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+--- 28771437
+With the whole nice guy thing what's the actual joke? It's always treated like the punchline in of itself.
+follow the logic for a moment
+>me, not a serial killer, never beaten anyone up, no violent crime record ect ect
+>nobody ever asked me out or been interested in anything ever, only times a woman writes to me on a dating app is to advertise onlyfans or some such 
+>alcoholic who beats his wife every day
+>stable relationship where she will beg the cops not to take him from her if someone else reports him
+And I am the butt of the joke here because I think this is messed up and it ideally shouldn't be like this? I just don't get it.
+--- 28771456
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Typically, people who claim that they are "nice" or "good people" are wolves in sheep's clothing.
+--- 28771466
+>>28771437 (OP)
+>me, not a serial killer, never beaten anyone up, no violent crime record ect ect
+Holy shit, that's absolutely amazing! Less than 1% of men are like that! You are clearly an exceptionally nice guy.
+--- 28771478
+>>28771437 (OP)
+I've pondered this for years myself and have given up on making sense of it. Yes, women will date a drug addict abuser for 10 years but reject me for being too nice. That's the way the world works I guess.
+
+It just pisses me off when they say "uh, he's a high iq machiavellian master manipulator tho?" and said guy is a meth addict with measurable brain damage and has the verbal IQ of a moldy potato and can barely tie his fucking shoes let alone manipulate.
+--- 28771487
+>>28771478
+No woman has ever rejected you for being too nice. Fucking liar.
+--- 28771495
+>>28771466
+No dude if you've had to drive by a football stadium before or after a game you'd know that's way more common than 1%
+
+1% is the amount that gets prison sentences
+--- 28771526
+My friend is the kindest person I know, he always helps you when you need it. He even managed to get a woman and you know what happened? She cheated on him, not once, but she was cheating on him for years. The guy she was cheating on with was an aggressive amoral misogynist asshole who was saying out loud that women are mentally on a level of little kids and was fucking 10 women at once. This was a giant blackpill for me, you can tell a woman you think she has an IQ of 20, that she's a retarded slut and she will still fuck you if you're good looking. On the other hand, you can try your hardest, be nice, respect her and she will still throw you away the second she meets a hotter man.
+--- 28771532
+>>28771526
+>don't try bro
+>it won't work trust me bro
+--- 28771558
+>>28771532
+Not him but what's your argument?
+If I wanted to fly but couldn't afford a plane ticket the correct answer would be give up
+--- 28771565
+>>28771487
+Well of course a girl won't come up to me and say "uh, you are too nice I need a man who will fucking kill me.". But they are more interested in drug addicts and abusers. My ex literally left me for a guy who made her drop out of vet school so they could get jobs ASAP and get high together all day.
+--- 28771593
+>>28771466
+Shit like having a stable job never beating anyone up not driving recklessly not being an alcoholic ect easily places op in the top 90% of society, I'd even say 80% is a safe bet here. But you don't see those football hooligans who break everything surrounding the capital stadium every 4 years struggling
+--- 28771613
+>>28771437 (OP)
+
+You need to understand that being nice is not "interesting" for most women. They are looking for "adventures" which is why most of them hook up and such things. Keep your secrets and sure, be nice but only occasionally. If you give women a feeling that you'd do anything for them they'll lose interest. If you act like you don't give a fuck about them, they'll eventually come back for some reason that I don't understand. You probably seem to be a push over, which is a common misunderstand from "my experience".
+--- 28771617
+>>28771456
+where does this idea come from? i don't consider myself a nice guy, but i have friends that fit the stereotype and they have problems with girls for not being assertive enough etc, but they're genuinely nice people
+--- 28771624
+>>28771526
+She's a terrible person though for what she did, your friend is based.
+
+I had a friend who wasn't threatening and always acted nice to women in order to have sex with them, that was his schtick. It was very obvious what his intentions were. Being nice because you want something in return doesn't make you a good person.
+--- 28771646
+>>28771565
+No girl has ever rejected or dumped you for being too nice. That simply does not happen.
+--- 28771650
+>>28771558
+The correct answer would be to save up until you can afford the plane ticket.
+--- 28771652
+>>28771650
+This is cope
+--- 28771662
+>>28771650
+You know damn well that this goes completely outside of the analogy
+I hate dishonest assholes like you. If you actually had something to say you'd explain what that would entail irl instead of pretending the analogy somehow still holds up
+--- 28771664
+>>28771646
+Loving the pure cope and denial.
+>no! it simply does not happen!! i-it just doesn't!!!
+Kek
+--- 28771676
+>>28771437 (OP)
+>claims to be a nice guy
+>woman does literally anything
+>self proclaimed nice guy goes on a turbo incel rant
+Image related, a nice guy.
+--- 28771678
+>>28771664
+You are clearly not a nice person.
+--- 28771690
+>>28771676
+I legitematly do not understand your point.
+so you think everyone who is struggling to get dates MUST be a killer in the making? Like how common do you think that is?
+And this wraps around to my (op) point, I am not a serial killer in the making, I don't brag about my car like he did ect so surely I should be better off than elliot?
+--- 28771698
+>>28771437 (OP)
+>>alcoholic who beats his wife every day
+>>stable relationship where she will beg the cops not to take him from her if someone else reports him
+Yeah, this is mostly because she's either afraid of what'll happen when he gets back, or she's become dependent on him. It's not a sign that she wants to be there.
+--- 28771707
+>>28771690
+Obviously not, but people like Eliot is the source of the joke. Think about it like niggers, they're not all bad but a few rotten apples have ruined the batch in the eyes of society.
+--- 28771719
+>>28771698
+>treat a woman kindly
+>demands you do more housework, sleeps at her ex's place, eventually you are kicked to the curb and it happens in the span of a few days, you are divorceraped mercilessly, your kids are groomed to hate you
+
+>be an alcoholic wifebeater, treat your wife like a literal and emotional punching bag
+>she is submissive, will cook and clean without asking questions, is very very attracted to you, will be married for the rest of your lives, she will beg you not to leave and would take a bullet for you
+
+Kek women are beyond macabre.
+
+
+but yes kek just keep being nice to women
+--- 28771721
+>>28771646
+Literally happened to me
+--- 28771726
+>>28771698
+>her saying she wants to be there as the cops are telling her she can make him disappear from his life with 1 phone call is not a sign she wants to be there
+This might be true in the middle east or whatever but there is no such thing as a dependant women in a country where welfare exists.
+--- 28771727
+>>28771678
+>interacts with Anon once
+>concludes he’s not a nice person
+
+Prejudice isn’t very nice, Anon.
+--- 28771732
+>>28771437 (OP)
+The issue with nice guys is that they expect a reward for doing the minimum. Not being a piece of shit is no cause for celebration of reward.
+--- 28771743
+>>28771732
+In a population split roughly 50/50 between men and women why is any woman being attracted to me at all considered a "reward"?
+You'd expect there to be 1 woman for 1 man and vice versa but apparently only chosen ones with good genes or very good degrees/jobs get "rewarded"
+--- 28771754
+>>28771732
+so men are rats eternally competing only the top 10% make it in women's eyes, got it
+Forgive me for holding out hope that the humble shop clerk who doesn't earn much but is fine because he doesn't spend his salary on gambling deserves love in life, that's only for the lawyers and models
+--- 28771757
+>>28771719
+>the world outside my basement totally is the same as in my incel imagination
+--- 28771759
+>>28771721
+You lie. You are not nice.
+--- 28771763
+>>28771732
+OP literally says "I'm not a serial killer therefore I am a really nice guy and women have to throw themselves at me!"
+--- 28771767
+>>28771757
+Not really a counterargument
+you hear news stories like that all the time, in fact it was even a thing in better call saul
+I'm giving you pop culture references so you get it through your head that it's a common phenomenon and also if I said anything I encountered irl you'd just deny it
+--- 28771777
+>>28771763
+I am looking at the post and no he did not, you're delusional
+Not being violent as a man is, while not a super high bar, also not the same as not being a serial killer. If you've ever drove past a football stadium before or after a game you'd know.
+he also did not say women should be throwing themselves at him, he said he never ever received any intrest from women despite going out of his way to use dating apps
+I think you're malicious
+--- 28771780
+>>28771743
+>but apparently only chosen ones with good
+OH NO WOMEN HAVE STANDARDS. HOW DARE THEY.
+--- 28771787
+>>28771780
+Yeah and op is saying their standards are whack because he is struggling despite not doing anything wrong meanwhile literal bandits are dating 6 women at once, what do you not understand?
+--- 28771793
+>>28771780
+What makes you think that anon doesn't have standards? Presumably he wouldn't settle for an hiv positive meth addict
+The question is why are women's standards apparently so high that mediocre men aren't even close to passing. You would think there would be an equal amount of equally mediocre women who also don't excell in much but aren't bad people and aren't doing anything wrong
+--- 28771796
+I think it's because nice often equates to boring.
+People who talk shit, crack jokes, flirt and do risky or spontaneous things are fun to be around, people who just make innocuous remarks about the weather or work are a snooze.
+--- 28771804
+>>28771780
+>>28771796
+>>28771466
+>>28771532
+>>28771732
+You do realise its impossible for most people to be above average right? If you set the bar so high you need to be at least in the top 30% of bachelors then 70% of men will fail, you understand that right?
+--- 28771865
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Here's the issue.
+Performing basic hygiene, not dressing like a hobo, being polite, and being honest are *THE BARE MINIMUM OF BEING AN ADULT*.
+>"I don't beat women! I never got arrested for a felony! I've never murdered anyone!"
+Is called 'not being a piece of shit scumbag'. You get zero rewards for NOT being a flaming asshole.
+Here's the second part.
+If you define yourself by being "nice", i.e., "well, *I* am not a total piece of shit!" then you are very low value. You are the smallest, cheapest car on the lot with the least features and the lowest performance in every category. Are you a car? Yes, but only barely.
+And last but not least "nice guys", who define themselves by the bare minimum, are harmless.
+That is a deal breaker for most women.
+Why?
+Because despite all the feinist grrrrrrlpower bullshit a woman knows that her man has to have the *potential* to protect her.
+THAT is why a lot of women love a man in unifrom - a soldier or cop or fireman can PROVE he has the courage and ability to do hard, dangerous things and fuck people up *AND* the self-control, discipline, and training to only do it when it is needed.
+>But some wimminz date the drug addict, a-bloo-bloo-bloooooooooo
+She often has an issue of needing to save people and is co-dependent and/or he still seems to her to have the ability to protect her.
+Either way, why would YOU want HER?
+You sound like a weak-willed perma-thirsty simp that couldn't take a lollipop form a 6 year old without getting your ass kicked whining that women don't like wimps.
+--- 28771869
+>>28771804
+>I-I-I-I am the bare minimum of an adult man! Why aren't women chasing me? They must only want the top 85% of men, those bitches!
+Edited for accuracy
+--- 28771870
+>>28771787
+OP's best quality is that he has no criminal record for violent assault. How could women resist such a nice guy?
+--- 28771873
+>>28771804
+Literally 50% of men are above average. OP clearly is far below average.
+--- 28771879
+>>28771865
+>>28771869
+>>28771870
+Okay so let's say OP is a janitor and despite not doing anything wrong he will forever stay a janitor because he just isn't gifted in any skill academic Or manual.
+Should he just kill himself then?
+--- 28771901
+>>28771879
+>Okay so let's say OP is a janitor and despite not doing anything wrong he will forever stay a janitor because he just isn't gifted in any skill academic Or manual.
+>Should he just kill himself then?
+What the literal FUCK does that have to do with anything about being a nice guy or what women want in a man?!
+Janitors can (and do) raise a family, pal
+--- 28771910
+>>28771901
+According to these posts they're bottom of the barrel trash who don't deserve nor should expect any woman to love them ever tho
+--- 28771923
+>>28771910
+When has anyone claimed that?
+--- 28771926
+OP
+>Why are nice guys not respected?
+Anons
+>Because nice guys have nothing going for them
+Your retarded ass
+>>28771910
+>"This means janitors can't find love"
+Are you literally retarded?
+They have zero to do with each other.
+The janitor could easily be a good, stand-up guy willing and able to take care of a wife and kids with a variety of passions and hobbies rather than a black slate of a guy whose only accomplishment is 'being a not-criminal'.
+--- 28771930
+>>28771923
+OP is malding over the fact that he has no actual personality to present to the world and is trying to switch to money.
+--- 28771954
+>>28771754
+This analogy is great cause most ugly/aging/boring shop clerks I know are married and most lawyers/models I know are single.
+
+LOL
+--- 28771958
+>>28771763
+Totally Hahahhahaha.
+
+It would bebfunny ifbit wasn't tragic.
+--- 28771962
+>>28771787
+>not doing anything wrong
+Is not the same as doing something right.
+--- 28771968
+>>28771780
+What standards? Women keep claiming that the bar is on the floor kek.
+--- 28771980
+>>28771879
+Dyde. You kniw janitors have wives and families right? Like... Very often?
+
+That's the problem with you people you are all very deterministic.
+
+Be X or have Y characteristic and that equals Z outcome.
+
+Life is not like this. It's not a logical math equation. 
+
+It's weird, ilogical and complex. With people often acting againts their best interests.
+--- 28771992
+>>28771865
+>THAT is why a lot of women love a man in unifrom
+There is not an army wife in existence that has not cheated on her husband. What was the saying? "You can trust your buddy with your life, but not with your wife." The whole "women love a man in uniform" is a meme. They like the idea of it, but not the reality. Also, might wanna check the domestic violence rates of cops kek.
+--- 28772025
+>men are responsible for the majority of rapes, murders, arsons, terrorist attacks, burglaries, physical abuse cases
+Women had to evolve to be attracted to dangerous behavior, otherwise humans would've gone extinct
+--- 28772162
+>>28771754
+The shop clerk has GF
+Everyone knows this.
+You keep switching from
+>"Why do people like me, with no personality, not have a GF?"
+to
+>"I guess that means only rich men get GFs"
+like a tool
+--- 28772167
+>>28771787
+>"People *I* judge as bad are succeeding while *I* am failing? Why is everyone else wrong?"
+kek
+OP, you sound like that insecure guy that thinks girls only date men who are "mean" because strong men intimidate you
+--- 28772173
+>>28771992
+>There is not an army wife in existence that has not cheated on her husband
+I was in the Army for years and there are a FUCKTON of devout Mormon, Catholic, and Baptist wives that never, ever cheated.
+And you are switching, again, from
+>Why don't women adore formless, personality-less me!"
+to 
+>"I fear and envy other men"
+--- 28772182
+>>28771437 (OP)
+>>alcoholic who beats his wife every day
+>>stable relationship where she will beg the cops not to take him from her if someone else reports him
+anon, that's not a stable relationship. thinking of a relationship as 'stable' just because a woman is trapped in it is part of what makes self described nice guys so suspect. you're just saying the loud part quiet.
+--- 28772183
+>>28772025
+>More men tat women are violent therefore all men are violent
+OP is soooooo dumb
+--- 28772195
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Substitute “nice guy” for “ugly man/man I’m not attracted to but keep around for attention that thinks he’s entitled to me for being nice” That’s what it means.
+--- 28772218
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Every last person I’ve ever met who calls himself a nice guy actually has absolutely no distinguishing characteristics and are bland human being who are socially stunted. They are desperate for validation but have absolutely no means bonding with another human except by being nice and polite and eager to please. To the point where they become doormats and clingy and transparently desperate. All things that are deeply unattractive. At best people will just shy away from you because of how desperate you look, at worst people will full on take advantage of you. And then these young men whose desperation and eager politeness doesn’t get reciprocated with friendship or anything, they become bitter and angry and lash out.
+
+There’s nothing wrong with being a nice guy. However most nice guys in the nomenclature are just shy beta males who don’t know how to socialize.
+--- 28772224
+>>28772183
+that's not what they meant, anon
+they meant that women are attracted to overtly dangerous men because of evolution, and therefore not attracted to men like op
+--- 28772231
+>>28772224
+>they meant that women are attracted to overtly dangerous men because of evolution
+as in
+>>28771865
+?
+And nice guys are obviously harmless
+--- 28772239
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Most nice guys are just socially awkward autists who don’t know how to bond with another human except by being an eager people pleaser.
+
+Stable relationships are not predicated on the man being violent and abusive. I don’t know where you got this idea.
+--- 28772265
+The feminine energy craves to be tamed or "directed". It is the interplay between order and chaos. Women represent chaos (emotion), and men represent order (logic). 
+
+Assertive people take control and order things, this is the masculine energy. The feminine deeply desires to be tamed by this energy.
+
+It just so happens that loud, aggressive and violent people most often are the most assertive and most willing to take control, without being shy or timid about it. They will use aggression to do so, and this masculinity deeply excites feminine psychology
+
+Women being of a chaotic nature, naturally will always "shit test" their partner, because they bring excitement to the boring stability of a male, by introducing chaos. The male then must always react by standing strong and rigid, never wavering
+
+The problem with bad boys though, is that their masculine energy is too much. That is often why the relationship ends up toxic...but women cannot seem to get enough of it due to their psychology
+--- 28772344
+>>28772265
+>bunch of PUA pseudo-psych with bullshit ideas like shit tests
+YNGMI
+--- 28772352
+>>28772265
+>It just so happens that loud, aggressive and violent people most often are the most assertive and most willing to take control, without being shy or timid about it. They will use aggression to do so, and this masculinity deeply excites feminine psychology
+wrong
+women want dominant/assertive men because they are easier to emotionally manipulate
+--- 28772384
+>>28771865
+>Performing basic hygiene, not dressing like a hobo, being polite, and being honest are *THE BARE MINIMUM OF BEING AN ADULT*.
+Its not bare minimum if criminals, drug dealers or addicts have relationships with women
+--- 28772391
+>>28772384
+>I dont take care of myself because I imagined a scenario in which a bad guy has a happy relationship
+
+Lol
+--- 28772393
+>>28772384
+They talk to women unlike you. They wanted a girlfriend unlike you.
+--- 28772401
+>>28772384
+These women often have issues and are damagebin their own way.
+
+Normal responsible women dont date thugs.
+--- 28772403
+>>28771437 (OP)
+We are chimpanzees wearing clothes. 
+If you think like a chimpanzee, you will understand humans.
+If you can't think like a violent ape, you will never understand humans
+--- 28772416
+>>28772352
+>>28772344
+
+I am correct. You almost never see shy people, who aren't willing to be assertive and TAKE CONTROL ever get into a relationship with a women. Women desire to be dominated deep down
+
+When you are too nice to women, you aren't being dominate, but submissive, which is the wrong energy. That's why they reject it. It really is as simple as that.
+
+If you want women, become more of a leader type personality, that can lead, direct and guide. Think of women as a mob of people...the mob of people want a leader to rise up, so do women. You need to become somebody who can direct and lead them
+
+They do not like people like pic related because they do not lead
+--- 28772421
+>>28771437 (OP)
+its humor intended to enforce social compliance. Women have a long history of heckling members outside their grup
+--- 28772443
+>>28771437 (OP)
+You might not be good enough to breed, but you can still contribute to the human species by paying taxes and so forth.
+--- 28772453
+>>28771865
+this BARE MINIMUM is changing all the time.
+Now showering yourself is BARE MINIMUM
+Then going to gym achieving lean ottermode is BARE MINIMUM
+Then having good career making >100k per year is also BARE MINIMUM
+All women wants are chads 90% of males do not achieve BARE MINIMUM according to you
+
+>>28772401
+I dont give a fuck about "normal women" if i am 27 years old male virgin seems i have some muh mental problems according to all "normal women". Now any woman will do, she can be bipolar heroin chic and whore i dont give a fuck, i only dont want her fuck. Long term loneliness really lowers your expectation
+--- 28772459
+>>28772265
+I'm not logical and orderly.
+
+I'm chaotic. 
+
+This is bs. Take your jordan peterson out of here.
+--- 28772473
+>>28772459
+
+No, you can be chaotic...but as long as you are dominate, you are still "leading" her...your instilling your own paradigm into her chaotic world
+
+girls want to be lead, whether they're lead to dettruction or whether theyre lead to stability and harmony. the point is, you are leading
+--- 28772476
+>>28772403
+I’m amazed that this 105 IQ midwit Reddit take never gets called out. I mean this is the archetypal Reddit type quip. Someone who postulates based on their rudimentary understanding of a pop science topic. Is somewhat cynical and bitter. And has nothing to show for their logical and arcane insight other than a kitsch soundbite.
+>Hey guys we’re just egos encapsulated in the skin and did you know the sun going to explode someday nothing matters.
+--- 28772503
+>>28772453
+*dont want her fat
+--- 28772511
+>>28772476
+You can write 80 replies explaining how to do aggressive chimpanzee dominance behavior, and I can't call you a chimp, because suddenly that's too cynical?
+It's just a description of reality.
+--- 28772516
+>>28772173
+>being religious means they didn't do degenerate shit behind their husbands' backs
+You absolute naive brainlet retard. Some women cheat for the entire duration of their marriages without getting caught, yet you, the all seeing one, thinks he can sniff out a cheater. If she can fool her husband, she can absolutely fool you.
+--- 28772528
+for women its about how they meet a guy than who they meet, they are attracted to familiarity the most once you spend enough time around each other they will do anything
+thats why key to everything is to have ways to see girls regularly and for long time, like in school or by having mutual friends who organize meetups, parties for you to see each other regularly
+it doesn't matter how great you are if there is no speaking, long conversations frequently where women are capable of talking
+
+and even then you need to be the one to initiate the conversation because girls are limited to their routines and starting relationship is something that doesnt happen often enough for them to be able to do it
+
+>>28772403
+thats not true, it's a dumb hypothetical that doesn't make any sense
+if you thought like a chimp you would be unemployed and throwing shit at people, and those people dont have sex they're in mental wards castrated from sedatives
+--- 28772539
+>>28772511
+I think predicating your view of reality on calling other people chips isn’t particularly insightful useful accurate or correct. But whatever dude feel free to never eject your hubris and your smug superiority that you’re above the game and everyone who doesn’t conform to how you think is a violent ape. I’m sure you’ve read a lot on human nature and met many different people and definitely don’t derive your worldview from YouTube videos and spending all your time inside your own skull thinking about thoughts.
+--- 28772555
+>>28772528
+>and even then you need to be the one to initiate the conversation
+
+Yes, because you need to be a leader, you need to be dominate, you need to be willing to "take" what you want, step up to the plate etc
+
+Sir onions friendzone will never take what he wants or step up to the plate. She will express an opnion and sir onions friendzone will always compromise on his own opinions and agree with hers, to get good boy points. girls dont like submissive energy because thats THEIR energy
+
+of course there are rare exceptions, theres some crazy masculine femdom women out there, that want to dominate men...but that is the exception to the rule
+--- 28772564
+>>28772539
+It's not abstract philosophizing, it was meant to be practical advice. An anon can spend millions of hours reading paragraphs and threads and books and still not getting why things are the way they are. But just thinking like a chimp for a minute or two gets you to understand a lot of things very quickly.
+
+Like this topic. You can write whole books on it, like No More Mr. Nice Guy, or The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, or whatever else people read (I haven't read those). But those take a while to read. Thinking like an animal is fast and easy and gets you a lot of understanding in much less time.
+--- 28772577
+>>28772473
+So I'm order only when I'm not.
+
+This is bs. It hold no ground, it's ilogical.
+
+Working with generalizations is kind of dumb imo.
+
+Women are just like men, SOME want to be lead, SOME don't. 
+
+Some want to lead some one want to benleft alone.
+
+Women are not a hive mind that share ideas and ideals. That's mot how REAL people work. These are abstractions that only make sense in stories.
+--- 28772578
+>>28772195
+>but keep around for attention
+this is why I always chuckle when women complain that "nice guys" are manipulative. these women are also being manipulative by stringing these guys along for free attention, meals, and to use them as emotional toilets. truly they are made for each other rofl.
+--- 28772579
+>>28772453
+>Now any woman will do
+
+How sad.
+--- 28772595
+>>28772555
+yeah but that's the easy part
+its much easier to be the one who dominates and tells someone to do something than be submissive
+instead of having to make plans you just tell them she's not allowed to leave the house, instead of taking them to a restaurant you tell her what she has to cook for you, instead of taking her on a trip you tell her how retarded travel is and how dumb she is for wanting it etc. being dominant and leading is easy, it doesn't need an explanation
+--- 28772601
+>>28772577
+>So I'm order only when I'm not
+
+No, what I'm saying is that you "impriting" you will on her, is organizing her chaotic world with your imprint. Even though you are a chaotic faggot, you are leading her with your chaotic faggotry
+
+>Working with generalizations is kind of dumb imo
+
+It isn't. Most women are like this, and the women that aren't are easy to detect. They're the femdoms, the dykes and other masculine chicks you want nothing to do with
+
+You have to "feel" out their energy intuitively, just like you can suss out the vibe of a thief or a liar. It's not immediately obvious, but you'll start to get the gist
+--- 28772613
+>>28772601
+I think both genders can lead and lead, it depends on the situation it's bot an inherent trait of a gender.
+--- 28772614
+>>28772595
+>being dominant and leading is easy
+
+It isn't. And if you think it is you are probably way too much of a gigachad and need to tone it down a bit
+--- 28772615
+>>28771646
+This happens and happens often.
+--- 28772624
+>>28772613
+>I think both genders can lead
+
+They can, but female leaders are sexually unattractive to me as a man. They're disgusting. They can do their femdyke thing while I do my thing
+--- 28772637
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Autismbrain think again, where you can only be X or Y. There's only Nice Guy or BabBoy, there's only Based or Cringe, there's only Virgins or Roasties, etc.
+
+Binary thinking is autismpilled. There's at least like 3 or 4 different types of things in the world, not just two.
+
+Like there's normal average guys who aren't criminal and abusive towards their gf, and their entire personality isn't just a welcome mat.
+
+This thread fucking sucks so much, and it's gonna reach 300 posts of cope by retards that scream memes about Chads.
+--- 28772667
+>>28772579
+He's a 27 year old virgin. What did you expect? Lmao.
+--- 28772672
+>>28772637
+
+>There's greater degrees of masculinity and dominance, and femininity and submissiveness
+--- 28772686
+>>28772672
+>dominance is masculine and submission is feminine
+nice to see you doubling down on autismbrain thinking
+
+Flip a coin to make up all of your opinions like batman villain
+--- 28772697
+>>28772686
+>Flip a coin to make up all of your opinions like batman villain
+Sounds like a good idea to me. The result will be such an interesting person, everyone will gravitate to him to know more about his strange views of the world.
+--- 28772700
+>>28772686
+
+>Theres something more than just these binary terms, I swear!
+>Oh yeah? What's the alternative to binary?
+>Non binary!
+>Isn't binary and non binary, binary?
+--- 28772707
+Then dont be nice?
+Women might not owe shit to you, but you know what, you dont owe shit to them either.
+They dont deserve respect, they must earn it.
+You are placing yourself in one sided exchanges. You will never win like that.
+Be happy and take what you want, fuck women.
+--- 28772710
+>>28772624
+No you dont get.
+
+I mean that everyone does that.
+
+If you have a docile stay home wife. Maybe she won't be a leader and assertive with you but she will have a firm hand with your kids teaching them morals and good behavior.
+
+Maybe she will lead her baking sale firends group or book club or whatever.
+
+My point is that everyone is assertive and submissive in different moments of the day.
+
+To claim one is female tje other is male is innane imo.
+--- 28772714
+>>28772667
+I known late 30's people that found love.
+
+His issue IS NOT age. At all.
+--- 28772715
+>>28771767
+NTA but, when did that example come up in BCS?
+--- 28772722
+>>28772710
+
+It isn't. Men are bigger, stronger, louder, more aggressive, the hormone testosterone encourages "driven" behaviors. Men are much more driven than women to seek out sex...it's the men that start the wars, way more competitive, etc etc
+--- 28772735
+>>28772700
+who are you quoting?
+
+also in STEM nerd logic terms, the alternative to binary is hexadecimal I guess.
+--- 28772763
+If you want to catch a fish, you'll use a fishing rod, right? So to get girls you need to understand female psychology. Girls gravitate towards personality primarily and status secondarily. Status should be used to supplement your personality.
+
+By personality, I mean friendliness, confidence and bravery. You don't need to be a big extrovert, but you do need to have unshaking self-belief, and to have no shame in who you are. You also need to be reasonably funny and laid back to an extent - you don't need to be a clown nor a doormat, but everyone dislikes those guys who take everything seriously and can't take jokes.
+
+Status can be seen as having money, a good job, etc. but status is also something else. It's being liked by other women. If you can attract women, you can attract more women. It's because women want other women to confirm that you're worth having.
+
+Criminals are the kinds of people who have confidence in spades. The kinds of girls that want to jump on the dicks of murderers are a minority, anyway. You may as well just not think about it.
+
+Anyway, with women, the worst thing you can be is boring and not stand out. Someone who's not confident, has tons of hang-ups or has nothing interesting to say won't make it with anyone.
+--- 28772765
+>>28772722
+That's bs conjecture. 
+
+But believe on what you want I guess.
+--- 28772783
+>>28772763
+Keep in mind ''personality'' is like 90% your height and your looks by the way.
+--- 28772785
+>>28772615
+Show me just one instance where a girl complains a guy is too nice and that id why she is dumping him. It doesn't happen.
+--- 28772817
+>>28772783
+Having good looks helps, and obviously it's 10x harder if you're super uggo. Women are always going to gravitate towards the supermodels just like how men gravitate towards the supermodels. But if you get bitter about that you'll just fall deeper into anger. What are you going to do? Just stew your whole life that people don't fall for you on sight? Or will you understand women so you can game the system for your own benefit?
+--- 28772820
+>>28772765
+
+The average height of men is much taller than women. Women like height, men like shorter girls than them
+
+Bone density, muscle growth potential etc is more in men, because of the much more abundant testosterone hormone in their body. That's why in the army, physical requirements are higher for men to get in, than for women
+
+Testosterone and the genitalia give men a deeper voice
+
+This stuff is obvious as hell my dude. Men have been the builders of civilization for basically all of history. Its only recently that women have started to take on a more dominant role...but men invented and built basically everything.
+
+Not to say women arent needed, they certainly are. But men and women have different roles, and men have more leadership type qualities than women
+
+If you disagree with that, you must be a tranny or some gender bending queer...in which case, you belong on reddit, not 4chan
+--- 28772823
+>>28771437 (OP)
+You're a grudge-bearing, hateful autist. You couldn't be farther from being a nice guy. Cool coping mechanism, but it's gonna run out.
+--- 28772825
+>>28772783
+Shut the fuck up permaincel
+
+>>28772785
+NTA but I'm sure he can find some probably-fake reddit post or tweet or something which is what all these incels ever base their worldview one
+--- 28772829
+>>28772785
+Seen it twice with my own eyes, once with a friend and once with my brother. Not sure how to show you though, anecdotal evidence is like that.
+--- 28772841
+>>28772817
+>>28772783
+>height and your looks
+>Women are always going to gravitate towards the supermodels just like how men gravitate towards the supermodels.
+you guys know that stops being relevant/true like past high school, right? Maybe past college, you stop being OH BOY PRETTY GIRL I BET SHE'S A GREAT PERSON AND INTELLIGENT AND FUNNY TOO BECAUSE THE SHAPE OF HER FACE LOOKS GOOD
+same with how girls stop having justin bieber posters in they bedroom past a certain age (most of them at least, there are like 30 year old beliebers still)
+--- 28772845
+Socially awkward guys that are desperate to please wouldn't exist if women gave a chance for socially awkward guys in general.
+You might deny it, but nice guys and incels are constructs created by women and their unfair behavior in regards to romance.
+--- 28772847
+>>28772825
+Shut me up, retard.
+Done playing your stupid game of pretend, where you claim you actually give a shit about personality than height and shti then act the complete opposite every possible instance.
+You know better, I know better, everyone knows better. Why pretend, who are you trying to fool? The one that needs to quiet down here is you.
+--- 28772848
+>>28772841
+
+So naieve. It never goes away.
+--- 28772856
+>>28772820
+If you look at warrior societies such as nordic, spartan some ancient china kingdoms etc...
+
+Women had a very active role and were often political and strategic leaders.
+
+While in what I call "nerd" societies women have less active role and political voice.
+
+You are trying to see the entire humanity as one single collective whole that behaves the same way when in reality we have some very distinctive behaviors and ideals based on different societies.
+
+To me your views that "humans are X and behave in Z way" is bs. A bs way to look at humanity and culture as a whole.
+--- 28772860
+>>28772845
+Are you gonna make a case for the other millions of your fathers' sperm that didn't get to fertilise your mother's egg?
+
+Life isn't fair. There will always be winners and losers, so your only choice is to become a winner or accept your place.
+--- 28772866
+>>28772384
+>a tiny fraction of women in dire straits or with mental illness date criminals
+Your retarded ass
+>"And that's why I don't brush my teeth!"
+--- 28772868
+>>28772860
+>Admits that i'm right
+>Tries to insult me by assuming that i'm on the "loser" side
+Might just be the most pathetic attempt at an argument i've ever seen.
+--- 28772870
+>>28772845
+>incels are constructs created by women
+I disagree.
+
+Incels are an internet ideology wherr men think they are entitled to sex and affection and that women are lesser.
+
+It has nothing to do with women.
+--- 28772871
+>>28772856
+
+That's because you are a gender bending queer. There are obvious exceptions to the rule with any generality. When I say something like "humans suck", does that mean 100% of them suck? No, it's a general statement with some exceptions, but mostly true.
+
+You are getting hung up on that little part, that little exception, then spinning your narrative and being anal "well actually its not true!!!" blah bla. People like you never learn
+--- 28772875
+>>28772845
+>that picture
+have you SEEN what guys look like? that graph is 100% accurate, most guys put 0 effort into their appearance.
+--- 28772876
+>>28772868
+You're insinuating that women should give fair chances to everyone. Seems like it's you that misunderstood.
+--- 28772881
+>>28772845
+>nice guys and incels
+Are two completely different things. Incels are anything but nice, they are hateful abusive jerks.
+--- 28772882
+>>28771796
+Not really concerned with op question bit now that I think about it, why dobsingle morgers raise men to be boring nice guys like this?
+
+I was almost a victim, I used to be afraid of doing "fun" shit lije you described until I started diving deep into weed and psychs 
+
+Is this a way of generationally cucking the father of their child?
+--- 28772885
+>>28772847
+>>28772848
+I've been in relationships before bro, no supermodels involved. Like I said I got over that shit of only wanting 10/10s in like grade 11
+--- 28772886
+>>28772845
+Being an incel is a choice. Always. Incels choose to become incels because of extreme narcissism, low intelligence, and uncontrolled anger.
+--- 28772887
+>>28772416
+>guy in pic is actually married
+u r the dumb
+--- 28772900
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Most people who claim to be nice are just too shy, too scared to be anything else but nice. They're not nice by choice. They're pussies who don't stand up for themselves, and always say yes to anything. Give these guys a crumb of power over anything and they'll jump on it and overabuse it like a starved dog over a piece of meat. 
+Being in a relationship is being vulnerable to your partner, it's giving some power to that person over you; and no woman wants to give this kind of power to such a guy.
+--- 28772904
+>>28772887
+It's funny how much incels seethe at nusoybetamales and meanwhile those guys all fuck and get married & have kids.
+--- 28772907
+>>28772453
+>huuuuuurrrrr all duuuuuh wimmenz want duuuuuuh Chad!
+Is that why 32% of 25 year old Zoomer women *are already married*?
+>inb4 "bleargh, they fucked 8,000 guys by age 9 and want to settle down now, ferkderk"
+--- 28772914
+>>28772511
+>Chimp social dynamics are radically different than human social dynamics
+You're a sub-literate poseur
+--- 28772926
+>>28772871
+Well, it's just that you are saying "humans are X" when in reality that's not how it goes for most societies and most of history actually. It's very recent.
+
+But you insist that's something intently to the human condition when it's clear it's not.
+
+To me it's clear:
+
+Nerd intelectual/rural societies make weak men and meak women.
+
+Warrior socities make strong men and politically active women.
+
+It has nothing to do with a inert trait.
+
+It's how society works.
+
+Let me ask you something maybe it make my point mkre ilustrative.
+
+Answer me. When the USA an initially rural society started having more ppwerful women? When didbthey start to fight for rigths? What was going on?
+
+Tell me that plz.
+--- 28772927
+>>28772870
+>Incels are an internet ideology wherr men think they are entitled to sex and affection and that women are lesser.
+Ok, and?
+That all stems from the fact that women don't give incels a chance, doesn't it?
+Every incel argument i've heard against women boils down to their nature to like superficial things, so if women weren't like that, incels would have nothing to get angry about and would all have their own socially awkward/autistic GFs.
+>>28772875
+And?
+I fucking wish women wouldn't cake their faces with make-up and become all wrinkled and fucked later down the line. Not only is make-up unhealthy, it makes you look dishonest and artificial.
+>>28772876
+I'm not insinuating anyone should do anything. I'm just saying that one thing causes another thing. Whether incels + nice guys exist or not doesn't really affect me personally, but if it does affect you, then i'm just making it clear what the cause is and implying what the solution could be.
+>>28772881
+How are incels abusive if they don't get women? Sounds paradoxical.
+And women date abusive jerks all the time, so it's clearly not the "abusive jerk" aspect that turns them off.
+>>28772886
+Funny how you say that being an incel is a choice, and yet, you state that the only reasons they are incels is because of personality/mental disorders they cannot control.
+Really sums up the stigma people have against incels.
+--- 28772935
+>>28772907
+>"bleargh, they fucked 8,000 guys by age 9 and want to settle down now, ferkderk
+--- 28772936
+>>28772845
+Why don't you chucklefucks ever shw the MESSAGING?
+You fuckers are so innumerate you think a graph that is not Normal Distribution still follows Normal Distribution rules.
+It doesn't.
+That chart does NOT say
+>women think a bajillion percent of men are below average
+it says
+>women don't care much about men's appearance
+And the messaging rates PROVE IT.
+A woman is something like 10 times as likely to message a lowest-rated man than a man to message a lowest rated woman.
+--- 28772940
+>>28772882
+what kind of "fun" shit you are doing now? I did fair share of psychedelics in my life but i am still shutin and boring socially
+--- 28772947
+>>28772927
+>I fucking wish women wouldn't cake their faces with make-up and become all wrinkled and fucked later down the line.
+yeah cause its make-up, that makes women age with the passage of time
+
+if women stopped wearing make-up, they wouldn't have any wrinkles as 75 year olds, in fact they'd live to be 300 years old
+--- 28772948
+>>28772927
+>That all stems from the fact that women don't give incels a chance
+Can yoi blame them? Their internet ideology has warped their perception to the point they don't see women as human anymore. Why would they date them?
+--- 28772952
+>>28772927
+Did you think you were adding anything to this discussion at all? Women don't want meek losers, well done. If every man 'got a chance' nice guys wouldn't exist, well done. Maybe said meek losers and nice guys should rise up to nature's challenges and make themselves worth having, instead of fuming that they didn't get a girlfriend handout for being born.
+--- 28772956
+>>28772927
+>man who has never been on a date is expert on who women date
+many such cases
+
+and there's that binary thinking again, you can only be "nice" or "abusive".
+
+God forbid you be normal for once.
+--- 28772965
+>>28772927
+>so if women weren't like that
+Like what????
+
+Why would a woman ve forced ti date someonenso warped by their internet ideology, by their own choice mind you, that they see her as subhuman? Why would any girls summit to that?
+--- 28772983
+>>28771437 (OP)
+>>nobody ever asked me out
+You seem a little confused on how this works OP.
+
+>>28771617
+>where does this idea come from?
+It's because if someone is truly a nice person, they shouldn't have to announce it (let alone make it their whole identity) because it will speak for itself.
+--- 28772996
+Op seems to literally expect women to come outbof the blue, compliment him and ask him out on date.
+
+That's not how it works my dude. KEK.
+--- 28773000
+>>28771721
+No it didn't. You might think that's what happened, and even she might think that's why she dumped you because she's too dumb to conceptualize the real reason. But that's not what happened.
+A girl dumps you for being "nice", what she really means is you're weren't assertive enough.
+--- 28773003
+>>28772936
+Women are sometimes insecure and think that chad is too good for them.
+Same thing goes for men, which is why the function takes a nosedive a bit before "Most attractive".
+I could look for some stats regarding tinder swipes if you want.
+>>28772947
+Jesus christ. Dude, i'm not going to spoonfeed you the consequences that make-up has on the skin. You go look for those facts yourself.
+>>28772948
+>Can yoi blame them? Their internet ideology has warped their perception to the point they don't see women as human anymore. Why would they date them?
+You don't seem to be understanding, so let me put it this way:
+For the first incel to have appeared, there needed to be a woman that rejected him for superficial things, since the only reason incels hate women is because of that.
+So superficialwomen are the cause of incels, not the other way around.
+>>28772952
+>Did you think you were adding anything to this discussion at all? Women don't want meek losers, well done.
+Nice guys and incels, more often than not, aren't losers. Your instant assumption that these, more often than not, innocently awkward people deserve being treated unfairly for being born this way makes me think that you're not someone worth arguing.
+>>28772956
+>Not only ad hominem, but speculative ad hominem
+Won't even read the rest.
+>>28772965
+3rd paragraph of this post.
+--- 28773011
+>>28771754
+>so men are rats eternally competing only the top 10% make it in women's eyes, got it
+That's not what anyone said, and more to the point, this bitter response of yours does not sound very "nice" at all anon.
+Never takes long for the mask to slip off with you guys does it?
+--- 28773015
+>>28772983
+>>28772996
+It's happened to me, but it's not like the girls were 10/10s, far from it. I'm not a Chad myself either so fair enough.
+
+But otherwise no I was the one who had to ask girls out like 90% of the time.
+--- 28773025
+>>28773003
+what do you gain from arguing with 8 people at once about how women won't have sex with you and it's their fault not yours
+--- 28773036
+>>28773003
+>I could look for some stats regarding tinder swipes if you want
+translation
+>everything I *cough* "know" *cough* about women I learned from a fringe app that less than 3% of young women use that is 85% male as well as 67% fake accounts
+--- 28773037
+>>28773025
+What do you gain from not tackling any of my points, and instead, posting a bitter and presumptuous comment to try and relieve feelings of anger on people you disagree with?
+People like you shouldn't be on /adv/. If all you do is shit on people you don't like to feel slightly better about yourself, you shouldn't be anywhere near someone who might be having suicidal thoughts.
+--- 28773044
+>>28773003
+>the only reason incels hate women is because of that
+No it's not.
+
+Most incels see women as irently sluthy and whores unable to think or act with reason.
+
+That's the main reason theybhate women. They see them as subhuman and unworthy.
+--- 28773050
+>>28771910
+>According to these posts they're bottom of the barrel trash
+Literally no one here called janitors bottom of the barrel trash EXCEPT you anon. Just now. This is a window into what you really think of them.
+Again...the mask is slipping off. This isn't very "nice" on your part.
+--- 28773057
+>>28773037
+nice deflection
+--- 28773072
+>>28773036
+So it's fair to use those okcupid graphs of yours, but not to use tinder swips graphs?
+Both apps are used by a minority of people.
+Looks like you just moved you're just dismissing statistics when they're inconvenient for you.
+>>28773044
+>Most incels see women as irently sluthy and whores unable to think or act with reason.
+And what do you think caused this? Do you think they just woke up one day and said they hated women? Or did outside experiences mold them into thinking like this?
+Be really careful with stuff like this, or else you can sound like an ignorant idiot who thinks every bad person is 100% a product of their own actions (Which i'm assuming you aren't because i assume the best in people).
+>>28773057
+Deflection from what?
+All you did was assume wrong things about me and insult me in an immature and essentially pointless manner.
+You just don't like what i'm saying and want to relieve your anger with a poor attempt at humiliation, which doesn't even work because, again, you know nothing about me.
+Incels tend to be people like you, but people like you are even worse than the definition of incels.
+--- 28773073
+>>28773050
+Dude literally equates worth with ob and money.
+
+What a dirtybag.
+--- 28773090
+>>28773072
+>And what do you think caused this?
+Many things.
+
+Sexism.
+Being chronically online.
+Nhielism.
+Catrastrofizing.
+Depression.
+Shitty world views.
+Bad personality.
+Bad values.
+
+Tons of things, allnof them internal nonenofnthem women's fault.
+
+It's not what women do that creates incels but thenperception of what theybdi bybpeople who iften have little to no contact with the opposite sex.
+--- 28773099
+>>28773072
+>So it's fair to use those okcupid graphs of yours, but not to use tinder swips graphs?
+I debunked your usage of the OKCupid graphs.
+Remember?
+Besides, ALL the data from dating sites isn't statistics, its trash.
+If you don't know why, don't breed.
+--- 28773113
+>>28773072
+>And what do you think caused this?
+I think socially isolated, emotionally stunded men read a bunch of bullshit on the internet and believed it and now hate women because of the lies they believe.
+The Blackpill is just like astrology, Wiccan "magick", and flat earth "science" - total bullshit that lets losers feel like they are smart.
+--- 28773124
+>>28773072
+>Deflection from what?
+deflecting the simple question of why are you arguing with 9 different people at once
+--- 28773135
+>>28773113
+Exactly!
+--- 28773159
+>>28773090
+>Sexism.
+And what do you think caused this? (Unfair treatment by women)
+>Being chronically online
+And what do you think caused this? (Unfair treatment by society in general. Ex. Bullying
+>Nhielism.
+Nihilism? What does that have to do with anything?
+>Catrastrofizing.
+And what do you think caused this? (Low self-esteem issues caused by unfair treatment by society in general).
+>Depression
+Really? You think people choose to be depressed?
+>Shitty world views
+>Bad personality
+>Bad values
+All caused by outside influence, believe it or not.
+
+Now, i'm not justifying being sexist or anything like that.
+But when you look at a school shooter, you always, and i mean ALWAYS have to think to yourself "What led to this extremely self-destructive act?" instead of just assuming that he's a monster or whatever. We're all people, and while our circumstances don't justify our actions, they certainly are what leads us to commit them.
+So when i say women cause incels, i'm not saying they should feel guilty of what incels feel. I'm just saying that as long as they're superficial, incels will exist, and as long as bullying exists, school shootings will too.
+>>28773099
+>I debunked your usage of the OKCupid graphs.
+Yes, with even more okcupid graphs. You even made an argument USING your graphs that women don't care about men's appearances.
+Then when i suggested getting tinder graphs, you said they were unreliable because not many people use them, which contradicts your argument about women not caring about appearances.
+>>28773113
+First paragraph.
+>>28773124
+Because i want to influence the world around me and open other peoples' eyes to different points of view?
+A better question would be: Why are YOU still replying if you have nothing to contribute?
+--- 28773178
+>>28772218
+>>28772239
+Only good posts in this thread. Everyone else is a retard.
+--- 28773188
+>>28773178
+>Everyone else is a retard.
+Everyone else in the thread agrees with those posts besides the faggot OP you retard.
+--- 28773221
+>>28773159
+what do you want exactly? For women to give sex to random men because they are sad? What else do you want? Free food and electricity maybe and not having to do any work?
+--- 28773232
+>>28772927
+You can't be so blind as to not know what people post on incel forums. Incels all rage autistically about how women should have no rights and how they want to rape and murder women. But sure, incels are "nice guys" and it's Chad who treats women like shit.
+--- 28773236
+>>28773159
+>which contradicts your argument about women not caring about appearances.
+Nope.
+It means the graphs are trash.
+Did you miss me telling you that three times already?
+--- 28773241
+>>28773159
+>First paragraph.
+At least you are admitting the blackpill is a toxic lie
+--- 28773244
+>>28773003
+>Nice guys and incels
+There you go again. Two completely different things. Incels are the least nice guys that exist, they are angry violent abusive jerks.
+>incels aren't losers
+Lol. Incels are literally the biggest losers, failures in life, the absolutely bottom garbage tier males. Most of them don't have jobs, and very few have an education past high school.
+--- 28773245
+>>28773159
+>Because i want to influence the world around me and open other peoples' eyes to different points of view?
+I already knew that terminally online people don't have sex or even friends, usually. 
+
+what fresh new perspective are you hoping to shine a light on? "women BAD"? "but Chad"?
+
+are you hoping to convert sex-havers into incels?
+--- 28773251
+>>28773232
+The funniest part about all of this is that if you're just a normal, friendly, socially outgoing person then you are what the "nice guys" mean by an "asshole". From there it's a quick slippery slope to more ridiculous cope, like the notion that most guys who have girlfriends are dealing drugs and beating women.
+--- 28773255
+>>28773244
+>Most of them don't have jobs, and very few have an education past high school.
+That's half true, there's plenty of NEET dropouts, but a lot of them are STEM uni grads working as whatever sort of engineer.
+--- 28773262
+>>28773159
+>It's all women's fault that I am a hateful unlovable loser
+--- 28773274
+>>28773251
+Exactly, because I have a girlfriend that must mean I'm treating her like shit and am abusive. One of those basement-dwelling incels would be much better for her and treat her right.
+--- 28773275
+>>28773255
+Lies. STEM uni grads are smart people. None of them are incels. That is some ridiculous cope by low IQ incels trying to make himself think he is just as smart as STEM grads.
+--- 28773288
+>>28773275
+I got a masters in chemical eng. and going for a phd next year.
+Ive never held hands with a girl and I doubt I ever will.
+--- 28773303
+>>28773288
+Do you identify as an incel?
+--- 28773304
+>>28772218
+Exactly, women need someone "interesting" and dangerous and ex-criminals, rapists, drug abusers, the lowest dregs of society that will make them beg for their life not to kill them fit the bill just fine 
+That's of course until they're done riding the cock carousel, hit the wall and realize no one really wants a used up whore like her but desperate and lonely nice guys
+--- 28773308
+>>28773288
+Why do you think that is? Are you gay? Asexual?
+--- 28773309
+>>28773303
+Yeah
+--- 28773320
+>>28773309
+You're lying either about that or your STEM degree. Choosing to be an incel is something only low IQ people do.
+--- 28773322
+>>28773275
+>STEM uni grads are smart people.
+Intelligence isn't just memorizing numbers and formulas.
+
+STEMcels lose their fuckin minds at "games" that women and society play like not telling a girl that you liver her before you've been on the first date. They're just like ERROR. ERROR. DOES NOT COMPUTE. LOGIC AND REASON DICTATES THAT I EXPRESS MY. EMOTIONS.
+--- 28773324
+>>28773308
+Sometimes people are ugly and thats it.
+--- 28773328
+>>28773320
+STEM graduates be building themselves sexbots and robowives with their 250 IQ
+--- 28773341
+>>28773251
+>>28773274
+Bingo!
+The seethe is intense
+--- 28773344
+>>28773320
+> Choosing to be an incel
+>Choosing
+What is your definition of incel, again?
+--- 28773353
+>>28773275
+>STEM uni grads are smart people
+The average actual tested IQ of STEM PhDs is - 108
+--- 28773361
+>>28773322
+You obviously have no idea what a STEM grad is. It has absolutely nothing to do with memorizing numbers and formulas.
+--- 28773364
+>>28773251
+So then why do so many women end up with men who abuse them, cheat on them, or just use them for sex?
+--- 28773370
+>>28773353
+negative 108? Damn, that's impressive!
+--- 28773371
+>>28773344
+An incel is someone who chooses to identify with the incel subculture, an extremist online community that harbors a violent hatred of women.
+--- 28773380
+>>28773364
+>so many
+How many? Do you believe it's common?
+--- 28773384
+>>28773371
+You dont know what an incel is.
+--- 28773391
+>>28771456
+Yes and vice versa with people who claim to be bad
+--- 28773399
+>>28773380
+Yes, nearly every woman has at least one bad experience with a past partner.
+--- 28773438
+>>28773361
+and you have no idea what a gf is if you think that having a STEM degree is a factor in getting one
+--- 28773453
+>>28773364
+Except they don't. Most women are NOT ending up with abusive criminals, believe it or not. And the funniest part of this is that the kind of women who do go all in for that type are not the kind of women you should want anyway...especially if you nice guys are really as "nice" as you like to pretend to be.
+--- 28773474
+>>28773361
+>The M in STEM is Math
+--- 28773487
+>>28771437 (OP)
+OP
+>"Why are nice guys like me not loved by women?"
+Also OP and the other "nice guys"
+>[use the thread to shit on women for 8 hours
+
+Gee. Its a fucking puzzle, huh?
+--- 28773489
+>>28773159
+>Now, i'm not justifying being sexist or anything like that.
+
+It sounds like you are.
+
+I'm not saying your eviroment don't shape you andnyoir actions. But they dont justify it at all.
+
+Take your school shooting exemple, tons of people are bullied. Not all of them turn into school shooters.
+
+Bullying is horrible and should be stopped but it's notbthe cause.
+
+It's one of the many factors, in the end it was their choice to go thwre andntake those people's lives. You can excuse and sugar cost it all you want. It doenst change the fact the CHOOSE to pull the trigger.
+
+All those excusing will do you no good. Being an incel is a choice and nothing good comes from having such world views.
+
+You are sad and don't move to change and improve at best and you kill innocent and unrelated people at worst.
+
+Boys shod stop reading and identifying with that horrible internet based ideology.
+--- 28773499
+>>28773453
+No one said all women end up with abusive criminals. However most women will end up with a narcissistic guy, a guy who gets physical in arguments, or most commonly a guy who just wants to use her body for sex, at least once.
+
+It’s well established men who score higher in dark triad traits tend to have disproportionately more sexual partners than the average man. Even among average guys, the guy who cares less wins.
+--- 28773504
+>>28773487
+I don't think a single person in this thread would say "I'm a nice guy" though, kek.
+--- 28773528
+>>28773499
+>However most women will end up with a narcissistic guy
+[Citation needed]
+--- 28773533
+>>28773499
+>However most women will end up with a narcissistic guy, a guy who gets physical in arguments
+NO, they don't, and you need to stop with this cope because it's getting embarassing at this point. As for the women who get "used for sex", those are the types of women who want to be used so again, I'm a little confused why such a paragon of virtue as you Nice Guys™ would be interested in that type to begin with. That's not even getting into all the women who use guys for sex themselves. In the kind of relationship you're describing, it's usually a mutual "using" taking place.
+>Even among average guys, the guy who cares less wins.
+Ok yeah, no shit. Now, HOW does that have anything to do with what you were saying before? Yeah, you always need to keep your cool as a man in a relationship, great. That has nothing to do with being abusive, a criminal, cheating, heading up a drug cartel or any of the other childish incel copes you've been coming up with.
+--- 28773536
+>>28773528
+>taking quote out of context thinking it proves a point
+Try again sweetheart.
+--- 28773554
+>>28773533
+> NO, they don'
+YES, they do. We have endless, endless accounts of women explaining their ex was a dick or got their heart broken from being pumped and dumped. If you do not see this you are not living in reality.
+> Ok yeah, no shit. Now, HOW does that have anything to do with what you were saying before? 
+This is exactly the point. If you’re empathetic, care about her, and want it to work long term, this will all make you tend to act less confident and thus less attractive. If you don’t give a shit about her, and just want to get laid, or you’re narcissistic, you will be much more confident and much more attractive.
+This is why it’s a common complaint from guys that they can get girls, but only the girls they don’t like, the second they actually really like and care about her she is repulsed by his “neediness”, even though relationship wise that’s when she gets the best deal.
+--- 28773574
+>>28773536
+What? You literally said that out of your ass.
+
+How can argue if your argument is based on baseless claims thatbare not true???
+--- 28773576
+>>28773504
+Re-read OP and get back to me, genius
+--- 28773589
+>>28773574
+Work on your reading comprehension
+--- 28773593
+>>28773554
+>We have endless, endless accounts of women explaining their ex was a dick or got their heart broken from being pumped and dumped.
+How about all the accounts from the ones who aren't saying that? Also, if her ex was a dick, maybe that's part of the reason he's now her "ex", ever think of that?
+>If you’re empathetic, care about her, and want it to work long term, this will all make you tend to act less confident and thus less attractive
+Uh....nnnnno, anon, it won't. I mean, maybe it will for YOU but that's obviously a skill issue on your end.
+--- 28773610
+>>28773554
+>We have endless, endless accounts of women explaining their ex was a dick
+That doesn't prove that they choose that guy because he was a dick. If anything it proves the opposite.
+--- 28773618
+>>28773593
+> How about all the accounts from the ones who aren't saying that?
+Said women will still admit they have tons of friends going through it
+>Also, if her ex was a dick, maybe that's part of the reason he's now her "ex", ever think of that?
+Still, they were attracted in the first place
+> Uh....nnnnno, anon, it won't
+Yes, it will. The more you care about what someone thinks, the less confident you will be. The less experience you have doing something, the less confident you will be.
+--- 28773628
+Your dad got laid dude.
+
+Was your dad a cold, hearthless drug dealer?
+
+Did he beat and mistreat your mom?
+--- 28773631
+>>28773610
+The traits that attract her in the first place are side effects of the traits that made him a dick which eventually burned her.
+--- 28773634
+>>28773576
+OP is gone, and the rest of the posts are all shitting on nice guys as incels, rapists, killers, and terrorists kek
+--- 28773645
+>>28773618
+>Still, they were attracted in the first place
+If she stopped liking him when he turn out to be an asshole maybe it was NOT him being an asshole that attracted her in the first place???
+--- 28773660
+>>28771437 (OP)
+The whole nice guy thing is a dual faced complaint/accusation. What it stands for is a guy who
+
+>is a pushover and practically gives no resistance. IE if she asks to use his car,she will get an instant yes or if she fucks up he's there to fix it immediately without her even needing to ask
+And also
+>Will aim for a girl who doesnt share his values and will attempt to manipulate her through "kindness" to "fix" her
+--- 28773678
+>>28773645
+Oftentimes she doesn’t stop liking him, just can’t handle the relationship anymore due to the negatives, but continues to be attracted to him and yearn for him.
+The traits that attract her in the first place are symptoms of him being an asshole.
+>he’s so confident 
+It’s easy to be confident when you don’t care at all about someone
+>he’s so smooth
+It’s easy to be smooth when you’ve practiced o playing with a dozen other girls
+>he’s so dominant and leading 
+It’s easy to lead when you are egotistical and narcissistic and think you are better than everyone else.
+--- 28773688
+>>28773618
+>Said women will still admit they have tons of friends going through it
+What does that have to with anything?
+>Still, they were attracted in the first place
+So? Maybe she was attracted to him in spite of, not because of, being a huge dick. Or he wasn't a huge dick when they first met.
+>Yes, it will. The more you care about what someone thinks, the less confident you will be. 
+How? Why? Based on what? 
+Tell me more anon, you're clearly the expert here (pic very related)
+>The less experience you have doing something, the less confident you will be.
+Well there you go. That's the real reason you assume if you act like you acutually give a shit about your woman that you'll magically start acting less confident. Because YOU have never been there and you have no idea what you're doing.
+Skill issue on your end then. Exactly as I fucking said. Thanks for conceding that I was right...in an extremely roundabout and coping way, of course.
+--- 28773692
+>>28773275
+Lol
+Men who attend a 4 year stem-oriented school like MIT are significant more likely to graduate as virgins. Men are literally more likely to be sexually active if you're a medically diagnosed retard than if you have an IQ of 130.
+Intelligence inverse correlates to sexual success for men
+--- 28773696
+>>28773678
+>I can't do something unless it's easy!
+Ah, the incel battle cry.
+--- 28773717
+>>28773688
+> What does that have to with anything?
+The point is that it’s commonplace. You aren’t going to argue around this, anyone with actual experience with women knows this. Maybe you’ve gaslighted yourself into believing otherwise.
+>So? Maybe she was attracted to him in spite of, not because of, being a huge dick. Or he wasn't a huge dick when they first met.
+>>28773678
+> How? Why? Based on what? 
+You are genuinely not a smart person. Where would someone be more nervous and less confident, talking to some random homeless person, or going to a meeting with their boss?
+If a guy goes on a date with two women, one he doesn’t really like that much and just wants to sleep with, and the other he finds intimidatingly beautiful and amazing and desperately wants a relationship, do you genuinely think he will be equally cool confident and relaxed on both dates?
+> Well there you go. 
+Right, and it just adds to my point. Women are attracted to traits that indicate a man has a lot of experience with women, in other words a player.
+> Exactly as I fucking said. Thanks for conceding that I was right
+You’re a retard and I’m pretty sure I already destroyed you in the do women have it easier thread yesterday.
+--- 28773742
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Ignore all the people in the thread trying to Gaslight you. The fact is that women select for two basic propensities. They select for physical attraction which typically means height and something to do with facial structure, and then they select for psychopathy. So women have no ability to secure the resources they need to reproduce on their own. They need men who are going to hunt for them. And in the worst case, they need men who will kill other humans and feed them to the women and their children. Women like cannibals. They will never admit this, but I've hung around enough women and one thing that many women will bring up and discuss with a fervor that I find bizarre is if this for some sort of zombie apocalypse, who would we eat first. All the women seem to love this sort of conversation whenever it comes up. And the conversation is never how would we cooperate to ensure we all survived, the conversation is always who's the one we're going to eat first who are we going to eat second. They don't actually work well with other people. Anybody who's worked in an office with mostly women can tell you this. Everything is dragged out into ridiculous meetings we're no work actually gets done.
+--- 28773749
+>>28773717
+>do you genuinely think he will be equally cool confident and relaxed on both dates?
+I would. You wouldn't. YOU are the problem, for the third time now.
+>pretty sure I already destroyed you in the do women have it easier thread yesterday.
+I wasn't even in that thread, but based on your performance here I can't picture you "destroying" anybody.
+--- 28773760
+>>28771437 (OP)
+And you're completely right about women not caring about whether they're men abused them. Of the women I know who've told me they've been physically abused by a partner, literally zero of them left right away. None of them. Why? Because they were attracted to him so they were willing to overlook the fact that he was literally a criminal. Like in each case we're talking about something like slapping or shoving which could have resulted in the man being charged with assault. One in particular, he would shove her and then when she said hey don't do that, he would literally Gaslight her instantly and say what, I didn't do anything. She stayed with him for another year. But the problem is let's say you're the sort of guy who would never hit a woman. They literally don't care about that. Because if you never hit a woman you'd probably never hit a man and then how are you going to hunt for her? Women are f****** sick. You have to understand that the rule of law did not develop out of women being in charge, it developed out of men being in charge and figuring out a system where they could be obedient to law instead of women who just want to manipulate them into fighting with one another.
+--- 28773772
+>>28773749
+>I would.
+No, you wouldn’t, you clearly have no experience with women or at this point know I’m right but refuse to admit it to hold onto your Internet pride. What I’m saying is such an obviously correct statement you have to be beyond retarded to argue with it. Confidence is situational.
+>but based on your performance here I can't picture you "destroying" anybody.
+He says as he abandons most of his arguments
+--- 28773829
+>>28773438
+A STEM degree merely means being reasonably intelligent and being able to get things done. In other words, traits that are completely counter to being an incel.
+--- 28773837
+>>28773474
+>math is memorizing numbers and formulas
+Found the guy who never set foot inside a university.
+--- 28773850
+>>28773772
+>you clearly have no experience with women
+>you
+So, I realize I'm talking to some drippy nerd who has never been able to overcome a challenge or adversity in...well anything really. I mean it was pretty apparent from the get-go.
+So here's what you can't conceptualize: yes, if the stakes were high and I was really into someone I *might* just be a little off my game going into it. And unlike you, I HAVE been there.
+What you don't get is that *I* pushed through and still pulled it off, anyway. As have lots of other guys. We both know YOU cannot say the same.
+Skill issue. Your end. Cope and seethe.
+>He says as he abandons most of his arguments
+That happened when now?
+--- 28773863
+>>28773692
+>Men who attend a 4 year stem-oriented school like MIT are significant more likely to graduate as virgins.
+Source: your ass.
+>Men who attend a 4 year stem-oriented school like MIT are significant more likely to graduate as virgins.
+Source: your ass.
+>Intelligence inverse correlates to sexual success for men
+Source: your ass. Also obviously blatantly false, since if that were the case incels would be having more sex than anyone else. Incels have low intelligence and are not having sex.
+--- 28773870
+>>28773850
+> if the stakes were high and I was really into someone I *might* just be a little off my game going into it.
+So in summary you admit I was right and you were just being a retard. Thank you.
+> That happened when now?
+You just did it again lmao.
+--- 28773875
+>>28773692
+>>28773863
+>Men are literally more likely to be sexually active if you're a medically diagnosed retard than if you have an IQ of 130.
+Obviously meant this one for the second line. You are literally a medically diagnosed retard if you think retards are having any sex. Someone with an IQ of 130 is more than smart enough to figure out how to get sex if he so wants.
+--- 28773879
+>>28773863
+> Also obviously blatantly false
+Nope, it is true 
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10706169/
+--- 28773893
+>>28773870
+>So in summary you admit I was right
+Uh, no?
+You said I would magically lose all confidence and/or be rejected for being too caring and not a mass murdering drug dealer who kicks puppies around, or something.
+--- 28773903
+>>28773893
+No I didn’t say that, but if you need to make up a baseless strawman to continue coping go ahead.
+--- 28773908
+>>28773863
+NTA and I even disagree with that anon, but yes, intelligence does make you less likely to be sexually active. I think it's because you have more important stuff to do, so this doesn't apply to people complaining on anonymous imageboards.
+--- 28773915
+>>28773879
+>study is about teens
+>incel claims it's about MIT
+You are proving the point. Incels all have very low intelligence. You actually think that one study about teens applies in any way to adults. And it doesn't even say that sexual "success" correlates inversely with intelligence. It only says intelligent teens are less inclined to want to have sex so early on.
+
+Incels have very low intelligence, so how come they're not having sex?
+--- 28773929
+>>28773915
+>Incels have very low intelligence
+Source: your ass
+> so how come they're not having sex?
+No one said it’s the only factor involved in getting sex, if you are also ugly and autistic that will stand in your way.
+--- 28773940
+>>28773908
+This is true, but incels lie that more intelligent people start having sex later because they "can't" get sex. Anyone can get sex if he wants. Anyone. Even incels. They just refuse to try.
+--- 28773944
+>>28773929
+The majority of incels are NEETs. There are no incels who have high intelligence. This is a fact. Just read any incel forums and the average IQ there is around 80.
+--- 28773949
+>>28773944
+Being a NEET doesn’t mean you are less intelligent. Success =/= intelligence.
+--- 28773955
+>>28773949
+>Success =/= intelligence.
+This is the dumbest thing I have seen in this entire thread, which is already full of pants on head retarded posts.
+--- 28773957
+>>28773940
+>Anyone can get sex if he wants. Anyone. Even incels. They just refuse to try.
+
+This is utterly retarded. I mean if you mean in theory most people could get a credit card with $1,000 credit limit and get a cash advance for some of that and then hire a prostitute, okay. Maybe most people could do that. But not even all people could do that maybe they've screwed up their credit. Well then they can wait until the 7 years has elapsed and then they can reapply. Or they can get a job and Save money. If we eliminate prostitution, then it's quite clear that not everyone has sex and then if we go from sex to a a relationship, fewer will have that, and if we go from a relationship to a loving relationship, even fewer will have that.
+
+If you've studied non-human primates, not all of the males reproduce and more of the females do. This isn't just due to the males falling into rivers and drowning before reproducing period this is because even in non-human primates where there is a lower range of traits, there's no money to sell things, not all of the males reproduce. Then if you look at human primates, you have many males who don't reproduce under hunter-gatherer conditions more when agriculture is introduced and then you have not a one-to-one but a more even ratio ones monotheism and monogamy are introduced. But even that's not one to one. And keep in mind that for much of our history sex and reproduction were far more closely linked due to lack of prophylactics and birth control.
+--- 28773959
+>>28771437 (OP)
+The problem with "Nice" people is that they're vulnerable, butthurt, creepy, overly invested, with shitty life trajectories, and they show it.
+
+It's good that you're nice, but it doesn't make up for a low self esteem and a failure to take pride in yourself and your life.
+--- 28773961
+>>28773940
+Anyone can pay a prostitute.
+But it is absolutely not true that everyone can date, or be in a relationship.
+I think thats pretty different.
+--- 28773965
+>>28773957
+What would prevent you from going out and getting sex this week? Nothing. What would prevent any incel? Nothing. They simply want to continue being incels and rage autistically on the internet. And when asked why they're not having sex they lie.
+--- 28773970
+>>28773944
+>There are no incels who have high intelligence. This is a fact. Just read any incel forums and the average IQ there is around 80.
+
+Plenty of intelligent people don't work or go to school. Work and school are designed for average people. The meaty part of the curve. I always knew this being above average myself but not that far above average, but what drove it home for me was working with the homeless and Street kids. Now almost by definition Street kids are not enrolled in training or employed. You're quite right that there are some who are absolutely retarded, but then there's also quite a few who are incredibly intelligent but who don't like school.
+--- 28773973
+>>28773961
+The amount of men and women who have a hard time getting a relationship is about the same.
+--- 28773982
+>>28773955
+>This is the dumbest thing I have seen in this entire thread, which is already full of pants on head retarded posts.
+
+Intelligence is strongly correlated with success, no one would deny that, but it's not sufficient. I can give you an example of a family member who was first in his class all through High School who did three years of an engineering degree with excellent grades and then dropped out because he got addicted to drugs in the 1970s. He still managed to have several children and be gainfully employed. But was he successful? There are plenty of people he knew from his working life and student life and life going through rehab a few times who were definitely stupider than him but they did better than him.
+--- 28773983
+>>28773955
+Then you’re just stupid. IQ is only moderately correlated with success.
+--- 28773984
+>>28773973
+Theres a surplus of lonely men. Literally just choose the one you like most.
+Theres no surplus of lonely women men can pick from.
+--- 28774001
+>>28773678
+There is a lot of telling women how they feel and behave here as of they were a dofferent species. 
+
+LOL.
+
+Womemnare not aliens anon or animals from discovery channel. They are human beings. Like you.
+
+Complex who make chooices for many reasons.
+
+Stop dehumanizing women and maybe you could start working on having a chance with them.
+--- 28774010
+>>28773965
+>What would prevent you from going out and getting sex this week
+
+Well we're not talking about me first off. But unlike many people I have this horrible horrible and I really mean it it just sucks, ability to look at other people's situation and sort of analyze it. So as soon as you're saying there's this activity that anyone can do if they really try hard enough, you're bullshiting or you're stupid. There are things that not everyone will ever do. Having sex is one of them. And as soon as you're trying to Gaslight people by telling them here's this thing that everybody can do if they try hard enough, it's basically going to end in a tautology that oh if you're not you didn't try hard enough. Try harder. And when it comes to having sex, what you're saying flies in the face of how literally every other species reproduces. Any species with two sexes, not all of the individuals of those Sexes reproduce
+
+I mean you've brought up autism. I presume because you're such an intelligent person you're aware of the employment statistics for people with autism. In Canada for example one study put it as one in five people with a diagnosis of autism are employed. And this is even with degrees and so forth that doesn't actually help. And being employed is somewhat similar to having sex. It means your giving another person what they want enough for them to keep you around in a role. So even if it's just because someone has autism for example let's get the extreme end of the spectrum consider someone who's a nonverbal autistic. It's very unlikely they're going to have a sexual relationship with anyone. Or even a verbal autistic person who stems in a way that is unsettling to people. You're just a very unkind person who isn't as smart as you think you are. But that's most people so I wouldn't worry about it if you're doing well. The whole world is designed to facilitate the success of people who aren't as smart as they are and who aren't very kind
+--- 28774011
+>>28774001
+How am I dehumanizing women? I just said most women are attracted to men who are confident, smooth, dominant, and leading. This isn’t my opinion, women themselves say this.
+--- 28774024
+>>28774001
+>Stop dehumanizing women and maybe you could start working on having a chance with them.
+
+Except we all know this isn't actually necessary. There are plenty of men who will tell a woman to her face you're nothing but a dumb s*** fit for my load. In fact I've had girlfriends who enjoyed being talked to that way. I'll do it if they ask but I don't really get off on telling a woman she's a come dumpster. But let me tell you lots of women like being tied up and reduced to the status of f*** thing. So I don't understand how that isn't dehumanizing. A human has freedom of movement. If you enjoy being tied up you enjoy being turned into a thing. And lots of my girlfriends have enjoyed that. So stop lying to this thread. Now this isn't that all women enjoy this treatment, but some do. So it has nothing to do with dehumanizing women. Men who think of women as their inferiors, when I actually talk to my dad about what he thought of women, he thinks they're inferior they're like children who don't think properly. He never had any problem with women in spite of his thinking that women are like children.
+--- 28774033
+>>28774011
+>How am I dehumanizing women? I just said most women are attracted to men who are confident, smooth, dominant, and leading. This isn’t my opinion, women themselves say this.
+
+The person you're talking to is trying to Gaslight you with self-improvement nonsense. Can most people better themselves? Sure they can. But when it comes to mating opportunities, I'm the sort of man who's had women approach him since I was in elementary school. They wanted to play doctor they wanted to play house they wanted to do this and then in University they wanted to go for walks and they wanted to invite me to their dorm room and then they would come out of the bathroom naked and s*** like that. I'm well aware that this doesn't happen to most men. So you can do a lot to improve your situation that's undeniable. But you're not going to improve yourself into me or one of the men you're thinking of when you're talking about the sort of man that a woman is really attracted to.
+--- 28774052
+>>28773903
+Here's exactly what you said, faggot:
+>If a guy goes on a date with two women, one he doesn’t really like that much and just wants to sleep with, and the other he finds intimidatingly beautiful and amazing and desperately wants a relationship, do you genuinely think he will be equally cool confident and relaxed on both dates?
+
+>The traits that attract her in the first place are symptoms of him being an asshole.
+>It’s easy to be confident when you don’t care at all about someone
+>It’s easy to be smooth when you’ve practiced o playing with a dozen other girls
+>It’s easy to lead when you are egotistical and narcissistic and think you are better than everyone else.
+
+It's all right there for all to see, so don't try to walk it back now.
+If you enter a date with a woman and you "desperately want a relationship with her", that's on you. That's not how you're supposed to approach it.
+--- 28774059
+>>28774052
+>Here's exactly what you said
+Correct, and then you said you would be the exact same,
+
+Only to pathetically walk it back with
+
+> if the stakes were high and I was really into someone I *might* just be a little off my game going into it.
+
+You admitted it, I was right you were wrong, point blank.
+--- 28774070
+>>28774011
+You said women are genetically hardwired to like certain traits and that's ehy most women fall for criminals whichbis bothbfalse and dumb.
+
+And that is dehumanizing. You are tryingnto apply "logic" to human behavior. When it's not logical, people have dofferent preferences and tastes. Men and women alike.
+
+When you talk like that, like women are those beings that like X Y Z you are dehumanizing them.
+--- 28774083
+>>28774059
+What part of "yeah I might have briefly been a little nervous but then held it together and pushed through after all" do you not get? That's the key part you disengenous retard.
+Everyone gets nervous at times. What seperates winners and losers is how you handle it and what happens next after that.
+--- 28774092
+>>28774024
+What does liking bondage has to do with someone looking at you like you are different species? Like you are an alien?
+
+
+Your prude mind is confusing liking kink to been dehumanized.
+--- 28774093
+>>28774033
+Thanks for being honest about it.
+Wish more people were.
+--- 28774097
+>>28774083
+Because that is irrelevant to my point. Everything is on a spectrum, some get more nervous than others and it depends on the situation,
+This is why women end up with assholes, the assholes tend to be less nervous / needy and thus tend to get better results. This isn’t hard to understand but somehow you can’t get it through your thick skull.
+--- 28774102
+>>28774033
+Things that totally happened.
+--- 28774107
+>>28774070
+We are all genetically hardwired to like certain traits. Just because there are different preferences doesn’t mean we ignore the general trends.
+--- 28774121
+>>28774097
+So is being an asshole the *only* way to be less nervous? Simple yes/no question here.
+From your dishonest debating tactics, you're clearly a huge asshole yourself so by your logic, you shouldn't be having any problems in the dating world.
+--- 28774123
+Don't you people have MOTHERS???
+
+The fact you all can say those gastly things about women while coming into this world from one is skmething I can never get my head around.
+--- 28774125
+>>28773984
+That is simply not true. Why do you post lies on the internet?
+--- 28774140
+>>28774010
+That's a lot of nonsensical word salad that completely avoids answering the question.
+--- 28774142
+>>28774123
+Wait till the poor anons start chiming in
+>i know women love criminals cause my dad's in jail
+--- 28774148
+>>28774121
+>So is being an asshole the *only* way to be less nervous? 
+Nope, and never said it was
+>From your dishonest debating tactics, you're clearly a huge asshole yourself so by your logic, you shouldn't be having any problems in the dating world.
+Yes, which is why in my own life I’ve experienced it, when I care less I win, when I care more I lose. I have lost girls because I actually cared about them and peeled girls off of other guys because I cared less. I cannot gaslight myself into believing women do not like assholes when the evidence is overwhelming. Just the other day I was skimming a YouTube video called “why women like jerks” and the comments were full of women affirming the title. Women saying they are addicted to an asshole guy. Women saying they had a jerk ex but left him and went with a kinder guy who they find themselves way less attracted to. Even women saying that they were attracted to assholes but knew better and never pursued them.
+--- 28774151
+>>28774125
+I'll put it simply.
+Theres incel culture. They are everywhere online.
+Wheres the femcel culture? Where are they?
+--- 28774154
+>>28774151
+>Wheres the femcel culture? Where are they?
+In the same places as incels. /r9k/. Femcel forums.
+--- 28774156
+>>28774125
+Pew research just came out with data finding among 18-29 year olds 60% of men are single compared to 30% of women.
+--- 28774160
+>>28774154
+Anon, the ''femcels'' in /r9k/ are literally swimming in male attention. Im not suer why you think a comparison can be made here.
+--- 28774174
+>>28774148
+>Women saying they are addicted to an asshole guy. Women saying they had a jerk ex but left him and went with a kinder guy who they find themselves way less attracted to.
+This is only half the story, and like I said before the women either won't admit it or are too dumb to even conceptualize it. The jerks are assertive, the kinder guy was a pushover and THAT is why she likes one and not the other. Meaning, you could be a nice person and still assertive and free-spirited and not needy and clingy with her. Incels take this to mean "hurr durr girls only want guys who beat them and commit crimes" while meanwhile not even actually being nice themselves, just awkward doormats.
+--- 28774178
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Hey OP.
+I can explain everything about nice guys but I'm not bothering or really reading the thread unless I know anyone is actually interested in learning. 
+
+>>28774121
+>So is being an asshole the *only* way to be less nervous?
+nta but
+No.
+--- 28774197
+>>28774148
+>I cannot gaslight myself into believing women do not like assholes when the evidence is overwhelming
+
+Exactly. And there's really no point in arguing with some retarded person on the internet who's either very inexperienced with women or who doesn't perceive reality correctly. Just last night I was taking the bus and ended up talking to some woman who is in Social housing. She was in a wheelchair because one night a woman was being beaten up by her boyfriend. So this woman in the wheelchair, she wasn't in the wheelchair at the time, gets up and goes to save the woman being beaten up. She fights him off by gouging out his eyes. The next night, the woman she saved in another woman come and beat her up. And this is a very common story, it's why you probably shouldn't intervene in a Lover's spat on the street. If the woman really wanted to walk away she could. She's not walking away because she likes the a****** who's screaming at her or shoving her.
+--- 28774206
+>>28774178
+Fuck it. Have some copypasta:
+
+Should you act like an asshole?
+NO.
+Those guys are acting the way they act.
+You would be acting like how you perceive those guys act to the best of your ability to act like someone who you are not, in a specific manner, while simultaneously trying to get to know a girl and respond with natural attraction.
+Do you see the difference?
+
+Putting on an act and pretending to be someone else is a bad idea.
+The problem, I guess, is the supportiveness. Withhold your supportive nature until she is hooked. Don't tell her about you being supportive of other womeneither. (Being supportive of weaker beings that aren't her peers is actually a really good thing)
+If she sees you will support anyone, she isn't special. If a person doesn't need to work for the reward (your support) it *feels* less valuable. That's a human nature thing and partly why hazing is done. You want her to feel like *she* can get your attention and support, if she puts in a little effort.
+
+You want to fuck her.
+That isn't a question. You may be perfectly willing to match her enthusiasm and pace but you are always pushing the edge for a little more because you want to fuck her.
+You can be polite, kind, and gentle, but as you politely sit next to her as she tells you about her family you want to fuck her.
+You always want to fuck her.
+When you kiss her, you want to keep on kissing her. You want to fuck her at the end of the first date. You want to fuck her at the *beginning* of the first date.
+You don't try to, because you respect her. But you push for it.
+You push closer. You touch her. You inch closer to her mouth. You can't fuck her right then, but you want to fuck her.
+
+Waiting until she greenlights you to show her how much you desire her is backwards.
+Hungry men get fe
+--- 28774209
+>>28774174
+>Meaning, you could be a nice person and still assertive and free-spirited and not needy and clingy with her.
+
+The point being made is that clearly you don't need to be nice. So you're quite right that there are some nice kind people who are assertive. But that's not necessary to have a relationship with a woman. You can be an a****** who beats the woman up and she'll stay with you and get angry if someone intervenes and tries to save her. That's what's being said here, that your idea that being nice is important is wrong. Women literally don't care if you're nice. In fact as you say they'll find it sort of cringe if a man is nice.
+--- 28774210
+>>28774156
+And as usual incels deliberately misinterpret the data. The main difference comes from the definition of "single". Girls will say they have a bf even if he's just fucking them. Guys will say they are single if they just have a fucktoy.
+
+Once again, why must you so desperately lie?
+--- 28774214
+>>28774178
+OP and incels are not interested in learning. They're not interested in getting a girlfriend or having sex.
+--- 28774220
+>>28774210
+That literally just proves the point. There are more single men because multiple women share a single man.
+--- 28774225
+>>28774206
+Hey this is actually good. This thread isn't entirely useless.
+--- 28774229
+>>28774214
+
+I'm very glad I never had to learn anything to get a girlfriend. It's like that Meme with the football player in the cheerleader. Those two never had to engage in any program of self-improvement to start hooking up. It just happened. And that's how I've got all of my girlfriends from the girls I played with in elementary school to the ones in university. Oh by the way, if you weren't playing doctor with girls in elementary school it's because they thought you were ugly. That's a very normal part of human sexual development, that's why the euphemism is playing doctor. But the girls don't actually play doctor with all of the boys so the ones they don't play doctor with have a very abnormal sexual development and have lots of bizarre ideas about how it requires self improvement.
+--- 28774250
+>>28774206
+>If a person doesn't need to work for the reward (your support) it *feels* less valuable. That's a human nature thing and partly why hazing is done. You want her to feel like *she* can get your attention and support, if she puts in a little effort.
+This is why a guy who is an asshole almost all the time but rarely doles out moments of tenderness and only ever to his woman makes her feel incredibly special and like he truly loves her.
+An asshole's affection is a Shiny Rare Treasure only give to very few.
+The affection of a guy who is nice to every one and anyone is common, easy, and *feels* worthless.
+
+It's about making her feel special.
+--- 28774266
+>>28774214
+>OP and incels are not interested in learning.
+And I'm not interested in reading the thread to determine if OP is an incel or not. I give anons a shot.
+--- 28774268
+>>28774250
+>This is why a guy who is an asshole almost all the time but rarely doles out moments of tenderness and only ever to his woman makes her feel incredibly special and like he truly loves her.
+
+Women rarely give good advice about dating, but I knew a woman who was fairly abnormal, and she gave me two things that one should always do. The first is to never tell the woman you love her unless you said it first and even then you don't have to. The second is to be an a****** to everyone but her and this isn't absolute, you're just less of an a****** to her.
+--- 28774284
+>>28774209
+No one said you *have* to be nice. You probably *should* be nice, but that's a different conversation.
+The real problem here is that you have guys who don't get women seething that they don't get women because they're "too nice" when they (you) aren't even actually nice at all. You're not complaining that women are choosing assholes over nice guys, you're complaining that they're choosing assholes over other assholes (you). Only these assholes who women do like at least have *something* going for them, and you fags don't.
+Nice Guys™ are not and never have been actually nice people, so yeah thanks for just re-iterating what we all already know.
+--- 28774300
+>>28774229
+The demoralizing gaslighting is almost impressive at this point. What's your outfit, friend? CIA? FBI? Mossad? You've been well trained, I'll give you that.
+--- 28774312
+>>28774229
+>I'm very glad I never had to learn anything to get a girlfriend.
+You reveal your ignorance right here.
+That's not something to be glad of. If it weren't utter fiction designed to troll it'd be fucking tragic.
+
+Navigating relationships REQUIRES learning and growth. Otherwise the two don't grow together and it breaks down.
+
+You're literally bragging about getting a perfect score on an exam by randomly guessing. Congratulations, you've wasted your time.
+--- 28774349
+>>28774300
+He doesn't really need training, anyone with eyes can see that attractive men exist in the world. Some people are just born tall, handsome, and rich, what are you gonna do, life ain't fair.
+--- 28774366
+>>28774142
+Yeah mayb the true cause of Incels is how shitty dads have been these past years.
+--- 28774373
+>>28774268
+>she gave me two things that one should always do.
+Yeah, that's her opinion on that principle though. She's not an authority on what women want.
+
+And modifying how you treat everyone and in order to get and keep a woman seems like a terribly weak sense of self to me.
+I got women by confidently being a goofball, not an asshole. I would hate having to spend time with a woman who likes being around an asshole.
+--- 28774380
+>>28774312
+>You're literally bragging about getting a perfect score on an exam by randomly guessing. Congratulations, you've wasted your time.
+
+Meeting behavior is mostly instinctual. There is a social reality involved with it too like age of consent and laws about rape and so forth, primates don't have any of that they call it forced mating not rape in primatology.
+
+What I mean by never having had to learn anything is that it was never a process of sitting down and doing any self-improvement. It wasn't a matter of finding some Guru to explain this is how you approach a woman. You understand that the vast bulk of people do not need any training to have relationships right? The fact that you treat it like an examination is sort of pathetic. It's not an exam, these are skills that should be developed by osmosis. But even those sorts of skills on exams, I recall the anecdote about the mathematician Gauss who was annoying his teacher so he was told to sum all of the numbers from 1 to 100 and he instantly replied $5,050. He did this because the pattern was obvious to him. 1 + 100 is 101 99 + 2 is 101 and there are 50 such pairs. So you have 50 hundreds which is $5,000 and then you have 50 ones which is 50. So for most people the forming relationships is like what Gauss did. The pattern is just self-evident, it's not something you need to study for. If studying helps you that's great.
+--- 28774390
+>>28774174
+>women either won't admit it or are too dumb to even conceptualize it
+And he wonders why women dont like his huts.
+--- 28774394
+>>28774349
+I know that anon. I'm one of them.
+It doesn't make what "he" (you) said any more helpful, even if you assume it's not total bullshit. Which it is.
+>bro if you didn't play doctor with girls in grade school it's OVER for you!
+>don't do anything stupid now, incel! (wink wink)
+--- 28774402
+>>28774390
+My huts?
+And women love me anon, don't know how to break this to you.
+--- 28774410
+>>28774284
+Nta
+I just said the other day that for all of my childhood and teen years, everyone outside my family would consistently describe me in one word "nice". I hated it. I would never choose that word to describe myself.
+
+Any guy who says "I'm a nice guy." might as well be saying "I'm not a rapist."
+It seems suspicious as hell even if true.
+--- 28774429
+>>28774394
+>>bro if you didn't play doctor with girls in grade school it's OVER for you!
+>>don't do anything stupid now, incel! (wink wink)
+
+This isn't what I've said at all. Think about it like playing football. The guys who are really good at football are that way mostly due to their upbringing their diet and their genetics. It isn't a matter of having sat down and learned the rules of the game. So whatever intellectual Endeavor you might engage in is not going to make you a good football player. The good football players are that way because of their genetics and nutrition and so forth. And also they probably were outside playing sports instead of just playing with a computer. So they have good hand eye coordination. I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I haven't said it's over, what I've said is that there are traits that some men have and a lot of men don't. And no amount of self-improvement is going to get you those traits. And for not insignificant proportion of men especially in this day and age, no amount of self-improvement is going to make you competitive in the dating market. It's like how you might not be on the universities football team, but there might be a sort of sports League at the University that's just played on a friendly basis with other people at the University it's not a competitive inter-university league. So some people will be able to play in that but not on the University Collegiate team and some people won't be able to play on either. Trying to tell people that everyone can play football they just need to try hard enough is ridiculous.
+--- 28774444
+>>28774380
+Your deflection won't help. You haven't posted a single thing that leads me to believe that you have ever learned anything about how to interact with women. 
+
+Your trolling methods seem more polished.
+--- 28774474
+>>28774394
+>It doesn't make what "he" (you) said any more helpful, even if you assume it's not total bullshit. Which it is.
+
+You're giving people false hope. And part of this is very similar to the economic world we live in. If you try hard enough will you be able to live with roommates or rent an apartment? Yeah probably. Many places in the western world now unless you earn an above average income, you are not buying property. Even if you get married if you both don't make an above average income, you're certainly not buying a detached home many places in the western world. So this self-improvement narrative applied to economics is obviously false. It's equally false when applied to dating or mating. It's like someone saying I wish I were born with money like you, and you say to him well if you try hard enough you'll be able to be like me and if you don't end up like me it's just because you didn't try hard enough. Success with women requires intergenerational success. It requires men with good genetic traits that are conserved by eugenic mating practices. And those can be damaged by mating with bad men or bad women. It's really a lot more like an economic system than you were willing to admit. It's the same sort of narrative that a****** rich people give to poor people. Everyone could be like me if only they worked as hard as I did. It's not hard work it's inheritance, either genetic or monetary.
+
+I haven't said anyone should do nothing, what I've said is that people who are waking up to the inherent inequality of what they called the sexual Marketplace are not wrong. They're just as right to do an economic quantitative analysis of that Marketplace as they are to do an economic quantitative analysis of the financial system. And in both cases you'll find that assholes do better. There's ample evidence that Psychopaths do fairly well in corporate environments. Not people who can't obey Norms at all, but people who can obey norms well enough to manipulate things
+--- 28774481
+>>28774220
+>multiple women share a single man.
+What a retarded claim. This simply isn't true. Women want one guy and definitely don't want to share him. Are all incels this colossally stupid?
+--- 28774483
+>>28774429
+Congratulations.
+You've successfully convinced me that, in addition to having never learned anything about how to interact with women, you also never learned anything about how to play sports.
+
+This is like watching a troll sinking into quicksand.
+--- 28774493
+>>28774429
+>everyone can play football
+Everyone literally can play football dumbass. Sure you may not beba professional player. Just as no onebisbarguing thebweirdo incels basement guy will be ablentonscore a milionare top model.
+
+We are arguing that everyone can date and flirt and have sex.
+
+Just like everyone can play football.
+
+In different levels and eays sure but EVERYONE CAN.
+--- 28774495
+>>28774444
+>you have ever learned anything about how to interact with women.
+
+If I learned you mean sat down and read a book like I would have learned chemistry No, and that's because I never have had to.
+
+What you're trying to do is present something that's based on genetics and instincts as though it's something that's learned behavior.
+--- 28774517
+>>28774493
+>Just like everyone can play football. Everyone can't play football. There's a bare minimum of skill required where if you don't have it it will not be enjoyable for the other people on the team. And then there's also the question of motivation, but in your self-improvement narrative if someone doesn't want to do something that just shows they need to self-improve until they want to and it's their fault. It's not that they're ever allowed to say well I don't like playing this game as a reason why they aren't good at playing the game.
+--- 28774538
+>>28774493
+Everyone can play, not everyone is guaranteed to win.
+Whoever loses will complain. 
+That's why these threads will always be eternal. 
+Because someone has to lose, and that someone will complain.
+If Joe loses, Joe complains. If Bob loses, Bob complains. And so on.
+--- 28774540
+>>28774483
+>This is like watching a troll sinking into quicksand
+
+You're just overly convinced of your own position even though it's not borne out by any facts. I mean we could also talk about playing music. Can everybody learn to strum a few chords unless they like can't move their hands? Sure. But that's not really playing the guitar. So once we accept that no one's going to want to listen to you strum a few chords off key, we can readily admit that not everyone can play guitar. It's the same for football or having relationships with women. Even if a great many can do these things either naturally or by self-improvement, it doesn't mean everyone can. That's all I'm saying and the fact that you have so much difficulty accepting this just suggests you're not very aware of how the world works.
+--- 28774542
+>>28774474
+Nta
+I was literally BORN with a disadvantage in the sexual marketplace. Others were born with significant advantages. That means that they have more opportunities than I ever did.
+That's fucking it.
+
+I still was able to gain other advantages, learn, and improve. I'll never be as well off as others who were born in advantageous situations and also improved. I'm never going to be a Rockstar. 
+That's fine. I've already lapped many who felt they never had to learn.
+Git gud.
+--- 28774549
+>>28774481
+>Women want one guy and definitely don't want to share him.
+Poly relationships are increasingly becoming a thing in western countries, anon. The amount of men women are willing to date is so low that most of them are "forced" to share.
+--- 28774570
+>>28774542
+I have no idea why it's so hard to admit that some people are so disadvantaged that they will never succeed. Is it part of your coping mechanism? That if you admit that some people will try and not succeed, that maybe you'll be one of them? The fact that I never needed to try to succeed is why I can admit the truth. I never had to try so I'm not under the impression that trying is going to work in 100% of cases and if people don't succeed we just tell them well you didn't try hard enough. This mythology that as long as you try hard enough you will succeed is completely false. I mean maybe for guys like you at work just a coping mechanism to keep you trying because you're part of the group that will do better by trying than by not trying but I never had to do any of that.
+--- 28774578
+>>28774495
+>If I learned you mean sat down and read a book like I would have learned chemistry No, and that's because I never have had to.
+Congratulations.
+You've successfully convinced me that, in addition to having never learned anything about how to interact with women or play sports, you also never learned anything about how people fucking learn. I've learned more from sketch comedy than you have from books.
+
+>What you're trying to do is present something that's based on genetics and instincts as though it's something that's learned behavior.
+Nope. You probably never learned how to understand concepts
+--- 28774585
+>>28774570
+>I have no idea why it's so hard to admit that some people are so disadvantaged that they will never succeed
+It's call just world fallacies and it lets people pretend that their success is purely due to their own hard work and skill and not luck and fortune.
+Same reason boomers harp about "muh bootstraps". They want to believe their economic success was because of their own grit and ability and not being born at the apex of economic growth and class mobility in the west.
+--- 28774599
+>>28771613
+This.
+
+I'm gonna bring it back to a nerd analogy. You remember that episode of Star Trek TNG when Picard gets the opportunity to relive past moments of his life, and he chooses to not get involved in a fight that resulted in him getting stabbed and losing the heart he was born with? He thinks it was a huge mistake of his life, but he gets the opportunity to see the direction his life would've gone in had he not taken that risk. In that world, he never became a captain, he was a permanent low ranked non-officer in Starfleet. He finds out that the bold decisions he made in his life are what defined it, and he never would've been a captain had he made those choices in life. He would've been just another NPC background character on the Enterprise instead.
+
+Nice guys finish last because they never take actions to get ahead. Moreover, no one calls themselves a "nice guy" unless they're so boring that they lack any other characteristics. I'm a lifter. I'm a scientist. I'm a gamer. But I'm also a nice guy. But being nice is the bare minimum.
+--- 28774606
+>>28774549
+When is the last time you stepped outside your basement? You have a severe case of delusion where you think your incel wank fantasies are reality.
+--- 28774610
+>>28774578
+>Nope. You probably never learned how to understand concepts
+
+It seems like for you this is a very verbal process that involves reading and thinking rather than just acting. For me it doesn't involve any of that I just have to be myself and it works out. It's not an intellectual exercise just like how throwing the ball around with my dad wasn't an intellectual exercise. He threw it I caught it I threw it he caught it. I certainly got better through doing that but I got better through practice, not through learning or any intellectual process. I didn't sit down and read about physics and the angle at which you throw something for it to go furthest for example.
+--- 28774616
+>>28774606
+>When is the last time you stepped outside your basement?
+Regularly. Your "le incels don't know how life REALLY works" excuse won't work.
+Women are increasingly pursuing a small group of men which necessitates sharing them.
+--- 28774619
+>>28774610
+>I didn't sit down and read about physics and the angle at which you throw something for it to go furthest for example.
+And there's the catch, many of us are abnormal people who do have to learn about social interaction like that. Which is why neither you nor the normies can really help, since normal people have never gone through that process.
+--- 28774622
+>>28774599
+>But being nice is the bare minimum
+
+What's being discussed here is that it's obviously not. If we can agree that guys who will beat their women are not nice, clearly being nice has nothing to do with it in every case. It's not a bare minimum. So this idea that oh yeah you think you should get p**** for being a nice guy well everyone's nice and then there's something else, it's b*******. Stop gaslighting these poor boys. Violent dominating assholes get laid. They're not nice in any sense of the term.
+--- 28774642
+>>28774619
+>And there's the catch, many of us are abnormal people who do have to learn about social interaction like that. Which is why neither you nor the normies can really help, since normal people have never gone through that process.
+
+Yes, so if you don't do it by nature but do it by education, then some people are going to be apt for education and some are not going to. So you have some people who succeed by nature some who succeed by education and some who don't succeed at all. The most I can say for this educational idea that well you just need to keep trying and keep learning, is that yeah maybe that's a positive mindset where it will encourage you to keep trying and admitting to yourself that maybe all the trying in the world won't make a difference is going to demotivate you. But that doesn't mean it's not true that all the trying in the world isn't going to help everyone. Unless you're going to then say tautologically that well if you failed you obviously just didn't try enough.
+--- 28774680
+>>28774622
+Being nice doesn't mean anything in itself clearly or there wouldn't be abusive parents or wife beaters.
+
+But if you're trying to be a good, attractive person, it most certainly is the bare minimum. The guy who beat his wife wasn't always beating her. He was, at one point, nice to her. Tell me, how many women will fall in love with you if their first impression is of you beating them?
+--- 28774734
+>>28774616
+Do you seriously believe that most women will be happy to share a boyfriend? You are deluded and retarded. You share your own fantasies about Chad and project them onto women.
+--- 28774742
+>>28771437 (OP)
+Watch Hamza asap. 
+He's a perfect example of how a below-average to average looking guy can get increasingly beautiful women the more they develop themselves.
+--- 28774871
+>>28774517
+Literally everyone can play it dimwit.
+
+And I'm not even a self improvement guy but op clearly wants to date and he can.
+
+Swimming in a self defeating pool of sadness and alienation like you suggest won't do he no go.
+
+He can try and even have fun trying.
+--- 28774876
+>>28774570
+I don't think you understand what it means to "succeed", Charlie Sheen. I don't believe your claims and even if we accept your claims that naked women throw themselves at you, I don't recognize that as success. I've turned down sex and you clearly don't know how to have a relationship.
+
+>some people are so disadvantaged that they will never succeed.
+The problem is that there a tiny fraction of people like that and a huge number insecure men and incels who believe they are.
+They aren't.
+There are disfigured and impoverished men who can find partners.
+
+Telling anonymous strangers "lol some guys will never succeed lol" is transparent as fuck
+--- 28774881
+>>28774538
+But playing is not about wimning is aboit having fun.
+
+Unless it's your job or something.
+--- 28774896
+>>28774540
+>not everyone can play guitar.
+Litwrally everyone can do that! You just have to try and put an edfort.
+
+Do you think guitar players are just born like that?
+
+It takes dedication. And sure not everyone is going to be a rockstar but playing? Anyone can do it. Just like anyone can date.
+--- 28774919
+>>28774610
+>It's not an intellectual exercise
+If you're not th thinking about how you're interacting with people, you are definitively doing it mindlessly and making mistakes you aren't even aware of.
+
+>inb4 "No I'm not"
+How would you know? How long was your longest relationship?
+--- 28774930
+>>28774570
+>some people are so disadvantaged that they will never succeed
+Because it's not real.
+
+There are tons of incompetent people in important positions and competent people afraid of not being good enought.
+
+Impostor syndrome or whatever became a thing among young people because of ideias like yours.
+--- 28774948
+>>28774734
+>Do you seriously believe that most women will be happy to share a boyfriend?
+Yes? They're LITERALLY doing it now.
+--- 28774961
+>>28774622
+>If we can agree that guys who will beat their women are not nice, clearly being nice has nothing to do with it in every case. It's not a bare minimum.
+Riiiight. Because everyone always gets the bare minimum, believes they can, and believes they deserve it?
+Please tell us more about this world you live in.
+--- 28774969
+>>28774871
+These guys are like:
+
+"I'm not immediately good at something therefore I'm never going to be good at it"
+
+As if skills didn't take hard work and pratice.
+
+I blame technology making everything so immediate.
+--- 28775038
+>>28774948
+You're claiming that most women currently share boyfriends? This is based on survey data, right?
+Please consider learning from interaction with actual human beings.or at least observing them. 
+
+Marine Biologists used to shut down fisheries because they believed that the fish populations were too low. Meanwhile, fishermen who had actually been fishing in the waters for decades and literally saw thousands of the fish that weren't supposed to exist. They explained that the "experts" were just looking in the wrong places. But no, the scientists trusted their precious numbers and maths, insisting that the fish couldn't exist.
+--- 28775048
+One dude here saw some statistics on women who survived abusive relationships and got obssed with using it as "evidence" for his warped views on women.
+
+Some women dated scumbags, therefore scumbgas are the most attractive to womem therefore women like suffering and abuse.
+
+Which is pure non sense. Abusive relationships are complex things that often are build upon the person being nice to a fragilized person til they develop a dependency on them and THEN the abuse and violence start.
+
+But nope womem just like bad guys. Easier tjing to tell himself to justify his failure.
+
+Failure? Well not even that cause I feel he has no even tried once.
+--- 28775056
+>>28775038
+>You're claiming that most women currently share boyfriends?
+No. I'm claiming a sizeable and increasing portion are, which is why there are twice as many single young men as single young women and why a small group of men is having the overwhelming majority of sex.
+--- 28775078
+>>28775056
+I don't think poly people is as common as you imply. 
+
+They may be more common nowadays but are still rare and still stigmatized.
+
+I think it has more to do with younger people being more open to LGBTQ ideas amd other degenerecies like that than any chads.
+
+It's a big leap to go from that data to your conclusion.
+--- 28775111
+>>28775078
+>It's a big leap to go from that data to your conclusion.
+Most straight women are in relationships. Most men aren't
+Most straight women have regular sex. Most men don't.
+There is literally only one conclusion and that's that women are all fucking the same men. Knowingly or unknowingly, it doesn't really matter.
+--- 28775127
+>>28775056
+Who was selected to be questioned to generate these numbers? 
+Surveys are necessarily skewed as it's inherently a survey of people willing to be surveyed and that alone skews the data.
+
+And are these numbers based in any geographical area? Because places like China or even Alaska would need to be discounted.
+
+Specifics, Bob.
+
+If you're going to wave around numbers trying to seem intelligent on the internet, it helps to actually validate the information.
+--- 28775140
+>>28775111
+>There is literally only one conclusion
+No. That's objectively incorrect. You believe things that are not true and are therefore confused.
+--- 28775154
+>>28775078
+Nta
+
+>I don't think poly people is as common as you imply.
+An informal survey of people who've had poly relationships indicates that most people are poly. Numbers don't lie!
+--- 28775158
+>>28775127
+>>28775140
+>statistics present the same conclusion that literally anyone who knows anything about modern dating could figure out
+>"clearly the statistics are wrong!"
+--- 28775190
+>>28775158
+>literally anyone who knows anything about modern dating believes the exact same ridiculous thing that I do because I say so!
+You're just adorable. I've known actual preschoolers with better Critical Thinking skills than this.
+--- 28775195
+>inb4 Tinder encompasses reality
+--- 28775215
+>>28775190
+Are most men not single? Are many men not sexless? Are most women not dating or at least having lots of casual sex?
+How is this possible unless women are all sharing the same men?
+>>28775195
+>noooo this dating app CAN'T be a microcosm of general dating trends because...it just can't!
+--- 28775385
+>>28775215
+>Are most men not single?
+I haven't asked them. Have you?
+
+>Are many men not sexless?
+Many? Yes. Great word. Love that. 
+
+>Are most women not dating or at least having lots of casual sex?
+I haven't asked them, have you?
+
+>microcosm
+Reality is not a swipe after a few superficial seconds.
+Most people don't use Tinder.
+--- 28775633
+>>28774622
+So what you're really complaining about here isn't that some guys get passed over for being "nice", but that some guys get to be as awful as they want to be and still get laid and you don't. You guys *want* to be able to be as violent or assholish as you'd like with impunity as well as wanting to get laid.
+Which, as I've said in this thread for the umpteenth time now, is just further proof that you guys aren't actually "nice" at all.
+--- 28775744
+>>28774481
+Then explain why the majority of 18-29 year old men report being single but the majority of women do not retard.
+Women may want that, but that’s not how it works out in practice.
+--- 28775761
+>>28775633
+No I have no problem getting laid. What I'm saying is that the guys who are under the impression that being nice or kind as a requirement are obviously wrong. It might help but it's clearly not necessary in all cases. I mean to even survive in this world, you can't be that nice. When someone asked you for money on the street, you have to say no you can't just give them all the money in your wallet. It would be very nice to do that, and if you had infinite money why wouldn't you?
+--- 28775838
+>>28775744
+Nta
+But a guy could be dating a girl and consider himself "single" despite not dating anyone else whereas she could consider him her bf.
+One easy answer. Let it fucking go.
+--- 28775845
+>>28775761
+>What I'm saying is that the guys who are under the impression that being nice or kind as a requirement are obviously wrong.
+And what's your point?
+--- 28775869
+>>28775111
+>There is literally only one conclusion
+LOL wtf? 
+
+Dude. There is no way there are that many poly peolle out there.
+
+Besides many are two guys one girl and not one guy two girls.
+
+And Inreally doubt poly stuff is as prevalent as you say, find a source on that.