like based Assad will. With winning. +--- 57914838 +loook ughhhhhhhhhhh + +im just not supporting israel or ukraine! + +i know i know.............. + + +ahaaaaaaaaa im just not going to LOL! +--- 57914843 +>>57914416 +Technically in 2003. +--- 57914857 +>>57914838 +Αrmatard makes appearance to spam. Who wants to post the corpse piles in Bakhmut? +--- 57914984 +>>57909633 +>Assad has basically won minus a crammed city called Idlib in the north. +Nta but this is the one thing I don't get. I know Turkey is stopping Assad from retaking Idlib, but what would Turkey actually do to Assad if he were to launch an offensive on Idlib? It just seems bizarre to me that everyone is now talking about "rebuilding" Syria and restoring diplomatic relations with Syria as if the civil war is over; meanwhile what's essentially al-Qaeda still controls a sizeable chunk of the country. +--- 57915062 +>>57910206 +I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests. There were plenty of Syrians who really were moderates; but they either died or fled the country after it became a full-fledged civil war. You're right that at this point, the only opposition to Assad left is just jihadis; it would be foolish to still push for Assad to go. But Assad fanboys are incapable of finding any flaws with how him and his father have governed Syira since 1971. They think that if you don't know the lyrics to God, Syria, Bashar by heart, it means you are pro-jihadi. +--- 57915105 +>>57915062 +>I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests. +It was stereotypical CIA funded colored revolution. +--- 57915121 +>>57910206 +/k/ has been completely mind broken this war. It’s like /pol/ with the Trump election. It will probably never recover. +--- 57915152 +>>57915105 +And here's another example of why I can't Assad fanboys. You retards act like literally every protest in a non-western country is the result of some guy in Langley pressing a button labeled "COLOR REVOLUTION" +--- 57915159 +>>57915121 +Most of /k/ posters now are east euros and it reflects with all the globohomo shilling. +--- 57915183 +>>57915152 +Man you have to be blind to not see it, and when I remember all the FSA shilling on the reddit back then... +--- 57915235 +>>57915062 +>I'm old enough to remember that the war only started after Assad violently crushed what were initially just protests. +Just protests with mysterious gunmen firing both at security forces and at the crowd, wow. +Same shit as in the clankening, where snipers shot both at police and the protesters. +Both the Syrian situation and Euromaidan were purposefully escalated by whoever. +--- 57915269 +>>57915183 +Nigger, I'm not denying that US has tried to influence politics via the CIA, NED, and other organizations. What I'm saying is you niggers have an overly simplistic view of influence operations. Again, you act like all it takes for a "color revolution" to happen is some guy in Langley pressing a button, and then suddenly you have tens of thousands of people out on the streets once a bank deposit hits their accounts. + +Whenever ANY sort of protest happens in a non-western country, it's immediately labeled as a "color revolution" by tankies and other retards. They completely sidestep the question as to if there's anything wrong with the government that would compel people to take to the streets cause to do so would upset the simplistic narrative you have in your heads that every protestor is paid to be there. + +I even agree with you that the FSA shilling was retarded. It was clear early on that the FSA wasn't big enough to be any serious threat. But to act like everyone who ever opposed Assad was a jihadist all along is also retarded. If Assad really had such overwhelming support, any US influence operation wouldn't have resulted in such massive protests to begin with. And there would have been a lot less Syrians fleeing the country if Assad was really so popular. +--- 57915286 +>>57915269 +- if it's the protest you don't hear about in western media - it's organic one +- if the protest hits front pages in western media and reddit it's CIA escalated one diff --git a/k/57903473.txt b/k/57903473.txt index 34c68a6eec92cd9c46a5d3d03a8bebab765583fd..ea7ec845b70675ac9eeab2faa43b0dcc75cc5c51 100644 --- a/k/57903473.txt +++ b/k/57903473.txt @@ -6,3 +6,141 @@ Why were the 1800s so violent in North America? From Mexico to Quebec, the entir --- 57903503 >>57903473 (OP) 1800s were violent all over. Taipan, Ned Kelly, Boer War, the fucking war of the triple alliance, the napolionic wars and the Franco-Prussian war etc +--- 57903855 +>>57903473 (OP) +Bring back dueling. +--- 57903871 +>>57903473 (OP) +>Why were the 1800s so violent +It was a period of rapid indutrialization and population expansion and the world was going though growing pains. It was a direct prelude to the global conflicts of the early 20th to mid 20th century, which were caused by ideologies rising up specifically as a response to 19th century industrialism. +--- 57903888 +>>57903473 (OP) +>Why were the 1800s so violent. +too many boys, too little cows. +--- 57906754 +>>57903473 (OP) +>>57903503 +>>57903855 +>>57903871 +>>57903888 + +The 1800s were way less violent than modern American cities. +--- 57907356 +>>57903473 (OP) +More like basedboys +--- 57907388 +Don't forget, guys: the 1911 counts as a Wild West gun because the era technically goes to, like, 1924. They also include it in cowboy action shooting events. I guess that makes the BAR eligible for that, too. +--- 57907535 +>>57906754 +Not if you’re white +--- 57908897 +>>57907388 +how available were those to civilians though +--- 57908989 +>>57903473 (OP) +They weren't, though. The "Wild West" had a much lower murder rate than modern America. +--- 57909005 +>>57908897 +Most JMB designs were basically available to the public from the get-go. You'll see Colt 1905s in old Sears catalogues. +--- 57909047 +>>57909005 +>>57908897 +Sears 1916 +--- 57909053 +>>57903473 (OP) +You're suffering, in addition to general retardation, from inductive reasoning and conformation bias. 1800s were far less violent than today. Similar to the canard that the medieval period was inherently brutal and barbaric. It wasn't. +--- 57909064 +>>57909047 +>1916 $22 +>2023 $609 +For a brand new 1911? Not too shabby. +--- 57909087 +>>57909064 +And now look at the wage of a coal miner +--- 57909179 +>>57909087 +Fair enough. Still, plenty of fairly normal folk probably could've afforded one. +--- 57909186 +>>57906754 +Not by per capita. +--- 57909211 +>>57909053 +1800's were way more violent for America than now. War of 1812, Mexican-American War, American Civil War, Reconstruction, and all the Indian Wars. Not to mention problems of gangs, highwaymen, Indian raids, range wars, etc. The Wild West was indeed very wild. +--- 57909245 +>>57903473 (OP) +>Why were the 1800s so violent in North America? From Mexico to Quebec, the entire continent was soaked in blood. +They really were not, even the American revolution was tiny tiny event with 7000 deaths absolutely nothing to the British Campaign against Mysore or Clive of India or the conquest of the Sikhs or the Sudan Campaign or the French conquest of Algeria or the race for Africa or the Zulu wars or the European rebellions etc etc. A million people died in the US civil war (and that's the biggest event in US history) but to get that in perspective a tiny shithole like Ireland had a million deaths from a famine about the same time. For most of its history especially the 19th century the US was a non event. It was a backwater on teh edge of civilisation like Russia which like Russia was still practising slavery in the mid ninetieth century. Power revolved around Britain, France and later unified Germany. The US only starts to become reverent towards the end of the 19th century. I love the USA and Americans very much but Op you sound like a tarded vatnik if you think that the US as mattering until the 20th century. A shoving match with Spain but Spain was an incredibly weak power and teh US was playing on home turf. +--- 57909451 +>>57909064 +Gold +1916 $19oz +2023 $2000oz +Look what they've done to the dollar +--- 57909705 +>>57909451 +>value somehow went up during the damn depression of all things +>tfw FDR of all people was more economically competent than Joe Printsalot. +--- 57909776 +>>57909245 +>A million people died in the US civil war +You are a fucking idiot. +Most numbers are around 600,000. +https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-casualties +https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17604991 +https://www.history.com/news/american-civil-war-deaths +> all around 600,000 +--- 57909841 +>>57909451 +I don't think you understand how unstable the gold standard was or how bad gold was as a currency desu. Let's see if I can explain.The population of the USA in 1916 was about 100 million people. Today it is about 336 million. Not just that but the economy of the USA is vastly larger in every possible way and people are vastly better off in every way from the cost and speed and safety of transport to improvements in healthcare, communications, technology, productivity even dentistry as one simple example. As the population expands and economic activity expands you need more units of currency to avoid constraint? Do you understand? The gold standard would stop economic growth and improvements in peoples lives and cause recessions. The Strand gold standard debate and silver coin collectors are a by product of a war4med over version of a debate that last took place between to competing presidential candidates in the USA in 1896 representing two different vested interests, silver miners and gold holders. Out of context arguments from this are foisted by channels like youtube on poorly educated people to get them to buy physical gold and silver at high margin (profit) to the seller. It would be very strange if there were not more dollars today, after all it is the worlds reserve currency and universally used for trade and is userbase has gone from 100million to billions You'll probably try and give me some angry or insulting answer but I'm not trying to sell you anything just educate you +>>57909451 +>they've +Who is {they} to you today? The 'elite'? The Jews? The Boomers? The rich? The poor? The federal reserve? The treasury? The US government? Who is this 'they' that you are so angry with? I doubt you even know yourself outside of some rant. The USA has the wealthiest, most prosperous most secure population on earth and at no time in history has everything from travel to entertainment to communications to education to housing and medical care been so widespread +--- 57909892 +>>57909776 +yes I was being very generous to it as an even estimates go up to 750,000 soldiers and anywhere form 50,000-150000 civilians depending on what you take as 'cause'. One way or the other all you have done is make my point even more correct. I see why you embrace the word idiot so easily. The point that the US was not particularly bloodsoaked or even mattered much until the 20th century. It was a sideshow. The entire US civil war was far less death just the famine in a tiny place like Ireland. Exactly my point. +--- 57910066 +Cowgirls and female bandits need to rape me +--- 57910219 +>>57909841 +Wow that's alot to digest and honestly I'm a bit busy at the moment, will def read later ty. But the fact remains a colt peacemaker or a good suit is about $2000, a century and a half ago, the colt and good suit was about $20 +> they +Those in power +--- 57910246 +>>57903855 +Holy shit he got shot by a .45 +--- 57910271 +>>57909245 +>They really were not, even the American revolution was tiny tiny event + +Considering what England lost in territory and it's potential, it wasn't a minor affair. +--- 57911390 +>57909841 +Ok I read your reply to me. What a disappointment, any value in it is overshadowed by your arrogance and presumptions. Fuck off. It's clear you think you are highly intelligent but you can't even comprehend +>>57909451 +>Gold +>1916 $19oz +>2023 $2000oz +>Look what they've done to the dollar +without entering into to some long-winded bullshit acount of how I am angry (no) or any of the other crap you said. Don't reply, not interested in your drivel. +--- 57911447 +>>57911390 +Bro are you good? +--- 57911518 +>>57911447 +Ha. Yeah I'm good, thanks +--- 57911779 +>>57909892 +In terms of absolute death toll the Potato Famine and the ACW are comparable. The Potato Famine was only more devastating due to Ireland having a much smaller population. Likewise, a million dead Irish is absolutely fucking nothing in the grand scheme of 19th century politics and the UK was more worried about the possibility of conflict with the USA following the Trent Affair than they were about the Irish. +--- 57914385 +>>57903473 (OP) +>tfw wont have your way with a injun +--- 57914395 +>>57903473 (OP) +My favorite Old West pistol is the Borchardt C93. +>Why were the 1800s so violent in North America? +Why not? We're a naturally violent people and need a bit of strife in our lives. The loss of the frontier was the loss of the spirit of the nation. +--- 57914852 +>>57909064 +1916 $1 = $27.69 2023 +27.69 x 22 = $609.18 +the price hasn't changed in over 100 years diff --git a/k/57903557.txt b/k/57903557.txt index 1251a97ce6a67a29008e8b9d37f31f6a820c77b0..68992a79abc3a72d20fbc7d3e22c945738b0a6b6 100644 --- a/k/57903557.txt +++ b/k/57903557.txt @@ -20,3 +20,177 @@ Xaxaxaxa, dumb pigger, it hasn't been cancelled, it will just be taking place ev Can't wait for those 2 years to happen just to postpone the event another 2 years again --- 57903603 post clips +--- 57903678 +>>57903594 +Just two more (years) comrade! +--- 57903701 +>>57903603 +I can't watch this clip without automatically hearing the benny hill theme in my head +--- 57903712 +>>57903557 (OP) +This was the last good thing to come out from that country. Now there is absolutely no reason to simp for russia. +And now we wait for T-72B3 in tank biathlon livery getting perforated by 120mm western munitions. +--- 57903713 +>>57903603 +--- 57903801 +>>57903603 +why is it only shithole countries that participate? +--- 57903818 +>>57903603 +>South Ossetia +>Iran +>Zimbabwe +>Syria +>Myanmar +>Laos +VGH... +--- 57903824 +>>57903566 +>>57897927 → +--- 57903826 +>>57903801 +Because serious armies like the US and NATO don't do this retarded clown shit, they do real military exercises with real strategic purposes. +--- 57903839 +>>57903801 +The shithole countries are the best part, anything can happen. This would be a incredibly boring event if it was between western powers. +Like >>57903826 said, boring garbage. +--- 57903970 +>>57903801 +>>57903826 +>>57903839 +they do have competitions, see >>57903825 → +but its not Death Race inspired +--- 57904319 +>>57903839 +what is going on here +--- 57904524 +>>57904319 +Russian state tv apparatchiks watching gachimuchi. Duh. +--- 57904593 +>>57903557 (OP) +Literally africa-only event. +--- 57904810 +>>57903603 +So does Russia just make all other teams go through pits engineered so the tanks can't get out +--- 57905103 +>>57903557 (OP) +genetic tank question; are all modern tanks destructible by a modern infantry carried anti tank weapon? Or are they only under favorable conditions to the infantry position, meaning angle of attack of the weapon. Regarding armor and not active defense systems. +--- 57905178 +>>57905103 +Generaly speaking most, if not all, tanks are vulnerable to AT missiles, rockets are a 50/50 if the armor can stop it or not +--- 57905246 +>>57903839 +>anything can happen +But nothing ever happens and Russian "wins" these meme cups every time for some reason. How is this not boring? +--- 57905336 +>>57905246 +>Russian "wins" these meme cups every time +Is this true? +--- 57905346 +>>57905246 +essentially the harlem globetrotters of tank competiton +--- 57905380 +>>57905336 +Yes. +--- 57905386 +>>57903566 +Their tankathlon champion crew died in February last year IIRC. +--- 57905434 +>>57905246 +>>57905380 +Yeah but can they do it in a T-55? +--- 57905454 +>>57905434 +Good question. +Anyway the 2nd division is where the fun can be found. +--- 57905457 +>>57903566 +Dumb hohol, rasha has enough tanks, but dancer on top of tanks got conscripted so now event cancelled +--- 57905461 +>>57905178 +so only active countermeasure systems can protect them fully, trophy and trench coat and whatever else exists? +--- 57905467 +>>57905434 +They'd probably made everyone else participate in a T-55. Which might backfire since China can send a proper Type 59 crew and dab all over them. +--- 57905508 +>>57903801 +This is basically one step up from South Asian militaries having 20 guys on a moped. Actual competent militaries take part in actual military exercises. Having said that I think Russia held this shit to sell more equipment. Natural resources, weapons and overseas escorting are their whole economy. +--- 57905510 +>>57903557 (OP) +Imagine if Russia did not cancel and just shipped all the crews to Bakhmut. +--- 57905529 +>>57904319 +IIRC they watched this on state TV as an example of western degeneracy. However, they knew way more about it (includ8ng it's existence) than even your average gay westerner. They also watched it for quite a while. +--- 57905538 +>>57904319 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB8wikbUX1A [Embed] +--- 57905572 +>>57903566 +There's a much better competition happening in the field right now. +--- 57905582 +>>57903826 +what is the strong europe tank challange and why do the germans keep winning? +Also +>the polish lost with a Leopard 2 against the ukrainans in a T 64 in 2017 +--- 57905597 +>>57903557 (OP) +>Russia keeps cancelling events that require tanks such as parades and these games +>BUT THEY TOTALLY AREN'T RUNNING LOW ON FUNCTIONING TANKS BROS!!! +--- 57905850 +>>57905597 +Even putin realized that doing parades does not look good when shit has been hitting the fan for over a year +--- 57905978 +>>57905246 +That's why they didn't do it with T-55's, the chinks could win it with tech advantage +--- 57906194 +>>57903603 +does anyone have the clip of a south ossetian tank spinning its turret and not stopping? +--- 57908844 +>>57906194 +no :( +--- 57908862 +>>57903713 +Fastest russian-made tank reverse ever? +--- 57908880 +>>57903801 +I treat it as the tactical edition of pic related +--- 57908906 +>>57906194 +theres also a similar clip from a few weeks ago of a russian tank (maybe around vuhledar) that gets pierced by AT from one side of the hull to the other, after which the turret starts turning in a circle without ever stopping. +shit was kino. +--- 57908930 +>>57903557 (OP) +the other countries are afraid that Russia will liberate them from any tanks they send to participate +--- 57909011 +>>57903557 (OP) +>The tank biathlon 2023 has just been cancelled. +--- 57909052 +>>57903603 +with these allies you dont need enemies +--- 57909150 +>>57903566 +Yes. +--- 57910437 +>>57903557 (OP) +>The tank biathlon 2023 has just been cancelled. +--- 57910486 +>>57908844 +>turret spins uncontrollably for 20 minutes +>eventually unscrews completely and falls out +--- 57913622 +>>57903603 +I pretend these are 1/24th-scale RC cars filmed with forced-perspective and standing off camera there are a pair of 8-year-olds who are hopped up on Capri Suns and just don't give a fuck if they break the toys grandma got them for their birthdays--- and just like that, the tank biathlon starts making sense. +--- 57913648 +>>57903583 +>axaxaxa, dumb pigger, it hasn't been cancelled, it will just be taking place every two years now))))) next year in Artemovsk))))))))))))) +--- 57913654 +>>57903557 (OP) +russia has been demilitarized +--- 57913710 +>>57905582 +The difference is that in the Strong Europe and Canadian Army Trophy competitions, the "hits" aren't the result of accidental collisions. +--- 57913761 +Memes aside, it was actually pretty implessive how the Chinese crew managed to win their division with a ZTZ96 with a fucked wheel. +--- 57914050 +>>57903603 +A highlight that I'm surprised isn't posted here often. diff --git a/k/57904642.txt b/k/57904642.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..24aa4ca9e55b4cce58904ab30dd7167c1aecd5ec --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57904642.txt @@ -0,0 +1,266 @@ +----- +--- 57904642 +https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/moerklagt/afsloering-russiske-spionskibe-forbereder-mulig-sabotage-mod#!/ + +https://yle.fi/a/74-20027675 + +Journalists from the Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish public broadcasters have found new indications in a joint research project that Russia is developing plans to sabotage Western gas pipelines, electricity and internet cables on the seabed. + +The journalists followed the movements of Russian ships in the North Sea and Baltic Sea, spoke to experts and security services and made use of intercepted radio traffic. The result of their research can be seen in a documentary series that will be broadcast tonight. + +The research confirms reports that Russia plans to sabotage crucial infrastructure of NATO countries at sea if it comes to war with the West. +--- 57904647 +>>57904642 (OP) +In November, for example, a team from the Danish broadcaster DR tracked down a Russian ship in the strait between Denmark and Sweden that was probably busy mapping the infrastructure on the seabed there. + +The Admiral Vladimirsky is a marine research vessel, but would also be used to collect intelligence on gas pipelines, wind farms and electricity and internet cables. It had turned off its AIS transponder so that its location and other data were not visible to others. + +The Danes managed to find out the location by intercepting information that the ship sent to a Russian naval base. The broadcaster sent a journalist and cameraman to the Vladimirsky in a fast boat. When he arrived at the ship, masked men appeared on deck and a heavily armed soldier in a bulletproof vest. + +A journalist from the Norwegian broadcaster NRK discovered a connection between the destruction of an internet cable between Spitsbergen and the Norwegian mainland due to the movements of a Russian fishing boat. They were strange. "The transponder signals show that the Melkart-5 passed over the cable more than 130 times. More than 130 times, there and back." + +That cannot be a coincidence, said a Norwegian shipowner. "This is totally illogical for a fishing vessel. Even if there are an insane amount of fish. I'm not a fisherman, but this is not a normal activity." +--- 57904648 +>>57904642 (OP) +Yeah they get caught with (((research vessels))) conducting important (((deep sea research))) by underwater cables all the time. We should unrionically just shoot them and Chinese fishing fleets on sight +--- 57904650 +>>57904647 +The Finnish broadcaster Yle writes that the Russian fishing vessel Taurus also attracted the attention of the journalists. It called at a Norwegian port 51 times in the past ten years, only 34 times with fish on board. + +In the fall of 2018, it was spotted west of Norway where a major NATO exercise was just underway. In December last year it was on its way to the Barents Sea, almost a month before the start of the fishing season. + +According to the broadcasters, over the past ten years, the movements of more than fifty Russian ships should be considered suspicious. + +"In the event of a conflict with the West, Russia knows where to strike to paralyze Danish society," the counterintelligence chief of the Danish intelligence agency PET told DR. According to the head of Norwegian intelligence, the Kremlin attaches great importance to the operation and it is being directed directly from Moscow. + +The information that Russians collect is stored centrally, according to the DR. To be able to do this, a special software program called GUGI has been developed for Russian naval, fishing and merchant ships. + +That would mean that all Russian ships could be deployed for underwater warfare. According to an expert from the Norwegian Defense Academy, it is very easy for a non-naval ship to jettison a sea mine at a designated location. + +The Russian ambassador to Norway wrote in response to questions from the broadcasters that Russia complies with international law. +--- 57904656 +>>57904642 (OP) +Why isn't NATO doing anything about it? It's an unarmed research ship so it should be easy to bully them out of the area +--- 57904659 +>>57904650 +The message on the Danish broadcaster's site also refers to a press conference of the Dutch intelligence services AIVD and MIVD. They announced in February that a Russian ship tried to collect information about wind farms in the North Sea last year. + +MIVD director Swillens then said that the Russians also want to map internet cables and gas pipelines. According to the services, there were "preparatory acts for disruption and sabotage". In this case, too, it was Admiral Vladimirsky, a source told the DR. + +On the broadcaster's site, no connection is made with the attacks on gas pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Baltic Sea last year. Who was behind it is still unknown. +--- 57904671 +>>57904656 +and next to that. In the case of a conflict with NATO what would it even do? The attacks on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine have shown it only causes a minor inconvenience and Russia doesnt even have the navy to back any of this up. So all it would accomplish is a troll style "haha got you now your stuff is broken this is very expensive" kind of attack which would immediately be repelled by sinking all other russian fishing boats. +--- 57904683 +>>57904656 +Mostly because NATO is not actually at war with Russia, regardless of what Russia claims. +Also because international waters and civilian rights and similar shit that the west seem to respect. +--- 57904685 +>>57904671 +Internet cables are actually very sensitive infrastructure and you can spy on them via directly wire tapping them which russia has done in the recent past. +--- 57904714 +>>57904656 +In most countries it's still illegal to kill russians. +--- 57904732 +>>57904656 +We use to see Russian "research ships" off the coast of Naval Station Mayport all the time, just close enough to US territorial waters to where they can't get a harpoon shot up it's ass. They usually fuck off when we get close, but they always shadow us in the Caribbean and Central/South America + +We also do the same thing to Russia/China/Iran. It's just business as usual. +--- 57904734 +>>57904642 (OP) +And equip them with what? Rusted out T55s and mobiks in more meat waves with mosins? +--- 57904735 +>>57904642 (OP) +time for a few RN subs to have a few more clumsy 'accidents' and accidentally sink a few russian trawlers +--- 57904746 +>>57904671 +Well actually hitting a gas pipeline may cause some damage, you have pipelines like pic related that are vulnerable. Short term it's not likely to matter though as all military infrastructure will already have the required amount of petroleum product and any requirements can be simply taken from the civilian market. Worst case there may be limitations put on heating and you may be unable to use your car for non-work purposes. Drastic by American standards but anyone from those regions can attest to the government regularly issuing pamphlets explaining this. For decades. I think the Swedish one says "we will never surrender, any information you hear or see stating the Swedish government has surrendered is false." + +Now, internet cables? Any critical military communications will go over VHF, microwave, HF or satellite but if Russia manages to pull off the combination of a DDOS into the Nordic internet/cyber attacks to take down core routers/severing of links to Europe it could spook people into thinking the world is ending. + +From your perspective as an American bits of the internet will stop working (a lot of shit is hosted in Sweden), people will be talking about mushroom clouds/nukes/explosions in capital cities and every Russian bot account will be saying Helsinki is completely gone/captured. It'll take a few days for the dust to settle, the cables to be repaired (assuming that's possible) and connectivity to be restored. + +All of this hinges upon the ships with the mines on them not being suddenly integrated into the LRASM program the moment they leave port. +--- 57904749 +>>57904685 +Didn't the US also tap into russian seabed comm lines way back then as well? +--- 57904750 +>>57904685 +>wire tapping Public Internet +Doing this is so easy that it doesn't actually matter or is a security risk. The Internet is built upon the idea that your probably being man and the middle attacked at all times. From important things like banking and messaging to trivial shit like porn and 4Chan, everything is encrypted . +--- 57904772 +>>57904750 +Yeah it’s not clear what they’re after but the specific incident I was reading about was between London and New York so it was speculated to be financial traffic. The consensus was that it seemed a bit retarded iirc +--- 57904804 +>>57904746 +Found it, 2018. + +https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/28494.pdf + +Some quotes that, if said in the US, would have boomers protesting in the streets crying that the government wants to oppress them/turn their kids into trannies/make them gay: + +>The state can, for example, take over private property which is particularly important for total defence. + +>If Sweden is attacked by another country, we will never give up. All information claiming the resistance shall cease is false. + +>In Sweden, total defense duty applies. This means that everyone who lives here and is between 16 and 70 years old can be called in to help in various ways in the event of war. Everyone has the obligation to contribute and everyone is needed. + +>States and organizations already use misleading information today to try to influence our values and how we act. +>The best protection against false information and hostile propaganda is to be critical of the source: +>• Are they facts or opinions? +>• What is the purpose of the information? +>• Who is the sender? +>• Is the source credible? +>• Is the information available elsewhere? +>• Is the information new or old and why is it there right now? +--- 57905308 +>>57904749 +Peolle on this board still unironically thinks Russia blew up it's own pipeline. Its important to certain "users" here that we only talk about one side as if they ever engage in espionage +--- 57905349 +>>57904642 (OP) +it would be a shame if anything happened in open waters +--- 57905350 +So what we’ve learned from this is that it was DEFINITELY the French that blew up the pipelines. +--- 57905365 +>>57904714 +Really? you are weird people... +--- 57905367 +>>57904656 +tell me about him why does he wear the mask? +--- 57905373 +>>57905308 +>Russia guud boii +>didndunuffin +>whataboutamerrica +At this point everyone knows Russia blew it up, even the vatniks, same reason why they stopped talking about it instead of bringing it up at every opportunity. The only retards who still believe it are the useful idiots, who arent even allowed to be in the vatnik club house. Stop embarrassing yourself. +--- 57905389 +>>57905308 +Russians saying it wasn’t them is proof enough it was them +Also the fact that they didn’t even try to investigate it +--- 57905410 +>>57904642 (OP) +Just like they had spec ops infiltrated in Kyiv to assassinate Jewlesnky and now they're all fucking dead cause Kyiv's police and the territorial militia wiped them out, right? But now instead we'll have Tsushima 2.0 and a bunch of nuclear garbage polluting northern waters. from their sunken submarines. +--- 57905416 +>>57904804 +>if said in the US +Obsessed +>>>/r/europe +--- 57905424 +Is this supposed to be surprising? Are we pretending that NATO wouldn't do the exact same shit if a war broke out? The only difference is we already know where all their shit is, they are just trying to play catch-up. +--- 57905440 +>>57905308 +Yeah, yeah, same as with there weren't unmarked russian troops taking over Crimea, amirite? Give it a year or two and russian will go "Yes, we were it, what are you gonna do about it, bitches?" like they were nevernsaying anything else. +--- 57905507 +perfidious pozziya +--- 57905534 +>>57904642 (OP) +Ah, so now they're trying to hit the pipelines they can't send pigs through. +Y'know, some of the Nordstream explosions happened real fuckin' close to a power cable running between Sweden and Poland. I wonder if that was a test. +--- 57905559 +Remember how when the war started everyone was freaking out about Russia's ability so sabotage? Remember how absolutely nothing came of it because their entire staff is yesmen who actually suck at their job? +--- 57905567 +>>57904648 +This, not even a waring shot just shot them until there's nothing left of them. +--- 57905707 +>>57905534 +>Ah, so +>Y'know +>fuckin' +I can smell the soi through my screen. +--- 57905735 +>>57905707 +Mad because bad +--- 57905753 +>>57905735 +Cope. +--- 57905915 +>>57905753 +Mad because bad +--- 57906026 +>>57905915 +Cope. +--- 57906724 +>>57904772 +Maybe they were targeting a firm they knew had fucked up and were using awful encryption for "internal communications" across the pond +--- 57906823 +>>57904642 (OP) +>BREAKING NEWS! Russia will attack our infrastructure if war breaks out! +i hate yle so goddamn much +--- 57906860 +>>57904642 (OP) +Imagine the outrage if they killed the internet. Half a billing screaming Twitterati calling for jihad and the heads of every living R*ssian. +--- 57906877 +>>57904714 +>In most countries it's still illegal to kill russians. +They have not been tested for disease yet so cannot be eaten, even for sport. The carcass must be burned. +--- 57907081 +>>57904642 (OP) +>in case of war with NATO +Russia fucking knows that NATO is no threat to it. Otherwise they wouldn't have stripped the NATO border to push more shit into Ukraine +--- 57907136 +>>57906860 +>R*ssian +you are a worthless retard +--- 57907210 +Sounds like they need to start sinking Russian naval ships that are near internet lines and not care for the lives of those onboard. +--- 57907250 +>>57905416 +>calls others obsessed +>brings up reddit out of nowhere +--- 57907330 +>>57904642 (OP) +And nothing you lgbt faggots can do about it. +No one will fight for you nonces, in fact when we get forced to fight for globohomo! You are all dead in the suburbs! +Civil servants / police are out numbered thousands to one. +When it kicks off in the suburbs it's over. +--- 57907415 +>>57905308 +Force majeure is a convenient excuse not to deliver gas which would otherwise be a breach of contract. +--- 57907792 +>>57907250 +>brings up USA out of nowhere +>>i-i-i'm not obsessed, le you are!!!!!!! +kys retard +--- 57907982 +>>57907136 +at least I'm not r*ssian :^) +--- 57908180 +>>57904714 +I propose a new amendment to the constitutions of euro countries +>An unregulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to kill russians, shall not be infringed. +--- 57908222 +>>57905308 +Man, I'm a fucking ESL and even I find this post atrocious. Don't they give you clowns any training? +--- 57908245 +>>57904714 +That's unacceptable. I'm calling my senator. +--- 57908281 +>>57904714 +Tragic, isn't it? +--- 57908591 +>>57904714 +NGMI +--- 57908739 +>>57904642 (OP) +Thats ofof! +--- 57911059 +>>57904656 +Because the US is the only one that can actually do anything about it on our own and Russia bombing Europe's gas pipes and absolutely fucking them would be a happy ending for the US since it'd likely end Europe as a potential ally of China, or at least mean we can ignore the Atlantic side of our border for a bit. From an economic pov this means a number of companies likely moving production to the US. In a situation where basically the only nation China can rely on to back it up militarily or economically is India due to not really being effected by Europe (still some economic effects) or Russia (still some military effects due to where they source a lot of weapons from) China is basically going to have to solo the US which is never going to happen.... well the US will have Japan and Australia at minimum, Taiwan as well though they'll be stuck on the defense the entire time SK could go either way but might just sit it out to avoid NK artying the shit out of Seoul. +--- 57911096 +>>57904642 (OP) +How isn't it act of war then? Blow up the cables, trigger article 5. Very easy? +--- 57911112 +>>57904746 +>people will be talking about mushroom clouds/nukes/explosions in capital cities and every Russian bot account will be saying Helsinki is completely gone/captured +Very dangerous move to do if russia doesn't want to get glassed. +--- 57911397 +>>57904804 +There was a good BBC 4 radio programme about this, although they were looking at Singaporean adoption of the Swedish doctrine. +https://www.mindef.gov.sg/oms/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/totaldefence/about.html +--- 57911425 +>>57904804 +>if said in the US +Almost as if they are saying a well regulated militia might be of some vague benefit to the security of a free state. Just a thought. +--- 57912369 +>>57904642 (OP) +they wouldn't have time to sabotage anything, NATO would rock the russian military within a week diff --git a/k/57904709.txt b/k/57904709.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d2fcd2c0b10b1529b1f10efb71fcc94722ea03c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57904709.txt @@ -0,0 +1,570 @@ +----- +--- 57904709 +DO NOT REDEEM +--- 57904737 +>>57904709 (OP) +They... they copied this from Perun's video, didn't they? +--- 57904898 +>>57904737 +I doubt its a straight copy, they just draw from similar sources and are bringing it up because the topic has recently become more relevant. +Alternatively: Perun himself is a five eyes asset acting as part of a coordinated scheme to inoculate the public against russian disinformation by informing them of the methods and tactics it uses +--- 57904906 +It's happening + +https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/19/7398524/ +--- 57904929 +>>57904906 +nice. +or is she just talking about the bakmut reinforcements? +--- 57904977 +>>57904709 (OP) +words +--- 57905089 +>>57904906 +Doubt. Mud is still in effect. +Unless by "start" they mean grouping, prepping supplies etc. +--- 57905158 +>>57904906 +Butanov's assertions were more interesting. + +Like, that's a very bold claim my dude. +--- 57905163 +>>57905089 +She's using politician talk to say as much. +--- 57905284 +>>57905259 +--- 57905294 +>>57905265 +--- 57905333 +>>57905328 +Who's "we" exactly? You and your glavset discord? +--- 57905339 +>>57905328 +It's the first time padjeets and third world shills have been called out. And it's war related +--- 57905347 +>>57905333 +Wasted trips. +>>57905339 +If you read the sticky, it has to be weapons related. War is not mentioned at all, ESL. +--- 57905360 +>>57905347 +You reek of curry. This bong o clock is dedicated to you +--- 57905361 +>>57905339 +It's war related in the same way that Russians no longer have mcdonalds. It's not weapons. Everyone already know that Russia uses disinformation. This thread is retarded and so are you for thinking it's some kind of revelation. +--- 57905366 +>>57904709 (OP) +And they needed more than a year to realize that ? +--- 57905374 +>>57905361 +Gooood moooooorning sirrsss +--- 57905375 +>>57905361 +We’ll keep having them as long as you keep shitting the board up with your existence +--- 57905377 +>>57905374 +I'm literally an American in Ukraine. +--- 57905383 +>>57905360 +>>57905374 +Post a firearm. Post a white hand. +--- 57905388 +>>57905375 +Bro you haven't been here longer than a year. +--- 57905394 +Gotta love how updates from a single country's Ministry of Defense cause so much seething here. +Anyway who's got the decoder ring for this one? I tried it but it just said to remember to drink my Ovaltine. +--- 57905404 +>>57905383 +--- 57905407 +>>57905394 +Go back to r3ddit Ralphie. +--- 57905419 +>>57905394 +>wow these war tourists aren't even talking about the war anymore, this post is about Russian troll farms (as if that's some novel revelation) +>WOW SO MUCH SEETHE GET PWNED VATNIGS +crossboarders get the rope. Back to /pol/ with you. +--- 57905420 +>>57905407 +No, now what? +--- 57905432 +>>57905388 +Ok and? +--- 57905438 +>>57905404 +>no date/time +>serials +Embarrassing +--- 57905442 +>>57905404 +>>57905383 +Where's your gun Padjeet? +--- 57905445 +>>57905404 +>no timestamp +Discarded. +--- 57905459 +>inb4 mass reply +--- 57905464 +>>57905438 +--- 57905471 +Partial translation from bong. Someone else will need to finish +--- 57905473 +>thread is now going to be an example of what the bongs meant +Kek +--- 57905476 +>>57905442 +--- 57905499 +>>57905493 +>I was only pretending to be retarded +A tale as old as time. +--- 57905504 +>>57905493 +Indeed. This is a weapons board after all. I shit on padjeets but more on west men indoctrinated by Puccian propaganda +--- 57905520 +>>57904709 (OP) +Who has done that for them? + +Pic unrelated. Just thinking about how he revealed that the real leak documents show Ukraine taking 7:1 losses and US ground forces being directly involved in combat with, and losing to Russians. Quite the cover up! +--- 57905528 +>>57905328 +>>57905347 +It's kinda showing how these posts are non existent in the prorussian threads. +--- 57905536 +>>57905520 +Isn’t Russia themselves claiming they’re fake now? +--- 57905544 +>>57905528 +Because the vatnig threads get (justifiably) sniped almost instantly. Now if we could just shoo the rest of you crossposters back to /pol/, then the board might be usable again. +--- 57905547 +>>57905527 +But I don't have a reddit account nor these weapons are posted in reddit either. Now give me a time stamp now +--- 57905548 +>>57905527 +>I'm just pretending to be retarded +--- 57905561 +>>57905553 +I don't like being challenged. Where's the time stamp? +--- 57905578 +>>57905570 +>noguns cope +btw I succesfully derailed your thread. Enjoy, faggot. +--- 57905583 +>>57905544 +>sniped almost instantly. +I wish. Doesn't change the fact they are still missing in the 300+ post provatnik threads and it's blatant at this point after over a year. +--- 57905585 +Every time i see someone to actually capitulate to "post hands gun timestamp" i think to myself how buckbroken said poster has to be in order to convince someone that they arent a pajeet. +Somehow its even more cringe than tripfagging. +--- 57905603 +>>57905570 +No time stamp vatnik Kun? +--- 57905604 +>>57904709 (OP) +No wonder shitters want to bury this and Perun's video. They're giving away the tactics used on this very board, or indeed, this very THREAD. +--- 57905619 +>>57905595 +Ok so no time stamp and no guns. Got it. +--- 57905621 +>>57905603 +No, it’s kinda just silly you keep it up though, I’m sure you’ll...uh fuck I dunno honestly, feel smugger? Russia will still suck dicks at war though lol +--- 57905626 +>>57905619 +Nope! Ya got me, now uh...n +--- 57905631 +>>57905585 +It’s kinda sad honestly, he just keeps going +--- 57905640 +>>57905621 +All in good fun anon, all in good fun +--- 57905644 +>>57905504 +Lmao baste +--- 57905648 +>>57905634 +Ok, Russia is still AIDS capital of the planet and bad at war. +--- 57905659 +>>57905648 +That's perfectly fine. Russoids are vile creatures. Just make sure you take them all with you on your way back to your home board. +>>>/pol/ +--- 57905661 +>>57905659 +No I’ll stay here, now what? +--- 57905668 +>>57905661 +Well I'm gonna keep shitting up your stupid off topic threads until the jannies prune them. Now what? +--- 57905677 +>>57905659 +So I posted all those time stamps so you could try to derail? Go back nonguns chugger +--- 57905678 +>>57905668 +Nothing, your a single person in one thread, you’ll get bored and move on just as much as I will. +--- 57905682 +>>57904709 (OP) +--- 57905685 +>>57905682 +Classic +--- 57905694 +>>57905668 +good luck, i've heard the russians offered the jannies double their salary to look the other way +--- 57905700 +>>57905677 +This is me: >>57905476 +You were replying to some other troll this whole time. +>>57905678 +>poor English +>still seething replies +I'll take my (You)'s where I can get them. +--- 57905715 +>>57905700 +No one cares anon, it’s anonymous board, your identity means less than nothing +--- 57905722 +>>57905715 +>no one cares anon +>still replying +--- 57905730 +>jeets mad + +Country flags when?? You turd worlders simping for russia are sad sack cunts and should fuck off +--- 57905741 +>>57905730 +If you want flags so bad, go back to /pol/ you dumb eurotrash animal. +--- 57905749 +>>57905715 +I will care for your identity if you post some guns or kindly go back to /pol/ +--- 57905750 +>thread literally just became what the brits were saying they do +Lmao thank you for the example I guess, you’re eternal ass pain will live as an example to others +--- 57905752 +strange message... +--- 57905759 +>>57905749 +No I’ll just respond in a mildly mocking fashion +--- 57905763 +>>57905752 +Decoding, exactly what this thread needed +--- 57905777 +>>57905752 +--- 57905779 +>>57905752 +>dookie +Majestic +--- 57905783 +>>57905750 +I posted a timestamped gun. I proved I'm not some vatnik/pajeet troll farm employee. What's your new cope? +>>57905752 +>>57905763 +>le ebin funny meme +It's been 419 days. This shit was barely funny when it first appeared, and now it's stale and old. Take it to your hilarious /pol/ humor threads. +--- 57905786 +Ah yes, the offensive of the twitter front. Gotta get those reddit upvotes. Glad to hear the war is going well. +--- 57905797 +>>57905790 +Now what? +--- 57905799 +>>57905752 +Can someone explain how the process for making these works? I have autism and cannot comprehend the nonlinearity involved even though I'm incredibly creative in other ways. Especially the ones where there are few deletions are extremely impressive to me +--- 57905807 +>>57905799 +Just try to find funny words and phrases by removing text +--- 57905824 +>>57904709 (OP) +>thread about russian disinformation +>instantly gets flooded with off topic posts and inane shitflinging to derail it +Curious innit? + +>>57904737 +Lel, had the same thought. +--- 57905825 +>>57905807 +Is it a left to right thing with skipping? When i try I get cucked by combinatorial explosion +--- 57905829 +>>57905825 +It can be whatever you want +--- 57905835 +>>57905824 +>thread about off topic horseshit +>instantly gets flooded with turdworld crossposters +Curious innit? +--- 57905836 +>>57905824 +They have the self awareness of trees and self control of violent alcoholics +--- 57905877 +REMINDER TO ALL PUCCIAN SHILLS!!!! + +The USA could take on the entirety of the CSTO and BRICS without any direct military intervention from its own Allies/partners/NATO (though economic support, intelligence sharing, etc. would happen nonetheless so there’s no sense pretending the USA wouldn’t have it) and win… HANDILY. +But the thing is, we wouldn’t have to go it alone. The USA has many defense partners for a reason lol. + +Now for some fun facts: +(2021 GDP to follow, in USD) +GDP of China: 17.73 Trillion +GDP of all other BRICS nations (BRIS): 7 Trillion +GDP of CSTO: 2.075 Trillion (includes Puccia) +GDP of CSTO - Puccia: 296.46 Billion +GDP of America: 23.33 Trillion +GDP of Japan: 4.941 Trillion +GDP of SK: 1.811 Trillion +GDP of NATO: a fuck ton holy shit +GDP of the EU: 17.177 Trillion +GDP of Five Eyes: 30.25 Trillion +(Not bothering to do the math of subtracting USA from 5eyes or NATO lol, do it yourself vatnig, same for UK and Canada for 5is) +The USA will bury any adversary militarily, economically, and politically. +No amount of disinfo, dedollarisation cope, shilling, or seething will change that FACT +Browns lost +Turd world lost +Puccia lost +China lost +Tankie lost +Russia is lost +Commies lost +OPEC lost +Iran lost +--- 57905891 +>>57905877 +>Now for some fun facts: +You're not American. You don't own guns. You haven't been on /k/ for more than 2 years. +Cope, seethe, etc. I'm not reading all that. +--- 57905897 +>>57905891 +You can’t do anything +--- 57905910 +>>57905897 +Neither can your irrelevant turd world country. +>>57905903 +Go back. +--- 57905917 +>>57905903 +Go back then, a third worldieless /k/ is a healthy board +--- 57905927 +You newfrens are trying way too hard to fit in. +--- 57905930 +>>57904709 (OP) +so the typical john mc fry from ohio oblast? +you find a poster like him in every thread complaining that "his"taxes are going towards some money laundering operation instead of fixing the roads of "his"country.that kind of poster usually posts his faggot image folder once he loses the argument. I guess even the bongs have noticed it. +--- 57905941 +>>57905910 +No +--- 57905945 +>>57905927 +I have been here significantly longer than you, I can assure you of that. +>>57905930 +So what if I'm actually an American that's sick of hearing about stupid third worlders and their stupid third world issues? Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground? +>>57905941 +Then stop whining homo. +--- 57905985 +>muh both sides +post your folder and leave. +--- 57906000 +>>57905985 +>consneeding +I accept, don't worry. Shoo shoo now. +--- 57906006 +>>57905945 +Is that you John Oblast? +--- 57906032 +Remember + + +Knowledge is the ultimate power. + +Information is the ultimate weapon. + +The mind is the battlefield. +--- 57906034 +>>57906006 +>everyone I disagree with is a Russian shill +Anon from Virginia Oblast here. I agree with the above poster. +--- 57906051 +>>57905891 +I am American +I own a Mossberg 590 +I started browsing /k/ in winter of 2014 +kys faggot :^) +--- 57906067 +>>57906051 +>I am not American since I have no proof of it +>I own no guns +>I am a clankening fag (still better than the current crossposters I'll give you that) +kys faggot :^) +--- 57906090 +>>57906034 +Isn't your state constitutional carry? Why you got a permit? +--- 57906104 +>>57906090 +No, we have permitless open carry though. You need a permit statewide for concealed carry. Plus, the permit make you immune to handgun magazine capacity limits. +--- 57906105 +>>57905824 +Yeah, happens really every time, it's a real touchy topic for them. There were probably some alarms going off in some discords and telegram groups to create a quick reaction force. +--- 57906165 +>>57906067 +Could’t bring my gun with me in my PCS to Korea :( +Feels badman. Keep seething and sneeding though +--- 57906169 +>>57905835 +>keep bumping the thread so more people see the op anyway +great stratagem +--- 57906197 +>>57906165 +Forgot pic +--- 57906201 +>>57906034 +Why did you deleted your idiocy Erid Eno from Hampshire? +--- 57906213 +>>57906201 +Rude to dox him even if he is a 5’10” manlet (lol!) +--- 57906247 +>>57904977 +>>57905471 +breddy gud :DDDDDD +keeb it up lads :D + +>>57905750 +HAHAHAHAHAHAHA +well fugg :D +brilliant +--- 57906251 +>>57906197 +why are you posting this dude? at least convert + crop the image and rename it +--- 57906258 +>>57906213 +I posted my guns with a time stamp, but I didn't do something as retarded as posting my concealed license with a badly shopped name, height and stature. Not my fault he's retarded +--- 57906294 +>>57905404 +I don’t think anyone has replied to appreciate just how white your hand looks. A lot of /pol/ posters are pretty ruddy skinned, but that is a strong white man’s hand right there. Not to be weird or anything. Stay based anon +--- 57906308 +>>57906251 +>why are you posting this? +Read the reply chain? +>crop and convert +Why? +--- 57906340 +The Perun thread yesterday wasn’t ads full of thirdie cope and seethe as this one lol. The ratniks and their troll farms are really seething over the call outs huh? +--- 57906535 +>>57905585 +You are just fucking pathetic in your defensiveness really +>"uh oh actually backing up what they said? b-b-buckbr-br-broken..." +Enlist vatnik +--- 57906603 +What's the tactical advantage of dying for a monkey? +--- 57906638 +>>57905520 +>Pic unrelated. Just thinking about how he revealed that the real leak documents show Ukraine taking 7:1 losses and US ground forces being directly involved in combat with, and losing to Russians. Quite the cover up! +wth are you talking about +--- 57906668 +>>57905783 +May I suggest waking up on the other side of your bed tomorrow, because the one you chose today seems to have been the wrong choice. +--- 57906694 +>>57905824 +>>57906105 +We are fortunate that >>57905835 and Anons like him are so fucking stupid, because people with more subtly than half a brick with a note glued to it crashing through your living room window may have actually been able to achieve something. +--- 57906727 +>>57906578 +In an interview he says he wanted to see tourism in shitholes to see the effect of sanctions, which doesn't really effect people. He doesn't support Russia's invasions he just doesn't like how the West is going "all in" on Russia bad. +--- 57906919 +>>57905504 +Damn wtf is that handwriting? Looks soo bad it's like you wrote that with your left foot. +--- 57906974 +>>57906105 +explains the double posting of "le friendly reminder"within less than 60s.they were rushing into the thread. +--- 57906987 +>>57905730 +Unironically /k/ and /biz/ need flags so bad it’s unreal. Fuck India and fuck Indians. At the bare minimum we need post ids on /k/ +--- 57907017 +>>57906974 +Kek, I wish mods let those threads stay up, since vatnigger shills get BTFO in them almost instantly +--- 57907593 +>>57906919 +Then can I assume that now you will post your hands with a time stamp with more eloquently done hand writing? I'll be waiting +--- 57907611 +>>57905694 +>double their salary +Wait a minute... +--- 57907628 +>>57907593 +Here's one more for handwriting comparison +--- 57907633 +>>57905294 +--- 57907764 +>>57905547 +>the vatnik owns a russiaboo gun +Pottery +--- 57907817 +>>57907764 +Are you mentally ill? It's a bulgy SBR build with zenitco furniture which I had owned since 2018. Now kindly post guns +--- 57908832 +>>57905752 +Lost my shit at +>d o o k i e +--- 57909097 +>>57905694 +>russians offered the jannies double their salary +...in Rubles. So that's like not getting paid at all. + +(odd side note: The Captcha is "TAXPJS"....which I think is a bad idea. Pajamas should be duty free. Even the comfy flannel ones.) +--- 57909114 +>>57907764 +>vatnik +man you must suck at reading comprehension +--- 57909216 +>>57905945 +>Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground? +Yes. +There is more here at stake than your fucking fee fees you isolationist halfwit. +Besides, we have the opportunity to finally rid human civilization of a cancer that has been terrorizing us for more than three generations; and you have cold feet about it....because..... +...yeah, that's a good question. +Are a gullible shitwit or are you an accelerationist doomfag who needs to eat a hot load of hollowpoint? +--- 57909418 +another partial decoding +--- 57910116 +>>57909418 +--- 57910179 +>>57905783 +>I proved I'm a 5th column useful idot. +--- 57910222 +>>57905945 +>Am I still a vatnig shill +You are an useful idiot, even vatnig shills spit on you, they at least have more reason to spread their bullshit. The KGB literally called people like you shiteater, that's how much respect they had for someone like you. Make no mistake no one likes people like you, for your own you are a traitor, for the russians you are gullible idiot that's only worth is to be exploited and used. +--- 57910234 +>>57907764 +Stupid or trolling? +--- 57910796 +>>57905404 +Now use it on yourself +--- 57912017 +>>57904709 (OP) +If they could provide concrete examples instead of this vague horseshit it would be a bit more convincing. +Wow, russia is probably using propaganda during a war, truly enlightening. +--- 57912041 +>>57912017 +Anon they’ve been doing it for decades, anyone that matters knows what they mean +--- 57912332 +>>57904906 +They probably mean they are preparing for it and that they're imminent. As stated before it just snowed relative recently and everything is still muddy. +--- 57913523 +>>57910116 +the legendary rat-ration +--- 57913554 +>>57912017 +They can provide credible examples though? Fuck, anyone from /k/ who’s been here more than five minutes could post this or that Vatnik rag claiming 200% of HIMARS have been destroyed, 33% damaged, 10% sold on the black market, and 5% not working upon receipt. Same for every piece of western tech that’s been sent. It’s nonstop lies and disinfo… but you know that don’t you, since you’re just pretending to be regarded. Argument via feigned incredulity is one of the most common disinfo tactics +--- 57914393 +>>57905945 +> So what if I'm actually an American that's sick of hearing about stupid third worlders and their stupid third world issues? +Then you’ve been properly demoralized and depressed by your Russian handlers. Good cuck! +>Am I still a vatnig shill if I want both sides to burn to the ground +Yes 100%. You’re a cancerous loser nigger and you should go make a vk account and learn Russian. You have le enlightened centrist “both sides” reflexively conditioned attitude because then it allows the belligerent people that want you to die to do whatever they want to get closer to achieving that goal. + +Russia is and has been at war against you personally since 2014. Their foundations of geopolitics master plan since the 60s has been to subvert democracies by subverting the minds of the people in them, which is allegedly you. + +Your entire mindset has been conditioned by foreigners that want you to kill yourself and hey nobody is stopping you kiddo. +--- 57914419 +>>57912017 +The irony is that there’s a very good chance that this post is, in itself, an example of what they’re talking about. + +You are interacting with Russian shills and posting in threads OPed by Russian shills every day you’re here. You’re probably a Reddit fag too so you’re likely regularly engaging and interacting with posts made by Russian shills in subreddits moderated by them. + +Like there are probably at least 10 threads on the catalog right now that someone was paid idk $.11 to post or something. + +Random like The Hindustan Post articles with the source cut off saying that Ukraine is suffering from something right after it had just been reported Russia was dealing with it = a pretty concrete example bru, and you see them every day. +--- 57914510 +>>57912332 +Apparently theyve actually started down south, pushed the russians off some frontline positions around zaporizhia diff --git a/k/57904915.txt b/k/57904915.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..15d92f2f64cfbfbd4c11c969575ecfbf7604d255 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57904915.txt @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +----- +--- 57904915 +What's a good optic for a 20" AR15 in 5.56? I'm currently currently thinking of getting an LPVO (most likely a Primary Arms SLx 1-8x24), but that's because I'm unfamiliar with "ranged" optics as a whole and am sticking to what I know works. +--- 57904980 +>>57904915 (OP) +Best optic for 20" is carry handle irons just like in your pic +--- 57904985 +What is your intended use case? +Honestly you probably don't really need 1x. Start at 3x for your lowest and the optics are greatly simplified. +--- 57904994 +>>57904915 (OP) +4x carryhandle mounted acog. +The end. +--- 57905005 +>>57904915 (OP) +>>and am sticking to what I know works. +>meme arrows this +>doesn't mention acog +--- 57905902 +>>57904915 (OP) +With LPVOs, you must choose at least 2 of the following: +Heavy +Shitty reticle/glass/ilum/FOV +Expensive. + +I use a Viper Gen 2 1-6 and it weighs a fuckton. It's not that I can't carry that weight, but it substantially alters the balance and feel of a rifle. I actually had to switch to a low mount from a 1.93 because all of that weight so high up made it feel like the gun wanted to tip side to side like a double decker bus. That said, it has a very simple and easy to use reticle, a decent 1x and acceptable (if not amazing) glass. I use it mostly to hunt deer in the eastern woodlands and it's totally adequate. My main defensive gun has a red dot though. +I don't know all of Primary Arms' 5 gajillion SKUs, but one thing you need to keep in mind with a BDC reticle like PA uses is that's ultimately going to be set up for a specific barrel length and load. For example, a lot of BDCs on cheaper optics nowadays are set up for 16" guns with M193 or 55gr 223, because that's what poorfags shoot. +You can still use it with your gun if it's not the same setup, but you need to use something like Strelok and practice at variable distances to get your various holds down, because it won't match the manual. + +Like other anons mentioned, you may really want to consider an ACOG. They are expensive compared to cheap LPVOs like the PA stuff and my Viper, but I can tell you from experience that you are getting way more optic for your dollar. They are seriously light and the glass is fantastic for the price. Your classic ACOG, the TA31, does have a very small eyebox, but what it gets from that sacrifice is a fucking massive FOV that IMO makes it easier to use out to like 300-400yd than my 6x, especially paired with the BDC and the glass clarity. The highest tier LPVOs might outperform it, but they're going to cost you a hell of a lot more than an ACOG and they're going to be a lot heavier. Trijicon also hasmany SKUs including for 20" rifles with whatever bullet weight you need. +--- 57906055 +>>57905902 +Apparently for lpvos you shouldn’t go anything over 1-6x because it is really stretching the ratio of what the glass can achieve. The next step up would be 2.5-10x. Just use a red dot or fixed prism on an a4 since that fsp I mad annoying on anything lower than 3x +--- 57906088 +>>57906055 +I've handled some cheaper 1-8xs and it was fine, but yeah you're ultimately going to be getting less optic quality for your money than similarly priced 1-6x. Complexity and features costs money to fit into a product and ultimately a fixed mag prism optic or red dot is going to give you a lot more for what you're paying. That said, I don't think any of the budget prisms really hold a candle to ACOGs, even at less than half the price. + +"MPVOS" are a meme but on more precision oriented rifles I can see the appeal especially out west. +--- 57906094 +>>57904915 (OP) +Slap it up, slap it down, no time for a rebound. Get what you need, and never look back. +--- 57906395 +primary arms 3x prism +--- 57906416 +>>57904915 (OP) +Eotech +--- 57906795 +>>57906416 +>battery dies in 2 weeks of being in a combat zone where your rifle isn’t stationary 90% of the time +--- 57908183 +>>57904994 +>4x carryhandle mounted acog. +>>57905005 +>>doesn't mention acog +>>57905902 +>consider an ACOG. They are expensive compared to cheap LPVOs like the PA stuff and my Viper, but I can tell you from experience that you are getting way more optic for your dollar. +>>57906088 +>I don't think any of the budget prisms really hold a candle to ACOGs, even at less than half the price. +>>57904915 (OP) +That's why you should go with pic rel. ;) +--- 57908521 +>>57904915 (OP) +Trijicon TA31A4, with a top mounted RMR for The Best Optics setup for the Best Barrel Length +--- 57910264 +>>57904994 +Can I use a TA02 on a 20" ar? All of the LED ACOGs have BDCs for 16" barrels, but don't want an RMR in the way of nods. +--- 57913638 +Bump +--- 57913792 +>>57906795 +>replaces it + +What now? +--- 57915054 +>>57904915 (OP) +I'd like to go for something higher power for my next 20in build than an lpvo, but I don't know what that would be. diff --git a/k/57904978.txt b/k/57904978.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6395e4fc4f66acb1c700c7c03ea67386ca77fc7a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57904978.txt @@ -0,0 +1,283 @@ +----- +--- 57904978 +Did you know the US Navy relies on mechanically steered, analogue illuminators for it's inventory of overwhelmingly semi-active missiles? +--- 57904995 +You'rebrown.jpg +--- 57904998 +>>57904978 (OP) +That's cap, the US Navy wouldn't be so reliant on a system that can't deal with multi-axis saturation attacks or threads below the horizon or behind terrain. +--- 57904999 +Yes, because this EXACT thread has already been made multiple time. +The original one had a pretty long discussion, you should check it out. +--- 57905008 +>>57904998 +It's true, like 90%+ of the inventory are semi-active missiles and we don't have the same beamforming illumination like you find in Euro navies. We also haven't gotten round to having a full suite of active radar guided missiles because it's too expensive. +--- 57905018 +>>57904999 +It's quite important that people know the USN relies on non fire and forget weapons for it's fleet defence. How will it ever improve if you don't accept there is a problem? +--- 57905021 +>Unlike Block 1, Block 2's active radar homing seeker will support terminal engagement without the launch ship's target illumination radars. The upgraded blast-fragmentation warhead was designed, developed and is being produced by Roketsan. The improved ESSM Block II will be fielded by the US Navy from 2020. + +Oh wow it's nothing +--- 57905054 +>>57905021 +They are deployed in double digit numbers and make up a minuscule part of the inventory. Most ships haven't even had the updates to use them. +--- 57905074 +You're fucking gay as usual OP. Peak oil schizo and his riveted construction screeching was more entertaining than you'll ever be. This is now a Bolo thread, post supertanks and why you want to command them and/or cum in their reactors. +--- 57905134 +>>57905074 +rest in peace peak oil schizo, he sacrificed himself so we wouldn't die in 6 months +--- 57905135 +>>57905074 +>Peak oil schizo +i kinda miss him, warriortard, and that diasporanigger Dennis aren't as entertainign +--- 57905152 +>>57905074 +When I was a kid I told my grandfather (who served in Iraq as a gunnery sergeant attached to an artillery battery) that countries should make tanks so big they required escalations to nuclear weapons to defeat. In my mind, this would force enemy nations to either break the nuclear prohibition, justifying a counterforce strike, or roll over because they have no other counter. +He told me I was a stupid fucking kid, because obviously building giant artillery guns was the better choice. He then described something like massive hardened railway system desjgned to transport and protect a fleet of Schwerer Gustav-sized railguns. Each one had it's own nuclear reactor to power the railgun itself and it's own locomotive unit. His air defense solution was to replace the railguns with massive laser batteries on some of the trains. +In hindsight we were both fucking stupid, but autism is genetic so at least I have no doubt we're related. +--- 57905155 +Seethe +--- 57905164 +>>57905018 +Fuck you're a bot aren't you? +--- 57905167 +>>57904978 (OP) +Why the hell isn't "warriortard" in the list of reportable offenses? +--- 57905170 +>>57905152 +aren't most cold war era tanks basically nuke-proof? +i remember a story about one aussie tank getting used as a target and afterwards it was just repaired and kept in service for like 20 years +--- 57905191 +>>57905018 +It doesn't. SPG-62 is required for the older SM-2 family semi active missiles. The newer SM-3 and Sm-6 do not require it as they are active radar homing. + +It also doesn't need to illuminate the target for the missile's entire flight. Just the terminal phase. So more SM-2s can be in flight than there are antennas. +--- 57905197 +>>57905170 +found it +>Centurion 169041 is likely the only tank in history to have been hit by an atomic blast and not only survive, but fight in combat afterwards. +>This tough old tank was designed to fight the Germans in WWII, but proved itself capable of standing up to a nuclear bomb too. + +>This particular Centurion was subjected to a 10 kiloton nuclear bomb from a distance of around 400 meters in the Australian Outback. Test crews returned expecting to find pieces of what was once a Centurion scattered around the site, but they were shocked to the tank in one piece and still functional. + +>Centurion 169041’s unique distinction of living through the test was reflected by its well earned nickname: The Atomic Tank. +--- 57905200 +>>57905054 +Almost 400 were purchased in FY22/23/24 + +Double digit my ass +--- 57905213 +>>57905170 +>>57905197 +This was very cool, thanks for sharing. My adolescent self was thinking the tank being so large would let it carry armor so ridiculously thick it couldn't be penetrated by conventional means, forcing your enemy to drop a nuke directly on it. I abandoned the idea after reading a Popular Science article on Project Thor, because obviously that's the only possible issue with the concept. +--- 57905229 +>>57905054 +You don't know that and can't know that. Unclassified procurement info only tells you how many Standard Missiles the Navy procures each year but not what type. They also procure upgrade kits for existing missiles but again further information isn't given. You are just guessing. + +SM's all share the same body so you can't even tell which variant one is from a distance. That also means older missiles can be upgraded to a new standard by swapping the appropriate modules. IE: Going from SM-2ER BlkIV to SM-6 involves swapping the guidance and warhead sections. picrel + +SM-2ER Blk4 dates to 1999 and has been replaced by SM-6. I doubt they've all been converted, SM-2's are launched all the time. But hundreds, if not more, have been. +--- 57905608 +>>57905229 +He was talking about ESSM block 2, not SM-3/6. +--- 57906227 +>>57905200 +>>57905054 + +Yea, ESSM procurement figures aren't classified. The FY23 navy weapons budget says the navy had in its possession ~120 block 2 ESSMs, full rate production deliveries start in 2025 where the Navy expects 250+ block 2 ESSM deliveries every year. + +So we already have triple digit block 2 ESSMs in storage with hundreds more being delivered every year starting in 2025. +--- 57906262 +>>57905054 +Why would you claim something that can be disproven so readily? Like, did you think no one else had an internet connection? What is actually wrong with you? Why are you here? +--- 57906311 +>>57904995 +--- 57906392 +>>57904978 (OP) +Is this the same Chink who is always going on about aesa duel band radars? Do you get your talking points from somebody or are you actually this retarded? + +>thing is old +>china make new thing +>conveniently forget that new chink ssn is somehow has a worse acoustic signature than soviet tubs from the 80s despite being deployed in 2006 + +What is the point of this chink? Old systems linger during peacetime while new iterations are developed, because the US forces are massive and shit costs money. +--- 57906435 +>>57906262 +These people don't think like you. They perceive reality differently. It's not about facts or having the cognisance to realize others have the ability to look things up and can probably tell when something is blatantly bullshit. They're in a constant state of survival mode, mentally frantic and desperate to make others think how they want, lest their weakness be revealed to all. Every waking moment for them is compromised of subterfuge, disingenuity, gaslighting and simply outright lying. They are a mentally and spiritually broken people. + +What I'm trying to say is, they're Chinks. +--- 57906554 +>>57905018 +>>57904978 (OP) +>>57905008 +I'm super fucking glad this is what our adversaries think and believe. +--- 57906564 +>>57906227 +Yeah that's still a tiny portion of the arsenal +--- 57906582 +>>57906564 +So you've lied and are moving the goalposts now? Good to know chang. +50 cents +--- 57906597 +>>57906435 +can anyone explain the Chinese psychotic fixation with face? they go so far focusing on how others perceive them that it often backfires and they don't even realize it... +--- 57906639 +>>57905018 +What do you mean? Navy relies on AIM120 and soon AIM260 for fleet defense +--- 57906702 +>>57906564 +The total storage is ~1076 total, 126 (as of FY21) were block 2. In FY22 we got 108 more Block 2 and then in FY23 we got 136 block 2. + +FY 24 is projected to procure 147, then full rate production for block 2 begins in 2025 where it jumps to 291 and then 280 in FY26 with it going to 300+ in FY27 and FY28 + + +So as of right now in mid 2023, we SHOULD have ~300-400 ESSM block 2s, which is ~25%+ of the total ESSM storage and should easily replace all Block 1's in storage within 3 years. +--- 57906712 +>>57904998 +>>57905008 +Very organic posting +--- 57906723 +>>57906597 +Absolutely retarded amounts of insecurity. Like, you literally cannot fathom the degree. +--- 57906738 +>>57906392 +It’s the British guy that’s mad about HIMARS and stinger doing well in Ukraine. +--- 57906752 +>>57906702 +Also remember, as more active missiles are deployed, fewer semi-active missiles are sharing the directors. +--- 57906762 +>>57906738 +Why would a limey be upset over that +--- 57906793 +>>57906762 +He got mad about the rapier scandal being brought to light +--- 57906802 +>>57906597 +I think its because their warrior class got fucked so early, so honest violence was replaced by bureaucratic bullshit and the government murdered anybody who wouldn't bow down for centuries at a time. The mongols aren't like this, even the Japs aren't like this. It's probably worse now than it was in 1900. Remember first the wars killed everyone brave enough to stand up and fight, then the government culled everybody who displayed even a hint of self actualization outside of the party doctrine. So via a combination of inherent genetic predisposition and the culture it created we have this, and the ones that come onto western boards are naturally those who either get paid to be faggots or do it for free. + +You can't have an agrument about the relative merits of small chink API subs, or how the terminal guidance of missiles might hypothetically work given what information we have about them, or how doctrine might be employed. If the chink weapon isn't a 100% perfect hard kill of the target then you are obviously a delusional kike-lover or something. +--- 57906824 +>>57905008 +>euro navies +>1/10 the total displacement at best, 1/50 more often +>update ordinance stockpiles faster +No...impossibru! +--- 57906881 +>>57904978 (OP) +Mhhhm. What is wrong with it? +--- 57906882 +>>57906392 +I'm OP and i'm american. I just get really mad about non fire and forget weapons in 2023 so that's 90% of the USN inventory. +--- 57906892 +>>57906882 +I’m in the same boat. That’s why the starstreak is so bad +--- 57906926 +>>57906892 +Yeah, but at least startreak etc doesn't have to deal with a radar horizon. That's a big deal at sea when missiles are coming your way. every manpad in existence is pretty short ranged and for use on line of sight targets only. +--- 57906954 +>>57906926 +US had aircraft intercepting missiles far behind the radar horizon back in the day when there was no other option. It doesn't seem to be a problem now either. +--- 57906976 +>>57906926 +That’s no excuse to field a non fire and forget missile in 2023. +--- 57906990 +>>57906976 +Barely anyone uses the starstreak anyway. Most nations field superior fire and forget MANPADS +--- 57907030 +>>57906976 +Yeah, i mean the whole US navy is like 90% semi-active +--- 57907049 +>>57907030 +I know it’s a damn shame. 100% of British MANPADS aren’t fire and forget it’s a tragedy +--- 57907056 +>>57907048 +pol is rotting your brain. + +>>57907049 +you appear to be in the wrong thread, we're talking about the US navy, has someone upset you? +--- 57907059 +>>57906882 +>that's 90% of the USN inventory +Literally how? + +As was pointed out earlier, SM-3 and SM-6 don't need illumination. ESSM Block 2 doesn't need illumination. + +So what is 90% of the navy stocks that you're imagining NEEDS illumination for terminal guidance? + + +Pic related, the navy should have ~480 Block 2 ESSMs with ~1,500 total ESSMs. Another 147 Block 2 were delivered this year, and going to 300+ deliveries per year in 2027+ +--- 57907075 +>>57907056 +Oh I was just agreeing with your assessment of non fire and forget missiles that you mentioned here>>57906882 . It made me think of when I found out that all British MANPADS lacked fire and forget capability. A damn shame the brits are usually pretty spot on but they really dropped the ball with MANPADS +--- 57907091 +>>57906597 +Same reason they eat or snort dust made from every endangered species known to man to try to make their limp micro dicks work for once. +Generations and generations of insecurity and coping over past "performance". +It's basically "fake it until you make it" on a cultural scale. +--- 57907101 +>>57907059 +I love that this gets published so there isn't any guessing. The US government is corrupt as hell yet still more transparent and organized than any other in the world. +--- 57907123 +When I learned that JASSM beat storm shadow in trials and export sales I was taken aback +--- 57907137 +>>57907056 +Bitch I was on /pol/ when it was /new/, I can hate whomever please for whatever reasons I please be they justified or petty. + +Pic is kinda related but I mostly just like the figure. +--- 57907168 +>>57907123 +Storm shadow was never meant for export +--- 57907176 +>>57907123 +Storm Shadow is only integrated on Tornado, Typhoon, Mirage, and Rafale. + +JASSM is integrated on F-15, F-16, F/A-18, and F-35 in a few years. + +So unless you fly European fighters, and you're not going to pay for integration on an American jet, you'll just buy JASSM. + +UK might decide to pay for F-35 integration for storm shadow, but it's unlikely. +--- 57907230 +>>57907176 +>2nd rate missile only works on 2nd rate planes +It was doomed to fail +--- 57907365 +>>57904978 (OP) +>mechanically steered, analogue illuminators +yeah the Moskva didn't do so well +--- 57907384 +>>57904978 (OP) +>>57905008 +why are you replying to yourself? how strange +--- 57907405 +>>57907384 +I just found out about Dieppe raid +>>57907260 → +>>57907260 → +>>57907260 → +--- 57908013 +>>57906762 +Don't mind him it's just warriortard seething as per usual. +--- 57910574 +>>57907059 +--- 57913922 +>>57905197 +They left the tank idling for the test and when they recovered it, the fuel tanks were dry, meaning the engine had kept running despite a nuclear bomb going off 400m away. +--- 57914006 +>>57906597 +> Chinese psychotic fixation with face +don't tell anyone but Chinese people can't tell-each-other apart either so you have to use your reputation to establish individuality rather than your features +--- 57914374 +>>57906597 +>can anyone explain the Chinese psychotic fixation with face? +It's amerimutt ignorance. +Face saving culture is a japanese/ korean thing. Chinese always pick interest over face. +--- 57914411 +>>57914374 +>it's amerimutt ignorance +>posts ignorant cringe +nihao caillou, don't talk about cultures you don't understand +or guess what's the difference between 臉 / 面子 +stupid faggot +--- 57914445 +>>57904978 (OP) +Armatard/warriortard thread. diff --git a/k/57905202.txt b/k/57905202.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b68e1fdd32611147dff8f00c944cf27933a59c7e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905202.txt @@ -0,0 +1,242 @@ +----- +--- 57905202 +M-55S + M2 Bradley combo +--- 57905206 +>>57905202 (OP) +>you will see vatniks killed by this soon +--- 57905219 +>>57905202 (OP) +The universe is healing. +--- 57905239 +Chadsneed target practice)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) +--- 57905245 +>>57905202 (OP) +Absolute fucking kino +--- 57905289 +God damn I'm going to be seriously heartbroken when I inevitably see one of M-55S destoryed. They're like beautiful rare endemic animal species which you know will die out in your lifetime but it still makes you sad. What a magnificient beast. +--- 57905306 +>>57905289 +>M-55S +https://files.catbox.moe/h4p9nt.mp4 +--- 57905362 +>>57905306 +Wow never saw this footage. +Truly on of the most aesthetic tanks in of all times +--- 57905369 +>>57905289 +im so worried ukraine is gonna squander them +--- 57905376 +>>57905206 +Until they get spotted by our kornets from 4km away. +like shooting ducks in a barrel +--- 57905384 +>>57905206 +It's a good time to be alive after all. +--- 57905385 +>>57905376 +>4km +Kek’d +--- 57905402 +>>57905376 +>4km + +Seethe, third worldlet. +--- 57905913 +>>57905306 +--- 57905982 +>>57905913 +>>57905202 (OP) +Fuck it's so cute +--- 57905992 +M55 is an ugly bitch +--- 57905997 +>>57905202 (OP) +Sexual! +--- 57906008 +>>57905202 (OP) +Based +--- 57906123 +>>57905202 (OP) +The M-55S turrets with their add on armor look like tinier version of Abrams turrets. Cute. +--- 57906778 +>>57905913 +>Cargo cult slat armor that's gonna do fuck all since the spacings are clearly incorrect +--- 57906811 +>>57906778 +you dumb shit, that's EXACTLY how you use slat armor +--- 57906832 +>>57905376 +>our kornets +Yea they're gonna fly all the way from africa for the summer or wherever Sgt. Assfistov sold them a decade ago. +--- 57906901 +>>57906811 +you dont know how statistical armor works sorry +--- 57906916 +>>57905369 +There's not much to squander. It's a shitty tank. +--- 57906970 +>>57905376 +>4km +Hahaha, fucking Russians man +--- 57907001 +>>57906901 +>statistical armour vs stochastic ATGMs +who wins +--- 57907002 +>>57906811 +You are the dumb shit +pic related is not going to work at all except add weight. Dumb apes just thought it looked cool to add without understanding how slat armor works +--- 57907023 +>>57907002 +Proper slat armor requires proper spacing between the slates and the profile of the slat being very thing so that it minimizes the chance of the fuse hitting it (which would make the armor ineffective) +--- 57907036 +>>57907002 +retard +--- 57907051 +>>57907036 +That precisely proves my point you dumb fagot. +The piezoelectric fuze goes into the gap between the slats while the warhead hits the slats and destroy the warhead. +The ape slats clearly aren't going to do this since they are spaced too close and angled for some reason to minimize the gap between the slats even more, giving a nice surface for a round to fuze and form a shaped charge jet +--- 57907053 +>>57905376 +Why couldn’t Kornets stop ten T-64s from collapsing the entire Kharkiv front? +--- 57907096 +>>57905376 +you are a worthless retard +--- 57907158 +>>57905376 +>russia has zero modern lightweight top attack ATGMs +bruh, they are so fucked, I'm afraid for them +--- 57907278 +>>57905376 +>ko-ko-ko-ko-kornet +--- 57907444 +I am still baffled by this arrangement. +Unless its some sort of evening out the firepower between the brigades and relying on TOWs for anti-tank work. +--- 57907561 +>>57907498 +Vulnerable to who? Russia couldn't beat NATO even if 80% of NATO's armored vehicles were gone +--- 57907591 +>>57907498 +lol +lmao even +--- 57907620 +>>57907444 +There's a lot of bradleys and not that much nato-standart tanks, so since m55 is nato standart, they got paired up with bradleys +--- 57908420 +>>57907498 +Not a single NATO plane or ship has fired a single missile. Look up how many there are. The shit that has so far been given to Ukraine isn't even 1% of total NATO AFV stocks and it stopped Russia cold. When you read headlines like "Germany can't afford to send more tanks" or "Lithuania has dangerously depleted its stockpile of ATGMs by donating them to Ukraine" that only means that NATO countries actually care about having their units fully equipped at all times and procurement procedures are done by the book and take some time. + +If Russia had the suicidal and hilarious idea to ever attack a NATO member that all goes out the window. Just the south-eastern flank of NATO (Turkey, Greece, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria, etc.) make about as many guns, IFVs and shells as Russia. Then you have the center (Poland, Slovakia, etc.) Then the north-east: Finland, Norway, the Baltics. Don't foget the rear: the whole rest of Europe. And then, across the ocean the fucking US. Barring nukes, Russia couldn't beat NATO if everyone gave them 6 months of uncontested air-raids as a freebie. +--- 57908432 +>>57905202 (OP) +When the IFV it's bigger than the mbt +--- 57908461 +>>57908432 +>ifv has to fit 8 dudes inside +>tank doesnt +simple as +--- 57908503 +>>57905202 (OP) +>M-55s: I never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an Amerimutt. +>Bradley: What about side by side with a friend? +>M-55s: дa. I can do that. +--- 57908511 +>>57908461 +Correction, it has to fit 8 AMERICANS inside +--- 57908583 +>>57905376 +>our kornets +--- 57908625 +>>57905376 +>like shooting ducks in a barrel +What? The fuck's that mean? +--- 57908643 +>>57905202 (OP) +>M-55S + M2 Bradely combo +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07PpcCt90TY [Embed] blaring over the latest mumble-rap over comms. +--- 57908655 +>>57907444 +>I am still baffled by this arrangement. +Unless its some sort of evening out the firepower between the brigades and relying on TOWs for anti-tank work. +I suspect this might be the case. 105mm with modern sabot could kill a lot of tanks in use in the war, but it gets trickier when you start talking about more armored T-80 or T-90 tanks. So teaming the 105mm armed guns with IFV's with modern TOW 2 that can turn any Soviet derived tanks turret into a satellite seems sensible. +--- 57908667 +>>57905992 +Literally kill yourself +--- 57908689 +>>57908625 +the ducks would just fly out of the barrel and you'd be shooting at an empty barrel while the ducks shit all over you and fly off to fuck your wife. +--- 57908691 +>>57905992 +My T-55 can sexually identify as a Crusader all it wants! +>Verification not required. +--- 57908701 +>>57908689 +>fuck your wife +Thank god I'm a single college student then. +>Verification not required. +--- 57908708 +>>57908655 +if T-64, T-72, Leopards and Challengers go first then M-55s won't have to care about advanced Russian tanks waiting for them +--- 57908745 +>>57905202 (OP) +Russia is going to lose Donbass and Crimea, Ukraine might even Annex Belgorod and Rostov as reparations. +--- 57908797 +>>57905202 (OP) +>still muddy +This faggot terrain better dry out soon, reporting on how much square footage of an apartment was taken today is Bakhmut is boring as shit. +>>57905992 +Objectively wrong. +--- 57908820 +>>57908797 +Isn't time in favor of ukraine? +--- 57908888 +M-55S a cute. +--- 57908947 +>>57908745 +>T-55S (Slovakia) +apparently not even other slavs can tell slovenia and slovakia apart. +--- 57908991 +>>57908745 +>touching Russian territory +You really think america will allow its slaves to do it when de-escalation is your big strategy? +--- 57909286 +>>57908947 +One wants to be Austria, other don't wants to be Hungary. +--- 57910974 +>>57907444 +>>57908655 +Yup its pretty simple, the Bradleys do any antiarmor work needed while the T-55s are basically assault guns slinging HE at trenches/bunkers. +--- 57912688 +>>57905202 (OP) +I NEVER thought I would see T-55s and Bradley's fighting along side each other! +--- 57912714 +>>57908888 +checked. +The M-55S is almost a perfect mix of West and East. Its like those Mil 24 helos that the west upgraded, just perfect. +--- 57912895 +>>57908888 +BEST T55 +--- 57913011 +>>57908991 +If Ukraine decides to attack Russian soil (which it arguably has already), it'll be as a sovereign nation and not as a 'slave'. Contrary to your addled serf-mentality, alliances can be formed between peers as a form of cooperation instead of subordination. +--- 57913063 +>>57912688 +I never thought I'd see tankies bonding with fascists in licking Russia's boots either. Just goes to show that when the chips are down, ideology vanishes and true character prevails. +--- 57913120 +>>57908888 +looks like a russian tank +why can americans only copy not create? +--- 57913211 +>>57913120 +--- 57913278 +>>57913120 +That's because it IS a Russian tank that's been refitted by Slovenia with upgraded armour and a British L7 gun. The real question you should be asking is why Russia seems to be sending bare-bones stock T-55s to Ukraine. +--- 57913442 +>>57905202 (OP) +Killing Russians is the only thing all the world powers can agree on. +--- 57913503 +If we could get M60s, Chieftains, and S-Tanks in this war it'd be a perfect recap of all the cold war battles that were supposed to happen. +--- 57913750 +>>57913278 +This. Slovenia dumped on Ukraine their tanks from nineties, hoping that they can get something better in return. Puccia is sending on Ukraine tanks last time deployed to suppress the Hungarian uprising. diff --git a/k/57905311.txt b/k/57905311.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..50c9c4ec6444fb337bf8b37833508a704f98d832 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905311.txt @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +----- +--- 57905311 +How will it be used? How do you expect it to perform. What are the Ukrainian Marines up to? +--- 57905329 +>>57905311 (OP) +River crossings, maybe a Gopnipoli on Crimea +--- 57905340 +Honestly I don't think this will be super useful for the coming offensive. Ukies don't really need to snipe shitty T-62s from the distance, they need heavily armoured shit to break through the lines and wreak havoc on the entrenched mobiks. +Frogs should've sent Leclercs instead. +--- 57905353 +>>57905329 +Is it amphibious? +--- 57905364 +>>57905353 +No, I’m just retarded +--- 57905378 +>>57905364 +>Uses 4chan +>Retarded +Checks out +--- 57905396 +>>57905353 +That would be the AMX-10P: +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-10P +(Entirely different and tracked vehicle, don't get confused by the same sounding name) +--- 57905428 +>>57905311 (OP) +The boys want to go FAST +--- 57905450 +>>57905353 +>>57905396 +AMX-10RC is amphibious, or I should say was. The tanks given to the Ukrainians have extra armor mounted which removes the meme capability +--- 57905458 +>>57905340 +The french can barely support their existing Leclerc, I don't think they can make new one for the ukies in time. The amx10 was perfect for France to give since it was going to be replaced so they can give away all their arsenal and spare part. +--- 57905485 +>>57905450 +Yeah, i'm retarded. + +t. >>57905396 + +And the AMX-10 RC is a wheeled version of the AMX-10, for whatever weird reason it wont allow me to delete >>57905396. +--- 57905500 +>>57905311 (OP) +>How will it be used? +scouting, exploiting breakthroughs, and supporing infantry as an assault gun. I should do well as long as they don't try to use it like a tank +--- 57905505 +>>57905311 (OP) +I think it will mainly see use as recon who can maybe lob a shell or two over once it gained intel. + +It doesnt really have staying power and with the front being so static right now. + +Tho i could see them being employeed as part of a fast spearhead in an AT role, since you wont find T-90s and friends deep behind the line should a breakthrough be achieved (but they are not the once who will cause the breakthrough, you need real steel like Leos or abrahms for that), where it will be mainly be employed against logistics and museum aged tanks +--- 57906040 +>>57905329 +>Gopnipoli +--- 57906074 +>>57905311 (OP) +Better than nothing. But +>unstabilized +>105mm +How good is the cannon, can it take out T-72s? +--- 57906102 +>>57906074 +Mobility kill from the right angle is possible. +--- 57906137 +I expect them to be pressed into roles better suited for tanks, and them to suffer extremely high losses. +--- 57906816 +>>57906102 +Anything is possible with the magic of cartboard filled ERA and the t-72s massive weakspots. +--- 57906898 +>>57905311 (OP) +>AMX-10RC +First, it should be modernized properly. +--- 57906928 +qrf fire support +--- 57906958 +>>57905505 +>since you wont find T-90s and friends deep behind the line should a breakthrough be achieved + +Those 25 mm frankenguntrucks will chew up an AMX-10RC easily, +--- 57906959 +My gut feeling says they'll try to ford the Dnieper when everyone's distracted +And you know how it is with the gut +--- 57907134 +>THE 10RC IS BAD AND USELESS BECAUSE IN WAR THUNDER IT CAN'T STOP APFSDS HITS IN THE FRONT UPPER PLATE +Children and noguns, begone. +--- 57907146 +>>57907134 +no one is saying that retard, it's just a fact that it's not very well protected even vs autocannons. +--- 57907153 +>>57906958 +The 10RC can spot them and engage them well beyond their reach. +It has thermals. Russian APCs/IFVs do not for well over 90% of them. +--- 57907187 +>>57907146 +The base version can stop 23 mm AP at less than 300m and 14.5 mm from all sides. +The RCR has additionnal armor plates. +So yes, people complain because "WHAT IF IT'S FIGHTING CLOSE RANGE WITH OTHER VEHICLES?????" + +Apart from T-64/T-72, no vehicule currently fielded by Ukraine would fare well against close range autocannon fire. You're all a bunch of retards. Not only that but you have zero idea on how to employ such vehicles on a battlefield. +--- 57907203 +>>57906898 +--- 57907434 +>>57907187 +I guess your dumb ass doesn't realize the Bradley's base M2A2 armor is already good enough to stop 30mm Russian? +--- 57907727 +>>57907434 +Whoa, the second upgrade of the Bradley gave it the ability to stop 30mm at engagement ranges? +Damn amazing my nigger. +Yet again, no word on you having zero idea on how to employ such vehicle on a battlefield as you now even try to compare it to the Bradley, an IFV meant to fight at close range. +That's the entire point of the 10RC having good optics and thermals, so it can spot and engage those vehicles well beyond any autocannon's effective range. +Complaining about a vehicle not being able to carry out a mission it was never intended for is very niggerlicious. +--- 57907753 +To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the AMX-10RC. The concept is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical tactics most of its uses will go over a typical general's head. There's also 10RC's wheeled outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his tactical philosophy draws heavily from WW2 mechanised cavalry units, for instance. The french understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these tactics, to realise that they're not just kinetic- they say something deep about WAR. As a consequence people who dislike the AMX-10RC truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the concept in 10RC's proprietary caliber "105x527R" which itself allows to fire 105mm shells from such a light hull. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux's genius wit unfolds itself on their twitter feeds. What fools.. how I pity them. + +And yes, by the way, i DO have an AMX-10RC tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the boys' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid +--- 57907805 +>>57907753 +Based. +--- 57907898 +>>57907727 +You're so stupid it's painful. As if any IFV from the west doesn't have thermals, and as if the bradley didn't kill more T-72's in the gulf than the abrams did, with missiles, from concealment and range, with it's thermal sights. It's okay, you like french baguette in your ass, that doesn't mean more capable vehicles aren't more capable. +--- 57907915 +>>57907898 +Very low IQ post. +--- 57907939 +I love wheeled vehicles with big guns +--- 57907971 +>>57907939 +--- 57908721 +>>57907939 +--- 57908953 +>>57906074 +It ain't an L7, it's a low pressure gun, it ain't compatible with normal NATO ammo +--- 57910720 +I just hope we will get kino footage in the future. +--- 57911168 +>>57907939 +>>57907971 +>>57908721 +Are these more effective than tanks? They're bigger. +--- 57913951 +>>57905340 +>Ukies don't really need to snipe shitty T-62s from the distance + +They have the current world record for doing exactly this. +--- 57914727 +>>57911168 +Depends on the environment. + +Lots of roads and flat dry ground to cover? +Yes +Mud and hills with no roads? +No +--- 57914779 +>>57907753 +You know I have been looking up field guns pre Canon de 75 model 1897 and now see the genius of the De Bange 90 mm cannon and QF 18-pounder guns. +--- 57914892 +>>57905311 (OP) +https://litter.catbox.moe/b5aa6x.mp4 +This, but with turret tosses instead of superficial damage and an external fuel fire. When the Russian lines break the AMX-10s place is driving around in their rear echelons with enough firepower to destroy any flanked position or retreating convoy encountered, not just the soft targets. + +A big upgrade to BTR-4 or Yuri's AT-4 Humvee. +--- 57914896 +it will be used as target practice by the russian side. +xaxaxa diff --git a/k/57905643.txt b/k/57905643.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c1ffa3ec902dab2715c454ca5cded697fd4a18c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905643.txt @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +----- +--- 57905643 +What do these new ukie tactical signs mean? +--- 57905676 +20 twinks on board +--- 57905683 +>>57905643 (OP) +Exclusive tops on board, looking for bottoms +--- 57905719 +>>57905643 (OP) +>---> Belgorod this way, 20 km to go +--- 57905744 +Russian genocide soon +--- 57905745 +>>57905728 +Lmao Russia is losing and will lose to trannies and faggots. +--- 57905795 +>>57905676 +>>57905683 +>>57905728 +wow pajeet russian bots are on high alert and very fast today +something happened? +--- 57905802 +>>57905643 (OP) +20 boys 1 cup. +--- 57905814 +>>57905795 +Yeah, new video today of Russians getting raped in Bakhmut +>>57904641 → +so they are trying to derail every single thread now. +--- 57905816 +>>57905795 +>no one has every made a homosexual joke about armed forces +>certainly not on /k/ +>this must be the perfidious Russian +--- 57905846 +>>57905816 +oh yeah the fast tranny spam is totally organic and just a joke bro, we are having fun here +I apologize I don't want to ruin the mood then :). +--- 57905860 +What they stand for is the Nazi genocide of the Russian “people” (merited). I applaud their brave stand and urge all civilized peoples to spill zigger blood at once. +--- 57905863 +>>57905846 +Twinks aren't trannies. I love twinks. Now go cry. +--- 57905871 +>>57905846 +Yeah the guy who posted the image was probably a vatnik. I however was making an easy dick joke. Like the ones your girl makes when you get all three inches up after your second viagra. Don’t worry anon, I don’t really think that, I’m sure you’re a virile man. I’m sure you’re full of hot, thick cum, just ready to show any brave man how proud you are of your countrymen and their stamina +--- 57905880 +>>57905643 (OP) +>20 ukraine marines pulling up in black bradley tanks +>helicopters landed +>Ram Ranch is under siege +>under lockdown +--- 57905936 +>>57905863 +Too bad that guy trooned out + +Was a real cutie +--- 57905943 +>>57905936 +Pics? What's his name? +--- 57905975 +>>57905943 +I forgot the name but I know for sure that he went full tranny, got the tits and stuff +--- 57905979 +>>57905936 +The true crime of trans promoters has been robbing us of a generation of twins and tomboys. +--- 57905996 +The numbers are chosen at random to waste the time of Russian intelligence analysts. +--- 57906007 +>>57905975 +>>57905936 +--- 57906010 +>>57905979 +You gotta fuck them right before they get on hormones. The tomboys are maximum sluts and get super turned on if you call them faggots +>knower +--- 57906019 +>>57905814 +Holy shit how did I miss this kek +--- 57906029 +>>57905936 +>>57905943 +>>57905975 +>>57905979 +>>57906007 +>>57906010 +>pro-ukrainian posters are faggots +figures +--- 57906043 +>>57906029 +Who you trying to fool pidor? +--- 57906057 +>>57905979 +The problem is HRT which most twinks use, a slippery slope +--- 57906063 +>>57906029 +>fucking tomboys is gay +--- 57909188 +>>57905643 (OP) +tempo tempo +--- 57909423 +>>57905643 (OP) +KD ratio need to achieve before you're allowed to trash current vehicle + +>Verification not required. +--- 57909664 +>>57905943 +Looks like Ecchievement to me +--- 57909766 +>>57909664 +I'd still bang him +--- 57909802 +>>57905643 (OP) +Can I have a rundown on why the pixel camo Bradleys do not have a gun in any of the pictures? +--- 57909816 +--> +--- 57909837 +Literally smoked those piggies kek +--- 57909851 +>>57909802 +Spray paint down the barrel of your gun and see how well it fires. They were most likely taken off for the painting of the pixel camo +--- 57909882 +>>57906043 +>The orb always reveals the truth +--- 57909901 +>>57909851 +>Spray paint down the barrel of your gun and see how well it fires +will do +--- 57909964 +>>57909851 +>>57909802 +They take the guns off during transport and storage so that they don't get stolen, just like they do with 240s and M2s. +--- 57910079 +>>57905814 +>Russians getting raped in Bakhmut +Metaphorically or literally? +--- 57910706 +>>57909964 +Stealing a fucking 25mm chain gun!? +--- 57914603 +>>57909766 +he cute +--- 57914612 +>>57905814 + +there's an 11 min video. watch it with a VR headset and you'll get shellshock. +--- 57914614 +>>57909964 +no, they took it off because they were repainting the thing. +--- 57914660 +>>57910079 +metaphorically, but they deserve literally +--- 57914668 +>>57905643 (OP) +Face towards enemy +--- 57914691 +>>57905795 +UAF has started it's counter offensive operations, according to the Ukrainian deputy minister of defense. Vids are starting to come in. +--- 57914860 +>>57909766 +would +--- 57914930 +>>57910706 +They have to go through gypsy territory. +--- 57914957 +>>57905643 (OP) +"This Side Facing Enemy" +--- 57915216 +>>57905863 +he cute +--- 57915222 +>>57906029 diff --git a/k/57905810.txt b/k/57905810.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b3edcdc66e43d008a0f47470c6d12083311e647d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905810.txt @@ -0,0 +1,261 @@ +----- +--- 57905810 +Is this doable in real life? +--- 57905832 +>>57905810 (OP) +Happened daily in WW2, allies troops were doing ninja shit daily. + How do you think the nazis fell so quickly? +--- 57905838 +>57905810 +low effort slide thread. no (you) +--- 57905864 +>>57905810 (OP) +i'm so glad I've never watched this movie, this is the most retarded shit I've seen in the last 5 years +--- 57905872 +>>57905864 +It was actually a really fun movie if you ignore the retardation lmao +--- 57905889 +I mean, yes +But as far as I'm aware, I'm the only person who can do it. I tried to train Christian for the movie but he was struggling to pick it up. Sean was a huge help on set and he did genuinely try a bit, he got the hang of a few things but production couldn't wait so the decision was made for me to step in as a stunt double and they later just edited either Christian or Sean's head onto my acting +--- 57906023 +>>57905810 (OP) +Americans unironically watch these movies and go "WOOOOO!" and "OH YEAH!" also they go "OH DAMN!!!" and "DUDE WHAT!?" +--- 57906049 +>>57905810 (OP) + +sigh just a boring handgun drill, what's your point +--- 57906316 +How did he know they wouldn't kick the magazines away? +--- 57906324 +>>57905810 (OP) +Yes, did it to Taliban in late 2001. +--- 57906328 +>>57905810 (OP) +>he can't +--- 57906333 +>>57905889 +any good production memories? +--- 57906343 +>>57906316 +He didn't, but if they did he would have improvised like at the end of the gif when he runs out of ammo and picks up a rifle off a defeated enemy. +--- 57906381 +>>57905810 (OP) +What if I told you it was?... +--- 57906428 +>>57906023 +Bruh wtf do we hang out?! That's exactly what I say. Also I say "ain't no way" and "you gotta be kidding me" and "holy shit"! +--- 57906466 +>>57906381 +I love this nigga like you wouldn't believe +--- 57906763 +>>57906381 +holy shit hes good +--- 57906791 +>>57905889 +deadass? 99% probability you're fucking with us but show proofs +--- 57906801 +>>57905810 (OP) +>Is this doable in real life? +Actually just did something similar. Happens all the time. Its about the breathing +--- 57906854 +>>57906023 +>Americans unironically watch these movies and go "WOOOOO!" and "OH YEAH!" also they go "OH DAMN!!!" and "DUDE WHAT!?" +>>57906324 +>Yes, did it to Taliban in late 2001. +--- 57907027 +>>57906023 +You left out the clapping at the end Rajeesh. +--- 57907041 +>>57906381 +>doesn't look up or down +I have you now +--- 57907057 +>>57906381 +I've watched this so many times and I still kek at the cute little idle animation he does at the end +--- 57907149 +>>57906023 +Hell yeah we do this movie fucking rocks, did you lose you sense of fun along with your guns? +--- 57908176 +>>57905838 +what the fuck is there to slide on /k/ you retardo +--- 57908218 +>>57906854 +What's wrong with being brown +--- 57908276 +>>57905810 (OP) +Yes, of course. Just a few hours of training every day for 3-4 days would make this trivial. It was highly successfully employed by the Russian VDV special forces when they attacked Kiev in Ukraine. +--- 57908351 +>>57905810 (OP) + +Meanwhile the Hollywood libtards who make these movies complain about real life gun violence. Ha +--- 57908380 +>>57905864 +I thought it was awesome when I was 12 +--- 57908393 +>>57905810 (OP) +Not with a plastic gun. +--- 57908398 +>>57905810 (OP) +>what is systema +--- 57908416 +>>57905810 (OP) +doable? physically maybe, someone obviously acted out the scene. would it be effective? no fucking way. would it look cool in the ~3sec before you have niggus deletus cast on yo ass? yes. + +in all seriousness though: it really does seem like there is an incredibly niche use for gun katas. if you watch the movie, they obviously go fucking insane with it, but then you see things like >>57906381 and it makes me think it might be useful. not a "one size fits all" thing, not an everyday shooting thing, but for a very small number of unlikely scenarios or competition shooting gun katas might have a place +--- 57908438 +>>57905864 +better than reading fahrenheit 451 +--- 57908627 +>>57908398 +Fucking kek. +--- 57908645 +>>57905864 +its fun and there is literally nothing politically objectionable in it. i can watch it and be like "yea fun cool guns and sword". not many movies like that anymore. also john equilibrium is literally me played by christian bale (also literally me) +--- 57908654 +>>57905832 +It's bullshit. +But I believe it. +--- 57908661 +>>57908398 +god I wish I was this high speed +--- 57908738 +>>57905810 (OP) +gun fu is pure certified goyslop, and a progenitor of modern capeshit. you didnt see schwarzenegger or stallone waving their guns around like they're fucking casting spells. these arent action movies they are jewish power fantasies. +--- 57908900 +Anyone have the webm/gif of the retard trying to dual wield that shoots himself in the hand? +--- 57908924 +>>57905810 (OP) +>throws two magazines into the room +>doesn't just throw two grenades instead +--- 57908980 +>>57908398 +>Russia has a birth rate problem +>conscripts all their men and make them slide down balls first on concrete stairs +Curios +--- 57909104 +>>57908738 +yeah +--- 57909123 +>>57908218 +>What's wrong with being brown +--- 57909132 +>>57905810 (OP) +Gun kata is so retarded, not to mention stupid looking. +--- 57909161 +>>57906381 +As much as I enjoy this and hope the guy never stops. It would be a lot easier to just not get fucking surrounded. +--- 57909194 +>>57908398 +Why did you post the reversed version? +--- 57909275 +>>57909161 +That's the point, you let yourself to get surrounded so the enemies get a false sense of security, and then BANG BANG BANG and you're no longer surrounded +--- 57909337 +This wasn't animated, so it was clearly done in real life. +--- 57909396 +>>57909275 +You're surrounded, by corpses +--- 57909469 +>>57909396 +Perfect self defence plan +--- 57909531 +>>57905810 (OP) +this movie was cool as fuck and I’m tired of pretending it wasn’t +>>57909194 +I died +--- 57909556 +>>57905810 (OP) +The tricky part is getting the dong balls to go erect when finding an enemy. +--- 57909580 +>>57909194 +T-they're fast! +--- 57909589 +>>57905810 (OP) +If you hate this movie, you hate the concept of fun. +--- 57909595 +>>57905810 (OP) +Did those grenades get erect? +--- 57909602 +>>57905810 (OP) +he's a fast guy +--- 57909609 +>>57909595 +Those are spare mags +--- 57909703 +>>57909595 +0:45 +did you even +--- 57909853 +>>57909194 +>Shadman +--- 57909865 +>>57908645 +>yea fun cool guns and sword + +Movies used to do that a lot better than the 'fun' tripe that comes out nowadays. Go watch a John woo film from the 90s and compare the gun choreography to the absolute embarrassment that was depicted in OPs post. +--- 57909927 +>>57906381 +This is retarded on so many levels i don't know where to begin. +--- 57910131 +>>57909927 + +Retarded is what you will feel when you are surrounded by gangbangers, who will leave you pooping blood for the rest of your life. All because you refused to trained, because you thought what this guy was doing is retarded. +--- 57910342 +How would you combine firearms and martial arts if you could? +--- 57910352 +>>57905810 (OP) +>starts his play by throwing two full cock and balls black dildos +What did he mean by that? +--- 57911326 +>>57905810 (OP) +The gun kata is so embarrassing but some one should come up with a fighting technique with a gun. Like the best and quickest way to reload how to retain your pistol if you get grabbed how to keep a distance etc +--- 57911490 +>>57911326 +>how to retain your pistol if you get grabbed +not sure if you meant it like this, but it's part of the MCMAP +--- 57912983 +>>57908645 +Hey, you're a pretty good actor. +--- 57913039 +>>57908398 +warframe.webm +--- 57914018 +>>57909194 +Average STALKER bug +--- 57914108 +>>57912983 +for you +--- 57914480 +>>57905864 +Stop being fucking autistic and let yourself enjoy things. +I bet you're the guy no one wants to watch movies witch because you always provide neckbeard commentary and count the rounds fired before reloading. +--- 57915087 +>>57911326 +People have been doing that for centuries. +--- 57915097 +>>57905810 (OP) +I don't know who thinks this bullshit looks cool but they needed to be bullied more. +--- 57915102 +>>57908645 +>this movie is a piece of shit but it doesn't offend my magafee-fees so it's pure kinoo +Fuck you to death. +--- 57915117 +>>57909194 +N-nani?!? +--- 57915129 +>>57907057 +He's looking around quickly not idling. +Situational awareness is key to survival, so he's looking around at the effectiveness of the shots. +He's being retarded but taking it seriously. +--- 57915133 +>zoomies with Asperger's hating on Equilibrium + +You need to go back. +--- 57915137 +>>57914480 +Not that anon but that movie clip in op is so retarded it's impossoble to enjoy. + +Why force oneself to enjoy retarded things? +--- 57915158 +>>57905810 (OP) +Matrix lobby scene was much more fun. diff --git a/k/57905819.txt b/k/57905819.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35644a022093bf9b75672bcae5a873f8bac2ed7f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905819.txt @@ -0,0 +1,166 @@ +----- +--- 57905819 +Hello Internet, + +I’m trying to build a lightweight (<7lb) AR15 that is both decent for CQB (defending myself & family in a home invasion) and taking care of coyotes that like to take out my chickens. + +My budget is $2500. What are the best parts I can get for this price? Thanks in advance for the help! +--- 57905839 +>>57905819 (OP) +>that is both decent for CQB +Put down the video games. +--- 57905853 +>>57905819 (OP) +Just get a normal rifle and stick a flashlight on it. Optics is purely based on your area. If you're going out at night to blast coyotes because you hear them fucking around back there chances are you're fairly close. If you're talking about blasting them from a whole hill away you'd probably be better off with a totally different rifle setup from home defense. +--- 57905966 +>>57905839 +I don’t like the larping terms either. Just want something for the unlikely eventuality I need it to defend myself. +--- 57905990 +>>57905853 +What do you mean by totally different rifle setup? +--- 57905995 +>>57905966 +>I don’t like the larping terms either. +Then why did you use one? If you ask 10 people they'll give you 10 completely different answers for a good "home defense" gun. Its all made up and based on feeling not on FBI crime statistics, not based on tactical usage, not based on anything but what some retard who's never shot anyone thinks. + +General guidelines are it should have a light, be ultra-reliable, able to be used 1 hand, not have a sling, and capable of dispatching multiple people without over penetrating. +--- 57906162 +>>57905990 +Longer barrel, different handguard, bipod, different stock maybe, different optic. These are just possibilities +--- 57906282 +13.7 pencil barrel, pin and weld. Lightweight handguard with maybe a magpul stock for weight, magpul iron sights. Would not bother with optics, but get a good light with it. Should make for a very light build +--- 57906352 +Ought to be more than sufficient out to 200yd with M193 ball for varmints, run Mk262 suppressed for HD, get a flashlight, done deal +https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/ddm4v7-s-11.5-5.56mm-nato-upper-receiver-black +--- 57906365 +>>57905819 (OP) +leave the coyotes alone. you're really killing native wildlife to protect invasive livestock? just build a proper mobile enclosure for your chickens. this country is going to look like western europe in 20 more years if we keep shooting all the "pests" and "predators." look at wolves... their range is nothing like what it used to be. +--- 57906405 +>>57906282 +Why pin and weld a 13.7 when you don't have a suppressor. Just get a 16 inch like a normal human without autism. + +>>57906365 +Once the coyotes are gone I'll repopulate the place using your bussy and copious amounts of chink slave made dog ears (made from restaurant scraps). The killing can and will continue. +--- 57906479 +Get a 16inch pencil barrel and find some older furniture bam lightwieght gun. +--- 57906691 +>>57905819 (OP) +could spend 1500 on a decent 16 inch rifle with a light and optic and then 1000 on a thermal monocular for spotting coyotes in the dark +--- 57906871 +>>57905819 (OP) +Just get a handgun + +Civilians do not have "CQB". There is like one, maybe two, demoralized larpers on this board spreading that nonsense and getting laughed at by everybody. +--- 57907010 +>>57906949 +>t. John Smith from florida oblast +Adding a racial element to the fantasy just kind of proves the point. + +That scenario is called home defense. +--- 57907108 +>>57907010 +>>t. John Smith from florida oblast +>Adding a racial element to the fantasy just kind of proves the point. +Woah man did you promote a racially decisive narrative about blacks commuting crimes? We need to all stand together and fight the enemies of The State dep- I mean America like Russia and China! +--- 57907139 +Here's your build, OP +>whatever barrel length you like +>reflex or holographic sight +>whatever caliber you want with ammo made to kill things +>whatever foregrip solution you prefer +>a light seems like a pretty good idea. +--- 57907295 +>>57907010 +>>57906871 +Fuck off back where you came from redditor +--- 57907873 +>>57907295 +>>57907108 +/pol/ outs itself again +--- 57907890 +>>57907108 +>racially decisive narrative + +I see what you did there. +--- 57910590 +>>57905819 (OP) +>cqb +kek +16 inches is fine just build a basic ar man +>light +>sling +>optics setup +thats it i would say go with a red dot and magnifier combo stop overthinking anon +--- 57910708 +>>57906405 +Shut up idiot. Dumbfucks never understand the visible difference and weight difference and balance difference of a shorter barrel and shorter rail. P.s. if he has a 2.5k budget what makes you think he cant or wont consider a suppressor? +--- 57911170 +>>57910708 +Bingo. Came here to post this. You can get a decent rifle and a can for 2500. Fuck, get a 1000$ build and an lvpo and a can. A light might put you over 2500 if you get a nice one but a chinkshit light will be a just as good placeholder if you wanna save another few hundo for a surefire or whatever. If you get a psa ypur options are better but psa is kinda poverty tier. +--- 57911298 +>>57910590 +Yeah there are plenty of decent (not great) options to fill every need OP listed in the 2500 range. If ypu wsnt to pay larue or hk most of that budget thats fine, but you didnt say "i want an ayyarr i can operate with every day and put 250000 rds thru" +--- 57911495 +>>57906871 +>just pick an objectively weaker and harder to shoot option +I'll pass +--- 57911507 +>>57906365 +Hello, Wile E. +--- 57911522 +CQBtards want to fellate Seagal +--- 57911603 +>>57906365 +The coyotes aren't 'coyotes'. +--- 57911703 +>>57907873 +>muh /pol/ +/k/ has been posted about killing criminal americans longer than you've been on the internet +--- 57913257 +>>57911703 +Tranny jannies ban you if you even mention crime stats by race now +4chan is just Reddit with less CP +--- 57913635 +>>57913257 +I’m 99% sure they deleted a post of mine in this thread that did exactly that. I got banned for a day last weekend for this. I know jannies are fags but come on +--- 57913664 +>>57905819 (OP) +Something lightweight like a BCM ELW 16 or a DDM4V7LW with an LPVO or MPVO with a sling would serve you well. +--- 57913698 +>>57913635 +Even /pol/ is removing race realist and (((naming))) posts as "off topic" +--- 57913718 +>>57910590 +>fagpul mag +>FDmEme +>quad rail +>fagnifier +>wtf is that mount +3/10 decent bait tho +--- 57913730 +>>57913718 +it's Hop so it's poor poorfag shit dude, don't read too deep into it +--- 57913816 +>>57905819 (OP) +$2500 is more than enough for a good build +>13.7 or 13.9 pin and weld lightweight/pencil barrel of your choice (centurion barrel -$500 (w muzzle brake and p&w work) +>aero no forward assist upper -$90 +>aero lower -$100 +>quality LPK -$80 +>quality bcg -$200-300 +>stock of your choice -$100 +>hand guard of your choice -$200-300 (if you want really light go with Midwest mlok light rail) +Rifle without optic is around $1500 so get whatever optic you like and if you want do a trigger upgrade like a large if you want to spend $100 or a jizzly for over $200. +--- 57913836 +>>57913816 +/k/ hates Midwest for some reason +--- 57914512 +>>57913836 +no that’s just the trips on arg +--- 57914546 +>>57905819 (OP) +buy a 6720 +done +--- 57914559 +>>57913836 +cuz glue-engineering diff --git a/k/57905870.txt b/k/57905870.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..87888602561250f41fa20af0f2a75fe4129424dc --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57905870.txt @@ -0,0 +1,402 @@ +----- +--- 57905870 +>Private Anon, you wanted to tell me something? +>What was it? +--- 57905878 +The absolute state.... +--- 57905885 +>>57905870 (OP) +I shit in the water source, ma’am. +--- 57905895 +>>57905870 (OP) +You need to find s9me better camouflage. So that I can’t see you again. +--- 57905911 +I hope this ugly bitch gets decapitated on Ft Hood +--- 57905912 +>>57905870 (OP) +I will never date an army girl ever again. +Just date some normal girl around your base anons. +--- 57905921 +Who the fuck are you I was never in the military +--- 57905973 +>>57905870 (OP) +You’re a zogbot and a welfare queen +--- 57905981 +>>57905911 +She's pretty. There's no reason to be so mean +--- 57905988 +>>57905870 (OP) +I hate women. +I hate women in the military +I hate commissioned officers +I hate female commissioned officers +--- 57906045 +>>57905988 +you're a fag +we get it +--- 57906099 +>>57905981 +She's not bad and I'm not trying to be mean but generally stay FAR away from women who were in the military. They are universally whores. It's like the male cheerleaders... they just sleep around because of the gender ratio. And even if they didn't, the constant attention and fawning makes their ego inflate to insane levels. +--- 57906110 +>>57905870 (OP) +You are my density. +--- 57906111 +>>57905988 +based +--- 57906149 +>>57906099 +What profession could I get I to that would allow me to sleep like this? +--- 57906168 +>>57905870 (OP) +is it the angle or is her pc rank off center? +--- 57906175 +>>57905870 (OP) +please mam, a jelly fish just stung me in the mouth during the swimming pool exercise.. could you pee on it? +--- 57906240 +>>57905870 (OP) +Where is Lujan? +She is my only waifu +--- 57906245 +>>57905870 (OP) +Your rank is upside down. +--- 57906246 +>>57906149 +Probably any one with a huge gender mismatch in your favor, so something like education, psychology, or server at a fancy restaurant. +--- 57906249 +>>57905912 +>Just date some normal girl around your base anons +Like what strippers? Trailer trash? A bartender? +--- 57906304 +>>57906110 +Kek +--- 57906321 +>>57905870 (OP) +I will never respect you and no amount of corrective training or administrative action will change that. You dont belong in the military and the recent trend of pretending men and women are the same is pathetic and refuted by every page in history. +Love from kazakhstan. +--- 57906326 +>>57906249 +The 16 year olds staffing McDonald's +--- 57906351 +>>57905870 (OP) +Your rank is on upside down, ma’am +--- 57906361 +>>57905870 (OP) +Would +--- 57906384 +>>57906326 +What if he doesn't like Mexican girls? +--- 57906399 +>>57906326 +McPussy is among the finest of pussy. +--- 57906449 +>>57906399 +Can you make the McPussy a combo, can it be supersized? +--- 57906469 +what happens if you declare your love for a superior officer while on duty? + +like if you pull her to the side like that and tell her she's the most beautiful person you've ever seen? +--- 57906480 +>>57906149 +Nursing +--- 57906643 +>>57905988 +Truth t b h +--- 57906732 +>>57905870 (OP) +Im pregnant, you're the mother +--- 57906757 +>>57905870 (OP) +>I just wanted say that +>OP is a faggot +>sage +--- 57907012 +>>57905870 (OP) +Yes, I'm not appreciating comments you've been making, it's sexual harassment. I don't want to report this and make life hard for anyone so I'm please asking you in private, please stop. +--- 57907118 +>>57906245 +>>57906351 +always gets them +--- 57907119 +>>57906469 +Idk but it probably ends in tongue wrestling +--- 57907164 +>>57906757 +Reddit moment! +--- 57907192 +For those that served in the military + +What is (your) opinion as to why women on the military are such mega sluts? I had a buddy serve and he told me it was such an eye opening experience seeing these women be absolutely wild yet play the good girl by day I their normal life +--- 57907217 +>>57907192 +>What is (your) opinion as to why women on the military are such mega sluts? +Most people in the military come from poorer backgrounds. Poverty correlates with dysfunctional home life. Besides that, the military is a place where you stuff a bunch of teenagers (or (wo)manchildren) into a tight space with nothing to do but asinine chores, then load them down with calories and exercise them constantly. You're priming the situation for a lot of screwing. +--- 57907252 +>>57907192 +Majority men dominated profession makes any pussy good pussy I guess. That and being a slut with your weak-willed CoC gets you easier details or more benefits/priority assignments. + +I have yet to meet a single (1) women I enjoyed working with during my service. +--- 57907253 +>>57907192 +Women are born whores, but hanging out with lots of men encourages them to act more mannish. And if a man was surrounded by hot chicks eager to fuck, would he show restraint? +--- 57907258 +>>57907012 +He got fat and spent his last two months at Bragg on 6S, the psych ward at Womack. +--- 57907267 +>>57907252 +I have met exactly 1 femoid who was alright. There have been some mediocre ones, but most were some flavor of awful +--- 57907273 +>>57906449 +it supersizes once you get married. +--- 57907275 +>>57907258 +what a shame +--- 57907284 +>>57905870 (OP) +I posted your nudes on discord because no one paid attention to the actual secret documents I posted +--- 57907293 +>>57907284 +This is illegal. +--- 57907416 +>>57907284 +My cute vampire wife +--- 57907655 +>get a new driver and loader +>They're both women +>They both go on permanent dead-man profile one week after showing up to the company +>One tries to EO me for making her help out with basic bitch PMCS +If anyone tells you women on tanks is a good idea, you should kick them in the teeth because it's absolutely awful. +--- 57907685 +>>57905870 (OP) +I...i t-think you smell nice.... +--- 57907754 +>>57907685 +How sweet. +--- 57907865 +>>57907217 +>>57907253 +>actually insightful posts on /k/ shitposting threads +what is the world coming to +--- 57908988 +>>57905870 (OP) +Ma'am, we are all going to die some day, so I want to spend as many of them as I can with you. +Will you marry me? +--- 57909899 +>>57905870 (OP) +Rouva vänrikki, as we are now allies, could we train some close quarter combat? I can let you be on top. +--- 57909985 +>>57906249 +Its painful how true this is. Next OCONUS deployment I'm bagging a 18 year old third worlder +--- 57910362 +>>57905870 (OP) +Marry me, maam comrade commander +>>57906469 +You don't say things like that in public, if you mean them. It's all too intimate. +--- 57910467 +>>57905870 (OP) + +lol that triggered me and i've never even been in the military before. that's funny. +--- 57910509 +>>57905870 (OP) +"You're a slick sleeve bitch, don't even talk to me." + +Unfortunately the majority of O-3 and below or E-6 and below are like this now. +--- 57910523 +>>57905988 +>I hate women in the military + +I agree, they should be non-ranked or disallowed to ascend above the rank of specialist. their jobs should be limited to cooking, cleaning, and services like healthcare and accounting. +--- 57910576 +>>57907192 +>people like sex +>"school trip and the teachers aren't here" vibes +That's it imo +--- 57910645 +>>57907192 +>What is (your) opinion as to why women on the military are such mega sluts? + +I've never been in the military. But my baseless opinion is that military for younger folks is the same as college for sorority sluts. In general, when women 'travel' to another location where they are not permanently known of, they are more likely to spread their legs to these 'foreign' men. The theory and also known as 'vacation sex'. If your girlfriend is going on vacation with a group of friends to Las Vegas or Italy, you can guarantee she's going to slut herself around. Girls in highschool also prefer to date men that do not attend their school, because they don't wish to taint their perception in their own habitat. +--- 57910663 +>>57905870 (OP) +"uhh, actually I was going to wait until after I separate to tell you." + +>>57906469 +>Autistic sperglord who doesn't know any better +Your supervisor sits you down, sighs heavily, begs you not to do that again, probably writes you an LOC, and informs you that serious action (lol) will be taken if you do that again. +>Predatory creep +Anywhere from LOC to loss of rank. +>Gigachad +She fabricates evidence that your relationship started prior to the military and is therefore perfectly legal. + +>>57907273 +lol +--- 57910860 +>>57906480 +>Nursing +Can confirm +My lil bro was an RN and was swimming in more poon than I could ever imagine. +It didn't hurt that he looked like Adonis. +--- 57910909 +>>57905870 (OP) +I want her to smash my balls with a mini sledge hammer and smell that stinky pussy +--- 57910919 +>>57907273 +KEK +--- 57910935 +>>57907865 +even a broke clock is right twice a day +--- 57910978 +>>57905870 (OP) +How many bars have you buttered Lt? +--- 57910988 +>>57907012 +She looks like my mom in her 20' +--- 57911004 +>>57907192 +High test. It's like the menopause. +--- 57911036 +>>57906321 +This post goes very hard. +--- 57911125 +>>57907273 +Oh fucking hell that was good anon. +--- 57911467 +>>57910988 +Can I see? +--- 57911744 +>>57907192 +Everyone in the military is a mega slut. Women just get the bad rep for being women. +--- 57911763 +>>57906246 +>psychology +This 100%. you may be the only male in any psychology related setting you find yourself in +--- 57911911 +>>57911763 +But being a clinical psychologist is a complex and critical position to the well being of individuals. You're telling me it's female saturated +--- 57911946 +>>57905870 (OP) +TAKE YOUR DAMN CLOTHES OFF +--- 57911958 +>>57911946 +Okay guys, im sick of seeing piss all over the god damn floor. You're not fucking children anymore. Learn to pee like an adult. +--- 57911982 +>>57905988 +officers are the women of the army +--- 57911983 +>>57905870 (OP) +Lt. I'm in love with one of my superiors +--- 57912055 +>>57905870 (OP) +i was wondering what your PT score was. +--- 57912089 +>>57905870 (OP) +Report to the barracks as soon as possible +--- 57912131 +>>57912089 +Based tj laser poster +--- 57912198 +>>57905988 +someone never got their turn with the barracks bunny :( + +actually though this is all based and factual +--- 57912327 +>>57907217 +>20F to 80M ratio at best +>Surrounded by a group of males who are on average more fit than your average civilian. +>said males are cut off from the outside world for long periods of time +>men having standards (do we have to bring out the charts) +--- 57913662 +>>57910509 +Damn anon, do tell us all about how you earned your patch in Kuwait +--- 57913728 +>>57905870 (OP) +>Hey lieutenant; want to know why they call me Private Murderer? Well Ma'am, lets just say they would be calling me Private Rapist, but I've never let a victim live yet and that tends to eclipse everything else... +--- 57913959 +>>57905988 +holy based +>>57907192 +Almost every male is a simp and women love attention. People ride them more than the one assault bike in our unit gym. +>>57907273 +kek +--- 57913987 +>>57905870 (OP) +Your head has a peculiar shape and I wish to see you remove your hat. +--- 57913989 +>>57907012 +>>57907275 +>a wild ketchum poster appears +--- 57914004 +>>57909985 +Grand pappy had the right idea +>Marry a girl from the country you’re occupying +Should have bought a dozen goats for and traded said goats for an Afghan wife. +--- 57914014 +>>57906240 +i gotchu f am +--- 57914022 +>>57914014 +too much makeup and drawn on freckles +--- 57914028 +>>57914022 +cartoon freckles are the cool thing for thots now +--- 57914042 +>>57907273 +good one +--- 57914052 +>>57914028 +I would love to meet Rick from Pawn Stars, or is that Steve Austin? +--- 57914088 +>>57905988 +Forgot to add the worst one; +>I hate black female commissioned officers +--- 57914146 +>>57914028 +thots deserve to get captured and receive so many nuts until they are leveled again +--- 57914151 +>>57914052 +HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH +--- 57914202 +>>57905870 (OP) +Between you and me, I should probably be on meds. +My raifu gives me a sixth sense tho, worked great hunting boar in the Ozarks. I'll watch your back if they ever deploy us. +--- 57914216 +>>57912327 +>(do we have to bring out the charts) +yes +--- 57914226 +>>57914202 +Based and tactically-schizopilled. +--- 57914242 +>>57905870 (OP) +We will bang, ok? +--- 57914244 +>>57914028 +jr looks blazed lol +--- 57914271 +>>57906149 +Healthcare, particularly as a Doctor/NP/PA/Manager +--- 57914431 +>>57905870 (OP) +>butterbar butterface +I reckon her MOS is public relations and /or HR. She's the POS that writes up E4s for being "too masculine". +--- 57914811 +>>57906240 +>>57914014 +have some lujan clam +--- 57914825 +>>57913959 +I would let her crush both of my testicles with her bare hand, if you know what I mean +--- 57914861 +>>57914028 +Fucking nightmare keybump rotation +--- 57914871 +>>57905870 (OP) +You aren't Ryan Gosling, crazy glowie. +--- 57915025 +>>57914014 +Nnoooo, have to fight it! +--- 57915195 +>>57914811 +What’s her first name for ai porn porpoises I mean normal porn porpoises +--- 57915306 +>>57914202 +You and your raifu are one, the same spirit. diff --git a/k/57906179.txt b/k/57906179.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1a4cc6cd49f46eb7cf5a1370a4d36eed07fff253 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57906179.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1225 @@ +----- +--- 57906179 +>auto translated from 2ch /po/ + +1. Ukraine does not have normal fighters and helicopters, so the sky will not be protected. +The fighters in service are exclusively Soviet, of the old generation, and the American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones and, moreover, are inferior in performance, although not to everyone. Accordingly, there will be no normal air support, which, moreover, must be synchronized for a successful counteroffensive. + +2. Untrained personnel. +According to Ukraine, the personnel are trained according to NATO programs, or according to some European programs. But is it really so? The fact is that many videos from the telegram channels from the Armed Forces of Ukraine tell us that they are not properly trained, but thrown straight to the front line, and they are treated there like meat, respectively. But even if, nevertheless, at least half of the staff is trained qualitatively, then we have already seen how they are only capable of defense, and they probably do not teach them the offensive, because all their last offensive attempts in a few months turned out to be unsuccessful and futile. Quality education alone is not enough, but they will realize this too late. + +3. Lack of the above synchronicity and work together. +A successful offensive requires constant communication with commanders for a conditional request for reinforcements or the delivery of ammunition to the battlefield, as well as for reporting on new enemy and equipment concentrations. Khokhols by nature are not coordinated people and are more egoists, because they don’t care about the death of their people, as well as commanders and Zelensky, unlike the Russian army, where work is always done together and you can always count on the hand of a comrade. An offensive without the support of technology and aviation, as well as smart commanders in real time, is impossible. +--- 57906183 +4. Small number of people. +Of course, I cannot mention the fact that Russia has a huge mobilization resource that is ready to go and liberate Ukraine from the Nazis in power, in the amount of at least 10 million people, the data may change because everything is in order with the birth rate in Russia, unlike Ukraine with which run away headlong because of their unwillingness to go die for the cocaine Baron 2.0. In Ukraine, the entire mobile resource is literally almost the entire male population + a certain number of female volunteers, which is savagery for Russia to take women on the battlefield and means that there are not enough men. If this resource is defeated, Ukraine will have no one to fight with, well, you can start rowing women, of course, but then the Zelensky regime will come to an end already from the population, and not from the Russian army. Technology is technology, but you still cannot replace people with technology. + +5. Well, the last thing is motivation. +The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for, because they are forcibly driven somewhere where they have never been, where only death awaits them, they did not ask them to be sent there, their fate was decided by one person who wanted to make friends with the West. Ask a soldier of Ukraine what he is fighting for and he will not answer you normally (well, except that you can endure it for money). + +Well, tell me, why should this counteroffensive be successful, given the power of the Russian army and its mobilization resource? +--- 57906205 +russia got fucked every step of the way despite whatever bullshit shills were saying. and it'll get fucked again no question about it. +--- 57906206 +so does this mean Russia will win in 2 weeks? +--- 57906222 +Of all the retarded things said by the vatnigger, the lack of motivation one is the most hilarious case of projection. +--- 57906224 +>>57906183 +Yeah like Russian conscripts are any better trained. +--- 57906228 +>>57906179 (OP) +>the American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones and, moreover, are inferior in performance +--- 57906248 +translated your own nonsense to get (you)'s here, pidorakha? +--- 57906255 +Given how conformative the Japanese are, I can't even imagine how disgusted they must feel at having a Russian in their midst at a time like this. +--- 57906257 +literally who and why do I give a shit +--- 57906268 +>some retarded zigger writes his headcanon online +many such cases. cure: total zigger genocide +--- 57906281 +>>57906179 (OP) +>helicopters +>new Russian ones +LEL +E +L +--- 57906350 +>>57906179 (OP) +Always amazes me that vatniks of dvach are more reasoned and realistic in their assessments than the ones we get here. +He's still wrong about the details of 2, 3 and 5, but I assume it might have something to do with the sources he is literally showered with more than his status as a vatnik. +I.e. the russophone military forum I frequent has frequent posts by people supposedly from Ukraine. It always goes like this: +>new poster comes, shares some common knowledge, praises Ukraine +>proceeds to complain everything is hard, there is no motivation, there are no supplies, officers are bad, nobody trusts HQ, civilians hate them +>eventually some oldfag confirmed to be from the armed forces or even a civilian volunteer arrives, says "that sucks, why are you not reporting this, do you want me to help you report this? where is this?" +>newfag evaporates + +>>57906222 +In every army there will be people lacking motviation. For every programmer and baker turned soldier to protect their home, there is always some zoomer from a rich family who doesn't want to be stuck guarding warehouses and doing manual labor in the rear. +--- 57906366 +>>57906183 +I have never seen projection so fiercely unaware as the 'motivation' section. Describes exactly the situation of the Russian soldier, and never considers the intrinsic existential motivation in, say, having you're country being actively invaded. Powerful drug this cope is. +--- 57906391 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +Pretty funny. Nothing original but a quintessential copenik post +--- 57906547 +>>57906179 (OP) +thanks for the laugh +--- 57906573 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +This reads as a giant projection, but let's go with it. + +1.Ukraine has less airpower, but Russia has WORSE airpower due to lack of properly trained pilots (not weekend warriors) and abysmal maintenance, not to mention crap and outdated systems. If they did have proper airpower, they would have used it by now. + +2.There's videos of Ukie troops training in US, UK, Germany, Poland, Norway and so on. Meanwhile, there's videos of Russians bitching about being given no or improper training (artillery guys sent as infantry or navy guys as tankers). + +3. Russian commanders are cowardly scum that can't tell asses from armpits and meaninglessly send their troops on imbecilic missions without any proper goals. Ukrainian commanders might be a little soviet-retarded but actually care about their troops and the non-centralized command structure allows for individual units to make decisions on their own. + +4. Russians throwing meat against steel has not worked. They can't train, arm and feed that many. As previously said, they can't even command that many, because the officers are absolute rotting dogshit. + +5. Russian motivation fades the first minute of arriving in Ukraine, if not sooner. Meanwhile, even if smaller in number, Ukies fight for their land, liberty and life, not to mention the sheer hatred of vatnik scum that have invaded and ravaged their kin and country. They are also better armed and equipped on average. + +In short, all points, except maybe for the fourth (they do have a lot of meat) are cope/projection. +--- 57906681 +>>57906573 +>1.Ukraine has less airpower, but Russia has WORSE airpower due to lack of properly trained pilots (not weekend warriors) and abysmal maintenance, not to mention crap and outdated systems. If they did have proper airpower, they would have used it by now. +This is cope. Russia's airforce is shit, but Ukraine's is by no means better. They have all the same problems as Russia when it comes to air power, but they have less airframes available. It is very naive to think that Ukraine has more advanced planes and better trained pilots than Russia. The air support they will be able to provide for the troops conducting the offensive will be extremely limited and very high-risk +--- 57906725 +>>57906681 +That it will, but Ukranians do have better pilots and maintenance. Also, I'd argue that Ukranians have the stones to conduct high-risk missions, while Russians go out of their way to avoid "unfriendly" airspace. +--- 57906726 +>>57906573 +>>57906681 +airpower is going to continue to be a non factor. the ukies don't have enough of it to really do anything constructive and the russians are too retarded to take advantage of that. +--- 57906799 +Russians don't have the PGMs to attack offensive ground units from high altitude, so they'd have to get within manpad range which is suicide as Ukranian offensive spear will be bristling with anti-air. Ukranians probably have most to fear from Russian helis doing pop up attacks but we've seen to little of that. +--- 57906839 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +Until i actually see and hear enough (former) vatniks actually shit talking what Russia what and how Russia is doing in this conflict, i'm gonna assume the vast majority of them are fucking retards and deserve everything that moving in their direction. It's been over a year, endless russian failures and failed promises, and they still act like the dumb cunts they always has been. Russians truly have no morals, dignity and shame. +--- 57906927 +>>57906179 (OP) +>American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones and, moreover, are inferior in performance +lol +>their last offensive attempts in a few months turned out to be unsuccessful and futile +lol +>Khokhols by nature are not coordinated people and are more egoists, because they don’t care about the death of their people +lol +>Russia...is ready to go and liberate Ukraine from the Nazis in power, in the amount of at least 10 million people +lol +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation +lol +--- 57907032 +>>57906839 +>Russians truly have no morals, dignity and shame. +They consider that a virtue, because if they did have any of those things, they'd understand how absolutely disgusting they are and that might be too much to bear. +--- 57907047 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +I really, really don't understand this cope ziggers spout about how Russia isn't REALLY trying to win in Ukraine. If they think that Russia's big problem is not mobilizing more men, then they're free to go and join up, nobody is stopping them +--- 57907060 +>>57907047 +>send thousands of armored vehicles in to Ukraine +>lose nearly 20k of them total +>have casualty rates that make Vietnam pale in comparison +>lose the flagship and pride of their navy +>nah famalam we ain’t trying lol +FAS is a hell of a drug +--- 57907062 +>>57906799 +>Russians don't have the PGMs to attack offensive ground units from high altitude, + +They have guided bomb kits in mass now. +--- 57907086 +>>57906179 (OP) +projection the post +kinda funny tho lol +--- 57907098 +>>57907062 +--- 57907104 +>American helicopters +??? +I though they only have a few blackhawks for sbu-whatever +--- 57907106 +>>57907047 +>I really, really don't understand this cope ziggers spout about how Russia isn't REALLY trying to win in Ukraine. +success is whatever direction Moscow is headed in. if Moscow isn't winning, then winning isn't success, winning is failure. +--- 57907122 +>>57906179 (OP) +>moreover +>accordingly +>respectively +>nevertheless + +Actual bot speech. Hilarious. No, it's not literary competence, it's actually fucking bizarre. My eyes glaze over when presented with such prose. I don't even care to analyse the meat of their writings, as the stench of shit is overwhelming. I for one, do not like smelling or consuming, shit. +--- 57907138 +>>57906573 +> There's videos of Ukie troops training in US, UK, Germany, Poland, Norway and so on +The videos show like 0.01% of Ukraine’s armed forces at most. Hardly common practice. +As an aside, why the fuck are NATO militaries training Ukraine? Ukraine should be training them! +--- 57907140 +>>57906179 (OP) +>we have already seen how they are only capable of defense, and they probably do not teach them the offensive +Has he been in a coma during the second half of 2022? +--- 57907148 +>>57906183 +>>57906179 (OP) +I think he is right about everything +--- 57907171 +>>57907122 +>bot-translated text reads as if a bot wrote it +--- 57907183 +>>57907138 +Soon. +--- 57907201 +>>57906726 +Russkies are too retarded, but Ukr does have solid Air defense now so that's why russian air power is just Mig-31s and Su-35s hanging back with long range AAMs. +They can't into SEAD +--- 57907206 +>>57907138 +0.01% of Russia's forces were well trained going into the invasion. Now it's 0.001%. [1] Ukies are expanding their professional forces while Russia is restaffing theirs with mobiks. + +[1] it came to me in a dream +--- 57907242 +>>57907140 +>Has he been in a coma during the second half of 2022? +Both Ukrainian "offensives" were pyrrhic victories that set Ukraine up for its current crisis + +Kherson: UA troops bumrushed (without air support) prepared Russian BTG's and got heavily BTFO, losing 20,000-30,000 men and 300+ tanks and IFVs, before Russia eventually carried out a controlled retreat out of Kherson several weeks later because they decided that the river crossing resupply was too risky. + +Kharkov UA troops bumrushed (without air support) lightly armed LPR and DPR militias, who then carried out a controlled retreat while inflicting heavy artillery loses on the masses of UA troops and vehicles moving in the open, causing the loss of another 10,000-20,000 men and 200 tanks and IFVs +--- 57907280 +>>57907242 +--- 57907289 +>>57906726 +>>57907201 +If Ukraine runs out of AA and their support ring defences fail, a counter-attack can be rekt. This is why I seethe that Switzerland destroyed loads of Rapier batteries. They aren't new. They aren't great. But slap it on a truck and it is a good additional system to protect STUFF during the counter-offensive. But no, Switzerland said 'Swiss weapons cannot be used in war' and destroyed them. +--- 57907299 +>>57907062 +[citation needed] +This is something they've decided to develop *after* being placed under total economic and technological sanctions? Also guided by glonASS, lol. +--- 57907324 +>>57907289 +Switzerland should be made to pay a solidarity tax for free-loading NATO and the whole free and civilized world. Fucking hate them so much. +--- 57907326 +>>57906179 (OP) +>The fact is that many videos from the telegram channels from the Armed Forces of Ukraine tell us that they are not properly trained, but thrown straight to the front line, and they are treated there like meat, respectively. +Biggest case of projection? +--- 57907354 +>>57906726 +>and the russians are too retarded to take advantage of that. +they are dropping 10-20 air-launched guided bombs every day now that can be launched from outside of all UA air defense range, and the footage is showing up all over telegram +--- 57907360 +>>57907299 +>russia develops something not reliant on western imports +>it ends up relying on western imports +How do they do this every time without fail? +--- 57907398 +>>57906183 +>savagery for Russia to take women on the battlefield + +Yeah. +--- 57907412 +>>57907242 +>Both Ukrainian "offensives" were pyrrhic victories that set Ukraine up for its current crisis +Ukraine barely lost anything retaking the entire Kharkiv region, it was a rout. Russia sacrificed its best units in Kherson, especially after redeploying from getting tricked in Kharkiv. I don't think you know what Phyrric means. +>its current crisis +What, did they lose another parking lot in Bakhmut? Literally nothing is happening right now. +--- 57907424 +Russia is about to get their shit pushed in and vatniks at defcon 1 panic/cope mode. +--- 57907432 +>>57907398 +>we aren't doing that because we're not savages, and if we are doing it, it's good and you're not doing it because you are naive +--- 57907454 +>>57906183 +>5. Well, the last thing is motivation. +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for, because they are forcibly driven somewhere where they have never been, where only death awaits them, they did not ask them to be sent there, their fate was decided by one person who wanted to make friends with the West. Ask a soldier of Ukraine what he is fighting for and he will not answer you normally (well, except that you can endure it for money). +lmao +--- 57907455 +>>57906183 +Honestly Ukraine's defenders could be literal toddlers armed with slingshots and armored with teddy bear jammies and they'd be more battle ready than most Russian "army" personnel we've seen +--- 57907473 +>>57907398 +The last Donbabweans will end up zoo exhibits in a captive breeding program. The irony of them actually being genocided, just by the Russians, never fails to amuse. +--- 57907486 +>>57906179 (OP) +He's right to some extent on 1, 2, 4. Lack of ukie airpower is going to severely bite them, they lack airframes and meaningful ways to deal with Russian AD network. And their NATO-trained units since 2014 have mostly been attrited out and replaced with the older, less effective soviet ones. Not to mention that Ukraine so far only has 35,000 men ready for a counteroffensive which is a pitiful number considering the length of the front and how well defended it is on the RU side +--- 57907489 +>>57906183 +That last part is one of the best examples of vatnik projection I've seen in a while. +--- 57907497 +>>57907486 +Because they're going to attack along the whole front equally? +--- 57907509 +>>57906681 +This. +--- 57907549 +>>57907299 +They have supposedly developed cheap conversion kits for fab-500 with about 50 km range. Unless the ukies pull AA closer to the front, or they can jam it, it could be pretty bad. + +https://kyivindependent.com/russias-smart-bombs-pose-increasingly-serious-threat-to-ukraine/ +--- 57907560 +>>57907138 +Theory and practice my dude, NATO has the theory and Ukraine is putting it into practice +Both sides are learning a lot from the experience +--- 57907566 +>>57907486 +>Ukraine so far only has 35,000 men ready for a counteroffensive +Not this shit again... +--- 57907596 +>>57906179 (OP) +What is the tactical advantage of telling your side to not worry and ignore the looming counterattack that will be executed by forces who have had 100% of their big offensives exceed everyone's wildest expectations? + +Not to mention this time they have fresh hardware that's 2 eras ahead of anything your side has. +--- 57907608 +>>57907138 +Eh based on DoD statements last month and assuming Ukrainian military is around 700,000 probably closer to 1.5% in foreign training. Foreign training pre-war and foreign training during the war only count for a small percentage of Ukraine's armed forces. It's not hard to believe both countries have issues with training given the size of mobilizations. +--- 57907614 +>>57907596 +>What is the tactical advantage of telling your side to not worry and ignore the looming counterattack that will be executed by forces who have had 100% of their big offensives exceed everyone's wildest expectations? +Tamps down on desertions? +--- 57907618 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +Everything aside from the first point is pure projection. As for air forces, sure, they have less advanced aircraft, but I don't see that advantage helping russia much. They still resort to lobbing fucking FABs with glide kits and are afraid of entering contested space. +--- 57907642 +>>57906179 (OP) +Most of this is delusional levels of projection. The parts which aren't blatant projection have pretty much just ignored everything we have seen in this war so far. Neither side has been able to make meaningful use of air power. The Ukrainians have made successful counteroffensives without air support before. NATO countries have been training Ukrainian soldiers since the war started, even though the average Ukrainian soldier isn't some elite operator, they are going to be much more well-trained than the average Russian mobik. The level of projection in the third point is absurd. The Ukrainians have held on in this war partially thanks to its ability to work together within their own military along with their NATO allies; meanwhile the Russians can't go a few months without sacking their commander or having Prigozhin throw a shitfit because he isn't getting enough cannon fodder. While the Ukrainians have less soldiers in the field, quality has a distinct advantage over quantity in the 21st century. Quantity is worthless if your soldiers are underfed, poorly equipped, untrained, and completely directionless. The last point is just pure insanity, but I would expect nothing less from a vatnik. +--- 57907660 +>>57906179 (OP) +not to say the success of the counteroffensive is guaranteed. but those are seriously some of the most retarded reasoning I've seen +--- 57907686 +>>57907486 +>And their NATO-trained units since 2014 have mostly been attrited out and replaced with the older, less effective soviet ones. +nah +>Not to mention that Ukraine so far only has 35,000 men ready for a counteroffensive which is a pitiful number +The Kharkiv collapse was precipitated by a force of Ukrainians 100x smaller than that penetrating Russian lines, the continence thereof by a force 10x smaller, all with equipment inferior to what is now available. +35k is a low ball anyway, but even granting that? Russia has a worse track record with less. +>t-that's different! ;(((((((((((((( +>R-R-Russia depleted their lines of men too thinly they won't do that again! ;(((((((((((((((((( +>d-dragon's teeth and super mine fields! +"xaxa", sure +Those RU telegrams complaining that Wagner keeps consuming men and material in Bakhmut which were originally meant for elsewhere (Vuhledar, Kreminna) are obviously fiction. Strelkov? Murz? Fags, naturally. +Yes. +Trust the Z. +--- 57907687 +2ch dot hk/po/res/54157025.html +I strongly suspect cope like this is just to bait would-be opposition into outing themselves for a vanning. Not sure there's any way to get an authentic reading on what actual Russians think since they must all know the danger of speaking the truth in any form or forum. +--- 57907715 +>>57906179 (OP) +>2ch /po/ +discarded +--- 57907728 +>>57907242 +Krokodil is not good for your health. +--- 57907745 +>>57907242 +nice b8 +--- 57907788 +>>57907412 +>Literally nothing is happening right now. +UA is throwing away prime troops in Bakhmut (a firebag being hit with RU arty from 3 sides) that were earmarked for the southern spring offensive +>Ukraine barely lost anything retaking the entire Kharkiv region +The whole time they were advancing they were getting hit with arty although it wasn't as bad as Kherson, they are currently critically low on tanks and IFVs, that's why they have to wait for more arrivals of these vehicles from the west before even starting the offensive (they dont have enough right now) +>Russia sacrificed its best units in Kherson +they barely lost any in Kherson, almost all the fighting took place to the open fields to the NW and N of the city, where columns of UA troops and vehicles moved through the open in big easily seen groups, and they got hit with everything by the Russians from afar and the whole offensive only created a few small salients of a few villages and slowly pushed Russian lines back in a few areas before the offensive petered out and the Russians carried out a controlled retreat weeks later without ever getting encircled or cut of (the whole point of the offensive). During this offensive there were huge columns of ambulances stretching for miles headed back towards Kiev that were filmed and posted on social media +--- 57907798 +>>57906183 +oh man that part of his observations is some real good projection right there. classic russia. +--- 57907804 +>>57906179 (OP) +>and the American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones and, moreover, are inferior in performance, although not to everyone. +What???? We literally gave them Mi-17s that we originally were going to give the Afghans. They arent American, the aren't attack helicopters , they probably were made in Russia and they're the same shit the Russians are using. +--- 57907808 +>>57907788 +>huge columns of ambulances stretching for miles headed back towards Kiev that were filmed and posted on social media +May I see them? +--- 57907821 +>>57907788 +>UA is throwing away prime troops in Bakhmut (a firebag being hit with RU arty from 3 sides) that were earmarked for the southern spring offensive +b8 +--- 57907861 +>>57907104 +He probably thinks the helicopters we gave them that were originally intended for Afghanistan are American but they arent. They're Russian. Or he thinks the helicopters we gave Slovakia in exchange for the migs they gave Ukraine are also heading to Ukraine. +--- 57907900 +>>57906183 +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for +lol, how could even a russian believe this? +--- 57908001 +>>57907354 +>they are dropping 10-20 air-launched guided bombs every day now that can be launched from outside of all UA air defense range, and the footage is showing up all over telegram +Ummmm ok but they're launching them ar apartment buildings and previously the grid. That's not exactly the same as hitting military targets. +--- 57908025 +>>57907788 +>UA is throwing away prime troops in Bakhmut (a firebag being hit with RU arty from 3 sides) that were earmarked for the southern spring offensive +I like how Russia can pour in everything it has on one strategically braindead spot in the front, take disproportionate losses, and ultimately come to the conclusion that Russian lives are so worthless that defence is a losing prospect. +>nb4 but this is how russia always fights +Russia is not a growing nation anymore +>The whole time they were advancing they were getting hit with arty +Considering the ordeal was 90% over in a couple of days and the Russians left most of their equipment behind and ran, no +>they barely lost any in Kherson, almost all the fighting took place to the open fields to the NW and N of the city +The fighting over Kherson lasted months and absorbed the most experienced personnel Russia had available. I'm not talking about just the last day or the city itself you fucking retard. +--- 57908054 +>>57907138 +>As an aside, why the fuck are NATO militaries training Ukraine? Ukraine should be training them! + +Because Russia AKA NeoSoviet Union v2.0 exists to enslave Europe as ever. It is not tradcon, it's Saddam's Iraq with snow. + +Worse, shillniggers like you pretend otherwise. You don't even LIKE Russia, you're just contrarian. Nobody with a choice likes living there who has seen freedom. +--- 57908071 +>>57906183 +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation +lmao holy shit +--- 57908079 +>>57907354 +Wow, that's like five whole F-16s with JDAMs per day at most. Truly Russia is a formidable foe. +--- 57908101 +>>57906179 (OP) +>American helicopters are outdated +>they are treated there like meat +>Khokhols by nature are not coordinated people and are more egoists + +>>57906183 +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for +--- 57908161 +>>57907497 +35,000 concentrated in one spot is easy pickings and a poor use of limited manpower. They simply don't have enough now that Russia has hundreds of thousands in Ukraine. It'll be a reverse of the Russian situation from Feb - Apr 2022 +>>57907566 +If you have information that contradicts this, then post it +>>57907686 +Wrong. Kharkov was far more lightly defended than you make it out to be and a sign of Russia having crippling manpower shortages at the time. They will not make the same mistake again, as evidenced by their recent mobilization orders and built defenses along every inch of the front. +--- 57908168 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +Are we sure the translator didn't bork it up and he was actually discussing the armed forces of Russia here? That would make more sense. +--- 57908190 +>>57906206 +3 days until Kiev, comrade. +--- 57908236 +>>57907354 +That reflects a tiny sortie rate since any decent aircraft can carry at least four Mark 84-class bombs and launch twice or thrice in a leisurely peacetime environment let alone combat where the limfac should be crew rest not ready aircraft. + +What makes that impressive when it's not even what one US fighter squadron could deliver in one day's first set of sorties thirty years ago? (2x 2000lb bombs per F-16 to use the baby fighter x 10 acft (a low number since more are always FMC) in a squadron of ~24 with ~20-22 FMC jets is 20 weapons delivered in the first set of "go"s. ) + +Ukraine is a local flight from most of Russia so RuAF should be able to launch at least three sorties/day per flyable aircraft and that's conservative. + +Russia is doing this from bases in areas it controlled since at least the end of the Russian civil war. That performance sucks. It's less than that of one US fighter squadron on a bad day. +--- 57908255 +>>57906573 + +I honestly can't tell if this is supposed to be Dedovshchina or Ukrainians fucking with a Russian prisoner at this point. +--- 57908277 +>>57908236 +Should add an F-16 can carry four Mark 84s but normally carry two for range. Strike Eagle slings far more ordnance. + +GBU-38 is now more popular because precision requires less throw weight. +--- 57908305 +>>57908255 +Taping up co-workers is a universal military tradition probably dating to the first available tape. Like making bouncing balls from self-fusing rubber tape it's just what to do. Give any primate tape and it will tape something. For example taping gerbils so they don't split when you fuck 'em. +--- 57908321 +>>57906573 +>they do have a lot of meat + +Not as much as they seem to think. Virtually every Russian unit sent to Ukraine down to the company level has chronic personnel and staffing issues. If you watch traffic cam footage from the first day, you can see huge numbers of BMPs, BTRs, and BMDs traveling without their authorized troop complement so this evidently pre-dates the invasion. +--- 57908515 +>>57908025 +>I like how Russia can pour in everything it has +Nope, that was just Wagner :^) +--- 57908594 +>>57906927 +so in other words +>Projection. +>Projection. +>Projection. +>Projection. +aaaaand +>Projection. + +Lol, indeed. Anon. Lol, indeed. +--- 57908610 +>>57907060 +>>lose the flagship and pride of their navy +That'll never stop being hilarious. +--- 57908642 +Eyebrow status? +--- 57908726 +>>57907060 +Lol the US and their allies lost 12500 aircraft and helicopters in total in Vietnam, the few hundred Russian aircraft lost is nothing in comparison. +--- 57908761 +>>57907242 +>Kharkov UA troops bumrushed (without air support) lightly armed LPR and DPR militias, who then carried out a controlled retreat while inflicting heavy artillery loses on the masses of UA troops and vehicles moving in the open, causing the loss of another 10,000-20,000 men and 200 tanks and IFVs + +Their Luhansk offensive got buckbroken on the hastily constructed Kreminna-Svatovo defensive line. +Now imagine the AFU trying an offensive on a much more heavily manned and better fortified frontline in 2023. +The people believing in this AFU spring-summer offensive have no idea what they are talking about. +--- 57908828 +>>57908761 +Ukranians now have Western IFVs and tanks (and loads of APCs and MRAPs to follow up). Every vehicle and squad will likely have top-tier thermals/NV. They've been training in at least the basics of how to employ all this in a rapidly moving offensive. All they really need to do is punch through at a point and then spread out behind the Russian front lines then blowing the shit out of everything that moves at distance at night. They're going for a Desert Storm redux, and I suspect dug in Russian lines will be just as successful as they were for Iraq. +--- 57908850 +>>57908761 +>Their Luhansk offensive got buckbroken on the hastily constructed Kreminna-Svatovo defensive line +that's odd way to say Russia managed to finally stop 15 Ukrainian tanks at Svatovo, 91 kilometers and one huge river away from where they started their attack +--- 57908873 +>>57906573 +This makes me realize that the American military also projects extremely hard. + +That is, they assume all of their foes are as competent as them and plan/train accordingly, with OPFOR being some of the premiere soldiers in the armed forces. +--- 57908890 +>>57906179 (OP) +>American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones and, moreover, are inferior in performance +stopped reading, kys zigger +--- 57908939 +>>57908828 +Without air superiority or artillery superiority those western wonder weapons from the cold war are going to be destroyed the same way Russian equipment got destroyed in Iraq 30 years ago. + +The logistics is another big problem.Russian equipment have interoperability while the ukrainian army is increasingly a hodge podge of random shit from all over the world.The AFU equipment attrition must be really high.Most of the AFU maintenance facilities are 2000km away from the frontline in NATO territory otherwise they would get bombed while Russian can maintain their equipment a 50-100km away from the front. + +Even if the AFU would punch through one line then there's the second and if they would go through that then that's when Russia counterattacks with their reserves, which unlike in 2022 they do have now. +--- 57908975 +>>57908850 +>HAHAHA i was only pretending that i exhausted the majority of my offensive potential.Pls gib 400 modern tanks i'm winning. +--- 57908986 +>>57906183 +Point 5 is fucking stupid. Of course they know what they’re fighting for, another nation has invaded their homeland! It’s one of the few causes that can spur even the temperate and peace-loving to take up arms. +--- 57909060 +>>57908986 +>Of course they know what they’re fighting for + +Of course they do. +--- 57909065 +>>57906179 (OP) +>muh otivation +It’s literally always projection lol +Russian conscripts have been putting out like daily videos complaining that they have literally no idea where they or what they’re supposed to be doing and trying to get the attention of any higher ups. Hours of recordings a day of Russians calling home and talking about how they’re in hell and everyone is dead and they don’t know what to do. But sure yeah the Ukrainians that are just getting back from months of specialized training with the best equipment and tactics in Europe are definitely gonna have a lot of motivation issues lel + +> The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing." +-Goebbels + +And I love the irony of the quote where he is literally accusing the enemy of doing the thing he’s doing in the quote about doing that +--- 57909113 +>>57908726 +Retards be like +>"LOOOOK LOSSES" +and not factor in that the US shat equipment, while the Russians can't put LRF in their T-62 obr. 2023 +--- 57909115 +>>57909065 +ukrainians are so motivated that the AFU literally have to chase ukrainians down on the streets to force draft them into the army. +--- 57909149 +>>57908873 +The US military intentionally gimps itself in important ways because any disaster on a tactical level will end up blowing up into a full blown political quagmire. It's not that the US thinks that China or Russia is actually a peer threat; it is that if the US military fights a war at anything below perfection, the public will autistically screech for years. +--- 57909180 +>>57909115 +Strange how Hungary and Georgian populations have fucking spiked since last year. +--- 57909182 +>>57908975 +but you didn't answer on what I was saying. From Balakliya to current frontline in Luhansk it's 91 kilometers. From Current frontline to Azov Sea it's 80-90km, if Russia manages to stop Ukrainian assault this time 91km from current frontline...doesn't that means Russia losses this war? +--- 57909190 +>>57909113 +I'm sure US pilots loved that 50-60% survival rate. + +>and not factor in that the US shat equipment, while the Russians can't put LRF in their T-62 obr. 2023 + +Fast forward to 2023 and the US can't even keep up their proxy war against Russia without relying on 40 other countries. +How the mighty have fallen, maybe more money to critical race theory education will fix the decaying US military. +--- 57909204 +>>57909190 +>the us had 50% survival rate in the 70s +goddamn, the russians are behind in everything, aren't they? +--- 57909209 +>>57909180 +or the population of Poland or Germany. +--- 57909214 +>>57909115 +Literally projection again lol. It’s a tic +--- 57909246 +>>57909204 +>>the us had 50% survival rate in the 70s + +Now they have 41% survival rate. +Maybe more government issued estrogen pills would fix it. +--- 57909259 +>>57909190 +> Fast forward to 2023 and the US can't even keep up their proxy war against Russia without relying on 40 other countries. +Kek +--- 57909261 +>>57909246 +Whoa, despite all of those handicaps the Russians are still behind? Maybe the ruskies do need some troons to design equipment for them +--- 57909274 +>>57909182 +They could barely take largely empty land and still taking high losses, what makes you think then can take heavily fortified defensive lines backed up by 300k reserves? +--- 57909281 +>>57909274 +I didn't know that Ukraine had 300k reserves +--- 57909283 +>>57909274 +>They could barely take +taking it in five days is "barely take", what would be not "barely taking" for you? +--- 57909295 +>>57909259 +That's not from production, they are emptying their military reserves just so it can be blown up in ukraine by Russia. +--- 57909300 +>>57909259 +Don't forget the best part, anon. The West is going to use their own russian money to destroy them, lol +At the end of this mess, the West is going to be even richer than before. +--- 57909307 +>>57909295 +>it can be blown up in ukraine by Russia +it's so nice of Russia to sacrifice their man and equipment to blow up American rockets and shells +--- 57909310 +>>57909295 +The west can replace its equipment in less than a decade? Truly impressive, why can't puccia be like this? +--- 57909318 +>>57909190 +>Fast forward to 2023 and the US can't even keep up their proxy war against Russia without relying on 40 other countries. +And also, I get that this is hard to comprehend given you live in a malignant shithole, but the US built its geopolitical strength around working WITH other countries and giving them massive economic and security and entertainment rewards in exchange for joint cooperation and a few bases maybe. Russian and Chinese geopolitics are all about trying to be subversive little smarmy faggots trying to work against and collapse the system because they’re not the ones on top of it. + +Y’all got mind cancer and that’s why you’re always gonna lose. +--- 57909334 +>>57909261 +Russia sure is behind in losing tens of thousands of pilots like the US did in vientam. +--- 57909348 +>>57909295 +AGAIN ITS PROJECTION LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL + +RUSSIA STILL ONLY HAS ONE TANK FACTORY IN PRODUCTION THAT HAS ONLY EVER MADE LESS-THAN-20 TANKS PER MONTH. THEY ARE PULLING OUT WW2 SURPLUS WHILE EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA HAS BEEN INCREASING PRODUCTION FOR A YEAR. + +And even with them getting a bunch of US surplus from the terror wars… OH NO!? 5 YEAR OLD EQUIPMENT?! +--- 57909354 +>>57909307 +It's so nice of the USA to sacrifice its petrodollar empire and global influence just to blow up a few Russians. +--- 57909359 +>>57909190 +--- 57909380 +>>57909310 +>The west can replace its equipment in less than a decade? + + +1.1 trillion military budget alliance gets depleted from a proxy war against a 65 billion military budget country.Truly impressive. +--- 57909402 +>>57907242 +>and got heavily BTFO, losing 20,000-30,000 men and 300+ tanks and IFVs + +Which at proven casualty ratios for that offensive means they killed 100,000-150,00 Russians and 2000+ tanks and IFVs. + +>a controlled retreat + +The word you're looking for is "rout". + +>lightly armed LPR and DPR militias + +Yes, lightly armed LPR and DRP militias like 1st Guards Tank Army. Which promptly shattered and ran in panic, leav ing bheind hundred sof tanks and IFVs and thousands of tons of ammo and supplies to be captured intact at virtually no cost in losses to the Ukrainians. + +>causing the loss of another 10,000-20,000 men and 200 tanks and IFVs + +Which at proven casualty ratios for that offensive means 100,000-200,000 men and 1000+ tanks adnj nIFVs lost for the Russians. On top of hundred smore captured intact by the Ukrainians, who came out of the offensive with significantly more tanks and IFVs than they had when they started it. + +>>57908761 +The "Luhansk offensive" stopped because the utter lack of any effectiv erussian resistance meant that it outran its logistics and had to stop lest it become overstretched. + +And why yes, I'll imagine that. It ends with the russian defensive line being outright shattered on contact, another massive russing rout, tens of thousands of russian cqasualties for little to no ukrainian ones and another massive swathe of ukrainian land liberated from the stain of the hated invader. + +>>57908975 +>muh offensive potential + +That's not how that works, retard. The Ukrainians exhausted nothing in the Kharkiv offensive. They stopped it to let their own logistics catch up, after liberating vast swathes of land and capturing vastly more supplies and heavy equipment than they lost in the process. If at all, the Kharkiv offensive INCREASED the offensive potential of the ukrainian army. +--- 57909404 +>Russia has a huge mobilization resource that is ready to go and liberate Ukraine from the Nazis in power, in the amount of at least 10 million people, the data may change because everything is in order with the birth rate in Russia, unlike Ukraine with which run away headlong because of their unwillingness to go die for the cocaine Baron +This guy is probably trolling +--- 57909410 +>>57909318 +The real mindfuck is understanding that the US doesn't really want the Russia and China to go away, since they're the perfect boogie man to keep their hegemony and influence over all other countries. They more they openly push, the more the US and their alleis become stronger. +>>57909334 +>>57909354 +>>57909380 +The seethe and cope is off the charts, lol +--- 57909429 +>>57909318 +>but the US built its geopolitical strength around working WITH other countries and giving them massive economic and security and entertainment rewards in exchange for joint cooperation and a few bases maybe. Russian and Chinese geopolitics are all about trying to be subversive little smarmy faggots trying to work against and collapse the system because they’re not the ones on top of it. + +lol +The US sphere was at one point a lot of carrot and a little bit of sticks, now its no carrot and all sticks. +The US is hysterically running around the world and threatening everyone with sanctions if they trade with Russia and they are losing their global empire as a result. +--- 57909450 +>>57909348 +You have no idea do you?lmao +--- 57909452 +>>57908939 +Well good thing then that the Ukrainians have artillery superiority outside the copium-huffing wishful thinking of delusional vatnigger shills. + +And LMAO. Ukrainian logistics ar eutterly superior to Russias ill-managed, corruption-ridden garbage system. + +And AFU maintenance facilities ar eright behind the frontline, because the Russians can't even bomb schools and apartment buildings all that effectively anymore outside of your delusions. Menawhile, russian maintenace facilities within 50-100km from the front have gone factually extinct owing to the utter superiority that HIMARS presents over all russian artillery and close-air capabilities. + +And there is no second line, Vanya. Your shit-tier army is overstretched beyond hope and has already sent all its reserves and offensive potential to die in the Bakhmut meatgrinder. And then has thrown every new wave of untrained mobiks after them over the last several months. There is no second line, and no counterattack outside your copium-riddled delusions. +--- 57909482 +>>57909429 +>ITT, shitskin thirdies actually believe this + +>>57909450 +>self-declared "largest main battle tank manufacturer in the world" +>completely fails to produce remotely modern MBTs +>can't even properly modernise fucking 60's vintage museum pieces + +LMAO. +--- 57909508 +>>57906281 +wdym +those kamovs are top of the line, they even seizure dance +--- 57909540 +>>57909450 +That explains why Russian armored advances are reduced to T-55s and T-62s along with MT-LBs with naval AA guns for turrets. +--- 57909542 +>>57909295 +Impressive, very nice. Let's see Russia's military reserves. +--- 57909565 +>>57909537 +>Russia is making hundreds of T90Ms a year +--- 57909569 +>>57909537 +>While Russia is making hundreds of T90Ms a year and modernizes 1600 old tanks +LMAO +--- 57909618 +>>57908726 +And the US lost in Vietnam, like how Russia will lose in Ukraine. +--- 57909635 +>>57906183 +>5. Well, the last thing is motivation. +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for, because they are forcibly driven somewhere where they have never been, where only death awaits them, they did not ask them to be sent there, their fate was decided by one person who wanted to make friends with the West. Ask a soldier of Ukraine what he is fighting for and he will not answer you normally (well, except that you can endure it for money). +Just kys white nigger lmao that shit is next level. And stop re-posting your shitty post on 2chan +--- 57909636 +>>57909300 +lol, it's already joever +--- 57909640 +>>57909537 +Holy shit he fucking deleted his post, what an absolute fucking embarrassment +--- 57909647 +>>57909635 +He's right tho +--- 57909658 +>>57909647 +Let's check on that source chief +--- 57909681 +>>57909452 +>Well good thing then that the Ukrainians have artillery superiority outside the copium-huffing wishful thinking of delusional vatnigger shills. + +Lol that's why they are getting fucked in Bakhmut, because their artillery is so superior. + +>And LMAO. Ukrainian logistics ar eutterly superior to Russias ill-managed, corruption-ridden garbage system. + +hohol logistics is dependant on the strength of their prayers for good camouflage against Russians bombardment. + +>And AFU maintenance facilities ar eright behind the frontline, because the Russians can't even bomb schools and apartment buildings all that effectively anymore outside of your delusions. Menawhile, russian maintenace facilities within 50-100km from the front have gone factually extinct owing to the utter superiority that HIMARS presents over all russian artillery and close-air capabilities. + +Russians are shooting down himars missiles daily now while they are bombing AFU supply and maintenance facilities every day. +ukraine just had an airraid alarm just now in Kiev and eastern ukraine.They got Geraned and some missiles, probably tornadoes.Funny thing is that Russia can shoot down himars missiles but ukraine with their nafo equipment can't shoot down the Russian equivalent to himars which is tornado. + +>And there is no second line, Vanya. Your shit-tier army is overstretched beyond hope and has already sent all its reserves and offensive potential to die in the Bakhmut meatgrinder. And then has thrown every new wave of untrained mobiks after them over the last several months. There is no second line, and no counterattack outside your copium-riddled delusions. + +This place is going to be fun when the hohol copefensive fails in a few weeks. + +Here is a blown up hohol fuel depot that they wanted to use for their super duper uber copefensive,it burned for 2 days. +https://files.catbox.moe/9a3s54.mp4 +--- 57909702 +>>57909658 +Ukraine has their own human rights groups rallying against that law +--- 57909712 +>>57909295 +>they are emptying their military reserves just so it can be blown up in ukraine by Russia. +That was weirdly phrased. +Don't you mean "they are emptying their military reserves so Ukrainians can blow up a shit ton of Russian mobiks and their clapped out Cold-War-era horseshit." ? + +Don't worry about those numbers in that chart. Russia is going full bore and it still isn't a fraction of what their opposition can produce without even getting on a war footing." +God save the Russians if the US actually decides to get serious; and devil take them if they provoke the US. + +As the Japanese Admiral said at the end of Tora Tora Tora: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." +--- 57909725 +>>57909380 +>1.1 trillion military budget alliance gets depleted from a proxy war against a 65 billion military budget country.Truly impressive. +Yeah, its almost like NATO isn't even on the playing field. Russia would evaporate like a fart in a wind tunnel inside a hurricane if NATO did show up. +--- 57909727 +>>57909450 +>picture of text +Well that proves it + +> According to Moscow Defense Brief, in 2008 the number of tanks produced by the company, was greater than the number of main battle tanks produced by all the other countries of the world put together.[6] +Straight up North Korea tier shitposting +--- 57909741 +>>57909702 +Let me guess, the 4th Internationale Friends of Ukraine Human Rights Wing opposes this law to punish desertion but they are completely silent when the Russians use barrier troops or massacre villages. You outed yourself as a lefty/pol/ nig. +--- 57909757 +>>57909452 +>Well good thing then that the Ukrainians have artillery superiority +where morons like this come from? Every side, Ukrainian, NATO, neutral, Russia, all agree that Russia currently uses around three times more shells than Ukraine on frontline, which lets them enjoy artillery superiority.I'd bash all of you "chearleaders" head in with a hammer for making Vatniks look 1% more reasonable by being insufferable tik-tok war retards spewing shit none ever said for. For what fucking reason do you even spew it? +--- 57909770 +>>57909757 +>t. completely ignores the quality of artillery used +--- 57909804 +>>57907138 +You just made that up. There's about +50,000 ukrainains getting trained in the west yearly if you actually add the numbers up. It's not hard to research the actual numbers... so That's about 5 to 10% of their fighting force. But this is every year so that percentage will climb. +--- 57909805 +>>57909658 +But it's true. +Why are they increasing punishments for desertion if everybody is happy to die for their gay jew overlord? +--- 57909817 +>>57909804 +bruh they're not coming back, they weren't even allowed to leave in the first place +--- 57909818 +>>57909757 +>Russia currently uses around three times more shells than Ukraine +Fruitlessly spamming empty fields until your barrel warps and explodes is not the flex you think it is. +Firing 25,000 shells an hour at strategically meaningless targets -- and missing -- only makes noise and smoke. Firing 6 HIMARs rounds at actual strategic targets -- and hitting them -- brings forth victory. +--- 57909824 +>>57909741 +It's a legit thing sponsored by EU, US + all the other usual actors. UKR troops need to have basic rights to avoid clearly suicidal orders. + +These things will be researched and published, worry not +--- 57909826 +>>57909757 +>Russia currently uses around three times more shells than Ukraine on frontline +>you and your buddy go out to hunt durr +>you fire three shots and go home empty handed +>your buddy fires one shot and bags a prize +>you had superiority of fires +--- 57909831 +>>57906183 +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for, because they are forcibly driven somewhere where they have never been, where only death awaits them, they did not ask them to be sent there, their fate was decided by one person who wanted to make friends with the West. Ask a soldier of Ukraine what he is fighting for and he will not answer you normally (well, except that you can endure it for money). +the absolute fucking state of zigger cope +--- 57909866 +>>57908726 +>whatabout that similar war where the invading side lost +How does this boost the confidence of Russian shills? +--- 57909902 +>>57909866 +It's not similar at all. We were deep into the nation building phase and failed. Russia won't even reach that phase. +--- 57909915 +>>57909770 +>>57909818 +>>57909826 +This is why I said I fucking hate "chearleader" faggots. You can ask Ukrainian soldiers, officers, ministry of defense, journalists or foreign volunteers. All of them will say that Russian artillery shell output advantage is a big problem and main reason why Russian army managed to move at all. But you faggots like to live on same planet of pink ponies where Russian MoD lives +--- 57909935 +>>57906183 +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for +The whole thing is hilarious cope but this one specifically takes the cake. Do these people live in a parallel universe or something? +--- 57909977 +>>57906183 +>5. Well, the last thing is motivation. +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation +I believe we call this a "cope" and it's one of the highest order +--- 57909983 +>>57906179 (OP) +> 2ch /po/ +Here's their invasion prediction. +--- 57910001 +>>57908726 +Also the Vietnam war was 20 years. In terms of what Russia lost in year 1 they were easily on track to surpass that given 20 years. + +Plus the US was actually producing and replenishing at sustainable rates throughout the war and was bogged down in Vietnam era surplus for the rest of the century. Rate of fire for US artillery increased in Vietnam for years and never really dropped because of supply issues. Meanwhile Russian arty has a terrible dud rate, terrible accuracy, and they’ve been dealing with catastrophic shortages for months. + +It shouldn’t have even even been close. Ukrainian artillery shouldn’t exist right now and Russian shills are acting like it’s a victory that they may also be running low. +--- 57910031 +>>57906725 +>Ukranians do have better pilots +Why on earth would this be true? And even if it was, would it matter? +--- 57910054 +>>57909915 +Russian output allowed them to move, yeah. Fucking months ago before HIMARS was on the scene. Now yes Russia has adjusted its strategy since and isn't losing major depots every day, but the compensatory effect is that the logistical chain to the front is more complex and more reliant on trucks Russia doesn't have driving further. They don't have the advantage they used to have. +Also, protip retard, no one likes gettting shot at by artillery. "Wow, I wish I wasn't getting shot at by artillery" is not code for "Russia is going to start consolidating city after city on the backs of their artillery like the early days of the war again" it's code for "Fuck, I hate artillery" +--- 57910061 +>>57909983 +Lol all that shit about their un-decryptable digital radio communications doesn’t matter when you just turn them off remotely as soon as the war starts. + +Oh didn’t even realize this guy predicted like a full emp call of doody attack. Wonder how they felt when it was actually like riot cops running out gas and getting sploded by Turkish drones. Too bad they didn’t have that Assassins creed system +--- 57910101 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 + +Tactical advantage of being disconnected from reality to the point of mental illness? +--- 57910103 +>>57907686 +The logic behind linking the Kharkov counteroffensive to the upcoming one is the same used for the battle of the bulge. Completely different realities, why do people keep bringing this up? +--- 57910245 +>>57910054 +half of your post has nothing to do with what I said because you're clearly sub 100 IQ moron. +First of all not +> Fucking months ago before HIMARS was on the scene +Russia managed to push around Bakhmut thanks to their sheer artillery output and complete disregard for lives of their infantry, but one wouldn't work without the other. +> They don't have the advantage they used to have +>"Russia is going to start consolidating city after city on the backs of their artillery like the early days of the war again" +None made this argument you retarded fucking moron. Not everyone who disagrees with you is fucking moronic zigger who believes that. So why are you aggressively misrepresent what I say? +>Also, protip retard, no one likes gettting shot at by artillery +Not the fucking point. Everyone who actually who fights there or being there agrees that at present time, Russia has artillery advantage. Then why on earth does /k/ pretend that's not the case? +--- 57910248 +>>57909348 +What the fuck are you on about they have at least 2 +UVZ doing T-90M and T-72B3 +KBTM doing T-80BVM +and then various smaller plants like 103rd Armor Repair Plant doing stuff like T-62s and T-72Bs +--- 57910308 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +I see that the Russians population are still utterly deluded and trying to suck their own dicks still. Good. I'm actually glad at the stage that Russians are still lying to themselves. Even more delightful the complete dismay when the Ukrainians tear them a new asshole and the Russians are finally confronted with the fact their nation is a failed and internationally loathed one, ruled by a worthless criminal dictators gang becoming increasingly irrelevant by the day, a joke, a subject of scorn mockery and justified contempt. +--- 57910330 +>>57908168 +Russians accusations are projections. +--- 57910378 +>>57908161 +The lack of replies to this is telling +--- 57910421 +>>57910248 +Uralvagonzavod is the parent, maybe he shouldn't have literally said "factory", but it's the only company making new tanks in all of Russia.... compared to all of NATO + Ukraine lol +--- 57910485 +>>57908161 +1st guards is considered light defence? Noted. I’m sure grinding down your premier tank division into ventilated scrap so bad a few thousand lads in technicals manage to force it to flee isn’t a massive humiliation at all and cannot be replicated. +--- 57910531 +>>57910485 +1st guards had been mauled the entire war up to that point and was at like 30% strength or something i forget. so at that point, yes, it was. they were supposed to be replaced by that volunteer army but they also dieded +--- 57910567 +>>57909508 +[tiny]sneed[/tiny] +--- 57910640 +>>57910245 +>half of your post has nothing to do with what I said because you're clearly sub 100 IQ moron. +You don't understand the point of making a case because you never tried. You based your argument on the pillar of ammo consumption equating to performance which is pants on head retarded, and you haven't done anything since but complain that everyone else is misrepresenting you or cheerleading. I already gave you more benefit of the doubt than you deserved by giving you any kind of genuine reply. +>Russia managed to push around Bakhmut thanks to their sheer artillery output and complete disregard for lives of their infantry, but one wouldn't work without the other. +Actually, if all else is at parity I think you'll find being willing to throw hundreds of thousands of men at a problem helps a lot. +>Not the fucking point +It is the fucking point because all you can say is people on the ground aren't happy. No shit they are not happy you dumb nigger it's a war. People on both sides are constantly complaining that they are starved of ammo, getting pounded by artillery, struggling to keep machines going and people are dying around them because those are things that you constantly deal with in A FUCKING WAR. +--- 57910732 +>>57910421 +>Compared to all of NATO + Ukraine +US - no new tanks built since 1994, only refurbishments of a mighty.. 15 tanks/month +UK - Lost all ability to build any tanks +France - last Leclerc built in 2008 +Germany - Can produce new Leopard 2A7s at a blistering rate of 2 per month and Rheinmetal expects refurbish 20-25 Leopard 2A4 for Ukraine in 1 year. so what? 2 tanks/month +The west isn't in a better position +Ukraine - The Malyshev Factory was actually hit pretty hard on day 1. Ukrainian tank manufacture was already pretty dire with the Thailand Oplot order of 50 tanks taking way too long to complete. Ukrainian MIC at the moment can only repair their heavy equipment in makeshift workshops, not produce more of it. +So no Russia outproduces the West on both new production vehicles ( batches of 10 T-90M were delivered in May, August, December, January, so ~40 new build tanks in one year) ++ 20-30 refurbished/month varying in quality from T-72B3 to T-62M +--- 57910738 +>>57906179 (OP) +>vatanon +>2ch /po/ +We really are scraping the bottom of the barrel +At least Twitter has usernames +--- 57910814 +>>57908305 +That doesn't work. +--- 57910818 +>>57909983 +Oh look, that guy thinks he lives in a first world country. How cute. +--- 57910830 +>>57910732 +Why did you spend time writing that out? Look how many tanks NATO has that they can give to Ukraine + what Ukraine has/captured + +How many Abrams and Leos were built? 10k? 15k? 20k? Getting those to Ukraine is question of political will alone. Enjoy your 20 "refurbished" museum pieces pidor +--- 57910831 +>>57906179 (OP) +>SEAD & FEAD +>long dick HIMARS +If Moscow wasn't still kayfabe communist they wouldn't be deploying 1940s LARP 'de-nazification' talk. +--- 57910857 +>>57910732 +>we can take old useless mothballed tanks and dust them off faster then the west can build modern MBTs +Nice cope +--- 57910877 +>>57906179 (OP) +>American helicopters +What? When did we send helicopters? +--- 57910885 +>>57910732 +>US - no new tanks built since 1994, only refurbishments of a mighty.. 15 tanks/month + +That rate is discretionary and oddly small, but not everyone plans wisely. Abrams gut rehab means no "new" hulls since 1994 not "effectively new" vehicles overhauled to zero operating time condition. Confusing hull production with system youth is a noob mistake. Unless one runs low on hulls they are simply not a limfac. Overhaul to zero time is what that says. It's also common with aircraft engines. + +If desired US reserves can simply be got running without refurb and any defects found repaired on the spot for the minor stuff. That's simple mechanics. Tanks etc only intimidate non-technical people who never worked on military systems. US WRM storage is mostly in comfy climes. Really ancient shit needs more work but no Abrams are ancient by vehicle standards. M113 pre-A3 are ancient for example. +--- 57910904 +>>57909805 +>truth +>socialists +don't make me laugh +--- 57910910 +>>57910732 +Those russian T-whatever will not have proper electronics and thermals comparable to western tanks. They're half-blind matchboxes that will be useful as infantry tanks/SPGs, but utterly fucked if they have to meet their counterparts or the many ATGMs used by ukies. +--- 57910921 +>>57910830 +>why doesn't every country on earth donate their entire military to Ukraine? +--- 57910962 +>>57910921 +>pajeet media +lol, lmao even +--- 57910969 +>>57909804 +Most of those are getting a couple weeks of basic infantry training. NATO has a hard enough time training it's own specialist forces in advanced tactics and on specific advanced equipment. How much are these militaries willing to throw a wrench in their already too slow pipelines to train Ukranians? Legit question but I haven't heard anything about NATO bumping people off courses to make room for Ukranians. +--- 57910979 +>>57910904 +It links to the law itself. +You're not very good at this. +--- 57910993 +>>57910969 +Nobody ever pays their NATO budgets, the only relevant player is the U.S., and our economy is imploding because "just print more money and just take on more debt" has finally caught up with us, and nobody is even attempting a solution. +--- 57911010 +>>57910031 +I suspect Russia still has a large surplus of "pilots" despite losses because their civil aviation has collapsed. Are they not drafting or recruiting laid-off airline pilots? +--- 57911016 +>>57910979 +>fag things the public should be outraged at American spies actually doing their job properly for once +discarded +--- 57911027 +>>57911016 +so, what, ukraine and the U.S. are enemies now? +--- 57911033 +>>57911027 +>allies or friends don't spy on each other +Are you just pretending to be retarded? +--- 57911053 +>>57910921 +HAHHAHAHAHHA + +What a fucking pidor + +HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA +--- 57911063 +>>57909647 +We've already looked at and discussed this proposed amendment when it was originally planned. If you think a small clarification of an existing law that has spent almost an year in discussion after getting originally rejected by parliament is indicative of serious problems, I guess what's happening in Russia right now suggests nobody supports the war. +--- 57911068 +>>57911027 +The U.S. and all countries all spy on each other, even allies. You're a moron if you don't know that. Same with having U.S. special forces in Ukraine for security and advisory. All that is info anyone with half a brain in foreign affairs would not be surprised by. +--- 57911087 +>>57911068 +I think it's plausible 5-Eyes don't spy on each other's *governments* as a matter of policy, but do spy on private citizens for one another. +--- 57911100 +>>57911068 +Was getting caught part of the plan? +--- 57911107 +>>57910248 +Yes, it's producing tanks at such an impressive rate they're using T-55s by choice... +--- 57911129 +>>57909380 +>budget +You mean to tell me a country that is not at war is still at peacetime levels? Do ou realize on how retarded you sound? The russians are making less than that while the west only spends like a small fraction of their budget. +--- 57911157 +>>57909636 +>actually believes in that +The west and the dollar is still strong. You niggers been fearmongering this for the past decade and the people that are pushing this are either retarded thirdies or crypto niggers. +--- 57911162 +>>57910830 +Majority of the ~10k Abrams + Leopard 2 are not in any shape to be put into service any time soon especially with the industrial capacity currently available. +>>57910885 +By that logic the T-72B3 and T-80BVM programs are also "new tanks" since many of the systems get upgraded from engine to fire control system. But lets not fucking kid ourselves. +>>57910857 +Russia builds more new MBTs then the west though. Since only Germany actually produces MBTs nowadays. +--- 57911193 +>>57911162 +>Russia builds more new MBTs then the west though. Since only Germany actually produces MBTs nowadays. +You mean them refurbishing old tanks? Remind me again on why they only produced like 10 t-90ms in the entirety of 2022? Its one thing to produce tanks, its another to prpduce them with excellent quality while making sure they are adequate in the current age. +--- 57911207 +>>57911193 +>10 t-90ms in the entirety of 2022 +They didn't though? +There were 3 deliveries of 10 tanks each as I have said in 2022. So 30 tanks in total +--- 57911243 +>>57906179 (OP) +I see vatnigger is projecting. +He's hating. +trying to catch you ridin dirty +--- 57911250 +>>57906726 +The Ukrainians are still swarming in their own AA. The Russians can't do anything about that. +--- 57911272 +>>57907138 +Once the Ukies are in NATO they will be the ones presenting the Power Points +--- 57911273 +>>57906573 +There is a lot one could say of Stacy Dooley but master propagandist doesn't seem likely to me. +--- 57911287 +>>57911162 +Nigger they build 20 monkey model tanks a year and resurrect up to 9 ancient tanks per month in fucking Uralvagonzavod. 9 is the best they can do per month, only if they're lucky. They have two other repair factories churning out resurrected tanks at a similar pace. So assuming an average of 5x3x12 for 1 year plus the 20 brand new monkey models, that's a total of fucking 200 tanks to join the ranks. When they lost 3,200 in one year. Do the math. +--- 57911296 +>>57911207 +Whoa, so they took 30 T-72B2s, changed the turret slightly, gave them 80s thermals and then slapped as much ERA as humanly possible in them? How can the west compete with the they/thembrahams with their puny one-piece ammo? +--- 57911307 +>>57911162 +Ironically enough you memoryholed T-72 to T-90 conversion, which is indeed the same process Abrahams go to become from M1 to M1A2s +--- 57911321 +>>57907242 +Anon, did you memoryholed the whole depot's of supplies and equipment the Russians left for Ukraine to take during the Kharkiv Counter-Offensive? +It was so bad it caused Putin to be forced to call for the "partial mobilization" to stabilize the Frontline. +--- 57911337 +>>57911287 +We were being told they could do 50+ a week. "It has been confirmed" of course. + +I quite like the "it has been confirmed" tic from vatniks, it shows their servile nature. The westerner asks how it has been confirmed, the Russian knows that the conversation is now over unless they want the gulag. +--- 57911352 +>>57911100 +The Ukrainian government pretty much stated they were disappointed, but not surprised the US had been spying on Zelenskyy +--- 57911354 +>>57909149 +For good reason, why would you do exercises that just end in your forces curb stomping OPFOR? What's the value in that? You'll hear lots of anecdotes of soldiers in the field figuring out a cheat code vs OPFOR that gives them a huge advantage and then the next cycle of forces has to contend with OPFOR implementing the same tactic or just completely countering it. +--- 57911372 +>>57906179 (OP) +>American helicopters are outdated compared to the new Russian ones +--- 57911381 +>tanks +where T-14? +--- 57911429 +>>57909915 +>Moving at all. +Post Bakhmut status. +--- 57911440 +>>57909915 +>from 1:30 to 1:2-3 in one year after the great soviet shitpiles were either blown up, used, or abandooned +Not looking good for Puccia is it +--- 57911450 +>>57911287 +A) They've delivered at least 40 T-90Ms since 1 year of the war (30 in 2022, 10 in 2023 ) as far as I can track, the likely figure is more for 2023 (at least 1 more batch) +B) What has their losses got to do with their production. Yeah they aren't replacing their losses any time soon, we all know that. Ukraine has it good for the moment since their tank fleet (at least in Jan 2023) was larger then at the start of the war. This was despite ~400 losses, because of Pole + Czech + other eastern Euros delivered over 300 T-72M/M1s and a 100-200 captured tanks were put into service. +>>57911307 +No such thing as a T-72 to T-90 conversion, because no T-72s have been converted to T-90s unlike M1A1 to M1A2. +T-90 is a T-72 with the V-92 engine, Shtora and the Irtysh Fire control system from the T-80U/UD rather then the 1A40 used in all T-72Bs., T-90A is basically the same tank but with welded turret. Some T-72s have recieved the V-92 engine (T-72B3Ms), no T-72s have recieved Shtora or Irtysh and B3Ms use the 1A40 as a backup sight for the SOSNA-U +T-90M builds upon the T-90/T-90A, by giving the commander an RWS + other improvements +>>57911296 +> 30 T-72B2 +T-72B2 was a prototype/expo tank +No T-72B3s are converted to T-90Ms. T-90Ms are new production vehicles. T-72B3s were sitting in Siberia for 30 years before they were refurbished +--- 57911489 +>>57911450 +Good point, unluckily, the Russians have claimed they have over a thousand T-90s, meaning that your numbers based off actual russian production are totally wrong and thus you're gay. +--- 57911643 +>>57909295 +Implessive how Russian tanks keep blowing up American Javelins. + +Note that the US is not highly dependent upon Javelins, Stingers, or even Excaliburs. There are other ways to kill enemy tanks and planes (starting with the USAF), and for some reason the US has chosen not to send over any PGKs, which are almost as good as Excalibur, produced in far greater quantities (100,000+ as of 11/22 as per Northrup), and far cheaper, too. + +In fact, about the only munitions that are being taken directly from the factory line instead of going to the Army are GMLRS-ERs. Ukraine is otherwise mostly getting either munitions that are approaching their use-by date, or bulk items like unguided 155mm that *can* readily have their production surged. So, no, I'm not too concerned about the US not having enough capabilities left to deal with the Red Army if the latter were to somehow conquer Ukraine and keep going into Poland. Frankly, I'm more concerned with the senior leadership focusing more on political indoctrination than on training their troops to fight. Russia has demonstrated quite well what happens when you do that. +--- 57911662 +why on earth would anyone care what some random imageboarder thinks +--- 57911723 +>>57909295 +Numbers are out of date, Javelins have around 10,000 sent and surge rate goal is around 4,000. +>https://lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/2022/ramping-up-javelin-production-to-support-increased-demands.html +>To increase production to nearly 4,000 per year, Lockheed Martin is ramping up production on its already-active manufacturing line and with Javelin’s supply chain partners. Lockheed Martin is also investing in accelerating the long-lead supply chain parts and equipment needed to support higher rates of production and speed delivery to our customers. +--- 57912015 +>>57911157 +it's ogre +--- 57912042 +>>57911381 +Broken down in a field outside yakutsk +--- 57912061 +>>57912015 +>be libertarian +>want the liberal democratic system to fall apart and be replaced by a group of corrupt oligarchies +I love libertarians but god fucking damn do they have the most retarded opinions on foreign policy +--- 57912071 +>>57911723 +https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2023_global_security_army_industry/saab_targeting_production_of_400_000_anti-tank_weapon_and_ammunition_a_year.html +--- 57912189 +>>57909915 +>All of them will say that Russian artillery shell output advantage is a big problem +Only in so much as it really hurts when 1 of those 10,000 actually hits something. But you still have not addressed the point I was making. +If you shoot 25,000 shells and +1) miss 95% of the time, +2) miss anything strategically relevant 99% of the time +3) shoot until you warp/destroy your own barrel (That, I must remind you, you can't easily replace because Puccian logistics are garbage.) +4) shoot enough that counterbattery fire can home in on you easily. +....is just more examples of sub-retard Stalinesque hurr durr "Quantity has a Quality all its own" and the generals being drooling simpletons pretending they have an "infinite ammo cheat" active IRL. +This is why 8 HIMARs units pushed Russia's shit back in sideways. +Russia's wasteful, inefficient strat is killing them and you are too stupid and mentally assraped to grasp it. + +>But you faggots like to live on same planet of pink ponies where Russian MoD lives +Quoting Girkin unironically? What a toolshed. +--- 57912367 +>>57906179 (OP) +>>57906183 +ukraine and the banderite population still fighting this insane proxy war quite literally deserve their fate, and it will relieve the world of human scum as they are blasted into meat chunks on some meaningless forgotten Russian artillery range + +the US and nato should have NEVER attempted to invade Russia +--- 57912373 +>>57906179 (OP) +>the very first point is just the classic vatnik cope about air coordination completely ignoring the drones who are very effective for this type of work + +This vatnigger ngmi +--- 57912869 +>>57912061 +>want +It's happening whether you want it or not. +--- 57912962 +>>57910921 +>sri lankan media +kys +--- 57913117 +>>57911287 +according to who? Kyiv Independent? UK MOD? Western Experts? Pentagon Spokesperson? +lol +--- 57913156 +>>57912869 +>ids habbening!1!! +lolbertarian or seething thirdie? +--- 57913203 +>>57906179 (OP) +That's a whole lot of vatnig protection. Hilarious. +--- 57913301 +>>57912367 +--- 57913310 +>>57912367 +bad bait 3/10 please try again later +--- 57914372 +>>57909450 +>Largest main battle tank manufacturer in the world +>Yet Russia still has to use T-62's and even fucking T-55's +--- 57914394 +>>57906183 +>5. Well, the last thing is motivation. +>The Armed Forces of Ukraine have no motivation, they do not know what they are fighting for, because they are forcibly driven somewhere where they have never been, where only death awaits them, they did not ask them to be sent there, their fate was decided by one person who wanted to make friends with the West. Ask a soldier of Ukraine what he is fighting for and he will not answer you normally (well, except that you can endure it for money). +They almost had a good demoralization post but then they just had to fly too close to the sun. +In reality, Wagner have been praising Ukrainian tactics and morale, citing high morale as why they have been such tough opponents. +--- 57914396 +>>57906179 (OP) +>According to Ukraine, the personnel are trained according to NATO programs, or according to some European programs. But is it really so? The fact is that many videos from the telegram channels from the Armed Forces of Ukraine tell us that they are not properly trained, but thrown straight to the front line, and they are treated there like meat. +The old saying holds true. Whenever a vatnik accuses you of something, assume it to be true of their own side. +--- 57914405 +>>57909429 +>threatening everyone with sanctions +That's not a stick, that's just the possible removal of a carrot you have grown dependant upon +--- 57914518 +>>57908939 +>Russian equipment have interoperability +My dude, the Russians are using three different calibers of tank ammunition. +--- 57914530 +>>57906179 (OP) +1) makes no sense +2) russians complaining about others not being trained and treated like meat? +--- 57914616 +>>57909983 +My favorite part is: +>We have a magic radar that makes their weapons explode if they try to shoot at us. +--- 57914645 +>>57908161 +>They simply don't have enough now that Russia has hundreds of thousands in Ukraine +nah +Means fuck-all anyway even if the did. Russia had >120,000 men at the time of the Kharkov collapse in-theater (let's count Wagner/LND/DNR with the rest) at the time. Didn't fucking matter though because they were all in the wrong places at the wrong time and they didn't have the logistical mass to move people around to correct the situation before losing Izyum and Lyman over the course of (*gasp*) two weeks. +Given the wonders at Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, and the "break out" (lol) at Kreminna I have no reason to believe they are any better allocated, and do actually have quite a few reasons to believe they are much worse equipped, worse trained, with even further degraded logistics, and worse officers. Or maybe Murz and co are full of shit and actually NAFO shills. +Dunno. +>They will not make the same mistake again, as evidenced by their recent mobilization orders and built defenses along every inch of the front. +We know from Vuhledar and RU troop intercepts thereof that the men who go on offenses are the ones who can be coerced and cowed into doing so, and those that DON'T are so because they are nearly at the point of rioting. Which is why the 155th got to die several times over while others in that direction stayed violently uninvolved. + +What that means is these amazing (shit) defensive lines are staffed by those who cannot be trusted to actually strike out from a FOB at the Ukrainians with any real will, vigor, or even passing interest. +I'm sure when facing down the death they've spent so many months avoiding with great hostility towards the RU MoD they will suddenly become super patriots, with amazing logistically backing too boot, and not totally abandon their posts at the mere hint of the line being penetrated while materials quickly run dry. +Except, you know, they will. +--- 57914737 +>>57906179 (OP) +delusional +--- 57914944 +>>57910031 +Small fleet = small crew = can train them more on a same budget +Russia on the other hand has abysmal amount of flight hour per yer per pilot, and thats from official russian reports, which most likely have that number stat-padded already by a big margin to look better than it is +--- 57914953 +>>57909354 +t. increasingly worried +--- 57915289 +>>57906179 (OP) +> can't help outting himself as a vatn1gger by the third point. +Considering the effort posting that make it clear this isn't just some slide attempt; I'm now convinced that russians are truly low IQ subhuman. diff --git a/k/57906275.txt b/k/57906275.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35c9954597682ce9a6f7cf6a1aca6be943759f58 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57906275.txt @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +----- +--- 57906275 +When all the thirdies' T-55s are finally worn out or shot to death, what will replace them? Modern western tanks seem too complex and expensive for third world countries to maintain. I have doubts Russia will have enough T-72s to sell off following the end of this war, besides some countries would struggle even to maintain modern variants of those. +Will we see countries develop new cheapo tanks for poor militaries, similar to how FA-50s and Tejas are being marketed as replacements for old third gen jets, or will they just push the duties filled by old tanks onto smaller vehicles like IFVs and APCs? +--- 57906296 +>>57906275 (OP) +T34's with era blocks +--- 57906297 +>>57906275 (OP) +Technicals +--- 57906298 +>>57906275 (OP) +Third-world-ers have moved past tanks. See Afghanistan, Chad, and Iraq as examples. +--- 57906305 +>>57906296 +In thirdie service, I know the Russians will end up using BT tanks +--- 57906306 +>>57906275 (OP) +some of those chinese light tanks most probably +--- 57906318 +>>57906275 (OP) +The next cheapest thing, Russian BMP’s uparmored with ERA bricks to protect against RPG-7 warheads +>not a large bore cannon +>autocannon instead +>can carry troops inside or outside +>ERA helps protect against HEAT warheads commonly used in RPG-7 +--- 57906338 +>>57906275 (OP) +Russia has enough T-72s the problem is restoring them to working condition. China probably has some older models like Type-96 that they would be willing to sell or might make a new model just for export if the demand rises. +--- 57906348 +>>57906275 (OP) +Toyota hiluxes with atgms and quad rotor shit box drones. Maybe an emerging industrial nation like Nigeria will make a gen 3.5x retro tank for export. +--- 57906364 +>>57906298 +Have they? A quick google search shows all three of them still using tanks. +--- 57906386 +>>57906298 +>Third worlders have moved past tanks +>Posts a dirt poor mountainous country that never had heavy tanks to begin with, a country with a tank fleet, and a country with a very large tank fleet +You fucking retard. +--- 57906388 +For African thirdies I guess Chinese tanks like the Type 59G and the VT4. + +Most thirdie countries in Asia can keep up with modern (at least the 1980-90s) tanks nowadays. Egypt & Iraq uses 1st gen Abrams for example. + +>>57906298 +The Iraqi Army has 300 Abrams tanks, Chad have Sino-Soviet Tanks lol and Afghanistan isnt a tank country in the first place. +--- 57906410 +>>57906275 (OP) +Nothing. Once old Soviet stock craps out in African counties, it becomes a lost technology. +Any vehicle will be prized and many uninformed will flee it simply because "Holy shit it's a tank!", without thought for how to actually knock one If/when the Chinese try their hand in Africa then the only source of vehicles will be captures. +--- 57906411 +>>57906306 +this, I don't think anyone else would bother making economy tanks for africa +--- 57906412 +>>57906275 (OP) + +North Korea will take over the Russian tank market. Screencap this post. +--- 57906463 +>>57906275 (OP) +Definitely Chinese tanks. The VT-4 is already a thing in Nigeria for example. North Korea is a big maybe. Russia will likely keep selling T-72's, but China is a major influence for African countries lately, while Russia has been sleeping on it. +--- 57908259 +>>57906275 (OP) +Drones +--- 57908429 +>>57906306 +>some of those chinese light tanks most probably +This or Western IFV's with 120mm cannons, maybe the Griffin. We might also see a sell off of western tanks in 10-30 years when they decide to replace em. Also a lot of thirdies have T-72's or T-90's that they might sell to poorer thidies when they replace em. +--- 57908442 +>>57906275 (OP) +Somalian mecha suits +--- 57908504 +>>57906306 +This. Chinks are already waging an economical war in Africa and will probably replace Russia as an arms supplier. Turkey could be a second option. +--- 57910253 +Well first you need to ask yourself "why do loads of third world countries have soviet shit?" Well, it was sold en masse for cheap for business/influence in the buying nation. So, following this logic, the thing that replaces stuff like this will be some kind of Chinese dirt cheap thing. Maybe an upgrade package for one of their older models or maybe a new thing alltogether (vt4) +--- 57910277 +>>57906275 (OP) +>what replaces T-55s? +The Toyota Hilux. +--- 57910494 +>>57906275 (OP) +Don't Americans still have plenty of Pattons in storage? Many Leopard 1s haven't been scrapped either. +>>57906318 +Has any country really produced significant amounts of ERA, which would indeed stop RPG-7 on it's own, without blowing BMP's under 20mm sides apart? +--- 57910525 +>>57906275 (OP) +They have a few years worth of tanks still. +But at this rate they need to restart T-72 production or vastly expand T-90 production. Possibly create a new tank that fits somewhere between the two. +--- 57910536 +>>57910494 +>which would indeed stop RPG-7 on it's own +You're better off just putting cage armor on the vehicle, of which a kit does exist for the BMP-2 and 3. +--- 57910789 +>>57910494 +America scrapped or sold off all its really old stuff during the post cold war downsizing. American excellence meant that, unlike the Russian scrapping program, it was actually carried out. The only countries with m48s and m60s are the US's allies in Asia, and Turkey. +--- 57911638 +>>57906412 +vgh I love nork tanks so much +--- 57911886 +>>57910253 +>Well, it was sold en masse for cheap for business/influence in the buying nation + +I mean influence is probably the only way to look at it and even then it was flimsy. The USSR was notorious for giving away free junk - there's stories of Finnish border guards seeing endless trains carrying scrap iron blowing past their posts whenever Kekkonen was working his magic. Also why it became so profitable to flirt with the USSR whenever the west criticised African regimes - they'd dump on you free stuff and it would make the west jelly enough to take you back. + +This isn't something I imagine China doing but I can imagine a world where the US realises China can outspend it and opts for leveraging its far stronger military industrial complex. +--- 57912070 +>>57910277 +it'll be lada nivas in the post soviet region. +--- 57912072 +>>57911886 +It's really amazing what kinds of deals thirdies robbed the USSR blind on. Shit like "give the Soviet foreign policy lip service in a scripted press conference for two minutes and we'll build a hydroelectric dam and give you four mechanized divisions" they were absolute steals with very few strings attached. +--- 57912468 +>>57910789 +>The only countries with m48s and m60s are the US's allies in Asia, and Turkey. +israel has about 100 magach 7s +but they are all earmarked for sale and will never see combat +--- 57913312 +>>57906463 +Russia hasn't been "sleeping on it", it's just that the firesale is over. Russian tanks were cheap because they had a bazillion of them ready to move. They sold them for much less than they likely ever cost, because the country that paid for them didn't exist anymore. + +Soviet stuff was never truly "cheap", its just that the country that made it didn't even count its own economy in a normal way and didn't care about the cost, and the country that followed it didn't even have to make them. Even China won't likely match the absolute screaming price you used to be able to get for things like the T54/55 and T72s in the 90s. +--- 57914168 +>>57906275 (OP) +A lot of third world countries using leopard 1s and modern Chinese tanks. Handful of obscure export tanks like the Vickers MBT and Al Khalid floating around backwards shitholes, plus one-off domestic shit like that argentine Marder tank or the Thai stingray knockoff. But really I don't see Russian armor going anywhere anytime soon, they will still export when the war is over and even if they cant; the pajeets have their own active T72 plant that can fulfill orders. +--- 57914319 +>>57906275 (OP) +This isn't the Cold War anymore, many Third World Countries economies have stabilized and are capable of purchasing & operating 4th-5th gen tanks. +--- 57914548 +>>57906275 (OP) +Chinese shit off alibaba +--- 57914566 +>>57906275 (OP) +--- 57914639 +Chinese tanks, as things are the chinese only need around 1 or 2 decades to completely take over the southern hemisphere, I don't think the west will bother as China is simply adquiring all the locations USA and EU no longer care about. Why they should? +--- 57914640 +>>57911886 +I don't think we will break into exporting afvs to any third world country ever. They simply don't have much use for what we have in that department and we have no plans for building export afvs. China on the other hand has stuff that fits their needs and motivation to give big discounts. Heard this one before? +Until we decide to make our own vickers mbt we won't be supplying the kenyas of the world anything more than mraps maybe diff --git a/k/57906358.txt b/k/57906358.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a99a0f1a0b57eb348cfc7c07d1243e2279bd73dd --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57906358.txt @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +----- +--- 57906358 +Why is there so much fantasy when it comes to guns https://youtu.be/LmJkxCpSKMY [Embed] +--- 57906393 +>those comments +I hate normies so fucking much. Who the fuck still watches the Daily Show? +--- 57906434 +>>57906358 (OP) +>sneaks into +Pretty sure you can just walk in my guy. +--- 57906436 +It almost sounds like they live in their own reality which they reinforce by unwatching unfunny shit like it +--- 57906455 +The people who still watch late night talk shows in 2023 are the most braindead, willfully gaslit people imaginable. There is no saving them. +--- 57906467 +>>57906393 +The types of people who get 90%+ of the coffee they drink at Starbuck's and claim that people who make 5 or more figures less a year salary are oppressing them. +--- 57906482 +>>57906467 +Strawmen? +--- 57906585 +>>57906358 (OP) +> gun bad because … well thy just are, ok? + +Look, I get it’s a “comedy” show, I’m not expecting the pinnacle of investigative journalism here, but this was just fucking poor. I mean it’s not even worth “debating” this fag when the editing team will make you look like “le bad guy”. +--- 57906655 +>>57906358 (OP) +starting a thread with just a link should be a permaban +--- 57906672 +The comment section… leftism is a disease +--- 57906782 +>>57906358 (OP) +Can anyone explain the logic behind being anti gun ownership? +>Look at all the gun deaths +Vast majority of it is gang violence or blacks with bad anger management. +>No one should have guns. Not even the police or military +Impossible dream +--- 57906965 +>>57906393 +>Who the fuck still watches the Daily Show? +The most NPC of NPCs imaginable, even Reddit universally believes that current era TDS is unwatchable garbage that should have died once Stewart left +--- 57907067 +Daily Show alumni Jordan Klepper you say? +--- 57907169 +>>57906782 +It's a duplicitous attempt to disarm you because what they are really afraid of is right wing whites murdering them and their pets. Which we should and will do so I suppose their fear is justified, but not their lies. +--- 57907348 +>>57907169 +You sound like a fag +--- 57907372 +>>57907348 +Nah he’s right. Also: +It didn’t happen +They deserved it +It’s gonna happen again +--- 57907569 +>>57906782 +Because these are the same people who will happily use the police and military as weapons, by calling them on you, if youre playing a video game "loudly" while they are trying to get their beauty sleep or you look "funny". +--- 57907648 +>>57906358 (OP) +>gun control faggots name is literally “bussy” +Lmfao, pottery +--- 57908055 +>>57906585 +I really enjoy how when he asked what they used an ar15 for, they said wild hogs, and he then acted like that was retarded. Cityfaggots have no idea what these things do to the countryside and how aggressive they can be. +--- 57908282 +>>57906782 +>>Look at all the gun deaths +>Vast majority of it is gang violence or blacks with bad anger management. +I was under the impression a slight majority of gun deaths was suicide, with a slight minority being homicide and accidents being 1% +--- 57908318 +>>57908282 +I think some people don't count suicides as gun deaths because of the assumption those people would have killed themselves anyway even if there were no guns. +--- 57908476 +>>57908318 +nowadays they just flagrantly put it under "gun violence" clearly to confuse the ignorant masses which is not a new tactic for them +--- 57911365 +>>57906782 +It's not complicated. Anyone who doesn't want you to have a gun is planning to do something they think you'd shoot them over. +--- 57911420 +>>57906358 (OP) +Didnt watch the gay shit but I choose the cute goblin in the second half of OP image. The top one is lustful and offputting. The bottom one is cute and playful. +--- 57911500 +>>57911420 +based fellow non-lust based love enjoyer +--- 57912651 +>>57906393 +moms, mid-30s people who accidentally became gen-xers +--- 57912890 +>>57906358 (OP) +>these comments +I'm going to take great fucking pleasure in rounding these things up and shooting them in the back of the head. There can be no negotiation with them. +--- 57913091 +>>57906358 (OP) +>some lanky fag keeps pushing loaded questions on rednecks +>when he gets a legitimate answer (hog hunting) he belittles them and acts like wild hogs are identical to farm pigs +>comment section is filled with supreme fsggots +Just cut the shit and force everyone starting in elementary school to take firearms training classes. +--- 57913102 +>>57906782 +Malice or stupidity, one of the two +--- 57913625 +>>57906358 (OP) +>here you have Kyle Rittenhouse, all the shit he's wearing, shooting protesters. +Yes those people were totally just protesters ignore what led up to those people being shot. I really haven't watched any late-night shows for a few years but I can totally see how it just reinforces these contrived talking points. Something that I am sure will contribute to a wonderful discussion with anti-gun people diff --git a/k/57906509.txt b/k/57906509.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2efd15e85796521d6acf35e7d68dd9ee668ec535 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57906509.txt @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +----- +--- 57906509 +what would be the ideal weapon/tool for scarification?What i mean is what sort of knife would leave the biggest scars if used either on yourself or somebody else without killing +Also how deep of a cut does it have to be to reach organs or nerves +--- 57906517 +>>57906509 (OP) +branding iron +--- 57906520 +Dont be a pussy, scar yourself using red hot iron +--- 57906524 +>>57906509 (OP) +>scarification +This is some 14 year old level vocabulary. +--- 57906532 +Oooh, someone's hoping to be all edgy and shit. +--- 57906539 +>>57906524 +would you rather i say cicatrization you ass +--- 57906542 +>>57906509 (OP) +I'd use that cow hoof trimming knife, look it up and you'll understand why +--- 57906544 +>>57906539 +it sounds less gay +--- 57906552 +>>57906509 (OP) +https://tips.fbi.gov/ +--- 57906561 +>>57906539 +You could have said "leaving a scar" instead of being retard or pompous. +--- 57907094 +>Be OP +>Be retarded faggot +Sad! Many such cases. +--- 57907401 +Skin infection can turn a whole limb into scar tissue. +--- 57907529 +>>57906552 +Adam Friedland? +--- 57908876 +>>57906509 (OP) +Look up how african tribes do it, then realize you're too much of a pussy to do it and apologize to your parents for being such a waste of their time +--- 57910546 +>>57906509 (OP) +>knife +Chainsaw. +--- 57911332 +>>57906552 +1) That is not his back +2) Nigga is rocking one hell of a foreskin so HOW THE FUCK is he jewish?? +3) That isn't even a swastika, I can do better, hmu +--- 57912624 +>>57911332 +That's his elbow and that scratch (which is what it really looks like, three fingers scratch at an angle and one vertical) about on his left shoulderblade/side area. Anon, stop thinking about dicks so much. +--- 57912655 +>>57906509 (OP) +scarification has nothing to do with the weapon used. You can give somebody a permanent scar with a safety pin. You can also shear off a significant amount of your face in a motorbike accident and recover with no scarring. +>>>/medicalschool/ +--- 57912693 +>>57906509 (OP) +acid or fire +--- 57913149 +What are you aiming for? If it's "Oh I want to make myself look hard" don't. Most employers will immediately reject you on the spot if they see scars that look self-inflicted. + +If you are attempting to do scarification for tattoos, your method is impractical, but I'll more then kindly explain a better method. +>Scarification Tattoos for Kids +>You will need the following... +>Citric Acid - Lemon Juice mixed with brine water will work. Put into a spray bottle. +> Two types of "picks" - Get a stainless steel dental pick used for removing plaque buildup. Also build a rudimentary "poking stick" with a skewer stick, and some sterilized sewing needles hammered through. +>Rubbing Alcohol for sterilizing the two picks. + +Now is where the fun starts! +>Get whatever design you want, but make sure it's somewhat like vector art. +>If you want to make your own design, please refer to the numerous guides on /k/ or /diy/ for painting vector art onto ammo cans. +>You will be using the dental pick to make dimples or elevated scars. Ideally, you will use the dental picks to push into the flesh and then pull upward, you do not want to break the skin. The best way to imagine this is you are trying to remove a fishing hook, but instead of breaking the skin you slowly retract it back out of the hole you started. +> Each "dimple" will need this done three to four times form different angles. +> After you do this, spray the area with the citric acid or lemon juice. +> Before you wipe this off, you now use the "poking stick" to poke a square or octagon around the dimple. It is recommended to do this with some force. +>Repeat everything above with periodic sterilizing of the picks. +>After you are done with poking and proding, wrap or cover the poked area in a paper towel lightly dosed in the citric acid solution. +>Keep it on for a few hours, and keep wetting it with citric acid. +Congrats, you have likely caused blood blistering, but over time it'll subside into scar tissue. +--- 57913228 +>>57913149 +I get off on it diff --git a/k/57906885.txt b/k/57906885.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..747e03258ee5f195644703cf2faa69b860f524ee --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57906885.txt @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +----- +--- 57906885 +we're never getting another FRT type trigger again are we bros? i hate the ATF so much its unreal. fuck this gay earth. +--- 57906914 +Don't worry anon, another, even shittier full auto replacement cope will come along as a money grab eventually +--- 57906969 +>>57906885 (OP) +There's plenty of machine guns out there with bad trigger slap. This dinky auto sear really isn't unique. +--- 57909137 +>>57906885 (OP) +it was cool while it lasted +>me waiting for you fags to start working on some shit +--- 57909173 +>>57906885 (OP) +The next evolution is the FART trigger. +Forced +Almost +Reset +Trigger +It ALMOST resets the trigger. You have to move 1/12 of an inch forward for it to reset. I can't wait to put FART in all of my guns. +--- 57909356 +>>57906885 (OP) +I thought they were still suing the ATF and currently winning in court. Was there an update? +--- 57909373 +>>57906885 (OP) +Machine guns do not belong in civilian hands and I'm glad the ATF keeps slimy chaos merchants from trying to bypass that important safety measure. +--- 57910709 +>>57909356 +everything has been quiet for months now. no word on whether they are winning or not. rare breed owners got their bank accounts frozen so they're probably fucked. cant the atf just hurry up and lose? +--- 57910728 +I would honestly prefer a non-NFA hard reset trigger to a drop in auto sear or NFA conversion +--- 57910752 +>>57910728 +Bump stocks, hard reset triggers, non-NFA 80% lowers, all of these are perfectly legal in the great state of Alabama AKA the Heart of Dixie +--- 57910760 +>>57906885 (OP) +Just bend some steel pallet strapping lol lmao +--- 57910832 +>>57909137 +the guy who banned bumpstocks? +--- 57910888 +>>57910832 +sorry wrong pic. this is the real me waiting +captcha: NYWHY +--- 57910997 +>>57906914 +kek, this. + +Just stop being poor and buy the real deal +--- 57911011 +>>57910888 +>Oh, hello there, you've found the secret shop +--- 57911014 +>>57909356 +>and currently winning in court. +lmao no, they've recently been getting BTFO. All sales shutdown too. ammoland has the latest update if you're interested +--- 57911025 +FRT fucked up by bitch slapping BDU in the face +--- 57911061 +>>57911011 +yeah can i get a muthafuckin uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh + +machinegun +--- 57911080 +>>57910888 +Is that Dom Irerravich? +--- 57911182 +>>57911025 +kek this, greed got them in the end. It was always about money +--- 57911202 +>>57910888 +>tfw resident of NY +Your captcha is how I feel every god damn second I live. +--- 57911209 +>>57910888 +--- 57912711 +>>57906885 (OP) +I'm just waiting for cyberhands so I can put a semiauto spam macro on them. +--- 57912715 +>>57912711 +sorry friend your assualt hands are banned +--- 57912822 +>>57906885 (OP) +Should've gotten one when you had the chance. +--- 57915274 +>>57906885 (OP) +Automatic firearms should be unrestricted globally. +The fact that we have to use cope-triggers is rather disheartening. diff --git a/k/57907020.txt b/k/57907020.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1718f5649e225871b43dff2e282be3850222b618 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907020.txt @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +----- +--- 57907020 +7.62x25 Tok edition +What are you working on? +--- 57907044 +>>57907020 (OP) +Just got to figure out a way to extend the shelf life. The hornets keep dying too early. +--- 57907088 +I put together a bunch of, hopefully, subsonic .45-70. +20ish grains of H110 and a 576 grain cast. My gun should finally be done this week. +>AFTER SIX GODDAMNED MONTHS +and my suppressor should be done in a month or two. +--- 57907124 +Something something lead fumes. +--- 57907127 +>>57907020 (OP) +I've pretty much reloaded as far as I can with my surplus rifles before I go and shoot to determine the right step in the ladder. My Carcano is just finding the right COAL. My Swiss 1911 is just plinking ammo to rezero new front sight. My Gew98m is laddering up. Just got the rifle and need to determine best charge. +--- 57907182 +>>57907124 +Based hollow base enjoyer. +I'll be casting some 72 caliber minie balls this weekend, I don't even know how much they are going to weigh. 500 grain? 900grain? I guess we'll find out. +--- 57907240 +Requesting a spoonfeed, if you cast lead is there an easy way to put a jacket on? +Do you need to buy jackets and swage in cores or is there another way? +--- 57907255 +>>57907127 +Right now I'm working on a 75gr load for my 11.5" AR. I started out with Hornady, but I'm moving to the cheaper RMR when they arrive in the mail. These are nickel plated rounds I found in the wilderness and some CCI #41 primers, charged with 22gr of IMR 3031. + +I've always heard not to use Federal 205 for AR15's due to risk of slamfires, so I emailed Federal and asked what they use in the cheapo 223 American Eagle. I've shot those before in my AR without any issues. They said Federal 205. No idea what the fuck these fuddlore idiots are talking about. +--- 57907266 +Been trying to get into hand loading for my durrr rifle, but there are no primers in stock anywhere in my country. Could start collecting all the other stuff in the meantime, I suppose. +--- 57907296 +>>57907240 +>if you cast lead is there an easy way to put a jacket on? +In short, no. Typically people just coat the bullets with a polymer (powder coating "paint"). +That reduces lead fouling and allows for slightly higher velocities, but not true high velocity like you can achieve with metallic jackets. + +If you want to make your own jacketed bullets you'll need to buy/make specialized tools to make your own jackets. +Bullets are typically not cast into the jackets either, manufacturers usually just put a pellet/ball of cold lead into the jacket and smush it into shape to fill the jacket. +--- 57907425 +>>57907240 +What >>57907296 said. I coat mine and put gas checks on all the high velocity stuff. +--- 57907480 +>>57907425 +>gas check +Explain please? +--- 57907716 +>>57907266 +Deer rifles see pretty low round counts, right? Why handload instead of picking something off the shelf? +--- 57907779 +>>57907480 +Little metal cup on the base of the bullet that protects it from higher pressure combustion gases that would normally cause gas cutting and barrel leading. +--- 57908166 +>>57907124 +Put something soft where you drop them so they don't deform while hot +--- 57908322 +>>57908166 +I use the mandrel to set them in the box, I don't drop them. +--- 57910553 +Bump +--- 57911277 +What are the laws around AP? +--- 57911316 +>>57907044 +Try loading it with .22 hornet instead. +--- 57911327 +>>57911277 +they're allowed to fabricate reports to whatever they want as long as it furthers establishment talking point agendas +--- 57912748 +>>57907779 +(Different guy). +Thank you, this makes a lot more sense. +I thought gas check was the multiple cut out rings around the bullet itself, and I wondered how that actually helped with higher velocities. +--- 57913775 +>>57907124 +The fumes are fine +--- 57914082 +>>57911277 +>asking for legal advice on 4chan +>not even telling us what state so that the responses will at least be half baked as opposed to fully raw +--- 57914398 +I will one day set up a reloading bench properly with everything I actually need. Too bad im not retarded enough to actually reload but too dumb to find everything I need. Wish I was given a list that's written like how a teacher would right questions for the slow kid. diff --git a/k/57907043.txt b/k/57907043.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9912226ec9e2b48f723b466c494c726f1a82a2da --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907043.txt @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +----- +--- 57907043 +So for reasons i'm not gonna go into here, I have lets say about 5 or 600 shotgun 12g cartridges but no shotgun. How can I make a safe enough boom stick so I can set these bad boys off without losing an arm or a leg in the process? I have a 3D printer, I have tools (don't have a lathe though). I want to do this with things I can buy at a hardware store without arousing any suspicion. +>in b4 buy a shotgun +I can't. For , reasons. +--- 57907068 +>>57907043 (OP) +>>>/litterally-any-search-engine/ +--- 57907085 +>>57907068 +ok and how do I know they're safe? I watched one video where a guy built one. Huge chunks of metal come flying off the end when he fired it. Was hoping someone had plans, built a safe one before. +--- 57907130 +>>57907043 (OP) +>>in b4 buy a shotgun +>I can't. For , reasons. +Are you by chance brown, OP? +--- 57907152 +>>57907130 +nope. I am on some lists though. Naughty boy lists. +--- 57907172 +>>57907152 +if you buy a shotgun privately it will not be any more illegal than building one out of pipes +--- 57907196 +>>57907172 +I'm a europoor. In my country, you need a license to buy a shotgun, and nobody is going to sell you one privately without showing it. They are also legally obliged to tell police who they sold it to. So my only option really is to build my own. +--- 57907214 +>>57907043 (OP) +You literally just posted your best option, if you can't figure it out on your own you probably shouldn't even try. (because you'd kill yourself) +--- 57907220 +>>57907152 +Is the only gun shop in town too close to a school zone? +--- 57907232 +>>57907220 +I'm not permitted to own a firearm. Legally. +--- 57907493 +>>57907043 (OP) +https://pdfcoffee.com/homemade-break-barrel-shotgun-professor-parabellumpdf-pdf-free.html + +>I'm a europoor +>Naughty boy lists. +don't know which country you are from but in germany you get up to 5 years for this. good luck anon +--- 57907594 +>>57907493 +Oh that's nice. Thanks anon. +--- 57907597 +>>57907196 +>for reasons +you could have just said you are yuro +when you search 'how to make a pipe shotgun' the first thing that comes up is literally about your image +https://www.offgridweb.com/survival/building-a-pipe-shotgun-with-the-pop-a-410-diy-kit/ +The basics for most of them are +>shell in tube 1 +>pull tube 1 back onto tube 2 +>tube 2 has a little fixed firing pin +>when shell hits firing pin, gun go bang +nobody here is going to spend an hour typing out a full instructional about every step you need to do in 10 posts, you will get much further just using a search engine. Have fun and don't blow yourself up. +--- 57907626 +>>57907597 +Well good boys can have a shotgun. I'm not a good boy, and thus I can't. But thanks for the link. I didn't want anyone to type out, I wanted something like what Germanon sent, a link to something I can build but also would like someone to say this one or that one 'works' and won't frag grenade me when I pull the trigger. But thanks. +--- 57908036 +>>57907801 +Thanks. I will check that out. I have some 3D print files for pistol ammo but I don't have any ammo for that. Been a while since I downloaded the FOSSCAD pack, will see if there are any updates I can get. +--- 57908130 +>>57908036 +>3D print files for pistol ammo +Nigger are you genuinely retarded, and/or a fed, or just 12 years old? +--- 57908385 +>>57908130 +are you? wtf do you think an FGC-9 is you tard? +--- 57908413 +>>57907043 (OP) +one thing you may want to consider is the price difference between a normal entry level shotgun and a medical bill should your poorly thought out and shoddily constructed contraption fail and embed parts of itself in your flabby body +--- 57908441 +>>57908413 +What part of I can't buy a shotgun didn't you get ? +--- 57908585 +>>57908385 +Are you going to print explosives out of PLA? +--- 57908934 +>>57908385 +>fgc9 +>3d print files for pistol ammo +--- 57908970 +>>57908385 +An FGC-9 is not 3D printed pistol ammo. That being said, wasn't there some dude on here that was making 3D printed casings for some fuckhueg round? I can't remember. If I'm not mistaken they worked fine but it was out of a singleshot or something +--- 57909012 +>>57908934 +>>57908585 +>>57908970 +Do you people not speak fucking English. 3D print file FOR (do you know what FOR means?) pistol. God I swear you lot are all either pedantic motherfuckers or English is not your first language. Assuming you're not the same retard. Whatever. Anyone with 3 working synapses knows what I meant. +--- 57909339 +>>57907043 (OP) +>600 shotgun 12g cartridges +factory made or self reloaded or diy paper cartridge? +>>57908413 +>price difference between a normal entry level shotgun and a medical bill +dude he's a europoor he doesn't have to pay shit when he goes to the ER +--- 57911834 +>>57907232 +Then youre also not legally able to own a pipe shotgun retard. +--- 57915212 +>>57907043 (OP) +>for reasons +you're a nigger or a fed, possibly both +either way fuck off diff --git a/k/57907063.txt b/k/57907063.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6f0c9b814a91b246a1804b89c49042238cf8c8e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907063.txt @@ -0,0 +1,283 @@ +----- +--- 57907063 +hey /k/, I need armchair general support +I'm writing a science fiction book somewhat similar in premise to GATE and I want to make the military side of it as realistic as possible. +tl;dr of the setting +>humanity found magic particles that allow FTL travel on Proxima Centauri around the year 2150, later on many other stars +>these particles quickly became scarce space-oil reserved for spaceship travel as the whole galaxy was colonised +>1700 years into the future two massive space empires have been in a low-intensity forever war with each other for so long that many planets around the frontline had their civilisations collapse +>one planet with space-oil on it which collapsed and was forgotten about is found again +>turns out that some humans survived the apocalypse and managed to rebuild to roughly medieval age tech level +>a division-sized task force is sent to make contact and do reconnaissance before the public learns about it +picrel is what I'm thinking of going with. Standard NATO symbology save for a few things I had to make up icons for. In total it has something like 9 thousand men in mechanised battalions. I know it's woefully little at a planetary scale, it's an intentional challenge for the main character. + +I'd love to hear your thoughts on if it makes sense and if I forgot about anything important. I will also answer any questions about the planet and the wider setting +inb4 +>what are the gun laws like? +service guarantees citizenship and open carry privileges, you can own anything smaller than a grenade launcher if you pass a psychological examination +>dragons??? +yes, impervious to small arms but will get splattered if a tank shoves a hypersonic long rod up its ass +>are there wendigos and can we fuck them? +yes, in cursed forest cannibal and blizzard skinwalker variety. You can fuck them if you can hold one down +--- 57907087 +>>57907063 (OP) +in combat tank companies get paired up with mech. infantry brigades and artillery to form self-sufficient maneuver units, though this won't come up much until the very end of the book +--- 57907109 +>>57907063 (OP) +Are there furry waifus in your setting? +--- 57907128 +>>57907109 +the "good guys" empire is a union of three smaller empires, one of which is obsessed with genetic modifications and bio technology. There's some furries among them, but they're treated about the same as in the modern day +--- 57907142 +>>57907128 +so there aren't any true furry species, but individual furfags are a thing +--- 57907226 +>>57907128 +This is all i need. Your setting is kino and based and you should keep writing +--- 57907286 +mechanized infantry brigades are one for one stolen from the US army, just with more dismounts per IFV and the tank company replaced with another mech infantry company. + +The entire force structure was heavily inspired by the new Penetration division 2030 concept, though I decided that it didn't need so many tanks for shooting at fantasy creatures. +In general there won't be too much curbstomping and more focus on politics, magic and GWOT-style assymmetric threats +>>57907226 +thanks, I'm trying to my break writer's block at the moment +--- 57907786 +>>57907063 (OP) +Извиняйтe, нo я бyдy пиcaть нa pyccкoм ибo мнe тaк пpoщe. +Пepвoe кaждaя Удapнo-дecнтнaя гpyппa дoлжнa имeть личный тpaнcпopт, нe cтoит пepeвoзить вceх нa мaлoм чиcлe кpyпных мaшин. Haпpимep oднa дecaнтнaя мaшинa мoжeт пepeвoзить oдин взвoд. (Oтдeлeниe-> взвoд) +БДК (бoльшиe дecaнтныe кopaбли) дoлжны пepeвoзить инфpacтpyктypy, ecли нeoбхoдимo, гpyзы и кpyпныe мaшины. +Bтopoe тaктикa. Cнaчaлa дoлжeн идти oбcтpeл из кocмoca, зaтeм aвиaнaлёт, бoмбapдиpoвщикaми, зa ними cпycкaeтcя дecaнт. Пocлe чeгo ocтaвшиecя пoзиции пpoтивникa пoдaвляeт apтиллepия, зaтeм штypмoвыe caмoлёты / вepтoлёты бoлee тoчнo yничтoжaют пpoтивникa и в кoнцe пeхoтa c тaнкaми yничтoжaeт вcё пoлнocтью. +Иcхoдя из пpимepнo этoй дoктpины и тoгo чтo мы имeeм фopмиpoвaть cтpyктypy и вoopyжeниe. +--- 57907838 +>>57907063 (OP) +H ere anon, let me make a list of all the things your army should include: +Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes, Orbital Nukes + +Hope this helps anon +--- 57907874 +>>57907786 +I had to google lens this, I hope nothing got lost in translation +You're describing a contested landing on a planet with orbital defenses, which is done in actual warzones of course. The space-capable airlift fleet is made up of what is closer to small spaceships than planes, each one able to carry a superheavy tank platoon or 12 IFVs. +Doctrinally the first wave of troops comes down in drop pods to secure the LZ and once they take down orbital defenses the landing craft come down with heavier equipment. The assault ship can do orbital bombardment +--- 57907893 +>>57907063 (OP) +What are the other applications of space oil besides space travel? I often see sci fi settings lacking obvious use cases for the magic tech. +--- 57907895 +>>57907838 +way ahead of you anon. The MC uses them to nuke local gods out of existence by the end of the book +--- 57907989 +>>57907893 +alright, maybe I should elaborate more on that. The particles are called Thaums, they interact with the human psyche and bend reality accordingly, though they burn out in the process and decompose into photons +They're used by imagining something very intensely and pushing with your will, though you have to understand what you're trying to do. If you want to lift a glass that's pretty easy, but if you're trying to synthesize an atom of a new element you have to know what protons and neutrons are, how they bond and so on, then grab a few smaller atoms and crush them together +It's used to produce extremely high grade high entropy alloys, do things at the atomic scale and generally acts more as an extension of other technology. It allows fleshbags to keep up with progressing technology. +In combat it's devastating of course, but it's generally seen as a waste and thus rarely used. + +It has a second, less known mode where it manifests people's beliefs if there's too much magic and humans in one place. This is how all of the dragons, skinwalkers and so on came to be on the medieval planet +--- 57908027 +>>57907989 +thaums themselves are produced inside some stars instead of x-rays and gamma rays, though the exact science behind it is not known to either of the empires +--- 57908040 +>>57907874 +Yep that's I mean. +I think assault ship, must use more exactly than bomber ships. +Drop pod it's good idea small bunker with turrets. +But a small landing aircraft must be like soviet mi-6 but some bigger. Because enemy have a chance to save his aa weapon. +And assault and bomber ships must have cover by fighters +--- 57908060 +>>57907838 +Base +--- 57908090 +>>57908040 +bombers went out of favour in the age of orbital bombardment. (The assault ship itself is 1300 meters long btw) Contested landings are supported by the combat aviation brigade of course, that's why it can go between air and space +--- 57908105 +Had an idea for a sci-fi world where the remnants of various Earth governments and corporations flee together in the face of the first of many posthuman ascensions. They settle on a gas giant's moon and become a duopoly, believing that they can eventually compete with the posthuman economy using their own antiquated methods somehow. A posthuman warmonger discovers the "True Earth Market" several generations later and is equal parts appalled by the TEM's ossified nature and enthused by the potential genocide to be inflicted. The TEM's attempts at creating living breathing mascots using technology results in necrotic, pain-maddened abominations the two sides of the duopoly use to wage war beside their security forces. The warmonger discovers that most of the TEM's people are hardly self-aware but seem to revere the mascots, which gives it an idea to wage memetic warfare from afar... +--- 57908173 +>>57908090 +On bomber I mean big ship what can do orbital strike. +A assault ship I mean small and tactical (I use a soviet experience and tactical, btw) +If I have a paint now, I draw what I mean, if it's tred can survive to tomorrow I send what I think. +--- 57908208 +>>57908173 +I doubt it will stick around this long, we don't have any vatniggers here to bump it ad infinitum +--- 57908234 +>>57907989 +Damn that's a ridiculously powerful resource. I'm curious to know how it's harvested, transported and stored. I'm a sucker for logistic minutiae in sci fi. +--- 57908284 +>>57907895 +BASED +--- 57908297 +>>57907786 +Njegova ideja je očito transport ljudstva i tehnike na planete gdje neprijatelj nema mogučnost da presreće svemirske brodove - barem ne diljem planete. A može i da postoji mogučnost da se takvim jedinicama po potrebi pripoji inžinjerska jedinica koja može montirati potisnike i zaštitne čahure na BOVove za direktno slijetanje na planete. Za bojne desante bi vjerovatno postojale posebne jedinice sa specijalnim vozilima - šlično današnjim ambfibičnim jedinicama. +--- 57908334 +>>57908234 +brother! +Thaums are subatomic particles with no charge. They form an invisible residue layer on planets within the solar system that produces them and it's generally difficult to "unstick" them from whatever they land on through anything other than active use. By far the most common way to harvest them is to strip off the top meter of planetary bodies and grind it to dust, which is later transported in radiation-shielded containers as Thaums decompose from instense radiation. +A more sustainable way is suspending gigantic solar sails just above the magic-producing star and occasionally reel them in. +Storage is pretty much the same as transport, high-safety rad-shielded silos filled with fine dust. +Yes I simp for Dune +--- 57908373 +>>57908334 +furthermore, the conscious use mode has a range of a few meters at best, meaning that mages have to either keep moving at all times on the battlefield, or carry thaum-infused items that go flat rather quickly. Magic also doesn't work in high radiation enviroments since the particles decompose before they can perform their function. There are special combat exoskeleton variants covered in x-ray diodes and radioactive plates that render the user virtually immune to direct magical interefernce. Having a 1000 ton boulder or a lance of positrons chucked at you is still a grave threat though +--- 57908480 +>>57908334 +>>57908373 +This is good stuff anon. Do you have hard set rules on what the Thaum can or cannot do? +--- 57908533 +>>57908480 +generally there are three limiting factors +1) knowledge of the user - as I said above, you can't do what you don't understand. At best it will work horribly and inefficiently, at worst you'll blow yourself up +2) thaum density - this one is pretty vague and I reserved it as a deus ex machina for writing purposes but generally magic doesn't last more than a minute or two of intense use in one spot. You can't terraform a planet with a couple of particles, though in principle a massive enough deposit would allow it +3) radiation completely destroys Thaums +--- 57908549 +>>57908533 +thaums also can't create energy or matter, you have to use what you have on hand or the latent energy of thaumic decay from using magic in the first place. +--- 57908722 +>>57908533 +Tell me how different human society is from today. I'm assuming automation got shafted with the discovery of Thaum. +--- 57908765 +bump +--- 57908883 +>>57908722 +not really, it's a scarce resource. For the most part it's used for space travel as that's the only thing conventional technology cannot substitute +some snapshots of Union's society +-pregnancy practically never happens, 99% of the population is cloned and then adopted into nuclear family units. People are somewhat expected to upbring their replacement in society +-Compressionism is a new artstyle where the creator attempts to encode some piece of information is an eloquent, complex manner +-the biotechnology fanatics empire lives in a semi-hiveminded society as they believe it's the ultimate form of direct democracy +-irony, truth, morality and pretty much every other social construct has been deconstructed and rebuilt so many times that people returned to blessed simplicity, yes means yes and no mean no +-life extension advanced enough that the average person is biologically immortal. As a result euthanasia is something normal, done when someone decides that they've lived for long enough. It can be legally done after 100 years of age +-sentient AIs only recently recieved human rights, it somewhat mirrors the situation of blacks after WW2. They go by Machine Intelligence now, calling them artificial is seen as an affront +--- 57908935 +>>57908883 +Can AIs manipulate thaum? +--- 57908951 +>>57908935 +nope, only humans +this is one of big arguments against their sentience that racists use +--- 57909121 +>>57908951 +That's a pretty strong argument t b h. I like the setting anon, you seem to have put a lot of thought into it. I'd read your book. +--- 57909251 +>>57909121 +look out for Dusk of Empires if I ever manage to finish it. Writer's block is a bitch +--- 57909443 +one last bump before I go to sleep, hopefully the thread will still be up when I wake up. I'll answer any new questions in the morning +--- 57910228 +Good shit OP, bump +--- 57910265 +>>57907063 (OP) +Knowing /k/ has anons obsessed with scifi. +Knowing /k/ has anons obsessed with military organization. + +But didn't expect someone can be that autistic to combine these two. + +Congratulations! You're cultivating a brand new field anon. +--- 57910804 +>>57907286 +Is there enough space in these IFV's to fit all of the dismounts in the brigade? If not what does the light infantry element use for transport? +--- 57911442 +FTL juice presumably doesn't solve the problem of generating enough delta-V to get on/off a planet so you are literally never going to have that many tons for a single battalion intended to reach the surface of a planet +metallics are not that rare in space, usable silica is kind of rare, but the fuel needed to push resource A to resource B is incredibly rare even with sci-fi logic; and if you send it down, it's probably not coming back up - one superheavy MBT (battletech standard) would require a SLS to get it to LEO, or FIVE of them to get back out of orbit in general +landing these things is also a fucking nightmare; no materials that mankind has yet discovered would allow you to safely land a 30 meter capsule with 300+ tons of materiel; the largest reentry capsule ever devised so far (Orion) is 14 tons and aerodynamic, in space terms that is FUCKING HUGE, if your fantasy planet is earth-like in any way you are fighting an uphill and downhill battle +these limitations help inform what your forces would actually be like: +>70-90% of all personnel stay in space to operate and manage intelligence and orbital weaponry (depending on how automated systems are) +you don't have a Mission Control on the ground, so that has to be in space, and that's a lot of people to cart around +on the plus side: as long as solar panels are available, spying on the ground & high-altitude electronic warfare are FREE (!) +a decent number of nukes in space for atomic blackmail, ground forces work as sappers with small powered armor (think Guardian XO) and develop reasonably flat roadways to allow for transit with electric bicycles, railguns for "artillery" with tools to make more shot-puts from resources on the target planet's surface, laser weaponry for literally everything else, bases formed around small modular reactors & squads formed around micro-reactors, and the main goal of the force is to kickstart industry ON the planet (drones for mission command to abuse, people cost Delta-V) +--- 57911610 +>>57911442 +essentially, you should envision a sci-fi version of the Japan-style bike blitz, they drop to secure a perimeter of ~150 miles with 8-ish 10 ton railguns, a 10 ton modular reactor, and a 4 to 5 3-ton microreactors, 200 kg of static laserguns, and a few tons worth of themselves, electric bikes, their personal firearms, and power armor, for a total of a ~100 ton landing (5+ separate reentry models very generously), then they establish a 100 mile-ish perimeter using the supremacy of their railguns (vs heavy armor, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, jets), protected by static laser surface-to-air (vs drones, cruise missiles, jets) and defended from intrusion by their own lasers (vs personnel, recon/light armor) +once the landing site is defensible they set up the reactors to run it in perpetuity & top up their power armor (glorified batteries), and then they dig in to make forward operating bases wherever they can manage to put up the micro-reactors +once an inside perimeter and outside perimeter are formed, they either raid neighboring cities to take over heavy machinery (if advanced industry is present), or they dig in further and have mission command drop in one final drop, a ~10 ton (metal) 3D printer that can be supplied to start shitting out drones with, would you ever guess it, even more lasers, as well as replacement parts for anything that breaks, and maybe more railguns/static lasers/microreactors if they're having enough success with the landing site to expand +anything in space is (more or less) free, since incredibly powerful satellites can fit in a 20 kg package, obviously you scope the landing site out ahead of time for where has the most untapped metals/silica in close proximity +this is what interstellar war would probably look like, in pretty much any conceivable future - light operations that only turn into heavy operations after you're on the surface & exploiting it, starting over again and again in perpetuity with only marginal ROI +--- 57912012 +>>57907989 +>>57908027 +>>57908334 +>>57908373 +>>57908533 +>>57908549 +Any chance you get some retard calling these "SpongeBob particles" or "space cocaine"? Sounds like these things could have a number of monikers by different races/societies. +--- 57912075 +>>57907063 (OP) +What are the opposing forces expected to be ? +What are the parameters for victory ? +--- 57912159 +>>57907063 (OP) +Just make sure things make sense. Does it make sense to send infantry into a humanless space jungle to fight dragons? Probably not, the dragons can have their jungle and we can push them out with heavy tanks of we need to set up a space oil rig. + +Assuming we aren't Russians who genocide every populated planet we want to force the small planets to accept our overwhelming force with minimum bloodshed and minimum damage to infrastructure. + +If we identify the rival empire military we do want to push them off in ways that make sense which might be nukes or maybe we have some warfare agreements to not use certain weapons. + +Preserving your expeditionary force is more important than some charge of the light brigade and soon having no expediently force. + +Local mobliks are expensive to move to a different planet and will generally have low morale unless the planet loves you. They're on the far end of a shitty milita and probably don't want to die. +--- 57912556 +dragons? +--- 57912599 +>>57907128 +>obsessed with genetic modifications and bio technology +i'd like to hear more because i have my own setting i write for (writing that will almost certainly never see the light of day) that has a nation like that. +--- 57912801 +>>57912556 +Did he upload it? +--- 57912824 +>>57907063 (OP) +My only complaint with this force-org you've come up with is that, politically speaking, it's too competent. + +There are no vestigial limbs or political boondoggles stuffed in to this chart, which means that this force is competently arranged against a credible threat, which I believe is not physically possible. + +Also don't use a lightning bolt for your electrical services. U.S. Signals corps already stole that and will travel through time to beat your ass to get it back. Use a flywheel or something. + +For a planetary assault force you're also missing combat engineers, CSUs and so on. Like there's some sort of logistical tail on this dog but it looks incredibly short. + +You would probably do way better to trim this down to a single regiment or battalion and work through that because right now this seems like a huge and under-equipped enterprise that was designed to be an optimal Warhammer 40k tabletop army and not an actual combat force. Which I suppose is what I meant at the start of this by saying it looks too competent - it's entirely too lean. +--- 57915167 +>>57910804 +IFVs fit 3 crewmen and 8 dismounts, there's 4 in a platoon, 14 in a company +In total 450 can fit around 3.5k dismounts with the rest riding in command vehicles, lighter 4x4 armored vehicles and logistics trucks +>>57911610 +>>57911442 +In my setting most military grade shit is powered by either z-pinch fusion reactors or antimatter batteries refueled at division level. They have enough dV for the trip, however it will come up as a limitation for the spaceship in orbit. It will have to refuel deuterium from a local gas giant +--- 57915199 +>>57907063 (OP) +I'm annoyed that brigades have still replaced regiments. Call them something else if you absolutely have to, but don't waste valuable table space because the US Army can't figure out what to do with their regiments. +--- 57915217 +>>57912012 +I'll consider it +>>57912075 +It's technically a peacekeeping operation, though later on they get pulled into local politics. +Medieval knights don't pose much of a threat, the real problem are magical creatures such as dragons and skinwalkers. The local mages discover that they can freeze a small metal pellet in time and hammer away at it for a few hours, when it's released it shoots forward with enough energy to pierce exoplate armor. That makes for a nasty guerilla tactic +>>57912159 +Yeah, with how old people grow thanks to life extension each soldier is more expensive than a whole-ass tank. Power armor called Exosuit (or a heavier Exoplate) is standard issue and advanced casevac is a company level asset +--- 57915262 +>>57907063 (OP) +This is nothing more than reskinned Mass Effect. You fucking faggot OP +--- 57915266 +>>57912599 +Alright, I probably should talk more about the union in general beforehand. +The galaxy was fully colonized by 2600 A.D., or year 450 of the space age thanks to absolutely MASSIVE reserves of Thaums in magic producing systems. Humans lived like gods, planets were terraformed in a matter of months. Soon after all of the settled worlds were ravaged by a sudden appearance of gods and fantasy creatures born from human beliefs. Many worlds became unhabitable, even more had their economies and infrastrucure wrecked beyond repair. Only a handful survived, only eight came out of it mostly unscathed. Five are in the other empire, three in the Union. +The Union ones became its Crown Worlds, each representing a different ascention path and philosophy. +Terranis is an ecumenopolis, the industrial and technological heart of the empire, Persei III are leaders in mastery over magic and Alvearium is the hive +The entire planet is basically covered in symbiotic organisms that replace industry, housing, computers and pretty much everything else. People as I said are connected through something like a partial hivemind, knowing each other's thoughts and needs and contributing to an emergent superintelligence, but still able to disconnect from it at will. Smaller groups of Alvearians generate smaller hiveminds whenever they meet off-world +--- 57915270 +>>57915262 +Never played it, I wouldn't know +--- 57915303 +>>57912824 +What do you suggest I should change then? Make it somehow not optimal for the task, push the infantry battalions around to make the maneuver brigades unequal? +I'll try to think of something else, maybe a stylized fusion reactor symbol + +I disagree, the division already has an engineer brigade and a logistics brigade that in total make up a third of the force and that doesn't account for attached BSBs. They'll be fine with orbital resupply in a very low intensity operation +--- 57915312 +>>57915167 +>They have enough dV for the trip +unless your guys are getting tools and vehicles made out of "fuck-physicsinium" then actually bringing tens of thousands of tons of shit to the ground without the reentry modules crumpling in on themselves, incinerating everyone inside due to failed ablators, the electronics, etc. is going to be the way logistical harder challenge, and the problem is less having enough dV for the trip in general (space empires may have hundreds of planets already getting drained of fuel, sure) but whether this is an appropriate use of resources for an expeditionary force on the scale of a "division" or a "task force" +for comparison: imagine a contemporary fantasy story where the US Navy establishes a "task force" of 6 carriers to scout out a weird portal at the Bermuda Triangle, everyone would respond "bro that's not a task force that's an entire navy group" and that's the this gives me, given the resources committed to just having this sheer raw mass transit space, even with sci-fi hax +more importantly, it places a realistic constraint on the idea of local "strategic airlift craft" that can make it to space repeatedly; even the space shuttle could only haul 5 tons worth of materiel to transfer and that was while taking advantage of the efficiencies of non-reusable boosters +a future military with such constraints would dream smaller in every way possible, not bigger, and place a lot of emphasis on "living off the land" (3D printing on the ground, rapid resource extraction) +nb: a lot of soft sci-fi literally just ignores this shit so you can certainly get away with it, but for scale with those "superheavy MBTs" you are talking about a force that would require a Behemoth to drop to the surface in one go, and at least most BattleTech writers have the decency to acknowledge their fuckhuge egg would shatter on impact with nearly any atmosphere, even a very thin one, and can only really feasibly take off again if the gravity is pretty low +--- 57915314 +>>57915262 +no, because mass effect had a cycle. diff --git a/k/57907103.txt b/k/57907103.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f2982f623035ea5f74fe90ab689144eedc371e90 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907103.txt @@ -0,0 +1,416 @@ +----- +--- 57907103 +>ZAMAK 2 is a better choice for firearms than aluminum. It's stronger but has a bad reputation due to being used by companies with poor design and quality control. + +Not opinions. Not conjecture. Just facts. Your turn. +--- 57907125 +>>57907103 (OP) +Aluminum handles heat far better though +--- 57907141 +>>57907125 +The majority of parts made out of aluminum are not subject to high heat stress. +--- 57907160 +>>57907103 (OP) +Most gun owners would be better off with smaller guns they are more willing to carry than guns that would be hypothetically better in a defensive situations. +If you've left the house without your carry piece because your outfit isn't conducive to carrying / it's not worth putting on a holster for such a short trip this means you. +--- 57907181 +stockpiling .22lr to the tune of thousands of rounds will never, ever help you in any way + +in a total economic collapse, 50 rounds of 12ga buckshot will be a lifetime supply for home defense + +pistols are the best home defense weapons + +truck guns have no purpose beyond being symbols of masculinity +--- 57907185 +Farting into the muzzle before firing does not imbue the bullets with poison damage or any other kind of DoT effect. +--- 57907198 +>>57907141 +The majority of alum parts aren't subject to high applied force either so what's the point of using a "stronger," whatever that means, probably more expensive material? +--- 57907200 +>>57907181 +>stockpiling .22lr to the tune of thousands of rounds will never, ever help you in any way +I disagree, I'd have been helped by thousands of rounds I'm 2012-2016. +--- 57907209 +>>57907200 +>I'm 2012-2016. +you're -4? +--- 57907555 +>>57907103 (OP) +>Make your gun out of something that only has one finish: paint +>Just make your guns out of something that eventually uncontrollably falls apart with enough time +No. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_pest +--- 57907812 +>>57907181 +Ammunition is the gift that keeps on giving. You can use fr personal use it in normal times, and it will be premium currency in bad times. Nothing else fulfills this function in large amounts. +--- 57907859 +>>57907103 (OP) +steel is better than both +--- 57907883 +>>57907555 +Nigga the article you linked stipulates that nothing made after 1960 has the impurities that cause zinc rot and it only affects cheaply cast toys and car trim. +--- 57907956 +>>57907883 +Wait really? Seems most thing these days are fine now that I re-look. But it still seems to happen if you get bad luck and get a bad batch of metal, albeit rarer these days: +>In addition, the post-1982 copper-plated zinc Lincoln cents have been known to be affected. +--- 57908223 +>>57907859 +Titanium is actually the best, just more expensive. +--- 57908453 +>>57908223 +beep beep, outta the way. Hafnium coming through. +--- 57908754 +>>57908453 +Bro bring a mop hoke because it got messy between me and your wife +t. ungsten +--- 57908805 +>>57907185 +--- 57908834 +>>57907198 +It's both cheaper and easier to work with, you stupid fucking retard monkey. +--- 57908851 +>>57907181 +>stockpiling .22lr to the tune of thousands of rounds will never, ever help you in any way +You are absolutely retarded. +I was able to continue shooting regularly over the last 3 years of ammo shortages, price gouging and panic buying because I had around 10k rounds of 22lr on-hand. +Do you only go shooting twice a year or something? +--- 57908885 +>>57907181 +Thousands of rounds of .22lr is hundreds of hours of wholesome plinking fun with the grandkids. + +In a total economic collapse, that 50 rounds of 12gay might put food on your table. Share that food with your community. + +Home defense is a meme. If you're stockpiling weapons for home defense but don't own a fire extinguisher, you are silly. +--- 57908905 +>>57907141 +If they aren't subject to high heat you can make them out of composites like fiberglass or ceramics. +--- 57908912 +>>57908885 +What if I own $10000 in fire extinguishers because I fear that the boog will happen due to extensive solar flares that will set the world ablaze? I also own a dozen tourniquets should I turn into an octopus man and may or may not need to apply them to my tentacles. +--- 57908923 +>>57908905 +Good luck with your fiberglass ar15 bro. +--- 57908933 +>>57908912 +You're doing good! Be to wear your sunscreen +--- 57908949 +>>57908933 +Sunscreen causes cancer. +--- 57908965 +>>57908949 +Yeah so does the sun. +--- 57908972 +>>57908949 +So does the fucking sun +--- 57909002 +>>57908834 +Prove that it's cheaper +--- 57909017 +>>57908834 +crazy how every single firearm manufacturer prefers aluminum then +maybe their engineers know something you don't +--- 57909028 +>>57909002 +>>57909017 +The fact you're contesting it shows how little you even know about zinc alloy lol +--- 57909031 +>>57907103 (OP) +Saturday night specials are made from zamak, right? +--- 57909032 +>>57908923 +I'll done one better than him, carbon fiber or really fucking potent laminate. +--- 57909034 +>>57908834 +Also define "work." Judging by your very unspecific language I'm assuming you don't have much knowledge of material science but prove me wrong. +--- 57909066 +>>57908949 +Nigger detected. +--- 57909079 +>>57907812 +>what are antibiotics +retard +--- 57909102 +>>57907181 +While you may not shoot your thousands of boolets, if shit really hit the fan bullets would be the new currency. +--- 57909117 +>>57909079 +Unless you're making your own penecillin or only plan for short term scenarios antibiotics will become ineffective after 2-10 years on the shelf. +--- 57909120 +>>57909102 +is this true in places where shit has hit the fan? Haiti? Somaliland? +--- 57909156 +>>57907185 +Well yeah, the trick is to stick the barrel up your ass so little bits of poop get stuck to the bullet as it flies out the end. The farting myth was just to open your asshole up and make insertion easier since most soldiers of the time were far to reserved to openly talk about such underhanded and embarassing tactics. +--- 57909253 +>>57909117 +https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040264/ +> 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date. +>Solid dosage forms, such as tablets and capsules, appear to be most stable past their expiration date. Drugs that exist in solution or as a reconstituted suspension, and that require refrigeration (such as amoxicillin suspension), may not have the required potency if used when outdated. Loss of potency can be a major health concern, especially when treating an infection with an antibiotic. In addition, antibiotic resistance may occur with sub-potent medications. Drugs that exist in solution, especially injectable drugs, should be discarded if the product forms a precipitant or looks cloudy or discolored. + +I thought this was interesting. Thanks, anon +--- 57909336 +- a gun kills you or your family more often than saving you from an attack + +- societies removing guns from the public have measureable positive effects on violent crime + +-cousin fucking is not ok +--- 57909365 +I think the real issue with the premise of this thread is if it was really that much cheaper and easier and better someone would already be doing it. +--- 57909368 +>>57909336 +Literally everything you said is wrong. +--- 57909379 +>>57909336 +No they fucking don't. +--- 57909385 +>>57909365 +Many cheap brands do, that's the problem. Larger brands don't because people consider it "pot metal junk" because of them. +--- 57909386 +>>57907883 +>Nigga the article you linked stipulates that nothing made after 1960 has the impurities that cause zinc rot and it only affects cheaply cast toys and car trim. +Zinc allots are routinely shit, even when used for better items. +Zinc alloys gall like crazy, which is a major issue when involving moving and rubbing parts. +Zinc corrodes when in contact with metals like steel, which would be a major issue with anything with steel components like a firearm. +Zinc alloys in many cases are heavy, removing advantages over aluminum, unless you are making a cheap firearm like a Highpoint, were weight on the slide is necessary due to cheaping out on a locking mechanism. +The major advantage to zinc is for plating steel to prevent corrosion of steel, which zinc is actually useful for. +--- 57909397 +>>57907160 +This is true which is why I carry a mouse gun with me everywhere unashamed. I have not yet found a scenario where my .380 cannot be concealed. Its great not having to "dress around" a gun, worry about printing, not having to buy expensive holsters or belts, or other such nonsense. It just works. +--- 57909428 +>>57909397 +Based, I've gone to carrying a Beretta 85 myself because the grip is super slim and invisible practically when concealed and the low recoil of .380 allows me to get accurate shots with a variety of grips at speed. +--- 57909439 +>>57909385 +Wouldn't they just need to make a good one, prove the myth wrong, and save a bunch of money compared to making the gun aluminum? If Smith & Wesson could make the lightest strongest carry guns on the market and save a shitload of money doing it doesn't that seem like something they would obviously be all in on doing? They already have their own alloy most gun consumers question, what's one more? +--- 57909479 +>>57907555 +>Engine parts of older vehicles or airplanes, and military medals made of zinc alloys, may also be affected. In addition, the post-1982 copper-plated zinc Lincoln cents have been known to be affected. + +Just further proof that the Federal Reserve note and post 1964 and 1982 US coins are counterfiet US currency. End the Fed and get former Fed chairs out of the treasury. +--- 57909483 +>>57909439 +>Alloy +>Carry guns + +That's what polymer is for numbnuts. Good luck making a locked breech slide out of something other than steel. +--- 57909538 +>>57907103 (OP) +>ZAMAK 2 is a better choice for firearms than aluminum +LOL, zamak is brittle, heavier than steel, and degenerates over time. Any fucking airsofter could tell you that. +It's only used because it's cheap and easy to make toy molds with it, with no need of CNC machining. +It's shit for airsoft guns, nevermind real firearms. +--- 57909544 +>>57909538 +>uneducated boomerlore post +--- 57909558 +i have never heard of zamak in my life and im pretty sure most gun people haven't either. I am certain however that most gun people have no strong feelings about aluminum +--- 57909591 +>>57909558 +zamak is a commercial name for common metal zinc alloys in consumer products and industry. +Basically everytime you've held/used a metal part not made of aluminum or iron/steel, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a version of zamak. +--- 57909600 +>>57907103 (OP) +>as heavy as steel +>as strong as aluminum +>easy to cast +Yeah sure for high point, nothing else. +--- 57909604 +>>57909365 +HiPoint is arguably the only company that could prove his assertion to be true. All the other zinc manufacturers are too cheap and lazy to make a zinc gun even worthy of a baseline reading for testing purposes. +--- 57909627 +>>57909428 +>Beretta 85 +Nice. +--- 57909628 +>>57909600 +>heavier than aluminum, lighter than steel +>stronger than aluminum, weaker than steel +Why must you fags lie? +--- 57909654 +>>57909558 +oh, why tf didn't OP just say zinc alloy? that term literally everyone uses +--- 57909662 +>>57907103 (OP) +My Enfield No.4 Mk.1 has a Zamak b*tt plate. +--- 57909672 +>>57907185 +Nice try glowie. Keep those pipes hot boys. +--- 57909709 +>>57909654 +Not everyone has a smooth brain. +--- 57909767 +>>57909558 +It’s what hot wheels are made of +--- 57909769 +>>57909628 +Zamak 6.8 kg/dm3 +Steel 7.85 kg/dm3 +Aluminum 2.7 g/cm3 + +Zamak UTS 397 MPa +Common carbon steel UTS ~600 MPa +6061 Aluminum UTS ~300 MPa +7075 Aluminum UTS ~500 MPa + +Calling it a metal that weighs as much as steel while being as strong as alumnium is COMPLETELY justified. +It is a metal to be only used where the strength of steel is not necessary, the lightness of aluminum is not necessary, and ease of casting is desired, ie. NOT IN FIREARMS +--- 57909832 +>>57909769 +Correct. You also always need more zamak for a part than steel to get decent strenght and sturdiness, so you end with way more weight. +That's why a cheap airsoft AK weights a ton more than a real one, and not just because the electrical gearbox. +--- 57909844 +>>57909120 +No, the only true currency is violence +--- 57910507 +>>57909102 +>While you may not shoot your thousands of boolets, if shit really hit the fan bullets would be the new currency. +no they wouldn't. in countries which have experienced economic disasters, batteries and other daily supplies have been more valuable than bullets. gunfights are rare but needing to wash your dishes in the dark is pretty common. +--- 57910870 +>>57909483 +I was referring to scandium which Smith uses in a number of revolvers and autos. But mostly revolvers. Most people say it's a meme but they still sell the shit. +--- 57911077 +>>57910507 +The man with all the tampons in a disaster is king. +--- 57911124 +>>57908885 +Fun plinking starts at 100 shots per hour, not 10. +--- 57911158 +>>57907181 +They’re for killing small game when you are starving to death +--- 57911172 +>>57908885 +?Thousands of rounds of .22lr is hundreds of hours of wholesome plinking fun with the grandkids. +>In a total economic collapse, that 50 rounds of 12gay might put food on your table. +In the same space that 500 rounds of .22lr can be stored. Both are good to have; why choose one or another? 50rds of buckshot or slugs is ~$25-50. 500 rounds of hollowpoint .22lr is about $30. Buck or slugs can get you deer. .22lr can get you nearly anything else that's smaller. Squirrel? One .22lr. Groundhog? One .22lr. +--- 57911195 +>>57909672 +--- 57911220 +>>57909079 +You consume and stock antiobiotics in large amounts right now? Are you serious? I think you might have bigger problems. +--- 57911251 +>>57907103 (OP) +t. dynacast marketer. Go fuck yourself with a rake, astroturfer. +--- 57911358 +>>57907181 +this is bait post + +I literally shot 500 rounds of .22lr last range trip. why the fuck wouldn't I try to have thousands of rounds? +--- 57911416 +>>57911358 +This, I bought a case of federal 325 making 3250 and it isnt that much ammo, that is 10-20(max) range trips. Great supressive fire support inbetween designated shots when shtf +--- 57911419 +>>57908885 +Reasonable +--- 57911941 +>>57911358 +Also this. 15 round mags go quick; I like BX-15s. Even with slowfire it goes quick. A box of 250 or 500 isn't an unreasonable amount of .22 to shoot in a trip. It's so cheap that it's something nice to shoot to keep your skills sharp. I also stock a good amount of pellets when I can't arrange a 2-3 hour range trip for a week or two so I plink those instead again to keep my skills sharp. +--- 57911972 +>>57907103 (OP) +This picture makes me think of a space age silver KitKat and now I'm sad that they don't exist ;_; +--- 57912511 +>>57911358 +I think anon meant thousands of pounds of .22lr +--- 57912589 +>>57907103 (OP) +There is never going to be a second civil war or similar event around which people have planned their existence. Plates, helmets, thermals, nods, ir lasers, and other such gadgets might be fun toys, but they will never be used in domestic combat. +--- 57912618 +>>57907181 +To be honest my mental well-being improves when I have enough 22lr stockpiled that it starts to look like I could swim in it Scrooge Mcduck style… +--- 57912653 +>>57911972 +https://www.joann.com/wilton-color-mist-food-color-spray/11144847.html +https://www.joann.com/cake-crafts-metallic-cookie-drizzle-silver/17280173.html +https://www.joann.com/pearl-dust-3-grams/9046848.html +https://www.joann.com/wilton-47-oz-shimmer-dust-silver--gold--pearl/7840416.html +t. spends too much time in craft stores +--- 57913364 +.40 S&W is a fine cartridge +--- 57914364 +>>57907103 (OP) +>ZAMAK 2 is a better choice for firearms than aluminum. It's stronger +Aluminum is used in a variety of alloys and tempers, but in applications where strength actually matters, 7075-T6 is probably the most common, and guess what? It's significantly stronger than Zamak 2, and also less brittle. Of course it's lighter too, which is usually beneficial, but could be worse if you need the mass. (But usually that means reciprocating parts that you shouldn't be making out of brittle crap. Use steel or stainless.) +--- 57914409 +>>57907185 +You're right, you actually need to fart on the rounds themselves +--- 57914418 +>>57907181 +>pistols are the best home defense weapons + +A + +HEM + +subsonic boat tail 556 exists. Why wouldn't you use an SBR? +--- 57914429 +>>57908223 +Real talk + +Why don't we see gucci titanium uppers for the sake of putting in hot loads? Can titanium even handle that kind of pressure or is it the barrel we need to worry about more? +--- 57914451 +>>57907181 +>pistols are the best home defense weapons +The existence of bullpup SBRs makes this statement objectively false +--- 57914465 +>>57914418 +1. you need a hand free to open/close doors, make phone calls, or turn lights on/off +2. you need to be able to perform very compact retention shooting +3. a pistol is more useful for answering the front door; not to mention you can quietly pocket the gun if it's a friend or family member which you invite inside +4. being able to put the gun in your pocket, or hold it behind your back, makes using it more convenient if you're not certain that there is an intruder but want to avoid alarming your wife/kids/neighbors + +pistol just makes sense. +--- 57914485 +>>57911358 +Even with a turnbolt and a cooldown so mirage doesn't become a problem, I shoot around a hundred rounds. I can burn through a thousand rounds in a semi, especially when shooting for fun and not drilling, pretty easy. +--- 57914490 +>>57914465 +>open and close doors + +Easy enough with such a short weapon + +>Phone calls + +Same + +>Lights + +Attach one + +>Answering the door + +Why the fuck would you do this if you're not expecting anyone? + +>My hecking wife and kids are scared of muh gun + +Not my problem +--- 57914499 +>>57914451 +>mogs your shitty meme rifle +--- 57914522 +>>57914490 +>Why the fuck would you do this if you're not expecting anyone? +for the opportunity to become belligerent with a stranger + +>Not my problem +tension with your cohabitants is very much your problem. it's one of the only real problems a person can have +--- 57914541 +>>57907181 +>50 rounds of 12ga buckshot (...) for home defense +>pistols are the best home defense weapons +Okay, show me what 12ga pistol you're using anon, I want to see it. +--- 57914549 +>>57914499 +I wasn't even directly advocating for bullpups as a home defense option. They just have every conceivable benefit of a pistol on top of rifle qualities. + +But now that you said something, there's literally no argument you can make against bullpup being superior to conventional rifle layout for HD, but you're welcome to try. +--- 57914552 +>>57914522 +>for the opportunity to become belligerent with a stranger + +Fuck that shit I ain't ending up dead to sate bloodlust, let them come to me +--- 57914567 +>>57914541 +Fuck it + +>pistols your shotgun + +https://americanguncraft.com/product/diablo-12-gauge-pistol-nickel-with-black-or-rosewood-finish-grips-available-soon-place-your-backorder-now/ diff --git a/k/57907129.txt b/k/57907129.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6b1eb48c84ade5fbc8719cb94def655761222e69 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907129.txt @@ -0,0 +1,598 @@ +----- +--- 57907129 +Which is better JASSM or storm shadow? +--- 57907145 +>>57907129 (OP) +I dunno. +--- 57907173 +>>57907129 (OP) +The missile developed by the country with experience designing low-observable aircraft. +--- 57907199 +>>57907173 +Or the country who beat you at designing a supersonic jet? +--- 57907208 +>>57907199 +>beat you +If you wanna talk about beatings we can always go back to the 1770s. +--- 57907215 +>>57907129 (OP) +They are basically the same thing +--- 57907235 +>>57907129 (OP) +I’d put my money on the JASSM given it’s a more LO design and has a RAM coating +--- 57907244 +>>57907215 +kek no +--- 57907262 +>>57907244 +They are stealthy subsonic cruise missiles delivering bunker busting warheads. Either will do. If its just plain JASSM vs SCALP then the latter has longer range. +--- 57907282 +>>57907262 +>they’re the same +>ignore that scalp doesn’t have RAM coating +>ignore the longer ranges JASSM variant +>ignore the JASSMs successful penetration of Russian IADS in Syria +kek no +--- 57907315 +JASSM is better and is integrated on better aircraft. + +Storm Shadow is only integrated on Tornado, Typhoon, Mirage, and Rafale. + +JASSM is integrated on F-15, F-16, F/A-18, F-35, B-1, B2 +--- 57907316 +>>57907129 (OP) +Doesn't really matter desu because near-pear adversaries to the west are about as real as bigfoot +--- 57907378 +>>57907282 +You asked about JASSM and Storm Shadow/SCALP. i compared those two missiles. you're now getting upset because you wanted me to compare JASSM-ER? Who hurt you? +--- 57907394 +>>57907378 +>JASSM-ER doesn’t fall under JASSM +kek desperate +--- 57907423 +>>57907129 (OP) +>JASSM 4 Operators, 2 planned +>SCALP 9 Operators + +Market seems to say SCALP but as others have said there really isn't much in it as they are essentially the same thing. +--- 57907448 +>>57907423 +Scalp has been around 20 years longer. They’re not the same thing at all. JASSM-ER has a much longer range, more sophisticated flight profiles and attack modes, and this one’s huge, the JASSM has a RAM coating and the scalp does not +--- 57907459 +>>57907208 +I’m Spanish so I’m pretty happy you fucked the brits shit up actually +--- 57907466 +>>57907448 +Wait the storm shadow doesn’t use Radar absorbing materials? That’s fucked +--- 57907484 +>>57907423 +I used the free market to compare MANPADS systems +>stinger +37 operators +>starstreak +Only 6 +--- 57907507 +>>57907448 +>Scalp has been around 20 years longer. + +They haven't, Storm Shadow was first used in 2003, JASSM was around in 2009. Both missiles have stealth features, including RAM coatings. +--- 57907514 +>>57907484 +>when the market speaks volumes +--- 57907548 +>>57907507 +storm shadow orders started in 1997. Its first use isn’t relevant. Are you attempting to say the JASSM was developed before storm shadow? +--- 57907564 +>>57907484 +Holy shit the mogging. So many countries chose stinger over starstreak +--- 57907572 +>>57907129 (OP) +>JASSM only used twice in combat +>Both against random buildings with no defensive weaponry +lol +--- 57907574 +>>57907548 +F22 was ordered in the 1980's what that has to do with when they arrived is a different matter entirely. +--- 57907578 +>>57907572 +>Syria wasn’t under a massive IADS bubble just trust me +--- 57907585 +>>57907129 (OP) +The one that can launch from submarines, ships and planes. Having one missile for all platforms is a huge cost saver, also makes strike planning so much easier. +--- 57907599 +>>57907578 +we have like 20 videos of syrian air defence of various types being blown up from the air lol +--- 57907606 +>>57907199 +Was there another country that designed F-100 before America? +--- 57907607 +>>57907599 +How does this help your argument that they had no defensive weaponry that you claimed >>57907572 +--- 57907613 +>>57907129 (OP) +I would imagine they are comparable. +--- 57907627 +>>57907572 +If it's so good why did they only use it twice? +--- 57907652 +>SCALP +Range-300 miles +>JASSM-ER +Range-575 miles +>JASSM-XR +Range-1200 miles +--- 57907672 +>>57907627 +Same could be said about starstreak. If it’s so good how come it’s only been used in (1) conflict in 30 years. One conflict in 30 years is terrible +--- 57907697 +>>57907652 +This seals it. The longer range, better LO features, and more launch platforms makes the JASSM a much better missile. +--- 57907742 +European nations prefer the JASSM +--- 57907752 +>>57907607 +>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person +--- 57907760 +>>57907742 +Browner people tend to operate the storm shadow +--- 57907778 +>>57907752 +>reply to post directly +>you reply back +>IM NOT THE SAME GUY I SWEAR +--- 57907822 +>>57907129 (OP) +Don't they both use the same BROACH warhead? +--- 57907848 +>>57907760 +Did you crop it to hide the fact that the UK would make that 4 European operators now vs 2 now and 2 in the future for Jassm? Seems like that would invalidate your last cope post. +--- 57907849 +>>57907822 +Nah, JASSM uses a hardened earth-penetrating warhead with a novel system that aligns its axis along the course so it enters the target at the best possible angle and gets much more penetration than normal penetrating bombs. +--- 57907862 +>>57907849 +Yeah that sounds like BROACH. Heat warhead with a follow through bomb. +--- 57907884 +>>57907822 +The warheads aren’t what make them different. I can’t find a single source stating that the storm shadow has RAM. The biggest drawback is that it can’t be updated in flight like the JASSM. It has 0 ability to switch to secondary targets. The JASSM is networked so it can see if other missiles destroyed its primary target and will then switch to secondary targets. +>It is a fire and forget missile, programmed before launch. Once launched, the missile cannot be controlled or commanded to self-destroy and its target information cannot be changed. Mission planners programme the missile with the target air defences and target. +https://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/0186cc2a_1143_ec82_2ef2bffff37857da.pdf +--- 57907913 +>>57907884 +Out of all the thing posted in this thread this is the one that gives JASSM the real edge. Storm shadow may get data link upgrades in the future but that has not happened yet. From a planning standpoint this is huge +--- 57907919 +>>57907884 +If you're launching a cruise missile and needing to swap targets mid way through a 20 minute flight, your intelligence needs some work. +--- 57907923 +>>57907919 +Not if it's part of a large saturation attack. In that case once a missile gets through you WANT your missiles left to switch to secondary or tertiary targets +--- 57907951 +>>57907919 +Maybe for a country that doesn’t have the capability. If you want to destroy a target for sure you throw 20 storm shadows at it. With the JASSM you can program secondary targets so when the main target is destroyed you get some extra bang for your buck. The irony is that this feature exists on brimstone and is one of its main selling points. +--- 57907964 +>>57907129 (OP) +JASSM XR has a 1900km range, how is this even a fair comparison? +--- 57907968 +>>57907862 +No, i mean it has no HEAT but just a hardened warhead, like a massive SDB glide bomb. + +JSOW is the only US missile with a broach warhead. +--- 57907988 +>>57907919 +>>57907923 +On that note + +JASSM is deployable from C-130/C-17/C-15 (or any other cargo plane that can fit the rapid dragon pallet and has the ability to drop pallets mid-air) specifically to do long range saturation attacks. +--- 57908003 +>>57907129 (OP) +>Can conceivably drop 500 of JASSM-ERs out of the ass of some C-130's + +One of these is better than the other by definition. +--- 57908007 +>>57907968 +So it's inferior to broach? +--- 57908026 +>>57907884 +holy shit storm shadow isn’t networked? +--- 57908028 +>>57908007 +A GBU-39 penetrates as much as broach, JASSM is way bigger so it's going to penetrate more. US also used broach on the older JSOW but chose not to on newer missiles, which suggests it's worse. +--- 57908038 +>>57908026 +Unfortunately it hasn’t received a data link upgrade yet. Even tomahawks are networked now +--- 57908051 +>>57908038 +Tomahawks were networked long ago, like early 2000s with the upgraded block III and block IV. +--- 57908069 +>>57908051 +Baffling that storm shadow didn’t get the same upgrade. I guess since the UK uses tomahawks they could still somewhat retain the capability. +--- 57908077 +>>57908028 +>JASSM is way bigger + +The warheads are the same weight? One has a precursor charge to open a hole, the other doesn't. +--- 57908084 +>>57908069 +I doubt they procured enough of them for this to be useful in saturation attacks. +--- 57908096 +>>57908077 +JASSM is way bigger than SDB that uses a similar warhead type. SDB already has similar penetration to the broach warhead. +--- 57908108 +>>57908077 +Storm shadow isn’t data linked +--- 57908115 +>>57907919 +It's just yet another Warriortard noticed a slight edge and thus decides a similar system is useless despite the differences being negligible and vary dependant on cost episode. +All of the posts spamming at you emotion posting using rhetoric like "omg X doesn't have X, it's awful" is warriortard. + +None of the cruise missiles attacks in Iraq were able to network and they worked just fine. +--- 57908117 +>>57908096 +There are several leaps of faith here that people aren't going to take with you. +--- 57908132 +New thread >>57908046 +--- 57908138 +>>57908117 +Basically US already used broach warhead but chose not to use it on their newer missiles because their warhead is better. That's all there is to it. +--- 57908151 +>>57907282 +>ignore the JASSMs successful penetration of Russian IADS in Syria +French and British struck Syria with SCALP/Storm Shadow in the same operation +Russian MoD claimed to shoot down all the British ones but somehow not the French ones +--- 57908165 +>>57908151 +Kek. Russian retardation at it's finest. +--- 57908172 +>>57908138 +The US didn't chose anything. JSOW was made by Raytheon and JASSM was made by Lockheed. +--- 57908177 +>>57908165 +It's not retardation, they're just programmed to bark at bongs but kiss up to french. That's all there is to it. +--- 57908197 +>>57908151 +I think it was Tomahawks they claimed to shoot down - like 60 of them. They couldn't prove a single missile of any kind was shot down. +--- 57908199 +>>57908172 +US and Lockheed had access to the broach warhead but chose not to use it, because it's worse than what they have today. There's nothing else about it. +--- 57908207 +>>57908199 +I like making up stuff too. +--- 57908215 +>>57907129 (OP) +Jazz Shadow. +--- 57908227 +>>57908207 +You can cope more if you want, i'm not stopping you. It won't change that US dumped broach warhead in non-obsolete weapons. +--- 57908229 +>>57908199 +This reads like a literal childs argument +--- 57908307 +>>57908115 +It’s not a slight edge. JASSM has longer range. JASSM has RAM and scalp does not. JASSM is networked and scalp is not. The capabilities gap is massive in favor of JASSM +--- 57908467 +>>57908307 +You know fuck all but it's ok. +Storm shadow has lower RCS even without RAM lmao, you also cope about some manufactured advantage about it not using BROACH too. Honestly this is just another seethe thread as per your usual MO. + +JASSM has less stealth capabilities (including low level flight) so they're not as directly comparible at all. +The warheads are designed for entirely different targets you're a faggot for comparing them. +Networking is such a non issue I don't understand why you even bother posting. +--- 57908473 +>>57908467 +>Storm shadow has lower RCS even without RAM lmao +Surely you just forgot to link your sources +--- 57908487 +>>57908467 +>w…we don’t want the ability to network even if it’s the main selling point of the brimstone missile +--- 57908517 +>>57908197 +Nah the UK contribution to the strikes was only in the form of Storm Shadows launched by Tornados flying from Cyprus. The Royal Navy wasn't involved. +All Tomahawks used were from US Navy ships along with the B-1 launched JASSMs +The French used both SCALP (from Mirage 2000, Rafale) and MdCN (a/k/a Naval SCALP, from FREMM) +--- 57908539 +>>57908473 +Post your source, you mentioned it first. You claimed it after all. +>>57908487 +>Tanks are strategic bombing targets +You do realise firing 15 non stealth missiles at a time against unknown number of targets in a small area it makes sense right, as apposed to specific low number of missile targets using expensive warheads within a relatively short range at high speed. + +If you want to do decapitation strikes you need larger, longer range missiles than both, then networking would be far more valuable. +Also stop samefagging. +--- 57908592 +>>57908539 +He forgot to mention JASSM-ER doesn't have terrain based navigation system and is entirely dependant on GPS/INS and is thus significantly more vulnerable to jamming. +--- 57908618 +>>57908592 +>is entirely dependant on INS and is thus significantly more vulnerable to jamming. +--- 57908649 +>>57908618 +Tell us how accurate INS is over time for 50 please alex. +--- 57908651 +>>57908467 +>Storm shadow has lower RCS even without RAM lmao +>A country with 0 stealth design experience produces something with lower RCS than US +>JASSM has less stealth capabilities (including low level flight) +>It has more +>The warheads are designed for entirely different targets +Both are bunker busters and US is one generation ahead +Cope and seethe, bongoloid +--- 57908668 +>>57908649 +Very, since it's not 1960s nowadays, kevin. +--- 57908692 +warriortard wastes so much time posting delusions, the people around him must think he's a massive loser +--- 57908694 +>>57908651 +>Europe has 0 stealth design experience cope +Are you intentionally retarded or are you just trying hard to look stupid. +Also not a bong faggot. +--- 57908712 +>>57908694 +Name operational european stealth aircraft then. +--- 57908741 +>>57908517 +Your post has nothing to do with what I said? +--- 57908752 +>>57908712 +>What is frontal RCS +You do realise how radars work, right anon? +Nearly every European fighter has decent frontal RCS. +There are also various designs within Europe such as MBB Lampyridae etc that the US effectiely sabotaged. +It's not a magic technology only the US has access to. +--- 57908778 +>>57908752 +Name actual european stealth aircraft designs instead of bitching about ebil US boogeyman, please. +--- 57908781 +>>57908778 +Are you unable to read? +--- 57908796 +>>57908781 +So you concede that storm shadow was made by people with 0 stealth design experience? +--- 57908798 +>>57908539 +>networking is bad for striking targets but not bad for striking other targets?????? +>because it just is ok +--- 57908804 +>>57908752 +What about all aspect stealth designs? The US fielded multiple +--- 57908813 +>>57908741 +By that logic, your post had nothing to do with the post you replied to said +>Russians claimed they shot down only the British missiles +>(you) responds they were tomahawks not Storm Shadow +>reply stating that Brits did not use tomahawks in the strikes where Russia claimed to shoot down all British missiles +--- 57908825 +>>57908804 +Even the frontal aspect is just cope. There are and never have been any functional european stealth aircraft. +--- 57908833 +>>57908825 +I know anon. It’s funny to watch him struggle. Just wait till you read about how brimstones networking is great but JASSMs is useless +--- 57908840 +>>57907484 +>warriortard reveals himself by bringing starstreak up for no reason +--- 57908860 +>>57908840 +The argument was that storm shadow was better because more people bought it. So bringing up the fact that 6x as many nations bought stinger over starstreak is relevant to attack the logic fallacy. If scalp is better for that reason the user must also concede that stinger is better for that reason. It worked +--- 57908869 +>>57908804 +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EADS_Mako/HEAT +Plans on Upgrading Eurofighter to stealthier varients were cancelled in favour of later fighters which have yet to materialise. +Effectively every European fighter project was moved further along, but the technology that exists to create it exists within Europe generally. +Echo 1 was designed by a fucking Russian retard, and stealth RAM coatings are not a secret, you do realise how many Europeans currently operate F35's. + +But were straying off topic because OP (Warriortard) is a faggot and likes to do that. The missile has better RCS, and until you can prove otherwise you can cope and seethe about your GPS reliant missile. +>>57908833 +Keep proving to me you're a neverserved as per usual. +--- 57908882 +>>57908869 +>The missile has better RCS, and until you can prove otherwise you can cope +kek he’s off his game today +--- 57908894 +>>57908869 +>Status Cancelled +thanks for playing +--- 57908898 +>>57908869 +>Keep proving to me you're a neverserved as per usual. +Please tell us how your military service led you to believe that networking isn’t a big part of strike planning. Enlighten us as to how the capability is only good against tank formations +--- 57908973 +>*adds storm shadow insecurity to the list of things to trigger bongs* +--- 57908994 +>>57908898 +How often does the US use JSSAM-ER in large numbers anon. Go on, post every time they used them in large numbers. Go on, that's what I thought. In your hypothetical where the missiles go after high priority targets first, and then defer to secondary, I admit has some small utitity, but honestly it can be mitigated by just sending more missiles that are guarenteed to hit +Provide me proof that it can survive GPS and signal jamming in a contested airspace so it can even get to use the networking in the first place. That's what I thought. + +Anything closer range in, say, a fighters radar range has far more cost effective weaponry to be used within engagement envelopes +--- 57909030 +>>57908994 +Why does the capability have to be used for it to exist? I’m not following your line of reasoning. Why would we build MIRVs even if we never used them. +--- 57909046 +>>57909030 +Ah, so the cope has turned into hypotheticals +Got it. +You'd never let me get away with that you turbonigger. +--- 57909054 +>>57908994 +It doesn't use GPS for terminal guidance, retard. INS is sufficient to get to the terminal stage, GPS is just nicer to have. +--- 57909057 +>>57908994 +>Provide me proof that it can survive GPS and signal jamming in a contested airspace +Sure after you provide me proof that someone can jam a swarm of JASSMs in the first place. Be specific about times US military GPS was jammed that resulted in the disruption of a cruise missile attack +--- 57909071 +>>57909046 +There’s nothing hypothetical about saying the JASSM has network capabilities and the storm shadow does not. It’s objective fact. +--- 57909074 +>>57909054 +It uses IIR seeker for terminal guidance anyway, neither GPS nor INS. +--- 57909082 +>>57909074 +That's what I was saying, GPS/INS just gets it to terminal stage. +--- 57909091 +>>57909057 +>Oh no +>Our short range JDAMs are suffereig from Russian Jamming +>Better tell the Ukrainians to make sure they get a signal before being jammed, so they can resort to INS and actually work +Yeah, they're gonna get jammed and be innacurate. Your INS fantasies are just that, and the fact that you think they are able to prioritise targets when they don't even know where the missile is is pretty cope. +--- 57909109 +>>57909091 +May I have a source for this. And we aren’t talking about JDAMs we’re talking about JASSM. Why do you keep jumping around +--- 57909112 +>>57909091 +>jdam is a cruise missile now +is this how bongoloids cope? +--- 57909124 +>>57908994 +>Provide me proof that it can survive GPS and signal jamming in a contested airspace +Sure I'll just post the jamming decibel required to defeat the acquisition and track of GPS into my favorite minecraft streamer discord. Do you think there aren't anti-jam capabilities? +>>57909091 +DId Ukraine use any JDAM? The time of flight of a JDAM actually makes it less reliant on GPS. The INS CEP is still very good, better if you minimize time of flight. +--- 57909126 +>>57909109 +Your government leaked clasified information recently, you're not telling me you don't believe them do you? Are you seriously telling me you can't compare the two and they're totally not comparible as GPS guided munitons. +>>57909112 +Sop samefagging it's not a good look. +--- 57909136 +>>57909091 +Even if that were verified to be true (it wasn’t) how would that translate to the JASSM? By the time the JASSM is within JDAM range of the target GPS will have no role in guidance +--- 57909145 +>>57909126 +Hello schizo, your cope has arrived +--- 57909160 +>>57909136 +This is cope. +They have an effective range of 575 mi (925 km). Any closer and you might as well use a non stealthy normal JASSM. +--- 57909162 +>>57909126 +>Your government leaked clasified information recently, +Show me the information leaked by the government that said jdams were effectively jammed. I have a feeling that you either won’t reply or you will reply without a source that says that +--- 57909171 +>>57909145 +I know full well you use your laptop and your phone to doublepost you giganigger +>>57909162 +Ah right, I keep forgetting you don't actually read other /k/ threads you just shill here in your own. +--- 57909172 +>>57909160 +What is a non stealthy normal JASSM +--- 57909175 +>>57907129 (OP) +Iirc JASSM has a longer range but the storm shadow has a larger warhead. There's also something about versatility of payload but I can't remember which one that was, been ages since I last read up about either of them. +--- 57909176 +>>57909160 +>a non stealthy normal JASSM +What does this even mean? All JASSM variants are stealthy, it's not like it's new technology for US. +--- 57909177 +>>57909126 +Your government if you are a bong leaks info on warthunder forums. Please reply to >>57909054 +and >>57909074 +Both missiles rely on GPS to get to the target and both have a terminal seeker, so I don't know what this is a hill that you're willing to die on. +--- 57909185 +>>57909171 +>he posted without providing a source to back up his claim that the US government leaked confirmation that JDAMs were effectively being jammed +--- 57909196 +>>57909171 +Yes, i'm sitting on my own CIA funded shillfarm that is there exclusively to hound mentally ill retards like you on the internet. + +Meanwhile there's 0 europeon aircraft in existence. +--- 57909199 +Why is warriortard manufacturing a seething bong poster. Why are the IP's not changing? Warriortard this is pathetic. I can tell it's you from the spelling mistakes. +--- 57909202 +>>57909199 +>why are the IPs not changing on a 20 post long chain +--- 57909208 +>>57909199 +>130+ posts +>18 IPs +Jesus +--- 57909222 +>>57909208 +Nigel’s mad about this one +F5 key must be feeling the pain +--- 57909224 +>>57909202 +>20 long post chain of the same person arguing with himself +yeah this is 100% a warriortard thread and i bet he stops posting after i post this +--- 57909241 +>>57909224 +The posts are too close together for it to be one person. I’m thinking you seethed too hard and got ganged up on and now this you trying to save face +--- 57909252 +>>57909241 +Anon have you never been in a warriortard thread before. +He's awfuly quiet. +--- 57909272 +>>57909252 +What the fuck are you talking about? If you want to discuss the capabilities of JASSM and storm shadow I’m all ears. Kind of weird how you just devolve back into thinking it’s just you and one other person in this thread +--- 57909308 +>>57908467 +>Networking is such a non issue I don't understand why you even bother posting. +delicious +--- 57909321 +Warriortard, if you’re in this thread you won. If you’re not in this thread, you won even harder +--- 57909599 +>>57909054 +INS can be jammed +--- 57910224 +>>57907129 (OP) +The answer is either LRASM or TLAM/TASM block v +--- 57910231 +>>57909599 +pardon my ignorance, but how? It's literally inside the thing. that being said idk how accurate INS is these days, you used to get a whole lot of drift with it. +--- 57910250 +>>57909208 +Holy fuck lmao, clearly the best is the Russian shitposter. +--- 57910261 +>>57910231 +You still get a load of drift with it. +--- 57910294 +>>57910231 +If the ball bearings inside the gyros are made by russians or chinese it's gonna get jammed. +--- 57910339 +>>57910294 +why are we not using laser gyros or solid state shit in the current year +8? +--- 57910374 +>>57910261 +How can it be jammed though +--- 57910458 +>>57907173 +the same country that cancelled their hypersonic programme? +--- 57910609 +>>57910458 +Why didn’t you include the SuperSonics programs that weren’t canceled? +--- 57910652 +>>57910231 +Pretty sure he's trolling. +>>57910339 +That is the standard, spec is around .8 nautical miles/hour. A lot of INS do it better than the spec, but it varies unit per unit. I don't think smart munitions use RLG though since their time of flight is usually less than a minute and again, you can minimize time of flight in a GPS denied environment. Something like JASSM with a longer time of flight, it just has to be close enough to see the target area for terminal guidance. +--- 57910662 +>>57910458 +Actually there are 3 omegasonic programmes active, with one currently deployed +--- 57910761 +>>57910652 +>I don't think smart munitions use RLG though +JASSM uses RLG. + +>The JASSM flies automatically through a predetermined route by using the onboard inertial navigation system that includes Anti-Jam Global Positioning System (AJGPS), and a ring laser gyro inertial measurement unit. + +>Additional navigation and guidance features on the air-to-surface missile include an imaging infrared (I2R) seeker, and automatic target correlator (ATC) for high precision strike rate. It can also carry powered low cost autonomous attack system (LOCAAS) sub-munitions integrating a dual mode laser detection and ranging (LADAR) system and a millimetre wave (MMW) seeker. +https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/agm-158-jassm-standoff-missile/ +--- 57910777 +>>57910761 +Thanks for settling that +--- 57912605 +>>57907672 +to be fair its been in one conflict in the last 30 years where the other side had a functional airforce + +>>57908651 +>>A country with 0 stealth design experience produces something with lower RCS than US +that would be a argument if true, but BAE has been doing stealth since at least the late 90s Replica for example, also taranis and Neuron, they dont have as much experience as the US but enough that projects like tempest are realistic aspirations on a technical level. +--- 57912690 +>>57912605 +The British have 0 successful indigenous stealth aircraft designs +--- 57913244 +a little bit off topic, but stealth missile is something the west has an advantage in compare to their adversaries. people keep hyping up hypersonic but why does no one ever talk about stealth missile? +--- 57913354 +>>57913244 +>people keep hyping up hypersonic but why does no one ever talk about stealth missile? +Because smart stealth missiles aren't sexy, nor do they generate clickbait like hypersonic missiles do. They're usually subsonic, low flying, evasive, quiet missiles that sneak through the side door while you're sleeping. Hypersonics are loud, hot, higher flying missiles that run up screaming while it kicks in the front door. Also, they're perceived as unstoppable by brainlets, which helps push their mythology even higher. +--- 57913360 +>>57912690 +Taranis, flies and is stealth diff --git a/k/57907166.txt b/k/57907166.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..90f17da80f8235e449d6c789bc3a6aa6532b3384 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907166.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 57907166 +Keep in mind it weights between 2.5-5 grams (RTHU) + +It is fueled by pure anger and aggression. +--- 57907447 +Looks like it could fit into a 12g shell. Beak provides AP capabilities. +--- 57907472 +Birbs are frens +--- 57907479 +>>57907166 (OP) +Lol maybe it should be fueled by russias losing lol! Am I right bros?? +--- 57907616 +>>57907166 (OP) +deploy from drones +--- 57909764 +>>57907166 (OP) +OP is of flesh and faith, and is the more deluded... +--- 57910928 +>>57907479 +that would explain why they can stay in the air for so long, it's basically on unlimited fuel +--- 57914822 +>>57907166 (OP) diff --git a/k/57907481.txt b/k/57907481.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f946001b8d9c34e65ce5797142af0f9aca710da6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907481.txt @@ -0,0 +1,489 @@ +----- +--- 57907481 +How hard would it be for a country like China or Russia to sink a carrier operating within a full sized and modern strike group? +--- 57907502 +>>57907481 (OP) +Without using nuclear weapons* +--- 57907505 +>>57907481 (OP) +in the open seas, like in the middle of the atlantic or pacific? unlikely that they could sink the whole group. +--- 57907516 +>>57907481 (OP) +It would be very painful. +--- 57907533 +>>57907516 +You're a big navy +--- 57907547 +Area denial/access denial is like the only thing both can hope to archive +--- 57907582 +Physically, it would be extremely hard to even damage the group and attempting to cause an outright sinking would be effectively a suicide mission with almost no chance of success, even with surprise on their side. +Mentally, it would be impossible, since ordering such an attack would have the political effect of Pearl harbor (i.e. the US has a casus belli to dismantle your country), with even less strategic value or chance of success. +--- 57907587 +>>57907481 (OP) +WW2 didn't have satellites. For China, they own half of the world's ISR satellites, the answer is not at all. 2021 capabilities allows China to track f-35b, which is already an achievement. +Following this, they easily have resources to maintaining tracking of CBGs if they wanted to really dedicate finding, and from there, direct AShBMs to easily sink carriers, because they cannot hide in age of satellites like so many westerners think +https://www.arabobserver.com/us-intelligence-chinas-army-owns-about-half-of-the-worlds-isr-systems/ +https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3177079/chinese-smart-satellite-tracks-us-aircraft-carrier-real-time +--- 57907637 +This also shows real time tracking of planes from Atlanta Airport, from Chinese civilian satellite +https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1325377922228629507 +Now imagine the capabilities PLA has with software being able to distinguish between target types, higher resolution, networking, image stabilization, etc. +--- 57907684 +>>57907587 +>>57907637 +China having surveillance capability that NATO and Russia had 50 years ago is irrelevant, since they have no plausible ability to actually hit a carrier group with any type of anti-ship missile. +--- 57907700 +Dunno, what stage of conflict is it? The second the yellow freaks start acting up they'll get waves of cruise missiles vaporizing their port facilities and air bases from submarines. If they escalate the next will be of super-fused low angle SLBMs that will decapitate their tinpot regime and send it back to the dark ages they pretend to have recently crawled out of. +As a total surprise? Perhaps they could get one. But there isn't one, there are 11. And they'd just be the most recent regime in a long line of them that fucked around and found out what an angry America is capable of. +--- 57907702 +>>57907481 (OP) +Not difficult, the Navy expects to sacrifice at least one when China invades Taiwan +It’s more vulnerable in the South China Sea outside of there it’s very unlikely to be sunk but within Chinese satellite capabilities and missile range it could very well be sunk +--- 57907763 +>>57907684 +And why is that? Any carrier operating in the 2nd island chain will be detected. It's not hard to find wake patterns, then zoom in, then calculate position. From there, target verification and guidance for hypersonics to deal the knockout blow +--- 57907799 +>>57907702 +>at least one +Now 2-3 in the opening stages, according to most recent CSIS report on Taiwan wargames. +--- 57907806 +>>57907763 +U sure they wouldn't use continuous SAR overflights like you coping subhumans were saying last thread? +--- 57907847 +>>57907763 +China does not have any type of "hyper-sonic" missile that is capable of directly hitting a moving carrier and that sort of technology is years away for developed nations, let alone a paper tiger like china. +--- 57907852 +>>57907763 +>the dastardly imperialist gods have turned on China again! +>ack! +--- 57907857 +>>57907481 (OP) +Armatard sucks a lot of donkey dicks lately. +--- 57907922 +>>57907481 (OP) +9 ships in your photo, 9 missiles of appropriate destructive capacity or 9 torpedoes. Since we exclude nuclear missiles and torpedoes, like the Mark 24(N) Tigerfish, the assume multiple torpedos for the carrier. + +How many for the carrier? Assuming no lucky hits on places that would sink it even faster. +--- 57908042 +>>57907806 +If you can't understand how China is capable of maintaining their kill chain to take out carriers, I cannot help you, you are simply stuck in the past. The capability and know-how is there, you are just willingly blinding yourself +https://m.baidu.com/video/page?pd=video_page&nid=18174899892109301007&sign=547157098597495137&word=%E5%8D%AB%E6%98%9F%E6%8D%95%E6%8D%89f35&oword=%E5%8D%AB%E6%98%9F%E6%8D%95%E6%8D%89f35&atn=index&frsrcid=48304&ext=%7B%22jsy%22%3A1%7D&top=%7B%22sfhs%22%3A1%2C%22_hold%22%3A2%7D&fr0=A&fr1=A&ms=1&lid=11160453171025362152&referlid=11160453171025362152&frorder=1&_t=1681928737158 +>>57907847 +Do not take my word for it, ask the US department of defense https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/more-details-on-chinas-exotic-orbital-hypersonic-weapon-come-to-light +--- 57908080 +>>57908042 +>gno, reery gaise, chinka synthretic abberture radahr werkz diffrentry dan arrr uver radahr, has quantums! +--- 57908081 +>>57907847 +According to classified Pentagon documents leaked online, China conducted a flight test of a developmental DF-27 IRBM-class hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) on Feb. 25. The HGV flew for ~12 minutes and traveled ~2,100km. +https://twitter.com/ryankakiuchan/status/1645657427315142656 +--- 57908102 +>>57907799 +>opening stages +no this is the entirety of the battle and it would come at the total defeat of the chinese invasion +they predict multiple carriers lost as well as many airframes but the chinese landing will fail +--- 57908103 +>>57907533 +For you. +--- 57908184 +>>57908042 +>>57908081 +Again wumao chingsects, China does not have a means for hitting a moving target with any of their hyper-sonic retry vehicles or the DF-ZF glide vehicle, since there is no practical method for providing terminal guidance to hyper-sonic missiles or glide vehicles. +China's forays into hypersonic ballistic missiles are not special or impressive and are something that the soviets and NATO did literally decades ago and mostly abandoned due to their lack of practicality vs air power. You're so deluded by propaganda that think that these missiles are a silver bullet, but actually they are a crutch for china's inability to compete with NATO in terms of air supremacy and naval projection power. +--- 57908240 +>>57908184 +Cope won't save you mutts. Please bomb China if you think their weapons don't work +--- 57908355 +>>57908240 +Once again Chang, your cope missiles cannot actually take out a carrier group no matter how hard you wish it were true. You've been told. +--- 57908363 +>>57907481 (OP) +It's very difficult. That's why you saw the USSR having entire regiments and wargaming sorties with 80+ Bombers carrying AShM's just to attack a CSG. It's not much easier for submarines either. The amount of ASW assets a carrier group has is substantial no matter if it's a USN , RN, PLAN, MN or BMO naval group. + +As much as people try to pretend like the Carrier and surface vessels are obsolete, the investment required to degrade their performance, let alone destroy them is massive and trying to do so in blue waters away from land based assets is even more expensive from a financial, training, material and production point of view. +--- 57908388 +>>57907481 (OP) +Unless you had a really good SAR, pretty hard. If you have a fast projectile (hypersonic or ballistic), it can't really aim in the terminal phase and will likely just miss / hit a countermeasure. If it's slow, it'll be picked out of the sky by CIWS. The only chance is during shitty weather when CIWS will be useless. +The first country to develop a hypersonic/ballistic missile with mid-course corrections and a datalink, if coupled with good SAR, they'll be able to sink any ship and hit any target in the world. +--- 57908389 +>>57908184 +>something that the soviets and NATO did literally decades ago +The Soviets had some wild plans and prototypes in the 80s like using ballistic missiles to attack submerged submarines. They ended up being dead ends, but they still invested quite a bit of resources into the effort before coming to the conclusion. +--- 57908445 +>>57908388 +>The first country to develop a hypersonic/ballistic missile with mid-course corrections and a datalink +so the US +--- 57908597 +>>57907481 (OP) +>>57907502 +Impossible. +--- 57908615 +>>57908445 +No doubt, plus they already have good enough SAR satellites. It's over, China will never catch up +--- 57908783 +>>57908363 +>Block your path +--- 57908904 +About as hard as dealing with a stealth decapitation nuclear strike. +--- 57908995 +>>57908783 +>*gets sunk by two LRASMs that it never saw coming* +--- 57909332 +>>57908995 +>>57908783 +You always have to laugh at these chingalings whose answer to the overwhelmingly long ranged and powerful surveillance, offensive and defensive capabilities of a modern CSG is always to launch ASMs from a frigate, as if the frigate would ever be able to get in range before getting detected and sunk by the CSG. +Like seriously chang, the half the resources of the CSG are dedicated to finding and curb stomp tin pot navies before they ever fire those missiles and the other half is dedicated to shooting down any missiles that do manage to get launched. +--- 57909344 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JklGjlu9VbM [Embed] +--- 57909387 +>>57909332 +>frigate +>13000t frigate +Lol +--- 57909465 +>>57909387 +All that displacement and yet significantly less capable than ships half its size. Han-sisters, not like this... +--- 57909503 +>>57909332 +>You always have to laugh at these burgers whose answer to the overwhelmingly long ranged and powerful surveillance, offensive and defensive capabilities of space satellites and ballistic missile trucks is always to launch fighters from a carrier, as if the carrier would ever be able to get in range etc +Step it up fampai. +--- 57909601 +>>57909465 +>All that displacement and yet significantly less capable than ships half its size +By what metrics mutt? +--- 57909912 +>>57907763 +>>57908081 +>>57908783 +implessive! +--- 57909930 +>>57908783 +*flies towards you* +Uhhh changbros??? +--- 57910068 +>>57909387 +>13000t +Proof? First it was 10k, then 11k, then 12k, and now 13k? Next week you'll be saying 20k. +--- 57910069 +>>57908102 +Majority of those casualties also came from the US adopting overly aggressive positions before the war starts as an attempt at deterrence, if I remember right, so the obvious takeaway is to not do that. +--- 57910109 +>>57907857 +This post is glowie screecher false flagging as an overly obnoxious anti-armatard and attacking an innocent thread. If you can look into what was said, it was a question and not implying anything jingoistic or that it would happen. So it's clear this is an attempt to groom innocent anons into attack Armatard's enemies. +--- 57910210 +>>57907481 (OP) +I'm not even sure if chinks even have enough AShM to saturate the Aegis network of a carrier group +--- 57910500 +>>57910109 +You are so bad at this, glowiescreecher. +--- 57910521 +>>57907481 (OP) +>China +Very +>Russia +Extremely. + +You'd have to throw a small fortune into just hitting a carrier through multiple layers of jamming, point defense, decoys, and even evasive maneuvers (35 knots isn't fast but it's also not slow). Even if you can hit a carrier, USN damage control is exceptional. Even the USS Forrestal fire couldn't destroy one and the USN instituted additional damage control training afterwards. China Might be able to sink a carrier or two by throwing everything they have at US carriers but that will just open them up to retaliations from US air bases and guided missile subs. +--- 57910618 +>>57907637 +>This also shows real time tracking of planes from Atlanta Airport, from Chinese civilian satellite +Proof? How is a sat in sun-synchronous orbit not moving as it's recording? Seems fake, to me. +--- 57910715 +>>57908042 +>Do not take my word for it, ask the US department of defense https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/more-details-on-chinas-exotic-orbital-hypersonic-weapon-come-to-light +>20 MILE CEP +KEK. +--- 57910773 +>>57907481 (OP) +It would be implessively easy. +--- 57910793 +>>57910500 +>that falseflag reply +Thanks for confirming the suspicions. +--- 57910863 +>>57907587 +In the China episode of "The Warship" the British fleet escaped Chinese pursuit by turning their lights and active radar off and then chased a kilo off. A zoomer woman was the officer of the watch throughout. And, god help me, a pride flag was flying from the rigging at the time. + +I think you may overrate them. +--- 57910871 +>>57907481 (OP) +like so +--- 57910923 +>>57910793 +Well, if i'm glowiescrecher than i'm a pedophile. +Now you say it. +--- 57910999 +>>57907481 (OP) +It has a few moving parts. Do the chinks have a missile capable of doing it? probably. can they also target it? maybe. in the end if the carrier killer is real, then the US will just go develop the satellite killer that allows the chinks to see beyond the horizon. +>>57910500 +>>57910109 +>glowiescreecher + +is there a filter for glownigger or are these two just retarded? +--- 57911075 +>>57910923 +Oh glowie screecher, quite fascinating watching you fail to answer the most basic thing, and try instead to gain the upperhand by demanding a specific response. No one owes you any desired comeback until you answer to why you called an innocent thread Armatard except to groom anons to attack your opponents. It appears your little pedogroomer attempt at evasion had enough projections to get closer to the answer, without you intending it. +>inb4 he cries that I wouldn’t talk about him in 3rd person. Classic narcissistic disorder +--- 57911090 +>>57910999 +glowiescreecher=single schizo that screeched a lot about glowies every time he lost an argument or seen something he didn't like +Count yourself lucky if you haven't encountred him in the past two years (you probably have, you just didn't know it was him), he's like a discount version of armatard, some suspect it's one of his alter egos. He loves to pretend to be one of his or armatards enemies in an obnoxious manner to rile people up against them. +--- 57911091 +>>57909930 +>subsonic +--- 57911110 +>>57911091 +--- 57911127 +>>57911075 +You accused me of being glowiescreecher. +I said if i'm glowiescrecher, than i'm a pedophile. +Then i asked you to do the same and you failed to do it. + +Now everyone can decide for themselves who is who. +--- 57911178 +>>57911090 +for example, see >>57907857 +Here glowiescreecher attacked an innocent thread to provoke anons to hate Armatard’s opponents. +--- 57911234 +>>57911178 +Noo, it's not, the post is not by him and the thread isnt innocent. + +t. >>57911090 +--- 57911711 +>>57911234 +Funny how until you came along false flagging, no one was spamming about Russia Stronk or any other jingoistic crap from Armatard’s real threads because they didn’t have anything to do with a simple or neutral question. Your goal was to piss everyone off and make them think the anons calling out Armatard when it is appropriate are derailing/shitposting like you did. +>b-b-but +Not working +--- 57911748 +>>57907481 (OP) +Grimm reapers have a massive series on this. the three successes i can think of was toss bombing a nuke at it via Mig 21 flying as fast as it could 2 feet off the deck, A similar attack with rockets landed hits, and an entire Russian carrier group resulted in a mutual kill with a lone tico managing to make it out. +--- 57911814 +>>57911091 +>implying that it can see the missile +>implying its turned on +>implying it works +--- 57911832 +>>57911814 +>implying the 30yr old outdated US navy can put up a fight against the largest fleet of modern warship of the world. +--- 57911847 +>>57911711 +>making the 20th armatard-tier "(can) X destroy US Carrier" thread +>innocent thread +Pick one, retard. + +Always remember, glowiescreecher, you are in this situation, because of your own vile actions and hideous behaviour, no one else is to blame for that but yourself, you CHOSE to do this for two years. +I don't care how mad or obsessed you are, how much you yearn for revenge, you are the reason for your own misery and it is well deserved. + +Also again, if i am glowiescreecher, than i am a pedophile. Is that canon now? Is it official? Is glowiescrecher a pedo? Yes or no? If you don't answer it or try any other bullshit its canon. It's probably true anyways. +--- 57911895 +Child's play. + +Remember to join the navy /k/ikes. +--- 57911899 +>>57911847 +>guys, look, Armatard opponents are why we can’t discuss anything +>look how much they derail the thread +I don’t care if you are Armatard, glowiescreecher, or a combination of both from the bathroom floor. No one is falling for this. +>inb4 he thinks it’s some gotcha that no one will play along with his third person pedo self-humiliation fantasy +--- 57911939 +>>57911832 +>modern +HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA +--- 57911981 +>>57911939 +US navy are outdated af +052D with C/S AESA radar and ASBM vs old shitty Burke with PESA radar and harpoon +--- 57911994 +>>57911981 +If china ever actually took their ships to sea you'd see some rust too +--- 57912010 +>>57911899 +>>guys, look, Armatard opponents are why we can’t discuss anything +>>look how much they derail the thread +Yes, this is both the shit you usually say when you aren't falseflagging and it's retarded to do something like this. Do you agree? Because i think it is. + +>I don’t care if you are Armatard, glowiescreecher, or a combination of both from the bathroom floor. No one is falling for this. +Nice projections, but i'm neither Armatard the vatnik schizo nor glowiescreecher aka Armatard's bitch boy, your insults are powerless and futile. + +>>inb4 he thinks it’s some gotcha that no one will play along with his third person pedo self-humiliation fantasy +Lets face it, if you actually were against glowiescreecher you would have laughed your ass off for him admitting he's a pedo, but all we get from you is your damage control. + +Say it: If i am glowiescreecher, than i am a pedophile. +Here i can say it again myself: If i am glowiescreecher, than i am a pedophile. +Isn't that easy? Why can't you do it, you have literally nothing to lose, you only have something to lose when you glowiescreecher. +--- 57912037 +>>57911981 +>052D with C/S AESA radar +Proof it has AESA? May I see an up close picture to verify? +>and ASBM +What ones, exactly? +--- 57912091 +>>57912037 +>What ones, exactly? +The ones that can only hit stationary targets on clear days after multiple passes of uncontested SAR satellites. +--- 57912104 +>>57907481 (OP) +Wake homing torpedoes +--- 57912115 +With a nuke its trivial. +With a supersonic glider with only HE it's pretty hard. +--- 57912216 +>>57912091 +I even doubt their abilities to get a firing solution with SAR sats. +--- 57912253 +>>57907481 (OP) +it took the US several days to sink our own destroyer when it was decommissioned, i imagine a carrier would take over a week of non-stop pummeling to even take on significant water +--- 57912289 +>>57912253 +https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-why-it-took-four-weeks-to-scuttle-uss-america-the-only-supercarrier-ever-sunk/ +--- 57912311 +>>57907481 (OP) +In ideal circumstances a few dozen missiles per ship when the strike group is 100% known in position and heading and close to China's coast. + +Virtually impossible in any other circumstance. +--- 57912356 +>>57911994 +they do. it's not like they aren't out for training at sea for months on end +--- 57912455 +>>57912356 +Still blowing gear drives like no tomorrow? +--- 57912486 +>>57912010 +Imagine thinking you are the one in a position to demand anything here, lmao. After trying (and failing) to derail the thread with a falseflag, weakly offering a non-explanation of how it could possibly be Armatard’s thread when everyone else is having a normal convo, getting called out for your shit, and now impotently screeching your little “No! You!” fits. Armatard, glowie screecher, or whatever the fuck your are, you may be a pedo, but more likely you m fail at even that, and are still a virgin. It could explain the frustration and why you enjoy the attention so much. +--- 57912582 +>>57912486 +Again, glowiescreecher, you are in this situation, because of your own actions, your constant lying, samefagging and other vile action, no one else is to blame for your anger and problems but yourself. + +You are glowiescreecher and you are currently falseflagging, everyone can watch you do it, watch how you do it and how you try to damagecontrol yourself out of the situation. But there is nothing you can do to salvage the situation, like always you had done it worse for yourself. + +Glowiescreecher is a pedophile, do you agree? You say i'm glowiescreecher, i say; when i am glowiescreecher, than i am a pedophile. Congrats you played yourself, you never would be in this situation if you weren't such a shill and tried to support the biggest faggot on the board. +--- 57912696 +>>57912582 +>doesn't deny being a pathetic virgin +>doesn't deny posting >>57907857, the false flag which got him ridiculed to begin with + +You tried to derail the thread by pretending to be an anti-Armatard and attacking an Armatard thread. You wanted everyone to say that Armatard's enemies are the problem with the board, yada yada. The problem for you is, everyone can see it was a normal thread and not a "Russia stronk" thread like Armatard posted. Everyone was having a normal conversation until you, a basement dwelling shitstain, came along to bait the easiest board to bait, but failed at even that. Similar to how you want to be called a pedo but probably fail at even that, and remain a virgin. +--- 57912788 +>>57912696 +Trying to squirm yourself out of the situation isn't working, it never has worked, why would work now, glowiescreecher? + +How come me, someone you accuse of being glowiescrecher can say: +If i am glowiescreecher, than i am a pedophile. +But you are incapable of doing it, when you claim you AREN'T glowiescreecher, it only would harm you when you are HIM and it's so fucking easy to do, it's literally a short sentence, you could just copy it and would lose nothing. You are even more interested to talk about everything else, but that. God, you are so bad at this, glowiescreecher. +--- 57912909 +>>57912788 +>No one will play with me, that means I win! +A therapist could have a field day with your sorry ass, that is certain. But lets get back to the topic at hand, your sad attempt to falseflag as Armatard's enemies to derail the thread, and how it backfired in your face and embarrassed you in front of the whole board yet again, and now flopping around in your own shit to rub it in. Keep screeching about how no one will entertain your fetish by repeating something verbatim with the pronouns changed, it's quite the spectacle. +--- 57913048 +>>57912909 +>A therapist could have a field day with your sorry ass, that is certain. +Nice projection. +>>57912909 +>But lets get back to the topic at hand, +of you being incapable of saying something that would only harm you if you were glowiescreecher and you demand an answer to something after you got asked for something first you keep ignoring. + +Everyone can look it up, here you got asked to say it >>57910923. And while i, the person you accuse of being glowiescreecher can say it repeatedly, you fail every time. +Here same thing again; if i am glowiescreecher than i am a pedophile. + +You can not say it and there is nothing you can do beside making more damage control posts, glowiescreecher. +--- 57913077 +>>57907481 (OP) +I believe the entire bottom of the hull is like a giant steel honeycomb, all the compartments being sealed water tight. Even if you blue several giant holes in the bottom, I don't think it would sink. +Didn't they try to sink a decomissioned one to make a an artificial reef and failed on first try? +That's if you can even find it. Find it, then track it that is, then hit it, then hit it enough to sink it, not likely. I would assume you're best bet would be to destroy the catapults and tower. +--- 57913093 +>>57907502 +1 hypersonic hitting a ship will sink it. The kinetic force would rip it apart. +--- 57913137 +>>57910109 +>>57910793 +>>57911075 +>>57911178 +>>57911711 +>>57911899 +>>57912486 +>>57912696 +>>57912909 +If i'm glowie screecher, than i'm a pedophile. +Say it. +--- 57913343 +>>57907857 +>>57910500 +>>57910923 +>>57911090 +>>57911127 +>>57911847 +>>57912010 +>>57912582 +>>57912788 +>>57913048 +>>57913137 +>t. false flagging fake ass anti-Armatard + +Imagine lying this much when the post chain where your non-genuine reply comes first, and the fact this is a normal thread and not an Armatard thread as you accused, is clear for all to see. Is being a sex offender why you can never post guns, Armatard / glowie screecher ? And no, not repeating your stupid line for whatever cropped screenshot or 50iq glavset gotcha you had in mind. +--- 57913384 +>>57913343 +You didn't say it, so here we go again: +If i'm glowie screecher, than i'm a pedophile. +Say it. +--- 57913452 +>>57913343 +Here is the post >>57910923 where you were ask to say "if i'm glowiescrecher than i'm a pedophile." You failed to do it even after all this time, but instead tried to squirm yourself out of the situation like you are doing now. + +Literally no person who isn't glowiescreecher would have had any problem saying the sentence, you did for hours. This goes especially for anyone who is actually against glowiescreecher, you are clearly not. +--- 57913487 +>>57907481 (OP) +Hard. Meme sonic missiles can't hit moving targets. Static basses within the battlespace are of much more concern. +--- 57913526 +>>57907481 (OP) +>Russia + +not happening + +>China + +easy, provided it got within decently coastal range, between diesel-electric submarines and swarmed missile boats (we all know how the US Navy does against those) +--- 57913618 +>>57907481 (OP) +Not likely, but i commend the chinks for atleast dumping their money on something useful for once. Instead of all the decades wasted on trying to teach karate to their troops when a beginner mma Amerikang can body any karate/chink martial arts master with ease. +--- 57913783 +>>57913343 +You already posted your guns when you were doing another one of your falseflag routines, glowie screecher. It had the same magazine as one you used in your "ARMACHAD" picture, picture related is your gun. + +Source: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/57314557/#q57356987 +Post chain shows another attempt of your false flag. +--- 57913805 +>>57913783 +>>57913343 +And here is the stupid "ARMACHAD" picture for comparison. +--- 57913839 +>>57911981 +cranking up the contrast again, I see. +--- 57913905 +>>57913805 +And here is a collection of posts of glowie screecher having a little mental breakdown while posting the "ARMACHAD" picture with the original filename. +--- 57914005 +>>57913905 +After these posts he made two additional threads, both got deleted: +https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/50193306/#50193306 +>SEETHING MUTTS CAN'T COMPETE WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA AHAHAHAHAHA +>ARMARTARD IS BEHIND THE THREADS! POSTING THE PICTURES AHAHA GET FUCKED MUTTS JAMAL WILL FUCK YOUR MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS AND YOU WILL ALL BECOME MUTT RACE AHAHAAHA +https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/50194717/#50194717 +>Look I posted Russian plane call me armatard now or I'll be sad for the rest of the day +--- 57914049 +>>57914005 +Pardon, my mistake, he made the threads a few days before. +--- 57914192 +>>57913783 +>>57913805 +>>57913905 +>>57914005 +Topkek, this is the funniest shit i have seen for a week. Glowie screecher can't catch a break, though not saying he deserves one. + +>>57913905 +>IM FUCKING DONE WITH THE BOARD +>IM NEVER POSTING AGAIN +The dumb motherfucker should have done that instead of doubling down for over a year and a half. Kek +--- 57914366 +>>57914192 +Indeed, instead /k/ has given him schizophrenia and a certificate for being a pedophile. diff --git a/k/57907490.txt b/k/57907490.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6b2dc77a45c300ab7f5c89fb26e1b70dcefa8b8b --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907490.txt @@ -0,0 +1,310 @@ +----- +--- 57907490 +Is it a shit or a good? Is it worth the hassle to switch to 6.8×51mm? +--- 57907511 +>>57907490 (OP) +it's basically a .270 ar-10 so yeah it's based +--- 57907523 +>>57907490 (OP) +It's adequate, but the machine gun is really good. +--- 57907526 +>>57907511 +performance of .270 in a 24" barrel but from an 8" shorter barrel AR. +--- 57907544 +>>57907490 (OP) +Yes, you should go out and purchase a $3200 Spear right this instant. +--- 57907563 +>>57907544 +Is it just me or did anyone else expect it to cost a shit ton more? +--- 57907567 +>>57907544 +>>57907563 +It's $4200 not $3200. +--- 57907602 +>>57907490 (OP) +The increased terminal effect of 6.8 Furry becomes moot as soon as the enemy stops standing around waiting to be shot and takes cover behind a car, the corner of a building, or even a thick lamppost and you're back to providing suppressing fire until artillery or air support can kill him for you, just with a heavier gun and less ammo. +The XM7 (née XM5—God only knows how badly Sig fucked this one up that they needed to go up by two X numbers) is such an incremental step forward that it's effectively a step backwards; if the goal was to defeat peer body armor (which, it turns out, mostly doesn't exist) and increase individual soldier lethality beyond the effective point target range of the M4 with a more powerful round and computer-assisted aiming, they should've brought back the OICW's 25mm airburst grenades—range the target, feed that data to the fuze and the optic, aim, and boom, fuck the target's body armor, fuck his cover, and fuck anybody within 5m of him. We have the technology. +--- 57907621 +>>57907490 (OP) +It's not terrible, but it's pointless, unnecessary, and a huge waste of money. +It's basically (((SIG))) and the US Army just cooperated to pull a corruption scheme and transfer a shitload of tax payer money into their own pockets. +--- 57907629 +>>57907490 (OP) +All discussions about the XM7 will be flawed if its not included with the NGSW-FC. The biggest reason why 5.56 had to be abandoned is that beyond 400 meters, 5.56 becomes unacceptably unstable due to its weight. Battle rifles were designed (and made obsolete) because they were designed to be able to hit a target reliably at 800-900m, which humans are just not capable of doing. + +However with the introduction of the NGSW-FC, it becomes incredibly easy for the average crayon eat to pop heads at 900m, maybe even 1800, and with this new ability, 5.56 becomes inadequate. + +In a vacuum, the switch to the XM7 is weird, as its not a bad a rifle but a lot of effort for marginal gain, however when paired in the NGSW program, the XM7 + NGSW-FC will be able to curbstomp anything, and it will be the biggest increase in the lethality of the infantry since the invention of the Maxim machine. +--- 57907665 +>>57907629 +I get what you're saying but be prepared for retards who think )))((()()(())())(((, and throwing jew around like it's candy to "disprove" you. +--- 57907669 +>>57907629 +>unacceptably unstable +>weight +>400 meters +shut the fuck up dumbass, the actual reason you need a more ballistically efficient round to take the full advantage of a fire computer is that 5.56 simply loses effectiveness at long range. If you have a higher BC, heavy weight but high velocity bullet, the computer has to do less work, you can shoot farther and being a tiny bit off in between range updates doesn't matter so much +--- 57907720 +>>57907669 +>ballistically efficient round to take the full advantage of a fire computer is that 5.56 simply loses effectiveness at long range +Good point, and I should've said that, but weight is still a problem. 5.56 is far more susceptible to wind which allows for unpredictable deviations + +>shut the fuck up dumbass +:( +--- 57907766 +>>57907720 +:) +--- 57907787 +>>57907629 +The idea that this new optic will be able turn sub-90 IQ enlisted into 360 noscope expert marksman is hilarious, but it's also very sad that you and others like you genuinely believe it. +--- 57907823 +>>57907629 +A squad weapon in 6.8 SIG is way bigger deal because it can take advantage of the better ballistic out of the box even with standard, in-service optics. It's been a major deficiency of 5.56 SAW that had to face GPMGs like PKM at long range and using a bigger, more powerful round would definitely help with that. +--- 57907832 +>>57907602 +>if the goal was to defeat peer body armor +I'm holding out hope on this one. I know people in the armor and armor wearing business suspect their level 4 plates will not hold up to 6.8. Most are rated for a single round of steel core .30-06 at just under 2800fps. 6.8 hits 200fps faster out of a 16" with the commercially available ammo. I assume the GP military round will be hotter. + +Granted, whether China will actually field large numbers of level 4 plate remains to be seen. +--- 57907886 +>>57907665 +It's not because he's Jewish, but bringing up Cohen is a very valid argument due to his absolute raping of Kimber. +--- 57907943 +>>57907832 +Armor piercing ammunition is the standard, which is far more effective at 6.8 than 5.56. The 308 and 7.62 NATO are very similar as well and are loaded with black tips, API, SLAP, and other heavy duty armor piercing bullets. Tungsten cores are denser with a greater hardness for piercing armor as well as producing lots of hear. Sabot rounds just reduce the area of impact and the bullet pierces the armor in a smaller area, reaching the body inside. SLAP rounds are superior I'd say, stealthier as well. Just metal and plastic. +--- 57907955 +>>57907943 +producing lots of heat* +--- 57908033 +>>57907943 +>Armor piercing ammunition is the standard +I'm only talking NIJ level 4, which is not spec'ed for tungsten, just surplus .30-06 AP, which is steel core. I'm sure there are special threat versions of level 4 that are rated for m993/5, but I'm not familiar with them. +--- 57908057 +>>57907886 +Didn't he leave before they went to shit? +--- 57908114 +>>57907943 +These were the 308 SLAP rounds used in Desert Storm. There are also tungsten rounds that heat up and melt through armor. The SLAP has a plastic casing that allows a larger cartridge to fire a smaller bullet with more energy and pierce armor more effectively. +--- 57908174 +>>57907490 (OP) +Give it a 16in barrel and I think it'd make a marvelous marksman rifle. The Spear-LT would make a better infantry rifle. I think switching to Sig was relatively smart as it allows the Army and the DoD as a whole to procure all their small arms from a single manufacturer based here in the United States. This will aid logistics and costs significantly. The biggest hurdle to leap over is getting Sig's quality control and engineering back up to snuff. I really want Sig to succeed as a company, but the P320 is an inherently flawed design and the P365 seems to have issues with it's finish (as do most of their pistols it seems). I think this has less to do with deliberate and malicious corner cutting and more to do with over expansion and product fatigue, rushing to meet contract demands and introducing the latest product to consoom to keep sales flowing. I like Sig's new stuff, I just think Cohen needs to be taken out back and shot. +--- 57908192 +>>57908057 +Right after. +--- 57908499 +>>57907490 (OP) +what units are even issued that? +--- 57909105 +>>57908499 +Whatever units usually get stuck doing field trials of whatever Futureweapons bullshit the Army thinks it's going to replace the M4 with, probably +--- 57909116 +>>57908499 +Frontline troops +--- 57909178 +>>57907832 +Level IV is rated for M2 AP at 2880 +/- 20 FPS or so (so the plate must at least stop a round at 2900 FPS 100% of the time), and it’s 163 grains. The commercial hybrid loading only propels a 135 gr bullet at 3000 FPS out of a 16” barrel. + +That’s 100 FPS faster out of a barrel that’s 3” longer than the NGSW, with a bullet almost 30 gr lighter. + +Anything that stops M2 AP at 2900 FPS 100% of the time will almost certainly stop a slightly faster, considerably lighter bullet a lot more than 0% of the time. Adept has gone on record stating they believe their Colossus plate will beat the tungsten round too, and testing results would certainly suggest it will. +--- 57909265 +>>57908033 +>I'm sure there are special threat versions of level 4 that are rated for m993/5, but I'm not familiar with them. +XSAPI (993 and 995) and ESAPI (995) respectively, standard issue plates for the last 20 years. There is at least one commercially available plate that can stop M993 going 3400fps, so it should handle the 6.8x51 AP loading just fine. With the proper grades of materials, you should be able to get an m993-protective plate at roughly 6lbs standalone, less if backer materials continue to improve. That said the 6.8 AP loading should destroy non-tungsten-specialized plates at least as well as standard-velocity M993 within 200m or so, but the same could be said of 7.62x51 with good loads like M1185 ADVAP or HAPI, with the benefit of tons of systems already using that cartridge. +--- 57909341 +>>57909178 +NGSW is like 15.3" if you include suppressor length which is SIMILAR to barrel length when it comes to final velocity, but not entirely 1:1. +--- 57909524 +>>57909341 +Suppressors usually only add a little bit of FPS. The 135 gr hybrid case loading that was 3000 FPS out of a 16” barrel was clocked at ~2830 FPS out of a 13” barrel with suppressor. +--- 57909548 +>>57907490 (OP) +>army spends 20 years fighting the terror wars in the desert with black rifles +>army finally announces tan colored rifles as the terror wars end +>now all the wars for the next 20 years are gonna be in tundras +Bit frustrating innit +--- 57909549 +>>57907629 +This is the guy who, back in the day, would have uncritically accepted Springfield's sales pitch that the M14 would revolutionize American small arms by replacing the Garand, BAR, and Grease Gun while also saving money by utilizing existing M1 tooling. +--- 57909573 +>>57909548 +The next 20 years' worth or wars would need to be fought in a panther's asshole at the bottom of a coal mine at midnight for a black rifle to be a better call than a dirt-colred one. +--- 57909581 +>>57907490 (OP) +failed the mud test. No, it's not good +--- 57909701 +What's the latest news on this thing anyway? I've heard people aren't exactly thrilled with 7.62 civilian version that just came out. Supposedly really sloppy and mediocre for a $5000 rifle. +--- 57909704 +>>57909524 +>was clocked at ~2830 FPS out of a 13” barrel with suppressor. +Source? +--- 57909733 +>>57909701 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fthACHN3toU [Embed] + +SIG apparently is saying there is a break in period of a few hundred rounds, but there aren't too many real reviews out there besides a few fuds online posting about their new $4000+ toy that they either regret buying or have to justify. So most of the reviews i'd take with a grain of salt until they get out into more people's hands and people have had the time to put a few thousands rounds through them. +--- 57909745 +>>57909265 +>able to get an m993-protective plate at roughly 6lbs standalone +Whew, so 12lbs, just for front+back, not counting any other soldier load? I think I get why they wanted this ammo then. +--- 57909750 +>>57909733 +I wood buy one but it doesn't come with an aluminum BCG, rifle gas length, and an A5 system +--- 57909828 +>>57909704 +Garand Thumb video, they chronograph it. Lot of other questionable comments in the video but chrono readings are pretty objective. +--- 57909863 +>>57909745 +The extant standard issue ESAPIs (not speaking of the new VTP variant) are already 5.5 lb + backer. A standalone 6 lb plate would be a weight improvement when comparing its standalone configuration to an ICW ESAPI (which the ESAPI must be used in to gain its full rated protection). +--- 57909896 +>>57909178 +The commercial loadings of 277 Fury are far weaker than the full fat loading with steel cartridge base. I don't think that's available yet. + +By all accounts I've seen the brass cartridge loadings are expected to perform similar to existing 308. +--- 57909929 +>>57909863 +You're talking US issue. They've already accepted doing IMT hokey pokey fast enough that they'll have no knees after the age of 35. But what about PFC. Chang of the PLA. Has he? Can he? + +Also, apropos of nothing, are the ESAPI plates plus backers bouyancy nuetral? +--- 57909957 +>>57909929 +Are you suggesting that China has less disregard for the long-term well-being of their soldiers than we do? +--- 57909973 +>>57909957 +No, I'm saying given their dietary and training budget, it may not matter. +--- 57910064 +>>57909896 +He was chronographing the hybrid round with the steel base. Doing just about all the film reel shooting with the downloaded brass case, yes, but not the chronographing. + +>>57909929 +>has he +Probably not because China lol. I doubt the PLA has escaped all of the systemic faults shown in Russia’s military. But then again M80A1 would defeat level III. + +>can he +Theoretically China has the raw materials to pump out lots of Level IV+ plates. Almost all the boron carbide and silicon carbide powder in the world, I’m told, is sourced out of China. These are the 2 primary ceramics used to make the strikefaces of armor plates. + +They don’t seem to have technical limitations preventing them from making decent UHMWPE either. + +>buoyancy +Very much doubt it. I don’t think a 6.5 lb Level IV ceramic plate would be buoyant and that is basically what the ESAPI ICW is, perhaps with a bit greater ratio of backing material vs ceramic strikeface but not enough to change things that drastically I imagine. +--- 57910093 +>>57909548 +>>57909573 +Like is there value in having guns be super contrasted to the environment? Like seeing how a lot of the Ukrainian trench warfare goes where they just have loaded guns propped around and ready to fire, I guess having a fucking pitch black rifle could be a benefit? +--- 57910119 +>>57907787 +I managed to coach a regular rifle company into dinging E-types almost 100% of the time at 600m with M4s and ACOGs, so I do not see it as much of a stretch. +--- 57910160 +>>57907629 +Note, this only applies on days where there is zero (0) windage, read as never. +--- 57910701 +>>57910160 +What makes you think the scope can't compensate for wind? +--- 57910724 +>>57910701 +Because wind is a dynamic force that can change based on location, so as the bullet travels, the wind effects upon it change. + +The scope could at BEST use the windage at the shooters location as a rough estimate of windage, but it wouldn't somehow know the wind 500 meters downrange where your target is, or the wind in the space between the two. +--- 57910753 +>>57909745 +Consider that the current-issue ESAPI is 5.5lbs and needs a roughly 1lb backer, while only stopping M995 and 30-06 steel-core AP. 6lbs standalone for M993 is a drastic improvement. Its achievable today for about the same or less cost than the ESAPI thanks to using cheaper silicon carbide. +Swapping to UHMWPE for frag armor would net you another 3-4lbs weight for an IOTV, so all-up you are looking at a weight savings of about 5lbs just using modern materials without much of a per-unit cost increase. +Save the weight kvetching for retarded stuff like swapping to a heavier 6.8 rifle and the like, armor is on a downwards weight trajectory across all threat levels. +--- 57910829 +>>57907490 (OP) +If you like the prices and load availability of 4.6mm, you're gonna feel right at home at 6.8 +--- 57910941 +>>57907490 (OP) +Does it still have an Xbox Huge handguard? +--- 57910953 +>>57910829 +6.8mm at least will get a lake city production line in the next few years, something 4.6mm will never have. +--- 57911131 +>>57910724 +Correct. + +(Caveat: Unless you stacked an absolutely meme-worthy Doppler LIDAR unit half the size of a man’s head on top of the rifle, as if the existing rangefinder box weren’t big enough. Doubt that will happen.) +--- 57911799 +>>57911131 +I mean, as long as you're burdening the grunts 4 extra lbs of gun and ammo (despite that representing 33% less ammo than they had before) why not go full retard and issue a squad doppler lidar that interfaces with everybody's aimbot scopes, too? +--- 57911850 +>>57907490 (OP) +>no buis +--- 57911858 +anything with an x in it is shit, this is a rule +--- 57911883 +>>57911858 +Anon once it enters service with active duty units it will become the M7. That's how the naming scheme works. + +Same with the new LMG the XM250 becomes the M250. +--- 57911942 +>>57911883 +Bold assumption that they aren't going to bump it up to the XM9 or higher by the time they get all the bugs worked out. +--- 57911951 +>>57911942 +It was only changed from XM5 to XM7 because Colt already has an M5 rifle, so to avoid any potential issues they preemptively changed it to XM7 so it'll be the M7 and not conflict with any of Colt's shit. +--- 57911960 +>>57911858 +>>57911942 +This is either poor bait or you're actually retarded, I can't really tell which. Either way, not engaging enough +--- 57911962 +>>57911883 +>m7 +>m250 + +I don't see any x's +--- 57911993 +>>57910941 +Yeah, that's what the X stands for. +--- 57912190 +>>57907629 +>he biggest reason why 5.56 had to be abandoned is that beyond 400 meters, 5.56 becomes unacceptably unstable due to its weight +No it doesn't. Projectiles lose stability when they drop from supersonic to subsonic. That's over 600m from M4s with M193. Better bullets and that range increase. +>it becomes incredibly easy for the average crayon eat to pop heads at 900m, maybe even 1800, +Oh. Never mind. It's retarded, carry on. + +Post guns +--- 57912269 +>>57911799 +I suppose you could try, but it’d only calculate the wind profile precisely along a very limited area. + +Perhaps you could make it super retardedly huge and make it shoot out laser pulses in a 180 deg half-circle and that would probably work pretty well as long as the windage man was looking in the same general direction as everyone else, and obstacles like trees and buildings didn’t get in the way too much. I can’t even imagine how bulky and awkward that would be. +--- 57912549 +>>57910119 +Hitting a target of a known size and a known range, from a supported position on a range is far different than trying that in the field. If you moved those targets 50m forward or back and didn't tell them do they get hits? If it was a windy day do they get hits? + +I'm not going to pretend a 600m shot is easy regardless, but field conditions make it drastically harder. +--- 57912560 +>>57910701 +How does the scope get a wind reading? How does the scope get a wind reading at the target? +--- 57912565 +>>57907490 (OP) +Every single person who's gotten a chance to try this, says they're really good in semi-auto fire. They're completely uncontrollable in full auto tho unless you plan on using them at a target standing 5 feet away or you have John Cena-tier physique. Women need no apply. +--- 57913972 +>>57912565 +Yeah, that's what people have always said about battle rifles. +--- 57914664 +>>57912269 +>I can’t even imagine how bulky and awkward that would be. +that's a problem for the Squad Designated Meteorologist's knees and spine to deal with +--- 57914889 +>>57912549 +People who shoot exclusively on a K/D range and then talk about how easy it is to shoot long range are insufferable. Having them shoot at something like 563 yards instead of 600 and watching them try to figure out how to interpolate their dope to match is comedy. +--- 57914967 +>>57907567 +>7.62x51mm +Defeats the whole purpose of the rifle. It’s just a shittier and heavier AR-10 at that point +>>57907629 +First, the optic is not integral to the rifle and also can be used with other calibers you fucking retard. The XM157’s merits do not make the XM7 a good rifle, because it’s not the fucking rifle. Second, you are vastly overestimating the effective range of 6.8mm and underestimating that of 5.56. +--- 57914975 +>>57914967 +>It’s just a shittier and heavier AR-10 at that point +You're gonna get a shitstorm by retards for even uttering this. +--- 57914998 +>>57912549 +And the point of the FCS is it has a laser rangefinder so it can do that job for the mouthbreather. A team lead can also do that job and sync the estimated range of the target (or the area / building the target is in) with the rest of the team. If your mouthbreathers are unable to press a single button to let the ballistic computer do its work, you have much bigger problems. + +Of course, all that is assuming it works and is rugged enough to survive outside of a lab environment. I have much less confidence in American equipment being anything more than pure bullshitting in the past year or so. +--- 57915229 +>>57907602 +That's the Chinese solution to the problem. The new rifle they have is a single shot airburst 20mm diff --git a/k/57907603.txt b/k/57907603.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4ce76a47dee71633eac8ebf5ac10a7a16bbd98af --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907603.txt @@ -0,0 +1,170 @@ +----- +--- 57907603 +Thoughts on the viability of 22LR as a self defense round? +--- 57907661 +>>57907603 (OP) +Better than nothing. Worse than just about everything else. +--- 57907676 +>>57907661 +Better than 32 acp +--- 57907679 +Penetration wise it does okay. I dont like rimfire reliability and 22lr can have cycling problems. +--- 57907683 +>>57907676 +How in any way besides price? +--- 57907706 +>>57907603 (OP) +It’s great, if you’re defending yourself against squirrels or rabbits. Really though, I don’t know why anyone would want to carry anything smaller than a .380 considering how small and comfortable something like a LCP is. I don’t think the .22 LCP is much smaller than the .380, if any. +--- 57907824 +>>57907676 +lmao +--- 57907960 +I think the majority of home self defense cases end in the perp running away after you spook them brandishing any firearm, or they'll try to intimidate you then turn around running after you fire a shot at or near them. 22lr should work in these cases, but if you got some crackhead high off their god damn mind like in those webms taking 10 9mm shots to the chest and still going off adrenaline then you're probably SOL. +--- 57908792 +>>57907603 (OP) +So this is going to be like the Federal Punch but for slightly longer barrels to take advantage of expansion? Not sure how they're going to get adequate penetration since Stingers would underpenetrate after expanding. +--- 57908881 +.22lr performs better than people often expect it to +but the cartridge itself is horrible for self defense due to rimfire- and QC-caused reliability issues. I would never trust a .22lr firearm for self defense purely because there's an unacceptably high chance it won't actually fire. +--- 57908927 +>>57907603 (OP) +It's quiet, cheap, and plentiful + +And lethal I use it for Racoons and they usually bleed out pretty fast. I did have a 22 short bounce off a racoons skull one time and hit my garages drywall!!! + +What would be a good SHTF .22???? + +a 10/22? go full IDF? I already have a Ruger .22 pistol +--- 57908957 +.22 pron + +>minimag plastic case broke :( +--- 57909044 +>>57908902 +Based, the Ratshot Regulator we all should strive to be. + +>>57908881 +>>57908927 +A 22 lever action is the perfect gun for muh zombie apocalypse. You can easily carry 1,000 rounds on you and if there's a dud round you just cycle to the next one. +--- 57909045 +>>57907603 (OP) +Aim for the face/head, never stop pulling the trigger until you have to reload. +--- 57909075 +>>57907603 (OP) +>guaranteed replies: the thread +--- 57909118 +>>57909044 +The biggest downside is not having a side loading gate. +Having to pull out the tube spring and hand drop bullets into the thing while zombies are shambling your way would be problematic. +Sure, you can carry one of those large multi tube reloaders but then youre a walking maraca for the zombies to follow. +--- 57909165 +>>57909044 +>A 22 lever action +that sounds fun af and would go along with my cowboy action .22 revolver +>Based, the Ratshot Regulator +i know my sides are in orbit I don't know even +--- 57909192 +>>57909045 +see +>>57908927 +>I did have a 22 short bounce off a racoons skull +IDK that made me doubt alot. It was a short load but... +--- 57909223 +>>57907603 (OP) +Too weak to be viable. +--- 57910016 +shit is a scam to sell .22LR that costs as much as 9mm +--- 57910037 +>>57907603 (OP) +A full auto high capacity 22 in handgun format would probably be serviceable +--- 57911081 +>>57910037 +I'd carry a full auto P17 as a backup gun hell yeah +--- 57911393 +>>57907603 (OP) +For self-defense and home-defense, it's serviceable. +>>57907960 +>>57909045 +This. Chances are if you're considering 22LR, you're probably somewhere rural and shouldn't have to worry about PCP zombies charging you. Ask yourself if you'd be comfortable against someone capable of shooting back though in a higher caliber though. +>>57909223 +He's not planning to go into an active warzone or go to the OK Coral. +--- 57911529 +good enough +not my first choice though +makes sense for small revolvers or semi-auto rifles with 0 recoil for older or weak people (women) +--- 57911608 +>>57907603 (OP) +it will put holes where you need them, provided theres not too much in its way. you also need to keep in mind that any rimfire round has a relatively high chance of not functioning right. + +if someone made what amounts to a P17 with 3+ strike points on the rim of the cartridge, it would be a serviceable weapon for people too feeble to handle a .380 (very small women, handicapped, injured, chronically ill). just remember that most people can handle a modern 9mm, and with guns like the shield EZ there are few people who are really challenged with a 9mm. even the most estrogenic vegan can handle a .380 from any era. .22lr would be a very niche solution +--- 57911682 +.22lr penetration is just barely adequate with no expansion, so don't fuck that up with hollowpoints. +Unreliable feeding and priming means that a double action revolver is much better for defense than any other .22. +--- 57911840 +>>57911682 +Lucky Gunner really needs to revisit their defensive ammo tests for .22LR. Now there's Federal Punch, Winchester Silvertips, and soon the CCI Uppercut. +--- 57911927 +>>57907603 (OP) +Personally, I prefer .357 magnum. +--- 57912771 +>>57907603 (OP) + I’ve known people that worked as bouncers in The French Quarter back in the 1960s and 70s that carried Berretta .22s on the job. + + Realize the limitations of the gun. This is truly a “bad breath range” cartridge/gun choice. Forget sights. Looking for sights or lasers are a joke at that range. + + Two modes of habitual use for a stinger of this size. + + First is a shot into the groin. Basically this uses the .22 as a kick( or two, or more), to the balls. This is going to end any fight if your rounds hit the testicles. + + Generally this is followed by hustling the bunny out into the alley and into a car for a trip over the bridge and into the bayous of Jefferson Parish beyond Gretna. + What happened there, I leave to your imagination. + + The second mode was to shoot the bunny through the eye sockets. A pair of .22 LRs blowing out the eyeballs will likely penetrate up into the skull…and at the least effectively lobotomize the bunny. + + Even if it doesn’t, destroying the headlights will leave the bunny blind, and his offensive capability against you,(or anyone else), extremely compromised. + + This also will usually end with a trip to the bayou. + + Lastly, my only “for sure” advice in this regard is that if you’re in NOLA and drinking at the establishments in the French Quarter, keep your fucking hands off the women working the establishment. + + If you DO make that mistake and get called on it by the bouncer(s), get REAL polite REAL quickly and DO NOT threaten or use violence, + + There’s still plenty of bayous around NOLA, and they’re still full of hungry gators. +--- 57912821 +>>57907603 (OP) +Works fine, just have to shoot them more. Can have feeding problems and therefore 9mm is preferred. +--- 57912828 +>>57907706 +A lot of professional shooters prefer 22 due to the low report. +--- 57912843 +>>57907676 +How? I know you're wrong, but I'd like to hear your retarded thoughts. +--- 57912925 +>>57908927 + +You have to be under 65 to post here. +--- 57913020 +I have, surprisingly, killed a fox, directly in front of me, with one shot from the hip, with a 22lr. +It was nuts +--- 57913327 +Training and shot placement. I think having a 22lr prepares you for ff/fs issues and you learn how to clear them allot faster than someone with a 9mm who experiences his first failure. Keep the gun clean and you eliminate allot of the issues. 22LR has killed PLENTY. +--- 57913745 +>>57913327 +>22LR has killed PLENTY +sam giancana who was set to testify about the agency confirms +--- 57913772 +>>57909044 +Plus the .22 bounces around inside their skull and blends it up! +--- 57913825 +>>57907603 (OP) +It's bad. Especially against people that have built up 22lr immunity by shooting themselves with it repeatedly. +--- 57914011 +>>57910037 +Full auto isn’t necessary with a quality trigger with a light pull and short reset. +--- 57914208 +>>57913825 +this +.22 just bounce off me, my dick has more penetration +--- 57914249 +>>57907960 +Then shoot them in the fucking head not the chest. This debate has always been and will always be fucking stupid. diff --git a/k/57907609.txt b/k/57907609.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ffd6eefcada502ccd941e47ecfd8a2d5f37cfed0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907609.txt @@ -0,0 +1,162 @@ +----- +--- 57907609 +Uh, what are you supposed to do in this situation? +--- 57907624 +>>57907609 (OP) +Bleed out and die is the standard reaction in this Situation. +--- 57907625 +>>57907609 (OP) +die +--- 57907641 +>>57907609 (OP) +i think the intention is for you to die +--- 57907645 +>>57907609 (OP) +Die. You can try to hit the deck or dive into the nearest ditch, but odds are you're going to get buttfucked by frag and bleed out either way. +--- 57907650 +>>57907609 (OP) +>that slow ass reaction time + +Guy would be the first to die in a horror movie +--- 57907651 +>>57907609 (OP) + +Always be aware of the nearest, lowest piece of terrain you can dive into. Upon first impact, dive into it. +--- 57907667 +>>57907609 (OP) +Run for cover the second things start popping off. +Still probably getting nailed by fragmentation, but the sooner you try to get out of the open the better. +--- 57907689 +>>57907609 (OP) +>yes, I will take a stroll out in the open near the front line instead of bounding from cover to cover + +what was he thinking? +--- 57907705 +>>57907689 +>russian +>thinking +Pick one. +--- 57907729 +i bet 90% of us would completely freeze in that scenario unless we had some real battle experience already +--- 57907747 +>>57907729 +100% of people would die not freeze. You are likely deaf from artillery, and humans naturally don't look up. +--- 57907769 +>>57907609 (OP) +You're supposed to stay home instead of going to war as a mercenary. +--- 57907782 +That guy took a hit from the 1st impact, his reaction was pain +--- 57907789 +What actually is it - automatic 40mm? +--- 57907790 +Immediately throw yourself prone, then try to crawl to a ditch. +--- 57907793 +>0:04 +take a knee and hope that will stop russophobic fragments, duh +--- 57907829 +he's hit by shrnapel by the first explosions isnt he? he does a weird thing were he keeps walking to the explosions while slowly crouching +--- 57907833 +>>57907789 +That or more likely 30mm. Not sure, maybe some anon can tell by the explosions. +--- 57907924 +>>57907729 +90% of us have had combat experience train fucking your mom. We lost a lot of good men in those tunnels and seen horrors you wouldn't have imagined. +--- 57908179 +>>57907609 (OP) +He's a space marine. +He'll shrug it off +--- 57908212 +>>57907689 +He is probably completely untrained and without any direction. +--- 57908237 +>>57907609 (OP) +They taught me to drop to the ground, face down and cover your head with your hands. +--- 57908252 +>>57907609 (OP) + +Hope your team still has respawn tickets. +--- 57908304 +>>57907609 (OP) +--- 57908372 +>>57907924 +>We lost a lot of good men in those tunnels and seen horrors you wouldn't have imagined. + +I had to fill out a Report of Survey for the damn M88 they lost. Never sign out vehicles for other people. They could at least have used the clit ring for a winch-out anchor like everyone else. +--- 57908403 +>>57907609 (OP) +Hear the first explosive, run two or three steps and dive into or behind the small white concrete building. If you're still alive prone crawl into better cover. +--- 57908450 +>>57907609 (OP) +--- 57908658 +>>57907609 (OP) +Not be out in the fucking open to begin with. +--- 57908698 +apply for a medal +--- 57908966 +>>57907650 +I think he was just reacting to the multiple shrapnels hitting his body and trying to turn and run, but the body failed him. +Then he falls and a grenade blows up right next to him. +He was already dead when the first bloom of smoke popped, he just didn't know it yet. +Then the rest happened and I think that's when his body caught on to what was on the agenda for today. +--- 57908999 +>>57907609 (OP) +Not be in it in the first place, he was dead before that first round hit +--- 57909879 +Looks like the shrapnel only gets him on the 5th one, a measly AGL wouldn't have gotten him if he instantly ran for cover +--- 57909981 +>>57907833 +Its NERF... or nothing! +--- 57910004 +The standard procedure, conscript, is to drop down and roll around a bit before the internal bleeding causes you to lose consciousness forever. +--- 57910051 +>>57909879 +you have no idea how lethal the frag bands on these things are dummy, it's plastering 360 degrees around those pops with little bits of metal going 1000 fps + +never wondered why you see a bunch of guys fall down after one little *pop* from a SINGLE drone deployed VOG??? it's because multiple pieces of hot metal just flew into their bodies, all over the place, possibly not even easy to identify where you're bleeding from + +it's fuckin awful +--- 57910114 +>>57907833 +Probably 30mm being used indirectly. +I don't know if it's really possible to differentiate 30mm and 40mm, they have almost the exact same fill weight and the exact same casualty range. +>>57910051 +Thanks to Hollywood, people really underestimate the fragmenting effects of projectiles and grenades. It's rarely the blast that kills. +--- 57910154 +He just gave up +He knew that it was pointless to take cover when the first one hit. +One second he was walking in Ukraine, the next one he was walking in Hell along Stalin and Jews. +--- 57910682 +>>57907769 +As long as you feel the same way anytime you see a Marine getting gongshowed by an IED +--- 57910722 +>>57907609 (OP) +Damn he actually genuflected +--- 57910768 +>>57907609 (OP) +>>57907624 +>>57907650 +>>57908966 +>trying to turn and run, but the body failed him. +30m ish effective blast sounds about right. +--- 57910827 +>>57907782 +>>57907829 +Definitely hit by the first one, then the second one did him in. +--- 57910897 +>>57907609 (OP) +Be relieved that you will no longer be cold, tired, and wet. Because you will be dead. +--- 57910900 +>>57909879 +dumbass see gifrel, first one lit him the fuck up +>>57910051 +People really underestimating frag even after all these drop videos blow my fucking mind. +--- 57910947 +>>57907833 +Did fucking HR Giger design the belt? +--- 57911409 +>>57907650 +>thinking he didn't react +He got hit immediately by shrapnel. He tried to run but was injured. So badly was he injured that he couldn't even move more than a few steps. +--- 57914400 +>>57907747 +That's from mortars not artillery diff --git a/k/57907623.txt b/k/57907623.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7057b30956908f014a40894cb130603f9b98ac63 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907623.txt @@ -0,0 +1,419 @@ +----- +--- 57907623 +Like most of you, I have also been following the war in Ukraine closely since it began and after seeing all of this footage and tactics, I find it weird that this war is as conventional as it gets. Why are the tactics of this war closer to trench warfare than modern guerilla warfare? + +Is this just how Europeans fight? I know the terrain in this area is flat with low coverage but still I find it odd that they have essentially fallen into a stalemate fighting over a no man’s land. Is the lack of terrain that significant where it turns guerillas into trench fodder whereas other comparable wars like Vietnam and Afghanistan were far more lucid and not static in anyway where wild hit and run/sabotage were the supreme tactics used by the besieged? +--- 57907668 +Neither side has air superiority, and both sides lack armored vehicles in sufficient quantities to achieve a breakthrough, though Ukraine is working on it with western support. +--- 57907675 +>>57907623 (OP) +The Ukrainians are not fighting a guerrilla war anon +The reason this war looks so conventional is because the russianshave failed to defeat the conventional Ukrainian army are are thus being forced to fight a conventional war +--- 57907682 +You only get to see drone, artillery and infantry tactics on film. +Warfare is more than just those. +--- 57907690 +>>57907623 (OP) +>guerilla warfare +Is the losing man's game, it gives your opponent your population and forces you into extremely costly actions. +--- 57907739 +>>57907623 (OP) +At no point the russians have enjoyed being like US against a guerrila army, or even like the soviets vs. the afghans. Ukrainians were using atgm, manpads, sams, artillery, and tanks since day 1 against them. +It has always been a conventional war because russians are just a third rate army with a lot of old soviet junk, nothing more. +--- 57907748 +>>57907668 +I should have mentioned that yes I and everyone else does realize that this is not a full blown war that is pumping on all cylinders and is closer to a proxy war in its present state. But yes I agree with this statement. +>>57907675 +Read above. +Also, despite NATO backing the Ukrainians are still clearly outgunned in this and if the Russians really wanted to I think they would annihilate the standing Ukrainian army though I do think this is a good point regardless. Let me also say that I am totally unbiased and do not care about either side. +>>57907682 +Obviously but this this doesn’t negate from the fact that both sides are currently in a stalemate and both lack the support that they require to make effective gains. +--- 57907774 +>>57907623 (OP) +Ukraine has an army still, they're not guerillas and do control territory; Vietnam wasn't a guerilla conflict either, for some reason people forget that north vietnam's army was far more significant than the viet cong; guerilla warfare isn't fought by armies, it's violent resistance to occupation. Ukraine is not successfully occupied, therefor the war is conventional. You should finally have your profound retardation diagnosed, OP. +--- 57907776 +>>57907623 (OP) +>Why are the tactics of this war closer to trench warfare than modern guerilla warfare? +Because guerilla warfare is reserved for situations where you cannot stand against the enemy's forces whatsoever, if you CAN fight your enemy conventionally, you SHOULD fight your enemy conventionally. +As for why it's closer to trench warfare, this is due to the fact that the airspace on the front is still contested and heavily saturated with anti-air systems, while armor support is somewhat limited due to environmental/supply issues, meaning the best option is to dig a hole and fill sandbags while softening up enemy positions from a distance before storming them. +--- 57907810 +>>57907690 +This is a good point. The dynamic of the Russian and Ukrainian people being that they are the same people historically and genetically. This does play a big role as a guerilla war is far more personal than what is going on in Ukraine imo. I think the differences of people on either a cultural or genetic basis plays a big role as to how far they are willing to go to defend their homeland. +>>57907739 +Leave your bias out of this thread. You do have a fair point but clearly I think the Russian military isn’t using their best or finest in this. You’d be an idiot to not see this. This isn’t to downplay the efforts of the Ukrainians as they have clearly done pretty well in their defense. +--- 57907864 +>>57907774 +Not many wars are entirely guerilla conflicts. I think there are aspects of both guerilla and conventional tactics in most wars especially in the last 60 years due to the fact that any significant conflict has been an essential proxy war between larger states hence why full power levels not having been revealed for worry of further escalation such as nuclear. I simply find it interesting that the Ukrainians are fighting what is seemingly a more conventional war rather than using more guerilla tactics due to the fact that Russia clearly out muscles them and the ukrainians would’ve have lost if not for the intervention of NATO. I would go as far to claim that Ukraine isn’t even its own state anymore given the amount of control that NATO has over the country’s defenses. +--- 57907910 +Guerrilla warfare is not some magical trump card. It's the last resort of s significantly weaker force that has to stick to clandestine operations for the most part because they'll be crushed otherwise. Most guerilla campaigns fail despite many people believing the opposite. +The Ukrainians are not in a situation where fighting a guerilla war would make any sense at all. + +>>57907810 +>leave your bias out +He's right, retard. In order to fight a guerilla war you have to do so from behind enemy lines. That means you either get occupied in the first place or you have to stage some mass infiltration of enemy territory. The former is out of the question if you can repel the enemy during their occupation attempts and the latter actually succeeding is very rare. +--- 57907993 +>>57907623 (OP) +Because drones with thermal cameras and flat terrain +--- 57907998 +>>57907810 +>I think the Russian military isn’t using their best or finest in this. +Those were destroyed at the start of the war and are not coming back. From the 331st VDV, to the 4th Guards tank division, they were destroyed as effective fighting forces during March and only exist today on paper or as scattered lone units repenished with mobiks or third rate gear (so not "elite" anymore at all) +There's no russian reserves or secret units waiting to be deployed. They're forced to field fucking T54/55s with Iranian ammo because they're out of options. +--- 57907999 +>>57907910 +Tactics aren’t so black and white retard. Different tactics are used for different situations. The siege of bahkmut has been a guerillas paradise as they have been encircled for months but the Russians have still failed to take it. But given the large swaths of open land it is obvious that more conventional static warfare will take place as there is a lack of objectives to take in the middle of nowhere hence trenches being dug. Guerilla warfare isn’t solely reserved for a significantly overpowered force and isn’t some last resort trump card though it can be used as such +--- 57908049 +>>57907999 +The entire country is made up of flat plains and just about everything in Bahkmut near the front has been shelled into rubble. It's not a "guerrilla's paradise" because maintaining hidden spiderholes or whatever along the frontline is not guerrilla warfare. +You are a moron. +--- 57908070 +>>57907999 +the siege of bakhmut isn't a guerilla battle dumbass it's artillery, armor and boots just like the rest of this thoroughly conventional war. +--- 57908162 +all those retards that don't realize that even for a big army gorilla warfare is much superior over human waves +--- 57908263 +>>57907748 +>this is not a full blown war that is pumping on all cylinders +Is this satire? Are you well? +>>57907810 +>the Russian military isn't using their best and finest for this +Oh, I see, you're just retarded. The 1st Guards Tank Army isn't their best and finest? Who do you expect to believe this shit. +--- 57908287 +>>57907668 +>though Ukraine is working on it with western support +Even if every single promised tank appeared right now, fully working, with massive supplies of ammo and spare parts and trained crew... it wouldn't be enough to do what people on /k/ thinks is going to happen. They need x10 as many promised and x10 as many IFVs. +--- 57908289 +>gorrila warfare gives a big advantage to a smaller force +retards think this should only be used as a last resort +--- 57908299 +>>57908049 +>>57908070 +How do you fail to understand that parts of a conflict can be conventional or lucid in nature or even both at the same time. There are urban guerilla warfare being used in bahkmut retards. they are literally sabotaging russian supply lines and bombing vehicle movements. it’s more similar to stalingrad or beirut than anything else comparable. The question being asked is why isn’t there more guerilla tactics being used but the answer has already been found +>terrain +>forces being more equal then they should be due to Russian weakness in one side and NATO support on the other +>overall slavic retardation hence trench warfare and use of human wave attacks. +It took foreign volunteers to teach the Ukrainians how to use ambush attacks on advancing Russian columns +--- 57908344 +>>57908263 +Fuck off shill. Say 10 “Slava ukraini” and kill yourself +>>57908289 +This. +They assume that slavs are smart enough to use the tactic when in truth they don’t know and must be human wave sacrifice to jewlenskyy or poooptin +--- 57908359 +>>57908344 +>le both sides shill +you're not fooling anyone +--- 57908364 +>>57907623 (OP) +>Why are the tactics of this war closer to trench warfare than modern guerilla warfare? +But they are using modern guerilla warfare. It's now drones, HIMARS, GPS artillery, Javelins. +--- 57908384 +>>57908344 +Why are they sending in T-62s and T-55s if better options are available? Why do they need to draft 300,000 more soldiers if they have some huge reserve somewhere? I'm not a shill, your assertions just fall apart as soon as anyone with a brain thinks about them for longer than 2 seconds. +--- 57908423 +>>57908287 +I'm glad that /k/ is finally ready to admit that the US's belief in "manuever warfare", masssing of units at weakpoints, armor breakouts, all that TEMPO TEMPO TEMPOT shit was pure hype and you cannot achieve success in a near peer conflict without numerical superiority. +--- 57908451 +>>57908423 +/k/ isn't one guy you retard +--- 57908657 +>>57908384 +>they are at war so they must have used their best everything!!!!1111 +No you’re just a retard not thinking about other possibilities or even the fact that literally all of the media surrounding this are biased for something. My point is is that the truth is is that you don’t know shit about what’s actually going on. nor does anyone else despite how many articles they read or videos they see. All we can do is speculate on it with the realization that we don’t actually know anything about what’s going on. +>inb4 buuttt I DO +no, no you don’t. +--- 57908699 +>>57907623 (OP) +yes, europeans go to war with one goal in mind, killing every soldier in the other trench +--- 57908764 +>>57908423 +Nice cope there Ivan. +--- 57908794 +>>57908423 +What are you even talking about? +--- 57908802 +>>57908657 +You didn't answer the question. +If Russia has better, why are they pushing T-55s into service? Do they want to kill their own tankers more efficiently? +--- 57908849 +>>57907810 +>the Russian military isn't using their best or finest in this +... +>1st tank guards : BTFO +>Rosgvardia : BTFO +>SOBR : BTFO +>200th separate motor rifle brigade : BTFO +>VDV : BTFO +--- 57908859 +>>57908802 +Because it’s a fucking proxy war you absolute retard. If you think this is a real war and not something that has resembled anything of the last century that involved a superpower (ie korea, vietnam, Middle East conflicts like afghanistan, syria, iraq etc) then you are a fucking retard. I wouldn’t doubt Russia not using their most advanced tech in a war against nato that might proliferate into something greater. Or they are retarded and have used it. You don’t know is my point. This is a proxy war and nothing more do don’t treat it like an actual conflict just because people are getting killed. This is goyslop for your kind who are gullible enough to be convinced to care about this to the extent that you do. +--- 57908874 +>>57907623 (OP) +>Russians can't penetrate US backed Ukraine +>US won't allow Ukraine to penetrate Russia because muh nooks +--- 57908879 +>>57908859 +>it’s a fucking proxy war ++15 rubles +--- 57908918 +>>57908423 +The Iraqis had 5500 tanks while the US had 1800, what do you mean +--- 57908946 +>>57908859 +>goyslop +Ah there it is +--- 57908950 +>>57908859 +It's not much of a proxy war considering how relatively little military support Ukraine is getting. A hundred old tanks and a hundred old artillery pieces plus 1% of the number of shells Russia has isn't anything near what the Vietnamese or Koreans got. This is more like the west pawning off some minimal equipment because it is all that is needed to stop or severely hinder Russia +--- 57908952 +>>57908879 +Kek you have brain rot if you got “poooptin lover” from what I said. Idk why I expect anything more from someone who actually cares about this “war” +--- 57908981 +So what's the shill angle here by OP? Or is he just a retarded sperg? +--- 57909001 +>>57908946 +>>goyslop +>there it is +>t. +Hello rabbi, kys +>>57908950 +>the west pawning off old military gear +I agree but who’s to say that the Russians aren’t doing the same. I could see it both ways that the Russians may have better equipment in reserves or they don’t and they’re retarded. Who knows? Either way this isn’t a total war full scale scale military conflict like what’s being presented +--- 57909013 +>>57908657 +You're absolutely right, it's some sort of 5D chess on Russia's part that they're fielding 70 year old tanks when they could absolutely, positively be using better stuff. Let me guess, they need to keep their T-14s in reserve to invade Poland?? +You don't need to be privy to the highest levels of Intel to realize that something is seriously wrong when tanks built 70 years ago are coming out of storage, and they've had to draft three times as many new soldiers as they initially started with just to not lose anymore territory. +--- 57909039 +>>57908859 +The point is we DO know, there's dozens and dozens of pictures of Russia's best, most advanced tanks and equipment laying abandoned, captured, or destroyed on the battlefield. They're not being held in reserve, they've already been destroyed. +--- 57909059 +Tactical advantage of sabotaging your own war effort by intentionally bringing out older and older equipment while keeping all the totally existing good shit hidden that would win you the ear immediately? +--- 57909062 +>>57908859 +>Proxy War +For NATO, maybe, but not for Russia. +--- 57909083 +>>57909062 +It's actually a proxy war for Ukraine since Russland is fighting only HATO troops (of the polish african variety). +--- 57909089 +>>57909001 +>who is to say +The Russians. You can't be retarded enough to not see them boasting about their T-90A/Ms and once they get their main units that use them destroyed (Bar Wagner and the 237th) their use of T-62MVs and not be able to accept that they've suffered through equipment degradation. +They have sent their newest shit, and they've now resorted to sending old shit. Fuck, most of their T-80 fleet was destroyed tanks that even in the BV variant were superior to T-72BAs. +--- 57909107 +>>57907623 (OP) +>Conventional war +A conventional war is the Gulf war or the Falklands. +Ukraine isn't the same, the equipment is used much differently sometimes by choice (see Russia) and sometimes because your forced to use it how you can and with what you have available. +--- 57909148 +>>57909001 +>who’s to say that the Russians aren’t doing the same. +If the russians had anything they would have used it before instead of being BFTO several times by now around Ukraine. +Their most hyped elite units are documented as being destroyed (and had pathetic gear compared to common NATO armies), they're unable to own the airspace, and their supposed hi-tech weapons like the T-14 and Su-57 are nowhere to be seen. +They're fielding T-54s and press ganging conscripts, FFS. They have zero, zip, zilch, nada. They're uttertly fucked and desperate trying to stall the ukies boosted by NATO countries. +--- 57909236 +>>57909013 +>>57909039 +>>57909059 +>>57909062 +>>57909089 +>>57909148 +So many Ukraine shills. +>buuutt muhhh tankkkksss +Kek all of you retards believing that tanks and jets are still viable in modern war? We live in the era of unmanned bombs that can strike a target after it circles the globe 3 times. The ineffectiveness of convention equipment like tanks and planes just show how fake this war actually is. Clearly neither side is going full power because to do so would cause escalation to extremely deadly proportions so this war is being fought on a relatively small scale compared to what it actually could be fought on. + +Then there are you retards who are either meaningfully shilling Ukraine like the kikes that you are or you’re just a useful idiot who is actually counting up the “losses” from whatever bulldhit news media. It’s laughable. + +Going back to the op the question is basically why are these retarded Slavs digging holes and charging at each other like theyre LARPing WW1 rather than using their minds and trying to preserve themselves using guerilla tactics given that this fake ass war has been brought to a standstill +--- 57909238 +>>57908859 +I fucking called it lmaoo, I've been saying for months that Vatniks will start downplaying russias involvement in this war. Next few years it'll be illegal to even mention the words "Ukraine, SMO, casualties" +--- 57909254 +I'm sure the sinking of Moskva was part of their plan on saving their best for later. I bet they allowed it to happen, to make room in their fleet for a better, more modern ship to be built within the year. + +That said, OP is either out of touch, delusional, or a paid shill. +--- 57909264 +>>57909238 +Refer to this dumb nigger >>57909236 +all slavs are rats to me and idc about any of them nor do I care about the kikes shilling this war on both sides. My question is essentially why is united slavry fighting this war like a bunch of fucking retards? +--- 57909268 +>>57909236 +>Russia doesn't need tanks and jets! They're obsolete! +Holy cope, lmao +--- 57909271 +>>57909236 +You're a parody of yourself. +--- 57909462 +>>57908859 +>Finally start a direct gloves off war against your arch nemesis to destroy them once and for all +>Die to their ADDs +--- 57909487 +>>57909236 +Lay off the krokodil, Ivan. There's nothing in that mess of a post that's worth responding to directly. Sober up and try again tomorrow. +--- 57909491 +>>57908802 +Why not? Given the pace of the conflict, an old 100mm gun isn’t going to get in the way. It can only help +--- 57909536 +>>57909001 +Hurry up and follow your leader +--- 57909641 +>>57909491 +>It can only help +If your modern military is saying this about T-55s, the situation is not looking good. +Tankers are more important than tanks, throwing them into shitboxes that ATGMs would be a waste against means you are meatgrinding some of your hardest to replace men. +--- 57909648 +>seemingly unbiased thread about tactics and strategy about the war in ukraine +>biased shills invade and attack op +nice try OP. u must have not been here in a while. the zelensky cucks are particularly bad these days. +--- 57909833 +>>57908344 +>Fuck off shill. Say 10 “Slava ukraini” and kill yourself + +Nigger, literally the Russians sent in THEIR VERY BEST at the beginning of the war and they got absolutely decimated. Do you actually think the VDV they dropped into Hostomel were newbies? Do you actually think the fucking 1st Guards Tank division are a bunch of rejects or something? And Ukraine managed to hold off and repel the Russians BEFORE major Western aid had even arrived. At the beginning of the war, all Ukraine had from Western aid were small amounts of Javelins & NLAW's, along with basic equipment. Once major Western aid started to arrive with things like HIMAR's, 155mm Artillery & a shit ton of ammo, to the "small" things people tend to overlook like MRE's & Fuel, all these things combined is what allowed Ukraine to push the Russians out of around 80% of the territory that Russia had grabbed in the initial invasion. + +PLEASE try and dispute anything that I said above. Russia has sent in their "finest" already and their best and most highly trained troops got defeated by a bunch of National Guard-tier Ukrainians. +--- 57909881 +>>57908344 +>>57908657 +>>57908859 +>>57909001 + +Lol. You can see it getting angrier and angrier until it reveals its power level. +--- 57909884 +User Post No.57909648 (you) +How many people have you baited today? How many (you)s have you farmed? Is there any purpose to the (you)s? Does gathering (you)s somehow improve your life? Are you being paid per replies you get? I'm genuinely curious what goes through the heads of people like you who waste their lives posting about nothing on Manchurian CD archival forums. Is it the satisfaction of the reply? Is it making people upset? It must be, right? +--- 57909926 +>>57907623 (OP) +Guerilla war is a last resort. If you look at polsci papers and datasets, you see that it produces the higher combatant and civilian losses for the insurgent side, by a factor of 10 if I recall correctly, and is less likely to succeed. + +People think insurgencies always win but it's actually quite the opposite. Very many peter out. +--- 57909949 +>>57909881 +I feel like he revealed himself at the very start. +>>57907810 +--- 57909974 +>>57907623 (OP) +can i get a link to the video here +--- 57909980 +>>57909648 +What's biased about stating verifiable facts relating to Russia's military equipment losses, their degrading offensive capabilities, and increasing need to draft convicts and arrest people fleeing the country? Having hundreds of T-14s and Su-57s in reserve doesn't negate or change any of these things. +--- 57910077 +>>57909980 + +And even if they did have hundreds of T-14's and Su-57's (which they obviously don't), and even if they could magically teleport them into Kyiv and kill Zelensky on live television, the war would not end. In fact, the war would only turn even more brutal as that would likely drive even the most normal Ukrainian citizen to begin partisan activities. The fact that Russia still continues this war, despite the Ukrainians basically showing them they will fight to the last man to resist Russian rule, is so incredibly foolish. The Russians counted on the Ukrainians rolling over and accepting Russian rule when they first rolled in, and when the Ukrainians refused, Russia should have pulled out right then and there. Because using Russian logic of "power = might", Russia could then build up their military to an even greater amount and try invasion again in 5~ish years. + +But now they've fully committed to an unwinnable war, because unless they're willing to COMPLETELY genocide every last living Ukrainian, they will never have a stable country to rule. And although I fully believe Russia would gladly try such a thing, thankfully this war has shown that they no longer have such capabilities unless they went fully nuclear, in which case even China would abandon them in a heartbeat. Russia has lost so much military equipment, depleted their massive stores of ammunition to such levels that they have to ration their artillery, lost so many young men to war but also to braindrain, that they won't recover for decades. +--- 57910299 +>>57909833 +>>57909881 +>>57909884 +>>57909980 +>>57910077 +not even op but kek. the shills are really out today. you fucking jewkrainians have ruined /k/ not that there was much left of it before this gay war +--- 57910319 +>>57910299 + +2/10, apply yourself better /pol/ +--- 57910461 +>>57907748 +>Also, despite NATO backing the Ukrainians are still clearly outgunned in this and if the Russians really wanted to I think they would annihilate the standing Ukrainian army though I do think this is a good point regardless. Let me also say that I am totally unbiased and do not care about either side +Anon, eve the russian army at its peak wasn't able to destroy the u ok Ukrainian army while they were recieving the bare minimum of support back in early 2022. Just so you know, even with support, Ukraine is still the poorest country in Europe and "support" are not something that happened instantaneously. Russia had no ability to destroy the Ukrainian army and has to be forced into this conventional conflict. If you're a modern military, you want a quick decapitation. Not a prolonged attritional warfare. The true russian army dies in the spring of 2022, what now you're seeing is a former husk of a former husk. +--- 57910526 +>>57907623 (OP) +>why is a war between two industrialized state militaries fighting for territory like a traditional war and not like a guerrilla insurgency against an occupying force + +hmmmm +--- 57910540 +This board turned into a NAFO cesspool since day 1 of this gay ass war. + +The only thing I will say is that I see the same articles now in the MSM that I saw back in 2015-16 about Syria. "Putin is getting into Afghanistan 2.0" "Russians are incompetent! they use outdated equipment!" "They're only making marginal gains" +Replace the moderate jihadists with the kosher neo nazis and you have the same garbage articles and commentary. + +Ukraine had one chance to save itself, and it blew it back in April of last year. Now it's going to become a failed state. I mean, it already is one as its economy is entirely dependent on Western loans. Millions of refugees left for Europe to never come back, another approximately 2 million fled to Russia itself. Add to that the massive casualties and things aren't looking too hot. +--- 57910593 +>>57910540 + +Fuck off you disingenuous nigger. /k/ has never been pro-Russia and never will be. 4chan is a Western board first and foremost and has remained that way throughout its 20 year history. Of course people who use this board are mainly going to be from North America and Europe, and gee, I wonder which country those people would support; the niggers of Asia (Russia) or some poor-ass, underdeveloped country no-one had heard of before the war (Ukraine). + +Protip, no-one has liked Russians. Ever. They've shat up /v/ for decades and destroyed online games, they've shat up /k/ with their overinflated egos by continuing to claim that Russian hardware is superior to Western hardware, and they have a LONG track history of being pure niggers with all the man-love, rape & genocides they've been part of. +--- 57910689 +>>57910540 +This war has been the biggest mistake since the invasion of Afghanistan in the 80s. Russia has been exposed to being a paper tiger that cannot take over a country that has a defense budget of 9 billion or something. This is nothing like Syria where russia only commits a few thousand. +>b-but nafo +Nigger, stop trying to use this as a strawman because nobody wants to choose YOUR side on a western board. If you want an echo chamber for z niggers, then go to 2ch or bunkerchan. I am sure they welcome you. +>b-but muh loans and dependance on the western economy +Which side offers more benefits? The russian side, which will turn you into a slave client state and will corrupt your country with damaging corruption? Or the western side, which has investors and businesses that can make your country prosperous and maybe you can earn enough to pay it back or they will write it off. The west offer crumbs while the russians offers nothing. The west wants a mutual relationship while the russians want a master and slave relationship. +>millions of refugees +Half of them came back according to statistics. Why are you being selective on what you're reporting? People fled and came back when shit calmed down and majority of those are women and children. 2 MILLION russian men left russia for good. IMAGINE having 2 million of your male population leaving the country that is not being invaded at this moment. While majority of those that are leaving Ukraine are mainly women and children. You're telling me russia is about to become a nation without any working males? +You +--- 57910749 +>>57910540 +Nice bait +--- 57910795 +>>57910593 +The West is a decaying diseased temple of debauchery full of degenerate pieces of shit. +The real paper tiger has been the US, with a senile pedophile as president who had to steal an election, and its vassal states in the EU with gems like 360 degree turn Baerbock and such politicians de-industrializing their own countries. +--- 57910811 +>>57910795 +Now say that in English. Stop using words you're not familiar with. +--- 57910820 +>>57907748 +You think this is a proxy war to the Ukranians? +--- 57910840 +>>57910795 + +Waa waa, go back to your safe space on Reddit or 2ch. 4chan has always been a Western board preferring Western ideals over the kind of shit Russia or China is pushing. Ironically, the kind of people who would simp for Communism should be hating the current-Russia and I still find it hilarious those who continue to think Russia is some "bastion" of hope against globohomo. + +If my only two choices are globohomo or Russian life, I'll take globohomo any day of the week. +--- 57910943 +>>57910795 +Turdworlders like you are fucking delusional, lol +--- 57910968 +>>57910540 +Two more weeks! +--- 57910976 +>>57907810 +>I think the Russian military isn’t using their best or finest in this. + +That statement begs questions: + +What are their best and finest units? (Name them.) +Where are their Best and Finest? (It's difficult to hide even from commercial space systems such that common autists can easily do effective OSINT.) + +Where is the slightest evidence of B&F existing elsewhere? +With what systems are the B&F equipped? +Why weren't those used to promptly seize Ukraine at the start ending the war? + +The burden of support for contention is on the contender. What precisely in detail is your empirical evidence for your belief? +--- 57910994 +>>57908364 +Those aren't guerilla systems, except small drone. You appear to have ESL syndrome or just really like the word "guerilla". +--- 57911008 +>>57908918 +Z tards conveniently ignore that western armor has already absolutely dabbed on russian armor before. I've already seen ziggers claiming that T-55s have better range than anything NATO has, and that they are unkillable when hull-downed. Every russian shill memory holed Desert Storm because it defeats every headcanon they have about their beloved vehicles. +--- 57911019 +>>57908952 +If you don't want to be called a zigger, stop spewing all of the zigger cope. +--- 57911031 +>>57910299 +Anti-Semitism is frowned upon by Comrade Putin, Pidor, you just earned your ticket to the Chechen Ass rodeo. +--- 57911066 +>>57909491 +Every tank crew needs the same food, water etc per soldier. Every tank fixed as a pillbox or mobile requires fuel to operate and of course ammunition which demand logistics vehicles to deliver same. Logistics also require their own support logistics in massive quantities. A shit tank may cost less in ammo to sustain but the other variables are similar or identical. + +Every resource used once is not available for other use, so if that use is suboptimal it is questionable. For example shell spamming to attempt to compensate for inaccuracy dug many craters while depleting every resource used to put those projectiles where they landed. While the noob appeal of old armor excites the sperg, that armor must be employed effectively or it was wasted. + +What is the model for optimal T-54/55 employment against Ukraine after better tanks died trying? For example given available support how should T54/55 be organized? +--- 57911149 +>>57907864 +>Russia clearly out muscles them and the ukrainians would’ve have lost if not for the intervention of NATO. +This is as false as it gets. Entire NATO was expecting them to fail at week one. That's why everyone was sending manpads and we got that massive propaganda campaign about ordinary people preparing molotovs at first. Only after the Kiev offensive fizzled out the west actually started to believe in conventional Ukrainian Army and started sending provisions for them. The only thing they went all in at first was AWACS data sharing. +--- 57912481 +holy shit the amount of fucking kikes in this thread. fuck all of you dirty kikes for destroying what couldve been a good thread. fuck all slavniggers too in addition to you shithead kikes. stop spamming with this shit fucking rabbi niggers +--- 57912500 +Kek these niggers ruin literally every thread +--- 57912591 +>>57908423 +Nigga literally forgot that this exactly happened fucking 80 years in the same territory. + +Stupid nigga diff --git a/k/57907681.txt b/k/57907681.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0df08de06c4e6a080e7737f9be22527c35149e84 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907681.txt @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +----- +--- 57907681 +HEADSHOT +--- 57907696 +Arma 3 video +--- 57907704 +>>57907681 (OP) +Sauce. +Incredibly low effort bread OP why are you a faggot. +--- 57907809 +>>57907681 (OP) +Mindblowing +--- 57907835 +>>57907696 +>>57907704 +https://t.me/rusich_army/8463 +sauce +--- 57907891 +your excuse to not have thermals ? +--- 57907899 +nice explosion +--- 57907902 +why don't they use these snipers to support their trench assaults? +--- 57907921 +>>57907902 +they do for night assault mainly I guess and only some units +--- 57907950 +>>57907921 +Why don't they use them in more units? +--- 57907979 +>no hmmmm dead piggies +cmon guys +--- 57907991 +>>57907950 +not everyone has thermals +--- 57907996 +>>57907681 (OP) +>combat footage +neat +>gore porn +OP is a fag +--- 57908016 +>>57907996 +>gore +>black and white thermal +kys faggot +--- 57908195 +that must hurt +--- 57908425 +>>57907996 +>that +>gore porn +The absolute STATE +--- 57909203 +So jannies delete posts for calling someone a "low IQ Ukrainian"? This place has become a fucking joke. +--- 57909250 +>>57907902 +>>57907950 +Russians only have a few units with NVG and capable of good tactics. +Remember that their VDV assault on Hostomel at the start of the war was by daylight because they didn't have the capability to do it by night like any NATO army. And those were their "elite" units. +--- 57909270 +Post it all you want, it wont bring the Ukrainian casualties any closer to Russian ones +--- 57909296 +Pop pop watch them pidors drop +Slave Z +--- 57909311 +>>57909296 +ACK +--- 57909312 +>>57907681 (OP) +me seeing a single ukie dying: :( +me seeing ruskies dying by the 100s: :D +--- 57909327 +>>57909311 +Burning man +--- 57909427 +>>57909327 +ACK +--- 57909554 +Can't believe these Slav niggers waste my tax money on shit like that. +--- 57912078 +MOOODS +--- 57912465 +This kill video dick measuring became meaningless with the leak confirming ukies outmurdering russians 1:3. +--- 57913303 +>how it feels to chew 5 gum diff --git a/k/57907759.txt b/k/57907759.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9e262b251ade3ac74b3f8af4383bff544ee71387 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907759.txt @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ +----- +--- 57907759 +Ukraine should surprise Russia by rushing Belgorod and then push toward Moscow, instead of attempting to dislodge the Russians from their entrenched positions in southern Ukraine. Russian civilians need to understand that this war is real, and that they are very much responsible for it. + +>Ve vill nook + +You won't do shit. +--- 57907777 +>>57907759 (OP) +OP here, forgot to say that pic is highly rel +--- 57907795 +I wanna get some beer after work but I'm too lazy to go to the liquor store. +--- 57907800 +>>57907777 + +OP here. Thanks OP. Nice quads. I'm straight if it matters, btw. +--- 57910006 +>>57907759 (OP) +>Russian civilians need to understand that this war is real, and that they are very much responsible for it. +Why? Do you want them to actively support the war rather than just passively watch? +--- 57910026 +>>57907759 (OP) +That's a retarded idea, that would make the Russians support the war even more. +>>57907795 +Sauce? +--- 57913436 +>>57910026 +>>57910006 + +1. The Russians already "support" it +2. The Russian is a perfidious, self serving cowards; if the war affects him directly, he will flee or petition for peace +--- 57913978 +>>57910006 +All russians must die screaming on burning crosses diff --git a/k/57907878.txt b/k/57907878.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ab8e7fe6fe42329076aa10de38524966fb83f892 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907878.txt @@ -0,0 +1,258 @@ +----- +--- 57907878 +>Murican weapons doing what they were designed to do +Beautiful +--- 57907901 +>that ejection pattern +Holy overgassed, Batman. +--- 57907916 +>>57907901 +Suppressor back pressure is one hell of a drug. +--- 57907938 +>Murican women doing what they were designed to do +Beautiful +--- 57907952 +>>57907938 +Terrible cope Ivan. Kill yourself. +--- 57907953 +>>57907901 +>M4 +>carbine gas system +>probably m855A1 +>suppressor + +Yeah no shit. +--- 57907978 +>>57907952 +I'm not a vatnigger but at least you're on your toes. +--- 57907986 +>>57907953 +>m855A1 +I wish I could get a bunch of m855a1 for free. :*( +--- 57908066 +>>57907986 +you should join the azov regiment. They're getting M855A1 and suppressed M4s by the truck load +--- 57908141 +>>57907878 (OP) +heartless Ukies committing warcrimes again +--- 57908145 +Looks like he's shooting high +--- 57908204 +>>57907878 (OP) +I love m4s +--- 57908324 +>>57908141 +sadly, the Vatnik were screaming for +>Helllaaackkk.!! +>AcccKKKKKK!! +>AAAACKKKK!! +--- 57909085 +>>57907878 (OP) +That dude saved his squad. He was the only one that knew what to do. He was the only one that got out of the bunker and prevented them from getting fragged. He was holding their position practically by himself while instructing everyone else to do basic shit like filling out the mags once things calmed down a bit +--- 57909141 +>>57907878 (OP) +>That one guy who gets hit and then starts leaking smoke all over the place +Wait a minute, was that guy a robot!? +--- 57911205 +>>57909141 +>Turns out the russians were the bio-lab soldiers all along. +--- 57911218 +>>57908204 +I fell in love with the M4 in the Army. +--- 57911233 +>>57909085 +this has been recorded as true since WW2. + +you live and die on only a handful of guys while the rest cower and do what they can and follow orders. +--- 57911239 +>>57909141 +The manpower shortages got REALLY bad +--- 57911248 +>>57907878 (OP) +His can is probably baffle strike city. Looks extremely canted. +--- 57911254 +>>57909141 +Probably some bullets hit the mags in his chest rig and ruptured the cartridges. +--- 57911310 +>>57909085 +It's why every military worth a shit invests so much into ints NCO corps. They're the guys who take charge of the squad, and keep them organized and engaged. +--- 57911349 +>>57907878 (OP) +You didn't post the Band of Brothers ass shit that happened before that Battlefield ass shit. +--- 57911410 +>>57907878 (OP) +What's that white smoke coming out of that dead guy? +--- 57911461 +>>57911410 +Steam from the thermostat of hot tomato soup after being punctured by bullets. +--- 57911558 +>>57911410 +see +>>57909141 +he was a robot. +--- 57911598 +>>57911410 +He was literally visibly seething +--- 57911605 +>>57909141 +da comrade the gloves finally come off we have deployed former soviet wonder weapon robot +--- 57911611 +>>57909085 +I mean it appears like he came from the reserves which were drone spotting their position and was there with his buddy specifically to give them back up. Some have postulated they were heavily shelled before operator mc' slick dick showed up and there is already a KIA when he arrives. +--- 57911627 +>>57911349 +Warcrime +--- 57911693 +>>57911349 +>>57907878 (OP) +Full video where? +--- 57911715 +>>57909141 +FEDOR NOOOOO! +--- 57911718 +>>57911349 +>>57907878 (OP) +Anyone got the full video with audio? +--- 57911726 +>>57911718 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzL3rUfF_wY [Embed] +--- 57911733 +>>57911718 +https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=fzL3rUfF_wY +--- 57911738 +>>57911349 +>Webm skips the third guy who appears before he leaves to come around back +Real tight knit group honestly. +--- 57911745 +>>57911718 +https://files.catbox.moe/ey49y9.mp4 +Shitbox +--- 57911749 +>>57911349 + +>orcs! +>where are they? +--- 57911765 +>>57911749 +They actually call them faggots (Pidors) but the video would not be online for very long with those subtitles. +--- 57911777 +>>57911715 +>FEDOR NOOOOO! +--- 57911786 +>>57911310 +>muh nco corps +not immune to shrapnel +--- 57911790 +>>57911749 +--- 57911796 +>>57907878 (OP) +It’s neat how irl it’s the hits that often don’t have a visual effect. The dirt exploding around them typically is a miss and then when there’s not a splash is when they probably got ‘em good in the guts +--- 57911813 +>>57911796 +Yup, all the dirt splatter is usually a miss, even though it makes it look more impressive. +Still, for the guy getting shot at, missed shots are still going to be suppressing them. +--- 57911824 +>>57907938 +>watches a video of 3 of his countrymen getting blasted to shit +>but whatabout my fetish porn collection +--- 57911845 +>>57911824 +Five, there's a guy on the left you can see on the ground, and one corpse just to the left of the ammo exploding guy. +In the longer video he also apparently shoots two more +--- 57911855 +>>57911790 +>Huge explosion across the field as he says it +Serious Kino. Probably one of the best vids so far in the war. +--- 57911856 +>>57911796 +>>57911813 +You get dirt splatter even if the bullet goes through them anons. +--- 57911869 +>>57907901 +>but muh longevity of the bolt carrier system + +in combat, you're not going to out live your over pressurized bolt carrier group you dumb fudd. +--- 57911919 +>>57911824 +they aren't sending their best +--- 57911991 +What I find more interesting is redditor tier posters kept ragging on Western volenteers for shouting loudly compared to Ukranian irregulars, telling them to "calm down", and now pretty much every single Ukrainian fuckstick is screaming top of their lungs like heir life depended on it. +--- 57912007 +>>57911991 +are you just making shit up to get angry about? +--- 57912101 +>>57911349 +>what's up orcs, it's our field, fuck off! +the fucking balls on this guy +--- 57912300 +>>57907878 (OP) +>multiple shots to put anyone down +>they're still alive and moving after 6 shots +i'm so glad i never invested in 5.56, what a shit fucking round +--- 57912345 +>>57911248 +You could say it's canted +--- 57912370 +>>57907878 (OP) +>American weapons in the hands of Neo-Nazi football hooligans turned sanctioned military unit killing Russians +God I love this timeline +--- 57912396 +>>57908066 +i’m about to get out and genuinely curious how does one actually do this +--- 57912401 +>>57908066 +Where do I get all the Kraken and Azov FP footage videos +--- 57912422 +lancer mag? +--- 57912499 +>>57912396 +contact a ukrainian embassy. But if you don't have combat experience they probably won't want you +--- 57912527 +>>57912499 +if youre a cnadian teh cnadian army will literally train and equip you and send you over +--- 57914436 +>>57909141 +Is it cold over there right now? Could be coming off his blood. +I know I've seen police footage of a guy getting dropped in the dead of winter up north and his chest wounds had a lot of mist coming out of them +--- 57914467 +>>57907878 (OP) +>ruskies already crying on /pol/ about how fake this this video is +you love to see it +--- 57914504 +>>57908066 +M995 or shit>>57908066 +--- 57914755 +>>57911790 +>What's up orcs, it's our f **BOOM** ield, fuck off +the brass cajones on this guy +probably gonna need to carry them around in a sling after it's all said and done. +--- 57915164 +>>57912396 +Ignore >>57912499 + +>Fly to Poland. +>Cross into Ukraine. +>Hitch a ride with Americans. + +If anyone asks, you're the ammo-bitch. +--- 57915175 +>>57911349 +Holy. Fucking. SHIT.... +--- 57915180 +>>57912007 +No. The rhetoric was rampant on other boards like wag. +--- 57915219 +>>57908066 +I unironically want to. I have a specialized skill, saw combat in Iraq in my early 20s. I was a edd handler and still do it civilian side I think I could train their dog teams in detection or be one of their dog teams. I'm 40 with a family etc but the thought stays on my mind. Stupid I know, but the older you get you don't really change. I still want that camaraderie and feeling of doing shit that I had back then. And this unit is the fucking definition of camaraderie and family in combat. +--- 57915247 +>>57911627 +I’ll bite. What is the war crime? +--- 57915291 +>>57911765 +but...but they're the globalhomo... +--- 57915296 +>>57911824 +Take it easy on him he's getting paid only 20 dollars a month to shitpost on english speaking websites +--- 57915297 +>>57911824 +russia isn't really a real country when you think about it diff --git a/k/57907997.txt b/k/57907997.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1fab054382b7cb2ce69d7769284c6132a3a809ce --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57907997.txt @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +----- +--- 57907997 +Things your guns would say to you at the shooting range. +--- 57908035 +>>57907997 (OP) +--- 57908039 +>>57907997 (OP) +>KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE +--- 57908072 +>>57908035 +The pic makes it seem like the 1911 would be some 40 year old MILF, but if we're going in that direction the 1911 would be 112 years old and closer to pic rel +--- 57908116 +>>57907997 (OP) +>G3A3 during service +I need you to slap me hard +--- 57908128 +>>57908035 +--- 57908221 +>>57908072 +don't act like you wouldn't anon +--- 57908253 +>>57908035 +>1911 is hand fitted with expensive internals and an even more expensive slide +>Less than 2 years old +Girl, stop acting like a grandma. +--- 57908419 +>>57907997 (OP) +"Winchester tastes like shit compared to Hornady." +--- 57909528 +>>57907997 (OP) +>Your aim sucks... +--- 57909555 +>>57907997 (OP) +You're hitting low and left again, anon. Maybe you should give me a little kiss and finally pull the trigger? +--- 57912934 +>>57908039 +>shooting a collectable. +Why, anon? +--- 57913313 +"Nice groups faggot, if you get one flier per mag, it's you not me." +--- 57913381 +>>57908128 +HURTS MY HANDS +--- 57913835 +>>57907997 (OP) +>my screws are backing out you shouldve used loctite dumb ass +--- 57914278 +>You know my pump isn't supposed to automatically open after you shoot, right? +--- 57914302 +>AUG +Look, I know my trigger sucks but it's not as much of an excuse as you imagine it is. You kinda suck. +>USP +Pretty good anon. +>cap and ball revolvers +CANNON TO THE LEFT OF THEM, CANNON TO THE RIGHT OF THEM, CANNON IN FRONT OF THEM VOLLEY'D AND THUNDER'D +--- 57914317 +>>57908128 +Absolutely true. The APX is the sweet shy girl that wears glasses everyone overlooked in high school for the blonde bombshell that hit puberty early. Better trigger and ergos right out of the box. +It's ok APX. I love you and that's all that matters. +--- 57914320 +>>57907997 (OP) +"Master, I crave real African blood. Please, just give me one, it's been soooo long since the Congo civil wars" +--- 57914331 +>>57914278 +it is though +--- 57914433 +>>57914331 +Based on every video I've seen of guys shooting them, they're not, they shoot, then very deliberately pump it a second later, the pump never just immediately flies back the second the trigger is pulled, only winchesters do that. +--- 57914775 +>>57914331 +>>57914278 +Own old mossy 500. The slide has a lock so you can apply rearward pressure while firing without working the action immediately after. I believe you are correct, the SXP I fired immediately worked the pump after firing. Good for follow up shots, bad for a slug gun. +--- 57914805 +>>57907997 (OP) +WHY WUZ THAT MF AT THE RANGE COUNTER STARIN AT ME ALL LIKE I GOT SOMTHING ON MY FACE!? I SHOULD GO BACK THERE AND BEAT HIS MONKEY AAAAAAAAA!! +--- 57914867 +>>57914775 +It stays locked if I dry fire it, not if I actually shoot it, so I just kinda assumed the recoil makes me break the rearward pressure just enough to let the pump open while still recoiling. +Will admit it does make for fast shooting though. diff --git a/k/57908110.txt b/k/57908110.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8be911eb09f2633ebdd348a7d08023ba917816ff --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908110.txt @@ -0,0 +1,481 @@ +----- +--- 57908110 +Is war unavoidable or is it just /k/ommando warmongering? If yes, how far in the future are we talking about and started by who and for what reason? +--- 57908164 +yeah +--- 57908203 +Fuck ya mudda +--- 57908219 +>>57908110 (OP) +China is using Taïwan as bait to start war with the USA +--- 57908244 +Implessive +--- 57908248 +>>57908110 (OP) +idk fag, i don't have a direct line to the ghosts in xi jinping's blood. anyone who tells you there is a definitive answer is reading tea leaves because one person makes that call and no one is sure how seriously he takes anything he says. +--- 57908251 +>>57908110 (OP) +China is posturing but USA will make the first aggression. +--- 57908257 +>>57908164 +>>57908203 +>>57908244 +Unfunny yeahniggers +--- 57908268 +>>57908110 (OP) +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis +--- 57908278 +>>57908257 +no effort mockery is not supposed to be funny, it's supposed to show that (You) don't deserve being taken seriously. +--- 57908283 +>>57908110 (OP) +Unlike the Russians we actually need each other economically +Still, dumber shit has happened +--- 57908313 +>>57908110 (OP) +taiwan is going to eventually accept the inevitable by simply having pro-chinese political parties come into power. + +that will probably defuse the whole situation as taiwan voluntarily re-joining china allows the U.S. to pull back with some dignity. +--- 57908346 +War is unavoidable +Ignore the prepper shit that alex jones has been selling since before you were born +What you will see is +>Interac down +>VISA down +>AMEX down +>MasterCard down +>Cell service down +>Wired internet down +And in some cases +>Rolling blackouts +>Water not flowing to your tap +Motherfuckers are still in the WW2 mindset +>AHHHHH THE KRAUTS ARE CROSSING THE CHANNEL TO BOMB US!! +Have you ever even considered what you'd do if you can't access your money? +--- 57908371 +>>57908346 +>Have you ever even considered what you'd do if you can't access your money? +Non issue, I don't have any. Richfags on suicide watch +--- 57908377 +>>57908110 (OP) +it's unfortunate that both sides are pushing towards a Thucydides trap situation, they benefit immensely from mutual trade and cooperation but China has been actively engaged in unprecedented widescale state organized industrial espionage and abusing the international trade and financial systems for decades at this point which is the fastest way to make the US hostile. The US as well can be faulted for trying to pointlessly antagonize autocratic shitholes to make them less autocratic - the CCP is already absolutely fucking psychotic and fixated on revanchism against most of the rest of the world and barely tolerates even mild criticism, so it's kind of pointless. + +A war between them would be a disaster for almost every economy on Earth, China is far more reliant on international trade than the US but there would be no winners. On the upside any realistic conflict scenario between the two would be likely localized to the South China Sea though you might see Iran try to make moves in the Middle East and small border skirmishes around the world while the US is preoccupied. I would say Russia might try some shit but they are already balls deep in nightmare quagmire. +--- 57908390 +>>57908110 (OP) +this fucking map is tripping me out dude +--- 57908463 +>>57908110 (OP) +war is avoidable, but that is because the CCP is being outwardly hostile to its neighbors and bullying people through predatory loans. the US will only intervene if it starts taking open hostile actions like declaring war on and beginning a out right war with any of its allies in the pacific-indian oceans. +--- 57908557 +>>57908313 +That is why I am betting on to. Taiwan will simply have a pro-CCP government that will cool down any tension and be whipped into saying bad things about the US +--- 57908572 +>>57908371 +based NEET +--- 57908586 +>>57908219 +other way around. US is using Taiwan as a bait to drag China into a war. +--- 57908604 +>>57908377 +>but China has been actively engaged in unprecedented widescale state organized industrial espionage and abusing the international trade and financial systems for decades at this point +the US of fucking A is the one bombing the global financial system into oblivion. Hint: it started in 2008. +--- 57908613 +>>57908110 (OP) +I just want some fun while I'm in my prime fighting age. War cant come soon enough. As a matter of fact I hope china invades Taiwan tomorrow. +--- 57908616 +>>57908463 +>but that is because the CCP is being outwardly hostile to its neighbors and bullying people through predatory loans. +retarded faggotard is retarded +--- 57908624 +>>57908613 +>War cant come soon enough +only retards want to fight a peer conflict. And you're retarded. +--- 57908631 +>>57908313 +We are not going to allow China to validate it's claims over territorial waters that put our allies at a massive tactical and economic disadvantage +--- 57908656 +>>57908631 +>We are not going to allow China +>allow +cry about it muttbitch. +--- 57908684 +>>57908656 +What gay ass country are you from thirdie? Post guns. +--- 57908809 +>>57908110 (OP) +It's just Xi being a little bitch. He won't be there forever. +--- 57908848 +>>57908110 (OP) +All wars are unavoidable; they may only be delayed to or against the advantage of a party. +--- 57908852 +>>57908656 +>sails through Champa Sea +--- 57908857 +>>57908656 +Yeah, because when you're a superpower you get to make the rules. +Something no chink will ever understand. +--- 57908858 +>>57908586 +Then why don't you come and defend Taïwan mutt? +China won't attack Taïwan unless the US get dragged into the war. +--- 57908889 +>>57908656 +Post guns, post hand +--- 57908916 +>>57908110 (OP) +It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. +--- 57909069 +>>57908858 +Attack Taiwan and find out, bugman. +It'll only be what, the third time China got its teeth kicked in over that one island? +Last time was hilarious, niggas in M3 Stuarts ran out of ammo killing chinksects and just started running them over. +Literally squashing bugs +--- 57909131 +>>57909069 +>niggas in M3 Stuarts ran out of ammo killing chinksects and just started running them over. +>Literally squashing bugs +context? +--- 57909135 +>>57908656 +Kind of how it plays out when you're the sole global hegemon. +--- 57909167 +>>57908858 +So I’m starting to think that “mutt” might be more of a chinaman insult than Vatnik but it’s hard to tell. Chinese definitely are up there when it comes to being descended from thousands of years of incest, but on the flip side they also have a long history of being invaded and mass raped by all the other asiatics so I’d imagine they’re pretty mutty in a lot of areas. They just get the cheat code of all looking the same so a Chinawoman has a bunch of Japanese rape babies and they all just become sniggering little Chinamen with slightly less feminine features. + +Your godemperor kind of looks like he could be part mongol doesn’t he? You think he’s descended from pure-bred chinaman cousinfuckers or is he part rapemutt do you reckon? +--- 57909206 +i dislike China as much as the next guy but i'm also not american - i can understand the motivation for proppping up Israel but why does everyone care about that fucking island so much? is it all just out of principle? +--- 57909235 +>>57909069 +>Attack Taiwan and find out, bugman. +Lol. We don't need to attack to take that lgbt island. We are gradually tighten the blockade, China already police all traffic in and out of Taïwan, in a few month all shipping need to pass by the mainland first. By that time China de facto controls Taïwan without firing a shot.>>57909069 + +Come and stop us and find out. +--- 57909299 +>>57909206 +It's about holding on to their hegemony. +If Taiwan falls or joins China, every US ally will have second thoughts about relying on them for defense and suddenly their entire diplomatic moves and investment in the navy is put in jeopardy. +Backed by a strong hand or not, these things can easily fall like dominos due to hysteria. +--- 57909370 +>>57909131 +China tried to invade Taiwan back in the 50's. +A Taiwanese naval officer engaged in smuggling happened to notice the invasion and sounded the alarm. +The Taiwanese fought off the invasion, over the course of this, their tanks (light tanks given to them by the U.S) ran out of ammo, so they just used the treads as rollers and crushed chinks to death. +--- 57909384 +>>57909235 +>Come and stop us and find out. +Be careful of what you asked for. +You may recieve it. +--- 57909408 +>>57908110 (OP) +I'd fucking love to see China try to invade Taiwan. That kind of amphibious assault would make D-day casualties look light by comparison. +--- 57909411 +>>57909206 +In a general strategic sense Taiwan locks China in behind a island chain. + +Taiwan also leads the world chip industry, so if they die it crashes the global economy. +--- 57909425 +>>57908313 +That would be pretty difficult to pull off +--- 57909830 +>>57909235 +You shill cucks are literally in the exact same propaganda/dictator trap that Russia was in lol this is rad. Y’all bout to lose a century’s worth of progress over your emperor’s inferiority complex lamo +--- 57910106 +>>57909830 +They are about to relive the Century of Shame. +They'll call this one the "Millennium of Humiliation" and the AUCUS/NATO alliance are going to carve chinkland up like a fucking ham. +--- 57910232 +>>57910106 +lmaooooo +Absolute cope +--- 57910272 +>>57908110 (OP) +Yeah it's going to happen and there's no avoiding it. +--- 57910310 +>>57908110 (OP) +I don't think there will be a war. China would have to be the aggressor and they benefit far too much from international trade and being able to dangle the Taiwan issue in front of their populace any time there is internal issues. Eventually we'll they'll manage to get pro CCP politicians into tge Taiwanese government who will start cooling rhetoric and working towards a reintegration +--- 57910351 +>>57908313 +ignoring the fact that America would simply depose anyone too commie-friendly, i visited Taiwan recently and young people i talked to (late 20's early 30's) vehemently opposed any sort of unifications They also don't necessarily want to claim the mainland anymore tho, they just want to be left alone +--- 57910371 +>>57908110 (OP) +it's 50% china stronk shills and implessive trolling and 50% the money from GWOT is all used up and the russians aren't putting up enough of a show that modern stuff could actually be sold. And I guess we do have a lot of reddit tourists here that saw something on MSNBC once and now think they got the inside scoop. +--- 57910524 +>>57910106 +>>57910232 +No one will want that shithole after the 3GD pops and turns most of it's population centers into a swamp. +--- 57910764 +>>57910310 +Seems unlikely after they went full gestapo on Hong Kong. Taiwan isn't likely to forget how that situation was handled for a long time. +--- 57910767 +>>57910232 +>lmaooooo +>Absolute cope +A weak comeback from Asia's sick man. +You might as well light up some opium and pick out a new accent rice nigger. +Will you be speaking Engrish in the British, Australian Canadian or American form? +I guess it depends on which one claims your particular iPad factory at the end if this. +--- 57910772 +>>57909830 +>You shill cucks are literally in the exact same propaganda/dictator trap that Russia was +Nah, you it's you mutts that's living in a bubble. You probably think china has social credit or something +--- 57910815 +>>57910772 +*pushes up glasses* Uhh achtully, there's no one social credit score in Chuukoku, but instead multiple regional systems with varying standards. Get OWNED, chud. Also, they don't ALL eat dogs. I bet you feel bad now. +--- 57910845 +>>57909069 +China has nothing to gain but cheers from their nationalist crowd and a lot of shit to lose. + +Additionally their economy is imploding +>covid restrictions killing all small business +>housing bubble is collapsing +>steel industry collapsing +>banks are out of money, some because a guy ran off with 6 billion (to the US) +>the wealthy are all fleeing +>the middle class have no housing anymore and are protesting +>the poor are dying because of covid restrictions keeping them indoors + +But yeah china is TOTALLY going to start a war with the west with all of this happening +--- 57910892 +I think it has like a 15% chance of happening, but we have to be on guard for it. The economic competition between China and the US is more interesting and a different matter +--- 57910899 +>>57910845 +All that and more are reasons to point to the possibility of war. Germany didn't chimp out because things were going too well. +--- 57910901 +>>57908377 +The craziest thing about the war in Ukraine is how it has become a resemblance of the first world war, more so than the second. The potency of ground air defense systems and the infantryman's ability to take out low-flying aircraft makes it extremely difficult to establish air superiority, which is the backbone of our doctrine since ww2. Simultaneously, the capability of even the average infantryman to easily and singlehandedly destroy multiple pieces of armor makes armored offensives across the plains a death wish. And if you try to use armor in more concealed areas, you are just as fucked because you're easily ambushed by squads with AT weapons. The result is the opposite of ww2! There are no sweeping offensives, envelopements, or pincers. It has forced the war into an artillery war with soldiers hunkering in trenches. What it comes down to is your infantry taking territory, and that can only be done at great expense. Both sides have learned that the hard way +--- 57910929 +>>57910772 +>no u the 1 u rive in bubble we rive in rear wordd + +The Tiananmen Square protests, known in Chinese as the June Fourth Incident[1][2][a] were student-led demonstrations held in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, during 1989. In what is known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, or in Chinese the June Fourth Clearing[b] or June Fourth Massacre[c], troops armed with assault rifles and accompanied by tanks fired at the demonstrators and those trying to block the military's advance into Tiananmen Square. The protests started on 15 April and were forcibly suppressed on 4 June when the government declared martial law and sent the People's Liberation Army to occupy parts of central Beijing. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[3][4][5][6][7][8] The popular national movement inspired by the Beijing protests is sometimes called the '89 Democracy Movement[d] or the Tiananmen Square Incident[e]. +--- 57910946 +>>57908313 +Ukraine is going to eventually accept the inevitable by simply having pro-russian political parties come into power. + +that will probably defuse the whole situation as ukraine voluntarily re-joining russia allows the U.S. to pull back with some dignity. +--- 57910963 +>>57910946 +>implying elections +retardbro... +--- 57910964 +>>57908110 (OP) + +Its just a suicide pact where either side knows that they are fucked if shit ever gets hostile, but still want to demonstrate themselves as the dominant power every now and then. + +Taiwan is more useful to china independant than they are as a province, though admittingly this was also true of HK and that didnt stop the bugmen from taking the only prolific exporter of chinese culture behind the shed +--- 57910967 +>>57910901 +I’ve been screeching this shit since 2014. Literally started exactly 100 years later. + +This is WWI2 +--- 57910980 +>>57910946 +Literally banned the pro-Russian parties and pro-Russian sentiment has literally never been lower. What kind of autistic cope psychosis is this lol +--- 57910998 +>>57910351 +you have to be clinically insane to "voluntarily" want to join a absolute piece of shit lawless tyrantship like the mainland regime. Even if you are a late age teenager and dont really care about insanity like the great leap backwards or cultural devolution (only 50 years ago btw), what they did to Hong Kong is in living memory of anyone alive. + + It is only certified wumaos, like vatniks concerning ukraine, who even try to peddle any opposite fantasy reality. Only way pooh bear emperor is going to feast on taiwanese corpse is through war. There is never going to be any free willed annexation, as even the term "reunification" is a propaganda twist as they were never unified to begin with. +--- 57911037 +>>57910963 +zelensky was elected as a russia friendly platform politician zigger. Russia with its king-boyar presidents is a exception, not the rule. That pic there is a zelensky giving a performance in moscow on new years eve around 2013ish + +>>57910980 +read carefully againg the post it was parodying you zero reading comprehension retard +--- 57911044 +>>57910998 +Kek. +Rice niggers had the hatchway on backwards, their electric bilge pump burned out because they had it resting in water. +Did they do one thing right the entire clip? +--- 57911106 +>>57910929 +>Tiananmen Square protests +And? +--- 57911141 +>>57908110 (OP) +It's hard to predict, I think China wants to make the costs for the US to intervene so high that they will back off at the crucial moment. Any war between China and the US would have such massive ramifications for both countries economically and militarily that it might lead to major instability. Militarily the US will suffer immense casualties no matter how they go about it simply because of the sheer volume of military hardware the Chinese have. And since both are nuclear powers the CCP may even employ tactical nuclear weapons on US bases like Guam and in Okinawa, "if we go down we drag everyone down with us". It's a real risk +--- 57911187 +>>57911141 +>tactical nuclear weapons +China almost excursively have strategic nuke. + +China has no problem beating the US conventionally. China has enough industrial capacity to build 9 USN in a year. China vs Us is reverse Pacific War. +--- 57911214 +>>57911187 +It depends on how much the US is going to sink in it. If they go all out they can beat them but with a massive cost, think multiple carriers sunk 3-400 planes downed and tens of thousands of casualties for the US. Not to mention economic and social damage back home +--- 57911216 +I have a more important question. + +To be a world war, we need every continent involved. North America, Europe, Asia, and Oceania are already set, but how do we involve Africa and South America? +--- 57911237 +>>57911214 +Nope, US has no chance against China. You can't win against a country that can build 9x your navy in one year. +--- 57911253 +>>57911216 +Africa is owned by China and Russia, South America will be the true victors (they are too irrelevant to be attacked) +--- 57911261 +>>57908313 +If peaceful reunification is so inevitable then why all the saber rattling? +--- 57911270 +>>57911106 +The Chinese government continues to forbid discussions about the Tiananmen Square protests[286][287] and has taken measures to block or censor related information, in an attempt to suppress the public's memory of the Tiananmen Square protests.[288] Textbooks contain little, if any, information about the protests.[289] After the protests, officials banned controversial films and books and shut down many newspapers. Within a year, 12% of all newspapers, 8% of all publishing companies, 13% of all social science periodicals, and more than 150 films were either banned or shut down. The government also announced that it had seized 32 million contraband books and 2.4 million video and audio cassettes.[290] Access to media and Internet resources about the subject are either restricted or blocked by censors.[291] Banned literature and films include Summer Palace,[292] Forbidden City, Collection of June Fourth Poems,[citation needed] The Critical Moment: Li Peng diaries and any writings of Zhao Ziyang or his aide Bao Tong, including Zhao's memoirs. However, contraband and Internet copies of these publications can still be found.[citation needed] + +Print media that contain references to the protests must be consistent with the government's version of events.[241] Domestic and foreign journalists are detained, harassed, or threatened, as are their Chinese colleagues and any Chinese citizens who they interview. Many young people who were born after 1980 are unfamiliar with the events and are therefore apathetic about politics. Youth in China are sometimes unaware of the events, the symbols which are associated with them such as the Tank Man,[] or the significance of the date of the massacre 4 June itself.[296] Some older intellectuals no longer aspire to implement political change. Instead, they focus on economic issues. Some political prisoners have refused to talk to their children about their involvement in the protests out of fear of putting them at risk.[ +--- 57911308 +>>57909235 +Do you shills even try? +--- 57911336 +>>57908110 (OP) +As long as Taiwan doesn't declare independence as an island country called Taiwan they can suck a dick +LARPing rump state that doesn't even recognize the country of Mongolia +--- 57911346 +>>57911261 +Saber rattling is what lead to peaceful reunification + +There is the timeline, you can save this and confirm in 1-2 years. +1: Erase median line and make military exercise around Taiwan the new normal. Pelosi's visit was use as excuse for that. +2: China start to police traffic and shipping in the Taiwan strait. Tsai meeting with McCarthy was used as excuse. +>You are here +3: China begin to police traffic and shipping in and out of Taiwan. (will probably happen in later this year) +4: China force all shipping into Taiwan to pass by the Mainland first; Mainland de facto control of Taiwan. (Prob around 2024 election) +--- 57911350 +>>57911308 +China is far from being a traditional, monogamous paradise where all social life is void of sexual or cultural degeneracy, the music industry in China is a great example of this, just take a look at the Kpop music industry - while the CCP claims to have put a crackdown on such music, when one looks at the sales and industry, the crackdown seems rather ineffective or just put on paper to appear more traditional than they are. In fact: + +>"China is the sixth-largest music market in the world and one of the most significant markets for K-Pop. There are several K-Pop bands that promote in China and even have Chinese members." + +Pop singers such as Song Yuqi, Aurora, Wang Yiren, NingNing, Shen Xiaoting, Ginny, and Kpop bands such as Exo, Blackpink, Bigbang, Girls Generation, T-ara, 2NE1, iKON, Winner, NEXT, TFBOYS and many other singers and bands completely dominate the cultural industry of Chinese music and all of it expresses a degenerative culture of promiscuity, radical feminism and consumerism. The idols within these bands wear what we would call "western clothes" such as short skirts, any type of designer fashion, and obscene self presentation which is all derived from the framework of a liberalized society or a nation with liberal characteristics. Here are a few examples of the degeneracy that the so called “Chinese Communist Party” fully allows within their society: + +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxzgwJ8tSE0&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fandkonsreichpress.substack.com%2F&feature=emb_title [Embed] +--- 57911387 +>>57911270 +LOL you westerners are so brainwashed. + +Everyone in China know about Tiananmen Square or the "6-4" as we call it. We talked about it every year. It's public knowledge. +Only retarded brainwashed westerners think we don't talk about it. You westerners are really living in a bubble lol. +--- 57911411 +>>57908110 (OP) +The moment a proper counter to ICBMs with nuclear warheads are developed. That's when war will break out. + +The situation has not changed since the Cold War. People in power still don't want to be nuked, no matter how much more power they want. +--- 57911528 +>>57911387 +>no u the 1 hu brain is washed my brain is a never wash +--- 57911634 +>>57911237 +You have to have 9x the crewmen for said ship and China is actually headed for a demographic bust. +India has already surpassed China in population and will probably become more popular for industrialists as they look to back away from China. +The chinks are on their way to return to their natural state, which is to say the Asian sick man. +--- 57911788 +>>57911634 +>muh demographics meme +Manufacturing are in China because of automation and infrastructure it's not moving away lol. +--- 57911795 +>>57911788 +Tell yourself that. +--- 57911830 +>>57910899 +Germany spent a decade and a half preparing a war economy and suffered anyway, Russia spent 9 years after their last fuckup trying to harden their reserves to dodge sanctions and is suffering anyway, while China has not decoupled in any meaningful way or begun any hardening measures (it's actually trying to "open up" again and begging the EU to invest while the US shutters investment) +these situations are not the same +--- 57911871 +>>57911795 +LOL +--- 57911894 +>>57911216 +read a little bit about who the players are in the Horn of Africa. There's something popping off every year and they all hate each other. +--- 57911900 +>>57908656 +what are you gonna do about it chicom? +--- 57912084 +>>57908110 (OP) +>Is war unavoidable or is it just /k/ommando warmongering? If yes, how far in the future are we talking about and started by who and for what reason? +Year 7 of the two week US-offensive to recapture the Donbass +--- 57912112 +>>57908110 (OP) +"war" +Welcome to Cold War II Electric Boogaloo. It's already started. +Be on the guard for hawk douchebags wanting to send your sons to die in some hellhole over unobtainium. +--- 57912194 +>>57911216 +Brazil here, we can sell you food and bunda. +--- 57912233 +The people in Taiwan have carefully observed what happened in Hong Kong and they want none of that. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep their democratic freedoms. It's up to the US to give them these tools. Right now the US should be flooding Taiwan with Stinger missiles, AT-4s and Javelins, these will be instrumental in repelling Chinese landing parties, as well as coastal AShm batteries and cruise missiles to strike directly at Chinese ports in case they decide to launch an invasion. +--- 57912275 +>>57908110 (OP) +story time + +so im travelling in new zeland and in a hostel in auckland i met a chinese guy who just moved to nz, hopefully permanently, from chnina because he doesnt want to live the life of a slave. + +me and the boys took him to hist first rave, got him stoned for the first time, etc,etc. + +on top of this we had a tonne of politicla chats, which totally blew his mind and he repeatedly told me he would probably imprisoned for a loooong time for the stuff we discussed if he was back home. + +guy was super smart and well educated, 27 years old. + +so i asked him directly 'will china invade taiwan' and without a moments hesitation he said yes. he said the media in china is very clearly and openly laying the groundwork for an invasion in terms of public opinion. theres constant propagandising about how taiwan has always historically been part of china (ironically it was a dutch colony before the chinese ever showed up, and the original chinese colonists to arrive there were basically pirates, its fascinating). it also goes very hard on how the government of taiwan are puppets of the usa nd not chinese at all and how the people of taiwan all want to be reunited with china. + +he basically said the question is if china will attack taiwan but when. + +so yea there you go +--- 57912875 +>>57912275 +>but when +Simple, when the US will get dragged into the war +--- 57912884 +>>57912233 +>Right now the US should be flooding Taiwan with Stinger missiles, AT-4s and Javelins, these will be instrumental in repelling Chinese landing parties, as well as coastal AShm batteries and cruise missiles to strike directly at Chinese ports in case they decide to launch an invasion. +Get btfo by drone swarms +--- 57912912 +>>57912884 +get btfo by emp +--- 57913142 +>>57912912 +>doesn't understand Faraday cage +--- 57913551 +>>57913142 +Not them but I literally don’t can I get a rundown? +--- 57914826 +>>57910998 +Were aftermath pictures of the guy that ate the hatch at 0:13 ever released or leaked? +--- 57914920 +>>57910980 +t. +--- 57914942 +>>57908656 +every country in the world belongs to america +--- 57914954 +>>57908572 +Are NEETbux paid out in cash these days? +--- 57914964 +>>57909411 +god I'd give anything for something to happen that would take out the chip industry. imagine something happens in Taiwan, then the us decides to strike on chinese chip factories, and then the changs working at intel sabotage it and we're set back two decades in chip manufacturing. I woulc cream my pants for forty days and forty nights straight +--- 57914978 +>>57910772 +OHHH BAT SOUP YOU WAN BAT SOUP FIVE DORRAA OHHHHHH +--- 57915022 +>>57910929 +Is the bot down? +--- 57915047 +>>57908110 (OP) +If chinks attack now - or murricans bait them into doing so - it'll most likely be a convincing western victory against its only real geopolitical rival that will ossify the current world order for at least two decades. +It remains to be seen whether a military victory would be as likely in 10-20 years. The direct costs would almost certainly be higher. +china wants more influence in their corner of the world, especially over highly developed countries like japan or skorea. for now they cannot lean on them. chinks were also indoctrinated since birth that annexing taiwan (in whatever way) is Extremely Important. a war is also great for drastically lowering internal instability and china's government is in a more precarious position than usual + +basically both sides can gain significantly from the conflict, depending on how it goes. arguably the west gains more, as china (for now) still has some years of easy growth and is positioned to gain significant control over russia/siberian resources while the west is less dominant than in the preceding decades. +on the other hand it is also possible (if not very likely) that the west gets its shit together while chinks go into demographic issues, which would mean china will be contained for a looong time, hence for them rolling the dice now might be a reasonable bet - not unlike russia going for ukraine. +--- 57915059 +>>57908110 (OP) +Both nations are economically dependant on each other, war is unlikely. But not impossible. With the Taiwan tensions and inevitable sanctions due to Weapons sales to the ruskies things could get shaken up. +--- 57915242 +>>57915059 +>Both nations are economically dependant on each other, war is unlikely +and russia will never attack oinkraine, what with being wildly dependent on the west despite all muh autarky cope +--- 57915252 +>>57908916 +Is that from Fringe? +--- 57915255 +>>57910946 + +And why would Ukraine ever want to join Russia, there is nothing that Russia offers compared to the West diff --git a/k/57908341.txt b/k/57908341.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ff2266264cbd7950291f40ffbe6f56025910b538 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908341.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +----- +--- 57908341 +Are P80s dead? I had the urge to build a new one and I forgot about all that Biden bullshit. Really starting to wish I hadn't given away my last kit to my nephew for his Birthday. I've been searching online and I can find some but they never include the jig or the parts and apparently you have to drill a lot more now? Fucking dumb. They're back ordered or out of stock on all the sites I trust. Anyone know anything and willing to share info about new regulations or whatever? +--- 57908431 +>>57908341 (OP) +you're right, OP. I am entirely demoralized +It's so fucking over, theres no point in p80 anymore. +If you're keeping track or reporting to your boss, you've successfully demoralized one person this hour +--- 57908448 +>>57908341 (OP) +Stop making democrats look bad goy +--- 57908908 +>>57908431 +I'm demoralized too anon. At least this stuff will eventually get overturned, until then we gotta wait. +--- 57908945 +>>57908431 +me too :( +--- 57909038 +>>57908341 (OP) +As you haven't been keeping up here's the rundown: +Atf made a confusing rule even they didn't understand. +Turned out they just didn't want jigs sold with 80%s. +Giffords and the mom's who need action bitched up a storm. +The atf "clarified" that glock clone 80s were also prohibited. +Polymer80 made a 76% brige frame they didn't get permission for but their lawyers assured them was permissible according to the clarification of the new ruling. +Polymer 80 got a federal injunction against the ruling and has gone back to sell original p80s with jigs. +The court case looks good but it isn't guaranteed. + +So you can buy p80s for $70 and jigs for $30 directly, they say backorder, but I got two pf45s from them weeks ago. Noqtr80 and freedomunlimited have frames and jigs in stock as well. + +Please don't be a hoodrat, the more I see of people trying to make these the more I start to agree that the difficulty is too low. +--- 57909076 +>>57909038 +Awesome, thanks for the info dump. This is just a project I like to do every now and then and share with others who want to learn. Feels amazing to take a pistol to the range that you assembled yourself. +--- 57909088 +>>57908341 (OP) +80% arms got an injunction to sell the old style frames GST-2 I think it is now. On top of that look it up but I think P80 and some other small company now have an injunction against the AFT from enforcing the dick head rule. All great signs the rule will eventually be tossed. P80 sold out instantly the day that happened and may have re stoked, the old 80% not the 76%. Don't expect any sales. + +I might snag an all white GST frame to dye if any are left. I'd say in 12-18 months P80s will be everywhere and on sale again. Then maybe the unicorn, the white Strike 80 frame. +--- 57909257 +Anyway to ensure you are getting the 80 over 76? +--- 57909313 +>>57909257 +reading descriptions +anyways if you mistakenly buy a 76 p80 will sell you an actual p80 for 25 bucks. you can keep your garbage 76 you dont have to mail it back for a refund or anything. its for those people who supported them and bought the 76 +--- 57909416 +>>57909313 +Nice +--- 57909670 +Any news on the GST-9 Mod 1? Seems like it's back ordered and out of stock everywhere. I want a p80 glock 19 clone but with a longer grip and it seems the only option is the GST. +--- 57909928 +I had one and I fucking hated it god damnit I hate myself so much +--- 57912031 +>>57909928 +Messed up the holes? +--- 57913304 +>>57908341 (OP) +i machined the polymer and sanded it smooth and thought i did a pretty decent job.. the tolerances are shit for the G19 parts kit, feels too tight and people say to just shoot it and itll loosen up. maybe im retarded but i didnt enjoy my P80 experience +--- 57913357 +>>57913304 +The rails are kinda gay. Either spend time with them and sand them smooth or buy the not gay rails from 3d print fag shops. Places like rook tactical and I believe jsd supply was getting into it and even selling kits that ripped out the factory rails for thiers. +--- 57913817 +I wanted to make some of these but compared to the price of just buying a dagger or sct19 lower it wasn't cost effective and I'd have to do more work so I said fuck it and got the sct19 lowers with brownell's g19 lower kits. Have a dagger slide coming so hope it doesn't suck. + +Yeah I know the point is to have an unreg gun but whatever, I'm not that desperate at the moment. +--- 57914116 +>>57913817 +Daggers are very nice. They currently have that deal going where you get the compact and longer grip frame for 120. They're both complete so you need to go through an ffl but I have a few with different slides and few meme ones. +--- 57914190 +>>57909038 +I really want to like these p80 kits. Hell my brother has their g19 version (not saying it's stupid name) and it's fine. Yet I feel some sort of sketchiness with the kits. It's only the p80 kits that give me that gut feeling. +--- 57914255 +>>57913817 +I hunted deals and was putting them together for about $250 per gun shipped, people complain about cheap parts but mine work well so far. +--- 57914402 +>>57913304 +I wanted to push a little more into this gun hobby so P80 seemed like a perfect way to do it +Is there really no redeeming quality to making a P80 +--- 57915328 +>>57913304 +>>57913357 +>>57914402 +Reinforcing this. The polymer frame is good. The rails seem to be source of most people's frustration. On mine, the front rail was out of square and I literally had to hit the bottom leg with a hammer to get it to square up and sit straight in the frame. The jig also a weak link, if you have a drill press, use it, even though the instructions tell you not to. Specifically, the firing mechanism holes at the rear of the grip. The radius of the grip will deflect the drill bit off center and the soft plastic of the jig does nothing to prevent this. I spent a ton of time correcting manufacturing mistakes that I shouldn't have had to on a kit that cost 130+. As a project, it's not very rewarding. But I have an unregistered G26, so whatever that's worth. diff --git a/k/57908579.txt b/k/57908579.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dc4030c5bb24aa5195be4be372a469328bccfd3a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908579.txt @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +----- +--- 57908579 +There's no reason why not. +--- 57908607 +If there wasn't a reason for it not to be it would've been adopted. Dumbass. +--- 57908662 +>>57908607 +Whoa buddy who pissed in your cereal. +>I own an MX carbine for home defense +--- 57908665 +you cant adopt pixels +--- 57908891 +>>57908665 +Is this bullpup +--- 57908895 +>>57908579 (OP) +>thinking that is a good rifle +>at all +--- 57908938 +>>57908579 (OP) +they should've adopted this +--- 57909042 +>>57908579 (OP) +>Meme cartridge size in between 5.56 and 7.62 +No. +--- 57909103 +>>57908579 (OP) +Should be .338 +--- 57909106 +>>57909042 +So what should you think it should fire +--- 57909153 +>>57909106 +--- 57909228 +>>57909106 +.338 lol +--- 57910373 +>>57908579 (OP) +It's not made by Sig. There's your reason why not. +--- 57910670 +>>57910373 +Who made it +--- 57910680 +>>57908579 (OP) +I just love me my MXM +--- 57912235 +>>57910680 +I'll give you it +--- 57912323 +>>57908579 (OP) +>straight mags +but why? +--- 57912333 +>>57909042 +fucking hell why do firearm companies keep doing this? + +no one is going to adopt your rifle if it means replacing billions of doallrs of ammunition that has been stockpiled over decades and completely retooling ammunitino factories + +its fucking stupid +--- 57912346 +>>57912323 +"Caseless" +--- 57912383 +>>57912346 +ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh + +so its a meme +--- 57913064 +>>57908665 +How would that thing work? +--- 57913284 +>>57908579 (OP) +I always liked it, it looks handy. The only weird thing is NATO forces in Arma seems to issue a 10" barrel as standard, and the carbine looks to be 6" or 7"; just going by the length of the AFG. Consider its still able to outrange and outdamage 5.56 with those barrel lengths, that must be some pissing hot and ultra efficiently burning powder. Also strange that the MG has an LR300-style folding stock, suggesting the MX doesn't use a buffer tube, which begs the question of why the others aren't folding, especially the carbine. Not a big deal though, the new FN 6.8 rifle is pretty damn close; just needs straight mags and an UBR stock. +--- 57913330 +>>57908579 (OP) +CMMG actually designed the fucking things for ARMA(the guns are branded CMMG in the game) but they never even bothered actually producing a 5.56 or .308 version + +Why? Are they homosexual? +--- 57913669 +>>57913330 +Too much trouble, with zero guarantee of profit. Its a whole new gun, whereas previously they've only made iterations on ARs. The furthest they've pushed the boat out was the Mutant, which used off the shelf AR10 internals in a custom receiver and still took a while to come to market. Id buy an MX, but I doubt anybody other than arma fans would find it appealing. Considering the mk47 was about 1300, an MX with all proprietary parts would easily break 2k and at that price range there are much more established 5.56s and 7.62s like XCRs and Brens to choose from. +--- 57914328 +>>57912333 +hey retard the specs for the ngsw program literally told them to adopt 6.8 diff --git a/k/57908584.txt b/k/57908584.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..60a960d871e08564116bb76f6d00b2a7148e5407 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908584.txt @@ -0,0 +1,634 @@ +----- +--- 57908584 +10 Minutes of fantastic trench warfare footage from the Ukrainian perspective + +https://files.catbox.moe/ey49y9.mp4 + +I always though the green tape signified TDF, but the guys here are using a higher level of equipment and training. It's nice to see that they had reasonably clear and calm communication while an assault was right on top of them +--- 57908681 +>>57908584 (OP) +The cameraman emerges from his dugout and this is his first encounter, a Russian that throws a grenade at him from several meters away +--- 57908742 +>>57908681 +Either the minor edits cut out the majority of the trench or it's of an odd design. The dugout (which is entirely unfurnished) opens out into a foxhole that could possibly fit 3 men. The camera man needs to crawl out the back so he can get a clear shot at the nearby Russians +--- 57908766 +>>57908742 +This is said dugout +--- 57908821 +>>57908766 +Everyone piles out and takes up various position around and on top of the dugout. The initial attack appeared to come from directly opposite the entrance, which the cameraman is currently sat on top of. He's now facing 90 degrees to the right. + +I think that's enough info to please the lazy and start some sort of discussion. It's some genuinely interesting footage +--- 57908830 +>>57908821 +--- 57909090 +>>57908584 (OP) +I’m not pro russian, but the hohols seem rather untrained, cowardly ducking down and shooting overhead without looking, except this raid leader that pretty much solo the whole mission. +I think the russians are winning the engagement overall. +--- 57909122 +>>57909090 +>I think the russians are winning the engagement overall. + +Did you miss all Vatniks laying face down in the dirt? The guy with the camera was definitely running the show though. I would assume the others are probably pretty green still. Definitely not a good thing they got that close without being noticed first. +--- 57909127 +The Ukrainians have some kind of controller/observer? A UAV giving them feedback, where to look and also advising them not to fire on a friendly trench. +This shit is wild. Some very high tech mixed in with a landscape from a World War. All conducted by men who can see their enemy but it's so chaotic there's tons of rounds flying with few hits. +--- 57909163 +>>57909090 +Lol of course you would do better, right? +--- 57909169 +>>57909127 +In one of the frames where he is looking up you can see a small speck in the air. That's the UAV. I can't remember when but it was shown in a previous thread. +--- 57909187 +>>57909122 +>Definitely not a good thing they got that close without being noticed first. + +What's missing from the video is the artillery barrage they were hiding from. The vatniks crept that close under the cover of artillery. +--- 57909197 +>>57909090 +tell us, oh wise one, how you would have done things differently. grace us with your knowledge +--- 57909212 +>>57909090 +>bunch of dead Russians +>Ukrainians hold the position +>"Russia won this one" +--- 57909221 +>>57908584 (OP) +>orcs +--- 57909244 +>>57909212 +>not pro russian btw +--- 57909303 +>>57909090 +Is this you? +--- 57909328 +>>57908584 (OP) + +Armchair enthusiast here, +Wouldnt it make sense it have a drone on standby to avoid this scenario? + +I know you get shelled on daily basis, but flying out a drone or having even a camera to watch outside could probably help +--- 57909353 +>>57908584 (OP) +Thank you for this OP, this is probably the best footage I've seen of this war since the trench guy a few weeks ago. Some timestamps from the first five minutes I've watched thus far +>1:00 attack begins +>1:50 ukrainians start shooting back, russian throws grenade +>2:20 ukrainian with balls of depleted uranian climbs out of foxhole onto a berm, kills/wounds three russians visible on camera +>4:10 mortar strike hits around 30-40 metres behind camera man +>5:20 camera man shoots russian in trench around 20-40 metres to his right + + +Thoughts on the camera man's weapon system? He's using some generic AR variant with a 1x holo sight and a suppressor on his muzzle. What purpose is there for having a suppressor in such an environment? I thought suppressors were terrible for situations like this with many rounds expended because they gunk up the rifle with carbon extremely fast, so they're normally only used in situations where few rounds will be shot. Any anons figure why he has one attached? +--- 57909367 +>>57909328 +with the amount of lads just sitting in the shelter they for sure should have had a drone of their own, but coms with their off site drone operator seems to work somewhat ok +--- 57909371 +>>57909328 + +I'm slightly retarded, +at 5min they talk to observer who's on drone probably. +Still, a bigger advance notice wouldnt hurt +--- 57909376 +>>57909328 +Drones have very low survivability +--- 57909383 +Does everyone in ukraine have a silencer? +--- 57909400 +>>57909367 +Their dugout is barren and does not look like it links up with a trench network. I assume piling guys out night not have been an option +--- 57909414 +>>57908584 (OP) +>>57908821 +>>57909090 +>>57909127 +>>57909122 +>>57909328 +The trenchline was clearly shelled to shit by the russians, as can be judged by the fresh damage to the trees, preventing the ukrainians from shooting back until the russians were close and the artillery barrage stopped. This could also explain the behaviour of the ukrainians around the cameraman, who are clearly slow to respond to his commands. They could be poorly trained and a little green, but their actions are equally explainable by simply being totally disorientated from a protracted shelling session. + +On that note OP, would you or anybody have the original footage that includes them being shelled? It's clear that between the 1 minute and 2 minute mark of the video there's been a significant cut in footage which I assume is when the shelling happened. I would be curious to see how bad the shelling was and how the ukrainians in the dugout reacted. +--- 57909417 +>>57909353 +>What purpose is there for having a suppressor in such an environment? I thought suppressors were terrible for situations like this with many rounds expended because they gunk up the rifle with carbon extremely fast, so they're normally only used in situations where few rounds will be shot. Any anons figure why he has one attached? +Suppressors are quickly becoming standard issue in first world militaries and I guess we sent them plenty. Suppressors +>protect your own hearing +>increase your ability to communicate with your squad +>make it (slightly) harder for the enemy to locate you by sound/muzzle flash +As for gunking the rifle up it only tends to happen if the suppressor/barrel length/round don't match up well and the rifle is overgassed, if everything is set up properly it doesn't add too much maintenance +--- 57909421 +>>57909353 +Probably had it on for allowing them to be less observable during non assaults if they need to put some rounds into a scouting group of mobliks and either didn't remove it because of time or wanted to have better hearing for communication and keep his shots distinct from the AKs of the Russians to minimize chances of friendly fire. +--- 57909436 +>>57909353 +might want to avoid heavy hearing protection so he can communicate effectively with the boys, seeing as he is constantly directing the squad and they are not wearing electronic hearing aid with comms +--- 57909445 +>>57908584 (OP) +damn isn't war fucking crazy? I hope the two parties can come to peace so that more young men don't die. +--- 57909455 +>>57908584 (OP) +Same guys in between the fights https://files.catbox.moe/njp9qw.mp4 +--- 57909459 +one of the best videos so far, goddamn +--- 57909470 +>>57909414 +Apparently this is the original + +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzL3rUfF_wY [Embed] + +I can’t view it though +--- 57909477 +>0:36 +Evil HATO mercenaries or old marking? +--- 57909478 +>>57909353 +Suppressors can be built tough. He’s got a M4, not a M240. He needs to communicate with his men and anyone else on the radio and have proper situational awareness to do so. +Slapping a can in his rifle is a good way to avoid hearing damage and to make the conditions to do his duty more tolerable. +>>57909414 +>>57909090 +IIRC I think some of these guys were TDF units operating with the Da Vinci unit. +--- 57909494 +>>57909417 +>>57909421 +>>57909436 +Thank you anons, very good responses. I'm looking at the footage and it seems like the AR/Suppressor combo is shared by multiple other individuals in the unit so it must be standard issue for them, very cool that a ukrainian unit gets such mint gear. + +Also can we talk about the cameraman? Even the shameless vatnik in this post >>57909090 acknowledges it, the cameraman has balls of steel. Under small arms and sporadic mortar fire, he exits a foxhole, kills three russians at extremely short range, rallies the unit to cover each flank, and coordinates with other nearby units to respond effectively . Fucking ALLY +--- 57909499 +>>57909477 +Probably happily left the flag on because they're happy the US is bankrolling the ork extermination policy. There's been plenty of pictures of Ukrainians running around with the old stars and bars, probably because it makes the Russians angry and what's war without a little trolling? +--- 57909502 +A note, the man is saying 'pidor,' which is basically 'pedo faggot' or just 'faggot,' not orc. +--- 57909516 +>>57909499 +>old stars and bars +Stars and stripes. Stars & bars is either the Confederate flag or their battle flag. +--- 57909520 +>>57909477 +A lot of American brands sell their gear with patches +--- 57909523 +>>57909478 +>IIRC I think some of these guys were TDF units operating with the Da Vinci unit. +So in the leaks it was discussed how the Ukrainians had trouble keeping the corridor to Bakhmut open and requested help from another Ukrainian force to hold it open. Is the Ukrainian military so splintered that the army needs to request help from the TDF? I thought the TDF was supposed to be lower quality overall +--- 57909530 +>>57909499 +America could do much more, but I guess they are too busy stuffing themselves with fentanyl and burgers. +--- 57909535 +>9:09 +>what's up orcs, it's our field, fuck off + +lmao +--- 57909545 +>>57909523 +I believe that was the head of the SBU advising they send Kraken, the SOF branch of Azov. Not really the army requesting help, more like the CIA recommending the army sends more troops +--- 57909550 +>>57909535 +>orcs +Sounded more like he was yelling "faggot bitches" or something. +--- 57909551 +>>57908584 (OP) +Commander of Gonor says he wants to buy AR10 and a new scope for Tihiy, whoever wants can donate to that +Also said there's gonna be more videos +https://twitter.com/DzevelinB +--- 57909557 +>>57909545 +That makes a lot more sense +--- 57909561 +>>57909523 +It's a war for the survival of their country retard, they're going to call in whoever and whatever they need to get the mission done. Fucking brainless vatnik. Shall I bring up that your country is currently having to bring in T fucking 55 tanks to make up for the fact that over half of your prewar tank stockpile is now either blown up or in a ukrainian captured goods warehouse? + +>>57908584 (OP) +>9:55 +>*screaming +>Hey Orcs +>*explosion directly in front* +>It's our field blyat +based +--- 57909568 +>>57909502 +>Oh no, Ukrainian fighters calling russians pee-door-s which mean fagot. Aren't they want to be part of the Europe which condemns such a behavior!? +--- 57909584 +>>57909550 +Yea, I'm just laughing at the subtitles, but it's the same message. +--- 57909592 +>>57909561 +Very kino +--- 57909626 +>>57908584 (OP) +>literally screaming this is our swamp at the enemy +wagner got Shrek'd +--- 57909631 +>>57909122 +There were 6 in the place originally, one KIA, one ends up heavily shellshocked from that last blast, possibly combat inneffective. + +The SL moved up to the forward trench because the spotter drone spotted an impending attack, he was obviously in the rear trench with the spotter which is why he knew he would be needed. +With the guy with him that makes 8 (7+kia) on that side, we can assume there is another group in another dugout to the right. + +They were in the dugout were hiding from a previous massed artillery/tank barrage, with one RPG or shell having literally just hit the entrance to the dugout, the men in there are probably feeling trapped and suppressed unlike the two that just arrived. + +The SL and one other shot from the side hole, and then another third joining him shooting without looking, with him pushing out and around and the other two holding that position looking forward. + +The other four are in the dugout likely engaging on the other side likely shooting out of the side hole, or waiting to come out the smaller hole on the right with the SL. +I would argue perhaps 2-3 are not doing a lot, but one is probably shocked due to concussion so possible 2 not doing much. + +That's 4 combat effective, one concussive WIA, one KIA, and two less effective. Which isn't actually that bad considering the state of most armies under such extreme situations. + +But also, in war, one or two hypercompetent people in a hundred get most of the kills in an infantry war. This is just the nature of infantry. +--- 57909656 +>>57909631 +>But also, in war, one or two hypercompetent people in a hundred get most of the kills in an infantry war. This is just the nature of infantry. +>"Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. +>Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back" +>t.Heraclitus +--- 57909682 +>orcs +>orcs +>orcs + +he's literally saying 'faggot' through all of this +--- 57909723 +>>57909682 +cant offend the western snowflakes or they will pull the funding +--- 57909724 +>>57908584 (OP) +>dig trench +>jump into trench +>enemy directs accurate shelling onto trench and assaults +>run out of trench leaving it to the enemy +>enemy now stuck in trench and you kill em +--- 57909730 +>>57909631 +is this their kia? +--- 57909740 +>>57909682 +Yeah and captioning your video with two dozen faggots is a good way to make sure no one ever gets to watch it. +--- 57909775 +10:50-51 +--- 57909788 +>>57909328 +There is a drone overhead, anon. +--- 57909812 +>>57908584 (OP) +Damn, Lekha got his shit rocked about a minute in. Seems like he was okay for the most part though, but probably still not very pleasant. +--- 57909814 +>>57909477 +A lot of donated gear still has old markings like I remember one of the earliest stugna vids had a Ukie in a Canadian uniform still with Canadian markings on it. +--- 57909845 +>>57908584 (OP) +>M4s shredding orcs +If only Eugene could've lived to see it. Sure it isn't the M16 but it's close enough in spirit. +--- 57909876 +>>57909730 +I think so yes. +Norman I think his name is. +--- 57909887 +>>57909328 +I think when he's talking to "Filya", it's a drone operator telling him where enemies are. +--- 57909895 +>>57909551 +Yea, I'm sure donation bucks will certainly go towards that lol +--- 57909897 +>>57909631 +You've well and truly armchaired the discussion to death +--- 57909921 +>>57909090 +>I’m not pro russian +>but it seems like the russians are winning this engagement where they were all killed on camera +--- 57909932 +>>57909897 +I never said I was anything but an armchair anon. But it's good that you understand. +If I was to change anything I would change the original "shellshock" to concussion. +--- 57909938 +>>57909895 +where else will it go? +--- 57909996 +>>57909551 +>10 wagners a day +Lmao +>Vortex Razor x10 scope +Based +--- 57910112 +War is hell. I noticed the camera guy was shooting branches and shit unaware of his muzzle and optic height differences. +--- 57910225 +>>57909477 +Ukrainians love wearing American flags for the same reason they love German WWII stuff - because it triggers vantiks and the Ukies think it's funny +--- 57910383 +>>57908584 (OP) +>spends two full mags on a dead russian +Why? Does he have infinite ammo? +--- 57910422 +>>57908681 +Someone has to make a short gif of the grenade throw it was mint +--- 57910432 +>>57909730 +He is just taking a mid-battle nap. +--- 57910435 +>>57910383 +It's to make sure that faggot is dead +--- 57910445 +>>57910383 +If you watch later into the video, he's talking to the drone operator who tells them to nade a guy who they thought was shot dead because he was still alive and shooting at them. Bullets are cheap, and making sure no vatnik gets to use their martyr perk is worth it. +--- 57910449 +>>57910383 +Russians love pretending to be dead and if he was dying but not dead yet he could still yolo throw a grenade. Plus it's always fun shooting a russian so its not really a waste in the end. +--- 57910702 +>>57909730 +body was there when video started, +at 0:30 you can see it on right, burried under rubble +--- 57911097 +Why don't these guys make scarecrows of wagnerites? Get all Vlad on them. +--- 57911121 +>>57909303 +Fuck you grave digger. +--- 57911123 +>>57908584 (OP) +>I always though the green tape signified TDF +Nah, the story I've heard is that they just started using green tape because a certain local unit once didn't have enough blue/yellow and it stuck. Don't think the tape color has any meaning +--- 57911138 +>>57910383 +>Why? Does he have infinite ammo? +>USA just announced they're sending 9 million more rounds of small arms ammo +Yes +--- 57911160 +>>57910383 +I got told all the time in the army that until you've advanced past the corpses of the bad guys they're still legitimate targets +--- 57911180 +don't even care enough to past the link in a new tab. kill them or die. whichever. just hurry it up +--- 57911197 +>>57909090 +no kidding. enough with the ducking bullshit, coward. stand up straight in an orderly line or don't even bother +--- 57911200 +>>57909494 +>AR/Suppressor combo is shared by multiple other individuals in the unit so it must be standard issue for them, very cool that a ukrainian unit gets such mint gear. +Ukrainian made suppressors cost less than $100 a pop and work really great, especially for the price. I could buy myself one but didn't want my rifle to be heavier and bulkier, as I was a drone operator and never really shot at the enemy +--- 57911245 +>>57909494 +Meh, the cameraman always survive, that’s like a cheatcode. A helmet gopro on a combatant is unfair, and probably is a violation of the geneva convention by causing confusion with a press reporter. +--- 57911257 +>>57909535 +It's even funnier than just a field because he said "posadka" which means a tiny strip of trees planted along the roads. "Posadkas" are really staple of this war, as they allow to hide the movement, defensive points and ambushes, and most of the local battles are done to either control or delete "posadkas" +--- 57911281 +>>57909494 +Five Russians, but supposedly it was 7 total. With the help of his buddy the grenade man goes down fast, the the three outside the trench, he domes the one in the right trench just walking around. +The video is too crap for me to see the two on the right he supposedly got that were fleeing, but he claims 7 in the description +--- 57911294 +>>57911180 +You're mising out retard. +--- 57911306 +>>57911123 +Green tape is just rotational, they change it, or use different colours on different fronts to try and weed out Russians trying to seak through the lines comitting perfidy. +--- 57911313 +>>57911294 +i doubt it. probably pretty similar to the hundreds and thousands of others that have been posted. look at these guys get shot! wow, neat! +--- 57911347 +>>57911257 +Crazy to see how fucked everything looks now on the field in that video. Gonna be wild to see how these areas look in 20 or 30 years time. +--- 57911359 +Crazy how much effort it can take just to stop so few men. That terrain is a blown up hell hole so there's simultaneously a lot of places and very few places to hide, depending on where you are. Those Russians getting caught in the direction of the field were fucked and had zero cover. +>>57911313 +Its some of the clearest combat footage we've had this war. Not only is it not filled with jump cuts, its also got a lot of direct sight to the enemies he's shooting at, plus a lot of teamwork between the drone operator, the leader, and his team. +--- 57911426 +>>57911313 +Do you not like watching people get shot? +Is there something wrong? +You are on /k/ after all. +--- 57911434 +>>57911426 +they're not american traitors. i couldn't care less about russia or ukraine +--- 57911592 +>>57908584 (OP) +why do the russians not have a machine gun suppressing the for the attack? +--- 57911649 +>>57911434 +Anon, you need a hobby, and this is a hobby board. +--- 57911650 +>>57911592 +That's a too advanced concept for vatniks to master. +--- 57911653 +>>57911592 +They're mobiks/wagner. Those dudes get dogshit for equipment. +--- 57911673 +>>57911180 +>Paste into a new tab +--- 57911698 +They're probably going to show this video to future infantrymen as a perfect example of keeping your cool under the heat of battle. +--- 57911702 +>>57909353 +> 5:20 camera man shoots russian in trench around 20-40 metres to his right +He seems to one tap him from what I saw, he takes his time and takes a single shot which I think hits his head and the guy collapses in a typical CNS shot way +--- 57911707 +>>57911426 +I guess you have zero interest in combat footage in general +--- 57911710 +>>57911653 +a machine gun is luxury equipment for wagner? +something is wrong here. +now that i think about it, the ukies dont have an MG either. +--- 57911757 +>>57909414 +At the very beginning (~0:45), in the little dugout they have, the guy in the very back is either completely exhausted or shellshocked. Slack-jawed thousand yard stare. +--- 57911781 +>>57908584 (OP) +Those subtitles +>orcs on the 1 o'clock +--- 57911792 +>>57911710 +Russians would have had to plop down their MG in the middle of a field with zero cover to try and keep the Ukranians supressed which doesn't work so well when you've got drone overwatch, while the Ukies pretty clearly were forced to abandon their planned fighting positions from the artillery barrage that destroyed the trenchworks and so probably didn't have enough time to get it out and deployed. Not saying that either had it, just that even if both sides did, they are reasons it might not have appeared as such on video. +--- 57911800 +>>57909090 +This. +--- 57911805 +>>57911757 +he is concussed, the chad leader guy gives an interview about the vid somewhere else +--- 57911818 +>>57909631 +>But also, in war, one or two hypercompetent people in a hundred get most of the kills in an infantry war. +>hypercompetent +*lucky +--- 57911820 +>>57911710 +oh also this is Gonor Group of Da Vinci Wolves battalion, they're self financed/donations volunteers, hence the guns +--- 57911885 +>>57909895 +He's in a war zone taking scalps, what else would he be buying? +--- 57911888 +>>57908584 (OP) +With the money we're giving I feel like every dugout and trench should have a bag of m67 grenades, RPGs by the boatload and belt-feds raining from the sky. These guys seemed very under-gunned. Lots of suppressors though, huh? +--- 57911930 +>>57911781 +I can't help but notice the subtitles say orc but the soldier says pidor +--- 57911936 +>>57909328 +You can literally see a drone overhead and he is talking to the drone operator over the radio. Are you retarded? +--- 57911948 +>>57909477 +Many tacticool Aliexpress backpacks come with US Flag patches. +--- 57911959 +>>57911820 +i guess.... +i suppose it would be kinda hard to find a MG in 5.56 on the open market instead of some african surplus RPK +--- 57911974 +>>57911888 +Suppressors avert hearing damage and should be encouraged but were not because of silly civilians. +--- 57912022 +>>57911888 +>wasting all your money on infantry equipment +>and not high quality long range AA and precision arty + +Is your understanding of warfare based only on call of duty or what? +--- 57912039 +>>57911888 +Equipping an army of 700,000 drip feed style with constant attrition and targeted logistics lines is probably quite difficult +--- 57912088 +These guys will be dead in a week, Jewlinsky is doing a great job genociding his own people, he can retire to Israel once the war is officially lost. +--- 57912096 +Camera guy is pretty impressive +--- 57912097 +>>57912022 +Why not both? That's the true American way. I'm a battlefield guy anyways and that franchise was killed. +--- 57912154 +>>57909353 +He's got a magnifier on his holographic sight. +--- 57912173 +>>57908584 (OP) +Absolutely fucking insane footage. This guy is a great squad leader and he has balls of steel. +--- 57912186 +>>57909523 +The TDF are a branch of the armed forces, its not different from calling for help from the Air Force or Navy. +--- 57912193 +>>57911592 +The guys wielding PKM will always be the first to be shot at, maybe they had one but he died +--- 57912223 +>>57908584 (OP) +Fucking christ that looks like hell +--- 57912237 +>>57911818 +Luck and skill tend to go hand in hand anon. +If he didn't push out when he did, he would have died to the assualt anyway. +--- 57912247 +>>57912186 +More akin to the Army asking for help from the National Guard in a defensive war in the Nasty Girl's state, but not that crazy, yes. +--- 57912252 +>>57911707 +You replied to the wrong guy. +--- 57912281 +>>57912247 +it's not even that, they cycled out a lot of regulars from bakhmut and replaced them with tdf intentionally. They've not been just pouring men in like vatniks want to hink +--- 57912313 +>>57908584 (OP) +>7:50 +>Body covered by dirt and tree limbs. +He's going to be dug up in 40 years like the bodies that get found by artifact hunters on WWII battlefields. +--- 57912315 +>>57911649 +i do. i worked. i lifted. i made a nice pasta with some homemade sauce using grape tomatoes. i made some caesar salad dressing, the same way grandpa did. i'm now vomiting some bile on the board for a bit and them i'm off for the night, fella. +--- 57912351 +>>57909221 +hey its juggalo rapper ABK +--- 57913878 +>>57908584 (OP) +That cameraman/primary guy has fucking BALLS of gigantic steel. Dude has his own orbit with how big is balls are. This is one of the few videos I've seen where I can see up close footage of the gear/guns and actual bodies getting dropped instead of that gay CivDiv bullshit where he's grifting for money. This and that nuggingfutsyuri are the best combat vids I've seen. +--- 57913921 +>>57910702 +that is the same body in the red circle, look at the fucking hand my dood +--- 57913952 +>>57911180 +you are a worthless retard +--- 57913969 +>>57911800 +no, not this. +pidor +--- 57914015 +>>57909090 +>I’m not pro russian, but the hohols +--- 57914111 +>>57910422 +--- 57914544 +if it weren't for the leader i think they'd all be dead +amazing footage +--- 57914717 +>>57909090 +How the fuck do you watch a video of a Russian assault being utterly annihilated by some shell shocked Ukies and come to the conclusion that it is the Russian's who won the engagement? +--- 57914726 +>>57908584 (OP) +Da Vinci wolves are highly motivated, experienced, nationalists , who been fighting since 2014 they are top tier chubs. Their leader got bonked tho so lel +--- 57914880 +>>57909090 +You are rights. I am USA mercenary from Washington DC Oblast and I am demoralized now and want to go home to see next episode of Seinfield in peaceful with my wife. +--- 57914937 +>>57909090 +>I think the russians are winning the engagement overall. +>7 killed vatnigs to 1 ukie +Yeah, considering that main russian goal in this war is to kill as much russians as possible, they are definitely winning. +--- 57914950 +>>57909328 +The guy filming already knew about the infantry assault in progress, but the Russians were still shelling, so they were bunker suppressed. +The video has time cuts, once when he get in the bunker and once later when the call comes in the Russians are suddenly deciding to push, instead of waiting 1 hour in the next trench over. +--- 57914965 +>>57909090 +Those a brand new recruits in the dugout. You can see that it’s mostly kids and 2-3 soldiers who seem experienced. This should be obvious. Green soldiers act the same no matter what colors they wear. He did a good job rallying them as best he could. +--- 57914966 +>>57908584 (OP) +What font do they use for the subtitles? +--- 57914985 +>>57914965 +I think it was a mix of TDF and Gonor group. +Norman (KIA) was from Gonor, later in vid they mention a wounded guy from 100th-something, which I assume is TDF. +Tichyi calls two other guys by nicknames so at least there are 2 more Gonor guys there - I think even their fresh recruits had some experience in Kharkiv operation. +--- 57915014 +I feel so bad for these kids. Waiting out the shelling, dead buddy in your bunker. Russians getting fucking close and you do this day in day out. + +I'm gonna donate more money to their army. Make Russia suck fat chodes. I have white hate for Putin and the Russians doing this. +--- 57915018 +>>57909212 +Just think of the ptsd those Ukrainians are feel from the crazy amount of people they had to kill. Russia playing the long game +--- 57915020 +>>57908584 (OP) +>orcs +Do boomers really think this isn’t cringe? +--- 57915026 +>>57914985 +101st Territorial Defense Brigade +--- 57915039 +>>57915020 +They actually say "faggots" +--- 57915041 +>>57915020 +would you rather we just call them faggots instead to spare your feelings? +--- 57915044 +>>57911792 +>plop down their MG +No. during advance the gunner supports the PK with his left arm on the ammo box and his left elbow press against his ribs - that way you can engage targets by moving your entire torso in an arc and also keeping your eyes on target. +--- 57915048 +>>57908584 (OP) +So are they going to recall the CO of this engagement to train others and boos morale, or keep him in the field? +--- 57915057 +>>57915014 +everyone wants to be a gangster until its time to do ganter shit +--- 57915058 +>>57915020 +Russia has a long history of Tolkien revisionism and associating themselves with fantasy and warhammer orcs though. +They even made Mordor POV LOTR fanfic where Soviet Unio... I mean Mordor is a progressive force for social change and industrial developement in obscurantist feudal Middle Earth. +--- 57915067 +>>57911281 +theres 8th dead russian with dark olive green uniform laying on ground nearby visible at times when hes shooting to the right +--- 57915092 +>>57911888 +suppressors are super popular outside of us +--- 57915100 +>>57915092 +Spetsnaz loves them as well. +Its new meta. +--- 57915104 +>>57909212 +this war in a nutshell +--- 57915143 +>>57915020 +They just call them fags, they translate it to orcs in the subtitles to not upset the western audience +--- 57915193 +>>57915057 +More like "son, your country needs you to step up and be gangsta for freedom. Or you're going to get assraped by Russians". +--- 57915203 +hey girls - dont forget to dilate! +--- 57915215 +>>57915203 +Anon how many manginas do you have saved on your device. +Be honest now. diff --git a/k/57908863.txt b/k/57908863.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..25cd7d339819cde0ef9c47ab97d500ef6750d694 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908863.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 57908863 +Hard mode: No pre made gunparts +--- 57908884 +>>57908863 (OP) +3d print a pistol around it. +--- 57908925 +>>57908863 (OP) +--- 57908937 +>>57908863 (OP) +staplegun acts as firing pin and breach +bolt gives you a pivot to load and unload it +--- 57910140 +>>57908925 +I don't think this provides enough protection to prevent the bullet casing from going back towards the user and hurting them +--- 57910155 +>>57908937 +That's interesting, i've never seen that before. Won't the staple penetrate the casing though? +--- 57910406 +>>57910155 +Its not actually using staples.A stapler as an improvised part is fairly common. +--- 57910506 +>>57910140 +Wear heavy clothes. +--- 57910530 +>>57910140 +it's self-ejecting, anon. just wear safety goggles +--- 57911622 +>>57908863 (OP) +>meanwhile at Taurus +--- 57911661 +That's already a machine gun if you intend to make it into one. Checkmate OP, the ATF is on its way. +--- 57913036 +>>57908863 (OP) +>no premade gun parts +>posts bullet diff --git a/k/57908866.txt b/k/57908866.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e2aadf415f24f82e52a52d609fb8b8a5f4bff4e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908866.txt @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +----- +--- 57908866 +Heбo нaд Київщинoю зacвiтилocя зeлeним кoльopoм + +Пicля цьoгo бyлo чyтнo вибyх i oгoлoшeнa тpивoгa. Утoчнюємo iнфopмaцiю. + +Cитyaцiя y cтoлицi 24/7 — https://t.me/kyiv_novyny_24 + +Teлeгpaмнa cлyжбa нoвин | Пiдпиcaтиcя + +https://files.catbox.moe/qdqywk.mp4 +--- 57908886 +satellite re-entry +--- 57908901 +>>57908866 (OP) +The greenlight for the offensive, sent by the Gods +--- 57908909 +everyone understands everything +--- 57908932 +>>57908866 (OP) +A bad camera +--- 57908940 +>>57908866 (OP) +My dick +--- 57908974 +>>57908866 (OP) +--- 57908987 +Id on this spacecraft? +--- 57908996 +>>57908866 (OP) +>tolkien sends his regards +--- 57909015 +>>57908866 (OP) +The eyebrows which have risen a year ago finally descended from the heavens +The gloves were shed and, at once, everyone understood everything +-ZAnon +--- 57909029 +>>57908866 (OP) +Ukie S-300 intervepted an incoming russian nuke. There were like 10 locations of AA launch, 4-8 missiles each +--- 57909033 +>>57908987 +Ⰲⰵⱀⱆⱅⰻⱁⱀ Ⱅwⰻⱀⰽ Ⱌⱁⰾⰾⰵⱌⱅⱁⱃ Ⰿⱁⰴⰵⰾ +--- 57909130 +>>57909033 +>this +>in 2023 +there's hope +--- 57909191 +>>57908866 (OP) +Meteor burn up. +--- 57909210 +That thing has orbital speed. At least 7 km/s, likely more. This is 99% satellite or meteor. Entry angle points to latter, but more footage is needed. +--- 57909226 +>>57909078 +All clear given an hour ago and you knew that +--- 57909233 +>>57909049 +That can't be Kiev. I was told that that the city has practically no electricity. +--- 57909243 +>>57909210 +--- 57909260 +>>57909233 +wasted all those """PGM"""s for nothing lmaooo +--- 57909340 +>>57909278 +shouldn't you be on /sp/ ruining /epl/? +--- 57909363 +>>57908866 (OP) +Transformer exploding. +--- 57909377 +>>57909363 +It was a NASA sattelite unitonically. +--- 57909382 +>>57909363 +Is Russia using transformers as bombs now? +--- 57909389 +Proof god hates Russians +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRrdSwhQhY0 [Embed] +--- 57909406 +>>57909389 +The fact that Russia exists is proof enough +--- 57909415 +>>57909389 +Then why didn't it hit Moscow instead of exploding in the Siberian wastes thousand if feet in the air? +--- 57909433 +>>57909415 +Soon, anon, soon. +--- 57909472 +>>57909377 +>>57909210 +This was not on my bingo card +--- 57909790 +>>57908866 (OP) +Zelensky's green flair singling the start of the offensive + +Godspeed Ukies o7 +--- 57910174 +What were the odds a satellite would fell in the capital of a country involved in a war? +--- 57913488 +Seen this happen over Taipei once...some satellite burning up...space junk ..is what I was told...a very long green as jolly great giant string beans green a very long line...blew my mind. I thought I was tripping balls. +--- 57913608 +Psi emission of unusual intensity +--- 57913748 +>>57908987 +That's just Elvis. +--- 57913829 +The Terminator has arrived! You're all fucked now + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjpBs2BfNbw&ab_channel=GraemeMartin [Embed] +--- 57913908 +C-consciousness woke up. Its probing the noosphere. Blowout soon. +--- 57913937 +>>57909049 +That is literally a meteor +--- 57913945 +>>57908866 (OP) +Those X Wing Fighters promised by Mark Hamill a long time ago finally arrived from a galaxy far, far away. +--- 57913988 +>>57909415 +God works in mysterious, Russian-hating ways. +--- 57914024 +>>57908866 (OP) +>https://files.catbox.moe/qdqywk.mp4 +That's a power transformer blowing up. I've been to chicago. diff --git a/k/57908954.txt b/k/57908954.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f5f25e98eb51253a8da0c8733a8d691873d8be73 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57908954.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1144 @@ +----- +--- 57908954 +New here? Want a firearm? +https://pastebin.com/Ndb2jSAu +https://howtogetagun.ca/ + +>Want to hunt? Hunting license info: +https://pastebin.com/nC8RpYb3 + +>Want to buy something? Recommended vendors list: +https://pastebin.com/1yxHj5RG + +>Want to help firearm rights? +https://firearmrights.ca +https://nfa.ca +https://cssa-cila.org + +>Shitty Thread? /cangen/ Anti-Spammer filter list: +https://pastebin.com/6Ewshhfv + +>Hobbyists corner: +https://print2a.com +https://ctrlpew.org +https://fosscad.org + +Rules of Cangen: +>Rule 1: No Furries +>Rule 2: No trannies +>Rule 3: No slav bumfight content +>Rule 4: No noguns PPC D&C +>Rule 5: Go shooting + +Previous: >>57901790 → +--- 57908964 +fuck yeah FAL +--- 57908976 +I want to sponge bathe Big Sege +--- 57908990 +>>57908964 +Are there any non-bullpup semi auto magfed options that aren't the SG-542? Has anyone bought the crusader crux yet? I was thinking about picking one up, or maybe the 5.56 version. I like the look of them but would like to know how the reliability is. +pic is from last innawoods venture of the winter. +--- 57909008 +Spamfag baker BTFO. What did they/them try to use as an OP pic? + +Based jannies. +--- 57909018 +>>57909008 +a chigger +--- 57909025 +>>57909008 +literally it was a transsexual chinese person holding a BCL lmao +--- 57909026 +>>57909018 +Fucking vile. + +Shoot spammers, roundhouse kick spammers etc +--- 57909151 +>>57908990 +Valmet M78, APC308 +--- 57909189 +>>57908990 +Get a G36 +--- 57909217 +>>57908990 +Specifically .308? Idk +For 5.56, Benelli MR1 or G36 +--- 57909227 +>>57909189 +No you get a g36, I don't wanna spend 10k on a 5.56. Might consider an SL8 over the crusader though if I hear nothing of reliability. +--- 57909262 +>>57908990 +You know why the SG-542 and Valmet M78 go so well together? They both have their magazines difficult to obtain. +--- 57909269 +Are MEPROs any good? They seem pretty gay, everyone shills them for X95s because muh IDF though +--- 57909309 +>>57909269 +I feel like a 1x optic should be night vision compatible even if passive aiming is lame. +--- 57909347 +>>57909309 +>>57909269 +They're almost as expensive as an Eotech, can't into NV like EXPS3, worse magnified performance, and basically as heavy as the Eotech +MEPROs are pretty gay yeah +--- 57909432 +>>57909347 +Solar powered memers need to get themselves an ACOG. +--- 57909434 +RFB or Tavor 7? + +Thinking of IRGing one or the other. The gulf in price isn't as great when importing them, but still $5-600ish, which, if going for the RFB, could be spent on better accessories. +--- 57909456 +>>57909432 +More like GayCOG +Nah ACOGs are cool but X95s should be 1x primary optic in my opinion +--- 57909457 +Canada? More like CanadANUS +--- 57909467 +>>57908990 +Benelli M4 +--- 57909474 +>>57909457 +dey heinous cuz dey Canadanus +--- 57909481 +>>57909434 +RFB: More compact, FAL mags have sovl, slightly cheaper, some made with 18.5" barrels, doesn't support our greatest ally +Tavor 7: Chunkier gun, AR-10 mags, 10 round XCR-M mags, more ways to accessorise, HK bolt slap, easier to clear jams, 20" barrels are standard, gas system simpler to adjust +--- 57909488 +>>57909481 +i thought rfb was also stanag compatible +--- 57909501 +>>57909488 +That's the RDB. +--- 57909506 +How did we feel about today + +50/50 for me. +--- 57909507 +There should be a fight between Gun Guys and Car guys, car guys use only their cars to try to ram us and we use only guns + +The winners will be the definite Alpha hobbyists +--- 57909515 +>>57909501 +too bad they dont take the p-mags +--- 57909519 +>>57909515 +I think they do. You might be thinking of the Type 97. +--- 57909525 +>>57909227 +I already did +--- 57909527 +>>57909519 +just looked it up, jewgle sas no +--- 57909543 +>>57909434 +some anon a few threads back claimed he had bought "a few more tavors" lmao so he has at least 3 or 4 by that statement +--- 57909578 +>>57909543 +I'd be happier with an APC223 or Bren 2. +--- 57909579 +>>57909525 +KEK 10 GRAND ON A PLASTIC PIECE OF SH +Just kidding anon cool gun +>>57909543 +Waiting to stack ammo, get good optics, get plates, get nvg etc till you stack rifles, classic approach +--- 57909596 +>>57909578 +>Bren 2 +Have they fixed it yet? +--- 57909606 +>>57909596 +All the factory NR ones went to Ukraine. +--- 57909617 +>>57909596 +It's less a question of fixing them, and more a question of getting them outside of a slavic warzone +--- 57909642 +>>57909527 +I don't think it's a deal breaker desu. Steel/Aluminum Stanags are classic. +--- 57909649 +>>57909642 +no i guess not, I just have a big stack of p-mags and dont want another stack of mags +--- 57909660 +>>57909617 +>>57909606 +>NR Brens unobtanium +>Greentip $1/rd after shipping, all 5.56 80c/rd +So sick of this bumfight fuckin things up for me +https://youtu.be/7pyo2f0uMBA [Embed] +--- 57909667 +>>57909649 +When Trudeau bans the sale of pinned mags you'll be grateful for the ones you still have. +--- 57909680 +wonder what the judge's opinion is on police officers carrying firearms to defend themselves and others. fucking clown +--- 57909687 +>>57909579 +are they really $10k now? i paid 7k for mine +--- 57909694 +>>57909680 +this comment after the door bell cam video was already released. what a retarded cunt bitch +--- 57909698 +>>57909694 +link? +--- 57909708 +>>57909694 +wait was the scholar not actually there to pick up his friend? +--- 57909718 +>>57909680 +She made her career on rape cases IIRC, if people had guns to protect themselves in Canada she wouldn't have had so many rapists in her courtroom so her career wouldn't be so hot, so ofc she's against it +--- 57909720 +>>57909694 +>>57909708 +more likely was there to pick up scalps and a tv +>>>/pol/424129896 +--- 57909734 +>>57909718 +how fucking psychotic is this bitch, what the absolute fuck is wrong with her to be able to see case after case of people being raped and then mocking the idea of self defense with a firearm. its a charter right that you have a right to security of the person, where the fuck did they educate these judges? +--- 57909791 +>>57909734 +she accepted the jew narrative/morality into her woman brain. that is how she was allowed to be a judge in the first place +--- 57909792 +>>57909734 +Picrel is the primary legal text taught in Canadian law schools +--- 57909795 +>>57909734 +The plight of women being raped is only addressed when it can be used as a political tool. +--- 57909849 +>>57909660 +Think we'll atleast get cool surplus? I hear a fuck ton of cool stuffs ended up on the black market already. +--- 57909894 +>>57909680 +Haha woman judge dredging up American news for our gun case, this is going to go so well for us +--- 57909904 +oh hello Ahmet +--- 57909958 +>>57909904 +410 is so ghey though... +--- 57909961 +>>57909617 +>noodle barrel canadian rifles +>stonyk womyn inna squad +the only cool thing is that bolty on bottom right. Wtf is it? +--- 57909967 +>>57909958 +Yea it would be unreal to get one in 460 S+W +--- 57909978 +>>57909904 +>shootabiloty +Shiggidy +--- 57910003 +>>57909978 +A truly impressive mastery of the English language. +--- 57910022 +>>57909961 +>he doesn't recognize the iconic Accuracy International AWM chassis +--- 57910076 +>>57909978 + lmao +--- 57910086 +>>57909978 +more like shootabullety +--- 57910090 +>I HATE CHINA FUCKING CHINKS REE +>why yes I will buy that chinese SKS and T81 they're such great guns I love commies! +--- 57910113 +>>57910090 +Problem, yellow man? +--- 57910156 +My god I hope this strike doesn't affect my PAL renewal getting shipped out. FUUUUUUCK +--- 57910191 +>>57910113 +>reported +lmao struck a cord with a cuck +--- 57910304 +>>57910090 +>reliable commie guns chambered in the cheapest centerfire round available +imagine for a moment if sks and type 81 were banned back in 2020 +--- 57910402 +>>57910304 +I don't wanna live in rain-bow land +--- 57910481 +>>57910402 +jokes on you +you already do +--- 57910529 +>>57910481 +I know, fren. I would move to nwt but family business here. +--- 57910535 +>>57910484 +Passport people strike or something else. +--- 57910560 +>>57910535 +ya +--- 57910693 +>>57910529 +we're all gonna make it +--- 57910721 +Anyone ever order from aztec? I assume all the stuff on the site is available in leafland despite being in USD? +--- 57910734 +>>57910721 +Yes everything aztech sells is for canadians, it's in USD because they need to purchase and import it. They have a small selection of items that are already in canada on part of their site +--- 57910735 +>>57910721 +they are fine, like irunguns, same thing. +they do have some stuff in canada already, but most has to be imported. +--- 57910914 +>>57909961 +Newfags get out. REEEEEEEEEE +--- 57910930 +Where do you buy these Russian butt pads? +--- 57910958 +>>57908954 (OP) +I need an adapter plate from a Smith & Wesson to this. Anyone have a place? +--- 57910966 +>>57910914 +iphaggots GET OUT +--- 57911012 +>>57910930 +I got a baribal sitting pad from varu, it's a polish version of it. Pretty comfy I use mine all the time while camping +--- 57911088 +>>57909720 +Apparently thats not actually him. It still weird that this case will be blasted to the top of public consciousness while black kill whites everyday at 20x the rate. Of course the ((media)) has to cause as much racial tension as they can though. + +Im just so tired of this shit. +--- 57911098 +>>57909507 +Tires, grill, then kill. Maybe skip the last part, enough damage to their ride and they'll an hero after seeing the bill +--- 57911114 +>>57911088 +why do you think its not him? +--- 57911145 +ANONS +I have a question. +If you had to pick between these two optics, which would you pick +option 1: +Primary Arms ACSS 1-6 With K.I.S.S reticle, +OR +Bushnell AR Optics 1-4 LPVO. +any input would be appreciated. +--- 57911147 +>>57911137 +Go back +--- 57911152 +>>57911137 +Why were you ever there in the first place? Post some guns senpai +--- 57911175 +>>57911152 +People post cool guns every now and then and the politics threads are a good place to stay informed. God forbid you try to say the OIC and vax mandates are both the same shit from a deeply corrupt and out of control government though. +--- 57911208 +>>57911196 +stop posting your faggotry here. +--- 57911217 +lol based. +Previous OPs must ad rule 6: No r*ddit posting +--- 57911222 +Is it the same janny in both places? +--- 57911224 +>>57909978 +>shiggidy +Shiggy diggy +--- 57911225 +>>57911196 +You are just as much of a faggot as the mod. STFU +--- 57911235 +>>57910113 +how is that problematic for the yellow man when he is making bank off chink gun sales? +--- 57911246 +>>57911145 +>With K.I.S.S reticle +that one +--- 57911249 +>>57910930 +They pop up from time to time on all the normal Russian sites +--- 57911275 +>>57911222 +>trips of truth +Oh fuck never thought of that +Was it always reddit mods in charge here? +--- 57911276 +>>57911222 +what, here and plebbit? Nah the janny here just probably hates off-topic r*ddit screencaps, and fucking rightly so. loads of anti vax stuff stays up here so it ain't that. +Anyways, posting guns. rattlecanned my turkshit scattergat. turned out bretty gud +--- 57911282 +Do we have our own dedicated janny wtf? What is an isnt allowed. Im not even allowed to post my beef the plebbit mods? Thank you for getting rid of the spammers, but youre going to far.. +--- 57911299 +>>57911217 +That's an unspoken global rule really +--- 57911301 +>>57910156 +Lol you too, I renewed a year early 2 weeks agi and got approved in a week, I thought it would have taken a good 6 months but hopefully our cards are already in the mail, I got a proved a good week before the strike. +--- 57911317 +>>57910721 +I got them to import me a gun burial tube from the states and since then, they've been advertising it in their site lol +--- 57911323 +>>57911282 +dude you're posting reddit screenshots and surprised they got deleted? Go back. Don't bring that shit here. Based canjanny purging r*ddit content. +--- 57911324 +>>57911299 +dubs of truth. +--- 57911325 +>>57911282 +You should post guns instead of r*ddit + +Someone add a zeroth rule +>post guns +--- 57911340 +>>57911325 +Im not the reddit poster but i have to ask, do you prefer the reddit drama or my painted ruger? +--- 57911382 +>>57911282 +You are a fucking nigger. KYS +--- 57911394 +>>57911382 +Based retard +--- 57911398 +*ᶜᵒᵘᵍʰ* +--- 57911400 +>>57911145 +LPVO just slayed a tranny like last month so yeah +--- 57911417 +>>57911400 +yeah but which one of those two, the 1-6 or the 1-4? Both have 7.62x39 reticles as this is going on a T81 via a Midwest USA 30mm mount (picture related) +--- 57911444 +>>57911400 +No it didn't, Officer Gigachad was using his canted RDS +--- 57911475 +>>57911444 +based. +So confirmed gigachad gun components: +• LPVO (if 1-6 SFP, if 1-8, FFP) +• Flashlight +• IR lazer +• Canted RDS +Did anyone catch which brand his RDS was? I think it was german but I can't remember. +--- 57911503 +>>57911475 +It was pretty small & tough to see in all the pics I saw but consensus was probably Holosun +--- 57911508 +Sometimes I think living in noguns country is good + +SHTF, we are superheroes while everyone else is a faggot + +How do you gain power in such a scenario? Ways to deal violence conveniently +--- 57911523 +>>57911508 +>SHTF, we are superheroes +And autism is our superpower +--- 57911620 +>>57910966 +Cry about it. I will continue posting my consumerism superiority in the form of my Colt Canada iur WITH my iPhone filenames. Can’t stop me +--- 57911628 +>>57911620 +based white nationalist +--- 57911659 +>>57911508 +It's hilarious, no-guns scumfucks will do anything to get your guns and watching them get desperate about it brings me great laughter. + +>Be a mover +>Nog and spices coworker knows I shoot +>Nog and spic keep joking about breaking into my crib to steal my funs. +>Repeatedly let them know that they'd be swiss cheese if they did, their smiles instantly disappear. +>Nog desperately wants to know my address and tries to socially engineer, thinking I'd tell him. + +When I quit and took a trade, that same nog got super pissed I left that cesspool lmao +--- 57911686 +>>57911659 +never tell noguns that ur a hasguns, they are faggots 100% of the time +--- 57911735 +>>57911686 +Correct. Unless you are actually friends, you shouldn’t tell. And I mean r e a l l y friends. +--- 57911804 +>>57911735 +>>57911686 +Why are noguns like this? +--- 57911807 +>>57911686 +>they are faggots 100% of the time +"Faggots" doesn't quite describe the nuances of it. It's like they simultaneously want and don't want to own guns at the same time and resent you for it. If they were decent, well-adjusted people they'd just get licenses of their own, but they won't because of preconceived notions about gun ownership so instead they make awkward jokes. +--- 57911859 +>>57911686 +So true, I had a coworker (Late 30s, whiny faggot, still didn't have his driver's license) kept pestering me, asking me what guns I had and when I refused to tell him, he'd flip out. This same loser refused to get his gun license and would just blow his money on airshit +--- 57911864 +>>57911686 +Yeah lesson learned, fucking scummy fuckers +--- 57911905 +>>57908964 +Oh yeah +--- 57911906 +>>57911807 +I think they feel threatened but also are not interested enough to learn the process of PAL ownership so theyre double pissed and powerless + +When I tell people who are semi close they don't seem to mind that much (my sister's good friend (female), who is barber for instance) +--- 57911985 +>>57910721 +Did you even go to their website? +--- 57912001 +I can't wait to be alone in the woods, bros, last time I went, my wife kept insisting she come and bring the damned cat with us and when we went, there were no trails, just straight up bushwacking and she got super pissed and bitchy, when I'll go by myself, I'll have so much fun. I also found a downed drone that time, I should have kept the memory card. +--- 57912099 +>>57908954 (OP) +>Jt told NATO Canada will never meet its spending for NATO +lol just lol + +https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadian-forces-nato-washington-post-1.6815616 +--- 57912123 +>>57911145 +>>57911417 +PA 1-6 ACSS 100% People love that ACSS and 1-6 is unironically more useful than the 1-4 +--- 57912135 +>>57912123 +Fuckin garbage scopes and garbage reticles. Fools are their money are soo parted. +--- 57912139 +>>57912001 +...a cat? you brought a cat? +>mfw +--- 57912144 +My life is so uneventful and unhappy I almost wish for the breakdown of society and have some action +--- 57912151 +>>57912135 +Bushnell budget optics are infinitely worse than anything PA can come up with +--- 57912162 +>>57912135 +True. ACOGs on Mars. +--- 57912166 +>>57911802 +booba +--- 57912168 +>>57912144 +oh the collapse will not be very "eventful", just a slow downturn and degradation of society over hundreds of years. there will be isolated periods/areas of violence, but overall, it wont be the dystopian nightmare some of the denizens dream of +--- 57912169 +>>57912001 +Have fun bro. Going innawoods is the best. +--- 57912170 +>>57912144 +ask a girl out +--- 57912179 +>>57912151 +But the TRS 25/26 are basically the gold standard of poorfag RDS and are actually decent for stuff like .22 and .20 +--- 57912184 +>>57912139 +Lol yeah, a sort of cat backpack, I carried my Ruger PCC and backpack while my wife had the cat backpack in front of her lol. +--- 57912192 +>>57912144 +You and about 70% of people aged 20-40 right now. +--- 57912197 +>>57912184 +she needs a baby you retard, but only if you are both white +--- 57912205 +>>57912184 +>takes a PCC into grizz country + +mein neger vat are you doing? +--- 57912210 +>>57912170 +I'm trying bro + +4 dating apps, literally 0 likes in 2 days and I got my pics reviewed and approved by my sisters + +Well the worst part is that every girl got the clotshot. I would just do it the old fashioned way and go to a bar or some shit otherwise. Not worth getting Aids. +--- 57912212 +>>57912184 +you marry a girl and let her be a cat mom +--- 57912219 +>>57912169 +It really is, I want to go camping by myself, roast some hotdogs over a fire and drink myself to sleep under the stars, I can't wait to do this +--- 57912224 +>>57912210 +fuck the apps. go chat up a girl in real life +--- 57912240 +>>57912170 +Girls are boring and needy +--- 57912243 +>>57912205 +He's being smart and traveling light, he only has to run faster than his girl and the cat after all. +--- 57912244 +>>57912224 +I just fear wasting my time on a vaxxed whore but I guess you're right brotha +--- 57912245 +>>57912197 +>>57912212 +I want a kid, trust me but man, she just started her business and is trying to flesh it out but a bun in the oven soon and trust me, I hate those redditor "furbaby" types. + +>>57912205 +Worst case scenario, I toss the cat to the bear while the old lady bails while I empty my (((pinned))) 10 round mags at it lmao +--- 57912251 +who else dresses like a political dissident? +>>57912184 +you need to control your wife better, anon. you should've predicted how that would turn out. +at face value, that is a retarded situation +--- 57912255 +>>57912219 +Going to build a dugout this year. Can't wait until the snow is gone and can get innawoods and do some cowboy camping while building my own hobbit hole +--- 57912257 +What I never got is why they didn't allow one round more for their magazine restrictions. Who carries a 5-shooter? +--- 57912259 +>>57912243 +I bet he can't tho, kitty will climb tree too. +>>57912245 +u gonna die nigga srsly, an angry black bear will not be stopped by 9mm. you'd be lucky to shut down a pissed off grey wolf with 9mm. + +just get a shorty 12ga like a shockwave +--- 57912265 +>>57912251 +are you skipping leg day, anon? +--- 57912271 +So after the judge inevitably decides in the state's favor, what happens next? +--- 57912277 +>>57912265 +no i do squats every day that my legs aren't sore from squats. +--- 57912293 +>>57912123 +Thanks anon +>>57912135 +Primary Arms are great, and Bushnell aren't bad too. They're good for cheaper optics and quite rugged - all I need. +--- 57912294 +>>57912255 +I've always wanted to do this but with a plastic septic tank but man, I would be hell to carry one on top of my shitbox and then wheeling it in the bush and then hand digging a hole big enough through dirt, rocks, and roots so it doesn't rise, best of luck anon. + +>>57912259 +Ehh, I'll bring my T81 next time but a Shockwave with a stock does sound tempting. +--- 57912295 +>>57912259 +straight up factually untrue + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1XlsskYmY [Embed] +--- 57912353 +>>57912294 +The roots are what I'm a bit worried about but I will limit the amount of dirt removal and focus more on building above ground with logs. Basic plan is to start on a slope so back of the dugout will be about 4' below grade and front will be at grade. Just big enough for me and my dog to use while hunting moose and elk. Even got a little stove to put in it when it's all ready. +--- 57912378 +>>57912182 +Why do you do this anon? +--- 57912423 +>>57912378 +so unangry that you reported it? +--- 57912444 +>>57912099 +Too busy spending money and sending our existing materiel to the slav bumfight +--- 57912482 +>>57912245 +Put a bun in her oven under the stars +--- 57912508 +>>57912423 +Just doing my part to clean up the thread. Now go be a faggot somewhere else. We know you don’t have guns. +--- 57912525 +>>57912271 +We have certainty! + +No it goes to the supreme court after that. +--- 57912544 +>>57912245 +>womyn in business + +Do her a huge favour and stop this before it gets worse. You can either be a good mother and not have a job, or you can be a shit mother and be shit at your job. Save her from herself. +--- 57912568 +>>57912544 +Multicam tropic fucks hard and I’m tired of pretending it doesn’t +--- 57912598 +>>57912508 +Clean up what, exactly? +Someone making a joke about your obvious vanity considering you keep posting the same 4 fucking pictures each thread? lol. +--- 57912611 +>>57912544 +Based Rickyposter +Also if anyone else wants to clean the thread up IMMENSELY, just filter all iphone filenames. Makes an instant difference in quality. +--- 57912615 +>>57912568 +yeah super helpful in tropical Canada +--- 57912621 +>>57912615 +Lmfao +--- 57912626 +>>57912611 +how do I identify an iphone filename? I am not a phonefag, I despise smartphones. +--- 57912631 +Whats the biggest lie you've ever been told? +--- 57912637 +>>57912631 +Rapid fire is 1 second every 2 rounds +--- 57912643 +>>57912631 +>guns are bad +->my parents +--- 57912650 +>>57912598 +I’m one of maybe five anons posting guns. You have a very obvious speech pattern and you’re a faggot that just baits everyone who discusses guns by shitting on anything more expensive than an SKS. +--- 57912660 +>>57912631 +>just make the marriages legal, we promise it will end there. +--- 57912665 +bros our southern neighbours are getting fucked too +--- 57912672 +>>57912631 +>6 million +--- 57912675 +>>57912665 +It's interesting how almost every western country is going to shit in the exact same way. +--- 57912676 +>>57912631 +>just b urself +--- 57912678 +>>57912631 +>Everything will be alright. +--- 57912695 +>>57912650 +Not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person. +I own many firearms more expensive than SKSes and I’m one of the other five anons posting guns lmao +I just think it’s ridiculous and petty that you would report someone who was making a harmless joke at your expense. +Here, have a gun. +If you make fun of it I won’t report your posts. lol. +>>57912626 +It’s in the filter guide. 4chanx has options to block all iphone md5s. Well worth doing. +--- 57912702 +>>57912665 +Nope, we’re all going to ignore the federal government to the greatest extent possible especially with respect to gun laws. +--- 57912704 +>>57912695 +7.62 NATO > 5.56. Nice BR +--- 57912707 +We postin our toobs +--- 57912718 +Is there anything better than CADPAT surplus clothes? If so what? +--- 57912722 +>>57912695 +So you’re not the anon who was derailing the earlier threads by going off about G36s and bringing up Slavic bum fight/ukronigger stuff? If that wasn’t you I apologize for the report. I just assumed from your writing style you and he were the same anon. +--- 57912728 +>>57912598 +Faggot you can’t say you’re not mad then REPORT THE POST THAT ALEGEDLY MADE YOU SO NOT MAD THAT YOU POSTED ABOUT HOW NOT MAD YOU ARE like bruh +--- 57912732 +>>57912707 +would prefer to see some adidas trackpants to complete the look +--- 57912749 +>>57912718 +I don't think you'll find actual CADPAT surplus, it's illegal to sell real CADPAT. It'll likely be knockoff stuff, but I will say CADPAT is objectively one of the best camo patterns for use in North American woodlands, especially pine/fir forests. +--- 57912759 +>>57912722 +No, I post mostly my Famae and my Garand. I don’t have negative opinions on the G36. One of them is on my list, but not too high since the latest Bundeswehr media release about their reliability. +I also refuse to engage with anything yurowar related, even by calling it out. It doesn’t belong on /cangen/. +--- 57912761 +>>57912718 +Crye, Fjalraven, if you need surplus look for stuff in either DPM or one of the digital/fractal Nordic camos from the last twenty years. +Real Cadpat is hard to come by unless it’s issued. +--- 57912778 +>>57912718 +Oi, that CADPAT belongs to The King! You best keep your filthy grubbers off it because it's all going straight into the shredder. +--- 57912794 +>>57912759 +Sorry I reported then. Finfag and the other sperg have me just reporting anyone that seems even slightly derailing. +>>57912761 +Follow up to my prior sample image showing different patterns and materials, you’d be surprised to learn that Fjalraven G1000s are NIR compliant +--- 57912797 +>>57912732 +Would be bretty cool but unfortunately I don't own any. +--- 57912850 +>>57912794 +>tfw I own a fuckload of G1000 Vidda Pros +--- 57912855 +>>57912749 +Is knockoff cadpat still good? What's the difference between real and fake, IR shit? +--- 57912870 +>>57912749 +M05 Spurdo pattern is up there alongside cadpat for best northern forest camos +--- 57912878 +>>57912099 +you cant tell me that behind closed doors virtually all western leaders don't call JT a blubbering fucking retard, imagine doubling your national debt and then dropping all other financial obligations to your international partners so homeless crack addicts can collect CERB +--- 57912880 +>>57912855 +IR shit but also quality of the garments. the stuff made for military use is made fairly well, but knockoff stuff is just chinkshit sewn together with a hope and a prayer and will split under even moderate use. i own knockoff chinkshit surplus because it's super cheap but i know it's not durable, so i have good stuff too. +--- 57912889 +>>57912850 +Based. Love my G1000s, simple as +>>57912850 +Not sure if it’s deliberate or coincidence, because my non-green pairs don’t perform as well, the pair on the left is orange in vis and super reflective under IR from even just the device admin light. Probably begs further investigation. +--- 57912911 +>>57912889 +Orange is probably not super helpful for camouflaging anyways, unless you're fighting someone in a pylon factory or a volcano. +--- 57912917 +>>57912702 +--- 57912970 +>>57912855 +Knockoff Cadpat glows like the colloquially coined “glowie” under moonlight, and I’m not sure that isn’t where Terry D got the idea from as OG spooks wouldn’t wear IR compliant shit in the sandbox during early GWOT. +>>57912870 +Don’t forget MCT. It is fantastic in the forests of northern Ontario, much better than Multicam Original that more closely matches the forests and terrains of the US eastern lowlands and southern states. +>>57912911 +Agreed, I merely was doing some comparisons to see if the good IR properties of the green G1000s were somehow inherent in the materials or dyes. Still don’t know conclusively but I can always go get more G1000s for testing! +--- 57912975 +>>57912917 +what constitutes a Canadian super gun owner? I wonder if I'm in the club? +--- 57912995 +>>57912975 +--- 57913007 +>>57912970 +>struck by a train 5 years ago now + +I still can't believe it. RIP buddy. +--- 57913016 +>>57912975 +Imo it’s not about the quantity, it’s about the quality. Do you really want to be lumped in with the guy who owns seven .22s, a bunch of sporterized rifles in unobtanium cartridges and one of every calibre of hi point(including the carbine)? +>>57913007 +I miss him every day anon. +--- 57913040 +>>57912880 +>the stuff made for military use is made fairly well, but knockoff stuff is just chinkshit sewn together with a hope and a prayer and will split under even moderate use +You haven't seen the new CAF vest yet huh? I didn't know Aliexpress could fulfill government procurement contracts. +--- 57913051 +>>57912001 +Im going inna woods this upcoming weekend, is there a way to post while not in service areas? +--- 57913075 +>>57913051 +Use your baofeng to hail /cangen/, preferably on boomer HAM frequencies. I go by 'Big Nigger' on the airwaves +--- 57913086 +>>57913040 +idk I only own older CAF surplus in OD green and it's hella durable, it's like 30 years old and still kickin. +--- 57913090 +So what were the main highlights of today's court? I was out most of the day. +--- 57913094 +>>57913075 +I go as shitcum1, see you soon anon +--- 57913103 +>>57913075 +Everyone report in, what's your callsign for /cangen/ RF? + +I'm Chug Fucker 9000. +--- 57913106 +>>57913090 +Roastie judge bringing up that nigger shooting in the USA as an example of why we don't need guns. Draw your own conclusions as to how this court case will end. +--- 57913107 +>>57913090 +No idea. I would like to know too. +--- 57913115 +>>57913040 +Bruh, did they seriously just copy the fucking cadex one? They somehow made something even worse than the snackvest? Is this going to be as bad as the gen 2 uniforms that were flammable(I found this out personally while wearing it, turns out there’s a reason we aren’t supposed to burn thread lmao) and fell apart after three washes? +>>57913051 +Do you know how internet works? +>>57913075 +Anon… I kneeeeel….. +--- 57913126 +>>57913106 +the reach of Lugenpresse is far and wide, the roastie's mind it will divide. +--- 57913140 +>>57913115 +>Do you know how internet works? +no, why do you think i rely on nerd on here to figure it out for me +--- 57913158 +>>57912794 +I get it anon. The canjanny thankfully now does a bretty gud job but I also occasionally get finfag PTSD whenever I see a post with “guys?” Or too many exclamation marks. +--- 57913184 +>>57912707 +I really like the 5-series Eotech aesthetic on Tavors but it seems like that optic would be uncomfortably low, what's your experience been like with it anon? +--- 57913187 +>>57913140 +I assume you jest but on the off chance you don’t I’ll be sympathetic. There are devices that connect to your analogue HF or VHF radio that can be used to send digital information over those frequencies to another analogue radio. You can do this so your car works as a base station, but it has very limited range and your car needs to be inside of cell service too. +--- 57913198 +>>57913106 +God dammit, and it was looking so good for the past few days +--- 57913209 +>>57912631 +>You are special +If everybody's special no one is +--- 57913226 +>>57913184 +It's been great. It sits nice, don't have to crane your neck at all and the centre dot lines up perfectly with the flip up iron sights +--- 57913231 +>>57913198 +If it’s any consolation, US appears to be doing a civil war speed run in the any% category right now so if they collapse first out government will immediately implode from bankruptcy. Hope you’re stocked anon. There’s going to be a lot of hungry tranny refugees from the states trying to raid your stash of plastic bags to get their hormone fix. +Captch: MAPNW +This does not bode well +--- 57913237 +I go to (((work))) and do fuck all and get paid for it lmao. Fuck work, fuck the feds (who rob me 40% right off the top) and those faggots who pay my wage. Fuck canada, fuck that cuck nigger lover justina goofdoh, fuck all federal employees and fuck the average golen cucknadian faggot. Get glassed you scum fucks +--- 57913250 +>>57913187 +yeah i got no clue about how any of the radio stuff works, I know how to use em, i used them during my CAF time and now for firefighting, not the technical side of them +--- 57913262 +>>57913184 +Not him but I found it uncomfortably low on my but unity riser puts it at a perfect height. +--- 57913266 +>>57909434 +I'm saving up for a Tavor 7. I don't trust leltecs quality control. Atleast the Tavor has been tested on Palestinians +--- 57913279 +>>57913090 +Government continued to be retarded +>"government is sole determiner of what's reasonable" +>"right to privacy doesn't apply to government actions" +>"Banning these guns will stop mass shootings. What's that? 'Define mass shooting?' Let's not get hung up on definitions Your Honour because banning these guns will stop mass shootings" +etc. +Judge asked some good questions and said some extremely retarded boomer shit like "nobody needs guns to defend themselves" +Burlew from CCFR side got his rebuttal time and did a pretty good job, wasn't a big tard contradicting his coapplicants like during his initial argument +--- 57913305 +>>57913226 +Hm my LGS has a cheap open-box 512 that's been tempting, me maybe I'll check it out on my next Costco run, ty fren +--- 57913315 +>>57913262 +Which unity riser specifically? Or are they all the same height? Idk much about risers & mounts +--- 57913316 +>>57913250 +It mostly goes over my head too anon. In understand the physics of it, and also some of the basics of what is an what isn’t possible with current tech, but it is such an expansive field unto itself that I am leaving it for last on my jour et if preparedness because I don’t know anyone else who has a clue either(and I deal with high level telecoms guys and remote radio technicians for work). The best way is SDR, or software defined radio as a beginner. It has some of the the most obvious immediate drawbacks as the low end systems are power hungry and extremely vulnerable to the environment. Also, it’s really computer literacy heavy as well, no matter what system you use because programming the radios and performing the necessary internal mods to make them worthwhile is complicated. +--- 57913331 +>>57912759 +>g36 media release +Source? Is this about the heat accuracy issues with the G36? +--- 57913347 +>>57913040 +The best part is they'll make everyone set it up have the same pouches in the same places as the old tac vest. +>>57913115 +When they were trialing various brown boots one of my friends had them. He noticed a bit of loose thread hanging from where the solo was stitched on. So he tried to burn it off and it went up like a fucking sparkler burning all the thread holding the solo on. +--- 57913355 +>>57913315 +I think there all the same hight but it's part of the sent that's actually for eotechs. +--- 57913372 +So huh + +Blind rivets are easy to install right+ +--- 57913403 +>>57913184 +The EXPS3 is a pretty tall EOTech. Iron sights are basically at the lower 1/4th. +--- 57913407 +>>57913372 +They can be, but once installed they are impossible to remove. It's why riveted magazines are such a great thing where we have magazine restrictions. There's literally no way to circumvent them so it's really the only kind of mag they should sell. It's foolproof and guarantees compliance with the law. +--- 57913420 +>>57912210 +A girl won't make you happy. You'll still be the same person with the same problems and demons and addictions. As cliche as it may sound, work on yourself first and foremost +--- 57913438 +>>57913279 +>"government is sole determiner of what's reasonable" +Funny they say that to a judge lol +--- 57913439 +>>57913403 +Odd, the whole point of the EXPS-3 is that it’s supposed to be lower 1/3. +>>57913420 +I wish it were that easy anon. +--- 57913446 +>>57913420 +Well I definitely am but I just have 0 joy in my life right now, just stacking money and spending it all on /k/ shit + +I started drinking a little bit because I'm so bored, my ex was trash but at least I had a companion to talk to daily +--- 57913485 +>>57913446 +I can empathize with you bruh, basically in the same boat. Make decent money and buy /k/ stuff but my job is dead-end, boss is a total bitch cunt, I even own a house, but none of it makes me happy. +--- 57913499 +guys i just want to get my wife pregnant and live and survive the slow collapse, and own semi auto rifles... what do? +--- 57913505 +>>57913499 +Let your balls drop and get your PAL, pal. +--- 57913528 +>>57913505 +oh sorry for the confusion, i would like to CONTINUE to own said rifles, if in fact they did exist. +--- 57913536 +>>57913439 +On paper I'm sure they say 1/3rd but even compared to my Aimpoint Pro which is also 1/3 the iron sights show up even lower on the EOTech. The optic is just slightly taller than other typical 1x. +--- 57913546 +>>57913485 +Sometimes I almost feel like space jews are trying to make my life so shit theyre trying to make me a terrorist or something +--- 57913550 +>>57913439 +>>57913446 +>>57913485 +We're all gonna make it +--- 57913562 +>>57913499 +Well anon if those are your goals, I'd start with getting your wife pregnant, setting yourself up to survive a collapse, and owning some semi-auto rifles. +--- 57913584 +>>57913550 +It's been said before, but it's eternally depressing that we were born too late to explore the continents and yet too early to explore the stars. +--- 57913594 +>>57913279 +>"government is sole determiner of what's reasonable" +>"right to privacy doesn't apply to government actions" +Imagine if they said any of this shit publicly instead of a niche court case almost no one is paying attention to, even the normiest of normies would be seriously concerned about statements like that +--- 57913602 +>>57913562 +thx anon. i'll fuck her right in the pussy tonight. +FIXING BAYONET +--- 57913613 +>>57912631 +6 gajillion +--- 57913739 +I HATE THE ANTICHRIST +--- 57913765 +>>57911145 +The Primary Arms one +--- 57913843 +>>57911659 +You should either find a new job or report them to the police for suspicion of being involved in gang activity. + +If they are trying that hard they probably won’t stop and will likely do something even more brazen like attempt to follow you home so they can find your address. I would seriously either stop working with them or get them arrested. + +Maybe you could try to play hardball, if you have a friend who is a cop or member of the HA or something direct them to HIS house so they get royally fucked up if they try a break in. + +I did moving once as a gig and hated it, not because the activity but it he people I worked with. One of the clients was a firearms owner, in charge of the emergency preparedness for the regional +District, named his dog Ruger, his other dog was named Tikka. I talked guns with him and showed him pictures of my irons, he was a good dude but I saw how my coworkers suspiciously perked up when they saw they were moving a gun cabinet. + +I hope that they didn’t fuck with him or break in because I fucking hate criminally inclined thieves and thugs. Fuck them all with a rusty chainsaw bayonet. +--- 57913866 +>>57913843 +most movers have criminal records and are verified scum, about the only thing lower are road workers who do large scale asphalt paving. all of them have domestic abuse convictions, public intox, weapons charges, assault, etc. + +movers fucking steal CONSTANTLY, it's ironic that rich dumbasses trust these people OF ALL PEOPLE with their stuff. +--- 57913880 +>>57911807 +The number of times I have heard people say “if shit hits the fan I am going to rob a sporting goods store” is astonishing. I mean you don’t think they haven’t planned for the public acting like that. + +The LGS in the town I used to live in even mentioned that to me and how they wouldn’t be letting anyone in the shop except for the regulars who they knew and trusted…wouldn’t be accepting money either. I liked that shop, the one dude let me see and handle some of their “not for sale” stuff they kept in a vault. +--- 57913895 +>>57912184 +Why the fuck would she bring a cat innawoods. + + +I knew a hippie chick who had a cat that she hitchhiked with, later on when I ran into her after several months she mentioned how it was eaten by an Eagle. +--- 57913917 +>>57912224 +Yes, it’s not that difficult if you have basic understanding of a few interesting topics & seem “fun” I mean I am diagnosed autistic, but I have been able to get numerous girlfriends just by talking to them. Having a wide array of interests helps, so does listening to their nonsense. +--- 57913938 +>>57913051 +Stay off ur phone innawoods fagit. It's only for takins pics +--- 57913940 +>>57912251 +Sometimes I do. + +Usually I try to dress unassuming, button up shirts, trousers, boots, maybe a ball cap. I try to dress like any other 30 something dad because I am one and because of grey man theory. I wear mostly very neutral colours, nothing really garish or flashy. Sometimes I wear a bit of surplus thrown in as well. +--- 57913954 +>>57913086 +Don't sleep on their fleece and wool jackets. +--- 57913961 +>>57912255 +Cool, please document it. +--- 57913976 +>>57913866 +>>57913843 +My uncle moved across the country and somehow the only thing that fell off the truck that whole trip was his deer rifle he inherited from his dad. +--- 57913983 +>>57913976 +>trusting movers with irreplaceable family heirloom pewpews + +uwotm8 +--- 57913999 +>>57913485 +>>57913446 +You guys are retarded. By 25 you should be over all your little mental illnesses. +--- 57914001 +>>57913983 +Trust me anon I know +Luckily I got my grandpa's other guns in the will (so maybe my grandpa knew, too) +--- 57914023 +>>57913976 +>fell off the truck +You should report it stolen or they should give you money for that +--- 57914029 +>>57913499 +Get her pregnant and hope SHTF doesn’t happen until the kids are at least old enough to handle a gun. + +T. Father & husband +--- 57914031 +>>57913584 +>>57913550 +>>57913485 +>>57913446 +Anons, I get that it's rough out there, don't get me wrong, but consider this +Despite the poison of modernity, it's easier to invent a healthy path forward for yourself than it is to invent a time machine +--- 57914035 +>>57913999 +>little mental illnesses. +czech'd + +also the little ones were easy, now it's time for the big ones. +--- 57914040 +>>57914035 +Like what christ +--- 57914048 +>>57914031 +>time machine +This is the key. Time travel is the only solution. + +Thank you for showing us the path anon. Guys I'm gonna start a time cult and set up some crowdfunding, who wants to visit the 1930's with me? +--- 57914061 +>>57914040 +hehe nice try +--- 57914062 +>>57913976 +When my parents moved cross country they put most of the things in the moving truck but my dad put the gun cabinets in the back of his truck, then when he got to the new house he waited till it was dark out to take them in, around the side of the house. + +Shame about the rifle. I would have reported it stolen and suggested the police check the people employed by the moving company. +--- 57914077 +>>57914062 +Not him but they definitely took it. +--- 57914087 +>>57914061 +Fix your brain mental midget. I mean this in a fren way, it truly is all in your head. +--- 57914090 +>>57914062 +>>57914077 +>do you run criminal record checks on people before hiring them at Shyster and Sly Moving Co? +>why yes we do +>and? +>they all came back positive! +--- 57914110 +>>57914087 + +the last time anyone called me a mental midget was +20 years ago, my dad caught me watching a game show and said game shows are for losers and i was a mental midget for watching Uh Oh! on YTV + +thanks for the memories anon. +--- 57914178 +>>57914110 +fren. +--- 57914196 +>>57914110 +hello fellow oldfag +--- 57914210 +>>57914178 +>>57914196 +--- 57914220 +>>57914196 +you were missing something. fixed it for you +--- 57914222 +>>57914210 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpwNjdEPz7E [Embed] +completely forgot about this place +--- 57914233 +>>57914222 +people romanticize the past, but the 1990s were the last pure decade where boys were boys, girls were girls, family values still existed, and nationalism wasn't a sin. +can't go back now... +--- 57914260 +>>57914210 +yeah i saw this many threads ago. saved it and sent it to my mom (actual boomer) + +it didn't elicit any nostalgia for her at all but it brought me instantly to Woodgrove Mall circa 1993 + +>>57914233 +older millenials were the last generation to not be raised with(by) the internet. +--- 57914268 +What size should I make my mini log cabin? Im gonna use trees as the corners, was thinking around 10x10 +--- 57914277 +>>57914260 +>randy river +man those baggy jeans and short sleeve "anime" shirts were something else +--- 57915073 +>>57913999 +Not 25. 27 (apparently) +Someone told me you become a man at 30.. I still have a couple years of figuring myself out. +--- 57915077 +>>57913999 +Man I'm fucking drunk my post was dogshit + +CAPTCHA: TDGAY +--- 57915082 +>>57915073 +Not that anon, and totally off topic, but turning 30 won't make you a man. You need to find or make your own initiation ritual, ideally with the help of other older men, something that's been mostly discarded in the modern world. +--- 57915099 +>>57915082 +Sucks having daddy issues + +Sometimes I look at other kids and the drive they seem to have, that's because they had a dad, +Me, no dad, and ill never know what it's like, I've always been passive + +I guess thats why blacks do crime, to remove some of that passiveness + +Ow man my fucking left kidney ooooooooooooowwwww wtf + +Fuck all this +--- 57915118 +>>57915099 +I'm sorry anon. I strongly recommend finding ways to make friends with older men who can serve as guides. That could be range friends, hunting friends, gym friends, etc. + +If you want a book recommendation, check out King Warrior Magician Lover. Wish you the best. +--- 57915166 +>>57915118 +Tyty + +Yeah I mean everyone is a fucking retard so it's hard for me to create bonds and trust people, even older men I stay vigilant because no one is foolproof but im also young and I haven't seen much so I live in the limbo where I only trust myself but I'm not a psychopath I just think most people are retarded and I also wish I was understood but im too autistic or something +I don't know what I did to deserve such a lonely, scared and uneventful existence. Not a single friend, irl and online. What is wrong with me? I ask myself this question because I have no fucking idea. I know what's wrong with the world and the people around me, but I don't know what's wrong about me. Nothing, I say. Im just the lonely courier who has to lift the entire world on his shoulders and learn alone, and trust himself only. Good night anon don't read any of this diff --git a/k/57909195.txt b/k/57909195.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7c6443b4d34fe101c2f5ab9137bcd0f33b2fca4c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909195.txt @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +----- +--- 57909195 +Quick battle review of the M14 and M2. +https://files.catbox.moe/piua69.mp4 +--- 57909403 +>>57909195 (OP) +>M14 finally gets to kill Russians on the open plains like she was designed to +--- 57909610 +>>57909195 (OP) +good weapons, doing good work instead of waiting in armory +--- 57913050 +>>57909195 (OP) +>maintenence is a joy, just wipe out the chamber +No ARsisters not like this.... +--- 57913067 +>>57913050 +yeah something he has to do any time dirt gets close to the gun +--- 57914631 +>>57909195 (OP) +Nice. It's the OG M14 as well, you can still see the autosear on the side although it looks like the fire selector has been removed. Good to see this guy is fond of it. +M2 is a classic of course. We'll probably be using them in Mars. We have so many left over from WW2 production overruns that the one pictured might well have arrived new in box from the 1940s. +>>57913067 +Not really. I've taken my M14s out in dust/dirt and as long as you don't actively shove fistfuls of crap right into the bolt face it's fine. +--- 57914666 +>wood +Garbage. Won't last more than a few months. +--- 57914782 +>>57914666 +>Won't last more than a few months +Oh gee, you better tell that to the millions of 70+ year old wood stocked rifles in Africa that still work good enough today after 40+ years of literally no maintenance. +I guess the joggers over there are too stupid to know that wood is shit for a combat gun, you ought to go tell them. +--- 57914795 +>>57909195 (OP) +Luv me m14's but that optics setup is pretty fucked kek. Still, it's a good video +--- 57914820 +>>57914782 +Nah man, wood can't survivr outdoors. It needs to be kept inside and like conditions where it is manufactured as a manmade product. +>>57914666 +If Satan is telling me to stay away from steel and wood, it only further convinces me that steel and wood is what men should fight with. The evil one fears it. +--- 57915017 +>>57914666 +The fuck do you think wars were primarily fought with before the 50s m8 +--- 57915040 +greatest battle implement ever devised +--- 57915309 +>>57914631 +The M14 was hated because it was issued during vietnam where it was too heavy, ammo too heavy, the capacity too low, recoil too high. The ak rifles of the Vc were lighter and more effective in such an enviroment. Basically when intermediate cartrige assault rifles were becoming standard issue for one reson or another, the US army in its infinite wisdom decided to adopt a SuBmAcHiNeGuN LmG BaTtLe rIfle.it was (im being highly highly reductive) an upgraded m1 garrand. While the garand was hot shit during ww2 during the age of boltaction rifles, the m14 was outdated right out of the gate. +During the GWOT it was pushed into service as a DMR with plastic furniture (ussually had plastic furniture) , optics and whatnot. No real complaints levied against it at the time (that I know of) except that there were more accurate and better designed rifles at the time but it was sufficient to the task given to it diff --git a/k/57909464.txt b/k/57909464.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b0b80ece6c72b946f8e1de5229d1e23932213494 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909464.txt @@ -0,0 +1,473 @@ +----- +--- 57909464 +Imagine telling some US general in 1989 that one day T-55s would be fighting alongside Bradleys in Ukraine. +--- 57909473 +Yeah +--- 57909476 +>>57909464 (OP) +This happens all the time in Civ III before you unlock modern armor. +--- 57909485 +I don't think they'd be shocked at all. You're just silly. +--- 57909493 +>>57909476 +kek +--- 57909497 +Imagine telling some US general in 1989 that one day gays a trannies would be in the military +--- 57909498 +>>57909464 (OP) +Does paint really cost that much? +--- 57909512 +>>57909497 +imagine telling an american in the 60s that one day you'd have talking heads on major news networks shamelessly parroting prorussian propaganda while shittalking the US and they wouldn't be locked up for being filthy fucking commies +--- 57909526 +>>57909498 +i mean they actually blend in pretty well with the mud right now +--- 57909529 +>>57909512 +Or simply attacked by their fellow countrymen. In WW1 + 2 the German language - once widely-spoken in the US - basically died out, no one wanted to hear nor speak a word of it, and those who felt otherwise were compelled to change their minds. +--- 57909532 +>>57909512 +talking heads were doing this in the 60s, bro. +--- 57909546 +>>57909464 (OP) +--- 57909563 +>>57909497 +>gays +At least the navy would approve wholeheartedly. +--- 57909564 +>>57909529 +That's a bad thing +--- 57909607 +>>57909566 +>Russia invades the Ukraine +>REEEEEEEEE THE JEWS DID IT +nigger what? +--- 57909614 +>>57909464 (OP) +What Bradley variant +--- 57909638 +>>57909566 +You smell like poo. Go away. +--- 57909652 +>>57909464 (OP) +Since he's aware of US soldiers fighting alongside Wehrmacht soldiers against SS soldiers in WW2 I doubt he'd be terribly surprised. +--- 57909665 +>>57909614 +m2a2 ods +--- 57909675 +>>57909512 +Happened all the time in the 60's and 70's without people getting locked up. What would shock him would be your fascism not getting you beaten with a belt as a child. +--- 57909688 +>>57909512 +>shit is so dire that hostile propaganda only has to tell the truth +--- 57909739 +>>57909464 (OP) +> T-55s +Are they really using them on the front line?I know they have been refurbished but I wouldn't trust those things to do anything important. +--- 57909749 +>>57909675 +Fascism Ivan?Where? +--- 57909752 +>>57909566 +The weirdest part of this is that the US intelligence leaks basically confirm that the US spends its time influencing Israel, not the other way around +--- 57909756 +>>57909464 (OP) +>Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Bradley! +--- 57909760 +>>57909566 +Hi ManDick your taxes go to killing Russians +--- 57909768 +>>57909739 +The T-90M obr. 2022 has more in common with a T-72 Ural than these "T-55s" with a 1950s T-55 +--- 57909785 +>>57909739 +Myeah, more likely this picture is from some training ground in the rear and they're just using the T55's for maneuver training or something like that... Kinda like how the brits used the covenanter(?) during ww2 +--- 57909794 +>>57909768 +If that was true they would have just used their own hulls.Acting as if a refurbished T-55 is good is massive cope regardless of which side is using them. +--- 57909808 +>>57909464 (OP) +It's not T-55. It's M-55S! +--- 57909856 +Why aren't they waiting for the M1 abrams? +--- 57909923 +>>57909856 +Why wait that many months. They have leopards challengers and Bradleys +--- 57909945 +>>57909856 +Why don't burgers just get their asses in gear and expedite the delivery? Delaying the whole offensive for Abrams alone doesn't make sense +--- 57909954 +>>57909785 +No it confirms the Pentagon leak indicating that Bradleys will be supported by a M-55S battalion +--- 57909966 +>>57909464 (OP) +What is supposed to be surprising about that? +--- 57909982 +>>57909856 +Why would they? The abrams are gonna take months. +--- 57909984 +>>57909512 +>commies +grandpa they dont really exist anymore keep up +--- 57909986 +>>57909739 +Ukraine has a number of modernized T-55s in addition to the M-55s they got from Slovenia, which are at the very least equivalent to Leopard 1 with better armor protection. +--- 57910043 +>>57909512 +>imagine telling an american in the 60s that one day you'd have talking heads on major news networks shamelessly parroting prorussian propaganda while shittalking the US and they wouldn't be locked up for being filthy fucking commies +The isolationists in the USA have always been a camouflage for traitors and enemies of the American people acting as agents of foreign powers that want to take Americas place as the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth. +--- 57910063 +>>57910043 +Cringe +--- 57910067 +>>57910043 +>dying for new york bankers is... LE PATRIOTISM +--- 57910082 +>>57909954 +Where is cv-90 +--- 57910094 +>>57909512 +Ever heard of Jane Fonda, anon +--- 57910107 +>>57909752 +The American piggy is way larger and clearly in control, maybe he just likes to power bottom and get a little prostate stimulation +--- 57910117 +>>57909464 (OP) +Imagine being a Ukrainian vehicle repair guy. +--- 57910127 +>>57909464 (OP) +Imagine telling an american in the 1940's that he will be fighting germany so that his grand daughter can be blacked and twerk her ass on a chinese video app. +--- 57910128 +>>57910043 +There are sincere and naive american isolationists, but the louder ones have been almost always subversive traitors, from the germanophiles of the 1930s to the current russian useful idiots. +--- 57910157 +>>57909954 +So which of these units is the most powerful force? 47th with Bradleys, 33rd with leopards but just MRAPs, or 82nd with challys and strikers? Seems strange to me that they didn't put the Leos with the Bradleys +--- 57910203 +>>57909954 +Man, that's a fuckton of hardware wainting to be deployed against the russians. It's not wonder that pidor shills are here trying to derail the thread, they're very scared of what's going to happen soon. +--- 57910220 +>>57910067 +>>57910063 +--- 57910236 +>>57910157 +I'd want to be rolling with the 82nd in this one, but could be they got all the best toys since they're going to be the spearhead. +--- 57910239 +>>57909498 +>>57909526 +Also it’s not like camo is actually that big of a concern for big fucking loud ass tanks being used for offensive operations. The enemy’s gonna know you’re there regardless of what color. And If anything they’d limit chances of friendly fire. +--- 57910247 +>>57909607 +russia are the jews. look up the most common geographical background of israeli citizens. +--- 57910269 +>>57909739 +check out 47 BDE +--- 57910284 +>>57910157 +>So which of these units is the most powerful force? +probably the ones with a 90:30 actual tracked ifv to tank ratio +I don't know how to feel about the MRAP frankenstein brigades +maybe they'll work but they certainly aren't fully fledged mech brigades +--- 57910298 +>>57909984 +"Commies" indeed exist in the Russian NeoSoviet form. Faithfulness to actual Communism is for teentards because that is inherently promptly supplanted by tyranny it requires to exterminate opponents. + +The Russian ideal has always been Stalinism after the Tsars got the bullets they also deserved. Being incapable of forward thinking Russians must seek explanations from their past which happens to be an Asiatic disaster for everyone but a few luckly boyars and tyrants. +--- 57910316 +>>57910236 +Mega cope. The one with all leopards is better than 14 challengers and 90 APCs +--- 57910327 +>>57909497 +I wake up… +--- 57910336 +>>57910157 +47 and 33 are stacked +--- 57910346 +>>57910336 +82nd has 80 Strykers, 40 Marders, and 14 Challys, that's pretty beefy +--- 57910359 +>>57910346 +Yeah that’s pretty good. It’s maybe a second line unit because of the amount of APCs. I think 33 is the spearhead +--- 57910366 +>>57910107 +>>57909752 +It's kind of wild to realize the us uses Da joos and Israel as a boogeyman to take heat off of the us +--- 57910391 +>>57910269 +>those training dates +--- 57910405 +>>57910269 +I wonder what the russians have in reserve against this truckload of pain that it's coming to them in May. +What we've seen around Bakhmut or Vuhledar is nothing comared to this. Are they reduced to a few T72s, modernized T62s, and T54/55 as SPGs/self-propelled howitzers with iranian ammo? +--- 57910407 +>>57910298 +Stalinism died with him after Khrushchev took over. NeoSovietism is alive, true, but its different from actual communism & Stalinism and more of a general idea that Russia must be "great" again. When people talk about commies my mind jumps to NYU students with brain rot not 60 year old Russian villagers who want to turn back the clock. I guess there isn't a good term to refer to the latter though tbf +--- 57910409 +>>57909464 (OP) +Yeah! The angry lookin horse boys! +--- 57910451 +>>57910316 +The leopard brigade has fucking MRAPs as their apcs, I'd much rather be rolling with proper APCs/IFVs. The Bradley brigade can use the Bradleys as their main armor force, use the T-55s as assault guns basically. Assuming the Bradleys are somewhat modern their thermals/ATGMs should be more than enough to handle any armor. +--- 57910454 +>>57910405 +best case: the evident lack of high-end russian ATGMs the last few months is due to them sheparding their stockpile +--- 57910472 +>>57910451 +I’m sure they’re all going to work closely in tandem. Units can be split up and the tanks in the front and APCs in the rear +--- 57910477 +>>57909607 +Russia does have a shitload of Jews. The bolsheviks were incredibly Jewish also +--- 57910478 +>>57910359 +it's awkward though +Leo's break through rough terrain -> Maxxpros get bogged down +Maxxpro's break through a main road -> Leo's fall behind +--- 57910480 +>>57909512 +faggot +--- 57910482 +>>57910454 +Still plenty of Konkurs and it's not like begging Iran for their Kornet clone is off the table either. +--- 57910488 +>>57910117 +That would be fun and interesting to any real mechanic and less annoying than equivalent civilian automobile diversity like working a multibrand shop (which I've done). + +Were I not a sleepless disabled cripple I'd gleefully volunteer to help maintain US equipment and anything else, especially F-16s if they ever get there as I've a lifetime of direct and complementary experience. Wrenching/electronics/welding/machining is intensely rewarding and once you have true understanding of fundamentals and practical mechanics you see each machine as part of a greater system of systems which augment the human flesh collective. + +I would fettle the engines of war for eternity if coffee and a decent snack bar (a man must have principles) are provided. +--- 57910497 +>>57910157 +33, 47 and 82 are probably tied for most powerful force +--- 57910538 +>>57910284 +Yeah, the MRAP units must be used selectively as those are battle taxis not IFV. They're nice in mined areas for crew protection but being constabulary police trucks will require creative employment. +--- 57910539 +>>57910316 +>half the number of field guns +>MRAPs only + +I'll take half the number of tanks to have all the other vehicles be a fucking massive upgrade. +--- 57910580 +>>57910454 +>>57910482 +But all those decent russian ATGMs require static positions like a TOW, right? They have nothing like shoulder fired Javelins and NLAWs. +Proper recon should detect and mark them for destruction before they can do much damage. +--- 57910588 +>>57910539 +They’re all going to integrate and work together. The tanks will fall in with other tanks. The IFVs will maneuver with the tanks. The APCs will bring troops to the front +--- 57910603 +>>57910588 +Stop being reasonable and getting in the way of subjective powerlevel fighting, anon. This is why no one invites you parties. +--- 57910620 +>>57909512 +Zoomer dumbass. +--- 57910626 +>>57909984 +Nigga are you blind? A not insignificant portion of the modern left openly advocates for communism +--- 57910635 +>>57910588 +So far we have little proof of Ukies integrating separate elements of different brigades successfully +As much as in NATO a brigade is a basket to pull elements from and form task specific combat units, +in Ukraine it's still very much a literal cohesive brigade +--- 57910643 +>>57910043 +Man I never realized that James Monroe was a sleeper agent this whole time +--- 57910648 +>>57910588 +You do realize that a BDE is supposed to fight along a unified 4km sector of frontage with its organic assets as per doctrine? You don't just weave your units in and out of each other's AO and fuck up their command and control, that's chaos. +--- 57910660 +>>57909464 (OP) +The general wouldn't be surprised considering past situations like Afghanistan. Generals tend to not be as retarded as the average /k/ poster. +--- 57910681 +>>57909856 +you make do with what you got at the moment +--- 57910751 +>>57910648 +It’s standard NATO doctrine. Ukraine is trained by NATO. There’s nothing that says every unit of an element has to stick together in block formation. +--- 57910763 +>>57910626 +We had a referendum on the modern left in 2016 and it lost and that was a very light flavor of socialism. As a country we were more left wing in the 70s than we are now in all but social issues +--- 57910779 +>>57909675 +fascism is when you want to kill bolsheviks ofc +--- 57910788 +>>57910751 +>It’s standard NATO doctrine +Ukraine does not follow standard HATO doctrine, that is literally vatnik propaganda +The UAF are in essence a soviet structure nearly identical to the r*ssians +The only difference being the r*ssians are fucking retarded +--- 57910798 +>>57910405 +>I wonder what the russians have in reserve against this truckload of pain that it's coming to them in May. + +Hundreds of factory fresh surprise Armata disguised as T-54/55 for discreet subsurface rail deployment for which this was a civilian cover: + +https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/corporate/2020/4/nothing-boring-about-this-23-boring-machines-break-a-record-title-in-russia-615432 + +Those TBM were quietly inserted in OPs mum for transport to the front where they could safely exit beneath bomb-proof cover of gunt. Like a hairy U-boat pen with beefy blast curtains this ensures anything less than ground boring nukes will do nothing (but imagine the smell). + +As we write they are nibbling voraciously beneath Uhoholkrop defenses to blast forth in a stroke of strategic brilliance. +... +If they had quality vehicle reserves they'd have to hide those from prying "eyes" from ground to space to data analytics. They might and those might be ignored in public so they'll continue imagining the deception works. Every complex system has a trail of subsystems, parts, transactions, procurement info and other data. +--- 57910800 +>>57910751 +portions of ukraine were trained by nato. notably, that doesn't include all the senior officers coming out of retirement for the war. +--- 57910806 +>>57910127 +whats up with 3rd worlders and mutts always bringing up niggers while at the same time watching thug shaker vids of niggers prostituing themselvs to whites +--- 57910807 +>>57910157 +I feel like the 82nd is but maybe I’m overestimating challengers +--- 57910810 +>>57909464 (OP) +I dont think anyone would be surprised by that in fucking 1989 +--- 57910813 +>>57910788 +Neither of those means they're not free to adapt to circumstance, which has worked surprisingly well so far. +--- 57910822 +>>57910788 +But they follow your feelings right. They’re going to throw light APCs like Stryker and m1113 and maxxpros next to tanks and spearhead an assault. You know this because you saw a piece of paper that put them next to eachother +--- 57910838 +>>57910751 +You sound not necessarily experienced in irl military matters, but I can tell you that it isn't an RTS game. + +You take a brigade that was formed together, has its own internal comms structure, standard operating procedures, and most importantly REHERSED and trained together and you have the a more efficient fighting force. If you chop up all their companies and battalions inidividually and get too many new units in the mix you're introducing a lot of friction. You can absolutely have SOME outside enablers attached but once you exceed a certain number your command and control goes to shit. +--- 57910859 +>>57910822 +nta, but they're not americans with the luxury to wait to deploy APCs after air power has destroyed enemy positions. +Doing WW2 style assaults with them seems like the most likely case, just like they've done so far. +--- 57910873 +>>57909464 (OP) +M55 is sexo. slovenes know how to apply ERA. +--- 57910879 +>>57909607 + +Israel is, in truth, one of the US' most prized colonies. + +People dont like to talk about it but SK, Japan, Germany and Israel are all essentially just autonomous US colonies +--- 57910881 +>>57910859 +Having IFVs maneuver with the tanks and APCs shuttling infantry around is exactly how they will use them. I’m sorry you don’t understand this yet +--- 57910882 +>>57909464 (OP) +Imagine? In 1989? +Yes, we were gaming this scenario +--- 57910883 +>>57910879 +>Germany +No + +The rest, sure. +--- 57910902 +>>57910822 +>They’re going to throw light APCs like Stryker and m1113 and maxxpros next to tanks and spearhead an assault +they have literally being doing that for 14 months so far +and it worked because the r*ssians are subhumans that don't represent a NATO peer in the slightest +>>57910838 +Thank you +UAF BDEs are clearly and almost autistically acting separately in their assigned sectors +They have elements of the TDF, NG, SOF, Border Guard and even police attached to them, +but the heavy elements of individual BDEs do not intermix +--- 57910905 +>>57910822 +Agreed, NATO units generally keep tracked armor with tracked mech infantry if it's a true mech infantry or armored brigade. Wheels and tracks together is an option build out of necessity which in the case of a U.S. stryker BDE is strategic mobility and lack of logistics for all their tanks. In Ukraine's case it's because there just aren't enough tracked APCs left to form cohesive armored BDEs +--- 57910922 +>>57910298 +Then don't call them commies call them Russian Nationalists like everyone else because it's accurate and admits that the stupid sleight of hand trick right wingers try to pull with this conflict is wrong. +--- 57910938 +>>57910806 +they resent white people but they can't actually say they do without getting humiliated, so they continually recast white people as trannies, gays, niggers, etc +--- 57910949 +>>57909529 +Looking forward to watching the same happen to Russian. +--- 57911007 +>>57909760 +>leaked documents +It has been known for over six months. Are these people retarded? +--- 57911013 +>>57909954 +>US providing 90% of the western hardware + +Jesus christ euros get in the fucking game. +--- 57911026 +>>57910902 +They’ve been doing it for 14 months because they haven’t had proper IFVs. They’ve had BMPs which are on par with western APCs +--- 57911030 +>>57911013 +There aren't any Euros that have available hardware that are willing to give. +--- 57911051 +>>57911030 +Like, there's France, GBR, Italy, Greece, Turkey, maybe Spain and maaaaybe Germany. The rest have depleted availability. +--- 57911072 +>>57911026 +So now they have 90 Bradleys and 40 Marders +Enough for 1.5 mechanized BDEs +Is this going to be the only true IFV force supporting the tanks? +They are not going to "misuse" APCs and MRAPs out of necessity? +--- 57911079 +>>57909464 (OP) +It is pleasing this tragedy is ingenuine. Let us bolster the consciousness of freedom! +--- 57911122 +>>57909497 +Military has pretty much always been way gayer than the general population. Dudes who live almost all their lives apart from women and domestic life. Gee, I wonder. Got even gayer when women were allowed in the military since for just as obvious reasons it skewed hard toward lesbians. Fail to see the problem. +--- 57911146 +>>57909954 +>Polish and Canadian tanks fighting together once again +BASED +--- 57911210 +>>57910873 +The Slovenes didn't apply it. The Israelis did. +--- 57911213 +>>57911146 +It's going be a Canadian-Norwegian-Polish 2A4 force iirc +Sadly their only achievement so far is wrecking 2 Leos on a training ground in Poland +--- 57911320 +>>57910298 +dangerously based post +--- 57911351 +>>57909954 +jesus, nightmare fuel for logistics... +--- 57911389 +>>57911072 +The Bradley make up the bulk of the IFV force +--- 57911424 +>>57910269 +>>57909954 +why are there t72 from netherlands? is that just them financing them up from someone so its counted as them? +--- 57911454 +>>57911424 +yeah, they financed the refurbishment of some czech t-72s +--- 57911753 +>>57909752 +>>57910366 +/pol/faggots and the other assorted subversive animals have always whined that Israel depends on the US for their security and survival. In a fit only befitting the most lowly of beastial vermin, they twist this as the half-jewish slavs being the ones in a position of power and advantage and not the US... +--- 57911773 +>>57909954 +this has been known for ages even before the leaks, they're with the 47th. + +>>57911454 +45 t72 financed by the dutch and another 45 financed by the US +--- 57913918 +>>57909464 (OP) +>Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a commie.... +>How about side by side with a friend? +--- 57913982 +>>57909476 +lmfao +--- 57914307 +>>57909984 + +Your lies have no power here, comrade tranny. +--- 57914434 +>>57910043 +woah, George Washington was a Chinese and Russian shill... thanks you agent glowie for correcting my knowledge +--- 57915165 +>>57909984 +Tankies? They openly advocate pro-russian, pro-north korean and pro-chinese talking points. +--- 57915236 +>>57910763 +>We had a referendum on the modern left in 2016 +wot +--- 57915294 +>>57910269 +are there more of these BDE equipment tables? diff --git a/k/57909518.txt b/k/57909518.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a46174a9189333fbd903610f769dfe4dff38054a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909518.txt @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +----- +--- 57909518 +Have been used in the most mass shootings out of any other AR mfg, what do they do to make themselves so appealing to mass shooters? +Should they just rename themselves to Daniel Offense? +--- 57909534 +>>57909518 (OP) +Because DD gets contracts for a dime a dozen by glowies who then groom people into doing shootings +--- 57909810 +Mass shooters should get sponsors and wear brand logos just like NASCAR drivers. Imagine wearing a jacket with DD, Glock, Magpul, Eberlestock etc logos all over it, walking into a mall, waving at the cameras, and gunning down amerisharts left and right as people across the country cheer into their phones. We are about to put The Running Man and all other dystopian fiction to shame. Truly the greatest time to be alive. +--- 57909820 +>>57909810 +During the Las Vegas shooting Stephen Paddock supposedly expent 3000+ rounds of ammunition over the course of ten minutes from 27 AR-15's with bumpstocks despite the facts that it would have required him to drop a gun after each 30 round magazine was empty, even though videos from survivors show that it was a nonstop stream of ammunition with a firing rate much higher than a bumpstock is capable of producing from multiple locations that appear to be M240 LMG's. More interesting is the fact that after the FBI took over the investigation, his house somehow burned down with all of the evidence, and photos of the hotel room he shot from only show 50 spent shells. Years later we still have no motivation, and there was strangely no follow up on the biggest mass shooting in US history. Most confusing is that the day after his brother had numerous press interviews where he claimed it made no sense, he was arrested for possessing several hundred terabytes of child porn on a 20 year old computer running Windows 95, at least according to the photos taken by the FBI. +--- 57909843 +>>57909820 +>0 of these statements are factual +Based schizophrenia +--- 57909859 +>>57909843 +Thanks for clarifying for us glownigger +--- 57909871 +>>57909820 +>>57909843 +>>57909859 + +Bots. +--- 57909898 +>>57909518 (OP) +why didn't this guy use 308 he was a millionaire wasnt he? +--- 57909913 +>>57909518 (OP) +They're defending society against Chad and Stacy. +--- 57909975 +>>57909820 +I've seen this copy pasta before. official numbers are closer to 1000 rounds and he literally did drip a gun after every mag +--- 57910020 +>>57909975 +the amount of bad info surrounding this event is the real psyop. the waters are so fucking muddy because schizos will come into any thread and spout that shit off. i knew LEO's that responded to the shooting and they confirmed it was modified Slidefires but there's still dumb niggers that will argue with me on that lmao. +--- 57910032 +>>57909820 +This was written by a blue hedgehog +--- 57910045 +damn that trench combat footage has the russia shills working doubletime +--- 57910055 +>>57909534 +>first reply is a schizopost about glowies +gIowie screecher embarrassing himself again, we see. Imagine thinking such rant about glowies does anything except make others laugh at you. +--- 57910110 +>>57909975 +he also had a bunch of casket mags and drums... what makes anyone think he was using 100 30 round magazines? you can even see them in >>57909975 + + +ALSO anyone that says they know "what kind of gun it was" is a retard considering how wildly different a gun sounds when fired from the middle of a huge building surrounded by other huge ass buildings with flat faces, easily could make one weapon sound like multiple. +--- 57910120 +>>57909518 (OP) +>what do they do to make themselves so appealing to mass shooters? +they sell to governments +--- 57910150 +>>57909810 +that was a spider-man villain's scheme a few years ago +--- 57910163 +>>57909518 (OP) +The FBI gets a discount from DD +--- 57910211 +So what you're saying is that out of all the AR brands out there Daniel Defense has a proven record of killing people without issue? Damn I'm glad I bought one a couple days ago +--- 57910617 +>>57909975 +And the fact that he shot from two different windows +--- 57910916 +>>57909810 +>be innashooting +>about to die +>shooter suddenly stops +>"Sign up for Raid Shadow Legends today" +>politely ask him to kill me so I don't have to hear another raid ad again +--- 57911999 +no so fast +--- 57912483 +>>57909518 (OP) +>what do they do to make themselves so appealing to mass shooters +they gave the FBI a volume discount. +--- 57913498 +>>57909534 +How can grooming be real? Just walk away from the screen. +--- 57913632 +>>57910055 +Fucking glownigger +--- 57913833 +>>57913632 +Everything is the governments fault until they do something (You) like. Dumbass. +--- 57913874 +>>57909518 (OP) +all the shooters were jewish and daniel is a jewish name +--- 57914301 +>>57909518 (OP) +Selling on credit? Cause most of the shooters aren't planning on sticking around to pay the CC bill? +--- 57914324 +>>57909518 (OP) +They make reliable weapons. +--- 57914348 +>>57909518 (OP) +Damn Daniel Defense, back at it again with glow ops! +--- 57914793 +>>57909820 +>videos from survivors show that it was a nonstop stream of ammunition with a firing rate much higher than a bumpstock is capable of producing from multiple locations that appear to be M240 LMG's +Lmao now you're just talking out of your ass. +--- 57914982 +>>57909975 +Sounds like he had a helper that got away that they never caught. +--- 57915001 +>>57910020 +Modified how +--- 57915185 +>>57909518 (OP) +>daniel +>god my judge/god is my judge +>used most by mass shooterings +Hmm +--- 57915201 +>>57909820 +The firing rate matches more with an rpd or rpk diff --git a/k/57909629.txt b/k/57909629.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..79fc7914fe2c199538d77c1f7e5d80201583631c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909629.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +----- +--- 57909629 +The 124 grain offering in this same product line gives significantly more energy and still exceeds the FBI's own penetration requirements. The higher the impact velocity, the more rapid the expansion, and thus the better the performance on shallow, thin-skinned targets like humans. The expanded diameter of bullets recovered from gel doesn't tell you WHERE in the chest cavity it reached that diameter. Did it reach full expansion AFTER going through the heart? You don't know. Impact velocity should therefore be as high as possible without sacrificing total penetration. The 135 grain bullet seems foolish and needless. It also puts velocities in the awkward transonic zone where accuracy may suffer. A handgun bullet should either be subsonic or above 1200 fps, not in between. +--- 57909659 +>>57909629 (OP) +shut up, retard +--- 57909761 +>>57909659 +Ukraine lost, get over it. +--- 57909862 +>>57909629 (OP) +Feds are autistic spergs who are also noguns retards. Hence why contract guns for them are so fucking stupid half the time like the FBI HRT Geissler rifle with LAW folding stock +--- 57909925 +>handgun ammo +who cares +--- 57909940 +>>57909862 +And babyhands manlets who couldn't handle the 10mm. +--- 57909942 +>>57909629 (OP) +JHPs expand very quickly. You can more or less see the neck length in gelatin, with many premium bullets it’s like an inch. + +Various bullets are engineered to expand differently depending at different velocities. It is not a given that a slower bullet will expand less quickly. + +I agree that 135 gr Critical Duty is not the best loading around but I doubt the 124 gr is an improvement, granting that I haven’t bothered to go back and look up NLs. 124 gr Gold Dot or HST (perhaps in +P configuration) or, better yet, the previous generation of 147 gr HST before Federal nerfed it, would have been preferable in my eyes. Unless you’re spending all your time conducting traffic stops which to be fair is the job of a lot of beat cops I suppose. +--- 57910034 +>>57909942 +The 124 grain is significantly higher energy. 424 ft lbs vs 384 for the 135 grain version. Energy matters because it correlates with temporary wound cavity and physiological trauma and psychological deterrence/pain compliance in an attacker. It's a mistake to think that only permanent wound cavity matters, Mike Tyson could knock you out without any permanent wound cavity at all. Tissue being smacked by sudden energy dump via rapid deceleration of expanding bullets causes tremendous pain. +--- 57910135 +>>57909940 +This old ass meme is never going to fucking die is it +This is just MUH 45 STOPPINPOWAH for zoomers +You overpaid for 40, cope and take the L +--- 57910171 +>>57910135 +10mm is actually an appreciably higher level of terminal performance than conventional pistol rounds. The difference on living game animals like deer is undeniable. 9mm and 45ACP are more similar to one another. +--- 57910326 +>>57909761 +The fuck does that have to do with anything? +--- 57910412 +>> 57909629 (OP) (You) (Faggot) +And yet OP was completely unable to produce even the most basic research and metrics to back up a single word of his underage spergepost. Even for a slide thread, shit-tier effort. + +(You) have to go back -->> >>>/hr/catalog +--- 57910583 +>>57909942 +Is the new HST shit? I would imagine that's also why T-series became unobtainium as it's too effective against feral dindus +--- 57911613 +>>57910583 +Nah, not shit, 147 gr HST is still quite good. But expansion doesn't seem to be as spectacular anymore and there have been anecdotal reports from notable figures stating it's been experiencing failures to expand on the street. + +In light of this, some of those people - and I suppose I'm inclined to agree - have trended towards the 124 gr +P HST and/or 124 gr +P Gold Dot (iirc) for the sake of consistency. There are other good 124 gr loadings too but those two certainly carry some reputation and track record. + +The newest generation of Ranger-T seems to work about as well as the HSTs when it functions properly, but it seems they may have a higher failure rate due to lower QC/cutting machinery maintenance. I am aware that this was at least previously an issue with 230 gr standard pressure Ranger-T, though it was reported that using +P would fix the issues with the bad lots, at least at close range. +--- 57912095 +>>57911613 +124 +p is consistently the best performer in every test, from every ammunition and bullet manufacturer, in every gun and barrel length, and at every distance. Virtually all modern 9mm pistols are designed to handle a steady diet of +p ammunition. There's really no reason to choose anything else unless recoil sensitivity is a factor. +--- 57912120 +>>57909629 (OP) +You know what? I'm willing to have one of you dipshits shoot me with the different grain bullets. I'll tell you how effective they are compared to each other. +--- 57913916 +>>57909629 (OP) +IIRC they were seeking a round that performs better after passing through barriers. diff --git a/k/57909645.txt b/k/57909645.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..35ef783db96445f6311eaf2724b18653c68b5133 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909645.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1601 @@ +----- +--- 57909645 +No waco thread?!?!? +Lets fix that. +Post FLIR footage, post shoot outs +Hate on atf agents +--- 57909655 +>>57909645 (OP) +Rest in pepperonis. +--- 57909661 +Ohhh baby look at tbis man of action! Standing tall! +--- 57909671 +>>57909645 (OP) +FBI be like +>we uhhh needed to save those children from them uhh pedophiles by uhh burning their entire family to death +--- 57909678 +>>57909661 +Bro was running a m14? Thats alot of stopping power for kids and prego chicks? +What would your lode out be? +--- 57909679 +>>57909645 (OP) +They could let him finish his fucking book. +--- 57909690 +>anniversary + +you're over a month late, op. +--- 57909696 +Here is the "captured" arms from David and Co .....grom the bulldozed burned down compound btw.....rate their rigs.....somehow not destroyed +--- 57909726 +Just an example of why the second amendment is useless. The second amendment is like throwing an AR-15 into a pen of cattle so they can defend themselves from slaughter. The government can literally mass murder innocent people in cold blood and the citizenry will do nothing about it other than watch a documentary about it. +--- 57909728 +>>57909696 +>.... +>..... +>..... + +how old are you? also those weapnos are made of steel, why tf do you think a building collapsing would turn them to dust? +--- 57909731 +>>57909690 +That's the start date fren +Today is the date they got burned alive by the Patriots with their huge Sheepdog cocks swining ....ooorraahh.... + +Saved so many frim David's bad touch! +--- 57909751 +>>57909731 +>Today is the date they got burned alive + +why were they shooting at the feds? +--- 57909762 +>>57909728 +are you saying jet fuel cant melt steel beams? did you just deny a cia narrative bro??? +--- 57909765 +>>57909751 +why arent YOU shooting at the feds? +--- 57909774 +>>57909751 +Because feds always deserve to be shot at +--- 57909777 +>>57909728 + +>how old are you +Over 30 and i remember my government killing babies over some shitty AR'd, fucking boot licker. +You believe the atf sifted through a burned down multi level compound to find some fucking rifles? So bricks ash and corpses (not all recovered) but the guns yeah totally.......look at chapmans picture, you think they dug into that? +--- 57909780 +>>57909726 +>bait +--- 57909789 +>>57909645 (OP) +Dude was a diddler. They wanted to die. They poured the gas. +--- 57909797 +>>57909777 +>>57909762 +bodies aren't made of steel. of course they are going to dig through the rubble to look for guns. the burden of proving those guns weren't the Davidian's is on YOU. +--- 57909800 +>>57909671 +Pedo was like +>i uhhh don’t wanna get in trouble for running my pedo cult so I’m gonna pour gasoline all over the place so we all burn up together and go to heaven +--- 57909807 +>>57909751 +Seems like their religion, rights, land,children....were at stake and they sacked up better than we do. +All respect to the branch dividians for being real Patriots, bitch +--- 57909809 +>>57909797 +No it’d be on the prosecution and investigators not some random shitposter +--- 57909827 +>>57909789 +Its proven the tear gas was flammable and the flir footage shows the apc spraying flames in. +The fire was started by the government +--- 57909839 +>>57909789 +>>57909800 +Havent heard this bullshit before. As if all the families inside wouldnt notice the smell of gasoline everywhere. I'd call you insane but defending the feds already outs you as such. You cant even contemplate the possibility that the feds *could've just retreated*. But you'd rather have them save face and butcher entire families, because you're a bootlicker and derive your ego from the power of the state. +--- 57909850 +>>57909797 +You mean the inspector general of Janet Reno? So she authorized the murder, then upon internal review ahe found herself and the government faultless. +No fucking way your this dumb bro +--- 57909857 +>>57909645 (OP) +The reason right wingers are mad about Waco is because it proved that their resisting the state through armed militia larp couldn't happen in real life +--- 57909867 +the government is a faultless protector of our safety. do not challenge her +--- 57909883 +This device has flames shoot out its "gas spray rig" +You fucking boot licking child killer fans are fucking weird. +Even if your fed nsa types yiu gotta know it was wrong to kill babies +--- 57909890 +>>57909857 +Waco proved that military might can only burn the country into the ground, and they WILL use it against you just to save face. I guess you didnt see the news of a guy evading the police on his family ranch for 15 years until the charges were dropped. +--- 57909906 +>>57909671 +It sounds like David Koresh and Bill Clinton both had a fascination with young children. Do you think Koresh and Clinton went to the same hobbyist conventions, perhaps even riding on the same airplane? Do you think that Bill would want David done away with through extreme prejudice? I wonder sometimes. +--- 57909911 +>>57909883 +>This device has flames shoot out its "gas spray rig" + +can we see it? +--- 57909919 +>>57909696 +Notice how all the plastic hand guards are missing (melted) those ARs are made of aluminum not steel by the way. +--- 57909922 +>do illegal shit in your cult +>feds investigate +>shoot at feds +>feds shoot back +>cry about it for 30 years +lol +--- 57909924 +>>57909762 +>flashbangs cant melt steel barrels +--- 57909952 +>>57909906 +>basically repeating the fed argument that burning children alive was OK because uhhh he a pedo +jesus you guys are dumb as bricks +--- 57909955 +>>57909890 +I'm doing the same thing in my car. +--- 57909994 +>>57909952 +all you have is your appeal to emotion with 'uhhh they were burned alive!'. It was the davidian's choice to open fire on the feds. +--- 57910049 +>>57909994 +The feds opened fire first when they killed the Davidians dogs. +--- 57910060 +>>57909922 +It was a tragically mismanaged offensive that resulted in the deaths of many unarmed civilians. + +They were obviously lunatics but the government's decision to start a war with no negotiations was inevitably going to heighten the loss of life. +--- 57910072 +>>57910060 +>government's decision to start a war with no negotiations + +maybe the davidian's shouldn't have fired at the feds. also they had almost two months to negotiate. +--- 57910075 +>>57909994 +>we had a skirmish with some kooks because we're anti-gun fed cunts on a powertrip, even brought the MSM with us to show the world what fuckups we are +>this makes it OK for us call the FBI, the national guard and their tanks and burn US citizens alive +>OH NOOOO NOT THE HECKING OKLAHOMA BOMBING ONLY WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MASSACRE PEOPLE +--- 57910092 +>>57910075 +>nonsense fueled entirely by feelings +--- 57910099 +>>57910075 +That's right you fucking seething chud, the state holds a monopoly on violence, anyone who challenges that will be dealt with it. +--- 57910108 +>>57910072 +Let it be a war of attrition then. Why are they in firing distance if they're believed to be violent and armed? +--- 57910126 +>>57910108 +the feds were serving a warrant. why should they be intimidated by criminals? +--- 57910141 +>>57910126 +Because obviously "serving a warrant" with a small army against a religious nutjob cult results in unneeded bloodshed. +--- 57910145 +>>57909922 +>do illegal shit in your cult +The Davidians broke no laws. The child abuse accusations were investigated by cps and they found no evidence of any. The accusations of having unregistered machine guns were baseless, David Koresh and the local Sheriff offered to have the ATF come to their compound and inspect all their guns. +>feds investigate +A surprise raid with dozens of armed agents is hardly just "investigating" +>shoot at feds +The feds shot first and the Davidians defended themselves. +>feds shoot back +Feds shoot back, lose, then bring in tanks and shoot inflammable tear gas that catches fire burning dozens of men,women, and children, the people they were supposedly there to save, alive +--- 57910148 +Why does the Right support the alphabets and cops in this situation now? +Remember when they hated cops? +I was the old Libertarian right that thought fascist was an insult not a compliment, not this new corporate fascism +--- 57910165 +>>57910060 +>They were obviously lunatics +They just wanted to be left alone. +--- 57910166 +>>57910148 +They're fudds and don't want to update their gun collection to modern-relevant platforms +--- 57910172 +>>57910165 +Yeah, but they publicly had machine guns and believed David was the messiah or whatever. Pretty nuts. +--- 57910183 +>>57910148 +>Why does the Right support the alphabets and cops in this situation now? +We don't, these posters are fucking fedposters. +--- 57910185 +>>57910141 +yeah and you know what? ever since waco we don't see cults anymore. Japan has a problem with them and its why they have assassinations and terrorist attacks. +--- 57910194 +>>57910145 +>The Davidians broke no laws. + +then why did they open fire on feds when they showed up? +--- 57910197 +I am of the opinion that everyone there was awful. There is no good guy and there is no winning. It was a shitshow of epic proportions and anyone trying to latch onto a side is an ignoramus. +--- 57910198 +>>57909839 +You literally hear karesh and his bud talk about getting the gas poured and then later confirming it was poured. They knew what they were doing. +>>57909827 +Suicide by cop m8. The accelerant that nuked all the cultists in minutes was placed by the cultists. If a cop shoots a belligerent guy covered in gas with a taser and they explode into flames daring them to do it, “the government” goofed up in handling a retarded situation that was created by fucking retards. + +Of all the fucking militias and victims of government conspiracies you foreign larps could endlessly agitate about I don’t get why it’s gotta be the pedo cult guy that got exactly what he wanted. + +Make subversive cults for cooler reasons than young pussy. +--- 57910201 +>>57910183 +The average MAGApede's response to Waco is "In this house, we back the blue :)" +--- 57910214 +>>57910183 +It's the backash to the backlash. Schizo larpers were a good counterbalance to normies 5 years ago but now they've overstayed their welcome. +--- 57910216 +>>57910197 +yeah, normal people don't open fire on federal agents. the davidians were either hiding some shit or were brainwashed into believing schizoposting. +--- 57910217 +>>57910185 +There has been dozens more cults since then and are today. I'm almost convinced you're trolling because that is a retarded attempt at insight, purely in support of murderous federal agents. +--- 57910218 +>>57910172 +>Yeah, but they publicly had machine guns +They were normal semi autos. They had hell fires triggers that made it seem like they did. +>and believed David was the messiah or whatever. Pretty nuts. +That is nuts, I am a Christian and I believe David was wicked man leading others astray, but that does give the government the right to murder them. +--- 57910227 +>>57910216 +>show up to their home +>threaten them +>tell them to leave their homes and hand over their possessions +The government isn't god and doesn't get to control people like this + I remember when statist was an insult on 4chan +--- 57910233 +>>57910217 +>has been dozens more cults + +name some +--- 57910238 +>>57910194 +Because they shot the Davidians dogs? I would classify that as the Feds shooting first. +--- 57910240 +>>57910148 +No /k/ommando supports them. It's trolls knowing they'll get a rise out of people by posting pro fed shit. That's why they're lurking in the thread responding to every single post. +--- 57910251 +>>57910240 +/pol/ supports them and /pol/yps are 50% of posters now +Sad! +--- 57910254 +>>57909797 +>bodies aren't made of steel. +Did you know that bones actually have a hotter melt point than steel? +--- 57910259 +I refuse to believe that /k/ supports what happened in Waco and Ruby Ridge +--- 57910274 +>>57910216 +>yeah, normal people don't open fire on federal agents +Why do you keep repeating that lie? +--- 57910275 +>>57910218 +A former Davidian claimed they had M16 FCGs. Also the grenade thing... +--- 57910281 +>>57910227 +>>57910218 +God doesn’t exist stupid brown faggot lol + +Take you invasive Arab cult and go back. Stop ruining white people. +--- 57910282 +>>57910259 +I don't like what happened to either but when it comes to Waco I hate both karesh and the fbi/ATF. +--- 57910288 +>>57910254 +ok cool man have you heard of cremation? +--- 57910291 +>>57910259 +It's the fucking MAGApedes, bro +Trump was unironically the worst fucking thing to happen to the right +They would cheer for a gun grab as long as the gun grab was initiated by someone with an (R) +--- 57910293 +>>57910259 +Can't corner the dorner after all +--- 57910301 +>>57910274 +Why are you trying to normalize people firing on federal agents? You thirsty for some more dead retards to turn into martyrs for foreign propagandists? +--- 57910302 +>>57910291 +>>57910259 +>hear opinion you don't want to hear +>get responses to arguments that aren't "ok i concede" +>"Bros WTF are we being raided?" +--- 57910306 +>>57910275 +>A former Davidian claimed they had M16 FCGs +Those aren't illegal to own, as long as didn't drill a third hole in their lower they had no machine gun. +>Also the grenade thing +They weren't live grenades. +--- 57910321 +>>57910291 +Shut the fuck up nigger no one cares about your millionth attempt to divide and conquer. Trump was the most liberal candidate Republicans have had in years and you retards buy whatever slop your masters feed you for news. +--- 57910322 +>>57910185 +>Muh japan +They had shoko asahara that did way worse and had a further reach into jap society also japans history of assassination/plots/coups goes back to forever ago. You ever wonder why the jap navy and army In ww2 hated each other? +--- 57910325 +>>57910301 +Because you are allowed to fire on people shooting at you on your property retard. Fed or not +--- 57910331 +>>57910306 +constructive possession + +and with the grenades, ordering multiple boxes full of them and publicly stating that you're amassing arms for Armageddon probably (and reasonably) constitutes a crime +--- 57910334 +>>57909645 (OP) +Fuck Pigs in all their alphabet forms +--- 57910340 +>>57910325 +>Because you are allowed to fire on people shooting at you on your property + +please point to the evidence that shows the feds shot first. +--- 57910343 +>>57910288 +>purpose built enclosed disposal process +>still leaves bones that have to be manually pulverized +--- 57910345 +>>57910321 +>Trump was the most liberal candidate Republicans have had in years +How the literal fuck does that have anything to do with what I said +--- 57910347 +>>57910334 +Based +--- 57910354 +>>57910343 +>bones that have to be manually pulverized + +by a collapsing buildling +--- 57910355 +>>57910345 +Your position is incoherent and delusional from what I can tell. +--- 57910360 +>>57910291 +I still to this day don't understand how anyone but the least educated men of this country went along with that clown show + +>>57910302 +link your comment, we can debate. burning down buildings full of women and children is pretty indefensible though. +--- 57910367 +>>57909645 (OP) +Fuck the ATF and fuck the government. +--- 57910372 +>>57910354 +Really nigger? +--- 57910376 +>Another thread ruined by Trump/Right wing obsessed fedniggers +--- 57910381 +>>57910340 +https://www.salon.com/2000/07/06/waco_9/ +The feds shot the davidians dogs, which I would consider to be firing first. +--- 57910384 +>>57910360 +>burning down buildings full of women and children is pretty indefensible though. + +anyone who thinks the fire was started deliberately by either side is just trying to push a narrative. Maybe if we had damning radio traffic like with Dorner but we don't. +--- 57910387 +>>57909645 (OP) +Obligatory fuck the atf and David Chipman +--- 57910394 +>>57910355 +Fuck off kike +--- 57910401 +>>57910384 +Intentions aren't worth much, but lives weigh heavy +--- 57910403 +>>57910394 +Why do you project rabbi? +--- 57910411 +>>57910381 +they shot the dogs but were those the first shots of the battle? +--- 57910413 +>>57910384 +Keep chucking smoke, cs, and flashbangs and fires are bound to start. If the goal was to capture them alive starving them out would be best. Worst comes to worst and the cult kills themselves via spiked punch bowls then you'd be pretty blameless. +--- 57910416 +Im disgusted with the pro atf bullshit in this thread . +Its fucking gross, we aint talking about your legally elected sheriff and his men you went to school and church with + +Its fucking fed anti gun pieces of shit. +Fucking how has /k/ fallen this far. +Fucking bunch of red coat cock suckers in here +--- 57910427 +Everyone here in this thread is a massive dumbass. Anyone supporting either side is a dumbass. You are all retarded and have learned absolutely nothing from every other time threads like this pop up. +--- 57910430 +Just in case you don't remember... +Let me jog your memory +In a church they called the Waco compound +Back in April '93 +Seventeen Little Children +All so helpless and so small +Died a senseless death of gas and flames +How many names can you recall? + +Seventeen Little Children +Don't it make you wonder why? +Seventeen Little Children +How could they deserve to die? +Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves +Have we become so blind +Will Seventeen Little Children +Finally open up your mind? + +How did you sleep last night Bill Clinton? +Tell me did you feel their pain? +As Seventeen Little Children +Cried out and perished in the flames! +Attorney General Janet Reno +I accept your offer to resign +How can you stand for law and order now +When you won't answer to your crimes? + +Seventeen Little Children +All so helpless and so small +Seventeen Little Children +How many names can you recall? +Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves +Have we become so blind? +Will Seventeen Little Children +Finally open up your mind? + +I've heard it said "The Branch Davidians" +Only got what they deserved +Yet no one seems to know +What laws were broken +What was in the warrant +They never served? +Yesterday I sold my TV set +Stopped my subscription to the Times +To me it's plain to see the media +Was an accomplice to these crimes! + +Seventeen Little Children +Don't it make you wonder why? +Seventeen Little Children +How did they deserve to die? +Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves +Have we become so blind? +Will Seventeen Little Children +Finally open up your mind? + +Open up your mind! + +https://archive.org/details/CarlKlang-Extremist1999/Carl+Klang+-+09+-+Seventeen+Little+Children.mp3 +--- 57910433 +>>57910413 +>starving them out would be best. + +yeah until they do something crazy like mass suicide. jonestown was a fairly recent memory. +--- 57910434 +>>57910376 +>>57910291 +>>57910148 +The whole thread was about the State vs the Citizens, yet as if by magic some people start bringing up "The right" and Trump OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE after feddie arguments were blown the fuck out +--- 57910438 +ITT: + +>group of newfags make it very clear that they'll respond to any bait about a specific subject +>people make bait about that subject to get guaranteed replies +>newfags get butthurt because apparently zoomers don't know what trolls are +--- 57910444 +>>57910259 +You don’t need to “support what happened” to radicalize yourself into a retarded conspiracy cult for a bunch of weird narcissists and the morons they coerced into their sex cults. + +Ruby Ridge was more of an actual government fuckup and then conspiracy than Waco was though. Waco was a bunch of Texas retards doing what they do. The feds attempt to break the siege at Waco was retarded but they were operating with the assumption that the entire place wasn’t drenched in gasoline. + +Ruby Ridge on the other hand if i was walking my dog and a startled cop just started shooting im shooting back. + +My fascination is why you fags only care about the diddlers for Christ and white separatists lol. Government literally conspired against blacks and bombed socialists and shit for decades and nobody on the right gave a flying shit but then the government fucks over a few diddler/Nazi cults and suddenly it’s a problem. +--- 57910448 +>>57910430 +Based +--- 57910456 +>>57909726 +>Just an example of why the second amendment is useless. The second amendment is like throwing an AR-15 into a pen of cattle so they can defend themselves from slaughter. The government can literally mass murder innocent people in cold blood and the citizenry will do nothing about it other than watch a documentary about it. + +Timmy didn't need an AR-15 to avenge the victims of Waco twofold. +--- 57910457 +>>57910430 +this isn't /pol/, we don't spam threads with entire song lyrics here. +--- 57910465 +imagine defending glownigger pigs on /k/ and then pretending that you aren't a war tourist redditor or a faggot kike +--- 57910466 +>>57910411 +From the reports of survivors yes. +--- 57910475 +>>57910444 +>Government literally conspired against blacks and bombed socialists and shit for decades and nobody on the right gave a flying shit +Then start your own thread nigga +This is the waco thread +--- 57910483 +>>57910456 +Go take your edge and shitty bait somewhere else tard. +--- 57910490 +>>57910475 +>avoiding the fact you don't care about the police dropping bombs on black crazy people, only white crazy people. +--- 57910492 +>>57910444 +>but they were operating with the assumption that the entire place wasn’t drenched in gasoline. +More fucking retarded ATF lies +--- 57910501 +>>57910444 +>muh race and color skin and politics +You are beyond salvation. +--- 57910504 +>>57910456 +>blows up a whole bunch of kiddies in a day care + +wow thanks +--- 57910508 +>>57910490 +Because Blacks are not Americans, they shouldn't be here im the first place. +--- 57910516 +>>57910403 +>Got trust in Trump, he's totally the saviour of the white race ignore how his kids are all kikes, and look he's going to get the black vote in 2020 to show the left are the real racists +Where the wall? He had the house and the court. +--- 57910517 +Attention whores is what you all are. +--- 57910522 +>>57910416 +>>57910434 + +We're one year away from election time. I remember both here and 8 /k/unt turning gay for a long while until the elections were over. No I don't think Ukraine affects these threads because the average ukraine poster is either shitposting or talking about billion dollar weapon systems or updated maps like sports fans talk about games. +>Bruh WE did it WE'RE winning. WE something something. Btw WE also WE all over the WE while I WE and he WE my wife then WE... +>>57910433 +I covered that at the bottom of my post you no reading nigger faggot. +--- 57910532 +>>57910483 +>>57910504 +>shitting on Tim "Bombs Away" McVeigh on /k/ + +Get the fuck out redditnigger. +--- 57910534 +>>57910508 +Could say the same for Irish, Italian, Jewish, Eastern European, any external nationality + +Racists are always in denial that diversity is one of this nation's greatest strengths. We will take anyone's hard-working, disused populace. When they see our Lady Liberty, they will know they are home. +--- 57910550 +57910534 +(You) +--- 57910556 +>>57909645 (OP) +Let freedom ring with a shotgun blast +--- 57910563 +>57910534 +very ebin troll, not deserving of a you though. +--- 57910564 +>>57910433 +If they truly believed Koresh and his followers were Jim Jones types, wouldn't the logical thing to do be to serve the warrant on David in the town he freqently went in and out of? Not conduct a flashy raid on their compound for the sake od PR? +--- 57910579 +>>57910490 +The MOVE bombing was fucking despicable. The city was required to pay 15 million in 1985 dollars to the sole survivor and those made homeless. + +Very similar to the Waco bombing, with even less regard for human life. +--- 57910585 +why are schizos so obsessed with waco? +--- 57910587 +>>57910550 +>sees the word 'diversity' being used positively +>recoils involuntarily + +this site did a number on you. +--- 57910594 +57910587 +(You) +--- 57910602 +>>57910534 +>Could say the same for Irish, Italian, Jewish, Eastern European, any external nationality +Except for Jews, all White european Christians that were very capable of assimilating into Anglo American society. +>Racists are always in denial that diversity is one of this nation's greatest strengths +Ha ha ha ha +--- 57910607 +>>57910585 +It's one of the many times the ATF murdered a ton of innocent civillians, and /k/ hates the ATF. +--- 57910611 +>>57909696 +so are they all full auto and illegal or what? +--- 57910615 +>>57910602 +Why must you give him (you)s? +--- 57910616 +>>57910325 +>You are allowed +Tell that to your corpse after the cops are “allowed” to then blow up your house or snipe you after you refuse to give up. + +Also tell that to like the dozen people in the last 2 weeks that have been shot by paranoid boomers over like ringing their doorbell. You’re part of the problem that is radicalizing all these retards to just waiting for any opportunity to be “allowed to” defend themselves. + +And you’ll notice that all those people that “defended themselves” by shooting people for doing u-turns in their driveways or getting into the wrong car, they all DIDNT then hole up in their houses and get into weeks-long standoffs with the police did they? + +Like do you get why court systems exist and stuff and you’re just allowed to get into gun fights with the cops and then just… like go about your day? Whether or not you were allowed to do it has to be resolved in court, not with you barricaded in your house yelling through a door. Like do you get all that stuff? Is that whole article 3 part of the constitution not as important? +--- 57910622 +>>57910602 +I'm sure the redlining, segregation, and lack of accessible education had nothing to do with this. +--- 57910623 +>>57910579 +its just a shame it doesn't get brought up more often on here, and we all know why. +--- 57910632 +57910616 +(You) +--- 57910637 +>>57910587 +More like reality did a number on him +--- 57910639 +>>57910457 +Really? We post theclyrics to my little armalite all the time. +We post big bs +Stop seeing /pol/ behind every bush commie +--- 57910650 +>>57910639 +>Stop seeing /pol/ behind every bush +so close +>commie +and you ruined it. +--- 57910654 +>>57910148 +its lefty tourists from abroad and reddit on this board along with the damage control feds (or possibly an automated concerntrolling AI). + +>>57910165 +whats wrong with being weird? when did it become american to fit into a neat little box and everything outside of it is evil or insane and you shouldn't even talk about it? +--- 57910656 +>>57910490 +Yeah is it the anniversary of that. +Bro no one said bomb drop good. +Uou didnt start a thread about the MOVE bombing. +Have some tespect for the dead kids of Waco +--- 57910659 +57910616 +57910622 +57910623 +(((You))) +--- 57910665 +>>57910579 +>cops want to evict squatters from a building +>they chose to BOMB the fucking building + +What the fuck was the point of that? +--- 57910666 +>>57910490 +1) The charges against Koresh Inc were bogus and the group just wanted to be left alone +2) MOVE was actually aggressive towards other people and couldnt be left alone, and they shot first. +3) The police werent decorated for bombing MOVE, and actually said they were sorry + +In both cases excessive force was used, but in the case of MOVE, something had to be done. With Waco, there was no need - it was solely based on suspicion, anti-constitutional laws, hearsay, and Clinton. +--- 57910667 +>>57910534 +Demonstrate the benefits of this "diversity " +--- 57910678 +>>57910667 +if diversity is bad then why is america factually the most powerful country in the world? +--- 57910688 +>>57910444 +>bombed socialists + +Objectively a good thing, killing Communists is always a net positive for society. +--- 57910691 +>>57910678 +You mean the America that was founded as a whites-only state and practically remained as such until the 1970s? +--- 57910697 +>>57910665 +Don't have to go through with the eviction if there isn't a building to evict them from. Big brain strats my guy just ignore the pissed off people and you'll get a sweet desk job with the feds. +>>57910678 +Because everywhere else is fucking gay and should be dead. +--- 57910703 +>>57910678 +Anglo-Saxon work ethic, perfect land and climate, least fucked up in ww1 and 2 +Massive recources, weak enemies, easy to defend shores. +Friendly or weak neighbors + +Diversity has only weakened us the more it spreads +--- 57910707 +>>57909952 +You have no reading comprehension. +--- 57910726 +>>57909762 +Metal doesn't need to be melted for its structural integrity to be compromised +--- 57910733 +>>57910623 +/pol/ continues to leak into here. They love selling that white supremacy bullshit. Meanwhile black folks are in ivy league schools nationwide, accomplishing more than they ever will. + +>>57910667 +Filling out our land with more people than we can naturally produce. +--- 57910737 +>>57910444 +>bombed socialists +Clearly didn't bomb enough. +--- 57910739 +>>57910688 +Literally a “leopard eating people’s faces” party member whining when the fascist state you support does something naughty to the wrong side. Bomb the people asking for raises and rights, not the good guys like antisocial Nazis and pedophile cults! +--- 57910757 +>>57910691 +The Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Eastern Europeans, and the Blacks disprove this statement of your idealized ethno-state. Do you really want to be like Jerusalem? They are not doing so hot. +--- 57910775 +>>57910733 +>Filling out our land with more people than we can naturally produce. +Go back to europe you fucking nigger +t. Beaner +We will replace you cucks. +--- 57910802 +>>57910775 +I'm 100% American and so are you. +Or I'm Slovak, Cherokee, Irish, Italian, and Anglo. American rolls of the tongue easier. +--- 57910821 +>>57909922 +>Albright curled up in corner +>Hillary giving kill orders +>tanks & .50 spray from helicopters +>posse comitatus +Don't care if they were being skinned alive & fucking'm. +--- 57910828 +>>57910802 +Jesus Christ fuck off back to europe and die as a serf you nigger. +--- 57910844 +>>57910828 +I mean, I'd like to visit again, but uh, you remember what board you're in? It's not /pol/ +--- 57910865 +>>57910844 +Don't care you cuck porn watcher/dog fucker (whatever the fucks your sex). +--- 57910895 +>>57910360 +Indeed, it is indefensible. Whoever did it is a horrible person. But it seems that Karesh was the one who poured the fuel. >>57910198 +That building was going to go up in flames no matter what. +>>57910585 +People have spent 30 years trying to inflate it into a narrative of 'fuck the government, civil war now, buy a gun'. I personally blame the NRA, which was in full culture-war/SHALL/manufacturer shill mode by then. Ever since then it seems like guns aren't for fun, but for carrying out a no-fun power fantasy involving you, the MAN, and several bullet holes in THEIR faces. People should just… get a gun, and have fun shooting the gun because shooting a gun is fun. +>>57910667 +It's less effort and doesn't lead to stagnation. +Trying to preserve homogeneity takes effort. Marshaling people into set life outcomes based on race, or sex, or class, or ideology, or last name takes effort. Genocide takes a LOT of effort. For all that effort, you get stagnation and decline, as new ideas are stifled to preserve a hegemony and creative destruction is halted. +Meanwhile, letting people who are different than you live differently takes little effort, invites more change, is more likely to result in the creative destruction which ensures consistent prosperity under the only usable economic system, and frees up some energy to spend on more innovation and creative destruction. +--- 57910924 +>>57910757 +>your idealized ethno-state +I didnt write the US laws in the 18th century dude. It literally was founded for white people. Whatever it means. I just dont see how the inclusion of radically different people have ever brought anything but racial tensions and grief. It's not even democratic - how could I ever represent someone from a different culture and race, or vice versa? How could the blacks in USA ever get their right to self-determination when their share of the vote is only 10%? All it took was 4 years of Obama and everyone lost their minds about racebaiting. That's an incredibly glaring weakness of any multicultural society. I really dont see the upsides, especially when 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are not so hard-working anywhere from what I've seen. It's like taking a high-interest loan to get some quick money, and it certainly isn't healthy to form a foreign underclass in your country that does the cheap jobs. +--- 57910926 +>>57910259 +you don't own this site or the internet. "they" do, and they can manufacture what ever globohomo consensus they want. +--- 57910951 +If the FBI wanted to just kill all the children, why did they spend a lot of time negotiating for them to come out? If killing them was the goal, why didn't they just do it from the start? And if the Branch Davidians wanted to save the children, why did they stop negotiating to release the kids? Surely far from the fire line is more secure for them? +--- 57910984 +>>57910895 +Your argument against being raped out by invaders and internal threats is its to much effort. +Jesus fuck you are reddit tier retarded +--- 57911024 +If the ATF and FBI did nothing wrong, how come a bunch of evidence went missing during the investigations and hearings? How come when the evidence was found again decades later, it always backed up the Branch Dividian's story? +--- 57911034 +>>57910984 +But if they ain't hurting nobody, why should I care? +--- 57911062 +>>57910951 +They're besieged for no fault of their own by the state; there's little reason to trust that they'd ever see their children again. If the parents are shot dead anyway, the kids are likely to grow malignant. The feds didnt disengage like they should've because they wanted to save face. And for the same reason they wanted to get the kids out. Posing for pictures and getting decorated was fine after it couldn't be helped. Keeping the kids and hoping that the feds come to their senses was the choice with the best and most righteous outcome for them. Letting them go might've started the raid sooner, with no benefit to the children. +--- 57911073 +>>57911062 +>there's little reason to trust that they'd ever see their children again. If the parents are shot dead anyway, the kids are likely to grow malignant. + +the words of a deranged person +--- 57911103 +>https://youtu.be/yCTJBeX7XXI [Embed] +April 19th, '93 +A congregation under siege +Mt. Carmel lays to waste +Law/liberty have been disgraced +51 days of living hell +Found the children medium well +A community of love and peace +Cold blooded murder by the world police +Hillary Reigns +Orders abide +Green light from Washington +Avenge her wounded pride + +Words of reason turned to rage +A diabolic plot is staged +Cast the stone with wretched sin +A bloody onslaught shall now begin +Locked/loaded taking aim +Shoot to kill and pass the blame +Past the point of no return +In the fires of Babylon they shall burn +Live at the scene +3 miles away +media propaganda +story of the day + +Torch the motherfuckers +Go and do it now +render unto Caesar +tear your kingdom down +Fires of destruction +Fueled by flames of faith +Piss upon the Ashes +Of their charred remains + +Razor wire, gates abound +No way in, one way out +Terrorize the occupants +Force the hand of obedience +Obscene gestures, masturbate +These hallowed grounds you desecrate +Condemned to death with bloody thirst +They slaughtered their dogs +With lust perverse +Public address +Invade their sleep +This is the day these boots +Shall tread upon the sheep + +Storm the gates with lethal force +Sweep and clear with no remorse +Abram's anger, Huey's rage +Full on Hellfire starts the blaze +Panic stricken trapped inside +Choking on the Cyanide +Scorch and burn, fire at will +The Nahum prophecy has been fulfilled +80 have died +22 kids +Wake up and smell the smoke 'cause history repeats +--- 57911176 +>>57911073 +What do you mean to say, that children that grow up without their parents are more likely to become engineers, doctors, etc...? Or that the CPS cant possibly be corrupt; the police can, but NOT the CPS? +--- 57911212 +>>57910865 +This dude definitely watches all that shit they’re screeching about. + +Too specific kiddo you’re telling on yourself +--- 57911260 +>>57910198 +>You literally hear karesh and his bud talk about getting the gas poured +who hears this? link to audio? +--- 57911279 +Waco wouldn't have happened if they hadn't set up shop in Texas and instead went to Montana or Idaho actually out in the middle of fucking nowhere. They would literally still be operating to this day, and there are actual factual cults operating up there right now that nobody is doing a fucking thing about. I'll agree that the ATF and everyone involved in the government side of Waco was at best incompetent and at worst openly retarded, sure, but like.... maybe don't have a fucking cult in one of the most populous states in the country that has a hard dick for stomping anyone and anything they disagree with into dust. +>WELL YOU'RE JUST A FUCKIN KEK! +Enjoy getting burned alive with everyone you care about then, or sack the fuck up and actually go innawoods and dealwithit.png so you can do whatever wacky shit it is that you like. If you're trying to run a cult in a place that has a real tax-base you're a moron, that has only ever worked for scientology and only because they get so much dirt on everyone that is with them they could fuck shit up in a huge way if they were ever seriously pressed. +--- 57911312 +>>57911279 +The Davidians were literally several miles outside of town in a rural area, and they lived in that area since the 1930s. +What the fuck are you talking about? +--- 57911331 +>>57911260 +Not them but I can’t find the audio but you hear it in whatever the final recording is, they play it in some of the documentaries and series depending on how much they want to turn Koresh into a hero or not. + + +"They're coming in. They're coming in," a woman's voice cries out inside the compound. "They're tearing the building down." + +"Have you poured it yet?" another voice asks. + +"We want the fuel," a third voice says. + +"You got to get the fuel ready," says another. + +"I already poured it. I already poured it," comes the reply. + +"Don't pour it all out. We might need it later." +--- 57911376 +>>57911176 +>>57911062 +Are the kids the FBI got out dead or not? Cuz as far as I can tell there are interviews of them and they turned out relatively fine + +Also +>More likely to be engineers, doctors, etc? +Barely any of the white kids who have ever lived even pre Roosevelt ever achieved anything like that, so it's not like that is statistically likely regardless. Most people will achieve more like "nurse" or "work at Olive Garden" +--- 57911459 +>>57911331 +>depending on how much they want to turn Koresh into a hero or not. +Whats the best waco doc? +I'd prefer either something balanced and unbiased, or something that portrays the feds as the bad guys. +--- 57911474 +>>57911331 +Or the more likely cause of the fire was the fact that the ATF/FBI were using a form of tear gas which was an aerosol powder. It had been discontinued for years because it was known to have a massive flash fire risk. Said flash fire could have also likely been started by the simple fact that people were in a panic, and kicking over the gas lamps that the Davidians had been using since the government had cut the power early on in the siege. + +Follow me here: +>Government uses tracked vehicles to ram the wall in order to spray teargas into the building. This creates a ton of rubble/debris. +>Teargas being used is an old school aerosol powderized form which is notorious for starting fires [see MOVE] +>Davidians have been in a siege for 51 days and for several weeks have been without power, heat, or water. +>Davidians have been using candlelight and gas lamps... Open flames. +>Aerosol Powder + Rubble/Wood Fragments + Open Flame = Flash Fire +>Flashfire quickly engulfs the entire compound, with oxygen coming in from numerous windows/holes from gunfire. +>Building is made of plywood. +>Fire does what fire does. +Even without the fire itself, the teargas used had several warnings from the manufacturer stating to never use it on buildings/enclosed spaces as it would likely cause people to suffocate. +--- 57911578 +>>57911312 +The fuck I'm talking about is "several miles outside of town in a rural area" isn't innawoods/onnaplains up in the middle of fucking nowhere Idaho or Montana. They should've packed up and moved well before things ever became an issue, they didn't, they tried to stay and made it a big pissing match and the government is literally contractually beholden to out-piss anyone else when it comes down to it. They'd still be operating today if they hadn't tried to be a cult in one of the most populous states in the country, which was always a dumb move and living on borrowed time. If you wanna have a cult and do some weird shit you better have money and go do it where there ain't shit but cowpasture and missile silos and don't fuck with either of those two things and you can do whatever you like forever. +--- 57911727 +>>57911279 +Ruby Ridge happened in the middle of nowhere. +--- 57911731 +>>57910602 +The ironic thing is that I’ve had a Jewish college roommate and then lived with an antisemitic dude at a surf house for a while after college, and the antisemitic dude was really mentally I’ll and he didn’t assimilate into society really and he just sits around angrily shitposting on Facebook and I guess assuming I couldn’t hear him watching weird porn from across the house. + +Meanwhile my bud arob is sociable as hell. Married my college-gf’s Swedish-Irish roommate. Got a bunch of blond kids and a good job. How assimilated in “Anglo American society” are you sitting around shitposting about race politics? + +Is this what the anglo forebears that you pretend to have would have wanted from you?? Where even is your powdered wig? +--- 57911759 +>>57911474 +Tasers are known to be a fire risk. Tasers have caused people that had been in accidents and were covered in gas to explode in flames, and yet cops still use them. + +If a cop tases someone and they explode is that cop a murderer? +--- 57911907 +>>57911731 +>Arab +>married a Swede + +These memes just write themselves +--- 57911949 +>>57911331 +Thanks. Looking up on youtube I can see an agents account of the audio, but I haven't been able to find the actual audio itself. Was wondering if it was ever released to the public or if the only thing available are 2nd hand accounts/recreations. +--- 57912203 +>>57909696 +Yeah well those guns are fuckin ruined and it would be a miracle to get them up and running again. Fire is no fuckin joke I'm sure some of barrels are warped and all the steel components are soft as shit. +>t. currently working on a warehouse burnt AK +--- 57912359 +>>57911759 +this is more of an admin fuck up. they should not have been using tear gas that was discontinued for being flammable +--- 57912463 +If kids were the priority why didn't the police grab koresh while he was outside? Why not grab him away from the compound and demand the release of the children Instead of doing the risky shit of serving a warrant on the front door of this supposed crazy blood sacrificing pedo cult. Just pick them off when they're away from protection and use the leaders to ask them to give up. Why is it that if you think the feds fucked up by making a big ass siege and either starting the fire (intentionally or not) or stressing crazy people which leads them to do stupid shit involving self immolation you're now a fanboy of the davidians? +--- 57912501 +>>57910602 +Do you have a source for the data shown on the graph? +--- 57912601 +>>57909800 +Post gun lol +--- 57912636 +>>57912463 +if they're a blood sacrificing pedo cult im glad the feds decided to attack them +--- 57912657 +>>57912636 +k so then why burn the kids you're trying to save or stress them into doing stupider shit. +--- 57912792 +>>57909789 +>>57909797 +>>57909922 +>>57910099 +>>57910072 +>>57910126 +>>57910194 +No gun +--- 57912811 +>>57910216 +This country was founded on normal people opening fire on federal agents. +--- 57912848 +>>57912657 +What if they didn't? What if the feds really did pump in CS to save da kids and it was the apocalypse cultists marrying their 14 year olds to a sketchy polygamist who set the fires like the recordings say? +It's not what I believe but you have to admit it is a position. + +>>57912811 +George Washington put a stop to that with the Whiskey Rebellion. Once the Revolutionary War achieved its goal, the normies had to put down the schizos and get back to building a productive society. +--- 57912919 +>>57912601 +>>57912792 +>scrolling through a day-long thread and finding all the posts you don't agree with and asking them to post guns because you don't like their opinion +--- 57913174 +>>57910259 +It's obviously being raided and just a bunch of misinformation. +--- 57913286 +>>57912848 +Then why stress them into doing stupid shit. Why not grab koresh and other leaders when they were outside. +--- 57913333 +>>57910444 +>"christ diddlers" +>"retarded texans" +>groups you don't like so them getting murdered is ok +>meanwhile "b-but black people, muh heckin MOVE bombing" +Waco and ruby ridge should prove to you it was never about color. This shit has happened to whites,blacks,indians,reds,blues,greens whatever. So you can toss your shit ass racial crybaby paradigm. The moment you open your mouth about divde and conqure racial BS you're no better then a government shill. Youre the one changing the conversation from "wow the governments fucked up" to "fuck -insert race here-" you fucking grifter +--- 57913349 +>>57913174 +>the “antigovernment” foreigners advocating for people in countries they hate doing a suicide by cop are our frens +>the actual rational Americans with moderated and informed opinions about their own country’s politics are misinformation +--- 57913359 +>>57909645 (OP) +Fuck the feds. +--- 57913379 +>>57913333 +It was about color lol. Was literally and explicitly about color since England set the African black standard for determining who could be enslaved or not. + +If it was anyone other than far right Christian groups there wouldn’t have been weeks of feds begging them pretty pwease to come out. + +And you dumb foreign niggers wouldn’t constantly spam shitposts about it as agitprop. +--- 57913396 +>>57913333 +but hes right tho. waco, ruby ridge and, to a lesser extent, blair mountain, are the only ones the noided-right talk about. you cant pretend to take off your racism hat so you can play the 'we all have to work together!' card +--- 57913406 +>>57913286 +yeah lol what will a religious cult do if you kidnap their leader? +--- 57913409 +>>57913349 +>>57913379 +>If you don't trust the govt you're a foreigner +Fuck off retard. Euros are peasants, Squints are happy little bugmen, Africans don't even bother with this shit, Muslims become regular faggots the second they reach the west and don't have access to dancing boys. Fuck you +--- 57913410 +>>57913349 +You are a tremendous faggot and strawmanning like a pro. Which means you are probably an adult. And I feel sorry that this is how you derive happiness in your life. +--- 57913430 +>>57913406 +So a religious cult is incapable of not drinking the koolaid but the second mr messiah says "don't do thing" they literally can't even and just chimp out. +--- 57913462 +>>57911731 +Methinks it's the pressure. Your immigrant friend had to prove himself worthy of calling himself American. Around the second or third generation, families start getting comfortable in their environment and just stop living up to that lofty ideal. + Every high-schooler should have to take a citizenship test for their diploma. One opportunity a year, failure means repeating their final year and not graduating. Give them a similar pressure to live up to that lofty ideal. +--- 57913500 +>>57910259 +I don't why you're surprised, consider the number of war tourists on here now +--- 57913518 +>>57913286 +>aaaa you can't bring firearms and bulletproof trucks to meet armed extremists! they was good boys obeying the law! +>aaaaa you can't expect good boys obeying the law to act normal! The feds should have known they was polygamous pedos! +Whatever anyone says, you'll pick the opposite so you can always blame the feds and excuse the Branch Davidians. It's a simplistic language trick to avoid responsibility. +--- 57913532 +>>57913410 +Wait so are you saying you’re a kid? Can you like fuck off? You have to be 18 to use this site schlomo. +>>57913409 +Larp larp larp larp larp. You talk like a ferner trying to prove you’re American lol. + +And the funny thing is you seem like you could be a real boy which always makes it even more fascinating because sometimes they’re better at talking like Russian shills than the Russian shills. +--- 57913552 +>>57913532 +>anyone who fails my schizophrenic shibboleth is a fed, anyone who passes is a well disciplined fed! +The true fed is inside your cranium sweetie. +--- 57913553 +>>57909645 (OP) +A genuine act of government tyranny and object lesson in why 2A needs to be defended and strengthened. RIP to the dead. +--- 57913564 +>>57913518 +No retard skip the siege skip the shooting just watch his ass. Next time hes out and about in town away from the compund pound his ass with nightsticks and chuck him in the paddywagon along with everyone else he was with. Nah fuck that let's make everything more retarded by introducing more stress and chances for fuck ups to happen. +--- 57913578 +>>57913564 +>aaaaa they black bagged him like the Communist Russian Black Marias instead of knocking on the front door with the warrant like real Americans! +The schizos would have been enraged by that too. +--- 57913581 +>>57913532 +Nigger you're brain fried. Not everything is some thirdworld shit hole that only exists because of America's greatest fuck up (lend lease) +--- 57913593 +>/k/: i hecking hate federinos +>also /k/: i hecking love paying taxes it kills ziggers +? +--- 57913606 +>>57913578 +If it turns out he if I have people I'm responsible for sending them into avoidable situations I'd rather take the blame than to get people shot. If the goal is saving the kids then getting these people away from them is the better option. Not let them be comingled with everyone else where shit could happen. +--- 57913612 +>>57913593 +Killing innocent kids is bad whether feds, schizos, or russians do it. +You must be over 5 years of age to understand this. +--- 57913636 +>>57909645 (OP) +April 19 is the first day of the 13-day Satanic ritual day relating to fire, the fire god, Baal, or Moloch/Nimrod (the Sun God), also known as the Roman god, Saturn (Satan-Devil). This day is a major human sacrifice day, demanding a (Fire sacrifice) with an emphasis on children. + +https://concreteconspiracy.substack.com/p/satanic-ritual-abuse-calendar +--- 57913679 +>>57912919 +glow +--- 57913685 +>>57913612 +>You must be over 5 years of age to understand this. +So kids don't understand that they shouldn't kill each other? Explains Africa. +--- 57913856 +>>57910233 +>NXIVM +>Angel's landing +>Warren Jeff's fundamental Church +>Buddahfield +And the Branch Davidians still exist and were holding bible readings at Waco up until 2013. Lots of crazy cults out there and many that started before the BD and did way worse shit like mass suicides still exoat in some form or with a new paint job. +--- 57914300 +>Koresh became cult leader because of shootout with his rival +>Koresh proclaiming that the apocalypse will happen during shootout in Waco with feds +>Koresh fucks children, one of his wifes even now defends it with ''well we have different prespective on when they are adults'' +>Koresh starts ordering fake grenades through postal services, clearly baiting the goverment +>Koresh starts ordering tools to make fully auto weapons from semi, stacking up weapons as well +>Snatching Koresh out of building could lead to mass suicide or worse behavior if leader dissapear, Janestown was a fresh memory +>Feds want to search building, Koresh just slam the door and told them to fuck off. One Fed shoot dog making troubles outside +>Davidians open fire, they later execute ATF agent which got stuck in the compound +>FBI negotiate for months release of childrens, Koresh is keeping them as human shield chip and purposefully is making videos with them +>Parents dont let their kids out even when IFV and tanks are outside of the building, they rather let them get fuck by kiddydiddler +>Negotiations going nowhere, compound is heavily armed, they stockpiled food and other shit +>Feds decide to tear down the walls and get them out with teargas, Davidians on record start pouring gasoline everywhere to kill their kids in flames +>One Davidian is even snatched outside while doing that, feds are asking her where the childrens are, she refuses to tell them +>Postpone decades, Davidians claims that fucking children, and stockpiling ammunition to kill feds while baiting them with fake grenades was ok and ATF have no reason to be there. + +Anyone who defends Davidians is just a retard. +--- 57914353 +>Also there is no evidence that feds shoot the dog so far I'm aware +--- 57914369 +>>57909800 +Glownigger retard. +--- 57914420 +>>57913612 +Stop being racist. +--- 57914443 +>>57912919 +Yes. It's the great filter, faggot. +--- 57914450 +>>57914353 +>ATF Agent confesses that he "may have" witnessed an agent open fire on the dogs before any shots were fired. +>Shortly after he retracts his statement saying "Just kidding, lmao, we didn't shoot the dogs first, I just misremembered." +--- 57914455 +>>57913581 +You’re probably living in actual third world living standards you bozo +--- 57914459 +>>57913379 +>>57913349 +>>57913396 +>>57913406 +>>57914300 +No gun no opinion, post your gun or go back where you came from. +--- 57914463 +>>57914450 +>Still dog, who cares. Opening fire from several points on federal agents because one firearm went off it's not execuse. + +Also everyone seems to stop remember that they executed agent which was stuck inside the compound after shootout ended. Feds weren't aggresive enough. +--- 57914469 +>>57914463 +>Also everyone seems to stop remember that they executed agent which was stuck inside the compound after shootout ended. Feds weren't aggresive enough. +Reminder that Feddies are so shitty at fighting that the first task force actually got themselves trapped and had to beg for mercy, only to turn around and kill the children of the people that let them go. +--- 57914472 +>>57914459 +>dox yourself for me -t. loser +No. In fact, you post gun, hands, and nose. +--- 57914476 +>>57914463 +imagine being such a dumb nigger all you can do is glowops on an ambonesian nutmeg cultivation forum +--- 57914478 +>>57914472 +>n-n-n-no uuuu +raiding faggots always say this. + +GOT ANOTHER ONE BOYS. +--- 57914482 +>>57914463 +Anyone attempting to enforce a gun law is an armed and dangerous enemy of the American people. +--- 57914484 +>there are quite literally 'muh racism' redditors itt +--- 57914494 +>>57914455 +>u live in shit hole +>no +>well ackshually +kys +--- 57914517 +>>57914300 +pretty much this. +--- 57914533 +>>57910198 +>You literally hear karesh and his bud talk about getting the gas poured and then later confirming it was poured. They knew what they were doing. +May I hear it? +When you research this "fact", there's never any evidence given, besides the "fact" that the government didn't know it was happening in real time and only figured it out after "enhancing" the recording. +Do we need to address the fact that they vehemently denied using flammable CS gas until they finally admitted they did? +--- 57914540 +>>57914459 +Nice non-argument ad homo meme you foreign unamerican cocksucker lmao. + +Post a timestamped pick of your mom after you Kemper her you unfuckable faggot. + +Why should anyone ever work for you? Why should anyone ever care about proving literally anything to you ever? Post literally any proof that you’re not an asiatic invader and then I’ll make fun of you regardless. +--- 57914547 +>>57914533 +CS gas isn't flammable you dumb nigger, the grenades are. That's how Dorner's house caught fire. They never denied using CS gas, they denied using 40mm CS rounds when they actually shot a few at a building completely separate from the main compound. +--- 57914550 +Cultists that left during siege were unharmed by FED +>Cultists that left during siege were unharmed by FED +Cultists that left during siege were unharmed by FED +>Cultists that left during siege were unharmed by FED +Rest of davidians could've surrendered at any time but Koresh/his officers didn't let kids leave for example +>Rest of davidians could've surrendered at any time but they didn't let kids leave for example +AND THEY POURED THE FUCKING GAS + +You're all defending pedophiles, childkillers and literal cuckolds who pimped their wives and daughters +--- 57914572 +>>57914547 +My mistake, flammable CS gas *rounds*. +>They poured the gas +May I hear it? +--- 57914577 +>>57914550 +>defending +No, we just don't like gun-grabbing feds that take trophy pictures while standing over the charred corpses of children. +--- 57914587 +>>57914540 +>you foreign unamerican cocksucker +Why is every post shitting on people that say don't trust the government this shit. Is russia in the room with us right now? You niggers are the same as fuentes types simping for russia but the opposite direction to lick govt. boots fuck you people and fuck europe. Take your faggot shit elsewhere. + +>>57914550 +>you're all defending koresh +Same thing with ukraine faggots. there's no fuck off option with you people everything is one extreme or the other. If this was russia you vatnigs would've applauded the handling of the beslan school siege while claiming everyone else was a chechen. +--- 57914604 +Holy shit people actually defending feds ITT + +I didn't realize /k/ was this compromised +--- 57914610 +>feds did everything right +>everything bad was the branch davidians' fault +>and then, for some reason, the feds destroyed, lost, and/or lied about every piece of evidence that definitely would've supported their story +--- 57914618 +>>57914587 +Why are you continuing to use a bunch of ESL Ching Chong words to prove you’re not a Soviet gook when any Soviet gook could do that? +--- 57914625 +>>57914604 +Go back to twatter or leddit if you want an echo chamber you dumb faggot. +--- 57914644 +>>57914618 +>now it's chinks +implessive +--- 57914648 +>>57914610 +>feds did everything right +Nope did just about everything wrong +>everything bad was the branch davidians' fault +Yep. Don’t start a sex cult and if you don’t diddle kids and if you do and the feds show up don’t refuse to deal with things legally while holding a bunch of kids hostage in a gas-soaked compound and nothing would have happened. +>and then, for some reason, the feds destroyed, lost, and/or lied about every piece of evidence that definitely would've supported their story +Pretty meaningless talking point. The cultists soaked the place in fuel specifically to torch as much evidence as possible. Acting like it’s some crazy conspiracy that a massive fire did what they do is pretty dumb. +--- 57914667 +>>57909645 (OP) +For all the actual retards defending the feds. +Give me a good explanation why they JUST HAD TO gas & set ablaze the whole building? Too many taxpayer dollars spent on idling around? +--- 57914673 +>>57914604 +Has been for years. Save yourself Stalker, get out of here. +--- 57914674 +>>57914648 +>Structure fire destroyed all the guns +Am I the only one who has watched a motherfucker restore guns that were torched in a barn fire? +--- 57914684 +>>57914644 +It’s irrelevant kike. You’re an unamerican, you’re a newfaggot, you haven’t posted tits, passport, guns, or your mom’s kemper head you unfuckable faggot. + +You have only reinforced my perception that you’re a paid-per-post foreign shill that literally can’t prove otherwise. And if you actually are an American, that’s even more embarrassing for you because you’re gonna burn in hell with the rest of the traitors. + +But luckily you’re proper foreign so your hell is your life and then you go to hell for all the tranny porn you jerk off to. +--- 57914694 +>>57914684 +--- 57914706 +>>57911578 +>big pissing match + They were a known religious subdenomination of the 7th Day Adventist. Does this mean every spic n' spat of Baptism need to suddenly go innawoods to Montana? +Seriously, what were they doing that was "pissing match" with the federal government? + +>ain't shit but cow pasture and missile silos +Okay, so you are most likely a retarded coastliner. I don't know what they teach you out there, but these places are quiet a bit more populated then you seem to think. +--- 57914710 +>>57909645 (OP) +Fuck Koresh +Fuck his cuck followers who let him fuck their wives +Fuck the ATF +Fuck the FBI +None of these fucks gave a shit about the children who burned alive +Cultists and Feds can both eat buckshot +--- 57914714 +>>57914674 +You probably don’t understand how jet fuel “melts” steel beams do you? + +Was 9/11 a bunch of demo chawges going off at once too widdle bb? Was kubrick on the moon? What shape is the earth? When did you go from making fun of antivaxxers to being a militant one and why was it 2020 when all your favorite YouTubers told you to with oddly uniform messaging strategy? +--- 57914731 +>>57910049 +And then the feds confused themselves that the shooting was coming from the Davidians. Either retarded or corrupt depending on whether you believe them. +--- 57914734 +>>57914667 +Because they didn't. The Feds wanted Koresh in handcuffs and all the children saved so that they could justify to congress why what was supposed to be a 1 day raid was in its 3rd month. Having to explain a pile of charred corpses and 86 dead Americans was literally the last thing they wanted lmao. +--- 57914743 +>>57914694 +>ESL can’t read + +Once again further confirmation + +THAT + +IRA + +SHILLS + +ARE + +IN + +THIS + +THREAD + +RIGHT +I +G +H +T + +N O W +O +W + +RUSSIAN INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY SHILLS + +IN + +THIS + +THREAD + +PIECE + +OF + +SHIT + +CANCEROUS + +SHILL + +RING + +RING + +RING + +RING +RING +RING + +RING + +RING + +RING + +GLOBAL QUALITY OF LIFE WILL IMPROVE WHEN YOU + +KILL + +YOUR + +SELF + +FAG +--- 57914744 +>>57911759 +If the manufacturer and DoJ literally said, "hey don't use these tasers, because their manufacturer discontinued them for setting to many people on fire" yeah. That would be the fault of the forces that deploy them. + +The teargas used was an aerosol powderized form of CN gas. It had been discontinued by many departments for flammability, and was primarily only meant to be used for riot control, as it could cause suffocation in enclosed spaces. Using said devices likely caused the flash fire, and the fact the chemical was still lingering in the air in combination with the fire, likely lead to more deaths as people simply could not escape. +--- 57914749 +>>57914667 +They tried for a big PR win after Ruby Ridge to show they were still relevant. +It backfired spectacularly. +>KIDDY DIDDLERS!!! +Have you people *heard* of the FLDS? +How about the Amish? +Also, where exactly is the BATFE mandate to prosecute sex crimes in Texas? +>But they had guns! +Shall. Not. Be. Infringed. +>But they were crazy! +Definitely. So why in the absolute fuck would you try to stage a paramilitary operation on people who think the world is out to get them? +>No other options! +Informants, undercover or otherwise are the absolute life blood of criminal investigation, but that's slow and isn't as fun to watch on TV. +--- 57914750 +>>57914743 +reply again +--- 57914757 +>>57909645 (OP) +Nu/k/ be like fucking glowniggers remember Waco and Slava Ukraini!!! +--- 57914770 +>>57914750 +Ira shill farms + +-SEO Sky +Caнкт-Пeтepбypг, Кoмeндaнтcкий пp., 4a, БЦ «Cтpoйдoм», oфиc 409, St Petersburg, Russia, 197227 + +-Marketingovoye Agentsvo Didzhital Risech +Kuybysheva St +St Pete 197046 + +-Pravda basement +Grivtsova Ln +St Pete’s 190000 + +-Serm / PR set +пpocпeкт Юpия Гaгapинa +Saint Petersburg 196135 + +-Gubment coordination building +yлицa Caвyшкинa +Saint Petersburg 197374 + +-Grifon +Лигoвcкий пpocпeкт +Saint Petersburg 191040 + +-ResearchMe +Bolshaya Sadovaya Street +Moscow 123001 + +agentstvo kreativnih +Зeлeнoгpaдcкaя yлицa +Moscow 125475 + +Direct for business +Nevski prospekt +Saint Petersburg 191167 + +Ksentra +2-я Звeнигopoдcкaя yлицa +Moscow 123022 + +Direkt info +Tverskaya Street +Moscow 125009 + +yлицa Opджoникидзe +Moscow 115419 + +Agentsvo Internet Issledovaniy +Obukhovsky Oborony Avenue +Saint Petersburg 192029 + +Shillfarm +Domodedovo +Moscow Oblast 142000 + +Russ int tech +5-й Дoнcкoй пpoeзд +Moscow 119334 + +Russian promo farm +Marata Street +Saint Petersburg 191002 + +Online market intelligence +yлицa Щeпкинa +Moscow 129090 + +IRA building +Cyздaльcкaя yлицa +Moscow 111672 + +Prodvizheniye Sayta +Зapeчнaя yлицa +Saint Petersburg 194355 + +Artics internet solutions +Rentgena Street +Saint Petersburg 197101 + +Alfa marketing +Caдoвaя yлицa +Severnyy +Belgorod Oblast 308519 + +Klever Lab +yлицa Hapимaнoвa +Rostov-on-Don +Rostov Oblast344000 +--- 57914791 +>>57914714 +Whoops, misclicked. +Is the jet fuel with you right now? +>A 747 crashes into a highrise shortly after takeoff. +>Redneck retard christfags allegedly spread what, 10 gallons? 20? 100? 1,000 gallons of gasoline? +>Evidence just vaporizes bro. +>Happens all the time bro. +>Trust me. +"LOL I BET YOU THINK JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS!" +Well, it can't, but it can weaken them sufficiently that they lose enough strength that the structure collapses catastrophically. +But I'm just an unreasonable conspiracy theorist, wanting to *see* and *hear* the supposed evidence and explanations for what's missing. +--- 57914802 +>>57914791 +Lol keep going. +--- 57914813 +>>57914802 +A 747 can carry 63,094 gallons of jet fuel. +How much gasoline do you think it takes to erase a bunch of illegal firearms in a 2-3 story wooden structure? +--- 57914828 +>>57914770 +lol a schizo +--- 57914839 +>>57914749 +I can't believe I forgot to mention the fucking catholic church. Getting raped by priests has been a punchline for decades. Where's the heavily armed law enforcement response? +--- 57914883 +>>57914828 + +Meds on /tv/ +10, 234 +11= 361 +12= 597 +13= 978 +14= 1142 +15= 1250 +16= 1357 +17= 1918 +18= 2628 +19= 5425 +20= 13,614 +21= 23,320 + +KYS +2010=2 +2011=2 +2012=2 +2013=10 +2014 =15 +2015 =254 +2016 =13,128 +2017 =22329 +2018 =20200 +2019 =25495 +2020 =22124 +2021=22468 + +KILL YOURSELF NEWFAG KILL YOURSELF + +CLAP CLAP + +KILL YOURSELF INVADER CUNT KILL YOURSELF + +CLAP CLAP +--- 57914886 +>>57914813 +No but really get into it this is so fascinating. You must be like a doctor or something you know so much! +--- 57914893 +>>57914770 +I'm a moderate, but this is a low effort post. I'd report it, but Russian shills are real. +The feds also lie constantly. +>Friend of mine is asked to testify as an expert witness regarding some cybercrime shit, trumped up charges. +>A security researcher disclosed something publicly, to the media, after reporting it to the corporate entity involved. Said entity never fixes it. +>He went public because it's as actually a big deal. +>Public interest, etc. +>FBI straight up fucking lies in court. +>Not a misunderstanding, not a lack of context, fucking lies. +Tl;dr, feds lied, homie walked. +--- 57914897 +>>57914883 +WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN MASON! +--- 57914899 +>>57914886 +You're the expert, hombre. Just how much gasoline does it take? I don't know, honestly. But apparently I'm being unreasonable by suggesting guns don't just sublimate above 450F. +--- 57914993 +>>57914893 +I mean nobody here is defending the feds. And it’s bad faith propagandists and foreign niggers that always try and frame any counter to their hysterical culture wars argument as the most extreme irrational strawman possible. + +Yes the feds suck. No they didn’t conspire to intentionally torch a bunch of cultists and their child hostages live on cnn. +--- 57915031 +>>57914993 +>Mens Rea +I don't think those agents woke up and decided "Today I'm going to kill innocent people." But the banality of evil is real, and that was the end result. +The road to hell, good intentions, just following orders, etc. +--- 57915125 +>>57915031 +That’s not banality of evil it’s one side assuming the other side isn’t literally drenched in fuel hoping to fulfill an apocalypse prophesy. + + The cult was literally using children as hostages because their cult leader had been accused of child sex crimes and needed to appear in court. There was no “banality” here. One side was unambiguously evil and one side was dumb. +--- 57915145 +>>57915125 +>drenched in fuel +I mean, that's not impossible. But I've never heard that audio. +--- 57915161 +>>57914684 +Anyone attempting to enforce, pass, or suggest a gun law is a violent enemy of every American. +--- 57915162 +>>57911578 +>If you wanna have a cult and do some weird shit you better have money and go do it where there ain't shit but cowpasture and missile silos and don't fuck with either of those two things and you can do whatever you like forever. +The Rajneeshpuram did that in the 80s in Oregon, still didn't work. Imo any cult/sect abve 10-20 people is somewhat on the radar of the authorities. If you don't break any laws nobody cares, but I mean your the second coming of Jesus so the earthly tax/rape/gun/building laws don't apply to you aaaand here come the feds +--- 57915170 +>>57910092 +Feelings are what make us human, anon. +--- 57915174 +>>57915170 +well then feelings are bad +--- 57915239 +>>57915161 +You’re a Russian kike useful idiot and everything you care about and shill for is implicitly designed to make your life worse and increase instances of preventable death as part of a broader campaign to destroy the western alliance and set your future on fire. + +And it’s going to be the fucking reactionary fascists that actually end up taking your guns and you’re probably gonna be such a mindraped gravy swallowing faggot that you’ll be supporting it because it’s “your team.” + +And the irony is that you zero-tolerance extremist useful idiot NPCs that shriek about any attempt at moderating arms dealers are only guaranteeing that when ban hammers come it’s going to be riding a populist leftist uprising that is going to be much harsher on your propaganda daddies than if republicans stopped being mindless shills for the highest bidder and even pretended to be into politics for any reasons other than money. + +You’re gonna have to sell your guns to pay for your corporate cuck healthcare long before some librul gubment ever gets near them you dumbass tryhard lol. +--- 57915282 +>>57915239 +>le russian kike +>le reactionary fascist +>le faggot +>le extremist +>le npc +>le republican +youre just skreeching, none of these are ven compatible +--- 57915308 +>>57915282 +Don’t know what ven comparable memes but newspeak doesn’t need to be. I can just redefine the buzzword to mean whatever I want and then just anytime you do anything suboptimal and just pay some idiots a few schmekels to accuse you of being it and bing bang bong before long you got a whole cult abrewin of useful idiots having their cognitive-behavior altered around avoiding the punishment of being called a newspeak label that meant nothing to them a few months earlier. + +And only a kike gook wouldn’t already know that. +--- 57915318 +>>57915239 +Kill yourself +--- 57915332 +>>57915318 +Eh nah. Go back to your country you miserable sack of shit nigger. diff --git a/k/57909711.txt b/k/57909711.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1c117da212facad1cae152d9ab39d33a155c5311 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909711.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1152 @@ +----- +--- 57909711 +>>57900065 → +--- 57909722 +>DMT bought the wrong saker +lol, lmao +--- 57909729 +>>57909722 +literally the worst of the 3 lmao +--- 57909732 +>>57909699 → +Putting it in this thread +--- 57909737 +Truly a sad day when someone dares step outside the echo chamber. + +Also a proper can doesn't need 2 forms of gas management +--- 57909758 +>>57909743 +Was not passing part of his plan? He’s got a big chin. If I pull of that mask will he die? +--- 57909763 +>>57909737 +Shooting with a saker was worse than the full size otter creek polonium in terms of gas it was only rivaled by the M4-2000 +--- 57909782 +>>57909758 +It would be very dysphoric. +--- 57909787 +>>57909782 +He's an obvious male +--- 57909793 +>>57909737 +Honestly if he had gone outside of the RC2 meta to get something else good like a CGS SCI SIX or something like that I don’t think anyone would care but the fact that he bought something actually bad is why I’m disappointed in him +--- 57909822 +>saker +>2023 +lmao, lmfao +--- 57909825 +>>57909793 +Agreed. I "shill" the RC2 because it's a good all-around can, but even if he got the 556k it would be fine. Just not OSS or Huxwurx because flow-throughs are still a meme to me +--- 57909829 +>>57909510 → +It really pains me to see you do this. I don’t even talk to a2 and I know you were supposed to get the 556k if you go saker. I want my bros to make it. +--- 57909835 +>>57909722 +Niggers will continue to tongue my anus +I have no regrets. +--- 57909836 +This week, on ARG Gets Drafted.... + +Season Finale! + +The ARG Platoon has fought long and hard in the struggle for Dulce AFB, battling deep into the depths, slaughtering their way through ayys and pedos alike. +They reach the reactor level, and Rich Boy Trip is assigned to break into the controls and set it to Meltdown Mode. +To his surprise, he finds no lock, but only a single taper pin holding the controls closed. +Will he rise to the occassion, or be anal probed by Grays? +--- 57909847 +>>57909825 +Flow through has its place for wrong handers and guns you can't tune very well. Not the best option for everyone though. The RC2 is just a good all rounder with good suppression and mid level back pressure. +--- 57909848 +>>57909835 +I have full sized saker and it was pretty gassy until I silicone modded the charging handle. Now it's fine +Just buy the rtv silicone and skip the adjustable gas block +--- 57909861 +>>57909787 +For you, chud. [launches into a wall of text] +--- 57909864 +>>57909848 +Gas is the least of my concerns. +I'm more worried about lackluster flash suppression, which is a complaint the 556k gets. +Plus, 556k is ugly. +--- 57909868 +>>57909711 (OP) +>>57909743 +Post her bussy. +--- 57909870 +>>57909864 +You have to buy the flash hiding endcap for it +honestly you should cancel and get the rc2 you still have time +--- 57909874 +>>57909763 +I can get a OC polonium cheap but is it good? +--- 57909875 +>DMT getting memed for the "wrong" suppressor +at least he got one desu +i sat on my ass and now they're gonna be banned lol +--- 57909885 +>>57909825 +>He bought the KAC battery cap +Confirmed 100% faggot +--- 57909888 +>>57909874 +It sounds really good but yes it is gassy +--- 57909893 +>>57909835 +>saker +not clone correct. +--- 57909900 +>>57909864 +https://silencerco.com/shop/charlie-flash-hider-front-cap/ +>>57909885 +Got the whole package for the cost of a T2. stay mad +--- 57909908 +>>57909875 +I didn't get the wrong suppressor. +I was expressing anxiety about picking the wrong one, and now the guys here are exploiting that to get under my skin. +But I'm really happy with my decision. I'm sure the rc2 would be a safer bet, but at the end of the day the saker will do the job and I'll be able to rely on it. +556k is a non starter for me though. Took the 400 I saved and bought a bunch of .223 +--- 57909909 +Here's a list of priority for what I need to get: +>Plate carrier +>Helmet +>Can +>NVG +>LAM +I know I'm gonna have to wait for a can but I'd rather wait for the RC3. Also, anyone think any of this stuff might get banned or heavily restricted in the future? +--- 57909910 +>>57909874 +It's not that cheap. It's about the same as the saker once you've added a qd mount and muzzle device +--- 57909916 +>>57909743 +You can tell how much of a failed man this fucker is. Trying to hide his masculine physique behind himself, that pissed off male gaze. You can see the masculine entitlement to being a woman. Can’t do his hair correctly, it’s an unwashed I brushed mess. 33 years old, i wonder what 40 will look like. It’s art in a way. Also, Who picks the name Noor?? A disgusting name for a disgusting tranny. +--- 57909917 +>>57909908 +Why was the k a non starter? +>>57909909 +Move the can up first, because of the year wait +--- 57909931 +>>57909908 +A2 hates the saker and he has more experience than all of us when it comes to suppressors +--- 57909937 +>>57909917 +>Non starter +It's ugly and short and looks like a chode +--- 57909946 +>>57909743 +--- 57909947 +>>57909908 +No, we are not trying to get under your skin. out of the options you legitimately purchased the worst of them. But keep deflecting ig +>>57909909 +Probably all of it but can first. Just do better research than DMT and buy a good one +>>57909916 +>i wonder what 40 will look like +Probably a headstone +--- 57909963 +>>57909900 +kac battery cap on a 416 is kinda whack though. +--- 57909965 +>>57909835 +>saker NOT k version + +Dude….. I’m not mad, just disappointed +--- 57909968 +>>57909917 +>>57909947 +What if I want to wait for the RC3? They patented it last november +--- 57909979 +Hey DMT, a silencerco rep told me the new velos internal flash hiding end cap works better for flash reduction than the current pronged charlie endcap in their testing. They are going to release the new velos cap separately. Wait for that one, it also doesn't add any length too. +--- 57909997 +>>57909968 +RC3 is a flow through +--- 57909999 +Just found out I'm 2% native american so I've decided to hike in the desert in hopes of awakening some ancient DNA and having a breakthrough of some kind. Started off with short little walks slightly off the trails now I'm disapearing miles into nowhere. I found a vent of some kind last time, I fear I'm getting close to some pretty spooky basements. It's covered by a rock formation and slopes downward at about 45 degrees into blackness. Its so old that I could probably break it open. I'm considering the following: +12.3" BA hanson +Cryptic mystic black bcg +Ris II chopped to 11.5 +MFT React vfg +AEMS + Kinetic devgru riser +Polonium K +Rtv'd pof tomahawk ch +Olight odin (no nods need a sun replacement) +Smoke lancers +I don't expect to find anything, but if I run into some tweakers then I'll be good, if it's a DUMB then my suspicions will be confirmed and I can go out guns blazing in a shootout with deep black glow niggas as I do not have much purpose right now anyway. +--- 57910000 +>>57909965 +Say sike right now +--- 57910008 +>>57909963 +How so? I'm not cloning anything, just making the rifle I want. +>>57909968 +Why wait another year for them to release it before buying when you can buy a can now, get it when the RC3 is released, but have a suppressor to use during the wait? +>>57909979 +the Velos is interesting but there's no data/footage of it that I can find +--- 57910009 +>>57909968 +Ok that's fair +Just don't complain if laws get fucky in the meantime and you miss out. That Kennedy guy is running for pres and apparently he is uber anti 2a +--- 57910015 +>>57909997 +What's the difference between flow through vs baffle? +--- 57910023 +>>57910000 +No + +At least you’ll have a suppressor now. Make sure to RTV mod your CH too +--- 57910040 +>>57910008 +it just seems wrong putting a big ol knights logo on a 416. if you painted over it itd be fine. +--- 57910042 +>>57909999 +>Cryptic bcg +>Holoshit +>Polonium +>Tomahawk ch +>Fucking olight +>Lancer mags +Quads of waste +--- 57910044 +>>57910008 +>the Velos is interesting but there's no data/footage of it that I can find +Watch this. My local FFL had a pre production sample and they loved it on machine guns. Almost zero back pressure but with a lower tone than hux cans. I bought one and am waiting on it. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLe6SoyGaWc [Embed] +--- 57910048 +>>57909908 +Is this why you were asking about the a5h4? Because you need it now. I like you I’m not trying to mess with you. +--- 57910074 +>>50000000 +--- 57910080 +>>57910040 +I'm gonna buy a SR-15 lower, SBR and color fill it, and use that instead +>>57910044 +Might be my next can, just need night footage for flash +>Capitol Armory doesn't recommend rocksett +lol +--- 57910087 +>>57909946 +does anyone have the "before/after socialist gun clubs" meme +--- 57910088 +>>57910080 +You just said flow through is a meme, velos is a flow through. +--- 57910091 +>>57910074 +Literally what the fuck did he mean by that? +--- 57910098 +>>57910080 +>I'm gonna buy a SR-15 lower, SBR and color fill it, and use that instead +you and i both know you dont have the balls to do such a thing. stop the cap. +--- 57910104 +>>57909946 +would +--- 57910105 +>>57909711 (OP) +Image that being your battle buddy in the socialist army and getting to fuck his bussy whenever you wanted +--- 57910115 +>>57910088 +Key word might. I already have an RC2 on the way, not many other 5.56 cans worth buying until RC3 is out, which is the likely candidate unless I buy a .308 in the near future. +>>57910098 +True, I'm not spending $1k on a lower +--- 57910122 +I voted saker on dmts poll as a joke because it was the worst option but now I feel like I did something cruel since he actually got it :( +--- 57910133 +KAC PRTs are coming out later this year supposedly in good numbers so they'll be obtainable +--- 57910136 +>>57910122 +You had to know he was going to take you seriously. +--- 57910144 +>>57910136 +RC2 won the poll and he didn't buy it so my conscience is a little bit cleaner +--- 57910151 +>>57910122 +Well drug addicts make bad decisions so it was bound to happen, voted for an RC2 but a saker k with FH end cap is a good budget option. Him getting the worst saker should be a lesson to anons to learn from the mistakes of others. +--- 57910153 +>>57910104 +There’s better passing traps out there then that anon, have standards +--- 57910159 +>>57910105 +half the dwot footage is going to be drones dropping homebrew on stuff like this +--- 57910178 +>>57910153 +How do I find one? I want one so badly bro. I want a boy gf to take care of and love. +--- 57910200 +>>57910178 +All the best ones are able to get by doing porn or cosplay or some other activity so you have to either be active in those circles or just rich enough to brute force your way in +--- 57910215 +Block 1 CQBR or LE6945? +>inb4 mk18 +not kino enough, sorry +--- 57910230 +>>57910178 +Use gay dating apps +--- 57910241 +>>57910200 +Either this or you find a young twink (no pedo shit) who's just a regular gay and mold him into your boywife +--- 57910252 +>>57910215 +6945 11.5” +--- 57910276 +>>57910230 +I'm not gay +--- 57910278 +>>57910122 +I called the gun store and had them cancel the order. +I bought an rc2 instead. +Fuck this its so stressful. +--- 57910287 +>>57910278 +Fake DMT post +--- 57910289 +>>57910276 +Traps/femboys/trannies are gay +--- 57910292 +>>57910278 +Nice tacticaltranny clone +--- 57910296 +>>57910278 +I hope this is real. +--- 57910307 +>>57910200 +>>57910230 +>>57910241 +Nvm guys, I just jerked off and am grossed out by it now. +--- 57910309 +>>57910287 +>>57910292 +>>57910296 +Yeah it's real +--- 57910323 +>>57910278 +Do some squats anon, your lack of ass is disturbing +--- 57910328 +>>57910276 +doesn't matter even if you don't think it's gay to fuck a trans woman they're still available on the gay dating apps either because they want t4t or because it's easy to hook "straight" guys who want a less jarring first experience with cock +--- 57910338 +>>57909979 +yeah he was trying to con you into buying one retard +--- 57910341 +>>57910309 +I’m really happy for you. Please don’t scare me like this again. +--- 57910389 +I have to stop visiting this place sometimes or i start impulse buying stuff like the C-note and looking for trannies on dating apps and going somewhat crazy all around. +--- 57910398 +>>57910389 +faggot +--- 57910408 +>>57910278 +If you really wanted top tier sound and flash suppression you'd have bought a nomad L with the 223 flash cap +--- 57910431 +>>57910408 +>Dead Air +Now you're just trying to kill him +--- 57910436 +>>57910309 +>bullied into the wrong decision +too late to go back and un-cancel now +--- 57910463 +>>57910389 +before I got a girlfriend (real girl) I'd get lonely and act out by sucking strangers' dicks and impulse buying guns so my advice is just start dating a normal woman and things will probably return to normal +--- 57910479 +>>57910178 +They're all in heaven,bro. You need only kill yourself to join them. +--- 57910503 +>>57910431 +Well he did say he cared about nothing else but flash and sound suppression +--- 57910518 +>>57910463 +welcome back, shoenice. +--- 57910519 +>>57910389 +I started fapping to furshit because of a picture someone posted here +--- 57910520 +Dis shi crazy bruh +https://youtube.com/shorts/_aK1Sl401_4?feature=share +--- 57910547 +>>57910519 +very based welcome to the fandom +--- 57910565 +>>57910338 +The velos? I've already heard it being shot on an mg I didn't need to be conned. +--- 57910568 +>>57910241 +>actual groomer shit +lmao +--- 57910573 +>>57910519 +Based. Was it that cheeto ordering pizza? DDanon got banned a few times for posting her +--- 57910581 +>>57910547 +Look it was just one time. Ok several times but I just like fluffy women ok +--- 57910584 +>>57910568 +as long as they're over 18 it's above board +--- 57910606 +>heheheh, degeneracy, that'll really tick 'em off! +--- 57910608 +>>57910133 +Source? I'd like to get their shorty prt for a 16" setup +--- 57910628 +Rc2 sisters, I'll be one of you soon +--- 57910629 +>>57910608 +plebbitor asking them at SHOT show. Later this year around may/june/july +--- 57910636 +>>57910573 +that got one me a few times +--- 57910646 +>>57910628 +Please be the real DMT and tell me you canceled the saker +--- 57910671 +>>57910628 +If you're telling the truth then that 11.5 upper should be good with an RTV modded charging handle, a tubbs flatwire and an H3 since the gas port is gaped. BRT and an H2 would be ideal but I remember you saying you don't want to swap the gas tube. +--- 57910672 +>>57910133 +inb4 theyre sent to jewkraine +--- 57910674 +>>57910628 +>Soon +Daddy will be so proud when he gets back from his milk run +--- 57910676 +>>57910628 +You made the right choice. + +>>57910646 +He posted oc a second ago when he said it’s real so I’m inclined to believe him. +--- 57910684 +>>57910646 +Yeah I did. +I didn't give a shit about the other anons but >>57909965 cut deep +--- 57910694 +>>57910672 +Ukraine will have lost by then +--- 57910696 +>>57910684 +Rude, but you made the right choice so it's alright now. +--- 57910698 +>>57910671 +Thank you I will take your advice +--- 57910714 +>>57910694 +idk man did you peep that trench footage that dropped this morning? my nigga tihiy popped out and got a clean triple kill +--- 57910719 +>>57910698 +No need for the bootleg adjustable bcg unless it's really bad with an H3 or even H4 and you still don't want to touch the tube. +--- 57910725 +>>57910714 +link it. I hate jewcraine but combat footage is combat footage. +--- 57910744 +>>57910719 +He’ll want a vise to take the handguard off if he does the tube. And the muzzle device. But he has time for that now. +--- 57910745 +>>57910725 +>>57907878 → +this is the good stuff but the whole 11 minute vid is one of the best out of the 2 week SMO so far +--- 57910758 +I fucking knew dmt would blow it. lmoa +--- 57910778 +>>57910628 +>RC2 +based and clone correct. +--- 57910816 +>>57910758 +>he got bullied into buying something and then immediately swapping it for something else because he got bullied by the people who made him get it in the first place +you can’t make this shit up +--- 57910826 +>>57910241 +That actually work +--- 57910839 +Lol so true +https://youtube.com/shorts/uhl7abL9o-Y?feature=share +--- 57910852 +>>57910758 +Is that mazak gonna be ok? +--- 57910869 +>>57910826 +worked for me +--- 57910872 +>>57910852 +he's very sick +--- 57910903 +Hmm +--- 57910907 +Why do you guys hate the tranny fag so much poor dude just likes guns and dressing up like a dyke. Let it live the last few years of life in peace at the very least we'll have one more voice supporting guns in this retarded state +--- 57910913 +Do you need a rekaction rod to swap out the kac flash hider or just a vice and some blocks +--- 57910915 +>>57910903 +ya i wouldnt trust that at all. +--- 57910925 +>>57910009 +>Just don't complain if laws get fucky in the meantime and you miss out. That Kennedy guy is running for pres and apparently he is uber anti 2a +Doubt that fag will win, even with severe election fraud (again) they'd rather have Biden win. +I'm feeling a Trump victory, and I'll be voting for Kanye - the system likes to give people false hope so I wouldn't be surprised if they let him win +--- 57910931 +>>57910913 +you kneed the reed knight brand knight kstick. +--- 57910944 +>>57910520 +Sick teen roun stih +--- 57910945 +>>57910872 +:( Get better soon +--- 57910948 +>>57910008 +>How so? I'm not cloning anything +you have a tacticalGF(tranny) clone +--- 57910955 +>>57910913 +ya +--- 57910957 +>>57910948 +It's an ash clone retard +--- 57910965 +>>57910907 +That tranny is a leftist who only supports guns rights for leftists and fellow trannies, he’d ban shit instantly if it hurt anyone else +--- 57910970 +>cant go to the range or gym because of a nasty foot infection +--- 57910973 +>>57909835 +You are fucking dumb as shit dude. +--- 57910981 +>>57910915 +Why not? Weaving through a triglide on the opposite side of the stock is something everybody did when I was in and there are buckles on other slings. +--- 57910987 +>>57909893 +>SB2 +also not clone correct! +--- 57910989 +>>57910970 +Been there, I hate feeling like a useless fuck too +--- 57911000 +>>57910987 +And that's a good thing! +--- 57911005 +>dmt will have a better can than desert furry +lol, lmao, kek even +--- 57911021 +>>57910989 +It hurts like hell but least I can dry fire at squirrels/birds and lift at home +--- 57911039 +>>57910957 +not anymore ash rocks 416s now. ash clone only had an mcmr rail, tranny clone is a complete BCM upper. +--- 57911043 +>>57909835 +https://youtu.be/2KTnL1k3uJ8 [Embed] +Is this what swayed you +--- 57911047 +>>57910869 +Guess I gotta find a twink then +--- 57911070 +>>57911043 +he's wearing a gas mask because of the smoke show coming out of the ejection port lol +--- 57911084 +>>57911043 +sorry dmt your plan of using an adjustable bcg won't work. +--- 57911108 +>>57911043 +>>57911084 +I cancelled the saker and got an rc2. +--- 57911118 +>>57911108 +I wish this were true, I tried to save him. +--- 57911119 +>>57911108 +fake and gay +--- 57911173 +How heavy is too heavy? My rifle currently weighs 11 lb 7.5 oz loaded +--- 57911215 +>>57911118 +>>57911119 +No I really did. It's so god damn expensive. +Should I get the 3 or 4 prong flash hider? And I'm not sure if I should get an adjustable bcg or not. +--- 57911227 +>>57911005 +Big kek and they will have an equal amount of nods too! +--- 57911231 +>>57911227 +DMT nods all the time from drugs +--- 57911236 +What's the right suppressor? I assume it's something by Surefire +--- 57911238 +>>57911173 +My SPR weighs that much with bipod and stacked t2. +--- 57911242 +>>57911173 +You didn't tell us what's on it. If you have white light, LAM, LPVO or dot + magnifier, storage stock/grip with spare batteries, beefy handguard/rails because you're worried about rail flex, etc., etc. that could be reasonable. A basic AR with a light and dot shouldn't. +--- 57911256 +>>57911215 +3 prong it’s better and you aren’t going to find a 4 prong since clooooners want them. +--- 57911258 +>>57909835 +Most ignorant people arent smart enough to know to regret something so... +--- 57911259 +>>57911236 +RC2 for testicleGF clone correct. SB2 if you want a good compromise between sig reduction and parts wear/operator health and longevity. +--- 57911266 +>>57909885 +Extra battery storage is cool +--- 57911280 +>>57911259 +shut up furry +>>57911236 +RC2 for all around, KAC if you can find and afford it +--- 57911283 +>>57911256 +Uh, what thread pitch? +--- 57911293 +>>57909908 +Idiot the rc2 cleaely won because some people wanted you to get the best. The other shit was most assuredly "well this is probably all he can afford to spend and still pay rent" cope. +--- 57911305 +>>57911283 +I don’t know off the top of my head. +--- 57911318 +>>57911293 +The rest were people hoping he fucks up. It’s why the full size beat out the k. +--- 57911329 +>>57910042 +This. Im surprised you didnt shit on his barrel too. +--- 57911344 +>>57910278 +Honestly would be the move dude. +--- 57911353 +>>57911215 +proof, also 3 prong is good. get lmt e bcg if their QC isn't complete shit. +--- 57911361 +EL EM TEE is crackhead on a lightpole approved +--- 57911363 +>>57910309 +>>57910278 +I don't believe you. How can you be this indecisive after nearly everybody telling you to get the rc2. +--- 57911364 +Waiting until DMTwink posts the receipt for the RC2 like he did the full sized Saker. Until then he will be endlessly ridiculed for fucking this up like we all knew he would. +>inb4 he doesn't +--- 57911367 +>>57910778 +Lol you have that picture saved on your device. Rethink your life. +--- 57911374 +what are the chances I blow myself up with a first time DIY build? +--- 57911375 +>>57911364 +Yeah I dont believe him until receipts get posted. This is ridiculous, how could you fuck up the easiest, safest purchase suppressor choice. +--- 57911378 +>>57911236 +RC2 is king still. Flash suppression and back pressure are the most important things when it comes to 556 cans since they'll always be supersonic +--- 57911380 +>>57911367 +No BCM owner. It's only on the cloud. +--- 57911384 +>>57910816 +Its called taking good advice. Most people aren't smart enough to take good advice. Your own friends probably don't listen to you that's why it's so alien to you. +--- 57911396 +>>57909908 +>only $400 +Why not just save up the extra $400? I don't know your finances and gun budget allocation but how much longer would it realistically have taken you to save $400? +--- 57911402 +>>57910903 +What a stupid thing to do. You'd be better off tying it on with paracord. +--- 57911405 +>>57911374 +Practically 0 unless you are profoundly retarded +--- 57911406 +What's the list of gtg lowers? +--- 57911415 +>>57910907 +Its a known antifa protestor who would shoot you without a second thought you bigot, and it "trains" others to do and think the same and take up arms against normal-kind of, people. +--- 57911421 +>>57911406 +SR-15 +--------- +End of transmission +--- 57911422 +>>57911406 +KAC (non-IWS) +LMT +SiCo +--- 57911423 +>>57911406 +Poverty pony +--- 57911428 +>>57911406 +transferable M16 +--- 57911431 +>>57911363 +Idk man. +I can't find any surefire 3 prong flash hiders anywhere. Does anyone know where there is one for sale? +I don't have a receipt because I changed to order over the phone. +I'll take a picture of it when it arrives in a week or so. +--- 57911435 +>>57910981 +Not on good ones, and your in time means nothing and likely did more harm than good. +--- 57911436 +>>57911428 +You mean a m16 cut lower anon. +--- 57911443 +>>57911406 +If you want ambi LMT or ADM since they're actually in stock, are full ambi, and aren't insanely priced like the other ambi lowers. +If you don't care about ambi anything that isn't a billet lower should be fine +--- 57911448 +>>57911431 +Dude, don't even bother looking right now, you're not going to have the thing until 9 months at a minimum anyway. If you really need one, I can find one, I found 2 for the last 2 anons here in the past couple weeks nearly instantly when they pretended they were too dumb to find one. They aren't hard to find at all. Stop pretending to be a helpless little faggot. +--- 57911456 +>buys can +>mount is unobtainium +>cant afford GB prices +it'll never not be funny. +--- 57911469 +>>57911443 +lmt is still pretty bullshit priced. ADM and Radian are ridiculous though. +>>57911456 +The mount is easy as fuck to find, niggers just want to be able to go to google and click the first link and have it. +--- 57911470 +>>57911215 +3 prong dude. Dont worry about it too much wait for 4th of july or black friday youll likely be able to score at a discount and you have nothing but time. +--- 57911479 +i was drunk the other night innocently eating some left over asian noodles in the kitchen. when a ghost bitch threw me against the wall and hurt my finger and armpit pretty bad. I fell on some pots and pans. anyway im gonna do a tacticool girlfriend clone build. +--- 57911487 +>>57911283 +Dude its gonna be labled as either 5.56 or .30caliber or .308 or some shit like that. Just read the fine print on the model name. +--- 57911491 +>>57911375 +I don’t buy it either he said he spent what he had left over on ammo, I’m not sure you can buy a can over the phone without going over and redoing the paperwork. +--- 57911492 +Why do black people all have this muzzle device? +https://youtube.com/shorts/veMZsgB3LeU?feature=share +--- 57911502 +>doesnt even know the AR-15 thread pitch +DMT about to buy the G36 SF3P lmfao +--- 57911505 +>>57911431 +Lol chill the fuck out man, join as many email notification lists as you can find and trust and just kick back. +--- 57911506 +>>57911402 +>>57911435 +None of you have said what the problem is. I will go on as usual. +--- 57911513 +>>57911502 +I figured it out +--- 57911525 +>>57911492 +Cuz it that mofuckin cookie cuttah +--- 57911536 +>>57911492 +Its a cookie cutter isn't it? You see these people like to say they pistol BARK cuh! Ya here!? So the bigger stupid and more obnoxious the brake the better. +--- 57911538 +>>57911491 +>Hi I was just in your shop and bought the wrong can +>yeah I was the emaciated dude who was nodding out off the maeng da +>yeah i want to complete my testicle gf clone and actually need an RC2 +>No this is totally me i promise +>Please believe me bro +--- 57911543 +why is 1 anon really mad about the rc2? is it because it's 1000 dollars? +--- 57911547 +>>57911491 +You can cancel It I'm sure but yeah you'd have to come back to redo the paper work, they put everything specific to the can into the paper work. +--- 57911549 +>>57911543 +We're just tired of DMT's blatant lies. No fucking way any LGS would allow you to change your purchase over the phone on an NFA item. +--- 57911559 +>>57911543 +He's trying to meme people into believing the rc2 is bad because one tranny has it. +>>57911549 +I think that might have been another anon, but you can cancel, just cant buy another one over the phone, you'd need to do paper work in the store. +--- 57911560 +>>57911538 +That's basically how it happened. +The guy was like "... Are you sure you want to change it? We still are going to recieve the saker you ordered, and we might be stuck with it" +And I said "yeah, I would really like to change my order to an rc2" +And then he said he had a 30 cal rc2 in stock and I asked him to order a 556. +Then I paid the difference over the phone. +--- 57911568 +>>57910276 +>I'm not gay +If you're getting a man's shit on your dick, you're gay. +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd8vzIRQLLM [Embed] +--- 57911569 +>>57911329 +BA Hanson is a decent budget option +--- 57911571 +>>57911549 +Only way was if it was a can purchased through silencershop, if I sold a guy can from the case and assigned it to him, it’s his. +--- 57911573 +>>57911560 +yeah its definitely bullshit then, no fucking store is going to order a saker from a manufacturer and then just cancel it without some kind of restocking fee. +--- 57911576 +>>57911506 +The fucking cheapass plastic qasm looking buckle dude and the position it puts your sling in is ass. Fuck you there, you're a lying piece of shit who's gonna keep it the same regardless of how much logic gets thrown at you. There's that line about idiots not being smart enough to take good advice. Muh "WhEn i WuZ In!" Shut up fucking dumb ass e3. +--- 57911585 +>>57911259 +SB2 chokes cock +--- 57911586 +>>57911543 +Its been 800 fucking dollars and like three guys or the same guy multiple times posted it for him in previous threads. +--- 57911587 +>>57911560 +Lies. You bought the wrong can twice over. Not only did you not get an RC2 but you ordered the wrong Saker. This entire time we all knew you'd find a way to fuck it up just like you've fucked up the rest of that pathetic thing you call a life, and sure as shit you found a way. +--- 57911590 +>>57911431 +Lurk, be patient, and listen to those other two anons. I thought they were impossible to find but that other anon is right he found one that I would have never known about. The other anon is right about signing up for notifications and being vigilant about checking your email and scouring the internet. +--- 57911594 +>>57911549 +Retard I have never lied about anything here. +I've always been 100% honest, even when it makes me look bad. +I'm telling you what happened. I haven't filed out any paperwork regarding the suppressor yet. I just ordered it and setup my fingerprints and the kiosk information. +When the suppressor arrives I will do my background check and submit the info to the ATF. +Post your rifle you sound autistic. +--- 57911615 +>>57911587 +>>57911573 +That's exactly what happened, I don't know what to tell you guys. +I guess you'll just have to wait until next year to see. +--- 57911616 +>>57911479 +I hate it when that happens. +--- 57911618 +>>57911594 +>I haven't filed out any paperwork regarding the suppressor yet. I just ordered it and setup my fingerprints and the kiosk information. +Yeah that's not how it works faggot. KYS. +--- 57911621 +What's the next list of upgrades after, optic, sling, light? +--- 57911623 +>>57911621 +HRT +--- 57911625 +>>57911618 +That's what happened retard. +I don't know what to tell you. +--- 57911630 +>supposedly old enough to own guns +>yet you guys are always getting into petty childlike squabbles every time I come here +never change /arg/ +--- 57911639 +>>57911623 +What does hostage rescue have to do with AR upgrades +--- 57911645 +>>57911469 +I think you're thinking of the LWRC lower which is insanely priced. ADM is cheaper than LMTs I'm pretty sure +--- 57911655 +>>57911621 +Ammo +--- 57911664 +>>57911630 +As far as I’m concerned there are only a handful of actual adults here everyone else is underage. +--- 57911681 +>>57911615 +You can't post receipt proof? +--- 57911695 +>>57911681 +No I changed the order over the phone. +You'll have to wait until next week I suppose +--- 57911696 +>>57911645 +>I think you're thinking of the LWRC lower which is insanely priced. ADM is cheaper than LMTs I'm pretty sure +maybe you're right. +--- 57911706 +>>57911695 +https://www.atlantictactical.com/surefire-flash-hider-for-m4-m16-rifles-sf3p-556-1-2-28/ +Somebody buy this before DMT does so he gets cucked again. +--- 57911751 +>>57911706 +$150? Fuck I shouldn't have bought all that ammo. +--- 57911752 +>>57909711 (OP) +Fishy someone wants to buy your credo +--- 57911755 +be the anon who asks a question once and accepts the answer they get or you might end up with a saker +--- 57911761 +>>57911706 +I could use one for my 16 +--- 57911764 +>>57909835 + +holy shit how did you fuck up this badly? +--- 57911775 +>>57911406 +Talking about assembled lowers btw. +--- 57911780 +>>57911775 +the one you assemble yourself +--- 57911787 +>>57911590 +Second the emails. How I got this recently +--- 57911803 +show proof you bought a rc2 and i will buy you any sf muzzle device except the sf4p +--- 57911817 +>>57911803 +I'll take another 3p. thanks braj +--- 57911819 +>>57911787 +blessed. +--- 57911831 +>>57911817 +for you: closed tine only +--- 57911838 +>>57911831 +oh +--- 57911867 +guys i took too long to engrave my lower and im pretty sure janet reno is outside with the atf. help +--- 57911868 +>>57911819 +>sb2 +--- 57911873 +>>57911549 +>No fucking way any LGS would allow you to change your purchase over the phone on an NFA item +Not DMT but I did this with silencershop when I made a mistake on my can choice. I caught them before they submitted the form 3 to send it to my LGS. +--- 57911897 +>>57911868 +huh? +--- 57911901 +What's this circular hole on my upper for? +--- 57911913 +>>57911901 +QD swivel socket for slings or keychains +--- 57911918 +>>57911901 +there is no hole in your upper tho +--- 57911929 +>>57911901 +The handguard one? That's a sling QD point +--- 57911937 +>>57911913 +>>57911929 +Ty anons +--- 57911938 +>>57911751 +Not him but that’s the standard price. You have a long time to buy this thoughever. +--- 57911943 +>>57911937 +you didn't say thank you to me tho +--- 57911953 +Travis Haley is fucking based and I'm tired of acting like he isn't. +--- 57911961 +>>57911953 +literally and unironically who +--- 57911964 +>>57911943 +fy +--- 57911973 +>>57911964 +are you mad at me or are you mad at yourself for not being able to correctly identify the parts of an ar 15 platform rifle? be honest and be yourself +--- 57911992 +>>57911961 +>He doesn't know +Dead in the stairwell. +--- 57912002 +>>57911576 +Actually I'm gonna remake it with a webbing qd socket since you finally said something useful, and I can cut the old triglide off and slide another on doubled-up to get the webbing to come off the top of the stock as well but the sling position doesn't bug me as much. +And fuck you too, I made a passing reference to being in once and it's all you've latched on to. +--- 57912054 +>>57911897 +oh +--- 57912125 +>>57911817 +A52N054786 +Nice try +--- 57912153 +>>57912125 +just reported it stolen +thanks for the free RC2 anon! +--- 57912164 +>>57912125 +Fuckin saved. About to ruin this fucking faggot. +--- 57912187 +Before he deletes the file. +--- 57912209 +>>57912187 +dessert metrosexual cant stop catching L's, BTFOd by big flex aka ash now this lol. +--- 57912213 +>>57911953 +Watching now dudes the goat +--- 57912218 +>>57911953 +I like him but his gear sucks dick. +--- 57912234 +>>57912209 +that's not dm retard. +--- 57912246 +>>57912125 +>>57912153 +>>57912164 +You guys are fucking faggots. +--- 57912249 +>>57912218 +His chest rig for aks is outstanding. +--- 57912258 +>>57911901 +God I love Fightlite rifles. I want someone to make one out of a transferable/post sample lower for the memes +--- 57912260 +>post gunz! post gunz! post gunz! +>someone's always looking for a way to get your sn and screw you over +Yeah this is why I don't post my shit here anymore +--- 57912261 +>>57912234 +i hope its the redditfag +--- 57912272 +>>57911953 +He supports arms, he’s retarded +--- 57912274 +>>57912260 +right because surely anon has the ability to do literally anything at all with serial numbers. +--- 57912282 +>>57912260 +No one cares about your shit unless you constantly derail threads with shitposts like >>57911817 has for over a week now. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. +--- 57912285 +>>57912282 +huh? I barely come here. +--- 57912296 +>>57912246 +Lmao, your own fault +--- 57912301 +>>57912125 +nigger tier behavior on your part anon +--- 57912303 +>>57911953 +>Supports LGBTQ community +>BCM shirt +Hmmm.... +--- 57912307 +>>57912301 +he's wrong anyways. let them have their fun. I don't think I am who he thinks I am. +--- 57912308 +>>57912272 +ARMS is literally part of how he got famous, also kys ddschizo +--- 57912312 +>>57912296 +That's not me, but you are an irredeemable nigger +--- 57912319 +>>57912307 +>h-he's wrong anyways! +Is this the RopeCope42% I've been hearing about? +--- 57912326 +>>57912319 +It's a really awesome can t b h +--- 57912330 +>>57911621 +House, land, wife, equipment, supplies, training for a 30-80 man free company. +>>57911630 +I primarily squabble over guns. The more I have the more opportunities there are. +--- 57912331 +>>57912326 +Yeah but one tranny bought one so we need to throw ours away +--- 57912335 +>>57912301 +Sorry just typed a bunch of random numbers +--- 57912336 +>>57912308 +Glad that faggots gone +--- 57912342 +>>57912331 +well if you say so +--- 57912343 +>>57912249 +The TRMP placard is trash. I can't speak to the rig. +--- 57912349 +>>57912335 +Lol this is how you know it's the real SN because he's trying to deflect. I compared it to my RC2 and the digits up to a certain point are all the same. It's the real SN and anon fucked up and he knows it. +--- 57912352 +>hello atf? anon posted a suppressor +>oh ok well this shows it registered to anon +>I see. +>have a nice day +what could you even do tho? +--- 57912355 +>>57912349 +The real question is how did anon get that SN if he blurred it out? +--- 57912364 +>>57912355 +The anon used a brush in PS to blur it out. if you go back over the area in the opposite direction it undoes the brush effect. +--- 57912372 +>>57912352 +you should have been here when Dave posted his address and social security number. we had a good laugh +--- 57912389 +>>57912364 +>tfw scribbling sn in black on mspaint on all pics +paintchads win again +--- 57912399 +>>57912389 +it was like a sticker or something in my camera app +--- 57912402 +>>57912372 +Same with boltforce posting an order screenshot with his info. The difference is that both of them were likeable so nobody cared. +--- 57912408 +>>57912402 +oh ok +--- 57912415 +>>57912352 +>hello ATF, some guy is selling drugs, illegal weapons and making threats +>he threaten me by posting a picture of a silencer in his possesion I was able to undo the blurring of the serial number +anon gets investigated, not jailed but an inconvenience. +--- 57912428 +>>57912402 +>The difference is that both of them were likeable +dave is some fed faggot, I didnt like him. +--- 57912438 +>>57912261 +It’s neither of them and reporting NFA items stolen is the dumbest shit you can do it might actually blow back on you. +--- 57912440 +You’re safe RC2 anon. Nobody here does anything. Michelle and Vicious have both been doxxed and nobody has done a thing even though they are hated here. Even the sheetzo that seethes all day and night never tries fucking with anyone. +--- 57912449 +>>57912336 +Well good news, his 30 day is gonna end soon. He got banned towards the end of March, should be a few more days +--- 57912457 +>>57912440 +I'll be ok +--- 57912462 +>>57912209 +>RC2 +>desert furry +--- 57912492 +>>57911752 +good, it IS the best mid power optic choice for those on a budget +--- 57912496 +>>57912415 +You need proof for any of that. They literally dgaf about any of us unless you are leo or a politician. +--- 57912507 +uh guys? the atf just flew over my house +--- 57912523 +>>57912507 +You have nothing to worry about, you're a chicago gang nigger with auto sear glock. +--- 57912551 +>>57912440 +how about the time shark had his home address triangulated from pictures +--- 57912562 +>>57912551 +how about the time giddy from mint Hill NC went awol from the army and got his name on he deserter list +--- 57912574 +>>57912562 +how about the time a2 bought akg 100 mcdoubles and they doxxed his face anyways? +--- 57912577 +>>57912246 +Wait wait, you thought I was serious?? LMAO how the fuck am I gonna report an item stolen when its registered to you dumbass? Its a joke not a dick don't take it so hard princess. +--- 57912585 +>>57912577 +to quote dmt, "thats not me" +--- 57912587 +>>57912577 +I like the menacing approach better. +--- 57912606 +>>57912574 +he really thought he could buy their friendship with 99 cent hamburgers after acting like a prick all weekend. i know he'll come back eventually he he always does but im not looking forward to it +--- 57912613 +I just want vicious to leave for good +--- 57912623 +>>57912496 +not really people get fucked by less, apparently some fags on /pol/ were arrested for saying dumb shit. anon gets reported as a transphobic member of a white nationalist group posting guns online is enough to get a visit. +--- 57912638 +>rc2fag gets sn leaked +>says he'll be fine +>probably because its registered to his dead name before he transitioned +--- 57912674 +>>57912623 +They fucked with leo. That’s the difference. Leo only looks out for other leo they don’t care about us. +--- 57912681 +>>57912674 +post illegal shit to prove it then. +--- 57912709 +>>57912681 +call the cops i dont give a fuck +--- 57912747 +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → +>>57912745 → diff --git a/k/57909747.txt b/k/57909747.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c20d6003e27cc73451817e99c84d1467f2ba16a0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57909747.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 57909747 +According to Polish sources this accident happened in Swietoszow, Poland during Ukrainian training. Both crew were Ukrainian. + +- kur*a mać, no zobacz co kur*a narobiliście?! +- ya tsʹoho ne zrobyv +- a kto prowadził wóz? +- praporshchyk... + +https://9gag.com/gag/ago7QVq?fbclid=IwAR1b6oGOSNGVy18LbNRb6jcaGyeIs9vObCjhAXyouYmBLSXltuOBw3ZXWiE +--- 57909779 +>>57909747 (OP) +How are Eastern Euros so good at throwing turrets? +--- 57909799 +>unironically and shamelessly linking 9gag +>fp doesnt even berate this nigger +/k/ is doomed +--- 57909819 +>>57909799 +Why berate him. It's like he just admitted to eating his own boogers. What can you possibly say, this late in the game, that's going to alter his behavior? +--- 57910464 +i thought this website had died for good when threads opening with linked reddit posts were taken seriously and 9 out of 10 posts weren't telling the OP to rope himself, but this is new +the jannies are terminal niggers if this doesn't earn a red text ban +--- 57911432 +>>57909819 +>What can you possibly say, this late in the game, that's going to alter his behavior? +It's to show the less retarded who might want to do the same that this shit isn't welcome. +--- 57912287 +>>57909747 (OP) +>polish posters were 9gaggers all along +Honestly did not expect this, totally forgot that exists +--- 57912302 +>>57912287 +>bumping from page 9 +--- 57912334 +>>57912302 +I opened the thread like 3hours ago but haven't had my phone in my hand since. +--- 57915287 +>>57909747 (OP) +>9gag.com diff --git a/k/57910052.txt b/k/57910052.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d684181abbd2abf83a19ae99cd3a590c09d8b8f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910052.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 57910052 +>have to disassemble the entire rear end of the gun to reload it + +What the FUCK were they thinking? +--- 57910070 +"better see if this thing even works before I make more than just a prototype" +--- 57910085 +>>57910052 (OP) +I have no idea how this went into production! Shake my head my head +--- 57910089 +>>57910052 (OP) +What happened to the sixtwelve shotgun? +--- 57910186 +>>57910089 +>What happened to the sixtwelve shotgun? +Company seems to have died unfortunately. Was really interested in that concept, people who shot it liked it, revolver might have been better semiauto than mag. Sure looked great with the wood. They may have gotten too ambitious push the whole modular aspect and trying to get government contracts for the underslung thing which is mostly going away anyway, never made much sense. Should have focused on just delivering a standalone and suppressed version and that's it. Sounded like they simply ran out of runway. + +People still remember the jackhammer and six12 generated enough buzz maybe someone else more established will give it a go and actually get to market next time. Keltec or the like, willing to do something wild but very capable of actually making guns. +--- 57913152 +>>57910052 (OP) +It was a CONCEPT GUN, not a production model dude. +--- 57913217 +>shotgun as a soldier's primary weapon + +what the FUCK were they thinking? +--- 57913243 +>>57913217 +they were predicting Ukraine and the return of trench warfare. +--- 57913255 +>>57910052 (OP) +it was a pretty good gun in stalker online, but I preferred the sig sapr even though it was ~1500 golden rubles per month diff --git a/k/57910199.txt b/k/57910199.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8e78b976e41c2c867581cca4fd0886a1ef56976d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910199.txt @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +----- +--- 57910199 +Is something like this the ultimate concealed carry garment? Imagine being able to walk around concealing a full doomguy loadout. +--- 57912267 +>>57910199 (OP) +i wear one its great +--- 57913026 +>>57910199 (OP) +Kill all gypsies +--- 57913129 +>>57912267 +Pics? +--- 57913646 +Hoop skirts are a massive pain and to make them look right you also need a really funky wireframe contraption. Something like a longish skater skirt or a circle skirt would be better. +--- 57913680 +>>57910199 (OP) +guncloak +--- 57913712 +>>57913680 +The most mind numbing thing is when you realize that entire contraption gives him less firepower than a Glock with a spare mag or a Five-Seven without one +--- 57913795 +>>57913712 +>him +--- 57913821 +>>57913712 +>him +And that's 50 derringers right there. +--- 57914059 +>>57913712 +Well if you want firepower you should go with the guncross +--- 57914154 +>>57914059 +--- 57914214 +>>57910199 (OP) + +The ability to conceal an assault team under the skirts is not too shabby. +--- 57914360 +this is why I don't get it whenever someone says it's harder for women to conceal carry. +--- 57914468 +>>57914360 +Most girls don't want to walk around everyday in big skirts. +--- 57914477 +>>57913680 +Why does xir use single shots instead of fully automatic 1911 +--- 57914543 +>>57914468 +you could still easily conceal a full size pistol under a knee length skirt. most women are just whores who wear pants so tight they're sucked into their ass cracks. +--- 57914553 +>>57914360 +most women in the 21st century do not wear hoopskirts +--- 57914555 +>>57910199 (OP) +How much longer until the screeching about trannies dies down and comfy concealed carry skirts can be a thing? I want to be able to pocket carry a Mk23 with a suppressor. +--- 57914580 +>>57910199 (OP) +--- 57914658 +>>57910199 (OP) +You can probably hide a midget security detail under those victorian cage crinoline skirts. Imagine lifting up your skirt and - flashbang, out charges a heavily armed SWAT team of midgets, like some fucked up fever dream version of a protoss carrier. diff --git a/k/57910205.txt b/k/57910205.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1119e232c789206fe9192e4404ae7990ddf53903 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910205.txt @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +----- +--- 57910205 +So how realistic is AFU's counterattack with only soviet and Ukrainian-modernized aviation? russians are stupid and al that, but they had plenty of time to dig in +--- 57910311 +>>57910205 (OP) +>So how realistic is AFU's counterattack +Depends on where they attack. A second Kherson offensive could cut off Crimea. +--- 57910459 +> > 57910205 +So, just how big of a faggot is OP? And, how deep does he take the dick up his ass while chugging cum? + +Some mysteries we will never get answers to. +--- 57911089 +>>57910311 +Yes, but russians aren't complete morons, there will be losses. And Ukraine is already low at least on Su-24's, since they disappeared from Kyiv's aviation museum +--- 57911166 +>>57911144 +sarcasm would be a lot easier to tell, if this board wasn't flooded with genuine retards so much +--- 57911181 +>>57910205 (OP) +Is that Sophia Lillis? +--- 57911520 +>>57910205 (OP) +Ukrainians hace the intel advantage thanks to the US. Even if this were a peer to peer fight the Ukrainians should be fine as long as they don't do anything stupid and the weather agrees with them. +--- 57911889 +>>57911089 +>but russians aren't complete morons +I've yet to see evidence to the contrary +--- 57911950 +>>57911144 +look out these pathetic HATO retards photoshopped the leak to make it look worse for Russia. +--- 57912130 +>>57911144 +>biden will be indicted +yawn. getting indicted is less serious than getting a swirly. +--- 57912567 +>>57911181 +the book character? +--- 57913155 +>>57910205 (OP) +GIV GINGER GF diff --git a/k/57910329.txt b/k/57910329.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..701068b5f8841f0e7671ed62376e9bcbbcca219d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910329.txt @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +----- +--- 57910329 +>hurr durr use a 2 hand grip when using a pistol + +FUCK YOU +--- 57910357 +>>57910329 (OP) +>I'm clinically retarded +>this is /k/'s fault +yeah +e +a +h +--- 57910361 +>>57910329 (OP) +You're not supposed to wrap your thumb around +--- 57910369 +>>57910361 +now you fucking tell me +--- 57910370 +considering the injury location you grip was retarded +--- 57910382 +>>57910329 (OP) +you seem too retarded to own firearms +--- 57910388 +>>57910369 +You should've listened +--- 57910393 +>>57910329 (OP) +Grip the gun right or don't touch one at all +--- 57910400 +>>57910329 (OP) +I'm having a hard time understanding how you even managed this +--- 57910415 +>>57910329 (OP) +How does this happen? I'm trying to wrap my brain around it +--- 57910424 +>>57910329 (OP) +(You) +--- 57910439 +>>57910329 (OP) +I'm with >>57910400, how the fuck is this even possible. Like, even if you never saw someone shoot a handgun before or didn't watch a single video or anything, the handle is well below, it's obvious what the slidey bit is it's called the SLIDE kinda hard to miss you have to rack it to even fire. You are a special kind of stupid OP. +--- 57910476 +>>57910329 (OP) +????? +--- 57910505 +>>57910415 +same +I can't even figure out how you could hold a pistol to get an injury in that spot +--- 57910548 +>>57910505 +He held his offhand resting on and above his mainhand. +The gun slid back as he fired. And the edge scraped his hand. +--- 57910549 +>>57910369 +>don't touch moving part +Sorry did you need a warning label? +--- 57910571 +>>57910505 +>I can't even figure out how you could hold a pistol to get an injury in that spot + +how do you not understand if you own guns yourself? on pistols the slide is reciprocating and made out of metal. although some pistols can give you a nastier cut than others I suppose +--- 57910596 +>>57910329 (OP) +LITERAL SKILL ISSUE lol +--- 57910612 +>>57910571 +go pick up your gun and put your left hand in a position where you would get injured in the same location +do it +--- 57910634 +>>57910548 +>>57910571 +but that's a strange unnatural way to hold it and not just merely seeing a single picture or person shooting but just thinking about the gun for a second before shooting would make obvious that you shouldn't have your flesh on the high speed moving bit. op should have rtfm +--- 57910651 +>>57910612 +i tried this and it really made no sense. unless the bloodstains are from after and not during. +the hold that would cause that injury isnt a hold a normal person would even attempt or think yeah this is correct. +--- 57910686 +>>57910612 +>>57910634 +>>57910651 +Right? I mean, I've heard of people getting a bit of slide bite on the top of their hand behind their thumb, preventing that is why a lot of guns have a little curve or piece sticking out there. Since advice is usually to get as high as possible short of being in the way of the slide to have max control, someone overdoing it once in awhile happens. But that's not what the op's injury is at all, placement is all wrong. +--- 57910730 +>>57910686 +the only way this makes sense is if somebody were trying to be jetli disarming a guy grabbing a different persons gun by the barrel +--- 57910823 +>>57910634 +The answer is OP is a retard. That's it. +--- 57910906 +My theory is OP was picking up his gun with the slide locked back. He tripped the lever and the slide bit him while he was holding it. +--- 57910911 +C clamping a fucking pistol? Are you serious Lucas?! Fucking twinks man. +--- 57910956 +>>57910329 (OP) +Wait hol up I think it's a press check gone wrong. Index finger is on the left of the slide and thumb to the right gripping hard and the hand cut on the dustcover/step up to the frame. Right? +--- 57910971 +>>57910956 +that makes the msot sense to me +--- 57911002 +>>57910612 +I just did and my hands told me it's retarded. +--- 57911055 +>>57910329 (OP) +2 hand grip doesn’t mean thumb over bore on a pistol you fucking retard. +--- 57911067 +>the slide did WHAT? +--- 57911069 +>>57910906 +My theory +--- 57911120 +FUCK ALL OF YOU FAGS YOU SAID "C-CLAMP" MEME WAS GOOD EAT SHIT +--- 57911334 +>>57910369 +>shooting gun +>slide has to go back to extract casing +>"lemme just run my thumb over it" +Be happy it wasn't a revolver +--- 57911477 +>>57910382 +MOMMY PLS GIB MILKY PLSSSS MOLKY +--- 57911521 +>>57910369 +based retard +--- 57911879 +>>57911120 +Did you thumb over bore an automatic pistol? +--- 57912276 +>>57910329 (OP) +Skill issue +--- 57912433 +>>57910369 +To be fair the gun told you first…. Did you listen? +--- 57912447 +>>57910476 +I prefer the right. +--- 57913123 +>>57910329 (OP) +so you are the guy that made it necessary to have a pto shaft cover +--- 57913684 +>>57910369 +Aim at your head next time +--- 57913888 +had one job, and you fucked it up +--- 57914198 +>>57910329 (OP) +You are intended to hold it like pic related, who is a trained professional. As to what she's trained in, I'll let you decide. +--- 57915278 +>>57910329 (OP) +> t. diff --git a/k/57910348.txt b/k/57910348.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c6ac3fea81afdb53c71ddfb668dbd89bb4dc1bbb --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910348.txt @@ -0,0 +1,435 @@ +----- +--- 57910348 +Git gud guide: https://bayfiles.com/96M9Ec9eue/ +Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik + +Previous Thread: >>57886860 → +--- 57910474 +>>57910348 (OP) +--- 57910566 +This is my problem solver. +--- 57910644 +Bros it's over for me. I messed around with a PDP F(emale)-series and it fit my hand like a glove. I've got baby women hands i'm ngmi +--- 57910675 +Should I buy a S&W E Series I want a 1911 +--- 57910723 +>>57910675 +>external extractor on a 1911 +--- 57910774 +>>57910675 +Yes they're functionally adequate but they're overpriced now; you should just bite the pillow and get a Dan Wesson Specialist +--- 57910781 +>>57910348 (OP) +Would +--- 57910792 +>>57910723 +>Something something I'm retarded +--- 57910801 +>>57908646 → +>The Springfield XD series is mainly fixed by now but they're weird and made to budget spec by HS Produkt and marked up to non-budget levels by Springfield. + +Is $359 a bad price for a run of the mill XD9? What's so odd about them outside of the 1911-style grip safety? +--- 57910858 +>>57910781 +so should i do a pepe one or a chud one? + +would they put pic attached on one like this? + +https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpEObakDuAI/ +--- 57910887 +>>57910858 +You should kill yourself and never talk again. +--- 57910918 +>>57910801 +$359 is a good price for it. Really the only grip most people have with them is the grip safety +--- 57910934 +>>57910887 +would they do CHUD-14888888 for the serial? +--- 57910995 +>>57910644 +Who cares you have a GUN +Or will do once you buy an F-Series +--- 57911023 +>>57910995 +What is that thing that looks like playdough there? +--- 57911058 +>>57911023 +A piece of epoxy putty to add rigidity between the back of the grip and frame +--- 57911071 +>>57911058 +Ah that makes more sense. Also does it taste good? +--- 57911082 +>>57910348 (OP) +gawt damn that is some intense porting +--- 57911083 +>>57910801 +Just save up another $200 for the XDM Elite. Blows the shit out of the original XD. +--- 57911099 +>>57910995 +Is that from using the E2 grip hammer seat with the old school grips? +--- 57911104 +>>57911083 +Not only does that look like a Glock with down syndrome. It also looks like a clinically retarded FNX .45 tactical. Good lord. +--- 57911105 +>>57911083 +Is your optic mounted that high so you can use with NODS or something? +--- 57911109 +>>57911083 +jesus chist unity makes risers for handguns now? +--- 57911139 +>>57910644 +it's fine +you're valid +--- 57911151 +>>57911105 +>>57911109 +lol it's the Swampfox Kraken + +>>57911104 +I like it +--- 57911155 +>>57911083 +>suppressor-height sights +>Beretta-height optic mount +--- 57911264 +>>57911099 +I don't think so, I learned of the autistic instability from my first P226 which has pic related, is this E2 guts as well? I know it's using a short recoil spring just the same but it has a longer hammer strut to compensate apparently. I used to use electrical tape, pic related, before I made new plugs from epoxy. + +>>57911071 +Dunno, probably chemicals +--- 57911286 +>>57911151 +You have every right to do so but I will still make fun of it. +--- 57911333 +>>57911264 +Looking over at google images it seems the blue Sig has the normal hammer seat while your 2nd pic with the black Sig has the E2 hammer strut and hammer seat. +--- 57911339 +>>57910858 +>>57910934 +>>57911139 +Homo, can you please leave and not return? +--- 57911395 +>>57910887 +Triggered troon +--- 57911403 +What the fuck do you call this pose? +--- 57911437 +>>57911139 +>uke +fujo trash reatrd. +--- 57911445 +>>57911403 +the nothing personnel kid pose +--- 57911446 +>>57911395 +You seek attention and get mad when you get laughed at for seeking it. +--- 57911458 +>>57911333 +Interesting, thanks. Makes sense, the dealer who sold me the black one asked if I wanted an E2 grip or regular and not knowing better back then I said E2 so he must have swapped the guts accordingly. I later went and got regular grips because they feel way better lol +--- 57911462 +Post gunjaks +--- 57911483 +There was this dog p226 at my gun store and it was in the used little table area. It had this decocker thing that didn't decock at all. I'm wondering what that lil lever even was. +--- 57911504 +>>57911458 +I like the feel of E2 but I have big fat hands that like slimmer grips. +--- 57911524 +>>57911462 +No +--- 57911527 +>>57911139 +faggot weirdo +--- 57911537 +>>57911524 +I said we're posting them +--- 57911546 +>>57911462 +--- 57911556 +>>57911537 +Post some actual guns nobody +--- 57911642 +ATTENTION +LTT can cut M9A4, 92D, etc. slides now. +--- 57911647 +>>57911642 +Sweet +--- 57911676 +>>57911642 +let's fucking go +Berettabros stay winning +--- 57911719 +>>57911642 +THEY CAN CUT BRIGADIERS???? + +Should I get my Elite II cut? +--- 57911829 +>>57911719 +Sure, do whatever mays your heart sing and your wallet cry. +--- 57911884 +>>57911676 +WE BERETTA POSTIN? +--- 57911890 +>>57911884 +yes this is now a Beretta general +--- 57911908 +>>57911884 +What's some good sake? It's impossible to research because those tricky nips called it something that's already an english word—terrible SEO on their part +--- 57911957 +>>57911908 +Most nigoris +Specifically if they specify having a "pure rice" stock (junmai) as their base. Means it has no additional additives like added sugars, coloration, or added alcohol to enhance abv/mask more unpleasant tasting notes +What I posted is very good but hard for me to find. Sho Chiku Bai Nigori Cream is good too, same with Tozai Junmai Nigori Snow Maiden Sake +--- 57911967 +>>57911957 +Thanks; that at least gives me a place to start. +--- 57911988 +>>57910348 (OP) +snakeskin ruined it and now it all clashes, way too fuckin busy +>>57910566 +solving problems since 1892 +>>57911083 +I haven't seen something this mallninja since kevlar abdominal implants +>>57911403 +>breath-check before a mugging +--- 57912027 +I'll probably wait a month or two and just get a bunch of cuts done since he does Glock and P30 too. Might wait to pick up a 92xi and get them all done at once so I'm not shipping a million times. +--- 57912062 +SW586 no dash, date of manufacture November 1982. picked it up at a gunshow a few days ago +--- 57912100 +>>57911642 +How are they cutting 92Xs and M9A4s now when they said previously the reason they couldn't was because too much material was already missing? I always thought it was retarded they "couldn't" do it but why now? Are they welding up slides and re-cutting? +--- 57912107 +>>57910474 +--- 57912117 +>>57912060 +--- 57912121 +>>57912100 +IDK, neither the email nor the product page elaborated; I assume Langdon'll have a YT vid up at some point explaining what he did to make it work. +--- 57912217 +>>57910348 (OP) +Went to a range and tried out a Canik TP9 SFX. Felt great, performed above expectations. Anyone have experience with Caniks? I have heard the recoil springs require different grain ammunition than is common in the US +--- 57912220 +>>57911403 +DESPAIR +THE END OF THE WORLD +--- 57912322 +>>57912217 +I have a tp9da and it's pretty nice and yeah they require 124 grain. +--- 57912368 +>>57911642 +--- 57912412 +traded in my wrangler for a P365, it was the two tone model +I can't wait to shoot it and eventually carry it +--- 57912430 +>>57912100 +If they wre welding and re-cutting then they could put a front BUIS on M9s, etc. +--- 57912487 +I'm feeling it, Beretta brothers. I'm feeling it. +--- 57912510 +>>57912487 +that will be 400 bucks please (used to be 350, I guess the hike was for the more R&D costs of the new cut) +--- 57912534 +Elite length barrel on the 92XP looks good +--- 57912558 +>>57912534 +That's what I'm getting for my dad...once they're available +--- 57912559 +>>57912534 +Needs blue +--- 57912593 +>>57912217 +115 is the most common but 124 isn't uncommon at all +Caniks are usually GTG, Turks are capable of making good guns when they want to. You'll get boomers and internet autists like me making fun of you for having a roach gun but I've never heard of any glaring issues with them. +--- 57912607 +>>57912062 +Awesome, you should post the left side to flex on lockcucks +--- 57912642 +Should I buy one of the Beretta 85BBs that Atlantic Firearms is selling? +--- 57912645 +>>57910801 +The older ones had an issue where a part would work itself out and brick the gun, more often than not while shooting. Not a widespread issue. 359 isn't terrible but I'd personally go for a taurus G or a used cop gun at that price. +--- 57912654 +>>57912645 +wasn't that the gun that would do that with a live round in the chamber and you'd have to ship it to springfield with it loaded +--- 57912673 +>>57912642 +400 is a tiny bit high unless its in really good shape but they'll only go up +--- 57912689 +>>57912673 +The ones claiming to be "excellent" are closer to 500 +--- 57912699 +>>57912654 +Yep lol +It only happened a couple of times and they sold a lot of guns, but its still not great when you're talking about a $600 MSRP gun that was sold the previous year under a different name for like $250. +I'm personally kinda interested in the Tisas Zigana (totally not because of the RE4 remake), local shop has them for 200. +--- 57912719 +>>57912689 +Nvm looks like I'm an out of touch boomer, 400 looks about market value for an okay one rn. If you want one, get it, the surplus is going to run out soon and I bet the price will stabilize around 500-700 depending on condition. +--- 57912735 +>>57912719 +I probably can't afford it for a couple months so I hope their stock sticks around a bit longer +--- 57912738 +>>57910995 +I probably will end up getting it anyways just because it looks pretty nice. +--- 57912773 +>>57911083 +If I saved that extra $200 I could pick between it and a Canik Mete Pro. Hmmm +--- 57912834 +>>57911139 +--- 57912879 +Your thoughts on the Ruger®™© ReadyDot®™© Optic /hg/? +--- 57912916 +>>57912879 +I don't understand it at all. If you can't zero the optic than what's the point of it. No windage or elevation adjustment. + +>precision reticle and sight picture +>no precision at all + +Like if they came prezeroed on guns with perfect return to zero on the mount then it'd be okay but they won't. +--- 57912923 +>>57911139 +>Trying to reclaim 'onions' +Desperate +--- 57912935 +>>57912879 +It's a cool superbudget option for the cheapest of cheap guns but I can't see putting it on anything that costs $350 or more. I want one for the memes, once I get something appropriate to put it on. Keltec P15 aluminum maybe lol +--- 57912956 +>>57912923 +I put STARS grips on my gun because I'm deathly afraid of the T Virus, T phobic even. +--- 57913021 +>>57912879 +It's cheap and it's at least as useful an aiming device as irons, which also have a 15 MOA aiming reference that can't be zeroed very precisely. +If you need quarter-MOA clicks and a 1 MOA dot on your micro-compact pocket CCW that will never be shot at more than 10 yards except as a lark, buy a different dot. +--- 57913076 +What are the most sci-fi looking pistols that an ordinary schmo could acquire reasonably? +Not being a piece of shit optional, I just want to know what's the weirdest looking stuff. +--- 57913105 +>>57913076 +one of those extremely mediocre South African guns from Minority Report, probably +--- 57913111 +>>57913076 +Calico pistols/carbines. +--- 57913113 +thoughts on using resin to emulate bakelite for some 1911 grips? I wanna replicate the bakelite ak mag look. Aside from spray painting all I can think of to emulate this look is to mix different shades of orange/brown resin in a swirly pattern. +--- 57913150 +>>57913113 +--- 57913177 +>>57911139 +That's the ideal form fujos desire (it will be destroyed with violence) +--- 57913180 +>>57913150 +saw that a while back, it's definitely a good match. Not sure how durable it would be though, but I guess the same could be said about resin. +--- 57913323 +>>57913247 +Should have gotten a CSX + +But I hope that stainless prevents it from rusting +--- 57913417 +>>57913076 +can be had <= $300 +--- 57913459 +>>57913417 +forgot to say it's a Beretta U22 Neos + +A PS90 isn't a pistol but it shoots a cartridge that is fired from many pistols. An ordinary schmo can acquire these provided they save given their price but there is always availability. Shooting it is another story. +--- 57913502 +>>57913459 +PS90 arguably isn't even the most scifi gun that takes P90 mags anymore +--- 57913517 +>>57913417 +I have always liked the look of these because they remind me of the zapper +--- 57913561 +>>57913502 +that's true, but it's iconic because of its use in Stargate so I think it's still the king. + +I wish they made a 5.56 version. You could probably fit 30 rounds in there if you modified the feed part to make it load at an angle rather than flush in the case. It would at least be way cheaper to shoot. + +>>57913517 +they're really fun but being a .22 they just have weird reliability issues. The safety isn't comfortable either but other than that it's pretty great. +--- 57913798 +Nebraska getting permitless carry. Based. +--- 57913800 +>>57912510 +Worth it when the alternative is irons, a Reddit optic plate, or a Unity meme riser +--- 57913818 +I shot my PDP for the first time today at a class. I am not a good shot yet. Thanks for listening to my blog. +--- 57913830 +>>57913800 +someone needs to put a swampfox on a OEM 92x optic plate +--- 57913847 +>>57913818 +People say to "lock your wrists" but they don't mention that the muscles that control your wrists are way back next to your elbows. +--- 57913991 +>>57913818 +POST YOUR GROUPS NERD +--- 57914034 +>>57913800 +it's more like 250 dollars for the cut (particularly invasive and it's a big dovetail too), 80 dollars for the front sight and rear plate, and the rest is for a new firing pin, new firing pin spring, firing pin block assembly, and decocker. Which now that I write all of that out it makes sense for 400 bucks since they give you new sights, plate, and replaced internals. +--- 57914056 +>>57913991 +no its really bad. it was somewhat tight but very low left so I'm guessing it's recoil anticipation or bad trigger pull. i also shot with both eyes open for the first time which was challenging +--- 57914072 +>>57914034 +Don't forget refinishing the slide. $400 sounds like a lot, but like you said it's not just the cut that you're paying for. +--- 57914173 +>>57913991 +>POST YOUR GROUPS +Only ever shoot with picrel. Hear ding or no ding. No clue if groups are gud. +--- 57914219 +>>57914173 +steel targets and their consequences have been a disaster for the gunslinger race +--- 57914243 +>>57912510 +>>57914034 +do they at least cerakote the frame sniper gray like they offer with the PX4 optics cuts? +--- 57914257 +>>57914243 +They will if you ask them to or if the gun you send them had a gray slide already. +--- 57914339 +>>57913076 +Vektor CP1 and Calicos of all types have been used in a ton of things for their looks. Whitney Wolverine, Beretta 9000s used in Minority Report, lots of olympic .22 target pistols show up as hero guns (Margolin from Star Wars, Ruger Mark III in Mandalorian, Benelli MP95 from Batman Forever, Walther SSP from Mission Impossible etc) + +Or you can do the Jericho from Cartoon Spacejazz +--- 57914505 +>>57914243 +Your only options are the ones they offer new slides in, black, FDE, and sniper gray (since M9A3s came in that color). They won’t do anything else +--- 57914642 +>>57913076 +comedy LTT Elite option +--- 57914701 +>>57910644 +I thought I had baby woman hands but they fit my M9 great. +--- 57914728 +>>57914701 +Reports of the M9's girth are greatly exaggerated. +--- 57914745 +>>57914728 +this. When I got my LTT 92 I was worried too but it fits too. +--- 57914777 +>>57912220 +I FEEL THE RISING PHOENIX IN MY DREAMS +--- 57914812 +>>57912047 +I used to love the Beretta 92 when I was a kid, but somehow it's not doing anything for me anymore. It just doesn't speak to me anymore. +--- 57914844 +>>57914812 +upgrade to the beretta 84 +--- 57914945 +>>57914777 +SEE* +Frick. +--- 57914980 +cursed pistol from other thread +its some Turko Russian thing +--- 57915051 +>>57910723 +Im a 1911 purist as well but at least an external extractor is a practical improvement to the 1911 design compared to all of the literal meme tier "improvements" that most manufacturers engage in. +--- 57915231 +>>57913113 +>thoughts on using resin to emulate bakelite for some 1911 grips? +Don't think it will work based on how the resin/wood furniture stuff looks. Consider looking at burlap 1911 grips. +--- 57915248 +>>57912117 +>barbed for your pleasure +--- 57915267 +How long is the 92XP slide? Can swapping the barrel out for the Centurion length one be enough to have it sit flush inside the slide and shorten the profile overall? diff --git a/k/57910390.txt b/k/57910390.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6d4bb4effa80534660cd02b747ac247b387e2070 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910390.txt @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +----- +--- 57910390 +In battle/war it is commonly regarded that somebody who "wins" but damaged themself hard is actually loser, aka pyyrhic victory. Then we come to the Ukraine vs Donbas separatist war where Russia has send some troops and Ukraine throws everything to take a small territory. Can anyone say the cost in armament, men and treasure is worth this strategically speaking for Ukr? +--- 57910453 +>>57910390 (OP) +>to the Ukraine vs Donbas separatist war +Are we talking about 2014? If so, clearly, Ukraine managed to keep several cities for realtively few causalities. +--- 57910491 +>>57910390 (OP) +Depends on post-war western response. If they don't make a marshall-plan tier initiative to rebuild Ukrainian infrastructure and economy I would consider it pyyrhic. +--- 57910511 +>>57910453 +we can consider current conflict is just still essentially Ukraine Vs Donbas with conflict spilling outside +--- 57910545 +>>57910511 +Nah the current war is the Russo-Ukraine war, the Donbas is not the major party in the conflict. +--- 57910582 +the entire war has been a stalemate and in a few months we will see whether this will continue or ukraine claims victory. if they get rebuilt by europe and recapture everything but crimea it will be a victory, if no rebuild pyrrhic and so on +--- 57910664 +>>57910511 +That's not true no matter how hard the FSB tries . +--- 57910679 +>>57910390 (OP) +You still aren't getting any sugar today, Vanya. +Or a washing machine. Not for you +--- 57910736 +>>57910390 (OP) +The reasoning was that Donbas was just a stepping stone to assert even more territorial claims on Ukraine. This fear was completely justified. Despite adopting a strategy of compromise with the rebels under Zelensky, Ukraine was attacked by Russia. +--- 57911009 +is this the new approaved cupe of cope for when they lose everything? +--- 57911038 +>>57910390 (OP) +In the chechen wars russia lost round about 10k men . +How many do you think they lost now in ukraine after a year ? +--- 57911701 +Death is a preferable alternative to being russian. +--- 57913845 +>>57910390 (OP) +I think there may be some flaws in your premise OP +--- 57913859 +>>57911701 +Many Russians aagree +--- 57913869 +>>57911701 +Some Russians are alright. As long as they shoot other Russians. +--- 57913932 +>>57910390 (OP) +Yes, because Ukraine will unlock U.S. protection via NATO and integration into the EU. Russia will unlock turning tricks for China. +--- 57914102 +>>57913932 +>Hello DPR, Russia supports you +:) +>DPR we are invading Ukraine to protect you +:D +>DPR your forces must serve on the most dangerous frontlines +:/ +>DPR your combat worth male population is all dead +:( +>DPR we are now annexing you +:O +--- 57914397 +>>57910491 +This +--- 57914415 +>>57910390 (OP) +>>57910511 +Why don’t you get better English first vatnik? +--- 57914423 +>>57911701 +only after you jew diff --git a/k/57910460.txt b/k/57910460.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..edecc9c57d7d1ed7ff6243d0a4dd7aaa849acc0c --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910460.txt @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +----- +--- 57910460 +Training is a necessity, so is the sustainment and movement of troops. How can the military minimize training casualties? +>2hr PowerPoint on safety +I think having people who were affected by casualties speak and train may help. Means a lot more if the guy telling you to be careful is missing a limb. +--- 57910489 +Its the same logic behind anti drug awareness. If you bring in some suit to talk about drugs r bad ok nobody will care. But when I would go in my city and see people hunched over with their eyes closed like zombies I knew I would never touch that shit +--- 57910513 +>>57910460 (OP) +In 2006, the driver of an Italian C1 Ariete died during training +one of the spent shell bases jumped out of the spent cases bustle and came into contact with another round +said rounds were M322s from IWI, and as it turned out their combustible cases have a combustion temperature way lower than advertised +so a good starting point would be to never trust kikes +--- 57910515 +>>57910460 (OP) +Accidents and injuries are always going to happen, at the end of the day the military isn't a safe place. Only real organisational solution that works is to protect liability. +>sorry Pvt Anon your EEEEEEEEE isn't related to military service +--- 57910592 +>>57910460 (OP) +>unsecured hatch +which hatch and what exactly went wrong? +--- 57910661 +>>57910592 +Not entirely sure. Think those hatches pop up and pivot. If you break to quickly and it isn't secure the hatch swings back around. Heard the guy is ok besides having his shit rocked. +--- 57910683 +>>57910592 +Both right and left hatches lift and swivel; once they’re open they won’t swing shut. Must have not been open all the way and driver touched the brakes. + +Brakes on M88A2 are insanely strong and don’t modulate well. +--- 57911198 +>>57911184 +probably clamped his hand/arm +--- 57911226 +>>57911184 +Is he ok? +--- 57911302 +>>57911226 +He's got a splitting headache +--- 57911343 +>>57911335 +--- 57911369 +>>57911184 +No excuse to lose your head. +--- 57911644 +>>57910661 +>That blood +>Okay +Where he got hit is kinda important since OP just says the guy is alive and not the condition. +--- 57911694 +>>57911644 +HATCH GO SWING, HEAD GO BONK, BLOOD GO SPURT, SKULL GO CRACK +--- 57911717 +>>57911343 +Is that a young helicopter leaving eggs on the beach? +--- 57911797 +>>57910460 (OP) +I don't have the source, but I recall someone here telling the story of a Lt. who was leaning over the breech in an M1 Abrams. The gunner depressed the gun and the breech crushed the Lt. against the roof of the tank. +--- 57914225 +>>57910460 (OP) +It's very common. When you do an NTC rotation it's almost expected that somebody in the Brigade will die +--- 57914258 +I fucking hate being a maintainer. We get treated like shit and have to do dangrous stuff all day. All the pilots make me do inspections and shout go ground monkey go. I am genuniely afraid of compressed air to the point where balloons make me sweaty. + +Jejs You niggers have no idea how bad things are. We simply wipe up all the hydro leaks before your load masters show up because you would shit your pants if you actually knew how broken shit was. +--- 57914281 +>>57914258 +Just fucking ground the aircraft +--- 57914308 +>>57914281 +NTA but.... Lol.. Just lmao.. were it so easy, anon. +--- 57914321 +>>57914281 +Doesn't matter how many red X's I put in the forms. Niggas will always find stuff to bitch about. Plus this base only has 7 planes of which 2 are always tdy, another 2 are on alert with spares ready. Trust me I wanna be a dirt bag but I cant. I got a 94 on my asvab and you niggers made me a crewcheif. Fuck this SrA anon "why aren't you trying to be a dedicated, flying crewchief?" Nigger I dont want to be a regular crewcheif fuck off. +--- 57914503 +>>57914258 +>I am genuniely afraid of compressed air to the point where balloons make me sweaty. +? +--- 57914591 +>>57914258 +>LOOK AT THAT GROUND MONKEY GO +--- 57914635 +From old timer +>some new t-62 driver +>tried to show off skills +>some officer got caught between front and back of a tank +>pretty much cut in half +Also not long ago abrams friendly fire with practice round supposedly hit cupola or something and 1 crew wounded or so +--- 57914670 +>>57914503 +Compressed air with enough pressure, will cut you and force its way into your body violently. It's also noisy. Hydraulic fluid is worse. +--- 57915042 +>>57910592 +>open hatch +>not securing hatch +>faggot is bad driver +>hold onto endge for support +>faggot breaks +>hatch snapes closed +>gives you concussion and loose 4 fingers +thats my theory +--- 57915109 +Powerpoint with gruesome pictures. +It's important to get through the thick skulls of soldiers. They need to be shown gore. They need to realize that safety IS important and that it IS something to pay attention to. Most important for achieving this is superiors that actually care about that shit. +--- 57915157 +>>57914635 +>Between the front and back of a tank +The inside then? +--- 57915246 +I was on a bus stop waiting for ride to the garrison when an old man came to tell story about his son. +>T-54 or T-55 turret crew +>drive in a forest +>gun barrel hits a tree +>turret turns without a warning +>body goes snibedy snab +From then on forest driving was to be done with gun facing backwards. diff --git a/k/57910557.txt b/k/57910557.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e9d3bd48f05cecd9a2c6f139d8e966ef79a85df2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910557.txt @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +----- +--- 57910557 +Did your opinion of special operations change when you realized they are all white trash? +--- 57910562 +no +--- 57910647 +>Put a swim test in +>Only Spics and Crackers can pass + +lol + +lmao even +--- 57910742 +>>57910557 (OP) +are they all white trash? +--- 57910765 +>>57910557 (OP) +not really, no +--- 57910791 +>>57910742 +>majority of combat arms are middle class white high school graduates from red states +>SOF draws heavily from combat arms +>Cletus can run and ruck fast, swims better than Jamal, cadre are all already hicks so there's no personality clash +>joins unit, dips, goes to shoot house, drives lifted truck, beats wife +>gets out with 150% disability, opens gym/starts podcast/sells 'irreverant' t-shirts to own the libtards +tis a peaceful life +--- 57910797 +There are only white people, not white trash + +People are people, not trash, people aren't trash + +People who have had to struggle fight the hardest honestly + +This country has been using our rednecks to fight their wars for ages +--- 57910809 +>>57910791 +Well Cletus ain't exactly on board with the rainbow flags and is honestly a bit insulted that you'd suggest he beats his wife, but Cletus still has combat training and a right to a militia +--- 57910817 +>>57910557 (OP) +I live in North Alabama, half my neighbors are white trash veterans. I already thought of spec ops as that. +--- 57910824 +>>57910791 +Fuck off Αrmatard. If anyone else wants to laugh, we can see the other times he posted that picture with a same filename going back to Summer 2021. Incidentally the time when Αrmatard was most active and getting a near constant 3 day ban. + +https://desuarchive.org/k/search/filename/%20200626-F-VI840-0058.jpg/ wit +--- 57910843 +>>57910797 +>There are only white people, not white trash +You've clearly never had to deal with meth heads +>People are people, not trash, people aren't trash +You've clearly never dealt with people. Some of them, many in fact, are trash. +--- 57910848 +>>57910824 +>using a two year old image macro +>somehow invalidates argument +>being autistic enough to cross reference two year old filenames +oh no who will defend Kyyiv +--- 57910862 +>make a shitpost +>immediately turns into Ukraine vs Russia +--- 57910875 +>>57910862 +--- 57910878 +>>57910862 +Shit posts are and have always been retarded. +--- 57910880 +>>57910824 +I still don't know why you'd use that photo as something to make fun of the US. + +>hurr look at these faggots +>IGNORE THE F-35 IGNORE THE F-35 IGNORE THE F-35 IGNOR + +It's like those incel types that have to attack Stacy or whatever and in the process always use photos of the most attractive men they can possibly find. Like, bro. You couldn't find an ugly arab dude to at least make your point? You had to go for the 6'5 strong white man? Are you sure you're not gay? + +>>57910862 +Yeah these idiots seem to think that once Russia is done with Ukraine then magically all globohomo or NWO or whatever will stop and they'll get trad wives forcibly married to them. I don't know man. They're not right in the head. +--- 57910889 +>>57910862 +>>57910848 +> I was only pretending to be retarded +Giving up so soon Αrmatard? Lost for words? Imagine posting the same image for years then having any surprise when people call you out. You would be better served by a therapy. +--- 57910908 +>>57910889 +Psst, here's one April last year with the same filename. +https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/g3tCO-_tK0_XaHIWp6flsQ/ + +>>57910848 +How's it feel to simp for a gangster state for an entire year and watch it go from a credible regional threat to a fucking meme? +--- 57914630 +>>57910791 +>this is what the third world is and always will lose to +--- 57914835 +>>57910557 (OP) +They white compost nigga +--- 57914869 +>>57914630 +yes usa totally won afghanistan +--- 57914884 +>>57914869 +Hiding in a cave is not fighting shitskin +--- 57915061 +>>57914884 +>if you change the definition of winning, you win +--- 57915114 +>>57914884 +Nor is hiding in a fob, kafir. +--- 57915132 +>>57914884 +>Fight me so I can win! Err I mean fair, fight me fair! +--- 57915146 +>>57910742 +I've known a couple of 'SF' guys well enough to form an opinion. One was a friend of mine's dad growing up, and he was about as far from white trash as you could imagine. Well spoken, college educated, nice home, etc. Bit of a hardass and his sense of humor was a little lacking, but not a bad guy overall. +The other was admittedly a bit of a redneck but certainly not in the white trash category. diff --git a/k/57910589.txt b/k/57910589.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1804badd8cb5b2da8e3e0dfaae9388df4c251292 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910589.txt @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +----- +--- 57910589 +Let me guess, you need more... +--- 57910605 +>>57910589 (OP) +that is retarded as fuck anon +--- 57910685 +>>57910589 (OP) +Most definitely +--- 57910842 +>>57910589 (OP) +>glisenti naval bodeo +Uh yes, i do anon +--- 57910853 +>>57910589 (OP) +>firing pin removed +Yes i do need more +--- 57910855 +>>57910589 (OP) +I also need bacon, beer, and pussy. +--- 57911028 +>>57910589 (OP) +Ya. Needmore sneedmore nigga, gimme the thug shaker dude! +--- 57911756 +>>57910605 +If you are gonna be al snobbish, I got another one. +--- 57912756 +>>57910589 (OP) +And once again, the Colt SAA was superior to the fag shit that Euro armies were using. Only the British could make something better. +--- 57912910 +>>57912756 +late 19th century S&W > late 19th century Colt +--- 57912929 +>>57910589 (OP) +Yes… I bought 1 revolver… and now I seek to buy all the revolvers… +--- 57913541 +>>57912756 +>the Colt SAA was superior to the fag shit that Euro armies were using. +Lmao no it wasn't. +--- 57913582 +>>57911028 +You got the booty, dude! Got damn. +--- 57913722 +>>57910589 (OP) +>there are more than 6 liberals still alive +>need more +YES. +>current minimum +I'll need a Ohio class submarine with a full loadout of Tident II D-5 missiles. +>live in Kansas +I'll bury it in my fucking yard. +>why do you need it +Liberals have threatened my life. They threaten to pass unconstitutional laws to infringe upon my civil rights, more specifically the use of armed officials to threaten my life in order for me to surrender my lawfully acquired property. As such I reserve the right to kill anyone attempting to vote for such laws, and the most efficient and practical means for a single individual to quickly kill these attackers is multiple W40 nuclear warheads detonating at optimal spread and altitude over a Democrat majority city. Hopefully this demonstration of resolve, and the reduction of Democrat voters will convince the rest to cease with their attempts on my life. +--- 57913822 +>>57912910 +A fair point, especially the double action ones. +>>57913541 +Post one that's better than it that isn't British or a S&W Model 3. You won't and can't. +--- 57913875 +>>57913822 +>You won't and can't. +Easy. +--- 57913892 +>>57913875 +>no spring loaded ejector rod +>weak cartridge +Try again. You only posted this because you think it being DA is a bigger plus than it actually is. +--- 57913920 +>>57913892 +No, being DA and having an automatic rebound are both pretty big deals making it the superior design. Also, better sights and a much more compact design help too. +--- 57913947 +>>57913920 +>muh design +Don't care about design, I care about use in combat. +>DA +Just learn to use your thumb. +>automatic rebound +Just load your 6th round before a fight. Indians are going to let you know they're there. +>better sights +Marginally, but ok. +>compact +We're wearing swords you fucking retard, compactness doesn't matter. +--- 57914000 +>>57913947 +This is cope. +--- 57914026 +>>57914000 +Another underpowered revolver, but it is at least one I like. Mummy nostalgia and all that. +SAA is still better. +--- 57914280 +>>57914000 +A man of kulture I see +--- 57914408 +>>57913722 +You’re a fag +--- 57914425 +>>57914000 +>>57914280 +>just like my heckin' Forgotton Weapons! diff --git a/k/57910886.txt b/k/57910886.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e25071daf17f9562697bd953305a3519c00a9836 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910886.txt @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +----- +--- 57910886 +Hypothetically, what rounds would be approved for skinwalkers? +--- 57911076 +I wouldn't worry about it +--- 57911115 +>>57910886 (OP) +You really don't need a firearm for skinwalkers, as they're fairly harmless. They won't work very well on us anyway. +--- 57911132 +>>57910886 (OP) +I wouldn't worry about it. +--- 57911153 +>>57910886 (OP) +I live by a large res and fucked a skinwalker witch until she stopped being evil and yearned only for my cock. + +Can't beat the dick, man. +--- 57911165 +Sadly skinwalkers don't exist +It would be awesome as fuck to be one though +--- 57911171 +>>57910886 (OP) +Pure silver .45-70 cast under moonlight by a untouched maiden. If you want to be extra careful you need to micro-engrave each bullet with runes of warding against fae folk and/or a reversed summoning circuit is completed when the bullet impacts something +--- 57911188 +>>57911171 +>Navajo monster +>runes +>fae +>summoning circle + +You're a fuckin bitch +--- 57911244 +Waaaalking iiiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiiiiin...! +--- 57911311 +>>57910886 (OP) +.22lr like any other varmit +--- 57911843 +>>57911132 +a bit sus +--- 57911860 +>stupid white people thinking you can just shoot a skinwalker +Listen here, white man, you can only survive a skinwalker by talking to a medicine man who really knows his stuff. You have to go through an entire ritual to apologize to the wronged spirit. Anything less and you'll disappear without a trace one day in the woods. +--- 57911863 +I'm more curious what rounds are approved BY skinwalkers +--- 57911870 +>>57911860 +What if I bathe in sex lube and then slide into her dms? +--- 57912424 +>>57911863 +Two world wars of stoppan powah, baby! +--- 57914730 +>>57910886 (OP) +Hugs and kisses +--- 57914763 +>>57910886 (OP) +I wouldn't worry about it +Metsänpeitto protects me from evil things +--- 57914808 +>>57910886 (OP) +.32 sw super +--- 57914986 +>>57910886 (OP) +5 rounds of .38 wadcutters son + +----------------------------- +phil "coyote" johnson +USMC 1981-1982 (medical discharge (diabetes)) +72 mustang +--- 57915007 +>>57910886 (OP) +Bazooka. +--- 57915085 +Anything of significant faith should drive them away. White ash is often considered a native symbol but if you read the Bible ancient peoples would mourn the dead and their wrongdoings with ash. It has powerful symbolic power. It's linked to death, passing through to the afterlife and the cycle of mortality, as fire brings ash that feeds new life. When dealing with spooks of the non glowing kind you have to consider these things. +--- 57915112 +>>57910886 (OP) +Nothing. Skinwalkers are impervious to gunfire. If you see one you definitely should NOT shoot. +--- 57915127 +>>57910886 (OP) +barring magical weapons silver or incendiary rounds are your best shot diff --git a/k/57910933.txt b/k/57910933.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4f907773e8fcacab6223f2c0d0a6fa9f6fb3e9e6 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910933.txt @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +----- +--- 57910933 +Alright /k/omrades, I haven been on 4chan at all since about 2016. I have a new computer and lost all of my /k/ memes, innawoods stories, reaction images, and basically everything /k/ related. I used to be a tripfag, but I've finally learned that shit was gay as fuck. Dump what you got + +Ave New Alea + +Bonus Point if you remember the charity aluminum /k/ badges from 2014 +--- 57911001 +>>57910933 (OP) +The board has gotten pretty big gay since then dude. You were better off gone. I wish I could be. +--- 57911029 +>>57911001 +Same. I really need to get off the cesspool and do more with my life. +--- 57911052 +>>57910933 (OP) +>hurr guys I was a tripfag durr +You're still an attention whoring nigger. Fuck off, we're better off without you. +--- 57911064 +>>57910933 (OP) +/k/ has been overrun by eastern euro fags that shill for the war in Ukraine. It's like 30+ threads a day. Over night, many "normal" /k/ threads get archived because that's when we're asleep and they're the most active. + +I have 87 active filters (your trip included) and it's still pretty shit. I've mostly moved to /wsg/ and /o/ now. +--- 57911078 +>>57911052 +Lol lmao. +>Current year +>Better off +Pissing in a sea of piss or whatever. +--- 57911092 +>>57911052 +never change. +--- 57911126 +>>57911078 +>the place is shit and overrun by Ukraine threads +>I know let's add MORE tripfaggotry +Tripfags all deserve the rope +--- 57911136 +>>57910933 (OP) +>I've finally learned that shit was gay as fuck. +getting arrested will do that to you. +--- 57911159 +>>57911126 +The only tripfags I know of are in generals. Worst case scenario is /arg/ convinces another trip fag to cut his dick and balls off to sell to some chinaman for a dick growth herbal tea so the trip fag can afford to buy an elcan because instagram said they're cool again. +--- 57911174 +>>57911064 +>(your trip included) +How on God's green fuck would you know my trip from 2013 +--- 57911357 +I became more of a /his/ guy in the last ~10 years +does Oppenheimer come around anymore? He was the only tripfaggot I actually enjoyed. And the one guy who posted William S. Lind's Victoria for everyone to read. +--- 57911465 +>>57911357 +Oppenheimer is long gone. There's nothing of value left here, it's just social media with a slight delay. Watching the Russians stick their dick in a meat grinder after vatniks hyped them up for ever has been kind of funny though. +--- 57911468 +>>57910933 (OP) +Buy Coomoil and drink some +--- 57914814 +>>57910933 (OP) +I think I remember you. + +/Pol/tard Trump dickriders got out of hand in 2016 but that has gradually subsided. Nowadays it's all about Ukraine but that's a massive ongoing war so at least it's relevant most of the time, although the Vatnik/Ukie back and forth hatefuck gets tiresome to observe. + +I don't think I'm going anywhere anytime soon. +--- 57914935 +>>57910933 (OP) +Hi and welcome back. What are your pronouns? +--- 57915000 +>>57910933 (OP) +best i got for you +--- 57915101 +>>57910933 (OP) +Fuck off. For your own sake. And because fuck you. +--- 57915115 +>>57915000 +that one's outdated, bottom should have a switch for the current year +--- 57915116 +>>57911174 +Don't mind the local current era shill. +--- 57915277 +>>57914935 +they/them/she +--- 57915292 +>>57915277 +Fuck off tranny +--- 57915307 +>>57910933 (OP) +>Ave New Alea +don't pretend to be an oldfag you stupid phoneposter diff --git a/k/57910940.txt b/k/57910940.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c92cf553193224cd669d5607e2f2e2b522abe8ce --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57910940.txt @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +----- +--- 57910940 +I have obviously never been involved in anything like this, but it seems the cop that got shot made a pretty basic mistake. + +https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1646114472744853505 + +Officer Wilt gets shot at about 20 seconds in + +>active shooter inside bank +>bank has one way glass so the shooter can see out of it but you can't see him +>proceed to walk directly across the field of view he would have from inside the bank +>get shot in the head + +I'm no expert but wasn't there a better way to approach this? I mean why the fuck would you do that? I understand you have to make entry into the bank to address the threat, but why give him such an easy target? +--- 57910954 +tunnel vision and stress +next question +--- 57910972 +Skill issue. +--- 57910983 +Skill issue. +--- 57911581 +>>57910940 (OP) +>>bank has one way glass so the shooter can see out of it but you can't see him +Wait was it one way glass? In a previous thread about this, people were saying it was just the reflection/light difference and claiming that the officer would have been able to engage the shooter if he had a scope. +--- 57911987 +>>57911581 +Either way the result is the same, it looked like one way glass to me but I don't know for a fact. If mean yeah, if he had a scope. Also, if he had a helmet maybe he would have survived, but he had what he had. +--- 57912024 +>>57911987 +>If mean yeah, if he had a scope. Also, if he had a helmet maybe he would have survived, but he had what he had. +The scope issues was directed at the other officer who wasn't shot and wasn't able to return fire until the shooter shot out the glass +--- 57912065 +>>57910940 (OP) +Beat cops sent in to do a tactical units job. They shouldn't send in regular cops to immediately rush a shooter with an assault rifle unless it is a school shooter. +--- 57912080 +>>57912065 +What makes school shootings different from other mass shootings? +--- 57912102 +>>57912080 +Kids dying = bad hope this helps +--- 57912106 +>>57912102 +Not that guy but I don't see why a school shooting is automatically worse than other types of shootings, you say kids, I mean they're basically adults. I don't think you could get anyone in America to publicly say "The loved ones that were shot in the bank mattered less than the loved ones that were shot in the school." +--- 57912110 +>>57910940 (OP) +>all the semen chuggers in the comments +--- 57912141 +>>57912106 +>>57912102 +Kids are literally worthless potentials, college kids are perhaps worth saving but prior to that like highschool or preschool, them dying is not a huge cost to society unless its your own kids. Grown adults between 20 and 40 that actually work are the lifeblood of a nation as should be protected at the very least equally as ferverently. +--- 57912150 +>>57912141 +For sure, when they tally up the death toll of the shooting children should only count as half a point +--- 57912158 +>>57912106 +Schools can have hundreds to thousands of kids, banks what ? 30 including employees? Kids dying are objectively worst/sadder then adults dying seethe all you want +--- 57912167 +>>57912150 +>>57912141 +Ah the early Roman style, they don't even count as human till they hit 13 so you can kill them if you want. +--- 57912175 +>>57912158 +>m-muh chillins +--- 57912227 +One of the cops should've had a polarizer on his lpvo,it's such a game changer no glass tint is safe with these polarizers +--- 57913415 +>>57910940 (OP) +Cops are retarded. +Is this seriously news to you? +--- 57914997 +>>57910940 (OP) +>(((krassenstein))) says muh ARs are ebil assault weapons! +--- 57915013 +>>57910940 (OP) +He has a point, chuds. +--- 57915064 +>>57912141 +Adults can carry and protect themselves. +--- 57915224 +>>57915013 +>npc profile pic diff --git a/k/57911050.txt b/k/57911050.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..feb27b5dbcf432cb0d50a3e5ad8bd3175f4ba797 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911050.txt @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +----- +--- 57911050 +wtf nods are these and for what purpose +--- 57911074 +>>57911050 (OP) +I wouldn't worry about it +--- 57911101 +>>57911074 +ok +--- 57911113 +>>57911050 (OP) +W I D E R +--- 57911240 +>>57911050 (OP) +use VR goggle and then you will quickly understand the term "fov" +--- 57911614 +>>57911050 (OP) +>cringe gay ass respirators/masks +Larper cuck shit +--- 57911680 +>>57911050 (OP) +I don't know, but if you don't buy them you will instantly die when boogerlube. +--- 57911690 +>>57911050 (OP) +That's not night vision, it's abyss vision. +Now we can stare into it with greater clarity. +The catch is that it too can see you with far greater clarity. +--- 57911784 +>>57911113 +--- 57912250 +>>57911050 (OP) +Looks like a turbo larp. +--- 57912266 +>>57911050 (OP) +Are the side things torches? +They look like torches. +If they're IR torches they might work well desu. +--- 57912871 +>>57912250 +>I +>SEE +>EVERYTHING +--- 57912926 +>>57911050 (OP) +>>57912266 +they're actually tiny hellfire missiles, this guy is basically a walking apache longbow +--- 57912981 +>>57911050 (OP) +This enables you to see at night, when night turns to nighttime. - Riddick, Bitch Black (2001) +--- 57912988 +>>57912926 +>backblast? +--- 57913100 +>>57912988 +it's a cold launch VLS, but he has to look straight up to fire it and then back down before the motor lights diff --git a/k/57911219.txt b/k/57911219.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7f5aebe3dbdaaba30554e5b4502e0420affb5faa --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911219.txt @@ -0,0 +1,1015 @@ +----- +--- 57911219 +New Russian army recruitment ad just dropped +--- 57911228 +>>57911219 (OP) +>Meanwhile, the pozzed West +https://youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4OoPNY_YM [Embed] + +https://youtube.com/watch?v=C8-Yslv4PME [Embed] +--- 57911229 +>>57911219 (OP) +This vid was cringe even for the Puccian MoD, and that's saying something +--- 57911247 +YWNBAHMSS + +YOU WILL NEVER BE A HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS +--- 57911262 +Protector of the banans... +--- 57911265 +>>57911219 (OP) +It looks like they ripped off that one Ukrainian ad from a couple years back +--- 57911267 +>>57911219 (OP) +Now do the reality lol +--- 57911278 +>>57911219 (OP) +I don't get it. What are they trying to say? What's the little baldy homosexual in the gym meant to be and why is the soldier dreaming of working in a supermarket, or is it that they guard supermarkets with belt fed in Russia. I don't get it. +--- 57911285 +>Russians have PMC style security guards protecting fucking grocery stores +>2.5 kg plates on bench press +Yep this is authentic. +--- 57911288 +>>57911267 +Cant do that on a non NSFW board. +--- 57911289 +>>57911278 +>no matter where you live, or who you are, you're going to frontlines blyad +--- 57911292 +https://youtu.be/vVPx4xnLXbk [Embed] +--- 57911295 +>>57911219 (OP) +>emerge from smoke +>gets shot +--- 57911300 +>>57911219 (OP) +I wonder if this actor will turn out to be a gay porn star, just like the actor for the last ad +--- 57911319 +>>57911219 (OP) +>paying cash for a cab in the year of our lord 2023 + +Africa tier lmao +--- 57911322 +>>57911219 (OP) +French Army have some similar ads years ago +--- 57911360 +>>57911219 (OP) +The advertisement is literal, they are actually just mall cops, taxi drivers, and personal trainers who get no training and a uniform and then die in a hole near Bakhmut +--- 57911366 +>>57911219 (OP) +Where did they find those white european looking actors? +>>57911288 +>non NSFW +It's called a blue board, newfag. How about you fuck off from here while you still have a chance? +--- 57911368 +>>57911219 (OP) +Some editor anon needs to take this ad and at the end with the foggy action pose, zoom transition to that aerial clip of the russians gettin artied through that fog/smoke. + +It should line up perfectly +--- 57911373 +>>57911219 (OP) +>>57911267 +Narrator: "Every single one of these actors hoped this would stop them from getting drafted, but they did. The taxi driver actor died after mere 2 hours after arriving at the frontline, the supermarket guard died of an infection after being raped by his peers, gymbro got hit by a grenade in nomansland, no one came to help or retrieve him and he died after 28 hours of agonizing pain." +--- 57911388 +>>57911219 (OP) +>SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP +--- 57911392 +>>57911219 (OP) +>all of them have their limbs +>not showing off a soldier sucking dick in one shot and working as a prostitute in the next +>not showing off soldiers digging graves for comrades in one shot and being buried in one in the next +>no officer selling the gas of his vehicles in one shot and working as a gas station manager in the next +>no seaman desperately escaping the moskova in one shot and working as a scuba trainer in the next +They filmed this pre-invasion didn’t they? +--- 57911414 +>>57911300 +Thise guys are way too well fed to be typical Russians +--- 57911452 +>>57911219 (OP) +wyrdnw +--- 57911453 +>>57911219 (OP) +>smash-cut to their APC driving directly over a row of mines +--- 57911457 +>>57911228 +>Meanwhile the pozzed West +Has to make touchy feely girly ads to distract from the railing we give thirdies +--- 57911473 +>>57911285 +I didn't even notice. +--- 57911481 +Do Russian grocery stores have security guards with metal detectors? banana theft must be serious +--- 57911488 +>>57911452 +--- 57911496 +>>57911219 (OP) +The taxi driver part is kino. Imagine Russian Travis Bickle being sent to Ukraine to act out on his worst impulses under the misguided belief that he is somehow a Russian hero. +--- 57911514 +>>57911300 +>gachimuchi-obsessed talk show guest was yet another Russian projection +Can't make this shit up. +--- 57911534 +>>57911373 +Jesus... +--- 57911548 +>>57911219 (OP) +It just looks like the Ukrainian ad where the everyman is a volunteer for the army. +--- 57911551 +>>57911219 (OP) +kek imagine a drone dropping an explosive on them just as it ended +--- 57911561 +>>57911219 (OP) +I get it. Grocery shows that the invasion of Ukraine will stop the food shortages. The gym shows that the average Russian is weak and needs help from the army. And the taxi says we are the only reason you get home safe at night. +--- 57911593 +>>57911373 +>no one came to help or retrieve him and he died after 28 hours of agonizing pain. +Ukies are pretty good about mercy killing bleeders with their drones. Except that one time where they only made it worse. +--- 57911606 +>>57911548 +It's just that ours is much much better. +--- 57911640 +they don't look like that anymore lmao +somebody needs to make a picture showing the degradation of Russian uniforms and equipment through the war +--- 57911657 +>>57911219 (OP) +Honestly I like it. Its a good ad if misleading considering the current situation. Of course I'm biased because the little green men look makes me cum myself everytime I see it. Why did they have to invade Ukraine and completely ruin it bros??? +--- 57911685 +>>57911657 +Use little green men to ruin your urethra +--- 57911691 +>>57911640 +--- 57911720 +>>57911534 +When I get on the .50 and sarge tells me to conserve my ammo +--- 57911730 +>>57911657 +>Why did they have to invade Ukraine and completely ruin it bros??? +complete impossibility of coexistence +--- 57911743 +>>57911691 +All things considered, I still like the early 2000s look, but only when paired with the do-rag. +--- 57911769 +>>57911219 (OP) +>Hey are you a fucking loser security guard?! +>Well, the Donbass awaits!!! +--- 57911789 +all the best russian military commanders were just regular guys. givi and motorola were just working as a linesman and car washer before donbass +--- 57911798 +>>57911219 (OP) +Anyone got the link to the original video? +--- 57911825 +>>57911265 +that was pretty good ngl +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOCbW1hc6Ng [Embed] +--- 57911828 +Honestly Russia makes pretty good military ads. It’s just that their army sucks ass. +--- 57911849 +truly we live in the age of the crisis of masculinity +--- 57911876 +Fuck china and especially the ccp + +But i gotta hand it to them, they know how to make army ads + +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JOWRembdPS8&pp=ygUPY2hpbmVzZSBhcm15IGFk [Embed] +--- 57911881 +>>57911219 (OP) +Tactical advantage of having Ivan Steroidov spotting a 55lbs bench press? +--- 57911902 +>>57911366 +It hasn't been a blue board for me for years, newfag. +>Style: Tomorrow +--- 57911916 +>>57911300 +>meanwhile +--- 57911933 +>>57911219 (OP) +YEKSHIMESH very nice I like +--- 57911945 +>>57911228 +so imagine what would happen if the west wasn't "pozzed" +--- 57911976 +Do Russian zoomers actually believe this shit? +--- 57911977 +>>57911228 +lmao if anything these ads shows how the US Army is so powerful they can afford to pander to womyn and troons. The technological gap is unthinkable, the US Army vs Pussia and China would be like aliens blowing up an anthill. +--- 57911979 +>>57911219 (OP) +even in propaganda videos the grocery store looks fucking depressing +--- 57912008 +>>57911219 (OP) +The Ukrainian anti-war ad with the disemboweled Russian getting berated by his mother for not taking Kiev was pretty based. Someone post it. +--- 57912020 +>>57911292 +This was always the most based advert +I also like this one from the cucknadian armed forces +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQ2KGiOuW0 [Embed] +--- 57912021 +>>57911976 +The russian zoomers with enough brain already left the country, so yes. +--- 57912029 +military ads these days are a joke. there's no appeal to honour or duty or putting the world right, it's pure "you, too, can hurr durr lift weight big man smash kill hurr durr" +--- 57912035 +>>57911219 (OP) +>spotter helps the guy benchpressing two 10s + +what the fuck +--- 57912036 +>>57911481 +I seem to recall that when Yeltsin visited America in 1989 and went to a normal supermarket, he was shocked that there was lots of food around and there weren't dozens of guards to stop people stealing it. +IIRC, he thought that a normal Western shop was so crazy that he assumed it was some kind of capitalist deception (reverse cargo cult mentality), so he asked to be taken to about half a dozen supermarkets before he accepted that they were really like that. +--- 57912056 +>>57911881 +the fucking funniest part is him re-racking the weight for the guy + +also what the fuck type of rack is that? +--- 57912073 +>>57911977 +I still don't understand why the Chinese are wearing the que hairstyle, they stopped that. +--- 57912074 +>>57912056 +>the fucking funniest part is him re-racking the weight for the guy +Nothing wrong with that, bench press can be pretty difficult if it's your first time doing it and you're super weak in the upper body. + +The hilarious part is that they're using it for national level propaganda though. Imagine a USMC recruiting ad with a dude struggling to deadlift half his own weight. +--- 57912081 +>>57912036 +>he thought that a normal Western shop was so crazy that he assumed it was some kind of capitalist deception (reverse cargo cult mentality) + + +this is literally every aspect of vatnikness +--- 57912094 +>>57911219 (OP) +>204000+ rub +No way. +--- 57912111 +>>57912036 +>he was shocked that there was lots of food around +Yep +--- 57912126 +reminds me of this but higher production value +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iu1oDiR9WY [Embed] +--- 57912132 +>>57912111 +>tfw I worked at that very store in my teens +--- 57912178 +>>57912036 +>>57912081 +Why do Russians enjoy stealing so much? +--- 57912236 +>>57911481 +No. +--- 57912242 +>>57912178 +In this case it would simply be poverty. +Imagine a Ferrari dealership in a poor neighbourhood, where there's no security and where the cars are left with their doors open and the keys in the ignition. It would be crazy because people would obviously steal them. +To a commie, having a steak or a chocolate cake left in the open is just like that. It's an absurd, unaffordable (to most people) luxury and the idea of not protecting it seems insane to them. +--- 57912279 +>>57911691 +The 2021 soldier's rifle looks like it was AI generated. +--- 57912283 +>>57911219 (OP) +>actors are some models who fleed the Russia long time ago + +Lmao +--- 57912318 +>>57911219 (OP) +Say what you will about Russians, they are excellent propagandists. +--- 57912437 +>>57911219 (OP) +BUCKLE YOUR FUCKING HELMET UP RETARD +--- 57912441 +>>57911945 +Imagine what the US of the 1940s could do with today's technology +--- 57912459 +>>57911219 (OP) +okay, someone really needs to tell me why russians always have ballistic goggles on their helmet where they'll get all scratched up. I have never, I repeat never, seen any of these potato niggers ever use these goggles. +--- 57912461 +>>57911219 (OP) +where's the sequence where they morph into a palate of fertilizer? +--- 57912485 +>>57911228 +I encourage you to believe that + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnyRCaedfc [Embed] +--- 57912504 +>>57911228 +Lmao this shit is pathetic. No wonder the liberal international order is falling apart +--- 57912505 +>>57912459 +vision is for weak westerners +blindness is fine +--- 57912512 +>>57912504 +is it? +--- 57912538 +>>57912111 +>>57912081 +>>57912074 +He originally thought that the shops and people he encountered where specifically set up for his visit, like tourist tours in North Korea, or how foreign journalists in China have state-sponsored "guides" that prevent them from getting into any "trouble". + +After a few more random visits he had to admit to himself that the US and free market capitalism had surpassed the USSR long ago. +--- 57912579 +>>57911219 (OP) +not terrible, +instead of wasting away as a wageslave in russia go die gloriously in pookraine . +--- 57912602 +>>57911457 +by railing you mean leaving them 7 billion dollars worth of vehicles, guns, equipment, etc. like in Afghanistan? +--- 57912625 +>>57912579 +lol +--- 57912641 +>>57911219 (OP) +They should have kept rolling after the artillery strike 10 seconds later +--- 57912648 +>>57912602 +You mean after we destroyed the old Taliban root and branch, and these new "Taliban" are just Pashtun nationalists with no platform? 7 billion is a lot to your mudhut country, it's a rounding error to the USA...and oh look, conveniently it's being used to fuck with Pakistan and Chinese interests in the region, almost as if an agreement was reached between the Trump administration and the new "Taliban" after that meeting at Camp David. +--- 57912656 +>>57912602 +>train and equip Afghan National Army +>pull out +>ANA collapses +>Taliban take ANA equipment +>Lol the US just abandoned Afghanistan and the great Chadiban kicked their butts sending them with their tail between their legs +I know it is a meme but I find it more hilarious how people take memes as reality. +--- 57912659 +>>57911534 +how bad is his concussion +--- 57912664 +>>57912602 +>whatabout <thing we weren't talking about> +Post guns. +--- 57912668 +>>57912504 +There are generally three ways to make people fight in a war or serve in the military: + +>(A) Force them. Conscription. +>(B) Pay them enough that professional soldiering is preferable to other options, which can cost a lot or a little depending on your economy. +>(C) Inspire them to fight for a cause, like nationalism or religion. + +All of these have waxed and waned in different societies over time, and often you try to combine more than one. A lot of militaries today do (B) and (C) but fall back on (A) when that's not enough... like Russia. In the U.S., an aversion to casualties and substantial wealth has led to a focus on technology, and accompanying that is a reliance on recruiting soldiers as a "job." There's a cultural shift to the officer corps becoming more like a corporate professional class, with the enlisted "operator" culture being more about individual advancement combined with a kinda professional athlete ethos. + +There are also recruiting shortfalls, but the answer that often get settled on is to do more of (B), and corporatize the military further (and make "the job" more attractive), which was already true if we look at the rise of PMCs, contract personnel in support roles, and increasing reliance on private providers of military services. Corporatizing the remaining military personnel and their work structures and making "the job" as easy and attractive as possible is just continuing the trend, which reflects the prevailing neoliberal sentiments of our institutions. The "woke" recruiting ads are just one form. + +Some people don't like this for numerous reasons, but they also think this erodes the fighting capacities of the military, which they believe is damaged by giving up on the old methods of inspiration (WASP-ish religion and nationalism) which are seen today as passe or gauche. But that's really hard to predict. (Also lesbians are significantly more likely to serve in the military than heterosexual women.) +--- 57912677 +>>57912602 +>ANA have enough equipment to be a local power +>don't use it and just surrender +>Taliban take over +>immediately crash helicopters, accidentally set armoured vehicles on fire and detonate ammo depots +>followed directly by earthquakes and famine +>strip parts and fuel off their new weapons to sell +>now left with M4s and humvees, as opposed to the AK's and Toyotas they had before +I'd say it was a lateral move at best. +--- 57912694 +>>57911979 +>even in propaganda videos the grocery store looks fucking depressing +That's probably the point. Make civilian life look bleak in comparison to the fucking military lol + +Actually the U.S. Marines do this too. Join the Marines to fight to defend the cyberpunk dystopia you joined the Marines to escape from, kinda brilliant if you think about it: + +https://youtu.be/bCjEV75F2tM [Embed] +--- 57912697 +>>57912664 +whatever happened to tasty periods? +--- 57912706 +>>57912459 +They like S.T.A.L.K.E.R +--- 57912708 +>>57912668 +humans are not soulless robots, and a group needs an encompassing uniting reason to undertake hardship. +--- 57912721 +>>57911945 +Long before Trajan, Nero was performing in drag shows. The people who complain that "this is the declining trajectory of the West" are completely ignorant of history, of how widely a country can swing up and down over the centuries, and how hard it is for a great empire with a solid position to crumble based on sheer inertia. In the 1200s Frederick II declared himself Augustus and acted as a medieval Roman Emperor. The only reason he was stopped and Western Rome not reconstructed was because the Papacy pulled out literally every single stop to destroy his family and in doing so eroded their own moral authority so much that when they tried the same on the French, Philip the Fair sent a force of mercenaries to arrest the Pope, one of whom literally punched the old man to the ground as he was being excommunicated. This of course ignores the Byzantines. Anyone who tells you the West is crumbling or America is done is a fool or a shill. +--- 57912739 +>>57911219 (OP) +Where are all of the jewish homosexual negroid alien invaders and mentally ill people who don’t know what gender they are waiving gay flags? + +This is clearly an inferior military. +--- 57912741 +>>57911977 +The actual message is that we are gentle and progressive and lovey dovey haha, don't protest against us and try to cut our funding because we're the most lethal force ever to exist. +--- 57912742 +>>57911219 (OP) +Why can't we get shit like this? Why do they hate us? +--- 57912744 +>>57912668 +>>There are also recruiting shortfalls, but the answer that often get settled on is to do more of (B), and corporatize the military further (and make "the job" more attractive), which was already true if we look at the rise of PMCs, contract personnel in support roles, and increasing reliance on private providers of military services. Corporatizing the remaining military personnel and their work structures and making "the job" as easy and attractive as possible is just continuing the trend, which reflects the prevailing neoliberal sentiments of our institutions. The "woke" recruiting ads are just one form. +No, it's because privatizing literally everything has been the meme for the last 20 years, as if a soldier dies in military service in a military unit you can sue the government, where if a mercenary dies in a PMC under some nebulous secretive contract you can delay coverage of it until the news cycle moves forward. + +This is exactly the reason why the US emergency transport fleet, both aircraft and ships, are increasingly privatized as well. If you have these things under government control people will sue over it and try to get it sold off. If it's privatized, well it's not your problem. Until you actually need it and you find that the 60% capability you thought you had is actually more like 25% after grift. +--- 57912757 +>>57912742 +--- 57912786 +>>57912111 +Did they really turn all the Quick containers around so their logos wouldn't be shown? + +Also +>When Groccery stores sold bicyles +--- 57912791 +>>57911219 (OP) +>Russians still have police guarding vegetables +Kek they never left 1930 did they +--- 57912809 +>>57912668 +--- 57912816 +>>57911292 +Holy shit that was good. It's a pleasure to stand with you, NATObros. +--- 57912837 +>>57912816 +>we will level your cities, firebomb your towns, strafe your convoys, drive over your soldiers with our tanks, and when we get to your places of government we will hang your politicians from the barrels of our artillery pieces. most will suffer, many will die, all will learn. shoot at one of our border guards. do it. shoot. we want to kill all of you. +>anyway, look at this view! isn't it amazing? :) +Norwegians have always been chads. +--- 57912838 +>>57911219 (OP) +Pretty based. +Fuck /k/opers and fuck globohomo +--- 57912842 +>>57912242 +This. Don't forget, eighty bucks a month is significant in Russia. +--- 57912860 +>>57912504 +What do you base this on? Because my prediction is that you're going to scream about trannies or jews. +--- 57912864 +>>57912602 +American tipping culture extends even to our wartime enemies. 7 billion is a pretty good tip for letting America fuck them in the ass for 20 years. +--- 57912867 +>>57912677 +>>57912648 +America should've allied with the Taliban and trained them instead. You guys picked the losing team and they predictably lost. Talichads styling on your shit daily now. +--- 57912868 +>>57912757 +i thought wind and solar were the future? +--- 57912873 +>>57912838 +Which putin clone is that? +--- 57912877 +>>57911229 +>>57911295 +>>57911300 +>>57911319 +>>57911360 +>Slava Ukr-AAAAAAAACK +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPH16qoKUsE [Embed] +--- 57912881 +>>57912842 +Typical American, can only think in terms of children's toys. +--- 57912888 +>>57912877 +CRY MORE LOL +--- 57912893 +>>57912602 +Did the US not sit for twenty years in Afghanistan, completely dominating them? Unlike your thirdie nation, the US doesn't try to annex "clay" overseas, but create stable allies. If that's not possible, it isn't possible, but it doesn't change the fact that from a military standpoint the US kept its boot on the Taliban's throat the entire time and still controls Iraq to this day. +--- 57912900 +>>57911593 +>Except that one time where they only made it worse. +The one in the water trench? +--- 57912902 +Anybody know how to webm? I sure as shit don't. But I hope you enjoy. +https://files.catbox.moe/ujumqu.mp4 +--- 57912913 +>>57912648 +Holy shit that is some next level /k/ope lel +--- 57912914 +>>57912867 +Illiterate thirdie cope. +--- 57912915 +>>57912881 +>bong toys +--- 57912924 +>>57912915 +>missing the edge +--- 57912927 +>>57912111 +>>57912132 +Who would win, the president of Russian SFSR or a South Houston Randalls? +--- 57912933 +>>57912881 +Typical thirdie, can't afford a hobby. +--- 57912941 +>>57912877 +>ZA POBED-ACK +--- 57912943 +>>57912877 +--- 57912946 +>>57912927 +>Who would win, the president of Russian SFSR or a South Houston Randalls? +--- 57912947 +>>57911219 (OP) +no mention of rape +--- 57912950 +>>57912893 +I'm Canadian bro, we were in Afghanistan too. No one dominated it, they just suppressed the hadjis for a while. But they're little cave dwelling critters that just scurried out of their holes when the West left. This is why no one can conquer them. They live in the stone age and we tried to fight them in the future. They don't want to be civilized either, it is not possible to win their hearts or feeble minds. + +Should've nuked it from orbit. Always bothers me how many nukes America has and never uses them. It's been almost a century now, dust those babies off and let em breath. +--- 57912952 +>>57912933 +Only children have "hobbies". Men have careers and wives. +--- 57912963 +>>57912721 +You forgot the main reason thirdies bleat about how the West is about to fall, overdosing on copium. +--- 57912969 +>>57912950 +>Should've nuked it from orbit. +Why would you drop nukes from the orbit? They'd just burn in the atmosphere. Makes zero sense. +--- 57912992 +>>57912742 +We don't want to advertise how easily we could conquer any of our allies. Even if we have no intention of doing so, strength makes people nervous. Our hegemony is preserved through projecting an image of kindness and a faint silliness, the friendly, blubbery murrican. Look at our World War 2 propaganda cartoons, where the average US serviceman is constantly portrayed as either a chubby goon or skinny manlet while the Germans kept portraying themselves as square-jawed Aryans and the Japanese as buff samurai. +--- 57912997 +>>57912969 +It's an Aliens reference, pajeet. +--- 57913013 +>>57912933 +>*cries in /v/ about $70 video game* +>*cries in /v/ about 4090 24/7* +>*begs slavs for torrents* +Nice "I can afford a hobby!", pes ebani. +--- 57913024 +>>57911219 (OP) +ZOLTAN! +--- 57913034 +>>57912950 +>>57912969 +>>57912997 +Should have got some Irish space marines to nuke it from orbit twice to be sure to be sure +--- 57913044 +>>57912997 +based Aliens enjoyer +--- 57913049 +>>57912837 +It is an honor to supply them with F-35s. +--- 57913059 +>>57912838 +What country are you from? I'm gonna look up how poor it is. +--- 57913080 +>>57912864 +These are the posts I come here for. +--- 57913082 +>>57913059 +China +--- 57913097 +>>57912708 +Well, it's also worth remembering Machiavelli's contempt for mercenaries (at least during the time of Renaissance-era Italian city-states) because while they're easy to hire, they're never to be trusted to risk their lives if the odds aren't heavily in their favor, to say nothing of trusting them to not leave you with your ass hanging in the wind if someone offers them a better offer to even a simple bribe. Nor trusting them with your PowerPoint slides when they dump them on WikiLeaks or a Discord server. + +>>57912744 +Sure. But without getting deeper into it, I think overly focusing on the "woke" ads misses a deeper and more underlying trend, which is that a lot of the old, tired -- but also rather important and fundamentally more social -- rituals (drill, marching, uniforms) and commitment to the "higher cause" no longer appear relevant (well other than for the Marines). And you can say that, yeah, the woke ad which looks like a corporate recruiting ad more than a military ad is the problem, but a lot of people who don't like don't see that the Blackwater merc meme thing is part of the same overall trend. You don't get one without the other, it's part of the same deal. If you want a military that emphasizes an operator culture with a lot of focus on individual advancement, then you also get ads that say "I'm going to join the Army because I want to feel validated and special." It's the other side of the same coin. +--- 57913109 +>>57912950 +We're not going to set that precedent. We used them once. So far we are the only ones to use them. If we start using them again against non-existential threats, particularly offensively, it could undo our entire peaceful hegemony because we go from everyone's buddy and the guarantor of global maritime trade to an existential threat to every other nation, and in the long run that is not survivable. It's lovely to imagine us just dropping a nuke on the Three Gorges Dam, but realistically we aren't going to fuck up the good thing we have going. +--- 57913131 +>>57912913 +>/k/ope +Ah, the universal faggot mating call of a tourist with no argument, realizing that he will always be a thirdie. +--- 57913147 +>>57912950 +>No one dominated it, they just suppressed the hadjis for a while. But they're little cave dwelling critters that just scurried out of their holes when the West left. +that is what "dominated" means, if it was a war of conquest a la Ukraine then the US could have just shored up that "suppression" and moved in civilians & contractors to build some shiny new cities with Afghani slave labor (and/or sent them off to ghettos for re-education) +"nation-building efforts" in Afghanistan were much lazier in every way than even those in Iraq, which were riddled with waste and corruption, but this betrays the point that the coalition won so hard it could spend twenty years essentially playing house in some random middle eastern nation +--- 57913165 +>>57913097 +Machiavelli attacked mercenaries in his book because he lost to them IRL and there are examples of famous mercenaries living in the same time period who were steadfastly loyal to a town for decades. +--- 57913170 +>>57913147 +bruh +--- 57913176 +>>57912952 +Peasants live a life concerned solely with tilling their field and beating their wife when the local lord is done using her pussy. Lords and gentlemen have always had hobbies. +--- 57913188 +>>57913170 +you are projecting +--- 57913192 +>>57912952 +comedy gold +--- 57913196 +>>57912838 +How dare you present Putin as a Nazi, 15 years prison or Bakhmut for you +--- 57913225 +>>57913013 +>in /v/ +>pes ebani +Holy ESL. Yes, I'm sure a hypothetical troll thread on /v/ is very representative of the West as a whole. I wouldn't know, $70 is well below how much I typically spend in ammo per range trip. +--- 57913236 +>>57913188 +oh no we're doing buzzwords now +--- 57913241 +>>57913082 +Oof. I'm sorry for you, dude. +--- 57913258 +>>57913236 +you don't know what a buzzword is, either +--- 57913293 +>>57913170 +You can't refute a single one of these facts, you're asking us to just trust your gut. +--- 57913295 +>>57911219 (OP) +>Russian army recruitment ad +>doesn't involve homosexual rape or stolen washing machines +--- 57913308 +>>57913170 +>reason away the evidence +This is retarded. It's literally just "agree with whatever dumb shit I say or you're in denial". +--- 57913319 +>>57913258 +oof, triggered. +--- 57913375 +>>57912035 +It's the theme of this advert. Being a civilian is the weakest shit. +When you are security, you have a small little detector thing that looks like it is a paddle. You are a lame duck. +When you are in fitness, your actual job can be described as being as potent as that bench. A total joke, just look at those tiny little weights. +When you are a taxi driver, you are basically wearing a pussy hat, the sign of the taxi has a pinkish color. And you will receive small tips from women. + +In short, being a civilian is just sad. Join the army and be a man. +--- 57913389 +>>57913319 +>oh no we're doing buzzwords now +your posts are incredibly low quality +--- 57913419 +>>57911825 +Russia really did just lazily RIP that off... guess that's on par with their usual work. +--- 57913445 +>>57913375 +lol +--- 57913448 +>>57913389 +no they're not, i just didn't come here to argue about how great america is or isn't. honestly they're above the quality of an average 4chan post and i think you know that. +--- 57913468 +>>57913375 +God damn, now that you put it that way I've just gotta enlist and get that unwanted buttsex and lack of real gear! +--- 57913473 +>>57913448 +wow cool post that sure is a lot more garbage I don't care about, are you going to admit you were wrong now, or continue to dodge doing so by posting nonsense? +--- 57913493 +>>57912441 +Surely you realize that our actual soldiers are still pretty ruthless... the troons and otherkin are kept deep in admin where the worse they'll do is fuck up someone's pay (which just makes that Marine a better fighter). On the rare occasion someone fucks up and they end up in a combat role they're bullied until they join the 47%. +--- 57913496 +>>57913473 +I'm not sure what I was accused of being right or wrong about, gimme a QRD and I'll let you know. +--- 57913530 +>>57912952 +Man, I can't imagine being this poor. Like I can imagine being poor, but even the homeless here have disposable income. +--- 57913534 +>>57912941 +>ZA POBEDU +I mean, has to be safer than Granta, but still. +--- 57913548 +>>57913496 +how about you read posts before replying to them, faggot +--- 57913558 +>>57911228 +>>57911219 (OP) +Ironically, Ukraine did it best. this is unironically the only military ad that gave me feels, didn't feel like brainwash or that someone is trying to pander to my " machomasculinity" or faggotry, or anything cringe like that +>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOCbW1hc6Ng [Embed] +--- 57913569 +>>57912927 +H-E-B +--- 57913600 +>>57913558 +https://youtu.be/tJKFNPGS_XM [Embed] +--- 57913604 +>>57913548 +bro I am reading all of your posts, too many people replied because my post was so fire and then you just started saying I was wrong. +--- 57913623 +>>57912786 +>>Did they really turn all the Quick containers around so their logos wouldn't be shown? +you can clearly tell it's chocolate syrup and it's meant to face the other way because the other side of the tub has the ice cream in it. they donjt need to hide the cholota brand to the russian prime minister. +--- 57913656 +>>57913534 +>new GAZ-202024 presented on Moscow International Automobile Salon +--- 57913682 +>>57911219 (OP) +>25kg bench +Slow down, Hulk! +--- 57913841 +>>57913558 +What kind of soulless fuck do you have to be to hate on these dudes for defending their homeland, anyway? Real question, a serious question. I don't fucking get it, man. +--- 57913861 +>>57911730 +Can you find these books online for free? I don't want to have to download tor only to find out the Imperial Library of Trantor has been down for years or something. +--- 57913896 +>>57913841 +Anon these vatniks think Ukraine as a state doesn't exist, the homeland is actually just an oblast or two in the Federation, and anyone fighting for "Ukraine" is misguided or worse a traitor to the Motherland + +It's like if Canada invaded Oregon and tried to claim it was the long lost Province of Beavers or some shit. You'd think they were insane. That's what the vatnik has convinced himself that Ukraine is doing. + +Of course there's also the fifth columnists here and the answer there is a lot more pathetic, mostly it's about them not having girlfriends and projecting their hate on trannies/government spending, with a few people hating any foreign investment/spending and wanting the US to go full isolationist. The latter group almost never admits that even if the US pulled out completely the UK, EU, NATO and UN would still support Ukraine, so that makes them just as bad as the fifth columnists. + +Just call them all vatniks. +--- 57913912 +>>57913225 +>hypothetical troll thread on /v/ +It's reality actually. I mean now way you're /k/ only tard. People complain in masse. +--- 57914073 +>>57912036 +I mean, they ARE stealing stuff off the shelves in places like Commiefornia, just not food but non-necessities. +--- 57914329 +>>57911945 +>imagine what would happen if the west wasn't "pozzed" +It would be the most glorious civilization in the history of the world. We'd be colonizing Mars by now and fighting space wars of independence. That's why the thirdies are doing us a favor when they point out how cancerous the woke stuff is, even if they don't intend to + +>>57912441 +Leadership was already pozzed by the 40s, with guys like Morganthau gaining influence +>>57912721 +Drag shows aren't the worst of it, though they're part of the decline. The real problem is obviously demographic replacement. If you're wondering how that works out, just look at South Africa +--- 57914349 +Starship Troopers was satire. +--- 57914392 +>>57912877 +>Ukranian soldiers burried with honours +>ziggers left to rot in a ditch and listed as MIA so their commanders can keep cashing in their paycheks +>cum/chug/ing thirdie thinks that is some sort of a gotcha +--- 57914514 +>>57911292 +holy kino +--- 57914531 +>>57912877 +you are a worthless retard +--- 57914562 +>>57911219 (OP) +>civilian life sucks, be a real man and die for monke +lol, lmao +--- 57914583 +>>57912721 +America will be mostly non White in the 2040s +The moral Fiber in North America is gone the only thing keeping it together is money which means Amurrica is living on borrowed time I say by the 2060s what’s left of the DC government will be like the Byzantines after the 4th crusade at best (a senile regime only controlling a fraction of what was formerly America) while the rest of the Continent is either in a state of mud anarchy or controlled by a White successor state(s) +--- 57914589 +>>57911219 (OP) +I like this one +--- 57914602 +>>57914583 +Ok go hang yourself if it’s so hopeless +--- 57914609 +>>57914602 +I hate America +This is my dream that going to come true +--- 57914623 +>>57911977 +So smart high IQ people made the tech that made America’s military great? Well it’s a good thing we’re maintaining that high iq population and not villianizing it and replacing it with low iq people. Good thing thats not happening +--- 57914626 +>>57911977 +China is closing the gap with a ton of stolen technology and subverted westerners. Russia has been using human waves since WW2 (yes they did, fight me) but China abandoned that after they saw their losses in Korea. Trying to use economics to drive a wedge between China and Russia was a mistake. Keeping them isolated from western money markets might have hurt them enough to collapse by now, but boomers just couldn't resist mountains of cheap plastic crap. +--- 57914632 +> "mall cops, gym bros, and cab drivers can be troops...and they will be troops" +--- 57914636 +>>57912877 +>invade yet another country that wants to have nothing to do with them +>rape and murder anything that moves +>rape and murder their own soldiers too +>thinks that make russians based and russia strong +--- 57914659 +>>57912893 +Ngl, this memorial is fucking hilarious! +--- 57914672 +>>57911319 +Cash is freedom +--- 57914676 +>>57914583 +t. demoralized +--- 57914681 +>>57912664 +I cant help but feel sorry for him. He looks like my lil bro who's still in 10th grade. I hope someone in the Kremlin grows a pair and blows Putin's brains out +--- 57914689 +>>57912706 +Oh I see, they invaded to get heart of chernobyl early +--- 57914690 +>>57913896 +isolationists should be hanged with the same rope as ziggers, both of them deserve one another +--- 57914697 +>>57912648 +The Taliban ideologue leaders dont fight. They just preach their shit on Fridays at mosques in Pakistan and even in Afghanistan +--- 57914703 +I heard this is not an official governt ad but it was made by a political party or something similiar. Anyone knows more? +--- 57914707 +>>57914676 +I do not have to the cognitive dissonance to be able to look at this nightmare and think that everything is fine +I hate it +--- 57914716 +>>57912111 +I cant speak for the states, but Canada has a serious problem with too many shops that have nothing but junk while butcheries for fresh meat and groceries for fresh veg is a drive away through traffic +--- 57914724 +>>57911219 (OP) +>some guy needs assist when benching like 25kgs +FFS +--- 57914746 +>>57914716 +This is a capitalist problem I think, pretty much every country is dumping the "butchers/grocers in every town" model for one where a few super large butcheries produce meat for multiple cities at once with it shipped JIT. + +It helps because you can take advantage of economies of scale, and because of that you can price out local butchers like Walmart/etc have. + +It's cancer and should be illegal, but I don't think most countries are ready for that realization yet. I don't think the pandemic taught them so we might have to wait for the first nuke to be dropped on a freight rail hub. +--- 57914756 +>>57914703 +it says "become a contractor" at the end so... +--- 57914771 +>>57911219 (OP) +>want a civil job? +>you’re a peasant, go die for your tsar! +--- 57914790 +>>57912877 +this post REEKS of vatnik insecurity +--- 57914803 +>>57912952 +You are literally on a hobby website +--- 57914831 +>>57914589 +Jesus christ thats depressing +--- 57914870 +>>57911265 +Immediately thought of that too. +Russia is a complete cargo cult in all aspects lol +--- 57914875 +>>57913600 +After that ad Ukraine reorganized their VDV and removed all traces. +--- 57914901 +>>57914589 +>grandpa, you don't need to sell our old lada to afford food, I will go die for putin on ukraine like dad, and you will get a bag of potatos +grim +--- 57914904 +>>57912721 +>one of whom literally punched the old man to the ground as he was being excommunicated. +You leave out the best part where the pope dies from this, and there are zero consequences for anyone involved. Its like Canadas PM stabbing the US president to death at a conference, and every just scowles and the vice president takes over. +--- 57914926 +>>57912868 +The capacity needed isn't where near installed. And since environmentalists scared everyone off Nuclear, the cleanest, high outputting power you can get, a lot of Europe is still burning coal and cutting down forests for biofuel. +If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny, greens and 'environmentalists' have sold us all out just as much as anyone else, but they'll happily screech from moral high ground about it. +--- 57914939 +>Army removes best ad because the primary actor beat his wife +Method actor got too into his role +--- 57914943 +>>57914329 +>south Africa is demographic replacement +No, South Africa is the legacy of colonial adventurism, corporate mistakes, and evidence for why the British should have just fucking genocided the Boers. Just about every major issue can be boiled down to the fucking Boers in the end, from the diamond mining reliance to apartheid to terrible infrastructure and a capital where delivering water to an expanding population is pretty much impossible since it’s so far away from any sources. +--- 57914948 +>>57914589 +>>57914831 +It's not just depressing, it's INFURIATING. They're proudly declaring that the only way a Russian citizen can keep their family fed is signing over your body, conveniently ignoring the state corruption that made this prostitution necessary. Even if we didn't know the contracts aren't honoured anyway, that's irredeemably heinous and yet more evidence serfdom is alive in Russia. +--- 57914956 +>>57914901 +I genuinely wondered if they would be bold enough to show the old man volunteering himself. Those mobilisation requirements are getting very, very wide indeed. +--- 57914970 +It’s a fine ad. Average square-jaw, strong White Russian men from respectable walks of life joining the cool armed forces. Of course it’s not remotely real, the average RuAF recruit is a minority peasant from East Nowhere and White Russians have mostly left the country a long time ago. But as an ad it’s a nice traditional male-focused recruitment piece. +--- 57914979 +Wait ziggers have security in their supermarkets? +--- 57914983 +>>57914589 +>Russian soldier turns into a Lada + +Are they stealing scripts from the memes here? Do they know that's not supposed to be a positive thing? +--- 57914990 +>>57914926 +i hate green retards so much it is just unreal. +--- 57914991 +>>57914970 +>Average square-jaw, strong White Russian +Oxymoron +--- 57915015 +>>57914991 +you know how Americans ads always must have blacks in them, even though blacks probably have 0 to do what is being advertised? It’s like that, except in Russia it’s these pure-white square-jaw bodybuilders. +--- 57915038 +>>57914979 +Spanking paddle. +--- 57915043 +>>57912842 +I see the point this guy is trying to make, but GW was always a fucking rip-off so its a bad example +--- 57915078 +>>57913082 +>his country lost a trade war to us despite having 10 times our GDP and 40 times our population +I will never, ever stop laughing at this +--- 57915079 +>>57911219 (OP) +>join the army and you can work in the service industry +Oof +--- 57915086 +>>57912036 +I've heard this is kind of an urban legend. He knew about the wealth of America and their grocery stores, but he intentionally did it as a photo-op to show his commitment to reform to the Americans and sell the idea of capitalism to the Russian public. +--- 57915098 +>>57913131 +Why are there parts of the world where you can't flush toilet paper doesn't that shit break down in Water? +--- 57915108 +>>57911219 (OP) +guarding the produce section is a great honour +its every day hero like this that get no respect ! +--- 57915123 +>>57914904 +Oh, it gets even better! After Boniface died, Phillip forced the papal conclave trying to elect his successor to pick his own man Clement V, who subsequently moved the entire Papacy to Avignon because he didn't want to pack his bags for Rome. THEN Phillip pressured him to posthumously trial and investigate the former pope Boniface on the basis of bullshit accusations including the offence of sodomy (just like all of Phil's enemies, funnily enough). Clement drew the line at dragging his predecessor through the mud with heretical accusations (the outcry from practically every other European monarch didn't help), and persuaded Phillip to leave the issue to him alone while formally pardoning him for everything he said against Boniface. So to reiterate; not only did this asshole capture and humiliate a pope, he put his man in charge, dragged the Papacy onto home turf, tried to charge the corpse of faggotry, and got clean away with all of that. +--- 57915126 +>>57914623 +This but unironically +--- 57915128 +>>57915123 +You forgot that several cardinals declared Fredrick II the actual motherfucking Antichrist. +--- 57915130 +>>57914626 +>China abandoned that after they saw their losses in Korea. +Frankly I'll believe that when I see it and not before +A lot of people used to tell me the Russians had abandoned human waves as well +--- 57915134 +>>57911219 (OP) +>doesn't even do up their chin strap +The absolute state +--- 57915138 +>>57914990 +Smug cunts the lot of them. Bet they also scream and cry about carbon emissions, climate change and non green energy. I agree with them that its incredibly important, but they have completely shut down all chances to do anything (I.E build nuclear plants) for 40 years and now they say its too late to build nuclear since it won't be ready in time. +--- 57915140 +>>57912111 +>Tankies now claim that supermarkets like this were unheard of in 1980s America, and that this was a Potemkin grocery store staged for Yeltsin's visit. +--- 57915150 +>>57912602 +If I gave you a car and then your brother stole it. Does that mean I left your brother a car? +--- 57915153 +>>57912877 +I enjoy the projection because the russians are jealous of the ukrainians usually getting a proper burial. +--- 57915160 +>>57912126 +esti is besti +--- 57915188 +>>57912111 +he's desperately holding in the urge to travel back to moscow and tear lenin's corpse apart +--- 57915200 +>>57911285 +the bar itself weighs maybe 6 kg ? +its nice to lift a couple of times to get into form +but yea need at least 5 kg x2 to feel the bern +or 10 kg x2 for proper lyfts +>>57913558 +>tfw worthless cowardly neet, so I can't relate +--- 57915204 +>>57911228 +>Why is the west so soft +It's because we can AFFORD to be soft. We don't need to shout to the hills about how fucking tough we are, because actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words. +--- 57915208 +>>57915200 +Bar weighs as much as a plate (20kg) +And yes you do count the bar when liftan, so 1plaet is 60kg +--- 57915210 +>>57914623 +The irony is that this nigger is dumb as fuck and is dragging his demographic average down. +--- 57915211 +>>57912648 +>>57912656 +doesn't matter, mainstream media said america got badly defeated and humiliated and so that is the truth now +--- 57915213 +>>57915123 +If you want to go even deeper, the Avigon papcy was so utterly corrupt and had such opulence, a lot of people basically said, 'fuck this, these people are not gods representatives on earth' and went and formed their own breakaway sects, leading to the protestant reformation. +--- 57915226 +>>57914926 +Fucking watermelons should all be fed feet first into woodchippers and their pulverized remains used as fertilizer for that reason alone. +--- 57915227 +>>57915208 +wew the spring collar bar bells are pretty good, +if I ever I can Power Clean more than 28 kg ill have to get a better bar bell. +--- 57915234 +>>57914623 +Thr US is literally draining all the smart and talented people from across the globe +--- 57915240 +>>57915227 +>spring collar bar bells +? +--- 57915249 +>>57911219 (OP) +>russian solder +>not even mallcop +--- 57915251 +>>57911219 (OP) +Thought for a second that Russian soldier was going to loot that Ukranian supermarket. +--- 57915257 +>>57914970 +That's not the ad's message at all. +It's "you're wasting all your testosterone working a minimum-wage loser job when you can be a soldier." +The slogan at the end is "Don't you have any balls? Prove that you have balls" followed by a promise of high wages. +--- 57915271 +>>57914562 +Ecли cдeлaть жизнь пидopaх хyжe - пpивлeкaтeльнocть вoeннoй cлyжбы выpocтeт! Ha зaмeткy дeпyтaтaм гocдyмы. +--- 57915273 +>>57914329 +>The real problem is obviously demographic replacement. If you're wondering how that works out, just look at South Africa +What "demographic replacement " in South Africa? Whites were always the minority. The country literally has "Africa " in its name. +--- 57915281 +>>57915240 +Olympic Barbell, they are kind of expensive +I have a Cheep 1.5 meter 25 mm screw collar barbell +--- 57915299 +>>57913082 +i thought 4chan was banned in china? +--- 57915300 +>>57911979 +Thats how I imagine the Pwned.nl guy looks irl. Reeeee! +--- 57915326 +>>57913623 +He was just a congressman back then. +He became president as a result. +--- 57915330 +>>57911228 +>Pozzed west +Ok pidor +--- 57915331 +>>57913176 +Based. + +>>57912952 +dirty wagecuck peasant thinks throwing his life away to dicksuck is boss is admirable +--- 57915341 +>>57911219 (OP) +GOD I JUST LOVE THE IDEA OF DYING TO ARTILLERY I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WAS THERE, 2000 MILES AWAY FROM HOME, ALL SO MONKE CAN LARP AS PETER THE GREAT +who in the world would want to be in the army of a third-rate corrupt power that will pretend you deserted once you get capped in a wildly retarded attack in avdiivka so they don't have to pay out the $50 to your relatives? +I also love the "lole it's just a job like any other", what a scam diff --git a/k/57911412.txt b/k/57911412.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1a6da6c50190d498f73aa3dd459e020c2acc9fac --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911412.txt @@ -0,0 +1,522 @@ +----- +--- 57911412 +Do americans really let people prone to dementia due to age own firearms? I live on a third world shit hole but we don't let people over 70 yrs even drive without yearly sight and earing test +--- 57911449 +>>57911412 (OP) +Come and take you spring chicken. +--- 57911451 +>>57911412 (OP) +>I live on a third world shit hole +--- 57911463 +Do you know what a right is? +--- 57911464 +>>57911412 (OP) +>earing test +What is it with you nigger savages and your piercings. I guess a bone in your nose or ear lets us whites know its ok to take your resources. +--- 57911471 +>>57911412 (OP) +Old people have rights +Like it or not bad people being able to do evil things is the true price of freedom +--- 57911478 +>>57911463 +He knows his roght to be molested my colonizers and colored warlords. +--- 57911480 +Bro you can't even tell the difference between Dementia (Surly Joe Biden) and lazy eye. Why should I care what you think? +--- 57911484 +>>57911412 (OP) +>Let +Good luck disarming grandpa, bucko +--- 57911493 +>>57911463 +Have you heard of check and balances? Of consequences? You can't be this dense +--- 57911499 +>>57911412 (OP) +>third world shit hole +--- 57911512 +legally, someone with dementia isn't allowed to own a gun. +--- 57911519 +>>57911412 (OP) +>Do americans really let people prone to dementia due to age own firearms? +We let them control the entire nation, including the military and nuclear stockpile. +--- 57911533 +>>57911493 +The only check and balance I need is a gun in my hand. When I'm 120 I still want a gun in my hand (i am immortal and will never die). +--- 57911542 +>>57911471 +Just do some tests after people is 70, bro. Is basic common sense. But who am I kidding, americans are too far gone +--- 57911552 +>>57911512 +So do you agree with basic tests before allowing people access to firearms? +--- 57911555 +>>57911542 +Yeah, we're too far gone. A lost and broken society. + +How much does your peso knockoff stack up against the dollar btw? I bet I could buy your whole family for less than my dinner. +--- 57911562 +>>57911493 +That's a no, then. In the US rights are assumed to be inherent to the individual at birth. Why do foreigners insist on commenting on American politics when they don't even understand the base assumption that the whole republic is based on? + +>>57911542 +That's why you live in a shithole and poor people in the US live like kings compared to the average thirdie. +--- 57911570 +>>57911555 +goddamn that butthurt over how backwards the usa is + +it's nothing like civilised countries +--- 57911572 +>>57911552 +i think the mental illness question in america is never going to be solved because its such a nightmarish legal rabbit hole. +--- 57911575 +>>57911412 (OP) +>give some third party authority to determine who is and isn't "mentally ill" +>keep standard so loose that it includes things like "being at risk of dementia" +>give government the authority to deprive the "mentally ill" of their rights +Because this has never ended poorly ever before +--- 57911579 +>>57911570 +>civilized countries + +I read this as "protectorate of the united states". +--- 57911589 +>>57911555 +At least I can knock on any door on my neighborhood without getting shot, lardass +--- 57911595 +>>57911570 +You can't even use proper punctuation. If dropped into a true western country you'd be turned into a landscaper or just mistaken for homeless. You don't even know the meaning of the word "civil", you're just livestock in a mud hut. +--- 57911607 +>>57911552 +A person with dementia that has legally been found in court unable to manage their own affairs is (as far as I understand) adjudicated legally and would be entered into the NICS and would be unable to purchase a firearm from an FFL. + +I think. I could be misunderstanding the adjudication process by a long ways. +--- 57911609 +>>57911575 +Should blind people be allowed to operate firearms? +--- 57911612 +>>57911589 +sorry bud but the doorcam footage came out, that kid had a gun when he rang the door. +--- 57911629 +>>57911589 +So can anyone in the US. The real difference is home invaders can kick down your door without fear. + +>>57911609 +They should be, can, and do. At least in civilized countries. +--- 57911631 +>>57911595 +nigga you live in a house made of cardboard and live in fear of hordes of angry black men, and this is just normal day to day for you. Just a bigger brazil with more money +--- 57911632 +>>57911619 +>the trouble character +Lmao +--- 57911641 +>>57911612 +Wait really? +--- 57911646 +>>57911619 +Are home invasions that common in America? Why are you so afraid that someone will kick your door and take your stuff? What kind of shit country do you live in? +--- 57911651 +>>57911412 (OP) +Lol typical leftist narcissism, your whole side entirely lacks empathy you fucking hypocrites. The thought of ever putting yourself in someone else's shoes never even cross any of you motherfuckers minds. When you are 84 years old what if some over 6 foot tall prime of his youth stranger looks like he's reenacting a youtube break in on your door knowing you have a fuckton of no trespassing signs all over. +--- 57911660 +>>57911631 +I don't have anything to fear; I make good money, steer clear of ghettos that resemble your country, and generally live a boring life. I just enjoy hunting in my off time, target shooting and keep a fun little toy in my pocket. +--- 57911666 +>>57911612 +>>57911641 +Is this about the black kid who was “picking up his friends” and “knocked on the wrong door?” +--- 57911671 +>>57911660 +And which heaven on earth paradise do you live in, exactly? +--- 57911683 +>>57911629 +>>They should be +Do you really mean this? Do you realise how crazy that sounds? No wonder people can't even ask for directions in America without being shot in the face +--- 57911684 +>>57911493 +Clearing it up, not just rights but, the rights. The rights so important they form their own special section called the bill of rights. The second most important one. You wouldn't understand you euro trash. +--- 57911708 +>>57911519 +>Best comment in thread. +--- 57911712 +>>57911671 +The USA. Where do you reside, thirdy? +--- 57911714 +>>57911575 +Can you give an example? +--- 57911750 +I will not live in a country that does not have everyone armed. +--- 57911758 +>>57911609 +There is never a question of someone being blind. The quality of your eyesight can be proven demonstrably without any question as to whether you may have 20/40 vision or 20/20 vision for example. Blindness isn't amorphous, it isn't subject to hormonal changes, personal issues, or medication regimen. Likewise, you can't strip someone of their right to own a firearm for "being at risk of blindness", but your common sense proposal is to strip people of their rights because they are "at risk of mental illness". And even disregarding all of that, I don't believe the government should be allowed to strip away the right to a firearm from the blind. Just because they can't make perfect use of it, doesn't suddenly mean that their right to it is invalidated. +--- 57911783 +>>57911683 +1. Not enough fuckups from blind lads to drum up enough care +2. Thin end of the wedge to more onerous infringements on one of the people's preeminent rights +3. Somewhat tangential, but tests to gain permission to exercise your rights are like voter literacy tests of old: You can make a lot of nice noises to justify it, but it's gonna be used to fuck people out of their rights +--- 57911791 +>>57911641 +either that or its a kid who looks a lot like him +--- 57911793 +>>57911683 +I already told you what a right, as understood in US law, is you mong. Why is this so hard to understand? Yes, blind people have rights. People with cataracts have rights. Even retards have rights under the law in the US. +The right to keep and bear arms is not granted by the government. The constitution was written to protect rights from the government with the assumption that rights exist whether the government like it or not (protip:they don't like it). +Shocking, I know. +--- 57911823 +>>57911714 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry +While I'm not as paranoid of the US government as most of /k/, the government should not be handed the precedent of stripping away fundamental rights because a third party determined they were "at risk of mental illness". +--- 57911833 +>>57911793 +If the 2nd amendment included cars you retards would let blind people drive. What a clown country +--- 57911841 +>>57911833 +lick nuts nigger +--- 57911844 +>>57911791 +Shooting took place at 10pm, that's obviously not him. Unless it took that old fuck 4 hours to get to the door, which isn't impossible I suppose. +--- 57911854 +>>57911833 +Yup. And we would still be the most powerful and wealthy nation that mankind ever produced. Get on our level scrub. +--- 57911872 +>>57911412 (OP) +God, this story makes me sad. +--- 57911882 +>>57911791 +Lol this is hilarious, it has to be fake. +--- 57911934 +>>57911493 +>Checks and balances +Doesn't pertain to the rights of citizens. +>Of consequences +Only pertains to rights of citizens if an unlawful infraction is taken which would be unreasonable enough to be felonious. + +Dumb Yuropoor who never took any sort of civics or political theory class. +--- 57911980 +>>57911833 +Blind people can drive on private property and own vehicles. Being or going blind does not mean you forfeit your right to your own property. +A license is required to drive on public roads such as on a federal highway or state roads. +--- 57912004 +>>57911631 +>Everyone lives in a few cities or the deep south +I haven't seen a single black person in months lmao. +--- 57912011 +The shooting was completely justified, there is absolutely no reason to presume a person trying to get into your home after dark is unarmed or has innocent intentions. This is the rule if the intruder is a white and it's %1000000 more the rule if he is a black. +--- 57912025 +>>57912011 +Quick rundown of what happened? Be detailed and don't leave anything out. +--- 57912053 +>>57911412 (OP) +>the nigger didn't die +Disappointing. +--- 57912079 +>>57912025 +Nobody really knows. The only story that has been reported is the one being told by the guy who got shot and his family. They story they are telling is incomplete and front loaded with assumptions about the old man's motives. +--- 57912093 +>>57912025 +>10pm or so at night +>black kid rings doorbell to house +>85 yr old guy wakes up +>grabs .32 S&W 1888 revolver because who is ringing doorbells this late +>opens front door +>when front door opens, kid immediately tries to open locked storm door +>storm door rattling and black kid spook the old man +>shoot several times through storm door +>bullets bounce off kid because .32 (lol) +>kid in hospital for a few days +>chimp out ensues +>gofundme get to several million +>kid out of hospital, injuries were not life threatening +>old man charge with 2 felonies because niggers +--- 57912232 +>>57912093 +>>57912079 +Appreciated for the info, however sparse. +We'll see if more comes to light in the coming days, but I imagine this could easily turn into he said she said. +--- 57912306 +>>57912232 +Problem is the old man was already interviewed by the police on the night of the incident, most likely without an attorney present. Prosecutor made a statement already that he believes the shooting was racially motivated (before jury selection). My guess is the cops probably asked if the old guy was afraid because the kid was black and he said yes. It's high profile right now because Biden has gun legislation he wants passed. +--- 57912339 +>someone tries to force entry into old mans house +>old man uses force equalizer +>old man charged +The only crime here is that the actual criminal survived. +--- 57912344 +Yeah, there needs to be an age limit on gun ownership. Slava ukraini +--- 57912382 +>>57911552 +Honestly yes. But only if you agree that these checks should be evenly administered and should apply federally.. if passed they should allow an individual to possess and carry concealed or otherwise.. and that this is not to be superseded by requirements from individual state or local governments… +In b4 pushback from a bunch of yahoos who are worried they wouldn’t be able to pass a psych evaluation or show an understanding of how to safely own and store guns. If you don’t want to let the feds determine all that then just require that firearm ownership requires you to carry insurance…. Prove you have a safe to store guns in? Boom cheaper insurance… take a firearms safety course? Lowers your monthly insurance costs…. If the issue with firearm ownership is that a small select group of people are high risk cases then why not let the industry we built to predict and pay for risk figure it out…. We already do that for cars.. +--- 57912403 +>>57912382 +Nah fuck you everyone should be issued a gun at 12 and allowed to buy them like a loaf of bread from that point forward. +--- 57912407 +>>57912382 +Well then now you've just made a right be constrained by market forces +--- 57912425 +>>57912382 +>We already do that for cars +We do that for driver's licenses to operate on public roads. +None of that is required to own a car or operate it on your own property. +--- 57912442 +>>57911714 +lemme tell you about Ezra Pound +--- 57912454 +>>57912382 +you're fucking retarded +--- 57912469 +>>57912454 +>>57912425 +>>57912407 +>>57912403 + +The first potential psych evap fails seem to be speaking up lol. +--- 57912470 +>>57911552 +No because the majority of psychiatrists, psychologists and doctors overall lean left, so if we start to demand mental health checks to make someone legally qualified to own a gun, they'll simply rewrite the DSM to list conservatism as a mental condition. If the guy really had dementia, then his family should be legally held responsible since it was their duty to make sure he was looked after and cared for. +--- 57912490 +>>57912469 +you are putting a third party, practically a pseudo science, filled with the mentally ill (mentally ill people love to project) in charge of a God given right. + +What if there is a mental health review board for the Freedom of Speech? +--- 57912491 +>>57912469 +The thing is, you don't get the right to choose which rights we have. We have the right to own them and that's that. You do have the right to suck my balls, though. +--- 57912493 +>>57912469 +>kafka trap +Disingenuous argument. +--- 57912529 +>>57912454 +>>57912425 +>>57912407 +>>57912403 + +Let’s make it interesting. If you can pass the psych eval (from a doc who probably specifically advertises that they offer them, just like you see with medical pot cards) and purchase insurance (which keep in mind as soon as it’s a thing we’re gonna have pro gun groups start offering since it’s a business and anyone can start it) then you can get full auto fun shit in whatever caliber you like as long as you can afford it. No tax stamps, no atf registration bs, no state specific restrictions. +--- 57912536 +>>57912529 +Nah fuck off. We'll have that overreach repealed in the next century anyway. +--- 57912539 +>>57912529 +Nah. Bootlicker. +--- 57912540 +>>57912493 +Fallacy fallacy. How to intellectually say you have no good counter argument. +--- 57912541 +>>57912093 +I should’ve known this whole bullshit story was just another case of criminals being oppressed by the consequences of their own actions. +--- 57912547 +>>57912469 +>Person disagrees with me +>You're just crazy, lol +--- 57912552 +>>57912540 +It's only the fallacy fallacy if you provided another argument other than just a fallacy in place of one. +You haven't. +--- 57912563 +>>57912547 +It's a kafka trap. +https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrap +--- 57912569 +>>57912529 +>Yeah lets just add more government or some third party asshole into the mix of exercising your rights +Fuck off statist. +--- 57912572 +>>57912382 +What the fuck are you going on about? +--- 57912575 +>>57912490 +Freedom of speech is still not freedom from consequences anon. + +>>57912407 +The free market seems to be doing a good job of that on its own already. +--- 57912588 +>>57912382 +In an ideal World, gun control would begin and end with a free government sponsored gun safety course that ends with test that could be taken repeatedly if failed the first time. The issue is that this is not really how gun control advocates think. The moment the inevitably fails, gun control advocates will start screaming their heads off about "common sense" and how these test should be more rigorous or shouldn't be taken repeatedly. They will never be placated, and they will always attempt to use whatever laws and institutions they can against you. And the idea of mandatory gun insurance is an absolute mess, if you think that gun manufacturers engage in regulatory capture to prevent gun control, just wait until you see how much regulatory capture insurance companies engage in. +--- 57912594 +>>57912572 +The price of bread and the shocking lack of reading comprehension in the masses +--- 57912610 +>>57912529 +If perchance I already owned firearms, and I cannot afford insurance or a safe you are proposing that I forfeit my right to something that is mine because I cannot afford to purchase something from someone else. This does not happen with vehicles. If you cannot afford insurance you can't drive on public roads, but your car remains yours so long as it remains on private property. If you can't afford a garage to store your vehicle in, it's still yours. +You are suggesting confiscation of private property at the behest of the free market of a private corporation. +--- 57912614 +>>57912540 +>provide argument +>argument gets completely ignored and the response is instead to kafkatrap +>gets called out for this +>immediately tries to kafkatrap again +lmao, based Sandy Hook Promise false flag +--- 57912627 +>>57912575 +It's freedom to say almost anything I want without the government knocking on my door. It's something bugmen like you will never have or understand. +--- 57912630 +>>57911463 +Yes and no. + +As a third world guy, not OP of this thread +>Are we allowed to have firearm? +yeah, you can +>Are you dementia senile people allow to open carry? +Fuck no. +--- 57912667 +>>57912575 +>Freedom of speech is still not freedom from consequences anon. +Outside of extreme instances where speech abridges another's rights (usually literal threats, and even the specifics of this are still up for debate), it actually is, insofar as the state is concerned. +--- 57912669 +I bet some of this gun control talk comes from the bugmen trying to disarm us before they get down to business. Eurofags needs us to be able to shoot in case their country gets rolled by Russia. The smart ones aren't saying this cope. +--- 57912671 +>>57912575 +>Freedom of speech is still not freedom from consequences anon. +Which has nothing to do with what was presented. +He did not discuss the consequences of free speech and you are not either. +You do not have to prove that you are mentally fit and responsible enough to not threaten people or to use a call to action to exercise your right to free speech. More to the point: What is it you hope to achieve with this proposal of mandatory licensing, insurance and safe storage of firearms? +--- 57912713 +OP and his bugfarm bailed out to make another thread. +--- 57912746 +>>57911412 (OP) +1. He did nothing wrong. +2. Go bait /k/ or /pol/ +--- 57912758 +>>57912746 +Oh, wait. This is /k/. My bad. +--- 57912769 +>>57912758 +/his/ poster? +--- 57912772 +>>57911519 +>this is true +--- 57912802 +SHALL +--- 57912823 +>>57912575 +>freedom from consequences +Remember that when you get your liberal brains blown out. +--- 57912931 +>>57911562 +Foreigners have existed through time as various forms of peasants, serfs and slaves. Their concept of "rights" is framed as benefits and privileges bestowed upon them by benevolent rulers for being good subjects. +--- 57913068 +>>57912671 +>>57912588 +Just a vague reaction to the observation that regardless of what we do there are states making gun ownership as impossible as they can, and that this is going to lead to a generation of people with no experience with firearms who think they’re silly and aren’t worried about laws being passed against them. Putting the responsibility of enforcing safe gun ownership in the private sector while making the the actual legal requirements federal and not allowing states to impose their own restrictions ensures that if you can afford it and aren’t a nut job you’ll be able to own firearms.. yes the gun control nuts will attempt to game the system… don’t kid yourself into thinking the pro gun nuts don’t do the same damn thing. Insurance in general is pretty well set up to predict and cover risk.. and at the end of the day economics and market forces don’t care about ideological forces nearly as much as government does…. It’s easy to argue not one more step… but honestly to me it looks like a battle that’s slowly being lost regardless of how much we shout about it. +--- 57913216 +>>57912470 +>it was their duty to make sure he was looked after and cared for. +Based on what? Your parents aren't your legal responsibility just because they have alzheimer's unless you are specifically their caretaker. No, being related to them doesn't default to you being their caretaker. If you live in Alaska and they live in Iowa, you aren't legally on the hook just because Grandpa isnt paying to keep the lights on anymore because he keeps trying to vote for George McGovern on a daily basis. +--- 57913254 +>>57912669 +Tbf anon I really don't think there'd be that much shooting in a world war relative to the amount of destruction caused by missiles and bombs and torpedoes. death by gun may account for like 10% of casualties, 20% tops +--- 57913277 +>>57911463 +Boomers don't deserve rights. +--- 57913306 +Seems like a story every day where some rapidly-declining Fox News addled boomer shoots someone for literally no reason at all. Old people nowadays need to start re-testing their drivers licenses in most places finally, it's absolutely nuts to let them own guns (but then that applies to like 80 percent of people). +--- 57913335 +>>57913068 +>and at the end of the day economics and market forces don’t care about ideological forces nearly as much as government does +That's sort of the issue with the insurance scheme, regulatory capture and a system where gun ownership will be as expensive as can be. For example, if there was a shooting with an AR-15, the insurance company might attempt impose additional cost for ownership of a semi-automatic rifle. And since the regulatory body that governs this insurance system is incredibly friendly with the insurance company themselves (for the typical "revolving door" reasons), they start making it a universal requirement. So the insurance companies impose a price *just* high enough to squeeze the most money it can out of these gun owners, but of course many responsible gun owners can't pay that price and are left in the dust. Besides what cost is the insurance company actually covering in the first place that wouldn't already be covered by preexisting types of insurance? It is just imposing a mandatory fee on gun ownership with extra steps and extra room to be manipulated for personal profit. +> but honestly to me it looks like a battle that’s slowly being lost regardless of how much we shout about it. +Quit being a gay ass doomer, gun rights have been steadily expanding for a while. +--- 57913366 +>>57912669 +>bugmen trying to disarm us before they get down to business. + +its hilarious that you think the chinese could actually invade america. +--- 57913398 +>>57913306 +Read the actual story. If you answer your door at 10pm and somebody you don’t recognize tries to get at you through the locked stormdoor, and you’re fucking old you’d make the same mistake +--- 57913423 +>>57912093 +>>>10pm or so at night +>>black kid rings doorbell to house +>>85 yr old guy wakes up +>>grabs .32 S&W 1888 revolver because who is ringing doorbells this late +>>opens front door +>>when front door opens, kid immediately tries to open locked storm door +>>storm door rattling and black kid spook the old man +>>shoot several times through storm door +>>bullets bounce off kid because .32 (lol) +>>kid in hospital for a few days +>>chimp out ensues +>>gofundme get to several million +>>kid out of hospital, injuries were not life threatening +>>old man charge with 2 felonies because niggers +--- 57913577 +>>57913306 +>David Duke Sr. tries to go to sleep after finishing up the latest Tucker Carlson segment +>young black future scientist and musician knocks on his door in the hopes that he can finish his girl scout cookie selling quota tonight +>"by Hitler who is it know" he tries to mumble to himself, but it comes out as gibberish because he doesn't have his dentures in +>as the door opens, the young black king tries to close it again, but his hoodie gets caught on something +>it is the Niggercatcher 5000 that the literal reincarnation of Robert E Lee installed on his door yesterday +>"I SMELL A NIGGER" the terrifying voice booms across the neighborhood as David Duke Sr. finally puts his dentures in +>he grabs his AR-47 with extended clips and runs down stairs faster than he ever has before +>"DIE NIGGER" he screams while furiously heiling Hitler and unloading into the young black scholar +>As the young black youth lays bleeding out on the grass, an angel comes down from heaven +>"t-trayvon is- is that you?" +>"Now is not your time, taste the rainbow!" +>Miraculously skittles and arizona ice tea rain from the sky as his wounds heal and the racial divide in America comes to an end +--- 57913624 +Criminals should be afraid of citizens not the other way around. +--- 57913727 +he wuz a good boy n shiet +https://files.catbox.moe/5forvq.mp4 +--- 57913752 +>>57911833 +Yes that's the point of a right you dumb eurofag. You don't just lose a right because of a disability. +--- 57913782 +>>57912610 +The dude is a eurofag. He has no real concept of "private property". +--- 57913796 +the only thing he did wrong was use a .32 +--- 57913803 +>>57911519 +>not even slightly satirical +--- 57913842 +>>57911493 +The right to self defense, and therefore the right to access necessary tools for the purposes of self-defense, are human rights granted by God or Virtue (take your pick). +These are not some kind of flimsy "rights" granted by any state or piece of paper. Like several other human rights included in the first amendments of the US Constitution, its inclusion is simply an acknowledgement of extant reality, not the creation of a new right. +--- 57913967 +>>57913727 +>>57911612 +>https://files.catbox.moe/5forvq.mp4 +Not the same person whatsoever. Why lie? Surely if this were a video of Yarl, people would say something to the effect of "weapons of war on our streets" rather than the analysis of the situation we've gotten so far. You wouldn't want to create fake videos that obfuscate our understanding and only bolster the positions of gun control advocates...right anon? Or maybe you are some kind of, dare I say, tourist? From a certain board? +>>57911666 +>5.7, 911, 666 wtf +And yes. Supposedly looking for his siblings I believe. He has a good alibi too as his siblings were located at something like 731 Hill Street and this incident happened at something like 731 Hill Avenue. I don't remember the exact names but the number and name were the same, just different road types (street, ave, blvd, terrace). This whole website argued on and on about Trayvon Martin and whether it was reasonable to think he was "casing" Zimmerman's neighborhood, but this is much clearer. Was this young man acting unsafely? Of course. Criminally? Not intentionally. This case will be a question about whether or not the old fella was mentally sound and whether or not he had justifiable reason to fear for his life or property. I don't think either party here is criminal and trying to use racialism and straight up lies (see above) to pick a side will only make the optics that much worse in our beloved gun community. +>>57911980 +More gun owners need to be aware of this. Liberal grabbers spout all day long about guns vs cars and somehow very few of us know the particulars about why they are wrong. Aren't we supposed to be the guys with Ram 1500s and Rangers and Mustangs and lifted Ford Duallys? We should probably know this stuff. +--- 57914016 +>>57913967 +>More gun owners need to be aware of this. Liberal grabbers spout all day long about guns vs cars and somehow very few of us know the particulars about why they are wrong. Aren't we supposed to be the guys with Ram 1500s and Rangers and Mustangs and lifted Ford Duallys? We should probably know this stuff. +One of the most important things to remember about the bill of rights is the 9th. The 9th was a compromise to try and safeguard against people misconstruing enumerated rights as being exclusively the only rights protected. +"So let's make an amendment that specifically states that just because we haven't thought of it or didn't list it does not mean it's not a right. Surely, there would be no one stupid enough in the future to miss that!" +--- 57914175 +>>57913423 +>not deleting the extra ">" +You're a nigger. +--- 57914197 +>>57913967 +is Black Noir based or nay? +--- 57914238 +>>57911463 +Rights are not for everyone you know. When Founding Fathers wrote constitution they didn't include there women ore negroes it was natural +--- 57914264 +>>57914238 +>>57914238 +in the 60's they could cook, keep house, raise children, and be good wives. + +now they can't do any of those things. seems they're not so good at multitasking after all. +--- 57914292 +>>57911412 (OP) +Well, yeah, so they can defend themselves. What do you want them to do, learn tai chi? +--- 57914303 +>>57911750 +Sister's cunt! +--- 57914305 +>>57914264 +Derrick looks like an actual human now that Avril isn’t vampiring his vitality +--- 57914497 +>>57914016 +Hard to remember the 9th in a post-Patriot Act world, but the 9th gave us Griswold which gave us Plan B and those Trojans with the icy hot stuff on them. Hopefully the Court will be more receptive to its intention in our lifetime than just letting us have rubbers. +>>57914197 +Quite based, though he is a lawyer and a little too concerned with culture war topics for my taste. He is a good hearted, funny dude who can talk across political and social divides. Colion Noir is a dude who isn't lambasted immediately on mass media TV like Bill Maher not just because he doesn't look like the stereotypical "gun owner", he doesn't act like one either. If he looked the same as he does but acted like many of the people on /k/ these days, none of us would know who he is. He's done quite a bit to ease would-be Black liberals into pro-2A sentiment, something which has been in decline since the late 60's through the Reagan years when many conservatives and liberals alike saw fit to completely disarm Black Americans. Other people who have promoted 2A in the black community often include "conscious" rappers like Killer Mike and Ice Cube. Black gun ownership increased by around 60% between 2019 and 2020, and as much as people on this board like to look at pictures of NFAC and laugh at people open carrying .22lr, these people increasingly share the same sentiments as many of us, and despite all the mudslinging, crime rates in this country (by any demographic) have only ever trended downwards over the years. inb4 someone starts crying about amygdalae and bone density or whatever. + +As far as a shooter he's not my favorite. He seems to be mainly a handgun dude, or at least that's what he cares about in the face of ever increasing CC permit holders in this country. He loves Glocks and most anything with polymer which isn't necessarily my thing but he's a good shot. Still would love nothing more than a range day with the guy. diff --git a/k/57911510.txt b/k/57911510.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..770e24d5fef1997b2c865b5055bd195b3560dff5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911510.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 57911510 +what's the best weapon to snipe skinwalkers from a long distance? +--- 57911530 +Meds now. +--- 57911532 +None, engage em up front and fuck them silly. +--- 57911577 +>>57911510 (OP) +I just rape em +--- 57911584 +>>57911532 +>>57911577 +The only right answers. +--- 57911675 +>>57911510 (OP) +skinwalkers cant be shot long range. there is a reason shotguns with 00buck are generally considered the go to weapon for skinwalkers and even then there have been no confirmed kills. it just makes them fuck off +--- 57911699 +Giraffes are the worst kind of skinwalker I agree OP +Kill them all diff --git a/k/57911617.txt b/k/57911617.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..22a3f10292fb7659ac005ffe1b1d3d997e0835b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911617.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 57911617 +is there any good book about the su-25? +--- 57911771 +>>57911617 (OP) +--- 57914461 +>>>/pol/ +--- 57915012 +>>57911617 (OP) +https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/61b/DCS%20World%20Su-25T%20Flight%20Manual%20EN.pdf +--- 57915030 +>>57911771 +Fpbp + +Otherwise depends on what you’re looking for, like about the design process or what? diff --git a/k/57911742.txt b/k/57911742.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..19b99303bc72a26c29a0ddca789478be628e913f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911742.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 57911742 +If I want to git gud at shooting can I just use a .22? + +My "main" is a 5.56 with a red dot but im too poor to shoot it, I also have a 9mm compact which im too poor to shoot + +I have a 10/22 that I got recently and have only taken out once but I have a 4x12 scope on it. Is there a way to make the "carryover" more realistic? + +I've heard guys say "just train pistol it will make you better with rifle too" Is this true? Should I get a .22 pistol and just a billion rounds? My dad only has a Mark IV and a Marlin with a scope until a few years ago and he outshoots me when he uses my 9s and AR. Hows that work? +--- 57911770 +>>57911742 (OP) +A 22 will help you with the fundamentals of shooting - trigger press, sight alignment and sight picture stance, NPOA. Think of it like dry fire with instant feedback. +Look at the Appleseed shooting classes, where you can learn all the basics of marksmanship with a 22, which carry over to centerfire rifles. +--- 57911785 +>>57911742 (OP) +All shooting is based. Shoot more and do gooder. +--- 57911837 +>>57911770 +>Think of it like dry fire +ok thank u +>bonus round +How do I get gud at dry firing? I dont know if i'm doing it right and i'm too lazy to rack the slide every time +--- 57911839 +If you can shoot your 22 good you can probably shoot other guns well. If you can't shoot your 22 good, you probably can't shoot anything good +--- 57911851 +>>57911742 (OP) +yes, thats why we have .22lr variants of basically every major weapon platform. if you get a decent .22lr semi auto *anything*, you will improve your fundamentals. fundamentals are what really matters: you can't be a good shooter if all you have is a quick reload on one kind of gun. there are lots of people who just practice their reloads and shit, then spray rounds in a general direction. get a .22, practice slow firing for accuracy, learn the trigger, dont worry about anything else. the .22 is to learn how to shoot in general and to take small game. + +so yeah +--- 57911875 +>>57911742 (OP) +>Is there a way to make the "carryover" more realistic? +--- 57911932 +>>57911875 +I was gonna get one of those but i heard they fuck up ur gas tube or something +--- 57911975 +I pretty much never shoot rifles because it's too hard to find places where I can set up targets at more than 50 yards. I have a bolt action 270 that I shoot once a year, and every single time I'm able to easily make 1" groups at 100 yards. Clearly pistol shooting is keeping me in shape. There is something to that. +--- 57912418 +>>57911742 (OP) +>Is there a way to make the "carryover" more realistic? +Realize that CQB bullshit with a rifle is a meme and a waste of ammo. With that out of the way, the difference in recoil stops mattering and you're simply applying the fundamentals of marksmanship on different rifles with different ergos and sighting systems. +--- 57912520 +>>57911932 +No just shoot a centerfire every few hundred rounds. Never had a real issue with reliability after dumping tons of ammo. Worst case scenario just replace your gas tube shits like $12 and 5 minutes of work. +--- 57912922 +>>57911837 +Make sure the gun is unloaded, double check it’s unloaded. Aim at a light switch or piece of tape on the wall or some shit, focus on squeezing the trigger without disturbing the sights. +--- 57912948 +>>57911742 (OP) +>My "main" is a 5.56 with a red dot but im too poor to shoot it +so you wanna buy another gun that shoots an entirely different round? i get that .22lr is cheap but the money you put into a new gun could be a 1000 round case of ammo that would last you several range sessions. diff --git a/k/57911767.txt b/k/57911767.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3a35d5e6054e4871892d2a8aec473826bad598ee --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911767.txt @@ -0,0 +1,336 @@ +----- +--- 57911767 +The Ethiopian army attacked southern Sudan +While the Egyptian airforce started striking northern Sudan with unknown aircrafts +--- 57911794 +>>57911767 (OP) +--- 57911806 +>>57911794 +--- 57911815 +>>57911806 +--- 57911827 +>>57911815 +--- 57912395 +Still waiting for Egypt to blow up that new dam +--- 57912410 +>>57911767 (OP) +>everyone said the US leaving the middle east would bring stability +--- 57912426 +>>57911806 +Wait, Ethiopia if fighting the Sudan Army and +>>57911815 +Egypt is fighting their RSF? + +Is this a typo thing and Ethiopia is fighting the RSF? And they both just dismantling both sides of the civil war? Or are they taking opposite sides? +--- 57912434 +>>57912410 +>Most geographically knowledgeable American +--- 57912458 +>>57912434 +They're all muslims. +--- 57912478 +>>57912458 +--- 57912494 +>>57912478 +Not him, but who are the christians in this case. I know Sudan is split into two factions right now +--- 57912503 +>>57912494 +Ethiopians are majority Christian with a significant Muslim minority. +--- 57912517 +Mildly surprised Eritrea hasn't tried to get involved +--- 57912543 +>>57912494 +Most of South Sudanese are non-Muslims IIRC. +--- 57912581 +>>57912517 +Probably waiting to see if Ethiopia fucks up somehow. +--- 57912603 +>>57911767 (OP) +Partition soon? Ethiopia vs Egypt has to happen eventually +--- 57912628 +>>57912426 +My understanding is that Egypt supports the government of Sudan, Libya supports the RSF, and Ethiopia supports fucking over Egypt +--- 57912647 +>>57911794 +Thats an economist map. I really should subscribe again. +--- 57912820 +>>57912603 +Sudan is a shithole filled to the brim with Islamic radicals tho, so let Egypt have them. +--- 57912831 +>>57912628 +>Libya supports the RSF +How the hell is Libya even in any condition of fomenting proxy wars in other countries? +--- 57912849 +>>57912831 +They aren't but has that ever stopped anyone in Africa from sticking their dick in a war? See: The entire Congo war, the Toyota Wars, etc +--- 57912865 +What did Sudan do to piss off two different countries? +Also are those jets actually being flown by...African blacks or they are using mercenaries. +--- 57912904 +>>57912865 +Egypt is Arabs with a decent airforce tradition. They even have Rafaels. Probably not a match for Israel or whatever but more than competent for bombing rebels. +--- 57912930 +>>57912904 +>egypt +>decent air force tradition +didnt these retards got demolished by israel with phantoms during the 6 day war +--- 57912966 +>>57912930 +>didnt these retards got demolished by israel with phantoms during the 6 day war +It was a preemptive attack, moshe. Calm down +--- 57912980 +>>57912603 +>Tigrayans finally bloody Ethiopian commies enough they agree to not commit genocide (pinky swear) +>Tensions start to simmer down, only conflict with Eritreans who won't fuck off back home but way fewer massacres & protestors are being shot +>Less than six months later: potentially turned into the destination for a battle royale between Eritrea, Sudanese rebels, Egypt, and Amhara terrorists, & Ethiopian state forces, all at once +Imagine +--- 57913009 +>>57912865 +>What did Sudan do to piss off two different countries? +There is obviously long time enmities in the area that predate the written word, but lately Sudan has been pissing off Egypt by building a dam on Nile, which is kinda fucking important river for egyptians. +Whereas Sudan-Ethiopia is just your usual borderniggery over who owns the mudhud that before both sides bombing it hell had half farmlands. + +>Also are those jets actually being flown by...African blacks +Egyptians are sand niggers, not blacks. +--- 57913027 +>>57913009 +>but lately Sudan has been pissing off Egypt by building a dam on Nile +Retard alert +--- 57913072 +>>57913027 +Yeah, I didn't bother to check who was building it, just remembered dam on nile. + +Anyway, dunno then. Probably just some stupid shit then. +--- 57913122 +>>57912930 +Yeah but so did the Soviet instructors +https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20 +I'm not saying the EAF is all aces or whatever but they seem to be basically competent at least on the level of flying their planes consistently, which is more than a lot of African countries can say +--- 57913179 +>>57912395 +That would be glorious. +>>57912517 +They will fuck off and only do anything in their own terms like a good little totalitarian nightmare state. +>>57912930 +That’s pretty good for an Arab Air Force lol. +>>57912831 +That whole region is a mess. So many unlikely alliances and Allie’s, just look at who supports who during the Libyan wars and elsewhere in that part of Africa. +--- 57913194 +>>57912543 +>Most of South Sudanese are non-Muslims IIRC. +Most of South Sudanese are Christians. +--- 57913222 +>>57913194 +>>57912543 +>>57912494 +Why do you even care about who is christian or not in some country thousands of miles away from you? worry more about the dwindling and declining number of christians in your country and start to remove some of the pride flags on the churches' walls. +Christianity is really starting to feel more like an MMO guild than a religion. +--- 57913271 +>>57913222 +Are you retarded or just willfully ignorant? The African nations that are majority muslim are usually more Middle-East and Saudi Arabia adjacent. While the majority christian nations are more Western adjacent. The christians also don't have rampant jihadism throughout their populations. + +/k/ has always had threads about warfare and analyzing the factions engaged to find their allegiances and motivations. Go back to whatever cesspool you spawned from. +--- 57913285 +>>57913222 +> MMO guild +Congrats you just described Islam. +--- 57913322 +>>57912930 +Yes/No. The did better in the Yom Kippur war, but complained that the Soviet aircraft were shit (they were) so the Soviets sent their own fighter pilots against the Jews and got demolished. After that they bought western equipment. They're not good, but they're probably better than most. +--- 57913336 +>>57913271 +Do you really want christian countries to be western adjacent after you have seen what the west exports with complete degerency? if you actually care about christians at all you would want them to stay as much back as possible from the west lmao. +Also any of these countries have both religions if you were smart enough, you would want them to be stable and not have one triumph the other. +>>57913285 +You literally only care about numbers. Christianity is so divided that there are 45000 denominations of it, each of which consider the other heretic. Some of which don't even consider Jesus to be god or believe in the trinity. At this point, I don't even know what christianity is or what it stands for +--- 57913369 +>>57913336 +Show us on the doll where the pastor touched you. +--- 57913432 +>>57913369 +No +--- 57913467 +>>57911767 (OP) + +how deep is democratic party candidate in it already? +--- 57913524 +>>57913336 +Of course they have diverging theologies, the fucking Church and the doctrine of the trinity were not established until about 100-300 Ad. There have always been Christianities not a singular Christianity. Muslims religious spats by contrast are less about theology and more about the various post-Mohammed succession crisis. Though of course there are some theological differences, but these are extrascriptorial in general. +--- 57913568 +>>57913336 +>Do you really want christian countries +--- 57913573 +>>57913467 +Take your meds +--- 57913601 +>>57913467 +Very +--- 57913860 +>Sudanese war on niggers going global +Real gamer hours bois +--- 57913886 +>>57912426 +Anyone have the long greentext about why Uganda loves paratroopers (nearly had a pan-African war)? +--- 57914007 +Spent a lot of time researching the military history of Sudan the other day. Not a lot of foreign conflicts; they fought in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and the Yemeni civil war (which is part of what led to this conflict), but those are the only major ones. + +Some smaller conflicts of note, though. Here are the notes I've taken looking into conflict with Libya during the Chadian-Libyan War. +--- 57914027 +>>57914007 +Here are my notes on their role in the '48 war, too. +Israel has also launched airstrikes on them in 2009, 2011, and 2012, but those were targeting weapons (or human, depending on who you ask) traffickers. +--- 57914037 +I know more about Ethiopia than my redneck ass should. I trust the Tigrayans and Ahmari. Both of those tribes are based as fuck. Oromos and everyone else suck. +--- 57914063 +>>57914007 +By the way, in case it wasn't apparent, the "old Italian propeller-driven planes" mentioned in the Los Angeles Times are SF.260s, same as the one shot down. +Tu-22s and SF.260s were Libya's go-to ground attack aircraft for the war in Chad in general. +--- 57914131 +>>57914027 +This is the only photo I've been able to find of a Sudanese soldier during the 1948 war. +https://blog.nli.org.il/en/hoi_israel_egypt/ +Apparently he single handedly held off the advance of the Moriah Battalion using a Bren during Operation Yekev. +--- 57914179 +Can anyone give some insight as to why they thought it'd be a good idea to rile up the biggest military force they could find in the area? As far as I can tell, egypt couldn't give less of a fuck about the whole situation until they started directly fucking with them. +--- 57914228 +>>57914179 +>>57911767 (OP) +>>57914037 +>>57914007 +>>57912904 +>>57912603 +>>57912395 +They have already returned +https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1648765033218727958 +https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1648846251503263744 +https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1648845467487293445 +--- 57914279 +>>57914007 +>>57914027 +I'm interested in seeing more of your personal notes on random african conflicts anon +--- 57914296 +>>57914279 +I only started taking organized notes like these recently. My older notes are practically incomprehensible to anyone but me. +--- 57914326 +>>57911767 (OP) +>we may get a third Great African War out of this +--- 57914365 +>>57914279 +>>57914296 +Bah, fuck it, here are a couple that aren't too bad. +Yemen isn't exactly Africa, but as mentioned Sudan fought there, so I'm including it. +--- 57914373 +>>57914296 +>>57914365 +--- 57914437 +>>57911767 (OP) +We have a White war in EE. Nobody cares about a 3rd world sandwar. +--- 57914444 +>>57914373 +Cool, anon +--- 57914452 +>>57913222 +>join a religion explicitly based around tolerance and acceptance +>get upset when it tolerates and accepts people +Why are you like this? +--- 57914506 +>>57914437 +This is way more exciting than the war of bakhmut and the battle of bandera boulevard +--- 57914526 +>>57914452 +Tolerance and acceptance? the reason these people are asking about who is a christian on a board about guns is because they want their countries to send them weapons and money. They won't be advocating for peace or stability. +In reality they don't care about the religion itself but the numbers of it and how good they look to the rest of the world. +--- 57914584 +>>57914506 +Just wait until Egypt blows up that dam. Then we will see a massive land war in NE Africa. +--- 57914600 +>>57914584 +Why do you people always want a massive war to happen? is your life that miserable that you want others to suffer? +--- 57914646 +>>57911767 (OP) +>can't use a and an properly +>that retarded random capitalization of words +how likely it's a curry nigger? +--- 57914653 +>>57914600 +2nd congo war was kino and we need to complete the African world war trilogy +--- 57914654 +>>57914584 +>Blow up dam +>There's enough water held back that the wash from it is sufficient to destroy the Aswan dam +>Egypt loses 90% of it's population to the ensuing flood +Would be kino ngl +--- 57914657 +>>57914653 +>>57914654 +>yes bro others have to suffer and die in order for me to live +--- 57914669 +>>57914654 +I bet you're jewish +--- 57914671 +>>57914600 +>You people +What do you mean...YOU PEOPLE +--- 57914683 +>>57914671 +The monkes that always want other countries to be at war but not their country +--- 57914698 +>>57914657 +If I was saying that we need to invade mexico and sack veracruz would it be better because I'd be involved and thus at risk? What's the difference here +--- 57914704 +>>57914683 +That was a Tropic Thunder joke, anon. Yes you are right though +--- 57914715 +>>57914698 +Yea it would be better if you, your family and economy were directly involved in said war +--- 57914718 +>Somalia and Somaliland going at it +>Sudan getting fucked from every possible angle +Interesting times in north africa +--- 57914740 +>>57914718 +It's American MIC trying to coup lawful governments that happen to be friendly with Russia and install their own regimes. +--- 57914752 +>>57911767 (OP) +You know all these African tier wars are absolute shite. Local skirmishes and some booms here and there, with just a handful of casualties and no 4k /k/ino. War is a white man's game and that's pretty apparent in Ukraine. +--- 57914759 +>>57914740 +Eritrea and Mali aren't involved yet. +Egypt and Somalia voted against Russia in the GA. +--- 57914762 +>>57914752 +You better capitalize that White, bro +--- 57914767 +>>57914740 +Sudan is literally 2 russian backed factions fighting over the cut of the goldmines. +Russians put in the current goverment. +Russians trained RSF to help then run the gold mines +Current goverment suddenly demanded a higher cut of the gold mines. +Wagner told the RSF if they coup the goverment they will get the orginial cut for themselves instead. +--- 57914768 +>>57914759 +Mali isn't that surprising since it's on the opposite side of the country, Eritrea is somewhat surprising though +--- 57914778 +>>57912865 +retarded american thinks egyptians are actually black. american propaganda for you right there. +--- 57914796 +>>57914768 +How much do you know about Eritrea? +--- 57914818 +>>57911794 +>Ethiopian Army +Looking at the marked region, that has to be the Tigray rebels Ethiopia is currently fighting rather then Ethiopia's actual army, right? +--- 57914862 +>>57914767 +>muh Russia +It really is getting pathetic +--- 57914873 +>>57914778 +Bro the average lardass here doesn't even know their state capitol. Do you really think blobs know where Egypt is? This is a country that made Cleopatra black - most people actually believe she was because netflix showed them. +--- 57915168 +>>57912865 +Egyptians are a mix of white/brown, with a minority of blacks in their south. You'd find more blacks in the US than in Egypt +--- 57915206 +>>57911767 (OP) +>>57911806 +Why is Ethiopia trying to interfere in every single conflict around them? And usually in the most opportunistic, incompetent way possible? diff --git a/k/57911904.txt b/k/57911904.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c9f56ee2aa30215ac7144b80c6af4443d1dcb5b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911904.txt @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +----- +--- 57911904 +Hate to make a /pol/-tier thread, but as far as European vs. Asiatic achievements in the realm of firearms, which do you think is objectively better - occidental or oriental? + +(Picrel) left pic is Greek fire and right pic is a Chinese gunpowder rocket (they usually affixed them to a spear tip). +--- 57911926 +>>57911904 (OP) +Always the west. +--- 57911947 +>>57911904 (OP) +Wasn't Greek fire an incendiary weapon mounted to ships as opposed to a propellant? +--- 57911954 +>>57911904 (OP) +Its kind of hard to look past that time all the western powers decided to invade china over opium and only like one in 5 chinese soldiers had a firearm +--- 57912009 +>>57911954 +China when it fought with the west had pissed away all of it's historical strengths. In various periods they had admirable archers, or common firearms, or very powerful crossbows (I'm not talking about the repeater meme). They threw it all in the garbage. +--- 57912044 +>>57911904 (OP) +European and its not even a question +Especially that its humiliating for asian/mongoloids because they were the first to have it +--- 57912050 +>>57911904 (OP) +That depends on the period. Unlike Africa, European and Asian civilizations have been capable of creating great technologies. Some eras were better than others for either "side". To go "which is better" in a yes/no question spanning thousands of years and countless numbers of countries/dynasties/etc is silly. +--- 57912083 +>>57912009 +Seconding the crossbows, they were legitimately pretty potent (and cool) and it's a shame that the've been so heavily sidelined in favor of "wow machine gun bow :O" +--- 57912127 +>>57912083 +What about the Roman ballista? +--- 57912263 +>>57911904 (OP) +No idea how historically accurate this image is but I always thought it was funny +--- 57912377 +>>57911904 (OP) +China accidentally discovered (not invented) gunpowder and then proceeded to waste it for centuries. +Europeans got it and improved its usage tenfold in a few years. +--- 57912451 +>>57912127 +The large Chinese crossbow is impressive because of it's length of draw, and the wide span of it's bow arms. While still being operated by a single man and supposedly faster to draw than a winch operated crossbow, it was at least as powerful as any longbow or arbalest. Through the use of this weapon China was able to not only magnify the wounding potential of infantry, but also to challenge cavalry archers that had historically dominated the battlefield. + +The scorpion, while I really like it, was under-utilized due to its bulk, ultimately. +--- 57912477 +>>57912263 +They started out using gunpowder for bullshit, used it effectively for a while, then basically threw away their progress and went back to using it for bullshit. +--- 57912497 +>>57911904 (OP) +the chinese didn't invent gunpowder +the mongols did maybe + +look it up yourself and you'll see piss all historical information, just alot of modern stuff pointing to china +--- 57912644 +>>57912377 +You forgot to mention that Chinese/Korean/Japanese black powder weapons were all matchlock. The white man added a trigger to it. +--- 57913865 +>>57911926 +fpbp +--- 57913923 +You're comparing two unlike things. Greek Fire was used out of a mounted "turret." Chink Death Firecrackers were anti-infantry and could be deployed almost like modern mortars. And the "anti infantry" aspect was more psychological, if not equal to the ability to kill stuff. + +I don't know. I think Greeks and Byzantines, overall, had way better weapons and armor, as well as better naval capabilities...at certain periods, that is. diff --git a/k/57911915.txt b/k/57911915.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..baec97a76dc6a6656ab7cf0fb9fa693a4b89de11 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57911915.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 57911915 +Whats the projected value of one of these? +I did see one sold for $13,000+ about 8 months ago but with a fixed stock not foldable. +What can I expect here? Only 180 every imported btw +--- 57912067 +>>57911915 (OP) +>purchasing guns as an investment +You could honestly buy an equal amount of milk and it'd have a much greater ROI +--- 57912108 +>>57911915 (OP) +let the impulsive thoughts win anon +--- 57912133 +>>57912067 +I want to say no but you could make cheese or something and there's also that illegal milk rink that was busted in Florida for like $1,000,000. +--- 57912586 +>>57911915 (OP) +>Keystone Arms +Yeah that's gonna go for about 300% more than it's worth because of the red background. diff --git a/k/57912134.txt b/k/57912134.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e16d25e9a46762cb6c67b9b9bda17e99937e542e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912134.txt @@ -0,0 +1,610 @@ +----- +--- 57912134 +>https://files.catbox.moe/ky2gnv.mp4 +Russian propaganda channels just uploaded this audio. I'm eurofag ESL, can you americans help me to identify the american accents? New yorkers? texans? +--- 57912148 +This can't be fucking real. +--- 57912152 +>>57912134 (OP) +Sounds like normal Floridians to me. +--- 57912161 +>>57912148 +That's just what yankees sound like, anon. +--- 57912171 +does it mean that russia will finally stop losing? +--- 57912172 +>>57912152 +Richie from Florida Oblast, can confirm +--- 57912174 +>>57912148 +It is of real + +They're name is John Bayou from the People's Republic of Louisiana. Notorious mercenaries who lynch 500 black people during Hurricane Katrina. +--- 57912176 +Transatlantic accent +--- 57912181 +>>57912134 (OP) +>Intercepted conversation +Instantly disregarded, no matter from which side it comes +--- 57912183 +>>57912134 (OP) +Joey Montana from Wyoming oblast here. This definitely Americans. +--- 57912185 +>>57912134 (OP) +It's an accent found in parts of Alaska west of the Bering Strait. +--- 57912188 +it's not winning an oscar, sorry laddy +--- 57912191 +>>57912134 (OP) +Bob Bobovsky from Nevada Oblast here. Can confirm, it's real. +--- 57912196 +>>57912185 +aha, so it is western, berry interesting comrade fellow American +--- 57912199 +>>57912174 +I fucking love Oblast posting. +--- 57912200 +>>57912134 (OP) +Sounds like it’s from the Autonomous Oblast of Puerto Rico. +--- 57912202 +>>57912196 +Well, depends on whether you consider the International Date Line or not. It's either a little to the west or very, VERY far east. +--- 57912204 +>>57912134 (OP) +I am Dakota Bison from the Autonomous Republic of the Dakota Teritory and this sounds like my family and neighbors. +--- 57912207 +>>57912134 (OP) +But for real what the fuck are they saying? I can only make out like 1/2 of it +--- 57912211 +>>57912134 (OP) +They're not both American, one of them is Boris Johnson +--- 57912222 +>>57912134 (OP) +IS THAT YOU, BROTHER? +--- 57912225 +>>57912134 (OP) +These are native Ohio Oblastians. It is very obvious accent many Americans have heared. +--- 57912229 +>>57912148 +This is domestic propaganda you are not supposed to listen to this. The average russian only knows a couple of english words and they think americans talk like in the cheap movies from the 80s. This is 100% real for them and have no tools or knowledge to discard it. +--- 57912239 +>>57912152 +Yeah, from fucking St. Petersburg. +--- 57912241 +>>57912134 (OP) +Was this actually posted on russian propaganda channels or is it some lind of joke or NPC conversation? +--- 57912256 +>>57912222 +--- 57912262 +Have you heard of the high elves? +--- 57912273 +>>57912148 +>>57912241 +This is the source. +I'm not even joking. They think this is real. +--- 57912278 +>>57912229 +--- 57912284 +>damn those bastards I kell them! +This war robbed us of some fantastic eurojank videogame VAs. +--- 57912292 +this fucking war man +--- 57912316 +This is lower effort than when potato man intercepted the conversation of American spies calling him a badass. +--- 57912321 +>>57912207 +Transcript: +>"Where are they (?) attacking (?) from? Give us the coordinates immediately. Can you hear me? Guys under attack, what's the coordinates. What are you doing there?" +>"Damn it, I have only conditional loss/lock (?), this bradley (?) [unintelligible] gives the wrong coordinates." +>"They can't fucking win without us (TN: this is an assumption), waste our fucking time." +>"Have been showing up for several hours, [unintelligible], we can't acquire them. It's just fucked up. We don't even shoot back. Tell me coordinates." +>"Write down 47.3618613, 34.7637248; I repeat it's not them. Who the hell knows. Let's check, Ukrainians can't do anything. They would have died long ago without us." +>"Damn those bastards, I kill them!" +--- 57912328 +>>57912134 (OP) +Clearly both are from Sebastopol, California +--- 57912329 +>>57912134 (OP) +I'm going to take the bait and take this srsly. +These are ESL speakers kind of having a scripted conversation in what could only be described as "pidgin English". +The equivalent of a whore saying "US American Joe! Me sucky sucky long time!" +Hilarious. +--- 57912337 +>>57912321 +>Ukrainians can't do anything. They would have died long ago without us." +Wow, subtle! +--- 57912340 +>>57912337 +It is EXCEEDINGLY subtle. +--- 57912347 +>>57912229 +False, I am Ford Chevrolet from Mississippi Krai, this is recordings of normal American talk with very much American accents. +--- 57912354 +Lol, my kids' 17-year-old friend is from ukraine, and he sounds just like that. +--- 57912363 +>>57912321 +>47.3618613, 34.7637248 +american mercenaries confirmed inside russian lines +--- 57912366 +I am George McHamburginton from California province and I am convinced we must cut all aid to foreign powers and put it all in social programs for anal sex. +--- 57912374 +>>57912337 +>>57912321 +In fact, let's go over the subtleties, shall we? +>Americans are lost and confused, their equipment doesn't work - probably most specifically their GPS +>What I'm assuming to be their command bradley doesn't work +>Ukrainians are on frontlines, but American mercs forced to play catch up and save them all the time - probably in some sort of elastic defense/flying circus +>They either cannot find the Ukrainians, or cannot acquire the positions of the Russian attackers; and are effectively getting shot with artillery but unable to shoot back +>finally someone steps in and gives them proper coordinates, confirming whoever is there isn't Ukrainian (although even then it's not certain, just a "fuck it" situation. +>Exceedingly subtle "I HATE UKRAINIANS, THEY WOULD HAVE LOST WITHOUT US" straight out of bad vidya dialogue. + +>>57912363 +It's probably implied to be an artillery battery position, and the Ukrainians were supposed to scout it but the Americans are just getting chewed up with artillery fire. +Or maybe they're supposed to be marines crossing the river. Idk, this is fiction. +--- 57912376 +This is what the Russian posters are talking about when they say there’s proof of NATO mercenaries in Ukraine but the west covers it up and /k/ bans them for posting it lmao +--- 57912380 +>>57912134 (OP) +Texas Oblast +--- 57912381 +>>57912329 +>take the bait +Nigga I was obviously being sarcastic about this hilarious piece of propaganda, you don't need to explain anything. +--- 57912385 +>>57912134 (OP) +Their accents sound like Dexter +--- 57912390 +This Is like a panel from that pajeet comic about the war. +--- 57912393 +>>57912134 (OP) +This is Michael Mormon from Utah Krai. These men sound just like me and my comrades +--- 57912400 +>>57912134 (OP) +>https://files.catbox.moe/ky2gnv.mp4 +holy fuck this is actually hilarious. Do Russians actually fall for this? +--- 57912404 +>>57912321 +>Did you watch the... "YANKEES" last night, friend? +>Yes, comr-errrr friend. I did watch and enjoy the... base... ball...? +>Good! Let us enjoy USA hamburger back at base. +--- 57912432 +could they really not have bothered to find some dudes on discord to say these stupid lines? +--- 57912472 +Man, why didnt they use Seagals voice? what a wasted opportunity +--- 57912502 +>>57912432 +great idea anon ! +>hey dmitry let's find an american online to use in our propaganda +>da sir, let me just open Discord App and fin- +--- 57912516 +>>57912134 (OP) +kinda unrelated but the new machine learning are going to make everything so fucking messy. + +>min 23:30 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=349s&ab_channel=CenterforHumaneTechnology [Embed] +--- 57912518 +>>57912432 +>>57912472 +It’s not real you retarded reddit fucks. +--- 57912522 +>>57912181 +dude you got to listen to it i wasnt going to at first until i read the comments. +faker than an onlyfans tits +--- 57912526 +>>57912472 +Seagal is too busy peeling potatoes with Lukashitcock +--- 57912530 +>>57912518 +to russians it is. +--- 57912542 +>>57912347 +Fucking kek +--- 57912546 +>>57912134 (OP) +Do russians think that Americans just sound like russians speaking english with a heavy russian accent? For a few seconds I thought he was still speaking russian. This really is shit only meant to fool the average zigger. +--- 57912548 +I'm convinced this is actually a Ukrainian double psy-op to fuck with the the Russians and look like retards (ok they don't need a lot of help there). + +>>57912273 +But it found its way to this channel (and will surely spread to more) and I checked it myself, they think it's real, and that's all that matters. +--- 57912557 +>>57912229 +please tell me there is at least some russians calling out this bs on telegram +--- 57912561 +i dont have or go on telegram, post some of the reaction comments please +--- 57912573 +>>57912546 +The average zigger has been exposed to enough English to know what it sounds like, but isn't fluent enough to tell the difference between accents within the language if spoken by a fluent speaker. +--- 57912576 +>>57912530 +Go back to “oblastposting” on plebbit, you fucking boring shit +--- 57912584 +>>57912518 +neither of those anons think it's retard you actual gorilla nigger do you think they'd be suggesting getting Seagal in as a voice actor if they thought it was real? the faked audio is almost as bad as your reading comprehension +--- 57912590 +>>57912576 +Are you okay? +--- 57912597 +>>57912576 +whyre you taking it so personally friend? +--- 57912617 +>>57912284 +>Eurojank VA +Go check out Warlockery, his YouTube channel is top teir. +--- 57912619 +>>57912573 +Surely they'd be able to tell if someone sounds russian. Then again, expecting russians to not be retarded regardless of the subject is asking too much. +--- 57912633 +>>57912134 (OP) +Surely this isn't the best they can do, right? There's gotta be at least a few expats or at least people who spent a few years in the States somewhere, this is just low-effort. +--- 57912639 +>>57912617 +>Warlockery +is it warlockracy? that word you used didnt show anything +--- 57912646 +>>57912134 (OP) +>HELLO +>THIS IS AN ANIMATION +--- 57912652 +>>57912633 +And expat would be a minority, so first to be mobilized. Please be the understanding, they're dead. +--- 57912658 +>>57912134 (OP) +sounds like some niggers from Michigan Oblast to me +--- 57912661 +>>57912619 +it literally doesn't matter how they sound + +it doesn't have to be convincing. They simply do not care. They don't believe it anyway, they could be told the sky is green and african people are white and they'll just consume it. They don't have to 'believe' it, just accept that that's what they're being told. +--- 57912691 +>>57912134 (OP) +>>57912273 +It’s real + +https://t.me/s/vrogov +> About foreign mercenarys at the caprozhny of the service of + +>In the mood of the guards, the guards were encouraged by the help of the drivers of the guards to help the audiences with the help of the guards up. + +> As seen from the price, it comes to the control of the fire of the arm.pillery. It is interesting, it is located in English, which will witness the quality of intaneous emans in the BCU, as well as the contrajector of the congressors of the congressors of the public special specialities, as well as well as well as the second language. They say that's what the people say, there's even more people in the area of Ukrainians.'re in the same way. The part of one of the new people is very important: "Because they don't have it, if they don't, they wouldn't be dead for a long time, you would have gone." + +>It's good that you're so important to work in the Ukrainian company to start to make foreign people. sworn out of foreign people in the Russian company's work. +>That's not surprising, after all, their commanders are also making up. They're soaking. + +>In the area of work, from which countries are mercenaries. sponsors. +--- 57912698 +>>57912597 +>friend +no no no, that is no friend +it is a COMRADE +--- 57912700 +>>57912691 +It's as real as your girlfriend who goes to another school, anon. +--- 57912710 +>>57912691 +I hope that by 'it's real' you mean 'Russian media is actually pushing this hilarious shit' and not 'this is a real captured conversation between two American mercenaries' +--- 57912716 +>>57912239 +I had to think about this for a second since the 4th largest city in Florida is St.Petersburg lol +--- 57912717 +>>57912639 +It is warlockracy. Can confirm the other anon is right he’s a kino YouTuber and a non-vatnik Russian. He occasionally gives insights into Russian culture especially vatnik and FSB and prison culture. Watch his video on planet Alcatraz kek +--- 57912720 +>>57912691 +thats some fantastic word salad sounds like a stroke victim. +--- 57912724 +>>57912710 +>>57912700 +No, it's real. American mercenary deaths are being covered up as helicopter accidents. 101st Airborne are being reported as dying in Osprey crashes, despite the fact only the US Marines uses Ospreys. +--- 57912726 +>>57912717 +thanks +--- 57912730 +>>57912716 +You're amazingly quick on the uptake, Anon +--- 57912737 +>>57912724 +Da is real! My czar said so! +--- 57912785 +>>57912724 +Incredible, you managed to be wrong twice in once sentence. +--- 57912853 +>>57912700 +Of course she’s real, she goes to another school, out of state, in Canada. +>>57912720 +Translation error or top tier Russian grammar. Can’t tell. +>>57912710 +Totally real. So real that it was posted on a telegram page with 115,000 subscribers. But it’s so bad I don’t think they will post on state sanctioned media like Sputnik. +--- 57912883 +>>57912134 (OP) +You're listening to Duncan from Idaho talk with Debbie from Dallas. +--- 57912892 +Are they in Ukraine to chase down moose and squirrel? +--- 57912896 +>>57912522 +Yeah, I just heard it. It was hilarious. You could just use AI at that point +--- 57912907 +>>57912385 +TRUE lmao +--- 57912932 +>>57912724 +--- 57912938 +>>57912134 (OP) +>Intercepted conversation +so american mercs use unencrypted radios +losers +--- 57913074 +>>57912191 +A lie detector probably would beep all the time if you turned it on in Russia. +--- 57913267 +>>57913074 +I am a moderate, but "lie detectors"/polygraphs are junk science. +At their very best they're a psyop the interrogator uses to convince you he knows you're lying (he doesn't). +--- 57913311 +>>57912337 +>me whenever i work with anyone +--- 57913337 +>>57912134 (OP) +>Russian propaganda channels just uploaded this audio. +--- 57913395 +>>57912134 (OP) +its baffling they really couldn't get their hands on a few voices that actually sound American + +you didn't make this yourself OP? +--- 57913405 +>>57912619 +>Surely they'd be able to tell if someone sounds russian. +Think about someone speaking French in an American accent. Can you? I can't. +--- 57913413 +>>57913395 +again it literally makes no difference. +--- 57913425 +>>57913413 +and thats why the Russians are losing, they don't have a civilization, its all an act +--- 57913434 +>>57913425 +>Russian history: 2500 years +>American history: 200 years +--- 57913454 +>>57913434 +>2,300 year head start +And what do they have to show for it? +--- 57913457 +>>57913434 +russia has no history, it is not a continuous cultural or ethnic or whatever stream, it is simply destroyed and replaced when convenient to the Big Nigga + +More like a product that's simply disposed of when it's no longer useful +--- 57913465 +>>57913457 +The projection on display is absolutely fascinating. +--- 57913480 +>>57912134 (OP) +you ever hear about the germans trying to bamboozle American supply lines by posing in US uniforms and giving bad directions and immediately being shot on sight because they didn't speak understandable English? These guys wouldn't last 4 seconds in that situation. +--- 57913490 +>>57913434 +Russia's history starts in 1492. +--- 57913494 +>>57913490 +Actually it starts in 700 BC. +--- 57913506 +>>57912321 +>GWTBW +Holy shit I didn't know he was still making new ones. +--- 57913510 +>>57913434 +--- 57913545 +>>57913434 +the species existing is not the same as having a civilization + +sorry for the wall of text but I can't help but seeing Russians acting like fucking sci-fi insects +--- 57913563 +>>57912134 (OP) +wow I can't believe the two US volunteers that they managed to intercept just happened to have russian accents +--- 57913574 +>>57913434 +By your logic American history is also thousands of years old by virtue of the various native civilizations which existed over the millennia with permanent settlement. +--- 57913580 +>>57913494 +Moscow didn't exist as a city (let alone a state) until 1156 and the Golden Horde was only formed after ther Mongol Empire collapsed in 1259, how could Russia's history start in 700 BC? +--- 57913583 +>>57913510 +im at a loss for words +--- 57913587 +2 NYC taxi drivers talking on their phones +--- 57913591 +>>57912134 (OP) +Christ, it sounds like trying to coordinate arty with Russians in foxhole. +--- 57913598 +>>57913434 +>US in 200 years: managed to position itself as the top dog of the world +>Russia in 2500 years: can't take one city after 8 months of fighting +--- 57913611 +>>57912134 (OP) +--- 57913634 +>>57913583 +If you pay attention to the file name, I've given it the number 2. +--- 57913668 +>>57913434 +No it starts in 91 so like 32 years old compared to us Amerikangs. The Soviet union disrupted Russian history in favor of a Jewish one +--- 57913721 +>>57912321 +As someone that's had a lot of experience with ESL Russian comms, think I can clean this up a bit. +>Where are they [striking] from?! +>this Bradley['s retarded], gives wrong coordinates +>They can't fucking [determine it] without us +>Have been [shelling us] for several hours, [guys are dying] +--- 57913746 +>>57912134 (OP) +>A: giva corjunents immejitly cannu herme? Gais on de attek wus corjenets? Have you bene given the corjunents? What you djune there? +>B: Djamit I have onny condisho won. This bran is redef gif the wran cordandate + +Definitely Minnesota +--- 57913747 +Russians can’t actually be this dumb, where was this originally posted? +--- 57913756 +>>57912229 +This is clearly accent from central Washington Federal City +--- 57913790 +I'm a Europoor living in the states for 4 years, I don't think I could fake an accent this bad, holy shit. +I know its intended for the Russians but dude. +--- 57913862 +>>57913434 +The United States has been one continuous nation throughout the majority of its existence. Russia has not. +--- 57913956 +>>57912691 +>>In the mood of the guards, the guards were encouraged by the help of the drivers of the guards to help the audiences with the help of the guards up. +>the contrajector of the congressors of the congressors of the public special specialities +--- 57913977 +>>57912321 +So to complete it: +>"Where are they striking from? Give us the coordinates immediately. Can you hear me? Guys under attack, what's the coordinates. What are you doing there?" +>"Damn it, I have only conditional lock, this Bradley's retarded, gives wrong coordinates." +>"They can't fucking determine it without us, waste our fucking time." +>"Have been shelling us for several hours, guys are dying, we can't acquire them. It's just fucked up. We don't even shoot back. Tell me coordinates." +>"Write down 47.3618613, 34.7637248; I repeat it's not them. Who the hell knows. Let's check, Ukrainians can't do anything. They would have died long ago without us." +>"Damn those bastards, I kill them!" +--- 57914109 +>>57913434 +>Australian History:40,000 - 80,000 years +What now chucklecucks? +--- 57914253 +>>57912619 +>Surely they'd be able to tell if someone sounds russian. +I wouldn't be able to tell someone speaking Russian with an American accent. Maybe it's different because they should speak some English but then again they probably only learned from people with a Russian accent. +--- 57914342 +>>57912617 +lmao, bless you anon +--- 57914357 +>>57912199 +Agreed. When/if things ever calm back down to the normal retardation around here, I hope we keep it. It's developed a Special /k/ flavor. Along with the U.S. invading Venezuela and losing their flagship to the Venezuelan Coast Guard. +--- 57914388 +>>57912134 (OP) +Is this like a test to see how for below the 100 mark vatniks are with their IQ? +--- 57914391 +>>57912646 +>AN INTERNET ANIMATION MADE WITH FLASH +>HOLD ON LET ME GET THE DOOR DAMN IT +--- 57914414 +>>57912134 (OP) +Texas here. That is blatantly a Ukrainian speaking English. It definitely is more masculine than what a yankee or commiefornian sounds like +--- 57914486 +>>57912134 (OP) +>>57912176 +>Transatlantic accent in 2023 +There's only one explanation: these are toons. +--- 57914551 +>>57913747 +>Russians can’t actually be this dumb +they fight for Putin +--- 57914578 +>>57913490 +Russias history starts in 2014* +--- 57914579 +>>57912199 +I propose calling them "Oblastniks." It'll be our "Charlie." +--- 57914585 +>>57912134 (OP) +get out of here stalker +--- 57914597 +Guys, this is nothing to make fun of. This is the actual audio recording of the terrorist attack on Zakhaev International Airport where hundreds of people died. +--- 57914627 +>>57912134 (OP) +>american +from brighton beach in the mid 80s maybe. the FOB slavs here would rag the fuck out of threm for that thick as a brick accent. + +>Hey Cousin! Lets Go Bowling +--- 57914633 +>>57912134 (OP) +>https://files.catbox.moe/ky2gnv.mp4 + +I think you've got one guy from Maine and the other from Long Island. +--- 57914789 +>>57912518 +>faker than an onlyfans tits +Wait ... wat? Anon ..? Wh-what exactly are you trying to say here ..? +--- 57914816 +>>57912134 (OP) +I am Crocodile Alligator from Chevrolet Movie Theater and this sounds very real to me +--- 57914841 +>>57912134 (OP) +Unironically worse VA work than the English localization of STALKER. +Ukrainians yet again prove themselves superior to Russians. +--- 57914848 +>>57912134 (OP) +They are of sounding like they are from Alaska oblast… perhaps of near Miss Palin’s house? +--- 57914855 +>>57913434 +Russia has less history than fucking Moldova lmao +--- 57914882 +>>57914848 +Who's Nailin' Paylin 2 CONFIRMED?! +--- 57914887 +>>57912472 +I don't think anyone really likes Seagal anymore. He's just kind of an arrogant fatass that hasn't been in a movie worth watching sober since the Clinton administration. +This obviously makes him the perfect choice for the job. +--- 57914903 +>>57914109 +>Ethiopian history : 300 000 years old, as old as humanity itself +Can't beat that +--- 57914910 +>>57912785 +Is that a woman pilot. +--- 57914921 +>>57913574 +Arguably the USA is a culmination of most of European history alongside native history. Russia has no answer since most of its own history is being raped by others while being played by bongs later on. +--- 57914932 +>>57914855 >>57914578 >>57913580 +>>57913494 >>57913490 >>57913457 +>>57913434 +--- 57915060 +>>57912516 +It won't be as messy as that time Wayne Gretzky skeeted. +--- 57915141 +>>57914932 +Why has moscow been trying to downplay the history of kyiv so much the last few hundred years? +--- 57915176 +>>57912134 (OP) +After one year of intercepted Russian radio and telephone calls, this is the best vatniks could come up with? +It's curious - the intercepted calls all seemed outlandish to westerners but completely plausible, even normal to us in Eastern Europe. Meanwhile this will convince some rednecks in Eastern Europe but seems mostly targeted at Africa or India. +--- 57915184 +>>57915141 +Among many other reasons is the fact that Kiev was the fourth "Rome", while Moscow doesn't even make it in the top 10. +--- 57915190 +>>57915184 +who are 5-11 +--- 57915194 +>>57915141 +Because it contradicts the Russian narrative about 'Novvorossiya' and 'Little Russians'. It's not that complicated, Ukrainians having their own national identity distinct from Russia is antithetical to the idea Ukraine should be part of Russia. + +This comes all the way from the days of Imperial Russia. +--- 57915221 +>>57912134 (OP) +Whaf state is this accent? Canadian? +--- 57915225 +>>57912134 (OP) +Sounds like Montana Oblast to me +--- 57915232 +>>57912385 +Why do you have pictures of a little boy on your computer? +--- 57915259 +>>57912134 (OP) +Alamo McFortworth here. This sounds like myself and my comrades when we get kerosene to fuel the Ford Motor Company pickup truck and drive out to hunt caribou. They are definitely from the Middle West oblasts. +--- 57915263 +>>57912134 (OP) +This kinda reminds me of french people trying to speak english, unless that's just common ESL pronunciation +t. frog +--- 57915268 +>>57914109 +>Australian History:40,000 - 80,000 years +How is that possible? Australia was prehistoric until 1606 +--- 57915280 +>>57912134 (OP) +Can't wait for Tucker Carlson to report this. +--- 57915302 +>>57912717 +I will also shill for Warlockracy. His "non-political" videos (like his Morrowind series) are pretty good and he has a very unique insight into the shitshow that is modern Russia. + +He pretty much predicted this conflict in the Donbas developing into a full on war in his first STALKER video a full year before it happened. Sure, he wasn't the only person who came to that conclusion. But he did say that the Ukrainians would put up more than a token resistance and it would be a long, bloody conflict. I can't think of anyone else who held that opinion prior to the Russia's 'orderly' retreat from Kyiv. +--- 57915315 +>>57914887 +all the hohol/glownigger cope over Steve just makes me like him more diff --git a/k/57912375.txt b/k/57912375.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b7701ace227ee193084ff5806995fe096956cf76 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912375.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 57912375 +R8, H8 +--- 57912392 +>>57912375 (OP) +Boring stuff but necessary, when are the Abrams they're getting actually going to be produced? +--- 57912471 +>>57912375 (OP) +Love the TOW stockpile they’re building +--- 57912533 +>>57912375 (OP) +>Precision Aerial Munitions +Wonder what those are. +--- 57912550 +>>57912375 (OP) +you could copy and paste it for the last few months and tell me its new and id believe you, but hey keep it up yanks +--- 57912570 +>>57912533 +VDV + Garmin GPS +--- 57912608 +>>57912375 (OP) +ammo / 10, it's nothing shiny but continous ammunition supply is crucial to Ukraine, it's not like they're making 155 themselves +--- 57912774 +>>57912375 (OP) +>demolition munitions for obstacle clearing +But why would the ukrainians need those in a war with static frontlines?... +--- 57912787 +>>57912774 +MINE +--- 57912840 +>>57912774 +>why would you need munitions designed to demolish a static front line in a war with static front lines +To generate T E M P O +--- 57912852 +>>57912774 +>he thinks the Ukrainians intend to defend diff --git a/k/57912421.txt b/k/57912421.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..898d5a0c401af2bd4bbbab89846d464baa19c41a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912421.txt @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +----- +--- 57912421 +old thread: >>57881980 → +Thank you for waiting warmly +--- 57912439 +>>57912421 (OP) +--- 57912467 +I like bomber jackets, they're stylish, comfortable, and have D E E P pockets +--- 57912473 +It is Erica's birthday! Say something nice about her. +--- 57912506 +>>57912421 (OP) +Is there a cute anime grill for the Browning Auto 5? If so I'll put her on mine if shes cute. +--- 57912519 +>>57912467 +yeah, the pockets are really nice. I just need to get shorter pens so i can put a backpack on both shoulders +--- 57912535 +>>57912473 +she could slide down my railing any day +--- 57912595 +>>57912506 +no +--- 57912616 +>>57912595 +Gay ass thread then. +--- 57912632 +>>57912616 +this is the only Auto 5 pic I have use it wisely +--- 57912640 +>>57912632 +Thank you she is now my personality +--- 57912679 +>>57912640 +cool bro I found some more +--- 57912755 +kosh my beloved.. +--- 57912882 +Eric and Ursula birthday +--- 57912891 +Cutie +--- 57912936 +>>57912906 +>>57912928 +Erica is Ericute +Ursula is cute as well! +--- 57912953 +>>57912936 +Best sisters +--- 57912965 +>>57912953 +Uniquely compatible! +--- 57912974 +>>57912965 +Twin jet lol +--- 57913012 +>>57912519 +How high up are the pencil pockets on yours? +--- 57913053 +>>57913038 +Nice one. +--- 57913061 +>>57913053 +--- 57913101 +>>57913061 +>>57913098 +--- 57913108 +>>57913101 +--- 57913299 +>>57912439 +God I wish I had a stechkin. +--- 57913348 +>>57913339 +--- 57913356 +VROOOM +--- 57913731 +>>57912891 +Eyes too big +I dont get this obsession with big eyes +--- 57914229 +What is the tactical advantage of going to the range in your underwear? +--- 57914446 +>>57912891 +>>57913731 +don't listen to him her eyes are beautiful! +--- 57914560 +>>57913731 +Then why are you in an anime thread? Big guys are almost a fundamental aspect of anime +--- 57914599 +>>57914229 +Train how you fight diff --git a/k/57912600.txt b/k/57912600.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b3f62a9de142c75f48cd98ce37923a5187dd7d92 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912600.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 57912600 +Space Marines +--- 57912629 +You can see where the budget ran out. +--- 57912978 +>>57912600 (OP) +>not CAR-15 on AK74u violence +I hate this show. +--- 57913002 +I know a counter +--- 57915275 +What weapon would you actually give astronauts. Doesn't shit overheat? +>>57912600 (OP) +Too much bullshit drama and not enough alt history space race. It was just exhausting. Got up to the bit where the wife wanted to bang the kid she basically raised, put it down, and never picked it up again. diff --git a/k/57912745.txt b/k/57912745.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..24dd06bbc3d0e940821d298aca18de2df3635390 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912745.txt @@ -0,0 +1,732 @@ +----- +--- 57912745 +/arg/ assault rifle general - National Forest edition + +Last thread +>>57909711 → +--- 57912782 +This week, on ARG Gets Drafted.... + +Season Finale! + +The ARG Platoon has fought long and hard in the struggle for Dulce AFB, battling deep into the depths, slaughtering their way through ayys and pedos alike. +They reach the reactor level, and Rich Boy Trip is assigned to break into the controls and set it to Meltdown Mode. +To his surprise, he finds no lock, but only a single taper pin holding the controls closed. +Will he rise to the occassion, or be anal probed by Grays? +--- 57912784 +>>57912745 (OP) +its getting dark. be advised that ash will be conducting his nightly patrol using his mom's mobility scooter +--- 57912803 +>>57912782 +cant wait til this is over +--- 57912805 +>>57912784 +His mom is hot.. and his dad was a chad +--- 57912845 +Reminder that I bought an rc2 today +--- 57912856 +>>57912845 +Post serial number. +--- 57912859 +>>57912745 (OP) +ew an lpvo, yuck. +--- 57912874 +>>57912745 (OP) +I hate litterbugs +>>57912859 +Fitting that its in a pile of junk +--- 57912899 +>>57912856 +I promise the number that anon posted was incorrect. but I guess i should do a little better job of hiding it next time +--- 57912937 +Anybody know "goarmorup" is a legit retailer? They have some shit at a good price I want, but they look kinda sketchy. +--- 57912940 +>>57912845 +You got bullied into buying an rc2 for a pencil dick barreled 11.5bcm that you don’t even have a form 1 for. Shit isn’t even going to hold zero with 20 ounces hanging off the barrel lmao. Arg bullies a retard into buying a paperweight. Doesn’t really matter cause you didn’t get real passport photos. You’re gonna wait 9 months to find out you’re denied kek. +--- 57912954 +>>57912940 +barrel throats erode and riffling wears over time. rc2 is eternal +u r a fagget +--- 57912955 +>>57912899 +Censor at the ground level, put some tape over it. +--- 57912957 +>>57912899 +Is this a bandaid or something? +--- 57912964 +>>57912940 +why u mad tho? +--- 57912967 +>>57912940 +Nta, do you know how zero's work bro? All he has to do is re-zero with the suppressor on, if that weight on end even has an effect. Which it wont. +--- 57912972 +>>57912940 +stfu youre just mad your attempt at trolling failed. fucking fag. +--- 57912977 +>>57912955 +yeah +--- 57912987 +>>57912971 +I'm glad you are having fun bro. that's all that matters +--- 57912994 +>>57912967 +I’ve found that my groups get slightly tighter with the can, but noguns anons do be seething +--- 57912996 +>>57912940 +Just relax dude I'm worried about you. +--- 57913005 +>>57912971 +If I pull off that mask will you die? +--- 57913008 +>>57912782 +Blessed post +--- 57913010 +is this a new shcizo? +--- 57913015 +>>57912967 +Bro any time he moves the poi is going to shift. That can was meant for socom profile barrels not whatever pencil dick barrel buffooni puts in his rubbish bin. +--- 57913017 +Is goarmorup legit? +--- 57913028 +>>57912803 +Hush, you pickaninny! +--- 57913052 +>>57913015 +rc2 has no poi shift +--- 57913056 +>>57912996 +If this sign were a rifle it would be yours +--- 57913065 +>>57913015 +>any time he moves the poi is going to shift, That can was meant for socom profile barrels not whatever pencil dick barrel buffooni puts in his rubbish bin +No, the lock up on both barrels is exactly the same, if anything, according to your logic the pencil barrel would have less shift because it has less weight overall. The extra metal in a socom profile in the middle of the barrel is not going to prevent barrel flex dude. You have no idea what you're talking about. +--- 57913069 +>>57913052 +it does. 1moa drop ime with 77gr. +--- 57913081 +>>57913052 +There is poi shift but its 1moa or less and return to same zero when removed. +--- 57913084 +>>57913069 +hm. negligible at most. +--- 57913087 +>>57912971 +the only thing it cant supress is the manliness +--- 57913099 +>>57913065 +>No, the lock up on both barrels is exactly the same +That's not what's being discussed. +>according to your logic the pencil barrel would have less shift because it has less weight overall +Holy fuck retard. +>in the middle of the barrel +You don't know what a SOCOM profile is. +>You have no idea what you're talking about. +You don't think a 1lbs weight added to the end of a thin and light barrel will affect anything at all? +--- 57913104 +my wait was 275 days when it said 90 average. now it says 280 average. rip guys. rip. +--- 57913110 +>>57913065 +I didn’t say the rc2 has poi shift I said blm barrels are trash and flex badly as it is. Adding over a pound to the end of it is going to make it like a 7moa barrel lmao. +--- 57913141 +>>57912940 +>Doesn’t really matter cause you didn’t get real passport photos +I guess the stack of form 1s I rolled my own prints and used a phone selfie for aren't real +--- 57913148 +>>57913099 +>You don't know what a SOCOM profile is +All a socom profile barrel is, is added metal right behind the gas block retard, because that's where operators were having catastrophic malfunctions when mag dumping when breaking contact, I was autisically talking about this here just a few weeks ago. +>That's not what's being discussed. +That is what's being discussed idiot, for there to be shift there has to be barrel flex. The lock up is the exact same on both barrels. The barrel "flex's" at the barrel nut lockup. it's not bending half way through the fucking barrel you idiot. What an absolute absurd hypothesis. + +/arg/ please shame this man. +--- 57913154 +>>57913010 +I guess so. As if we didn't have enough. DMT finally making it literally broke someone. Imagine how shitty your life has to be for you to get this upset over someone getting a suppressor. +--- 57913157 +>>57913148 +>it's not bending half way through the fucking barrel you idiot +uh yes, that does happen. Literally every time you fire in fact. +--- 57913172 +>>57913157 +It vibrates from end to end retard, its not bending half way, if that was the case all heavy profile barrels would be more accurate and everybody would be using them. +--- 57913181 +>>57913154 +I haven't made it until I'm strong and have nods. +Standby it will happen. +--- 57913190 +>>57913172 +>if that was the case all heavy profile barrels would be more accurate +yes anon, that is literally objectively correct. And it is true. +>everybody would be using them +Not necessarily, because lighter barrels are accurate enough. You however do seriously fuck things up when you hang an extra pound off your lightweight barrel though. +--- 57913191 +>>57913172 +Heavy profile barrels are more accurate fucking lmao.. lol even. People aren’t using them because they’re heavy. +--- 57913199 +>>57913181 +>I haven't made it until I'm strong +You have a ways to go kid. I wish you'd take my advice on training you. +--- 57913201 +>>57913172 +>I-if that was true then [obvious fact literally everyone already knows] +You're a clown. +--- 57913202 +>>57913104 +my rc2 wait was 112 days. got it last week +the lgs is going out of business and i got lucky +--- 57913205 +>>57913199 +Is this dmt? Lol dude needs to eat a sandwich and lift something heavier than his blm rifle. +--- 57913212 +>>57913202 +Oh shit how do I make my lgs go out of business? +--- 57913213 +>>57913191 +>>57913190 +No, heavy profile barrels are only more accurate under sustained heavy fire, full auto use, because they handle heat better and don't warp as much. +--- 57913215 +>>57913181 +Lucas Botkin lookin ass +--- 57913221 +>>57913212 +in my case the owner was a bad boy and the atf pulled his license. it probably doesn't reflect great on my that i was doing business with him +--- 57913223 +>>57913205 +No this is me faggot. +--- 57913229 +>>57913181 +I have faith in you. Up your calories every day even if you're not hungry. Force down a chicken breast they're only like $3 and it's a shitload of lean protein. +--- 57913232 +>>57912971 +who is this cutie? +--- 57913234 +>>57913223 +inb4 ash says your nips are weird +--- 57913238 +>>57913223 +extremely homoerotic pic. +--- 57913242 +>>57913223 +Weird nipples +--- 57913248 +Why do you guys buy thousand dollar suppressors plus waitinf in gay baby stamp jail knowing in the UK they're $100 off the counter? Being able to afford it aside, why would you support this at all? Suppressor companies are in league with the ATF cause it's a profitable racket. +--- 57913249 +theres nothing gay about appreciating a man's body +--- 57913256 +>>57913015 +So which can would you have advised him to get? He can swap barrels. +--- 57913260 +>>57913234 +>>57913234 +>inb4 ash says your nips are weird +He always does, lol. He's jelly. +>>57913242 +>Weird nipples +There he is +>>57913238 +>extremely homoerotic pic. +It must be awakening some feelings in you. +--- 57913261 +>>57913223 +why does your pork steak pectoral have a bite taken out of it? +--- 57913263 +>>57913248 +Why don't you own a suppressor? +>b-but muh UK +You can't even own a gun. +--- 57913265 +>>57913223 +Stop posting pictures of malnourished dmt man doxxing ain’t cool +--- 57913272 +>>57913260 +>There he is +no, I'm the guy who says weird nipples. That guy is just copying me. hello, your nipples remain weird. +--- 57913274 +>>57913248 +because thats how it be +--- 57913276 +>>57913223 +This is dmt +--- 57913280 +>>57913256 +Saker 556k +--- 57913282 +>>57913261 +>why does your pork steak pectoral have a bite taken out of it? +Survived a knife fight with a nigger in portland +--- 57913289 +>>57913223 +bost that art on the wall +--- 57913294 +>>57913276 +>This is dmt +DMT can't afford an SR15. +--- 57913302 +>>57913282 +Why were you all the way the fuck in Portland I thought you lived in Orlando.. was it a knife fight with one of your bus boys? Bruh if the waiters are tipping you out you should share. +--- 57913309 +>>57913302 +I was joking retard, I've never set foot in portland, and I don't live in orlando. +--- 57913320 +How do you guys level aimpoints? +I leveled my upper in a vise and then leveled the optic off the top turret (with the cap off). +--- 57913321 +>>57913309 +>I don’t live in Orlando +Bro everyone knows you’re a line cook in Orlando. You lie about EVERYTHING. Probably didn’t buy a can at all today. +--- 57913328 +>>57913256 +Nomad L with Manta Cover +Bigger = Better +--- 57913338 +>>57913321 +hahah I love being teased like this, makes me really feel welcome here. Frens. I'm gonna miss you guys when I leave for training. +--- 57913341 +>>57912745 (OP) +Changed barrels on one of my AR builds and now my cheap shit ammo is short stroking on the system. No issues with any other ammo brand. Just shit ammo or could it be a gas block leakage/alignment issue? +--- 57913353 +>>57913341 +Probably a smaller gas port. +--- 57913367 +>>57913353 +I measured the old barrel gas port and the new one with calipers and they're the same. Dyskm +--- 57913376 +>>57913367 +Gas port is probably smaller on the inside of the barrel. +--- 57913385 +>>57913367 +Did you check the gender and sexuality of the new barrel? It could be a gay barrel or a real woman. +--- 57913393 +>>57913376 +Okay so use gauge pins tomorrow, but how would that even work? Only way that makes sense is they didn't finish the drilling operation. +--- 57913401 +>>57913341 +What gas block on the old barrel? What one on the new barrel? +--- 57913408 +>>57913393 +Is it ballistic advantage? They use a tapered gas port because their ports tend to erode from the inside out. Bad nitriding. Keeps them functioning throughout the 4500rd life of the barrel. +--- 57913421 +>>57913401 +The same gas block and gas tube I literally just swapped barrels. +--- 57913435 +>>57913421 +Is it a low profile one? Did you dimple the barrel yourself? Or is it taper pinned? +--- 57913437 +Rate my new rifle. Upper is from B Kings Firearms 14.5 and midlength. +--- 57913440 +anybody want this rail? 150 bucks. +--- 57913443 +>>57913408 +Nah some literal who manufacturer. I can email them and ask. I really doubt the size of the gas port changed but I'm suspicious I misaligned the gas block on the gas port. If so, would it short stroke with most ammo? Wouldn't I see gas leaking from the gas block when I fire? I am curious if there is anyway I can determine if this is just weak ammo or a gas block alignment issue. +--- 57913455 +>>57913437 +I like it besides the optic. +--- 57913464 +>>57913435 +Not sure if it's taper pinned but it's pinned and set with hex screws on the bottom. It was pretty god damn snug on the new barrel so I have a hard time believing aí got the alignment messed up. +--- 57913475 +>>57913440 +Wow you’re still trying to sell that thing? +--- 57913476 +>>57913440 +Nah buddy I think I'll save up for a real rail like cloud defensive +--- 57913497 +>>57913443 +Oh yeah call them tomorrow and ask if they use a tapered bit to drill their gas ports due to accelerated port throat wear from the bi-nickel nitride. If that’s the case you’ll just have to shoot magnum loads until your barrel breaks in. +--- 57913527 +>>57913464 +Taper pins are mostly FSB. +If it's just set screwed on it's good to get a gunsmith to dimple your barrel for it so you can be sure of alignment, but you can try to do your best using a spare handguard cap to get the spacing right and lining up the gas tube through the upper correctly. +--- 57913539 +>>57913497 +Yeah good idea. Is there a way to check for gas block/gas port alignment without a borescope? I realized I can't use gauge pins. +--- 57913555 +>>57913475 +Not really putting effort into it bro. +--- 57913603 +>>57913527 +Not saying you're wrong about it since I'm not sure yet but gas block ports are oversized vs barrel gas ports and don't need the gap to be perfectly aligned. Likewise the set screws are cupped so idk if I need to dimple the barrel. +--- 57913610 +>>57913248 +because if I'm gonna fucking wait 10 months and have an item attached to my name I want to have the best God damn suppressor money can buy. +--- 57913655 +>>57913527 +If I'm taking a fucking barrel to get a gas block put on, I'm gonna make the faggot gunsmith (on par with a janitor only slightly better because I would assume the wage slave actually pulls in a wage) pin it on. +--- 57913660 +there are people here who would go into debt for ar15 purchases +--- 57913671 +>>57912874 +Kek, was waiting for someone to say the gun was part of the junk. Fucking white trash meth tards though trashing the shooting pits around here. Making guns/shooting look like a trailer park hobby +--- 57913677 +>>57913555 +Might buy it out of pity if I get some extra disposable income. +What length? I could use a 14.5 in my family. +--- 57913681 +>>57913660 +There are people here who have admitted to doing so. +Hard to fathom paying interest for a toy +--- 57913693 +>>57913603 +You probably don't NEED to dimple the barrel. On my first AR I didn't and didn't have any problems. But the block has to move very little for your gas tube to rest against the upper which supposedly will cause accuracy to suffer and increase parts wear. If it's just a low pro block under your rail it'll probably be fine. +--- 57913708 +>>57913660 +Better than travel or funko pops. +--- 57913725 +>>57913660 +Mine is paid for! +--- 57913741 +Guys how do I fix tinnitus +--- 57913760 +>>57913741 +Fans help. Some kind of white noise. +--- 57913768 +>>57913660 +There are people who go into debt for cam wholes and kill their entire family (true story). +--- 57913777 +>>57912745 (OP) +--- 57913781 +>>57913260 +>There he is +My email notified me that I was mentioned in this thread. That isn't me Im busy watching FishTank with the boys. +--- 57913850 +Guess whos birthday it is? +--- 57913857 +>>57913677 +it's 9.55'' +--- 57913868 +Should I do it /arg/? +--- 57913872 +>>57913850 +Weed, bro! Smoke weed, man! +--- 57913873 +>>57913850 +Andy Serkis. He voiced gollem in Lord of the Rings. +--- 57913885 +>>57913850 +Happy birthday Hitler. I miss you. +--- 57913893 +>>57913868 +you should check t2s on eurooptic they were like $600 last week +--- 57913894 +I'm making an SBR and figured if I'm going short I'm going all the way. Will a heavier buffer be sufficient for safely running .45 Super? I assume the platform and barrel itself can easily withstand the pressure +--- 57913949 +>>57913894 +cringe +--- 57913958 +>>57913894 +Who the fuck makes AR barrels in .45 Super? +--- 57913964 +>>57913958 +Isn't it the same case as .45 ACP? I thought .460 Rowland was the longer one +--- 57913990 +>>57912940 +Youre a jealous idiot. Fuck you. +--- 57913996 +>>57913964 +Oh yeah you’re right, the external dimensions are the same it’s just that Super is loaded hotter. I doubt the difference would matter with an AR barrel but check with the manufacturer. Most .45 ACP pistols nowadays can handle Super +--- 57914017 +>>57913015 +Oh youre just an idiot, lmao. +--- 57914019 +>>57913996 +My thought process is that the upper, barrel, and barrel nut are pretry much the same as what's used for actual rifle calibers, but it never hurts to be sure. I'm gonna get a 5" barrel and suppressor if it turns out to be possible +--- 57914030 +>>57913157 +Lmfao +--- 57914036 +>>57913181 +The fucking thick ass calorie dense protein shakes you fucker +--- 57914057 +>>57913191 +You are a literally perfect dunning kreuger example. Youve never watched the 9 hole reviews socom barrel video huh you dumb bitch. Lmfao you are multiple fails personified, an onion of failure with more and more layers of idiocy and misinformed fuddlore ignorant takes. +--- 57914078 +>>57913248 +Who cares what shit costs in the uk dumbass. Fucking idiot. Do you think people compare real estate prices here to the uk market and that that means anything it matters in any way? +--- 57914094 +Should I go with a minimal cumberbund or a full size one? +For reference It's between the shaw concepts MSR cumberbund or their standard one, not sure if anyone here has experience with them +--- 57914095 +>>57914057 +The schizo that digs up old replies is back ash +--- 57914096 +>>57913781 +Is it good? I dont care about reality tv type stuff but MDE is the last bastion of comedy. +>>57913857 +Well that sucks. Maybe try selling the rail on reddit or something. +--- 57914103 +>>57913341 +Form that carbon lock man. Struggle through a few mags its worked for the last 3 people with your issue. +--- 57914119 +>>57914096 +>Is it good? +Fucking dog ass dude. He needs to do something soon or its fucked. Everything to fuck with the people is stupid and cost almost $1000 to do most things. +--- 57914123 +>>57913408 +The fuck are you talking about jesse. We had a gonsmif here saying how aero or ba qpq was as good as chrome, 4,500 barrel life lol. Those are like 6.5 creedmore numbers fook +--- 57914134 +>>57914119 +Like $700 to steal someones bed for a night. +--- 57914142 +>>57914103 + U think so, homie? I figured if it was an alignment issue I would have short stroking issues with all my ammo. Will know foh sho tomorroh +--- 57914147 +>>57913660 +Like people in washington trying to beat the ban? +--- 57914148 +>>57914078 +You should care when you're getting ripped off. Suppressors aren't hard to make, suppressor companies are laughing at your dumb ass for buying their $40 in materials and $18 in labor for $1000. +--- 57914156 +>>57913440 +if I'm not mistaken. its a Giesselle super duty right? +--- 57914157 +>>57914148 +What about those of us with homemade solvent traps +--- 57914167 +>>57913893 +650 w low mount. 660 w/no mount +--- 57914170 +>>57914157 +We dont talk about those kings. +--- 57914182 +>>57913894 +Hard to say. Ar9, for 115 plink shit calls for a 308 buffer spring so you might need a sprinco super stiffy to not beat your rifle into shit. +--- 57914186 +>>57914036 +One in the morning and one in the evening since he won’t eat. +--- 57914191 +>>57914157 +we dont need more attention brought to us +--- 57914203 +>>57914094 +Is the MSR one structural with tegris? I’d get that one. Structural>>>>> +--- 57914211 +If 5R stainless steel barrels are some of the most accurate why don't more people use them besides price? +--- 57914234 +>>57914156 +>if I'm not mistaken. its a Giesselle super duty right? +the upper? No its a mk18 upper I swapped the rail on long ago, its been switched back, which Is why I dont need the rail anymore. It's a geissele mk16 rail. +--- 57914251 +>>57914203 +MSR is the little one, both have tegris I believe. I'm only debating between the two based on what will be more breathable, I don't intend to have too much on my plate carrier but I'll probably add an assault pack to the back +--- 57914261 +Need help. Fucked up my gun +--- 57914267 +>>57914261 +--- 57914272 +>>57914267 +>>57914261 +Literally looks like you diarrhea'd all over it. +--- 57914284 +>>57914272 +looks worse than a public shitter in detroit +--- 57914285 +>>57914261 +>this is what /arg/ is trolling people into doing when they post their thousand dollar professional coats and going "just get some stencils, spray paint and kratom bro" +--- 57914287 +>>57914272 +>>57914267 +>not shit testing your guns + +ngmi in the dwot +--- 57914294 +>>57914287 +at least when i shit on my guns i have the common decency to clean them off +--- 57914295 +>>57914261 +¿Poopoo on da gun? +--- 57914297 +>>57914261 +https://youtu.be/m3p_VuPIS2c [Embed] +--- 57914298 +>>57914287 +>ngmi in the dwot +we already are in the dwot brother. You'd best start believing in dwot, you're in one! +--- 57914309 +>>57914267 +>>57914272 +>>57914284 +>>57914285 +>>57914287 +Nice commentary and all, but can this be fixed? I need answers +--- 57914313 +>>57914297 +reminder that blizzard literally stole 2 entire gaming franchises from warhammer 40k, starcraft and world of warcraft literally rip off the entirety of the lore. +--- 57914316 +>>57914309 +Just wipe it with acetone dude + +Poopoo lookin ass +--- 57914322 +>>57914309 +considering that the problem is the owner and not the gun....no, cant be fixed +--- 57914323 +>>57914309 +>but can this be fixed? I need answers +I need answers too anon. We have a lot of questions. But first you can start by dunking that think in a vat of acetone. +--- 57914327 +>>57913610 +You can get a suppressor stamp in under a month if you are smart about the forms. Lord forbid I fill a monster can with wet wipes, spray paint it black, and stick it on my rifle though. That’s a felony. +--- 57914335 +>>57914327 +A proper suppressor will add barrel length though, which can actually improve ballistics on a rifle. +--- 57914338 +>>57914327 +>monster can +pretty sure a monster can would rupture from the pressure, but a maglight would work. +--- 57914341 +>>57914338 +Solvent cans and solvent traps are very popular and legit with a stamp +--- 57914345 +>>57914341 +Yeah, but a monster can, if you're talking about a the literal drink can, wouldn't work. +--- 57914352 +>>57914298 +>I feel nothing. Not the wind on my face nor the spray of the sea. Nor the warmth of a woman's flesh +mfw barbossa was literally an incel +--- 57914355 +>>57914352 +>barbossa was literally an incel +Not fucking women is based +--- 57914358 +The tranny’s back. +--- 57914367 +>>57914358 +Look in the mirror +--- 57914384 +>>57913781 +Michelle is here +--- 57914387 +>>57914384 +Ok dont know why you are telling me. +--- 57914406 +>>57914387 +Because either him and or one of his goons is up to their old schemes and shitting the thread up. +--- 57914410 +>>57914387 +fat +--- 57914457 +i can smell her +--- 57914471 +Where can I find some wooden Mlok rail covers? +Amazon has nothing and I'm not paying woox for their overpriced shit. +--- 57914481 +>>57914471 +Just make them +--- 57914489 +>>57914387 +nice blemd tubes +--- 57914557 +>>57913777 +nice foggy terrain. PNW vibes +--- 57914582 +>>57914557 +It was pretty amazing +Huge spruce trees, valley had a sheer cliff about 1200ft, waterfalls falling 500ft at a time made the whole thing misty and moist +--- 57914592 +>>57914557 +--- 57914593 +>>57914582 +i dont go outside much +--- 57914621 +>>57914582 +Sounds amazing. + +>>57914103 +>>57913401 +>>57913693 +Upon further research fellas I think it's a combination of dirt cheap, underpowered ammo, a brand new barrel needing to break-in, and a brand new unused flat spring buffer spring. Short stroking with underpowered ammo on new barrels seems to be a common phenomenon. + +ALSO I found a lancer mag at the range. Jetzt zocke ich Fortnite und trinke Cola! YIPPEE! +--- 57914661 +>>57914621 +is that a transferrable on the left? +--- 57914679 +Is there any template for making my own stickers with the precise cutouts for a 30 roumder since I dont want to spend $30 on a MST meme mag? +--- 57914693 +Why do trannies exist guys? Also ar15. +--- 57914723 +>>57914693 +--- 57914739 +>>57914693 +id kill a commiefornian +--- 57914741 +>>57914723 +Metal is the natural progression from emo kids in highschool. +--- 57914753 +>>57914661 +Yarp +--- 57914765 +>>57914753 +How much you drop on one of those things? Auto sears can be bought for like m16 fcg can be bought for like 100 bucks. +--- 57914766 +>>57914741 +Here is that Pepe in AR magazine form +--- 57914780 +>>57914766 +cool, what mags are those? +--- 57914798 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK76q13Aqt0 [Embed] +--- 57914809 +>>57914780 +Thanks its just regular AR mags with stickers from the Leviathan metal band +--- 57914817 +>>57914809 +>regular AR mags +what are regular ar mags? +--- 57914836 +>>57914817 +Oh I mean 30rd "USGI" magazines +Likes this https://palmettostatearmory.com/d-h-ar-15-223-5-56-magazine-30rd-alm-black-teflon-laser-mag-30-al-lz-bt-mp-psa.html + +It just has a band sticker and a Magpul Original Mag Assist added. +--- 57914911 +what would you call a piece of metal that screws into the side of an ambidextrous AR safety selector and turns it into a right-handed safety selector that doesn't get in the way of a right-handed shooter's hand? +Also, who sells this? +--- 57914940 +>>57914911 +nigga are you defining a safety +--- 57914955 +Guys I'm getting an rc2 +--- 57914971 +>>57913232 +gay if you wouldn't +--- 57914976 +>>57914911 +They make shorter selector switches on the right side of ambi safety's. Also kac and I think somebody else has snubbed selectors so they don't get in the way of your finger when they are in semi auto. +--- 57914981 +>>57914955 +I don't believe you. +--- 57915069 +>>57914955 +cya in a year +--- 57915084 +What do we think of folding ARs? +--- 57915091 +>>57915084 +reddit gimmick trash +--- 57915094 +>>57915084 +cringe i might say +--- 57915196 +Anyone know why Magpul slings aren’t in multicam? The MS1 is the best sling I’ve ever used, unbelievably comfy but I wish it was in a camo pattern +--- 57915245 +>>57915084 +Not worth it +--- 57915254 +>>57915196 +yes i know the reason why but i wont tell you +--- 57915256 +>>57915196 +>the best sling I’ve ever used +you clearly havent use any other slings, then +--- 57915305 +sometimes i feel like a girl +--- 57915316 +>>57915305 +Stop watching porn and or get your ass fucked and see if you feel the same way +--- 57915335 +>>57915305 +Chop it off then. +--- 57915339 +>>57915084 +Just get a tp9 diff --git a/k/57912762.txt b/k/57912762.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..60cc231ce04d7fbfbbe4695e29adf5ec7ca46b0b --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912762.txt @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +----- +--- 57912762 +Do they really do anything besides fighting gangs? Who has the greatest capability? +--- 57912781 +>>57912762 (OP) +no, brazil because they fight gangs +follow up question. have there been any south american wars or just border clashes. i guess that triple alliance war thing with the -guay countries in the... 60s? thats about it? banana wars maybe? thats a bit more central america though. +--- 57912790 +>>57912762 (OP) +>Do they do anything besides fighting gangs? +Occasionally they fight eachother or put down revolutions +>Who's the strongest +Brazil +--- 57912818 +>>57912762 (OP) +>just border clashes +Last major one was in 1995 between Peru and Ecuador. A few hundred died +--- 57912826 +>>57912762 (OP) +Chile unironically has one of the most advanced and modern land armies in all of SA, it rivals even the bigger Euro armies like the Frogs and Bongs. The Chileans are preparing to push Argentina’s shit in if the latter tries anything funny. +--- 57912829 +>>57912762 (OP) +Besides fighting cartels they usually have periods of killing leftists +--- 57912920 +>>57912762 (OP) +>Do they really do anything besides fighting gangs? +Not all armies fight gangs. Argentina, Chile and Uruguay armed forces are not involve in any drug fighting, that's and should be the job of the police. Chile should bomb those dirty ass mapuches back to the state they were before the spaniards arrived. +>Who has the greatest capability? +In defense? Brazil and Chile. +--- 57912973 +>>57912826 +>2nd hand Leopards 2A4 and F16 MLU from the NL +>a better army than France +What pipe crack are you smoking? France is the best equipped army in Europe (from the pyrenees to the urals) and at this point 3rd after the US and China. +--- 57912984 +>>57912781 +paraguay had a massive war that killed like 90% of its male population after its leader had the brilliant idea of invading all of its nrighbours at the same time +--- 57912998 +>>57912826 +t. el chileANO +--- 57913159 +sexo +--- 57913208 +>>57912973 +Shut the fuck up assblasted argie. Tiera del Fuego is ours, all of it. +--- 57913224 +>>57912762 (OP) +I’ve trained with the Chilean Marines, they’re pretty squared away +--- 57913290 +>>57913208 +>Tiera +yep, knew it all along, you are not Chilenean, Chilenean posters are chill, and these post, only amerimutts are so retarded. +--- 57913307 +>>57913290 +>seething argie +--- 57913948 +>>57912826 +>delusional mestizaje maligno at it again +--- 57913971 +>>57912826 +Nah, we're like Portugal, but a bit less gay. +--- 57913980 +>Gripen E confirmed for 2024 Cruzex + +Once again we'll rape everyone in the continent, except now it will be 10x quicker. +--- 57914454 +>>57912762 (OP) +Texas alone could wipe out those greaseballs country by country. The only military worth a damn down there is Brazil because of their size alone. Then again, just throw a couple hundred soccer balls from planes and you'll conquer. +--- 57914464 +>>57914454 +>Then again, just throw a couple hundred soccer balls from planes and you'll conquer. + +We airdrop Fentanyl back to the US, gg ez no re :) +--- 57914492 +>>57914464 +You’re Chinese now? +--- 57914495 +>>57914454 +>Texas alone could wipe out those greaseballs country by country. +I'm pretty sure Texans wouldn't invade their fellow Hispanic countries +--- 57914570 +>>57914495 +Tejanos =/= hispanics south of the border. + +t. Texas +--- 57914581 +>>57914492 +They're our greatest ally now yes. +--- 57914590 +>>57914581 +Bbbbut what about israel? +--- 57914596 +>>57914570 +Yes but Texas will become majority Hispanic in a decade or less +--- 57914607 +>>57914590 +That was more our evangelical board being jew bootlickers. Pathetic people really. +--- 57914649 +>>57914596 +No, it will not. The influx of cross state immigrants from other states made it not possible and now its just stagnant. But what he is saying is that tejanos(including hispanics) generally don't feel affinity towards Hispanics from further south. Hispanics in america in general wants nothing to do with anybody south of the border and at times are willing to gatekeep. +--- 57914656 +>>57912984 +did they win? +--- 57914682 +>>57914656 +They are the only conservative country in South America. I say so. +--- 57914688 +>>57914649 +>Hispanics in america in general wants nothing to do with anybody south of the border and at times are willing to gatekeep. + +These are the same people who love to scream to the four corners how they are proud to be Mexican and they go cry on the internet when actual Latin Americans tell that they're just another Gringo. + +The ones who gatekeep and usually 1st and 2nd gen immigrants who don't want their countrymen flooding into the place they just moved. +--- 57914695 +>>57914682 +Paraguay is a Brazilian colony that happens to have mennonites and literal neonazis hiding there. +--- 57914700 +>>57914649 +Don't forget that Texas and Florida are becoming even more red on an exponential pace. Yeah they are getting california and northern transplants, but they are conservative transplants fleeing their shithole states. +--- 57914711 +>>57912762 (OP) +sometimes they have to remove terrorist +--- 57914712 +>>57914695 +I am ok with that. If it stays that way, I may escape there and be a farmer +--- 57914761 +>>57914712 +Why? Moving to LATAM as a firstie is such a braindead retarded move. +--- 57914784 +>>57914688 +>These are the same people who love to scream to the four corners how they are proud to be Mexican and they go cry on the internet when actual Latin Americans tell that they're just another Gringo. +A vocal minority is not the majority. Majority of Hispanics don't care and are only just proud of their ethnic to some extent while also being proud to be american. Hispanics in america will be proud of who they are, but that doesn't meam they will be welcoming or have any affinity towards people to the south. +--- 57914787 +>>57912762 (OP) +No & Brazil +Their BOPE squads are probably more cracked than your average soldier in western nations right now +--- 57914792 +>>57912762 (OP) +I feel like characterising it as “ fighting gangs” is a bit of an understatement. Some of these gangs have had a higher gdp than some nations. diff --git a/k/57912908.txt b/k/57912908.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..339eed39efd1d1ff1602db050fe03f1930cff536 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912908.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 57912908 +Someone please make a clone of it +--- 57912989 +>>57912908 (OP) +>>>/pol/ +--- 57913023 +>>57912908 (OP) +Fuck ya mudda +--- 57913045 +>>57912908 (OP) +I remember it being in every vidya 2008-2015 despite never being actually produced in good numbers +--- 57914772 +>>57912908 (OP) +Very few were ever made. +I don't think they actually intended for it to replace the AK series and the whole project to develop/evaluate/adopt it was a money pit to line pockets destined to failure from the beginning. But that's my personal speculation. +Very few were ever exported as reference guns and even then in a demilled state. +No TDPs have been made available. +The whole gun is a mechanical nightmare from the inside out which is horrendous to even attempt to manufacture let alone use. +All of this complexity is to facilitate a 2 round hyperburst which would make it a machine gun under NFA regs so making/selling new ones would be legally impossible. +5.45mm is dying on the vine with poor ammunition availability and high prices for low quality ammunition when you can find it. + +In short, for many reasons it's just not going to happen. +--- 57914863 +>>57914772 +What if we made a 7.62 version sold with steel mags +--- 57914915 +>>57914863 +Steel mags wouldn't change anything. +New caliber would require re-engineering of a really complicated system that barely works as it is. Going up in diameter would also be a challenge since there's very little free room inside the receiver with everything already going on. As sacrilegious as it sounds a 5.56mm redesign might be easier although that would require additional length. + +Still, I don't know how you would square the hyperburst with NFA regs. Unless you want to get an FFL-07 and go to hell and back to make a one-off non-transferable machine gun it's kind of in the way. Making it without that feature completely defeats the entire purpose of the design. diff --git a/k/57912982.txt b/k/57912982.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..426c9906d6c6f3c505d906c8bea9cb008edd525d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912982.txt @@ -0,0 +1,529 @@ +----- +--- 57912982 +NBC nightly news was literally like 30% just shooting news. The guy leaking info and the abortion stuff got like 5 minutes total. Not only is it presented far more than other news, it’s hard to argue against them, because they can just pull the “you don’t care about dead kids” argument. What do I say to people who judge my hobby without sounding like a nutcase? + +Also can somebody ID these colt mags? No markings anywhere +--- 57913003 +>>57912982 (OP) +"Fuck ya mudda" +--- 57913004 +>>57912982 (OP) +Shoot them so they cannot raise objections against your hobby. +--- 57913033 +Turn off your goybox, stop arguing with people IRL, and go for a relaxing walk in the park. Maybe bring your dog +--- 57913037 +>>57912982 (OP) +>gun fags slowly realizing there is no argument for mass gun ownership that doesn't make you sound like a nutcase +--- 57913114 +>>57912982 (OP) +>“you don’t care about dead kids” argument +not an argument. if you can't argue in favor of gun control without using children to prop yourself up i will not respect your opinion in the slightest. +--- 57913124 +>>57912982 (OP) +Just stop arguing with them, the whole point of the argument and especially their "muh chilluns" routine is just to force consessions. At some point the whole gun community is going to have to unify under the banner of "fuck you I'll kill you and your family if you try to take my shit", the anti-guns lack the agency to do anything about it so they might as well be left to cope and seethe about it while the unenforceable laws are ignored and nullified. Simple as +--- 57913139 +>>57912982 (OP) +Bring up actual statistics and how rare it is for an individual to actually experience gun violence in the US +--- 57913145 +>tfw some 30yr old chick is not impressed that you said an AR-15 is for defense against tyranny and you need to run to /k/ for blackup +--- 57913161 +>>57912982 (OP) +Tell them the kids should've had a gun. +--- 57913273 +>>57913139 +ah, yes, point out how the number of schoolchildren shot dead in their classrooms is quite small and therefore readily acceptable. Real panty dropper +--- 57913291 +>>57913273 +If she cares about dead kids so much she can keep them on. She'll probably just want to pop one out to get child support. +--- 57913317 +>>57912982 (OP) + +>you don’t care about dead kids +How many abortions has she had and does she think (White) countries should stop having babies for muh climate crisis +--- 57913332 +>how do i argue with people who don't want to change their opinion? + +nigger you're from HERE and you're asking that question? +--- 57913352 +>>57913124 +Based and Turner pilled +Problem is like everything else gun culture is gay and retarded now, "ironic" femboy/range trap posting isn't ironic anymore, and lots of these faggots would rather hand over their guns than risk discomfort or inconvenience +>ooooohhh no I don't want to go survive in the woods oohhhh noooo there's no climate control or goyslop delivery +--- 57913371 +"What race were those shooters again?" +--- 57913382 +>>57913037 +It's more like when the media intends to make you out as the bad guy they'll hammer home some shitty slogan for the masses to repeat. They could just as easily be pushing the notion that voting for gun control is voting to enslave black people and then you'd be a racist for promoting it. The right to bear arms requires higher order thinking to understand. When you're 80 IQ and can't understand conditionals, then rational arguments have no effect on you. +>"But what if the government tries to hurt you after they take your guns? +>"I don't understand, the government isn't trying to hurt me." +--- 57913391 +>>57913037 +>i dont want to go to the voluntary covid quarantine camp +--- 57913412 +>>57913382 +More like what >>57913391 is saying. NPCs are so outright fucking useless they'll parrot what the (((television))) tells them 11/10 times +>nobody's trying to take your rights and freedoms now inject the poison before I report you for noncompliance +We've already lost everything but the illusion +--- 57913414 +>>57912982 (OP) +Just tell them they should make it against the law to commit murder. Surely that'll stop these criminals. +--- 57913424 +>>57913352 +>random homophobic tirade +--- 57913429 +>>57912982 (OP) +>you don’t care about dead kids +Neither do you, or you'd be against abortion +--- 57913447 +>>57913424 +>AIDS spreading degenerate butts in where nobody asked +It's not your fault you got molested, repent and accept Christ before it's too late +--- 57913458 +>>57912982 (OP) +>you don't care about dead kids +>no, you don't +>w-what +It's illegal to bring a firearm on school property, not to mention it's illegal to murder children (unless it's a woman having a abortion) so tell me how many laws will it take before some goes "well maybe I SHOULDN'T kill children!" +>e-europe and all the countries that banned guns- +They have migrant rape gangs that murder children and their government actively protects them, a victim of one such event got arrested for tweeting about her experience. These nations care even less about their children, it's only guns that trigger their outrage. +--- 57913466 +>>57912982 (OP) +They're the ones pushing for the destruction of the middle class and alienating young men, as well as taking away incentives for competent policing. We've compromised our rights since 1934 and it hasn't made a damn bit of difference. Finally, when we start to make progress, we're asked to make more sacrifices and when we refuse they're taken by unelected bureaucrats. Refuse to compromise any further until alternatives are explored. Actually address why these things happen, not how. The root makes the weed. + +For their part, republicans usually push the blame onto mental illness, but I've never seen them actually try to solve the issue. People need proper socialization, economic opportunity, and hope. Increasingly, all three have been eroded away. For our part as private citizens, all we can do is be open about gun ownership and normalize it, and be competent enough to quell violence if need be. Good gun owners still outnumber the bad ones, but there's a wide group of mediocre gun owners that needs proper training and familiarization with their equipment. +--- 57913470 +>>57913424 +>random +No, it was very directed. +--- 57913472 +>>57913447 +>make a public post on a public forum +>someone replies to it +>HEY BUTT OUT MISTER + +also aids is pretty much cured, sorry to break the news to you. +--- 57913481 +>letting a foid talk +shiggy +--- 57913484 +>>57913472 +>cured +>have to take meds for the rest of your life +Oh man the collapse is going to correct you real fucking quick. +--- 57913495 +>>57913470 +Fags and trannies have to make everything about themselves and their anal worms. It's part of the fetish. +--- 57913501 +>>57913484 +>banking on an apocalyptic scenario to give all your 'enemies' their comeuppance +--- 57913509 +>>57913495 +its literally only schizos and wannabe schizos on 4chan that obsess over anal worms. +--- 57913519 +>>57913509 +>WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH US +--- 57913537 +>CONSENTING ADULTS IN PRIVATE +--- 57913544 +>JUST MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS +--- 57913560 +>NOBODY'S COMING FOR YOUR CHILDREN +--- 57913571 +>>57913472 +>aids is pretty much cured +>until ten years hence when you faggots spawn another horrible disease +Monkeypox is no doubt just the next step on the epidemiological ladder for you gentlemen. See ya in a decade when super AIDS hits (or not) +--- 57913575 +>>57912982 (OP) +>Wtf do I tell anti gunners? +Nothing you dumb phoneposter. If you need to crowdsource talking points then you're best off avoiding the conversation entirely. +>OMG WHY DO YOU LIKE GUNS? +>Because I do. +--- 57913576 +>>57912982 (OP) +Gun control is racist. Why would you make laws that disarm the black community to save a few white kids? +--- 57913589 +>>57912982 (OP) +--- 57913590 +>>57912982 (OP) +Sell your collection now before it's confiscation, there is no longer any reason for anyone to have firearms. +--- 57913592 +>>57913571 +>monkeypox +--- 57913599 +>>57913124 +>the anti-freedom lack the agency to do anything about it so they might as well be left to cope and seethe +Pretty much this. Anyone who doesn't care about their freedom doesn't pose much of a threat. +--- 57913616 +>>57913429 +There's a difference between a kid and a fetus +--- 57914337 +>>57913273 +If you take away rights, you affect everybody, children are just a small small fraction of that population. Doesn't mean action can't be taken, but none that harms these rights. Don't ban guns ban idiots and crooks. Anything these two groups get ahold of will be harmful, going after each item piecemeal is a waste of time. +--- 57914370 +>>57913589 +One of the few good Stonetoss comics +--- 57914417 +>>57912982 (OP) +Honestly, I’ve began to feel this way too. If you check the news, there are multiple articles about mass shootings and other gun violence every day. A young girl was just fucking killed for pulling into the wrong house’s driveway. I used to be hardcore SHALL NOT, but my opinions have recently began to evolve. There’s just more and more evidence piling up every. Single. Day. I own AR-15s and AK-47s, but I’m starting to think an Assault Weapons Ban like the ones we have had before in this country are necessary. + +You dont need ‘em. Burglars mostly target empty houses anyway. If you’re that paranoid, buy a double barrel shotgun. +--- 57914426 +>>57914417 +Yes, Bill from Flyover Land, I agree that we must curtail firearms rights. +--- 57914432 +>>57912982 (OP) +>you don’t care about dead kids +Yeah, I don't. Fuck your kids faggot, protect them or deal with being a trans-parent. There, tell them that. Don't give a fuck about their feelings, maybe they'll buy a gun and protect their own fucking offspring rather than dump their responsibility on society as a whole. +>>57913037 +I don't care, my rights matter more than your life does to me. Your life is your problem, not mine. +>muh psychoes! muh feefees! +Don't care. Your problem, deal with it yourself. +--- 57914442 +>>57913412 +It’s insane how long this retarded facade is running. I’m not sure they will ever wake up it’s so obvious but for some reason people just keep going. +--- 57914473 +>>57913501 +>believing the current economic situation is indicative of anything but a massive crash and reset. +I’m not sure we live on the same planet anon. Our way of life is incredibly precarious improper management could easily spell disaster for all but the most wealthy among us and improper management is exactly what we’ve had for the past 120 years. +--- 57914475 +>>57913033 +>dubs of truth +--- 57914498 +>>57914442 +>I’m not sure they will ever wake up it’s so obvious but for some reason people just keep going +Because the blue pill life is easier to live than the red pill life. +--- 57914524 +>>57912982 (OP) +Just the sheer amount of citizens and arms the country has entails endless possiblilities, sadly this means mass shooters +--- 57914537 +>>57912982 (OP) +"History is longer than the 5 years you've been watching propaganda, and a disarmed population always gets fucked. Get over yourself, you're worse than a Christian with this self righteous bullshit." +They don't care about facts, so you just need to hit them where it hurts. +>>57913037 +You will never be a semite. You're an edomite twisted by rabbis and the Talmud into a crude mockery of God's chosen. +>>57913161 +based. +>>57913273 +simp. +>>57913472 +If it's cured, why do deplorable trannyniggerfaggots keep getting it? +--- 57914539 +>>57914417 +Damn nigger you peel this right out of a yahoo news comments section? +--- 57914554 +>>57912982 (OP) +If slavshitholewar threads are the price we have to pay for gun control discussion threads then I might just be ok with them +--- 57914558 +Stop watching the news. It does absolutely nothing to improve your life, it's explicitly designed to rile you up. +--- 57914573 +>>57912982 (OP) +>NBC nightly news was literally like 30% just shooting news +All media is propaganda, and it's all designed to program your opinion and give you talking points to parrot to your circle jerk of friends. +--- 57914601 +>>57912982 (OP) +>they can just pull the “you don’t care about dead kids” argument. What do I say to people who judge my hobby without sounding like a nutcase? +Tell them the infringement of rights isn't justified by said rights sometimes having bad consequences. Then give examples of other rights they wouldn't be comfortable with being infringed upon due to bad actors/consequences. +Cops conducting searches without probable cause/warrants (e.g., stop and frisk) because it means more criminals will be arrested. Prohibiting criticisms of government officials or politicians because sometimes criticisms may lead some people to become radicalized and commit terrorism. Prohibiting public protests because they sometimes turn into riots. +If they disagree with the 2nd amendment, put forth the argument that people inherently have the right to defend themselves using means that best ensure their survival. Ask if a person should be subject to death from attacks because they are incapable of or incompetent at defending themselves with their hands or melee weapons. "Should the elderly, disabled people, and women die because they can't fight off an attacker without the use of a gun?" +If they argue "assault weapons" aren't needed to defend yourself, highlight how they can give the individual the best chance of successfully defending themselves and only differ from other guns in their ability to use higher capacity magazines. "Should a person die from an attack because their aim is bad and they need more bullets than the capacity of guns you think are suitable for self defense?" If they argue you are unlikely to need an "assault weapon" or gun at all due to the relative rarity of self defense incidences, posit the example of fair trials. "Being falsely accused of a crime, like murder, is rare. Therefore, should unfair trials be used to convict all accused people because it will increase the conviction of people who are actually guilty?" +--- 57914605 +>>57913124 +>>57913317 +>>57913371 +>>57913382 +>>57913466 +>>57913576 + +These arguments are always against an assumed "them". Maybe it's hard to believe, but there are real, honest folks who respect the second amendment and are even gun owners, but still fear for their children's safety. I'm one of them, there are others. + +I do not want your or my gun rights stripped. I also don't want school shootings. I cannot understand why there can't be genuine discourse about a solution by cool-headed individuals. + +I refuse to accept that losing rights is a solution, and I refuse to accept that there is no other solution. +--- 57914606 +Anyone who makes these arguments is either completely ignorant or acting in bad faith. If the former (likely) educate them in ways they're receptive to: + +1. Point out how misrepresented "mass shooting" stats are, where most gun violence actually occurs, and who does it (without being racist). +2. Educate them how "assault weapon" is a meaningless term made up by the anti gun lobby to mislead people. +3. Explain that gun control disproportionately affects minorities who have to live in more dangerous areas and can't afford to go through all the hoops to get a gun. +4. If they say something like "ar15s are only designed to kill people", AGREE WITH THEM because it's true, and that's why it's an excellent choice for DEFENDING the home, family, children etc. +5. If they say something like "the US has way more guns per person than any other country, the problem is the guns, etc" inform them that if you subtract inner city violence in like 5 cities we're not even close to the highest country for gun violence. Gun owners are some of the most law abiding people. +6. "but guns are too easy to get" explain the actual process of buying a firearm, explain why the "gun show loophole" only applies to some PPTs and explain that most guns used in crime are stolen. You used to be able to mail order a gun from a magazine and no one shot up schools. +7. Don't fall into the trap of minimizing guns as "sporting" or "hobbyist" things. They're not, and that's how we get our rights taken away. +8. If they're someone you know personally, offer to take them shooting. Expose them to guns in a safe and responsible manner to show them they're not so scary. +9. Offer real solutions to (real) mass shootings like better access to mental health services without strings attached (no red flag laws), 2 parent households, and fostering a culture where we aren't so isolated. + +It's on us to be ambassadors for the guns. Guns don't kill people by themselves but they also can't explain themselves either. +--- 57914615 +>Wtf do I tell anti gunners? +You don't need to say shit +--- 57914628 +>you don't care about dead kids + +I don't + +and I'm tired of pretending I do +--- 57914629 +>>57913273 +>>57913291 +>if you're so worried about those kids dying, why don't we just make some new ones? +be a problem solver, be a man of action +--- 57914662 +>>57912982 (OP) +>NBC nightly news was literally like 30% just shooting news. +I watch PBS news which is even more turbo-lib (publicly funded version, but if I'm gonna watch propaganda I want it up front) and I've noticed this too. + +>What do I say to people who judge my hobby without sounding like a nutcase? +Not much really. IMO the problem with the "gun community" is that it's not really a community but a bunch of turbo-libertarians whose credo is that you don't have to take responsibility for anything except for yourself. I'm not saying form a national militia, but if your basic credo is that you should be able to carry a gun wherever you want for any reason, and "self-defense" is interpreted so broadly with these "stand your ground" laws, you're gonna get random gun violence for the most asinine reasons and more and more people are gonna get sick of it. + +It's like there's no context, only the most literal and literally retarded interpretation is allowed, much like a fundamentalist religion. Oh, some cheerleaders accidentally opened the door into my car, am I horny? No! I'm gonna defend myself! *starts blasting* (Not those kinda bullets either.) Because that's what I thought the "law" said I could do, which means I should do it because freedom. + +I can't solve it, but more cohesion and responsibility and organization would be better. But these idiots won't do that because that's the first step to taking their guns away. + +Not this either: + +>>57913124 +>At some point the whole gun community is going to have to unify under the banner of "fuck you I'll kill you and your family if you try to take my shit" +--- 57914686 +>>57912982 (OP) +Wilson combat channel made a great video with Massad Ayoob talking about this. They're short bites or something of the sort. +--- 57914702 +>>57914605 +It's you're responsibility to protect your children. If you send them to public government indoctrination camps and bad things happen you have to accept the consequences. +--- 57914719 +>>57914662 +hmmm +--- 57914733 +>>57914662 +This is some blood in the streets/literally like da really wild west bullshit argument I hear from retards trying to argue against concealed carry. +--- 57914754 +>>57914733 +It's not even Wild West bullshit. At least that was somewhat organized. At least that's what the movies told me. We're living in Judge Dredd universe where people are shooting each other over Big Gulps. + +https://youtu.be/0JnpynfwU70 [Embed] +--- 57914758 +>>57912982 (OP) +Just start pointing out that's it's disproportionally niggers, that usually gets them to change the subject. +--- 57914769 +>>57914733 +And you know what, and this might sound like concern trolling, but I want the gun culture to continue. I go to the outdoor chud ranges way out on the outskirts of town. I don't even agree with them about their lolbert ideas but I grew up here and they're more. organized. and responsible. You call the range officer "sir" and everything is safe and orderly. The way it should be. +--- 57914785 +>>57914754 +https://triblive.com/news/world/he-walked-into-a-virginia-beach-7-eleven-for-a-big-gulp-he-ended-up-shooting-2-robbers-killing-1/ +>guy shoots robber +Is this it? +--- 57914794 +>>57914733 +white will literally do anything to make sure their pet niggers aren't in any danger from those yucky psycho concealed carryers won't they? +--- 57914799 +>>57912982 (OP) +>What do I say to people who judge my hobby without sounding like a nutcase? +If you insist on changing hearts and minds, first start with taking people to the range. +--- 57914800 +>>57913114 +You're wrong. +Pointing out that innocents die is not a fallacy. You're just not willing to accept and admit that gun ownership leads to dead children and that is not a rational thing to do. +And i get it. You know if you would admit you were wrong (and surely you understand that *technically* you are) the opposing party may take you by your word and restrict your freedom, because that is the sane thing to do, but since you put your personal preferences first you choose to pretend to believe otherwise. +And that is anything but a rational, logical conclusion. It's ignorance at best, and idiocy at worst. Pick your poison. +--- 57914801 +>>57914702 +So your argument to the entire population who send their children to school (or, in your world, ever trust their well-being to someone who isn’t carrying at all times), is that they must accept the chance that they will be gunned down rather than any other possible change. + +Rationale and compelling. +--- 57914804 +>>57914801 +>country that allows apes and the mentally ill to run freely +>THE GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM + +Nah +--- 57914807 +>>57914800 +>gun ownership leads to dead children +No, it doesn't. Saying it matter of factly or getting upset while saying it doesn't make it true either. +--- 57914810 +>>57914605 +>I cannot understand why there can't be genuine discourse about a solution by cool-headed individuals. +Because the debate is too weaponized and is incentivized to be all or nothing. Imagine if you were willing to offer concessions. Now realize we've had 30 years of concessions without getting anything in return, and the offending legislatures don't care. +--- 57914821 +>>57914769 +What does shooting range etiquette have to do with concealed carry? You act like the people who bought guns for defense a different from those that bought it for other reasons. I may agree with you while mentioning that those that bought them for defense probably took at least a first shots class and therefore better and safer than some dirt shooter. +also +>chud +>lolbert +kys they're literal opposites you faggot. + +>>57914754 +Is the story here >>57914785 the one you were thinking of. Because it sure isn't random killings like muh bong comics. +--- 57914824 +>>57914800 +>gun ownership leads to dead children +>what is the causal fallacy +Go back. +--- 57914827 +>>57914801 +All of them means all of them, fuck off. If the kids of antigunners die, it's a positive anyways because now they're out of the gene pool. +--- 57914834 +>>57914605 +My impression as a non American nogunz: There are multiple facets to school shootings, but banning guns is the easiest one to latch onto and implement (but also one of the least effective, short of a complete ban of firearms across the entire continent, and even then that's going to cause tons of issues). Guns are also an easy and unsolvable issue for D and R to rally their supporters around, while preventing public concensus on other issues. +--- 57914845 +Who cares what they think? We live in a world where CAD files for lowers are open source and can be 3D printed to make reasonable firearms. + +Ask the gov how making the RSA algorithm a state secret, or trying to make encryption illegal, or how fighting the war on drugs went for them. +--- 57914853 +>>57914821 +I'm mainly talking about an ethic and sense of social responsibility. There's that saying "an armed society is a polite society." Where I go shoot, it's strict and orderly but people are also polite and (basically) look after each other, and while you can't demand that an armed society act like all the time, there's a reason for that at this particular range. I think you can have an armed society that's like that, but that's not the one we have, which is a problem. So the logical implication is that we should work on fixing that problem. +--- 57914858 +>>57914804 +No one said that in any way shape or form. + +I am the guy who posted that I am a concerned parent as well as a gun owner. I respect the second amendment and do not want to lose my guns. In no way do I think guns are the problem. That doesn’t nullify concern for children getting blasted in school. + +And so far, that’s where the gun community really does not have their shit together. Instead of saying “Look, I know this situation is fucked, let’s work together to figure it out”, it’s bullshit projection and whataboutism like this post. +--- 57914874 +>>57914858 +Wanna help prevent kids getting killed? Stop letting staff leave doors unlocked and maybe keep a resource officer on site +--- 57914885 +>>57914810 +So what’s your alternative then? I do not see the gun community putting out anything that even resembles an alternative solution to the problem. +--- 57914890 +>>57914858 +>And so far, that’s where the gun community really does not have their shit together. +Not that anon. Bills are being rejected by antigunners all across the country to actually increase security in schools, whether via SROs, metal detectors, etc. Antigunners want their kids to have less practical building security than the offices their parents work in. + +Don't look at gun owners for turning down those solutions. And since I don't believe you, post guns. +--- 57914895 +>>57914874 +To my knowledge, there is no evidence that having a permanent SRO at a school reduces the rate of shootings. Feel free to correct me if you have evidence to the contrary. +--- 57914902 +>>57914853 +>ethic and sense of social responsibility +This is what the US needs but will never get because we have too many people in too many races pitted against one another. My range is public with no RSO and we all self police and are always safety conscious. Gun owners who actually go to the range are just higher quality people on average. If you took every legal gun owner and made a country out of just them, crime would be virtually zero. + +>>57914858 +I agree with this too and many others likely do as well. The problem is we don't have any godo solution oriented representation out there. At best we just have muh freedoms which is a lot better than nothing but republicans are too busy infighting now. + +>>57914885 +There are plenty, you just have to look. I wish we could treat fat people the same way and call on them for solutions to obesity related deaths. Not that fair though. +--- 57914912 +>>57914885 +You assume an alternative is necessary. School shootings are sensationalized, and the actual odds of being in one are 1 to 10,000,000. But if you insist on an answer, maybe fund, retrofit and staff schools to have the same security bar as at least a podunk state courthouse. +--- 57914916 +>>57914824 +I wonder how timmy would shoot up his school if he didn't have access to his daddies AR15, his dad didn't bother to lock away because he doesn't take gun ownership and gun safety seriously. + +Those people shouldn't own guns, and neither should convicted criminals or mentally ill people, and I'm tired of pretending this is an extremist opinion. +--- 57914918 +>>57912982 (OP) +"fuck off" +--- 57914923 +>>57914895 +School shootings are so rare vs other gun crime that it's pretty much impossible to get any meaningful stats. + +>>57914916 +Felons already can't own guns. I'm hardline 2a but I support charging the parents of mass shooters if the kid took one of their guns. +--- 57914925 +>>57914916 +I'm up with there with charging the parents as an accessory to the crime myself +--- 57914933 +>>57914916 +Concern troll elsewhere. Post guns or go back. Pic related, it's to make you feel sad about yourself. +--- 57914934 +https://youtu.be/pHRZhS8GTc0 [Embed] +--- 57914938 +>>57914890 +If that is the deal then I would like to see more about that, preferably specific cases that I can study. If so, then the gun community should be shouting their multiple plausible, well-researched proposals to the roof tops as their best defense against antigun crowds, not the drivel most anons are posting here. + +I would be open to that but I’m in a hotel. I only own a Chinese SKS hand me down and a 22 I’ve had since I was 12. Like I said, not part of the gun community, but a believer in the 2nd amendment. + +I live in Maine. All of my friends and family own guns, hunting is everywhere, I even have two close friends who work for SIG. my area is full of people like me who own guns but aren’t generally “gun people” +--- 57914958 +>>57914938 +I'll humor you for a bit longer. If you're from Maine, you're used to a different breed of antigun argument. Come out to the west coast, or New York, and you'll find people and politicians whose sole overriding focus is "get rid of guns, no matter which, no matter what." These are people and politicians who will support and ram through blatantly unconstitutional bills through their supermajority controlled legislatures (as an example, CA US district courts just struck down microstamping twice and CA DOJ declined to appeal microstamping, and yet CA legislature is, you guessed it, voting on a new microstamping bill). + +You don't get it. The antigun people there, the antigun politicians, don't care about actually fixing the problem, because fixing the problem gets in the way of their actual goal discernible from their actions - to make it as challenging as possible to own firearms. When your opponents don't actually care about solving school shootings, nothing you can do will bring them to the table. +--- 57914961 +>>57914912 +Necessary to who? Rarity aside, it is necessary to me as a parent that any reasonable precautions that can be implemented without stripping rights should be implemented. + +I do not expect that I’ll get in a deadly car crash, and I don’t want to give up my car because it is statistically possible. + +I put in car seats. Give me a reasonable, rationale, car seats solution to this problem. +--- 57914972 +>>57914961 +School shooting death odds for your children are literally lower than car deaths, car seats or no. So you can solve that problem by doing nothing. You completely glossed over the "harden schools" bit, so no more (You)s for you. +--- 57914994 +>>57912982 (OP) +"Gun control promotes inequity and undermines social justice. My rights are your rights." +--- 57914995 +>>57914958 +You’re right, I don’t get exposed to that type of argument and I don’t plan to anytime soon. + +If it’s to that extent, then it seems the only course of action is to calmly advertise and push realistic solutions. That should be the hill to die on. Let the the other side cast themselves as the voice of lunacy while your level-headed, responsible gun community pushes a unity voice of reason. + +It’s each extreme end thinking they are battling only each other, and forgetting that there are plenty of people like me in the middle just looking for some sanity. +--- 57915004 +>>57914961 +Here's a few. + +>Locked exterior doors +>Windows too small to walk through or with wire in them so when shot can't easily be walked through +>At least one armed staff member on site at all times. Doesn't have to be a safety officer can be a teacher/etc as long as a gun carry/storage solution is worked out +>Effective lockdown procedure, regularly rehearsed +>provide local law enforcement with plans & keys of school, have them do active shooter drills on campus +>provide an actual "safe space" for troubled kids to go for help + +Get involved with your kids' school board and help make it a safer place. +--- 57915009 +>>57914995 +You're looking for a third way in a slow motion war. Sorry dude, wars don't come with rational brakes. The closest you're going to get is in progun legal arguments with judges. +--- 57915010 +>>57913466 +Don't forget the rampages that occur whenever the administration gets fucked in any way! +--- 57915027 +>>57914972 +I realize that and don’t disagree with you that it’s unlikely. That doesn’t change that if reasonable safeguards exist, they should be employed. + +I did gloss over that but didn’t intend to. I’m posting in bed and tired. If that’s a reasonable solution that can be put in place, then I would be all for it. I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m saying informed solutions are needed, not a bunch of hysteria, projection, and whataboutisms from both sides. +--- 57915053 +>>57915004 +My children’s school does all of those things except the windows. I believe in Maine it’s mandatory, but I could be wrong about that. I would be shocked to hear about any school that doesn’t have at least a rotating SRO, lockdown procedure, locked doors, and a mental health program. +--- 57915070 +>>57915053 +Most schools on the west coast and in inner cities have no SRO, because it's "such a mental burden for troubled youth" to be in the same building with SROs. Metal detectors or wire in glass are often out because "schools shouldn't look like prisons". And the recent Nashville school shooting had unlocked doors. The shooter skipped over another school they deemed "too hardened." +--- 57915089 +>>57915053 +Being in Maine you're pretty insulated from a lot of that bullshit given how ethnically homogeneous you guys are. I forgot to mention having multiple trauma kits on hand to immediately have supplies ready. TQs, chest seals, etc. It sucks to have to think about it but ever classroom has a fire extinguisher despite kids not being allowed to start fires either. Follow up personally with your local sherrif on what their plan would be for a school shooting and how equipped they'd be to respond to one. Hell, even have a plan for yourself if you get a call that its going down and your kids are in school. Uvalde parents hopped fences to get their kids out. What would you do? Do you have a med kit in your vehicle? Do you have your ccw on you? + +>>57915070 +This too. Mass shooters are all cowards looking for a 'no russian' tier experience. The more you can do to make it clear your school is not that, the less you have to worry about. +--- 57915187 +Lack of discipline and paternal guidance is the major issue and guess what a majority of shooting perpetrators have? +This used to not be an issue back when target shooting was taught in schools as a DISCIPLINE +--- 57915218 +>>57912982 (OP) +Im german, i often use the Czech argument if people are like "well when we delete gun laws we will have shootings like in america" +The czechs have similar gun laws, but dont have the shooting problems because they actually offer help to people with mental problems and got a welfare state which makes sure peoples basic needs are met so you dont have joggers capping people for some bread (and creating more cost for the taxpayer in the process) +--- 57915250 +>>57915218 +Yeah, always fun when they then try to counter with "well you can't compare Germany with Czechia/Switzerland" as if they didn't do that moments before with the US +--- 57915298 +>>57913352 +Irony has always been a cloak to get a Trojan horse into 4chan's various cultures. +Not that every dick putting on a skirt at the range wanted miles of cock up their ass. Not that everyone saying nigger actually wished he could curbstomp every coon he saw. +But a few of them weren't ever joking. And after a few years the sea changes could be pretty big. +--- 57915311 +>>57915250 +yeah but i will argue that they very much are, Czechs are just east german speaking some slavic shit. +>drink absurd amounts of beer, make good beer themselves to +>economically strong +>been an essential part of "germany" for the longest time in modern history as the kingdom of bohemia +>almost all their famous people like Kafka were germans +--- 57915329 +>>57912982 (OP) +You make rational logical arguments, use real data, cite your sources, use their sources against them if they offer any (adding back intentionally skipped context is the easy way), and give them a taste of their own medicine when it comes to being accused of being an awful person. Even if you can't change their mind there may be lurkers who are still on the fence. + +One of the easiest things to do is let them show the world they are the crazies and awful people, not you. It gets easier the angrier they get so long as you keep your cool and think. You can also make them look awful in other ways. Every time they bring up the militia cite Title 10 U.S. Code § 246 (Militia: composition and classes) remind them they are sexist because women are not militia unless they are NG or naval militia (Organized militia). Call them out as racists trying to disarm minorities and the poor. If you lost a family member because they couldn't defend themself whether it was to a criminal or an animal absolutely bring that up, especially if rape was involved. By trying to disarm the law abiding they are actively trying to empower rapists, thieves and murderers. Don't let them take the moral high ground, bury them under it. + +Also know when to quit. There are people on this earth you couldn't convince "the stove is hot" even if you turned on a burner and held their hand down on it. This is the sort you're dealing with. One of the dumbest things I've ever experienced personally was when I provided a decade and a half of UCR data to a lunatic and they, without a hint of irony or sarcasm, claimed the Obama era FBI was bought and paid for by the NRA. Shit like this is common. + +Finally, ensure you have a weapon suitable for modern use (the ones they're trying to ban), ammo for it, it's in good working order, and train regularly. Regardless of what they say you should have a gun and be willing to fight to defend your life and liberty. It is straight up your duty as militia. diff --git a/k/57912990.txt b/k/57912990.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..baaa9169cffba43838c9574266b168c1c63a4279 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57912990.txt @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@ +----- +--- 57912990 +Is there a PCC out there that takes Beretta mags which doesn't look like an early 90s satam cartoon idea of what guns would look like in the future? +--- 57913014 +>>57912990 (OP) +The CX-4 is a pretty nice gun, really. +--- 57913042 +>>57912990 (OP) +sub-2000, but unless the folding/storage feature has a use for you I'd get the beretta while they're cheap. +--- 57913125 +>>57913014 +I make no comments about how good or bad it is, just that it looks like Cobra Commander should be using it to fire blue lasers at the Joes. +I guess there are replacement stocks, but still +--- 57913220 +Ambidextrous +--- 57913227 +>>57913042 +I do like takedown shit. I actually have been doing a lot of looking at the Ruger PCC. If the bastards just made a Beretta mag well for it I'd own it already. Some guy on Ruger's forums 3d prints one and sells it for 40 bucks but he says shit like 'made of medium-durability material, limit magdumps!' which doesn't make me have high hopes for its durability. +I have heard the Keltec is underwhelming, ftr. +--- 57913531 +>>57913125 +>it looks like Cobra Commander should be using it to fire blue lasers at the Joes +You say that like that's a bad thing. +--- 57913588 +my brother recently bought one of those from a friend, I forget for how much. Are they any good? +it came with a few extra mags, and a red dot +--- 57913609 +>>57913588 +I got one for $400 with a red dot. I like it. Light, comfy, lots of rail for optics. Disassembly is weird. Comes apart like thing you'd find in the kitchen. + +Beretta mags are one of the cheapest options for ban states. +--- 57913627 +>>57913531 +Can anyone suggest a sight that'd fit the style of the gun better than a big red dot like that? Makes the gun bulky and top heavy. +--- 57913788 +>>57913014 +eh, not for how much they want for it. i'd honestly rather have a hi-point carbine or lelkek. +--- 57913808 +I WANT A 357 MAG SEMI AUTO CARBINE WITH DETACHABLE MAGS AND I WONT STOP MENTIONING IT IN EVERY PCC TOPIC I SEE UNTIL I GET IT +--- 57913877 +>>57913808 +https://thearguy.com/products-page/di-gas-operated-uppers +--- 57913914 +>>57912990 (OP) +I'd like it if the barrel didnt stick out more than an inch from the handguard and the stock was replaced with something retractable. +Its direct blowback so it probably has some kind of funky buffer shit in the stock so maybe you cant dremel it off for a folding stock, but some magpul style stock in there would look way better than whatever the fuck it has right now. +--- 57915075 +>>57913227 +so figure it out yourself and print it in glass filled nylon or something diff --git a/k/57913070.txt b/k/57913070.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..68342e58c0130670147e6cdb4eb9ac35312437bc --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913070.txt @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +----- +--- 57913070 +How effective are surface to air missiles compared to just having aerial superiority? I heard the US prefers to just have the latter and the former is a secondary thought. +--- 57913121 +>>57913070 (OP) +They're a lot better than nothing, but that's basically their role, being better than nothing. They're static defenses and thus doomed to lose against a competent enemy with the same level of money invested in planes, the hope is they slow the enemy down enough they can't crush you from the air while your other forces conclude the war. +--- 57913166 +>>57913121 +I was under the impression that they were an area denial asset, assuming they were so effective that being in their range was a huge risk. The downside being that they were static or at best, slow to move around. +--- 57913491 +>>57913070 (OP) +They're effective enough that right now neither Russia and Ukraine are particularly able to penetrate each others' airspace with anything bigger than drones and their jets hug the ground when they even get close. They've effectively denied anyone from having air superiority the entire conflict. +Historically America goes SEAD mode and attacks anti-aircraft weapons with aircraft and it works because America. But this is always a first, critical, very difficult stage of the war because as long as the SAMs still exist there is no air superiority and air superiority is a prerequisite in every American plan. diff --git a/k/57913460.txt b/k/57913460.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d6e7b54d91b47c2354b5c54811ea428441d84fb7 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913460.txt @@ -0,0 +1,47 @@ +----- +--- 57913460 +Good morning my friends +Today's Somaliland war update goes as follows +>Local Elections in Somaliland happened today, and got the first time women were elected into parliament +>Somaliland showed off some new artillery and some American Volunteers were spotted speaking to the camera +>In the last 48 hours Somaliland has denied both china and 15 western countries to end it's war against somalia +>Somaliland adopted a new war slogan "not one inch" +Here's the video with the new Artillery +--- 57913463 +>>57913460 (OP) +--- 57913474 +>>57913460 (OP) +There are reports that this Artillery was spotted but I don't believe it +--- 57913479 +>>57913474 +--- 57913489 +>>57913479 +My bad hered the link +https://twitter.com/3othmanB/status/1648519792767426565?t=V04mLPVXHWcJzvbqH3g7gQ&s=19 +--- 57913626 +>>57913460 (OP) +> Local Elections in Somaliland happened today, and got the first time women were elected into parliament +30 years was a good run for a breakaway state without no recognition. Nice knowing you all. +--- 57913663 +>>57913626 +Unfortunately +--- 57913672 +>>57913626 +My theory is that they did it to force western powers into supporting them +Since somalia usually doesn't have great women's rights records +--- 57913832 +so is somaliland biafra 2.0? +--- 57913849 +>>57913819 +lol fukken racist chingchong +>>57913474 +LOOGA BARAN YOU SAY? +--- 57914269 +>american volunteers +How does someone get in on this? Do they only accept Somali diaspora or will they take others? +--- 57914922 +>>57913474 +Israeli made ATMOS 2000 for those wondering +--- 57915037 +>>57914269 +Don't. You'll be the only person with an above 85iq. Just because Somaliland niggers are smarter than Somalian niggers doesn't mean they are smart. Don't put your life in their hands. diff --git a/k/57913570.txt b/k/57913570.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..32f1d2f61aa625043c4f3bfb6be800610e675b91 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913570.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 57913570 +What Do? +--- 57913619 +>>57913570 (OP) +shoot first retard +--- 57913890 +I killed someone in a similar situation. +>in a hasty vehicle checkpoint to catch a fleeing suspect vehicle +>vehicle stops, driver and passenger are uncooperative, refuse to identify themselves or exit the vehicle +>refuses to wind down backseat windows so I punch my muzzle through the window +>3 people in the backseat with a wool blanket over them +>middle guy produces an AK from under the blanket +>see that the selector is on safe +>see him pull the trigger, see him notice it was on safe and move his hand off the trigger guard to go for the safety +>immediately shoot him in the face +>double tap the man closest to me in the face and stitch the one farthest to me up from his sternum to his forehead with another 5 rounds +>both passengers have been shot by someone else by this point +Everyone in the vehicle was armed, the idiot in the middle just decided to start a gunfight with his rifle on safe +--- 57914458 +>>57913890 +I was the driver, I clapped when this happened diff --git a/k/57913607.txt b/k/57913607.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ad6e70e880154888711b953ef83a5133b616a98d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913607.txt @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +----- +--- 57913607 +Why is psyops a thing? Don't you agencies have better things to do? Fuck off, I just want to talk about random shit with people online. +--- 57913630 +>>57913607 (OP) +>you: I think about psyops everyday +>CIA bot: I don't think about you at all +Have a burger and relax, friend. +--- 57913643 +>>57913607 (OP) +Nobody on this board is worth psyop’ing +>inb4hurrdurrnicetryfed +--- 57913644 +>>57913607 (OP) +Election season is soon plus big board related event means you get 4chink turning gay(er). +--- 57913649 +>>57913607 (OP) +Are you retarded? You really think that feds have our best interest? We have documented proof of the psyops they ran in the past, there is no reason they would have stopped. +--- 57913694 +>>57913649 +>feds: protect powerlines, kill russians, don't afraid of nothing +>schizos: protect trash in their rooms, kill cute animals, constantly afraid of police and niggers +What a hard choice to make [laughs] +--- 57913701 +>>57913694 +>t. Langley +--- 57913715 +>>57913607 (OP) +>the CIA niggers in the walls are trying to psyop me +--- 57913758 +>>57913607 (OP) +I'm the victim of a Fed psyop. For years they've been targeting me. I've been exposed to their subliminal messages and propaganda that told me not to smoke. To this day, I've never touched a cigarette. It's so fucking over. +--- 57913927 +The point of communication and the language and media spawned from it--is to psyop, gaining access to other individuals. It is not hard to see why it is used in control in unbalanced manner by those seeking to outpower others thus heavily sought after ways to dominate it. +>Don't they have better thing to do? +They are paid. And for the worth doing bullshit is financially better than real work with real risks. +--- 57914535 +>>57913607 (OP) +Sorry anon it's my job and you gotta do what you gotta do. Just don't tell this to th +--- 57914692 +>>57913607 (OP) +It doesn't feel like anyone here even gets any fun out of guns anymore. +When did this stop being a place where retards could be retards, free from irony and shame? +Where did the magic go? +--- 57914708 +I hope we can transfer bots into a body and then execute them for crimes against humanity +--- 57914713 +>>57913607 (OP) +'psyops' are how feds trick their bosses into paying them to shitpost all day +--- 57914738 +>>57914692 +Gook Moot doesn't care about this place so long as the money keeps coming in, reactionaries infiltrated the mod teams via dedicated discord groups, and the feds recognized that this was where the zeitgeist was after 2016 happened and that brought the special interests in. + +This place is beyond saving. +--- 57915055 +>>57914692 +>It doesn't feel like anyone here even gets any fun out of guns anymore. + +When the Ukraine donation scam started. +--- 57915072 +>>57913643 +There probably is a certain amount of feds on this site. But the majority of the psyop budget is probably going towards Twitter, Facebook, and other normalfag sites rather than here. +--- 57915142 +>>57913607 (OP) +Just because retards like making fun of you online doesn't mean they're feds. +--- 57915148 +>>57913701 +>t. Mom's basement diff --git a/k/57913629.txt b/k/57913629.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bfe6db1338d46efb5720012f5f345077276c55ca --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913629.txt @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +----- +--- 57913629 +Do they hate the Chinks enough to ally themselves with quasi-ally United States in a Chins/USA conflict and potentially deploy troops in defense of Taiwan? +--- 57913645 +>>57913629 (OP) +They would almost certainly be neutral. +--- 57913653 +>>57913629 (OP) +They may hate the Chinese, but their upper echelons of politicians are bought out by the Chinese. They will probably stay out of any war at least in the military realm. +--- 57913675 +>>57913629 (OP) +>Do they hate the Chinks enough +they had literally a millennium of wars with China. they certainly have it in them +--- 57913676 +>>57913629 (OP) +Their official policy is neutrality - The Three Nos. I don't see any signs of them giving it up completely. +In practice, they would likely align, but not ally with the USA in a South China Sea conflict. Otherwise, they would be neutral in a global conflict. +--- 57913683 +>>57913629 (OP) +The US has them completely subdued economically so they would align with the United States but not deploy troops. I could see them massing armies on the border at the behest of the US in an attempt to divert Chinese forces to a potential invasion. +--- 57913687 +Only if they get to show off the absolutely badass orange bakelite furniture they made for the m16's they have left. +--- 57913689 +>>57913629 (OP) +Their politicians are completely cucked. +--- 57913697 +>>57913629 (OP) +I don't think they will intervene militarily, they definitely prefer the US, but the ideal World for them is one where China doesn't chimp out and Vietnam can play both sides for profit. They aren't going to completely isolate themselves from China in the hopes that they could salvage some sort of functional relationship with them. +--- 57913720 +>>57913629 (OP) +Vietnam will do nothjng untill the last moment when China is already collapsing to nab its border outposts back, which is great for us. Vietnam is not a military power and instead of giving the chinks a place to bomb and show its people that its totally winning while Anerican troops take Shanghai and Hong Kong is just something that doesnt favor us anymore than its current neutrality does +--- 57913732 +>>57913683 +>The US has them completely subdued economically +On what basis do you say that? +--- 57913970 +>>57913629 (OP) +Neutrality, trying to avoid becoming too dependent on either the U.S. or China, while strengthening their overall position. Recent article about U.S.-China competition in "Communist Review," a magazine produced by the CPV. (It's on their website.) Implications for Vietnam: + +>Regarding foreign policy adjustment, with the current trend of US-China competition (comprehensive competition but within a controllable level) and the adjustment of policies of other major countries ... Vietnam needs to take advantage of favorable opportunities to continue promoting ... the foreign policy of multilateralizing, diversifying, and strengthening cooperation with all countries, including strategic relations with major countries (including China, Russia, the US...), as well as developing important relations with other countries. + +>In terms of improving self-reliance, this is a factor that is consistent with the general trend as well as the development requirements of Vietnam in the long term, from fundamental factors such as education, health care, environment to research ability ... production, trade, as well as actively participate in supply chains, fight to protect sovereignty of sea and islands, participate in shaping international rules... With the trend of adjusting policies of major countries related to US-China competition, Vietnam needs to continue to strongly strengthen international cooperation to take advantage of many common points of interest, avoiding dependence on any either party, continue to improve self-reliance in the process of national development. +--- 57914100 +>>57913970 +Also an article from last year by Vu Khoan, former secretary of the central committee. I'm reading this as, basically, a big war would not be in their interests since their economy doesn't have a strong industrial footing. + +>Firstly, the current fluctuations and in the coming years signal a very insecure and uncertain period, directly affecting the construction and defense of our country. In order to protect the Fatherland, besides the requirement of maintaining sovereignty, territorial integrity and socio-political stability, Vietnam also has to deal with many "traditional" and "non-traditional" challenges ... such as natural disasters, serious enemy sabotage, and instability in economy - trade, finance - currency, transportation - supply of many key products, such as energy, food... as well as threats related to tension, political and security confrontations in the world and in the region. + +[...] + +>Right from the beginning of the 60s of the 20th century, our Party placed a high priority on the industrialization of the country, in which the scientific-technical revolution was the key ... But for many reasons, this policy has not been implemented ... If there are big disturbances, our economy will fall into a very difficult situation. In the current complicated situation and in the coming years, the task of building an economy that is independent, self-sufficient, resilient and adaptable to changes in the world directly or indirectly affects our country becomes a very important requirement ... our country always adheres to the foreign policy of independence, self-reliance, peace, friendship, cooperation and development, diversification and multilateralization of foreign relations ... in order to avoid falling into a "dilemma" in international relations, the above countermeasures need to be applied in a very mobile, flexible and sophisticated manner. +--- 57914126 +There is no way they won’t be neutral. I expect they will close parts of their waters and seethe and Chinese incursions into it. China might demand use of their ports. I really can’t see them being anything but a Sweden +--- 57914132 +>>57913629 (OP) +No, they only want to defend their waters and in this manner the Chinese can piecemeal achieve all their aims in time +--- 57914159 +>>57913970 +Wtf, they still have Marx and Lenin shit? +I get they're communist, but I'd think they tone it down a bit +--- 57914207 +>>57914159 +Yeah but I think the reality is that it's probably more like the PRI in Mexico and a lot of this has symbolic significance at this point. They roll out the theatrics during party conferences and things like that. This is the Ho Chi Minh Youth: + +https://youtu.be/Kr5xJpt7sKg?t=40 [Embed] +--- 57914276 +>>57913970 +With Russian export arms imploding, who would they go to for resupply or high end stuff? +--- 57914306 +>>57913629 (OP) +Half Chinese with a smidge of vietnamese, and I've known some Vietnamese people. I've learned not to tell them about my Chinese ancestry. Yes, China is their ancient enemy. Communism was apart of a nationalist movement that had existed in Vietnam for a thousand years. +--- 57914315 +>>57914276 +Israel and Korea +Vietnam has been trying their stuffs for a few years already, especially Israel +--- 57914448 +There is 0 reason for any SEA countries to actively joins either side in a war gone hot scenario. They will align as other anons said, but they will do their best to stay out of it. +--- 57914460 +>>57914448 +Filipinos will let the US use based on their islands to conduct strikes, and the Indonesians or Malaysians might want to use it as an excuse to attack Singapore or something retarded. Myanmar might also do a bit of chimping out, and china might demand the use of ports/land inside of Vietnam, Laos or Myanmar. But broadly I agree with you +--- 57914576 +vietnam doesn't really have a modern armed forces at all +--- 57914595 +>>57914576 +that's what you're supposed to think, try yelling "tiến lên" on a Vietnamese walking trail +--- 57914959 +>>57913629 (OP) +vietnamese here, the current geopolitic situation has made things awkwards +on internet, commies are still shrieking anti US stuffs but go silent immediately or only repeating government statement when it comes to China +on national level, the gov tries to play nice with both china and USA, since economically both are too important. US presence in south china is a plus overall, because they dont support any territorial claims, but they are there to cockblock chinese dominant in the region + +In case of conflict, vietnam wont join any side, but the gov may enjoy some benefits of china being fucked out of south china sea +--- 57914973 +>>57913687 +Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter... diff --git a/k/57913779.txt b/k/57913779.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d2e8ad374b7a18d8beb1b76e03fa518a5587b8f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913779.txt @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +----- +--- 57913779 +What are the tactical implications of using mechs as cavalry units? +--- 57913785 +>>57913779 (OP) +You forfeit any and all tactical advantage, as usual. Fuck off to /toy/ +--- 57913786 +>>57913779 (OP) +--- 57913791 +>>57913779 (OP) +The tactical implication is that your acquisition officers might have brain damage. +--- 57913797 +>>57913779 (OP) +there are none, mechs are in the category of looks cool but will never be useful +--- 57913807 +>>57913779 (OP) +Mechs are worse at everything. You are better off using a fucking pickup truck with a .50 cal on the back then wasting any time on a mech. +--- 57913810 +>>57913779 (OP) +where are the hands +--- 57913870 +You write your name in history as being hyperbased and making no-fun-allowed autists seethe for eternity +--- 57913901 +>>57913779 (OP) +It makes the Coordinator proud of you +--- 57914008 +>>57913810 +Based VOTOMS chad +--- 57914951 +>>57913779 (OP) +None. Mechs and small exosuits are best used alongside drones for hard-target raids, conducting or breaking seiges in urban environments, and conducting presence patrols where tracked or wheeled vehicles can't maneuver, like Grozny... + +Hydrogen fuel cells are the only viable power sources for mechs and exos, and even so they can only afford MAYBE an hour of heavy use. + +Deploy them first to clear the LZ and make a door, then unload the doorkickers, doorkickers kick doors while mechs provide flank security or act as a blocking element, doorkickers grab whatever or whoever they need, mechs deploy smoke/CS gas and pull security until extraction. + +I suppose you could seat two mechs on the back of a 5-ton for conventional offensives, but you'd need conventional air and armor to make sure the mechs reach their target. +--- 57915008 +>>57913779 (OP) +A better use for a "mech" would be an extendable cherrypicker on one of those new armored car drones. Slap a minigun on the cherrypicker turret and it could peek over walls, into multiple story buildings, trenches, while hulling down. Defensively you could dig it in like a tank and have the turret peek up periodically to suppress enemy locations or pop off an ATGM from 15 ft above your defensive line. +--- 57915028 +>>57913901 +The gayest one cos its named after Bruce Jenner ha +--- 57915081 +>>57913779 (OP) +High unit morale due to hot female pilots. diff --git a/k/57913891.txt b/k/57913891.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e14089cd1c0da2473591e402106ff6002b83294 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913891.txt @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +----- +--- 57913891 +>After determining the Lampyridae's design to be viable, development activity proceeded to the construction of a single three-quarter scale piloted aircraft. During 1985, wind tunnel testing of the design, including at transonic speeds commenced; two years later, a number of manned 'flights' inside the wind tunnel were performed, during which the favourable high-quality aerodynamic properties of the design were documented. During 1987, the existence of the Lampyridae project and its design was revealed to the United States in the form of a group of United States Air Force (USAF) officers, who were shown the piloted model, which was kept in a closed-off section of MBB's manufacturing facility at Ottobrunn, Bavaria, Germany. That same year, the Lampyridae project was terminated for unspecified reasons; diplomatic pressure on the part of the US has been attributed. +>The Lampyridae programme was conducted between 1981 and 1987. The reasoning behind the programme's unceremonious cancellation during 1987 is unknown, there having been no announcement on the subject made by either by MBB nor the government of West Germany at the time.[4] Aircraft publication Aviation Week attributed alleged closed-room pressure tactics on the part of the United States, who had recently been made aware of the programme's existence and not wanting a competing stealth aircraft to their own efforts to come to fruition, as having played a key role in its termination.[6] +Why didn't the US want West Germany developing a stealth fighter? +--- 57913911 +It looks like the product of an F-16 and F-117 having a long night together +--- 57914047 +>>57913891 (OP) +Because the Krautoids can't be trusted. They're almost as bad as the Fr*nch +--- 57914068 +>>57914047 +What do you mean? +The stealth radar deflecting shape was based on their own R&D, they weren't deriving it from the F-117 which was still classified at the time. +So what couldn't they be trusted with? +--- 57914092 +>>57914068 +>what couldn't they be trusted with? +A halfway competent military +--- 57914097 +>>57914068 +The Russians are using, for example, French designed and made optics. And the Chinese use derivatives of Siemens to rail technology to transfer Uyghurs like Jewish cattle. +The Europeans are not sufficiently skeptical. +--- 57914104 +>>57913891 (OP) +>http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/f-35as-still-grounded-luke-afb-after-hypoxia-reports +Cool source, Wikipedia. +--- 57914113 +>>57913891 (OP) +Because the Soviets would have caught wind of it and tried to create counter measurements against it, which would greatly hampered the already existing stealth fleet. While i enjoy the idea of having a stealth fighter being made by Germany, it probably would have caused more trouble than it was worth. + +t. German +--- 57914155 +>>57914104 +the Firefly is not the F-35 +>>57914097 +They'd be using the poorer quality export model +Which they French would know all the capabilities and weaknesses of +Trains have been around a long time +>>57914113 +Well they eventually learnt of the F-117 a few years later and even got debris in the 90s and have done nothing with this knowledge +--- 57914199 +>>57914155 +>the Firefly is not the F-35 +Yes, but you copy pasted Wikipedia. +And the source of it being American pressure that lead to the cancelation is a retarded national interest tier "enthusiast news" website. +--- 57914223 +>>57914199 +did the Americans not influence the decision? +--- 57914232 +>>57914113 +Or would have tried to create their own, which would have opened an entire different can of worms on top of that. +--- 57914247 +>>57914223 +Do you have anything substantial to show they were? +--- 57914265 +>>57914232 +>late 1980s soviets trying to create a stealth plane +kek diff --git a/k/57913994.txt b/k/57913994.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ec52efb3e30cb2cc2092d5d524be9b840240a5dd --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57913994.txt @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +----- +--- 57913994 +The pros +>9mm +>8 rounds +>defaults 3 dots sights are good +>sighs are Glock 43 compatible so you get the entire G43 sight aftermarket +>non-problematic trigger +>very good ergos, fits great to my hand +>great stipling, very good grip +>Made by american workers under american company +>normal prices are way under MSRP +>comes in black, gray and peanut butter + +The cons +>tough slide release button +>bad mag release button + +Should I get this if I just want something to plink cheap 9mm for fun? I want to support american workers and I already have a good 9mm home defense setup and 9mm beater gun. I want something that feels good to shoot and still keep nice and clean and support american workers with my dollars. +--- 57914166 +>>57913994 (OP) +Sorry, this is the russian invasion board. +--- 57914195 +>Open thread +>1 reply +>1 poster +Get Help. diff --git a/k/57914165.txt b/k/57914165.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..872421d065fd69d1f46e8ef10a01856931421969 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914165.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 57914165 +You know the drill +--- 57914185 +>>57914165 (OP) +looking for a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range +--- 57914334 +>>57914165 (OP) +Selling a black Surefire Warden + coyote brown BPG blast device cover. Zero rounds through it. $125 shipped for the package. +--- 57914386 +>>57914334 +Email inbound diff --git a/k/57914275.txt b/k/57914275.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c4a77672cf61fb77b2a979d585866e13b666e98d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914275.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 57914275 +This is a sign from the gods. Gun related things will happen soon +--- 57914310 +Do british people actually exist? I mean, they must be a meme, there is a not a single thing about them. And I mean it. Let's go through the evidence: Where are they from? Not a single country in the world is named Britain. Some people say they come from England, and England is inside Britain, but if that was the case they would be British they would be Englanders. Also, heard some silly theories about them coming from whales. Guys, no, whale people do not exist. Whales live in the sea. There is a consensus on british people coming from Europe, but then we are left with a whole continent of possible locations. That's as good as nothing. What do they eat? Every country has at least one main dish. Even the US has their burgers. But these british people, what do they eat? Heard some people associating them with tea, but everyone knows that's an Asian thing. Shouldn't they come from Europe? One of these two points must be wrong them. To me, it looks too sketchy. What language do they speak? I challenge you, putting all my money and my ass on the line here, to find a supposed ""british"" person speaking their native language. Most of then just speak a broken ENGLISH. Yes, english. Really suspicious, huh? And I even tried to look deeper into it. Maybe british just SOUND like english, just like spanish could sound like portuguese for a non-speaker. So I looked up "british dictionary on google" and what I found was shocking: every word in there was AMERICAN. I kid you not. What this could mean is beyond my capabilities, but I can safely assure you that british people do not exist. +--- 57914470 +>>57914275 (OP) +How many dead vatniks today? +--- 57914479 +>>57914310 +--- 57914483 +>>57914275 (OP) +Fuck ya mudda +--- 57914507 +>>57914275 (OP) +Are gonna do a cum tribute to the murder/k/ube? +--- 57915033 +>>57914275 (OP) +How's the weather in India today, sir? diff --git a/k/57914311.txt b/k/57914311.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..009bdc4bb2680b57aa96812000a0d7b5bfd20f58 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914311.txt @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +----- +--- 57914311 +What is the most historically significant model of gun? +--- 57914318 +M1911 +--- 57914325 +>>57914318 +fpbp. Also /threat. +--- 57914333 +>>57914318 +>>57914325 +Name one noteworthy person who was ever shot with a 1911 +--- 57914350 +>>57914333 +Jim Bagleaducia. +--- 57914527 +>>57914311 (OP) +Avtomat Kalasnikova 47 +--- 57914528 +>>57914311 (OP) +The Lebel. +--- 57914538 +Ma Deuce +--- 57914556 +>>57914311 (OP) +M2 Browning, Breech Loaded Artillery, Musket, Artillery Luger, 1911 in that order. +--- 57914564 +>>57914311 (OP) +My dick +--- 57914677 +>>57914311 (OP) +there's a million answers to this. +1. The first machine gun, I'm a fag someone can reply with the name, I forgot. Maybe also the gatling gun. Unlocks modern warfare. +2. The literal first boomsticks which spread the tech. First handheld weapon in the gunpowder tech tree +3. the sturmgewer or however the krauts spell it. AK47 just copied it for all intents and purposes. Intermediate cartridges was a big unlock in the tech tree that led to all modern fighting rifles +4. The 1911 seems to have led to modern pistol design. Tilting barrel shit. Or it at least popularized it +5. M1 Garand. First adopted semi auto boomstick as the army's main gun. Burgers were on this shit in the late 1920s or so, while every other country was in the stone age through ww2. +6. M16, a plastic gun that all the Fudds hated or said was ugly. But today nearly all guns are plastic guns that use innovations made for this thing (rails, modularity) +7. moist nuggets. 1800s gun still used in war today, what can I say +--- 57914721 +>>57914311 (OP) +It depends. +For America, probably the Brown Bess or Henry rifle in the long term view, and more recent term 1911 or M16. +For Europe, probably the Lee–Enfield. +For the Second and Third World, AK-47. + +I don't think there's one overall. +--- 57914751 +AKM +--- 57914783 +>>57914677 +>I'm a fag someone can reply with the name +maxim gun + +>AK47 just copied it for all intents and purposes. +the only thing to be used in the AK from the STG is intermediate cartridges, and not even the same one +its mechanically closer to an M1 garand +--- 57914788 +>>57914311 (OP) +Glock. +You know it's true. +--- 57915285 +>>57914783 + +More Asian cope, they steal so much from proper humans. The vatniks are no different diff --git a/k/57914563.txt b/k/57914563.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dbe7f5945318edb59abca61c416989ec74f7c322 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914563.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 57914563 +Why do thermal imaging devices cost thousands of dollars when they are literally just cameras? +--- 57914569 +>>57914563 (OP) +Yiff in Hell +--- 57914617 +Because theyre literally not just cameras. And even if they were a good camera is still thousands of dollars. +--- 57914620 +>>57914563 (OP) +im trans btw +--- 57914650 +>>57914563 (OP) +>>57914569 +>>57914617 +>>57914620 +Fuck ya mudda +--- 57914849 +>>57914620 +hot +--- 57914854 +>>57914617 +>>57914849 +>>57914620 +>>57914563 (OP) +YIFF +IN +HELL +--- 57914878 +>>57914854 +If God didn't want me to Yiff then why did he put talking animals in the Bible? +--- 57914919 +>>57914563 (OP) +germanium lenses that take alot of raw Germanium to be refined into a lens. +Cameras cost alot and thermals require hardware that almost instantly convert various wavelengths into viewable thermal signatures while also remaining cool +--- 57914969 +>>57914854 +>yiff in hell + +ok diff --git a/k/57914588.txt b/k/57914588.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..615fe652ce9bdf05aa98993163904645491a864a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914588.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 57914588 +If the Germans had the same suicidal fanaticism the Japanese did how much longer would it have taken for the allies to reach berlin? +--- 57914598 +>>57914588 (OP) +They would have gotten there faster because more germans would have died more quickly as a result +--- 57914641 +And yet the Germans fought to the end while the Japanese got upset over a few bombing raids and having to seriously fight the Soviets for a change +--- 57914647 +>>57914588 (OP) +No, when the Germans failed to take Moscow in 1941 it was over. The sensible thing to do would have been to not commit fucking war crimes from the Polish border up to the outskirts of Moscow, attempt to kill as many Soviet soldiers as possible, destroy all lines of communication and fall back to about the current day Belarusian-Russian border. At point they should have sued for peace with the threat that if the war continued the Russian people would be exterminated. Best case they keep Poland and a chunk of the USSR and Hitler goes down as one of the greatest military minds to ever live. +--- 57914663 +>>57914588 (OP) +a few hours, maybe half a day +--- 57914665 +>>57914588 (OP) +>expending valuable manpower and personnel in one-way attacks instead of withdrawing +war would have been shorter and more intense as each defensive pocket has to be reduced totally but they will run out of reserves much faster + +the only reason it took so long to take germany was because they had committed totally to the defensive and were willing to give ground for time up until they had no land left to give +--- 57914675 +>>57914665 +>the only reason it took so long to take germany was because they had committed totally to the defensive and were willing to give ground for time up until they had no land left to give +What the fuck are you talking about? Germany made constant attempts to attack for the entire war. +--- 57914699 +>>57914675 +>What the fuck are you talking about? +germans were on the strategic defensive in the latter half of the war +they were aware they couldnt win by 1944 and had began focusing on defense + +>Germany made constant attempts to attack for the entire war. +germans would make tactical counter-attacks but they knew the initiative was lost and were just stalling +the battle of the bulge shows exactly why offensives that late in the game was dumb, it wasted valuable reserves that would have prolonged the war by a few months +--- 57914725 +>>57914699 +>they were aware they couldnt win by 1944 and had began focusing on defense +They were out of the war by 1943 and pissed away their few intact divisions. Their "defensive" planning in 1944 or 1945 was irrelevant. + +>the battle of the bulge shows exactly why offensives that late in the game was dumb +The battle of the bulge is also kinda irrelevant, you should research what happened on the eastern front for the full "Hitler was a fucking moron" experience. +--- 57914806 +>>57914588 (OP) +Germany fought more to the bitter end than Japan. Mainland Japan wasn't even invaded. diff --git a/k/57914594.txt b/k/57914594.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bf0108c863e219eeb07e15845df380797f91b07f --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914594.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 57914594 +BMP if Russia wasn't corrupt/incompetent +--- 57914773 +>>57914594 (OP) +noice +I like modern chink gear +--- 57914963 +>>57914594 (OP) +a cv90 clone? +--- 57915021 +>>57914594 (OP) +Russia has a smaller military budget than UK while maintaining the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, they have an oversized military which largely functions on the back of cheap junk from the 80s they would never be able to afford large scale modernization. +--- 57915063 +>>57914594 (OP) +>believing a country would have a standing army without corruption and competence in the first place. + +It’s a sign of low IQ to think that a country needs something but only has an inferior model of something because of reasons. + +The entire concept of standing armies is beyond idiotic, every tank built, no matter the quality just makes it worse. + +If you would wake up as the leader of a new country that just spawned into existence and want to create a military from scratch with tanks and airplanes and current wunderwaffen whatever they might be, you are either bleque or sub 90 IQ. + +In a competent, non corrupt society IFVs, tanks, Aircraft carriers and all the other outdated obsolete trash would not exist. +--- 57915080 +>>57915063 +Explain your schizopost further +--- 57915120 +>>57914963 +Does the CV-90 have a BMP-3 turret (100mm + 30mm gun)? +--- 57915173 +>>57914594 (OP) +>>57914963 +--- 57915228 +>>57915063 +What the fuck are you talking about retard? So the corrupt countries can bitch you around or better yet take over your country because you're too stupid to have a standing army? Jfc the absolute state of you. +--- 57915241 +>>57915063 +What kind of schizo rambling is this? +--- 57915301 +>>57915173 +>visible extra fuel tanks on the back +Will eastern fags ever stop bolting fuel tanks and logs on the back of their armored vehicles? diff --git a/k/57914696.txt b/k/57914696.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3b854ba87b4194b73ce8f00d1becd5bc1138c992 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914696.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 57914696 +that a bullet shot straight head lost speed and / or eventually succumbed to gravity. +ever put on camera ? +--- 57914729 +>>57914696 (OP) +You mean a bullet slowing down from air resistance and falling into the dirt? +If so then yes, this is a readily observable phenomenon. +--- 57914735 +>>57914696 (OP) +This is bait +--- 57915189 +>>57914729 +can you link me? +--- 57915197 +>>57915189 +>tracer rounds diff --git a/k/57914722.txt b/k/57914722.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3ab55c93420991fa0873382cc84e39ee71c0a73d --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914722.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 57914722 +ITT post your favorite helmet decorations, be it graffiti or decorative objects. Post your favorite/interesting helmet designs too. diff --git a/k/57914736.txt b/k/57914736.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9de65f6260b979c7086d71f4ede34cb2ec4856a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914736.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 57914736 +I hope your hellfire platform does have an avenger attached to it, anon. +--- 57914742 +>>57914736 (OP) +needs more missiles +--- 57914936 +>>57914736 (OP) +brimstonebros... why do we keep losing? diff --git a/k/57914832.txt b/k/57914832.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..97057dab929cbf1357e167fd7d75cc9992f39d5a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914832.txt @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +----- +--- 57914832 +LETS GOOOOOOOOO + +Has it finally begun? Will we soon see ukranian leopards preforming deep operations and destroying all vatnik troll farms that shitpost here constantly? Will we finally be free? + +https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-latest-defense-ministry-192522233.html + +https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcIhH1Vmz8I [Embed] +--- 57914851 +>>57914832 (OP) +Mud debuff is still active, no offensive yet +There may be some preliminary shaping operations happening however +--- 57914856 +>another Twitter offensive +--- 57914864 +>>57914832 (OP) +Probably staging and recon given the week of rain expected in Ukraine +--- 57914866 +>>57914856 +that means another tactical feint from pussya +--- 57914881 +>>57914856 +last time another twitter offensive happened you people lost kherson +--- 57914977 +>>57914864 +Isn't there around 2 weeks of rain in the south before relatively dry weather? Good time for shaping I guess. +--- 57914989 +>>57914977 +Can't wait for the constant +>BLYAT WE WILL DESTROY KIEV WE WILL NUKE LONDON +threads every time an ammo depot blows up. +--- 57914996 +>>57914989 +Fuck, those days of mental hospitals for disabled cancer stricken children staffed by autistic teenage volunteers going boom were absolute kino. +--- 57914999 +>>57914856 +Why does Russia respond to twitter offensives with real life retreats? +--- 57915002 +>>57914832 (OP) +A new identifying mark has been spotted, last time it happened was during Kherson +--- 57915003 +>>57914856 +your last twitter offensive went like picrel pidor +--- 57915006 +>>57914996 +It's going to be fucking hilarious when the Russians discover that HIMARS can hit battalion level ammo storage and command posts too. +--- 57915019 +>>57915006 +recently HIMARS was also used against tank/APC pushes and artillery groupings.There was a vid of one rocket clonking two tanks somewhere in the east. +--- 57915023 +>>57915019 +I saw a video a few months back of HIMARS hitting a few trucks parked together on the side of a road. I just can't fucking wait for some Russians on the front to completely lose contact with high command, right before a tank charge. I'm gonna nut just thinking about it. +--- 57915024 +>>57915019 +That's what happened when the Kherson offensive started too. Anything effective was basically dead tens of kilometers into Russian lines +--- 57915191 +>>57914832 (OP) +I'm so fucking stoked boys. I bought a 1/34 scale m2a2 I want to modify to the 47th. Anyone know the best T-55 kit to use for the M-55? I'm just assuming a M-55 at 1/34 doesn't exist. +--- 57915321 +>>57914856 +Чeй Хepcoн? diff --git a/k/57914833.txt b/k/57914833.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..58f4a5301fc7769d429c5adca53613ab0c07130a --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914833.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 57914833 +>tiny, low profile +>2 of them form a 10 man squad +>good dismount protection +>dismounts lie down in their own separated cubbies, have an emergency escape system +>40mm heat substitutes AP rounds, 40mm HE is more effective than a 50 cal +>easily mountable powerful aps up front +>uparmorable +what's wrong with it? +--- 57914847 +you already made this thread, a 40mm armed APC is fine (give it a coaxial 7.62) but your hotwheels coffins are retarded +--- 57914850 +>>57914833 (OP) +Need vehicle dimensions, ammo storage locations, and electronics placement information +You’ll also need at least two of these for effective dismounts given the propensity for atgm equipped squads along with an lmg and grenadier +--- 57914952 +>>57914833 (OP) +>>57896324 → +stop shilling your shit rhomboid hull vehicle, last thread is still up and you already made another, your idea is shit and gee I wonder why no one has made a rhomboid hull vehicle, any guess OP? +--- 57915011 +>>57914833 (OP) +honestly 7/10 bait I nearly replied seriously. +--- 57915172 +>>57914847 +it's not a towed coffin, it's a hole inside the vehicle with rollers for easy access and dismounting +--- 57915283 +>>57914952 +the hull shape is the least retarded thing about this design though, it's just a pbv 302 with flaps + +like there's literally nothing wrong with "can full of man with a 40mm" except OP's insistence on storing the dismounts prone and ejecting them like a pez dispenser +--- 57915313 +>>57915283 +the pez thing is there so that the vehicle can be as short as possible. +--- 57915323 +>>57914833 (OP) +This already exists +--- 57915334 +>>57914833 (OP) +Nigga please, they did the coffin train already +--- 57915338 +>>57914833 (OP) +This Dude is designing some cursed ww1 IFV prototype that you would find randomly on wikipedia with the only evidence of its existance being some low quality photo that had coffee spilled all over it diff --git a/k/57914914.txt b/k/57914914.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..85ebf361a786f62886865d992ac80d7fe3d26140 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914914.txt @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +----- +--- 57914914 +How does one defeat these monstrosities? +--- 57914917 +>>57914914 (OP) +My dick +--- 57914927 +>>57914914 (OP) +shoot it +simple as +--- 57914928 +>>57914914 (OP) +trench warfare +--- 57914929 +>>57914914 (OP) +High frequency satellite-based pulsed particle beam weapon. Completely silent and invisible. Kills instantly without a trace, anywhere on Earth. +--- 57915005 +>>57914914 (OP) +Now I wonder if 1000lb of TNT blown inside the vortex could disrupt this fucker. +--- 57915032 +>>57914914 (OP) +Use a gun +And if that don't work +Use more gun (Nuke) + +You don't nuke the actual cyclone/tornado tho, you use it to influence the weather so it peters out. +--- 57915045 +>>57914914 (OP) +the whirlpools in my bathtub can be disrupted by placing the rubber ducky in them. so I propose constructing giant duckys that can be deployed during tornado season +--- 57915049 +>>57914914 (OP) +You could make a pile of bodies as big as that tornado using all the dead vatniks at Bakhmut, don't you think, sir? +--- 57915050 +>>57915005 +I think a small nuke would be enough to destroy the tornado +--- 57915124 +>>57915049 +literally obsessed +--- 57915136 +>>57915032 +i feel as though a nuclear explosion would be big enough to disrupt the airflow causing a tornado +--- 57915147 +>>57914914 (OP) +Funny how we can create weapons powerful enough that in sufficient quantities could erase everything on this planet, but there's still little we can do to protect ourselves from the windy boys, which have been wrecking us since the beginning of time. One would think we would have figured out some way of stopping them by now +--- 57915163 +>>57915005 +No. Because the thing is created by two converging fronts. Blowing up the center of it just makes a new one very shortly. +Think of a bathtub emptying but you disrupt it by blocking it temporarily. +--- 57915178 +>>57915124 +You're right, obsessed with a city they can't even take after 8 months of trying +--- 57915179 +>>57915147 +Like a few anons have said, nukes would kill them. The problem is that you would likely damage anything you were trying to protect in the process, or waste a million dollar weapon on every single one before it forms (hundreds a month in the central US) +--- 57915182 +>>57915163 +>two converging fronts +So basically missionary + +Based on that you just need two diverging behinds. Like ass to ass. + +Or you could just go inside the Tornado© and spin the other way really fast or something. +--- 57915202 +>>57915182 +You would have to be able to create a counter pressure in the center of the tornado, using farts or something. +--- 57915233 +>>57915163 +>>57915179 +>>57915202 +Sooo... what about termobarics? BLU-96 or something? Or just leave a fuckton of ethylene oxide on the way of tornado, the fucker mixes it with air by itself, and then ignite all that shit with a proximity fuse shell. diff --git a/k/57914974.txt b/k/57914974.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..14c1a679af17184d24763114fa91ae44209a7836 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57914974.txt @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +----- +--- 57914974 +>Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut +--- 57915068 +russia might actually lose the battle of bakhmut + +picture of a concerned frog here +--- 57915088 +>>57914992 +Eyebrow status? +--- 57915096 +>>57915068 +mite b cool +--- 57915110 +Latest reports describe West Bakhmut having an extremely large white arrow pointing east painted on it. +--- 57915122 +>>57915068 +If that happens pidorstan will never hear the end of it, lmao. I would kill to see a repeat of Operation Uranus happening in Bakhmut. +--- 57915151 +>>57915068 +>might +I called this shit more than six months ago +--- 57915205 +>>57914992 + +200k dead and counting Ivan. +--- 57915230 +>>57915205 +Well they missed so who's the real loser here? +--- 57915243 +>>57915230 +--- 57915253 +>>57915230 +>Well they missed so who's the real loser here? +--- 57915258 +>>57914974 (OP) +Legally taken Hohol +--- 57915264 +>>57915205 +This is what always gets me about these. Historically, lots of losses came from POWs, not just killed and injured people. So surrendering is a large part of warfare +But how do you surrender to a drone? It can't police you +--- 57915265 +>>57915230 +I mean the dude crawling around in a war zone without a weapon desperately begging a robot not to kill him is definitely not winning +--- 57915276 +>>57915264 +There’s been at least 2 videos of dudes surrendering to drones. One was the last guy standing in his unit and he waved a white flag at it and the drone started guiding him in the direction of where to go to surrender. +--- 57915284 +>>57915276 +Link? That sounds awesome and should be done more +--- 57915310 +>>57915205 +actually, 600 billion have been killed so far. +--- 57915317 +>>57915284 +Idk /r/ukrainewarvideoreport or /r/combatfootage or something from fall probably +--- 57915320 +I like how the cat-enjoyers have been shifting the narrative over the last month or so from "Russia can’t take Bakhmut" to "What an embarrassment it’s taken so long" and when the last holdout retreats and the city is taken they’re going to STILL post the cat during the mop-op phase. When the town is completely secured the narrative will be "Master plan to bleed the Russians and protect more vital areas". In fact you people are already setting up the final narrative now that it seems like the fall of Bakhmut is imminent. +--- 57915325 +>>57915320 +...in just 2 more weeks +--- 57915327 +Shit's fucked tho. +--- 57915336 +>>57915320 +>the narrative + +Stopped reading there. +--- 57915337 +>>57915320 +I've told you this before, sillyhead. No one here gives a shit about the city of Bakhmut. None of us have ever heard of it before this battle +The only reason we're making fun of you for it is because it's taking you 300 years to take it +--- 57915340 +>>57915320 +>when the last holdout retreats and the city is taken they’re going to STILL post the cat during the mop-op phase. +What do you mean? The city is already legally captured and occupied. diff --git a/k/57915016.txt b/k/57915016.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9eed8b05cf67536d4ed541fbb1c3aa74261b8d37 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57915016.txt @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +----- +--- 57915016 +How come there isn't something like a snow blower so infantry can plow trenches within the cover of the trench? +--- 57915029 +>>57915016 (OP) +because snow is much easier to remove when compared with dirt, and thats not even getting into other factors such as the higher likely hood of encountering rocks, roots, quality of the soil, etc +--- 57915139 +>>57915029 +couldnt they make something between a cheap snow blower and pic rel though? +--- 57915171 +>>57915016 (OP) +Brits made a machine in ww2 ""kinda"" like this, called the cultivator. It wasn't ready in time for them to use it by the time the blitzkreig advanced and afterward they abandoned the project. +--- 57915177 +>>57915016 (OP) +https://sofrep.com/news/cultivator-trench-digging-machine/ +--- 57915290 +I fix snowblowers the Army fucks up. Regular Joe sometimes tries to run on stale watery ethanol gas or feeds their impeller gravel. 11B will shred the $800 auger tub clearing hardpack to bare tarmac without skid shoes installed or snap the metal choke linkage off trying to turn a dial counter-clockwise instead of 90deg clockwise to the clearly marked "run". Certain enlisted are surely the reason for the "auger dismembers hand" warning pictograms. + +Yes, specialized man-portable power entrenching equipment is possible. So far insurmountable problem: creating a general-issue machine that's as idiot-proof as equipping everyone with E-tools or more immediate and effective than letting the combat engineers handle it with one of their wonderful toys. +--- 57915304 +You know that machine that shits out a rope full of C4 to blow up mines? + +Combine that with one of those machines that lay down fiber cable underground without disturbing the top soil. + +Blow up the C4 rope. + +????? + +Trench. diff --git a/k/57915131.txt b/k/57915131.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..810e53733932dccec09ff411ec821a23f09754d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57915131.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 57915131 +How is the United States military addressing the documented #Mulegap? diff --git a/k/57915149.txt b/k/57915149.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..53cff2f4b2c68ef378acb538de59bbed31104afb --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57915149.txt @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +----- +--- 57915149 +I love guns all my life and I'm tired of being a nogunz faggot. But I also don't want to suck up to a boomer Schützenverein for >1 year straight, that's why I want to visit a 3-week hunting license course. Since it's a lot of money, I want to choose a good school, so it works out. Can you recommend a good hunting school, ideally in Niedersachsen, but Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Schleswig-Holstein and nothern Nordrhein-Westphalen would be fine too. I live in Bremen, but in my gigacucked state there isn't a course like that. Is it as ultra hard as people say or do they exaggerate? Are some schools or Bundesländer "easier" than others? Did you do a 3 week hunting course abd if yes, what was your experience? +I know I'm counting chickens before the eggs are hatched, but my first pistol is gonna be a 1911 long slide and my first rifle a SVD (clone) diff --git a/k/57915261.txt b/k/57915261.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..db9eb68ecaf517b72eb2f6be5cb71e18a87e1d9e --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57915261.txt @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +----- +--- 57915261 +>*KNOCK* *KNOCK* *KNOCK* +>ANON! YOU BETTER NOT BE SMOKING THAT GANJA IN THERE, ARE YOU? diff --git a/k/57915293.txt b/k/57915293.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..57080ade832aeafe578d9843eb2347ca5c49d4cf --- /dev/null +++ b/k/57915293.txt @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +----- +--- 57915293 +Is it possible to actually completely eliminate illegal guns and ammo in private ownership? +How many firearms are secretly owned in places with extreme gun control and penalties like China and Singapore? And most importantly, is there a fool-proof way of hiding them from the state? Today with metal detectors and sniffer dogs it seems almost impossible if they search your house.