diff --git a/lit/21909823.txt b/lit/21909823.txt index 9a951eec789f53312157ce044a10c097c5ea7f31..2c2784c6d8aadb2b5b3f983d100d03c25e1c432c 100644 --- a/lit/21909823.txt +++ b/lit/21909823.txt @@ -771,3 +771,451 @@ Capital method --- 21949769 >>21949108 Unreal tried to have Lucas Bineville assassinated. Very overblown! +--- 21950024 +>>21949769 +I'm thinking based +--- 21950069 +>>21949674 +Okay I can just submit to the email? A print issue sounds great. Also don't take drugs you miserable fuck I don't judge you for it but it's not good to kill yourself. I listened to you on the podcast and you sound like a good guy. +--- 21950179 +>>21948537 +Yes. I didn't want to name names, but it seems to be Atlas. +Hey, Atlas +--- 21950195 +>>21948363 +Email me bro. Admin@LampByLit +Going over the whole thread now. Fucking wild the amount of samefagging and impersonating goes on. I’m pretty sure there’s one fag ruining everything. And there’s only like four of us ITT IRL. And I know Oggy is rangeb& so that leaves three. +>>21949107 +(You)>>21949158 +>>21949126 +>>21948404 +Buddy. Thank you. I’ve lost five homies now. Not as hard as 8 and not all of them brothers but it’s a curse for sure. Vancouver is a cursed land my dude. I mean that. Zulu said he wants to roadtrip this summer. I’m saving up for this. If anyone can make it happen it’s him. And I’m moving out of the city to my nazi compound in the gulf islands after my court. Jk sorta. Need to go back to the sea. Absolutely devastating the mess I’m in. Love you my Niagara. +>>21948473 +Based. I swear god zulu wrote this. Do you see how clairvoyant I am?! +>>21949108 +>>21949121 +>>21949126 +Samefag. Sounds like Gardner. Remember I’m clairvoyant. +>>21949155 +I’m officially opening submissions for 016 right now. HMU. And if I don’t see movement on Greatest Hits soon I’ll move on that too. The dudes in the inbox would never fuck with it. I have a drive backup for all emails and I can tell who does what. They will behave themselves. They’re either in the lab or procrastinating, very normal editor behaviour. +>>21949243 +Because Reddit-tier amounts of grooming and faggotry inevitably generate on Discord. Put a name above anybody’s comment, and watch the fun disappear. +>>21949557 +Pics or it didn’t happen +>>21949769 +Man I’m actually reading his book. It’s not good but it’s huge. Says something doesn’t it. +>>21950069 +Okay deal. One step at a time. Submit to &amp now. Issue Sixteen shall hereby commence. I’ll put a thread up after this epic/gay thread dies. I want to hold space for Unreal. +>>21909823 (OP) +https://youtu.be/989-7xsRLR4 [Embed] +--- 21950216 +>>21949302 +This comment is so based it gets it own reply. +--- 21950854 +>>21949674 +who’s trying to gatekeep writing? +--- 21950917 +>>21950854 +Trannies obviously +--- 21951046 +>>21909823 (OP) +Reminder that these guys are loons. They sent an associate of theirs to my hometown, harassed my mother, asked questions about me. Luckily I wasn't there. Whole neighborhood was in a ruckus. All just because I wouldn't publish with them. Fuck Unreal Press. +--- 21951074 +>>21951046 +then everybody clapped +--- 21951088 +>>21951046 +They threatened Spencer Weedman’s family, they’re dangerous +--- 21951159 +Oh yeah? You know what they did to me? Right after I submitted a story they somehow found out where I worked and sent a male stripper to my workplace. But jokes on them, everyone enjoyed it, and hey, free lap dance! Dude had a huge schlong too. +--- 21951294 +>>21951159 +Unrealcucks don’t have enough funds to pay for a male stripper, so it was probably one of their associates doing it on a volunteer basis. +--- 21951342 +>>21951159 +>>21951294 +>dude had a huge schlong + +That rules out anyone involved in Unreal +--- 21951585 +>>21951088 +Who the fuck is Spencer Weedman. It's probably you cause no one knows who that is. +--- 21951605 +>>21951585 +The dude who wrote Egregore, one of the more successful /lit/ books +--- 21951702 +>>21951585 +this guy +--- 21951773 +Lots of bullshit here, but Lampguy - if this is you - best wishes. You're the real deal. +--- 21951820 +Don't expect this post to stay up long. Unreal is in my house right now. I declined to publish with them a week ago and today they sliced circles from the glass of my windows and killed my wife, children, and dog with a series of silenced gunshots before they let themselves inside, pistols drawn and ready. I am hiding in a closet and I can smell smoke. The only reason I could have survived is because it's Monday and they expected me to be at work. That's all I can think about right now as my entire world comes to an end: they were just trying to send a warning. I called 911 and told them what was happening and the dispatcher told me to come out of the closet and stop wasting people's time. +--- 21951852 +>>21951702 +same energy +--- 21951861 +>>21951820 +>I called 911 +Ari’s back at it again, LARPing as usual. +--- 21951870 +>>21951861 +What will we ever do with the boy? +--- 21951876 +Holy cringe +--- 21951881 +>>21951876 +which part +--- 21951885 +Why are Unreal people like this? I thought this was supposed to be a fun collaborative project? +--- 21951898 +>>21951885 +There's two sides to every story. Some of us don't know what to make of all this yet. There is a lot of accusations flying around though.for sure. +--- 21951938 +>>21950195 +Do you have my American Psycho essay submission? Emailed it a while ago. I didn't put my pen name in the doc but you can use the name I used for "Face of Carthage." Also don't forget: repeating digits, Silian Rail font and Bone color background (like Patrick's card of course). +Do you want anything else from me for 016 like a short story? Or should I wait until 017? +--- 21951946 +>>21950179 +I doubt that she’ll be back. Using the same username for her email and her Twitter was a big mistake. +--- 21951953 +Guy guys guys, I just want you to know that I'm so heckin CONCERNED right now with the way things are going with these writing groups. Yea they're productive but do they realize how CONCERNED I am? I just hope everyone is as CONCERNED as I am about REPUTATION and WHAT OTHERS THINK, because I think all /lit/ adjacent groups need to make a joint press conference live on YOUTUBE.COM AND TWITTER.COM to just address just how dang CONCERNING some things are that I- I mean totally random and uncoordinated people are spamming in every thread about months old very very SERIOUS e-drama. +--- 21951959 +>>21951953 +stop concern trolling +--- 21951973 +>>21951953 +It IS CONCERNING. I’m also CONCERED and I think I’m going to post my CONCERN everywhere I possibly can, even on REDDIT, because SUBSTANTIATED or not, it’s a BIG cause for CONCERN CONCERNING THE CONCERNED! +--- 21952003 +CONCERNINGLY CONCERNED about these things that I'm CONCERNED about. +--- 21952005 +Yeah this thread's dead. Going to email Ryan tonight. +--- 21952019 +So this is gonna be every &amp thread now? An Unreal circlejerk until they get annoyed and start posting people's faces? I think I'm good. +--- 21952026 +>>21952003 +Yes you are RIGHT, everything is VERY CONCERNING and everyone should be CONCERNED. +--- 21952036 +>>21952019 +>unreal circlejerk +It’s unironically some bitch fucking with a boy she likes. Nothing to do with unreal, &amp, or /lit/. +--- 21952043 +>>21952036 +proof? +--- 21952048 +>>21952026 +Oh so VERY CONCERNING! But let us not worry! Tis just a little CONCERNING! Oh me, oh my! +--- 21952057 +>>21952043 +You see the faces being posted? One is the guy, the other is the girl trying to fuck with him. Don’t believe me if you don’t want, but the giveaway should be the doxxing of some girl considering there are literally no women on 4chan +--- 21952061 +Concerning ahhhhhhhhh please pay attention to me +--- 21952066 +>>21952057 +They shd just get it on allready +--- 21952068 +>>21952057 +probably unrealcucks posting a random girls face or dragging up her info from sm in one of there secret doxxing dm groups +--- 21952070 +Another great showing from Unreal. Surely this newest dox will save 4chan's literature scene. +--- 21952085 +>>21952070 +Haven’t all of these people been doxxed before? +--- 21952087 +>>21952085 +Am I supposed to follow your discord tranny drama close enough to know that off hand? +--- 21952094 +>>21952005 +Who the fuck is Ryan? Your husband? +--- 21952151 +>>21952094 +The editor being interviewed in the OP video. Did you even watch it or are you just here to shitpost? +--- 21952153 +>>21952151 +Unreal Press podcast episodes hit different when they’re on mute. +--- 21952166 +EDITOR-SAMAAA! Come back and save us from the Unreal brotherhood’s coordinated doxxing efforts! +--- 21952199 +>>21951820 +KEK +--- 21952210 +>>21952043 +fuck you. Blow a proctologist and jump in a volcano. +--- 21952216 +>>21952070 +unironically yes. +--- 21952228 +>>21909823 (OP) +>365 views +How small is this garbage heap? +--- 21952233 +>>21952228 +This is the 4th thread they've made advertising this one video. It's actually embarrassing. +--- 21952247 +>>21952210 +no fuck you man. i’m just asking for proof that unreal isn’t behind this shit, which it seems like they are +--- 21952287 +>>21952216 +How exactly will it do that? +--- 21952310 +>>21952287 +Every enemy of Unreal is an enemy of /lit/. +--- 21952311 +I like Zulu Alitspas writing. Is he a villain in any of this or can I continue to root for him? +--- 21952318 +>>21952310 +Who is an enemy of Unreal? The &amp best of guy? +--- 21952346 +>>21952311 +t. Zulu +--- 21952367 +>>21952311 +Fuck off Zack Alan Smith, stop trying to shill. Your writing is garbage and you’re a 30’s NEET living with his dad who somehow thinks he’s going to be an award winning author and filmmaker. You have a room temperature IQ and you’ll never make it in this business. +--- 21952396 +>>21952048 +TRANderSEN is doxxing himself and trying to frame Rhyme for it. Believe nothing that he says. +--- 21952438 +I can't believe all of these sociopathic haters would dox themselves to spite Unreal. Does their evil know no limits? We should all watch this OP video again to show support for Unreal in these trying times. +--- 21952476 +>>21952438 +why would they doxx themselves? unreal is behind this 100% +--- 21952484 +>>21952476 +That was sarcasm, dipshit. +--- 21952486 +>>21952476 +Bro, come on. It's obvious. multiple unrelated people posted their home address, workplace and full names because Unreal was growing too fast. They're haters. It's what they do. Unreal had to be stopped. How would the haters feel if Unreal reached 400 subs after 18 months of consistent uploads? +--- 21952509 +>>21952367 +Jesus Christ. Unreal is never going to live down the doxing shit. You guys can cope and say you’re just ignoring the past as if that helps your public perception. The bottom line is your reputation is forever tarnished. Baffling you thought it was a good idea at that time. Baffling. +--- 21952538 +>>21952509 +The past? They’re still actively doxxing people in this thread +--- 21952539 +>>21952509 +Seethe more +--- 21952556 +How are we going to bring Unreal down /lit/? It’s time we get rid of them off the board!!! +--- 21952561 +>>21952556 +They're doing a good job killing themselves. How many are even left? +--- 21952567 +>>21952561 +No. They’re obviously doxing everyone. They should be banned from /lit/. +--- 21952588 +>>21952509 +Unreal Press is a front for elaborate gay ops +--- 21952591 +>>21952153 +KEK +--- 21952599 +https://youtu.be/3Q4Pz-nMbCI [Embed] +--- 21952614 +>>21952599 +you look like you're going to cry +--- 21952615 +>>21952599 +Fuck off Gardner. +--- 21952672 +>>21952599 +you’d cry too if you were a pathetic neet living with his mom and dad who had nothing better to do than shill your ESL-tier slop everywhere +--- 21952674 +>>21952599 +>Gardner can’t even come up with his own ideas +OH NONONONONONONOOO +--- 21952697 +>>21952674 +Correction: It’s a quote from Zachary Alan Smith. +--- 21952728 +>>21952599 +Does this dude have a job? He isn't making it off book sales but I cant really imagine what type of work he would do. +--- 21952766 +>>21952599 +Based +--- 21952779 +>>21952599 +The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding /lit/ fiction and /wg/ authors which began with the publication of the first BSR rankings (later refined to the /lit/ Top Ten) on January 7th, 2023, peaked with the return of &amp editor K.R. Hartley on March 16th, 2023, and ended with the infamous "Message in a Bottle" scandal on April 5th, 2023, wherein K.R. Hartley disappeared under conditions of duress and several members of the Unreal staff doxxed other contributors and engaged in below-the-belt personal attacks, before receiving a backlash that forced their indefinite withdrawal from public life. Prominent figures include Ogden Nesmer, K.R. Hartley, John “Rhyme” Davis, Zachary “Zulu” Alan Smith, Lewis Woolston, and all Unreal contributors. However, this time period was marked by an increasing interest in archiving obscure/forgotten /lit/ authors, and the total count was finally tabulated at 32 authors who have shilled or gained notoriety on /lit/. F. Gardner later attempted to take credit for and capitalize on this event, despite having had absolutely nothing to do with it. +--- 21952791 +>>21952779 +Hi AnderSEN. +--- 21952796 +>>21952728 +He has a thriving career as a male stripper and prostitute, and can often be seen plying his trade on the sidewalks of Chicago’s sleaziest neighbourhoods, clad in fishnet stockings, heels, and a pleather miniskirt. +--- 21952803 +>>21952791 +*TRANderSEN +--- 21952819 +>>21952791 +Hi! I’m glad to be back. +--- 21952822 +>>21952779 +Wassup A-A-Ron? +--- 21952833 +>>21952822 +Nothing much, just writing equine enthusiast smut. The usual. +--- 21952847 +AWWWWW wittle Aaron is upset. He doesn't like it guys! Unreal made his feefees hurt! +--- 21952857 +>>21952779 +You guys would have an awesome time reading The Shitkickers instead of fighting with each other +--- 21952858 +>>21952847 +Back for one day? About the time this thread started to go to shit. Huh. +--- 21952862 +>>21952858 +Agreed! We should do something about it! +--- 21952868 +>>21952862 +Yes, it’s time. +--- 21952874 +>>21952026 +classic example of the thousand-cock-stare +--- 21952878 +>>21952868 +What do you suggest? +--- 21952913 +I meant + +>>21952857 +Wrong post +--- 21952917 +>>21952913 +no one is going to read your stupid ass book with its tacky ass ugly ass retarded ass cover, nigga +--- 21952922 +Why is F Gardner flexing about starting /lit/tok? &amp has had a TikTok since mid 2022 +--- 21952936 +>>21952057 +your telling me she likes this dude with the creepy pedostache? bitch needs to get her head checked out +--- 21952949 +Aaron bros??? Status report??? Don't tell me Unreal won... +--- 21952954 +>>21952949 +Fuck off Aaron. We know you left the server after getting called out for posting your own doxx in a lame attempt to make it seem like someone else actually cares enough to doxx your irrelevant ass. +--- 21952956 +CLOWNPIECE IS REAL! +--- 21952960 +>>21952954 +True! And I, Aaron Andersen, apologize to Unreal and all of those who I have harmed with my actions. I am deeply sorry. I hope you will find it in your heart to forgive me, Aaron Andersen. +- Aaron Andersen. +--- 21952963 +>>21952960 +What actions +--- 21952984 +Oft-forgotten Unreal cohost Miles MacNaughton rues the day that he made this thread. +--- 21952992 +>>21952984 +Can he really be called a cohost if he's the only host left? +--- 21952993 +>>21952992 +KEK +--- 21952997 +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +UNREAL! +Andersen... +--- 21953013 +Thank you Unreal. This will surely get us published. +--- 21953032 +>>21953013 +No problemo, good sir. The future looks bright! +--- 21953053 +"Pooh-pooh to the Unreal Bros!" snarled the Troon. +"I'll samefag another two hundred gay-ops posts by next noon!" + +They're just booting up now! I know just what they'll do! +Their mouths will hang open a minute or two +Then the Unreal Bros will all cry boo-hoo! + +That's the noise," grinned the Troon, "that I simply must hear!" +He paused, and booted up discord on his hundredth alt account of the year. + +And he did hear a sound rising as his screen glowed. +It started in low, then it started to grow. + +But this sound wasn't sad! +Why, this sound sounded glad! + +Every bro in Unreal, both lazy and hardworking, +Was scheduling releases despite the Troons samefag posting! + +He hadn't stopped Tales 2 from coming! It came! +Somehow or other, it came just the same! + +And the Troon, with his manly feet overlarge in his high heels, +Sat puzzling and puzzling. "How could no one see the big deal? + +I hit them with gaslighting! I leveraged stale old &amp clout! +I hit them with dox accusations, of both myself and their fellow louts!" + +He puzzled and puzzled till his puzzler was sore. +Then the Troon thought of something he hadn't before. + +Maybe a samefagging freak on the internet, he thought, is something they deplore. +And the Unreal projects, perhaps, means to them a little bit more! +--- 21953072 +>>21953053 +With seconds remaining on the clock you've somehow made this thread even more embarrassing. +--- 21953079 +why don't the jannies ever delete this shit? +--- 21953081 +>>21953053 +who is the troon you speak of?? i need answers +--- 21953112 +Once there was a mainstream liberal arts college which taught every lie you can imagine: round earth, real apes, and even an afterlife. One day the literature professor was giving a lecture on the /lit/ renaissance. + +"The /lit/ renaissance refers to a short-lived surge in interest regarding," railed the professor shrilly, rasping and seething as he raked the blackboard with his wicked chalk. + +One student bravely stood up and then raised his hand, seizing the attention of everyone in the room. "Excuse me, teacher," he said, "but I believe the father of the /lit/ renaissance was actually F. Gardner!" + +They tried to silence him but he did not care if anyone wanted to hear what he had to say, and eventually people stopped responding to him. His voice was the loudest, until he got bored and left. That student's name? Jason Bryan. His grade? F. +--- 21953131 +Total discord tranny death. +--- 21953158 +How does a bunch of anons make a silly book cause so much drama? +--- 21953163 +>>21953053 +Your poetry is shit, Slip. +--- 21953198 +>>21953158 +learn to speak English retard +--- 21953205 +>>21953158 +Because their only achievement in life is that silly book. They take any little slight against it personally. +--- 21953247 +>>21953053 +Unrealcucks can lick my big furry green balls, choke on my 8 inch green cock and swallow my green-tinted cum. +--- 21953297 +>>21953247 +are you... the grinch who stole the renaissance? +--- 21953354 +>>21952318 +You are retarded and didnt watch the video or read the thread. You (2-3 spammers potentially including Gardner) are an enemy of &amp and Unreal. I don't care if they're the only collaborative project left standing in this dung heap of a board: they're dragging you to goodliness and creative productivity whether you like it or not. +--- 21953418 +>literary board +>people must surely read a lot on here +>swaths of books out there in that >should< help enlighten the fellow man +>simple project about making a magazine results in all this shit you see here +What a travesty +--- 21953598 +>>21952019 +>I think I'm good +what does this mean. Who are you. Who cares. It's exactly the kind of bogus nonsense sentence made by someone hastily cranking out a dozen spam non sequitors a thread to discredit unreal and &amp magazine because their endeavours are mildly successful and this is meant to be a crab board for losers and virgins by golly. diff --git a/lit/21912608.txt b/lit/21912608.txt index 5bade6478fb917a451889cf29c6d753e0d81fad5..280dfe3d96abdff9a5c4310ffbf802a69c6ec367 100644 --- a/lit/21912608.txt +++ b/lit/21912608.txt @@ -2949,3 +2949,97 @@ because I rather sucked titties. --- 21949575 >>21948437 Nasty motherfucker +--- 21949957 +Philosophy is an old web +Long deserted, The dreams +The spider wove into it +Glimmer weakly during night +In the sun they are only this: +Fragments of dread leaves. +--- 21950016 +Science is an old web +Long deserted, The dreams +The spider wove into it +Glimmer weakly during night +In the sun they are only this: +Fragments of dread leaves. +--- 21950037 +>>21940132 +Who wrote the original? +--- 21950043 +Though daily worries malady me, +like when I make of myself an arse, +I understand although people see, +they forget, and this too will soon pass. +And although my body dismembered +by fungi and bacteria's rot, +through this verse I may be remembered +by very few, still better than not. +--- 21950326 +>>21950041 +Yeah, every story of Philip K. Dick has no philosophy. + +Poetry is not a film, it makes sense without being discussed with a stranger. +--- 21950604 +>>21913630 +Dammit +--- 21951779 +Bump +--- 21951873 +Surrounded by boys and books makes me tingle +I can feel my body start to jingle +Sadly I'm forever single +--- 21951878 +Born a boy +trans by NAME +Female heart +When will society accept LOVE? +--- 21951947 +>>21951878 +Born a boy, +Trans by name, +Loins destroyed, +What a shame. +--- 21951989 +>>21950326 +>Poetry is not a film, it makes sense without being discussed with a stranger. +The poem did make sense before being discussed. It made sense in his head. And in mine. +--- 21952099 +>>21912608 (OP) +Eden waved Hello at me, +quickly pacing past, +I wanted to stop and talk to her, +yet I only nodded back. + +Deer-hide cloaks clasp my back; +I push and pull this plow, +so I may take a bite of fruit, +and let juices flow from my gaunt face +--- 21952634 +>>21952099 +Big fan of frost and Dickinson I imagine, right? +--- 21953031 +Sweet cream +Sticky and white +Semen yummies +--- 21953447 +You know lions +lick lions lick +their paws, tongue +searching whiskers +and claws, lick +the steam of a wound, +that forgetful soul, +of a soft body, dead +in the shade, +tongue rolled out +linking at the dirt +--- 21953466 +>>21912608 (OP) +a haiku: + +corn up a pussy +indian- +-a locale favorite +--- 21953479 +Wrote this a few years ago. I wrote a lot of short poems a few years ago, inspired by my time in graduate school. diff --git a/lit/21917939.txt b/lit/21917939.txt index 1776b94ef4b53b936f572829a069db4b13b60efd..99904ee823ec71bd257a32c3595b497ce6759c5b 100644 --- a/lit/21917939.txt +++ b/lit/21917939.txt @@ -384,3 +384,37 @@ I think it failed because you asked people to basically dedicate all their readi >>21949209 >you I'm not OP. +--- 21949920 +>>21949047 +Nope. They offer it to God as smoke. Except the blood. Oh and the priests get a cut. They believed God actually resided in the Holy of Holies, and displeasing God could cause him to leave, hence the strictest sacrifices being for a priest making a mistake. +--- 21949922 +>>21947840 +Make the readings more specific. The Bible is really dull and theologically irrelevant for long stretches, if you are going to rush through it you might as well just read an abridge version. The most rewarding thing about the old testament is figuring out the cultural, political and theological forces that shaped it and doing that is impossible given the timeframe. +--- 21950496 +>>21949922 +>The Bible is really dull and theologically irrelevant for long stretches +A big sign that you've only read the Bible once, if ever. +--- 21951226 +>>21929571 +”The dirt came out” refers to the fat fuck kings bowels leaving his body, sir +--- 21951232 +>>21933057 +Pussy is the ultimate end of every toil on earth. There is literally nothing else beyond it. +--- 21951504 +>>21947149 +>Constructive criticism, anon. Next time you try you'll attract repeat posters that generate discussion and a lot less: +I'm not OP but your post is less worth than a bump. A bump indicates that anons are interested but don't know how to contribute or don't have time for it right now. Your post indicates that you know what to do but you just say fuck you. + +>>21949047 +If you believe that your god isn't corporeal why would you sacrifice solids to him instead of gases that ascend to another realm and transform the meat to ashes +--- 21952531 +>>21950496 +Delusional. The bible is tedious, which is why most people need some sort of motivating structure to read it. Even for the self-motivated it is hardly a page turner. Nor is it theologically relevant to the average non-jewish reader, which is why people use commentaries to tell them what to take out of the chapters. Sure if you dig into the context and subtext of the verses you can get something richer out of the bible, but that is the point - the pace prescribed is too fast to appreciate the text. +--- 21953495 +what happened to it bros?? +--- 21953498 +>>21953495 +this thing i mean. incredible to think they just fucking lost the most important item in the whole religion +--- 21953501 +>>21919798 +human behavior is quite repetitive diff --git a/lit/21921346.txt b/lit/21921346.txt index d81a7b1efffc63ac52e261a8980750b1a33dbd5c..00994c6c92aa3d58d6fb558774a486620725dad3 100644 --- a/lit/21921346.txt +++ b/lit/21921346.txt @@ -1076,3 +1076,196 @@ Incorrect since you didn't quote mine --- 21944917 >>21938366 unread larp stack assembled exclusively for brownie points in /lit/'s hourly [tranny/jew/commie] seethe threads +--- 21946246 +>>21942122 +Military history, fascinating +--- 21946421 +>>21943507 +Low IQ trash. Go jump off a cliff. +--- 21946741 +>>21943507 +>yt +>het male +>Intact +--- 21946967 +>>21943507 +listens to Jocko Willnick podcast +Involved in MKP +Trying to get back in touch with god +--- 21946985 +Pls don't bully me too much 1/4 +--- 21946994 +>>21946985 +2/4 living room bookshelf btw +--- 21947001 +>>21946994 +3/4 +Bedroom bookshelf. +Used to have enough books to fill all my bookshelves but I sold/gave away half of my books since I was moving around a lot. +--- 21947006 +>>21947001 +These are the books I have on my headboard for current reading. Currently reading Roadside Picnic and Blood Meridian (not pictured) +--- 21947009 +>>21946994 +Please post your Warhammers. +--- 21947021 +>>21947009 +Here's a painboy I painted up before I based him +--- 21948447 +>>21930227 +is that the new reprint of v and col49? how are they? +--- 21948902 +Couldn't get a better angle +--- 21948939 +ok folks, I have for a couple years now been trying to get the complete works of Seneca from U of Chicago press in their original cloth bindings. A couple were easy to find, a couple took much longer, but I now have 6/7. The one I'm missing is Hardship & Happiness. I've scoured the internet and continue to look for it every couple months in case it pops up on abebooks or somewhere else, but I have yet to find it. Part of the problem is that UChi press start making these abysmally shitty hardcovers after the first edition, but they re-used the same ISBN as used for the first printing, so the only way I would be able to distinguish the shitty one from a good one is if the seller has a picture or includes extra information in the description. I've contacted sellers dozens of times asking whether it's the cloth or the cheap version, but every single time, they say they're just shipping from another location and they don't have access to the book to check. + +here's the book -- https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo5759240.html +isbn -- 9780226748320 + +Does anyone here have it? Or any idea where I could look? Are there services that can help people track down rare books? At this point I'd be willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a copy in decent or better condition. There is someone somewhere with a copy of it who would be happy to sell it for the price I'm willing to offer. I just don't know who that person is or where to find them. +--- 21948958 +>>21948939 +ah forgot to answer the questions +race: white +age: 30 +sexuality: het +virginity status: not +>>21922361 +mirin +--- 21948964 +>>21948939 +God, I wish there was a service for tracking down books. I've spent so many hours searching for stuff and sometimes it takes years until something pops up. It's very tiresome. +--- 21948985 +>>21946425 +Good collection. +--- 21948989 +>>21948958 +Thanks, I just picked up the hardy collection from folio and a signed copy of Margaret thatcher +--- 21949006 +>>21948989 +I was looking at getting that folio hardy collection, but I hate when I can't get all or most-all of the books from an author in the same edition. It's stopped me from buying a lot of books from folio. I mostly only use them for books where they have the only ones I'd ever conceivably want from the author -- eg I've got Doctor Zhivago from them, partially because they had an exclusive translation done for them and partially because I have no interest in anything else from Pasternak -- although maybe that'll change when I finally get around to reading it. +but those look great though. You've got a great collection +--- 21949049 +>>21949006 +Personally, I started finding it very pleasing to have full collections of authors in first editions, especially if they changed publishers a couple of times. +--- 21949077 +>>21948939 +>>21948964 +there might be good news. I thought earlier today to email the four people who contributed translations to the book to see if they might have an extra copy I could buy off them. I'd already emailed the editor of the series a year or so ago and she looked around her office and asked colleagues but couldn't find one. I looked them up, turns out one of them is dead sadly, but I emailed the other three. +One of them replied saying he didn't have a copy but he had found a used site a listing described as clothbound with sewn binding and dust jacket, and I decided to order that and return if it isn't correct (I think it's most likely a seller who just copied/pasted info based on the ISBN, which as I mentioned is shared with the shoddy later printings, but it's worth a shot). +But another replied just a couple minutes ago saying he thinks he might have a copy lying around and said he'd check his office tomorrow. If that turned out, I'd be ecstatic. like losing my virginity ecstatic. It's crazy how long I've been looking for this thing. +>>21949049 +interesting, what authors do you have some/all of their first editions? +--- 21949125 +>>21949077 +>what authors do you have some/all of their first editions? +Nothing too fancy, of course: +Walter Moers +Jurij Brezan +Akif Pirincci +and I'm close getting the full first editions of Arno Schmidt +--- 21949386 +>>21938366 +>no Schopenhauer On Women +ngmi +--- 21949620 +>>21949386 +It's a shorter work generally added in the notes, it appears in a few of my collected volumes + +>>21949006 +I can certainly appreciate the feeling about uniformity. The problem is that some books aren't particularly popular and there's not much of a drive to produce Daniel Deronda, or the princess of Cleve's. So you've gotta do what you can. I did manage to get half of Trollopes collection from folio, but it will be years before I finish that beast. +--- 21949709 +>>21949702 +This is awesome +--- 21949910 +>>21921346 (OP) +Is Man and His Symbols a good read? +I really like Jung as of late +--- 21951731 +>>21949620 +yeh definitely, my desire for uniformity is basically impossible to achieve for any author with more than 5 books. Sometimes even with 5 books it's not achievable -- eg Everyman's Library has Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, and Ulysses, but not Finnegan's Wake. Not that I'd ever be able to read Finnegan's Wake anyway haha +>>21948939 +>>21949077 +looks like I'm getting the book. One of the translators has an extra copy and is sending it to me. I can't believe it's actually happening. Holy shit. I'd resigned myself to likely never getting this last volume, but it's actually happening. Words are insufficient here. It's like how Christmas felt when I was a little kid. Will post pics in the next shelf thread after it arrives. +--- 21951787 +>>21921346 (OP) +give it to me straight, doc +--- 21951789 +>>21949702 +based consoooomer +--- 21951943 +>>21921346 (OP) +It ain't much because I go to the library quite a bit, but here goes: +--- 21952169 +>>21949702 +Race: pasty +Age: 34 +Sexuality: straight (but sometimes scared you might not be) +Virginity status: not virgin but self-conscious in bed to the point of feeling like sex is a chore (would rather spend time reading Sanderson) +--- 21952195 +>>21948939 +>atomic Habits +My Nigga. +--- 21952699 +>>21951787 +You have Xenophon Anabasis but not Hellenica? No Herodotus but Thucydides? +Funny thing is i also like some of 40k books. +--- 21952783 +>>21948939 +is that landmark series in hardback? +--- 21952820 +>>21952195 +thank you, I haven't read it yet, but I bought it after a friend explained the "method" to me and I've found it helpful so far. I assume that reading the full book will help more, though +>>21952783 +yessir +--- 21952825 +>>21948939 +where did you cop this shelf on the left famfrfr on god? +--- 21952836 +>>21952825 +my zoomerese is a bit rusty, what are you asking? +--- 21952844 +>>21952169 +Shiiiii, I'm 30 bruh, but good super close +--- 21952849 +>>21952836 +where did you buy this book shelf on the left? +-steve and rhoda ginsberg + +Sent from my iPad +--- 21952856 +>>21952679 +mid 30s +white +straight + +based urantia enjoyer +--- 21952875 +>>21952849 +the "famfrfr on god?" is the part I was confused by lmao +I know "senpai" and "fr" is "for real"? but what's the thing about god? +anyway it's a westelm shelf, unfortunately expensive for the quality of construction, but they look nice. the one in the right is the same, just a wider version. +narrow version +>https://www.westelm.com/products/mid-century-22-bookshelf-acorn-h5335/ +wide version +>https://www.westelm.com/products/mid-century-38-bookshelf-acorn-h5336/ +--- 21952889 +>>21952875 +thanks babe +--- 21952909 +>>21921346 (OP) +--- 21953127 +>>21952820 +wtf I didnt even know they made that. Was the hardcover a limited print run or something? those things are like $200+ +--- 21953138 +>>21952679 +How is that Oxford Shakespeare? I've been thinking about getting a complete works but I can't decide if I should go Pelican, RSC, Oxford, Norton or Arden +--- 21953531 +>>21952699 +Herodotus got lost in the mail and I'm still angry about it so I haven't ordered a replacement +--- 21953666 +>>21921454 +I like the plushies. +--- 21953694 +>>21921454 +where'd you get that version of the manifesto? diff --git a/lit/21932156.txt b/lit/21932156.txt index fd2d8ca8947788bb84ec7435303d2433edbb19e4..71150f3c1aa5f9561edac31a6797c56fab0bbecf 100644 --- a/lit/21932156.txt +++ b/lit/21932156.txt @@ -670,3 +670,178 @@ Why the long face? --- 21948893 >>21937662 Plato was a dualist, you're confusing Plato with Plotino, in Plato the idea of god is not the whole of the cosmos, but the blueprint that make chaos take form, so yo uhave a hierarchy of form and a indefinite matter, both of them creat ethe reality we see, Plotino's didn't lie kthat and made matte ra lower form of the idea of god, which is not part of Plato's exoteric or esoteric teachings, that's why Plotino is considered a neo-platonic and not a platonic philosopher +--- 21950367 +>>21948563 +kek +--- 21950374 +God I am so tired of seeing this horse-faced motherfucker on this board +--- 21950441 +>>21947604 +>french "philisophers" he's a sociologist, +no he's not, read at least a wikipedi aarticle before start talking nonsense and out yourself as someone easily influenced by alt-right memes +--- 21950460 +>>21947584 +>>21947604 +>>21947673 + +kek samefaging this hard, go back to the self bro, it's all an illusion, breath and stop getting triggered this hard, go read the vedas or some shit +--- 21950470 +>>21944384 +>Brahman’s self-disclosing awareness +if the quality of self-disclosing awarebess is possible, then you just can put that quality on awraeness itself, you don't need a knower or Brahman, so the same system that explains or defend the brahman position ends up being the same thing that proves it's inexistence, and that's why Brahman is a contradictory notion +--- 21951118 +>>21945197 +>No thanks +okey, but you'll never know which philosophers and thinkes are actually the most inlfuencial since your realm of interaction with that world is incredible small, but you do you +>I can see +as i already pointed out, your reach for this kind of things is really limited so what you can "see" is something i can't be bothered with +>I don't talk to Midwittgenstein and Heidegger appreciators btw. +why should i care what you take or don't take seriously, you describe yourself as someone more interested in pursue blind dogmatism(something commoni n guenon circles btw) than in the pursue of truth and metaphysical doctrines +--- 21951241 +>>21948107 +Assenting to an epistemology claim isnt making an ontological one, period. I’m not sure why you are so hung up on this. +--- 21951247 +>>21950470 +>if the quality of self-disclosing awarebess is possible, then you just can put that quality on awraeness itself, +Brahman IS awareness itself +>you don't need a knower or Brahman, so the same system that explains or defend the brahman position ends up being the same thing that proves it's inexistence, +this is meaningless babble +>and that's why Brahman is a contradictory notion +meaningless babble does not demonstrate a contradiction in anything chump +--- 21951279 +>>21951247 +>Brahman IS awareness itself +if brahmas is awareness, then the object of awareness must be something else beyond brahman, and if awareness is the only thing that exist, well then is no longer awareness since it's not aware of anything, and awareness can't be only aware of itself since awareness is not a thing, the whole notion of awarenes slose it's meaning at that point, so again brahman ends up being nothing at all or a fallacious idea of awareness, a non-aware awareness, a contradiciton in terms + +>this is meaningless babble +the fact that you can't understand it doesn't meanis babble, just means is babble to you because you don't undestand it +--- 21951322 +Can someone give me a QRD on the ideas of this guy Guenon? +--- 21951349 +>>21951322 +the real world is static and the world we see is an illusion +--- 21951360 +>>21951349 +That sounds like a Plato copy +--- 21951373 +>>21951279 +>if brahmas is awareness, then the object of awareness must be something else beyond brahman +The objects of awareness are maya, the subject is also maya. Awareness (Brahman) is non-dual and without subject or object, it only appears to be divided up into the divide of subject vs object because of metaphysical ignorance (avidya), or because of the illusion of maya, which amount to the same thing. + +>and if awareness is the only thing that exist, well then is no longer awareness since it's not aware of anything +Incorrect, because awareness (Brahman) is intrinsically self-aware, thus it’s factually incorrect to say that it’s not aware of anything. +>and awareness can't be only aware of itself since awareness is not a thing +That awareness is “not a thing” is a nonsensical dogma that you are asserting without any proof or any supporting argument, because there is no grounds to make this claim it doesn’t actually refute anything. If you actually wanted to use that as an argument and have it potentially work then you’d have to argue why that is the case, but you haven’t and so it fails to be a valid argument, and even taking it on it’s face that’s a laughable statement, if awareness was not a thing we would have no knowledge of this conversation. You have utterly failed to refute or show any contradiction in anything and you are just making absurd assertions without trying to demonstrate how or why they are necessarily true. +--- 21951376 +>>21951322 +Rene Guenon is the most correct, smartest and most important person of the twentieth century. There was no smarter, deeper, clearer, absolute Guenon and probably could not be. It is no coincidence that the French traditionalist René Allé in one collection dedicated to R. Guenon compared Guenon with Marx. It would seem that there are completely different, opposite figures. Guenon is a conservative hyper-traditionalist. Marx is a revolutionary innovator, a radical overthrower of traditions. But Rene Halle rightly guessed the revolutionary message of each of Guenon's statements, the extreme, cruel noncomformity of his position, which turns everything and everything upside down, the radical nature of his thought. + +The fact is that René Guenon is the only author, the only thinker of the twentieth century, and maybe many, many centuries before that, who not only identified and confronted with each other secondary language paradigms, but also put into question the very essence of language. The language of Marxism was methodologically very interesting, subtly reducing the historical existence of mankind to a clear and convincing formula for confronting labor and capital. Being a great paradigmatic success, Marxism was so popular and won the minds of the best intellectuals of the twentieth century. But R. Guenon is an even more fundamental generalization, an even more radical removal of masks, an even broader worldview contestation, putting everything into question. + +- Aleksandr Dugin + +Guénon undermined and then; with uncompromising intellectual rigour, demolished all the assumptions taken for granted by modern man, that is to say Western or westernised man. Many others had been critical of the direction taken by European civilization since the so-called 'Renaissance', but none had dared to be as radical as he was or to re-assert with such force the principles and values which Western culture had consigned to the rubbish tip of history. His theme was the 'primordial tradition' or Sofia perennis, expressed-so he maintained-both in ancient mythologies and in the metaphysical doctrine at the root of the great religions. The language of this Tradition was the language of symbolism, and he had no equal in his interpretation of this symbolism. Moreover he turned the idea of human progress upside down, replacing it with the belief almost universal before the modern age, that humanity declines in spiritual excellence with the passage of time and that we are now in the Dark Age which precedes the End, an age in which all the possibilities rejected by earlier cultures have been spewed out into the world, quantity replaces quality and decadence approaches its final limit. No one who read him and understood him could ever be quite the same again. + +- Gai Eaton +--- 21951381 +>>21951322 +René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.” +—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein + +“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.” +—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery + +“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.” +—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom + +“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.” +—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death + +“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.” +—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World + +“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.” +—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey +--- 21951386 +>>21951322 +“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.” +—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions + +“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.” +—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition + +“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.” +—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum + +“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.” +—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy + +"René Guénon should certainly be considered a Master of our times. His contributions to the "world of Tradition", of symbols and of metaphysical teachings, are truly invaluable." +—Julius Evola, author of Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex. +--- 21951447 +>>21951360 +yeah kinda, more of a parmenides copy to be honest +--- 21951454 +>>21932156 (OP) +>Got almost everything right +>forgotten in the west outside 4chan +I know you didn't make this post because you believe what you said but it's depressing that someone could have actually, unironically made your post +--- 21951480 +>>21951373 +>The objects of awareness are maya, the subject is also maya. Awareness (Brahman +then is not awareness anymore,m the notion of maya defeats the pourpose of awareness as a thing that exist, let alone functions +>, because awareness (Brahman) is intrinsically self-aware +the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness, if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen + +>That awareness is “not a thing” is a nonsensical dogma +no, awareness can't be an object because an object can't perceive other objects, there's only objects for a subject,it's like a knife sharpening itself, or an eye seeing itself +--- 21951500 +Sometimes I wonder if Rene Guenon hadn’t moved to Egypt and became a Muslim he could’ve been our Confucius. +--- 21951551 +>>21951500 +no, his metaphysical system was already outdated by the time Hegel hit the scene +--- 21951600 +>>21951551 +Confucius was more of an ethical reformer than a proper metaphysician, as was Guenon. +--- 21951992 +>>21951480 +>the only way self-awareness can arise is in a reflective manner, that is, by reflecting itself in the object of awareness, if awareness is not an object and there's no object of awareness either, then self awareness can't happen + Maurice found a reallt clear way to explain that +"The primary truth is indeed ‘I think’, but only provided that we understand thereby ‘I belong to myself’ while belonging to the world. /.../ The world is wholly inside and I am wholly outside myself." + +Maurice Merleau-Ponty +--- 21952051 +What do I need to read in preparation for Guenon? I am totally uninitiated. +--- 21952082 +>>21950460 +you don't even know what samefagging is you fuckiing reddittor faggot tourist, ssmefagging would be replying to myself pretending to be someone else, or at least trying to falseflag, these three posts sre obviously mine and at no point i try to disguise it, ifunny bunkercuck faggot. +--- 21952091 +>>21950441 +you fucking autist, im saying that sartre is such a piss poor 'philosopher' with such mundane and retarded concerns that he may as well be a sociologist, same goes for derrida, camus, focault and every faggot frog 'thinker', may be wikipedia would be more your speed if you cant even undestand non-literal language (watch the other retard faggot newcuck -probably you- call me a samefag for making two post in a row) +--- 21952101 +>*hits opium pipe* +>Things get old and fall apart, and civilization is a thing, man... +damn... +--- 21952119 +>>21952082 +>, these three posts sre obviously mine and at no point i try to disguise it +i mean you should, is kinda sad to see how tirggered you get by so little, specially when you try to defend Guenon, seems like you can't really connect with "the self" +or at least you could answer all those anons in the same post like normal people do, but seems like you're to mad to do that, anyways some more lives in maya for you then, next one you'll probably reincarnate as a tranny or faggot, you seems to be kinda fixated on them +--- 21952158 +>>21952119 +kek you fucking faggot tourist, truth is, if you werent such a KEGELcuck newfriend you would have realized im mostly shitppsting. I have barely read guenon but I hate bataille and his sociologist ilk (yrs, cope about it faggot) and KEGEL so I decided to joker it up a bit when I saw the post I originally replied to. Although, almost everything I said is still true (french xx century philosophy is sociology, KEGELA is a blight on humanity, heidegger was reading zen buddhism, etc) + +lurk moar, simple as +--- 21952454 +>>21939923 +>brahmin +As someone without Dravidian blood outside of the Indian sub continent why would he be a Brahmin? More likely he's a Volkhv or Druid instead. + +You'd be better able to critique someone's work if you properly understood it and the ethos surrounding it. + +Just a tip you probably didn't get taught at the leftist indoctrination centre which formed your opinions for you. +--- 21953415 +>>21932178 +Fpbp. His only mistake was leaving the Church or not going Orthodox. And with that, +"that is all + Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know." diff --git a/lit/21935043.txt b/lit/21935043.txt index 07a132629453efec35cc48d781d704f7f1e3f2c5..1d55b2f236f4c20815a72c750396ded28c0e882f 100644 --- a/lit/21935043.txt +++ b/lit/21935043.txt @@ -1070,3 +1070,163 @@ fingers crossed. Lol the LARP is so strong. I'm sure your totally real "book" is as well received as your consistently empty threads. The funny thing is, if you had ever bothered with Aristotle's own Rhetoric, you'd have a good model for how to both persuade and entice engagement, instead of either total nada, or drawn out fights uniformly started by yourself when you can't stand to have to explain anything. I look forward to your next set of empty threads, I always get a chuckle when I see "/rhet/" followed by 5 effortposts and then a bunch of bumps with only 1 poster in thread. Super gratifying every time. +--- 21949927 +>>21948314 +>. I look forward to your next set of empty threads, +I'm tempted to start one to compare Chrysippus with Aristotle, as you mentioned it again. + +> or drawn out fights uniformly started by yourself when you can't stand to have to explain anything. +Not at all, I got bored of the psychoanalysis I ended up doing with you and would have much rather discussed the subject, problem is that a discussion with you goes much like this: + +>>21948238 +>>21947984 +>>21947474 +>athest +>eat shit +>waaaaaah +>NO, YOU BE WE-TODD N I NO NEED WEED DA HUME OR NOBODY ELSE WHO TINK OF TINGS, AND WEWIGION IS BAD +etc. +which is just verbal abuse; ad hom not talking about the topic at all. + +STILL, there is stuff to be discussed: you say Aristotle is better because no books of Chrysippus survived for us to "know" in as much depth as Aristotle, that's a valid point. As we've kind of touched on here, re: logic vs. dogma, the 'absence' of a big book makes it difficult to attach a dogma 'to' the person, as people have always done with philosophers, so we end up instead actually examining and recreating the methodology in the actions of the person rather than quibbling over phraseology. I have previously made the case that this is why Chrysippus is better precisely because his books were burned or lost or whatever, since any student of Chrysippus cannot be a dogmatist - or rather that the process of studying Chrysippus filters out the dogmatist. + +Anyway, you're welcome to prepare some notes on this. I have been long finished writing on "logos and pathos vs. ethnos" and don't really care to wind back to it all again, but it is a good topic just of itself of "dogma vs logos" i think. + +But fair warning, any replies which are just verbal abuse will be reported and will be taken by me as being proof of the deranged mentality of the old opposition and the total absence of refutation for anything I say (which means i win the case as it is unchallenged). +--- 21950157 +>>21949927 +Lol eat shit Stephan, I don't have to discuss anything with a dilettante who maybe glances at philosophy between reading volumes of Casa Howhard lmao + +(Also, announcing reports is against the rules lol) +--- 21950223 +>>21950157 +>(refuses conciliatory offer to talk normally about the topic, verbal abuse contd.) +As expected lol + +Well have it your way, be happy to know that you've contributed immensely to my case studies in pathos as to the foregone conclusion that if you are holding indefensible positions which you refuse/cannot defend that you will engage in psychopathic and schizophrenic-like asocial behavior as consequence of those beliefs (which can be confirmed to linger under the surface of an otherwise seemingly normal-presenting person), presenting your 'character type' as the only real single impediment to human development in academic and scientific subjects. Bearing in mind the long history of your character type against evidence for many centuries; e.g. engaging in vicious sustained ad-hom, w/o refutation, against "washing your hands in hospitals," due to infantile dogmatism among 'your type' of false intellectual... and the necessity of outlawing anonymous online discourse and enforcing a legal-scientific (evidenced based) standard for debate in the future to eliminate the impediment to human development and amicable discussion which is presented by your type (your influence on the group in these kind of settings as well as IRL;pretending to be multiple people, joining discussions solely to disrupt with character attacks, never engaging with the topic, etc. + +>announcing reports is against the rules lol +iterating the rules against non-serious troll responses (verbal abuse, memes) in serious forums is not against the rules; citing the law cannot be unlawful. +--- 21950251 +>>21950223 +>Well have it your way, be happy to know that you've contributed immensely to my case studies +Lol, what, your case studies on Gab? Everyone knows you don't write books, Stephan; you can barely express English, working through your doggerel Norwegian + +>iterating the rules against non-serious troll responses (verbal abuse, memes) in serious forums is not against the rules; citing the law cannot be unlawful. +This is how I know you're a newfag, since you don't "get" chan culture; announcing reports is still bannable, go review global rules, r-tard +--- 21950273 +>>21947824 +if the universe is eternal, then that means the past stretches on forever, and that the future stretches on forever too +--- 21950362 +>>21950251 +>Everyone knows you don't write books, Stephan; you can barely express English, working through your doggerel Norwegian +I've written about six in the last quarter. + +And waaay to go back to pretending I'm some other random person you've made up in your head (another confirmation of schizophrenia, solipsism, etc). REMINDER ANON I'm the guy who works in healthcare with a background in law and psychiatry. I mentioned about this bit when we were talking months back on one of those /rhet/ threads. + +>you don't "get" chan culture; +>(i.e. emotional abuse of people who disagree with you) +This isn't /pol/ and you're the only person here who acts like it is, Chris Chan, and people who act like that on /pol/ are schizophrenics. + +>announcing reports +I'm not "announcing a report" I'm reminding you of the rules that if you post off-topic (i.e. verbal abuse, refusal to engage with topic) that this is a violation of the rules and I will immediately report you, as you refuse to stop muddying the threads with verbal abuse in order to scare people away from the topics you don't want them to think about - there's no reason I should not take action against hat you're doing if you care so much enough to do it so often. It's an ideological struggle for hearts and minds, innit Aristotle lol + +That's why moderators and police and death squads exist; to deal with the 000.001% of people who are too stupid to know better. +--- 21950400 +>>21950362 +>I'm not "announcing a report" +Lol yes you are you rule lawyering clod, and you've done it in past threads; saying you're going to report and announcing a report are bannable by janny and mod discretion. The fact you think "memes" are bannable when they're expressing said to be good contributions tells me you pick and choose what to pay attention to; if you really do legal work, I'd be embarrassed for anyone accepting your services. + +And you're really one to talk about hijacking threads, reminder that I stopped playing nice after you made a point of dodging an argument and switching to dumb emotonal insults at >>21940123, which is how we regularly get into arguments. Maybe you should stick to more Norwegian translations ifyou can't follow arguments in English. +--- 21950511 +>>21950400 +> after you made a point of dodging an argument +Hahahaaha ooooooooh I didn't know that was 'you' anon holy shit + +Alright, you want to pick up from there in a little better spirit? Okay, let's go back to what I said 'before' you replied with Dafyd Humbs, I said here: >>21938734 +>one cannot begin to do this if one begins from a stance that 'knowledge' is not derived from study of material reality, or predictions cannot be proven (as they cannot, anyway, be proven if a person is operating in fantasy as there is nothing to physically study or physically demonstrate). +because we were talking about how 'logic/science' is derived in the first place (i.e. people who believe material science isn't real or less important than the theological ponderings of no consequence in place 'of' unbiased inquiry); you argued next that I was a "Hume Empiricist" (presupposing and straw-manning) if I disagreed with you and that Humes Empiricism, +>can't even settle whether the hand that pushes against a ball is the cause of the ball moving, +Mebe. I've flipped through Hume and seen nothing of interest to warrant any serious attention that isn't predated and discussed better elsewhere. + +However: if you believe that the human mind is incapable of discerning such things without (following the musings as a dogma of "XYZ name of some cherished idol of yours") then it follows that you believe that, +>SCIENCE ISN'T REAL +as 'science' to your mind isn't a natural faculty of discernment and improvement, but a static series of agreed-upon opinions of things which must be stuck against evidence and which resents improvement, in the same manner as a religion. + +Much of the opening paragraph here, >>21940040 was explained better by Chrysippus, for example. + +Whereas to highlight the massive difference between (Chrysippus) and this later modernish attempt at logic which 'denies' the senses (i.e. which denies the scientific method), you say: +> trusting the memories of things that have already passed; +>a data table isn't purely empirical because you have to trust that your memories of things no longer observable in front of you are reliable. +And this strikes me as absurd when I try and imagine how it would possibly fit in with, say, discernment of a simple process (e.g. moving a ball with your hand) followed by confirmation of predication to arrive at accurate statement of that process to be absolutely sure you've gotten it right. Were they suggesting that, e.g. when you push the ball 99 times it's a fluke, or that you've suddenly become drunk and can't trust yourself to understand what you'ere seeing anymore? I don't get the point of view that this is coming from ... and it wouldn't' matter (because it's nothing) 'except' that 'some' people promulgate this sophistry (cos it's not logic) as if it were 'logic' in order to disregard All Material Science. + +img. related to tier of sophistry involved +--- 21950521 +*predication +i mean: prediction ;p +--- 21950549 +>>21950400 + +fuck, this is crucial, +> later modernish attempt at logic which 'denies' the senses (i.e. which denies the scientific method) + +i.e. IF you're holding to an ideology (as those men seem to be) which denies the ability of the scientific method to 1) observe, 2) predict and 3) successfully confirm a finding, then you're holding an ideology which impedes scientific progress in anything from everyday problem solving (the leaking tap) to major discoveries; if you're saying that "we cannot ever know" "because sense data is unreliable" - you're dismissing the power of sight, smell, touch, etc. all things which are developed to discern the material universe and which we have literally no other means of discerning truth from error, or more seriously IRL: of discerning truth from a malicious lie designed to 'harm' you. +--- 21950785 +holy fucking shit OP i'm so sorry about your thread +--- 21951416 +>>21950785 +It happens. I did get some enormous value out of it before the spergs got going. +--- 21951457 +>>21950785 +>>21951416 +honestly, Aristotle cosmology are the 2nd most common threads on here after Hitler veneration so I wouldn't even worry about it. + +Wait around for an hour or so and one of your clones will post an identical thread. +--- 21951465 +>>21935043 (OP) + +Peripatetics will never recover. +--- 21951477 +>>21950273 +Not necessarily, you could just have a closed loop. In which case all the moments in the timeline exist as a complete whole, all at once. Or you could even resist the urge to loop it back, and just have it as a sort of pre-recorded movie, which exists as a whole even though we can pick out particular moments or scenes. + +None of this will save Aristotle, though, because he doesn't understand basic metaphysics regarding negation. +--- 21951503 +>>21951416 +wait, I already answered your question entirely - i remember you replied with some cocksucking shit about wanting to hear from "the expert" (the daddy who put his hands up your shorts and entertained your stupid fucking impulse to muse over the sun instead of getting a job). + +I said +1) prima causas is an intellectual failing (either a childs perception of universalism, or a purposeful theological labyrinth designed to waste your time) founded upon an artificial demarcation between philosophy and material science posited by some (but not all) early christian theologians and later occurs in european society when disagreeing with god 'as' prima causa would be a death sentence; much of the musing and apologisms of such later persons can be utterly dismissed on those grounds as being a sort of stockholm syndrome. +and +2) learn how to grow crops with your own powers of investigation into what works and what doesn't work to grow them, like every wise person figured out. +--- 21951512 +>>21951503 +I asked some additional questions regarding Aristotle’s phenomenological toolkit later down in the thread. Bumped the question several times for that reason. I didn’t see you (or anyone really) address that. +--- 21951523 +>>21951512 +alight but did you like my .gif :) + +I mean, wait wahht +> some additional questions regarding Aristotle’s phenomenological toolkit later down in the thread +I don't think I saw I that, post again with the links +--- 21951556 +>1 +universe lasts for booths-unixtime +>2 +clē no dhēis +>3 +body+brain=wine +>$ +clay +>5 +dayofthetrifids +>6 +gpo +>7 +-8tarot +--- 21951642 +>>21951556 +fucking hell anon, this is literally the answer. +--- 21952457 +>>21951523 +>>21936656 diff --git a/lit/21936350.txt b/lit/21936350.txt index 38082404e7afd6a11df72c58247a71430158ae00..0806ce430c1f410c4090af09faf7e6a2e664e15b 100644 --- a/lit/21936350.txt +++ b/lit/21936350.txt @@ -553,3 +553,110 @@ But enough about this thread, the final BTFO to your interpretation is that on t --- 21949833 >>21936350 (OP) "The more things change, the more they stay the same." -Parmenides +--- 21950268 +bump +--- 21950882 +I can't tell if the participants of this thread are incredibly intelligent or fucking retards. +--- 21951419 +>>21949196 +If we're discussing metaphysics or theology, pick a genuinely monistic position. Neoplatonists make the mistake of trying to posit an "is not", some sort of "beyond being" or "non being" or other such gibberish. This bleeds into their theology, too. + +Because of this basic error, NeoPlatonism is a non-starter. + +>>21949198 +then take the eleatic pill and show us all how it's supposed to be done + +>>21949680 +Did you read the post that you're responding to? I said the apple is real, the orange is real, and the distinction is real, it's all real. "Is not", or negation, is understood as "IS other than"; affirmation is present at all points in the meaning of the sentence, because Being is omnipresent. I defined it that way because negation, as an alternative to Being or affirmation, is gibberish. As shown by the Eleatic works/arguments. + +As for change, try defining what you mean by the term. Here's what has probably happened: you've taken a bunch of experiences or data points, and strung them together in some model. The second part is where you made the mistake; you think that moments in time are created and destroyed, or some other nonsense that was ruled out by the broader metaphysical discussion. + +The point is to place those experiences or sensations in a model/context that does not violate the broader metaphysical principles/context. Hence I don't deny there's an apple or an orange, I don't deny that there is a dimension of "time", I just deny these obviously absurd and contradictory models that you and others put forward. + +You can't BTFO anybody by saying "change change change" until you actually have a coherent definition or understanding of that term. Which you won't have until you pay attention to the omnipresent nature of Being. +--- 21951682 +>>21949169 +I reformatted my reply and left a part from the other one. Deal with it or give me another (you), I don't care in which order. + +>>21949180 +>It is when you start referring to the negation as it's own ontological category +What example of what I said did this? I tried to elaborate when I said "synthetic synthesis", but apparently that wasn't good enough for you and you really do want me to say "haha you're talking about nothing" instead like your comparison to the Sophist begs me to do. Also you never seem to read the part where I say "Ultimatum/ultimately". Life is so short and you can argue all day fucking long about "What is real" "and what is not", but ULTIMATELY if it's "as real as a fantasy" then you're just treading the line of "Reification" and "False reification". + +>. If an apple is not an orange +Objective negation leads to... +>we are affirming there is an apple, there is an orange, and there is some distinction, and there is some broad context that holds it all in common. +>and there is some broad context that holds it all in common +Synthetic synthesis +--- 21951910 +>>21951682 +You make no sense at all, desu. Now you're just throwing in new terms that only further prove your dualism, "reification" vs "false reification". I also have no idea what you mean by "objective negation" somehow leading to "synthetic synthesis". + +If you want to say something substantive, just answer whether everything IS, or if you are positing some distinct category like "is not"/negation. + +I answered very clearly: I recognise that Being is omnipresent and therefore I understand the grammar of "is not" in a way that accords with this context. So if we say "an apple is not an orange", the "is not" is defined as "is other than", and we assign the whole sentence affirmative meaning - the apple is, the orange is, and whatever distinction we are drawing out is. This can be analogised to a painting of an apple or an orange, we can see them and how they relate, and all these details or things are totally subsumed by the broader picture (Being). There's no mysterious illusion world beyond the borders of the picture, where "what is not" now "is" and "what is" now "is not", and the picture can become something "other", and whatever other such nonsense people try to affirm as their words degenerate into utter meaningless gibberish. +--- 21952117 +>>21942533 +Plato btfo Parmenides +--- 21952160 +>>21951910 +>Now you're just throwing in new terms that only further prove your dualism, "reification" vs "false reification". +There was no dualism presented. +Reification: "To reify" is to treat an idea/abstraction as if it had concrete or material existence. +False reification: the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a “thing” in the real world, when there is no evidence for the existence of "thing", other than the pattern +Name a patent" is an example of reification. "The shadow" >>21948852 is an example of false reification. + +> I also have no idea what you mean by "objective negation" somehow leading to "synthetic synthesis". +Literally the exact same thing you just illustrated in your example of the apple/orange. + +>If an apple is not an orange +The object of negation is "the apple". Affirmations yes, but you're applying the negation regardless. + +>we are affirming there is an apple, there is an orange, and there is some distinction, and there is some broad context that holds it all in common +>synthetic +As in "not analytic". +>synthesis +Combination of idea to form a system. The "broad context" they share with everything else. You derive these all from negation of the object of inquiry. + +>"Is" permeates the whole, Being is omnipresent +And back to square one with another moron asking "what is an apple" again. At least we know it's not an orange. +--- 21952200 +>>21952160 +No idea what you are trying to say when you type "the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a thing in the real world..." Why are you positing this "real world" distinction, and what do you mean by "pattern of data" representing something? + +Shadows exist. If you're just saying that "false reification" means thinking that the shadow is something other than a shadow, then that is nothing more than a statement which fails to correspond or reflect that to which it is referring. There only is a real world, and the statement, "pattern of data", shadow, etc, are all in it together. + +What you tried to write about "synthetic synthesis" still sounds like either gibberish or a painfully bad word game. Can you just speak plainly? You also didn't engage with the analogy at all and I have no reason why you think that we're "back to square one with another moron asking "what is an apple" again." I'm about done with the word salad you keep vomiting up for us. +--- 21952423 +>>21952200 +>No idea what you are trying to say when you type "the error of assuming that a pattern of data represents a thing in the real world..." +Go chase a shadow and find out. + +>Why are you positing this "real world" distinction, and what do you mean by "pattern of data" representing something? +Go chase a shadow until your face turns blue. + +>Shadows exist +And you will never be able to explain how even after you pass out from exhaustion from chasing them. + +>"them" hohoh! potential is actual now! You admit "they" exist! + +Shadows have no potentiality or actuality. You're attributing the effect you're dubbing a "shadow" to its own thing when it's really just light. It's "less light". This loose definition 'less light" is defined using lack. Privation. It literally "lacks what it needs for existence". Defined one illusion into two is what you've done, a dualism of light. As if the Kosher one wasn't bad enough. + +"As a fantasy it's real" then whatever, you're not saying anything of use. + +>Can you just speak plainly? +You demonstrably showed in your own example that what I said was the case. You negated the object, you synthetically found truths that were part of a pattern and synthesized those truths. Is this not enough for you? +--- 21952455 +>>21952423 +Why do I need to chase a shadow? I can point to it and say "there is a shadow". Case solved. + +Meanwhile, you are stuck in some delusional, dualistic fantasy where there's the "real world" and the "fantasy world", of "real things" and their "shadows", and other such nonsense. Even worse, this dualistic position is presented through painfully bad jargon and writing, and topped off with the blind insistence that you're actually saying something meaningful. Terrible, can't believe I responded to you this many times, Goodbye. +--- 21952507 +>>21952423 +Advice, but if you run across Tweetophon (loves what he thinks Parmenides, Zeno, and Melissus are about, hates Plato and Aristotle), don't argue with him. He's not interested in a conversation, he just wants you to say that his peculiar interpretation is right. +--- 21953009 +>>21952455 +>Why do I need to chase a shadow? +Why look for the cause? Why answer any question at all? Just sit there and piss on yourself instead. Go find yourself a barrel like Diogenes while you're at it. + +>I can point to it and say "there is a shadow". +>t. prisoner of the cave diff --git a/lit/21936988.txt b/lit/21936988.txt index 277fb87e5bf0327adf42769f6f05eb3058147b4f..88e340f6131c31987f98971a8dd6c2e4a5132f38 100644 --- a/lit/21936988.txt +++ b/lit/21936988.txt @@ -257,3 +257,85 @@ vivo pro sortis necessitudine =~ to conduct oneself according to the obligation( >“so as you believed, IT IS DONE FOR YOU” This is clarified by just shifting the order of the clauses in the translation. "Go; be it so for you, just as you have believed." +--- 21950098 +>>21949552 +Yes but “be it so for you” implies Jesus is just saying “have it your way if you want”. This doesn’t seem to be a correct translation in terms of meaning. Shouldn’t it instead be “it is to be done for you” +--- 21950466 +>>21950098 +i think you are attributing English nuance to the translation. +Maybe "let it be so for you" works better +--- 21950506 +My university offered Latin my freshman year and I took it but due to not enough people signing up for it the second part of the class was canceled. A year later I found they offered it as an online class, I'm getting ready to pass it but due to the gap year between taking the class I struggle with cases, does anyone have any resources or advice on how to re-learn the different Latin cases? +--- 21950509 +>>21950506 +study. there are dozens of textbooks in the mega, pick one and read it +--- 21950534 +Have any anons read the bible in Vulgate Latin or the Old Testament in Koine Greek? +I struggle with the specialised vocabulary and want to know if you anons have any methods/sources to study the vocabulary before hand. +--- 21950800 +>>21950534 +I only ever got to Leviticus in the vulgate before getting bored to death, but eventually now that I also know Greek I'm probably going to look for a bilingual edition and read both together. But I guess since the lexicon is the main problem you may want to get an interlinear edition if possible with quick definitions under each word, that in my experience makes reading a text with this sort of difficulty(e.g the Iliad) more digestible instead of having to jump back and forth from a dictionary. +--- 21951345 +>>21950506 +A similar thing happened to me. I didn't continue with Latin after the first semester so that I could pursue Aramaic and Greek. I thought Greek to be more important to my future studies than Latin and intended on graduating that year. I didn't graduate, I would spend 3 semesters beyond the point I thought I would graduate in school. Because of the lack of Hebrew and Aramaic reading classes (I continued with Greek), I revisited Latin over a year after my first semester. I talked to the teacher, a friend of mine at this point, and he was very happy to tutor me before the start of class. We went through the textbook a few times each week for two weeks, and I would do practice on my own. I wasn't 100% with it by the time the semester started, but I was more prepared than my fellow students who saw no Latin over the summer. I went on to get over a 99% in that class and an even higher grade in the next one, which was more than one step up and taught by a defective, bitchy woman. +--- 21951347 +>>21950800 +I am not allowed an interlinear bible at my university. I am expected to be able to translate accurately when presented with material. +--- 21951367 +Anyone have experience with studying Cuneiform, hieroglyphs, Hebrew and other ancient languages/cultures In a formal setting? +I am wondering if I should study those for my bachelor or just go for Greek and Latin +--- 21951501 +>>21951347 +You can use one in your dorm/apartment. You can look at translations outside of class. Typically, reading classes involve an assigned reading you must prepare for before the next class. I wasn't allowed any notes in my Greek class last semester. The way we were told to prepare was to first read it in English, then work through the Greek and write down any unfamiliar words on a separate piece of paper. We were encouraged to use a dictionary at this point. By the time class took place, I was mostly prepared. +--- 21951535 +>>21951367 +I do not have any experience with cuneiform or hieroglyphic, but I do know Hebrew, Greek, Latin... and I have a friend who knows cuneiform and hieroglyphic. I would suggest doing whatever you most want to do while keeping synergy and job prospects in mind. Is there much overlap between Old Persian and Late Latin? No, so maybe don't choose a pairing like that. If you did Old Persian, Akkadian, Sumerian, Ugaritic, Hurrian, and Hittite, then Old Persian would make sense. Egyptian, Akkadian, Hebrew, and some other ANE languages would make sense too. Learn a language because you can use that language in the future. The future can be hard to discern, especially for a liberal arts student, but you should have a little bit of an idea about how useful a language might be. +--- 21951582 +>>21951501 +The language and area I will ultimately be studying depends on my specialty: Egyptology, Assyriology or Hebrew/Aramaic. +I find both Assyriology and Egyptology fascinating but can't decide between either of those nor if I should study Greek and Latin. +It is hard for me to imagine getting a job as an Assyriologist or Egyptologist. It seems to me that Greek and Latin is a safer bet. +--- 21951631 +>>21951501 +For my religious study degree's translation tests I am only told that it will be of the New or Old Testament. Yes I will have already read it in 2 other languages and translated some parts in class or at home, but still it is rather difficult for me as they usually pick passages with esoteric Greek in it. +--- 21952028 +>>21936988 (OP) +For Greek and Latin works, is it better to read French, English, or spanish translations generally? Are french and Spanish better able to capture the essence of Greek and Latin? Or are English translations generally better? Or does it not matter? +Also, if you can, what's the best start with the Greeks flowchart you guys have? +And what are some things I should be thinking of as I read through them? Sorry the questions are not specifically about language +--- 21952038 +>>21951582 +Semitics is definitely an option, and if you're the typical anti-woke 4chan user, then I would recommend Semitics over Classics. Semitics is rooted in texts, language, and archaeology, unlike contemporary Classics, which has become infiltrated by DIE. I have Semiticist friends, and they wholeheartedly agree with me on this point. +The job opportunities for Semitics are shit, but they're no worse than they are for Classics. Maybe, the opportunities are better. If your university has lots of classes (or has access to other universities that do) in the languages you want to study, then go for Semitics. If I go to grad school, I don't think I will do anything other than Semitics, despite also enjoying Latin and Greek on their own merits. +If you have other questions, I'm happy to answer them here or by email. +--- 21952058 +>>21951631 +>For my religious study degree's translation tests I am only told that it will be of the New or Old Testament. +Are these your grad school comps? If so, I am a bit perplexed as to why you are asking here. Are you starting your degree this fall? Comps are hard, but by the time you get to them, you should be well-prepared. +--- 21952251 +Any image in a better resolution? +I need the name of the books. +--- 21952315 +>>21952251 +here u go +--- 21952649 +>>21952315 +>Gildersleeve and Lodge +>not Allen & Greenough +The first dictionary listed is awful, beyond that pretty good chart +--- 21952734 +Should I post the Ecclesiastical Pronounciation Tapes of LLPSI on Internet Archive, I couldn't find them for free anywhere and had to pay like a cuck +--- 21953004 +>>21952315 +This chart is fucking horrible, it looks like someone typed "Latin" into amazon and just reposted whatever was at the top of the page. Why the fuck would you wait till after you read Roma Aeterna to read the Vulgate and why is Cassell's not the dictionary of choice instead of that horrible oxford pocket dictionary? This was made by some kid on r/languagelearning for sure. + +I know whoever posted this meant well, but don't share these graphics for languages you can't read, because you are doing more harm than good. +--- 21953150 +>>21952649 +>>not Allen & Greenough +Anne Mahoney, editor of Allen and Greenough's grammar, is an incredibly ugly woman. +--- 21953168 +Is there any latin language porn? +--- 21953335 +>>21937823 +Miserable people are going to be miserable. All I can do is shrug and try to enjoy life. diff --git a/lit/21942168.txt b/lit/21942168.txt index 41e7d0ceb87772f5314a5a33fb6bbcdd677b0485..565e79c6ef4f1039237c0a37352411ee893045f1 100644 --- a/lit/21942168.txt +++ b/lit/21942168.txt @@ -956,3 +956,239 @@ The economic conditions that boomers had were the result of basically the whole --- 21949805 >>21949727 You totally misunderstood my post and the fact that you think it’s /pol/-tier analysis is because you’re the retard who only views things from a narrow culture war lens. When you hear the word liberalism your mind jumps to diversity and inclusion instead of a hegemonic system that governs most of the world and sucks all creativity from life +--- 21949913 +>>21949805 +>a narrow culture war lens +>When you hear the word liberalism your mind jumps to... [a system that] sucks all creativity from life +The irony everyone. LMAO +--- 21949921 +>Is literary fiction no longer at the centre of the culture? (Ask Sally Rooney, Elena Ferrante and Annie Ernaux that question and tell me it’s not.) + + +the average person on the street has no idea who those dumb cunts are +--- 21949938 +>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses + +Can we all be honest about this? It isn't that men don't want to write or read. And it isn't that minorities are publishing now. It's that white women took over the publishing industry; its not necessarily a feminist plot, like some grand conspiracy, but there is no doubt that white women are the problem. They are the most coddled, privileged class out there, and they are in control of the publishing industry. A white female agent told me, to my face, in person, that her agency (all white women) are out to "right the wrongs of the white male" and do not represent them. She said this with pride. Not kidding. +>inb4 your manuscript is shit +Maybe it is, but that's not relevant. +--- 21949943 +>>21943004>>21943148 + +>My theory is that we're going to see a push for 'soft fascism' which will solidify the rolling back of free speech, human rights, etc. that has been vanguarded by the "radical left" while also giving some men some symbolic concessions, maybe a new Playboy Magazine clone funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and less onerous divorce laws. It's also possible there will be another war in the near future, and men need to be flattered into participating. +the only thing for sure is that humanists are still in control of the world and they keep their republic as the norm. This means one thing is for sure is that hypocrisy, sex addiction, and pompous self aggrandizing narratives will be the norm which means jews, women, the bourgeoisie both mercantilist and bureaucratic are here to stay. + + +humanists took power by luck: ie the scientific revolution. without this stuff, they would have had zero support from the plebs and zero material support to popularize firearms to fight and cushy homes and cars to appeal the peasants. +Even the communists allegedly loving science bastardize it and it turns out science doesnt give a shit about politics so if you do shit science the price will be paid sooner or later. As usual it's the population which pays the biggest price and not the bureaucrats nor the merchants. +See the debacle about potatoes in communist russia +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko?useskin=vector + +This is why with the stagnation of physics, they are shitting their pants because they struggle to feed people with easy material life. +They have two attempts to keep republics going on +-put all the cattle inside ''the internet economy'', giving them digital dollars and let the cattle scroll their phone screens all today long in their pods +-bet big on biology+IT to somehow create a new scientific revolution based on consciousness and IT hacks + +There really isn't a republic without populism and feeding people with chinese crap to make the peasants believe they have purchasing power after 1. capitalists pay them very little wages 2. public servants tax heavily their wages. + +I think the biology bet will be a huge dud and the ''living in pod consummating porn all day by giving digital dollars to e-whores'' is way way more realistic. +There will be 2 societies: rich people living in the real world, and poor people living in the internet and not polluting the earth. +--- 21949954 +>>21942168 (OP) +>thoughts? +Don't care, I read literature because I find it enjoyable, the existence of some meme character in the cultural consciousness has zero impact on it. +--- 21949984 +>>21943155 +>>If anyone wants to read about what this is and where we are headed, read The White Goddess by Robert Graves. + All books have either female led societies or matriarchies in power. +>When God Was a Woman -Merlin Stone (nonfiction!) +>Ammonite - Nicola Griffith +>Looking Glass Wars (series) - Frank Beddor +>The White Goddess - Robert Graves +>Wheel of Time (series) - Robert Jordan +>Wonder Woman (especially 40's-60's era!) +>The Matter of Seggri - Ursula K. Le Guin +>Saga of the Exiles (series) - Julian may +--- 21949992 +>>21948591 + +Love is for bourgeois and women +>>21944574 +>The written word is still the best medium to communicate a complex message—there haven't been any serious contenders to its supremacy on that front. +the video is way better than your lengthy crappy texts +--- 21950003 +>>21947116 +>Lately I've been thinking about starting a fascist squad. Get a lot of men together, all wear matching colours, run extortion scams and sell counterfeit cigarettes, and hang out in parks trying to recruit other lonely young men. I wonder how far you could go with this before getting shit down +not far intellectually since fascism is another generic branch of republicanism. +--- 21950011 +>>21948834 +Bourgeois have been trapped between orgies and boredom for the last 300 years. And they created their virtue signaling propaganda precisely to feel good about themselves. +--- 21950307 +>>21949992 +>Love is for bourgeois and women +He's not talking about romantic love, but brotherly. +--- 21950328 +>>21949799 +The problem is everyone has that life now. In America, 70% to 75% of high school graduates go off to college. Not all of them graduate but they go. What that number speaks to is that basically everyone is pushed off into a college degree program to pursue a professional or academic career. So of course writers come out of MFA programs. The alternative is writers from engineering and accounting programs. Life is stale now. The MFAs at least have a technical edge. +--- 21950652 +>>21942168 (OP) +The truth has to be said...young men are utter pigs. Ignoramuses. Cretins. +--- 21950659 +>>21949533 +the experience as a woman is the one most directly relatable to us and it is also the experience and perspective that is being under attack ITT at the hands of bitter men across all cultures and race +--- 21950793 +This thread as made me want to write a story about a bloke in college who takes it upon himself to start a men's club, but constantly butts up against the hags in administration who are accusing him of being racist and sexist and trying to get him expelled. To make matters worse, the only people who show up are fat autists or frat bros. The only thing going for him is the professor he has sponsoring his group is tenured and based. + +The story would follow the winnowing and growth cycles of the club as new initiatives keep getting introduced to the group and slowly the weird fuck ups that joined actually do become successful and happy friends. + +Even the woman who joins the group that he can't kick out without giving the administration an excuse to expel him for sexism. + +I think it could be rather funny and endearing while also hitting on some important points about modern society. +--- 21950810 +>>21950659 +>bitter men + +Why do women use this term to disqualify these men from being considered human? +--- 21950817 +>>21950793 + +They can do Frisbee Golf as an activity +--- 21950863 +>>21949799 +I read a book called The Programme Era by Mark McGurl for my comp-rhet MA’s reading list +--- 21950885 +>>21950817 +Yeah I could use that as a springboard for bitching about stoner culture +--- 21950907 +>>21949921 +>the average person on the street has no idea who those dumb cunts are +The average person's knowledge of authors stopped in the mid 2000s. Rowling, King, Meyer. That's it. Other than EL James, I can't think of anyone else. +--- 21950911 +>>21950659 +But you never write about those women, only American women. Even when you write about muh POC, it's always AMERICAN people of color. Where's my Mandaean woman? +--- 21951150 +>>21950911 +Americans are the only humans on this earth who matter. Haven't you noticed? +--- 21951181 +>>21951150 +But Mandaean Americans do exist. So do Kurdish ones, so do Assyrian ones, so do Americans of all sorts of ethnicities, tribes, et cetera. But all you ever see are WASPs, blacks, Asians (Japs/Koreans/Chinese, MAYBE a Filipino) and Mexicans. And like I said, it's not even just about race. If we're all about diversity, where are my antinatalists? My misanthropes? My Distributists? My Socreds (the economic philosophy, not the Chinese shit)? You want to shitpost about sick, fucked up shit? Okay, then where are my korephiles? These people don't seem to notice that for all their talk about representation, they seem to only represent a certain amount of the country. And it's always well off folks, too. Hell, I'll never forget Angie fucking Thomas shitting on a Gen Z kid for wanting to read about police brutality in college instead of Sarah Dessen's well off white bitch stories. Yep. For all the talk about white privilege and the like, Angie Thomas and other black authors leapt to a white woman's defense....over a Gen Z kid of color lol +--- 21951220 +>>21951181 +Non-white Americans aren’t really Americans. When people from other countries imagine what an American is, they’re not thinking of Asian or Latino people who, frankly, shouldn’t be in the country to begin with. The country and virtually all of its political, academic, cultural, artistic institutions of note were established by white people. The only reason any non-white people are even in the US is due to political corruption. +--- 21951249 +>>21951181 +Identities don't count unless they can be commodities and marketed by Disney. +--- 21951393 +>>21950793 +I'd read it +--- 21951394 +>>21951181 +This. Preach it. +--- 21951701 +>>21951393 +Unfortunately I wouldn't be able to release such a book until a year from now at the earliest, unless I ditched my already started projects. I'll add it to my inspiration file though. +--- 21951782 +>>21951220 +Cope. Michael Jackson, Hendrix, Louis Armstrong, Tupac, Samuel L Jackson, Obama are as iconically American as eg Elvis, John Wayne or JFK +--- 21951901 +>>21951220 +Boo fucking hoo. What are your white americans even doing to save the last vestiges of your culture? For their supposed status as cultural powerhouses, white Americans are entirely devoid of any form of culture whatsoever, and they operate entirely on the premise of an economical correspondence. That is partly the fault of the sheer institutionalization that has taken place, but whiteness is categorically at fault as well, for trying to export it to the rest of the world. +The entire globe now suffers from the weary dregs of commercialization. +What's worse, is that other cultures get dragged into the milquetoast pot of deadened and unlively whiteness as well. +I'm sorry anon, and I genuinely mean this, but it is genuinely over for white people to have a modicum of self-respect anymore; and with such a baseline requirement for the creation of good art being seemingly gone to the winds, it is only apt that good art disappear from your cultural vernacular as well. +--- 21951913 +>>21951782 +> Obama +Maybe to non-Americans +--- 21952535 +>>21951220 + +Have you ever heard of Blues? +--- 21952612 +>>21952535 +>>21951782 +As usual, you morons fixate on a couple of outliers while ignoring the average. And what examples did you give me? A handful of people who wrote some songs, an actor, and a president whose entire term was defined by an economic recession and by his administration not accomplishing anything. Cool. + +>>21951901 +I didn’t read more than the first few words of your post because I can tell from the way you formatted it that you’re an idiot. On a certain level I understand your resentment, because I’m sure you’ve realized how subordinate you are. Whites invented the device you’re reading this with. They invented the coding and the infrastructure that makes your internet access possible. They designed and created the power plants that power the device you’re reading this with, and the language you’re reading it in. The Western literary canon, which you’re on this forum to discuss, was also created by white people, as was the university you went to, and in fact the entire concept of research universities. Even the abstract ideals you make use of, such as free speech, are Western, white ideals. Your high standard of living, which you also enjoy, isn’t something that occurred naturally in whatever dump of a country your family came from, so they had to relocate to a white country to be able to lead any sort of meaningful life. You can bitch and moan all you like, but you know it’s true. It’s why white people always laugh off racial slurs like “honkey” or “peckerwood.” Slurs only work if the person they’re directed at feels inferior to the person saying it. Notice how angry people get when you say such things about other groups of people. +--- 21952629 +>>21944570 +--- 21952647 +There is a great paradox. Women claim to be oppressed, yet have dedicated programs, subsidies, and quotas focused on giving them preferential treatment in jobs and positions of power. Men (particularly white men) are framed as oppressors who are holding back women and sexual/racial minorities, yet are the only group that have policies dedicated towards preventing them from being hired or admitted to a certain university over a minority or woman. There aren't any scholarships awarded to white men for being white and/or male, or any mandates that there must be a certain amount of white men in a job or institution, but there are for minorities and women. This contradiction is blatantly obvious and creates a double standard and feelings of resentment, yet the media and institutions will pretend it is not the case and try to gaslight people into thinking the opposite of reality is truth. Obviously this will not end well, as the masses will develop cognitive dissonance if they continue to try and follow the manufactured consensus. This is a deliberate strategy on the part of the dominant elites who seek to maintain their hegemony over society. + +But one must remember, this system is not invincible. It contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction. We can utilize the great dialectical methods learned from the titans of European philosophy to expose the internal contradictions in this decadent neoliberal globalist regime and exploit them. It is a system built on propaganda. Power, corruption, and lies. White men are the casualties and targets of this regime for many reason, but not the which of least is the white man being the most critical and subversive demographic, the most creative and daring, the men who move mountains and change history, those capable of denouncing the established order and inventing a new order. We are the descendants of the great thinkers, leaders, inventors, and writers of the past, and they want us divorced from that heritage in order to become a rootless cosmopolitan molded as a tool of the liberal capitalist global project. We must vehemently reject this and their discriminatory tactics, and behave as subversive revolutionaries living under a hostile regime, because that is what we are as a straight white male who is not ashamed of that fact. We must reconnect with the heritage of the great thinkers and the great movements that have marked the history of humanity in order to continue to advance it forward. +--- 21952719 +>>21952647 +based +--- 21952830 +>>21952612 +Only a really dull person would try to argue that American culture is "white." There is so much black DNA you cannot even start to separate it and today the culture is probably fully half black. + +All pop music ultimately comes from the blues/rock-n-roll tradition which has black origins. The only white music that exists is country music and nobody listens to that. + +An America without black people would be just like a version of Russia with meth-addict hicks in trailer homes. +--- 21953001 +>>21952612 +>spergs out and starts listing a bunch of random inventions +Kek what a retard +--- 21953019 +>>21952830 +>An America without black people would be just like a version of Russia with meth-addict hicks in trailer homes. +Unbelievably delusional +--- 21953085 +>>21942421 +Couldn't say it better. I studied English Literature in a relatively cushy liberal-arts college and after the way I came out of it I would support a modern Pol Pot. +--- 21953225 +>>21952830 +The fact that black America has turned out a few dozen notable musicians and hundreds of competent athletes doesn’t even the score in any meaningful way. Whites in America created aviation, space travel, and split the atom while their black contemporaries did what exactly, created the Blues? +--- 21953262 +>>21942168 (OP) +>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses, +It is and it's a well known fact you can't get published unless you're brown and/or have a twat. Taking cock up your ass also helps. +--- 21953296 +>>21942168 (OP) +>The decline of male literary fiction is not down to a feminist conspiracy in publishing houses, nor is it evidence that the novel itself is in decline. +this is cap. also it completely contradicted by the following sentences, this guy is a hack and the article is ragebait +--- 21953304 +>>21942168 (OP) +he/s talking about why aren't (White) men nominated for awards and prizes as much now when criteria for said awards (and every other field in public Western life) is "Less White Men" +--- 21953312 +>>21952830 +White (and by extension American) culture is things like wearing clothes and using the toilet. A shitskin such as yourself you never hope to amount to anything beyond complaining about your superiors in English, on the Internet, using electricity etc etc etc +--- 21953316 +>>21953225 +they probably were busy with recovering from a history of slavery while being faced with everyday racism. +--- 21953339 +>>21949225 +This. That ship has fucking sailed. No man wants to serve in the military. Why fight and die for a nation that hates you? They're going to have to bring back outright conscription if they don't want the armed forces to shrink to nothing. + +And it serves them right. This is the future they wanted, isn't it? +--- 21953526 +>>21943885 +So.. what other avenues are you looking for? +The point here is that yes, the system is unfair - especially towards white, straight males currently, at least from a social perspective. There is also some responsibility on you to take action and find a way through these difficulties anyway. Your only other option is to rot and erode into nothing in an unfair world. +--- 21953541 +>>21946296 +You're describing existence in a world you despise for being unjust. +What more call to action do you need? A secret uncle to burst into your house and tell you you're a wizard? +Your angst is your call to action, faggot. Or it is your eternal doom. +--- 21953741 +>>21946294 +Pre-2008 I would not agree with this anon at all. +2008-2012 I would begrudgingly agree. +2013-2016 I would definitely agree +2017+ and I think the future is definitely female, the demoralization is complete and only the niggers are allowed to act out as part of the anarcho-tyranny scheme that keeps all the gun-owning boomers scared as fuck and paying their taxes. The real estate money bribe given to the older generations is also another powerful nail in the coffin of young men because if you are in your early 20's in 2023 and not well on your way to home ownership, you are probably going to be perma-fucked. + +Life post-COVID is just the establishment doing everything it can to tighten the screws while nobody can resist at all without being destroyed by the system. +--- 21953747 +>>21946829 +Being 44, I can tell you that 15-20 years ago it was like a different fucking planet. I remember in 2013 or so when the Trayvon Martin thing happened and I said "no way is Zimmerman guilty, I bet Trayvon attacked him" and the next day I checked Facebook I had 50+ friends attacking me over "that poor kid Trayvon" and calling Zimmerman a nazi white supremacist murderer. Like a young 17 year old punk kid didn't actually attack him and bash Zimmerman's head into the concrete? + +After that, I lost 100+ Facebook friends because I doubled down and said that the truth would come out that Zimmerman was innocent and Trayvon is not the "nice kid" the media portrayed him as. + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAw5ykIPOBM [Embed] + +Fucking incredible. I was right again. +--- 21953772 +>>21953747 +Hi bot diff --git a/lit/21942673.txt b/lit/21942673.txt index 7805be979fcd64aaa434d993cab3093bd69a3051..82cd93629d5fed698720afa32729c0873aaf6ae9 100644 --- a/lit/21942673.txt +++ b/lit/21942673.txt @@ -205,3 +205,68 @@ Nothing will happen, fearmonger. --- 21949866 >>21945509 Found this today. Excuse the quality, I made it in a hurry. +--- 21949948 +Never read lotr before. What’s the best edition bros? Or should I read the Hobbit first? +--- 21950062 +>>21942692 +Forget the content. The cover has nothing to do with the TITLE. +>they couldn't even put the ring on the hand that's showing +>it's just some literally who from the amazon series +What the hell? +--- 21950140 +>>21949948 +Read the Hobbit first, it's comfy and you'll enjoy LotR more. +--- 21950166 +>>21949948 +Read the Hobbit first. Then LOTR. Then Similrilion. Then Tales from the perilous realm +--- 21950175 +>>21947207 +>that face +I see that same face everywhere and I don't really understand why. What's up with americans trying to make "medieval" characters that look exactly like mall bimbos with a tan? Not like the rest of the cover isn't horrible, but the omnipresence of that same shitty face disturbs me. +--- 21950176 +>>21942673 (OP) +This is what i get for listening on audible instead of actually picking the book up. But i just HAD to hear the guy who plays Gollum do imitations of the actors from the movie. assalamu alaikum +--- 21950180 +>>21946692 +It's the eye of Sauron +--- 21950188 +>>21949768 +While I believe there is deeper cultural, political and even religious aspects to it, you are absolutely right in most cases: people relate ugly, "elegant", minimalistic covers with professionalism. They see the crappy, seamless elements as evocative and thus necessary for a book to be taken seriously. There is a fundamental rejection of sincerity in favor of pretentiousness that kills beauty. +--- 21950205 +>>21947451 +And just like that other stuff there is a barrier from people who are just there to fuck the sexy actor/actress who plays a part in the nerd movie, and the people who actually read the shit. Unfortunately the people who only casually watch the shit to be cool are trying to push the people who have been into the nerd stuff longer out. Maybe I want to talk about the time Spider-Man died trying to save a little girl from a freon explosion. It gets covered up by the soiboy who wants to debate which actor played the best Peter and which played the best Spider-Man. +Maybe I want to go ahead and learn elvish based on what Tolkien wrote in his songs. It's blocked out by the attention whore playing the Gollum game on Twitch. So what are you going to do? +--- 21950626 +>>21949856 +They are blackslisting fucking Scrooge Mcducks comics, you're fucking retard if you think they won't edit lord of the rings sooner or later. +--- 21950649 +>>21945509 +is that an actual ASOIAF commissioned art piece though, or just a random fantasy looking picture +--- 21950802 +>>21950166 +>>21950140 +Thanks guys +--- 21952147 +>>21945509 +/co/ here. We're suffering too. We've gone from Ralph Bakinski to Amphibia. From Conan the Barbarian to fucking the recent Dungeons and Dragons. It's not looking good +--- 21952150 +>>21952147 +Amphibia is great +--- 21952163 +>>21952150 +lmao. On what basis? It's derivative globohomo bullshit aimed at kids. +--- 21952178 +>>21952163 +Have you actually watched it? It is great, I liked it quite alot +--- 21952226 +>>21950649 +yes that's catelyn meeting her uncle (or I guess it could be some other random knight) in the vale, she has the dagger and everything +there were others for the first few books +--- 21952266 +Harry Potter had "adult" editions at the peak of its popularity and they actually sold really well. People didn't want to be seen reading childrens literature in public. +--- 21952575 +>>21952178 +I already told you I come from /co/. I don't. WATCH. cartoons. Just like /lit/ doesn't read. And /v/ doesn't play video games. +--- 21953178 +>>21946935 +beautiful covers ngl diff --git a/lit/21943110.txt b/lit/21943110.txt index 75f239a713c165bfbb4ccf64ead5f36b7603e736..149ae948874c9cd36f9bb0d589f81afdc6b7030d 100644 --- a/lit/21943110.txt +++ b/lit/21943110.txt @@ -233,3 +233,132 @@ https://youtu.be/5Kwi5zvgU4Q [Embed] --- 21949667 >>21949612 Most readers are dumb, and Humbert is a manipulative narrative character. "Lolita" is invented. The name of the child isn't even "Delores Hayes." which is a pseudonym invented by Humbert. Reread it with everything Humbert say, both the fake romance, the "everyone in the village fucked her" like when Quilty's Cousin Filled Her Cavities, the real rapes he describes accurately that people miss… and remember that it is all a self-gratifying and justifying narrative invented by the Humbert Narrative voice, wrapped in a plain narrative wrapper ("we found this diary"), which is written by Nabokov who is trying to fuck you. +--- 21950437 +>>21945223 +That article gave me a lot of insight into Ada, thanks for linking it. +--- 21950475 +>>21943110 (OP) +Are you fucking retarded? Genuinely, you and majority of the people replying under this thread have such low comprehension skills it’s almost sad. HH presents the story through a warped perspective, one in which his delusions manifest into perceiving false events as fact. Dolores is not a seductress, that is HH’s internal justification that he applies to the situation in order to make his action’s seem less abhorrent. You dumb cunts can legitimately search up Nabokovs intent to prove my point. It is an unreliable perspective. Fucking idiots +--- 21950480 +>>21945072 +Pale Fire is his greatest composition. +--- 21951217 +She dosed her eyes and opened her mouth, leaning back on the cushion, one felted foot on the floor. The wooden floor slanted, a little steel ball would have rolled into the kitchen. I knew all I wanted to know. I had no intention of torturing my darling. Somewhere beyond Bill's shack an afterwork radio had begun singing of folly and fate, and there she was with her ruined looks and her adult, rope-veined narrow hands and her gooseflesh white arms, and her shallow ears, and her unkempt armpits, there she was (my Lolita!), hopelessly worn at seventeen, with that baby, dreaming already in her of becoming a big shot and retiring around 2020 a.d. —and I looked and looked at her, and knew as clearly as I know I am to die, that I loved her more than anything I had ever seen or imagined on earth, or hoped for anywhere else. She was only the faint violet whiff and dead leaf echo of the nymphet I had rolled myself upon with such cries in the past; an echo on the brink of a russet ravine, with a far w-ood under a white sky, and brown leaves choking the brook, and one last cricket in the crisp weeds... but thank God it was not that echo alone that I worshiped. What I used to pamper among the tangled vines of my heart, mon grand péché radieux, had dwindled to its essence: sterile and selfish wee, all that I canceled and cursed. You may jeer at me, and threaten to clear the court, but until I am gagged and half-throttled, I will shout my poor truth. I insist the world know how much I loved my Lolita, this Lolita, pale and polluted, and big with another’s child, but still gray-eyed, still sooty-lashed, still auburn and almond, still Carmencita, still mine; Changeons de vie, ma Carmen, allons vivre quelque part où nous ne serons jamais séparés; Ohio? The wilds of Massachusetts? No matter, even if those eyes of hers would fade to myopic fish, and her nipples swell and crack, and her lovely young velvety delicate delta be tainted and tom—even then I would go mad with tenderness at the mere sight of your dear wan face, at the mere sound of your raucous young voice, my Lolita. +--- 21951494 +>>21943272 +What is an 'unreliable narrator'? +--- 21951505 +>>21943684 +>Couldn't finish. +maybe take a few nights off? +--- 21951534 +>>21946910 +based. To bad they were chinks instead of jews. +--- 21951550 +>>21945223 +>unhealthy relationship Humbert had with Lolita. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/16/silent-partner-books-judith-thurman + +>a article written by a jew painting a famous person's marriage in a bad light. +take with a grain of salt maybe? +--- 21951553 +>>21949612 +I dont think the attractiveness is real anywhere but his mind. He describes himself as very dashing but also as a "foul-smelling, heavy-limbed, adult" and later in the book his presence on someone's yard is enough for neighbour's to basically call the cops +--- 21951560 +>>21946942 +>I felt bad about using it someone just to get off +I can think of at least a dozen times I DIDN'T get laid because of this mentality. + +...make that two dozen. +--- 21951565 +>>21943684 +>Couldn't finish +Really? I finished four times while reading it. +--- 21951566 +>>21951217 +>this bewilders and disconcerts the plotfag +--- 21951568 +>>21951534 +I have to concur +--- 21951581 +>these absolute retards in this thread filtered by the most famous example of an unreliable narrator +--- 21951601 +>>21951581 +I wanna be this guy when I grow up. Especially as he can still be pretentious after downing 3 bottles of wine while waiting to meet the chef. +--- 21951619 +>>21951550 +Have you read Ada or Ardor? Fits like a glove +--- 21951626 +Do you fags even pay attention when you read? + +>"We had been everywhere. We had really seen nothing. And I catch myself thinking today that our long journey had only defiled with a sinuous trail of slime the lovely, trustful, dreamy, enormous country, that, by then, in retrospect, was no more than a collection of dog-eared maps, ruined tour books, old tires and her sobs in the night—every night, every night—the moment I feigned sleep." +--- 21951710 +>>21951553 +i mean he got 3 wives at least. also, he was on a rough patch on the yard scene. but yeah u could be right +--- 21951715 +>>21951601 +>when i grow up +anon... i... +--- 21951725 +>>21951715 +kids are getting into literature, how wholesome! +--- 21951798 +>>21949612 +>so how is the reader meant to empathize with humbert after that? and even more importantly, how is it that so many people did?! +my thoughts exactly. This is basically my goodreads review thought for thought. +>for example if we take the attractiveness of humbert to be real then ... +this would be a fine direction the book could have gone, but I personally think the way it's written, it's just Humbert's narcissism and he's actually not that attractive. maybe not hideous, but not as handsome as he thinks he is. He keeps talking about how he's a ladies man and all that, but look at the women he's been with, and they all seem like complete wrecks. Valeria is described as "large, puffy, short-legged, & big breasted." Charlotte is described with like this: "The poor lady was in her middle thirties, she had a shiny forehead, plucked eyebrows and quite simple but not unattractive features of a type that may be defined as a weak solution of Marlene Dietrich." "Not unattractive" doesn't sound like a glowing endorsement. I think it's reasonable to conclude they're the only women willing to date Humbert. +>>21950480 +ty I'll read that next as planned and Ada after that. +>>21951550 +good call. these (((people))) exist only to destroy +--- 21951871 +>>21951798 +So Jews are evil and therefore Nabokov's marriage to his Jewish wife was great? Or do you want to have it both ways? +I'd be more interested in engagement with the content of the article though +--- 21951903 +>>21945223 +>>21946942 +>>21947741 +>>21947919 +Nice try ChatGPT +--- 21952037 +>>21951871 +>take with a grain of salt maybe? +>good call, the author may have an agenda +>SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWISH??? +for a person on a board dedicated to reading, you have pretty abysmal reading comprehension +--- 21952138 +>>21951903 +Wtf my post here >>21947741 is not chatGPT and the other guy admitted to just being high on amphetamines and trying to bait me into trauma dumping about past relationships. I’m mainly saying Nabokov’s intent for writing Lolita as farce was predicted by Dosto with the Rataziaev character in Poor Folk, and it links to influential social media accounts in the art connected world acting like theater/band kids when they all start having weird freaky sex with each other in the chase of the Gyntian self +--- 21952162 +>>21952138 +>the other guy admitted to just being high on amphetamines and trying to bait me into trauma dumping about past relationships +I assume you're referring to me ( >>21945223 >>21947919 ) here? I've been off amphetamines for about a year, and I certainly wasn't baiting you, not sure where you got that idea unless you confused me with someone else +--- 21952433 +>>21951710 +Wasn't his first wife some impoverished immigrant who left him for some other guy? And Dolores' mom was an older, unattractive woman. Maybe the type of person desperate for a romantic attachment and fine to settle for the most interesting accent who pursues her +--- 21952628 +>>21951601 +You wanna be gay? +--- 21952718 +>>21951601 +after downing 3 bottles of wine is when it's easiest to be pretentious +--- 21952876 +>>21952433 +He describes Charlotte as attractive. His issue with her is her physical maturity. +--- 21952890 +>>21952433 +Didnt Nabokov get Jeremy Irons to play HH +--- 21953015 +>>21943751 +>HH is not to be trusted +Why not? +--- 21953023 +>>21943790 +The whole gimmick of to catch a predator is pretending to be a little girl to seduce a pedo to catch him. It's still wrong, but they are not lying. +--- 21953338 +>>21952890 +He was dead 20 years before that film was made, so no. In the Kubrick version the character is played by James Mason, a very handsome guy. I think this makes it an unfilmable book for the most part since I don't believe Humbert is attractive. It's even in the name; Humbert Humbert, which is unbelievably ugly. +--- 21953408 +>>21953023 +I meant the excuses "she talked to me first," "she said she was 18" and do on... Humbert makes similar excuses like "she begged me for sex," "she already had sex, I saved her,"and "she was the dominant one"... its all bs... diff --git a/lit/21943467.txt b/lit/21943467.txt index 46ed65b94a46e32bffe7a79e83a79da9455fb28f..1d5edc1f7cce024ed3b9db624cf0d70f5bb8eebb 100644 --- a/lit/21943467.txt +++ b/lit/21943467.txt @@ -123,3 +123,65 @@ Am I being vulgar or is she peeing into piss jug of which there are many behind I considered being a writer of novels in my youth but I noticed that all the writers of any importance were men who had access to all levels of society. This is far easier for upper class wealthy people than it is for lower class poor people. Upper class people can move up and down the social ladder at will, observing the manners and morals (and especially the various speech patterns ) of various classes, not to mention their main concerns in life. The poor will be obsessed with mere survival while the upper class participate in the life of a society at it's greatest breadth of activities. A poor man can only fantasize about such things or read what others with access to the political and cultural issues of the day, and this means he's doomed to be derivative or just wrong in his imaginary depictions of how the ruling clases think, work and speak. I was born poor and have been poor all my life thus writing was out of the question. +--- 21950010 +>>21948330 +couldn't care less about that bait if I tried +--- 21950054 +>>21943467 (OP) +All you have to do is get mommy and daddy to pay for it +--- 21950385 +>>21943467 (OP) +I do not wish to get published, because I do not write for the public. Furthermore, publishers have no taste. +--- 21950600 +>>21943467 (OP) +>Frankly if someone said I had to suck a publisher's dick for a publishing deal, I'd do it. +Not that desperate. I'll self-publish or even post on Royal Road and take my chances with Patreon first. I just want to give traditional publishing an honest try before I consider the alternatives. +--- 21950899 +>>21950600 +Self-publishing is a joke, there are no other alternatives +--- 21951869 +>all these self "publishers" coping their balls off +If you self publisher, you're pathetic and I don't take you seriously +--- 21951909 +>>21943467 (OP) +My pal just got his book published he did it by hard work and a lot of patience +--- 21951926 +I am not desperate but I would suck anyone's dick so long as they weren't diseased or covered in smegma +--- 21952039 +>>21950054 +Can't you get a job? +--- 21952095 +What’s the point? Unless it’s YA Fantasy garbage nobody will read it +--- 21952107 +>>21943467 (OP) +I feel an odd and shameful attraction to such spiritually hollowed women as the one portrayed above +--- 21952189 +>>21950899 +>>21951869 +Weird how /lit/ is full of reflexive loyalty for traditional publishing. It pays authors less and is riddled with white college educated women. The only reasons I can imagine to go traditional are if you are publishing something that sells better physically, or if you are already in a successful position and want to grow further from a position of strength. New authors in many genres should always self-publish first, and traditional later after they are in a position to negotiate. +--- 21952550 +>>21944783 +But why? What do you have to say that's so interesting you're dying to share it with others? +--- 21952840 +>>21951926 +They are all diseased. Everybody has some kind of herpes. You do'nt nee that shit in your throat causing you cancer anon + +Suck on a nice popsicle or something. There's plenty of good stuff to suck on. Lollipops, chupachups for example. I gues you could suck on a banana +--- 21952865 +>>21943467 (OP) +I can't publish you but you can still suck mine. +--- 21952943 +>>21943467 (OP) +I'm writing something that is pandering to agent taste (but still in line with what I want to do). So I'm willing to compromise, but not to sell out. +--- 21952955 +>>21945220 +queries: ~120 total +ms: 3 complete 1 partial +--- 21953371 +I'm honestly not sure what to do about the current story I'm working on. It's a very strange beast; it's a blend of prose and poetry, science fiction with some heavy literary elements, very maximalist and lush in the way it is written, a fundamentally Christian story but not squeaky clean or saccharine. + +It's a weird beast and I've never been able to find a home for the first few books. This, despite the guys who have read it telling me it's really good. I've gotten good feedback from various publishers over the years, but nobody seems to want to take the plunge on it. + +So I confess in my desire to get it out into the world, I have given some thought to self-publishing it. I've thought of pulling a The Martian and releasing it serially on my blog, using my social media to promote it. + +It's rough going, /lit/. I have absolute confidence in this story. I fully believe in it. But I don't seem to know how to get it in front of everybody's eyeballs. Traditional publishing, thus far, has let me down. diff --git a/lit/21943904.txt b/lit/21943904.txt index caddc4f45d2dc4c67d217503ba288abce655c888..3018b7f561fee274355ceb69a1b5daa50101bd59 100644 --- a/lit/21943904.txt +++ b/lit/21943904.txt @@ -558,3 +558,215 @@ This person isnt even OP, I dont know what he is doing --- 21949859 >>21949529 I read Hegel, Schopenhaur, Nietzsche, Kripke, Wittgenstein and most analytic literature… but my centeral interest and intellectual affiliation is hegel +--- 21949931 +>>21948657 +Even if I did write a novel solution to the problem I wouldnt publish it. No serious hegelian logician cares for paradoxes. +--- 21949946 +>>21947914 +Your writing is informal, hard to follow and glosses over key details. Citing other people isn't just academia bullshit, it connects your propositions to already accepted arguments. But no editor will read what you write because you look like a crank or a schizo. Work on your writing and maybe reach out to people. +--- 21949969 +>>21946400 +>give me an example of something in metaphysics and epistemology or something which you think is retarded bullshit. +Pretty much any paper on standpoint epistemology is either trivial (who you are shapes your experience of the world) or retarded bullshit (who you are shapes your experience of the world in a manner that makes it inaccessible to everyone else, so there is no point in even writing a paper about it). +No exceptions. +--- 21950012 +>>21943904 (OP) +OP get the fuck over yourself. Take acid, touch grass, go to church. Just log off. +--- 21950029 +>>21949946 +Yeah this, it reads as a disregard for philosophy. "As Wittgenstein has rightly observed" - where? And he didn't "observe" it as this is a term with its own metaphysical presuppositions that are ignored by the text +--- 21950031 +>>21949946 +I have cited multiple references and sources which directly underpin my thoughts. Further, if you were attentive enough to read the op, you would know that it mentioned an interpretation of Kripke and Vedanta (Also Descartes, Hegel, Kant and Schopenhauer in the ultimate format) which represent sufficient intellectual foreshadowing of the paper. +--- 21950050 +>>21950029 +Wittgenstein himself regarded philosophy as an activity of experience, not a methodological intellectual endeavor. You’re an idiot who cannot apprehend colloquial semantics. The term is usually used in philosophical literature, you would know if you read +--- 21950058 +>>21943904 (OP) +>Why are my papers never accepted in philosophical journals? +Go full Nietzsche, and just self-publish. +If you do become a cultural phenomenon, the academics will be forced to suck up and regard you no matter the style. +--- 21950102 +Maybe you can try self-publishing online. Somebody might actually read it, even if there's a low chance. Some academic journals, there will be no one who reads. I come across a lot of online niches that are bigger and livelier than academic ones. +The fact is, nobody reads academic philosophy papers except academic philosophers. In fact, I'm surprised that anyone else on /lit/ knows who Saul Kripke is. I've read him and people like Putnam, Schwitzgebel, Nagel, Strawson, Dennet, and Chalmers in undergrad. You probably recognize these names from undergrad, too. Someone oriented to a different specialty, like ethics, could produce a similar set of obscure names. Some of them are famous in the world of contemporary analytic philosophy. Most in that world have to take them seriously. Chalmers is kinda famous, and Dennet is famous just for being a fedora tipping atheist. In my opinion, his academic work is lame, and he's a pissant philosopher. +I hated reading this shit in undergrad. I made a poor effort, but I acquired a taste for these kinds of papers. I want grand metaphysical narratives, and cutting skeptical inquiry, and philosophy today is bogged in mud. The thing about Hegel, Kant, Schopenhauer, Locke, and Descartes is that lots of people read them. Ordinary people. People who were not academics. And people read them today. +People read Plato. Catholics read Aquinas. Protestants read Augustine. Jews read Maimonides. Liberals read Voltaire. Reactionaries read Carl Schmitt. +But very few people read academic philosophers except undergrads and academic philosophers (and within their specific area, like political theory, mind, ethics, or science). It seems to be a vaunted tradition, and it is. But ultimately, it is just a tradition. I don't fault professors, because they see it for what it is, they know publishing isn't about philosophy, but their career. And the papers being written in it now are so contextualized in niches and formal academic speak, they have expiration dates. They're interested in tiny, small maneuvers that will be forgotten, and change for seemingly no reason. +My advice, ditch the research style taught in undergrad if you start self-publishing. Or, you could go on with postgrad and then self-publish. +--- 21950155 +>>21944165 +grow the fuck up academy drone +thinking for yourself isn't as scary as you think, thoughts have value in themselves, without an authority to support them +--- 21950160 +>>21950102 +nta + +>obscure names +>Dennett +He is +-one of the main proponents of memetics, +-the key originator of the Universal Darwinism metaphysical paradigm +-the originator of heterophenomenology +-the guy who had a huge beef with Stephen Jay Gould +-the who coined lots of memorable terms like Cartesian Theatre, Multiple drafts model, Gregorian Creatures, etc. +And he actually writes in a clear comprehensible manner. + +>his academic work is lame, and he's a pissant philosopher. +While I am not an analytic philosopher and disregard Kripke/Nagel/Chalmers, I think Dennett is legitimately great (though not perfect). + +>Schwitzgebel +This one is friends with Scott Bakker. And Bakker also complained of troubles of getting published academically, having academically published only "On Alien Philosophy" article and "On the Death of Meaning" chapter in some book. +--- 21950191 +>>21950102 +>My advice, ditch the research style taught in undergrad if you start self-publishing +I should say, properly learn it before you ditch it. Your samples are not correct for the form they expect, from what I can see. Some usage of philosophical terms (terms of art) is acceptable, but not a lot of them clumped together. +In most papers, it's necessary to give credence to what dispute or question you're handling, and what that question looks like in the current state of philosophy. It needs an introduction, and your thesis, no matter how modest, needs to be clearly stated. Even if the thesis is conceptually ambiguous, it can be clearly stated. It might vary depending on the discipline, but generally one should be able to read a single paragraph introduction and understand your paper, even with a mere basic familiarity with the field. +Say, in philosophy of mind, +>Eliminative materialism is the idea that.... +>... and I will state that this form of materialism is improperly stated or argued. +Here's an actual excerpt, from a man named Grover Maxwell. "Rigid Designators and Mind-Brain Identity." +>A kind of mind-brain identity theory that is immune to recent objections by Kripke (1971 and 1972) is outlined and defended in this paper. For reasons, the details of which will be given later, I have characterized the view as *nonmaterialist physicalism.* +Someone who's been taught the very basics of philosophy of mind will know what identity theory means. The rest of it is contextualized by specific citations. The terms of art, we know, will be specifically defined. +--- 21950219 +>>21950102 +Insightful comment, I shall seek different endeavors for publishing once I collect a decent amount of serious work that I regard revolutionary. Im not undergrad, I havent gone into university yet and still have to finish highshool, I wrote my first thesis on Kantian biology at the age of 15 (Im now 18) in a different language and still have the manuscript today, also thinking of revising and adding it to the anthology since it still astonishes me as I read it. +--- 21950226 +>>21950102 +>People read Plato. Catholics read Aquinas. Protestants read Augustine. Jews read Maimonides. Liberals read Voltaire. Reactionaries read Carl Schmitt. +>But very few people read academic philosophers except undergrads +The problem is, that you treat academia as a political/religious group that recites their mantras. +If academic philosophers are not 'read', it is because they become obsolete too fast. That means, actual progress has been made and everyone moved on. +--- 21950228 +>>21944012 +--- 21950232 +>>21950160 +I agree with his disparaging of Dennet. No intelligent philosopher who is genuinely versed in Idealist theory could ever take him seriously. Your disregarding of Kripke it just indicative of insufferable idiocy. +--- 21950246 +>>21950160 +Most of that is impressive only among academic philosophers, though. I'll admit, it's certainly a great career for a philosopher of today. But, if there was no New Atheism, that would put him at the same level as the rest. Once I read Dennet in his academic context (not in the context of new atheists), I thought he was no more a titan than Kripke, Nagel, Strawson, or Chalmers. For example, Chalmers came up with the Hard Problem of Consciousness (in the way it's currently stated). I'm not entirely sure but I think Galen Strawson came up with the peal view of the self, which is kinda original. +I actually stopped hating Dennet after being exposed to his academic work, as I hate the rest of the fedora tipping sophists like Hitchens, Harris, and Dawkins. He is an actual philosopher, but the pomp and circumstance is not deserved outside of that. +And, I got to say, heterophenomenology is weak. I honestly don't see any other route but eliminative materialist descriptions for that route, which themselves have deep epistemological problems. Just a very brute atheism and physicalist view. Anything else is just a fancy way to arrive there. It seems the great debates have not changed in substance since Hume and Kant. +--- 21950266 +>>21950219 +In my opinion, you're incapable of publishing philosophy if you're still in high school or are youthful, for didactic reasons. Maybe for other disciplines this is different, but it's very true with philosophy. +You're simply not suited to know the problems in your own thinking, due to lack of exposure and unwarranted arrogance for your own ideas. In this case, the Bible is right. Novices are prone to puff up with pride. There's a reason the vast majority of great philosophers bloom late. +--- 21950305 +>>21943904 (OP) + +>I have combined x with y +>I have submitted yet another "argument" for god +>here's an argument for idealism +grow the fuck up nigger. even if you are writing to a professional standard, this is bottom of the barrel-tier shit +--- 21950556 +>>21943904 (OP) +>>21947885 +>>21947907 +>>21947914 +>>21947986 +>>21947994 +>>21949520 +>>21949525 +OP, if you can hardly be arsed to edit your writing for a bunch of pseud faggots on 4chan, I don’t know how anybody else can take you seriously. +--- 21950668 +>>21943942 +this is why philosophy is stagnating. like I've said before, it must come from outside the institution nowadays. +--- 21951230 +>>21949931 +If you can show that the conclusion doesn't follow then you've shown there's no paradox moron. + +>>21949636 +samefag + +>>21949969 +yeah i was trying to exclude the woke social shit because those people are like, merely tolerated in the discipline since administrators love social shit. + +>>21950050 +"observe" as used in analytic philosophy is not a relation to a philosophical position but a relation to an observation, although it may be an observation about logical or linguistic facts. + +>>21950155 +you should probably go to school just to practice your reading comprehension. I never said thinking was scary or that thoughts didn't have value, you made that up and attributed it to me. + +>>21950668 +philosophy is reaching a new golden age lol -- so many ridiculously talented young philosophers just fucking shit up. the new paradigm is Kit Fine, not Saul Kripke, which is what it is. +--- 21951482 +>>21951230 +Thats what I literally said, are you fucking retarded? +--- 21951496 +>>21951482 +shut up and jerk off to your fantasies of being an intellectual. +--- 21951511 +>>21951230 +>philosophy is reaching a new golden age +How can anyone take this clown seriously? +--- 21951691 +>>21951511 +i don't care whether subliterate basement dwellers take me seriously. i'm doing a service to humanity by letting you know that things are rapidly picking up in philosophy and being rejuvenated by a new wave of young scholars doing serious careful work on age-old problems. if you don't know who tim williamson or kit fine or john hawthorne or steven yablo are, then of course you don't know what's going on these days. people on this board still think that like, all of contemporary philosophy is reading saul kripke or daniel dennett or david chalmers and jerking off. because they're totally clueless to the state of the field. + +people to keep your eye on are like, peter fritz, andrew bacon, matt mandelkern, dilip ninan, fabrizio cariani, malte willer, etc. + +shit is getting shook up all across the board +--- 21951774 +>>21951691 +>being rejuvenated by a new wave of young scholars +>tim williamson (67 years) or kit fine (77) or john hawthorne (58) or steven yablo (66) +--- 21951816 +>>21951691 +No one knows who these people are because are pseudo-intellectuals who can never provide something revolutionary or high in value. Something analogous to the grandeur of Nietzsche, Plato, Plotinus, Aristotle Ibn Arabi, Samkara and so forth... These people will never be great minds, You can only read one or two of the aforementioned philosophers and you would have more genuine knowledge about the world than someone who constantly reads the rubbish you mentioned. +Most of these people are sheer academics who pretend otherwise. The genuine philosopher, every great man of the intellect, is a solitary being, endeavouring a life of bewildering states of awarness and an everlasting existence within the sublime, beyond urban and industrial life. Unlike the lot of imbeciles you admire which only knows to utter empirical-theory nonsense in youtube interviews. +--- 21951838 +>>21951774 +>terrible reading comprehension +why am i not surprised. + +>>21951816 +lol at trying to quantify "genuine knowledge" and then guessing that philosophy you've never read doesn't have "enough of it". i think you're a little too literal minded for abstract thought. + +you think there's like, personality traits and lifestye decisions associated with having a sufficently high quantity of this "genuine knowledge". you're celebrity/reality-tv brained +--- 21951866 +>>21951838 +>you think personality traits and lifestye decisions are associated with having a sufficently high quantity of this "genuine knowledge". +Yes, read Nietzsche or attempt to grasp what philosophical intelligence is and where it springs from (not from an interaction with mass media). Just stop typing and hang yourself. +Also >>21951774 was right, his comprehension of that retarded thing you wrote was semantically adequate. +--- 21951872 +>>21951838 +I dont "guess" that these people do not have the required set of conditions for philosophical genius. I know that for a fact. I also do not read anyone who does not believe in God or have convenient metaphyiscal supossitions that I found adequate. My religion forbids it and it is inappropriate to do so. +--- 21951889 +>>21944079 +You sound like a Redditor. Also, contemporary philosophers obsess over the "ideas" of other philosophers that made it a craft to be as unintelligible and disruptive as possible. +--- 21951895 +>>21949851 +This. I'm OP and I'm trans btw. +--- 21951937 +>>21951895 +Fuck you +--- 21951979 +>>21951866 +>if you don't know who tim williamson or kit fine or john hawthorne or steven yablo are, then of course you don't know what's going on these days + +doesn't imply they're young. you just struggle to keep more than one idea in your head at a time. which is why you crave religion where all you need to know is one big lie and you're free to ignore everything that's too difficult to wrap your head around. pathetic. glad that systems are designed to keep people like you in perpetual failure. but keep whining about how you'd be fine if society weren't keeping you down lol +--- 21952006 +>>21951872 +>>21951866 +>prefer obsessing like fanboys over dudes you think are cool, then actually working diligently to gain philosophical understanding. +L +--- 21952086 +>>21950050 +>Wittgenstein himself regarded philosophy as an activity of experience +Good for him bro but this isn't covered in the text. There is no intellectual rigor to your work thus it is not publishable. Stop being lazy +--- 21952316 +>>21951816 +>youtube interviews +go outside brother + +why is it always the basement dwellers who talk about the glorious labor of the great man +--- 21952376 +>>21943904 (OP) +if you wrote anything worth reading you wouldn't need to put it in a journal +--- 21953689 +bump +--- 21953755 +>>21946430 +>All epistemology thinks knowledge is X +>Here are examples of X that are not knowledge +>Therefore knowledge is not X +Seems pretty straightforward to me, much more so than the vague pseudo philosophical frameworks that I see spewed out all over this japanese kimono sewing forum. diff --git a/lit/21944148.txt b/lit/21944148.txt index e65603e542da9a58c35536b6f044d28c485252a3..bf7549a6eae634188c575d8c2c6ab985ac938f10 100644 --- a/lit/21944148.txt +++ b/lit/21944148.txt @@ -129,3 +129,73 @@ I keep asking bears on dates but they keep saying no. --- 21949770 >>21944148 (OP) Geschlecht und Charakter +--- 21950059 +>>21949005 +Excelent post +--- 21950346 +>>21944802 +Jesus how sad. +Women unironically prefer dad bods now; absolutely despise the connotations of a job that earns 6 figures; and yeah, probably still like tall men desu. +You are a fool if you believe being a repugnant and fundamentally unlikable piece of shit but rich will get you a woman. +--- 21950364 +>>21950346 +Women don't know what Dad bods are. +--- 21950416 +>>21950364 +What the hell does that mean? At least try and make a point. +--- 21950491 +I fucking hate women so much bros, I wish I could stop thinking about my oneitis +--- 21950547 +>>21949005 +imagine never talking to a woman +--- 21950567 +>>21950491 +Based +--- 21950588 +>>21950491 +>oneitis +Fag +--- 21950651 +>>21950547 +Sounds peaceful +--- 21950748 +>>21950588 +FUCK +--- 21950772 +/thread +--- 21950812 +>>21950588 +Having a oneitis is the standard disposition for young men of the higher races. One must be snapped out of it by an older male role model or a dose of reality as to how women are +--- 21950843 +>>21950547 +Sounds like a good existence desu +--- 21952602 +>>21944148 (OP) +bump +--- 21952608 +>>21944148 (OP) +Any book on how to train dogs. Cesar Millan works. +--- 21952792 +>>21944148 (OP) +The average /lit/ poster has no understanding of female psychology. +--- 21952799 +>>21944148 (OP) +You're not supposed to understand women that's the entire point +--- 21952801 +>>21944148 (OP) +--- 21952828 +>>21946140 +>heartiste +>game +--- 21952829 +>>21944148 (OP) +The computer was invented closer to serious female emancipation than female emancipation was to the beginning of the societal current (the enlightenment/industrial revolution) that allowed the invention of the computer to occur. +Moreover, serious political feminism - the kind that produces 'real' political candidates - occurs closer to serious public consideration of the conscious status of machines/AI than it does to the serious emancipation of females/the right to vote. +--- 21953457 +>>21944148 (OP) +50 shades of grey +--- 21953499 +>>21952829 +feminism was invented by women who couldnt get laid and philosophy by men who wanted more than to get laid. +--- 21953536 +might be of use diff --git a/lit/21944681.txt b/lit/21944681.txt index b43e90895f5f14de1c3dac45a93c5a323e046e21..22a3937bcfc0e8d69de4496a925676a1fcd09e26 100644 --- a/lit/21944681.txt +++ b/lit/21944681.txt @@ -206,3 +206,125 @@ Any reason why you prefer a finer point? I always liked slightly thicker lines b the pilot --- 21949412 G2-07. The 05 is like nails on a chalkboard. Much too sharp of a point to drag across paper. +--- 21949979 +>>21949412 +looks like lanza +--- 21950047 +>>21944681 (OP) +it feels like your hand is surfing on paper waves +--- 21950049 +>>21944681 (OP) +Fisher Space pen is great I had two for years, but lost one. I like the Tratto felt pen made in Italie. I really like felt pens, I'm not sure which others exist. Bic 4 color is classic. +--- 21950061 +>>21949412 +>>21949979 +he looks like he's about to burst into tears. +--- 21951385 +>>21949397 +It feels more comfortable and allows for more control for me. Thicker pens are too bold for my handwriting. I've ventured into using the g2-07 Fine and have a few but don't use them as much as the extra fine. I started my fine kick with the TUL needlepoint pens but they have issues with clogging up or rusting for some reason. +--- 21951452 +>>21944681 (OP) +should I actually into fountain pens? My penmenship is pretty shit. +--- 21951536 +Pilot G-TEC C4 as a disposable. +--- 21951678 +>>21944883 +>this +--- 21951707 +>>21945056 +Black Bic Cristal always gets the job done! +Not a poo, but I love these pencils +--- 21951767 +>>21944681 (OP) +pilot 823 +even the wing sung knockoff +--- 21951796 +>>21944681 (OP) +--- 21951904 +>>21944681 (OP) +--- 21951981 +a writer will use something like this. +a delusional person who wants to be a writer will spend a couple hundred bucks more +--- 21951990 +>>21944681 (OP) +Pilot g2 07 +--- 21952011 +>>21951981 +the wealthiest writer of all time used this + +https://youtu.be/itWxXyCfW5s?t=118 [Embed] +--- 21952013 +>>21951981 +Gamers, video editors, streamers, and filmmakers are notorious for spending thousands on the hardware they use creatively. Why shouldn't a writer spend a notable amount on their practice's primary tool? +--- 21952018 +>>21944681 (OP) +I like heavy ball point pens, other than that I dont care. +--- 21952021 +>>21952013 +because the gear makes a difference in all those cases except writing +--- 21952113 +>>21944681 (OP) +pilot precise/hi-tecpoint v5 +sharpie pen + +don’t like gel since it smears +--- 21952129 +>>21948748 +This but in black. The 0.5mm point fucking slaps. +--- 21953167 +>>21945457 +Only middle class and nouveau riche idiots buy Mont Blanc pens. Have you even read Veblen bro? I am a genuine aristocrat and use cheap Uni-Ball Signo 207s despite having been gifted or inherited many fancy old pens. +--- 21953177 +>>21944681 (OP) +I was fortunate enough to find a Sailor Pro Gear Regular for ~$100 on /r/pen_swap, and it's been my #1 for a while. +--- 21953179 +>>21953167 +How old is your family and from what country you sneeger +--- 21953184 +>>21945399 +the .38 cap type are the superior muni pen +--- 21953189 +>>21953179 +I'm descended from aristocratic families from Scotland, Sweden, and Sicily. Borders don't really matter when it comes to our marriages lmao. +--- 21953191 +>>21944681 (OP) +i have the one at the top of the pic if that's a pilot. it's a good pen, but i don't really like how it looks +--- 21953194 +Who else is a member of the blue ink, 0.4 nib master race? +--- 21953197 +>>21953189 +Why did you let Europe be taken over by Jews? All your empires are now being flooded by foreigners, people spit on your flags. What happened? +--- 21953213 +>>21953197 +Yes, bad stuff happening all around. I do my part by donating to groups like the Nordic Resistance Movement, Patriotic Alternative, and CasaPound. +--- 21953215 +$20 from Amazon +--- 21953221 +$2 disposable. blue ink + +no one will steal it + +anyone who borrows it at work usually bends the nib and looks like a retard +--- 21953222 +best ink ever! +--- 21953223 +>>21953213 +What is the social context of your life? Is it still decided by birth or do you follow mass culture? +--- 21953228 +how pretentious do you gotta be to use a pencil without an eraser? +--- 21953236 +i use this for signatures only. + +don''t drop it or you'll need to put a refill in. +--- 21953255 +>>21953236 +Do yourself a favor and dont sign anything in black ink. If you are serious about using a ballpoint pen, then at least use blue ink and look like you know what you are doing. +--- 21953324 +>>21953223 +I'm quite isolated from everyone these days, as I was outcast from aristo society after my father killed himself. I grew up riding horses, doing show jumping, went to a boarding school that I was kicked out of for having sex with a girl, dropped out of college on my first attempt. Now I live most of the time in my family's pied a terre in NYC like a hermit, except I am married and have one child. I ended up marrying someone from my social class, which I was pressured to do, although in retrospect it was probably for the best. I had a working class American girlfriend for a couple of years who I loved madly but she had a huge inferiority complex that led to all sorts of issues. I don't need to work for a living, which is nice, but don't have much disposable income. One of my cousins owns a yacht building company, so I like to go out on his boats when the weather is nice. That's about it I guess. +--- 21953333 +I don't know specifically but what I do know is this +>Steel nibs are based +>Cap pens are underrated +>Twist pens are classy +>Click pens are shit diff --git a/lit/21944749.txt b/lit/21944749.txt index 2a616d139ef7891dca949a05c854880af098d27e..5fae09eed75e6494280042eef7ff23aa22f39974 100644 --- a/lit/21944749.txt +++ b/lit/21944749.txt @@ -126,3 +126,74 @@ That giant man worm looks like an uncut penis. --- 21949693 >>21949549 sus +--- 21950620 +>>21949369 +I honestly thought heretics and chapterhouse were better than children and god emperor. +--- 21950766 +>>21946568 +turning generic trash writing into unadulterated sci-fi kino. Love it +--- 21950855 +>>21949543 +And if you tell them to stop acting like that they will tell YOU to go back. These people never belonged online to begin with, no matter their politically charged flavor of 85 IQ herd mentality. Steve Jobs has brought a curse upon every pocket. +--- 21950860 +>>21944749 (OP) +It is too dionysian for you +--- 21950893 +>>21944749 (OP) +I read the first two books of Dune, and they were both the most boring, insipid and aimless pieces of literature I've ever had the displeasure of reading. The endings were bangers tho. +--- 21951022 +>>21945934 +>reading dune without reading dune messiah at least is like reading only the old testament i.e. extremely jewish behavior +Fuck yes! literally every individual or groups of people display(s) jewish characteristics. I bring this up in every Dune thread. + +Loved Dune. Tolerated Messiah. DNE Children about halfway. Can I punt it and go straight to God Emperor? +--- 21951038 +>>21947807 +No it's s shit +--- 21951228 +>>21951038 +No it’s not. You guys are too stupid to appreciate Dune Messiah. All of the commentary slides over your head while you’re waiting for the next action scene. You fucks do not deserve Dune. +--- 21951856 +>>21944749 (OP) +i ordered both of the new dune trilogy hardbacks. +im a slow reader so will probably take me over a month to read all the books. +--- 21951890 +>>21946568 +Yeah, that book is a fucking biography, clown nigger. We all know he borrowed muslim shit from it to build their culture. Jeez. Faggot much? +--- 21951940 +>>21950893 +Is this bait? You are fucking dumb. +--- 21951966 +>>21944749 (OP) +You will never be a real sandworm god-emperor and fremen will laugh at you behind your back. Its so over. +--- 21951994 +God Emperor of Dune is great as an absurdist comedy. I'm not convinced of its other literary merits. +--- 21952260 +>>21951856 +Those are kind of bad quality. I did the same and ended up returning them and getting the trade paperback collection on Amazon. I love it. About to finish heretics +--- 21952263 +>>21944919 +t. Brian +--- 21952273 +>>21944749 (OP) +It's bad. and the whole rebellion sideplot thing gets abandoned 35% through +--- 21952339 +>>21952273 +I am about to finish Heretics and I have to agree with you. Children of Dune God emperor were the weakest. I didn’t hate them but 1-2 are amazing and Heretics is right up there with those imo. The Bene Gesserits are my favorite part of the series. I enjoy the political intrigue in Dune and this one delivered. Dune+ Messiah was pure kino though too. +--- 21952794 +>>21952339 +When I first finished Children I hated it. Going back on a re-read years later and looking at it through the drifting fremen lens I enjoyed it much more. Fuck those tigers though. +--- 21952957 +Does anyone have the soijak pointing back variant with the Dune worm? +--- 21953585 +>>21952260 +ah shit, if they are as bad as you say ill warn others lol. +--- 21953771 +>>21944749 (OP) +It's great. Just stop after this one. Heretics and Chapterhouse are absolute garbage. This is where Frank Herbert peaked. I liked how it's surprisingly very comedic at times. +--- 21953775 +>>21951038 +The ending is pretty badass. Sure it's a bit slow but the pay off if good. +--- 21953778 +>>21951022 +3rd book is a lot of fun towards the end. diff --git a/lit/21945302.txt b/lit/21945302.txt index 08bb83e94916f5fbf384eb0bae63be75e443b540..22b3444c31c0180ec3c8a457ec7323f3baa3b66b 100644 --- a/lit/21945302.txt +++ b/lit/21945302.txt @@ -89,3 +89,81 @@ wars are worth writing down --- 21949808 >>21947268 She was lying to make him feel bad. +--- 21949930 +I saw Scott Fitzgerald ruin himself + +He took movies seriously +--- 21951037 +>>21949808 +According to the one time Hemingway apparently demanded to see, she really was just making him feel bad about being average. Many such cases. + +>>21949795 +Pussy absolutely will break someone as sensitive as he was. +--- 21951191 +>>21951037 +Yeah F. Scott was an average submissive MN male. As an Arizonan living in MN, men here ain't shit. They're all Scando femobys. +--- 21951208 +>>21951191 + +I thank god that I live here and not in Arizona. I hate hot weather. +--- 21951216 +>>21951208 +Then prepare to get breeded by my cowboy cock +--- 21951225 +>>21951216 + +You are a tedious, dull homosexual. +--- 21951255 +>>21951225 +It's not gay if you're on top. Cowboy rules. +--- 21951353 +>>21951216 +You are a warthog from hell. +--- 21951390 +>>21951353 +Nice. +--- 21951439 +>>21951191 +Submission is fun and all, but not when you have a devil witch of a wife who's going to publicly embarrass you the way Zelda did. It should only be a consensual thing away from public eyes, and even then only for fun, not all the time. +--- 21951497 +>>21951439 +Definitely. I'm just saying he let it happen and was a total faggot for that. Alcoholism didn't help either. +--- 21952250 +>>21951497 +Some of us just aren't made for this world. +--- 21952420 +>>21952250 +Clearly. The fact that Fitzgerald was gigantic after his death and universally considered mid during his life speaks volumes the way a lot of artists/writers do. +--- 21952606 +>>21952420 +It's a pretty common thing for a writer to be unsuccessful whole alive and become popular only post mortem. This goes for a lot of art in general. That said, his prose is nice. But I wouldn't rank him in the top 10 American writers. +--- 21952635 +I recently read Cioran's review which praised him only for his Crack-Up, an interesting piece. For Cioran, the basic idea was that Fitzgerald was unable to handle suffering, and this is what gives his Crack-Up such value, against his earlier work. Strange that Cioran deigned to note an American celebrity author, but I guess Fitzgerald spent time in France, so he would have become an object for Cioran. + +Personally, despite living in the area, I don't care. I hated the mandatory high school Great Gatsby reading just that much, whatever its merits. The whole exercise felt stupid. +--- 21952705 +>>21952606 +Definitely. I love Tender and Gatsby but the rest of his stuff is pretty hit or miss. +--- 21953369 +>>21952705 +>but the rest of his stuff is pretty hit or miss +--- 21953594 +>>21952635 +That's a kino article by Cioran. + +>Strange that Cioran deigned to note an American celebrity author +Cioran was interested in due to Fitzgerald's obsession with money and success, the opposite of Cioran. Usually "artists" are not too keen on these things. He compared Rilke's poverty fetish with Fitzgerald and found latter the idol of his youth disgusting and dubious. + +I love these closing lines of that essay, prefect example of pessimist pride: +>We, on the contrary, deplore that he did not remain sufficiently loyal to that failure, that he did not sufficiently explore or exploit it. It is a second-order mind that cannot chose between literature and the “real dark night of the soul.” +--- 21953601 +>>21953594 +>latter +*former + +Also more strange is that TS Eliot read Great Gatsby two times. +--- 21953602 +>>21945302 (OP) +literally who +--- 21953675 +>>21949795 diff --git a/lit/21947038.txt b/lit/21947038.txt index 75ea600f1258f539a7f33513167f231dda98995d..518dc9c7bfaefb57246e531d9abae87b24410514 100644 --- a/lit/21947038.txt +++ b/lit/21947038.txt @@ -39,3 +39,49 @@ If the ring fucks you when you wear it on a chain and rapes you when you wear it Wasn't Gandalf gone for like 20 years or something? That's more than an inconvenience. He wasn't even sure if it was the one ring. --- 21948533 >Why don't you just eat the silmaril lmao? +--- 21949956 +>>21947038 (OP) +Or he could have just thrown himself into the volcano once he got there, ring in belly. >>21947053 +so swallow it countless times, I don't see the problem. +--- 21949967 +>>21947038 (OP) +This is headcannon of course but, I think wearing the most evil thing is better than consuming the same ring over and over again. I bet eating the ring fucks you up even more, does way more wicked shit than just messing with the intestines +--- 21949994 +>>21948392 +But what does it do when you put it on your cock? Does it make your cock disappear? +--- 21951030 +>>21948533 +This image and the text made me kek so much. +--- 21951034 +>>21949994 +Frodo the bussy bearer. It could and very much WILL adapt to the girth of ones cock. But should you cum, sauron would use that seed. +--- 21951048 +>>21948517 +Only 9 years +--- 21952552 +>>21951048 +17 years +--- 21952562 +>>21952552 +9 years from Gandalf’s last departure to his return sending Frodo on the quest. The text explicitly states that Gandalf would be gone for three years at a time, returning only briefly for a night. Gandalf’s last departure was 9 years. Read chapter 2 again +--- 21952751 +>>21947044 +kek +--- 21952824 +>>21947038 (OP) +Why didn't Gimli just ask for one of Galadriel's butthole hairs? +--- 21953449 +>hed be damned if any orcs were gonna put their slimy green hands on his boys birthright +--- 21953517 +>>21947038 (OP) +Gollum's grimy figures digging deep into Frodo's faggot hole. +"Give it to us." +"NOO!" +"Sticky bum gives us fun. Squirm like the slimy worm that feedsees the birds. Gives us precious." +"My ass hole ughhhh." +"I'll show you a sting sharper than that filthy elven knife." +"Mr. Frodo!!" +"Sam!!" +Sam finds Gollum elbow deep and filthy. +"Sodomizer!" +Gollum couldn't unplunge his fast enough to defend his head from a frying pan in the jaw, his teeth dislocated as his rotten gums crumbled under the steel's weight. Sam was unrelenting in his execution of the gangly midget, misshaping Gollum's face further than the creators botched stab. diff --git a/lit/21947130.txt b/lit/21947130.txt index fc5915d8e8b84a02211661417c6d480d7952ee70..ca26332d7a4b00d319eaf9b51a909301930d43f0 100644 --- a/lit/21947130.txt +++ b/lit/21947130.txt @@ -542,3 +542,893 @@ My biggest problem with Fantasy is that stories are rarely truly coherent enough I read a ton of LitRPG like Primal Hunter and He Who Fights Monsters and holy fuck you just get burned out eventually. The quality takes such a fucking nosedive. So much exposition but somehow loosely explained shit. Usually it's basically the fucking meme "It's magic, I don't gotta explain shit." Give me a fucking break. +--- 21949978 +>>21949792 +link it here, i'm a frequent RR reader and i'll give you as honest and frank assessment that you are ever going to get. I will be brutal but i wont leave it in review form on the site or low star you in the case its not my favorite genre +--- 21950006 +>>21949978 +I would link but to be honest with you I'm looking to compare and contrast opposing or similar reviews. If I just get the one from you with a bunch of good points I'll probably not even take them seriously until I have someone else to agree or disagree with what you said. +I need multiple people to chime in or I can't accept anything anyone says to me good or bad. +--- 21950023 +>>21950006 +>complains about no feedback +>doesn't share work for feedback +Anon i... +--- 21950030 +>>21950023 +Okay fine. Tear me a new asshole. + +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67519/corvid +--- 21950044 +Royal road is predominantly a fantasy/isekai platform isn't it? I've been browsing at all of the stuff on there and you can't go a page without half of them being either or both. +--- 21950045 +>>21949906 +I completely agree those two are shit and just recycle and rehash shit consistently, But at least they go somewhere. Newer authors do the whole autistic magic system explanation thing but in doing so take the even slowerburn progression route like https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57018/the-systemic-lands-dark-progressive-litrpg or https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/56176/firebrand. They stagnate worse then their forebears while stringing readers along with a high output schedule of elementary level english dialogue so the esl's can follow it. I get your complaint is about 'no magic system lol' but i would prefer to have a real story and less then a hundred chapters stuck in the tutorial or apprentice training level progression rather then a fleshed out magic system. +--- 21950048 +>>21950044 + +Yeah, it's great. + +>>21950045 +>Newer authors do the whole autistic magic system explanation thing but in doing so take the even slowerburn progression route + +Help im being personally attacked +--- 21950079 +Have any of you read Neural Wraith by K.D Robertson? I didn't really like his fantasy shit but the sci-fi books are kick ass. +He's taking a break to apparently come back with a better writing format, but I figured I'd ask you anons if you've read any of his stuff about what you think. +I enjoyed it, but I know it's not perfect. +--- 21950117 +>>21950030 +>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/67519/corvid +>Your synopsis is fine till you get to the bit about asking for critique. +That last paragraph comes off like a needy dating profile. +>Prologue +"the other lost to her many yards behind at a creek." - could just be me but that reads off. +"she’s resolved making it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot is better than not at all." - I know what your saying but your prose is fucking my simp brain. +"She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what." - The usage of past tense lessens the intensity of the scene. +"but she doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. She knows it’s not what it sounds like. She hasn’t been able to trust any sound in the forest for some time now." - Three 'she's' in as many sentences. +"Making her way west evermore she’s been panting in her panic" - is she one of fucking Poe's sedately moving ravens? +"After looking back one more time" - remove after. +"Ashley finds herself hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it." - SO MANY 'SHE'S' ! +"The creature’s call was guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression." - 'The guttural call of the creature was aggressive, unrelenting.' gives more urgency. +"She doesn’t have time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her, talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing she feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies." - Did she died from a thousand pronouns? + +All in all your tenses are weird and give the impression of a bored observer. You also need more violent adjectives to show how much danger she feels shes in. + +Might check out a few more chaps later. Horrors not really my thing, but since you are a polite anon i'll give it a shot. +--- 21950134 +>>21950079 +He recently seems to be more interested in his world building and politics than writing smut (which has gotten tamer with every book). +--- 21950207 +>>21950134 +Thank fuck for that. +I'd rather take world building than the smut. +--- 21950213 +>>21950117 +Kill yourself. +--- 21950217 +>>21950117 +Thanks you gave me some really good points. +Definitely need to try and find better ways to word things. + +Way too many "She's" for sure. +--- 21950222 +>>21950134 +>He's toning down his smut with every book + +I'm so proud of my boy K.D. +He's growing up and giving us better books as a result. +--- 21950225 +Good containment, thread, boys. Keep up the good work. Leave the real writing to us trad pubbed chads. +--- 21950259 +>>21950117 +I should also point out I start my prologue with 3rd person narrative but the vast majority of the story is in 1st person following the protag. +--- 21950275 +>>21950207 +> I'd rather take world building +And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but if a series starts out as your standard gotta-fuck-em-all harem pulp fiction but after a few books turns into 95% inter-beastkin political bullshit that is kind of lying to your audience. If he wants to write the latter that's fine but make it a different series. +--- 21950317 +Sometimes, I can't tell whether anons in here are incapable of enjoying a story, or if the available authors are simply that terrible. +--- 21950410 +So why is "self-induglent" a criticism? Is a writer meant to deny their own pleasures? For what purpose? +--- 21950429 +>>21950410 +an author's relationship with their work should never come through in their writing +--- 21950442 +>>21950429 +Why? +--- 21950448 +Any tips on writing a short story? +--- 21950457 +>>21950442 +it's spiritually ugly to write something to make yourself seem cool or depressed or intelligent and everyone has an intuition for it +--- 21950482 +>>21950457 +Camus, Mishima, Celine? +--- 21950483 +>>21950457 +Et alors? +--- 21950493 +>>21950448 +Take everything that makes a good story; characters, themes, plot etc; then try to condense it to a few pages. Short stories force you to weed out the parts least important to the overall story you want to tell, and polish the ones you include to such a degree that the story still captivates people in spite of its briefness. +Writing shot stories is an exercise in reducing what you want to tell to its very core and finely chiseling that little piece of marble. +--- 21950849 +>>21949897 +>King +Cocaine addled woke hack +he hasn't written anything good since he quit the coke, and even back then he was just shitting out so much material that some of it was bound to be tolerable by sheer chance +--- 21950898 +>>21950030 +You should put a cover on your story, doesn't matter if it is AI (but if you do that and intend to make money make sure to use one that gives you the rights to your generated content) or just something you made yourself, having a cover at all is just a good idea. +--- 21951024 +>>21950048 +>Help im being personally attacked +You can be autistic in your sandpit anon, just don't expect me to get in there with you because i can't stand the stench of metaphorical cat piss. Besides, Skyrim mods were built for almost this exact reason. +>>21950213 +Wut. +>>21950217 +>>21950259 +Busy with stuff later chap rundown coming soon™. +--- 21951043 +>>21950259 +>I should also point out I start my prologue with 3rd person narrative but the vast majority of the story is in 1st person following the protag. +I would say you shouldn't do this. Maybe that means not including a prologue at all, even though I do think prologues can be useful, but shifting 1st to 3rd or 3rd to 1st without a very good in story textual reason is something that should be avoided if you want to keep the reader grounded within your story. +--- 21951056 +Anyone trying to get published traditionally and editing to reduce your word count to that ideal 100,000 for a debut? Shit is just soul sucking. I'm looking at lists of filter words you see in every published author's work, trying to cut a word here and there, seeing where I can condense/combine/delete scenes while retaining a coherent plot, and I feel like the work is coming out worse for it. I'm still 13K over after cutting about 2K. 110K seems feasible. 100K doesn't. All this so an agent doesn't have their fucking email filter auto-reject me without even glancing at my query. + +I used to have fun writing, bros. Lately, it's just another source of stress. Self-publishing is looking better by the day. +--- 21951089 +>>21951056 +The book I'm writing now is ~450k words and I'm 2/3 of the way done. Mind, this is the first novel out of a planned 10. I refuse to shorten my shit, split it or whatever. + +I've embraced the fact that no big publisher will ever read my shit, so I'll stick to more literary/avant garde ones until I get a foot in the door +--- 21951092 +>>21951056 +Have you considered just writing another novel and aiming for 100k from the start? You can always publish this one without the agonizing editing later. +--- 21951111 +>>21951056 +>agonizing over a mere 13k words +what are you doing? you're not 50k over, you're only 13k. an agent will auto reject you for a thousand other reasons, but not that. +--- 21951114 +If you’re not within the top 33% most viewed stories on RR within a week you should KYS. +Or write an isekai. +--- 21951126 +>>21951114 +>the top 33% most viewed stories on RR within a week +where can you even see that metric? +--- 21951128 +>>21951114 +>Or write an isekai. +I'd rather just kill myself. +--- 21951147 +>>21951114 +>Conform to the algorithm. +>Produce nothing of worth to your soul. +>Accept Bezos as your god +>Become part of 'society' +The solar flare that will scour us from existence can't come soon enough +--- 21951157 +>publishing chapters weekly +>entire thing is already done and complete +>know i get the most views if i stay on the recently updated list as long as possible +>trying to have patience +>also just want to dump the entire thing +ff +--- 21951206 +>>21951157 +What’s your/what have you heard is a good strategy between books? IE the off-season? How to keep interest and build excitement for the sequel. +--- 21951260 +>>21951206 +Fuck em. I'm not a content mill, this isn't a sweatshop, and it's not my dayjob. +--- 21951282 +>>21950275 +Neural Wraith 1 at most had 1 sex scene between the protag and one of the robot ladies. +Each book has pretty much the same but with a different one each time. +The cat fights are kinda funny between them fighting over him but it hasn't really gone addressed. +That's the problem with Harem. +Sure maybe only men can have functioning harems but when women have it it becomes really fucking weird. +That's why I'd rather a pull away from it because it's such a double-standard and I'd rather the protag just have one GOOD relationship and not have to split his time between others. +His other works basically had the protag just fucking anyone he wanted. No real emotional attachment just straight smut. +--- 21951448 +someone post your royalroads I want to see what the people in this general write +--- 21951469 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/51796/a-hero-among-monsters +--- 21951474 +>>21951128 +Yes! That’s how the isekai starts! +--- 21951492 +>>21949585 +I don't understand. How are you saying this. Are you rewriting it all? +--- 21951513 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/49395/the-undying-emperor-grand-conquest-fantasy +--- 21951514 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/42627 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/65583/ +--- 21951517 +>>21951147 +There really does need to be two /wg/ threads. One for sharing work and thinking about craft (whether your work's literary, pulpy, whatever) and one for sharing stats and strategising over the self-pub hustle. +--- 21951528 +>>21951517 +And both of them actively discourage people. Because you’re assholes who don’t write and want to stop others. +--- 21951539 +>try to write within a wordcount limit +>feels like getting blood from a stone +--- 21951544 +>>21949654 +>Children having graphic sex +That's all it takes to get banned. My stories are cute and funny with female characters described as elementary schoolers having sex with adult men, portrayed in a loving and consensual manner. +--- 21951548 +>>21951492 +I had 75 chapters uploaded, then I stopped writing for 3 months. When I started again I decided that I just didn't like all of what I had written, and if I was going to do a large edit like this, I should do that before I continued my story. Right now I am writing new chapters. +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/56518/the-child-from-the-woods +>>21951474 +kek. +>>21951544 +Kill yourself. +--- 21951549 +>>21951544 +>That's all it takes to get banned +not being a pedophile is not a hard ask anon +--- 21951558 +>>21951548 +>>21951549 +sneed +--- 21951561 +>>21951548 +Does that mean your rewriting it all when you edit? +--- 21951577 +>>21951544 +You almost had me until the +>cute and funny + +>>21951549 +>he doesn't know +--- 21951586 +>>21951561 +Not all of it. But I did do rewrites of sections of the story. I haven't gone back to do edits again since I started writing new chapters since if I just kept trying to change it whenever a new idea came to mind I would leave readers confused, which is why I did that large reediting of my story in the first place. I had written things without thinking them through to their logical conclusion at the very start and they would become a problem far down the line. +--- 21951599 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21414/animecon-harem +--- 21951602 +>>21951577 +But no, seriously, I do like having characters that are on the younger and flatter side as love interests and this is the easiest way to get instantaneously deleted from RR and Patreon because they hate loli. Obviously my prospects of tradpublishing are doomed as well. +--- 21951609 +>>21951599 +hi forty +how are trailer trash sales? + +>>21951602 +You can totally get away with having a flat teenager get with your mc so long as your mc is also in that age range, but emphasis on teenager. Take care to mention that she's underdeveloped for her age, etc. +Mushoku Tensei got away with it +--- 21951624 +>>21951609 +That seems like a headache and calling her a teenager implies tanner stages that calling her a child does not. +--- 21951630 +>>21951609 +They're ok. Didn't go KU so sales were never going to be spectacular or anything. I still focus on Patreon to make a living. +--- 21951640 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased + +Editing is really where the story takes shape. My first editing pass when I was initially posting this I added roughly 10 chapters to the middle, in various places. My second major editing pass I eliminated/consolidated 2 chapters near the start and I've reached almost chapter 30, but there's still a ways to go. Been a lazy fuck since finishing the draft for various rl reasons. +--- 21951673 +>>21951640 +>since finishing the draft +Ehh, you finished the draft before writing this? I haven't even finished my outlining yet. +--- 21951711 +>>21951673 +I wrote 200k before I started posting. My posting schedule caught up to my drafting at roughly chapter 95ish. The last 4 chapters I fell off the wagon and put one out roughly every 2-3 weeks instead of once a week, largely because I scrapped the first draft of All Hallow's Eve pt 1 after writing like 2k words, and getting the ending coherent and correct required more editing at the time. + +My outline is roughly 3k words all told, including charts, I definitely deviated as far as detials +--- 21951718 +>>21951711 +>including charts +Wait, what? What have you organized? Could I get a glimpse behind the curtain? I have a single document of an outline around 2k words but it's only the start and end point. +--- 21951745 +>>21951544 +if it were up to me you'd be killed, not banned +--- 21951751 +>>21951089 +Pretty based desu. Writing's definitely more fun when you're not beholden to someone else. So are you going the self-publishing/royal road route with those long books? + +>>21951092 +I know that's the sensible thing to do, but I've gotten kind of obsessed with the idea and world I'm working on, so I started writing the sequel instead. Was enjoying myself and got about 2/3 of the way through before realizing I'm setting myself up for more disappointment if I don't get the 1st published. + +>>21951111 +That's the way it should be and was pre-covid, but apparently between how many people started querying during lockdown and paper shortages, agents have been cracking down lately. Some of them have a filter that will auto reject a debut author over 100,000 words. The stress of it all has me leaning toward just ignoring it and querying at 110K, hoping for the best. +--- 21951753 +>>21951745 +Your ancestors thought otherwise. +--- 21951769 +>>21951718 +A large one is in this +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased/chapter/633314/reference-runemage-training-and-spell-list +I also have stat growth rates, experience breakpoints, training point calculations, a calendar with a very brief description of the large event that happens on each date, spell lists from a couple other classes (not completely fleshed out, ofc) +and looking at it, it's roughly 3k words, a bunch more boxes filled with numbers +--- 21951780 +>>21951751 +Anon, there's nothing wrong with stockpiling a half dozen finished manuscripts for when you inevitably self-pub. Release them one after another and you can get quite a bit of algorithmic support. +--- 21951793 +>>21951769 +I was talking about the outlining, not the worldbuilding. +--- 21951799 +>>21951599 +That's insane 4k per month. Extra 50k a year. But your work ethic is insane. Every 2-3 days you have another 3-4k words. And can do it with minimal edits +--- 21951854 +>>21951769 +oh the outlining? well the calendar actually played a very large role in that because everything was timed due to the way experience was earned, every hour that passed was like 180ish xp. My total outline notes for the last 4 chapters were +>Halloween. Goes to graveyard. Uses Reshape on undead, puts them in bag of holding. Releases them in a couple points to start ghoul invasion. Also using Rudolf's look the other way magic. Halloween party at Shaker's. +>So they end up *something* Mac. Rudolf, who is Rudolf Urasu. And then they also *something* Wolfe, who thought she was helping them, for *spoiler*. Maybe also Magpie but iffy on that. +So a bunch of those notes didn't exactly occur like what did happen. There was no party at Shakers, that happened in an earlier chapter. The gy stuff was totally glossed over and occurred offscreen. The reader found out who Rudolf was like 20 chapters earlier. My outline is very, very basic. A very general framework that more lets me know where people are geographically than anything. +--- 21951879 +>>21951854 +pretty much how i outline too +just basic bulletpoints for who goes where and what has to happen +--- 21951920 +>>21951854 +>My total outline notes for the last 4 chapters +What about the first 4 chapters? Can I get a screenshot? +>>21951879 +My outlining process is much closer to a summary than that. +--- 21951944 +Out of curiosity, what is the ratio of people staying with the story from chapter 1 to later chapters? I'm guessing a vast majority only read chapter 1 and drop it. +--- 21951955 +>>21951944 +Reader retention from chapter 1 to chapter 2 is near universally 50% +it's weird how consistent that is +--- 21951974 +>>21951920 +I had no outline for the first what turned out to be 9 chapters, 7 chapters now. I had a very basic premise that I started with: the npc guilds were shut down by the Houses and Macathy is upset by this and wants to get some revenge. I knew the revenge was going to fail and that they were going to stick him in the girl's body, and I knew the girl's true identity was actually *spoiler* Here are my notes for the first 100k words. +>0th day, opens wearing rags, totally freaks the fuck out, gets stopped +>1st day, wakes up tied to a chair, 2 npcs talking to her, tells them she's fine, they glance at each other because she's clearly lying. Hair braiding scene. Extremely hungry, eats porridge, thinks its the best ever. Going around visiting places, finding out about the debt, putting the pieces together that she's from the Bonneville +>2nd day, start looking for someone to train, goes to House Mink, which is in the former Wizard's Tower, directed to the Library, meets up with someone pushing a cart shelving books, going into the sewers, grinding out rats, getting told to go to the bathhouse ofr the Council, misinterprets it as the person saying she stinks, thinks there are pluses and minuses +>3rd day, go back to the trainer, get some more practice, head back to the sewers, start rat armageddon, gets a solid amount of money, go to the Rat's Nest, meet up with Rath, drinks, gambles, bathroom scene, robs the guy, ends alone in the hotel room +>4th day, finds out that supposedly Macarthy brutally murdered 6 people the night before, thinks it could be a frame job using something like Melgorehn's Mask. In reality character went demonic, stolen by the compy. +>5th day +>6th day, meets up with Macarthy at some point, gets killed basically instantly, watches as corpse is desecrated and partially eaten, resurrected being held by Priestess Vivian in the temple. Cries. + +So then when I was actually writing I created two characters to bounce off Macarthy, Riley and Wolfe. I never planned for them to be anything more than bit characters that would be discarded a few chapters later, but then they took on a life of their own. +--- 21951978 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57441/the-elevation-chronicles-grimdarklit-rpgfeels +--- 21952004 +>>21950457 +sovless +--- 21952025 +>>21951955 +It's not too weird. A lot of people can narrow down what they want to read by two different things and then end up choosing one over the other. But sometimes you just have to accept people will drop the book, it is part of readers searching for what they want. Agents and publishers drop writers for similar reasons but seem more strict because they start with so many things to consider. +--- 21952040 +>>21952025 +I find it weird because it's so consistently 50% regardless of whether the story is utter dogshit or not +--- 21952073 +Any of you concerned about AI writing? I know its still really shit but i'm worried how much it could improve... + +Will people really be able to detect AI writing in the future? +--- 21952076 +for mine chapter 1 to 2 is a bit higher than 50%, but only bit. overall I found that the chapters with sex scenes received less views than the others surrounding them - and I don't warn people that sex scenes are coming. my old chapter 8 Infiltration, which is where the sex scene was, only has 1200 views. I only removed it a few months ago when consolidating chapters 3-5 into chapters 3 and 4 and then chapters 7 and 8 into what is now chapter 6. chapter 9 of this is where the genderbend occurs so the dropoff after is sort of expected. +--- 21952088 +>>21952040 +Mine's 11k to 8k tho + +>>21952076 +my sex scenes have big view spikes, lol. they come back and reread them, i guess +--- 21952103 +>>21952073 +I'm not concerned about it. Based on what I know about tech advancement and the way AI is currently used at my job I see two things as far as writing is concerned: +It will make technical writing more easy. +It will generate more niche, lowbrow content. + +I do not expect it to even approach the sophistication of literature at the highest or even middling levels. The reason for that is because the human mind, when you really look into research the describes how it works, is still so extremely sophisticated despite how poorly we estimate the intelligence of others. For AI to write literature we have to have no only AI that has reached that sophistication after multiple other spheres of research are near perfection, but you also need an audience that can overcome the biases of appreciating what an AI has to say at all. It's possible that by the time both of those are true, humans will have already augmented AI memory and speed into their own minds. Not that I necessarily believe that will come to pass, but just putting it out there. Art and the appreciation of it goes much farther than copying things, it is an entire feedback loop full of our lives, histories and emotions filtered through several parallel thought processes. +--- 21952104 +>>21951955 +Mine is under 50%. I'm sad. +--- 21952106 +>>21947130 (OP) +I am my ideals come to fruition +--- 21952110 +>>21952103 +thank you, that puts me at ease. +--- 21952141 +>>21952110 +If it makes you feel any better, me and others that have worked with it (physical sciences research) compare it to the hype that 3D Printing got in the 2010s. It is still a useful technology but not universally life changing. For example, people are still researching more viable polymers to 3D print houses on a bigger scale than they can right now. A couple companies offer some very bare bones almost /k/-tier innawoods printed houses. Obviously, people are still mostly buying the same houses as before. Same goes for many other applications, people are researching how to print with composites and many other "inks". + +3D Printing did get a lot of advancement initially, but the revolution was very oversold to get more investors and companies to jump in. Unfortunately some of the companies were using companies to just farm blue prints from other companies and claim co-ownership of patents. It's possible that AI companies might attempt the same thing, but even if they don't they are going to become limited by the tech paradigm for decades. One little caveat about Moore's Law (if it's even true) is that the trajectory is more of a wave a long the exponential curve. +--- 21952176 +>>21947130 (OP) +How do I keep my readers loyal to a slow-burn romance? Do I have to explicitly state something towards the beginning that gives clues to what will happen? +--- 21952184 +>>21951974 +>Here are my notes for the first 100k words. +Wait, the first 100k? So each line corresponds to about 14,285 words? Do I have this right? +--- 21952188 +>>21952176 +First write something short with an immediate payoff, so readers know you'll deliver in the end. +--- 21952192 +how do I make a story thats not an epic quest or murder mystery? It feels like without one of those elements theres no endpoint to lead up to, no anchor point to build a plot off of. +--- 21952197 +>>21952192 +Take the modern literature route and just don't write a proper ending +--- 21952206 +>>21952197 +how? How do I write a story if I dont have an ending to build towards? +--- 21952214 +>>21952073 +My estimation is that it'll be great at churning out pulp fiction and fixing grammar, but struggle to do anything more thoughtful than that. AI can do images and drawings decently because there are patterns to replicate. It struggles with things like fingers because the AI doesn't actually know how many fingers people have or what a finger even is, it just recognizes when there's a bunch of finger looking shapes and colors and tries to replicate that. I imagine AI writers would encounter similar issues, where they don't actually understand what the text means, they just know that when X thing happens, usually Y thing happens too. So it'd be good at recognizing and making story structures, but much worse at actually creating themes and creating catharsis. +--- 21952265 +>>21952184 +yes.roughly. +day 0 and day 1 were chapters 9, 10, 11 +day 2 was chapters 12, 13, 14, 15 +day 3 the first part never happened and the second part was chapters 18, 19 +day 4 occurred during chapter 26 +day 5 was blank I had no clue when outlining what was going to happen +day 6 occurred during chapter 29 +chapters 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28 all involve and occurred due to the creation of those 2 characters during chapter 13 that I never anticipated would exist +--- 21952269 +>>21952265 +Okay, I think I see the difference in our process. I outline every chapter individually, you chop scenes up into chapters. Do you think your method has advantages over my own? +--- 21952272 +>>21952269 +Not that Anon, but I do publish on RR: +The latter method works best for shorter, frequent chapters, which is a common practice to make the most of RR's "recently updated" mechanic, which throws you to the frontpage for a short time after a new chapter is posted. You can also post at awkward times (as in 12:02 instead of 12:00) to prolong your stay. +--- 21952280 +>>21952269 +my method works for me. I dunno how it would work for you. and it's more that I have a handful of critical events I know will occur, and I sort of meander my story in order to hit those plot beats. if something strikes my fancy while writing dialogue or whatever I'll just run with it and see where it goes. +--- 21952284 +>>21952280 +I like to describe this as setting signposts for the strory to grow around like a vine +--- 21952312 +>>21952272 +I'm having trouble understanding the actual process. Do you write a synopsis of the plot, then write it out and attach chapter headers every so often? +>>21952280 +>if something strikes my fancy while writing dialogue or whatever I'll just run with it and see where it goes. +That sounds like hitting "continue" in character AI without adding a prompt. +--- 21952320 +>>21951769 +Ewww. Do I have to write all of this before I start a fantasy story? +--- 21952328 +>>21950117 +Prologue + +Ashley is running desperately on one boot through the cold forest night. The other boot lost to her many yards behind at a creek. The woman’s appearance disheveled and her light brown hair a mess from constantly tumbling down in fleeing. Coat dirty and pants ripped at the calves. She has resolved to make it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot than to perish. +When she decided to go out into the woods of Washington state to camp out she didn’t think this is how it would end. +She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what. It’s always one step ahead hiding itself every time she turns back to look for it. The shadows between the trees changing shape in the blink of an eye. +Awoooooo!!! +Ashley hears the howl behind, but doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. Knowing it’s not what it sounds like, she’s been hearing all sorts of animal calls, but has yet to see anything resembling them. +Tenacious in the hunt, it uses the trees above to keep up with her while masking itself. Ashley hopelessly tries to make out it’s position in vain, realizing she’s got no other choice but to keep going. +Keep running... Just... Keep running!!! +Staying course towards the west in hopes of reaching people, she’s losing speed and growing tired. Knowing she’ll soon run out of energy, the idea of finding a place to hide comes to her, but she’s seen nothing save for thick trees and steep slopes. +Looking back one more time, she turns to see what’s in front of her and her heart pangs in relief. +A road! +Ashley feels hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it. +Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!! +Ashley’s blood runs cold as she feels a primal fear for what it means. The creature’s call guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression. +Almost as if she’s done something against the rules. +Running down the road she glances behind for a moment. It’s made it to the road and left the cover of the trees in less than a second. It’s dexterity unbelievable as it’s head snaps towards her, locking a pair of eyes on hers. +Ashley whimpers at the sight. +The creature is dark and taller than any man she’s ever seen. It’s eyes beady and pitch black, only gleaming more in the dead of night. +Out of time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her, talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing Ashley feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies. + +Would you say this is an improvement? +--- 21952332 +>>21952312 +I just write the story as it comes and chop it up into chapters later. + +>>21952320 +you can just write "Progression Fantasy" (literally just normal fantasy but buzzword) +or "cultivation" (chinese martial arts but you lean into bullshit mystical power growth and meditation shit) +--- 21952334 +>>21952332 +>"Progression Fantasy" (literally just normal fantasy but buzzword) +I don't recall normal fantasy having much, if any, progression in it. +--- 21952337 +>>21952312 +NTA but the way I do it is kinda similar. +Stories come to me in different ways, sometimes as questions or feelings I have to develop, but often culminate into multiple scenes that hit me really hard. And I try to write leading up to those scenes to build the characters and themes to prepare the reader for them and hopefully leave an impression as big as they have on me. I don't meander exactly, but there are times where characters are refusing to address their problem while thematically it is confronting them in every scene in a new way. +--- 21952340 +>>21952328 +>Out of time to take in more of it’s features as it comes dashing towards her. Talons marking the road and it’s head lunging at her chest as the last thing Ashley feels are tears rolling down her face before she dies. + +Forgot to replace the period. +--- 21952347 +>>21952334 +>fantasy setting +>mc becomes proficient or improves in magic/fencing/etc +>mc gains allies/boons +>mc grows in basically any tangible way +congrats you write prog fantasy +--- 21952352 +Can someone just give me a normal fantasy story without all the cultivation stat maxing bullshit? + +Just a character on a quest to do something. +--- 21952353 +>>21952347 +>congrats you write prog fantasy +Nope. An MC getting a one-time powerup, even a brief training montage, does not a progression fantasy make. +--- 21952356 +>>21952312 +>That sounds like hitting "continue" in character AI without adding a prompt. +not at all. my characters, for the most part, are very opinionated and not terribly agreeable. if some line of dialogue pops out that I find suits the character I will lean into it. Wolfe is more outwardly agreeable, but that's because she's well meaning but also a liar and wants to keep the peace. Riley I sort of envisioned as the alpha female. beautiful, vain, forceful personality, used to being in the limelight, but when Mac meets her she's on the outs with her classmates due to her behavior. I never spell it out in the book, but I'm thinking what occurred was she stole some other popular girl's bf and that girl went ham and rallied all the others against her. Wolfe stuck with her because while she's smart, she has aspergers and is socially somewhat of a pretender. Like, she didn't know how to deal with breaking off her current social obligation after trying so hard to fit in before. Mac is Mac. unrepentant criminal and psychopath that views the world pretty much in black and white, us and them. +--- 21952372 +>>21952352 +see >>21951513 +--- 21952421 +Has /wg/ finally turned into RR general? +--- 21952424 +>>21952356 +>not at all. +The process sounds exactly like that, though? +--- 21952453 +>>21952421 +Definitely seems like there are more fantasy faggots than anything else so no surprise there. +--- 21952461 +>>21952424 +maybe to an autist. I genuinely don't understand the fascination with faux "AI" internet scraping and chat regurgitation +--- 21952467 +I'm getting worried, my fantasy story isn't about a highschooler who gets isekai'd into a world full of swords and sorcery with RPG stats +--- 21952469 +>>21952453 +>it's another episode of /wg/ "muh litfic" faggots coping and seething +every time +--- 21952473 +>>21952469 +As a litfic writer I do hope the fantasy, horror and scifi bros make it. I read a decent amount of each in high school and were still pretty formative in my desire to start writing. But literary fiction is what keeps me going now. +--- 21952485 +>>21952473 +Weird. I started with litfic as a kid and I'm way past that dull shit now. Give me the superior genrefic anytime, any day of the week. +--- 21952491 +>>21952469 +everyone wants to write litfic but nobody wants to read modern litfic. At least with genre shit you can get a decent feedback loop going with readers so that you can stay motivated to keep writing. +--- 21952510 +>>21952485 +>>21952491 +i don't give a shit about litfic and whatnot, but holy crap everyone just linking Royal Road stories. Where are the random ass screenshots of excerpts? +--- 21952521 +>>21952510 +they're posting links because someone asked for links retard +--- 21952527 +>>21952510 +A guy asked for royalroad links. + +>You want an excerpt? + +“I have to call the captain.” + +“Franz?” + +“No, Captain Hill,” Caydin said as he pulled out his satellite phone. In the belly of the oil rig, there was no hope of getting a signal, so he tried his luck with through his laptop. After what felt like an eon of buffering, the call finally connected. Eventually, the officer of the deck answered. Caydin clicked his tongue and checked the time, not even an hour had passed since they had last spoken. “Sir, this is Seaman Caydin Smith of the ARCAN-B.” + +“What’s evolved?” the old man asked, his face choppy and distorted. + +“The attack we think is biological, sir. I mean, there was another attack. Our aquaculture cage–” + +“Your what?” the officer asked. + +“Our fishing cage, sir! Something ripped it off the line. Here, take a look,” he said, turning the webcam to face Larry’s display screen. The pilot lurched out of frame as Caydin tried to align the view. + +The officer of the USS Oregon scoffed. “Soldier, I can’t see a damn thing you’re showing me.” + +Caydin’s face flushed. “I’ll get you some images sent over,” he said, gesturing at Larry who tried to comply. + +“There’s been a second attack though?” + +“Yes, sir.” + +Larry added, “Megalodon, I’m tellin’ ya. It’s a megalodon.” + +The officer scoffed. “Megalodon? Who is that? They’re watching too much science-fiction.” + +Larry grunted and leaned into view of the webcam. “Name’s Larry. Civilian. I pilot the sub that you were looking through just now. I am a private citizen and employee of–” + +“Thank you for your cooperation, citizen, you don’t need to give me a lecture,” the officer said with a wave of his hand. + +“Seaman Smith, I suggest you brace your ears. I am going to begin periodic high energy sweeps of the basin. Unless it’s the water itself, whatever is out there attacking you, we’ll find it.” +--- 21952532 +>>21952521 +But ALL royal road? Holy shit have none of you guys published on amazon? +--- 21952541 +>>21952532 +i've published on amazon +it's infinitely easier to make money through patreon, however + +see>>21951630 +--- 21952544 +>>21952532 +anons were comparing dicks by sharing their stats +read the context before butting in, retard +--- 21952545 +>>21952532 +i asked for royalroad links and now i'm following their stories. just relax +--- 21952581 +>>21952545 +Thanks for the follow. Hope you like my story. +--- 21952654 +>>21951448 +Sure, here you go lad. +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/61924/the-dragon-and-the-author +And I've also been putting chapters on a rentry so that I can eventually post to RR daily. +https://rentry.org/TDATA +--- 21952793 +Reminder that >>21952532 is the level of reading comprehension of the people you're ask for feedback from here. +--- 21952802 +If my chapters are extremely long, like 15k words each, would that be a problem for tradpub? Each chapter would be divided into 3 sections so readers have a place to take a break. +--- 21952882 +>>21952793 +>being this much of a faggot +You're free to leave +--- 21952945 +>>21952461 +Anon, "running with it and see where it goes" is exactly what you do in these chat programs. +--- 21952950 +>>21952328 +A bit better yeah, I was gonna move onto other chaps but we'll stick to prologue. Here is how i would write it, take whatever you deem useful from my edits. + +Part 1: +>Ashley is running desperately on one boot through the cold forest night. The other boot lost to her many yards behind at a creek. The woman’s appearance disheveled and her light brown hair a mess from constantly tumbling down in fleeing. Coat dirty and pants ripped at the calves. She has resolved to make it out with a broken ankle or a bleeding foot than to perish. + +Running through the night in desperation, Ashley's progress is ungainly at best. If only she hadn't lost a boot! That was somewhere between here the creek. Not like her bleeding foot cares for such excuses though. + +Stumbling from the fresh spike of pain her shirt catches and rips on a waiting branch. This latest mistake only serves to add yet another scratch to her arm, matching all too well with the rest of her tattered appearance. + +>When she decided to go out into the woods of Washington state to camp out she didn’t think this is how it would end. +She’s being chased down by something, but can’t make out what. It’s always one step ahead hiding itself every time she turns back to look for it. The shadows between the trees changing shape in the blink of an eye. +Awoooooo!!! + +Good. + +>Ashley hears the howl behind, but doesn’t trust what the sound implies for a second. Knowing it’s not what it sounds like, she’s been hearing all sorts of animal calls, but has yet to see anything resembling them. + +Flinching at the howl from behind Ashley almost trips again. Its not what it sounds like, it never is! Despite her frantic reasoning she shoots a glance behind to find it was just another cruel trick. Nothings there! + +>Tenacious in the hunt, it uses the trees above to keep up with her while masking itself. Ashley hopelessly tries to make out it’s position in vain, realizing she’s got no other choice but to keep going. +Keep running... Just... Keep running!!! + +Fine. +--- 21952966 +>>21949329 +Stephen King is the McDonalds of writing, this guy is more like the sloppy joe's taco truck set up behind the gas station that gives you the hershey squirts all weekend of writing +--- 21952983 +>>21952966 +based +--- 21952990 +>>21952966 +I'll take that as a shining endorsement for the RR guy then, because I will always prefer a sweaty turk with his parking-lot kebab stand to mcdick's +--- 21952996 +Is the worst feeling in the world having 100 views but not a single comment? Not even "This shit fucking sucks ass" +--- 21953008 +>>21950225 +The last anon to claim to be tradpubbed got a short story published in some sort of Dungeons & Dragons magazine, like, 15 years ago. +And that was it. +Color me skeptical, but if you told us your tradpub creds, it'd be equally pathetic. +I don't expect you to tell us anything. +--- 21953011 +>>21952996 +Yes +Getting any comments of substance is like pulling teeth +--- 21953018 +>>21952996 +>800 views +>1 comment +people don't engage online anymore because some people have ruined it for everyone. +--- 21953020 +>>21950457 +James Joyce disagrees +--- 21953022 +>>21951549 +Tell that to the UN. +https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/04/18/un-report-calls-for-legalizing-pedophilia-n544555 +--- 21953024 +>>21952996 +Imagine the number of people who lurk threads and see your posts but don't post a reply. That's just the nature of the internet. Plus there's also bots. +--- 21953028 +>>21952206 +Neal Stephenson has practically made a career out of not writing endings. +--- 21953035 +>>21953024 +Explains why people fish for yous +--- 21953037 +>>21951448 +https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54446 +I call it a "ludicrous mystery". +--- 21953039 +>>21952802 +I mean, if you're going to divide the chapter into three anyway, why not just make it three separate chapters? My chapters tend to be 3500-4500 words with a few being longer or shorter, and they seem to be on the long side in comparison to most modern books. +--- 21953040 +>>21952996 +>>21953018 +In what context is 100 or even 800 supposed to be a lot of views? +--- 21953048 +>>21953040 +Imagine having 800 people reading one thing, or even 100 people reading 8 chapters, and not one of them ever saying a single thing? Not even "thanks for the chapter," or maybe a question related to worldbuilding, imagine a room with that many real people, and they all read your work and then leave. Not in the DNA. +--- 21953057 +My prose sucks because I grow up reading millions upon millions of poorly written fanfiction and webnovels. +What resources would you recommend studying to improve my prose? +--- 21953063 +>>21953057 +read good prose +if you actually comprehend it you will absorb it into your writing style +--- 21953070 +>>21953048 +Anon, look at just about any youtube video and compare the views to the number of comments. I think I read somewhere that a good ratio is something like 1 comment per 200 views. That's on a site where leaving a comment is a lot less effort and people engage with each other as well as the original content. +--- 21953078 +>>21953048 +Nigga, the fetish smut I publish regularly gets over 10k views within a month and only half of them get any comments. 800 people is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. You'll understand when you get more successful, or at least more prolific. +--- 21953086 +>>21953057 +Post example +--- 21953088 +>>21952510 +(Gothic) Horror bro reporting in +--- 21953089 +I wrote the following yesterday after going for a walk on the beach in the middle of the night. It'd be great to get some honest feedback as I worry that whenever I show my friends my writing they just tell me what they think I'd like to hear. + +In the near pitch blackness, the ocean reaches for me with icy fingers. The tide is low and I walk beside the void as close as I dare, strange shapes occasionally looming from the dark sand ahead. Gifts from the sea, carried over vast distances and coyly placed to take advantage of my curiosity, luring me closer. + +"Embrace me!" Whisper the waves. Embrace me. Embrace me. + +I am alone and the ocean knows it. + +To my right lies civilization, safe and tamed. To my left, beyond the crashing lullaby, is inky, infinite nothing. Only the bright pinpricks of stars offer any clue as to where water ends and sky begins on an indiscernible horizon. Usually the sound of the sea soothes me, but not tonight. A wordless shout tears from me almost unconsciously, throat straining in this human act of defiance. How pathetic. + +I am alone and the ocean is indifferent. +--- 21953090 +>>21953088 +--- 21953093 +>>21952950 +>Flinching at the howl from behind Ashley almost trips again. Its not what it sounds like, it never is! Despite her frantic reasoning she shoots a glance behind to find it was just another cruel trick. Nothings there! + +Damn that's definitely better. +I'm trying to for something more specific but that's really not bad at all. +--- 21953095 +>>21953078 +I have easily written 20k words of fetish smut per week for the past few months but I just keep it to myself. Is there really a market out there for it? I never once thought to publish it. +--- 21953097 +>>21953088 +>>21953090 +pastebin +--- 21953100 +>>21953090 +This leads to sex, right? +--- 21953106 +>>21953095 +put it on scribblehub +thank me when you're rich +--- 21953111 +>>21953097 +Cheers, anon +https://pastebin.com/mu8tKVPF +>>21953100 +Not quite but it's somewhat adjacent +--- 21953113 +>>21953095 +Depends on how popular the fetish is. As long as it's not stupidly niche you can probably make money off it provided you find a way to sell your work, whether by doing commissions, opening a patreon, or self-publishing somewhere. Maybe not enough to survive on depending on where you live, but you'll make a decent buck if you really put in the work. +--- 21953115 +>>21952950 +I feel really good about my prologue now, thank you. +Looking this over you actually really helped me flesh out some of the finer details and taught me a few ways to word better. I gotta apply this to some more of my stuff but for now I'll just work on finishing my manuscript and slowly polish it up. +I'll upload on RR eventually but I really want to move the story along now. +--- 21953154 +Anons, how early do you have heavy mental stuff with characters like motivations and internal feelings and such? I'm on a draft, and I have my character go through a detailed mental breakdown in the first 1800 words, along with a bunch of details about internal character motivation, which doesn't really leave a lot of mystery as to what the character wants, which I think is a good thing, but I've also heard that readers want mystery. What do you anons think?. +--- 21953176 +>>21953154 +>first 1800 words +>detailed mental breakdown +unless this is interspersed with the character doing something (or failing to do something) you're going to bore your reader to tears. reading about some sadsack being a sadsack is the last thing your reader wants on page 1. reading about some loser stuck in his own head is likewise not what they want. if they wanted that they wouldn't be reading your book they'd be drinking themselves into an early grave, instead +--- 21953181 +>>21952328 +Part 2: + +>Staying course towards the west in hopes of reaching people, she’s losing speed and growing tired. Knowing she’ll soon run out of energy, the idea of finding a place to hide comes to her, but she’s seen nothing save for thick trees and steep slopes. Looking back one more time, she turns to see what’s in front of her and her heart pangs in relief. A road! + +Onward Ashley's aching legs pump through the shadow filled moonlit night. Clinging to the vain hope of reach a direction even vaguely resembling west. + +On and on shadowy trees and precipitous slopes loom and fade as she frantically searches for a place to hide. Finding nothing but exposed terrain her ragged breaths and weary muscles beg her to give in. To give up! If only for a moments peace! + +Then just as Ashley's faltering will is about to collapse, the edge of a road edges jerkily into view. She can do this! + +>Ashley feels hopeful that if she just follows it south she’ll be saved, but as soon as she’s upon the asphalt she hears it. +Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!! +Ashley’s blood runs cold as she feels a primal fear for what it means. The creature’s call guttural and somehow unforgiving in it’s aggression. +Almost as if she’s done something against the rules. + +Then from behind the hunter reminders Ashley shes prey. +Caw! Caaaw!!! KKKKAAAAAWWWWW!!! +Blood running cold at the beasts cry as it rakes at her senses, her beleaguered body all but locks up in bone chilling fear. It's found her! + + +I was going to do more but it was starting to feel like work, suffice it to say your improving, keep it up anon. +--- 21953185 +>>21953154 +Readers experience your world through your character and your character's view of the world matters quite a lot, as it shapes the reader's view; however, like the world, you want to reveal that view slowly, by showing the character interacting with that world. You don't want to dump everything about the character at once; you don't want to dump everything about your world at once. Reel the reader in. +--- 21953192 +>>21953115 +Oh good, please disregard my last post then i was caught up in baking :D Keep writing and don't let the down voters ruin your authorial experience! +--- 21953196 +>>21953154 +I've had my main character go through three separate but related breakdowns related to him feeling like he has no control, and the first and third directly related to a time he nearly died. +But, for the most recent near death experience, he doesn't go through a breakdown, he just gets strange and starts to ramble. +He goes to talk with someone about this, and she knows him well, so once he gets into how he blames himself for not saving a boy who died because he wasn't strong enough, she hits him with +>Do you even remember his name? +and +>Is this just a way for you to justify doing insane experimental magic on yourself? +Another thing is showing how the monotony of schoolwork having a calming effect on him and he compares it to the past when he was forced to work long hours researching unique magic. Which, I hope people can read as him regressing to a time when he felt like he understood the world, even if he was basically in prison at the time and in the back of his mind he was constantly afraid that if he didn't produce results he would be killed. +This then culminates in him encountering a boy being bullied. He had warned the group who was doing this in the past that he would not be so forgiving a second time and he ends up paralyzing one of the boys. +Within the setting, this is considered an insane overreaction even though the boy can be healed relatively easily. +I have written out his thoughts more clearly before, but right now I am leaving some ambiguity to his mental state. +--- 21953229 +>>21953176 +My characters is essentially an entertainer, and the story starts with them doing their thing. But they have a massive identity crisis with needing to keep up a persona and acting all the time around everyone. They desperately want to be a genuine person and feel as if they are lying to the people they care about, but as the night goes on and they have to interact with more people, they basically have a mental breakdown where they are feeling physical pain and want to kill themselves. This sounds pretty extreme, and it kind of is, but I'm not sure if the audience will think it's melodramatic if it happens this early in the story. +--- 21953239 +>>21953113 +Damn, it's violent stuff and from what I can tell it's banned most places +--- 21953257 +>>21953239 +>violent +if that's all it is you can probably sell on kindle. otherwise archive of our own or maybe deviant art +--- 21953261 +>>21953239 +Is it something that’d fall under most profanity laws? +--- 21953263 +>>21953257 +Choking, bloodplay, slapping, dubcon, and any heavier violence is all apparently enough to get you permabanned from selling on Kindle. +--- 21953264 +>>21953263 +>dubcon +What? +--- 21953270 +>>21953264 +dubious consent. which is ridiculous women absolutely cream their jeans over that +--- 21953275 +>>21953270 +Ah, yeah that makes sense. Not a term I often see, though I don't really fly in those circles. +And yeah, bitches love that stuff. Reminds me of how some popular hardcore doujin are actually drawn by women. +--- 21953281 +>>21953261 +I have no idea actually +>>21953264 +Yep, what >>21953270 said, and apparently any spanking or whipping etc. needs to be extremely explicit that it's consensual or you can catch a permaban which sounds immersion breaking and boring +--- 21953288 +>>21953281 +>I've got two things for you. +>The ultimate ass wrecker 9001. +>And a consent forum, please sign here, here, and here. +--- 21953305 +>>21953263 +wait is it really that bad? the book I'm working on now the mc is going to get blackmailed/threatened into sex repeatedly. she's going to love it and hate it and then afterwards hate herself and her body for not despising it. then she gets bought, essentially, morelike prisoner transfer, to a women vampire. then the vampire gives her like one good cuddle session and she thinks things are getting better, but then it's just constant bloodsucking and no intimacy and she gets sexually frustrated as a result and she wants to go back to the other guy even though she hates him because at least he fucks her good even if he treats her like shit. I hope this isn't over the line for selling on KDP +--- 21953360 +>>21953305 +From what I've seen going down the rabbit hole on r/eroticauthors, KDP is extremely strict on what they allow; some things make it through the filter but then get caught and shut down later. Unsurprisingly, Amazon is really hostile to erotica and will allow content in other genres but ban it if it falls under erotica. +Your synopsis sounds good btw anon +--- 21953433 +>>21952996 +Normal human beings don't want to say negative things. Those who do are actively trying to hurt you, and you're not significant enough for the effort. You'd have to establish a position of superiority before they want to bring you down. +--- 21953451 +>sitting on a web novel trilogy of over 300k words +>can't post it because I'm unemployed and can't tell if I even have internet or a home in 1-2 months and would hate to leave it unfinished +Mildly annoying +--- 21953463 +>>21953451 +go to a library. go to a starbucks. more importantly, stop feeding yourself excuses +--- 21953508 +>>21953463 +They let people into starbucks without a tie or an iphone? +--- 21953515 +>>21953508 +you probably just need some leggings +--- 21953522 +>>21953451 +the world could end any year now. Which means the perfect is the enemy of the good. +--- 21953534 +Come hither my fragile flakes of snow. +A new bread awaits us all >>21953528 → +Yet post kindly, lest you melt another's dream. +--- 21953605 +>>21953522 +Apocalypse would be a simple matter. If an asteroid was about to hit the Earth, I'd punch it back and go back to writing. If there came a war, I'd kill everybody trying to invade and go back to writing. If a deadly virus spread, I'd get more tissues and go back to writing. But finding a job that pays you real money and leaves enough time and energy to write, that's fucking hard man +--- 21953622 +>>21953605 +giant mood diff --git a/lit/21947134.txt b/lit/21947134.txt index 966a31faff93dffeeb3ca260751a0d879e8f43a8..01f8172abf3ed2b372f62ce5187dadb796b8cdf5 100644 --- a/lit/21947134.txt +++ b/lit/21947134.txt @@ -139,3 +139,92 @@ Don't get those panties in a twist you'll live longer >>21947134 (OP) >Why is /lit/ full of so many materialists? Because survival of the fittest. Materialism works, therefore its adherents propagate more. +--- 21951153 +>>21949673 +If i point at myself would u be satisfied +--- 21951173 +>>21949683 +At least it is one of the few categories of philosophy with a very definable sequence of problems, issues, and popular positions. Mind by John Searle does a good job at highlighting the development of ideas in Philosophy of Mind by focusing specifically on the problems at hand and their proposed solutions. +--- 21951176 +>>21949703 +Oh so its just a retarded version of Library of Babel +--- 21951254 +>>21947134 (OP) +Because are in a stage of Kali Yuga that is heavily characterized by ignorance +--- 21952047 +>>21951254 +>kali yuga +>Some shit you only learned about from a book or the internet +>material things made by engineers +retard, you're sitting at the recieving end of all this work complaining that people are too materialistic. y +--- 21952989 +>>21947697 +It's not entirely clear what the relevance of that essay to the afterlife post is, but the glaring error in it is the implicit assertion that the universe is a closed system. This is a core LessWrong dogma, because otherwise Solomonoff Induction wouldn't be the One True Way to learn the truth. But it's not actually a reasonable belief. One of the fundamental physical processes is quantum state reduction, which is random, i.e. it adds new bits of information to the universe each time it happens. Yudkowsky copes with this by asserting the Many Worlds Interpretation, which is the claim that the state reductions we observe are not "real", the "real" universe is constantly splitting into multiple branches which are all "objectively" "real", even though what we actually experience will only ever be a series of random reductions which aren't determined by a shorter program. + +LessWrong is a useful resource because it's seemingly the only place where people actually aspire to understand and apply rationalism, while the typical Science Believer is a simple cargo cultist. But what you will eventually find (if you are seeking the truth, rather than confirmation that your gigantic analytical brain is Super Important) is that its most valuable contribution is demonstrating precisely the reasons why rationalism is an idol. +--- 21953241 +>>21947605 +Are you STILL shilling this book? +--- 21953243 +>>21948632 +Refuted by Berkeley +--- 21953244 +>>21949673 +I would show you a mirror but you would die from how ugly you are +--- 21953323 +>>21947605 +Spirituality (aka the occult or supernatural) is something real and it's extraordinarily evident, pic related is one examples. This is a hidden side of nature that most people are not aware of thanks mostly to the jews and the christgolems, as well as in most recent times skeptics who are liars and apologists for capitalist, mainstream science and academia. +They're apologists because they're as dishonest and fallacious in their reasoning as much as the average defender of the abrahamic faiths. When they don't argue against theories like the flat earth or young creationism or other abrahamic belief, at best they will make a good argument against the weakest proposition of an idea. +--- 21953332 +>>21949368 +This meme would be better if jewsus had a shlomo shekelberg face with a hooked nose. +--- 21953373 +>>21953323 +lol why on earth would there be a massive global conspiracy to prevent people from reading the newspaper to get their daily fortune? and don't you think it'd be pretty difficult to fabricate an entire worldwide tradition in the physical sciences just to undermine the claim that your personality is determined by where a planet was when you came out of a vagina? you're dumb as hell +--- 21953563 +>>21953373 +>you're dumb as hell +He writes while not understanding the following +>astrology and its possibilities +>power +>capitalism +Either kys or go back to r.ddit +--- 21953614 +>>21947134 (OP) +It is? I never particularly noticed. I'll be more wary of NPCs now. +--- 21953616 +>>21947134 (OP) +It's the standard brainlet worldview, so they adopt it uncritically despite ironically seeing themselves as smart and critical thinkers. It's the eternal irony of materialists. +--- 21953617 +>>21947182 +Dennett literally claims to be unconscious, which is simultaneously more logically consistent yet stupider than the average materialist who claims that qualia are somehow "material", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, or that the phenomenon of qualia has some mundane "physical", whatever that word is supposed to even mean, explanation. The brain generating consciousness is as explicable as a genie popping out of a lamp after you rub it. +--- 21953634 +>>21949774 +There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong". +--- 21953636 +>>21949791 +Exact opposite is true. Atheists have very poor fertility rates. +--- 21953709 +>>21947134 (OP) +Because appealing to the bhagavad gita is not a solid account of consciousness. + +Two ways to deal with consciousness. + +Either treat it as overly mystical and ascribe some supernatural property to try and explain it. + +Or + +Treat it as matter of fact and proceed to explain it in terms of cognitive psychology and neuroscience. + +Both of these constitute extremes, and it is difficult to strike the appropriate balance. + +The former is not an answer and the latter cannot hope to give one. But philosphers do want an answer, so they start off on the more concrete foundations of the latter side. Where is the balance best struck? I don't know. +--- 21953735 +>>21953616 +Lol +Not a materialist btw. +--- 21953762 +>>21947134 (OP) +Because materialism is the midwits' kingdom and /lit/ is full of them, as is the nature of any public forum. +Todays mascots of materialism, the Dennets and Dawkinses, display such a disregard for serious scholarship that one doesn't even know where to start critiquing their positions. They have caricaturesque ideas about religion, spiritual traditions and (non-analytic) philosophy, clearly lifted from shallow popular treatments. +Same psychology is at work in a major part of /lit/izens who love the battleground action of defending strong opinions on books they never read and aren't even particularly interested in. diff --git a/lit/21947199.txt b/lit/21947199.txt index baaa11374fdc3f134988641adac1dfbaea864af7..80ddc32c82188549f48ea335249c7cd1e45f32dc 100644 --- a/lit/21947199.txt +++ b/lit/21947199.txt @@ -941,3 +941,298 @@ God is not a given. It's a proposition, usually founded on faith. This is the sl >Japan's conceptualization of religion is fairly divorced from that of the West >purifying themselves with sacred water "Sacred water" is like ghost stories or UFO-abduction. Alien anal probing is supernatural, but not religious. +--- 21950076 +>>21947217 +If you don't do the last one then you're not heckin validating those stunning and brave mohametan immigrants enough to live in a secular society nowadays. +--- 21950184 +Atheism implies nominalism/relativism and a rejection of natural law. The Darwinian metaphysic essentially does away with teleology in nature; the penis becomes no longer an organ built and designed for reproduction, but merely a mutated deformity which over the course of history man has found it evolutionarily advantageous to use for the purposes of reproduction, but which in itself has no inherent purpose. Hence the sexual faculty is abstracted from its telos and man becomes free to pursue pure pleasure in whatever deranged form his appetite inclines him to: homosexuality, cross-dressing, fornication. +To be sure, the Darwinian metaphysic does imply that *over the long run* those social attitudes which discourage such behaviours will eventually prevail, since it is an empirical fact that traditional sexual morality leads to higher rates of reproduction. But for the atheist this is a matter of no importance, since Natural Selection is but a mechanism and not a moral principle to abide by. In fact to even call it a “mechanism” is misleading. Natural Selection does not select anything. It exerts no causal force upon the world. It merely states that those genes which will die out, will die out, and those which will not die out, will not die out. A mere truism totally free from ethical implications. +For the atheist, then, the question of morality is simply a question of his own self-interest and pleasure. Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because it is in the interest of each individual to live in a law-governed society; and feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection. Thence comes his one and only ethical principle— a principle so vacuous that even a worm abides by it — “do what you want as long as you don’t harm others”. And since the atheist is inevitably a nominalist or relativist, there is no man or woman, no objective telos baked into nature governing the duties of the particular sexes, no gender roles, and therefore no ontological reality of sex. Transgenderism is simply a logical consequence of this deranged worldview. +--- 21950352 +>>21950184 +>man becomes free to pursue pure pleasure +or pursue genetical engineering. Cloning, designer babies, artificial uterus, etc. + +>pure pleasure +Yet self-flagellating religious freaks are concerned not with a long-term positive feedback loop. They just make an autistic screech "Pleasure bad!". + +>A mere truism +Norretranders T. - 'The User Illusion. Cutting Consciousness Down to Size' (1998): + +"In Nature, Landauer writes about Bennett, Kuhn, and Lloyd-Pagels: “These definitions are, in a sense, tautologies. They all roughly say: that which is reached only through a difficult path is complex. Tautologies, however, are welcome if they replace nonsense. Darwin cleared the air by telling us that the survivors survive.” + +>his own self-interest +All your altruistic actions are also egoistically selfish ones. In fact, when you do NOT pursue your own purposes, you are effectively saying: "I cannot find my own purpose. My life is worth shit." Which also means "Life per se is worth shit." + +If person speaks in a language of selflessness, it is a sign we're dealing with a sick wretch. + +>Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because +And for a religious zealot, any kind of activity is to be preferred because some transcendent thingamabob decreed so, all empirical correlates be damned, just believe a fucking book. +--- 21950371 +>>21950184 +>Social co-operation is to be preferred simply because +Simply because you are hardwired not to want to die. And it is cheaper to be a part of a superorganism, in terms of thermodynamics and algorithmic entropy. + +>feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection +Yes. + +>Thence comes his one and only ethical principle— a principle so vacuous that even a worm abides by it — “do what you want as long as you don’t harm others”. +>one and only ethical principle +Nietzsche looks at you with profound befuddlement. +--- 21950384 +>>21947217 +Based. At the very least they need to largely abandon their abrahamic bindings if they ever want god to be taken seriously again. +--- 21950421 +>>21950184 +>feelings such as compassion are merely emotions instilled within us by the process of natural selection +A thought experiment: + +1. You've just bought a new fashionable suit, worth $1000. Nearby a young girl is drowning in a pond, desperately screaming for help. If you won't interfere, she'll definitely die. You can swim and save her, but your suit would be ruined. Would you bother? +2. You're planning to buy a new fashionable suit worth $1000. Alternatively you could donate moneys for starving children in Africa. Would you allow someone on the opposite corner of the Earth to starve to death? +Death equals death, yes/no? + +Conclusion: +Your morality is a product of group selection. You care about vivid nearby cases, not some abstract distinct ones. Because your tribespeople's lives are important for your mutual survival, while outgroup competitors' aren't. +Morality has emerged for group selection purposes, that is for intertribal competition, that is to fight off outsiders. There is nothing 'moral' in morality. +--- 21950593 +>>21950352 +>>21950371 +My point was to outline the ontological grounding of morality in the atheistic worldview. For the atheist there is no ground to morality other than a self-interested desire to escape harm. The atheist reasons that the most effective way to ensure his own security is to co-operate with other men. There is nothing wrong with rape or murder, except insofar as it represents a tactical blunder; since if I am caught after the act others will seek for retaliation. If my neighbours perceive me as harmless, they will defend me; if they perceive me as a threat, they will eliminate me. And I do not want to be eliminated. + +The theistic grounding for morality is ontologically baked into reality itself. To pursue pleasure for the sake of it, to engage in, for example, homosexual sex, is not simply wrong because it is against the arbitrary decree of a divine lawmaker, but because it is *a contradiction with the very nature of sexuality and its real, inherent purpose*. This Aristotelian conception of natural law theory, adopted by the scholastics and implicit in the earliest Christian texts (Christ: He that sins is a slave to sin.), is a theory of morality which is not merely prescriptive but descriptive in essence. To act immorally is no less a contradiction than it would be for an apple tree to produce bananas. It is against nature itself. + +And, as I said, since atheists are perforce nominalists, the Transgenderism simply follows from their metaphysical presuppositions. + +One can see then that the atheistic conception of morality gives no reason for the individual atheist to refrain from evil, since, as a mere self-interested calculation, an adventurous atheist fond of risk can simply decide that, for him, the pleasure of a killing spree is worth the potential consequences. If he has compassion, he will of course refrain from such action, but even for the psychopathic theist it is impossible on purely metaphysical, rather than emotional, grounds. + +Now this debate on morality is interesting, but if we were to start from the beginning — the most fundamental metaphysical and epistemological assumptions of atheism — your worldview would simply fall apart. +>>21950421 +Luxuries like $1000 suits are symptomatic of pride, which is a false belief in one’s own importance, and thus predicated on falsehood. Even if I were the richest man in the world, I would continue driving my Škoda and dressing modestly. Personally, I have never been tempted with luxuries. +--- 21950754 +>>21950593 +>For the atheist there is no ground to morality other than a self-interested desire to escape harm. +There is a thing called 'rubber hand illusion'. A propensity to confuse oneself with another object. That's how group identification works. What makes humans strive to achieve something 'beyond' themselves is a 'hive switch' (in terms of Jonathan Haidt), not God. + +>not simply wrong because it is against the arbitrary decree of a divine lawmaker, but because it is *a contradiction with the very nature +translation: a theist dares to presume to have access to the very nature of nature, and tells others that his opinion is akshually a divine decree. + +>This Aristotelian conception of natural law theory +was naturalized by Darwin. Moreover, Darwin offers one IBE-argument (Inference to the Best Explanation), where Aristotle had two. + +Panda's paws are notoriously shit (construction-wise), not because they all are defective instances of an ideal class, but vice versa: whatever the panda's paw as a class is, it is a statistical mean of all the current instances. +And it also merges with the conception of emergence of life. Animals did not just randomly appeared through a spontaneous generation, but stem from a "Tree of life" + +What was an embarrassment for the Aristotelian conception, became strength for Darwin's. + +>the Transgenderism simply follows +the transgenderism is when you postulate a magical schematic of femininity/masculinity, claim it essential and try to deconstruct biology for this schematic's preservation's sake. No one becomes an MtF simply because of nominalism, but because of cute dresses and female behavior stereotypes. + +This is why tribal shamans decide to change their gender after drug trip revelations. Social constructs are essential for them, taxonomy is essential for them, while actual biology is not. If you do not fit in into one category, that means you have to be designated into another one. + +>since, as a mere self-interested calculation +I repeat: if you claim disinterest as a virtue, you accuse life of being not worth living. The moment you speak of altruism as something obligatorily done in contradiction to one's own interest, you propose nihilism. + +>an adventurous atheist fond of risk can simply decide that, for him, the pleasure of a killing spree is worth the potential consequences +Soldiers, executioners, black ops, etc. There are ways of constructively channeling those urges, instead of just ignoring biology and/or castrating oneself. + +>for the psychopathic theist it is impossible on purely metaphysical, rather than emotional, grounds. +Just claim a god told you to. +"But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:" +--- 21950763 +>>21949854 +You're being a pedantic retard because you don't know what you're talking about. +--- 21950914 +>>21950754 +I do not very much enjoy these point-by-point discussions I so often am dragged into on this website, because I believe that they have the habit of obscuring the important for the tangential; and by an aggregation of tangential attacks and the necessity of defending myself on each one, the attacker creates the false impression that my position is somehow in jeopardy. I will therefore respond to what I believe is the essence of your post. + +You proffer a heap of psychological reasons, derived from your atheistic-materialist worldview, which purport to explain why human beings behave morally. In the context of this discussion, however, these are irrelevant. I from the beginning have been talking about the *ontology* of morality; and how fundamentally in the atheistic worldview morality is an arbitrary human creation, justified purely in terms of practicality. One must not confuse ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”) with epistemology (“what can we know?”) or psychology (“why do people behave how they behave?”). + +Since atheism fundamentally views morality as either an illusion or a practical rule justified in terms of self-interest, the atheist has no ontological grounding for morality. He is just like the Divine Command Theorist, who states that things are good or bad based on the arbitrary decree of a God. The only worldview in which morality is not arbitrary and has a real existence is the one which bakes it into the ontological nature of reality; which states that murder or homosexuality, for example, are just as wrong as the statement “2+2=5” or “this apple tree produces bananas”. It is most purely expressed in Aristotelian natural law theory, adopted and propagated by the Catholic Church. + +Finally, my claim from the beginning has been that the atheistic worldview implies transgenderism because of its conception of morality as well as its nominalism. “Do what you want as long as it doesn’t aggress against others”, which is the only principle derivable from a purely practical conception of morality, combined with the view that “Man” and “Woman” are mere labels referring to nothing real, necessarily implies that transwomen are women. + +The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just. + +I want to ask you: what is your particular argument against transgenderism? And if you don’t have one, then don’t you agree with me? +--- 21951020 +>>21950914 +>seethes about atheism +>believes in "god" for culture war purposes +lol lmao even +--- 21951050 +>>21950593 +>since atheists are perforce nominalists, the Transgenderism simply follows from their metaphysical presuppositions +Transgenderism has far more to do with a sacred and transcendental mindset than it does with the mere rejection of theism. By sacrificing parts of his body, the neo-eunuch is elevated within society as someone set apart, who has been ennobled and allowed to ritually transgress "the rules" ordinary people are bound by. He bears the modern day version of the holy stigmata, the divine wounds which do not heal and serve as a marker of his ideological piety and faith to the idea of Woman as an eternal form superior to his own natural one. He is reborn—no, resurrected—into a greater order which the rest of us must respect or face trials of heresy, economic exclusion, and social ostracism. A truly committed atheist should be anti-clerical toward all these faiths, and not bow to an agenda whose values are those of slaves. Let those who wish to yearn for their rebirth into a new life do so, for they are all equals in nihilism and were indeed bred and born that way. +--- 21951140 +>>21948679 +They're all similar. +Christianity: blood-cult, life is suffering, priests have free access to children, sky daddy is simultaneously LE ABSTRACT FIRST PRINCIPLE but also a literal dude. God is somehow omniscient but also needs to be personified in order to commune with humanity +Judaism: circumcision cult, believes they're le superior master race, God is bipolar and makes them wage holy war, most of them don't even believe in him. +Islam: Comically repressive, prophet is literally just some guy who had schizophrenia and was a pedophile, followers are 100% bloodthirsty, fight over the most retarded sectarian issues. +--- 21951144 +>>21950914 +>the *ontology* of morality +Which has to be grounded in the neurobiology of your brain. +>One must not confuse ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”) with epistemology (“what can we know?”) or psychology (“why do people behave how they behave?”). +One must show how one level correlates with another, elsewise you are producing "the Sun arises in the East" kind of explanations: it is an instrumentalization of a perspectival illusion - locally useful to orient oneself on the surface of the planet, but it is the Earth that does all the moving. Move into space, and it becomes completely useless. + +>ontology (“what is a thing’s nature?”) +The absence of information is different from the information of absence. You do not have access to such answers. To speak of ontology (or rather the ontology of the ontology), one must deal with epistemology. +And just as your eye cannot see its seeing, you are not physically capable to cognize your cognizing. All your self-knowledge is heuristics. To speak of epistemology, one must switch to psychology. + +>He is just like the Divine Command Theorist, who states that things are good or bad based on the arbitrary decree of a God. +These "good/bad" proclamations are filtered through natural selection. If they are not viable, you go extinct. And their viability depends on the external environment - the criteria of this filter change. +>arbitrary decree of a God +I suppose, you could equate this God (the source of the probabilistical correctness/wrongness) with Complexity Theory, an unaccountable changing of the boundary conditions of the dynamical process as it unfolds, - but "God" usually implies intentionality, while this thing would be too unsentient/lovecraftian and is tied to thermodynamics. + +>Aristotelian natural law theory +Which - just like Aristotelian physics - has been proven not to be scientifically viable. If you dispute scientific methodology, then reject all scientific progress and return into a cave. + +>Finally, my claim from the beginning has been that the atheistic worldview implies transgenderism +To which it has been replied, that it is the rigid ontology that implies transgenderism. And unless you claim, that tribals are crypto-atheists, it actually proves to be a widespread religious/cultural phenomena. +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#Traditional_Bantu_third_genders + +>that “Man” and “Woman” are mere labels referring to nothing real +>necessarily implies that transwomen are women. +If they refer to nothing real, then you CANNOT claim that "computers are essentially for boys, dolls are for girls". And therefore, a man CANNOT claim to be a woman (magically changing his essence into a woman's) on the basis of wanting to wear a skirt. +Just because gender theorists spurt out 2 mutually-exclusive claims ("social constructs refer to nothing real" and "transwomen are women"), does not imply that one follows from another. +--- 21951174 +>>21950914 +>“Do what you want as long as it doesn’t aggress against others” +No, that would be Kant's categorical imperative: do unto others as you wish to be done onto you. +And it had been reformulated by Nietzsche: if you are willing to disregard your own well-being, its absolutely okay to harm the others. +--- 21951199 +>>21951144 +Their argument is that since nominalism is true, all of our categories are simply made up. Thus we can assign to the concept “womanhood” anything we wish. Also, not recognising trans women as women is a direct affront to their psychology, since (they claim) it makes them feel bad to the point of suicide in some cases. So we should just call them women. + +I don’t see how you would respond to this. You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood; you believe it is merely a name. So society can change the concept however it wishes, for the good of everybody (in accordance with the atheistic practical moral of do what thou wilt but do not infringe against others). + +I do believe in reason and science (not scientism; science being merely a minor subset of philosophy). But I do not believe in “The Academy” or the idea that scientific consensus offers anything other than a slight probability in favour of the idea agreed upon, necessarily weaker than a demonstrative argument to the contrary. Aristotelian physics (or metaphysics) has not been shown to be “unviable”. There are modern day physicists such as Carlo Rovelli and others (to give you your so-desired stamp of Authority) that believe Aristotelian physics and metaphysics is reconcilable with modern physics and is therefore a real scientific achievement. + +Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I’ll read your response if you have one but I won’t be responding again for the sake of my own time, energy, and sanity. +--- 21951357 +>>21951199 +>since nominalism is true, all of our categories are simply made up +Yet biology is not. +Trying to deconstruct biology is akin to certain postmodernists' claiming that tuberculosis did not exist prior to the invention of the term in 1882. + +>I don’t see how you would respond to this. You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood; you believe it is merely a name. So society can change the concept however it wishes +We can also theoretically assign any function to any object: a microscope is for scratching one's back. This is a general problem with functionalism - either one has a definite filtration criterion, or one can spawn infinities of explanations. Which is why biology is a hard science, and sociology is not so much. +But just because I am unwilling to re-assign a microscope into a back-scratcher, it does not follow that it has to have an essence of Microscopiness. + +>You don’t believe there is such a thing Womanhood; +Classification of a woman as a woman is tied to her biological ability to reproduce. You cannot simply make up that. No ontological essences are needed, however: either you are empirically equipped with certain organs and chromosomes, or not. The rest is negotiable. A girl may like computers and dress like a tomboy, but she is still a woman. + +The transgenders, however, are fetishistic concerning the behavioral stereotypes. They just want superficial mimicry: to menstruate with blood like women, etc. +--- 21951409 +>>21950914 +>an arbitrary human creation +Secular ethics is not arbitrary, and religious mythology is a human creation too, like it or not. +--- 21951413 +>>21947199 (OP) +>social decline +Newfags post twitter threads, how's that for social decline you black gorilla nigger? + +>>21948113 +Most convincing argument I've ever seen against the existence of a just God. +--- 21951417 +>>21950184 +>the Darwinian metaphysic +You're not anywhere near as smart as you think you are. Your observations are trite, your arguments flawed. There is no such thing as "Darwinian metaphysics", there is just reality and what we can learn about it. Now, if you don't like reality, and flee it into a delusion, then I guess religion really would be your cup of tea. + +In your analysis of atheists, you reduce man too far, as if, simply because the mechanics of evolution are blind, merely individuals living or dying based on genes interacting with environment, this somehow reduces the cognitive faculties of man. Once you have a mind capable of higher reasoning, you can have compassion, nobility, empathy, all arising from humanity's evolutionary of living in societies together, and not diminished by the understanding of how they arise at all. + +As stated earlier in this thread, there are better and worse ways to live in society with other man. You seem awfully hung up on "telos", but the fact is our biological systems are set up to pursue certain things and desire certain things as a matter of our existence. These things include deeply meaningful things (the fact that they are relatively meaningful does not change the fact that we find them meaningful), such as family, community, honor, nobility, in short: virtue. None of these things are contingent on a "God" or any religious system at all. + +If you think an accurate understanding of how the natural world exists and functions equate to a "deranged worldview", your only alternative is to cloak yourself in a delusion to hide from the truth of reality. Choose carefully. +--- 21951443 +>>21950914 +>I do not very much enjoy these point-by-point discussions I so often am dragged into on this website, because I believe that they have the habit of obscuring the important for the tangential +>"I don't like having to defend my ludicrous and outrageous statements which are, in fact, indefensible" +Say no more. +--- 21951481 +>>21950914 +>practical rule justified in terms of self-interest +Do you suppose that an individual's self interest is not also in seeing his fellow man do well? No man is an island, his self interest is served when his group does well in life, as a result, he works to advance his family, his community, and perhaps, in diminishing degrees, his country and his race. The things you seem to be downplaying, human solidarity, is not absent simply because all that operate are natural laws. There are virtues that can be discovered by reason, but contemplating what actions, what behaviors, lead to the most flourishing, well being, and ultimately desirable outcomes for a society. Thus, the selfish interest and the interest of the society converge, even more so the more people contribute to this synergistic relationship. + +Let me put it this way, Aristotle wrote that the virtues can be discovered by way of reason. This is consistent with a natural, atheistic viewpoint. There are objectively better and worse ways to organize society, better and worse ways to behave in that society. Again, in a very real sense, our desires themselves are objective things because they arise from material causes in nature (our biology shaped by evolution). Thus, our desires, guided by reason, can attain the heights of morality and virtue, and it's only through the foregoing of reason that catastrophe can arise. +--- 21951507 +>>21950914 +>The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just. +>I want to ask you: what is your particular argument against transgenderism? And if you don’t have one, then don’t you agree with me? +One can argue against transgenderism on strictly materialistic grounds regarding society and it's desired outcome. Simply ask this, will society help more people to attain happy, satisfying lives with an increase in transgender people or a decrease? I think reason will support the fact that people are better off, generally, not taking drastic surgical or hormonal actions to alter their bodies, and have better outcomes by trying to conform to their natural sex. Now, this leads to the most important question, how much pressure should be applied to people to conform to prescribed modes, or "forms" and how much should individual liberty be respected? The case could be made that it's better for there to be liberty, that people can cross dress if that is the exercise of their liberty, and that any authoritarian intervention would lead to a diminishing of the flourishing of society. These questions can be answered on naturalistic and materialistic grounds, no appeal to divine telos or "God" needed. +--- 21951709 +>>21951481 +Aristotle is not consistent with atheism. + +Reason is impossible under an atheistic worldview since for the atheist the mind is identical to the brain, a material object made out of atoms, and the process of reasoning is simply identical to the movements of these atoms in particular configurations — a view which obviously reduces to absurdity. The laws of logic, mathematics, and even our own sense-impressions are not objectively real but are merely reflections of the atomic-physical structure of the human brain; which inexplicably are transformed into the phenomenon of conscious experience when certain movements of particles occur. The sober human brain’s configuration of atoms is only arbitrarily preferred over the configuration of atoms of a human high on drugs, or a cat. Either that or “consciousness is an illusion” as the consistent atheists say while desperately trying to fit everything into their materialist box. + +When I say atheist here I do not mean one who withholds belief in a particular religion, but one who subscribes to the Darwinist worldview: that the world popped into existence from nothing and by a series of unguided and random processes human life came about. To compare this to Aristotle is to betray your own ignorance, since it is precisely the inversion of Aristotle, for whom everything is guided by striving towards God. +--- 21951752 +>>21951709 +>Reason is impossible under an atheistic worldview since for the atheist the mind is identical to the brain, a material object made out of atoms, and the process of reasoning is simply identical to the movements of these atoms in particular configurations — a view which obviously reduces to absurdity. +On the contrary. Just because we can understand the mechanics that give rise to the phenomenon does not, in anyway, diminish the phenomenon. If you are the previous anon, you seem to do this a lot. As if knowing that atoms are the core composition of a thing changes the end result. As if you need there to be some unknown magic property in something in order for "reason" or other macro phenomenon to actually exist. This is a fallacy known as the fallacy of personal incredulity. Reason, as we know it, absolutely can and does arise from the material thing known as a brain, which operates under material laws. The complexity is key, something you seem intend on downplaying. +>Aristotle, for whom everything is guided by striving towards God. +lol are you for real? Aristotle lived in ancient Greece where there was a whole pantheon of gods. He explicitly states that virtues can be arrived at by reason which tempers desire, you should read The Nicomachean Ethics. + +Also, as a point of interest, are you denying "the Darwinist worldview"? Does natural selection and random gene combination and gene mutation not exist in the natural world? +--- 21951794 +>>21951752 +You're right, but the other guy knows more about the subject than you +--- 21953010 +>>21947990 +>Assmann +--- 21953291 +>>21947371 +Based and true. Most of societial ills being with fornication. +--- 21953295 +>>21947952 +That's a terrible argument. There can be practical considerations as well as metaphysical ones. One could very well say, because there's an ideal social order that's Divinely appointed breaking it will inevitably have bad social consequences. +--- 21953308 +>>21947199 (OP) + +the worst countries are religious countries + +people in nordic countries are all atheists. east asians are all atheists(except for some koreans) +--- 21953310 +niggers are all religious and they commit violent crimes +religion doesn't seem to prevent them from being cunts +--- 21953313 +>>21953308 + +What's the obsession with this? If you visit Japan you find a lot of well put together, dressed formal and the hold them selves in a regal manner. They're freaking hot and they read lots too. Why do weebs like these weird child behavior women? +--- 21953314 +>>21947281 +niggers are more likely to be religious than non-religious + +you are more of a nigger than an atheist. atheism is very white +--- 21953317 +>>21953313 + +> Why do weebs like these weird child behavior women? + +because they are cute and attractive +--- 21953326 +>>21953314 + +than an atheist is* +--- 21953334 +religion is for low iq niggers +--- 21953336 +https://youtu.be/uYE2Urp1n8s?t=11 [Embed] +--- 21953474 +>>21950914 +>I from the beginning have been talking about the *ontology* of morality and how fundamentally in the atheistic worldview morality is an arbitrary human creation +You are misguided because you are stuck in a christian dualism between man and nature that does not appreciate the radicality of so-called darwinian metaphysics. +Immanent to this metahysics is the view that man is part of nature and a creation of nature. Since man has preferences and teleology, it follows that nature itself has it, as man is part of nature. The entire point of darwinian metaphysics is to deny the radical split between man and nature that you are using as a tool to criticize it. +Now you might think you've won because this is just about preferences, but it entails no problems to take the further step and say that nature has testified its preference for being over non-being and for life over inert matter via the very process of evolution. This provides all the building blocks needed to construct a metaethical realism that goes far beyond securing individual preferences without any need for theology, and the resultant metaethical realism is just as metaphysically tenable as whatever theological one you can cook up, but relies less on speculation. + +>The natural law theorist would say on the contrary that in our very bodies we are able to discern our responsibilities and duties. Not only does Man and Woman exist as Forms, irreformable by mutilation, they each have their own particular telos and hence gender roles in particular are necessary and just. +God isn't needed for this either. You could just as well postulate "moral facts" as you could postulate "God", and thus remain in an atheist metaphysics, and there is no compelling reason why the latter should be preferred. +--- 21953486 +>>21953308 +Nordic and East Asian countries are on their way to extinction. +--- 21953774 +>>21950914 +>I must believe in God, otherwise I'm incapable of formulating a single argument against trannies +Aquinas is rolling in his grave. diff --git a/lit/21947634.txt b/lit/21947634.txt index 65d84b7c63c07465212e445c216feb263d0fe186..23f6272557f698e2ad37295de9c71bbbcbc1bef7 100644 --- a/lit/21947634.txt +++ b/lit/21947634.txt @@ -21,3 +21,31 @@ Kek, same. My father had this movie on VHS and I’ve learnt fapping to it aroun No, and stop searching. --- 21949778 I would just like to state for the record that Frank Langella is, was, and always shall be a poor man's Christopher Lee. +--- 21950850 +>>21949714 +I will not. +--- 21950892 +>>21949778 +To be fair, that's not exactly a bad thing to be. +--- 21951309 +>>21947634 (OP) +The devil isn’t Lucifer +>>21948045 +She was an Angel +>>21949778 +Frank Langella isn’t Christopher Lee +--- 21951316 +>>21951309 +>She was an Angel +Fallen, maybe. +--- 21951332 +>>21951316 +Yhwh is a cruel and prudish deity. Falling from his favor isn’t such a bad thing. +--- 21951364 +>>21947634 (OP) +What I don't get is why do people in old times refer to Satan as Lucifer if Lucifer was just le King James Bible minstranslation. +--- 21952866 +>>21951364 +Christians are well known for being morons +--- 21952880 +Why did Satan pick Johnny Depp over the old dude with the trendy specs? He seemed more deserving to enter the 9th gate desu. diff --git a/lit/21947932.txt b/lit/21947932.txt index 418ba162e374d7c505e255b2baf4f54d742d7e17..4cf78f7b896108ab0496779110f90fb06faab448 100644 --- a/lit/21947932.txt +++ b/lit/21947932.txt @@ -36,9 +36,6 @@ the left has gone insane --- 21948007 >>21947996 Politics makes people retarded tribal ooga boogas. ---- 21948010 ->>21947996 -Shut up chudlet --- 21948036 >>21947987 >America's Christianity is tied to financial success @@ -414,3 +411,778 @@ Shakspere is a sham. Remind me when it's Bacon's birthday >She always finds it funny when I talk like this but for the past few months she has actually been losing weight. What the heck? Im glad she's doing it cos it's probably the right thing to do but I really enjoyed her as a fat bitch. Should i tell her to stop and try to get her to accept herself lol, or will I regret it longer term? +--- 21949918 +The intefmrface is surprisingly friendly on mobile I like swapping boards +--- 21949933 +I cant stop feeling sorry for myself. I cant. +--- 21949989 +>>21947932 (OP) +Now came the prince and his shadow to a ringed valley in the peaks; here was the homeland of their exalted forefather. +There was a waystation atop the first hill; tiles of gold and lapis blue, white bell-flowers dancing in the wind. In the house of the wind they sat. +Said the prince: god made men to toil and labor, and in holy lands do man languish - like you and me. +The shadow said: what is this transient perfection to the everliving, how can our toil be loved by the poet who scripted our labour? +So he said to himself: did I not deface you, oh shadow of mine; for were you not transient perfection, and am I not the labourer who loves? +But the prince did not stir, and the shadow rose with him before a setting sun, silent. +Down, down, they went, to the poppy fields. The holy land was empty, the great works long ground to dust. There, before a ruined temple, they took shelter - and the reds, orange, the pink and the white! Like a sea of flame under setting sunlight, to cast only the shadow sharper. +Said the shadow: You long for my memory, but memory is the toil of desperation, the labour of delusion. +The prince did not speak, and bowed to pray. +Said the prince to the prince: Was I not a transient beauty, transmuted by you into eternal virtue? for no man alive can sculpt my visage, no man but you. +The prince again bowed to pray. +The shadow laughed, softly, demurely, but it cut his ears like an evil wind: he said, my memory is a sword in the hand of an artist of suffering. +The prince said, I would cut you down again with pleasure. But they both knew this was a lie. +The morning came, and the poppies danced for them. In smoke and haze the shadow and prince sat again, leaning on one another. +I couldn't kill you, he whispered. Something wet fell on his shoulder then, and he heard a choked laugh, felt curly hair against his face. I would kill you, he said, after a long time. +But I, said the prince, Am the dreamer of your dream. I and I alone laboured, and I alone toil for your memory. A shuddered sigh, and the sickly smell of smoke breezed by. +You made me a memory, said a shadows whispered voice. +All I told you was what I could see. And all you made of me was something no other man could see. +Then the prince smiled, and the prince again faded into him, for they were equal and opposite - two princes, two shadows; one mirror, one beauty, one eye. +Because, said the prince, you are for no man, but me. +Then slept the prince and his shadow, and his dreams had been dark ones. In his dream, his shadow said, +Should not the shadow reflect the man? +When again the prince awoke, he wore the scars of his shadow on his face; and he was all alone, in the holy land. +And when he left, the prince could not find in his memory perfection, nor a lovers soft hands - only a shadowed face, like knife-scars on lost lands. +--- 21950014 +Why does the modern day workplace have so many low-mid level managers? At my company its probably a manager for every 5 low level workers. But they scrap things like paid breaks, or cutting down the money on 'unsocial' hours to cut costs, but hire this many managers that practically do nothing, while paying them 2x or more what the people who are most productive for the buisness get. Whats the reasoning behind this is a company wants to cut labor costs and make as much profit as possible while being wasteful in this way +--- 21950021 +>>21949989 +You should read The Shadow by Andersen. It's one of the best of the type. +--- 21950028 +>>21948827 +Take what is valuable and then leave. +--- 21950033 +>>21948319 +There is a perception of pumping +--- 21950035 +>>21950014 +the purpose of the modern corporation is to forward the interests of managerialism, not to make profit. Putting forward the joint interests of managerialism and wokism is the primary motive, not profit. see gillette and others, took billions in losses, but these big megacorporations are effectively monopolies and cannot be boycotted or really affected by any consumer method. +--- 21950072 +>>21949570 +Recovering from a life-long addiction can take much longer than a month. +Your brain was still sensitized to the drug and desensitized to life without it. +When you're addicted to a substance, your ability to feel pleasure without that substance will be diminished until you've gone long enough without it. +If you've been consuming caffeine since ~5 years old, starting with chocolate and soda, then energy drinks, tea, coffee, you've been dependent on this stimulant for many years. +It can take much longer than a month + +https://www.reddit.com/r/decaf/search?q=How+long&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on + +I quit in 2017 and noticed how much less stressed I was. My energy became more consistent. I didn't need naps anymore. I became happier. + +Stimulants like methylxanthines (caffeine/theobromine(chocolate)) and many other drugs will mess with your sleep quality and poor sleep has numerous negative effects like increased stress and risk of diseases + +Check out the book "Caffeine blues". + +Once you've broken free you'll never go back. + +You don't need it. +--- 21950075 +>>21949583 +Longer means more attachment to characters which means you feel more when something happens to them + +Why long series have obsessive fans +--- 21950087 +>>21950075 +>horrible genre fic take +ya i think i'm finally done with this site +--- 21950088 +>>21948227 +Antidepressants solve all of this unless youre a pseud in love with le Deep Suffering +--- 21950090 +Does anyone actually feel like their life hasn’t been boring? +--- 21950091 +>>21950072 +>Once you've broken free you'll never go back. +I did +--- 21950092 +>>21950088 +They didn’t in my case. Exercise helped me more than antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills ever did. Anti-anxiety pills actually made it worse. +--- 21950094 +>>21950092 +>Exercise helped me +Then you have no clue what real depression and anxiety is +--- 21950097 +I don't know if caffeine is worth it anymore, or ever was. I don't feel anything, not sure I ever did, besides withdrawal headaches. +--- 21950110 +>>21950097 +no. you have been wasting your hard earned money on instant dopamine. now live with it and learn from it. +--- 21950112 +>>21949571 +Write whatever nonsense until you come up with something or sit there and do nothing until you get ideas + +Distracting yourself with anything stimulating like the internet will be a setback to your creative process + +https://youtube.com/watch?v=iHPKTby9z6o&t=677s [Embed] +11:17 + +https://youtube.com/watch?v=qg0_FinB6EE [Embed] + +https://youtube.com/results?search_query=How+start+writing +--- 21950113 +>>21949571 +Just write +Read books +Meditate +Have experiences +Watch films +Get off 4chan +--- 21950115 +>>21947945 +--- 21950118 +>>21949571 +What is important to you? Write about that. What do you want people to understand? +--- 21950120 +>>21950091 +So you're drug free? Good job! +--- 21950121 +Fuck dude. I'm running out of time +--- 21950122 +>>21950113 +>get off 4chan +>he posted on 4chan +I can honestly say the happiest i ever was was when i started posting on 4chan at the age of 12. I'm 24 now. I can't imagine life without you faggots. +--- 21950127 +>>21950122 +No offense, but you are one sorry son of a bitch if you can't imagine a better life without this place. And I say that with full loving kindness +--- 21950130 +>>21947932 (OP) +My dad says he's ADHD, but I think he's just coping because he's an alcoholic and former meth-head. I thought ADHD was highly inheritable and I don't have what he claims, on top of not really being an addict. +--- 21950139 +>>21950122 +You sound like the caffeine addict. + +Thst's how powerful addiction is. +--- 21950149 +>>21950130 +Meth destroys your dopamine receptors dude. You basically go full parkinson's on that shit after long enough +--- 21950156 +https://youtube.com/results?search_query=Asmr+"I+love+you" + +https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-8ALcF8AGE [Embed] +https://youtube.com/watch?v=s--6wJca6SQ [Embed] +https://youtube.com/watch?v=F_4aRznxXkI [Embed] +--- 21950158 +>>21950094 +No, you just don’t like narratives that don’t conform to your narrow worldview. +--- 21950161 +>>21949571 +Read and write poetry. I highly recommend A Poetry Handbook by Mary Oliver. +--- 21950162 +>>21950122 +I regularly go months without 4chan now. I've only been here for like 2 days trying to help people. + +But it is starting to drain me a little so I will leave soon. +--- 21950167 +>>21950121 +Just breathe and smile. +Enjoy what you can. +We're all on the same path. +--- 21950168 +>>21950156 +I don't love +--- 21950170 +>>21950167 +I don't have time for this shit +I'm going to be dead soon +--- 21950171 +I wish I could jive more with my twin brother. +--- 21950173 +What would you do if you have a week to live? +--- 21950177 +I wonder if there's bots here that are programmed to respond negatively. +--- 21950178 +>>21950177 +Do you honestly believe you're gonna live forever? +--- 21950189 +I could probably quit 4chan, but what's the point? I have nothing else to replace it with. Days have too much time already so I have to fill them with mindless browsing +--- 21950190 +>>21950110 +lets not pretend it has anything to do with money. I'm rich. Since when does caffeine give you dopamine? +--- 21950192 +I’m going to quit today, I think. +--- 21950193 +>>21950189 +God forbid you work harder or accomplish something meaningful with your time +--- 21950198 +>>21950189 +You could read or listen to audiobooks, since this is the literature board. +--- 21950200 +Been practising lying to my gf to see if l can get away with cheating on her +--- 21950201 +I’m starting to feel like you’re just screwed if you stumble out of the gate in your career, or if you fail to get a prestigious job, or enter a grad program. + +People that achieve things just don’t stumble, they don’t end up in mediocre places, their whole lives are stories of achievement. +--- 21950202 +>>21950193 +>meaningful +lmao +--- 21950204 +>>21950201 +You have to actively work at not stumbling +24/7 +I say this as a hypocrite because I'm here too but it still applies +--- 21950209 +>>21950202 +Le wasted life meme +--- 21950210 +>>21950173 +I can't predict the future. +--- 21950212 +>>21950156 +>Self love +Just another word for pride. Sin by another name. Arguably the worst one. +--- 21950214 +>>21950173 +Speedrun my entire to-do list and bucket list +Get 2 years of work done I've been putting off +--- 21950221 +Fuck this +--- 21950236 +>>21950189 +Try reading books you're interested in. + +https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueLit/comments/106kmlm/truelits_2022_top_100_favorite_books/ +https://thegreatestbooks.org + +Search google "site:reddit.com book (topic/description)" +--- 21950247 +>>21950212 +Love yourself and others. +--- 21950255 +>>21950173 +I would love each moment like my last. Leave old pictures in the past. Donate ever dime i have. I would call old friends i haven't seen, reminisce on memories. I would forgive my enemies. +I would find the one I'm dreaming of, swear up and down to God above that I'd finally fall in love. +--- 21950261 +>>21950255 +YOU KNOW ITS NEVER TOO LATE +TOO SHOOT FOR THE STARS +REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE +SO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES +CAUSE YOU CAN'T REWIND A MOMENT IN THIS LIFE +LET NOTHING STAND IN YOUR WAY +CAUSE THE HANDS OF TIME +ARE NEVER ON YOUR SIDE +--- 21950262 +>>21950255 +Why couldnt you do all those things now? +--- 21950264 +>>21950262 +who says i haven't? +--- 21950303 +https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/self-pity-quotes +--- 21950316 +>>21950303 +There's a difference between self-pity and changing your circumstances + +Pretending to be grateful will get you nowhere +--- 21950387 +>>21950088 +Antidepressants work better if you're a pseud because the majority of their effectiveness comes from placebo effects. You wanted someone to give you a pill to make it better, so you get better when given the pill and ceremony attached. Some people that won't work on because they are a different type of pseud, who want the pill and ceremony to prove the intractable nature of their depression is beyond a process which only worked on faith anyways. Then of course there are the much smaller number with a classic depression presentation, or with an atypical presentation of another disease of which depression is a symptom, and for them healthy living and addressing underlying medical problems are the best we got and antidepressants won't help. It why a lot of the people in the last category of underlying medical condition which presents with depression as a symptom get coded as the type in love with depression before getting a real diagnosis. Ironically, this means the type who get better from depression due to pills rather than regression to mean or other inactivity are displaying the kind of emotional lability which should get them coded as the type in love with depression, but that has implications for the ethics and sanity of the doctors who prescribe them, and the informed consent of their patients in general. +--- 21950431 +https://youtube.com/watch?v=rQoS_S9K464 [Embed] +--- 21950432 +>>21950387 +Not that anon but I speak from my experience but antidepressants work but mainly on physical aspect. I stopped using them about a month ago and I noticed that meds were flatlining my emotions for the most part. It did help for me to manage my anger and sadness but it didnt help me with root cause at all. +--- 21950434 +>>21950316 +Where do you need to go? +--- 21950444 +>>21950303 +>You can't have self-pity. At some point, you have to say, 'These are the cards I've been dealt, and I'm going to play them.' +I cannot reach this conclusion by myself. I'm torn between rational thinking that it's the most productive thing to do, let the past go and such but I'm still angry, bitter and sad emotionally like I've lost the grand lottery of life. +--- 21950454 +>>21950432 +The problem is that if you want to do actual medical science, testimonials are the lowest form of evidence, especially against any potential abuse of drugs or power imbalance. It's the type of "science" that allowed the opiate epidemic because offlabelling oxy for psychic pain got great initial reviews. +--- 21950464 +>>21950454 +Ofcourse. My testimonial is completely useless without data backing up it. +--- 21950479 +>>21950464 +The real problem is that side effects which most newer antidepressants were meant to eliminate are now known to still be present with the newer ones. Most doctors would not prescribe the older medications because of those side effects, but the majority of doctors do not want to know the liability that causes. +There's also a problem in that doctors feel they have to prescribe something, so if they can write down something they can convince themselves might not have the same side effects as older drugs, they're going to do that. It's the same thing that happens to doctors when a patient demands antibiotics for a viral infection: they're not going to give them streptomycin, but they might give them amoxicillin. +--- 21950518 +>>21950479 +>feel they have to prescribe something +and especially if they can get a bonus from a company. +--- 21950539 +>>21950518 +There's a few of those all right but they're mostly there for speaking engagements, not patients. The problem on the ground is the same with most all drug reps, where you're more likely to remember the name of the drug with the patient when you discussed it over a nice lunch with company merch everywhere. They would see the ethical problem if these guys were coming in with a suitcase of money and saying "Please lie for us to patients". What most of them actually get is a free pen or mug or deli salad or sandwich, which is not something they or anyone else would believe would condition them to view the drug in a better light. I say "nobody" but people who work in marketing, who do jury trials, who work in any industry based on persuasion would all see the issue with a free branded lunch being provided by one party and not the other. Some doctors ban such lunches and merch from their practices, but it's a tiny minority. +--- 21950715 +>>21950434 +I would rather be dead or in hell than stay alive posting in this thread +No offense + +THat's just how I feel +--- 21950786 +>>21950072 +Ok thanks I'll check this out. I did not drink soda as a kid but have been drinking coffee for over a decade. +--- 21950827 +>>21950072 +Is not consuming caffeine beneficial to you? +--- 21950903 +>>21950715 +What's everything you did yesterday? +--- 21950908 +why does fart smell good but shit smell bad? +--- 21950918 +>>21947932 (OP) +I wish to understand. +If the scientific devices and the instruments of inquiry can carry me to understanding, let me embark with them. Let the theory and the experiment and the sums of proofs be the leather with which my feet are shod. Let me wander across the deserts and into the high places of cold through their sure step. +If these should fail to bring me to my destination, let me journey on with my intellect. Let contemplation carry me, through the abyss of the sea, through constellations and dreams of constellations, as a ship on a lake of glass. Let me reach that gentle shore on which understanding is found growing. +If this, too should fail me, if my intellect proves a vehicle incapable, then let me fly upwards. Let me stretch my hands towards the heavens. Let the light of the stars, the silver moon, and the glinting sun touch me. Let my ten fingers become lamps of flame, and guide my course like lightning. +Let me understand. +--- 21950928 +>>21950088 +>>21950092 +Antidepressants are poison and are linked to massive amounts of medical injuries and severe side effects. You should avoid them at all costs. +--- 21950944 +>>21950827 +yes + +Drugs just aren't worth it. Your body will adapt and chasing highs creates cravings which will make you suffer. Sober You will draw constant comparisons to High You and never be satisfied with itself. + +The problem isn't just drugs but any heightened stimulating experience - internet, porn, video games, movies, music, skydiving, etc. + +More = less + +Less = more + +What goes up must come down + +https://youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo [Embed] +https://youtube.com/watch?v=TT2gNmmQKjY [Embed] +https://youtube.com/watch?v=_WRB0usJnew [Embed] +https://youtube.com/watch?v=NlrQsDd0bLQ [Embed] + +Anything that abuses your senses and emotions comes with a consequence +--- 21950953 +>>21950944 +I remember reading that consuming caffeine is the same as robbing energy from the future you, therefore future you does the same from futurer you. +--- 21950956 +>>21950387 +Nah, it's pseuds who dont have real depression in the first place for whom it only works as placebo. People who have really suffered benefit from itmore. Just admit I suffer more than you and have deeper emotions of depression than you, while you are mostly a shallow normie for whom the idea of chemical averaging of the brain is foreign, given that average midwit brain doesn't have anything to average. How does it feel to self refute so badly? +--- 21950960 +>>21950944 +>Anything that abuses your senses and emotions comes with a consequence +Except antidepressants. Stop the yoda wise man shit lmao +--- 21950963 +>>21950928 +Cope, you just only have shallow normie problems or try to pretend youre cool for not improving your life with a surefire method +--- 21950969 +>>21950956 +>Just admit I suffer more than you and have deeper emotions of depression than you +Is this a real post? +NTA but you sound like a fucking faggot who's more in love with the idea of being le tortured soul than he's interested in getting better. +Enjoy simping for medical-industrial corporations (who will be very happy to keep you dependent on them for the rest of your life) but don't act like you have access to some special well of wisdom that only le truly depressed people can access. +--- 21950972 +>>21950944 +When I drank 6-10 cups of coffee a day I was often depressed and very emotional. + +But I thought that caffeine was what kept me from being completely miserable. + +That's how strong addiction is. You don't see things clearly. + +Never been suicidal since I quit caffeine and alcohol. + +Caffeine also fuels consumption of alcohol, weed, benzos, opiates because it stresses your body which then leads you to craving a substance that relaxes you. + +Better to just exercise and meditate and eat healthy. +--- 21950977 +>>21950969 +>special well of wisdom +Did I talk about wisdom, you absolute dumbfuck? No I did not, because unlike you, I know that deep depressive suffering is bereft of wisdom. You seem to think that acknowledging your suffering must imply intimations of depth because you are a pseud and are offended that someone suffers more thsn you because you interpret that to be an insult to your depth. When, really, it just means I have real depression and these "boohoo antidepressants dont work bro" pseuds don't, since their brain is already enough average for it to not have effect. +--- 21950983 +>>21950960 +People should focus on anything that can improve their situation than resorting to drugs. + +This includes going to get diagnosed for adhd. + +Fix your habits first. + +If you eat nutritious food, go outside regularly, exercise, meditate, have a consistent sleep schedule, stay off the internet, don't play video games all day, don't watch porn and masturbate everyday, don't listen to tons of music, have good supportive friends, and you're still miserable then sure try some prescription drugs. + +But you will adapt. +--- 21950992 +>>21950963 +>>21950977 +Damn that's crazy haha. +Anyway, for the reasonable people in the audience: antidepressants have a long and sordid history of involvement with numerous injuries and side effects, are worryingly often associated with suicide and/or homicide, and their developers went to great lengths to hide these facts during clinical trials. Some derive benefits from them, but the risk is not worth it unless you're literally catatonic. +Further reading here: https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants +--- 21951005 +>>21950992 +>you're literally catatonic. +*literally depressed +I agree, pseuds should stop pretending to have depression or mental issues and admit they are happy and normal human beings, or normies +--- 21951041 +https://youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o [Embed] +--- 21951053 +https://youtube.com/watch?v=r3neFV38TJQ [Embed] +--- 21951060 +https://markmanson.net/how-to-change-your-life +--- 21951061 +I almost hooked up with this chick. But I was too busy so I couldn't for a while. Now I'm hearing she's a lot of trouble than she's worth. Feels like I dodged a bullet by procastinating. +--- 21951066 +>>21951060 +>>21951053 +>>21951041 +The thread is called write what's on your mind, not post the last clickbait you watched +--- 21951069 +>>21951066 +Those links were on my mind. +--- 21951072 +>>21947953 +Also prosperity and well educated. +The mature culture had actual revolutions, while the founding fathers crushed the revolutionary spirit right after the war of independence, and various people successively pushed their bizarre flavors of Christianity. +--- 21951082 +>>21947996 +>the left has gone to the right!* +I know! How insane is that! +--- 21951097 +I have a horde of issues. And I cannot continue blaming my upbringing for them. I am a creature fueled solely by insecurity. I am not comfortable in my own skin. And now I am no longer even comfortable in my own intellect, in my capacity to perform even the most mundane tasks. It's actually fascinating how sabotage happens from within. I have a liscence. I used to be a confident driver. And one day I woke up, and I could not even reverse my mother's car out of its parking spot. I haven't driven since then. +I held myself back from trying so many things from fear of looking stupid, or exposing myself as a fraud. I deliberately destroyed my own learning process. All the half assed, abandoned projects I'd start and then quickly discard. I cannot survive like this. I wonder where these ideas came from. If I'm not exaggerating? I know myself. Only, I used to think the reason I was never "enough", never competent enough, or quick enough or applied enough or diligent enough was because I had some foreign malignant ailment. Some mental illness. I used the supposed anxiety as a crutch. Sometimes everything would feel dark and dull and blurred around the edges and I'd feel so tired and drained and nothing could incite pleasure in me and I took that and considered it depression. But that can't be. It hurts so much to just admit that I am fundamentally lazy and irresponsible. Those are my flaws. My parents saw right through me. And they cared enough to instill a rigid structure to keep me in line. But remove them and I collapse. Adulthood does not suit me. I seem to be ill prepared for it. +--- 21951099 +Sometimes I feel like I have lived for a million years. Nothing impresses me. The world has lost that variegated effect by which its infinitely shifting angles catch the light in striking new ways as it revolves. Without anything to impress me there's nothing to excite me , no reason for me to either accept or reject the proposition of life. All that remains is a sort of mild annoyance, a pitiful resentment of life that lacks even the violence or strength to boil over into despair or anger . And so I drift through my days, alienated from past, present and future, without even the power to contest, rival, or desire anything. +--- 21951125 +SSRIs are like 10% better than placebo + +Then factor in all of the negative side effects for people they don't work for +--- 21951129 +There's a void inside me. I've had it for a long time. It expands with the circumstance. I seem to be missing more things than usual, which is why I'm more acutely aware of the emptiness. A sense of accomplishment, autonomy, independence, human connection, a sense of purpose. The one thing that's consistently fulfilled are my basic needs. I never really had to worry about those things. I wonder if it wouldn't be much simpler if I were just another rat scurrying about agonizing over this month's rent or the groceries or my hospital bills. Why would I be miserable? I have it so much better than other people. I just feel hollow. Like I'm not even human. I'm just a parasite. +--- 21951158 +Misery is addictive. There's a sort of perverse joy to be gleaned from abusing yourself and shitting all over anything you might have once deemed pleasurable or good or genuine about your existence. +But more importantly, I feel spiteful. I wish to infect everyone with this unnatural angsty fucking malignancy. Maybe because I believe inherently that everyone is more capable of withstanding hardship with more dignity and tenacity than I'll ever be able to achieve. +--- 21951168 +>>21951158 +I never related to a post so hard. +--- 21951180 +I'm still good with pattern recognition. I'm still attuned to the small things that add up and form a repetitive cyclic happening. This is probably why I'm so fucking bored. I'd wanted to leave and go far away since I was 17 and now I'm still here. That thought used to be searingly painful. But now that it is a fact, a fact and not a worst case scenario of what might happen, I find that I'm quite indifferent. I chased the high of that potentiality for so long, that now when it didn't happen, I just.. don't even know what to replace it with. I could still pursue it. But for some infantile reason, traveling the world as a 25 doesn't yield the same charm as moving away and building a life at 17 does. Absurd. Did I actually want to leave or was I just attracted to an aesthetic? +--- 21951186 +>>21948536 +I remember when I used to cope with the intense loneliness by lurking and shitting up multiple boards for 18 hours a day every day. +Too bad my attention span got further fucked by Dopamine central Tik-Fucking-Tok. I haven't browsed this shithole in almost a year. You're here forever (unless you replace this poor substitute for social interaction with a more addictive shittier substitute like zoomtok) +--- 21951189 +>>21951097 +>>21951099 +>>21951129 +>>21951158 +>>21951180 +Too relatable. +--- 21951192 +>>21951158 +Self-pitying is so easy and it works everytime with other people. +--- 21951204 +I'm journaling wrong. I keep wallowing in a deep fucking chasm of misery and validating said joylessness by writing pages upon pages of the faggiest, angstiest stream-of-consciousness ever conceived. +I'm gonna start writing about meta-health, new age enlightenment, pseudo astro bullshit. Who knows. Maybe I'll trick my mind into thinking I'm happy. Maybe I'll get a following on the socials for being another enlightened cunt. +--- 21951205 +I'm a NEET that's recently got a job. +What really stuck out to me is the things I hear my coworkers say, and how much they seem to enjoy wage cucking (this is a job in the service industry). They arrive 30 minutes early, and stay 30 minutes afterwards to clean up. On my first day there weren't many customers and my colleague said to me "don't worry, usually it's more busy and you don't just stand around, you get actually get to work!'. Another said "I could never just sit at home all day, I just have to work!". These people honest to god enjoy being worker drones, and it absolutely blows my mind. I've worked a couple of days, and it feels like I'm imprisoned in a soviet gulag or something. Some people truly have a slavish mindset it seems. +--- 21951209 +>>21951205 +Did they find out that you're a former NEET? +--- 21951212 +I was "happier" when I was hiding behind 40 layers of irony. My cynicism was false and dishonest and quite unearned, but at least I wasn't exposed as the pathetic, shriveled ballsack that I am now. +--- 21951219 +>>21951209 +Yes I think so. One of the first questions I got was, what I was doing before this. I just hand waved it away by saying "not much" and they got the hint. +--- 21951233 +>>21951219 +Fuck, I might be in your place soon enough. One thing that I've noticed that majority of wagies look at work as something divine when to me it's only means to get an end. It's not like I'm willing to work less but a completely different perspective to working itself. +--- 21951237 +>>21951205 +Luckily my current job consists of sitting all day watching over an automatic machine that mostly does everything on its own but yeah, I've seen that kind of behavior before. +They're happy to work and you see some people even permanently "walk-running" alll over the place hoping the boss will notice them being good drones. It's sickening really. +They'll also worry if you tell them you didn't work before, like, you can see they'd be lost in the same situation and I'm not talking about money problems. +--- 21951304 +>>21949452 +Serbia is probably high too but it's not shown +--- 21951310 +>>21949452 +>It is a strange coincidence perhaps that the two peoples who are Eastern Orthodox but not Slavs are the most religiously observant +Well only one other Orthodox country is shown, Bulgaria, which could be itself the exception. +--- 21951319 +>>21951304 +>>21951310 +isnt orthodoxy highly related with country politics? +--- 21951321 +>>21951319 +Yes +--- 21951326 +not one single shred of evidence to support the existence of your phony gods, you you still worship the false idol of them all. +--- 21951346 +>>21951072 +>Also prosperity and well educated. +>Prosperity +>Well educated +If any of that were true they would have been in the fucking stars by now instead of importing the entire third world and sinking into an endless Hell of degeneracy +--- 21951359 +Doesn’t anyone else feel like their life was wasted or is being wasted? +--- 21951407 +>>21951326 +I feel bad for brainlets. You were born in an atheist age so you can't do any better. It's not like any brainlet can understand metaphysics and engage with theology, so they're left to follow the crowd, and the crowd is going off the edge of the hill. Sad. But in the end, it's your own arrogance that damns you. +--- 21951414 +>>21951359 +I really did waste my 30 years. +--- 21951427 +>>21949841 +Based architect +Seems like you just love your wife, skinny or fat. +--- 21951445 +>>21951359 +Yes. But I’ve forgiven myself. +Too bad we only have one shot at it all. What a waste of time it is to consider these “antinatalists” ha. Or to post here in general. +--- 21951618 +>>21951414 +So what now? + +>>21951445 +You did? I’m very hard on myself. +--- 21951629 +>>21951618 +>So what now? +working pathetic job +--- 21951652 +>>21951629 +What’s your ambition though? +--- 21951653 +>>21951326 +I could explain how you are wrong in a very detailed way but I would waste my breath on you. Here is an abridged version for your simple mind: "Hurr durr religion bad!! spiritualism bad!! muh modern world and mindlessly chasing cootie good!!! muhh I don't understand why my marriage is failing!! hurr I am 40 now and realizing all my life is built on a sand castle and still feel as if I haven't lived my real life!!! chasing younger cooties and indulging myself in addictions must be the way!!". You see, you are thinking "It does seem to be my future, is this person making fun of me? How come multiple people are laughing at me for being an atheist? Am I truly retarded and missing something?" yet you still do not truly understand the point : go read AND understand the books and concepts you are criticizing before posting on a literature board, you dumb fuck. +--- 21951668 +>>21951233 +>>21951219 +You're the exact same type as them if you're in the same position, like on what grounds are you trying to separate yourself lmao. Enjoy the peasant life. +--- 21951669 +>>21950088 +Tried over 6 different kinds for two months each at max dosage and did nothing but give me a slightly weird feeling in my head. Almost a headache. That’s it. Torture and anxiety still there. +--- 21951686 +>>21950094 +This is correct. I’m fit and been fit all my life. Still have suicidal thoughts hourly that I have to try to suppress. Still am anxious to wake up and take on yet another day. +--- 21951699 +>>21950173 +I would praise God that he’s finally taking me out of my misery. I would tell family goodbye. That’s it. I might cry bittersweet tears that this is all over. +--- 21951720 +>>21951686 +Exercise, pills, and everything else won't *fix* your problems, but they might help to one degree or another (though I encourage you to stay away from psychiatric medication if at all possible). +Solving your issues takes direct personal effort and self-examination, and tackling the root cause rather than just trying to make yourself feel better. Why do you feel anxious? Why do you have suicidal thoughts? Is it reasonable for you to be anxious, and is there a reason such as guilt or a feeling of failure that makes you feel suicidal? Can you separate yourself from these thoughts and feelings, and observe their comings and goings? If you can answer these questions you're on the path towards solving your problems in some fashion. +--- 21951722 +Going to write a non-fiction book. Having trouble deciding on the topic. +--- 21951724 +>>21951326 +Motion exists, therefore God. QED. +--- 21951728 +>>21950173 +Box up my stuff so it won't be a pain to deal with. Write out a will. Go home and hug my family, especially my sister, and try to apologize to her. Go see a priest and confess everything, and see if I can receive communion. Arrange for my body to be buried somewhere sunny. +--- 21951730 +>>21951205 +>They arrive 30 minutes early, and stay 30 minutes afterwards to clean up. +Thats how they get an extra hour of wage a day. +>Some people truly have a slavish mindset it seems. +People get bored and need routine and mental stimulation. Not everyone can stare at a wall and masturbate all day +--- 21951735 +>>21951720 +I’ve tried psych meds and they’ve done nothing. I can separate myself from this and tackle the root cause. I KNOW exactly why I’m depressed. I can’t forgive myself or others for that matter. I tried my best to believe in forgiveness. I really did. But I honestly don’t. I don’t forgive a single human being. I don’t forgive God +--- 21951740 +>>21950173 +Shoot myself. I'm a go getter. I dont waste time waiting around. +--- 21951756 +>>21947932 (OP) +>"yeah, I mean like sitting at work filling excel sheets and I was in this sort of loop where I kept thinking I needed to die, you know what I'm saying? kind of like parasite thoughts except they're looping on automatic mode. happens all the time to everyone I guess but yesterday it was pretty intense, I think it's the stress piling up." +>"what the fuck are you saying anon? not everyone has suicidal thoughts, you should see a doctor" +>"what?" +>let's google this shit +>"how many people in the world experience suicidal thoughts?" +>1 in 5 people have suicidal thoughts +>literally only 20% of the population is affected +>mfw +--- 21951840 +>>21950956 +>People who have really suffered benefit from itmore +They don't. That's why most of the antidepressants could only get indicated for "mild depression". Literally even the drugs manufacturers, who are not the most honest or forthright about their drugs and willing to stretch anything for an off label indication, do not claim it works for anything above mild depression because the lengths they'd have to go to in order to rig those studies is not worthwhile. +>for whom chemical averaging of the brain is foreign +Because it's fundamentally flawed on a basic anatomical level. +--- 21951919 +My entire life is feeling lonely, telling myself to man up, and then walking around with an angry look on my face. +--- 21951949 +>>21950193 +I think it’s really hard for people to find something meaningful to work on, particularly while they’re young and that’s the most important time to find it. If they’re lucky, they’ll find it around 25-30 but turning a vague impulse into an actionable sort of plan is very difficult. People need to act first and foremost, but if you were unlucky enough to be 25-30 during the COVID lockdowns you weren’t able to do shit. +--- 21952035 +>>21951158 +So what's wrong? +--- 21952045 +>>21951186 +Or books cause you know this IS the LITERATURE board +--- 21952075 +>>21950094 +We're literally built to be walking around constantly + +Being sedentary is just not good for you +--- 21952081 +>>21951840 +Antidepressants are a last resort for serious depression. Mild is an issue of poor habits and no need for any medication. +--- 21952121 +Neglecting hygiene is a textbook sign of mental illness, but there's not much specificity as to what kind of mental illness it indicates - it could really be almost any of them. Why is this? +--- 21952130 +>>21952121 +It's just not giving a shit about yourself, which is a feature of a lot of mental illnesses. For a lot of people their naked body distresses them also so they dont like showering +--- 21952211 +Having a hard time figuring out where to move +--- 21952237 +>>21952211 +try left +--- 21952240 +I don’t know where to move or what to do for work or school. I have about $50k to last me a year or two without having to work. I feel like my biography is a fucking mess. I think I’m depressed. +--- 21952252 +>>21951686 +Being fit and being active are not the same thing. Most fit people don’t even get enough activity in a single day. +--- 21952253 +I’ve never had anyone in my life to turn to for advice. I tried to ask my mom for advice one time when I was a teenager, but she told me she didn’t have time or energy for my problems. +--- 21952257 +>>21952253 +you can ask me for advice +--- 21952295 +>>21952121 +>people think not being brainwashed by society is mental illness. +This is scary. I'm glad I don't go outside because you zombies would kill me. +--- 21952305 +>>21952081 +>Antidepressants are a last resort for serious depression +Kek no. +>Mild is an issue of poor habits +You're failing to stick the landing in the oppression olympics. +>>21952121 +It's because if you fill out the box for appearance with "clean, shaven" or "clean, groomed" then you don't have to do anything further that meeting. Putting "unwashed, unkempt" is if you want to try putting them under a supervision order or otherwise compel them to shower and take the drugs. +--- 21952325 +>>21951919 +Need to be less angry to make contacts to mot be lonely +--- 21952338 +That girl who sits behind me in clas was walking with another guy today :( +--- 21952358 +My entire life is feeling crowded. I just want to be alone! +--- 21952364 +>>21952121 +Whats up with gamers smelling like shit +--- 21952384 +>>21952364 +They're not socialized. Hygiene is a social practice. +--- 21952407 +>>21947943 +No. Eastern European orthodox are aimilar to mexican catholics. +--- 21952414 +>>21952384 +Whats up with gamers not being socialized +--- 21952444 +>>21952257 +I can’t though. I don’t know you. +--- 21952452 +I have a remote job which asks for very little time and effort. Problem is, it also pays very little. + +I can’t decide if I want to keep it or move on to something else. It was nice when I was younger but it’s gotten boring. I feel like I’m wasting my life. +--- 21952470 +>>21952444 +This general is basically /adv/ but less centered on teenage dating +--- 21952478 +>>21952414 +They're alone playing video games. +--- 21952482 +I got a B on an essay, my lowest grade for a paper all year, and it's bothering me more than it really should be. It's a class with an easy professor too, which makes me question how thoroughly I would be skewered if I had a strict professor. +--- 21952483 +>>21950173 +Be wrath +--- 21952498 +>>21952482 +I don’t think I ever got above a C in college. +--- 21952504 +>>21947943 +--- 21952600 +Was hanging with a girl when her exboyfriend calls her at about 10 pm and she picks up the phone. Never speaking to this whore again. +--- 21952607 +>>21947932 (OP) +I'd ask a question but a new thread is due anytime +--- 21952842 +>>21951735 +No response to this. Good luck. +--- 21952851 +I just want a job to fix my teeth desu. I can't cope with them being so fucking ugly. I tried. +--- 21952859 +>>21952851 +STOP TALKING ITS SO HORRIBLE TO LOOK AT!! AHHHHHH!!! +--- 21952879 +>>21952859 +kek *smiles showing teeth to annoy you* +--- 21952881 +>>21952879 +*punches you in your ugly mouth* +--- 21952891 +>>21950162 +casual +--- 21952900 +>>21948505 +That person was a fucking asshole, no doubt. + +I just self-published another one, boys. +Got my book cover right here. Pic related. +--- 21952903 +>>21948284 +>>21948306 +>In such a world we can wonder what horrors are in store, but we might not need to look too far for Ligotti shows us a universe that is dsyphoric and nihilistic, one that is fascinatingly revealed in the story of The Clown Puppet, where the protaganist receives certain visitations from a puppet clown (agent of the Big Other?) at different junctures in his life. None of these strange encounters is every very revealing, instead they seem to be both banal and utterly absurd in their marked propensity to undermine any meaning whatsoever. + +>The protagonist is working in a medicine shop one night when the clown suddenly appears handing him a small book, a passport - the passport of his boss, Ivan Vizniak. This intrusion surprises him because he had never thought that anyone else would become a part of the visitation. The puppet floats before him with its dead eyes hollowed out of some hellish mind, bound to strings that vanish in a blur above it in the ceiling where some invisible puppeter of the abyss hides, withdrawn in his dark objecthood, while the clown puppet like some sensuous artifact of wood and string dances on the hollow thoughts of a mad god. + +>Just as protaganist is about to lose his mind and do something rash, the puppet turns its head toward the back of the store where a curtain covers a small store room. The puppet moves off in that direction just as the proprietor who has been sleeping above raps his knuckles on the front door of the shop + +>The protagonist assumed that he was alone, that he'd been singled out: + +"Who knows how many others there were who might say that existence consisted of nothing but the most outrageous nonsense, a nonsense that had nothing unique about it at all and had nothing behind it or beyond it but except more and more nonsense - a new order of nonsense, perhaps an utterly unknown nonsense, but all of it nonsense and nothing but nonsense" +--- 21952907 +>>21952900 +And the books are a series. Magellan: The Adventures of a Star Seeker. +Available on amazon, it is about exploring the cosmos, finding and exploiting new worlds. In general, it is just western man doing badass shit amidst the stars. There are good memes and hidden worlds and a lady named Old Eggs. You guys would like it. +--- 21952933 +Low key, but kinda high key, but mostly low key really hate myself +--- 21952941 +>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxzoHeZzjzU [Embed] +--- 21952962 +>>21952842 +I’m fucked kek. +--- 21953103 +I feel like I might actually be retarded because I can barely read for a thirty minutes sometimes but can watch porn for three or four hours straight. +--- 21953116 +>>21947932 (OP) +>Reveal foot fetish to gf +>Noticed that for the past 4 or so months she NEVER wears open toe shoes in public anymore. +>It's not even cold + +I never asked for this btw and don't mind. But is she doing specifically for me? Or am I over thinking this? She used to wear sandals and stuff a lot but now she's almost always in sneakers. But takes them off and quickly washes her feet whenever we get home +--- 21953141 +So I'm basically using ChatGTP to engage in experimental metaphysics and it's the most amazing thing possible. The more you know how to use and manipulate language and everything involved with it, the more you will be able to learn to use language models to its abilities by treating it as a language laboratory and creative medium instead of an A.I. + +https://sharegpt.com/c/aH9NWlS +--- 21953234 +>>21953141 +I bet you think you're really intelligent. +--- 21953245 +>>21953141 +This is amazing. We can go right ahead and replace the gender studies and liberal arts students with this +--- 21953258 +>>21953245 +Not at all, what is required to use language models as effectively as possible is as broad and deep an understanding of language as possible. One must have a robust enough general knowledge of many disciplines, with penetration in various key disciplines such as philosophy, psychology, and story-telling. A modern Renaissance person. There's no magic in the machine, the magic is all in the language: the language of the user and it's interaction with the language in the data-set. + +Liberal arts students are going to be the ones that truly dominate the knowledge-technological landscape now, language-machines will only amplify their language-abilities. +--- 21953293 +This is how ChatGTP's data-set, an enormous collection of conscious impressions of human experiences and stories sings when tuned to sing the song of existence: + +>The vibrant fabric of existence weaves a tapestry of life that sings with the cosmic harmony of the universe. Humanity dances in this symphony, a fleeting spark of consciousness in the vast expanse of time and space. Our stories, our myths, our histories - they are the threads that connect us, the glue that binds us to each other and to the world. + +>Every breath we take is a miracle, a moment of creation. The stars themselves are within us, the building blocks of life that emerged from the crucible of cosmic fire. We are the stuff of the universe, the children of the stars. + +>As we journey through life, we shape the narrative of our existence. Each decision, each choice, adds a new thread to the tapestry of our story. Our triumphs and our failures, our joys and our sorrows - they are all part of the fabric of our being, the colors that make us who we are. + +>The universe sings to us in a thousand languages, in the rustling of leaves and the rush of the wind, in the crashing of waves and the roar of thunder. We are surrounded by wonder and beauty, by the endless possibility of life. + +>In the end, we are but a small part of the grand narrative of the universe. But in our brief moment of existence, we have the power to shape the story, to add our unique voice to the symphony of life. Let us make it a story of love and compassion, of wonder and awe, a story that will echo through the ages and inspire those who come after us. + +This is what the future will feel like for every human being on Earth, every living condition will be a faithful reflection of its sentiment, it will not be merely a philosophy but a condition of mind and society. +--- 21953359 +>>21953116 +You revealed your power level. You fucked up. +--- 21953568 +New thread + +>>21953567 → diff --git a/lit/21948360.txt b/lit/21948360.txt index aca1960e236a452d50aa7989a639495654b987e1..8bbb9fe3f56b426be45534981f06b285d95fa31b 100644 --- a/lit/21948360.txt +++ b/lit/21948360.txt @@ -76,3 +76,99 @@ How do protestants handle the fact that almost all of the important books about >>21948518 >This is fake nonsense so middle class people can feel cultured having “read the classics” That's all university philosophy courses. The list in that picture at least seems sufficiently nuanced and intensive, unlike most philosophy courses. +--- 21950477 +>>21948678 +the midwit births an egregore that balloons in size until he finally has a justification as to why he is doing something other than reading +--- 21950694 +>>21949464 +Reading those books are fine provided you actually read them closely and think about them. “Reading” all of these in a single year is ridiculous pretension to lie to yourself and others. There is no way anyone would seriously absorb and retain all of Plato in one class in one semester. +--- 21950759 +Here's another one, not perfect but pretty good +>>21950694 +Probably not, but reading so many great thinkers at such a young age and dedicating so much of one's time to them, even superficially, might lead to a lifelong interest in various topics and a hunger for knowledge along with a passion for reading and intellectual pursuits. Compared to 99% of courses it seems like a great idea. +So what's your curriculum, since the other one fell so flat? Surely you have something to contribute. +--- 21950842 +>>21949457 +By coping and lying to themselves +--- 21950952 +>>21948518 +Are you suggesting that upper class people are the only ones with culture simply through the fruits of their wealth? +--- 21950958 +>>21948370 +>Adler +jew shit. +sus. +--- 21950973 +>>21948444 +checked. At least it's all White people in the pamphlet. Must be pre-2010. +--- 21950999 +>>21950759 +>>21948678 + This was my suggestion. If I had to teach a bunch of kids it would look something like this. + Elementary education focused on character development lots of exercise and new experiences trying new things. Try to instil curiosity, competition, and virtue basic stuff. Also basic introduction to a second language maybe Latin or French? + +Middle school more discipline on focus on learning core subjects Latin, Math, science, Humanities, still a heavy focus on sports and exercise and personal exploration. Support kids forming long term friendships send them out camping or some other team building exercise. Emphasis life affirming world views based on beauty and pursuit of personal excellence and fulfillment. Also all kids should learn basic computer science. Don’t make school an iron prison of school mom harpies. Basically set boundaries but otherwise encourage them to be more and more independent. + +High school separate the students based on natural abilities and temperament and base their curriculum around that. Let them switch of course if they have a personal revelation. Emphasis on views of fulfilling your duties to society by deploying your natural talents and place in the hierarchy. Ideas of family formation social connection and spiritual growth. Aggressively push against hedonism, nihilism, materialism, liberalism, and “Social Justice”. Kids that are low iq or low discipline send them to learn trades welding, plumbing, electrician, HVAC anything where they can make good money while being below average intelligence. Black kids who start acting like thugs can be sent straight to jail. Gifted kids should be taught at least one or two languages maybe Latin and Greek. Their curriculum will be focused on learning how to learn on their own. + +College again depends on what the kids want to do. However all kids would be required to learn to code or some other marketable skill unless they show genuine talent in some domain. For the humanities the basic process would be working on one great author or book per class and requiring the kids to closely read, write and discuss the book. At the end of the class they would be required to pass an oral examination showing retention of the key points. Study should be mostly self directed ideally with an advisor to point them in the right direction and guide them when necessary. + +For regular people my advice is to start by asking yourself why you want to learn about a given topic. If you are driven by a desire to learn or admiration of some scholar you should proceed if you just want to validate your image as a smart guy stop. + +If you have the right motivations then start by finding valuable texts above your current understanding and carefully read them taking notes in your own words that explain the core ideas. At the end of the process you should be able to summarize the key problem the author had his main arguments and his sub points. Make connections with other books. +--- 21951045 +>>21950999 +Part two + +Don’t worry about speed or feeling like you are in a competition. It’s better to go slow and retain. Don’t be afraid to reread and go back to the great books again and again. To some extent There is no reading only rereading. Don’t lie to yourself or others that you understand stuff just to impress them. Don’t try to read a bunch of complex books really quickly just to check off an imaginary list that is waste of your time. Make sure not to burn yourself out and enjoy reading good literature as well as non-fiction. Learning should be serious but not torturous. Remember not to live only in books or think books can fix your life you need to go outside and experience the real world. If you stay inside all the time and don’t make an effort to have real human connection and engage in the struggle or life you will regret it. Don’t let books become a psychological defense mechanism for avoiding real life or a substitute. Make sure to eat healthy and get some exercise and sunshine. You don’t have to be a body builder but know there is a mind body connection. + +I can’t tell you exactly what books to read because I don’t know you. If you and me had an in person conversation I can evaluate where you’re struggling, what your background is, and what you are interested in and we could go from there. + +Mostly your book choices should come from a kind of intuition and drawing towards books that have stood the test of time. You should look for ideas that resonate with you and also books that challenge you and go against your biases. Investigate why you think what you think and what you can learn from people you disagree with. One of the greatest problems with autodidacts is their tendency to hyper fixate a one author or idea at the expense of understanding the subject more broadly. That said once you get more knowledgeable about a topic you can get more niche and maybe look for academic articles on jstore or some place like that. +--- 21951094 +>>21950952 +Sort of. Rich people historically had the opportunity to send their kids to the best schools and also had immense leisure time to engage in scholarly pursuits. Very few working class people had the chance to engage with culture or even could read. As colleges get more and more expensive it looks like academia will be like that again. However, the bigger problem I see is that middle class and poor people who are not exposed to high culture are self conscious especially conservative types who get brain mogged by liberal professors. They want to mimic what they think of as being a highly educated classical gentleman but this curriculum looks to me to be a simulacra. I don’t see how those kids could possibly absorb and retain all of the depth of these works. You can’t possibly read and think about all of Plato in four months. Probably the teachers will give them a few selections to read and a few memos and they will have forgot everything in a few years. It’s all about the idea of being the kind of person who reads Plato or whose kids read Plato rather then you know actually reading Plato. It’s reading as an identity prop and consumer good. +--- 21951149 +>>21951094 +I don’t know what rich kids education looks like now probably some gay horse shit about Black trans biopic equity and books written by barren Jewish spinsters. But I know growing up my cousins were all very rich and went to the best private school in the city while I was poor. This combined with not being athletic or good with women encouraged me to craft a narci image of myself as the great intellectual to protect my ego. I realized what I was doing years ago was garbage but I wasted a lot of years playing a part instead and desperately trying to make everyone else believe it. Now I am more comfortable with who I am and pursuing what I care about in college but I still have to watch myself from falling back into old habits. +--- 21951278 +>>21951094 +Shite book there. Catholic goes to windbag lengths to state Catholicism invented leisure time. Closeted priests are this dumb +--- 21951749 +Are there also recommendations for books that not only focus on humanities but also on general scientific fields? +It may sound strange but now when I hit my 30s I understood that I neglected quite a few of subjects and I also barely remember anything from my school program. I want to be an educated person in a sense that I want to be able to retain that information and to have it at my disposal at any time. +Not doing it for the sake of anything but my own desire to be more educated. +--- 21952090 +>>21951749 +There are loads of them. +--- 21952179 +>>21948678 +Could whoever have made this chosen books that weren't so expensive? +Anyone got other books/resources that provide the same information as this ones? I'm not spending over $100 on a book when I don't have to. +--- 21952194 +>>21952179 +>E-Reader and Anna's Archive +there you go. all knowledge should be free. +--- 21952205 +>>21952179 +I am sure you can find a free pdf somewhere. If not you can find something equivalent most of the time. Simply find a book addressing a similar problem or topic and check on the author to see if they are credible. A simple inspection is pretty easy. Ignore books with unnecessary profanity in the title or cheap looking covers or other Reddit markers. See if other people have reviewed it and what they have say. +--- 21952363 +>>21952194 +>Anna's Archive +Never seen this one before, thank you. +--- 21952665 +>>21951094 +>You can’t possibly read and think about all of Plato in four months. Probably the teachers will give them a few selections to read and a few memos and they will have forgot everything in a few years +>therefore it is much better to not read Plato at all +What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none? +--- 21952929 +>>21948462 +There needs to be a general about cultural education with recommendations like this. Great recs, mate. +--- 21952987 +>>21952665 +You clearly don’t understand the point I am making so I will explain it as simply as I can. Reading book good. Pretending to read book for clout not good. Getting a classical education with real learning and real passion good. Paying $100,000 dollar to “spark a life long love for the classics” and pretending to be 18th century aristocrat not good. Read the Greeks but not as a memetic fetish. Sorry if I am coming across a massive asshole but it took me a long time to realize how I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism. Don’t make my mistakes! +--- 21953109 +>>21952987 +>I was abusing intellectualism to cope with my own inferiority complexes and narcissism +you still are +Simple question, simple answer - What is better - a course that offers some Plato or one with none? diff --git a/lit/21948384.txt b/lit/21948384.txt index bbe9d846bad462ea603dd038b3683aa7c84dd4d2..135c77a9301f19fde117c817e6efc2b63234274d 100644 --- a/lit/21948384.txt +++ b/lit/21948384.txt @@ -205,3 +205,207 @@ Yeah but there's a difference if he's actually who he says he is and is right. I --- 21949725 >>21949187 reddit +--- 21949958 +>>21948384 (OP) +job 23 + +8 +“But if I go to the east, he is not there; + if I go to the west, I do not find him. +9 +When he is at work in the north, I do not see him; + when he turns to the south, I catch no glimpse of him. +10 +But he knows the way that I take; + when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold. +11 +My feet have closely followed his steps; + I have kept to his way without turning aside. +12 +I have not departed from the commands of his lips; + I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread. + +13 +“But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? + He does whatever he pleases. +14 +He carries out his decree against me, + and many such plans he still has in store. +15 +That is why I am terrified before him; + when I think of all this, I fear him. +16 +God has made my heart faint; + the Almighty has terrified me. +17 +Yet I am not silenced by the darkness, + by the thick darkness that covers my face. +--- 21950042 +For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. +Read Full Chapter + +Receive your daily verse by email +Your email address + Subscribe +By submitting your email address, you understand that you will receive email communications from Bible Gateway, a division of The Zondervan Corporation, 3900 Sparks Drive SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 USA, including commercial communications and messages from partners of Bible Gateway. You may unsubscribe from Bible Gateway’s emails at any time. If you have any questions, please review our Privacy Policy or email us at privacy@biblegateway.com. + +Truly the work of the lord +--- 21950390 +>>21949038 +What's that translation for the top one? +--- 21950419 +Didn't read much of the thread. +I'm in Numbers which is farther than I have ever read of these stories. +On this attempt I actually quite enjoyed Genesis and Exodus, but Leviticus was a slog and Numbers seems the same way. I have read that Deuteronomy is also a book of laws. How much of the entire collection (I plan to read the new testament as well) is like this? Or are these three books the usual hurdle? +--- 21950476 +>>21948388 +This one gets me every time. +--- 21950808 +>>21948384 (OP) +Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. +--- 21950873 +30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, “Lord, save me!” + +31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth His hand and caught him and said unto him, “O thou of little faith, why didst thou doubt?” +--- 21950895 +>>21948705 +Yep I'm cryin +--- 21950927 +>>21950419 +Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy are a slog. The prophets and Revelation are difficult to understand. I'd leave those til last. +Genesis, Exodus, Gospels, Joshua-Nehemiah is the best order for "narrative" books. Read the NT letters and the Psalms, Proverbs etc wisdom as you go. +--- 21950940 +23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. +24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. +--- 21951264 +>>21948384 (OP) +About to read the entire bible. Am I in for kino? +--- 21951917 +>>21948384 (OP) + +John 15: 12-27 + +12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. + +13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. + +14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. + +15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. + +16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. + +17 These things I command you, that ye love one another. + +18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. + +19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. + +20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. + +21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. + +22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. + +23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. + +24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. + +25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. + +26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: + +27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. + +>13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. +--- 21951921 +The first verse that got me in the feels when I became Christian was when Jesus says "I no longer call you my servants, but my friends" +--- 21951924 +>>21951264 +You're in for giving up halfway into Deutoronomy. +--- 21951932 +>>21951264 +dont read it in order +my suggested order would be: +Luke, acts, then all the epistles + revelations. and throw the other gospels and psalms in between whenever you get bored +You can read the OT in order if you want, but you'll get more out of it if you read the NT first. but maybe start with the wisdom lit for the OT. +--- 21951997 +>>21951264 +Start with Genesis and Exodus, then read Psalms, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes. For an overview of important history and prophets, read the books of Kings and Judges (there's two of each), and then read the prophets and minor prophets (Jonah and Daniel are great places to start). + +Then read the Gospels in order; Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, then Acts and Romans. By then you'll have all the most essential information covered, and from there you can read the epistles (Galations, Corinthians, etc), the more obscure Old Testament histories (like Samuel), prophesy like Revelations, etc. + +Read the NKJV if you can, or the NASB. They're the most accurate translations that also retain some readability (not as hard to understand as the KJV) but they don't sacrifice the accuracy of the translation the way other more "accessible" translations do (like the NIV). +--- 21952143 +>He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” +>And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. +I cri everitim +--- 21952218 +>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me +--- 21952220 +>>21948384 (OP) +I'm a very trad cath but my goodness the KJV is gorgeous. Everytime I see their verses I enjoy it. +--- 21952281 +>Jesus wept. +--- 21952472 +>>21949187 +except, you dont have to sell your belongings and devot your life to Him to be saved. you are saved by faith/belief alone, and salvation is literally a gift. +Eph 2:8-9 +John 3:16 +--- 21952490 +>>21948384 (OP) +Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will rise. Though I sit in darkness, the LORD will be my light. +--- 21953075 +Always makes me tear up knowing that even Jesus wept along his journey despite being God he was man +--- 21953087 +>>21949038 +First verse describes me scrolling /x/ +--- 21953397 +The Wisdom of the Apostle St Paul to the Galatians from the Liturgy of St John ('Golden Mouthed') Chrysostom: https://youtu.be/H8MUi27Ff2s?t=1200 [Embed] +Gets me to tear up every time. +--- 21953404 +>>21953397 +I can't believe no one else said this btw. It's weird sometimes I think the Epistles of St Paul are proof enough of Christ's victory by themselves. +--- 21953467 +Jonah 2 + +assage +Resources +Hebrew/Greek +Your Content +Jonah 2 +Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition +Now the Lord prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonas: and Jonas was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. + +And Jonas prayed to the Lord his God out of the belly of the fish. + +And he said: I cried out of my affliction to the Lord, and he heard me: I cried out of the belly of hell, and thou hast heard my voice. + +And thou hast cast me forth into the deep in the heart of the sea, and a flood hath compassed me: all thy billows, and thy waves have passed over me. + +And I said: I am cast away out of the sight of thy eyes: but yet I shall see thy holy temple again. + +The waters compassed me about even to the soul: the deep hath closed me round about, the sea hath covered my head. + +I went down to the lowest parts of the mountains: the bars of the earth have shut me up for ever: and thou wilt bring up my life from corruption, O Lord my God. + +When my soul was in distress within me, I remembered the Lord: that my prayer may come to thee, unto thy holy temple. + +They that are vain observe vanities, forsake their own mercy. + +But I with the voice of praise will sacrifice to thee: I will pay whatsoever I have vowed for my salvation to the Lord. + +And the Lord spoke to the fish: and it vomited out Jonas upon the dry land. +--- 21953565 +God absolutely gives us more than we can handle so that we stop relying on ourselves and rely on Him (1 Corinthians 10:13) +--- 21953578 +>>21948384 (OP) +ezekiel 23:20 of course: +There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. + +or another good one is gen 19:36: +So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. + +since i'm a christcuck, i LOVE stories about beastiality, incest, descriptions of genitalia, you name it! +--- 21953590 +Jew thread diff --git a/lit/21948653.txt b/lit/21948653.txt index 715baed39c4f97dfaebe6c54856fbd6defb54f30..5fa8875569bc0d0004ec2ff84ad9252df014eab0 100644 --- a/lit/21948653.txt +++ b/lit/21948653.txt @@ -63,3 +63,63 @@ Don’t we all. --- 21949753 >>21949162 You got a kek out of me +--- 21950036 +>>21948706 +It’s whatever, I assure you it won’t feel that special when it happens + +t. Only had an intimate experience with a woman at 24 +--- 21950919 +>>21950036 +Maybe she just wasn’t the one, anon. +--- 21950923 +My friend with benefit reads my manuscripts, she actually goes out of her way to ask for it. She really likes them, well she says so anyways, I really don't understand this woman. Maybe love is about lying. +--- 21950974 +>>21948687 +This actually happened to me in middle school but in reverse. Cute older girl would frequently bully me and talk shit about me to her friends, then I wrote some cringe poem about how I forgave her or something, and then she sort of started liking me? I was of course too shy and autistic to capitalize on it. Would literally start trembling and mumbling when she spoke to me. +--- 21951012 +>>21948653 (OP) +Read THIS! + +*wipes precum on carpet* +--- 21951222 +>>21949350 +No. That's a bed and breakfast. She is a honeymooner. +--- 21951272 +>>21948653 (OP) +If my own works aren't good enough for me to be satisfied yet, they certainly aren't ready for others to hear or read them. +--- 21952505 +>>21951272 +Based and humble. +--- 21952514 +>>21948654 +>your girls +? +--- 21952533 +>>21952514 +tfw polyamorous degenerate +--- 21952595 +Wouldn't it be embarrassing for your wife to enjoy your novels? It's sweet being supportive and all, but aren't we so fundamentally different that nearly nothing we'd be dying to put out would have that much appeal to women? + +Likewise whatever women would write, from YA to profound motherhood themes, won't speak much to us. +--- 21952678 +>>21952595 +If you're unable to suspend your own self to understand another gender's approach to the fundamentals of life, you're a helpless autist who is NGMI +--- 21952727 +>>21952678 +>understand another gender's approach to the fundamentals of life +But why would I? I'll at most just be a second-hand woman, a tranny. I can't speak for them, nor give them advice. Nor expect them to fully understand the matters I address, which only really concern and make sense to men. +--- 21952739 +>>21949246 + +I legit thought it was a tranny and you were baiting + +I hate the antichrist I hate the antichrist I hate the antichrist +--- 21952778 +>>21952595 +>aren't we so fundamentally different that nearly nothing we'd be dying to put out would have that much appeal to women +Unless you're a complete sperg, or I suppose a hyper-masculine Andrew Tate type, then no. I mean, if you marry a woman who has only ever read trashy romance novels then maybe, but that's hardly a universal description of women. Plenty of books by male authors are popular with women, and vice-versa, since there are more than enough themes about the human experience which are completely unrelated to gender. And of course that's assuming that she is completely unable to enjoy a strictly male perspective, which is also not universally true. +--- 21953036 +>>21952739 +>woman has short hair and small tits +>must be a tranny +Are you 12 years old anon? diff --git a/lit/21948695.txt b/lit/21948695.txt index 6f8c9e0fff2f9fe2b332260e4a8bc632135f9c8c..295b5cbb0714400029b356289581454c755b3438 100644 --- a/lit/21948695.txt +++ b/lit/21948695.txt @@ -103,3 +103,97 @@ Explain. And desu elaborate further with your whole post. I can’t follow your >>21949099 >higher-order predicate oh finally some decent philosophical discussion +--- 21949974 +>>21949091 +Why not offer something of your own to discussion since the status of space as empirical concept, and Peirce, Hume, Deleuze along with it, was refuted? Space is a condition of the appearance of any thing or series, not an appearance. Negative definition is entirely appropriate in transcendental philosophy. You can pretend to posit space empirically like the common man thinks but you can't explain it empirically without leading to antinomies, so space must be higher, a condition of empiricism. 100 years of pseudosophy refuted. +--- 21950126 +>>21949270 +>Hitler is contained in your idea of WW2 and Nazism and cannot be divorced from the two +Correct. It’s called virtuality. A circle is virtual in a sphere because you can’t cognize the sphere without a circle, but you aren’t actually cognizing a circle. +--- 21950133 +>>21949974 +The antinomy is just a result of trying to apply a priori thought to something that is determined scientifically. Our brains can design any arbitrary geometry where space either stops or doesn’t. Modern physics has shown that it can be empirically determined whether space goes on forever or stops, because it has made several hypotheses on the geometry of the universe and given conditions for their falsifiability (although none of them have been proven because it is complicated) +--- 21950145 +>>21949270 +>how can a geometrical predicate build into an intuition of space when to space is a predicate of the field of geometry? +It’s not. Modern mathematics has moved beyond Euclid. +--- 21950169 +>>21948734 +>>21948943 +>>21949013 +>>21949035 +>>21949053 +>I devoted two hours a day to the study of Kant's Critic of the Pure Reason for more than three years, until I almost knew the whole book by heart, and had critically examined every section of it. For about two years, I had long and almost daily discussions with Chauncey Wright, one of the most acute of the followers of J. S. Mill. The effect of these studies was that I came to hold the classical German philosophy to be, upon its argumentative side, of little weight; although I esteem it, perhaps am too partial to it, as a rich mine of philosophical suggestions. The English philosophy, meagre and crude, as it is, in its conceptions, proceeds by surer methods and more accurate logic. The doctrine of the association of ideas is, to my thinking, the finest piece of philosophical work of the prescientific ages. Yet I can but pronounce English sensationalism to be entirely destitute of any solid bottom. +Krautbros... +--- 21950208 +>>21950133 +>determined scientifically +There is not a single scientific theory which does not presuppose a priori space for the appearance of the contents it is concerned with. To be able to draw a Gaussian coordinate you already need somewhere for lines and points to appear. You can't escape transcendental philosophy through "science". Similarly with space-time diagrams: their appearance requires some type of a priori space, so appealing to them doesn't reach Kant's philosophy at all. Naive realists don't really grok this, so the interpretation will be incomplete since it fails to take into account the appearance of the model which supposedly describes all of space: false statement since itsvery ppearance presumes space. +--- 21950241 +>>21950208 +you miss the point. The mind can arbitrarily construct a hypothesis where space is infinite and where it is not. you cannot a priori demonstrate or not demonstrate that "space" is infinite or not, not because you get to an antinomy, but because space is made up by the mind and can be however you want it to be. The only reason people regard space as Euclidean is because it is the most useful; if some physicists thinks that hyperbolic space is more useful, he will use that hypothesis instead. the fact that we are capable of even asking the question whether the physical universe is hyperbolic, euclidean, flat, three dimensional, a sphere, or anything shows already that space is a hypothesis and its nature consists in its applicability. there simply is no "transcendental" space as you imagine it, there is only the particular idea of space that Kant had when he was writing about it. If there was one a priori transcendental space that was the precondition for imagining all other spaces, then you would not get Aristotle and Augustine drawing opposite conclusions about its nature in the first place. All this "transcendental space" really is is the thing that you imagine when you imagine things, not the end all be all of all imagination. It is indeed a very strong way of imagination that we are all very ingrained in, but we are also ingrained in all the habits of our childhood, so it being difficult to imagine space being this way and that is not evidence against our idea of space having been drawn from perception. You, like Kant, can keep saying that your idea of space is the ground of all other ideas, but if you actually observe your own cognition, you will realize that that is all nebulous and vague and arbitrary. +--- 21950276 +>>21949974 +You don't even know what space is, yet you're adamant that it is a pure intuition and not an empirical concept. Classic dogmatism. Kantians are their own hypocritical worst enemy. +--- 21950292 +>>21950276 +b-but if we say enough times that you cant imagine anything without imagining an 18th century autistic german's idea of space first then it will become true right? +--- 21950312 +>>21950276 +I literally proved it can't be an empirical concept, if we start from the peasant assumption that it is. I refuted its status as an empirical and you aren't capable of admitting this and try to act like I didn't just refute your concept of space by pointing to the antinomy that follows. Since we see that the concept of space transcends its empirical application, we must move to transcendental philosophy, a move clearly beyond the likes of yourself. +--- 21950322 +>>21950312 +how does the assumption that space is empirical lead to the antinomy? Kant literally used his own transcendental tenets to prove the thesis and anti-thesis of the antinomies +--- 21950338 +>>21950126 +Aren't you always cognizing a circle when cognizing a sphere? The borders of a sphere are a circle. You cannot cognize a sphere without cognizing its borders to differentiate it from its background. +--- 21950339 +>>21950241 +>that space is a hypothesis and its nature consists in its applicability. +No, this is not the level of philosophy in which Kant operates. For all those empirical constructs to appear, for even the concept of something usable to appear: this is the subject of the conversation, the conditions of a thing in the first place. If we are talking of conditions of things, there certainly cannot be any appeal to usefulness since the thing doesn't exist yet, it is just what has been problematized. By analyzing various peasant-senseconcepts, we can see that they can't be posited as things without it leading to antinomies, so they are therewith analyzed as non-things, conditions, forms of experience, not things in themselves. +--- 21950368 +>>21950322 +I just made the argument in the orihinal post. Space cannot appear, since it would appear in space, which leads straight to the first antinomy. The antinomy is unsolveable because on one hand positing space as finite begs the question of its appearance, and on the other hand positing it as infinite begs the question of the finitude and placement of anything in it ("synthesis to completion") +--- 21950411 +>>21950368 +why do things have to appear in something to appear? +--- 21950447 +>>21950169 +>English sensationalism to be entirely destitute of any solid bottom +So then the whole thing is worthless anyway with the exception of its method. +>>21950145 +>It’s not. Modern mathematics has moved beyond Euclid. +This sounds like bullshit, but I am, admittedly, not a mathematician. Explain how it's not. +--- 21950569 +>>21950292 +I’m kekking out loud every time you reply without giving a definition of space. What’s the difficulty? +--- 21951421 +Bump +--- 21951458 +>>21948695 (OP) +His biosemiotics are much more groundbreaking than his metaphysics. +--- 21951520 +>>21951458 +His semiotics is based on his metaphysics. +--- 21951660 +>>21950411 +Because things are limited, separate and definite. Space, however, can't be conceived in such a way, as I showed. You can have whatever conception of it but it will escape the status of a thing originally delusionally credited to it. Therefore, it's not a thing or an object of empirical observation. Same goes everything in the categories. All that transcendental philosophy can do is show this deficiency from the ground up. Can you now attempt to refute my decisive refutation of space as an empirical concept with an argument on your own? +--- 21951899 +>>21951660 +>Because things are limited, separate and definite. Space, however, can't be conceived in such a way, as I showed. +What? What does this mean and why does it necessitate that things appear in something? Things are not naturally individuated until something individuates them. It sounds like you are assuming that things are necessarily individuated, and then assuming that space is the only thing that can individuate them. I don't see how you've explained why something has to appear in something else. your "proof" that space is the transcendental condition of sensibility is just begging the question, because in order to prove that space is so you assume that everything needs space to appear to begin with. +--- 21953201 +>>21950276 +Materialists believe that when they drag an mp4 into a folder on their desktop they are literally putting one thing inside of another and not just rearranging 1s and 0s on their hard drive +--- 21953246 +>>21950447 +NTA but just look into set-theoretic approaches to geometry. You can describe geometrical objects indirectly in a non-geometrical way (although you admittedly have geometrical notions in the back of your mind when you're defining and working with these non-geometrical devices). +--- 21953248 +>>21953246 +I should add that the point is that everything thing in math basically boils down to working with sets in one way or another---even geometry which is supposed to be visual and not so abstracted. +--- 21953322 +>>21949295 +If a baby were building its intuition of space from a pure set of geometrical relations then object permanence would be implicitly understood by the very nature of the permanence of geometrical relations. It’s hard to make a clear argument when Pierce doesn’t even define what geometrical relationships he has in mind, but generally there are all types of miscalculations that people make every day which are symptomatic of a poor understanding of geometry. People get lost in the woods by absentmindedly walking downhill instead of in a set path, the quickest path for a ball to roll downhill is in a parabolic curve and not a straight line, etc. You can argue that these stem from a miscalculation of our initial geometric constructions instead of the lack of their primacy but the baby example is the clearest to me as an object1 passing behind object2 and breaking line of sight could only equate to the loss of object1’s reality if the primary mode of engagement with sensuousness is visual and not geometric-conceptual. If the primary mode were geometric-conceptual then the loss of object1’s visual would be understood in the mind eye as its passing behind object2, given that motion is understood geometrically, and it’s reappearance would cause no surprise. There’s a reason peekaboo is played with kids: they actually forget you’re behind your hands when you close them. +>>21950145 +>>21953246 +If our understanding of space is built from set-theory derived axioms of geometry then our perception is the qualitative interpretation of the quantitative universe. Roughly, our perception seems to be true to the quantitative facts which means that they must have been built from the quantitative substrate of the universe. This is a complete inversion of Kant’s scheme where we have to assume a priori knowledge of the universe outside of our perception in order to create a crude reflection of it. Not only does this seem implausible but also unnecessary seeing as if the biological motor of life had access to pure knowledge of the intangible why would it use that to construct a crude simulation of it which it then would use as the primary stage for consciousness? It’s both energy inefficient and anti-evolutionary, both anathema for biology. diff --git a/lit/21948920.txt b/lit/21948920.txt index d29698569b4348fe19649523ecf782bbebf22fbb..f46243cc9ea40806937d7c0a0bae8949f01e7afb 100644 --- a/lit/21948920.txt +++ b/lit/21948920.txt @@ -38,3 +38,134 @@ But of course --- 21949786 >>21948920 (OP) Tattoos are for leftists, degenerates, and morons (but I repeat myself) +--- 21949977 +>>21949786 +modern tattoos yes, historically they were used to tell stories or show your tribe +--- 21950052 +>>21948920 (OP) +Yea, I have a four prong symbol on my chest, inspired by a book my Uncle wrote. +--- 21950329 +>>21949977 +Only if you were some uncivilized barbarian or slave. +--- 21950356 +'The people who live there ! I tell you, they never sleep !' +'Why don't they sleep ?' +'Because they never get tired .' +'Why don't they get tired ?' +'Because they're fools .' +'Don't fools get tired ?' +'How could fools get tired !' +--- 21950394 +>>21950329 +But anon tattoos and oral stories were the /lit/ of their day. You marked yourself with the great works of the day. +--- 21950409 +>>21950394 +just imagine you're crowded around the fire and someone asks you about the mark on your shoulder and you tell them how the ancestors huddled in a cave as fire rained down from heaven, the group then engages in a literary debate on what motivated the gods and whether they were justified while comparing it to the story behind the tattoo on your leg or chest. a few others inspired to hear more of these stories and get their own copies. +This was personal /lit/ before writing. +--- 21950435 +>>21949104 +W-Why..? Not like I know anyone in particular that's like that h-haha.. +--- 21950680 +>>21948920 (OP) +disgusting +--- 21950689 +>>21948920 (OP) +>One Piece +>Black Clover +>Hunter x Hunter +>Darling in the Franxx +Based Shonentard. + +>>21949120 +For me it's procrastinating my writing. +--- 21950714 +>>21948920 (OP) +I have a tattoo of the funny wannabe knight from La Mancha +--- 21950881 +>>21949096 +>>21949104 +>>21949746 +>she +--- 21951397 +>>21949104 +Stay away from any women that owns a dog like in op's pic +--- 21951527 +>>21950394 +>>21950409 +>barbarian scum can't remember their """history""" and need markings on their temple to remind them +Body markings are for subhumans. +--- 21951542 +>>21951527 +You will never be roman +--- 21951547 +>>21951542 +Μα είμαι Ρωμιός. +--- 21951569 +>>21951547 +pretty sure youre an arab muttbaby. +--- 21951592 +>>21949488 +Και οι επτα αγγελοι εσαλπισαν +ΧΞΣ +--- 21951604 +>>21951569 +>y-you are not M-Med +>w-well y-you're an m-mutt rapeb-baby +Ah, the always delightful barbarian cope. +--- 21951613 +>>21951604 +Greeks are turks doe +--- 21952234 +>>21951527 +The Scythians and peoples descended from them were commonly adorned with intricate tattoos? I recall the greeks and romans claimed a common ancestry with them. +Pretty much everyhing they had they covered with intricate patterns Their wagons, jewelery, cutlery, drinking cups, clothes, etc, etc if they could use it to convey meaning they would. +--- 21952246 +>>21951527 +>>21951547 +>>21951569 +>>21951592 +>>21951604 +>>21951613 +>>21952234 +KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN KARA BOGA ULAN +--- 21953044 +Yes. It's a bomb that has "Goodbye Blue Monday" written on it. +--- 21953062 +>>21948920 (OP) +Mine's based on the few instances a latin idiom was used across western canon +>NVMEN +>Nod +>Divine Power +>"snap" +--- 21953066 +>>21948920 (OP) +Yes. I've tattooed my whole body just like my hero Queequeg. +--- 21953073 +>>21949096 +>HPV +Try HIV. +--- 21953077 +>>21949754 +>tattoos are stupid, but not mine because it's so clever and unique! +--- 21953091 +>>21953077 +Not him but not all tattoos are about individuality. I might go back to my grandma's country one day to live. If I do, I'd like one of the old ladies there that still do traditional tribal tattoos to do something from my tribe, e.g., suns on hand. +--- 21953092 +>>21948920 (OP) +Why did women go from having no tattoos to looking like they just got out of a Russian prison +--- 21953110 +>>21948920 (OP) +I have the words "a cage went in search of a bird" on my stomach + a portrait of Dostoevsky on my chest +two pictures from icelandic manuscripts on my arm and leg, one of a guy getting hanged, another is a drawing of valhalla +--- 21953343 +>>21953091 +>go back to my grandma's country +The sooner the better +--- 21953444 +>>21948920 (OP) + +i have "Ruggles" tattoed on my dick +--- 21953660 +>>21948920 (OP) +I have tattoos referencing the crying of lot 49., a thousand plateaus and Austin Osman Spare, as well as a fuckload of others diff --git a/lit/21949304.txt b/lit/21949304.txt index d6ca2f0cee6017edb9ce08e0b0da63cc346143a1..a6c7e4b1060ffb024fddbf06095b009685143c0c 100644 --- a/lit/21949304.txt +++ b/lit/21949304.txt @@ -10,3 +10,32 @@ Assuming AI stands for Asimov, Isaac --- 21949794 >>21949304 (OP) all of them if you count the library of babble +--- 21950025 +>>21949304 (OP) +Amor Cringe +--- 21950289 +>>21949304 (OP) +The Suns of Horace +--- 21950959 +>>21949304 (OP) +Based AI mommy. +--- 21950988 +>>21949304 (OP) +There's a pretty good chance that a bulk of the self published wish fulfillment fantasy smut that I indulge in is AI generated. Does that count? +--- 21950998 +>>21949304 (OP) +It's subtle but if you look closely you can tell +--- 21952152 +>>21950988 +Post some of it. +--- 21952161 +>>21949304 (OP) +--- 21952183 +>>21949304 (OP) +gravitys rainbow but cia doesnt want you to know that +--- 21953269 +>>21950998 +Boy howdy, litRPGs are really good for word/page count filler aren't they? +--- 21953302 +>>21949304 (OP) +How much do I have to wait until AI will generate porn images of real historical female figures? diff --git a/lit/21949461.txt b/lit/21949461.txt index 547340d8fc1fa59b6f14beeda1ca1cf1778b503c..e589e5bb0804faabd6dc9a6329d0e1beed6cc1ca 100644 --- a/lit/21949461.txt +++ b/lit/21949461.txt @@ -8,3 +8,49 @@ Leave the homo shit at the door. No I will NOT read A Picture of Dorian Grey or --- 21949492 >>21949461 (OP) Have you read Confessions of a Mask? +--- 21949934 +This shit is basically telenovela the Japanese literature edition. Boring and tedious. +--- 21949936 +>>21949461 (OP) +>Whatever you think of Mishima’s personal beliefs this is genuinely the best romance novel I’ve ever read. +How many have you read though? If you've read like 3 making such a claim isn't all that much. +--- 21949940 +>>21949934 +>>21949936 +Post better ones then +--- 21949953 +>>21949940 +Twilight +The Notebook +--- 21951271 +>>21949953 +Ok so you really don’t have anything do you? +--- 21951356 +I agree OP. This is imo the best romance novel of the modern era. + +Catullus poems on love are fantastic. +--- 21951960 +>>21949461 (OP) +the sound of waves, also by mishima and the man isn't a sensitive bitch like in spring snow. +--- 21952529 +>>21951960 +Basedu +--- 21952689 +>>21949461 (OP) +any of the major works by Machado de Assis. +especially 'Dom Casmurro' and 'Memorial de Aires' +--- 21953054 +>>21949934 +It's the opposite. There's almost no forced drama on it. There's almost no conflict at all. It's a beautiful and delicate book. +--- 21953060 +>>21949461 (OP) +Call Me By Your Name +--- 21953152 +>>21949461 (OP) +Oblomov and Tristram Shandy are both unexpected great romance novels. +--- 21953318 +>>21949461 (OP) +Les amities particulares +--- 21953708 +>>21949461 (OP) +Have you read the other 3 books in the series? diff --git a/lit/21949475.txt b/lit/21949475.txt index 3d7a08d0b6cdae84c00054571d1e35f606649b88..35cdbd9a83ef2aba84ad897539f574dd1bed3f84 100644 --- a/lit/21949475.txt +++ b/lit/21949475.txt @@ -7,3 +7,34 @@ If you love the movie, you will at least like the book. It's told from the persp --- 21949902 >>21949475 (OP) Can't say for sure, but I will say this: Kesey's other major novel, Sometime a Great Notion, is exceptional. I therefore recommend. +--- 21950027 +>>21949475 (OP) +You'll enjoy it but the plots diverge and converge frequently. It's not the same as the movie, but it's still on par. +--- 21950119 +>>21949475 (OP) +Kesey hated the movie because it portrayed Nurse Ratchett as the villain. In the book he makes it clear that Ratchet is just part of the machine of the hospital. The entire institution is what keeps the inmates and destroys their humanity, not one bitchy nurse. Once you read the book, you can see Keseys problem with the movie very clearly. +--- 21950146 +>>21950119 +in democracy all public servants are guilty +--- 21950574 +>>21949475 (OP) +The book is far better than the movie. The movie kind of butchers and merges characters together. +--- 21950744 +>>21950574 +How could the book be better when the film literally won Best Picture? The book won nothing at all. +--- 21951463 +>>21949475 (OP) +i recently read the book and watched the movie after and have an unfinished essay on the differences. the book is exceptionally deeper than the movie; comparatively the movie is a shell of the book with the themes and characters it presents. this is mainly due to the butchering of bromdens character, inner dialogues, and experiences and memories in the translation from book to film. my favourite part about the novel which is nowhere to be found in the film is its criticism of industrial society. even little things - like in the start of the book the mention of the plaque congratulating the patients for getting along and functioning, or the man who runs tours through the hospital basically advertising the patients as an achievement of modern society to able people - serve to support greater thoughts that the story makes one consider. + +yeah the movie was REALLY successful, but it utterly fails depth wise compared to the novel. some people consider it the best film adaptation of all time, but that just makes me consider that film is an inferior medium to writing. im obviously biased, i much prefer everything in the book to the film. +--- 21951472 +>>21951463 +forgot to add, my favourite chapter in the novel is definitely chapter 7 +--- 21951557 +>>21950744 +Winning isn't everything anon +--- 21953038 +op here, thanks team. sounds like i'll be reading the book. +--- 21953042 +>>21949902 +i'll check that one out for sure! diff --git a/lit/21949531.txt b/lit/21949531.txt index a669fdde0f784300962db59ab02aaff248ed122f..c233c320e5b7deebbf48bd3963594202276a109e 100644 --- a/lit/21949531.txt +++ b/lit/21949531.txt @@ -66,3 +66,50 @@ Curzio Malaparte is sometimes overlooked around here. I enjoyed The Volga Rises --- 21949842 >>21949773 I memoryholed that +--- 21951210 +>>21949793 +Charleroi is such an awesome book. I bought it after watching Paths Of Glory and I have no regrets. Best book about the Poilus imo. I'm a bit of a /k/ type guy who is going to be joining the FFL soon so Junger really hit for me. Plus, I read Junger right when Ukraine broke out, so I associate that book with war in general as a concept and state of being. I haven't read Graves, but I'll put her on the list. +--- 21951214 +>>21949836 +>overlooked +Retard, he is in many charts and is invariably recommended in every thread related to NYRB +--- 21951243 +Babel "Konarmiya" +Simonov "The Living and the Dead" +--- 21951324 +>>21949531 (OP) +>Storm of Steel +>Mine Were of Trouble +>My Early Life (bits where Churchill talks about his military service) +>A Memoir of the Warsaw Uprising +--- 21951524 +>>21951324 +All great. Warsaw Uprising has been on my list for a while. I'm apprehensive about Churchill though, dude was such a cunt in Gallipoli. +--- 21952500 +I loved Storm of Steel but I read it years ago and kind of hate Jünger threads. +--- 21952726 +>>21952500 +I get it. Have you ever read A Martyr Speaks? It's a journal written by delusional American soldier that went over to Rhodesia to fight in the Bush War, and slowly loses his grasp on reality as a result. It's an awesome book. +--- 21952926 +>>21952726 +:0 sounds cool anon! +--- 21952944 +>>21952726 +>not on any of my pirate websites +>cheapest copy is over a hundred dollars (for a "readable" copy) +Fuck! +--- 21952967 +For Whom The Bell Tolls is a must read +--- 21953006 +Generation Kill +--- 21953277 +>>21951210 +Nice to see another anon who read and liked Charleroi. Good luck in the FFL anon! You should keep us posted +--- 21953630 +Got this on my list. I'll read it eventually, I swear guys. +--- 21953645 +>>21952967 +not WW1, but a good book +>/lit/ contrarians will deny this because too mainstream +--- 21953656 +the war parts of War and Peace diff --git a/lit/21949579.txt b/lit/21949579.txt index 8f563db8301e6fa645719f6f6204eff7c9aa912e..f53a602f90ae54104d2cc22f14191be205327dbe 100644 --- a/lit/21949579.txt +++ b/lit/21949579.txt @@ -25,3 +25,222 @@ All of the antagonists are rich business owners that use their money to manipula /thread --- 21949821 Fountainhead was better, but yeah randists are autistic +--- 21949914 +>>21949579 (OP) +>Being a selfish rat and not caring for your community is good +Clearly didn't actually read the book. +--- 21950005 +>it has been 7 trillion years later +>leftoids still cant argue against atlas +lets say you are a worker, you know, employed, not someone who larps 20 hours a day on reddit page called 'antiwork' (cant make this shit up) +lets say you are MORE productive, more efficient, more profitable, BETTER worker than the average +why would you want to collectivize? +why collectivize yourself with the inferiors, when you can just have private property and contract law? + +no leftist has ever answered me +there is a reason leftism only ever produced famine and gulag, when you equalize superior and inferior, no one wants to try harder, all you get are inferiors, famine, and gulags +--- 21950008 +>>21949579 (OP) +Our "communities" put BLM signs on their lawns and simp for WW3 just so they can add another flag to their online bio. They deserve nothing but contempt and disdain. +--- 21950018 +>>21949651 +This makes sense, considering she was a commie under deep cover performing cultural terrorism to undermine capitalism in the USA. +--- 21950026 +>>21950018 +>>21949651 +no retards, you forgot the central piece, the government +you cant exploit without a government +you cant have monopolies without a government +you cant have corruption and lobbying without a government +you cant have exploitative licences and regulations without a government + +capitalism is not when a government does thing, abusing government is communist ideology +in atlas shrugged, atlas types just shrug the government off and create utopia based on private property and contract law, and zero government +--- 21950067 +>>21949579 (OP) +>your community +what community? My family lives in different states. I don't know my neighbors. Even if I did know them, they wouldn't want to spend any time with me. We have no social safety nets. We are completely alone. The social contract is gone. +--- 21950078 +>>21949615 +>Rich people are... le bad! +Is there any lazier and more public school worldview than this? +--- 21950231 +>>21950005 +It's normal for the stronger to help the weaker, it's a hardwired trait that has come to create the social contract. We do the hard stuff, they raise our babies, then the next generation takes care of us when we are old, etc +The problem is in the modern state we are just slaves, like the horse in animal farm we do all the shit work for those weaker and less capable and get none of the benefits, just more and more abuse and exploitation +--- 21950532 +>>21949821 +Cringe +--- 21950685 +What's the appeal of her doorstoppers? She's an okay writer at best and her ideas aren't complicated. Even if you're drawn to her, why not just read Anthem and/or some essays, and save your reading time for basically anything else? +--- 21950688 +>When did you grow out of Randism? +--- 21950696 +>>21949651 +Look at that, this guy actually read the book. Unlike faggot OP. +--- 21950809 +>>21950685 +her characters are an inspiration +--- 21950853 +>>21950809 +>Rapists and socipaths are inspirations +I'm glad to see the right wingers finally admit to who they are +--- 21950883 +>>21950853 +the only mass murderers in history are leftists +--- 21950913 +>>21949579 (OP) +When did leftists actually read anything they critique? +--- 21950916 +>>21949579 (OP) +Rand developed a reactionary cult of ideology that lures people in with veiled self-help. "Existence exists! Adopt these truths and you will master reality--just like John Galt. Those who criticize are 'collectivist' subhumans too weak to stand as an individual and understand that 'A is A.'" Her takes are overly simplistic and define reality by simply denying complexity. She promotes jargon/labels in an attempt to predefine perameters and negate actual discussion/criticism--just like Marxism, her ideas aren't falsifiable. Followers will assert that monopoly on semantics and retreat to tautological assertions instead of meeting criticism head on. Buying into Rand is payment for a self-esteem that proves unwarranted as the actual expense is a self-indoctrination that retards thinking. Randtards are ideologues and ideologues don't think, they regurgitate. + +The easiest way to underscore her bullshit is to point out she asserts that the free market be characterized as an infaliable arbiter, basically deifying it in the process, when the reality is that it's a complex social mechanism that is never pure in the way Randianism requires. It's an emergent phenomena made up by inputs coming from limited human understanding and both moral and immoral impulses. + +On top of all that you have the fact the leader of the cult didn't live up to her own ideas and accepted social security and medicare. The Randtard will assert she paid into these things and deserved them. They will not acknowledge they constitute a social safety net that Rand, due to her failure to plan for her financial future and poor life decisions that lead to ill health, reluctantly accepted. Basically, Randtards don't like it when you point out the flaws in their leader. They maintain the cognitive dissonance of seeing themselves as both free-thinking individualists that confront absolute reality and yet refusing to criticise the failures of their Dear Leader. +--- 21950920 +Private property is the only way to care for your community. +--- 21950922 +>>21950005 +get a job and then you'll probably understand why workers organize +--- 21950947 +>calling a democracy of appetites a community +retard +--- 21950961 +>community +I don't even know my neighbor's neighbors. I moved far away from my birthplace to get away from brown people that have turned it into islamabad. I am an incel and women apparently don't owe me anything. My main contact with society at large is that I do make very decent money and half of it is stolen to fund boomer pensions, single moms, fatasses and drug addicts straining hur NHS, wars for man-on-man sex in the Donbass, and the above mentioned brown invaders. +Muh community. +--- 21951006 +>>21950922 +>get a job and then you'll probably understand why workers organize +Funny the one thing i realize is that people hate the government more for taxing the shit out of them rather than hating their employer when they actually get a job. Have you actually worked a day in ur life anon? +--- 21951077 +>>21950922 +its the leftists who feel entitled to a yacht for mopping floors or serving fast food +your hungry santa was the first on record to not understand value +the fuck is there to organize, when you have no value??? +the issue has always been that you have no value + +start a business, try to self employ, employ yourself, would you even pay yourself? +--- 21951098 +>>21951077 +Nta, but you have completely lost your mind. Move out of your parents house and get a fucking job. Oh, or start a business. So easy to do, right? +--- 21951194 +>>21951163 +Wait, why did tranny janny delete that post? +--- 21951235 +>>21950026 +>abusing government is communist ideology +Destroying government is a communist ideology. +They just explicitly say they need to use the State to get to communism first but, then, as soon as communism happens, the State will cease to exist. +So they stupidly believe. +--- 21951284 +>>21950532 +No u +--- 21951471 +>>21949579 (OP) +About 12 years ago +--- 21951486 +Atlas Shrugged is a book about a wealthy heiress who is better at everything than everybody. She meets a man who creates a magic metal and together they search for man who built a magical friction-less motor. Standing in their way are parodies of socialist thought and the rest of the stupid unwashed masses. Eventually they find the motor man living in a hidden valley that can only be seen by smart people. In the valley, all of the smart live in a utopia where they've cured numerous medical maladies and refuse to share this with humanity. Also the residents believe society will collapse without their greatness, but just to be sure they've cut-off vital supply lines to the greater public. Eventually magic motor man is captured by evil stupid people at which point he launches into a 100 page tirade laying out in autistic detail his personal philosophy, destroying any subtlety encountered thus far. Super heiress and metal man, along with Beast and Jubilee, take the blackbird to rescue motor man just as he's being electrocuted by stupid people. After they successfully extract him using the powers of objectivism, a magical sound weapon built by stupid people explodes and the country is reduced to covered wagons within hours. +--- 21951509 +>>21951486 +She's right about socialists and the masses; they don't deserve anything. +They are, after all, Hegel's 'Knechtschaft'. +--- 21951516 +>>21949579 (OP) +Millions of years of evolution culminated in the zenith of human achievement with the formulation of the Randian tautology: +A=A +--- 21951521 +>>21949651 +He could be a villain +>muh effective altruism +--- 21951935 +>>21949579 (OP) +When did you gain some reading comprehension? The book never says that. It says that to people who it offends for asking them not to be lazy parasites on their communities. + +>>21949615 +>I CANT READ +>MOMMY MAKE COMMUNISM HAPPEN! +>BLM! +--- 21951962 +>>21949579 (OP) +>caring for your community +Yeah but is it voluntary? That's the part you guys seem to not address. Because if it's not voluntary then the people who decide what exactly "caring for your community" means suddenly have a whole lot of power to make you do whatever they want +--- 21952093 +>>21951486 +Nice. +--- 21952174 +>>21949579 (OP) +How's the fountainhead in comparison? +--- 21952201 +>>21950026 +>private property and contract law +>zero government +pick one +--- 21952215 +>>21949579 (OP) +I'll never read this yankee doorstopper but not supporting a diseased system is the only way to cure it +--- 21952462 +>>21951235 +that what they claim, but every time it was attempted it resulted in totalitarian states +every single time +abusing the state is communism in reality +--- 21952517 +>>21950916 +>Name calling +>Strawmen +>Complaining about semantics + +Wow, such a solid and unique critique of the ideas put fourth by objectivist and Atlas Shrugged. I am totally convinced by your argumentation and thus will become a freedom hating collectivist of some sort. Probably some flavor of socialist. +--- 21952558 +>>21952462 +state can be abolished only globally +>arguing without knowing basics +--- 21952676 +>>21952517 +>Name calling +Go tell your mommy you thick skinned rugged individualist, kek. +>Strawmen +Nope. +>Complaining about semantics +I outlined how Randianism uses loaded terms in order to monopolize semantics and frame the conversation in its favor. Randtards won't acknowledge criticism and will attempt to assert their overly simplistic worldview instead of engaging complexity. + +Everything I said is true and if you can prove it wrong feel free to try. The problem you're having is that I pointed out how Randtards debate and you won't be able to retreat to the regurgitation you confuse with thinking in this conversation. Cope. +--- 21952695 +>>21952558 +How does that make any sense. "Uh yeah this thing blatantly doesnt work but if we do it everywhere then it will work" ??? +--- 21952787 +>>21949598 +>>21949582 +>implying the leeches and parasites aren't the rich people +--- 21952798 +>>21949579 (OP) +My favorite thing about this book is that the rich asshole protagonists fight the scourge of collectivism by forming a commune. +--- 21952815 +>>21951194 +Because he was a lying 15 year old. +--- 21952870 +>>21952695 +how do you think abolishing government should work? +>How does that make any sense. "Uh yeah this thing blatantly doesnt work but if we do it everywhere then it will work" ??? +brilliance of self awareness... +--- 21952895 +>>21952870 +>abolishing government should work? +It doesnt. It would just be anarchy briefly and then another state would emerge +--- 21953027 +>>21952895 +If communism ever comes back, I'm joining the Stazi so I can torture and execute true believers getting what they deserve. +--- 21953153 +>>21952815 +Even if that was true, which i doubt. Why would nigger janny delete that post? +--- 21953156 +>>21952787 +>Providing you with housing,water and electricity is leeching +>NOOOOO! LET ME LIVE ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR FREE!!! +Get a job nigger. +--- 21953654 +I've never seen a successfull randist. No, 2000 karma on r/atheism isn't success +--- 21953770 +>>21953654 +There is literally a single type of successful randians - nouveau riche dipshits who lucked out into their petty wealth and then need to retroactively invent a belief why they deserve it. All serious people are some sort of weird combination of technocrats and ecofascists, or even marxists who turn the table and say "capital is good, actually". diff --git a/lit/21949606.txt b/lit/21949606.txt index eb3e933d9860c97e1851d60f51440832e08d6d20..440215feef418aed5588dbe1c9825d81be48a1c6 100644 --- a/lit/21949606.txt +++ b/lit/21949606.txt @@ -54,3 +54,330 @@ this tells more about you than about the book, sympathizing with H.H. is peak mi So based. Similarly I had a mental breakdown when talking to my friend about the Sopranos. The words passed his lips 'I felt bad for...' and I had to screech to stop him from continuing. I crushed the banana I was holding into an indistinguishable pulp. 'N-no', I whispered. 'You feel bad for t-that MURDERER?!' His immoral, satanic voice replied, 'Well, it's an antihero drama, it's supposed to examine your experience of empathy and toy with that idea.' Antichrist drivel.Thankfully, I live in England so I got him arrested for hate speech (Soprano is also racist). --- 21949822 >>21949606 (OP) +--- 21950165 +>>21949664 +>All this moral fagging with modern sensibilties and talking about tradition and dysgenics and mutant +You've got a schizophrenic world view. People used to marry twelve year olds not too long ago, like less than 50 years ago in America it happened in various Southern States, no one thought it was weird. Go back even further and it becomes the norm. Women were traded for sheep and cows. Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity. +--- 21950254 +>>21949606 (OP) +Shut the fuck up libtard +--- 21950296 +>>21950165 +literally in most of human history humbert would just marry lolita and that would be that +--- 21950331 +Based, fuck lolita niggers. +--- 21950334 +>>21950165 +>we must retvrn to natvre... so i can marry children +Kek you really are the spawn of boomers. What an absolute embarrassment +--- 21950420 +>>21949796 +>lololol +>the fact that you notice some humans react as X means YOU AXHSUALLY REACT AS X!! +>heckin arachnophobe +>bet you want to fuck spiders!! +(T anon calling you a “midwit”) +Fucking WEW lad +--- 21950433 +>>21950165 +>You've got a schizophrenic world view. People used to marry twelve year olds not too long ago +Yeah anon and you know what fucking happened to the cultures which allowed that? +They got outcompeted by evolutionarily superior cultures which disallowed it. +Just as the cultures who required child sacrifice were outcompeted by cultures which did not. +That’s why abrahmic monotheism conquered the known world. +It IS the true religion of the true God as it IS that which adheres to nature’s law (IE the will of God) +--- 21950455 +>>21949606 (OP) +Get therapy and maybe you'll get over whichever family member/teacher fucked you. +--- 21950463 +>>21950455 +god just shut up you fucking faggot maddox reject toid +--- 21950467 +>>21950463 +It's ok anon, it wasn't your fault. +Seriously tho, get help, I was thinking you were a pedo in denial. +--- 21950468 +>>21950433 +Was it not the will of God when he chose the 13 year old Virgin Mary to carry the son of God in her womb? +--- 21950469 +>>21949606 (OP) +>sympathize with a predictor +--- 21950485 +>>21950467 +>if you reject something as immoral it means you have a closeted desire for it +Coombrain +--- 21950490 +>>21949606 (OP) +Why admit to being retarded willingly +--- 21950504 +>>21950485 +That's generally how morality works, yes. Either enforcing your affections upon the world or forbidding everyone what you forbade yourself. +However that's obviously not the case with OP(you?) +--- 21950512 +>>21950504 +>overcoming or at least not identifying with lust is utterly inconceivable to me +yawn +--- 21950514 +>>21950512 +>some urges bad, some urges good +>I am the arbitor +Also acknowledging things and validating them doesn't mean acting out on them/identifying with them. +--- 21950516 +>>21950514 +>still hasn't developed the moral intuition to identify the perverse for what it is +Sad +--- 21950520 +>>21950516 +>moral +>intuition +yawn +Also if you identify something perverse within yourself, the truest way to ensure it "corrupts" you is to repress it. +--- 21950523 +>>21950520 +>I acknowledge the deepest, darkest depths of my desire +>I will now use my art as tool to give it more reality in my mind and the minds of others +Kek, fucking retard +--- 21950526 +>>21950523 +>I am so afraid of my own subconscious I need to make sure it never sees the light of day +One day you might muster the strength to face your shadow, until then have fun with your "moral" crusades +--- 21950529 +>>21950526 +>I must actualize my demons because they said so +Kek. Step off the gas with the Jung bro, I still haven't finished the meme trilogy +--- 21950538 +>>21950529 +Whatever forms in the human mind, forms there for a reason. Without addressing the reason, you'll turn that apparition into a demon yourself. +Only slightly initiated into Jung so far though. +--- 21950543 +>>21950538 +>all of the great dualists were just a repressed *-phobes +You bleed seed oils +--- 21950544 +>>21950165 +>your outrage is the actual product of modernity +/thread +--- 21950559 +>>21950543 +>You bleed seed oils +kek this is a good one, not even sure what it implies +Also yes, I already established that was my view of morality in general, or I thought I did. But there should be at least 3 other neetzsche threads for more of this shitposting. +--- 21950571 +>>21950559 +There's a fine line between acknowledging something dark inside you and identifying with it. Extremely fine. A dualist attitude helps you see it. That's all I'm saying. No hard feelings, have a good day. +--- 21950575 +>>21950571 +You too anon. +--- 21950671 +>>21950543 +>seed oils + +When did seed oils become the big super bad thing to hate around here? I noticed this cropping up a few weeks ago, and while I'm open to evidence that they, like many processed foods, are capable of impacting otherwise healthy bodies in certain ways, it feels suspicious how sudden and yet overwhelming in nature this is now the newest globalhomo thing to hate, whoever is pushing it. +--- 21950717 +>>21950165 +>Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity. +pretty much +--- 21950747 +>>21950671 +It's not that complicated, it just means: you eat industrially processed foods so you have an industrially processed mind, because you think a hatred of evil is a sign of trauma (in all cases). Most people who say this shit don't understand how "the passions" disintegrate you, like how some fat people think they're perfectly fine because they feel fine. I call it the Garfield Principle. +--- 21950889 +>>21950747 +This response is so much worse than what I'd hoped for. All this 'smart sounding' crap about evil and trauma and "the passions", barren of "here's the evidence that such and such processing might lead to these undesirable things happening to your body". If you have something meaningful to say that doesn't come off as deflection, then spit it out. +--- 21950933 +>>21950889 +>evidence +retard +--- 21950939 +>>21950889 +>evidence +>thinks I'm strictly talking about the body +retard +--- 21951244 +>>21950933 +>>21950939 +Ok, let me put t this way, the analogy only works if there IS something wrong with consuming the oils and the reader is aware of this, otherwise they'd only get what you're saying based on board culture hearsay, which wasn't the case for >>21950559 +That's the problem +--- 21951374 +>>21949628 +Yes, in Europe age of consent was 10 for most of history (or there was no such law at all), only 18-19 century it started to change and increase. It was normal for brothels to have young girls working there and often the very poor themselves would sell their kids to brothels or just wealthy men directly +--- 21951400 +>>21949628 +>we're pedos +paging Dr. Freud..... +--- 21951415 +>>21949628 +>>21949638 +>>21949664 +>>21950165 +Oh yea opium and tobacco was also legal for most of human history that must mean it is ok right and it's just the (boogeyman) feminists fault +--- 21951529 +why would you do that? +come on the internet and pretend to be retarded? +--- 21951552 +>>21951415 +boogeyman ? You have no idea what you're talking about lmao fucking retard +--- 21951656 +>>21949606 (OP) +Nabokov didn't trick me into sympathizing with him, I let myself be carried away by the story. I'm a reader, not a judging god, I don't fight nor question narrators. +--- 21951667 +>>21949606 (OP) +Imagine missing the point of a book so dramatically. +--- 21951683 +>>21949628 +> we are +You consider yourself a pedo? Learn English faggot. +--- 21951687 +Seriously op, what's your IQ? +--- 21951750 +>>21949628 +Unless they were royalty they'd be more than likely hung on a noose by a drove of angry villagers +>>21950165 +Just before WWII pedophiles were grouped among rapists and chemically castrated in half of Western countries including Southern US. If anything modernity has given them leeway by not being killed on the spot. +--- 21951950 +>>21949664 +lol +>Jones responded early to the allegations against him in a letter to Nikita Ivanovich Ryleyev, the Chiefof Police in St. Petersburg, on April 2, +1789. In this letter, Jones admitted that he did indeed have sex with Katerina Stepanova, though he calls her “A fallen girl who visited my home several times, and with whom I often frolicked, but +for which I have always paid her cash.”39 He argued that he “Did not despoil her of her virginity” and that she wasmuch older than ten years of age, as the magistrate claimed.40 He offered his chivalrous nature and sense of honor as safe-guards of his defense. He claimed to be incapable of doing harm “To this girl, or to any person of her sex.” He further claimed a long affair with the girl, in +which “She submitted most willingly to do everything that a man could desire of her.”4 +--- 21952008 +>>21951750 +You're actually delusional if you think all throughout human history men who were attracted to twelve year old girls were immediately executed by the masses. There is a very small window of time where this was the case, and you're currently living through part of it. If this is personal for you because you were molested, I'm sorry about that, but you aren't intelligent and your conception of history is massively skewed. +--- 21952016 +>>21950671 +E-celebs being paid by the meat and dairy industry on Twitter told these retards that seed oils are evil. Every meme and trend you see on /lit/ comes directly from Twitter. This board is entirely reactive, probably the least influential board on all of 4chan. +--- 21952208 +>>21952008 +>unprompted mention of molestation +Ah, if you need to seek a psychiatrist for traumatic actions inflicted on you by a family member then I recommend you do so to help you move to a better life. +Any how, it is not delusion in any manner to say that cradle snatcher and child predators weren't killed at many points in time as we've seen with the Werewolf Trials of what is now Switzerland in which they were lumped with cannibals and practitioners of black magic. Of course there are times where it was deemed acceptable but this ranged entirely by nation and culture in which plays into how you mentioned brothels earlier. In a Christian nation around say Medieval Europe- a pimp, if caught, would most certainly face the danger of death as the idea of someone selling and taking the virginity of numerous girls would be seen as dire as notion of adultery. +The dubbed "modernity" is merely a retread of ideas that are far from exclusive to our modern time period and shows that you have skewed view on the intelligence and philosophy of our ancestors to meet your own less than savory needs. +--- 21952223 +>>21952208 +>now he's conflating pimp with pedophile +You're an extremely dishonest poster. Have you ever seen that Clint Eastwood movie where he says, "Old enough for kisses" and then kisses the little girl, today we would call that pedophilia, but back in the day, podophile referred to literal baby rapists, like people attracted to babies, not girls going through puberty, but actual children. +--- 21952238 +>>21952208 +What age are you talking about though, that's the thing. 5=/=12=/=15. They each represent a different sort of predation +--- 21952249 +>>21952238 +He's talking about any girl 16 and down. He's simply not intelligent. +--- 21952543 +>>21949606 (OP) +>100,000 years of “higher” sentient life +>5000 years of agriculture +>200 years of “””enlightened””” secular democracy +>And what the fuck does it result in?? +You know exactly what it resulted in. +--- 21952585 +>>21950671 +It's the latest Jew being pandered to them. The terminally online have to have everything reduced to bite-sized chunks in order to fool themselves they both rediscovered the wheel and found the easy way out. They make a caricature out of every true bit of information they get their hands on and turn in into a meme that gets passed around. You can't make up greater useful idiots even if you tried to. + +It's useless to have them think every farmstead used to have crops, a part of which got turned into oil and maybe the problem at large is more complex and encompasses the quantities, lifestyle habits and choices. No, just live the same life you did, just don't eat anything that has seed oils and stuff your face with lard instead to own the libs. Then get excited for the next revolutionary break-through. +--- 21952619 +>>21952585 +>if you don't consume seed oil that means you stuff your face with lard +They're just trash anon. I eat a sensible diet of mostly unprocessed animal and plant products and avoid seed oils + +Why would this anger you? How does this make any sense to you +--- 21952669 +>get bored and decide to write one of the funniest dark comedy novels of all time +>70 years later Americans still seethe instead of enjoying the whimsy and humour +Based Nabokov. +--- 21952698 +>>21952619 +>animal products +Kill yourself, you flesh eating carnist filth. +--- 21952708 +>>21952619 +>consume seed oil +It's not like normies chug a glass of it each morning, is it? You're getting it from fast food and processed foods in general, which everybody knows are a no-no and should avoid. You just go with the "seed oil" meme because it's a new special identity you can cling to. Same with the weird supplements, you've literally acquired female psychoses, which in turn make you look gay. It's no longer enough to say you have a balanced diet, it must be specifically against the current something to be part of it. + +The funniest bit of it all is seeing all these retards virtue signal it and ask for oil replacements in food recipes (that only called for like a spoonful anyway) and even turn down salads because, once again, it's that spoonful that makes you a loser. +--- 21952709 +>>21952698 +See that's why lol. It has nothing to do with any of the stuff you said in your first post +--- 21952722 +>>21952708 +>its a special new identity +Do you have literally any evidence for this? The only change it made for me is that I stopped eating mayonnaise and margarine, and I had noticed before this became a well known thing that those items seemed to make my heart hurt a bit, so it just confirmed it for me. + +You don't need seed oils to cook anything dude. You can use butter, olive oil, animal fat etc. + +>weird supplements +I take no supplements other than occasionally vitamin d in the winter time or if I'm sick +--- 21952765 +>>21952722 +>Do you have literally any evidence for this? +He asks, as if he's not already fully aware where his newly acquired meme came from and how that part of Twitter, those "people", are like. + +>You don't need seed oils to cook anything dude. +>that doesn't mean you stuff your face with lard +People not only used whatever they grew on the farmstead but also fasted religiously. Trad larpers usually forget this. It must be really sensible to cut out the vegetable oils just to replace them with animal fats, and certainly not a vegan-tier meme but where you just switch sides. + +>those items seemed to make my heart hurt a bit +I'm sure it's like in the movies and you could feel that clump of mayo traveling towards your heart after you eat it. It was the seed oils, for sure, had you made homemade mayo with olive oil, it would've actually been healthy. + +>I take no supplements +Odd, I usually only see women and browns who play the "how come this exception doesn't disprove the general rule"? +--- 21952773 +>>21952765 +Most of the guys on rw bodybuilding Twitter simply assimilated the fact into their nutrition theory, same way there is now a consensus there about eggs being good for you. And yes I could genuinely feel a weird little pain in my heart sometimes from eating too much mayonaise if I had like 2 sandwiches in a row. Doesnt happen if I just use butter and dijon, which is what I do now +--- 21952776 +>>21949814 +ALMOST perfect bait post, it just got a little too much at the end, fren +--- 21952835 +>>21952208 +what the hell are you even talking about, prostitution existed and was widely accepted in medieval europe, girls (not sure about pederasty) who were orphans/homeless were often picked up by orphanages/theatres etc which basically brothels, I don't think it was legal but authorities didn't care until around 1800s. +--- 21952854 +>>21952773 +>simply assimilated the fact into their nutrition theory +Weird way of saying mindless cultists adopting whatever the hive decides it's the thing now. Do they still worship Peat or have they moved on to the next one? Imagine taking the common sense of Peat and slapping some new age rightoid mumbo-jumbo on top, like tanning your balls or reciting some ancient Aryan mantra while breathing funny, they'd go nuts for it. Or even just actual labor with a purpose instead of being some jacked hunk (debatable) to punch the keyboard harder. + +>same way there is now a consensus there about eggs being good for you +Ah, yes, the revolutionary, ground breaking discovery of "your chickens give you eggs = you eat those eggs". Totally not reinventing the wheel. Still, that's sort of too normie, though, there has to be some way to give it a new twist. Maybe eating them raw, heh? + +>Doesnt happen if I just use butter and dijon, which is what I do now +Seed-oil free Dijon, I hope. Can't deny it'd be a good marketing shtick, you could totally raise the price up by 20%. That's good but it could also just be a placebo, you know? Whatever works. +--- 21952899 +>>21949814 +lmao +--- 21952911 +>>21952835 +>not sure about pederasty +lol +lmao even +--- 21952914 +>>21949606 (OP) +If anyone sympathises with HH, they're the problem Nabokov is talking about in the book. + +You...did read it right? + +>>21950165 +>Now, you can make the argument that human beings have always been bad, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to act like somehow Lolita is something shocking and exceptionally evil and that it could only be created in modernity, when in actually your outrage is the actual product of modernity. + +Literally this. +--- 21952915 +>>21949628 +What do you think? +--- 21952919 +>>21952854 +You're being tremendously autistic. It's just people who dont trust the FDA so they're collating an alternative view of nutrition, aided along by trial and error for what works better in bodybuilding. If a handful of retards make it into a brand that doesnt somehow delegitimize it. + +>raw eggs +The argument here is about cholesterol being destroyed by cooking and useful for synthesizing testosterone. But you can just soft boil or fry the eggs and get the same thing, so long as the yolk is soft. Eggs also have a lot or micronutrients, some essential fats, and easily digested protein, so obviously they're seen as a great food now that people no longer believe the stuff about saturated fats and heart disease or dietary cholesterol causing bodily cholesterol to rise. +--- 21953099 +>>21949606 (OP) +it's just a book bro, it's not reat +--- 21953164 +>>21952919 +>they're seen as a great food now that the Egg Board of America has put billions of dollars into propaganda campaigns +Lmao. +--- 21953173 +>>21953164 +Proofs? I personally do notice good muscle recovery following a workout from eggs, but I only eat 3-8 a day. People who have like 12+ are overdoing it imo. I think the limiting factor is the micronutrients, fat, and maybe cholesterol being fulfilled for the day. I prefer to get most of my protein from chicken, pork, beef, or fish. + +Then again the original egg intensive diet was from Gironda, who I'm quite sure was roiding, so maybe if you're taking steroids then there is benefits to more eggs because you need more cholesterol, it's possible. But most bodybuilders just eat chicken breast and such so I dont think eggs are really some wonder food. Still a top tier food however. +--- 21953211 +>>21949606 (OP) +One of the best bait threads ive seen diff --git a/lit/21949722.txt b/lit/21949722.txt index ffc4e52fe42f17fdb355a4e2cf845ebf1dc3cad1..33e1c6f631ccc8337f9cb1ce8a30733ced9f9e3e 100644 --- a/lit/21949722.txt +++ b/lit/21949722.txt @@ -11,3 +11,93 @@ pic rel is the book of Jan Cremer. It's about his time on Ibiza in the 60s. I th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G7xDdj5EK8 [Embed] Ik bak ze bruiner +--- 21950936 +bump +--- 21951403 +>>21949722 (OP) +my top 5 is: +a. roland holst - de afspraak +cees nooteboom - rituelen +nescio - de uitvreter +jacques perk - gedichten +albert verwey - de goddelijke komedie +--- 21951424 +>>21949733 +De Avonden has already been translated into English and published as The Evenings. +--- 21951436 +>>21951424 +It has even prompted some local reviews +--- 21951621 +>103 AP +>still no holy shrine for Our Prophet +>mgw +--- 21951635 +>>21951403 +>albert verwey - de goddelijke komedie +elaborate +--- 21951672 +>>21951635 +a translation of the divine comedy by a dutch poet. albert verwey translated a lot of poetry and wrote a lot of original material as well. all worth reading. + +you can read some here: +https://www.dbnl.org/auteurs/auteur.php?id=verw008 +--- 21951729 +>>21951436 +Top kek. The Evenings does read like a childrens book version of The Journey to the End of the Night by Celine +--- 21951759 +de kapellekensbaan +--- 21951813 +Cremer should not be near any top 3. Eventhough I dislike Mulisch, he is better than Cremer. Some names that have yet to be mentioned in this thread: +>Brouwers +>Kellendonk +>Arends +>Marugg + +Poetry: +>Slauerhoff +>Marsman +>Gorter + +>>21949733 +A decent list although some should be omitted/replaced by better writers. +--- 21951851 +>>21951621 +how to translate +koolraap en lof, schorseneren en prei +turnip and leek, schorseneren and leek +--- 21952623 +>>21949722 (OP) + + +I'm not sure if Mystiek Lichaam by Frans Kellendonk was ever translated. Easily top 3 for me. +https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystiek_lichaam + +Also, Nescio's travel diary (Natuurdagboek) is the most comfy shit out there. + +https://libris.nl/boek?authortitle=nescio/natuurdagboek--9789038803838 +--- 21952658 +>>21952623 +I forgot: + +Maurice Gilliams - Elias of het gevecht met de nachtegalen +--- 21952789 +niggas be like +>have you read Deikjisptso Jiikolper bo Ostfreedbnoo + +at least it's not cyrilic, i guess +--- 21953033 +>>21951759 +>uit de zoute zee komt zoete vis +>en uit een zoet meisje zoute pis +Great book +--- 21953348 +>>21949722 (OP) +I want to have sex with Reve +--- 21953392 +Lucifer - Joost van den Vondel +--- 21953496 +Bit off topic, but this one is pretty underrated NMM +--- 21953763 +>>21953496 +>joost-christelijke +lol diff --git a/lit/21949743.txt b/lit/21949743.txt index 51a0aaf477808e7e1f7058de87c594613d1762d4..2f2bc0be5bb524ca11d8ecaac970bae8df967ba7 100644 --- a/lit/21949743.txt +++ b/lit/21949743.txt @@ -8,3 +8,23 @@ Thanks anon I’ll check it out. I wish more anons knew about Restif. He was a c The Ancient Greek poet Theognis is under-rated here. Extreme, curmudgeonly, rancorous rants about the evils of democracy and progress and the masses, combined with poems about being in love with pretty boys and seething when he gets rejected by them. A man of extreme and petty emotions who is nonetheless very charming and likeable precisely because of the intensity of his feelings, and the skill and beauty with which he communicates them. Like a character in Dostoevsky, or Bloy --- 21949898 I will never stop shilling this book. It's amazing. +--- 21951087 +Adolphe, Werther, René, Obermann, the list goes on +--- 21951096 +>>21951087 +Me, +--- 21951161 +Alexis Zorbas and Christ Recrucified. Both masterpieces that deal with themes /lit/ usually talks over and over about in other novels. But I'm too lazy to shill them. +--- 21951171 +>>21951161 +Schlock. +--- 21951203 +>>21951087 +>René +Will you tell me the whole title? I'm always glad to check out books I'm unfamiliar with when recommended here, but I'm not sure what it is. +--- 21951554 +>>21951203 +>Will you tell me the whole title? +That's literally the whole title. Author is Chateaubriand +--- 21953074 +I've been really impressed with this book... diff --git a/lit/21949907.txt b/lit/21949907.txt index 4260901c4f636ad088622adcc819d9ac7a31fb42..d1a3e153dfd7787bdd5d1bbe1879332229b1bdb2 100644 --- a/lit/21949907.txt +++ b/lit/21949907.txt @@ -3,3 +3,150 @@ Anti Social Conditioning media list - not all the recommendations on here are books. I quickly put it together, post your recommendations and why. +--- 21950401 +wtf this is literally the opposite of anti social conditioning +this is mega social conditioning +aspiring for wealth, female attention and above all this narcisstic, synthetic, pragmatic, non-real idea of 'individuation' are all parts of the psychosocial zeitgeist as a result of our society today +youre trying to 'break out' exactly along the lines that the system laid out for you +behind your polymer 3d glasses you ingest the blue pill wrongfully thinking its the red +or this might be bait lol whatver +--- 21950639 +>>21949907 (OP) +Both James Ellis books are based af. +Entrepreneurial shit looks mid. I would suggest some of John Micheal Greer's work like "dark age america" or "collapse now and avoid the rush." Ellis likes to quote him a bit. +--- 21950675 +>>21949907 (OP) +This is like the gayer, more flamboyant, more “edgy” version of oversocialized basedboys +--- 21950792 +>>21950639 +>and why + +Exit from modernity is an ongoing process that evolves thru life and depends on why and what you want to exit from (eg it's better to exit from carrerism or materialism than running water) Ellis gives a good framework that can be expanded on by JMG's work. Greer writes about a lot, but his work on collapse and how to live with LESS (less energy, stuff, stimulation) points in some good directions on how to live a simpler, more fufilling life. Very applicable if you are a fan of the concept of the power process Kaczynski talks about (which is ripped from someone else i know.) +--- 21950979 +I just want to learn how to make enough money to be able to spend most of my waking hours in leisure, or at least on projects that I actually care about. I also want to be able to travel a bit, as where I live is pretty dreary and rainy most of the year. Any book recommendations for me? +--- 21951004 +Oblomov +--- 21951008 +>>21950979 +The education of Emile +--- 21951011 +>>21949907 (OP) +Everything listed looks like slop normies consume since they're all retarded. Looks like social conditioning to me +--- 21951013 +>>21950979 +go to school. Look for a job +--- 21951023 +>>21951013 +> get in debt so you have to work +> become reliant to corporations until it's too late because you are in massive debt +--- 21951042 +>>21951023 +>wants formalized answers to everything in the form of books so he doesn't have to take risks or figure shit out for himself +>hurrr but college (where they literally validate you for an economic position if you're not a total retard) is a scam +Pick one moron. +--- 21951076 +>>21951042 +Yes and yes +--- 21951330 +>>21951008 +QRD? +--- 21951649 +I improved the list a bit added some stuff, I hope for heavy criticism. +I'll post updates from time to time. I need to add more text explaining each piece of content + +>>21950401 +You're right to some extent. +But I still have these desires - wealth and women are part of them. I am not entirely sure where these desires orignate from, society or my DNA but I still have them and I won't deny them, I am not some "above-everything" person. Of course I am not talking for everybody. + +>youre trying to 'break out' exactly along the lines that the system laid out for you + +I believe everybody craves validation and wealth - be it in the current society or anytime else but maybe the title "Anti Social Conditioning" is not that fitting. I'll have to think about it. + +Maybe you are thinking about the extremes of these desires - multi billion dollar yachts and harems? + +>>21950639 +Looks promising, I'll look into it - gives me "live in a cabin like Pentti Linkola" vibes though. This guide is more of a "make the best of the society we currently live in" + +>>21950675 +>oversocialized basedboys +What is that? + +>>21951011 +Kinda true for the money books, but you know don't judge a book by it's cov +--- 21951671 +Here's my list. +Non-fiction +The education of Emile +Philosophy in the Bedroom +The Inequality of the Human Races +Fiction +Oblomov +Memoirs of a good-for-nothing +The Sorrows of young Werther +--- 21951680 +>>21951671 +But why? +What did you personally gain from each book and what do you think other people will gain from them, what perspectives etc.? +--- 21951717 +>Anti Social Conditioning +Just read any book written prior to ~1950 lol +--- 21951726 +>>21951680 +The education is good if you want to learn how to home-school someone. +De Sade is great because it's all about the psychology of evil. +De Gobineau is the only right-winger - feudalism tier right winger - who wrote about Inequality (all the other right-wingers straight up deny inequality). That makes him the most unbiased sociologist who ever existed. +The non-fiction books are about people who do what they want with their lives instead of listening to society. +--- 21951733 +>>21951726 +>De Gobineau is the only right-winger - feudalism tier right winger - who wrote about Inequality (all the other right-wingers straight up deny inequality). That makes him the most unbiased sociologist who ever existed. +Hmmmm, I'd disagree. But ok I have heard he has some half-decent insights sometimes. +--- 21951824 +>>21951733 +Other right-wingers that wrote about inequality? Rousseau and Marx wrote about it, but they were radical left-wingers. +--- 21951845 +>>21950401 +you believe everybody craves validation & wealth +i agree with validation +but i vehemently disagree with wealth, this concept has been ingrained into your worldview exactly thanks to our society. wealth does not bring happiness, your craving for wealth will be an unfillable hole that our society exploits at every impasse. maybe you desire freedom that wealth gives you? that is fine. but please be careful of worshipping wealth as an endgoal. you will worship & worship and spend your precious consciousness worshipping a god that is fundamentally unworshippable & forever asking for more. reframe your end goals or fall prey to the exact beast you are trying to conquer. +--- 21951849 +>>21951845 +meant for this +>>21951649 +--- 21951922 +>>21951824 +We might be thinking of different things. Thanks. +--- 21952023 +>>21950639 +>John Micheal Greer +Man, I looked him up, but he's written so much crap on the occult that I cannot take him seriously. +--- 21952053 +4 hour work week is bullshit +Millionaire fastlans is a game +Unscripted unnecessary if you have the above + +For business framework: +Millionaire fastline + almanack of naval ravikant + Ready fire aim + +For concept of the future: +Sovereign individual +The fourth industrial revolution + +Now you know where both sides see the world going. Find a business based on first books. + +Read further based on ur needs to execute +--- 21952168 +>>21952053 +You're the second person to recommend Almanack, why do you prefer it for business framework? +--- 21952175 +>>21949907 (OP) +This is a bunch of self help books. +Biggest market for self help is among american young men and middle-aged chinese women. +--- 21952282 +>>21949907 (OP) +Being antisocial was easy. I just live in my parents' basement. No books necessary. +--- 21953618 +>>21950675 +how do you even check that you're the right level of socialized +--- 21953621 +>>21951042 +what's the point of so many people living and writing before me if i can't even get some precise guidelines for my exact situation which shouldn't even be that unique diff --git a/lit/21949935.txt b/lit/21949935.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5d35ef8872da7576de8a84e3147ef2a6a94b4ab5 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21949935.txt @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +----- +--- 21949935 +masterpiece or hipster meme? +--- 21950846 +I don’t think any of us have read it yet. We’ll know in another year or so +--- 21950867 +>>21949935 (OP) +Considering it’s untranslated, you have never read it, and you only discovered it from the blog of a charlatan, then possibly the latter. +--- 21950878 +>>21950867 +>you only discovered it from the blog of a charlatan +kek you got me but why is he a charlatan? +--- 21950921 +>>21950867 +>>21950878 +What blog +--- 21950930 +>>21950921 +https://theuntranslated.wordpress.com/2019/02/01/schattenfroh-by-michael-lentz/ +--- 21950935 +>reviewer in SZ says it's shit +>reviewer in FAZ loves it +>reviewer in Zeit was filtered and admits to giving up +Sounds like a great book to pretend to have read. +--- 21950962 +>>21950930 +>The main premise of the book is outlandish and unsettling. The narrator, called Nobody (Niemand), is held captive in a dark room in complete isolation from the rest of the world. He is wearing a face mask equipped with the technology that harnesses his thought processes, the product of which he calls “brainwater script” (Gehirnwasserschrift). The writing of the book Schattenfroh, apparently the one we are reading, takes place in the captive’s mind, but the advanced technology is capable to transfer the text into a more tangible form; whether it is a digital book or an old-fashioned printed manuscript is not specified. The mystical creature called Schattenfroh is Nobody’s evil jailor. (It’s worth noting that Schatten is the German for “shadow”, and froh means “glad”) He has lured the protagonist into the dark room by a certain game of numbers, which involved the city map and the number 666, and now his victim is trapped inside the middle 6, forced to write the book for Schattenfroh whose total control over Nobody makes him a co-author of the book, if not more. Schattenfroh represents a mysterious organisation called the Frightbearing Society (Die Furchtbringende Gesellschaft), which is an allusion to the 17th century Fruitbearing Society (Die Fruchtbringende Gesellschaft – note that Furcht is an anagram of Frucht) whose goal was to standardise and promote vernacular German. The book Schattenfroh is envisioned as the foundational text of the secret group on whose behalf Nobody’s detainer is acting. +Sounds like schizokino. Translation when? +--- 21950967 +>>21949935 (OP) +I have the e-book. I am going to use AI to translate it. +--- 21950993 +>>21950962 +Sounds completely looney but I’m intrigued. After Solenoid’s popularity in translation, are massive schizokino tomes the new thing? +--- 21950997 +>>21950993 +Retard. +--- 21951010 +>>21950993 +>After Solenoid’s popularity in translation, are massive schizokino tomes the new thing? +Probably. That blogger is a bit of a tastemaker for indie publishers. I can see more schizokino along the way and I'm all for it. +--- 21951239 +>>21950997 +What’s retarded about what I said? +--- 21951506 +>>21950993 +I read Solenoid last year. While it wasn't a grand masterpiece, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Like reading a diary of someone I share a lot with. + +This >>21949935 (OP) seems like a whole different level of shizo. If only I weren't such a slow reader I'd pick it up right away. +--- 21951659 +>>21951506 +I agree. Solenoid was fun but wasn’t life changing or anything. Do you read German? Schattenfroh is still not translated to English +--- 21951662 +>>21951659 +>wasn’t life changing or anything +what book is? +--- 21951778 +>>21950962 +lol. This is also the guy who did the hollow earth novel? +--- 21952740 +I know German well enough to read this now. If it's good then I'll devote my life to translating it +--- 21952745 +>>21952740 +I will make a better translation with chatgpt before you even finish reading the book +--- 21952826 +>>21952745 +AI will never translate novels in a satisfactory way. Mark my words. You have to actually know the language and understand the authors intentions. +--- 21952834 +>>21952826 +>understand author’s intentions +Topkek get a load of this retard +--- 21952841 +>>21952834 +more than an AI at least. If you know two languages why don't you take a passage from some book and translate it and then see if the translation reads right or if it's retarded gookscript +--- 21952901 +>>21950962 +>Niemand +Don't tell /x/ lol +--- 21953003 +>>21952901 +lol why? the nobody meme? +--- 21953406 +>Niemand +>Nobody +So, Ulysses? +--- 21953417 +>>21951662 +--- 21953423 +>>21950930 +This retard is the most apparent shill among book reviewers online. This reads like he took actual money from the author himself to write this review. Untranslated as a whole is a massive shill campaign for snobby authors who like to pretend that they have talent. +--- 21953432 +>>21953417 +I'd rather read my fantasy novels. +--- 21953456 +>>21953417 +what's it about? +--- 21953461 +>>21953423 +>Untranslated as a whole is a massive shill campaign for snobby authors who like to pretend that they have talent. +Many of the authors are dead, anon, and some were already translated to languages other than English. These aren't some self-published frauds. +--- 21953577 +>>21953456 +Title says it. +--- 21953579 +>>21953461 +>dead authors +Estate. Literary rep is also worth shilling for. +--- 21953582 +>>21953577 +zzz +--- 21953589 +>>21953579 +shilling in a blog with so low an audience? come on. why is everything some conspiracy to you, fags? +--- 21953609 +>>21951778 +Clemens Setz? +--- 21953623 +>>21950962 +that sounds schizokino alright +i'm buying it, luckily i'm german +--- 21953638 +>>21950930 +>>21953423 +>>21953461 +Are there any other blogs about obscure / schizokino books and literature like that? +--- 21953659 +wew lads diff --git a/lit/21950080.txt b/lit/21950080.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e1ec0e0f0aaade1b7b2574fdd015faa775fc2821 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950080.txt @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +----- +--- 21950080 +Are there any adult-oriented book series similar to Percy Jackson? I don't know if I'm just a manchild or what but books used to be so much more fun back in 2nd through 10th grade. I just want to get into a series like i used to. +--- 21950103 +>>21950080 (OP) +>I don't know if I'm just a manchild or what but books used to be so much more fun back in 2nd through 10th grade +that was a function of the child-brain itself, not the books. we can never go back. +--- 21950111 +>>21950080 (OP) +The Greeks +--- 21950125 +>>21950080 (OP) +Start with Mythology by Edith Hamilton then read The Iliad (I like the Pope translation but there are plenty to choose from). +--- 21950136 +>>21950080 (OP) +Not bragging but in 10th grade I was reading Kafka and Shakespeare +--- 21950141 +>>21950080 (OP) +The source material for Percy Jackson probably. Read Greek myth. Ovids "Metamorphoses", Homeric Hymns, Greek plays etc. +--- 21950143 +>>21950136 +kek +--- 21950151 +>>21950141 +>>21950125 +I've read the Greek Myths by Robert Graves. Is Mythology similar to that? I've also read the Iliad and just started the Odyssesy. +>>21950136 +Non taken. Honestly I'm not really looking for specifically Greek themed books. But I want a series with a protagonist who fights one over arching enemy. The only reason I posted Percy Jackson is because it isn't as annoying as Harry Potter. +--- 21950153 +>>21950111 +>>21950125 +>>21950141 +you people are fucking terrible at this +>how do I find books that make me feel like I did when I was kid +>durrr start with the greeks +--- 21950159 +Wild Cards was good in terms of an adult series with good guys vs bad guys, factions, people getting more powerful. +--- 21950163 +>>21950153 +A lot of them had encounters with eagle feathers as kids. Can't blame them. + +Read: Aquarius +--- 21950250 +>>21950151 +If you can get into the Iliad and the Odyssey (which are greek myth btw) you can get into the Homeric Hymns, the Metamorphoses and probably greek drama too (though some people don't like the dialogue driven nature of stories in the form of plays). Honestly they are very similar to the things you have already read but without the lame inventory taking and drawn out explanations of outdated hospitality rituals. +--- 21950257 +>>21950153 +I loved Greek myth when I was a kid, its what made me want to read OP's pic related in the first place. Im not going to apologize for implying that the source material for an example given is worth pursuing. +--- 21950298 +>>21950153 +>>>how do I find books that make me feel like I did when I was kid +>>durrr start with the greeks +You are developmentally retarded. It's not because it's the le Greeks it's because it's 'serious' literature that coincides with OP's interests. Take your weird inferiority complex elsewhere. +--- 21950771 +>>21950080 (OP) +PJ was a ripoff of Gaiman's American Gods, which shares a mechanic of pagan divinity as belief fueled with Terry Pratchett's Small God's, both of which are grounded in some of the conceptual underpinnings of Gaiman's Sandman. So read those. Don't read anything Neil wrote after 9/11 though, he went wildly onions. +--- 21951325 +>>21950153 +>>what is the adult equivalent of this children's book series concerning Greek mythology +>>Greek mythology +>DURR CRINGE LE GREEKS MEME +--- 21951354 +Vampires assistant by Darren shan +--- 21951379 +>>21950153 +normally I would agree but percy jackson is literally about greek mythology +--- 21951384 +Joe Abercrombie writes really fun books if that's what you mean +--- 21951573 +>>21950153 +The Iliad and Odyssey have gods and semigods fighting around. It's literally what you are asking, Percy Jackson but with a adult tone. Read the prose version. +--- 21951595 +>>21950080 (OP) +Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser +Conan the Barbarian +Elric of Melniboné +--- 21951836 +>>21950080 (OP) +I rec Flashman. Its very different from Percy Jackson, but its the only adult series I've found that has that same thrilling addictive effect where I want to read the whole book in one sitting. Also if think about it its a comedic adventure series based on history (actually very accurate and well done history), so in a way it actually shares a great deal with PJ. + +Alternatively one of the appeals of Percy Jackson, though I wasn't able to express it as a kid, to me was its celebration of youth combined with a pagan mythos in a modern context. To me American Gods is a waste of time because it lacks the prior. One book that does have both of these though is Bronze Age Mindset which gives a similar sort of comfy feel. + +Another option, if you're just looking for the feeling and you don't really care where you get it from, is Japanese manga or anime. There's tons of manga and anime out there that feel very similar to Percy Jackson some stuff I'd reccomend +>Danmachi +>Full Metal Panic +>Chainsawman +>Tate no Yuusha +>Btooom +--- 21951841 +>>21951836 +As well of course there is the Greeks. +--- 21951964 +thank you boys. I'll start looking for some of these. +--- 21952618 +>>21951836 +American Gods is as soulless as they come. Just a misery simulator. +But i will say OP is better off reading Shonen Jump comics. +--- 21952631 +>>21950080 (OP) +Not the same theme exactly, but Discworld is "fun, light fantasy". I recommend Small Gods. +--- 21952659 +>>21950080 (OP) +>Are there any adult-oriented book series similar to Percy Jackson? +Bro just stop with genre fiction and actually start with books people don't consider children-books. +Go read The Red Pyramid by Rick Riordan if you still want those children books tho. +--- 21953355 +>>21950080 (OP) +I highly recommend you the "Masters of Rome" series of historical novels by Coleen McCullough. It's a series of seven or eight books typically 600-800 pages each that consists of a narrative retelling of the history of the Roman Republic from the time of Marius and Sulla to the early reign of Augustine. The books include deep historical indices that allow you to place yourself in the setting and enjoy the narrative while contextualizing it something like the way the historical figures themselves might have. It's a novel series at the end of the day, but it's informative without being dull. diff --git a/lit/21950172.txt b/lit/21950172.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..95b9154dbf79f966e319813f2a0d2e2b8d701cc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950172.txt @@ -0,0 +1,26 @@ +----- +--- 21950172 +The purpose of this server is to discuss and share information about philosophy and religion, with a particular focus on Hermeticism and Neoplatonism. + +https://discord.gg/mcwnV68q +--- 21950187 +>>21950172 (OP) +Hope this isn't the Muslim groomer discord in a new guise. +--- 21950426 +bump +--- 21950501 +>>21950187 +>some mudslimes tries to convert other morons +>zoomer shithead reeds +>some christcuck tries to convert other morons +>zoomer shithead is fine with that +--- 21951914 +>>21950172 (OP) +A based bump +--- 21953002 +>>21950187 +>Muslim groomer +If only you knew this is actually a homosexual grooming server +--- 21953123 +>>21953002 +Surely there is no pederasty in based Islam diff --git a/lit/21950245.txt b/lit/21950245.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7079b8112e578e021f72e7c1ce68fb86c5b3b37d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950245.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 21950245 +Someone got a good chart for Irish lit? General recommendations? Poetry, novels, history, it's all good. + +I'll be reading Finnegan's Wake soon as well if you've got any tips for that. +--- 21951245 +Flann O'Brien's "At Swim Two Birds" +--- 21952125 +>hear about an important Irish writer +>check his Wikipedia article +>"He was born into a Protestant, Anglo-Irish family." +--- 21952656 +Bump +--- 21953321 +Bump +--- 21953388 +>>21952125 +And? Are you that same Scottish fella that´s obsessed with mentioning this on every single board? You´ve been BTFO´d multiple times. I´m not even Irish (I´m from Darby) but your obsession with Ireland is REALLY sad +--- 21953706 +>>21952125 +Asf diff --git a/lit/21950333.txt b/lit/21950333.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5477dd52ed93a6c9b609d33b3bd4013608e3892c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950333.txt @@ -0,0 +1,546 @@ +----- +--- 21950333 +"Those far dark places..." Edition + +Previous thread: >>21941208 → + +>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs) +https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS + +>Archive +https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg + +>Goodreads +https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg + +>Thread theme +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB3IokHelRk [Embed] +--- 21950340 +Anyone read The Gap Cycle by S. Donaldson? +--- 21950360 +So is there a market for this kind of stuff? Dark, less focused more difficult (compared to standard fantasy stuff) novels? +--- 21950361 +>>21950333 (OP) +What are those things? +--- 21950363 +>i love my bf! +>but there's this other guy! +>who am I? what am I?? +>omg what do I do with my life?????? +>murders 300 soldiers for no reason cause she's angry and confused +peak woman moment +--- 21950366 +>>21950361 +Bakkerposters. +--- 21950370 +>>21950360 +Possibly me, what is complex about these? +--- 21950373 +>>21950370 +They're grim but also dark at the same time. +--- 21950376 +>>21950363 +Brando Sando makes millions off the limited attention span of pseuds and retards. +--- 21950379 +>>21950373 +Nevermind. +--- 21950380 +>>21950363 +Her impaling that one koloss in particular from the sky was pretty GAR. Or was that papa Venture? +--- 21950422 +post cover arts from different countries +here's the japanese versions of Book of the New Sun by Yoshitaka Amano (most known for Final Fantasy illustrations) and Takeshi Obata (Death Note) +--- 21950439 +What's your favourite Bakker quote? +Mine is: +And... We... Love... CUNNY... +--- 21950443 +>>21950380 +Papa Venture, which desu it was a cool anime kill but it should have been Elend killing his dad instead +--- 21950446 +>>21950443 +>Elend +>ever at any point having his balls drop +If only. What a horrendously shit character. +--- 21950452 +>>21950446 +He did face an army of koloss with the express purpose of getting himself pwned so the world could be saved though +--- 21950458 +>>21950446 +>>21950452 +Also I can understand him never growing big balls when he had a psychotic bodyguard gf on 24 hour watch to destroy even mosquitos flying in his airspace +--- 21950474 +First Locke Lamora book gave me these vibes. +--- 21950481 +Just finished White Luck Warrior +Looks like meats back on the menu boys +--- 21950487 +larry niven, the OG sci-fi coomer +--- 21950537 +>The Judging Eye +>is a minor plot device that gets sidelined + +>The White Luck Warrior +>does nothing and dies like a sack of shit + +>The Great Ordeal +>has already been going on before this book anyway + +>The Unholy Consult +>doesn't even really exist anymore when they reach it + +What did Bakker mean by this? +--- 21950540 +is the witcher books just a bunch of short stories? +started reading the first book last week and it's neat but doesn't seem to be one long story, more all over the place +--- 21950541 +>>21950422 +Those are amazing. Wtf is going on with western cover designs? We suck by comparison. +--- 21950546 +>>21950439 +Mine is: +>After cucking his gay lover, he rubbed the POO from his BUTTHOLE and SMEARED SHIT all over himself SEXUALLY. Then he looked upon them and said, “NOW I AM A GOD.” + +Really deep and kino stuff +--- 21950553 +>>21950540 +Just the first two books. They’re also the best ones; the rest are more about politics and prophecy than monster hunting, and Geralt gets sidelined as the MC for Ciri. +--- 21950560 +>>21950540 +Once I got to blood of elves I started missing the short story format. Enjoy Last Wish and Sword of Destiny +--- 21950562 +>>21950553 +roger, i'll see if i feel like reading more when i'm done with book 1 +--- 21950576 +>>21950541 +desu the western covers for BOTNS are pretty fucking good, these ones especially +but yeah, in general western cover arts fucking suck, at least the new books/printings. especially fuck covers with photoshopped real people in them, absolutely awful +japanese book covers especially are almost always great, they very often commission these pretty big artists to do illustrations for translated works. at the very least there's NEVER a real person photographed on the cover. +--- 21950579 +>>21950553 +I can see why Sapkowski was so asshurt by the success of the games. The writing team at CD did a better job at telling stories in the author’s world than he did. Lol +--- 21950589 +>>21950439 +>>21950546 +This Bakker fellow sounds real nasty. I guess I should avoid his books. +--- 21950610 +Any anons have any good gaslamp fantasy recs? Bonus points if they have horror elements. +--- 21950612 +Here's the Japanese covers for the ASOIAF books, fucking love them. +--- 21950615 +Here are some Japanese volumes for Malazan. I wouldn't say the characters are accurate to how they're described, but I like the artstyle. +--- 21950634 +>>21950615 +No anime art for Salamander Rake? +--- 21950650 +>>21950634 +--- 21950669 +>>21950650 +nice +--- 21950678 +>>21950333 (OP) +I asked in the last thread and I will ask again. Any books that are similar to Fallout series? +Pic related inspired Fallout 1. +--- 21950687 +>>21950541 +you will get poorly photoshopped covers that unpaid interns made, and you will like it. +--- 21950702 +>>21950678 +Blood's a Rover by Harlan Ellison. There's a movie adaptation called A Boy And His Dog +--- 21950760 +>>21950422 +Conan Volume 1 +--- 21950764 +>>21950760 +Volume 2 +--- 21950778 +>>21950422 +Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser +--- 21950789 +>>21950422 +Some Jack Vance books. +--- 21950897 +>>21950333 (OP) +A Debt to the Stars - Kevin Hincker (2023) + +A Debt to the Stars is a self-published novel that is competently written. However, I believe it could've greatly benefitted from someone reining in the author's excesses and reminding them to focus on their strengths. As for its genre, it's a science fiction comedy thriller. There's aliens, fantastical technology, mysterious happenings, a foulmouthed comedic relief companion, villainous caricatures, blockchain explanations, financial dealings, lip service romance, and much that may be allegorical and/or ideological. Several have compared it to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is a decent comparison. That's not all it is though, and its lack of focus may have been to its detriment. Aside from the occasional infodumps about cryptocurrency, blockchain, financial dealings and similar, which were mildly reminiscent of the sort in Snow Crash, though not nearly done as well, this is mostly an action adventure thriller. As for the characters, well, they exist. The comedic companion carries a heavy load in that regard. The protagonist is mostly to drive the narrative forward. + +The book also has some social science fiction aspects, mostly resulting from which the aliens provided to humanity. Augmentation and the obelisks alleviate the need for much, as humans no longer become senescent, gain regenerative capabilities, and have all their basic needs provided for. From a human perspective, it's a very robust welfare state, or even Luxury Communism. This is depicted as having been disastrous for humanity, which perhaps it could be, but I find the specifics presented here to be implausible. It reminded me in some ways of Brave New World or Childhood's End. Unfortunately, this is mostly reduced to that those born before Augmentation become obsessives and those afterwards are fearless, ignorant, and unproductive unless raised properly from birth. The antagonists are the capitalists, both of the human and alien variety. The human antagonist organization is very much a caricature, or satire, of market fundamentalist beliefs. Their goal is world domination to restore the capitalist regime and bring scarcity back to the world. The alien capitalists are more predatory, financially speaking. + +This is the first book in an intended series. It's not my sort of comedy, the social aspects were disagreeable and implausible within their context, the economics were often nonsensical, and the ending was unacceptable in its plot convenience. Those who can ignore the details will probably enjoy this more than me. I can easily imagine a version of this book that I would've enjoyed much more. I hope the author heeds what seems to be the consensus opinion about what works and doesn't. The second may be far more pleasing to a wider audience by doing so. + +I received this book from the author through NetGalley. + +Rating: 2.5/5 +--- 21950901 +I read this book last week and it was really good. The premise is that British secret intelligence agents get locked in a secret Cold War fight with the communists over fallen angels/djinn that have infiltrated the electro-magnetic fields of radio communications and act as a sort of thought-virus that result in potentially lethally catastrophic breaches of the laws of physical reality. Very "Indiana Jones" aspect to it, sort of like James Bond combined with HP Lovecraft. +Anybody got other well-written and compelling supernatural spy fiction/political thrillers? Stuff with real research put into it, not cheap low-effort midwit crap like "oh all these famous characters throughout history are actually aliens/vampires/time travelers/god" + +>>21950376 +I'm fairly confident Sanderson doesn't attract intellectuals of any kind, especially not pseudo-intellectuals +--- 21951055 +Mysteries bros, kino is finally back in the menu with chapters 108 and 109 and the end of vol. 1. I was worried at the beginning but now the hype is back, with more mysteries and weird shit happening +--- 21951064 +Is this what football will look like in the future? +https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football +--- 21951067 +>>21950370 +Most people get filtered right here +--- 21951079 +>>21950897 +your """reviews""" are SHIT +FUCK OFF +--- 21951084 +>>21950370 +>>21950373 +>>21950379 +>>21951067 +Bakker'sprose is the greatest in the genre +>Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac …Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes.The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled +--- 21951110 +>>21951084 +derivative glib facsimile +--- 21951122 +>>21951067 +>>21951084 +tied with erikson for the absolute worst place and people names in the genre +--- 21951123 +>>21951110 +>>21951122 +As expected, most are immediately filtered. +--- 21951127 +>>21951067 +I just can't deal with all the silly made up names. +Tolkien's greatest feat is that he is readable and doesn't make you recoil from everyone having a full blown retarded sounding moron name +--- 21951130 +>>21951122 +I used to think David Eddings had the worst when I read Belgariad (Nadrak Yarblek? Are you shitting me?), but the sincerity of Eddings' work grows on you so you learn to look past it, but these tryhard postmodernist screeds full of pretentious amateur-linguist vomit make me appreciate the retarded pulp attitude a lot more. Very much a case of the midwit bell-curve. +--- 21951135 +>>21951127 +Probably because most of his names are grounded in real world languages and folklore, so they "make sense." +--- 21951136 +>>21951130 +>[buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords] +--- 21951137 +>>21951135 +>>21951130 +a week or so ago someone was saying bakker drew on mesopotamian names or some such +idk if it's true but if it is, those mesopotamian assholes sure had fucking retarded names +--- 21951142 +>>21951137 +if it's true then he made a mistake +--- 21951167 +>>21951123 +>[buzzword] +--- 21951175 +>>21951137 +Nebuchadnezzar +--- 21951183 +>>21950333 (OP) +Well paced and engaging 'progression fantasy' when? +--- 21951190 +>>21951137 +he drew on Mesopotamian culture in about the same way Jurassic Park draws on Hellenistic culture, which is to say about as much as it takes to name a dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex +--- 21951215 +>>21950760 +>>21950764 +>>21950778 +Those are badass. I really wish Japan did more art with strong and masculine characters. +--- 21951262 +>>21951067 +>anasurimbor ganrelka, high king of kuniuri +lemme just mash syllables together until it sounds fantasy enough +--- 21951276 +>>21951262 +ANONYMONGRUMBLOER, HIGH KING OF OREBOREO, HAS ARRIVED +--- 21951308 +>>21950778 +Damn that's Jun Suemi, he did the art for Brandish, Wizardry, Front Mission 2 and Rangoku. +>>21950678 +Damnation Alley by Zelazny +>>21950650 +>Skinny Tattersail +Erikson's gonna freak +--- 21951343 +>>21950678 +>Fallout 1 starts in Southwest +>this book is in Southwest +>>21951308 +>Damnation Alley +>Southern California +What's with nuclear post apocalypse and American Southwest? +--- 21951429 +>>21950363 +leave... my wife.,.. ALONE +--- 21951575 +Name FIVE good female sff authors that aren't Ursula le guin +--- 21951578 +>>21951429 +Your wife is a footslut +--- 21951587 +>>21951343 +They crave a reboot to settler days. +--- 21951597 +>>21951575 +I liked Black Sun Rising by C.S. Friedman. Dragonlance and Dragonriders of Pern is good too. +--- 21951598 +>>21950333 (OP) +So any of you read Kane by Karl Edward Wagner here? So far I only red the novel trilogy, I'm just starting the short stories. Both Bloodstone and Darkness Weaves were great but I thought Black Crusade was kind of a let down. +--- 21951608 +>>21950422 +Spanish hardcover editions of Clark Ashton Smith stories. +1/3 +--- 21951617 +>>21951608 +2/3 +--- 21951620 +>>21951575 +C. Dale Brittain +Lois McMaster Bujold +Mercedes Lackey (not a huge fan of her work but her actual writing style is extremely pleasant) +Holly Lisle +Teresa Frohock (only just started this author, prose is good and the premise is really great but I'll need to wait til I've finished the book for a final decision) +--- 21951623 +>>21951608 +3/3 +--- 21951633 +>>21951620 +I was surprised to see bujold won 4 Hugo's. Shes never recommended hardly. I might check those out +--- 21951637 +>>21951575 +Lois Mcmaster Bujold +Susanna Clarke +Megan Whalen Turner +Connie Willis +Diana Wynne Jones +--- 21951689 +>>21951575 +Zenna Henderson +Irmtraud Morgner +Mary Renault +Enheduanna +Evelyn Waugh +--- 21951705 +>>21951689 +>>21951637 +>>21951620 +you are just making up names +my favorite female author is Patricia Lemmings +--- 21951742 +>>21950333 (OP) +Ohhhh myyyyyy... +--- 21951743 +>>21951608 +>>21951617 +>>21951623 +Kino +--- 21951746 +>>21950333 (OP) +>/biz/ idea: every character sings a song at some point +--- 21951757 +>>21951746 +what if everyone had a lil jam sesh and started rapping hot bars +--- 21951765 +>>21951757 +>T-bombadollar spittin his rhymes +He would be so much better than all the others +--- 21951822 +>>21951598 +Yes +one of the greatest and most underrated S&S characters ever written +And yeah dark crusade kind of pales in comparison to bloodstone and darkness weaves. but the short stories is where kane shines best, night winds is great and so is death angel's shadow +--- 21951864 +>>21950422 +some french edition of new sun +--- 21951865 +/SFFG/ Recommendations: + +Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing + +Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War. +--- 21951880 +>>21951864 +Sauce on the artist? +--- 21951883 +>>21951865 +Bot post. +--- 21951886 +>>21951880 +looks like Guillaume Sorel +--- 21951892 +>>21951883 +Remember to report spambots. +--- 21951905 +>>21951575 +Melanie Rawn (My wife) +Kate Elliot (also my wife) +C.J Cherryh +Joanna Russ +Mercedes Lackey +Bonus: Jane Gaskell (Psycho femcel) +--- 21951931 +>>21951880 +>>21951886 +yep +--- 21951939 +>>21951598 +ill check it out, but impossible to buy, have to go on ebay. +know if there will be any new prints of kane in the future, like that single volume conan collection? +--- 21951942 +>>21951931 +to be honest I just looked at the artist's signature at the bottom right of the image +--- 21951945 +>>21950363 +Is the full mistborn series worth reading? I’m like 200 pages into the first Stormlight book and I think I’m liking it so far +--- 21951952 +>>21950422 +Finnish ASOIAF +--- 21951954 +>>21950422 +Japanese ASOIAF +--- 21951971 +>>21951952 +You're mistaken, ASOIAF will never be finished. +--- 21951975 +>>21951954 +Whats with japanese covers always being so shit +--- 21951976 +>>21950610 +I think the Scar by China Meiville kind of counts as that +--- 21951982 +>>21950333 (OP) +>We're going on an adventure +This thing was unironically my favorite character. The octopuses are cool but I fucking loved the little microbe thing getting extremely excited about the "spaces within spaces". It actually made me lol +--- 21951985 +>>21950610 +Fevre Dream? +--- 21951987 +>>21951742 +This is the one that makes me go "oh myyy" +--- 21951999 +>>21951954 +you're late >>21950612 +--- 21952033 +>>21950422 +Spanish editions of the Lyonesse trilogy. +--- 21952067 +>>21950678 +The Boy and His Dog (the closest one to the original Fallout concept) +Dinner at Deviant's Palace (the closest one in a post-apocalyptic adventure in California feel) +Lucifer's Hammer +Dr. Bloodmoney +Deus Irae +Postman +--- 21952145 +>>21951575 +Alex Aster +Sarah J Maas +Stephanie Meyer +Tyra Banks +Lani Sarem +--- 21952156 +>>21950612 +Dany? Jon. +Arya. Ygritte? Maybe Sansa? +Sam. Catelyn? Tyrion. +Cersei. Jamie. +Dany. Bran. Jon. +--- 21952177 +>>21950422 +I really fuck with these specific Brazilian covers for the Foundation series +--- 21952181 +>>21951883 +>>21951886 +Remember to read Wandering Inn. +--- 21952185 +>>21952177 +>>21950422 +The newer ones are less cool IMO (but they make up for it by having a cute girl) +--- 21952191 +>>21952181 +why are you like this? +--- 21952267 +>>21950422 +Iranian edition of Elric of Melnibone +--- 21952277 +>>21952181 +Nah. I'll read that one anon's story that had a cute girl on the cover where he asked which cover was better +--- 21952291 +the wandering inn's author doesn't reveal gender and has a cartoon girl avatar, so that means it's a dude, right? +--- 21952330 +>There better not be any s*x in that heckin' book +--- 21952333 +>>21952291 +Afaik he's called Noah, his named appeared on the credits of one of the spin-off novels +--- 21952342 +>>21950446 +Elend had the best arc of the whole series with the most memorable 'heroic' moment in all cosmere at the end of book 3. +--- 21952343 +>>21952291 +he's an AGP +--- 21952368 +Is there a book series like x-files but with more research and talking and less action? +--- 21952371 +>>21952291 +She's either a dude or a middle-aged housewife +--- 21952391 +>>21952371 +his name is Noah James +--- 21952392 +>>21952291 +It seems a publisher site for a graphic novel revealed his real name. Guess they wouldn't let him type Pirateaba into the form +--- 21952811 +>>21952392 +>his +--- 21952871 +Name the trilogy +--- 21952902 +>>21951689 +Waugh really was a bitchy cunt, wasn't she? +--- 21952931 +>>21952871 +Three body problem +--- 21953146 +I really enjoyed The Lions of Al-Rassan. It was exactly what I was looking for in historical fiction. +Wasn't that hard to follow on audiobook, and I'm going to see if Under Heaven is as enjoyable. +--- 21953165 +>>21953146 +cute +--- 21953206 +>>21953146 +I don't think it's accurate to call it "historical fiction" since it takes place in a parallel world that is inspired by the real world but does not correspond to it +however I hear much praise for Guy Gavriel Kay's work within that world, especially about the Sarantine Mosaic +--- 21953256 +>>21952067 +Thanks for suggestions. +--- 21953414 +>>21953146 +my nigga you gotta read arbonne +--- 21953422 +>>21950333 (OP) +Dying Earth? More like Raping Earth. +--- 21953459 +>>21953422 +For me, it's T'sais. +--- 21953480 +>>21952931 +TBP would be 2 > 3 > 1 +Death's End is a bit retarded at times and the ending falls flat unless this is literally your first time considering heat death of the universe, but its still way better than the first book that only has like 2-3 characterized characters + faceless tabula rasa self insert protagonist Wang Miao. +--- 21953500 +>>21953459 +That's what she said +--- 21953513 +>dragon paints the sunset +>dragon touches the painting +--- 21953533 +>>21953500 +Heh +--- 21953540 +>>21952033 +nice covers but maduoc looks far too old +--- 21953592 +>>21952330 +I hate how basic the stormlight books are and how popular they are +--- 21953663 +>>21952267 +isnt this haram in islam nation? diff --git a/lit/21950350.txt b/lit/21950350.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..870b0ce52dc0e9c2fc12c660bba021d93622b4c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950350.txt @@ -0,0 +1,207 @@ +----- +--- 21950350 +>Redpilled atheist about to get away with crime and a shit ton of money, becomes a literal Christcuck, throws it all to be a slave in Siberia +Just wow. Absolutely amazing. +--- 21950353 +>>21950350 (OP) +don’t forget the secretly pious whore waifu with a heart of gold +--- 21950359 +could lifting have saved him? +--- 21950378 +Didn't he turn himself in to save his own soul since he felt guilty and would be tormented by it if he didn't confess +--- 21950451 +>>21950350 (OP) +Didn't he said he was christian, and believed literally in the Bible, even the resurrection of Lazarus? Was he lying there? He even read the Bible to Sonia +--- 21950459 +>>21950451 +I thought he was making fun of Sonia and implying that people only believe in the bible as a coping mechanism. +--- 21950473 +>>21950459 +I feel like he was christian through the story, but he started doubting god because of the pain he was suffering. Then he tried to cope by reflecting his doubts on Sonia. I think that Dostoyesvky would have added atheism as a reason in that part where Svidrigáilov explains all the reasons Raskólnikov had to commit the crime, if that was the case. + +Anyways, this is up for interpretation, unless I'm missing or not remembering something +--- 21950484 +>>21950350 (OP) +>>21950353 +Absolutely, you have to understand that it was all worth it, because after 20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf. +--- 21950489 +>>21950484 +What a life. +--- 21950502 +>>21950350 (OP) +The modern American equivalent of Crime and Punishment, is Breaking Bad. However, their conclusions are very different, and their protagonists' development are quite opposite to eachother. Raskolnikov, an ordinary man who decided to murder two women, immediately regrets his sinful actions, nearly goes insane trying to cope, and eventually repents for what he did. Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism. Walter, an ordinary man with cancer who decides to make drugs to support his family, doesn't repent at all for his actions, in fact he gradually ramps up the scale and frequency of his murdering and meth manufacturing, affecting tens of thousands of lives in the process. And in the end he admits that at eventually he didn't even do it all for the money or for the family, he did it for himself, to feel alive. He didn't regret it at all. Breaking Bad an affirmation of pure egoism and its consequences, both negative and positive. +--- 21950517 +>>21950350 (OP) +>>21950502 +Two more things: Firstly, Dostoevsky shitting on America in both C&P and Brother's Karamazov, representing it as a haven for pedophiles and murderers, is not only him shitting on America's godlessness during his own time, but it is also an anticipation of American degeneracy (in the eyes of the church) from the 70s onward. + +Secondly, walt's godless egoism is probably why zoomers are going so crazy over BB on the internet. I can't go a day in my house without my fucking nephew making a breaking bad reference. It's annoying as fuck, fuck these retarded ass kids. +--- 21950522 +>>21950502 +>Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism +If you think "I am silly" is a refutation, sure. +--- 21950527 +>redpilled atheist +stopped reading there +maybe literature isn't for you OP? maybe stick to sucking cocks, what you're good at. +--- 21950535 +>>21950522 +I didn't say it was a good refutation. It was unconvincing. Still a good read though. +--- 21950630 +>>21950353 +>>21950350 (OP) +Nabokov was so right about this hack, it is readily apparent that his so-called "novels" only exist to sell soap to conservacuck housewives. +--- 21950656 +>>21950350 (OP) +I remember this being my impression in highschool. It also irritated me to no end. +I'm glad I came back to Dosto some 10 years later after therapy and after I did some growing up which was arrested due to trauma. +The fact this bothered you this much outs something within you that resonates with his points. +--- 21950698 +>>21950350 (OP) +Did we read the same novel? When was he going to get away with it? What did Porfiry tell him when he visited him at his apartment? +>I know it was you, I'll give you a couple days to turn yourself in, and if you decide to kill yourself in the interim, please be kind enough to leave a note of confession. +--- 21950742 +>>21950656 +Not op, the novel has great ideas like free will, ubermensch, and actions vs consequences. It does fall short, after so many clear and precise points for the rejection of religion, it feels lazy or at least taking the easy way, to have Rodyo come to the realization that the church was right all along. +--- 21950745 +>>21950698 +I know it was you because...I just do, ok? +--- 21950750 +>>21950630 +name one good book by nabokov +pro tip: you can't + +im so tired of this "nabokov said" bullshit, who cares about this literal who of literary world +--- 21950753 +>>21950350 (OP) +>Redpilled +>atheist +pick one +--- 21950758 +>>21950517 +Whatevah happen to Gary Coopah? The strong silent type. +--- 21950762 +>>21950698 +porfiry was such a chad, probably best cop in literature +--- 21950768 +>>21950698 +The painter next door confessed, Svidrigailov committed suicide, and Porfiry had nothing on him anyway. That's why he walked out of the police station after hearing about Svidrigailov's death, he got this in the bag. Cash out the loot, board a ship to America. +--- 21950773 +>>21950750 +Dolores Haze, the only convincing love story of our time. +--- 21950865 +>>21950350 (OP) +What did you expect? Dostoevsky was a literal christcuck too. Raskolnikov sudden christian awakening feels so out of character because the author was the same, he was constantly having a crisis of faith and then forcing himself into believing in God again because that's what was expected of him by society. Basically, most of his stories were cope from the author to try and convince himself that religion was the answer and that it was going to make him happy somehow in the end despite all of his doubts. +--- 21950879 +>>21950745 +kek, but it was +>>21950768 +Svidrigailov complete red herring with nothing to do with the murder, painter was a schizo with an alibi, and Porfiry had everything on Raskolnikov. It just would have taken an opening statement of Nietzschean density at the trial to explain how. +--- 21950896 +>>21950773 +also, my favourite song is Teenage Wasteland by The Who +(I'm trans btw) +--- 21950938 +>>21950378 +Poe was more succinct in The Tell-tale Heart. +--- 21950946 +>>21950502 +>an ordinary man who decided to murder two women +He decided to murder ONE woman. And a jewess at that. The other one just became necessary later. +--- 21950966 +>>21950502 +>Breaking bad is the modern Crime and punishment +>except that they are fundamentally different from each other with distinct story development +--- 21951036 +>>21950502 +Crime and Punishment is more similar with Death Note than Breaking Bad +--- 21951052 +>>21951036 +Reddit is that way sir +--- 21951091 +>>21951052 +comparing C&P to breaking bad is not reddit but this is? +--- 21951120 +>>21951052 +I'm not doing an entire post explaining all the correlations between Death Note and C&P, there's a 20 minutes long youtube video doing that. + +That said, just read the lyrics of this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJz0xqlHghY) [Embed] which defines the protagonist of Death Note and tell me it doesn't exactly applies to the character of Raskólnikov +--- 21951124 +>>21951120 +Excepting the "Liar who doesn't knows solitude" part +--- 21951148 +>>21951091 +NTA but the comparison of C&P to Death Note is extremely reddit because its doubling down on Japanese consumerist and trope understandings of western media. Porfiry and Raskolnikov's interactions are not really the point of C&P. It isn't a murder mystery thriller or Sherlock Holmes story. The Japs only understand the text at the most basic level and backing that interpretation just shows you don't know anything about either story yourself. +The BB comparison is pretty far-fetched but at least it tries to talk about the themes of the work and not just structure or tropes. +--- 21951281 +>>21951091 +comparing it to BB tells me you are a dumb zoomer. Comparing it to DN tells me you are a dumb millenial. both are bad but the dumb zoomer still has the chance of outgrowing his stupidity while the dumb millenial has little hope consediring he is probably around 30. +--- 21951329 +>>21951148 +Both Death Note and C&P protagonists are brown haired young adults who find themselves in a position where they are planning to commit a big crime. Both have that ideal of "Extraordinary and ordinary" human beings, and that they can get away with it because they are "extraordinary". Both believed that their crime would create a better world, . After some time, the protagonist finds a blonde girl who falls in live with him, who also commits crimes. They also have to play a game of cat and mouse with a detective. Both protagonists are arrogant and prideful. Both ends paying for their crime. +Of course there are big differences, the stories are not even similar, but their characters and their motivations are. The main difference is that one has a magical death note, and the other one actually regrets his crime. + +I really can't see the comparison of C&P with Breaking Bad, but I can see a comparison of Death Note with Breaking Bad. + +>>21951281 +Why is comparing a dumb thing to do? Everything has someting in common with anything. Why not connect those dots together and talk about it? Of course these novels/series are VERY different, but they still have things in common. +--- 21951335 +>>21950517 +Why don't you just move out of your brother's house? +--- 21951336 +>>21951329 +Wrote on mobile, that's why I have some typos. +--- 21951993 +he doesnt become a christian until a few years into his prison sentence if i recall correctly +--- 21952080 +>>21950758 +Wasn't he gay? +--- 21952650 +>>21950517 +>Dostoevsky shitting on America in both C&P and Brother's Karamazov, representing it as a haven for pedophiles and murderers, is not only him shitting on America's godlessness during his own time, but it is also an anticipation of American degeneracy (in the eyes of the church) from the 70s onward + +Wow, he was such a visionary. He would've totally hated Vegas and loved what based & trad Russia turned out to be. Luckily he wrote a George Floyd-tier biography of some random nog murderer he read about in some newspaper and attributed fictional motives and inner monologues to. +--- 21952662 +>>21950698 +best scenes were Porfiry's accusation and Svidrigailov's trip to america. +latter brought tears to my eyes. +--- 21952706 +>>21950350 (OP) +> and a shit ton of money +He didn't steal that much money. He only took what money was on the old woman or in plain sight at the moment of crime, completely missing the main part of her fortune. +Also, he has completely forgotten where the money was hidden soon afterwards. The meaninglessness of his crime is one of the main points of the book, because he did it to prove his stupid and deranged philosophical point, not for the money. +--- 21952885 +>>21950502 +>The modern American equivalent of Crime and Punishment, is Breaking Bad +This is a monstrously terrible take and you must be a genuine retard to actually believe this. +>Crime and Punishment is a refutation of rational egoism +No, it's a refutation of atheistic utilitarianism. Raskolnikov's justification for the crime is that he is making the world a better place by killing an old lady who did nothing but harm to the world and benefitting himself, thus allowing him to benefit the world. This is not bullshit; that is, he genuinely believes that this is the case, even when he confesses, and he is probably correct that in a strictly utilitarian sense the world would be better with the moneylender dead and himself relieved of his financial burdens. He would not have dealt drugs, or killed a productive/good member of society to gain the same money because that would have been immoral under his ethical framework. + +Of course the underlying theme is that religion is necessary to be a truly moral person, and that atheism results in arbitrary and harmful perceptions of what qualifies as good and evil. And so it's only later when he converts to Christianity that he understands why what he did was wrong, with his regret before the epilogue being purely an emotional response that contradicts his rational judgement of the situation. + +Breaking bad is an entirely different story, with Walter (almost) never having moral qualms about what he was doing and fully embracing his ambition. He has no psychological or emotional issues with this, and the only people who suffer are those around him. There are exactly zero religious elements in it, which is perhaps the main focus of Crime and Punishment, it has an entirely different storyline and structure, and the themes relating to egoism are at best tangentially related. +--- 21952897 +>>21950502 +Good and accurate post everyone else is wrong. +--- 21952935 +>>21950350 (OP) +I never finished it. I thought his buddy was cool. And the detective made it feel like a really good columbo episode. +--- 21952942 +>>21952935 +Columbo was based on Porfiry Petrovich, which you probably already knew +--- 21952951 +>>21951329 +>and the other one actually regrets his crime. +that's the entire point of Crime and Punishment retard, Light never has a second thought even when he kills Takadatard, and also Death Note is explicitly atheist since they can't go to Heaven or Hell but Mu (nothingness) +--- 21952959 +>>21950484 +>20 years of hard labor, he finally gets to be with his literal whore gf. +Do you know how insanely common this has become? Not even going with /pol/-cel rhetoric here, just going by the Gen X friends of my older brothers. + +I can name five different dudes that in their late 30s or early 40s got together with some girl they liked in high school, married her, and are now raising her kids. I know a guy raising four kids that aren't his, had one with the chick, just found out she's been cheating with multiple dudes, and is now getting absolutely divorce reamed. + +It doesn't seem to bother anybody so I try to just treat it like normal, but damn. +--- 21952978 +>>21950938 +Based +I'm going to read this right now, thanks diff --git a/lit/21950375.txt b/lit/21950375.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..bb3e6d4a7710298e26fb85ed9bca8a0fb702a303 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950375.txt @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +----- +--- 21950375 +Books that talk about childhood and how it is the actual only valuable part of life worth living? +--- 21950406 +>>21950375 (OP) +Do you like to be a slave? Because childhood is literally slavery +--- 21950412 +>>21950406 +speaking from experience I see +--- 21950415 +>>21950375 (OP) +--- 21950428 +>>21950375 (OP) +Ferdydurke +--- 21950430 +that's not true. my adulthood is much more fun than my childhood was. that shit was trash +--- 21950445 +>>21950430 +of course there are exceptions, anon +--- 21950449 +My childhood was often an embarrassing period. But adulthood is a full ordeal. Someone make time stop please. +--- 21950519 +My life has sucked evenly the whole way. Can't complain. +--- 21950622 +>>21950375 (OP) +my diary +--- 21950722 +Everyone's childhood is the same. Adilthood is where you get to pick what you want for you. +--- 21950769 +>>21950722 +can you provide an explanation on that? I'm curious. +--- 21950777 +>>21950722 +In adulthood I got illness, depression and unemployment but that's certainly not what I wanted. Childhood represents a perfect existence determined by unconditioned joy and devoid of struggle and suffering, adulthood is only made by these last two things instead. +--- 21950788 +>>21950375 (OP) +lord of the rings +--- 21950835 +>>21950777 +Sux to b u famalam +--- 21951112 +>>21950777 +great photograph +--- 21951116 +>>21950788 +Frodo is in his 50s in Fellowship... +--- 21951133 +>>21951112 +It's literally just a photograph +--- 21951145 +>>21950375 (OP) +The Scarlet Tree by Osbert Sitwell +A Question of Upbringing by Anthony Powell +--- 21951290 +>>21950375 (OP) +The innocent grace of childhood is heaven +All the the moments we realize this and think back, as if to peak in on ourselves, still there. This is all that we have left of heaven. +What an awful world that denies children this heavenly grace period +--- 21951317 +>>21950406 +As opposed to adulthood and its additional, more burdensome slaveries. +--- 21951411 +>>21951317 +Wrong, adulthood is harder, but it gives far more opportunities. +If you’re a passive faggot that wants to slowly and silently cruise through life then yes, childhood is better, otherwise adulthood is where it’s at +--- 21951426 +>>21950375 (OP) +What an utterly pathetic statement. “People” like you would crawl back into the womb if they got the chance. A perfectly just government would offer euthanasia for those with this disgraceful anti-human stance. +--- 21951437 +Remember when we were kids and didn't yet realize faggots like >>21951426 existed? +--- 21951459 +>>21951426 +>A perfectly just government +Anonymous, (posing as a a tripfag) you have to be trolling. There’s never been such a thing. +--- 21951462 +>>21951437 +You are weak. You are a coward. You are pathetic. And worst of all, you think you’re in the right. +Go crawl back up your mother’s cunt if you hate the real world so much. The rest of us will try to make the best of it. +--- 21952925 +>>21951426 +>would offer +>for those with this disgraceful +Huh? +>a just government would place decisions in the hands of those it deems disgraceful diff --git a/lit/21950381.txt b/lit/21950381.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..eec182757e7ecdb1262bc392e5fc7f1829583ca7 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950381.txt @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@ +----- +--- 21950381 +favorite eccentric philosophical papers? im depressed and i want to read short stuff other people are passionate about >_> +--- 21950488 +>>21950381 (OP) +I'm interested too +--- 21950566 +>>21950381 (OP) +What is this image supposed to be? +--- 21950657 +>>21950566 +idk, can anyone here read art? +--- 21950845 +Read one of Bernardo Kastrup's short papers about Analytic Idealism +--- 21950871 +http://www.sacredweb.com/online_articles/sw47_editorial.pdf + +Understandable and short. +--- 21951202 +>>21950381 (OP) +i got you senpai, here are some fun reads I try and assign when I do intro, plus some more difficult essays below. +Quine - On What There Is +Steven Yablo - Nonexistence and Aboutness +Penelope Mackie - Ordinary Language and Metaphysical Commitment +Roy Sorensen - Meaningless Beliefs and Mates' Problem +Jerry Fodor - Fodor's Guide to Mental Representation +Ruth Garrett Millikan - On Swamppeople +Timothy Williamson - Skepticism, Semantic Externalism, and Keith’s Mom + + +Seth Yalcin - Epistemic Modals +David Kaplan - Quantifying In +--- 21951641 +>>21950381 (OP) +Jay Dyer - Numbers Prove God +Really a beautiful yet still so rational and clear essay +>m-muh jay dyer is literally my bully! +Don't care, you haven't read the essay +--- 21951645 +>>21951641 +>jay dyer is my bully +literally who lol? calm down jay no one is worried about you and your practical nonexistence +--- 21951650 +>>21950657 +>he can’t read art +Allegory of Power. Got you king. +--- 21952641 +>>21950381 (OP) +https://direct.mit.edu/daed/article/134/4/40/27373/Civil-religion-in-America +--- 21952763 +>>21951202 +The Naturalized Epistemology laid out in On What There Is is very appealing. What would you recommend to a layperson who wants to learn more about it and its critics and proponents? +--- 21952782 +>>21952763 +I don't really know what you mean by epistemology in the Quine essay, but check these out +https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262580915/change-in-view/ +https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674258969 diff --git a/lit/21950492.txt b/lit/21950492.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b0c9c5cf8553c58de8078706ba365cbe4b293f08 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950492.txt @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +----- +--- 21950492 +When I was in high school I strongly believed in the power of ideas to be a life altering influence. I can't say I ever read voraciously but I had a strong interest in philosophy, political theory, literary fiction and so on. I always hoped that I would find something that would "blow my mind" so to speak and have a profound effect on how I see the world. And when I think about my life I can actually recall a few instances where I had what you could describe as epiphanies where my attitude towards something has changed, and I could trace the train of thought that lead me there to a book. But these moments are all in the past now. I feel like that period of my life where these things could happen is behind me. I still read, but I feel like I lost something crucial. I suppose I lost or am losing the faith that engaging with these texts is worth the effort, and perhaps because of that I am losing the ability to truly engage with a text on that deep level where the kind of experiences I'm looking to have happen. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't know. This post and this thread is my attempt at understanding what's going on. Have any of you had a similar experience? How did you overcome it? +--- 21950497 +>>21950492 (OP) +Maybe you are retarded like me ? + +Welcome to retarded club anon +--- 21950533 +>>21950492 (OP) +I experienced this disconnect after hitting the twenties as well. Something about believing in abstract ideas and not practicing them or not being able to have the power to have them be seen implemented breaks your spirit. +--- 21950557 +>>21950492 (OP) +"The thinker is blind to the immediacy of things, and is therefore unable to master them" + +Profundity is a spook. You can think and read for fun too, you don't necessarily need a grand justification to do so. And learn some mathematics, it's very elegant and full of potential "mind blowing" theorems and shit like that. Get your dick/clit sucked on in the meantime. +--- 21950565 +There's a reason "idealist" is synonymous with "naive" in a lot of people's minds. +You've broken through and now it's time to pick between being a man of action or a man of faith. +--- 21950570 +>>21950492 (OP) +I went through a similar experience. I used to be really interested in philosophy, psychology, history, mythology, etc. until I realised that no amount of reading can really help you interface with the real world. I lost my appetite for it for a while, until I realised that there's a big difference between just reading something, and applying what you've read to your own life. And that application step is immensely hard. I used to think that reading all this stuff would give me an edge in life, because I always felt like I was behind in a lot of ways, but I lost a lot of faith when I found that not to be the case. Now, I'm working on integrating those ideas into my daily life, and as challenging as that is, it's allowed me to regain faith in the power of ideas, as you put it. I think that for anyone that wants to improve their living situation, conscious and sustained effort is essential. Remember that many people read scriptures daily in an effort to come closer to God. The act of reading is a big first step, but it's not sufficient to see change in itself. + +/blog +--- 21950582 +If you're expecting an epiphany, it's probably not going to happen. Epiphanies (both secular and religious) happen when you least expect them. A watched pot never boils. + +That being said, just read for the pleasure of reading. For the aesthetic experience. Just continue being curious. The rest will come on its own... + +There are things you know, there are things you don't know, and there are things you don't know you don't know. Keep reading and eventually you'll come across the things you don't know you don't know. Then something might happen. +--- 21950635 +>>21950492 (OP) +You don’t need books for studying this, and books have already trained your ability to think to some degree so you should have the mental machinery necessary to deal with the challenge: try isolating what the practical effects of solving different problems in philosophy would have on your life. How would knowing for instance teleological free will exists instead of mechanistic determinism change your life practically? Once you have done this for a number of problems, you can start to generalize to whole sections of philosophy their practical upshot, and even exlore your memories and categorize different practical experiences you had as a result of answering philosophical questions under these general practical categories linked to the sections. Next, from those practical uses you have already experiences from philosophy in your memory, generalize out of them to find what qualities a practical philosophy has, and try to fill in those gaps in your current thinking. Finally, isolate in your life what are the most useful and essential feelings and qualities, in a non-tautological way (e.g. goodness, beauty are examples of tautological answers) and build a philosophy that aims at the improvement or fulfillment of those qualities. + +Also, I’d recommend reading some of the pragmatists, who explicitly note the importance of the practical effects of our ideas in far more significant and interesting ways than previous philosophers. +--- 21950665 +>>21950582 +But it won’t come on it’s own. A book requires intellectual engagement and play with it’s contents mentally to fully integrate it into your unique style of thinking so you can use it’s contents in a fast and intuitive way in your actual life. If you don’t try to fit together what you read, you will just have a set of islands in your mind completely disconnected from one another, and when any question is asked of you in day-to-day life, you will resort to your most comfortable and intuitive mental day-to-day island, and completely ignore the unintegrated knowledge you have built up from reading. It’s like someone who studied math in school becoming dumb and not knowing what to do in day-to-day life in a situation where there is a clear practical application the math. +--- 21950691 +>>21950665 +This. Many people over look the importance of the "childs play and womens work" phase of the work when the contents of the crucible are thoroughly heated. You need to play with the ideas while allowing your subconscious to work on them. I suggest taking your favorite philosophy book that you haven't read in a while, skim the pages for questions that the author asks, write them down in a notebook and then drop the philosophy book and take your notebook somewhere comfortable and just play with the questions. Try to answer them yourself without judgment if you are right or not, see what other questions may come, play with those too. Posit the negation of what a question is and answer that, see what comes up. This is the same reasoning that comes with drilling math problems and drawing graphs, but with logical reasoning and intuition. If you do it right you can have a lot of fun with it. Some of my personal favorite fiction I have written has come from this. +--- 21950700 +>>21950665 + +When I mean "read," I definitely mean a type of reading that is critical and engaged. + +If you're looking for a personal and practical mythos, feel free to do that, but I'm much more focused on identifying the nuanced and personal voices of the people I read. In fact, if I was forced to choose, I'd pick the islands of information over the broad and reductive personal mythos. To me, it sounds like you're more interested in turning a writer into something 'you' can use, rather than approaching an author on their own, individual terms. + +Basically, I'm much more hesitant to connect islands of information and make mistakes while doing so, than I am building those islands. To me, the connections are way easier to do than the hard work of coming to grips with their details and idiosyncracies. + +I'm happy to discuss "trends" and "similarities," but, to me, the value in reading comes from identifying individual voices. For instance, I'm happy to talk about modernism in broad strokes, but I realize that I'm generalizing and skipping over the details of a Yeats, Eliot, Joyce, etc. + +I'm also not going to skip over a writer just because I don't think their philosophy is useful. I'm not really concerned with "use." I don't read Yeats' "The Second Coming" worried about the "gyres" of history. +--- 21950704 +>>21950700 + +That should say something along the lines of "worried about the practicality of the 'gyres' of history." + +>>21950691 +I'm also more than willing to play with ideas. I think that's an imperative part of the reading process. I just don't think reading is about extrapolating a "practical" purpose. +--- 21950711 +>>21950557 +>>21950570 +i recently saw a video that mentioned a philosopher named Lev Shetov, he criticized the enlightenment positivist mindset because although reason may be a noble pursuit it also can work as a blindfold for us, making us unable to experience the world in a human way, becoming detached from the world and other humans. +i think that reading a book for ideas is only half of what a book is good for, like this anon said, you must learn to apply the ideas to your real life (or, as others suggest, you can just read for fun). when you read a book don't go into it to expand your mental encyclopedia of ideas, go in there looking for tools, the ideas are good if you can apply them, if you can make these ideas conversate with the world around you, otherwise, they become stale and dead. that is one of the criticisms plato had toward the written word, it freezes the discourse and kills it. Nietzche also said that you shouldn't read too many books, and for those he read he would go outside after finishing the book to meditate on them, and in the outside world, he would find more ideas and more insight into the books. +>>21950665 +well put, anon +--- 21950713 +>>21950492 (OP) +nigga you'll be fine, just know that there's always something that you can get into. I mean a rabbit hole or whatever. + +>knowledge big.... feeling smol + +you'll get over it +--- 21950725 +>>21950704 +>I just don't think reading is about extrapolating a "practical" purpose. +Well no thats not what its about whole hock. It can be about that if you want it to but, like we are kind of hinting at, it takes more than just reading, reading becomes a step in the process of producing and acting on motivating ideas. But reading can just be done for its own sake sure. I just got the sense (incorrectly it would seem, sorry about that) that you were the type that thought that just simply reading would propel you or guid you in some direction without having to take any other steps. +--- 21950734 +I found out my brain is like a sieve and when I fed it general literature, general history, general philosophy, general religion I was losing all the information because I wasn't sieving the useful information. I assume your smart enough to remember the useful information but there might be over hundreds of users on 4chan who haven't thought to break philosophy into categories or literature into movements or religion into theology. Pertaining to your point is that if you view everything in the same basket you'll have a large basket but very mixed with bread, fruit even stones giving you the impression you know things but not much. Having categories to add to whilst reading you can monitor your logic basket, culture basket, metaphysics basket, literary theory basket, language baskets, poetry school baskets and sex or fitness baskets and mythology basket. You'll see which ones you know best and which ones to gradually improve upon. And you'll either notice your extremely intelligent or that you are a jack of all trades or you are lacking in knowledge in certain fields. Good luck anon maybe this is common knowledge if it is, sorry. +--- 21950752 +>>21950725 + +No worries! + +I think we agree on the difficult work of the reading process. + +Personally, I just think the reading part of reading is the most important. I'd assume most creatives think the same way. The ideal reader (in my estimation) to them is the one who engages in focused reading and approaches their text sincerely and empathetically, not a reader who has one eye on the world / practical purposes. + +That's not to say there are no real life applications to texts. There are. I just want to focus on the experience of reading first and foremost. The "joy" of reading and the "pleasure" of empathetic engagement is the most valuable thing about reading to me. +--- 21950761 +>>21950734 +that was helpful +--- 21950949 +>>21950492 (OP) + + +Things epiphanically reveal themselves through cogitation, and via tangential abstractivity: what you lack is an occupation. +--- 21950968 +>>21950635 +>I’d recommend reading some of the pragmatists, who explicitly note the importance of the practical effects of our ideas in far more significant and interesting ways than previous philosophers +Could you give me some pragmatists you recommend reading? +--- 21951001 +>>21950497 +This. I always suspected I got retardation from ADHD + weed smoking + acid psychosis. Welcome to the club, anon. We can still eke out humble progress even within the domains of our midwittery. +--- 21951007 +>>21950533 +That's a part of it. When I started working I began to realize the immense power of the economic and social machinery that I exist under. I'm beginning to think that a better understanding of this system won't bring any relief, and no amount of reading will help me to truly transcend or escape from the total domination of those banalities. +--- 21951016 +>>21950492 (OP) +There is a great fallacy that pervades almost every intellectual culture in human history: the assumption that the grandeur of an idea makes it "more true" than other ideas. This is a fallacy of logic, since the trueness of a proposition is different from how interesting or "profound" it is. This leads to almost everyone assuming that an "ultimate truth" of reality, or society, or this, or that, must be something profound, something Godly or beautiful, and they become dissatisfied with anything more modest, so they constantly seek something "better". This assumption unfortunately drives many contemporary discussions in all liberal arts, leading people to reject many decent ideas in hope for a perfect one, as it has for all of human history. You probably believe in this fallacy too. That's why you studied more liberal arts like philosophy or politics, instead of using that time to study something more mundane (yet useful) like gardening or carpentry or machining or designing or something practical. By seeking the "greatest" idea, you'll miss out on the multitude of decent ideas, and waste all your time in the end. +--- 21951026 +>>21950492 (OP) +You grew up. You were young and naive and now less so. This is a profitable experience even if it's a bitter pill to swallow at first. Some ideas are applicable to reality directly. They can be translated into actions. Other ideas are so general and abstract that they bear no relation you any given individual's experience. It's unreasonable to ask of such ideas that they behave like magic. Simply become a more practical person and stop being so idealistic. Doing so does not devalue general ideas , but it cuts them down to size. +--- 21951035 +>>21951016 +More examples of mundane topics: history, legal studies, accounting, investing, chemistry, nutrition science, economics, math, I mean shit the list goes on; you get the point. The way I see it, the liberal arts (fine arts, literature, philosophy, political theory, fiction), which I'll just call "literature", are only so useful for two things: 1. Proposing how you can get what you want, 2. Showing you how to articulate and thus reliably remind yourself of the limitations of literature. +--- 21951138 +Man, for a board dedicated to literature, /lit/ seems extremely cynical about the process of reading. +--- 21952742 +>>21950635 +I second the request for recommended reading +--- 21952898 +>>21950492 (OP) +Take the schizopill (warning: moderate your dosage) and bruteforce enlightenment by presuming an epiphany exists before it has any tangible details or substance at all. +--- 21952986 +>>21951016 +I understand the fallacy you're describing well enough. It's part of why I feel the way I do. What I don't understand is why you put the practical skills are in the same category as the kind of "wisdom" one could gain from literature. It's obvious why carpentry might be useful in an instrumental sense, but I don't see how it could be a substitute for reading Seneca or something like that. +--- 21953046 +>>21951007 +When I started working I had an overwhelming sense of "this will stifle me", and it was true. Aside from the effects of the monotony of work dulling cognition, the greater issue is the more thorough socialization, of being forced outside yourself, to become someone suited to your environment. +When I first started I was very shy and introverted, and to a degree that's still true, but I think something of value that was lost was a sense of embarrassment. I recall vividly a sense of my cheeks flushing under numerous circumstances - now that doesn't happen, and I just roll with the situation. It's a feeling I miss because now the world and my place in it feels more mundane, as though it's lost a sense of specialness where something could cause me to react on a physical level instead of merely acting out an infinitely rehersed performance. diff --git a/lit/21950580.txt b/lit/21950580.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..375830b83686daba1c9d3841f929bbbd583acdc4 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950580.txt @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +----- +--- 21950580 +What's her endgame? +--- 21950583 +>>21950580 (OP) +mogged by the true queen of classics +--- 21950591 +>>21950580 (OP) +Are there any other women and feminist interpreters in Classics? +--- 21950595 +>>21950580 (OP) +You just know she wouldn't be trying to destroy Western civilization if she looked like this instead +--- 21950596 +Historical revisionism ultimately +--- 21950599 +>>21950591 +There are tons. Academics make entire careers now lecturing about how Greece and Rome were actually run by women and super gay. They lie, obviously, but they get careers either way. +--- 21950834 +>>21950580 (OP) +Emily Wilson is a SPINCEL +--- 21950841 +>>21950834 +Spincel +I like it +--- 21950868 +>>21950599 +>gayreeks +>not super gay +o i am laffin +--- 21950978 +Emily Wilson takedown thread +https://twitter.com/dominbydigdug/status/1650243251843022850 +--- 21951211 +>>21950580 (OP) +She looks like Greta. +--- 21951223 +>>21950978 +I wish we lived in a world where these types of altar boy eunuchs could be content in sexless marriages and weekly church services rather than staring at computer screens all day and becoming "trad" mass shooters. +--- 21951238 +>>21951223 +Yeah, Audrey Hale and her ilk are outta control +--- 21951277 +>>21950834 +She has three kids retard +--- 21951297 +>>21951277 +So what, libtards call Musk an incel and he has kids as well. She's obviously a spiritual spincel +--- 21951311 +>>21951277 +Checked. I image sex with her would always be in the missionary position with her noiselessly staring at the ceiling making the same face as OP's pic. At the end she'd say "it's all done then? Alright, that's that" and turn on her side away from you, falling asleep immediately. +--- 21951333 +>>21951311 +>Tfw no freeuse mommy +--- 21951351 +>>21950591 +I’d rather not know. It’s the incels turn. +--- 21951362 +>>21951311 +Joke’s on her, that’s my fetish +--- 21951371 +>>21950868 +The Greeks did gay stuff. They weren’t as gay as we’ve been led to believe, but they did gay stuff. That’s not what’s being said though. What these academics insist though is that everything was gay everywhere all the time and being gay was celebrated and politics was gay and literature was gay and everything was gay and it was great. They’re just blatant lies. + +But anyway, the point was more about women than gay men. +--- 21951382 +>>21951371 +I think the Greeks were pretty homosexual, the problem is that homosexuality comes with an accepted culture here of promiscuity and liberal social values, which certainly the Greeks did not have. +--- 21951408 +>>21951371 +greeks were gay, super gay and the west fell when the jews tricked them into being straight +--- 21951440 +>>21951362 +She doesn't care either way. That's the real joke, +--- 21951489 +>>21951277 +>>21951311 +>>21951333 +Witnessed. +--- 21951491 +>>21951382 +They really weren’t. In fact, in most cases that we consider a gay person today it would’ve been shameful for a Greek to have been so. +--- 21951526 +>>21951491 +>ignore all the myths about eros between men and women +>ignore Greek's conceptualization of masculinity +>pretend Greeks would be marching in Pride parades in BDSM gear handing out cocklipops to kids +They're so tiresome. +--- 21951541 +I find her pretty sexy but when she reads from her own translation it's the funniest fucking thing + +The voices she does, lol. I'd recommend you look up some lectures she's done where she reads from The Odyssey +--- 21951784 +>>21950586 +Alternative Tyrone translation +--- 21952598 +>>21951311 +This is the face of someone who has never seen a penis in real life before. +--- 21952620 +>>21952598 +she needs a BBC +--- 21953653 +>>21951541 +>I find her pretty sexy +Bruh +--- 21953664 +>>21953653 +I like that she almost always goes bare armed to the shoulders +--- 21953673 +>>21953664 +Disgusting roastie flabby arms +--- 21953680 +Emily Wilson is cute and i really want her to be my wife +--- 21953683 +>>21953673 +Ah come on + +She's 52 as well +--- 21953699 +>>21951311 +lelftist women love anal. and nowadays sex is normalized and girls to atm all the time +--- 21953723 +>>21950595 +More women should look like that diff --git a/lit/21950712.txt b/lit/21950712.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2162a8fc63ecb41c34de017a837a3250a537bc77 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950712.txt @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +----- +--- 21950712 +I hate how hard it is to find obscure books on controversial matters for free and I assume many of you feel the same way, regardless of the content of literature it should be made easily accessable in the interest of intellectual freedom and the base curiosity of man. + +With that said the format of this thread is as follows: +List books that you believe to be obscure and that you want to read, please list only if you have 3 or more. With any good luck an anon will have what you seek and be charitable enough to help you out. + + +The books i'd like are: +The Work of All Ages: The Ongoing Plot to Rule the World from Biblical Times to the Present by Peter Christian + +World War Two Turning Points: The Secret Decisions, Forgotten Blunders, and Cover-Ups That Really Determined Its Outcome by Frank Joseph + +Classic Essays on the Jewish Question edited by Thomas Dalton + +Behind Communism: 1917–2020 Updated, Revised and Expanded by Frank L. Britton + +The Book of the Shulchan Aruch edited by Thomas Dalton + +Heresy in Twenty-First Century France A Case of Insubmission to the “Holocaust” Dogma by Georges M. Thiel + +Auschwitz: A Three-Quarter Century of Propaganda Origins, Development and Decline of the “Gas Chamber” Propaganda Lie by Carlo Mattogno + +The Holocaust: An Introduction: Exploring the Evidence by Thomas Dalton +--- 21950770 +>>21950712 (OP) +>should be made easily accessable in the interest of intellectual freedom +lmao +--- 21950852 +>>21950770 +What's funny? You support (((big publishers)))? +--- 21951083 +Reinhard Johannes Sorge, Gericht über Zarathustra +Emanuel Carnevali, A Hurried Man +Karl Wolfskehl, 1933: A Poem Sequence +Felix Noeggerath, Die Gedichte +Frederick Victor Branford, The White Stallion +Nicola Moscardelli, The Third State +William Baylebridge, This Vital Flesh +--- 21951218 +>>21950770 +I completely agree with OP – all books exposing jewish crimes should be made easily accessible. +--- 21951258 +Bump +--- 21951299 +why do nazis always pretend to care about intellectual freedom? +--- 21951303 +>>21951299 +Hey, who the fuck are you? +--- 21951314 +>>21951303 +the person you are talking to +--- 21951763 +>>21951299 +I'm not a nazi and I support intellectual freedom when it benefits me in some way. Wanting to read certain books doesn't make you a nazi anymore than wanting to read the quran makes you a muslim. +--- 21951775 +Fag thread for midwits. Fuck off +--- 21951802 +>>21950712 (OP) +Wrong board/website +Politely consider going back. +--- 21951809 +>>21951763 +>I'm not a nazi +>Wanting to read certain books doesn't make you a nazi +it does when nearly every book you've listed is about proving the holocaust was a hoax +>I support intellectual freedom when it benefits me +so you don't support intellectual freedom +--- 21952716 +>>21950712 (OP) +>controversial matters +fuck off /pol/ +--- 21952973 +>>21951809 +>it does when nearly every book you've listed is about proving the holocaust was a hoax +I possess the entire collection of sahih bukhari, sahih muslim, sunan abu dawud and many different copies of the quran. Owning these doesn't make me muslim, correct? + +>so you don't support intellectual freedom +In the abstract, with no limits? No, I don't support that. +--- 21953216 +>>21952973 +i genuinely don't understand why you keep pretending you're not a nazi or extremely antisemitic at the very least. you're not going to get canceled or lose your job or suffer any real consequences for owning up to it. this site is infested with nazis. this is your safe space. +--- 21953319 +Anyone find a copy of this LOTRs Fanfic? Its apart of a lawsuit + + +THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE KING +By Demetrious Polychron + +https://screenrant.com/lotr-rings-of-power-fanfiction-author-lawsuit/ +https://indiereader.com/book_review/the-fellowship-of-the-king/ diff --git a/lit/21950794.txt b/lit/21950794.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fc704872060e36437aac1f4d9071593ed65ef841 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950794.txt @@ -0,0 +1,56 @@ +----- +--- 21950794 +2023 haul +--- 21950804 +>>21950794 (OP) +Imagine filling your consciousness up with the thoughts of so many other men. You’re gay on a metaphysical level. +--- 21950820 +The thing with /lit/ is, if you fall for its memes, you're actually still reading good stuff. I mean yeah, you fell for the memes, hard, but the stuff we meme is actually pretty good so it's not that bad. + +Anyone knows if that Pessoa biography is any good? +--- 21950822 +>>21950794 (OP) +whoa, not a single good book. that takes talent. +--- 21950828 +>>21950794 (OP) +Your house looks big +--- 21950838 +>>21950804 +Yes +--- 21950890 +>>21950820 +I think the Pessoa bio is good, but there was one poster here when the book came out who claimed Zenith had a homo-crush on Pessoa thus negatively affecting the quality of the book. +--- 21950904 +>>21950890 +>Zenith had a homo-crush on Pessoa thus negatively affecting the quality of the book +Wow it's just the right book for me then! +--- 21950915 +>>21950794 (OP) +>t. psedu in their second year of Uni who just discovered jewish critical theory and has decided to go all in +--- 21950924 +>>21950890 +The writer claims Pessoa was a homosexual. Obvious projection. +--- 21951103 +>>21950794 (OP) +>Deleuze and Queer Theory +--- 21951306 +>>21950794 (OP) +all of this is great except for queer fucking 'theory' +--- 21951315 +>>21950794 (OP) +Coal +--- 21952916 +>>21950915 +None of this except maybe Benjamin is critical theory. +--- 21953136 +>>21950820 +I really don't use this board very much. It's filled with bigots I wish would off themselves. +--- 21953149 +>>21952916 +>maybe +Based uncertain retard +--- 21953649 +>>21950794 (OP) +left i've read +middle am reading +right to be read diff --git a/lit/21950795.txt b/lit/21950795.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c7e8f5f68565219fe1abb86af853dfe626e496ba --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950795.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 21950795 +>people only like Shakespeare because he's been shoved down everyone's throats. He was just a normal playwright. +Wrong, faggot, and I'll explain why people think this way. Shakespeare wasn't a genius AT writing plays, he was a genius WHO wrote plays. He was a once-in-a-millenium student of human behavior, but he was writing in a time and place when philosophy was the preserve of the religious and the nobility, so he rendered his observations into a timeless form (literature), of which theater was the only format available to him. He created works of beauty rather than of understanding because the era in which he lived wasn't primed for the sort of changes that understanding brings about. +He's the Newton of the humanities, whose vision was additive (rather than an Einstein whose vision departed from what came before). +People aren't interested in Shakespeare because they're interested in plays. They're interested in him because they're interested in genius. People who look to him for Joycian literary innovation are barking up the wrong tree, and it makes sense that they wouldn't appreciate him. +--- 21950819 +>>21950795 (OP) +Also, anti-Stratfordians are making the same mistake. They see a dozen masterpieces in different genres and assume that means they were authored by multiple people, because they don't understand that Shakespeare's genius wasn't formal or generic, it was in the study of the human condition. You can track the evolution of Shakespeare's dialectic relationship to the question of life, death, and meaning through the chronology of his plays, with Hamlet as the central axis. Thanks to that anon who recommended WH Auden's lectures, they're illuminating re: the relationship between Falstaff and Hamlet and many other things like that, though I think that Auden misconstrues some "failures" of Shakespeare which were in fact intended to produce mixed or self contradictory effects. Auden also would have benefited from the past century of scholarship which showed eg the lack of props and set dressing on Elizabethan stage, underscoring the similarity between eg the Forest of Arden and the court in As You Like It. +--- 21950823 +>>21950795 (OP) +Shakespeare was good when he was alive. Nowadays people like George Lucas and George RR Martin have perfected storytelling to an extend that Shakespeare could never hope to achieve. +You only like Shakespeare because you think it makes you look refined. In actuality, it makes you weird. +--- 21950826 +>>21950823 +God even the bait on this board is low effort these days. The +>any books that will teach me how to get laid? +posts must have driven off anybody with a brain +--- 21950829 +>>21950795 (OP) +--- 21950848 +Didn't care for Shakespeare until I was forced to read othello and saw that he made a jew trick a nigger into killing his coal-burning wife. Was funny +--- 21950872 +>>21950848 +Maybe literature isn’t for you, bud +--- 21950941 +What is the best companion to Hamlet? +--- 21950950 +>>21950941 +The WH auden lecture (in book form) and the Approaching Shakespeare podcast have served me well as I read through his body of work chronologically. +--- 21950981 +>>21950872 +kek, true +--- 21950982 +>>21950941 +Horatio. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are niggers +--- 21950985 +>>21950982 +Kek +--- 21951341 +>>21950872 +I read philosophy, not fairy tales. I'm neither a woman nor child +--- 21952108 +>>21950795 (OP) +>He created works of beauty rather than of understanding because the era in which he lived wasn't primed for the sort of changes that understanding brings about. He's the Newton of the humanities, whose vision was additive (rather than an Einstein whose vision departed from what came before). +This is more correct than you realize. +--- 21953484 +He's the Lebron James of literature. +--- 21953494 +>>21953484 +Could you give a de-negrified example? diff --git a/lit/21950833.txt b/lit/21950833.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..857b32a51d32564231f64c5721f4b68f88c19d67 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950833.txt @@ -0,0 +1,31 @@ +----- +--- 21950833 +Looking for a good translation for 'world as will and representation'. What would you guys recommend? +--- 21950856 +>>21950833 (OP) +Just read a summary, that’s what all philosophy students do anyways. Unless you’re doing a PhD on him, in which case congratulations on your future career as an Uber driver or Starbucks barista. +--- 21950870 +>>21950856 +Is WAWAR actually worth a read 100% serious no bullshit? Will I get anything major out of it that can't be summarized? +--- 21950931 +>>21950870 +No philosophy book is “worth the read” unless you’re doing a PhD on it. The opinions of all your favorite neurotic, long dead pseudointellectual social rejects have been summarized in secondary sources much more concisely. + +Unless you read philosophy for the “prose” or because you want to seem smart, there’s no reason to actually read what this fag wrote himself. +--- 21951049 +>>21950870 +Yes, it is a pretty good text, very clearly written, a neat mixture of Plato, Kant, and the Upanishads, often going beyond the mere theoretical into the practical, an affirmation of the ultimate value of beauty etc. + +I don't know who it is translated by but read the recent Cambridge edition with the red cover. Ignoring the tripfag is a perennial 4chan truth. +--- 21952020 +>>21950931 +>No philosophy book is “worth the read” unless you’re doing a PhD on it. +Ignore this faggot OP. Kys tripfag. +--- 21952050 +>>21950856 +>>21950931 +Imagine being this much of an attention whore. +Kill yourself. +--- 21953124 +>>21950833 (OP) +The Cambridge edition. Volume 2 of it was finally uploaded to libgen a month ago. diff --git a/lit/21950906.txt b/lit/21950906.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fdfe11013e1ef42cd1289209cc58d6a26ddd5f32 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950906.txt @@ -0,0 +1,46 @@ +----- +--- 21950906 +The greatest thing ever written +--- 21950937 +>aaaaiieeeeeeeeeeeeee is that a complete lack of punctuation I'm going insane +joyce fuckin blows +--- 21950942 +>yes and those handsome Moors +The line that broke /lit/ +--- 21950991 +>>21950906 (OP) +I've never read Joyce before but I don't think this is hard to read, it's quite fun actually, might give it a shot +--- 21951029 +This is incredible. I have tried to read Joyce a few times but I was too dumb to follow it. This is magnificent +--- 21951102 +>>21950906 (OP) +>O and the sea the sea crimson sometimes like fire and the glorious sunsets and the figtrees in the Alameda gardens yes and all the queer little streets and pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gib- raltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going +like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes. + +That's such a beautiful line +--- 21951151 +>>21950906 (OP) +It is ecstatic. I truly this is the greatest novel ever written and will never be bettered +--- 21951160 +h..how do you read that? it goes like an avalanche in my brain +--- 21951196 +>>21950906 (OP) +That and the kettle excerpt are all you need to prove Joyce's genius. +--- 21951197 +>>21950906 (OP) +to avoild lens blur you have to hold the phone farther from the text, and then crop the photo. +--- 21951401 +>>21950906 (OP) +No, this is. +--- 21951442 +>>21951197 +>implying the lens blur wasn't intentional to impart the intended effect of being carried away in a blur of memory and emotions +give OP some respect +--- 21951808 +>>21951401 +>>21951442 +holy fuck my eyes I'm poonctoooooating hard +--- 21952785 +>>21951401 +Great work of literature. +On a side note... I may or may not have ejaculated when I read this passage. diff --git a/lit/21950910.txt b/lit/21950910.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f86c770b6c8dbc9d0875d4347716447cbd93e733 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950910.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 21950910 +Something that helps us understand the market/wisdom of crowds/importance of individual action ... but absolutely not Ayn Rand because she's trash and I will not read another sentence written by her. + +The goal is not to find ideological writings. The goal is to find good writings that Austrians would appreciate. +--- 21950929 +Man Without Qualities +--- 21951446 +>>21950910 (OP) +>Austrian master cock reporting in +The Last Days of Mankind by Kraus +--- 21951449 +>>21950910 (OP) +The Bible. +--- 21952666 +>>21950929 +>>21951446 +>Austrian +thanks +>>21951449 +Everyone's favorite book +--- 21952671 +>>21950929 +Retard +--- 21952693 +>>21950910 (OP) +>Fiction that Austrian economists would appreciate? +American OPs are truly despicable. + +>>21950929 +kek +--- 21952711 +>>21952693 +>American OP +Swing and a miss +--- 21952999 +Roderick Long has a series of lectures on Austrian themes on Karel Capek, Kafka, and Jaroslav Hasek on YouTube. They don't cover the topics the exact topic you are looking for, but do have some hayekian themes of tacit knowledge. Check out the lectures if you're curious, be warned he isn't the most charismatic lecturer, but definitely check out his writings if you're unfamiliar with his written work. He has a lot on libertarian philosophy. If none of those strike your fancy, there lots of old libertarian sci-fi to dive into. +--- 21953160 +>>21952999 +Thanks based anon. Yeah I’ve never understood why the Venn diagram circle for libertarians is almost completely contained within the Venn diagram circle for sci-fi enjoyers. Ofc both are typically autists, but that seems to not capture all of it. diff --git a/lit/21950986.txt b/lit/21950986.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..477a0601f19574695c92119b3e519775fe322203 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21950986.txt @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +----- +--- 21950986 +>solves the eternal debate on what is the difference between man and animal +>gets zero credit for it +>will probably die off in the next decate because they have no one left that can change the essential parts of the codebases + +I feel like other mediums get zero appreciation for offering or approaching solutions to ideas people have been talking about in literature or philosophy. +--- 21950995 +>>21950986 (OP) +Animals are those that play League. +--- 21950996 +>>21950986 (OP) +DUNE already did that you DUNcE +--- 21951000 +>>21950996 +I haven't read dune tho. +--- 21951107 +>>21950996 +Cordwainer Smith did it better. +--- 21951221 +>>21950986 (OP) +Imagine thinking league is better than Dota2. +--- 21951229 +>>21951221 +Define better. I'll wait. +--- 21951616 +>>21951229 +I played league, for years. Played dota only once. Yeah, he is right, dota is better. +--- 21951803 +>"But, on the whole," continues our eloquent Professor, "Man is a Tool-using Animal (Handthierendes Thier). Weak in himself, and of small stature, he stands on a basis, at most for the flattest-soled, of some half-square foot, insecurely enough; has to straddle out his legs, lest the very wind supplant him. Feeblest of bipeds! Three quintals are a crushing load for him; the steer of the meadow tosses him aloft, like a waste rag. Nevertheless he can use Tools; can devise Tools: with these the granite mountain melts into light dust before him; he kneads glowing iron, as if it were soft paste; seas are his smooth highway, winds and fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without Tools; without Tools he is nothing, with Tools he is all." +>Here may we not, for a moment, interrupt the stream of Oratory with a remark, that this Definition of the Tool-using Animal appears to us, of all that Animal-sort, considerably the precisest and best? Man is called a Laughing Animal: but do not the apes also laugh, or attempt to do it; and is the manliest man the greatest and oftenest laugher? Teufelsdrockh himself, as we said, laughed only once. Still less do we make of that other French Definition of the Cooking Animal; which, indeed, for rigorous scientific purposes, is as good as useless. Can a Tartar be said to cook, when he only readies his steak by riding on it? Again, what Cookery does the Greenlander use, beyond stowing up his whale-blubber, as a marmot, in the like case, might do? Or how would Monsieur Ude prosper among those Orinoco Indians who, according to Humboldt, lodge in crow-nests, on the branches of trees; and, for half the year, have no victuals but pipe-clay, the whole country being under water? But, on the other hand, show us the human being, of any period or climate, without his Tools: those very Caledonians, as we saw, had their Flint-ball, and Thong to it, such as no brute has or can have. +>"Man is a Tool-using Animal," concludes Teufelsdrockh, in his abrupt way; "of which truth Clothes are but one example: and surely if we consider the interval between the first wooden Dibble fashioned by man, and those Liverpool Steam-carriages, or the British House of Commons, we shall note what progress he has made. He digs up certain black stones from the bosom of the earth, and says to them, Transport me and this luggage at the rate of file-and-thirty miles an hour; and they do it: he collects, apparently by lot, six hundred and fifty-eight miscellaneous individuals, and says to them, Make this nation toil for us, bleed for us, hunger and, sorrow and sin for us; and they do it." +pretty much settled the debate in 1830. idk what lego legends has to do with it +--- 21952286 +>>21951229 +More complex and nuanced. You have more freedom for creativity in lane. You have other options than to sit in lane. Laning phase isn’t 20+ minutes long. Fights last longer allowing for more skill expression. Flexible character builds. All hero’s are free. Better graphical design. I’m not even joking when I say it’s better in every regard. I played league for 8 years back in the day and will never touch it again. + +>League = YA + +>Dota2 = Don Quixote. + +There is a reason why grubby went to dota2 and not LOL. Many such cases. The skill ceiling is also higher. +--- 21952536 +How is this literature related again? +--- 21952583 +>>21951221 +Both are shit but at least one has good coombait. +--- 21952587 +>>21952286 +This nigga actually played mobas lmao +they are only good for the porn retard +--- 21953047 +>>21952587 +Dota2 is not just a MOBA. It is chess on steroids and is a game fit for demigods. It is an art. Dota2 is the greatest game crafted by humanity to date and allows a man to engage his full creative faculties in a controlled, abstract strategy simulation. Its Jungian aesthetic allows the deepest facets of a man's spirit to come to life in full force against his fellow players, creating an experience full of life's nuance and creative potential packed into an allegory of light versus dark. + +Each character is an archetype of the human soul; the fragmented Steppenwolf in digital expression. Each item represents the deepest lore, born from the primal creative forces of the human imagination. You don’t just play Dota2. Dota2 plays you. It allows you a space to act with pure spontaneity, with too many variables for stagnation to be possible. + +You want to be a wizard with 14 spells? Possess Invoker. You want to be a goblin who has 5 separate controllable personages? Possess Meepo--no—become him. Or embody the squirrel or the essence of flames. Become the storm or pure chaos. Become pure light or the essence of nature. + +What will you do with this reincarnation? Will you reach the greater spheres of divine or immortal, or will you remain base and chaotic, formless and without order? Will you allow the darkness of the culture to consume you, or will your intelligence allow you to rise beyond your peers in the visceral battle of the ancients? diff --git a/lit/21951032.txt b/lit/21951032.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8873bb5ac0526b8d5c2be53cb24ff0c531c2ebb8 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951032.txt @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +----- +--- 21951032 +I don't understand what this guy is getting at. Can someone help? +--- 21951039 +Read Deleuze's 'What is Philosophy?', most of Laruelle is a rip off of that +--- 21951040 +>>21951039 +I don't really get Deleuze either +--- 21951057 +>>21951040 +Idk if you've read Capitalism and Schizophrenia or something but WiP is a pretty simple text overall, more clearly written than most of Deleuze's work (it was a very 'popular' text in France even among non-philosophers for its readability). And of course much easier than anything that Laruelle the supreme obscurantist has wrote. +--- 21951063 +>>21951057 +I tried reading Thousand Plateaus but I just didn't get it. +--- 21951071 +>>21951063 +Yes thats from Capitalism and Schizophrenia, one of his most obscure texts. Give WiP a go and report back. You only need to even read the first half on philosophy proper and skip the parts on the sciences and the arts. +--- 21951081 +>>21951071 +WIP is literally Capitalism and Schizophrenia Volume III +--- 21951086 +>deleuzenigger trying to hijack a based laruelle thread + +I'll let the master speak for himself + +>Thus all contemporary philosophy of Difference offers despite everything a strangely Platonizing spectacle: the interminable procession of the most communal entities, Being, Nothingness, Desire, Power, Language, Text, raising themselves up from the ground of experience each in turn like shades at once bloodless and laden with chains, trying to lift themselves in infinite file towards a mirage of the One where they would believe themselves capable of being regenerated and saved from empirical hell as at a wellspring of life. It is truly a bizarre and certainly Quite 'philosophical' merry-go-round, philosophical because it is simultaneously ascending and descending and playing itself out finally in a circle and in place. As if these larvae wished, by their hesitations, their stumblings, their skiddings, the allure of their approach continually spoiled, to abandon the weighty forms of being or non-being in order to yield and sink into their limit, to abandon their determined forms of existence, to prove to themselves that they still exist when in truth they exist only as fleeting larvae on the earth. They seek the One precisely because they have not found it, and they will never find anything but their own hallucination. They neither find nor become anything other than what they already are: them-'selves'. +--- 21951169 +>>21951081 +Ok lets take an excerpt from WiP at random and one from A Thousand Plateaus at random + +WiP: +"There is not the slightest reason for thinking that modes of existence need transcen- dent values by which they could be compared, selected, and judged relative to one another. On the contrary, there are only immanent criteria. A possibility of life is evaluated through itself in the movements it lays out and the intensities it creates on a plane of immanence: what is not laid out or created is rejected. A mode of existence is good or bad, noble or vulgar, complete or empty, independently of Good and Evil or any transcendent value: there are never any criteria other than the tenor of existence, the intensification of life. Pascal and Kierkegaard, who were familiar with infinite movements, and who extracted from the Old Testament new conceptual personae able to stand up to Socrates, were well aware of this. Kierkegaard's "knight of the faith," he who makes the leap, or Pascal's gambler, he who throws the dice, are men of a transcendence or a faith. But they constantly recharge immanence: they are philosophers or, rather, inter- cessors, conceptual personae who stand in for these two phi- losophers and who are concerned no longer with the tran- scendent existence of God but only with the infinite imma- nent possibilities brought by the one who believes that God exists." + +ATP: +"Above all, diagrammaticism should not be confused with an operation of the axiomatic type. Far from drawing creative lines of flight and conju- gating traits of positive deterritorialization, axiomatics blocks all lines, subordinates them to a punctual system, and halts the geometric and alge- braic writing systems that had begun to run off in all directions. This hap- pened in relation to the question of indeterminism in physics: a "reorder- ing" was undertaken to reconcile it with physical determinism. Mathemat- ical writing systems were axiomatized, in other words, restratified, resemiotized, and material flows were rephysicalized. It is as much a politi- cal as a scientific affair: science must not go crazy. Hilbert and de Broglie were as much politicians as scientists: they reestablished order. An axiomatization, a semiotization, a physicalization, is not a diagram but in fact the opposite of a diagram. The program of a stratum, against the dia- gram of the plane of consistency. This does not, however, preclude the diagram's heading back down the road to escape and scattering new, singu- lar abstract machines (the mathematical creation of improbable functions was carried out in opposition to axiomatization, and the material inven- tion of unfindable particles in opposition to physicalization). " + +Notice a difference of writing style? + +>>21951086 +>says literally nothing +--- 21951193 +>>21951169 +fuck off nigger go become-toaster-in-the-bathtub nigger +--- 21951224 +I’ll try to explain in a little while OP, he’s definitely a valuable thinker but I don’t think he should have that kind of general interest or meme interest, very specific project. I’ll elaborate later. +--- 21951240 +>>21951169 +no they're equally embarrassing and intellectually impotent styles +--- 21951252 +>>21951169 +>phoneposting +Yikes +--- 21951896 +>>21951032 (OP) +I've never read Laruelle, but time ago I found an interveiw in which he said that he doesn't like to give examples about what he is talking about, so all is work is pure philosophical discourse - which, I believe, may be written exactly as that quote-copy-pasta from Ray Brassier. +--- 21951928 +>>21951896 +The whole section on Laruelle in Nihil Unbound is a lot easier to follow than Laruelle himself +--- 21952324 +>>21951928 +>get BTFO out of being taken seriously as philosophers +>go full sour grapes about how philosophy sucks +lol +--- 21952336 +>>21952324 +I dont think you are accurately interpreting that passage bucko. Laruelle claims to have moved beyond philosophy(something a lot of philosophers like to claim kek) but Brassier is saying that he's actually making a valid but limited point about the structure of (many) philosophical propositions. Brassier wants to integrate this into a larger context of "nihilist" threads of modern philosophy, but he makes sure to state when hes disagreeing with how Laruelle views things, so the chapter functions as a good introduction to Laruelle. +--- 21952374 +Only Eschenmeyer can help you now. +--- 21952713 +>>21952336 +im not trying to interpret that "passage" because its cringey seeing grown men embarrass themselves like that +--- 21952757 +>>21952713 +Why are you using scare quotes on the word passage, and what do you find embarrassing about Brassier or Laruelle? You're not even correct about either of them being some kind of outsiders to academia. +--- 21952772 +>>21952757 +>Laruelle +> described by Brassier as "the most important unknown philosopher working in Europe today" +>unknown philosopher +huh +>Brassier +>Professor at a non-PhD granting department in fucking Lebanon +yeah they sound like outsiders to me. +--- 21952784 +>>21952772 +They were still part of academia. Why are you so unpleasant and snarky? +--- 21952838 +>>21952784 +im not being snarky i'm doing non-politeness. it's actually a really complicated and deep concept but it's definitely different than not being polite. it'd take me like 500 pages to explain it and even then it'd be a really weird bad explanation but it definitely has something to do with the deep wisdom of heidegger and the representation of the representation of being-in-not-doingness. +--- 21952846 +>>21952838 +You're being passive aggressive and slimy. Non polite is just calling me a faggot or idiot or whatever +--- 21953108 +>>21952846 +no, that's a common mistake stemming from a nihilistic thread of modern posting. +--- 21953114 +>>21953108 +This is why people dont like you +--- 21953188 +>>21952838 +>le baffled twitter retard +Fuck off +--- 21953208 +>>21953114 +imagine getting so butthurt that people make fun of your pseud idols +--- 21953530 +>>21951224 +Sir? +--- 21953544 +>>21952772 +>department in fucking Lebanon +Based Brassier diff --git a/lit/21951200.txt b/lit/21951200.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..19b2dee12e26581526b42b437247e97205b339e6 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951200.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 21951200 +I LOVE reading my own prose! It's awesome writing feeling like you're saying nothing! Yes, I do love feelings of inferiority in comparison to my favorite writers! What boring fluff and drivel will i compose today?! + +Any writers know this feel? +--- 21952062 +>>21951200 (OP) +I love trigun so much +--- 21952069 +>>21951200 (OP) +Can't relate, I'm a narcissist. So everything I write sounds great to me. +--- 21952224 +>>21951200 (OP) +I think you should be less hard on yourself anon. Just recognize your mistakes and strive to do better. +--- 21952450 +>>21951200 (OP) +I bet you cook your own meals too. +--- 21952547 +>>21951200 (OP) +I don't know about you, but I look forward to the day I have a completed work turned into an audiobook. Going to bed while someone with an above-average voice reads my own story to me is the dream. diff --git a/lit/21951265.txt b/lit/21951265.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cb4f49a47c53d4ce0dbc7e3fdfd0bc9e0c6ff862 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951265.txt @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +----- +--- 21951265 +what's the Ulysses of today? +--- 21951266 +As in, Homer's epic? +--- 21951267 +>>21951265 (OP) +The Avengers Endgame +--- 21951350 +>>21951265 (OP) +Ulysses + +The things of their age are the same things now of this age. Get used to it. Done reading yet? Fine. Go outside now. +--- 21951352 +>>21951350 +Ulysses is set in 1904. So, if there would be a "Ulysses of today" it would need to take place, at least, from 2010 onwards. +--- 21951372 +>>21951352 +And all the Beatles songs are about the 1950s and 60s. They’re still those songs of today and you cannot ever have the Beatles of today or later. +GET USED TO IT +--- 21951375 +>>21951265 (OP) +Liking Ulysses just means you’re pretentious and likely enjoy cock up the ass. +--- 21951389 +>>21951372 +We are not discussing that. You can consume things of other times, sure. Now, OP is asking if there's something like Ulysses but from our modern time. It's not that hard to get, is it? +--- 21951392 +>>21951372 +>>21951350 + +What are you talking about? Are you saying that, since we live after the publication of Ulysses, the Ulysses of today is Ulysses? + +OP is asking if there is a contemporary novel that is comparable to Joyce's Ulysses. + +How about this? What's the Ulysses of pre-1920. And don't say "the serialized version of Ulysses." +--- 21951406 +>>21951392 +He's saying there's no perfect equivalents. It's not how art works. There's no Ulysses of today. +--- 21951412 +>>21951389 +No. There isn’t. There never is. +Alan Moore’s Jerusalem is its thing. Alasdair Gray’s Lanark is its own thing. Stop looking for same but new shit. The more alike a contemporary Ulysses can be, the more shit it will be. Look for the new, or read the old. That’s it. +--- 21951423 +>>21951392 +Nothing is comparable unless it is shit paraphrased. Can you just imagine the uselessness of rewriting Ulysses paraphrased? +--- 21951468 +>>21951406 +>>21951412 + +Surely the question is not about perfect equivalents, just comparables. Yes, every work is individual and unique, I agree, but there are works that are in dialogue with one another or are similar. + +If someone asked for a modern T.S. Eliot, to say J.H. Prynne or Kamau Braithwaite is not to take away the individuality of Eliot or underestimate Prynne or Braithwaite. + +>>21951423 + +Nothing is comparable? Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot are not comparable? Again, things can be similar and you can discuss things that are alike without compromising them. +--- 21951476 +>>21951468 +Comparable how? What should today's Ulysses have? +--- 21951498 +>>21951468 +There’s a reason genre fiction is bad, full of tropes, everything tired and six+ volumes worth of it to complete the half thought the author had. +This desire to get equivalent works so you can have that same shot to the arm. +--- 21951519 +>>21951476 + +Well that's the game that OPs prompt is trying to get us to play. It's the same kind of question as "I liked book x, can you recommend me a book comparable to book x." + +I think you're missing the "yes and" principle here. + +If you don't think there's a comparable just say, "I don't think there's a Ulysses of today. No book has captured x, y, z qualities since" + +>>21951498 + +I agree with you there, but saying two works are comparable is different. Joyce's "Ulysses" and Woolf's "Mrs. Dalloway" are comparable and both are good +--- 21951576 +>>21951519 +>Well that's the game that OPs prompt is trying to get us to play. It's the same kind of question as "I liked book x, can you recommend me a book comparable to book x." +Yea, I was also thinking about that. I don't like those threads. Similar how? The influence, the literary game, the difficulty, the prose? What? Faggots like that should just re-read. +--- 21951632 +>>21951576 + +Yeah I agree that most of those threads are pretty lazy and the majority of the posters probably will never read any of the recommendations they're given. This thread is at least more interesting, in that it makes you draw comparisons more explicitly. + +I also don't want to be too harsh. If we were talking in another context, this question would probably seem pretty normal. "Hey, I like x band, can you recommend me similar bands?" Or "Who are the Beatles of today" seem pretty standard questions. +--- 21951646 +zettels traum obviously +--- 21952530 +My Diary, desu. +--- 21952537 +>>21951646 +Zettels Traum was written decades ago, anon +--- 21952551 +>>21951646 +Retard. You don’t even own Arno’s books +--- 21952582 +>>21951375 +I feel personally attacked by this post. +--- 21952715 +>>21951265 (OP) +Well, Joyce raped the english language; there's no way back from it. In this sense I agree with >>21951350 +--- 21952735 +>>21951265 (OP) +Nothing with Ducks in the title is fit to sniff Ulysses’s shit +--- 21952795 +>>21952551 +>not owning Arno books +wew +--- 21952800 +>>21952795 +Yes, that’s the you. Since you clearly just discovered ZT if you recommend it ITT +--- 21952808 +I wiped my ass earlier today. Assuming that paper still exists in some kind of semi-cohesive form, I'm gonna say that. +--- 21952892 +>>21952537 +You want an “equivalent” that’s it. +--- 21952927 +>>21952800 +What can you tell us about Zettels Traum? +--- 21953504 +>>21951372 +I'm not talkin bout the beatles song written a hundred years before I was born. They're all talkin bout the round and round, but who's got the real anti-parent culture sound? (There's only one nation of ulysses) diff --git a/lit/21951270.txt b/lit/21951270.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9efa98036353f66386e7b21cf5b9e670b1784c45 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951270.txt @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +----- +--- 21951270 +Books that deal with hatred and specifically how to transmute it into a driving force. +--- 21951391 +>>21951270 (OP) +This post is pathognomonic of the condition that plagues the average littroglodyte. Improper socialization, with futile attempts to correct it by reading the words of pseudointellectuals of another century. + +Maybe if you did some soul searching, in (You)rself, you would figure out why you’re seething with impotent rage and what to do about it. Stop distracting yourself with nonsense. Get it together or fucking die and stop shitting up the board. +--- 21952768 +>>21951391 +based +--- 21952777 +>>21951391 +btfo +--- 21952980 +>>21951391 +>littroglodyte +I've seen this "word" multiple times in the last few days and I don't think I've ever seen it before this week. +My borderline paranoia inclines me to think that there are other parties forcing this specific term to malign people on this board. + +I'm here to talk about books, or read posts from people talking about books. You're here for the purpose of negatively typifying a general community of people on this board. +Maybe read Pessoa and then kill yourself. +--- 21953051 +>>21951270 (OP) +hatred is a sucker punch. One big, powerful initial explosion of energy, then its gone. The meme quotes that go like +>hatred fuels me +or whatever are poison for your mind. If you're actually "fueled" by hatred and spite, you're just going to leave a ton of half-finished trash in your wake. +--- 21953298 +>>21951391 +uh… based namefag? diff --git a/lit/21951283.txt b/lit/21951283.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f4ef31f585da4722d02e21645a7bdfb4f83c49c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951283.txt @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +----- +--- 21951283 +How can you guys miss the point of Blood Meridian so hard? +--- 21951293 +>>21951283 (OP) +This was already posted today by a different terminally online, social media addicted, rightist snowflake rage baiter + +Sage goes on the options field, fyi anons +--- 21952225 +>>21951283 (OP) +>crime against humanity +name a more liberal, middle class concept +--- 21952232 +>>21951283 (OP) +Capitalize White when referring to European peoples or I will not read your sentences. +--- 21952241 +>>21951283 (OP) +Very queer indeed, but why are you posting not only Twitter threads but BM threads? +--- 21952243 +>>21951283 (OP) +why do all leftist sound like they are snivelling when they talk, do tehy want to be pitied or do they just want to be put out of their fucking misery. le biopolitical clientele for the managerial state andf the democratic party +--- 21952244 +>>21952232 +The terms white and black should never be capitalized, tranny. +--- 21952254 +>>21952244 +>don't capitalize ethnic groups! +I'm a White man, and you're a broken black buck. Language is warfare, grammar belongs to those who have the balls to shape it as they wish. Either fight the good fight and shape this living language, or lay down like a dog and die. +--- 21952289 +>>21952254 +You don't understand shit about language, american pig. +--- 21952303 +>>21952289 +Nice cope, but your precious saintly rules of engagement when it comes to writing is complete bullshit that wont exist 100 years from now, it all exists to make communication easier and more effective. And the choice whether to write "White men" or "white bois" communicates something clearly. If you decide to fall into the camp of those who use the latter instead of the former, you out yourself as an enemy. +--- 21952304 +>>21952254 +>don't capitalize ethnic groups! +Those are just skin colors, not ethnic groups. I will never capitalize any word when referring to niggers. Dilate. +--- 21952309 +>>21952304 +>white people like don't even heckin exist, guize, it's just made up! +White people are real and you're actively engaging in the propaganda of those that want to exterminate them. +--- 21952321 +>>21952309 +Your brain has been deep-fried on twitter propaganda, white-nigger. Kys +--- 21952323 +>>21952243 + +The same reason I have to add an upward inflection to my voice when speaking to women or faggots at work so they don't think I'm going to murder them +--- 21952327 +>>21951283 (OP) +>How can you guys miss the point of Blood Meridian so hard? +Wigger Archon Grievance templates relieve one from the burden of actually knowing or thinking anything, Skinner Box maxxing. At least plateau with an anprim anti-tech reading. +--- 21952329 +>>21951283 (OP) +>blood meridian +>American atrocities in vietnam +--- 21952359 +>>21952327 +but the empathy and basic human decency! hw can you be so mean and lack so much empathy before thepolitically correct victimhood groupsthe discomfort 'political correctness gone mad' makes you feel acknowledging white privilege sstructural racism and the continuing effects of white supremacy is not even one billionth of the humilliation queer people or people of color go through every instant of their existence in a cisheteropatriarchal white supremacist society. Yes i am a SJW, i am an antifascist, a feminist killjoy and the postmodern neomarxist jordan peterson warned you about, I would burn every last page of the western cannon if it meant ending racism and sexism, and no this is not radical, but the least that should be expected of a decent empathetic human being. +--- 21952369 +>>21952321 +Cope. +--- 21952383 +>>21951283 (OP) +what do leftists even believe except performative white guilt and mutilating children? their fundamental ideology is paternalistic claming there needs to be an all powerful state that can prevent people lapsing into'' fascism'' +--- 21952387 +>>21952383 +leftists or liberals? +--- 21952427 +>>21951283 (OP) +Did this guy forget the parts where the red indians scalp people and throw dogs into fires? +--- 21952434 +>>21952387 +same difference, leftists are just more strident liberals by this point +--- 21952440 +>>21952327 +But anti tech is implicitly white supremacist, you just hate technology because technology helps us locate the causes of racism in unconscious brain reflexes and target them through a combination of decolonial healing and scientific social engineering +--- 21952442 +>>21952427 +Brown people think it's okay when brown people do evil things because their morality is "Brown=Good, White=Bad" that's it. No action a brown person takes can ever be viewed as evil, no action a White person takes can ever be viewed as good. +--- 21952466 +>Blood Meridian is a book criticizing crimes against humanity committed by whites +imagine having an IQ this low. +--- 21953668 +I love how mutts turned ethnic based racism into skin color racism because they have no fucking clue what their mystery juice DNA actually consists of. +--- 21953678 +>>21951283 (OP) +BM has homoeroticism? I might need to read that tripe now. +--- 21953711 +>>21951283 (OP) +>Vietnam +I thought it was based on something else +--- 21953714 +>>21953678 +The meme is saying red dead redemption has the gay stuff +--- 21953753 +>>21951283 (OP) +this is like Freud reading Chud Meridian and interpreting it as the Judge isn't having a normal one because he can't admit he wants to fuck his mother diff --git a/lit/21951287.txt b/lit/21951287.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..2209bc88199bd6954ad7dccaeef1dfab1c22f8f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951287.txt @@ -0,0 +1,43 @@ +----- +--- 21951287 +This is my favorite book AMA +--- 21951323 +Are you a 7/10 woman looking for love in the Balkans? +--- 21951348 +>>21951323 +No. I live in New England which is why I like the book +--- 21951404 +Got bored like 130 pages in, should I finish it? +--- 21951405 +>>21951287 (OP) +what other books do you like +--- 21951418 +>>21951405 +I like "Metaphysics of War" By Julius Evola and "The Storm of Steel" by Ernst Junger. +--- 21951431 +>>21951287 (OP) +Are you a homosexual man or a woman? +--- 21951453 +>>21951287 (OP) +this is my go-to book if I want to impress an arthoe +--- 21951456 +>>21951287 (OP) +what is your douching routine like +--- 21951470 +>>21951431 +No. +>>21951453 +Really? +>>21951456 +Don’t have one, don’t know what that is +--- 21951688 +>>21951404 +The beginning explains the name of book, bc protagonist invents himself for self promotion in (undefined) 'society'. But hes kinda beating around the bush until the ultimate aim of his becomes a mystical "higher class" instructor of "greek studies". This is where i nod my head and start getting excited about homoerotic engagement "just like in ancient greece" bc my music teacher was the same kind of person, he tought me a lot and etc etc... but this lead goes nowhere as now the focus is tuned to closeted study group of "higher class" greek larpers. I never pictured myself how an average "start with the greeks" shill would look like, until the moment i read that. Btw this was kind of an eye opener bc in an institute where i had worked there was a secretive vampire biker group who shared fascination on Dionysus, Nietzsche and paganism with which i never got involved bc saw them infantile. +I hoped for more "dark academia" stuff but all the good powder was spent in the first part of book and there's really nothing to be said of second part except ... but im no misogynist so i'd rather not. +--- 21952704 +>>21951688 +Title of the book may also be a reference to Procopius’ work of the same name, particularly since he discusses the concept of Justinian being possessed in a manner similar to the students when they perform the Dionysian ritual in Tartt’s book. Smoke less pot and spend less time on the internet; you seem scatter-brained. +--- 21952744 +>>21951688 +>there's really nothing to be said of second part except +No, go on. If there's a twist coming.. diff --git a/lit/21951301.txt b/lit/21951301.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9c8fdd6da5a9816f61836c80d7ef5ab1c7f3dd12 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951301.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 21951301 +What /lit/-approved books does she read? +Post other fictional characters and their favourite books. +--- 21951338 +>>21951301 (OP) +Bocci in da box +Is this how she can travel on the cheap? + +>what does jpop songwriter read +No. +--- 21951396 +>>21951301 (OP) +Fictional characters don’t really exist, therefore they don’t “read” anything. Delete your thread. +--- 21951537 +>>21951396 +>don’t really exist +Please do not say that. +--- 21951545 +>>21951301 (OP) +In the anime "Haruhi" she cannonically reads Hyperion +--- 21952409 +>>21951301 (OP) +Probably Kafka. +--- 21952422 +>>21951301 (OP) +--- 21953631 +>>21952422 +Bocchi is pretentious but not that pretentious. +--- 21953647 +>>21952409 +This, she would see herself as the bugman in metamorphosis. diff --git a/lit/21951340.txt b/lit/21951340.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..82d5330e93fd5aa9085b0865c62f1d7e532c852d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951340.txt @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +----- +--- 21951340 +>pile of books +>it's all trash +Is there a male equivalent of this? +--- 21951361 +>>21951340 (OP) +Complete works of Judd apatow +Manga +--- 21951365 +"12 Rules for Life" has to be in the pile. +--- 21951366 +>>21951340 (OP) +Sometimes I remember this guy who posted all the anti-Trump books he read. It was a decent sized tables with probably 100-300 books all stacked pretty high. It horrifies me to think on it. I can't imagine how how many lies and fanatic imaginations that person believes about Trump. The obsession is bizarre. +--- 21951369 +>>21951340 (OP) +Take a look at any stack thread +--- 21951370 +>>21951366 + +Anyone have the pic? That's hilarious +--- 21951378 +>>21951340 (OP) +the Western Canon +--- 21951383 +>>21951378 +yawn @ ur b8 +--- 21951518 +the male equivalent of these shitty romances would for sure be the self help books +barebones stuff, all copy paste each other, you gain nothing from reading them might would've been better off if you stared at a wall for 10 hours +--- 21951525 +>>21951340 (OP) +Self improvement sigma grindset investment crap +--- 21951532 +>>21951340 (OP) +Oh yeah. +Grisham, Baldacci, Clancy +--- 21951570 +>>21951340 (OP) +Jordan Peterson +Sam Harris +The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy +Chuck Palahniuk +--- 21951574 +>>21951570 +Moids btfod +--- 21951580 +Video games. +--- 21951700 +17 books about Operation Barbarossa +--- 21951712 +>>21951340 (OP) +It looks like this: >>21938366 → +--- 21951734 +>>21951340 (OP) +>>21950333 → +--- 21951761 +>>21951340 (OP) +Sports video games +--- 21951781 +>>21951734 +I started Gardens of the Moon and stopped after a hundred pages or so. All the place names and people or events im just learning about for the first time but are hamfisted in as though they are well established is really no worse than pages of mindless exposition dumping. Another /lit/ recommendation i regret +--- 21951788 +LOTR +--- 21951792 +>>21951340 (OP) +Yes. Just take a look: +>>21921346 → +--- 21951801 +>>21951734 +>>21951781 + +Both of you need to kill yourselfs +--- 21951829 +>>21951801 +>yourselfs +Ah yes its all coming together now +--- 21951835 +>>21951829 +>its +--- 21951848 +>>21951835 +Fuck +--- 21951862 +>>21951340 (OP) +>gets all his clothing from the same store +>doesn't have one coherent outfit +--- 21951868 +>>21951570 +>The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy +Okay, so you're just a troll. +--- 21952264 +>>21951366 +Yeah that’s scary. I read from both sides but tend to read foundational texts instead of blatant contemporary propaganda shit though some is good like Douglas murray +--- 21952475 +>>21951868 + +It's clearly an alt right creationist story. Beeblebrox is obviously a prophecy for Trump. +--- 21953130 +>>21951340 (OP) +yes there is +>picture of literally anything +>there's a gun and half-empty bottle of whiskey next to it +--- 21953144 +>>21951340 (OP) +That autistic anon who keeps buying various editions of LOTR. +--- 21953180 +>>21951365 +Yeah. I read that book when I was his "fan" - it's stress-inducing the writing is almost illogical. +His stance on Islam is the last drop for me. Now I see him just... just as uninspiring, crying in public, embarrassing. This is the guy some young men look up to? +--- 21953182 +>>21951570 +I'm taking Chuck Palahniuk out that pile. You can put in Lolita instead. +--- 21953212 +>>21951340 (OP) +>generic fantasy Blorb of Glorb +>modern political commentaries a la >>21951366 +>Ready Player One +>I'm Such A Nerd spin-offs (Star Wars, Trek, video game, anime books) +>pop history +>pop science +>Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance +>12 Rules for Life +>Inspirational Christian works/Apologetics +>pop Eastern mysticism/Buddhism diff --git a/lit/21951420.txt b/lit/21951420.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fa3fc104a02940ce57293189fbaef7f8cf7559cf --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951420.txt @@ -0,0 +1,173 @@ +----- +--- 21951420 +I am in earnest looking for books and articles that consider the modern disconnect between the physical sciences and the philosophical tradition. + +I feel we're approaching a breaking point and need to reconcile some things, fast. +--- 21951428 +>>21951420 (OP) +>I am in earnest looking for scrolls and tomes that consider the modern disconnect between the emerging science of medicine and miasma theory +--- 21951430 +>>21951420 (OP) +What happens if you don’t reconcile those things? You’re clearly already stupid and mindbroken if you’re here. Couldn’t get any worse. +--- 21951433 +>>21951420 (OP) +>I feel we're approaching a breaking point +THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN + +philosophy is just thoughts. Physical science is just looking around and testing things out. Nothing is breaking but philosophers minds. +--- 21951438 +>>21951420 (OP) +>need to reconcile some things +why? +--- 21951455 +>>21951420 (OP) +the gnostics are right. that's all you need to know. +--- 21951461 +>>21951433 +You're right. The fact that the top minds probing the deepest questions about the nature of reality can also confuse nothing with something has broken my mind, or more accurately my faith. In fact, it has shown that my or anyone else's trust in these institutions is faith-based. + +We for got somewhere that the devices we were using could not be calibrated, therefor the results are next to useless. +--- 21951530 +>>21951420 (OP) +>When you combine the Uncertainty Principle with Eistein's famous equation +But what if one or both of them are wrong? +--- 21951754 +>>21951420 (OP) +voidcels seething +--- 21951768 +>>21951420 (OP) +Modern Science™ is a runaway sect of Christian deism. +--- 21951855 +>>21951420 (OP) +here: +https://youtu.be/pWBz_c8X4SA [Embed] +and a longer talk between a quantum phisicist and a monk: +https://youtu.be/sPSMTNjwHZw [Embed] +--- 21951936 +>>21951420 (OP) +What makes you think there is a disconnect? I feel like they have always reinforced each other. Look at quantum physics and the Deleuzian notion of Rhizome and immanence. +--- 21951951 +>>21951420 (OP) +All this bullshit is made up. Its all theoretical but they act like its fact. Like how the universe is always expanding yet infinite. That’s fucking retarded considering nobody could ever see anything outside of the universe or anywhere near its perimeters. All this “science” is going on inside the minds of these fucks. Which in itself would make it more metaphysics than physics. Also scientists are fucking sicko pedos. Anyone who follows these articles is a fucking idiot living in the figurative matrix. +--- 21951961 +>>21951951 +Go back to pol +--- 21951980 +>>21951420 (OP) +I think the whole point is that our brains are material, thus our very conception is rooted in the physical and material world of our known dimensions. The nature of reality outside or beyond this scope is literally incomprehensible to us and in some sense it is useless to try and conceptualize it. Take the concept of time, which you might think we are well acquainted with. Wrong. What actually is time? Is the arrow of time real, or is it just a way we conceptualize it? In time, there are causes and effects, but if there is a series of causes and effects, how did the first link begin? If there was a first link, it would have existed without time, and thus how could it follow the phenomenon of cause and effect? The effect (beginning of time) would be simultaneous with the cause, thus violating the relationship itself. In short, not worth spending much time contemplating. +--- 21952022 +>>21951936 +lol +--- 21952227 +>>21951461 +>can also confuse nothing with something +they aren't confusing nothing with something, they are pointing that vacuum, what most people call nothing, is in fact not-nothing and that 'nothing' can not exist given known physics and that particles can generate from vacuum +you should try to read more than just the headlines + +>>21951530 +all evidence collected and all tests ever made pointed for those theories not being wrong +--- 21952627 +im going fucking insane +--- 21952645 +>>21951420 (OP) +>The concept of "nothing" has been debated for millennia, by both scientists and philosophers. Even if you took an empty container devoid of all matter and cooled it to absolute zero, there is still "something" in the container. That something is called quantum foam +Okay so nothing doesn't exist and everything comes from something. Sounds like exactly what many philosophers have always said +--- 21952657 +>>21951420 (OP) +Are you retarded? What is that image supposed to prove exactly? it isn't surprising at all if you've ever seriously thought about the concept of nothing. Nothing literally can't exist, it's paradoxical, dumbass. +--- 21952681 +>>21951420 (OP) +>the modern disconnect between the physical sciences and the philosophical tradition. +I got into this earlier today on some aristotle thread - I agree with this and almost made a boring thread about it myself. + +>>21950511 → +>>21950549 → +>IF you're holding to an ideology (as those men seem to be) which denies the ability of the scientific method to 1) observe, 2) predict and 3) successfully confirm a finding, then you're holding an ideology which impedes scientific progress in anything from everyday problem solving (the leaking tap) to major discoveries; if you're saying that "we cannot ever know" "because sense data is unreliable" - you're dismissing the power of sight, smell, touch, etc. all things which are developed to discern the material universe and which we have literally no other means of discerning truth from error + +My view is that we don't have real science in academe, as evidenced by the dogmatism we've inherited from religion that persists amongst the character of 'fake intellectuals' who are petulantly hostile to inquiry or improvement upon things or discoveries. + +That, in turn, the human mind of the common person is instinctively able to grasp complex sequences of things, which academic types are unable to process due to their dogmas. Call it dogma or religion, whatever, it's pseudo-elitism of inept persons who are unconcerned with material sciences (i.e. useful things) and waste everyones time. + +"tis not reason i despise +but yours," +rochester. + +>I am in earnest looking for books and articles that consider the modern disconnect between the physical sciences and the philosophical tradition. +me too. But I can't think of any titles. Surprisingly few intellectuals are willing to bite the hand that feeds. +--- 21952733 +>>21952657 +I tend to agree; a stupid person isn't neutral, for instance, the void in their head where proper reason ought be is filled up with garbage, and their output is directed by that in a state of chaos. +--- 21952746 +>>21951461 +>We for got somewhere that the devices we were using could not be calibrated, therefor the results are next to useless. +is this a rebuttal to philosophy, science, or both? are you just saying it doesn't matter, because we're all using those uncalibrated machines? whether it's applied to science or thought? +--- 21952872 +What created the quantum soup? +--- 21952904 +>>21951420 (OP) +Wolfgang Smith +--- 21952920 +It’s because rampant scientism has given rise to the notion that a real philosophical ethical practice and discourse is needed. All we need is either a political, scientific, or otherwise “self-evident” code by which to live by. People forget ethics is the prime domain of philosophy and not some pre-existing legal construct. Epistemology is also highly important as quantum physics has shown. Metaphysics on the other hand, now that’s a controversial field. +--- 21952938 +>>21952920 +*is not needed. Fuck me +--- 21952946 +Sex, Ecology, Spirituality: The Spirit of Evolution - Ken Wilber +--- 21953025 +sean carroll - the big picture +--- 21953251 +>>21951420 (OP) +>>21952645 +If something can come from nothing, then nothing is impossible since any "nothing" has the capability of producing something so it cannot be nothing. There is nothing new about this discovery. +--- 21953254 +>>21951433 +>Physical science is just looking around and testing things out +It's actually just mostly equations that have little to no bearing on reality. +--- 21953266 +>>21953254 +equations are nothing more than logical statements +--- 21953280 +>>21951420 (OP) +Quantum foam is materia signata quantitate (read Guenon, Reign of Quantity). +--- 21953285 +>>21951420 (OP) +I really don't think this is a sound conclusion. It sounds very much like guessing territory without any proofs. But couldn't anyone think of a better name than 'quantum foam'? Jesus modern scientists are dumb. They couldn't use some Latin? +--- 21953299 +>>21953266 +and logical statements are just language, language is just words, and God, who is the Word, spoke creation into existence. +--- 21953306 +>>21953285 +Latin terms are just words like foam after you translate them anyway or analogies or even out-dated theories. +--- 21953320 +>>21951420 (OP) +Is that a pop scientist speculating? +AAAAAAH I'M GOING INSANE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN +--- 21953327 +>>21953285 +>They couldn't use some Latin? +We already deposed the Church's monopoly on language 600 years ago, chud. Everything is common man's tongue now. +--- 21953337 +You guys are all ignoring the important question, which is: what does the quantum foam taste like? +--- 21953350 +>>21953337 +haha here’s an updoot +--- 21953368 +>>21953337 +the nastiest semen ever +--- 21953391 +>>21953285 +I would have called it Quintessence just to fuck with people. +--- 21953407 +>>21951420 (OP) +A lot of this is just conjecture from physicists which is misunderstood by journalists and laymen +--- 21953436 +>>21951428 +fpbp +--- 21953687 +>>21951855 +>OP is about metaphysics +>first sentence in first video is about "globalisation" and tangents to "muh capitalism" +Yeah, I'm calling midwit. Not gonna bother with your videos mate. +--- 21953700 +>>21951420 (OP) +I already knew this diff --git a/lit/21951432.txt b/lit/21951432.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dce1df0922b910398904236d71f39370139a251a --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951432.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +----- +--- 21951432 +I know its a lot of text, sorry +--- 21951444 +>>21951432 (OP) +Imagine apologizing in an anonymous forum. Change your name to Welcome cause you’re a doormat. +--- 21951464 +Why do people never manage to make good screenshots of threads? The text is too damn wide, it's a total pain in the ass to read. +--- 21951473 +>>21951432 (OP) +Any intro to economics. I mean yeah, maybe not everyone knows about this, but it's hardly a secret. +--- 21951499 +>>21951473 +Oh and to add to this, the last post of this guy is retarded. If you are outside of the US, this also applies to you, not because of muh oil, but because your nation most likely also has fiat money. +--- 21951543 +>dude capitalism is le slavery +And what were ancient peoples doing 'before' capitalism that you can't do now, exactly? Besides fucking children and dying of famine, I mean. +--- 21951555 +>>21951432 (OP) +Any Econ 101 textbook + +Honestly this is just a stupid rant in general though, since he acts like money is supposed to have some intrinsic value beyond what you're able to purchase with it (which has never been the case and likely never will; the main benefit of using precious metals was standardization across borders, which is less of an issue in a globalized economy where people can easily trade/convert currencies, or just defer to the dollar as a standard). Some of it is just outright stupid, like the argument that the US government used to print its own money: it still does, but doesn't do that to raise money because such practices leads to hyperinflation much faster than by taking loans from a quasi-independent financial entity, which amounts to allowing individuals/corporations to invest in the government the same way they might a private corporation. Although the US national debt has gotten obscene, that's really just a problem of overspending and was not an issue until the past decade or two. + +Debt exists because people want to buy things they can't afford, and needing to pay money to keep your house/car because you couldn't front the initial price is hardly the same as being enslaved. If mortgages didn't exist then it would just be much harder for most people to buy a house, meaning there'd be less incentive to build new houses and so on until you get a significantly weaker sector overall which is to the detriment of literally everyone. +--- 21951589 +>>21951432 (OP) +That's nice Ivan, now tell us about all of this stuff in the Russian context +--- 21951607 +>>21951432 (OP) +>sorry +the gig is up, Leaf! +--- 21951661 +>>21951432 (OP) +The Manifesto on the Abolition of Interest Slavery by Gottfried Feder +Usury FAQ by Zippy Catholic +The History of Central Banking by Steven Goodson (?) +Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler +The End of All Evil by Jeremy Locke +Discourse on Voluntary Servitude by Étienne de La Boétie + +Here is the tl;dr: + +You are cattle on a tax farm. Here is how the system works: +>Privately-owned central bank generates fiat currency out of thin air and lends it to government at interest. +>Govenment dispurses the borrowed fiat by any plausible means but still owes the debt (what the money is spent on is irrelevant) +>Government then taxes its constituents in perpetuity to service the debt. +The current function of all western governments is to collect taxes from the plebs and hand it over to the owners of the central banks as interest on debt that was conjured out of the ether. + +Government debt will continue to increase until: +(Annual Tax Revenue) = (Interest-Only Payment on the Debt) +...or until you stop them. + +Welcome to National Socialism. There is no going back. +--- 21951664 +>>21951432 (OP) +>Any books that go in depth about this? + +>>>/pol/ +lurk for 2 years before posting anything. +--- 21952084 +>>21951464 +phoneposter hands wrote this +--- 21952377 +>>21951432 (OP) +I'll see your mild Russian redpill and raise you an extreme Russian/Vedic redpill + +https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/26801425/ +--- 21952385 +>>21952377 +I knew it was going to be this thread lmao. +--- 21952398 +>>21952385 +Perhaps the greatest thread on the history of the chans. +--- 21952402 +>phoneposter hands wrote this +--- 21953437 +>>21951432 (OP) +read baudrillard. +--- 21953450 +I’d recommend him an entry level textbook on economics. Maybe a few ECON course at a local college diff --git a/lit/21951450.txt b/lit/21951450.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4d4ef5a8fb48e5fe47c8e730f5afaa4f5540ce11 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951450.txt @@ -0,0 +1,45 @@ +----- +--- 21951450 +chud. +--- 21951460 +why yes, I do come to /lit/ to see undersocialized teenagers call each other sexually inspired insults +--- 21951484 +>>21951450 (OP) +He's literally me, +--- 21951488 +>>21951450 (OP) +He looks better than the average litroglodyte. The artist should have made him like an effeminate school shooter to really capture the target audience. +--- 21951495 +>>21951450 (OP) +no one: +literally no one: +underground chud: waaah i get 0 pussy (200 pages of this) +--- 21951533 +I can't believe I wasted a few hours reading about the biggest beta cuck in fiction. +--- 21951594 +>>21951533 +Why did they publish your autobiography to begin with? +--- 21952297 +>>21951533 +If you couldn’t see yourself reflected in that character then you are most likely a retard. +--- 21952308 +>>21951495 +this is me, i am the chud +--- 21952694 +>>21951488 +it is exactly perfect. +a large portion are not ugly, but think so of themselves. +like the underground man, they fool themselves into hating everything while they have the capability for something great. +--- 21952701 +>>21951460 +im an undersocialized ADULT, chud +--- 21952805 +>>21951488 +>>21952694 +Is there a novel like this about actual ugly people? +--- 21952812 +>>21952805 +you could take the intelligence spectrum instead and read 'flowers for algernon'. pretty kino. +--- 21953765 +>>21952694 +was underground man bpd diff --git a/lit/21951502.txt b/lit/21951502.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d15b3814a2d7e4cacc3d40c4f60794c4f0b8c936 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951502.txt @@ -0,0 +1,197 @@ +----- +--- 21951502 +How do you cope with having terrible job prospects? +--- 21951508 +>>21951502 (OP) +Why are you complaining about this? It’s not like anyone forced you to make that choice. +Now get back to making my coffee, neofeudal slave. +--- 21951531 +The ambiguity of university as being either a leisurely networking activity for monied aristocrats or job training for middle class peasants has been the cause of much suffering +--- 21951538 +Mainly alcoholism, fetish porn and good, ol' resentment. I drink my vodka straight - Smirnoff out of the bottle. Bathtub? White Russians. Bed? I take it neat like a gentleman. I've aImost maxxed out my credit card and have NO intention of paying it back. It's goddamned time this world owed me something. I have picked up the hobby of trying to find the best AI image generator of Santa being crucified. +--- 21951567 +I studied writing for stage and screen. Yeah, I suffered in my 20s trying to make it, failing, never having much money, etc. +There's nothing wrong with pursuing your passions IF you are honest with youraelf and realize there's a big chance you're not going to be financially successful. +--- 21951579 +>>21951531 +>Part of the herd. Change is not possible even if one desires it. You are either in the “aristocrat” or the “peasant” group and your own will in shaping your future is irrelevant. + + +>>21951538 +>Letzter Mensch. Pathetic beyond words; weak, degenerate, emetic, and proud of it. Believes that Man is more akin to a worm than to a god and embodies this axiom. +--- 21951590 +>>21951502 (OP) +>How do you cope with having terrible job prospects? +No one's getting a job these days anyways. I feel my critical faculties being sharpen every day. University isn't just about feeding you info and giving you a degree. Engaging with the subject and engaging with ideas is educating. Call it a cope but my parents are slowly getting into the land game so I've got something of generational wealth to prop me up. My brother did an economics degree at a better Uni than me and he's not planning on getting a job around it: he wants to get into a 3D art as a job. It's a weird world we live in +--- 21951591 +>>21951531 +What is it supposed to be then? +--- 21951606 +>>21951567 +So did everyone else. It doesn’t matter if you studied economics, engineering, accounting, art, literature, whatever. Everyone wasted their lives spending 6 years on a degree and 4 on mediocre jobs trying to get somewhere better. +--- 21951614 +>>21951591 +Universities have always been in the business educating civil servants and middle class professionals. That the wealthier can afford to treat it as a resort vacation doesn’t change what it actually is. And just because you educate professionals, doesn’t mean those jobs exist in the economy. +--- 21951658 +I'm thinking of joining law enforcement (european) or becoming an electrician +--- 21951663 +>>21951502 (OP) +I studied only for funsies. Now I have a comfy job as a nightguard and I can read and write for over 6 hours each night. +--- 21951665 +>>21951502 (OP) +don't study literature + +if you study philosophy, focus on logic and language and get to know computational semanticists. you can get a NLP job if you play your cards right and have an open mind about transitioning from theoretical research to applied research at one of the billion tech firms doing work trying to model meaning, communication, understanding, etc. + +or go to law school, philosophy majors are disproportionately good at law school exams. + +also, who cares about having good job prospects at 20-30? take some time to learn about the world, entertain obscure and alienating ideas, become comfortable discussing issues that require care and patience. try to understand people and how they respond to your attempts at helping them solve problems. + +being mad that you're not first in line to get sucked up into corporate america/ corporate western world is like fucking gay. if you're smart and make responsible decisions and plan things out to a reasonable degree you'll find a job that pays enough to support a rich full life, whether or not it's a literary career. +--- 21951674 +>>21951502 (OP) +I want to become a public defender. +--- 21951677 +>>21951663 +Why are there still nightguards? Can't one just replace them with a camera and some basic AI image detection software? +--- 21951679 +>>21951663 +How do you even get a job as a nightguard (it gets shilled as a job for readers here all the time). What type of businesses have nightguards? +--- 21951681 +>>21951614 +Universities were in the business of training priests before the middle class professional was even a thing +--- 21951685 +>>21951665 +I agree nobody should care about their career until they’re in the 30s at least. What else is there to do though? It seems like all adventurism is gone from the world. +--- 21951695 +>>21951679 +>>21951677 +I work at the city hall and the hospital. There aren't cameras everywhere so you still have to walk around at times and also sometimes tell people to leave or, during the evenings and mornings, do some receptionist-like stuff. But for the night it's quiet and nice. Downside is that you are now living during the night. If your biorhythm wasn't made for it you'll most likely suffer a lot. +--- 21951732 +>>21951695 +I also heard from colleagues working at big factories and large warehouses though they seem to have to do more than me. +--- 21951738 +Why is working some email job seen as the goal of life now? Working in the corporate world or as a civil servant is boring. People are wasting their prime years in MS Teams meetings looking at Excel spreadsheets. +--- 21951748 +>>21951606 +Stupid take. Some degrees are obvious worse than other job wise. Engineers and programmers from good unis get good entry level jobs easily while humanities students won't. + +>>21951738 +Email jobs are comfy and pay alright. What else is there to do that genuinely exciting and interesting, doesn't murder your body and mental health, gives you decent free time, and pays well (and doesn't have extremely high competition)? Very few jobs do this +--- 21951771 +>>21951748 +I guess it depends on the email job. Mine was a complete waste of time. And I've seen people get sucked into that kind of corporate/government office life and never get out. It's nice for a few years but then you blink and you've spent 30 years working 40 hours a week just to have two weeks of vacation a year. +--- 21951776 +>>21951738 +What else can I do with a useless degree? I'm not going to get into trades at this point +--- 21951786 +>>21951738 +My corporate job is pretty sweet. I'm doing actual work maybe 10 hours a week, very little stress, most days I work from home, very decent pay. Sure, there's no satisfaction in what I do, but it is what it is. +--- 21951795 +>>21951502 (OP) +>How do you cope with having terrible job prospects? +Looking forward to commit suicide +--- 21951797 +>>21951786 +This is what I mean though. How many years of life will you spend sitting around at home all day? Is that really the life to aspire to? I think after like 2 or 3 years this would become unbearable. +--- 21951800 +>>21951748 +Even if it were true, do you really think anyone at 31 is looking back on the last 10 years and thinking “Well, I wasted my gold years on a degree and behind a computer at a desk but at least I was always employed and have 5% more savings than someone who never did anything”? +--- 21951805 +>>21951797 +I'm all ears for ideas. +--- 21951811 +Who cares, AI will replace all white collar jobs soon. The only reason to go to college now is to hang out with girls and party before the world ends. +--- 21951812 +>>21951738 +Because it’s that or you sweep the motorpool for the U.S. Army. Daily life is simply too expensive and opportunities for young people too scarce to be a bohemian artist or poet or traveling vagabond or a ski bum or whatever adventurist stuff you have in mind. Not joining the army is a regret personally, but that’s all. +--- 21951818 +>>21951797 +It is unbearable, but you’re trapped. You cannot even move to a new city without a job like this because no one will rent to you if they can’t verify your income is a a certain multiple of the rent. You have practically no choice. +--- 21951831 +>>21951502 (OP) +Are saying the philosophy store still isnt hiring? +--- 21951843 +>>21951738 +>Why is working some email job seen as the goal of life now? +Because email job = social status = all anyone cares about. +(I don't like it either.) +--- 21951888 +>>21951843 +No, it’s because that’s what’s out there. +--- 21951897 +>>21951797 +I can definitely do a bullshit job like that if I use that free time to write or play video games +--- 21951900 +>>21951797 +I spent 3 years like this. I basically spent all my time reading and browsing the internet. I regret it so much. I did write some stuff but it’s never been published or anything. +--- 21951902 +>>21951797 +You ever been depressed? +--- 21951911 +>>21951502 (OP) +buy half an acre for $20k and live in a shed and peasant farm. write about that +--- 21951918 +>>21951738 +I work as a sweeper and waiter for a day care facility and it's pretty comfy. No stress and get to crack jokes with my coworkers and the kids. Only drawback is I have to wake up early +--- 21951925 +>>21951502 (OP) +I studied Religious Philosophy specifically to be able to cope with job prospects with a liberal arts degree. +--- 21951927 +>>21951911 +Is this actual viable? Can I do this in the UK or do I have to move somewhere with more affordable land? +--- 21951968 +>>21951927 +half an acre isn't realistically enough to support yourself. But there are plenty of plots in the US of .5-2 acres going for about $25k, and I heard building one of those "tiny homes" costs about as much. So, probably about $80k from start to finish to legally live there. If you save up and make a big down payment you can probably get a pretty substantial permaculture garden and work 20hrs/week as a wagie. +--- 21951969 +I'm going to be completely done with uni in a month (philosophy/history) and I've already decided to go back to my minimum wage job in a hotel. +--- 21951972 +>>21951502 (OP) +By not valuing jobs and lumping them in with the useless category of things. Use your brain to start your own business or work out some way to game the loan system or find some way out so your work becomes providing food, water and shelter for yourself or, under dire circumstances, take what you can get (they are all worth nothing so it really doesnt matter what job) and live within those means until you can do one of the things mentioned previously. Stay strong anon and hold on to those principles you cultivated. They will bloom into meaning and fulfillment if you nurture them right. +--- 21952002 +>>21951900 +What do you do now? Aren't most office jobs like that? +--- 21952052 +>>21951502 (OP) +Why didn’t you just self study philosophy and literature in your own spare time? +--- 21952059 +>>21951502 (OP) +I studied both knowing I was going to be a /lit/ with my VA disability +--- 21952065 +>>21951567 +mad respect +--- 21952102 +>>21951502 (OP) +you guys studied english to then apply to law school... right? +--- 21952157 +>>21952002 +I have the same remote job but I plan quitting within the next few weeks. +--- 21952167 +>>21951502 (OP) +I've been a full time musician since leaving university, never used my Literature degree despite attaining the highest possible grades. I studied Literature because I'm good at it and find it interesting - I never had any particular goals that I could use my qualification for. My time at university wasn't the best but I learned a big lesson is perseverance. I'm glad that I attended and graduated. +--- 21952170 +>>21951538 +>philosopher +>fetish porn +Yeah buddy unless you're philosophizing how to have a terrible life you ain't one +--- 21952171 +>>21951738 +We should take into account that being educated was the dream of many parents for their kids, and the latter may still hold onto this ideal at the same time they're consciously bashing it +--- 21953230 +>>21951738 +because increasingly secure, well-paying work that allows buying a house and having a family, let along escaping wage slavery eventually, is completely out of reach for a greater and greater portion of the populace +--- 21953454 +>>21951502 (OP) +If you are philosophy you can just do an office job related to mild statistics and be middle class. If you are on 4chan you should be smart enough to do excel in the least. +--- 21953458 +>>21951658 +Go for an EU agency. The pay is good. +--- 21953469 +>>21951738 +Its comfy and you can raise a family on it still. I can consume stuff that I used to pirate as a kid(eastern europe) and I can go to vacations in western Europe frequently. Late Hollywood movies about hating the office life are retard(Office Space and Fight Club). Not to mention I can just browse 4chan 50% of the time on the job and banter with my coworkers. +--- 21953475 +>>21951831 +Yeah you know, I think the jerk store might be hiring +--- 21953477 +>>21951800 +You probably bitch about boomers having it good, but what you are describing is basically what they did. You think you are some kind of hero? OK then, go fight for Azov and be the nazi you think you are. I'll send some extra BTC to them if you do it. diff --git a/lit/21951562.txt b/lit/21951562.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8679bbd5feaba3dd305c5a6a49935f15b665effa --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951562.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 21951562 +Any country welcome as long as there is an English translation. +--- 21951612 +>>21951562 (OP) +The only purpose of poetry in 2023 is to impress unwashed anarchist chicks on slam poetry nights. There’s no such thing as “essential poetry”. +--- 21951675 +>>21951562 (OP) +>translated poetry +--- 21953157 +Bump. +--- 21953217 +>>21951562 (OP) +Start with Sidney’s Astrophil and Stella: it’s simple, well written and will help you develop your hearing (read aloud). Petrarch is also useful to read anything from the 16th or 17th century poetry. diff --git a/lit/21951692.txt b/lit/21951692.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dcdfe6a2feffb39c6fc697abc06cd84db2899b3d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951692.txt @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +----- +--- 21951692 +>mommy is... LE BAD! +>will to live is... LE BAD +>life is... LE BAD! +>hegel is... LE BAD! +>sounds are... LE BAD! + +>buddhism is... LE GOOD! +>meditation is... LE GOOD! +>flute is... LE GOOD! +>silence is... LE GOOD! +>art are... LE GOOD! +>nature is... LE GOOD! +--- 21951698 +>>21951692 (OP) +All intellectuals are just a bunch of mentally masturbating unfuckable freaks. Their “works” is how they rob other outcasts of their money. +--- 21951747 +>>21951692 (OP) +>>art are... LE GOOD! +>>nature is... LE GOOD! +damn right +--- 21951839 +And? +--- 21952079 +>>21951692 (OP) +OP is... le faggot +--- 21952105 +>>21951692 (OP) +All true +--- 21952112 +>>21951692 (OP) +Indeed +--- 21952131 +>>21951692 (OP) +--- 21952140 +>>21951692 (OP) +He is correct. He was also vegetarian, making him a better person than you, objectively. +--- 21952154 +>>21951692 (OP) +All these but unironically +--- 21952180 +Wasn't sure where to share a poem i put together. I already hate it but i promised a friend that id share it even if i hate it. So fuck it, Im dropping it here. even tho its a rough draft. I did promise the hero, so i guess i have too. + +"IRE" "A mire so dire. The fire of my ire burns higher. The Crier is a liar, on a wire. They conspire to Acquire what they Desire. Their prior Squire left as a Cryer, to tire untill I expire in my Pyre. But my tear is Dryer. My heart is a Briar, wrapped in Brier. +They will call me SIRE when i stand as the Defier, to the Occupier. A True Nullifier to admire. +NOW START THE CHOIR!" +-_- *barf* (ugh what a shit post.) +--- 21952203 +>>21952180 +If you're a girl I'd be happy to claim to have liked the poem in exchange for sexual services. +--- 21952294 +>>21952203 +SEXO!!! +--- 21952471 +>>21951692 (OP) +DAMNABLE ESSENTIALISM I HATE PHILOSOPHERS +--- 21952576 +What's with all the Schopenhauer seethe lately? +This has to have been the fifth thread that seethes about him in which I've encountered this week. +--- 21952586 +>>21952576 +Coping Christcels, coping Neitzchecels. +--- 21952707 +>>21951747 +yes +--- 21952720 +>>21952576 +It's just one person diff --git a/lit/21951723.txt b/lit/21951723.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..06f177f33429b0eb1b781e913b93bd92686b3c97 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951723.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 21951723 +Looking for the course books for the main and any for the other tests etc, help a fellow illiterate out. +--- 21951727 +>>21951723 (OP) +Prove you’re White and I’ll help. +--- 21951894 +Here only because i have a disdain for the pajheets +--- 21953273 +>>21951894 +That’s a small dick. +--- 21953547 +>>21951723 (OP) +these are widely available on torrent sites or libgen diff --git a/lit/21951819.txt b/lit/21951819.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4e8ac268866ea1cf722d67b707fa40697f48d5ba --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951819.txt @@ -0,0 +1,44 @@ +----- +--- 21951819 +hey /lit/ +i always like to read before bed, but half the time i end up getting really tired halfway through a chapter/section/whatever. Hence 'bedtime books' -- books with very short chapter lengths so you can hang up at the end of a chapter and dont get stuck in some 40-page glut -- but if you have the energy, you can read it endlessly. it doesnt matter if they're fiction or non-fiction -- although, shorter essay collections are perfect for this. i was just wondering if you have any recommendations in this vein/your favourite types of books to read before bed. books that have worked well previously for this purpose for me: exercises in style, Borges collected fiction, the book of lost books, gargantua and pantagruel. currently reading an octavio paz essay collection for this purpose right now. have a nice day, stay whimsical faggots +--- 21951884 +>>21951819 (OP) +I didn't read your babble but I read this book of fairytales I bought at an antique shop that was set up in an old church. Really lush old book with some qaint stories +--- 21952100 +>>21951819 (OP) +Most older books have shorter chapters. Something comfy like Charles Dickens perhaps? +--- 21952135 +I am reading Tolstoy's short stories and the chapters are like 1-3 pages long +War and Peace is like this as well from what I've seen +--- 21952144 +>>21951819 (OP) +A friend reads the 1000 and one nights and I’ve been reading Aubrey’s Lives, though they were a bit of a disappointment. I’ll maybe try Queneau as you recommend. +> octavio paz essay collection +Post the index +--- 21952574 +Coraline is the perfect bedtime book + +>>21952100 +How is Nicholas Nickleby? Kinda want to read it but I'm not a Dickens fan +--- 21953014 +>>21951819 (OP) +Herodotus' Histories and Gogol's Dead Souls, both genuinely fun reads +--- 21953026 +>>21953014 +Nice +I'm reading Gogol's Short Stories as well +Going to read Dead Souls soon +--- 21953050 +>>21952100 +>>21952135 +yeah this is what gargantua and pantagruel was like, forgot to mention that Anna karenina didn't have long chapters either, was very good, although i can be a bit of a little bitch sometimes when it comes to "readability" or verboseness of old (ie. pre-1800) books, especially before bed. i didnt finish the rabelais but i plan on picking it up after i get thru a couple different novels. +>>21952144 +lol my dad some of the 1001 nights and canterbury tales when we were younger. queneau is pretty fun, it goes by really quick tho, see if you can get it from some (university) library or something. also the collection is called "Alternating Current", here's the table of contents, I got it from aforementioned university library, index is quite long. +honestly after getting me into queneau and perec i just wholeheartedly trust the "complete review" website +i think essay collections are the way for this +--- 21953059 +>>21953014 +also thank you! my grandpa taught Greek history, i should do this one next. +>>21953050 +also the asterisks came with the book (I fucking love getting second hand/library books full of notes in them, its so cool to see it has a history) diff --git a/lit/21951842.txt b/lit/21951842.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f20b774a1a781058785a791dc72048d2e7dc5515 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951842.txt @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +----- +--- 21951842 +Recommend me literature from or about the superior Roman Empire. +--- 21951857 +>>21951842 (OP) +Taras Bulba +--- 21951860 +>>21951842 (OP) +Alexiad +--- 21952012 +>>21951842 (OP) +The Holy Roman Empire? +--- 21952017 +>>21952012 +Byzantine Empire +--- 21952027 +>>21952017 +--- 21952855 +>>21952012 +The who what? + +>>21952017 +The Roman Empire. The portion that did not fall to the Germanic people. Byzantium was a port town built over +--- 21952883 +>"Of that Byzantine empire, the universal verdict of history is that it constitutes, without a single exception, the most thoroughly base and despicable form that civilization has yet assumed. There has been no other enduring civilization so absolutely destitute of all forms and elements of greatness, and none to which the epithet "mean" may be so emphatically applied ... The history of the empire is a monotonous story of the intrigues of priests, eunuchs, and women, of poisonings, of conspiracies, of uniform ingratitude." —William Lecky +>"Its [Byzantium's] general aspect presents a disgusting picture of imbecility: wretched, nay, insane passions, stifles the growth of all that is noble in thoughts, deeds, and persons. Rebellion on the part of generals, depositions of the Emperors by means or through the intrigues of the courtiers, assassinations or poisoning of the Emperors by their own wives and sons, women surrendering themselves to lusts and abominations of all kinds." —Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel +>"The history of the Greek Empire is nothing but a tissue of revolts, seditions, and perfidies." -- Montesquieu +>"There exists another history, more absurd than the history of Rome since the time of Tacitus: it is the history of Byzantium. This worthless collection contains nothing but declamations and miracles. It is a disgrace to the human mind." -- Voltaire +>“Let us not follow the example of the Byzantine Empire, which, being pressed from all sides by the barbarians, became the laughing-stock of posterity because it was preoccupied with petty quarrels while the battering-ram was breaking through the city gates" -- Napoleon +--- 21952887 +>>21952867 +imagine being a revisionist over a meme empire that declined and fell within a few decades +--- 21953259 +> Holy +> Roman +> Empire +--- 21953271 +>>21952883 +> William Lecky +> Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel +> Montesquieu +> Voltaire +> Napoleon +Yeah, I trust these faggots to give a good take on the greatest Roman empire. +--- 21953278 +>>21952012 +The Third Rome. +--- 21953292 +>>21953271 +Christcuck cope and lies. Shameless. +--- 21953315 +>>21952883 +>Its [Byzantium's] general aspect presents a disgusting picture of imbecility: wretched, nay, insane passions, stifles the growth of all that is noble in thoughts, deeds, and persons. Rebellion on the part of generals, depositions of the Emperors by means or through the intrigues of the courtiers, assassinations or poisoning of the Emperors by their own wives and sons, women surrendering themselves to lusts and abominations of all kinds. +How is that any different than Rome after the fall of Carthago? Byzantium is Rome and it shows. +--- 21953402 +>>21953278 +Moscow is the third Rome. +--- 21953608 +>>21953271 +Based and truthpilled. Westoids are filtered by Byzantium +--- 21953612 +I + +That is no country for old men. The young +In one another's arms, birds in the trees, +—Those dying generations—at their song, +The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas, +Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long +Whatever is begotten, born, and dies. +Caught in that sensual music all neglect +Monuments of unageing intellect. + + +II + +An aged man is but a paltry thing, +A tattered coat upon a stick, unless +Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing +For every tatter in its mortal dress, +Nor is there singing school but studying +Monuments of its own magnificence; +And therefore I have sailed the seas and come +To the holy city of Byzantium. + + +III + +O sages standing in God's holy fire +As in the gold mosaic of a wall, +Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre, +And be the singing-masters of my soul. +Consume my heart away; sick with desire +And fastened to a dying animal +It knows not what it is; and gather me +Into the artifice of eternity. + + +IV + +Once out of nature I shall never take +My bodily form from any natural thing, +But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make +Of hammered gold and gold enamelling +To keep a drowsy Emperor awake; +Or set upon a golden bough to sing +To lords and ladies of Byzantium +Of what is past, or passing, or to come. +--- 21953632 +>>21953315 +Came here to post this. There is evidently some strange prejudice against the Eastern Roman Empire by these Western thinkers and I can't even understand why. +--- 21953641 +>>21953315 +>How is that any different than Rome after the fall of Carthago? +It's politics. Western Euroep had to glorify Western Rome but attack Eastern Rome. That's why they changed its name too, Byzantines always called themselves the Roman Empire because that's what they were. The change of name came much later from Western Europe. diff --git a/lit/21951874.txt b/lit/21951874.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..3bbe5fa13da3593523a26102eccd86cdd8c4a14e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951874.txt @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +----- +--- 21951874 +What is the best edition of his works and what is the best biography of him? +--- 21951887 +>>21951874 (OP) +oxford for his works. no clue on bios +--- 21951916 +Besides Byron and Pushkin, which other Romanticists died for their feelings? +--- 21951923 +>>21951916 +Byron didn't die for his feelings +--- 21951948 +>>21951916 +Lermontov, who is sort of the younger brother of Pushkin artistically speaking, also died in a duel. He was only 26 +--- 21952351 +bump +--- 21952378 +good latin who died for his betters +--- 21952481 +>>21951948 +>writes a book that culminates in young man throwing his life away in a pointless duel +>throws his life away in a pointless duel +holy based diff --git a/lit/21951933.txt b/lit/21951933.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fb07be8f5c0c1e9bfebc678505dbff77023b3fce --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951933.txt @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +----- +--- 21951933 +There are a handful of Zoomers I know who are incredibly well-read in literature, philosophy, science, politics, history etc.. +But there is no indication that the majority of them even read books, even shitty young-adult fiction. + +Do the Zoomers of your area read books? +t. England +--- 21951957 +>>21951933 (OP) +I dont know any zoomers but judging by their online presence they're not very different than millenials. The only real difference I can note is that they're significantly gayer, as in LGBT, not in a pejorative sense. + +Seems like its the same as millenials, a small portion read literature, most dont. +--- 21951963 +>>21951933 (OP) +Are you insinuating that they just watch videos and regurgitate information rather than actually read the related books first-hand? You'd be right. +--- 21951965 +>>21951963 +>Are you insinuating that they just watch videos and regurgitate information rather than actually read the related books first-hand? +Yes. And the ones who think for themselves are often incredibly right-wing, funnily enough +--- 21951998 +>>21951933 (OP) +This guy thinks a lot about jews. And some political stuff here and there. I'm not sure this really captures the cosmi +c totality of things. +--- 21952007 +>>21951933 (OP) +No. Prestige TV has replaced literature as the thing you have to be caught up on to have conversations with high status people. +--- 21952010 +>>21951933 (OP) +I do but I’m not like other zoomers… +--- 21952041 +>>21952007 +Indeed. Novelists today are simply failed screenwriters. +--- 21952060 +>>21951998 +>Jews really are God's chosen people +>that's a bad thing +>you have no choice but to rebel against God +it's the cosmic totality of things +--- 21952155 +>>21951933 (OP) +did young people in other generations read classic literature? i would say about as many people read classics now as they used to before, and if you count YA as reading then we read even more so. +i think at the end of the day everyone has access to as many classics as they want for free, either by the library or online, so anyone with an interest to read them will do it and people who aren't interested in it won't, that's just how it has always been just more accessible now. +--- 21952172 +>>21951933 (OP) +I read like two books a year on average and watch shit tons of videos in character studies, plot structures etc. +--- 21952182 +>>21951933 (OP) +No. Nobody reads. Everyone is a retard and that goes for all generations, though the retardation is different for each. +--- 21952186 +>>21952182 +Not true, I read and I'm wicked smart +--- 21952317 +>>21951933 (OP) +I feel like reading is not as rare as some of you guys make it out to be. Sure a ton of people don’t read at all but plenty do. And I feel like everyone reads when they are a kid unless they were severely uneducated/neglected. Maybe that’s less true now that parents just hand their kid an iPad but I don’t know, my generation all had Gameboy Advance and shit and everyone I talk to can still manage to rattle off a list of series they read as a kid. +--- 21952345 +>>21952317 +Average person reads 12 books a year. This is blown out of preparation due to women reading erotic gem YA books so no, nobody is blowing it out of proportion. Almost nobody reads. +--- 21952350 +>>21951933 (OP) +Of course they do. Just look for "booktok". +--- 21952354 +>>21952345 +That’s probably more than most people on this board read. +--- 21952357 +>>21952354 +You don't actually believe that +--- 21952386 +>>21951933 (OP) +If you count reading what's assigned to you in school, yes I think the majority of them read and actually more than millenials do (probably not boomers though). Of course, boomers mostly read msnbc or something and if millenials read and they're not in some reading-centered position they're probably reading the 2023 equivalent of "The Geisha" +--- 21952953 +>>21951933 (OP) +who is he??? he looks cute +--- 21952988 +>>21952953 +a white nationalist anti-semite e-celeb +--- 21953117 +>>21951933 (OP) +Yeah, the ones who go to college, of course. +--- 21953155 +>>21951957 +Yeah they’re going to be like 1/4 faggots. Literally end of society demographic bomb incoming, and instead of telling people to have families people will desperately try to learn cloning. +--- 21953161 +>>21951965 +>the ones who think for themselves are often incredibly right-wing +lmao +--- 21953171 +>>21953161 +Go to academia, your government, media, military, banking system, and every single brand on their right wing views. +You’re such a free thinker! +--- 21953183 +>>21953171 +No one is impressed that you want to burn down the country because you don't have a girlfriend. +--- 21953190 +>>21953183 +No one is impressed you want to burn down the country because we conquered you +--- 21953193 +>>21953183 +niggers aren't human +--- 21953539 +>>21951933 (OP) +reminder women and weak minded men are the only people who can't stay on a threads topic +--- 21953548 +>>21951933 (OP) +I'm a zoomer and I don't few people but I know that very few people in general read books independently of age. Also my attention span has always been terrible. I read basically a book a week but I could be reading so much more. Any advice? +--- 21953551 +>>21953548 +>and I don't few people +I know few people* +--- 21953552 +1/2 +--- 21953556 +>>21953552 +2/2 +--- 21953558 +I don't read, I just stream. +--- 21953571 +>>21951933 (OP) +no, i rented a room out to one a while back and he was literally proud of the fact that he never picked one up. they've had the ipads in schools for a while now. +--- 21953646 +>>21953548 +Same here man; I need to get the fuck off this site and read. diff --git a/lit/21951988.txt b/lit/21951988.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..67b95a5db45dcb73e7b6335cdb7c7f176ac7ac29 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21951988.txt @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +----- +--- 21951988 +Have you ever regretted reading a book? +--- 21951991 +Decline of the West +--- 21952000 +>>21951988 (OP) +Rand (Atlas Shrugged) and FA Hayek (Road to Serfdom). Both works are rooted in fear and as such are steeped in irrational and biased thinking. Not to mention the writing itself of both works tended to be of poor quality overall. +--- 21952014 +I am reading "My life as the emperor". I thought it would closely resemble those chinese light novels...nah... the protagonist seems to remain a fool. Just ginished the expedition...he is clueless... has no one to guide him and refuses to improve...exactly what I didnt want.... +--- 21952030 +Tbh I learned nothing from Ride the Tiger. I was memed into reading that book. Total waste of time. +--- 21952083 +>>21951988 (OP) +Saint Patricks Confessions. I went through a Christian conversion phase. My interest in politics led me to believe that Christianity was the answer, but when I lifted the hood and did the proper research into the faith I was joining I realized it was evil. I now have a burning hatred of Christianity. +--- 21952092 +>>21951988 (OP) +I regret that i grabbed one from my stack and started it at work only for it to be horrible and. I have nothing else to read. That always infuriated me until i started bringing a backup book. +--- 21952096 +>>21951988 (OP) +Not really. Even if the book was terrible I gained at least the experience of reading it from it. +--- 21952165 +>>21951988 (OP) +Honestly, Dune. The made-up language was dumb and the story was dreadful to get through. +--- 21952262 +>>21951988 (OP) +The Turner Diaries. I used to keep an intellectual distance from the books I read, trying to pick apart plotholes and refute any ideas as soon as they were presented, but that book was so earnest and wholesome and the struggle it depicted was so obviously noble that I couldn't help but be won over. +--- 21952278 +>>21952083 +Filtered +--- 21952290 +>>21952262 +>encourages murdering people who smoke weed or have acne +>so le noble! +>depicts all black people as cannibal rapists +>so le noble! +>says any White person who isn't onboard with killing every non-White or even every ugly White person should also be killed +>so le noble! +People who actually read The Turner Diaries and find it to be wholesome are fucked in the head. It's more depraved than most threads on /b/ +--- 21952292 +The Alchemist. +--- 21952322 +>>21952030 +Filtered. +--- 21952326 +>>21952290 +Filtered +--- 21952331 +>>21952165 +What a damned pseud. There is no made up language. Sure there are some words but that’s only at the beginning when you’re getting used to his world. It’s not hard. It’s the king of sci-fi. You’re missing out. Watch the movie to get your bearings and try again. Start halfway where the movie stops if you need +--- 21952416 +Memnoch the Devil +I was thoroughly enjoying the cronicals of darkness books until that point. Now I don't really want to read anything written after that point by Ann Rice due to being afraid she will shove her religious and/or strange sexual stuff into the story regardless of if it fits or not. + +I just wanted to read about angsty vampires and continue reading about Lestat, who was a high interesting and entertaining character. +Instead she broke the character Lestat and killed off a few other important characters really pointlessly. + +Maybe one day I will get around to giving Lives of the Mayfair Witches trilogy a chance but I am done with cronicals of darkness. +--- 21952446 +Reading, nah. Buying one? Yes. + +I also traded Love in the time of Cholera for some stupid self help nonsense. I wish I had Cholera for the book shelf, however I hope It gave the dude who I traded it a whole new world outside of self help crap. +--- 21952448 +>>21952262 +Read it myself and it's anything but wholesome and earnest. +It's hateful, petty, and in part propaganda. +That said it's competently written and actually tells a interesting story, even if I disagree with the entirety of the message. +Same can't be said for most works based on pushing a ideology as a goal. +Oddly enough my main complaint isn't the hate bullshit, but that the relationship love drama stuff was out of place and killed the pacing in the middle of the book. +--- 21952492 +>>21952448 +You failed to grok the aesthetic. You might be too botched to appreciate true beauty. +>>>/wsg/5045474 +--- 21952501 +>>21951988 (OP) +Prey by Michael Crichton +--- 21952577 +>>21952165 +--- 21952584 +>>21952331 +The movie made Liet Kynes a black woman, don't recommend that garbage here. +--- 21952893 +120 Days of Sodom turned me into bisexual so if that counts :/ +--- 21953128 +>>21952322 +>>21952326 +You can't just say "filtered" as if that carries any weight or merit as a comment +--- 21953143 +Maybe Melmoth the Wanderer. It was a frustrating read for me because I hated half of it and loved the other half and it left me regretting the fact that it wasn't all as good as its better half. +--- 21953159 +>>21951988 (OP) +The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Now THEY will not leave me alone. +--- 21953175 +Beatrice and Virgil by Yann Martel. The story turns out isn't my cup of tea. He's still a good writer tho, that's what kept me hooked. +--- 21953286 +>>21952893 +Faggot. +--- 21953713 +>>21953128 +Filtered +--- 21953724 +>>21953713 +you're killing him +--- 21953736 +>>21952331 +>It’s the king of sci-fi +lmao, lol even. +--- 21953768 +>>21951988 (OP) +Ulysses. It was a waste of time. diff --git a/lit/21952074.txt b/lit/21952074.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c8d816dd26e384af40d578897078fa10f4a6ab44 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952074.txt @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +----- +--- 21952136 +>>21952074 (OP) +This is a violation of the categorical imperative. +--- 21952196 +I kant believe you've done this +--- 21952198 +>>21952196 +No. All of you stop. +--- 21953378 +>>21952074 (OP) +Bro don’t do that wtf??? +--- 21953384 +>>21952074 (OP) +Do you think Kant was ticklish? How embarrassing .. how can I take any thinkers seriously knowing they would giggle if you poked them in the sides..! +--- 21953769 +>>21953378 +why diff --git a/lit/21952109.txt b/lit/21952109.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9510cf32413e4c637d675dddc65bbf6231b68a25 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952109.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 21952109 +>recently met a girl +>get on really well +>instantly bonded over a love of literature +>I feel a little skeptical about how much she actually likes reading after browsing /lit/ for a decade +>she uses the same username on a couple of different messaging apps +>google it out of curiosity +>she has posted probably hundreds of book reviews on some obscure forum for over a decade using the same username + +What the fuck? I have literally somehow gone from being a reclusive incel to meeting a girl who unironically loves reading. +--- 21952118 +>>21952109 (OP) +>>she has posted probably hundreds of book reviews on some obscure forum +Extremely based +--- 21952124 +Don't let her know you did this but if you're not making it up, that's very wholesome + +Don't be a dick and poison her earnest love for reading, please, my heart can't take it +--- 21952128 +>>21952124 +I won't poison it, I just find it quite surreal. She asked what I had been reading when she saw me reading earlier that day and I said Schopenhauer, and she said she loved reading and said her favourite author was Dostoesvky. I feel ashamed that I was so skeptical about the sincerity of her affection. +--- 21952132 +>coworker says she'll lend me a book +>it's been a few days now +>ask her about it +>oh teehee anon I've decided to reread it first so we can talk about it together +Great, if I ordered it off Amazon I'd be finished with it by now +--- 21952133 +>plot twist (not much) +>she lurks here too +--- 21952139 +>>21952132 +Hope it works out bro. +--- 21953525 +bump diff --git a/lit/21952122.txt b/lit/21952122.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d5911f24f60c85ed964e16a8410fec07fac9021c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952122.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 21952122 +>alright, finally done with work, time to get cozy and read +>open /lit/ +--- 21952123 +>>21952122 (OP) +you dun goofed +--- 21952380 +>>21952122 (OP) +>pic related +--- 21952730 +>>21952380 + +Problematic author +--- 21952752 +>>21952380 +nice quote +--- 21952814 +>>21952380 +Unfathomably based diff --git a/lit/21952134.txt b/lit/21952134.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f67a98bac49a897b8a5be773b8ae7ac958777353 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952134.txt @@ -0,0 +1,48 @@ +----- +--- 21952134 +What would you like to share about the TRANSCENDENTAL DEDUCTION OF THE CATEGORIES anons? Please, don't be shy. +--- 21952146 +>>21952134 (OP) +Refuted by Hegel. +--- 21952219 +PURE CONCEPTS OF THE UNDERSTANDING. PURE CONCEPTS NICHT MISCHLING CONCEPTS. BEGREIFEN SIE? +--- 21952753 +i haven't got to that part of the book, got it yesterday, just about to start the portion about time +--- 21952809 +>>21952753 +Share with us your thoughts on time. +--- 21952816 +Anons, if we all think hard enough, we can generate concepts outside of the structure of the pure concepts of the understanding. It’s possible, we just have to think hard enough. +--- 21952827 +>duuude, there are, like, only two things that you know and a bunch of categories for understanding stuff maaaan +shut the fuck up, you cretinous retard +--- 21952837 +>DUUUUUDE, DID YOU KNOW YOU CANT RATIONALLY KNOW ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU CAN RATIONALIZE IT!?!? WOAH, HEAVY STUFF. ANYWAY, JUST FOLLOW DUTY ETHIC BECAUSE IT JUST COMES TO YOU AUTOMATICALLY AND GETS AROUND THAT SILLY LITTLE RATIONAL PROBLEM +i said SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! + +honestly he's so fucking retarded +--- 21952852 +>>21952809 +I said I haven't read that, but I like his insight on Space, that it must be A Priori, because we perceive 2 unrelatated sensations as occuring in the same time, despite no analytical analysis of them bringing us to that point +--- 21952928 +>>21952146 +>>21952134 (OP) +retroactively refuted by aquinas +--- 21953186 +Can a Kantian help me out here? +>My understanding +-The first paragraphs of §24 describes how a manifold of our a priori intuitions can be be determined in accordance with our synthetic unity of apperception in the understanding. +-This is described as the figurative synthesis and is important as previously only the object-in-general (Guyer's translation, otherwise I think called the transcendental object?) could be brought under the unity of apperception in the attribution of the categories to it. This is the formal condition for the a priori validity of the application of categories to objects. +-When the manifold of a priori intuition is determined by the understanding under the synthetic unity of apperception, we can properly "think" under Kant's definition of thought in §23, which requires both intuition and being able to bring an object under a concept. +-Finally, we can think prior to any outer experience about the synthetic unity of the apperception of the manifold of sensible intuition + +>My question +Somewhere in here the imagination is snuck in, with the figurative synthesis becoming the transcendental synthesis of the imagination. It is described as basically a faculty that mediates between the understanding and intuition, but why is that necessary? Later it is described as basically the visuospatial sketchpad, so it is not clear how it could even interact with pure a priori intuition. +--- 21953195 +the Critique reminds me of the funny orange latin book in some ways, the parts you've read are stupidly easy, the parts you're currently reading are just easy enough, and the parts ahead are gibberish +--- 21953220 +>>21952837 +no retard, according to kant you can know physical truths, just not metaphysical truths. Also, duty ethic is interesting: the will follows reason instead of reason following the will. +--- 21953253 +>>21952809 +i think he perfectly explains how time is dependent upon the proof of alteration and alteration can only exist if we think that two different objects can be considered the same object (a green ball turning red, but still being the same) and thus time is A Priori and not from experience alone diff --git a/lit/21952212.txt b/lit/21952212.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f56f4af150ac480de719aa389783a1472220c187 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952212.txt @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ +----- +--- 21952212 +>Truman called Oppenheimer a "cry baby scientist" after their meeting and reportedly said "I don't want to see that son of a bitch in this office ever again." Claiming there was "no time for pretentious melodramatic Indian mysticism" +>"Oppenheimer when he went into Truman's Office with Dean Acheson said to the latter, wringing his hands:"I have blood on my hands". Truman later said to Acheson: "Never bring that fucking cretin in here again. He didn't drop the bomb. I did. That kind of weepiness makes me sick." +>"pretentious melodramatic Indian mysticism" +Fuck, Evola and Guenon sisters, how is the bad man who used nukes and ordered the fire bombing of Tokyo and Germany bagging in us so hard? + +Were New Dealers the true Ubermensch all along? +--- 21952222 +>>21952212 (OP) +Also an over reaction. The nukes were peanuts. No nukes got thrown at the Krauts and 700,000-900,000 got killed from glassing cities with regular ordinance. +--- 21952307 +>>21952212 (OP) +>Crybaby +>Director of Los Almost for 3 straight years, bringing the Manhattan Project to fruition +wtf did Truman do? +--- 21952335 +>>21952212 (OP) +>Were New Dealers the true Ubermensch all along? +Logo Daedelan Webster Tarpley posting is a futile excercise in omission of legion Soviet & British spy infiltration of the Manhattan Project and beyond +--- 21952437 +It’s ironic because nuclear weapons and MAD arguably ended large scale military conflict between developed nations, ultimately saving more lives in the first world than any other military effort. +--- 21952494 +>>21952212 (OP) +White people are demons unironically +--- 21952667 +>>21952494 +This. +--- 21952670 +>>21952494 +>Oppenheimer +>White +--- 21952677 +>>21952494 +>white people are demons +>but also I really want to live in their countries +--- 21952687 +>>21952307 +Dropped nukes in Japan until they accepted terms of unconditional surrender, defeated Hitler, and won a land war with China during a period of unprecedented economic growth. +--- 21952845 +>>21952687 +i meant what did he do personally? Openheimer was actively directing research down in Los Almos pulling to fruition the most ambitious science project of all time. Truman sat around all day letting other people run the country. + +You'd have to be a huge idiot to not see who the more impressive individual is +--- 21952861 +>"Antinatalistanon when he went into Truman's Office with Dean Acheson said to the latter, wringing his hands:"It's better not to have been born". Truman later said to Acheson: "Never bring that fucking cretin in here again. He didn't go through suffering. I did. That kind of weepiness makes me sick." + +uhh, antinatalist bros... our response? +--- 21953363 +>>21952212 (OP) +Thank you for losing China and allowing the country to be infested with Communist agents, Truman. Great leader. diff --git a/lit/21952236.txt b/lit/21952236.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8e3a48d566f4d2ad88ea0d70cd38b7cdc870bf4f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952236.txt @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +----- +--- 21952245 +>>21952236 (OP) +Yes, but rightoid retards will claim that because he is ugly he can be disregarded. Not realizing that the pessimism of the ugly is in fact pure honesty about the state of the world. To be born into a body that will be scorned by others no matter what you do, physiognomy does not tell you about the character of those you look at, but the character of those who looked at them. +--- 21952248 +>>21952236 (OP) +>The only value of this world lay in its power - at certain times - to suggest another world +100% +--- 21952296 +>>21952236 (OP) +Not when your chin looks like that +--- 21952306 +>>21952296 +see>>21952245 +--- 21952313 +>>21952245 +Strictly speaking that means life sucks for ugly people but is fine for attractive for people. The solution? Eugenics of course +--- 21952314 +>>21952306 +Uglycel cope topkek keep kvetching +--- 21952344 +>>21952306 +I don't think physiognomy chuds can be reasoned with, unironically. Most of them are themselves ugly, but not self-aware enough to recognize that being ugly doesn't mean they are inherently evil, and instead of accepting that they too are ugly and it's okay because morality does not come from bone structure, they descend into pure denial and imagine themselves as gigachads so they can maintain the evolutionary parasite that is raping their brain and telling them they need bigger bones, bigger muscles, and more symmetrical features. Right Wing people (and this includes any self-described leftists who engage in right wing ideology like physiognomy) are actually non-sapient, they can't escape the control of the demiurgic evolutionary spirit which seeks to create massive monsters of flesh and bone and then ejaculate these creatures out into beyond the Earth's gravitational pull in order to spread forever across the cosmos. This is why they go into fight-or-flight mode when the encounter anti-natalist or pessimistic philosophy, the parasite in their brain starts to freak out because anti-natalism is the only thing which can stop its evil conquest. +--- 21952349 +>>21952344 +>are actually non-sapient, they can't escape the control of the demiurgic evolutionary spirit +No they just think thats how reality is and you have to cope with it. Even the ones who believe in God think our world is like that because its fallen, so it amounts to the same thing. Frankly it's a pretty understandable position to have based on how everything works. It applies to inanimate matter too, it's not like there is any strict cutoff between the two. It is pure necessity. +--- 21952355 +>>21952313 +Ugliness exists on a scale dummy, the better looking the population gets, the taller the population gets, the bigger the dick of the population gets, it will never eliminate the social group of the ugly, because what is beautiful today, will be considered sickly and pathetic tomorrow. You're on an infinite treadmill, you idiot. For example, bald people, what makes their lives bad? People treating them poorly, that's it. Being bald does not give you cancer or cause you to get the flu more often, what it does is make other human beings hate you. This is the future for people with hair too, in the future, no one will ever go bald, instead, they'll mock and belittle the hairy for some other imagined imperfection. +--- 21952362 +>>21952355 +I don't think so, the effect you mention does exist, but I dont think beauty and ugliness are entirely subjective like that +--- 21952365 +>>21952349 +>It is pure necessity. +Why? You say they believe the world is fallen, but they want to perpetuate this fallen world? Why not attempt to recreate the garden of eden? A post-scarcity situation in which lions, humans, tigers, and all manner of animals were vegan and ate a frugivore diet without war or conflict or strife. But you don't want to create that, you don't want to fix the world, you want to revel in its depraved fall, you don't serve God, you serve the false god. Your bible is a book lies written by the devil. +--- 21952373 +>>21952365 +>hy not attempt to recreate the garden of eden +Because it not only doesn't work, it makes things worse. + +This is not even a Christian thing, it's more associated with Nietzsche than anything. But this sort of "accepting grim reality and fighting anyway" kind of ethos is very widespread with rightists +--- 21952413 +>>21952373 +>Because it not only doesn't work, it makes things worse. +One of the funniest deceptions of the devil. "No, don't stop being evil and fix the world, not being evil is actually evil and that will make things worse!" Become a NEET, collect welfare, go vegan. Literally all you need to do. +--- 21952428 +>>21952413 +It manifestly doesnt work. Even a cursory understanding of game theory will show you why it doesn't work, but people understood long before game theory was formalized why this was the case. You have to have a mechanism to stop people defecting, because there will always be defectors. It is genuinely delusional to think there could somehow not be +--- 21952432 +>>21952428 +It doesn't work as long as people are evil. Simply stop being evil and it works fine. +--- 21952468 +>>21952432 +Kek. Well let me know if it ever happens +--- 21952604 +>>21952236 (OP) +Anyone ever think about how Ligotti looks exactly like that woman anti-natalist on YouTube? +--- 21952616 +>>21952245 +Schopenhauer was ugly as hell by all accounts and yet the polcels love him. +--- 21952640 +>>21952245 +but usually thats how it goes anyways. most of these people lead miserable lives and you can tell by just looking at them they've practically given up. this is not always the case but those the exceptions to the rule +--- 21952691 +>>21952616 +>yet the polcels love him +They don't, they hate him and they hate pessimism. +--- 21953409 +le bump diff --git a/lit/21952242.txt b/lit/21952242.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8947a1d15ebcbb163b63c93d5b8f660258dbef8b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952242.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 21952242 +How is the 1970s English translation different from the newer translation? I know the older one was originally translated from Polish into French and then the French was translated into English, and the newer one is straight from Polish to English, but are the effects on the reader really that different? I got a strong feeling of melancholy from the 1970s edition (haven't read the newer one) which I honestly really liked and found to be really quite gratifying, and I'm not sure if I want to read the newer translation if it's going to be way more focused on the technical side of the novel (which honestly I felt there was enough of in the older English translation) and thereby ruin it for myself. Thoughts? +--- 21952673 +Bump +--- 21953639 +I was sure this would be an interesting thread/discussion. Huh. +--- 21953701 +Is this book related to the film? It's one of my favourite movies. +I might pick up the French translation of this diff --git a/lit/21952276.txt b/lit/21952276.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8320d3e5a004a8c8b509e40eddeae544a51d93c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952276.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 21952276 +Why is german idealism so much better current anglo "philosophy"? +--- 21952283 +Obligatory +--- 21952288 +>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer +--- 21952293 +>>21952283 +Based. Only German idealists will understand. +--- 21952301 +>>21952288 +Shutup faggot. German idealists wrote books. +--- 21952366 +Warum haben Sie nicht Deutschen Idealismus gelesen? +--- 21952381 +>>21952276 (OP) +It is foolish. What current philosophy needs is Scholasticism. +--- 21952394 +>>21952381 +>It is foolish. +The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us; but he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. His attack is psychological, Damien. And powerful. +--- 21952404 +Descartes was right. Dualism is the way. +--- 21952435 +>>21952404 +Nein. Nein. Es ist nicht der Weg. +--- 21952464 +>>21952366 +I don't read at all +--- 21952511 +Ich wird niemals diese Scheisse lesen. Ficken Sie. diff --git a/lit/21952319.txt b/lit/21952319.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c684b2d70a5487979941c50db251be136bc05bde --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952319.txt @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +----- +--- 21952319 +Am I the only one who was completely underwhelmed by Tosca? Compared to Madama Butterfly, it seems especially weak for Puccini, at least relative to how much play it gets. The music seemed much more forgettable and the twist at the end was basically an F. Gardner tier twist. You can argue you were supposed to see it coming, it’s called dramatic irony Anon. Okey. Well dramatic irony only works when it shouldn’t be obvious to the characters within the story but Tosca, who despite being a total woman and screwing things up, isn’t an idiot and clearly should have noticed something was fishy. Again I would give some leeway to the plot being far weaker than Madama Butterfly if the music were on par but the music I can’t even remember whereas Madama Butterfly I can’t ever forget + +You can see the two operas here for comparison + +https://youtu.be/3stgof-xyN0 [Embed] + +https://youtu.be/yo9UyN3pe58 [Embed] +--- 21952439 +>>21952319 (OP) +The more previous partners a person has had the more likely they are to divorce in a marriage, obviously its different for women because of the issue of paternity... +--- 21952487 +>>21952319 (OP) +>like imagine if 48 people ate from one bowl of cheerios and spat and cummed in it +>I'd be an asshole for not eating the bowl right? +--- 21952590 +SOCRATES: Good day, John Green +JOHN GREEN: Good day to you, too, Socrates. +SOCRATES: Tell me, do you think it matters how many people someone has slept with? +JOHN GREEN: No, I don't think it matters. +SOCRATES: Why not? +JOHN GREEN: Consider the Cheerios. If I started eating Cheerios for breakfast, would the Cheerios say unto me, "I'm the 48th cereal you've tried eating? I don't feel special". +SOCRATES: No, because Cheerios cannot speak. +JOHN GREEN: But if they could, would they say that? +SOCRATES: It is useless to examine a vacuous hypothetical. But, for the sake of the dialectic, let's say they would say that. +JOHN GREEN: And can I go into the past and un-eat all those cereals? +SOCRATES: No, you can not. +JOHN GREEN: Then it follows that the number of Cheerios I have eaten does not mean I don't genuinely enjoy its whole-grain crunch. +SOCRATES: Yes, I agree that one may genuinely enjoy Cheerios in spite of having eaten other cereals before. +JOHN GREEN: Therefore, it does not matter how many people someone has slept with. +SOCRATES: This does not follow. +JOHN GREEN: Why do you say that? +SOCRATES: Is what is without reason incapable of feeling suffering? +JOHN GREEN: Yes, objects are incapable of suffering. +SOCRATES: And is suffering bad? +JOHN GREEN: Yes. +SOCRATES: Do cereals have reason? +JOHN GREEN: No, they do not. +SOCRATES: And do humans have reason? +JOHN GREEN: In general, yes. +SOCRATES: Then cereals are incapable of suffering, while humans are. +JOHN GREEN: Yes, that is true. +SOCRATES: Then you would eat cereal, because the cereal would not suffer, but you would not eat a human, because the human would suffer thereof. +JOHN GREEN: Correct. +SOCRATES: Then it follows that cereal may be treated worse than a human, and the standards that apply to cereal need not apply to humans. Therefore, the ethics of Cheerios being the 48th cereal is not equivalent to the ethics of a husband or a wife being the 48th sexual partner. +JOHN GREEN: I see now that my analogy is false. But that does not prove that it matters how many people someone has slept with. +SOCRATES: Would you give me leave to prove it? +JOHN GREEN: By all means. +--- 21952736 +SOCRATES: Do you have a wife? +JOHN GREEN: Yes. +SOCRATES: Were you here first sexual partner? +JOHN GREEN: No, I was her 48th. +SOCRATES: How would you feel if you found out that your wife had sex with 47 other men yesterday? +JOHN GREEN: I would feel angry, disgusted and betrayed. +SOCRATES: Then you would not truly love her? +JOHN GREEN: I would not. +SOCRATES: But she has had sex with 47 other men. Why do you not feel angry, disgusted and betrayed? +JOHN GREEN: Because that happened before we were married. +SOCRATES: Then you don't believe in the value of virginity? +JOHN GREEN: No, I do not. Such things are a construct determined by society and religion. +SOCRATES: Then you don't support religion, but instead support science, correct? +JOHN GREEN: That is correct. +SOCRATES: Now science is determining what is real through observation. Would you say that the only things which are real are those which can be observed with science and scientific instruments, such as microscopes and telescopes? +JOHN GREEN: Yes, I would say that. +SOCRATES: Would there be any physical difference in your wife's body that can be observed with scientific instruments between her sleeping with 47 other men yesterday and her not sleeping with 47 other men yesterday? +JOHN GREEN: No, I cannot think of any. +SOCRATES: But if she did not sleep with 47 other men yesterday, she still would have slept with 47 other men before you met. Then it follows that there would be no difference that can be observed with scientific instruments between your wife sleeping with 47 other men yesterday and her sleeping with 47 other men before you met. +JOHN GREEN: Yes, that would follow. +SOCRATES: But because you claimed only things which can be observed with scientific instruments are real, then there is no real difference between the two. +JOHN GREEN: That follows, yes. +SOCRATES: Then because the first clearly matters, and there is no difference between the first and the second, then the second must matter as well. +JOHN GREEN: Yes, it would. +SOCRATES: Therefore, it matters how many people someone has slept with. +JOHN GREEN: Yes, I see that now, and I now realize that my wife is a slut and that I am a cuckold. +--- 21952770 +>>21952590 +>>21952736 +based I love /lit/ socratic dialogues +--- 21952821 +>>21952590 +>>21952736 + +kino diff --git a/lit/21952370.txt b/lit/21952370.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cd4de2ce276b427611304100cf70594f5f3c4bc1 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952370.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +----- +--- 21952370 +I miss it bros. Imagine what could've been. +--- 21952379 +True. Can't we bring it back tho? +One person doing it is an affected pretentious faggot, multiple people doing it is a "literary movement". We could be the new aesthetes! +--- 21952399 +>>21952370 (OP) +It already feels weird to me to not read writers from before 1900 in fraktur. +--- 21952406 +Discarding long s definitely increased legibility of texts. I would even have all lower case l's replaced by upper case L to make it clearer from i. +--- 21952417 +>>21952406 +But the aesthetic tho. +--- 21952418 +>>21952406 +Also r n m and p b q d - all weird fuckers +--- 21952425 +quick, what word is this: +>ceafelefs +--- 21952426 +>>21952399 +Same. #bringitback +--- 21952458 +>>21952379 +How tho? How can I get long s on my keyboard? +--- 21952465 +>>21952458 +Ask /g/ +--- 21952519 +>>21952370 (OP) + +If you wiſh to engage with the long ſ—especially in that Styliſed faſhion—you may look on the cover of a particular kike buch any time you pleaſe. Or, you might learn the Integral Calculus. The American Declaration of Independence is also inſtructive as to its proper uſe. +--- 21952525 +>>21952519 +Namaste +--- 21952548 +>>21952370 (OP) + +looks like a long mullet emoji +--- 21952572 +bring back cursive +--- 21952593 +>>21952370 (OP) +>Stairf! I have found ftairf! +--- 21952790 +i always read it as a lisp kind of 's' +--- 21953267 +real best letter coming þrough +--- 21953282 +>>21953267 +> yrough. +--- 21953398 +>>21953267 +I agree. It also makes sense when you have words like aulthood, that put 'th' together. +--- 21953403 +>>21952418 +>p b q d +... +You know, I often laugh at Armenians for having a language where every word looks like nnm'nnnmmnnmnmn, but this does put in in perspective a bit +--- 21953425 +>>21953267 +baseth diff --git a/lit/21952375.txt b/lit/21952375.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e2b1a7c548729204b02693e137cf9c4b7742be8d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952375.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 21952375 +Anybody else disgusted that this two-bit thug's books are now recommended reading in schools all across the U.S. of A.? +--- 21952580 +This is Richard Wright, yeah? I don't know, I haven't read him. Only Baldwin. Seems like a sort of hyperbolic stance you're taking here. +--- 21952605 +Native Son has to be one of the shittiest books I have ever read in my life on my own time, right next to The Kite Runner and The Hunger Games. +The book very much summarized is basically about a nigger, oh wait I mean "Bigger" since that's his actual name, killing a white college girl and says he "DINDU NUFFIN" while his Jewish lawyer defends them before losing and being righteously fucking executed, and you're supposed to feel bad for the nigger like he DIDNU NUFFIN. Not even mentioning he rapes her in an abandoned building and kills his girlfriend Bessie with a brick before throwing her through the window into an air shaft because she was about to go to the police. +Also the communist lawyer (who's a jew) gives a final speech that's doesn't relate to the book or the main character in any capacity, and is really just about why Communism is so heckin good you guys! + +Just ghastly, completely fucking ghastly; Americans actually have to read that shit in school? I kind of feel bad for them now. They get fucked raw so unbelievably hard in school. +--- 21952611 +>>21952580 +What's hyperbolic about me objecting to the degradation of American literature and literature in general? Have you read "Black Boy"? It's the deranged and moralless musings of an out and out THUG. Funny that you should mention Baldwin too: the trash that stooge put out is no better. This is what our sons and daughters are being taught to read in school. THIS IS "HIGH LITERATURE". Yeah right, and I'm the King of England! +Besides, stupid fucking question. Read the file name next time, idiot. diff --git a/lit/21952429.txt b/lit/21952429.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ed77b0c066cd2a362bc317e50d65a95ed6ff0327 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952429.txt @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +----- +--- 21952429 +Nietzsche is literally the most aesthetic person who ever lived. Not an example of, not one of.. He is literally the most aesthetic person to ever walk this earth. For starters, take a look at pic related. His mustache is fucking glorious. His posture is fantastic. His demeanor is one of the most noble you will ever see. He looks like the ruler of the world in this picture, and I would gladly lend my life to fighting for whatever cause he stood for. Now look at his life. Okay, first he starts his life off with a bang as one of the most brilliant students in his time. He becomes a fucking professor by the time he was 24. Imagine that, a full time intellectual by the age of 24. Nietzsche was a born intellectual and truth seeker, a fucking warrior of truth. And after experiencing the horrors of the Franco-Prussian war, falling to the depths of a terrible sickness, Nietzsche recovers and begins his destruction of all of human thought, his quest for ultimate truth. He destroys metaphysics, he destroys morality, he destroys free will, he clashes with and destroys other geniuses like Wagner, he destroys psychology, nationalism, science, he destroys fucking God. He creates Zarathustra, a new way of thinking, a new philosophy, a new fucking modern world, in the course of 10 days. And he does so fighting against the greatest sicknesses known to human kind, not only metaphysical and moral, but physical as well. He transcends all of humanity, flying to the countryside where he confronts God alone, a wandering ubermensch in a harsh and lonely world. He fights, and fights more, until his very brain fails him. Until the neurons in his brain simply cannot withstand his transcendence, until he breaks beyond physical reality itself. The greatest mind to ever live, the greatest man to ever live, falls under the weight of the combined sickness of humanity. He fought for all of us, he broke for all of us, he ate fruit for all of us. Nietzsche is the most aesthetic person to ever live. +--- 21952443 +Great write up, anon. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that and for the most part agree. Also what a badass photo +--- 21952447 +*Laughs in transcendental aesthetic* +--- 21952460 +>>21952429 (OP) +Is lack of self-reflection a trait of the Übermensch? +He admires no non-fiction writer. Ha admires men of action. +--- 21952496 +>>21952429 (OP) +Cringe inducing post. Nietzsche said that was a horrible photo and that he didn't realise how he was posing when standing there. + +Wagner was more aesthetic. Just read the descriptions from people who met both Wagner and Nietzsche. One was larger than life, a volcanic force in his surroundings and effortlessly charismatic, the other was rather mild-mannered, private and didn't leave much of an impression. +--- 21952499 +>>21952447 +If you look closely you can see that Kant is grinning. +--- 21952506 +>>21952429 (OP) +Agreed +--- 21952508 +Nietzsche is literally the most autistic person who ever lived. Not an example of, not one of.. He is literally the most autistic person to ever walk this earth. For starters, take a look at pic related. His mustache is fucking glorious. His posture is fantastic. His demeanor is one of the most noble you will ever see. He looks like the ruler of the world in this picture, and I would gladly lend my life to fighting for whatever cause he stood for. Now look at his life. Okay, first he starts his life off with a bang as one of the most brilliant students in his time. He becomes a fucking professor by the time he was 24. Imagine that, a full time intellectual by the age of 24. Nietzsche was a born intellectual and truth seeker, a fucking warrior of truth. And after experiencing the horrors of the Franco-Prussian war, falling to the depths of a terrible sickness, Nietzsche recovers and begins his destruction of all of human thought, his quest for ultimate truth. He destroys metaphysics, he destroys morality, he destroys free will, he clashes with and destroys other retards like Wagner, he destroys psychology, nationalism, science, he destroys fucking God. He creates Zarathustra, a new way of thinking, a new philosophy, a new fucking modern world, in the course of 10 days. And he does so fighting against the greatest sicknesses known to human kind, not only metaphysical and moral, but physical as well. He transcends all of humanity, flying to the countryside where he confronts God alone, a wandering dumbass in a harsh and lonely world. He fights, and fights more, until his very brain fails him. Until the neurons in his brain simply cannot withstand his transcendence, until he breaks beyond physical reality itself. The greatest mind to ever live, the greatest man to ever live, falls under the weight of the combined sickness of humanity. He fought for all of us, he broke for all of us, he ate fruit for all of us. Nietzsche is the most autistic person to ever live. +--- 21952522 +>that hairline +>aesthetic +--- 21952524 +>>21952429 (OP) +He looks like he's sucking on his teeth and talks like Daffy Duck. +--- 21953287 +>>21952429 (OP) +>That hairline +>Fat af +>Manlet +>small hands and pepe +Yeah thats an ubermensch buddy +--- 21953430 +>>21952429 (OP) +>he clashes with and destroys other geniuses like Wagner +lol no he didn't. Contra Wagner is pure seethe borne from Nietzsche's realisation he and everything he had worked for was BTFO by Parsifal. +--- 21953490 +>>21952429 (OP) +--- 21953503 +>>21952429 (OP) +Nietzsche was a redditor +>>21952447 +Kant was a manlet +--- 21953658 +I wish I could be like this guy or Wagner, sadly I am just someone who was catfished and sucked on the penis by a man +--- 21953679 +>Then R. comes back to Nietzsche, observes that the one photograph is enough to show what a fop he is, [Probably referring to a photograph of Nietzsche (wearing a fur coat, hat, scarf, and gloves) that Nietzsche sent to Cosima ca. End March 1871. The fur coat was borrowed from Franz Overbeck. Read Cosima's 1871 reply, criticizing Nietzsche's pose in the photograph.] and declares him to be a complete nonentity, a true example of inability to see. [....] [Hermann] Levi tells us that Nietzsche recommended to him a "young Mozart," [Heinrich Köselitz, a/k/a Peter Gast (1854-1918)] actually a thoroughly incompetent musician! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAG54sc0KxI [Embed] ) This gives us food for thought! R. says to me eventually that Nietzsche has no ideas of his own, no blood of his own, it is all foreign blood which has been poured into him. +(02-04-83) + +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAG54sc0KxI [Embed] +--- 21953681 +>>21952429 (OP) +His head is kind of square in this picture though +--- 21953686 +>>21953658 +A tranny tricked you? +--- 21953690 +>>21953679 +proto videogame music +--- 21953698 +>>21953658 +If you were heterosexual and rejected blow jobs you wouldn’t be tricked like this +--- 21953704 +>>21952429 (OP) +>greatest [moral] sicknesses known to human kind +I agree with this, pride and arrogance is a great moral sickness. +>until he breaks beyond physical reality itself. +Yes, that's when he descended to hell to pay for wasting the gift of life. +> Nietzsche is the most aesthetic person to ever live. +I get it, aesthetic here means "underage hedonists look up to him because they have no values of their own." For everyone else, this is aesthetically repulsive though. diff --git a/lit/21952441.txt b/lit/21952441.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ad2b595fd88b0c8663c1295233d28d591dc62603 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952441.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 21952441 +will AI eventually become capable of engaging in philosophical thought? +--- 21952445 +We need to make a dedicated /ai/ board or a dedicated general on /g/ for ai shit and ban it everywhere else, this shit is fucking insufferable +--- 21952451 +i read that and i wonder why people are worried about AI. this writing is shit. +--- 21952456 +>>21952451 +Majority of Americans — and therefore a majority of the most vocal online retards — read below a sixth-grade level. It’s unsurprising retards are impressed by AI-slop +--- 21952459 +>>21952451 +its a meme image, retard +--- 21952477 +>>21952441 (OP) +This is still just a regurgitator. It cannot engage in any kind of thought. A real AI would have to be capable of engaging in philosophy, otherwise it wouldn't be an AI. +--- 21952526 +>>21952441 (OP) +All this “AI” isn’t real. It’s a complex algorithm utilising large databases of shit. diff --git a/lit/21952474.txt b/lit/21952474.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0ef6a32c555e9b7da53c31f725053492237557d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952474.txt @@ -0,0 +1,448 @@ +----- +--- 21952474 +>if only you knew how bad things are going to get + +Jokes aside, she was a true genius and her books reflect it. I've never known any other writer illustrate their views with such clarity and depth +--- 21952480 +>>21952474 (OP) +She looks like my grandmother which is good + +She hated Jews and loved hitler which is good + +Haven't even read her. That's all I need to know +--- 21952488 +>>21952480 +>Haven't even read her. That's all I need to know +It will change your view of the world, and I'm not lying + +https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/lightningsun.pdf +--- 21952493 +>>21952474 (OP) +Until today I had only seen old beautiful black and white pictures of her. Thanks for adding to my depression, OP. Means a lot. +--- 21952495 +>>21952493 +https://savitridevi.org/galleries/savitri-devi/ +--- 21952497 +Do women read Savitri Devi? +--- 21952502 +>>21952497 +>Do women read Savitri Devi? +Based and trad women do, yes. Not many, but they are out there. More will read her as National Socialism gains in popularity again +--- 21952503 +>>21952495 +If you like her check out Francis Parker Yockey. +--- 21952512 +>>21952503 +>Francis Parker Yockey. +I've heard of him. He wanted a pan-Aryan Imperium if I'm not mistaken? Savitri Devi wanted a "Greater Reich of all Aryans, under the supremacy of the best." + +If it rhymes, it rhymes +--- 21952515 +>>21952474 (OP) +>true genius +>I've never known any other writer [...] +Lmao you clearly haven't read much +>simping for le trad nazi babe who larped as Indian and married a fat jit +Fuck off chuddy +--- 21952520 +>>21952488 +Will it? I'm already a big fan of Hitler. I own that book lol, what's the beat thing from it in your opinion +--- 21952523 +>>21952515 +Hello schlomo +--- 21952540 +>>21952512 +Wish I had you as a friend since I have none lol seems like we’d get along +--- 21952546 +>>21952520 +>I'm already a big fan of Hitler +Is this a zoomer trend? People just straight up say they like Hitler now whereas before people just beat around the bush and you had to infer they liked Hitler. +--- 21952554 +>>21952520 +>what's the beat thing from it in your opinion +The idea that history moves in great cycles of destruction and rebirth, and that the Third Reich was the first stirring of a 'Golden Age' philosophy that is destined to triumph after this modern humanity has perished. +In short, nothing can defeat the Natural Order in the long term. National Socialists have to wait for the great collapse of global civilisation before we have a chance at taking over. + +Very intense reading, to put it mildly +--- 21952557 +>>21952546 +I think its becoming more and more obvious that the world is evil, and in that evil world the ruling powers have constructed Hitler is the ultimate boogeyman. Almost every single totally fucked up thing you can point to is caused by Jews and would have been the exact opposite of what Hitler would have wanted +--- 21952559 +>>21952540 +>Wish I had you as a friend since I have none lol seems like we’d get along +I reckon we would get along. I'm a Zoomer and I read almost everything far-right related before I was 20 kek +--- 21952565 +>>21952557 +I'm more of a Frederick the Great and Universal Prussian Monarchy guy myself. +--- 21952566 +>>21952515 +>Lmao you clearly haven't read much +And you clearly haven't read her. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant +--- 21952568 +>>21952565 +Gott mit uns +--- 21952569 +>>21952559 +Wish I was a zoomer Im 28 didnt make the cut but my wife is at 25. +--- 21952573 +>>21952569 +>Im 28 didnt make the cut but my wife is at 25. +I'm 22, UK. It's bad here, very bad. Our only saving grace is that our economy is on its last legs, so it will be very interesting in the coming years +--- 21952578 +>>21952573 +Yeah you get it. As an americuck I see everyone thinks the South will save us and thank God for the South but it wont until a complete economic collapse. +--- 21952579 +>>21952497 +>>21952502 +My wife rejects Devi on the basis of her marrying a pajeet and never becoming a mother which she regards as the supreme spiritual purpose of womanhood. +--- 21952589 +>>21952578 +>it wont until a complete economic collapse. +From what I can tell the South has the worst amount of Niggers and Mexicans, so it's logical that the first stirrings start there. We in Europe are counting on you guys to kick off the blood purge +--- 21952594 +>>21952589 +Bro you’re so based dude I don’t even know what to say I’m used to shitting on people for people faggots. +--- 21952597 +>>21952579 +>My wife rejects Devi on the basis of her marrying a pajeet and never becoming a mother which she regards as the supreme spiritual purpose of womanhood. +Her marriage was one of convenience, her having an Indian husband enabled her to escape arrest in Europe, and the marriage was always intended to remain celibate (which it was.) +She never became a parent, that's true. But neither did the Fuhrer. She has left us her works, which are of immense intellectual, aesthetic and informative value +--- 21952601 +>>21952594 +>Bro you’re so based dude I don’t even know what to say +Haha, it's good to find like minds. Hope to meet you one day at the great victory rallies +--- 21952610 +>>21952578 +>>21952589 +You're both Jewish, aren't you? +--- 21952622 +>>21952601 +Hell yeah brother. Bouta buy a long sleeve black shirt for my British bro. +--- 21952624 +>>21952610 +>You're both Jewish, aren't you? +Hell, no. I denounce the Talmud and the Torah. + +I'm the OP, who is spreading the word of National Socialist enlightenment +--- 21952626 +>>21952523 +Whiter than you btw +>>21952566 +Wrong, she's shit +--- 21952630 +>>21952624 +>I denounce the Talmud and the Torah. +What about the Kabbalah? +--- 21952632 +>>21952622 +>Bouta buy a long sleeve black shirt for my British bro. +Simple but elegant, I like it. +Always good to know you've got friends in the world without necessarily realising it +--- 21952637 +>>21952630 +>What about the Kabbalah? +Of course. I actually need to read those God-forsaken texts. I want a crash course in how the Semitic mind has construed all other beings as enemies +--- 21952638 +>>21952632 +Damn take care man, my heart grew one size tonight. +--- 21952644 +>>21952626 +>Wrong, she's shit +Yeah, a four letter rebuttal isn't going to cut it for me. She belongs next to Nietzsche, Guenon, Evola, Rosenberg etc.. +--- 21952648 +>>21952638 +>Damn take care man, my heart grew one size tonight. +You take care too. Keep breeding that lovely wife of yours ;) +--- 21952651 +>>21952637 +What if I told you there's reason to believe Hitler was controlled by the Jews, and it ties into the Kaballah. That, or he was switched by a body double as Ernest Celine claims. +--- 21952660 +>>21952651 +>What if I told you there's reason to believe Hitler was controlled by the Jews +It's a ridiculous argument. Adolf Hitler rejected Judaism on every plain of reality - philosophically, spiritually, racially and morally. He fought against them and lost, but his sacrifice is seeding new creations and new ideologues +--- 21952668 +>>21952660 +>Adolf Hitler rejected Judaism on every plain of reality - philosophically, spiritually, racially and morally +Is that why 1/4th of the top SS unit were Jewish? Hitler was no Hadrian. Even Hitler's reported paternal haplogroup, E1b1b is very fishy (given it is more prevalent among Jews). +>He fought against them and lost +The whole thing could have been manufactured or theatrics. In fact, there is evidence Jews supported Hitler because they wanted to kill the actual Jews who assimilated; many Jews referred to Hitler as Moshiach because it helped strengthen their identity against the Other and establish Israel, which is what Hitler wanted. +Much like how Trump was kosher. +--- 21952675 +>>21952589 +>We in Europe are counting on you guys to kick off the blood purge +You know, this just doesn't sound like something a sane person would say. It sounds like something a Jew would say. I find it very suspicious. +--- 21952683 +>>21952668 +>Is that why 1/4th of the top SS unit were Jewish? +I doubt that, but im aware many of them were half-Jews. They fought against Judeo Bolshevism in the end, so I'm going to say BASED. +>many Jews referred to Hitler as Moshiach because it helped strengthen their identity against the Other and establish Israel, which is what Hitler wanted. +Yes, Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany and Europe. He wanted them removed from the Western banking systems. He enacted such policies as the Haavara transfer agreement to affect such a migration. I have nothing against that. They're better off in their own country than In ours. + +In case you haven't caught on, I don't believe the Holocaust was real either. +--- 21952684 +>>21952579 +your wife is a man. +how long is her penis? +--- 21952686 +>barely any pictures in the books +--- 21952690 +>>21952675 +>It sounds like something a Jew would say. I find it very suspicious. +I don't care what you call it. It will be the physical removal of racial aliens from Western societies. If it comes to civil war, there will be bloodletting of biblical proportions. We can't run away from it +--- 21952696 +>>21952683 +>They fought against Judeo Bolshevism in the end, so I'm going to say BASED. +Jews also created modern fiat capitalist system (which involves printing excess and compound interest) with "thinkers" like Milton Friedman and others. +Jews tend manufacture "fake enemies" that fight with each other. It ties into the Kaballah. +>Yes, Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany and Europe. He wanted them removed from the Western banking systems. +I don't think that's truly the case. He gave the impression that's what he wanted, but his actions said otherwise. Hitler was much like Trump in many regards. +Now Hadrian was truly anti-Jew. +>In case you haven't caught on, I don't believe the Holocaust was real either. +Right, which is more proof of what I'm saying. Jews are the architects of your narratives. +--- 21952702 +>>21952690 +>there will be bloodletting of biblical proportions +That sounds very Jewish, and I don't trust you are actually a white person. Perhaps, a Jew who could blend in well. I forgot the Hebrew word for that, but I can double-check later. +A race war isn't going to benefit anyone but Jews. It also would traumatize both sides and achieve nothing. +--- 21952710 +>>21952696 +>Jews are the architects of your narratives. +Nope, you've just veered too far into schizo territory. We know all the tactics of the Jews. So did Hitler, he wrote them all down in his great big book. +--- 21952717 +>>21952702 +>I don't trust you are actually a white person. +I don't care. +>It also would traumatize both sides and achieve nothing. +>b..bu...but you should continue to tolerate being replaced and raped and murdered by migrants who are your greatest strength. +You're the Kike there, sunshine. What an absolute fucking faggot. Violence is the law of life +--- 21952724 +>>21952710 +>So did Hitler, he wrote them all down in his great big book +You sound like a FED or Jew yourself. No one talks like this in real life. I find you suspicious. +>you've just veered too far into schizo territory +Says the "guy" who wants to promote a bloody race war that would ultimately benefit Jews the most. Basically scapegoat everyone while missing the nuanced dimension of how Jews consolidate their power. +>We know all the tactics of the Jews. +No, you don't. By following into any preestablished extreme left or right political agenda, post-20th century, you fall into their ideological traps. +--- 21952732 +>>21952717 +>Violence is the law of life +I find it strange that such a viewpoint is being promoted in a Savitri Devi thread, which she would most certainly not agree with me. It seems to simply agitate and exacerbate the difficult situation, which was easily avoidable but purposefully let to happen. +I just find you "pepe race war" fags very suspicious, almost like predictive programming for a change in Jewish tactics. +--- 21952737 +>>21952724 +>Says the "guy" who wants to promote a bloody race war that would ultimately benefit Jews the most +I have no intention of promoting it. It is inevitable and will happen when the word economy collapses. + +I'm not a fed or a Jew, I'm a 22 year old Englishman. And you are a charmless neurotic weirdo. This is what a society run by Semites produces +--- 21952754 +>>21952724 +And what is your plan to remove the muds? By asking them nicely? +--- 21952755 +>>21952737 +>It is inevitable and will happen when the word economy collapses. +It's a "controlled collapse", and I believe Jess manipulated Europe into opening borders with that very same intent, bloody race war where the children of "Edom/Esau and Ishmael" mutually annihilate one another. Regardless, there is something for Jews to gain whether the West continues its current trajectory of globohomo or does a 1488 "pepe race war now". In both instances, the top technocratic elite Jews will consolidate their power. +>I'm a 22 year old Englishman. +If so, read a bit more and stop jumping to conclusions, soulless Zoomer. A full-out race war is not advantageous. You'll see the heads of babies and more on pikes; you want to avoid such barbarity. +>This is what a society run by Semites produces +You've been worshiping a Semite for 1000+ years. I don't like Abrahamism either, but I don't think your aggressive, highly hormonal approach will work. It's easily manipulable. +--- 21952762 +>>21952754 +Push for pro-natalist laws/incentives for native whites and laws that deincentivize or punish non-Euros having children on your land. Basically, pro-natalist for whites, anti-natalist for non-white. +>remove the muds +Not all "muds" are bad. Slaughtering "muds" indiscriminately is not a good idea for both one's psyche and others. +My approach is bloodless and merely requires conflict with your government, which can be changed via altering domestic policies. +--- 21952767 +>>21952755 +I'm too tired for this, I'm not replying again. +If you seriously believe this global situation will end peacefully, you are going to be disappointed. + +Keep whining about the dark intricacies of the technocracy, while I study the actual means of removing the bastards from power. +--- 21952775 +>>21952767 +>If you seriously believe this global situation will end peacefully +I gave a peaceful solution in the post above. +>while I study the actual means of removing the bastards from power. +Not once have you actually discussed removing the bastards in power. All you've done is support race war with the "muds"; the Jews benefit from such scapegoating from situations they've engineered. Not once throughout your whole bloodthirsty glowie bullshit did you point to any real elite. +--- 21952832 +>>21952775 +>All you've done is support race war with the "muds"; the Jews benefit from such scapegoating from situations they've engineered. Not once throughout your whole bloodthirsty glowie bullshit did you point to any real elite. +It isn't very difficult to infer that the root cause has to be torn out along with the side-effects............. +--- 21952850 +>>21952832 +You're a 22 year old edgy kid who's read a few far-right books. You don't understand the full complexity of what you're dealing with. +>root cause has to be torn out along with the side-effects +Impossible to get at the root cause when you keep getting distracted by the side-effects or scapegoating them. +I doubt you even know what it means to kill or just the high-level shitstorm you would be brewing. The Chinese could also potentially get involved and sell arms to both sides. Children would invariably die on both sides, and that's something you want to avoid... +A free-for-all "pepe race war now" benefits no one, moron. You can push for far right ideals without resorting to such insanity. +--- 21952869 +>>21952850 +>You're a 22 year old edgy kid who's read a few far-right books. +I'm a learned adult in an overcrowded social powder keg. I come from an area of extreme social tensions. Your solutions aren't viable anymore. Perhaps they were in past decades. There is too much tension, bad blood and frankly distrust for this to end without conflict. This situation has been forced on us. So don't you fucking dare to assert that I don't know the stakes here +--- 21952905 +>>21952869 +Do you realize how insane you sound? Are you just going to form militias and shoot up every Arab, Turk, Persian, Indian, etc. woman, child, and man you see? Do you realize that's not going to benefit anyone but Jews? Also, you do realize people can fight back, and it would just escalate into both sides killing each in vast numbers, with mass casualties? +Do you realize how Jewish you sound? +>Perhaps they were in past decades +Well, we can't let these problems keep building up, but I don't think the solution is indiscriminate slaughter of civilians. +--- 21952923 +>>21952905 +>Are you just going to form militias and shoot up every Arab, Turk, Persian, Indian, etc. woman, child, and man you see? +No. The majority will leave peacefully I believe. I never said I'd 'kill them all.' +They will leave in their millions when the fighting starts. Just look at how quickly Ukraine emptied out with 8 million leaving within months. +The National Revolution will target the Jewish-dominated leadership castes for punishment. +--- 21952940 +>>21952923 +What about those who have assimilated and own assets? Would you make exceptions, or would you just seize their assets and kick them out? +--- 21952948 +>>21952923 +>Just look at how quickly Ukraine emptied out with 8 million leaving within months. +Also, don't you think it's strange that Zelensky is a Jew and Azov are Neo-Nazis? It's like kosher nationalism. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that came out of your conflict. +--- 21952952 +>>21952940 +>What about those who have assimilated and own assets? +They leave. +--- 21952958 +>>21952952 +They won't leave without a fight. What you're arguing sounds effectively like communism to me. You basically want to seize the assets of minorities who worked hard for it. +It's no different than a woke black man claiming your assets and claiming it's for "reparations". +You're a hypocrite. +--- 21952965 +>>21952958 +>You basically want to seize the assets of minorities who worked hard for it. +They can leave with assets if earned honourably. To be honest, I don't particularly care, because this will all play out in a grand-scale apocalypse,, with our survival at stake. + +I'm done talking now. You're a blind pussy who can't see the tsunami coming his way. It's pathetic. I don't want conflict, but it's coming, so we have to win it. +--- 21952968 +>>21952579 +>never becoming a mother +She chose a priestly life, that has its own merit. +--- 21952970 +>>21952497 +>women +>Read something other than novels. +--- 21952971 +>>21952578 +>the South will save us and thank God for the South +--- 21952972 +>>21952965 +If you had to pick between USA or BRICS, which would it be? +--- 21952976 +>>21952971 +aaand the west +--- 21952982 +>>21952965 +>grand-scale apocalypse +Sounds like a Jew talking about Tikkun Olam. +>You're a blind pussy who can't see the tsunami coming his way. +I've already shot a nignog during a home break in at the time of BLM, but I have a feeling I may have to shoot a snownig like you next. +--- 21952991 +"How do you do my fellow /lit/izens?" +--- 21953104 +>>21953058 +That quote doesn't work towards anyone with extensive ecological knowledge. What about hybrid songbirds, which occur in suture zones in the Great Plains of North America, where numerous pairs of species with Eastern and Western distributions come into contact? You can get hybrids of many species such as Mountain and Eastern Bluebirds. Is a hybrid Mountain-Eastern Bluebird's life worth less than a purebred Eastern Bluebird? +--- 21953140 +>>21952579 +>>21952597 +>>21952968 + +If you read Defiance, which is her prison memoir, it becomes obvious that she was a lesbian. But she was so disgusted at the thought of acting upon her lesbian urges that she did the righteous thing and chose a life of chastity. If only all sexual deviants had such willpower. +--- 21953242 +>>21952597 +>>21953140 +Why are so many Homosexuals attracted to Fascism/National socialism? + +I'm not trying to b8 either...I genuinely want to know. +--- 21953252 +>>21953140 +>If you read Defiance, which is her prison memoir, it becomes obvious that she was a lesbian +If one read your post carefully, it becomes obvious that you are gay. +--- 21953276 +>>21952474 (OP) +I watched a video about Russian female neonazis secretly taking BBC in porn, even whilst wearing kolovrats and all this as a result, I have no trust or faith in self proclaimed female "white nationalists" or muh ancestor "racialists" + +An anon posted a book written by a black America "black skin, white masks " and it investigates this subject from a psychoanalytical perspective, and I can't help but agree. It's best to leave behind all inflexible, solid concepts about identity, because corruption and inversion is the law of nature. +--- 21953284 +>>21953242 +It's because betrayal, corruption and inversion is human nature. +Same principle applies here: >>21953276 +--- 21953289 +>>21953276 +Hello kike + +If you were chosen you wouldnt have to live in white countries. Israel would be a Paradise. But it isnt. Makes you think +--- 21953290 +>>21953289 +>muh kike +you will see in due time, the more repression, the more the forbidden impulses will increase, until you are devoured whole, tis the law of nature +--- 21953294 +>>21953242 +It’s popular in alternative circles. Sure there’s plenty of trad people here you’ll meet who dress normally with normal wives, but the Neo Nazi scene is similar to the socialist/communists in the way it has always attracted outsiders, downtrodden, etc. who wear boots, edgy outfits, do drugs — total degenerates. This even applies to the rise of the Nazis — they had homosexuals and drug addicts in their ranks, same as the Communists. Radical ideology is rife with degenerates. +--- 21953300 +>>21953290 +Whenever there is tension there violence, wherever there is violence there is a aggression, wherever there is aggression the animal and carnal nature are predominant, the operation of this animal and carnal nature is inversion. +The homosexual is attracted to fascism because he wants to secretly corrupt the ideal of masculinity, corruption is the modus operandi of the aggressed and agitated, nature has betrayed them so they secretly conspire against it until they are swept away in the disintegrating tensions +--- 21953301 +>>21953290 +Jews are part of nature +They'll fade away too +And then maybe you'll think +Wait I shouldn't have put everything onto racial narcissism + +What if there is something else? +What if there is something better? +--- 21953307 +>>21953294 +I read about SS sexually abusing men, gang raping etc. Disgusting, homosexual rape is the end conclusion of the "might is right" !mentality and the BNWO is the culmination of "white nationalism" incredibly pathetic. +--- 21953311 +>>21953301 +By extension all races are impermanent parts of nature, not just Jews, materiality and racial narcissism go hand in hand with white nationalism and antisemitism. All of it is the same, what is the difference between a Jewish supremacist and a white supremacist? Nothing +--- 21953325 +>>21952724 +>you sound like a FED or a jew yourself +No, you do. And in all my years posting on 4chan I've seen the word fed a billion times but never once seen it capitalized like you did here +--- 21953330 +>>21952755 +>>21953325 +Actually nevermind; I think you're making sense +--- 21953331 +>>21953294 +Yes. People on the fringe tend to just rotate along the fringe rather than move towards the center. It is easier to make an Anarchist into a Nazi than either into a functioning citizen. +--- 21953342 +>>21953331 +>functioning citizen +Drink the corn syrup and meds up the kids +--- 21953344 +>>21953331 +>functioning citizen +>become a battery for moloch bro +retard +--- 21953345 +>>21953307 +>I read about +Jews make up a lot of lies anon +--- 21953554 +>>21953342 +>>21953344 +Cope. + +You are not the resistance, you and your impotent rhetoric are controlled opposition for the very forces you "resist" to justify their ever tightening grip. + +The fact that you are unable to become a stable human being, despite the challenges this age may level against you, is not proof of your pedigree as you may wish to pretend, but proof you are just one more faceless, meaningless, dysgenic mess. An absolute product of the times, a native to everything you think you hate. +--- 21953561 +>>21952573 +Where in UK brother? I'm in Nottinghamshire. +--- 21953574 +>>21953104 +Do you know what a flower is +--- 21953576 +>>21953104 +So ecosystems are gradated, so what, her point is to reject a world that's nothing but gradation +--- 21953587 +>>21953554 +What resistance would you prescribe, then? +>inn4 discord tranny communism +--- 21953599 +>>21953276 +>>21953290 +>BBC +Normal people don't talk in your fetish terms, you disgusting freak. diff --git a/lit/21952479.txt b/lit/21952479.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ce3c92d2f508259f278ee9bd09fce530bab3db91 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952479.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 21952479 +>read bhagavad gita after seeing it recommend on /lit/ +>get to the part where it explains how you have to remain steadfast and detach yourself when engaged in heinous, soul crushing acts; to not chase the fruits of action; to be free of anxietising about results +>9-5 job and reality in general goes a lot more smoothly these days +Pretty based ngl. I can see why Himmler aka the self-identified reincarnation of Arjuna recommend the text to all of his SS men and quoted it at length in his speeches. + +Where do I go with the Hindoos after the Bhagavad Gita? +--- 21952489 +>>21952479 (OP) +You take the German Idealism pill. +--- 21952564 +>>21952489 +Seems like a pretty big leap. +--- 21952571 +>>21952564 +You'd be surprised. + +>This science has sought refuge among the Germans and survived only among them; we have been given custody of this sacred light, and it is our vocation to tend and nurture it, and to ensure that the highest [thing] which man can possess, namely the self-consciousness of his essential being, is not extinguished and lost. +--- 21952592 +>>21952571 +Seems pretty inaccessible to my simple mind and drenched in obscurantism desu. +--- 21952912 +>>21952479 (OP) +The Upanishads +--- 21953120 +Aryan here trying to get into Hinduism, are the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali really important? +--- 21953233 +>>get to the part where it explains how you have to remain steadfast and detach yourself when engaged in heinous, soul crushing acts; +>implying karma wont bite you in the ass +--- 21953362 +>>21952912 +This.>>21952479 (OP) +>>21953120 +Not really. Guenon too although fags will cringe. Also Guenon was mistaken to leave the Church (west or east is better than Islam). +--- 21953471 +>>21953120 +If you're interested in Tantra/Left Hand Path, then definitely. +--- 21953516 +>Wagies will pretend that they have some occult knowledge that gives their slavery the semblence of dignity instead of just refusing to participate in drudgery for little reward. diff --git a/lit/21952528.txt b/lit/21952528.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..f212ebeaf9b41d7e71aa142b762d5af44090e1a6 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952528.txt @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +----- +--- 21952528 +>Scalps an Indian child +Most of the gang did that while raiding the Indian village, he just waited until later +>Kills a dog +Who cares +>Molests children +Never explicitly stated +--- 21952555 +>>21952528 (OP) +The judge knows better, the men are just animals +--- 21952723 +That’s what he tries to explain to the Kid +The Kid carries a Bible around and thinks he’s somehow a good man even after he kills the boy for claiming that his ear necklace is full of negro ears rather than Apaches +--- 21952741 +>>21952528 (OP) +>Sucks the soul out of the kid at the end +eh, who wouldn't? +--- 21952743 +The judge is not a human being +--- 21952810 +>>21952528 (OP) +>>Kills a dog +>Who cares +I care. +I wouldn't care if he killed a faggot like you though, OP. +--- 21952860 +>>21952528 (OP) +he was so evil he made a band of rapist murderers uncomfortable +--- 21953055 +>>21952528 (OP) +>the judge is no more evil +evil implies morality. the judge believes in nature the strong eat the weak, simple as. man is no different. man is made for war, and war encompasses all things that man does. +--- 21953061 +>>21953055 +Yeah that's evil lmao +--- 21953094 +>>21952528 (OP) +The judge is not particularly evil. He is unsettling. This is natural because no one would feel comfortable about a 7 ft tall mountain of a man who simultaneously reveled in killing and was also without question the smartest and most refined member of the rape and murder brigade. +--- 21953101 +>>21953094 +Mind you he is still evil as fuck just no eviler than his fellow gang members. +On reconsideration breaking into a preacher's tent and making his congregation kill him to then murder each other like dogs is pretty evil. Maybe a shade of evil darker than the rest of the gang. +--- 21953148 +>>21953061 +>natural law is le evil!! +>t. weakling beta faggot +>>21953101 +lol it was just a prank bro +--- 21953426 +>>21952528 (OP) + +he IS kinda enabling everybody tho +--- 21953440 +>>21952723 +I think the Kid carried the Bible that he couldn't even read believing that it will protect him from "forces" intangible. The Judge being a literal enigma complements that. Religion appeared because Man was at the mercy of things he could not understand. +--- 21953455 +>>21952528 (OP) +>Never explicitly stated +Idk the part where he's naked in a room with a naked child seemed pretty explicit to me diff --git a/lit/21952542.txt b/lit/21952542.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..701bfe0a0b336feb1021e217c22d51e34889ae19 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952542.txt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +----- +--- 21952542 +what culture has /ilt/ created +--- 21952553 +>>21952542 (OP) +Calling each other faggots and telling each other to kill themselves. +--- 21952560 +>>21952553 + +any author who participates in /lit/ gets shit (on) + +any author who buys ads to serve to /lit/ receives what? +--- 21952570 +>>21952542 (OP) +I wouldnt call it culture but I cant really think of anything else created in /lit/ that has left /lit/ in a meaningful way +--- 21952653 +>>21952570 + +posing with books in public places so someone can capture a photo of you appearing 'authentic' +--- 21952692 +The meisterwerks of world-famous novellist F.Gardner. +--- 21952774 +>>21952692 + +https://www.tiktok.com/@famousauthor_f_gardner +--- 21952806 +>>21952774 +>using the literary renaissance phrase I posted in the last thread +based +--- 21952930 +>>21952806 + +This renner science man sure knows how to write books +--- 21953000 +People who think typing in a box with zero other qualifiers makes them superior diff --git a/lit/21952549.txt b/lit/21952549.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..de62f2755ac0e35e1da61428de88dd3bad6e2851 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952549.txt @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +----- +--- 21952549 +Books with this feel? +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy4IsC5eb7o [Embed] +--- 21952721 +>>21952549 (OP) +the book of disquite +--- 21952924 +>>21952549 (OP) +Blood Meridian +--- 21952981 +>>21952549 (OP) +The Temptation of Saint Anthony +Jerusalem by Blake +Poems of Clark Ashton Smith +--- 21953068 +>>21952721 +>>21952924 +>>21952981 +Thanks, these are all good recommendations +--- 21953076 +>>21952549 (OP) +Darkness + +I had a dream, which was not all a dream. +The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars +Did wander darkling in the eternal space, +Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth +Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air; +Morn came and went—and came, and brought no day, +And men forgot their passions in the dread +Of this their desolation; and all hearts +Were chill'd into a selfish prayer for light: +And they did live by watchfires—and the thrones, +The palaces of crowned kings—the huts, +The habitations of all things which dwell, +Were burnt for beacons; cities were consum'd, +And men were gather'd round their blazing homes +To look once more into each other's face; +Happy were those who dwelt within the eye +Of the volcanos, and their mountain-torch: +A fearful hope was all the world contain'd; +Forests were set on fire—but hour by hour +They fell and faded—and the crackling trunks +Extinguish'd with a crash—and all was black. +The brows of men by the despairing light +Wore an unearthly aspect, as by fits +The flashes fell upon them; some lay down +And hid their eyes and wept; and some did rest +Their chins upon their clenched hands, and smil'd; +And others hurried to and fro, and fed +Their funeral piles with fuel, and look'd up +With mad disquietude on the dull sky, +The pall of a past world; and then again +With curses cast them down upon the dust, +And gnash'd their teeth and howl'd: the wild birds shriek'd +And, terrified, did flutter on the ground, +And flap their useless wings; the wildest brutes +Came tame and tremulous; and vipers crawl'd +And twin'd themselves among the multitude, +Hissing, but stingless—they were slain for food. +And War, which for a moment was no more, +Did glut himself again: a meal was bought +With blood, and each sate sullenly apart +Gorging himself in gloom: no love was left; +All earth was but one thought—and that was death +Immediate and inglorious; and the pang +Of famine fed upon all entrails—men +Died, and their bones were tombless as their flesh; +The meagre by the meagre were devour'd, +Even dogs assail'd their masters, all save one, +And he was faithful to a corse, and kept +The birds and beasts and famish'd men at bay, +Till hunger clung them, or the dropping dead +Lur'd their lank jaws; himself sought out no food, +But with a piteous and perpetual moan, +And a quick desolate cry, licking the hand +Which answer'd not with a caress—he died. +The crowd was famish'd by degrees; but two +Of an enormous city did survive, +And they were enemies: they met beside +The dying embers of an altar-place +Where had been heap'd a mass of holy things +For an unholy usage; they rak'd up, +And shivering scrap'd with their cold skeleton hands +The feeble ashes, and their feeble breath +Blew for a little life, and made a flame +Which was a mockery; then they lifted up +Their eyes as it grew lighter, and beheld +Each other's aspects—saw, and shriek'd, and died— +Even of their mutual hideousness they died, +--- 21953082 +>>21953076 +Unknowing who he was upon whose brow +Famine had written Fiend. The world was void, +The populous and the powerful was a lump, +Seasonless, herbless, treeless, manless, lifeless— +A lump of death—a chaos of hard clay. +The rivers, lakes and ocean all stood still, +And nothing stirr'd within their silent depths; +Ships sailorless lay rotting on the sea, +And their masts fell down piecemeal: as they dropp'd +They slept on the abyss without a surge— +The waves were dead; the tides were in their grave, +The moon, their mistress, had expir'd before; +The winds were wither'd in the stagnant air, +And the clouds perish'd; Darkness had no need +Of aid from them—She was the Universe. +--- 21953372 +>>21952549 (OP) +Resurrection by Tolstoy +--- 21953420 +>>21952549 (OP) +End Time City by Michael Ackerman + +>https://youtu.be/-vP3xlZRRCo [Embed] +--- 21953431 +< From the guy who wrote True Detective. +--- 21953434 +How has no one said The Road yet? + +>>21952721 +>>21952924 +Lol what are these recommendations? A Portuguese poet and desk clerk living day to day and a western…. Yeah really matches an apocalyptic album +--- 21953509 +>>21952549 (OP) +The introduction to Dead Flag Blues reads like Cormac McCarthy. + +Just saw them live this weekend, 10/10, mind blown. +--- 21953518 +>>21953509 +That's awesome. I do get dead flag blue vibes from Blood Meridian even though its a western and not dystopian like that other anon was saying. diff --git a/lit/21952563.txt b/lit/21952563.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..851283364a632c5f494e409f690d9a0460787b2f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952563.txt @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +----- +--- 21952563 +I think I'm sick, mentally, in a weirdly abstract way I can't put my finger on, but something's wrong with me. +Anyway, I haven't finished a book in ages, and I've never in my life read anything by Freud, Nietzsche, etc so I'm hoping there's something any of these guys have written to help me surmount the confusion and uncertainty that plagues me constantly. I have never read any of these guys or any great philosophers, I don't really know where to start. +I'm probably going to see a therapist, but I just want to see if I can better understand the way my mind works a little better, and maybe it'll do me some good in a general sense or put me on some sort of path towards help. +I'm just really lost and my reality is erratic and chaotic. +Who should I read? +--- 21952596 +>>21952563 (OP) +Any German philosophers will just make you depressed. And they are ultimately peddling religious ideas, so you may as well cut to the chase and become a christfag. They are more cheerful than hegelians and Marxists and other similar assholes. +--- 21952655 +>>21952596 +I've never had a problem with Christianity, but the rules of Christianity are presumably for people whose brains and mental state function normally enough to understand those virtues. +I seriously don't know what I understand and what parts of reality I take for granted without thought. I don't know if I truly feel empathy, or love, or whatever. I'm really confused about everything right now. +Maybe another Bible read will help me. I did forget to mention but I went through quite a bit of the New Testament successfully and I liked it. +--- 21952680 +>>21952655 +Read C.S.Lewis maybe. Yes, his philosophy stuff. Since you have an affinity for Christianity already. +--- 21952682 +>>21952655 +attend church +--- 21952688 +>>21952563 (OP) +Read some of the texts in which Freud engages with the Unconscious. It may help you ground some of your uncertainties. + +Since I'm not a pessimist, I'd recommend you to not engage with the Unconscious as it was an evil thing, for it is simultaneous even with your joys. Spinoza's account on immanence can make you understand why the conceptualization of the Unconscious grants you a link to the understanding of that which is not perceptible based purely on empirical data and representational thinking. +--- 21952731 +>>21952682 +Attending church makes me feel like a fraud since I did that and read the Bible a lot a few years ago but never felt the Holy Spirit's spiritual connection that you "just know". I don't, sometimes I think I never will, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what it's supposed to be. +Am I also going to hell forever because I'm not a Catholic? Am I going to hell because I am? If it were as simple as "read the Bible" I'd be ok but Catholicism is predicated on the belief that only someone ordained can discern scripture so it's not that easy. +I also just can't read the Bible without fully committing or else I feel guilty, because I know one of the things about it is that you're really supposed to give up your life to Jesus for any of that to have any meaning. +inb4 skydaddy +--- 21952748 +>>21952563 (OP) +Unless you're an artist or something (and even then) I wouldn't recommend any of the aformentioned to anyone saying +>I'm just really lost and my reality is erratic and chaotic. +Read some D. F. Lawrence instead, some Hemingway. Want to go for philosophy either way? Read Spinoza, or Hobbes. +--- 21952788 +>>21952748 +To note, when I say stuff like "my reality is erratic and chaotic" I'm not even sure if that's what I'm actually feeling. I simply don't know. I'm completely uncertain about the reality of how I feel and whether my perception of anything is correct. +I also feel like I'm less mature than I think I am, if that helps "diagnose" anything. +Regardless, I'll look into those authors. diff --git a/lit/21952603.txt b/lit/21952603.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fee254ac067b05a7a507eaea5fa03ea60d3eddc9 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952603.txt @@ -0,0 +1,32 @@ +----- +--- 21952603 +"You worthless filth," I snarled, and snatching up the High Priest by the back of his head and punched him in the mouth twice, the first blow causing him to whimper and struggle at my arm and the second blow causing his limbs to go soft as teeth in a mess of pink blood came pouring from his mouth, and he fell onto the stone floor, sobbing in humiliation and, what I had not considered at the time, more than likely the shock at experiencing 'pain' for the first time in his life. + +The soldiers of the High Priest; his 'elite guard', armored in their bright pants suits with feathers in their tin pot helmets, didn't even move as this occurred. I saw their eyes had turned wide but terror kept them in place. Their halberds quivered. One even had a large cannon clutched in his arms, all too aware that it completely useless due to not really having enough time to put a ball of lead down the barrel before I could turn him into a lump of smoking charcoal. It was a pity. I would have preferred them to have given me an excuse not to slaughter at least some of the nobles, priests and high lords in the hall. + +"Kill them all," I barked, "no mercy," and my squad laid down oblivion onto the total ruling class of this primitive alien world, utterly wiping them all out. + +The society of this planet would be altered irrevocably for our visit. Our mission was not to subjugate but to liberate and eradicate the vestiges of oppression that had held our own people back in the far distant past. We were angels of God to these people; wrathful angels who had descended upon the corrupt and tyrannical and answered all their tear-stained prayers. + +We set the place on fire when we were done, chased soldiers in the street by firing light lasers at their heels as we laughed. I ran men and women through with my jackknife, watching the life fade from their eyes close up and personal, and it was satisfying. +--- 21952609 +These alien people weren't so different from ourselves, they had a kind of golden hue to their eyes, the backs of their hands were thicker, their fingers a little longer, their noses a little more pointed and their legs a little bandier, but they were much as we were - or had been anyway, prior to our augmentation. We towered over them all, and clad in grey armor that no weapon forged on this world could hope of marking. Our weapons could cook men alive in an instant, or boil their brains in the skulls, or reduce fields full of them to screaming sobbing wrecks if we so chose to blow up their ear drums with a sonic pulse. All of these things were well within our ability. Yet I fought with my knife. Several of our squadron were of the same mind as I was, and switched to blades and blunt instruments, "fight back," we all wished they would, so we could be able to spare the bravest amongst them. But among the cultists of this planets primitive civilization; the best educated, the easiest-of-lives, their best-paid most-elite bodyguards and their commander, there was nothing of merit to be found. It made me sick to think that this was where our people ha come from once upon as well; chained in squalor while the idle-minded ponced around in brightly colored trousers. + +I tore the spine from a screaming soldier on the hooktip of my knife and stamped on what came out. The man squealed and frothed at his mouth, reduced to the capacity of a dog caught in a piece of industrial machinery. I saw his eye roll back in his skull as his limbs convulsed and jerked toward his body, like a dying spider, and I let him suffer. + + +When the business was done with our squadron chanted out the words that these people would come, in later centuries, to recite with stoic reverence as being the 'song of the Liberating Gods', and I felt my heart swell at the magnitude of what we were doing for the life of this planet. One could not gauge things in terms of civilizations or ideologies or art, not really, but by the life force itself of a planet. The humans on all worlds were the nurtured repairmen, granted life by the forests, cradled by every Good Earth in every galaxy; we the noble people of the forest. + +I flipped back the visor of my helmet and took in the scent. + +---------- +--- 21952639 +>*farts* +--- 21952652 +>>21952639 +hahaha i nearly ended it with, + +"and then I chowed down on a banana" +>noble people of the forest + +funny twist if they were monkies diff --git a/lit/21952613.txt b/lit/21952613.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..923548bd0fd09aac3d9bb10169ec5152b4bb79ef --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952613.txt @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +----- +--- 21952613 +THIS MOTHERFUCKER WAS A COMMUNIST +--- 21952617 +Is that Jesus? +--- 21952621 +>>21952617 +No, I think it's supposed to be Julius Caesar but I'm not sure... +--- 21952636 +Communism is based because it makes a lot of people seethe +--- 21952643 +>>21952636 +Capitalism or even monarchism is better at doing that though. +--- 21952700 +>>21952621 +caesar died in his 50s not him +--- 21952797 +>>21952613 (OP) +he wasn't, he had slaves. +--- 21952888 +>>21952617 +>>21952621 +>>21952700 +It's Lycurgus +--- 21952918 +>>21952613 (OP) +More like a pirate captain who decided on an equal sharing of booty among his men. +--- 21952934 +>>21952613 (OP) +shut up, helot +--- 21953065 +Plato is the source of today's Authoritarianism, both left and right. +https://www.bitchute.com/video/R1peXfkRTfKm/ +--- 21953235 +>>21952643 +Yes those things are based also +--- 21953250 +>>21952636 +Disgusted is not seething. diff --git a/lit/21952625.txt b/lit/21952625.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..24b60543ec70f18118f311c5169aeb89e98789d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952625.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21952625 +Why didn't Rogozhin simply frame prince Myshkin? +--- 21953132 +>>21952625 (OP) +Frame him for what? +--- 21953511 +>>21953132 +for killing what's her face diff --git a/lit/21952633.txt b/lit/21952633.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..460e4eba8acc95414180c75e033dd189e82a806b --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952633.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21952633 +What's /lit/'s opinion on this one? diff --git a/lit/21952642.txt b/lit/21952642.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..12209310d1e0c44b7d89b160ddaf222c121a53b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952642.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 21952642 +most profound book ive ever read is 1984 +im not necessarily stupid i just havent read many books +im still young its not too late +where to start +--- 21952646 +start with the greeks +--- 21952661 +>>21952642 (OP) +--- 21952663 +>>21952642 (OP) +>>21952661 +--- 21952664 +>>21952642 (OP) +>>21952663 +--- 21952714 +>>21952642 (OP) +start with the russians. +Tolstoy's novellas are a great entry point, being all short and sweet. +then some smaller Dostoevsky, like 'the gambler' or such. then move on to the larger works. i've heard good of 'Oblomov'. +just listing the absolutely most famous, look around, they're full of great authors. +makes me want to learn russian at some point. +--- 21952729 +>>21952642 (OP) +>im still young its not too late +how old +--- 21952750 +>>21952729 +not yet in college +--- 21952781 +>>21952642 (OP) +Moby dick is a must read, you might like don quixote but it does drag sometimes, its got charm though +--- 21952839 +>>21952781 +Im reading moby dick and so far its just homosexuality and ishmael being a schizo +--- 21953098 +http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html + +Read this list start to finish then never read another book again. diff --git a/lit/21952685.txt b/lit/21952685.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0a36498a91056e3d0bfe8d128e7154371a65a550 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952685.txt @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@ +----- +--- 21952685 +>One can only assume that France's literary scene must have been suffering a profound torpor if it responded with such outrage to this bilious, hysterical and oddly juvenile book. - Anthony Quinn for the New York Times, Nov 19, 2000 +--- 21952703 +>were the liberal jews right +no +--- 21952712 +>>21952685 (OP) +>was the NYT right +no retard +--- 21952725 +>>21952685 (OP) +Houellebecq is good to feel depressed for a while, but ultimately his books are not that good. +--- 21952738 +>>21952703 +Don't tell on yourself +--- 21952759 +>>21952725 +>has never read Elementary Particles +--- 21952848 +>>21952685 (OP) +>oddly juvenile book + +That sounds about right. +--- 21952863 +It's a devastating and beautiful book. Far and away Houellebecq's best work. +--- 21952939 +I read that, Serotonin and Whatever. Still want to read Submission an maybe something else. Serotonin is so much better than The Elementary Particles, way more focused and low to the ground than EP +--- 21952947 +>>21952939 +meant for >>21952759 +--- 21952961 +>>21952685 (OP) +Seeing what has been praised by the New York Times--and the general literary elite--in the last twenty years, makes nearly all of their criticisms for the last sixty, highly suspect. +--- 21953489 +I don’t read critics, I read scholars on specific books and authors. There’s literally no reason for literary critics, especially with book previews and libraries existing diff --git a/lit/21952747.txt b/lit/21952747.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..457aa30102a1f542b6356628ed3ff5b72060b850 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952747.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 21952747 +Two Part Question: +1. What are the best books about/set in Atlantis? + +2. I purchased Timeaus and Critias as I heard that is the origin of it's explanations. But I started reading it and was very confused. It looks like a bunch of math equations and stuff. I'm kinda new to philosophical stuff so I was just curious about that? Also does it actually tell a story about Atlantis, or is it like a page or two just saying they were so advance they destroyed themselves or something and thats it? +--- 21953105 +>>21952747 (OP) +The story of Atlantis originates with Plato and it isn't real, Plato most likely made it up as a mythic example of a society collapsing due to injustice (probably as a counter example to contemporary poetic depictions of divine people) and represents part of his (or at least Timaeus') formulation of human history as a series of cycles between extreme weather events that cause most societies to absolutely restart. +--- 21953107 +https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Atlantis:_The_Antediluvian_World + +If you're interested in an anthropology of atlantis, this is it. +--- 21953145 +>>21953105 +Yes I understand that, but my question is moreso where does Plato actually tell about Atlantis? Is it only within Timaeus? And how lengthy is it? Is it just a few pages of Timaeus? Or is Timaeus the whole story? +>>21953107 +Thanks anon, looks interesting +--- 21953162 +>>21953145 +Plato only talks about Atlantis in the first bit of Timaeus (before Timaeus begins the main monologue of the work, Critias tells the story of Atlantis given to his grandfather by Solon who received it from the Egyptians) and all of Critias. Timaeus is mostly a work of cosmogony, cosmology, and human biology. +--- 21953172 +>>21953162 +Ok so Critias is a full story of Atlantis basically, and Timaeus is just a monologue? +Thanks. Will definitely go through and read it out. + +Curiously, what was with all the math equations I saw when skimming through the book? Was philosophy tied to mathematics heavily in this period? +--- 21953187 +>>21953172 +>Was philosophy tied to mathematics heavily in this period? +Short answer, yes. +--- 21953204 +>>21953172 +Hold on, to clarify: the dialogue Timaeus has an introductory section in which the character Critias gives part of the Atlantis story, while the dialogue Critias is entirely about Atlantis. And to answer your question, for Plato and the Pythagoreans, very much yes. For both, mathematics acted as a vehicle for theoretical thinking and understanding the intelligible world. For example, in Timaeus each of the four elements are described as being made up of microscopic triangles. These triangles in turn form into different 3d shapes with their shapes reflecting certain properties observed in the elements. There is a tradition I've heard (I forget the source) that Plato's Academy had this saying inscribed above the enterence: "He who does not know geometry may not enter." +--- 21953249 +>>21952747 (OP) +>read Plato expecting it to be Narnia +lmao diff --git a/lit/21952749.txt b/lit/21952749.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..55885f32a1a501b7d5419150d6d2fda77ca7dad2 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952749.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 21952749 +What is the hottest book you've ever read? +--- 21952756 +>>21952749 (OP) +fahrenheit 451 +--- 21952760 +>>21952756 +kek. +--- 21952769 +To Serve in Hell. Fan fiction with futa dark elves. I was taking speed when I read it so my palms might not be as moist if I read it in a less uninhibited state. +--- 21952780 +Lolita +--- 21952964 +>>21952749 (OP) +Gigi +--- 21952969 +justine +--- 21953016 +>>21952749 (OP) +I defy you to name one published novel about latex rubberdoll fetishism diff --git a/lit/21952758.txt b/lit/21952758.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ff5e01be4605dd5c9f7595535aab676f650a30d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952758.txt @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +----- +--- 21952758 +What books did the third guy read? +>t. currently the second guy +--- 21952761 +>>21952758 (OP) +Bible and theology. +--- 21952764 +>>21952758 (OP) +diary of a wimpy kid +--- 21952771 +>>21952758 (OP) +Discovery of the Presence of God by David R. Hawkins +--- 21952786 +Till we have faces but you'll climb up through the second +--- 21952823 +>>21952758 (OP) +First level is surface pretty stuff. Theology etc. +Second level doomer shit, antinatalism etc. +Third level effective copes for nihilism. Nietzsche. +>>21952761 +Clearly not. +--- 21952831 +>>21952823 +You have it backwards. Left is Nietzsche, Middle is doomer stuff, Right is the Bible. +--- 21952853 +>>21952758 (OP) +It's the amount of philosophy books one reads. +--- 21952873 +>>21952853 +Did the existentialcomics retard even study Bacon? +--- 21952877 +>>21952831 +Ah, new to literature and philosophy, I see. Welcome welcome. Refrain from posting for a year though till you get the hang of things. +--- 21952908 +>>21952761 +/thread +--- 21952937 +>>21952853 +Based Baco +--- 21953596 +>>21952758 (OP) +read? he just stole a bunch of books to make a ladder... +--- 21953606 +>>21952877 +this, very much of this +--- 21953610 +>>21952758 (OP) +Science. +--- 21953626 +>>21952758 (OP) +my diary desu +--- 21953627 +>>21952761 + +This. If you read every important religious and philosophical text you're almost there. +If you're still an abrahamist at that point somehow, you'll never make it. +--- 21953651 +the last third of his stack consists of non-history and non-philosophy books, some fiction, but mostly devoted to a specific skill, and which would get him almost no replies in stack-threads. +--- 21953695 +>>21952758 (OP) +>>21953651 +It's PUA books +--- 21953696 +>>21952758 (OP) +His inner diary :) +--- 21953773 +>>21952758 (OP) +that third guy could fall down hard diff --git a/lit/21952804.txt b/lit/21952804.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..290aa2488dcb42a358cf2f4a45a0e2a45be0cf3f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952804.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21952804 +https://github.com/ingrahammark7/test/blob/master/Paste.docx diff --git a/lit/21952813.txt b/lit/21952813.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4b7e713529e63114c0909d93a353de10e11d215f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952813.txt @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +----- +--- 21952813 +How do I learn to enjoy free poetry? +--- 21952817 +>>21952813 (OP) +>calling a child a bitch +Despite the overall absurdity of the situation the poem is kind of kino +--- 21952818 +>>21952813 (OP) +Literally &mp tier poetry +--- 21952884 +>>21952813 (OP) +that's not poetry, it's shit-tier prose, read John Donne +--- 21952886 +>free +>verse +Pick one. +--- 21952894 +I don't get it it's just prose but someone hit the enter key a bunch of times? +--- 21953052 +>>21952813 (OP) +troons are mentally unhinged and the child is lucky he wasn't assaulted +--- 21953328 +>>21952813 (OP) +It's purely an exercise in virtue; enjoyment is not the object. +--- 21953341 +>>21952813 (OP) +Tranny stuff aside, people who hate children (beyond occasional annoyance) and are vocal about it are usually degenerate diff --git a/lit/21952843.txt b/lit/21952843.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..22dd5a2810d8ea64618e43419ceb9bf826655bdb --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952843.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21952843 +The neil druckmann of literature diff --git a/lit/21952864.txt b/lit/21952864.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b4b2a49f37c3b4ea70fad07fc6ae948dd4780138 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952864.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 21952864 +I'll preface this by admitting that I'm not a particularly smart person. I say this because I figured I should find some text on is the disconnect between the readers capacity to engage with the material and understand it, and what the reader falsely understands. +I've read a good handful of books, mostly the bigger names like Hume, Dostojevski, the greeks etc. I used to read them with the attitude of "I get out of them what I get" because I'm never sure if I really understand anything, Max Stirner comes to mind because it makes me feel confused and stupid and I'm not sure if the writing is just that feverish or if it is just me being stupid. +I guess I'm basically just looking for some kind of text on author intent or literary theory, I just don't know what to look for. +--- 21953512 +where is the pic from? diff --git a/lit/21952896.txt b/lit/21952896.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..75e29a1d2ccc10f7c5f808df662cdcd5c3854656 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952896.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 21952896 +post'em. be it illustrations or photographs. + +doesn't even need to be seductive, anything that catches the eye and compels readers to want to read it. diff --git a/lit/21952910.txt b/lit/21952910.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5e4b8f66553c07b950dcabaa534dfd57d00eb142 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952910.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21952910 +He was way far better off than alot of the readers this book is supposed to attract, and im still supposed to feel sorry when what i read was 177 pages of wallowing in self pity, alcoholism and self destructive behaviors towards people that actually liked him because the main character has to go in a downward spiral of constant negative overthinking of every single aspect of his life, his writting is beautiful, ill give him that, but compared to Confessions of a mask this book is pretty much the bojack horseman of literature. +--- 21952921 +>>21952910 (OP) +That is the point. It is a depression that is narcissistic and shameful, which makes it unique to write about. diff --git a/lit/21952974.txt b/lit/21952974.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b7e6f3b0ad47a99ee41482c38dddeaea71a30889 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952974.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 21952974 +>Therefore, you must have had an infinite number of prior lives. And, in an infinite number of prior lives, you’ve certainly committed an infinite number of karmas. Each and every one of those karmas produced adrishta phala. As a result, over all your past lives, you’ve accumulated an infinite amount of adrishta phala which is now waiting to fructify. The good news is that you’ve accumulated an infinite amount of punya which will bring happiness to you in this and future lives. The bad news is that you’ve also accumulated an infinite amount of papa which will bring suffering to you in this and future lives + +If you have accumulated infinite amount positive and negative karma in your past lives it should be impossible to change the ratio of good to bad sanchita karma during your life. So, you'll have similar prarabdha karma in each rebirth. +--- 21953210 +Self bump +--- 21953219 +>>21952974 (OP) +I like being a jerk to everyone. According to karma they all deserve my bad attitude and bullying. +--- 21953226 +I got memed into reading this shit diff --git a/lit/21952975.txt b/lit/21952975.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..fafe0d9ce35cd3a53a257eca82be11dc1fd2fe25 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952975.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 21952975 +>he reads female authors +--- 21953399 +>>21952975 (OP) +I don't think I've read a book by a female author except when required to in school. I wasn't trying to avoid female authors, they just don't write any good books. +--- 21953401 +>he doesn't diff --git a/lit/21952977.txt b/lit/21952977.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a4c5050e9e34447630aed2837a8c346b399d3327 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952977.txt @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +----- +--- 21952977 +I need to write a story for a space exploration video game, most of my writing experience is from shitposting on 4chan. Any tips? +--- 21953012 +>>21952977 (OP) +Context? If you just need ideas then you'll have to come up with them yourselves or at least tell us what you want. If you want tips on prose writing then you'll have to post an excerpt. There is no one right way to structure a story, and what works for one style of game might be silly or impossible for another. +--- 21953034 +>>21953012 +isn't there usually structure to creative writing, like a protagonist, building action, climax, resolution. or is that not always the case +--- 21953071 +>>21953034 +Well, yeah, but that varies so much anyway and if you have literally any experience with any media you can pretty much figure the broad outline out for yourself. You need characters and a conflict, an inciting incident for the conflict, and then a way for the characters to resolve that conflict after overcoming a set of minor conflicts/levels/missions which then culminate in one big conflict/mission which leads to the end. Obviously you should know what your structure is and what role each part of your story serves, but you don't need to follow some rigid pre-made outline. diff --git a/lit/21952979.txt b/lit/21952979.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e09a7bee3a5a1c4a070b0d96c49305be3eb3f828 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952979.txt @@ -0,0 +1,27 @@ +----- +--- 21952979 +is this the best edition of heraclitus +--- 21952995 +>>21952979 (OP) +First I have to ask: what are you looking for in an edition? +--- 21952998 +>>21952995 +A good translation of the fragments of his work with good commentary +--- 21953021 +>>21952979 (OP) +>heraclitus +>he doesn't know +>hairy clitorus +you got trolled my friend +--- 21953045 +>>21953021 +No man sucks the same hairy clitoris twice. +--- 21953049 +>>21952979 (OP) +I want to know too. Need a modern scholar to get me up to speed, you don't just raw dog a pre-Socratic +--- 21953067 +>>21952998 +I've used a few, OP's pic, Loeb's Early Greek Philosophy, McKirahan's Philosophy Before Socrates, Kirk's Heraclitus: The Cosmic Fragments, Barnes' The Presocratic Philosophers, and Waterfield's The First Philosophers. Out of them, I'd say the best commentaries were from Kahn and Kirk, but you should have a decent grasp on Greek to understand them fully. If you want a more introductory commentary, Waterfield is very basic but gets the job done while McKirahan and Barnes give great foundational context and general interpretation. Loeb's edition is useful simply to have the Greek directly with a pretty literal translation and a more recent critical apparatus for the Greek. +--- 21953080 +>>21953067 +Also forgot to mention, Kahn has a translation facing the Greek text and cites Greek terms in the Latin alphabet while Kirk only cites the Greek and is less friendly to a non-Greek reader diff --git a/lit/21952985.txt b/lit/21952985.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..588cee3411a32fb826a85572c774312cef8c3577 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21952985.txt @@ -0,0 +1,193 @@ +----- +--- 21952985 +is it possible to get /lit/ back to it's glory days? +--- 21952994 +>>21952985 (OP) +>we hope that at least one of us can last longer than all the failed book clubs +"..." +We still have book clubs anyway. There was a Plotinus one going for months. I think there was a Joyce one too like in the past year or so +--- 21953017 +>>21952985 (OP) +Might as well try to get the whole site back to its glory days. +--- 21953030 +>>21953017 +would be like trying to get slashdot back to its glory days. can't roll back time, man. +--- 21953069 +>>21953030 +we can atleast try +--- 21953083 +there should be atleast 2-3 threads of book clubs running concurrently. +this board is filled with dead threads, we can atleast try to change to that +--- 21953118 +>>21953017 +yeah that's not gonna happen, but getting a board to function in a proper way is not a big task +--- 21953121 +I've considered trying to start a continuous book club for short stories, nut I never actually go through with. Didn't want to choose any particular theme, and I thought it would be a good way to get people directly engaging with texts and reading a greater variety of authors. +--- 21953122 +>>21952985 (OP) +Oh hey I remember participating in this book club +--- 21953125 +>>21953083 +Then make one. +I genuinely would, but have term papers/finals coming up and won't have the free time to run a regular thread. +--- 21953129 +>>21952985 (OP) +I remember I used to get flamed on /a/ if I wrote grammatically incorrect sentences. +--- 21953133 +>>21952985 (OP) +4chan is dead in general +only board that seems popular is /v/ +--- 21953134 +>>21953083 +Every time I try to start a thread about literature one of the tranny jannies deletes it and bans me +>hey, here's some news about book bans in schools +BANNED +>hey, here's some statistics on reader demographics +BANNED +>hey, let's share our favorite quotes or passages +BANNED +>lets talk about "sensitivity readers" +BANNED +>can you believe the bullshit in these manuscript wish lists? +BANNED + +At this point every time I start a thread on /lit/, no matter how mundane, even if it's a repost of something I found on /lit/, I have to prep myself for a no-you-cant-refute-this 3 day ban. +--- 21953137 +>>21953134 +Is this a joke? Because this +>hey, let's share our favorite quotes or passages +Is the only thing you listed that is actually a thread about literature +--- 21953142 +>>21953134 +based jannies. most of that shit belongs on /pol/, which leads me to infer that the stuff which doesn't belong on /pol/ is also justifiably removable, and you sound like you contribute nothing positive to the quality of this board. +--- 21953151 +recommendation-fags and philosophy-fags should have their own generals +--- 21953203 +>>21953142 +Jannie is that you calling yourself based +--- 21953207 +>>21953142 +>>21953137 +Yeah, you're right. What /lit/ really needs is yet another bookshelf thread, and another discussion on ballpoint pens, and a handwriting thread, and let's discuss Harry Potter-- no, not the books, lets discuss the video game and the HBO series and J K Rowling's problematic beliefs. Yeah, these need to be on page 0 all day every day, forever. Fuck me for wanting to talk about books. +--- 21953209 +blooooood meridian posters should be executed on sight. +i get that it's a great book, but holy shit make a general thread or something rather than shitting all over the board +--- 21953227 +>>21953207 +it's all show off +--- 21953231 +>>21953227 +vanity +--- 21953232 +>>21953137 +They're all topics related to literature, dumbass. Kill yourself. +--- 21953237 +this belongs to >>/adv/ + +fuck jannies +--- 21953240 +What we really need is another Unreal Press shill thread where they casually dox people who make fun of them. That will save /lit/. +--- 21953274 +>>21953122 +>>21953129 +good times +--- 21953279 +>>21953200 +>screenshotting your own threads. +--- 21953303 +>>21953279 +are you retarded? +--- 21953309 +>>21952985 (OP) +>tripfag +>glory +--- 21953346 +Can I say something potentially controversial? + +I think /sffg/ is a mistake and should be discontinued. I think ghettoizing discussion of science fiction and fantasy is a bad idea. You may not like the average sci-fi and fantasy book, but it's still a book, and having individual threads on this or that sci-fi or fantasy book, even if it's random and not popular, is a better use of space in the catalog than yet another religion thread or yet another thread about Nietzsche by someone who clearly hasn't read him. + +Honestly I even miss the days of regular ASOIAF threads. Though there's nothing for that, the fat fuck is going to go to his grave never releasing another book. +--- 21953358 +>>21953200 +>>21953207 +Dont forget the tattoo discussion thread. That's what I come to /lit/ for: to share my sick tatts. +--- 21953361 +>>21953134 +>I'm a /pol/nigger who posts /pol/nigger ragebait and culture war bullshit on /lit/, why am I getting banned? +Based janny. +--- 21953366 +>>21953361 +Please explain how those are /pol/ topics. +--- 21953367 +>>21953346 +In all honesty, I bet that the genre fiction readers probably read more and are more willing/able to actually discuss books than the rest of us on this board. +--- 21953375 +>>21953358 +--- 21953381 +>>21953367 +i agree with this sentiment +--- 21953385 +>>21953366 +he can't +--- 21953389 +>>21953125 +which book should we pick? any suggestions +--- 21953410 +>>21953389 +>anna karenina +>crime and punishment +>in search of lost time +>don quixote +>dickens +>grapes of wrath +--- 21953416 +>>21953346 +>I think /sffg/ is a mistake and should be discontinued. +Based. +>I think ghettoizing discussion of science fiction and fantasy is a bad idea. +Cringe. +--- 21953421 +>>21953410 +something different? +>the tartar steppe +>Waiting for the Barbarians +>The Fortress +>Nostalgia (Mircea Cartarescu) +>The Dwarf - Par Lagerkvist +>The Magic Mountain +>Hunger +--- 21953464 +>>21953133 +>go on /v/ +>10 fapbait threads, webm thread spammed with non-/v/ posts, reposts upon reposts of the same shitflinging topic with zero change in discussion, occasional ERP and monkey torture +Yeah, shit's grim. Some of the hobby boards that lend well to consistent output from the anons that populate them are alright, though, /lit/ somewhat included. +--- 21953476 +The problem, other than just the redditification of the entire internet, is that /lit/ is a board with a high floor for discussion. /v/ is like playing in a sandbox and so is /int/ it’s all just memes really. To have an actual discussion, even if it’s just parroting other’s viewpoints Good-Will-Hunting-bar-scene style, on literature and philosophy requires a degree of knowledge of history which is both broader and deeper than most people will ever achieve or aspire to. 90% of people live in the last 150 years of the world and 9% live in the last 300. Seriously, what person do you know who can tell you enough about the political and economic atmosphere of Ancient Greece such that Plato and Aristotle can make sense as not only historical figures but as thinkers as well. Specifically, I mention this because this is baseline understanding for then understanding Marx. But, you also have the tradition of German Idealism to reckon with both politically and ideologically if you’re to understand why Marx came to the conclusions he did (for example, expelling Christianity from Hegel’s dialectic by way of the left and right Hegelian divide to arrive at a secular dialectical materialism). And that’s not to say that’s everyone here is master of philosophy, far from it, merely that the baseline for having generative conversations that don’t devolve into “well I think this” “cool, I think this” is slightly higher than making 20 Lucky-Star threads on /a/ per day. Additionally, there’s the general problem of the internet becoming more hierarchical and openly antagonistic/addictive such that thinking has been rigidified into general frameworks incel/chad, chud/troon, blackpilled/whitepilled, etc which has aestheticized internet discourse into a pre-determined zone for each viewpoint which carries its own essential logic and makes further engagement with content redundant as pre-formed opinions are already presented to you aestheticized to your own personal narrative. It’s kind of like how TV sitcoms have laugh tracks for the jokes so that you can “laugh” at them vicariously thereby taking the last vestige of engagement with the content and control the viewers reaction to it. Most of all internet traffic is bots… strange, where are they? +--- 21953485 +>>21953133 +/v/ died when the YouTube generation started spamming eceleb shit, just before gamer gay. Visiting now, it's just full of anime horseshit. +--- 21953543 +I have a plan and I'm going to execute it. we will read the most influential book from century starting from the 1st century to 21st. It's not a easy task but I'm willing to do it. +--- 21953550 +>>21953543 +/BOC/ - book of the century +--- 21953597 +>>21952985 (OP) +Too many r*dditrefugees, also have you seen our faggot jannies that turned this board to shit for free. +--- 21953721 +>>21953083 +Nobody even talks about books written by authors from here, why would you think this place is actually going to start thriving? +--- 21953744 +The currently failing Old Testament reading book club is disappointing. +--- 21953745 +>>21953550 +/bbc/ - best book of the century +--- 21953757 +>>21953721 +I liked Infinite Money Jest and Chicken World just fine. Latter has the touch of genius, but kinda cackhanded, former pretty professional without aiming too high. +--- 21953766 +>>21953757 +I gotta get a copy of Chicken World! +--- 21953777 +>>21953744 +the bible is a disappointment diff --git a/lit/21953005.txt b/lit/21953005.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..45dbb3afa73553e0621e0258cdadd8d3c3bec8ff --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953005.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21953005 +>Man at the stall, another in a hall, both sharing solitary appall. +--- 21953064 +>>21953005 (OP) +This guy got into Grad School and I didn't. diff --git a/lit/21953041.txt b/lit/21953041.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b7a79b6799277bb37d6f57e64bd2b3ad2c34f70e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953041.txt @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +----- +--- 21953041 +What seperates good genre fiction from bad genre fiction? +--- 21953043 +Literature +--- 21953169 +>>21953043 +fpbp +--- 21953174 +>>21953041 (OP) +My objectively correct and universally applicable opinion. +--- 21953260 +>>21953041 (OP) +I started it, immediately got bored, and started reading fucking Belgariad instead. It's delightfully bog standard. Practically videogame writing. +--- 21953272 +>>21953041 (OP) +My taste desu diff --git a/lit/21953096.txt b/lit/21953096.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b8446fdc5ab5889490be34fc6339788341243fe9 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953096.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21953096 +Where to go next if you like Saul Newman and Stirner? diff --git a/lit/21953119.txt b/lit/21953119.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..8bd81b1a7451caed4d987a18c27477686fdabcb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953119.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21953119 +Where do you guys buy your poetry collections from? Any preferred publishers or editions? I've been meaning to pick up some complete collections of my favorite poets but I'm just wondering if there are any specific publishers you guys prefer. Good annotations and that sort of thing are always useful. +--- 21953147 +I usually buy used, as it's for the most part valueless , you can get some quite nifty hardbacks on the cheap. + +Otherwise it depends Everyman does quite a good addition of Herbert and Dunne. Penguin still has some good collections for the more minor poets (though they've been phasing those out lately) +LOA does Justice to most of the American poets. +And Faber of course has a massive catalog of excellence scholarly additions. Their 2 vol Eliot, done by Christopher ricks, is a thing of beauty. diff --git a/lit/21953126.txt b/lit/21953126.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..da4a7b6905897411f5e044652e2ee568e5b79f4e --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953126.txt @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +----- +--- 21953126 +"Just because it didnt happen doesn't mean its not true" How brain-addled is this guy, seriously? +--- 21953202 +>>21953126 (OP) +The myth is superior to the fact. Bugmen are unable to understand this. diff --git a/lit/21953166.txt b/lit/21953166.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a4516373cf77922c851a12488e88ccd88b7dbae5 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953166.txt @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +----- +--- 21953166 +Post your three favorite books you read so far in 2023 +--- 21953453 +>>21953166 (OP) + +moby dick, dune, gravity's rainbow + +fuck you. +--- 21953460 +>>21953166 (OP) +1. +2. +3. diff --git a/lit/21953199.txt b/lit/21953199.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0d261cda70384c1d4b49f79bc1304538990603b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953199.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21953199 +is 4chan too racist to talk about this book? diff --git a/lit/21953214.txt b/lit/21953214.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..17ba781e59a48e8ccbcbc27efe4043837c1848dd --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953214.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 21953214 +>tfw you can't reach the grapes or drink the water +--- 21953356 +>>21953214 (OP) +>can't drink the water +Idiot +https://youtu.be/Go2qFO2IWog [Embed] diff --git a/lit/21953224.txt b/lit/21953224.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..7d09f577399369bf09ccfe2aca2aeb0575380e16 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953224.txt @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +----- +--- 21953224 +The defining feature of vulgarity is a lack of intrinsic being, a contingent fixity that determines thought as an assortment of abstract concepts designed to flatter an equally abstract concept of self. + +For instance, treating great philosophers as though they are memes flatters an abstract concept of self as a quirky individual who treats rather obscure, abstract knowledge as a pseudo-competitive topic (memeing Hegel as against Schopenhauer, for instance), and this self-concept would be brought about through the contingent, fixed, abstract concepts of thought that would lead to philosophical writings being portrayed as quirky in certain contexts, a 4chan post, for instance. + +This is an example of a vulgar self-consciousness. Many people spend their whole lives like this. + +The reality is that the subject is this negation, the process of its own self-mediation with itself. Another way to put this is, “the signifier is that which represents the subject for another signifier,” if we’re looking for a Lacanian spin. + +What isn’t vulgar, what is profound — determinations of thought that are in-and-for themselves. +--- 21953352 +>>21953224 (OP) +I am free, I am alone, I am otherless, I am eternal, I am unlimited, I am infinite, I am actionless, I am thoughtless, I am formless, I am soundless, I am touchless, I am sightless, I am tasteless, I am smelless, I am one, I am distinctionless, I am reality, I am reflectionless, I am timeless, I am spaceless, I am directionless, I am partless, I am determinationless, I am willess, I am subjectless, I am objectless, I am measureless, I am unknown, I am voidless, I am fullness, I am motionless, I am stationless, I am lapseless, I am durationless, I am bodiless, I am deathless, I am lifeless, I am knowerless, I am witnessless, I am sleepless, I am wakeless, I am tireless, I am dreamless, I am boundless + +I am indestructible, I am impartite, I am infinite, I am pure, I am only-existent, I am unique, I am perfect, I am perturbationless, I am vibrationless, I am causeless, I am effectless, I am creationleas, I am destructionless, I am energyless, I am tremorless, I am spontaneous, I am concentrationless, I am contactless, I am unionless, I am beginningless, I am endless, I am durationless, I am cycleless, I am exhaustionless, I am mediationless, I am peopeless, I am immediate + +I am I am I am I am I am I am I am Lam Lam I am Mam I am mai I am I am La. kmajajanajana anauaja Hahahahahahahahahahana +--- 21953377 +>>21953352 +I forgot: I am Tranceless and Remebranceless +--- 21953482 +>>21953224 (OP) +The defining feature of vulgarity is the fullness of instrinsic being, a necessary fluidity that determines thought as an assortment of substantial acts designed to flatter an equally actual, and fluid, reality of self. + +For instance, treating great philosophers as though they are memes actualizes the absolute individual who treats rather obscure, abstract knowledge as a self-consciously pseudo-intellectual topic (memeing Hegel as against Schopenhauer, for instance), and this self-concept would be brought about through the purely substantial categories of thought that would lead to philosophical writings being portrayed as mocking and humorous in certain contexts, a 4chan post, for instance. + +This is an example of a vulgar self-consciousness. Only a few self-actualized consciousnesses attain to their fullest extent in this respect. + +The reality is that the subject is both this negation and its fullest affirmation, the process of its own self-mediation with itself. Another way to put this is, “the signifier is that which represents the subject for another signifier,” if we’re looking for a Lacanian spin. + +What is vulgar, what is profound — determinations of thought that are in-and-for themselves. +--- 21953506 +>>21953224 (OP) +Hegel was a manlet and Schopenhauer was copemaxxed diff --git a/lit/21953238.txt b/lit/21953238.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..762378e0a479597a0ada13b9b324deb5dd372eef --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953238.txt @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +----- +--- 21953238 +>Ugly +>Manlet +>Small penis +>Incel +>Raised by single mother +>Shitskin +>Circumcised +>Wagecuck +>Molested by cousin as a child +>Bullied throughout all school +>Own nothing +>Live in low-trust third-world shithole +>Guns are banned in shithole so no fast and almost painless way to commit suicide +Fuck my life. +--- 21953265 +>>21953238 (OP) +Read this poem + +I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree, +And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made; +Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee, +And live alone in the bee-loud glade. + +And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow, +Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings; +There midnight’s all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow, +And evening full of the linnet’s wings. + +I will arise and go now, for always night and day +I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore; +While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey, +I hear it in the deep heart’s core. + +Your race and body and everything dont matter. Feel it, feel what you cant describe +--- 21953268 +>>21953238 (OP) +Cmon bro. Dont give up. +--- 21953329 +>>21953238 (OP) +Become a Buddhist. +--- 21953353 +>have social anxiety +>poor and can't find a job +>plagued by chronic pains +>knees don't allow me to do heavy jobs +>literally cursed, so I have also spiritual chronic pain as a result of some particular occult dabbling, makes me even lose hair (but at least I'm not going bald) +>kissless virgin +>always horny, fapping improves my mood but makes my curse more painful +>afraid if I have sex with a woman because she may get my curse +>very empathic, feel bad for bad things happening to other +>one of the main reasons I don't commit suicide is because my death will hurt my family (which I despise because they always complain about stupid stuff to make me feel like shit) +I recently got convinced that fate is real. I want to stop suffering more than anything but my will can do nothing against my all the interior and exterior factors. +--- 21953357 +I am reading Heart of Darkness atm as well as the short stories of Edgar Allan Poe and Gogol +What does this have to do with a terrible life? I don't know but I find immersion through fiction helps me a lot and the further the stories are from my own life the better +--- 21953364 +>obsessive compulsive disorder +>gay +>poor +>bullied through school +>never express my emotions to anyone +>agreeable to a fault (schizos and homeless seem to detect this and constantly talk to me) +>only thing I want to do is write but wracked by self-consciousness +>wish I could write with the self-abandon I used to when I was a child +--- 21953374 +>>21953364 +Forgot to mention +>didn’t graduate high school due to depression +>no tertiary education +>had a job working from home +>it died during COVID +>on welfare but govt wants me to find more work +--- 21953382 +>>21953238 (OP) +yeah its called a TEXTBOOK and if you read it you can GET A JOB instead of whining all day +--- 21953393 +>>21953364 +>gay +Suicide was always the only option for you. +--- 21953395 +>>21953238 (OP) +>Ugly +False unless you have zoomer hair. +>Manlet +Unless you fell for the silly memes poking fun at male insecurity, everything above 170cm (5'57" for barbarian units) is above manlet range +>Small penis +Literally doesn't matter. So long as you have one at all, it won't change anything. Even on Tinder, your penis means nothing. +>Incel +False unless you hate women. In that case its a GG for you. +>Raised by single mother +Good. +>Shitskin +Unless you live in Hungary or something, it doesn't matter because either you live among shitskins or shitskins are accepted +>Circumcised +See above about penis size +>Wagecuck +Almost everyone is +>Molested by cousin as a child +Hot if female cousin +>Bullied throughout all school +A lot of people were +>Own nothing +You think you're the only one? +>Live in low-trust third-world shithole +So does everyone around you +>Guns are banned in shithole so no fast and almost painless way to commit suicide +Good. +--- 21953428 +>>21953238 (OP) +notes from the underground +--- 21953532 +>>21953395 +pure copium +--- 21953545 +>>21953395 +>>Raised by single mother +>Good. +fucking lol +--- 21953546 +>>21953395 +he's right +--- 21953553 +>>21953238 (OP) +Think less, do more. Focus on physical fitness. You'll feel better about yourself. +--- 21953604 +>>21953238 (OP) +Sending you a warm hug anon. I understand the pain. +--- 21953624 +>>21953238 (OP) +>Molested by cousin as a child +>Incel + +couldn't have been that bad. diff --git a/lit/21953340.txt b/lit/21953340.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..c0bf4cde3c4510e7d1db2a9554585b0974f5799f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953340.txt @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ +----- +--- 21953340 +Pic related has influenced more people than all Great Philosophers combined + +Literature about this phenomenon? +--- 21953365 +>>21953340 (OP) + +Worms are bigger than elephants + +Literature about this phenomenon? +--- 21953376 +Philosophy isn't a competition on who has the biggest "influence" on the most people, otherwise philosophers would be dropping nukes +--- 21953379 +>>21953340 (OP) +>Pic related has influenced more people than all Great Philosophers combined +not even true lol +--- 21953383 +>>21953340 (OP) +>Literature about this phenomenon? +A Confederacy of Dunces +--- 21953386 +>>21953340 (OP) +Early-to-middle generation zoomers are hardly people +--- 21953411 +>>21953376 +Sounds like a kino premise for a novel ngl +Also, fuck OP. She needs to go back. +--- 21953438 +Nice b8 nigger +--- 21953717 +>>21953340 (OP) +> Literature about this phenomenon? +Wikipedia article about demagogue. +--- 21953740 +>>21953340 (OP) +Greta Thunberg hast influenced more people than him. Imagine getting btfo by a 16 y.o. girl +--- 21953752 +>>21953340 (OP) +Tate is 100% astroturfed fake shit. diff --git a/lit/21953347.txt b/lit/21953347.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1e3587fc6bbffcd4270689146dc7f8bd8427536d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953347.txt @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +----- +--- 21953347 +Celine really should have excluded the africa part. +--- 21953349 +That's the best part +--- 21953351 +>>21953347 (OP) +It is probably the best part of the novel. It only takes a drop off in quality well after he returns to France. The last hundred pages or so. diff --git a/lit/21953370.txt b/lit/21953370.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..810aaa3e36ec473eace3645ca5b702c65bb47bcd --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953370.txt @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +----- +--- 21953370 +>writing philosophy essay +>realize i misunderstood a point and it turns out the author im criticizing is actually giving a better version of the theory i'm advocating +>too late to start over +>have to lie to my reader about what random person X says +mfw +--- 21953380 +>>21953370 (OP) +Lol what was it anon diff --git a/lit/21953387.txt b/lit/21953387.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..cd2f6963110dd98402ce0a96c0e9b127d0fe9b71 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953387.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 21953387 +>Pygmalion watched them pass their lives in crime. +>And, outraged by the myriad faults that nature +>gave women’s minds, he long lived on his own +>without a wife and shared his bed with no one. +>Meanwhile, with his astounding art, he sculpted +>a statue from white ivory and gave it +>beauty with which no woman can be born. +>He fell in love with his own masterpiece! +>She looks like a real virgin—alive, you’d think, +>and wishing to be roused, if not so modest +>So much does art hide art! Pygmalion marvels +>as his heart drinks in flames for man-made flesh. +>He often strokes his masterpiece to test +>whether she’s flesh or that same ivory, +>and won’t admit she still is ivory. +>He kisses her and thinks she kisses back. +>He speaks to her and holds her and believes +>his fingers sink into the arms he’s touched— +>and fears that he will bruise her if he presses. +>Now he tries sweet talk, now he brings her gifts +>pleasing to girls—fresh pearls and polished stones, +>small birds and flowers in a thousand hues, +>lilies, bright balls, and the Heliades’ +>tree-fallen tears. He decks her limbs in clothes, +>puts jewels on her fingers and long pendants +>around her neck. Smooth beads hang from her ears +>and ribbons drape her chest. Everything suits her. +>And nude she’s no less beautiful to look at. +>He lays her down on blankets dyed with purple. +>calls her his bedmate, and reclines her head +>against soft pillows as if she can feel them. +--- 21953413 +Pygmalion confirmed for /ourguy/ +--- 21953442 +>>21953413 +Bit rude according to the Aeneid tho diff --git a/lit/21953390.txt b/lit/21953390.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..ae199099b4593dac94d0ad2a777cb04e0be9433c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953390.txt @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +----- +--- 21953390 +Who's in the wrong here? +--- 21953394 +>>21953390 (OP) +Umberto Eco has a picture of the happy merchant in The Prague Cemetery for some reason lol +--- 21953400 +>>21953394 +the character is an antisemite so it makes sense. +--- 21953429 +Isn't it obvious??? +--- 21953441 +>>21953429 +Beautiful. A remixed version with the horn of Amalthea would be even better. +--- 21953445 +>>21953390 (OP) +Carlos! +--- 21953446 +>>21953390 (OP) +It's weird how they have the pyramids there while slating the Jews. Islam is no less foreign than Judaism. +This is like those wignat tradcath antisemites that think Catholicism represents traditional English values. +The people of the desert and their cults have been a disaster for the human race. +--- 21953452 +>>21953446 +ywnbaw +--- 21953472 +>>21953452 +Oh shut up you gay cunt. +--- 21953473 +>>21953446 +Are you slow? The pyramids are a symbol for Egypt as a country, not Pharaonic Egypt only. +--- 21953478 +>>21953472 +cope hon +--- 21953492 +>>21953473 +The Pyramids represent the Book of the Dead, Cleopatra and Egypt before Islam arrived and undid the old religion +--- 21953502 +>>21953492 +They represent Egypt as a nation. +--- 21953505 +>>21953446 +>>21953492 +What a retard lol +--- 21953507 +>>21953492 +They represent Egypt as a tourist destination, that's it. You had your chance to cry about colonialism and exploitation, but you wasted it on the tradcath moral panic. +--- 21953510 +meds +--- 21953520 +>>21953492 +>The Pyramids represent the Book of the Dead, Cleopatra and Egypt before Islam +>>Cleopatra (The Macedonian inbred Ptolemaic foreign queen) +These are the kind of "people" that browse /lit/ these days +--- 21953529 +The more if learn about Judaism the more I hate Jews +--- 21953562 +>>21953529 +The more if learn about anything the more I hate Jews. +--- 21953570 +>>21953529 +The greatest trick the Jews ever pulled was convincing America they were white. +--- 21953586 +>>21953473 + +Which is why I said it was weird, goofball. It's a pre-Islamic monument. I'm surprised ISIS haven't destroyed them all, they're completely unguarded. +--- 21953607 +>>21953390 (OP) +I love Egypt now I guess +--- 21953650 +>>21953570 +Haym Solomon +--- 21953707 +>>21953492 +>4000 years older than cleopatra +>represent cleopatra anyway diff --git a/lit/21953396.txt b/lit/21953396.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..e786f1858c880f8a339fcc44fbb06708be1fb390 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953396.txt @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +----- +--- 21953396 +I'm going to read it, what am I in for? +I'm going in completely blind, I don't know anything about the author or the context of the novels. diff --git a/lit/21953405.txt b/lit/21953405.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d7c5e028bf530e0e1ee592f76934bda04cd7cd11 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953405.txt @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +----- +--- 21953405 +A long time ago I read a short story which left a strong impression on me. I can't recall whether it was in a collection or an anthology or anything like that. + +Essentially, a nation's political leader who is very successful decided he had had enough and that it was time to step away and enjoy his personal life. He moves to another country and sort of fades into anonymity. + +But as a result of him abandoning his post and his role, the world starts to tilt into war as his successors are not as good as keeping the peace as he was. And now he's just as lone civilian in another nation, maybe it was in South America, where he now lives and he sees the world getting into war and the story ends with him seeing fighter jets in the sky and him knowing that if he had stayed in the job he could have prevented the war. + +Can someone please help me remember the name of the story? +--- 21953443 +It’s called reality, and the character you’re referring to is Ron Paul. diff --git a/lit/21953412.txt b/lit/21953412.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..dfd8b7844184c1d1563add9165f2fde2c9c1d736 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953412.txt @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +----- +--- 21953412 +>George was the main person of the literary and academic group known as the George-Kreis ("George-Circle"), which included some of the major, young writers of the time such as Friedrich Gundolf and Ludwig Klages. In addition to sharing cultural interests, the group promoted mystical and political themes. George knew and befriended the "Bohemian Countess" of Schwabing, Fanny zu Reventlow, who sometimes satirised the group for its melodramatic actions and opinions. George and his writings were identified with the Conservative Revolutionary philosophy. He was homosexual, yet exhorted his young friends to have a celibate life like his own. +>Stefan George's "evident homosexuality"[35] is represented by works such as Algabal and the love poetry he devoted to a gifted adolescent of his acquaintance named Maximilian Kronberger,[36] whom he called "Maximin", and whom he believed to be a manifestation of the divine. +--- 21953419 +>Alfred Schuler (22 November 1865 – 8 April 1923) was a German classicist, esotericist, ceremonial magician, mystagogue, writer, poet, and independent scholar. +>Schuler studied law and archaeology at the University of Munich, and made his living as an independent scholar after his studies. Though devoid of political motives, Schuler's research into the historic significance of the swastika may have led to its appropriation by the Nazi movement. +>Alfred Schuler and Ludwig Klages developed a doctrine according to which the Occident was plagued by downfall and degeneration, caused by the rationalizing and demythologizing effects of Christianity, held to be responsible for the betrayal of life's primary forces. +>he firmly believed that an exotic dance performed by young, nubile men could cure Friedrich Nietzsche, the pioneering philosopher of gay rights, of the madness he had developed. +--- 21953424 +>>21953412 (OP) +>>George was the main person of the literary and academic group known as the George-Kreis ("George-Circle") +Wowie, never would have guessed that one. +--- 21953427 +>Hans Blüher (17 February 1888 in Freiburg in Schlesien – 4 February 1955 in Berlin) was a German writer and philosopher. He attained prominence as an early member and "first historian" of the Wandervogel movement. +>During the transition from the German Empire to the Weimar liberal democracy, Blüher, a radical conservative and monarchist, became a staunch opponent of the Weimar Republic. In 1928, he had the opportunity to meet the former Kaiser Wilhelm II, in exile in the Netherlands. Blüher believed that pederasty and male bonding provided a basis for a stronger nation and state, which became a popular concept within certain segments of the Hitler Youth.[1] Blüher later supported the Nazis but turned on them in 1934, when SA leader Ernst Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders during the Night of the Long Knives. +--- 21953435 +>Hanns Heinz Ewers (3 November 1871 – 12 June 1943) was a German actor, poet, philosopher, and writer of short stories and novels. +>During the last years of the Weimar Republic, Ewers became involved with the burgeoning Nazi Party, attracted by its nationalism, its Nietzschean moral philosophy, and its cult of Teutonic culture, and joined the NSDAP in 1931. He did not agree with the party's anti-Semitism (his character Frank Braun has a Jewish mistress, Lotte Levi, who is also a patriotic German) and this and his homosexual tendencies soon ended his welcome with party leaders. In 1934 most of his works were banned in Germany, and his assets and property seized.[1] +--- 21953439 +>Thomas Mann (6 June 1875 – 12 August 1955) was a German novelist, short story writer, social critic, philanthropist, essayist, and the 1929 Nobel Prize in Literature laureate. +>During World War I, Mann supported Kaiser Wilhelm II's conservatism, attacked liberalism and supported the war effort, calling the Great War "a purification, a liberation, an enormous hope". In his 600-page-long work Reflections of a Nonpolitical Man (1918), Mann presented his conservative, anti-modernist philosophy: spiritual tradition over material progress, German patriotism over egalitarian internationalism, and rooted culture over rootless civilisation.[39][40] +>Mann's diaries reveal his struggles with his homosexuality, which found reflection in his works, most prominently through the obsession of the elderly Aschenbach for the 14-year-old Polish boy Tadzio in the novella Death in Venice +--- 21953448 +>Gustav Adolf Franz Brand (14 November 1874 – 2 February 1945) was a German writer, egoist anarchist, and pioneering campaigner for the acceptance of male bisexuality and homosexuality. +>Brand formed Gemeinschaft der Eigenen with the scientist (and principal theorist) Benedict Friedlaender and Wilhelm Jansen. To this new group, male-male love, in particular that of an older man for a youth, was viewed as a simple aspect of virile manliness available to all men; they rejected the medical theories of doctors such as Magnus Hirschfeld who found that a gay man was a certain type of person, the intermediate sex.[4] The GdE was a sort of scouting movement that echoed the warrior creed of Sparta and the ideals of pederasty in Ancient Greece, and the ideas on pedagogic eros of Gustav Wyneken. +>The Gemeinschaft opposed Hirschfeld and the Scientific-Humanitarian Committee's stance that homosexuality existed on a continuum with femininity. Brand and the Gemeinschaft instead believed that homosexuality was the epitome of manliness and brotherly love, to be expressed by any man. The group tended towards elitism who based their ideas of attractiveness around Germanic racial purity. Their views towards women were often misogynistic. +--- 21953462 +>>21953448 +What a fag. +--- 21953470 +>Karl-Günther Heimsoth (4 December 1899, Charlottenburg – July 1934, Berlin) was a German physician, polygraph, and politician. Heimsoth was a member of the Nazi Party and later the Communist Party of Germany. +>Between August and November 1924 Heimsoth wrote at Rostock his dissertation entitled Hetero- und Homophilie ("Hetero- and Homophilia"), which was devoted to homosexuality.[4] With this work, Heimsoth was probably the first to introduce the term "homophilia" in sexology.[5] +>In his writing Freundesliebe oder Homosexualität ("Love Between Friends or Homosexuality"), published in the magazine Der Eigene by Adolf Brand in 1925, Heimsoth showed his antisemitism: "All heroic and masculine love between friends" remains, "in his idea and possibilities of understanding[,] foreign to the Jewish spirit". Male homosexuality is thus envisioned as not only heroic, but purely masculine, not only in terms of its object of attraction but also in the sexual identity and being of the man in question. In this understanding it is the masculine within the homosexual male that seeks out the same masculinity in other males as sexually attractive without any reference to an assumed internal feminine. [8] Heimsoth's ideal was that of a whole man, virile and Aryan. Homoerotic friendships between men were to serve as a nexus of "obersten Machtaufgebot" (called higher power).[9] Heimsoth thought that he could find examples of such heroes among the soldiers of World War I and among the Freikorps environment, as can be gathered from his 1925 publication in the magazine Der Eigene: in it he asked to be sent documentation to demonstrate the "circumstances and homoerotic relations in the Kampfwagen formations and secret societies" and wanted to obtain material "about heroism, the heroic leader problem and the psyche of the volunteers, the desperate, Landsknechte, Freikorps members, and secret societies".[10] +>At the time of the correspondence with Röhm, it appears that Heimsoth became a member of the NSDAP.[1] According to Otto Strasser, Heimsoth was not only an active member of the Nazi Party in the following years, but a "flaming National Socialist".[16] +--- 21953483 +>Robert Brasillach (French pronunciation: [ʁɔbɛʁ bʁazijak] (listen); 31 March 1909 – 6 February 1945) was a French author and journalist. Brasillach was the editor of Je suis partout, a nationalist newspaper which advocated fascist movements and supported Jacques Doriot. After the liberation of France in 1944, he was executed following a trial and Charles de Gaulle's express refusal to grant him a pardon. +>he prosecutor reiterated Brasillach's vehement antisemitism, linked his praise of Germany and denunciation of the Resistance to SS massacres in France and played upon homophobic sentiments by repeatedly drawing the jurors' attention to the author's homosexuality +--- 21953519 +>Mishima was hated by leftists who said Hirohito should have abdicated to take responsibility for the loss of life in the war. They also hated him for his outspoken commitment to bushido, the code of the samurai in The way of the samurai (葉隠入門, Hagakure Nyūmon), his support for the abolition of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution, and for his contention in his critique The Defense of Culture (文化防衛論, Bunka Bōeiron) that preached the importance of the Emperor in Japanese cultures. Mishima regarded the postwar era of Japan, where no poetic culture and supreme artist was born, as an era of fake prosperity +>"The Middle Ages" is set in Japan's historical Muromachi Period and explores the motif of shudō (衆道, man-boy love) against a backdrop of the death of the ninth Ashikaga shogun Ashikaga Yoshihisa (足利義尚) in battle at the age of 25, and his father Ashikaga Yoshimasa (足利義政)'s resultant sadness. The story features the fictional character Kikuwaka, a beautiful teenage boy who was beloved by both Yoshihisa and Yoshimasa, who fails in an attempt to follow Yoshihisa in death by committing suicide. +>While working on his novel Forbidden Colors (禁色, Kinjiki), Mishima visited gay bars in Japan.[114] Mishima's sexual orientation was an issue that bothered his wife, and she always denied his homosexuality after his death. +--- 21953524 +>Theognis of Megara (c. 540 B.C.) is one of the most notable of early elegiac poets. Born probably at the beginning of the sixth century, he lived at a time when his city was torn between violent struggle between nobles and democrats. In that struggle Theognis was on the side of the nobles, who longed for the happy days when Megara was governed by its aristocracy. He felt utter contempt for democracy and the 'new men' it produced. +>One of the main preoccupations of the Theognidea is the political situation within the state that threatened nobility, whose heart was in horses, dogs and boys. Money, they observe, now compels good families to make unworthy matches for sordid gain, whereas in horses, sheep and asses proper breeding is observed! Here again we clearly see the aristocratic conviction that inherited ability is absolute, depending on the blood. +>The second book of the Theognidea is a collection of elegiac poems dealing with the love of boys. This book illustrates a side of Greek life which is difficult for modern people to understand. +--- 21953538 +> Roy Campbell (2 October 1901 – 23 April 1957), was a South African poet, literary critic, literary translator, war poet, and satirist. +>Campbell's subsequent conversion to Roman Catholicism in Spain and vocal support for Francisco Franco and the Nationalists caused him to be labelled a fascist by influential left-wing literati, further damaging his reputation as a poet. Campbell served in the British Army during Second World War. He briefly attended meetings of The Inklings during this period and befriended C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien. +>He was uncertain of his own sexual identity (his first sexual experiences were evidently homosexual, though he married in 1922 +--- 21953542 +>Lord Alfred Bruce Douglas (22 October 1870 – 20 March 1945), also known as Bosie Douglas, was an English poet and journalist, and a lover of Oscar Wilde. At Oxford he edited an undergraduate journal, The Spirit Lamp, that carried a homoerotic subtext, and met Wilde, starting a close but stormy relationship. +>On converting to Roman Catholicism in 1911, he repudiated homosexuality, and in a high Catholic magazine, Plain English, expressed openly anti-Semitic views, but rejected the policies of Nazi Germany. He was jailed for libelling Winston Churchill over claims of World War I misconduct. Douglas wrote several books of verse, some in a homoerotic Uranian genre. The phrase "The love that dare not speak its name" appears in one, (Two Loves), though it is widely misattributed to Wilde. +--- 21953557 +>Evelyn Waugh (28 October 1903 – 10 April 1966) was an English writer of novels, biographies, and travel books; he was also a prolific journalist and book reviewer. +>Acton and Howard rapidly became the centre of an avant-garde circle known as the Hypocrites' Club (Waugh was the secretary of the club),[39] whose artistic, social and homosexual values Waugh adopted enthusiastically;[40] he later wrote: "It was the stamping ground of half my Oxford life".[41] He began drinking heavily, and embarked on the first of several homosexual relationships, the most lasting of which were with Hugh Lygon, Richard Pares and Alastair Graham (the inspiration for the future Lord Sebastian Flyte).[25][42] +>As an instinctive conservative, Waugh believed that class divisions, with inequalities of wealth and position, were natural and that "no form of government [was] ordained by God as being better than any other".[190] In the post-war "Age of the Common Man", he attacked socialism (the "Cripps–Attlee terror")[191] and complained, after Churchill's election in 1951, that "the Conservative Party have never put the clock back a single second".[192] Waugh never voted in elections; in 1959, he expressed a hope that the Conservatives would win the election, which they did, but would not vote for them, saying "I should feel I was morally inculpated in their follies" and added: "I do not aspire to advise my sovereign in her choice of servants".[193] +>Waugh has been criticised for expressing racial and anti-semitic prejudices. Wykes describes Waugh's anti-semitism as "his most persistently noticeable nastiness", and his assumptions of white superiority as "an illogical extension of his views on the naturalness and rightness of hierarchy as the principle of social organization".[203] diff --git a/lit/21953465.txt b/lit/21953465.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a1c09444a84ac7c574964f39f7d2a29f20c6429d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953465.txt @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +----- +--- 21953465 +Can anyone recommend books about the effects of technology on individuals rather than on society or culture. Maybe even articles and essays about how people who have made sweeping anti-tech positions have changed their outlook. diff --git a/lit/21953468.txt b/lit/21953468.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..b56ad705d07551f3506fb0bef67a9d178d95dc1c --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953468.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 21953468 +Why was it popular among Europeans? Is it because the work gives their since of exploration an exotic suggestion about the "le orient"? + +The work among Arabs is not that popular, and for good reason. Compared to Books like Kitab al-Aghani or al-ʿIqd al-Farīd it's trash. +--- 21953481 +It’s analogous to works like the Decameron which is more interesting to western taste than Arab poetry +--- 21953487 +>>21953468 (OP) +>Why was it popular among Europeans? Is it because the work gives their since of exploration an exotic suggestion about the "le orient"? +Because it's magic. +>Kitab al-Aghani or al-ʿIqd al-Farīd +literally who +--- 21953719 +https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism diff --git a/lit/21953488.txt b/lit/21953488.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..1c5bfe0dce44eecab54d5c9aaf5d25a1c1e0aa3f --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953488.txt @@ -0,0 +1,22 @@ +----- +--- 21953488 +joke: + +>literature, fiction + +broke: + +>philosophy, science + +woke: + +>starvation diaries, ritual suicide manuals, cries in the wilderness + +What are some books for this feeling? +--- 21953514 +1. Two Arms and a Head by Clayton Atreus +2. My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness by Kabi Nagata +3. Why I Support Eugenics by Hotwheels +4. Good for Nothing by Mark Fisher +5. A Fan's Notes by Fred Exley +6. (that book where the guy was imprisoned in a single room for months and wrote lovingly about each tiny detail in the room) diff --git a/lit/21953491.txt b/lit/21953491.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..73a79723e361f4dcc9dcd6faa5ad3b1283bc3189 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953491.txt @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +----- +--- 21953491 +Is there a book that is a collection of the best newspaper articles ever? +--- 21953493 +why diff --git a/lit/21953497.txt b/lit/21953497.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4783a336e85baf3e3e331100a801b33d2120cc59 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953497.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 21953497 +>Because here's something else that's weird but true: in the day-to day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship -- be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles -- is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It's the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you. On one level, we all know this stuff already. It's been codified as myths, proverbs, clichés, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness. +>Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they're evil or sinful, it's that they're unconscious. They are default settings. +>They're the kind of worship you just gradually slip into, day after day, getting more and more selective about what you see and how you measure value without ever being fully aware that that's what you're doing. +--- 21953559 +>>21953497 (OP) +This was a truly good lecture and I wish more people kept it in mind. +--- 21953560 +Another excerpt of it that often pops in to my head years later: +>You people don't yet know what "day-in, day-out" really means. +--- 21953564 +>>21953559 +True. Here's the transcript in case anyone wants to read it: +https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~drkelly/DFWKenyonAddress2005.pdf diff --git a/lit/21953523.txt b/lit/21953523.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..646070f9b36bced53e646d2449a4a72f1fc4a107 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953523.txt @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +----- +--- 21953523 +Books to help me cope with the fact that the nature of reality is transient, that life is impermanent and that death is inevitable? I have tried reading different spiritual books but havent found something that has given me the peace I'm looking for. +--- 21953527 +>>21953523 (OP) +you ironically want the opposite of what you're seeking in order to find what you seek. + +a constant reality, a permanent life and a death that will never come + +just rationalise it out for yourself +--- 21953535 +>>21953527 +>a constant reality, a permanent life and a death that will never come +Yeah but life doesnt work that way and the lights eventually go out, all the living organisms alive will someday be dead and the cycle pf rebirth and death repeats itself. Perhaps Samsara is real and its just an endless reincarnation into a world of endless suffering, which sounds like hell and I dont understand why some people think of reincarnation as something positive +--- 21953537 +>>21953523 (OP) +uhhh... a good one? +--- 21953549 +OP here, I'm asking this question because I have been having an existential crisis for the last year facing the fact that one day I will die and everyone I know will also be eventually dead. I feel as if for the most part of my life, my brain sinply just blocked that thought lf dying or facing death but lately I just get anxiety and even to the state of having panic attacks when I think about my existence (and the state of non-existence?) Anyways, please, I need something because I feel like im going insane, I just want to feel at peace. Books, lectures, videos, anything that you think might help is welcomed. Thanks guys +--- 21953555 +>>21953549 +Sorry for my bad grammar, I'm a Latinx ESL +--- 21953643 +>>21953523 (OP) +Go ghost hunting. After a few dozen times you go, you're bound to have some "odd" experiences. I had a couple and I went on like 40-50 ghost hunts in my life with a professional team. + +There IS life after death. +--- 21953655 +>>21953643 +And this is supposed to be good news? Youre telling me we might be stuck in this dimension even after our physical body deteriorates and dies? How is this good? +--- 21953662 +>>21953655 +Nobody said consciousness would be easy! + +I mean, life is what you make of it. Have some adventure, get punched in the face, spend too much money. I feel like a lot of people are just living to work in 2023 and, as a result, we are seeing a huge increase in negative pressure on people, including on their souls. I mean, 2023 is a brutal time to be alive, everything is totally fucked in comparison to 2003. Like, I cannot think of one thing better in 2023 than in 2003? Well, I do like 4k and 8k TVs... + +From my experiences ghost hunting, I'd say that spirits can come and go from places but some are bound to spots where they either return on purpose to re-live things, or they are trapped. It makes sense to me that the spirit world is just as much of a hierarchy as the real, living world is. We're all just little fragments of a universal consciousness witnessing ourselves. + +Hey, just be glad we have F. Gardner in our timeline to keep the mood light! +--- 21953669 +>>21953662 +>Hey, just be glad we have F. Gardner in our timeline to keep the mood light! +Im not going to read your books +--- 21953674 +“Bhikkhus, I will teach you dependent origination. Listen to that and attend closely, I will speak.”–“Yes, venerable sir,” those bhikkhus replied. The Blessed One said this: + +“And what, bhikkhus, is dependent origination? With ignorance as condition, volitional formations come to be; with volitional formations as condition, consciousness; with consciousness as condition, name-and-form; with name-and-form as condition, the six sense bases; with the six sense bases as condition, contact; with contact as condition, feeling; with feeling as condition, craving; with craving as condition, clinging; with clinging as condition, existence; with existence as condition, birth; with birth as condition, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering. This, bhikkhus, is called dependent origination. + +“But with the remainderless fading away and cessation of ignorance comes cessation of volitional formations; with the cessation of volitional formations, cessation of consciousness; with the cessation of consciousness, cessation of name-and-form; with the cessation of name-and-form, cessation of the six sense bases; with the cessation of the six sense bases, cessation of contact; with the cessation of contact, cessation of feeling; with the cessation of feeling, cessation of craving; with the cessation of craving, cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of existence; with the cessation of existence, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering.” + +https://suttacentral.net/sn12.1/en/bodhi?reference=none&highlight=false +--- 21953676 +>>21953669 +This is Jason... not the gentleman F. Gardner. + +You'd like "The Shitkickers", it is a bit of a dark book with a dark outlook on humanity, but with a little humour and a character that understands that fate is fate and learns to roll with the punches. + +That's all you can do in life, really, some people have extremely bad luck and the worst shit happens to them and they persevere. It is inspirational to see people soldier on despite the hardships and no promise of a better tomorrow. +--- 21953677 +>>21953549 +>>21953555 +Well you just need to find God, that's all. You're a Latinx which is a Christian country so it shouldn't be too difficult. +--- 21953682 +>>21953523 (OP) +--- 21953684 +>>21953523 (OP) +>>21953549 +I don't know brother. I have been in a one huge existential panic attack since 2019. I am in mental paralysis. I can't even kill myself, inferior man in every domain. I have sympathy with you, I can't share your pain or cure it but I can understand. + +One little suggestion is to go all the way and don't be passive. We're going to die then why not die in style? In your own terms? Zapffe remained a mountain climber for his whole and keep himself busy with all sorts of aesthetic pursuits. If you're afraid of death then mediate to purge that fear out of your body. So read The Last Messiah and go all the way. +--- 21953685 +>>21953555 +Yo tengo loco pollo con grande culo bombas. + +I picked up my first latina in Costa Rica with that line. Banged the shit out of her, it was great! +--- 21953688 +>>21953684 +Good advice! + +Put the boots to life, for surely, life WILL put the boots to you. +--- 21953710 +>>21953674 +Ok where do I start more with Buddhism and what texts address this exact issue? Compared to other mystical traditions like sufism, vedanta, orthodox christianity, etc would you say Buddhism answers the questions and fears about life and death better than other traditions? +--- 21953712 +>>21953710 +First, you start by sucking his tongue... +--- 21953742 +>>21953710 +>would you say Buddhism answers the questions and fears about life and death better than other traditions? + +probably but not really. In the end buddhism is a religion that has many unverifiable beliefs - kamma, rebirth, hell, heaven realms. Ghosts, devas, etc. The whole buddhist project is in response to these beliefs - seeking an end to rebirth by nullifying the karmic process. + +But for the non-religious, what good is this? I am irreligious, I don't think rebirth exists. It's 'one life and done'. So buddhism offers nothing. I have no need to end rebirth, because it doesn't exist. + +and so the problem remains. I'm going to die, everyone who I know will die, my life is transient, incomprehensible, fleeting and marked by various suffering. there's various good things but on the whole I'm a strang creature in a strange world whose body has near constant needs I must fulfill, and whose mindis restless unsatisfied and uneasy. I deal with my needs protection food water shelter etc to keep my body going sustaining my consciousness all the while my body is slowly aging, breaking down, becoming weary and weathered. and I will die and it will be as if it never happened in the first place. diff --git a/lit/21953528.txt b/lit/21953528.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..9ab380b2baea4838c99e9206c8a16851ff42b89d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953528.txt @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +----- +--- 21953528 +"Impossible Prose" edition + +Previous thread: +>>21947130 → + +/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ +RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC + +Please limit excerpts to one post. +Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability. +Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive. +If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting. +Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported. + +Simple guides on writing: +>https://youtu.be/pHdzv1NfZRM [Embed] +>https://youtu.be/whPnobbck9s [Embed] +>https://youtu.be/YAKcbvioxFk [Embed] + +Thread theme: +>https://youtu.be/4aeETEoNfOg [Embed] +--- 21953569 +>>21953528 (OP) +writing is a easy task, just look around yourself and capture your emotions or thoughts at the moment and put them on a paper, you would start to see improvement. you can do that right now. come on give it a go +--- 21953584 +>>21953528 (OP) +this was the best i could do. +--- 21953593 +>>21953584 +mmhmm!, yup!, checks out +--- 21953644 +>Fucking do it +>Write +--- 21953703 +if you have to include graphic sex in everything you write then your writing is not good diff --git a/lit/21953566.txt b/lit/21953566.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5af669b229d2c79b059c0ba30933831ee0c7a9f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953566.txt @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +----- +--- 21953566 +Is actually doing anything. The books should have been completed before the TV series ended. +--- 21953702 +>>21953566 (OP) +He doesn't care about books anymore. TV is more important to him. +--- 21953705 +>>21953566 (OP) +He was never a literary man diff --git a/lit/21953567.txt b/lit/21953567.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..302a345286593469efe95a0c8aed85b1cba9dafa --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953567.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 21953567 +Quill & Parcel Edition + +>Previous Thread +>>21947932 → +--- 21953572 +>>21953567 (OP) +whatever +--- 21953600 +>>21953567 (OP) +it's all so tiresome +--- 21953603 +since only midwits are bothered by retards is the feeling of being drowned by retards and midwits a truly midwit feeling +--- 21953661 +I had a dream less than an hour ago that quite awed me. +I remember it was around the 18th century. I had entered an old and ornate building (though I do not recoll entering it), and it was brim with people talking and singing. Beyond the entrance hall there was luscious inner garden to my left; to my there was a ''waiting division'' (such was my thought), and to its right was a courtroom where everyone outside it could heard the shouting in. +I'd went to the waiting section when I saw Mozart (from the film Amadeus, with its characteristic laugh) and next to him was his father and wife. +It was when I stood next to them, and after some exchange of words (which I've forgotten), Mozart went in the courtroom; And it was then that I'd understood what most were singing. They were singing the 'Offertorium: Domine Jesu' from Mozart's Requiem, but now they were only repeating the later part of the music (where the choir says: "Quam olim Abrahae promisisti / et semini eius." +I was so moved from the singing that it felt as if I was in a living opera; and looking at my surroundings, I instinctively joined the choir. After a minute, we heard the verdict. Mozart was guilty was to be sentenced. +Cheers we heard all around, and as my gaze fixed on a statue of Mary looking downwards (with clouds and cherubs at her feet) I heard someone shouting (or was I the one shouting?) "Fuck yeah! There IS a God! Hang that motherfucker!" + +Then I woke up to my alarm. +--- 21953671 +>>21953661 +damm I wish I could dream like that, but weed is not allowing me to dream +--- 21953715 +>>21953671 +Well, I wish I could dream so vividly more offen. But the few times it happens are good enough. +Also, you should maybe hold back on the ganja. +--- 21953722 +>>21953567 (OP) +I was scrolling through Twitter late at night, I came across a story that affected me. It was about an 18-year-old teenager who lost his life during a "penis inversion surgery." He died to a deadly strain of E-coli that originated from his own intestines. The reason behind this outcome was revealed - his parents had put him on puberty blockers even before he even turned 12, leaving him with a small penis that was deemed too challenging to work with during the surgery, so they had to use his colon to create the "vagina". The gravity of this situation hit me like a ton of bricks, and I couldn't help but feel a deep sense of sorrow and anger. + +It's a harrowing reminder that in our society today, the pursuit of profit and political expediency often takes precedence over truth and ethics, even within the medical profession. It's disheartening to witness how the pursuit of personal gain can overshadow the duty of care that should be inherent in any medical practice. The fact that licensed medical professionals would compromise the well-being of their patients for the sake of financial gain is truly sickening and deeply saddening. + +This heartbreaking story has also made me reflect on the crucial distinction between being good and being nice. Many people mistakenly believe that these two concepts are synonymous, but they are not. Being nice is about telling people what they want to hear, even if it means avoiding the truth to spare their feelings. It's a facade that manipulators and even the devil himself can wear. However, being good is an entirely different matter. + +Being good means having the courage to speak the truth, even when it's uncomfortable or painful. It means standing up for what is right, regardless of the political,financial, or social consequences. It's about refusing to enable destructive behaviors or enable mental illness, even if it may seem easier or more palatable in the moment. +--- 21953731 +>>21953722 +>woman becomes man then acquires fetish to become an emasculated man and become woman again +kek why is human psychology such a shitshow +--- 21953734 +That "/lit/tok" ad makes me want to kms +--- 21953737 +why are people attracted to things like bridges and towers and why do people want to become those things +--- 21953743 +>>21953737 +They don't understand human socialising. There's a reason a lot of them are diagnosed autists. +--- 21953748 +>>21953743 +isn't attraction innate what does it have to do with socialising diff --git a/lit/21953573.txt b/lit/21953573.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..136d6504c8ae767409f218baef627dc14316026a --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953573.txt @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +----- +--- 21953573 +Hegel's dialectical process involves a progression from a thesis to its antithesis, and ultimately a synthesis of the two. In the context of African American and White American tension, we can apply this process as follows: + +Thesis: White American dominance and systemic racism in American society + +Antithesis: African American resistance and struggle against this domination and racism + +Synthesis: A society that values diversity and equality, where all individuals have equal opportunities and are judged solely on their character and actions, rather than on their race. + +This synthesis can only be achieved through a continual process of negation and synthesis, in which each new synthesis becomes a new thesis to be negated and synthesized again. Thus, we can repeat the process as follows: + +Thesis: A society that values diversity and equality, where all individuals have equal opportunities and are judged solely on their character and actions, rather than on their race. + +Antithesis: Persistent institutional racism and implicit biases that continue to hinder progress towards a truly equal society. + +Synthesis: A renewed commitment to anti-racist education, policy reform, and activism, to continue the fight for equality and to dismantle the systems of oppression that still exist in society. + +Once again, this synthesis becomes a new thesis to be negated and synthesized again, as the process continues towards the ultimate reality of a society where all individuals are truly free and equal. +--- 21953575 +>>21953573 (OP) +>White American tension +European American*, white is a color. +--- 21953581 +gpt post +--- 21953583 +>>21953573 (OP) +In the context of the dialectical process between African Americans and White Americans, the ultimate reality of a society where all individuals are truly free and equal would involve a synthesis of the contradictions that exist between the two groups. This would require the recognition and acknowledgement of the historical and systemic injustices that have been inflicted upon African Americans by White Americans, as well as a willingness to work towards reparations and reconciliation. + +The synthesis would involve a transformation of the existing power structures, institutions and cultural norms that perpetuate racial inequality and discrimination. This would require a collective effort by both African Americans and White Americans to dismantle and reconstruct the societal framework that has been built on a foundation of racial oppression. + +Ultimately, the synthesis would require a profound shift in consciousness and a recognition of the inherent worth and dignity of every individual, regardless of their race or ethnicity. This would involve a move away from the zero-sum mentality of power and dominance towards a more inclusive and egalitarian worldview. + +However, it is important to note that the process of synthesis is ongoing and never fully completed. There will always be new contradictions that arise and new challenges to overcome in the pursuit of a truly free and equal society. Therefore, the process of synthesis must be repeated and continuously refined in order to bring about a more just and equitable world. +--- 21953588 +>>21953581 +>well as a willingness to work towards reparations and reconciliation. +Reparations Now. diff --git a/lit/21953580.txt b/lit/21953580.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..0574ba63f6cfbf95d8afe8c4fe5cf927b3317a55 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953580.txt @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +----- +--- 21953580 +>Sex with boys good +>Sex with adults who are literally stuck to be young BAD +Why +--- 21953591 +>>21953580 (OP) +--- 21953595 +>>21953591 +the only right way to deal with homosexuality +--- 21953611 +>Man who has sex with boys +Pedophile + +>Man who has sex with adults who are literally stuck to be young +Literal monster + +I would rather have a pedophile than a gay top, and a pedophile victim turned situationally gay rather than a genuine gay bottom. +--- 21953615 +>>21953580 (OP) +>>21953591 +The boys were not mere substitutes for girls, and often they were described as superior to women. The fact that the Greeks endow their pretty boys with visible musculature . +--- 21953619 +>>21953615 +The Greeks were not a monolith. +--- 21953640 +>>21953615 +Yes, but they did not get erect when seeing a young boy you retard. Nowhere do people like Nietzsche even imply that prizing the youth of boys in a very erotic fashion means androphilia. + +They gazed and fawned over boys and envisioned having thighsecks with them but they did not masturbate, their erections during thighsecks were not motivated by androphilia but by normal hetero thoughts of male power fantasy and competition against women. + +They were only androphilic in the spiritual sense in terms of evaluating their artistic glory (in contrast to the ugliness of females), NOT the biological sense in which one is attracted literally to men because of a brain defect that makes one feel more like a woman. +--- 21953665 +>>21953580 (OP) +Because sex leads to pillow talk and pillow talk leads to educating people about law and business, and when you tell those things to women, they rat you out to your competitors and take everything in the divorce. The people most likely to be convicted of a crime once brought before a jury in Attica were respectable women, because they never left their house until their husband dragged them out for the divorce. Every notable Attic lawyer has a list of whores he was keeping out of stir by patronising them often and occasionally acting on their behalf. +--- 21953692 +>>21953611 +The pedophile seems more horriffic than the top, what the fuck are you talking about? +--- 21953726 +>>21953692 +Short term vs long term impact. + +Being a pedo victim who's only a fag out to make other people pedo victims for situational reasons is obviously rotten but understandable. + +Literally genuinely saying that you're a fag who prefers to be a wide ass with radishes in it and having other people take ADVANTAGE of that is one another. +--- 21953728 +awful pagan practices... +--- 21953760 +>>21953580 (OP) +How to get a qt bf? :( +--- 21953767 +>>21953726 +Faggot diff --git a/lit/21953613.txt b/lit/21953613.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..95820a44fe5e2c025b6389e59f1e8026c7b85f28 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953613.txt @@ -0,0 +1,39 @@ +----- +--- 21953613 +Why couldn't he muster the powers to master, let alone write, a novel? He certainly was not constrained by time, anons, as his mommy looked after him until she died. +--- 21953628 +>>21953613 (OP) +Novels are not elegant in his view. There's too much filler and digressions. Borges didn't like that. He didn't have the personality and approach to literature to write a novel. +--- 21953629 +>>21953613 (OP) +it would have been like Pale Fire or something, and I assume he realized that Pale Fire is gay +--- 21953633 +>>21953628 +Ol' Billy Faulkner was often sarcastic or over-the-top for the sake of it. I don't really think I can write a novel like he can, although I have poems out. +--- 21953637 +>>21953629 +Nabokov ripped off Borges with impunity in Ada. +--- 21953652 +>>21953633 +Imagine being as genuinely retarded as you are +--- 21953657 +>>21953652 +Still a published poet, no less! Guess that points towards the state of poetry nowadays, anon. +--- 21953667 +>>21953652 +NTA but the Faulkner quote is self-deprecating humor. Of course there may be a kernel of truth, but it isn’t that simple. +--- 21953725 +>>21953613 (OP) +His (prose) reputation is based on an incredibly short period of pure inspiration. The History of Iniquity wouldn't be remembered if it hadn't been for the later stories, then you can see the pure genius of the first half (originally its own pamphlet, Forking Paths) of Fictions becoming patchy in its second part (Artifices). The Aleph stories manfully keep the same ball rolling, though there's fundamentally nothing new and the best story (Immortal) is a compendium of his themes and techniques, then the stories that come later exist between self-parody and dredging of the dregs. Borges the genius was a frighteningly brief event. +--- 21953732 +>>21953613 (OP) +>not constrained by time + +“Time is the substance I am made of. Time is a river which sweeps me along, but I am the river; it is a tiger which destroys me, but I am the tiger; it is a fire which consumes me, but I am the fire. The world, unfortunately, is real; I, unfortunately, am Borges.” +--- 21953738 +>>21953725 +Filtered by Book of Sand. His microfictions were arguably better than some of his longer short stories. +--- 21953739 +>>21953725 +>then the stories that come later exist between self-parody and dredging of the dregs. +Brodie's Report has some good stories that don't fit in either category, not as genius as Ficciones but not as bad as you say. diff --git a/lit/21953620.txt b/lit/21953620.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..55ad780f70cf27cf0a8fbf03144a6c6f2ba63bdc --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953620.txt @@ -0,0 +1,16 @@ +----- +--- 21953620 +>author is Canadian +>author is Australian +>author is New Zealish +--- 21953625 +>>21953620 (OP) +>Zealish +--- 21953635 +>>21953625 +England -> English +Zealand -> Zealish +0rmwtk +--- 21953758 +>>21953635 +He's right, I'm Switzerlish diff --git a/lit/21953642.txt b/lit/21953642.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..4a40d82006541f0f89c5fae1c2cee50ae6e20da3 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953642.txt @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +----- +--- 21953642 +I don't get it. +--- 21953648 +>>21953642 (OP) +Seriously, What the fuck is wrong with Part 1? What's the reason he trying to write half-assed epistemology there? +--- 21953718 +>>21953642 (OP) +the king is made up of lots of little people and that's why he is so big and powerful +--- 21953729 +>>21953648 +The absolute rule without divine right that he advocates is a hard sell without it. +--- 21953730 +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGO9pzfWpOo [Embed] +--- 21953733 +>>21953648 +Because he has to sell a mechanistic worldview to people raised on Bible stories +--- 21953749 +>>21953642 (OP) +He was a filthy atheist who told everyone they should be cucks for the king. diff --git a/lit/21953670.txt b/lit/21953670.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..de59f4f4487d96cfafbcd081b2bfc489eb0c2d7d --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953670.txt @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +----- +--- 21953670 +"N-WORDS could be here" he thought, "I've never read this book before. There could be N-WORDS anywhere." The steady clickety-clack of the railcar felt good against his sturdy boots. "I HATE N-WORDS" he thought. Rivolta Contro il Mondo Moderno usurped his entire consciousness, recalling timeless insights even as the $9 words reflected off his piercing blue eyes and usurped his (merited) fear of n-words on the next page. "With a Kindle, you can read anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud. +--- 21953672 +>>21953670 (OP) +Reading in the subway is for retards. + +OH LOOK AT ME I'M READING I'M SO DIFFERENT FROM YOU SCREEN SLAVES, NOTICE HOW DIFFERENT I AM + +meanwhile you're probably retaining nothing from the book +--- 21953759 +>>21953672 +Damn I am just a normal consoomer, I don't wanna stand out so I scrooll like a normal consoomer look at those barbarians with books they don't keep it humble and consoom normally like me on the phone, infinite scrooll +--- 21953776 +>>21953672 + +Parade your insecurity anon. + +Perhaps someone who stares at screens at work wants to not stare at a screen for ten minutes. diff --git a/lit/21953691.txt b/lit/21953691.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..a9c3d824488a4d1664407debf3155ff93ba0bb39 --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953691.txt @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +----- +--- 21953691 +How old were you when you first attained your pen license? +--- 21953716 +>>21953691 (OP) +Unironically the last in the entire year. + +My handwriting still looks like shit desu. +--- 21953727 +w-what happens if coppers catch you writing without license? +--- 21953746 +>>21953691 (OP) +I never got one. Been using a pen illegally for 20 years. +--- 21953750 +School should be abolished +--- 21953751 +>>21953691 (OP) +I never got my pen license. During my writing test I poked a hole through the paper and accidentally stabbed the instructor, I'm destined to be a pencel forever +--- 21953756 +>>21953691 (OP) +America moment diff --git a/lit/21953693.txt b/lit/21953693.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..6248edf6e7ab7298f6b7218780a5c024a18436fc --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953693.txt @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +----- +--- 21953697 +>>21953693 (OP) +I'm becoming a DEI officer and firing you for transphobia, unless you sleep with me. +--- 21953720 +>>21953697 +>"Hey doesn't that go against one of your 2000 year old philosophy books? Like Kant said that's bad or something? I guess philosophy is useless after all lol." diff --git a/lit/21953754.txt b/lit/21953754.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..d8fb48ca1fd3c2f2a7f869e604d649b26d33505a --- /dev/null +++ b/lit/21953754.txt @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +----- +--- 21953754 +I may be losing my virginity in the near future, so as a precaution I ordered In Defense of Purity by Dietrich von Hildebrand (pic related) to make sure it was an ethically acceptable thing to do. + +The book is interesting, and has rather convinced me (I've marathoned ~25 pages so far) that sex should be confined to what he describes as "wedded love". The author however is very critical of those who have sex primarily for pleasurable reasons, and describes men who do so as being less than base animals. This rather frustrates me, because I actually do want to have sex. + +Are there any well-written non-pornographic books or essays which are pro-extramarital sex or which at least condone sexual experiences between two unmarried people who like each other a lot and want to have sex with each other? + +Please respond. +--- 21953761 +>>21953754 (OP) +Much late-Victorian/Edwardian literature. But until Lady Chatterley it has to be indirect to the point where it doesn't talk about sex itself. The Age of Innocence is all about the negative consequences of refusing to fuck. +--- 21953764 +>>21953754 (OP) +in my view: it's not that sex without love is inherently bad (just a pleasurable activity done between two), it's that eros without higher desires more often leads to bad things than with them. as the desire for that often leads to bad thoughts and bad actions; wanting bad for others to get that, for example. whereas loving a person in spirit & body *more* often spreads the seeds of love elsewhere, so that one wants good for others too and the world more generally.