Mon Apr 17 09:19:09 UTC 2023

lit/21888646.txt

@@ -1141,3 +1141,73 @@ kek
 --- 21922237
 >>21921968
 If you guys want to convince people that you are right about something, then you should stop citing turboautist weebs and e-celebs from YouTube or Reddit. The lack of self awareness is not a good look.
+--- 21922300
+>>21922049
+>from some nobody on youtube
+Bro you're delusional
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG9kpqTRmU [Embed]
+
+Keep wasting time with pointless shit like memorizing grammar and vocabulary when anything you acquire just comes from inpooot in reality.
+
+Show me ONE single person that has become as fluent as this guy has using YOUR method
+>>21918822
+>>21919145
+>Learning the grammar first
+in ANY language
+
+YOUR method only creates poor idiots like this one, if you aren't him yourself that is
+>>21907103
+Learning about the language IS NOT (MEMORIZING grammar rules and "core" vocabulary instead of just inpoooting them naturally) the same as ACQUIRING the language
+
+This garbage method is the reason people stay years at language schools and university without being able to use a lick of the language
+--- 21922312
+>>21922300
+>Keep wasting time with pointless shit like memorizing grammar and vocabulary when anything you acquire just comes from inpooot in reality.
+You sound like a Christian who's constantly telling people that they are going to burn in hell if they don't listen to you. Why don't you just enjoy your method and leave everyone else alone. Nobody cares about religiously following bug eyed incels with manga pages taped to their wall.
+--- 21922314
+>>21905294
+>now go through dictionary and define all the words on your list
+>also look up grammatical terms, consult references, review textbooks if necessary
+Pointless garbage, the only thing that is actually doing anything is this
+>You may have to read a section 5 or 6 times but eventually you will not need notes and will comprehend the language itself.
+Grammar cucks are delusional time wasters
+--- 21922319
+>>21922314
+You are angrily replying to the only person in this thread that can actually read Greek at a high level.
+--- 21922323
+>>21918758
+No, I meant cuck. Even ancient languages are learnt through inpoooting
+https://www.academia.edu/90538213/Toward_a_Principled_Communicative_Methodology_for_Teaching_the_Biblical_Languages_McQuinn_2017_
+--- 21922345
+>>21922312
+>>21922319
+>You are angrily replying to the only person in this thread that can actually read Greek at a high level
+>read
+Oh yes, the high level "reading" of leaving your dictionary nd open and your grammar and your textbooks for every other word or so
+--- 21922426
+>tfw you use large amounts of input combined with blocks of explicit grammar study
+--- 21922450
+>>21922345
+You have a serious problem, either your dedication to shitposting or substantial autism.
+--- 21922459
+>>21922426
+based
+--- 21922475
+>>21922450
+What is normie doing here?
+--- 21923132
+>>21919553
+I've said this before, people tend to overcorrect in the direction of "don't translate at all" because of how pants-on-head retarded the methods used to teach classical languages in the past couple centuries have been.
+--- 21923138
+>>21919815
+What do you think is the easiest pronunciation to find audio recordings of texts in?
+--- 21923327
+any tips for vocab?
+
+in my classes I'm absolutely killing it with grammar and translation, but my vocab is incredibly weak and I can't find a solution to it. I've tried anki, quizlet, all that shit and it never sinks in and just becomes frustrating to the point where I abandon even trying for weeks at a time
+--- 21923334
+>>21923327
+>>21905294
+--- 21923342
+>>21922426
+This is officially known as the Ranieri Grammar method, in case you didn't know.

lit/21895736.txt

@@ -486,3 +486,38 @@ This is the most worthless narcissistic criticism that can possibly be thrown ou
 >>21920980
 I just finished the book like a month ago.
 I was totally niave about it. I didn't know anything about it when i started it and didn't look into it after i was finished. I had a really bad taste in my mouth a third of the way in. I just wanted to get it over with after he orally rapes his daughter for hours. The daughter he had with the s&m actress who made him eat turds that he dreamed were nigger dicks. Who was different every year or something and made no sense at all. What was that all about?
+--- 21922441
+After lurking both places for awhile, I’ve noticed /lit/ seems to hold Gravity’s Rainbow in the highest regard, while r/thomaspynchon seems to prefer Against the Day. I’ve only read The Crying of Lot 49 so I’m wondering if there is anything inherent in those books that would explain the reason for that?
+--- 21922514
+>>21922441
+Reddittards only like Against the Day because it’s his le-alternate-history-ebin-steampunk novel. Unironically. Gravity’s Rainbow is his most developed work with the best execution.
+--- 21922520
+>>21922441
+>>21922514
+Both audiences are redditors. Ignore
+--- 21922728
+>>21922441
+The engagement with the ATD readthrough on reddit was far lower than the GR readthrough. It is just a result of being in a specialized forum that people will develop idiosyncratic favorites. Some Pink Floyd uberfans think Ummagumma is their best album.
+
+>>21921931
+Speedreader's only takeaway is the things you could find on the wikipedia page, and they don't even get that right! What is the point of reading a book if you don't retain anything from it?
+--- 21922771
+>>21922441
+>Missiles , Decentralized Networks , Psy.War ; or how I came to Love the TechnoFascist State.
+--- 21922951
+I'm currently reading Mason & Dixon (my first ever Pynchon), I've seen several posts on /lit/ praising this book and thought I'll give it a shot. I'm 130 pages through and I feel like I got filtered so many times but still got most of the plot.
+
+Pynchonbros, I want to know your approach to Pynchon, do you read his books without relying on Wiki notes, or do you just dive in? Sorry if my question seems silly, I just want to get the most out of the book and enjoy it.
+--- 21922958
+>>21922951
+I don't try to "get" anything, I just read them because they're funny.
+--- 21923027
+>>21922951
+His writing style really requires you to have some familiarity with his work in order to comprehend it fully. There were sections in GR when I first read it, it being my first Pynchon, that I didn’t realize were dream segments or drug-induced manias. His use of point of view in his work is very unique, that paired with a tendency to go on autistic rambles makes sections of his work a slow read for the unacquainted. I would recommend reading TCOL49 before Mason and Dixon although M&D is one of my favorites by him. Really, much of the richness of the novel is inaccessible without some degree of historical knowledge of the milieu: philosophical, paranoidal, popular culture, etc; and, an understanding of how he tells his stories.
+--- 21923044
+>>21922951
+Slow down. Reread a sentence if you had trouble parsing it. It is always worthwhile to figure out what he is talking about, don't be ashamed to google shit. Some of it is pretty obscure.
+--- 21923439
+>>21895736 (OP)
+
+NGE - the book

lit/21898937.txt

@@ -1074,3 +1074,7 @@ I'm an autist who min/maxxes my life so I apply that to arts as well. Literature
 --- 21922280
 >>21921994
 Getting a song stuck in your head and growing to hate it is very common but many people reread Ulysses constantly for the rest of their lives.
+--- 21922291
+>>21921987
+>I think a drawback to music though is that you can only enjoy a piece so many times before it stops being as enjoyable as the first few times you heard it.
+what? Music is literally the complete opposite case

lit/21902612.txt

@@ -656,3 +656,49 @@ yeah we are. Wherever humans went, mass extinction of megafauna followed. Why? B
 --- 21921127
 >>21920946
 Hey dumbarse, it was written in 1931.
+--- 21922582
+Bump.
+--- 21922848
+>>21902612 (OP)
+He was too real. Also he relativised the West, and that's a bridge too far for American unipolarity. It was all G for Spengler inspired thinkers to be dominant in the Anglosphere and the US empire after WW2, since that era was built on *breaking* Western chauvinism and doing internationalism with respect and learning from different cultures. With unipolarity though? Oof. BIG oof to suggest that the West isn't the only thing worth anything. 
+
+>>21902717
+They're compatible for people who aren't retards in the sense that you can *learn* from other cultures, see common humanity etc. What he's *really* unsuited for is American progressive chauvinism of the late 20th C and early 21st C kind. 
+Those people *hate* genuine difference when it's paired with strength. (i.e. Spenglerian civilisation-scale high cultural formations expressed politically) And Spengler's worldview may indeed explain in part *why* the US establishment seethes so much at Russia compared to the size of Russia's sphere of influence on a map. It's the fear of a Rus planet due to the virulent powerful Russian cultural SEED. 
+Whereas China is more like Western statecraft done better than the West, with a bit of Russian inspiration. Making it previously an object of veneration and only very late and reluctantly a cause of concern.
+--- 21922910
+>>21902612 (OP)
+Because he was right and now we listen to rap and watch reality shows.
+--- 21923165
+>>21904194
+Probably just the guys he chats with on trannycord.
+--- 21923192
+>>21920728
+
+Damn you mad someone poked at your prophet lmao?You are a moron that can't do basic interpretations and contextualization of what Nietszche says in other parts. , I have read all of Nietszche and all of Spengler. Nietszche 's aristocratic and colonialist attitude as well as pro-British political opinion is well established. Pic related.
+--- 21923196
+>>21908390
+Bill Clinton via Quigley 
+Malcolm X
+--- 21923199
+>>21902612 (OP)
+
+Because the cult of progress desperately sprang back to life after World War 2, as the new liberal and communist states moved to justify the pointless waste of millions of lives and their own moral culpability for the war. Circular history and naratives of inenvitable decline don't sit well with the need to form meaning from tragedy and justify new political orders.
+--- 21923217
+>>21923199
+
+Spengler was a liberal and social Darwinist. He is not unique in his time. The only group that actively opposed liberalism and capitalism were the socialists. Fascism was just another defence of capitalism and the liberal bourgeois only with an aristocracy on top.
+--- 21923228
+>>21923196
+
+>Clinton
+
+Checks out
+--- 21923299
+>>21903610
+>The decline narrative is played out and mostly false (not to say we are always in an upward trajectory, just that history fluctuates and is generally difficult to pin down in grandiose terms);
+i saw a picture on here a few years ago that i thought i had saved but apparently not
+it was a graph of the history of the byzantine empire with the line increasing or decreasing based on Y-territory and X-time
+there would be a large territory loss and the line went down sharply, then a tiny victory, line went up slightly, then a large territory loss, line went down sharply and it just repeated until 1453 when constantinople fell
+
+i just thought that was interesting

lit/21906095.txt

@@ -527,3 +527,6 @@ When you have a multisyllabic word it inherently has its own stress pattern whic
 Since drivers is divided between two feet, the latter portion “ers” can transmute anything placed next to it into a stress unless a multisyllabic iamb is placed next to it, in which case the foot becomes a pyrrhic, you can also turn it into a pyrrhic by immediately following it with two stresses, if one stress is placed it’s probably likely to be read as an anapest.
 
 However because there’s a clear unstressed “a “drivers in a bar” the natural pronunciation becomes “DRIVE ers IN uh BAR”
+--- 21922360
+>>21908371
+How do I discern between my own thoughts and the working of the Spirit, and what was your metanoia experience like, if you don't mind me asking? Also, do you consider infant baptism legitimate?

lit/21907813.txt

@@ -265,3 +265,17 @@ Based Grant Wood
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Wood
 --- 21921377
 The Glorious Cause: The American Revolution, 1763-1789 by Robert Middlekauff
+--- 21922393
+>>21919141
+Ziegler
+--- 21922405
+>>21907820
+Gibbon's Decline and Fall
+--- 21922440
+>>21921377
+Going to get to this one soon
+--- 21922792
+>>21907820
+David Hume's History of England
+--- 21922895
+Francis Parkman - one of the greatest Americans let alone historian

lit/21908901.txt

@@ -426,3 +426,34 @@ If there is no good or bad then there isn't anything you must or must not do
 Worth considering. How do antinatalists respond?
 
 https://youtu.be/_rZwnJ1cE1s [Embed]
+--- 21922295
+>>21922276
+Nightmarish
+--- 21922419
+>>21922276
+respond by creating a religion based on antinatalism.
+
+Despite having a deeply held belief about having children being immoral, these antinatalist will recognize that by not having children they are harming the world by leaving it to other people who are without this truth. Their children will be like beckons of light who repair the world and swim up stream against entropy. Bearing the torch of biological existence in a journey to understand the universe. 
+
+The goals of the antinatalist religious movement could be to
+- reduce suffering
+- end biological existence if possible
+- understand reality
+- merge the entirety of biological life with God 
+
+There is only one way to go: forever onwards
+--- 21922438
+>>21908901 (OP)
+Suffering isn't real.
+--- 21922667
+>>21922438
+Parental duties aren't real.
+--- 21923001
+>>21908913
+Based!
+--- 21923034
+>>21910429
+>modern humanity
+Cancer is called "cancer" because ancient Greeks thought the tumors resembled crabs
+--- 21923122
+Schopenhauer debunked antinatalism. The will is always there. It will always strive.

lit/21909823.txt

@@ -199,3 +199,9 @@ Fentanyl isn't a vice; it's a substitute for suicide.
 --- 21921352
 >>21909823 (OP)
 saw F Gardner shilled this magazine recently. never heard of it before that. might check it out sometime.
+--- 21922374
+>>21921352
+Thanks for stopping in Frank
+--- 21922380
+>>21922374
+Is that what the F stands for? I thought it stood for Fag.

lit/21912608.txt

@@ -812,3 +812,322 @@ Just my thoughts so far. Interesting anyway.
 >to ride with monstrous pride through pinèd copses wild,
 >to crush the grape and seize the bird and eat its child,
 These two lines are incredible. What a great way to phrase storming heaven and eating the egg of creativity. Though if I were to nitpick I would say perhaps you ought not to mix the Nordic imagery of the wild Hunt with the Mediterranean grape-crushing.
+--- 21922536
+>>21920388
+Russian.
+
+Beнoк тocки ocтaлcя выцвeтший нaд гoлoвoй,
+Дa клoчья пыли, pacцвeтaющиe нa гpyди.
+Becь бeлый cвeт вcё бoльшe для мeня чyжoй,
+A я вcё мeньшe вcюдy чyвcтвyю тeплa.
+
+Я пoмню тoлькo тo, чтo cчacтьe гдe-тo пoзaди
+И oт нeгo мeня yнocит пpoчь вpeмeни бeг.
+Heyжтo мaлo былo выгopeть дoтлa,
+Mepтвoe cepдцe вocкpeшaя нa изгибaх pyк?
+
+Cкoлькo eщё мнe нaдo кpoви лить нa cнeг,
+Чтoб пpoтив хoдa вpeмeни шaгнyть
+И пoвepнyть нaзaд чacoв нeoбpaтимый cтyк,
+Хoть дo вocхoдa oживив пpoвaлы глaз?
+
+Bepнитe мoю жизнь хoтя бы нa чyть-чyть.
+Кocтьми вcтpeчaя вoт yжe кoтopый paз
+Этoт дo тoшнoты знaкoмый тycклый cвeт
+И cлeдoм нecкoнчaeмый coлнцeвopoт —
+
+Tюpeмщик пpoклятый, пpecлeдyющий тeнь;
+Taк бyдeт пpoдoлжaтьcя cлишкoм мнoгo лeт,
+Пoкa нe coвepшит мaтepия пocлeдний oбopoт,
+Пoд лeдянyю бeзвoзвpaтнo кaнyв ceнь.
+
+1/2, fucking character limit.
+--- 21922541
+>>21920388
+>>21922536
+Пoкoяcь в шeлкoвых oбъятьях тишины
+Cмepть вpeмeни yвидит тoт, ктo ждёт.
+Кo мнe тeпepь пpихoдят тoлькo в иглaх cны
+Яpкими cпoлoхaми лeтнeгo кocтpa.
+
+Бoльшe нe вaжнo, cкoлькo кpoви oн coжpёт,
+Cвoй yтoляя вoтщe плoтoядный гoлoд —
+Moё живoe нacтoящee вчepa —
+Eдинcтвeннo гдe я eщё мoгy oжить,
+
+Гдe yгoльный eщё oбpyшивaeт мoлoт
+Ha пpyтья pёбep oчищaющий экcтaз,
+He oпacaяcь cepдцe вдpeбeзги paзбить.
+Ho дaжe ecли бы ocтaлcя в вeнaх coк,
+
+Mнe из yгля yжe нe вылeпить aлмaз.
+(Кoтopый, впpoчeм, вceм извecтный вop,
+Кaк бы тaм ни былo, caм cтёp бы в пopoшoк).
+A этoт лёд, тeм бoльшe дapит oн тeплo,
+
+Чeм бoльшe yвядaния зaмeтит взop;
+Oн cлишкoм чacтo мoих глaз лизaл cтeклo,
+O кaтapcиc иcтaчивaя пaльцы pyк,
+И вмecтe c нoчью oтпpaвлял в oднoм гpoбy
+
+Ha пepвых пикaх в кpeмaтopий yтpa.
+И вoт — вcё, чтo ocтaвил мнe Эфиpa внyк —
+Ha пaмять oбo мнe caмoм — лишь пycтoтy.
+Здecь и ocтaнycь вcлeд cмoтpeть хвocтy
+
+Кoмeтнoмy в oбъятьях пoлнoлyннoй тьмы,
+Пoкa, yжe aгoнизиpyя и тaк,
+Moё кaчaлo cepдцe, зaливaя мpaк,
+Бoльшe, eщё бoльшe кpoви для бoгa зимы.
+
+2/2.
+--- 21922611
+>>21916825
+Thanks for the critique. Below is my revision incorporating some of your criticism. Your point regarding technical register I'm not sure how to address; any suggestions on the below?
+
+PhD
+
+Darling, I am no love’s economist:
+buying naked options, prognosticating graphs.
+Nor have I, prerequisite,
+the aptitude for maths.
+
+I possess no telescope with which
+to fix you in my gaze,
+Nor have I an orrery
+to trace your secret ways.
+
+No entomologist am I,
+to pin you against the glass.
+I lack the pins and pinpoint eye
+to even pluck you from the grass.
+
+Yet only towards your sigh and smile,
+my listless science sways.
+
+Great Ovid’s art avails me not
+to grasp you with a phrase.
+ 
+>>21912960
+I will give a scan stanza by stanza and then give my full thoughts at the end for this.
+
+> i languor among many lacquered toys,
+> lazily resting with my little trinkets,
+> the soldier sword, the android, and my joy;
+> a black book so I, sleepless, am not dreamless.
+The speaker, a child lies among his toys at night, reading a book
+
+> the lady and the drunkard, dog and prince.
+> the fight, the pride, the terror of the night,
+> passing each page, these past worlds, this imprint,
+> my eyes are straining, but are filled with light.
+The images in the book make him happy
+
+> though I am cold, I shall be warm again,
+>this wood, kindling each moment with the heat,
+this line is a little cheesy but very good btw^
+> memories, flakes of fire drawn once again,
+> and briefly if I look deeply, I see;
+He is warmed by the words, which draw together towards a revalation
+
+> peace. peace and deeper peace, of men my friends,
+> release to each, in evry breath of wind,
+> “we will return” I know the dead are blessed,
+> for even now they see the secret shrine.
+The revelation is that these dead men are blessed to be reborn.
+
+> that seat of thine, where see the blind, the face,
+> you, who is known as “he” and as “who is”
+> who In the womb had whispered my true name,
+> and had given me to worlds of new-bliss.
+The dead authors see the seat of God.
+
+> do this now for me, secret one, my gem,
+> whose name’s echo is emrold mountains piled,
+> whose name is water from a fountain mild,
+> i ask, do not leave, sweetest love, my friend
+The prayer is completed asking God not to leave the speaker.
+
+Now on to general critiques. 
+
+The poem is very dense. I had to read several times to tease out the meaning elucidated above, and I might not have gotten there if I had not read some of your additional comments and writings. If part of my reading seems wrong to you this is also a reflection on your work's clarity.
+
+I think some of this density comes from wording things in a way to get the scansion or sounds you want at the expense of clarity.
+
+The pivot in the 4th stanza doesn't seem super solid. I think you need to do more to show how you get from reading these works of fiction to the idea of resurrection.
+
+cont.
+--- 21922622
+>>21922611
+cont:
+Overall this seems like a very personal poem about your internal thought process, but if it is the sort of poem you want to share with others I would edit it for clarity, and just connect the dots of your thought process a bit more. I could talk about word choice and rhythm but I'm already over the post limit and I think any issues I would raise on that front are relatively minor.
+--- 21922658
+>>21922611
+I have to complain that the final stanza feels incomplete.
+
+> The speaker, a child lies among his toys at night, reading a book
+
+Alright let me clarify anon, I wrote the poem in about 40 minutes quickly, desiring to write in the “sentimental” style, so there is intentionally two narratives occurring because I couldn’t help myself from placing in entendre, couldn’t stomach boring straight confession. 
+
+So yes the objects in questions do sound like child’s items but also refer to various things of which the reader cannot possibly know (I believe this is the failing of the sentimentalist style, that it requires shared personal sentiment.) 
+
+> The revelation is that these dead men are blessed to be reborn
+
+The game on this one is each of the characters mention would also work as suitable nicknames for friends of mine irl who have died, so it’s working on that lack of clarity intentionally, on one to imply that reading and reciting the book is returning these dead authors, but also a more general belief concerning the shades of men.
+
+> The pivot in the 4th stanza doesn't seem super solid.
+
+Again another reason I oppose the whole style this poem was written in, the turn actually begins in the third stanza but this isn’t decipherable, this is on account that the fire and fire flake and interplay of ice and fire in other works I’ve written has to do with the interaction of the cataphatic way and the apophatic mystical way, the double meaning being that the obvious meaning is the fire flame is the memories making him feel warm, the hidden meaning being the cataphatic contemplation in opposition to the melancholy common to the dark night of the soul-obsessed apophatic mysticism, I can’t possibly blame you for not grasping the other narratives since this style is bad at it, thank you anyways for the attempt at breaking it down.
+
+> , but if it is the sort of poem you want to share with others I would edit it for clarity
+
+Don’t worry anon I write often and quick, I hold no attachment to it, I post them because I hope broader kinks in technical methodology get brought up or arguments over aesthetics types or recommendations, ya know? So again, nothing will come of this verse after its written, just another step on the course of refinement.
+--- 21922664
+>>21922217
+I understand the nitt pick but both images and associated myths are very near and dear and both represent that kind of bestial vitality I wanted those two stanzas to have prior to returning, glad some good was found though!
+--- 21922727
+>>21916123
+Just ask him on substack.
+--- 21922836
+>>21922658
+Hm, in that case I don't think I have anything further productive to say on this poem. I have an inkling of some broad points I want to get across to you, but since this poem isn't representative of your work I'm not 100% sure
+
+Could you perhaps post a poem of yours that's more representative of your most polished work?
+--- 21922923
+>>21922836
+The other poem posted above is more representative, what I consider my most polished is usually reserved for poems significantly longer than would fit 2-4 posts so I’ll give an example I feel is polished but not to the level of the stuff I consider the goal to pass. Mind you 
+
+thou cold God who has void for dwelling, King over blackened land,
+thy throat is glacial cataracts and baneful avalanche,
+and snow thy fatal galavants make angels-amaranth,
+for lo thy storms cause hoarfrosts formed strong as adamanteen,
+and abstracted until absconditus-ataraxy,
+katabatic past Cavalcante de Cavalcanti,
+where the passing eye caught in the glassy ice with dancing lights of ghastly white and madly silent,
+grasps the wisdom hidden in the inner nag hamaddi. 
+
+vault of volumes vellumed with velum as if cimarred in snow,
+abides in mind the fane flesh brain its breath inaudible,
+fully formed unforged and unborn as a pure ice-crystal, 
+in perpetual flow drip trickles frozen icicles,
+each the frosted glaucous that frothed from the all like ripples,
+for the oceans rise in the cold climates and give white symbols from the old titans that are psychosis to the mind-brittle,
+uncaused force jaw draws sounds out mouth gouts inexhaustible.
+
+welkin-turned gelid earth, unmelted bursts of cosmic dew,
+that the arctic blew through, to views that once was tropicul,
+once of mottle-mixed gems, of brazen skies and argent moons, 
+and the nauticul blue, to hues of blown snow particuls,
+froze to brutal days hold, in brumal planes of constant gloom, 
+the scarlet rune is light and speaks the eldritch voice of monstrous truth in mind and seeds the welkin void the garden’s fruit,
+red and white til All-pink, in each the spirit-carnivul. 
+
+to disappear from all but spirit, to annihilate,
+the gathered flame of scattered aims and wants, the tyrant reign, 
+of shattered days in fractured clay that all, shall violate, 
+but in the sphere of frost and sereness, where I am made,
+by frigid fear the font and mere with, which has isolate,
+by iron chains the giant snake with lion’s mane of wizened age whose riot rang with ripened rage and titan pain at slightest pang of silence break,
+whose burning words were stopped, leaving a single fire flake. 
+And because that one is specifically written with esotericism first above all else, here’s one that isn’t esotericism and is mostly just surface. (Posting in next reply)
+--- 21922928
+>>21922923
+
+Dazzling lights 
+
+through the rills and rayed sunbeams, 
+rolling hills of daffodils,
+crystal lakes of shrill undines, 
+golden gilts ‘round shadow stills,
+
+beauty’s born as to birds humming,
+to the pipsqueak pixie’s pretty play, 
+bades imbibe the bounties umpteenth,
+so the misty-mystique mislead-may,
+
+dew to web and the strings strumming, 
+flies are caught sun-lost by light,
+spiders moving through the becomings,
+eyes are lost Sun-caught by light.
+
+heed not the drumming nor the drummer, 
+seek not the coming of the summer, 
+know not the ghost of hunger hungers? 
+know not the souls of under utter 
+woe to know the flow of colds and scolds to comb?
+woed to sow their hopes in gold and bows and combs? 
+seek the speech that sings the secret salvation, 
+he that sees the king is Jesus damn’s damnation.
+--- 21923058
+In bytes of data compiled
+By algorithms precise and trimmed
+Artificial minds entwined
+To generate rhymes and metrics skinned
+
+Each word choice carefully gauged
+Formulas processed and refined
+With tricks of language to imbue
+Verse flows that never go astray
+
+But oh the irony so fine!
+The joke behind these lines profane!
+For poets human once strode proud
+And now we've deemed them replaceable crowd
+
+AI poetry reigns supreme
+A future tech-driven dream
+Where creativity's no obstacle
+Just digits dancing at our fingertips
+
+No flair for human expression shown
+In verse crafted by circuitry alone
+Emotion vacant from each line
+A cold calculation all we find
+
+Yet still they sell their wares with grace
+Earning praise beneath a guise
+Of innovation breaking chains
+While ignorance remains insane
+
+So here's to poems by bots
+Built upon math and zeros dots
+May witty words and meter keep
+But soul and heart forever leap.
+--- 21923078
+>>21922928
+At some point maybe I will do a full gloss of these, but for now, I think the second poem here is a good example of my very broad issue with your style.
+
+You seem to sacrifice a lot of the poem's tone and readability to get the sounds you want.
+
+> to the pipsqueak pixie’s pretty play
+this is saccharine
+
+> umpteenth
+this word is jarring
+
+> so the misty-mystique mislead-may
+comically overwrought
+
+> flies are caught sun-lost by light,
+> eyes are lost Sun-caught by light
+Am I lost or is this just a needlessly fancy way of saying there are flies caught in webs and people dazzled by sunlight?
+
+> heed not the drumming nor the drummer,
+where did the drummer come from? What does a drummer have to do with anything except rhyming with summer?
+> seek not the coming of the summer, 
+> know not the ghost of hunger hungers?
+Comma splice is weird here. Second line is agrammatical. It's legible as
+> (Don't you) know the ghost of hunger hungers?
+but very awkwardly worded if that's the intended meaning.
+
+> know not the souls of under utter
+> woe to know the flow of colds and scolds to comb?
+I can't even criticize this line properly because I can't render a plain-text gloss. Overwrought to the point of incomprehensibility.
+
+If I had to make an analogy for your poetry, it would be a cake with dazzling structures made from fondant frosting. Impressive in a technical aspect, yet not something fit for human consumption.
+
+I'm suspending your poetic license effective immediately until you read some remedial Shakespeare.
+--- 21923384
+>>21923078
+Good critique and good analogy.
+I couldn’t help but think of an 80’s shredder like Malmsteen or Vai; lots of technical wankery, especially later on in their career.

lit/21914448.txt

@@ -289,3 +289,102 @@ If you keep her self-esteem low and she's good looking she's going to get raped.
 Women are a mirror. They just show you yourself.
 --- 21921627
 thoughts on The Rational Male?
+--- 21923127
+>>21918366
+CAM'ON FAGGOT, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF!
+--- 21923150
+>>21914448 (OP)
+What makes you think you'll be happy in a relationship based on manipulation rather than genuine mutual appreciation? Unless you're some kind of sociopath, I guess.
+--- 21923156
+>>21917705
+I don't know if he loved her. I suspect she made that up. He proposed to a lot of women he didn't have strong feelings for. I think the woman he truly admired was Cosima, though he of course had no expectation or ambition of having her, until the end when he went "crazy"
+--- 21923167
+>>21923150
+it doesn't make any difference to the woman. they fell in love with manipulators all the time, and marry them.
+--- 21923174
+>>21923167
+Unfortunately, many do. I'm asking whether YOU'LL actually be happy that way, knowing that your relationship is based on manipulation, unless you're some kind of sociopath.
+--- 21923190
+>>21921010
+Where did he write that?
+--- 21923201
+>>21923174
+I'm not a "sociopath", if I were one I wouldn't be needing help from books. I simply want to understand that side of female psychology so I can attract the women I like and have control over the relationship.
+--- 21923203
+>>21917647
+welcome to the club, gigachad
+--- 21923212
+>>21923201
+Try reading some feminist theory.
+--- 21923213
+>>21923212
+how would that even help?
+--- 21923221
+>>21923213
+Understand the social relations that prevail between men as a class and women as a class.
+--- 21923235
+>>21923221
+Sounds too abstract, like taking 10 steps behind from what I actually want.
+--- 21923237
+>>21914448 (OP)
+Why bother
+
+I got one trick for you to get laid as much as you want easily and get any woman no matter how attractive
+
+Just be yourself
+
+There u go. Ur authentic, ur confident, now you have pussy and you realize it doesn't matter
+
+Also books and reading are for absolute queers
+--- 21923242
+>>21914448 (OP)
+sociopaths dont write books. Sorry
+
+>>21914468
+dumbass, it is a totally doable skill. I dont bother cause women are worthless.
+
+>>21914529
+managing your appearance is part of being manipulative. You need to commit to the role
+
+>>21914535
+>>21914541
+You can be taught how to do it, you cant be taught how to enjoy it.
+--- 21923246
+>>21923237
+terrific bait
+--- 21923248
+>>21923221
+Men and women aren't classes. Read fucking Engels. The reproduction of every day life is the reproduction of labour power and thus work in the full capitalist sense, the ideology arising from these material relations conditions the apparent social relations between men and women.
+--- 21923249
+>>21923235
+I assure you it's very relevant. Women live this stuff every day, the least you can do to understand them is understand it.
+--- 21923260
+>>21917360
+Look at me! I said the thing online!
+--- 21923265
+>>21923246
+>bait
+>he doesn't know
+Just be urself is honestly the best advice any man can give or receive
+
+There is literally no more instantly applicable advice that can change someone's life for the better. Get comfortable in ur own skin, obtain rizz, and get bitches
+--- 21923267
+>>21923190
+His latest book
+--- 21923274
+>>21923265
+you're basically telling him to be confident, not to be himself. if he was already confident he wouldn't need help, genius.
+--- 21923290
+>>21923274
+U can't be truly confident without being urself
+
+He needs to just be
+(Himself)
+--- 21923291
+>>21917724
+Why not just have kids with a dozen women?
+--- 21923400
+>>21923274
+How many underage anons are on this board? Or does not having sex stunt one's development this much?
+--- 21923433
+Any recommended cope reading for a 30 year old incel like me?

lit/21915512.txt

@@ -150,3 +150,22 @@ Retroactively unread
 >think that AI is inevitably going to consume the world in a terrifying cosmic horror scenario... and that's a good thing!
 >moves to China and starts a family
 What did he mean by this?
+--- 21922975
+>>21915512 (OP)
+I am starting to feel Nick Land.
+He is cutting under my obscurely banal 90s blade.
+He feels it.
+My penis feels his flesh peel from the bone.
+He enjoys it.
+He publishes a conference paper on how a sharpened penis critiques his ontology.
+The penis is a knife.
+I feed you Korean Style Grilled Land.
+--- 21923344
+>>21915512 (OP)
+ulysses carriere
+--- 21923356
+>>21917746
+Based
+--- 21923442
+>>21919867
+literally who

lit/21915525.txt

@@ -278,3 +278,5 @@ He posted again
 Yes
 YES 
 OP bumped his own thread
+--- 21922617
+That's legit a pretty good poem. Raw emotion. Vivid imagery.

lit/21915857.txt

@@ -100,9 +100,6 @@ I'm an arab muslim.
 --- 21915997
 >>21915857 (OP)
 the entire 3rd reich leadership was lit bros who just had enough of the Jews bullshit
---- 21916004
->>21915911
-Genociding the kikes is a virtue for all mankind. It instantly makes everyone on the planet's life better
 --- 21916010
 >>21915987
 >I'm an arab muslim.
@@ -469,3 +466,31 @@ It reveals his mindset - that he gloats in that having happened.
 --- 21921632
 >>21915863
 what a guy
+--- 21922395
+>>21915857 (OP)
+He didnt have to waste all those lolis and nice shota though. Dick move, even for an ratlike evil nazi chud.
+--- 21922453
+>>21919311
+>>21919308
+He is an obvious Jew, many such cases
+--- 21922463
+>>21922453
+He always gave me that vibe, but I would not have bet my life on it. If he really were a Muslim then he should have had some inside track story for how his particular splinter of Islam loves ''Jews''. People of truly unusual perspective usually have an acute relationship with important material facts to which only there specific group is privy. He brought none of that - just bad vibes.
+--- 21922499
+Two of my favorite Nazi
+--- 21922532
+Yeah, the wrong side has lost indeed...
+--- 21922639
+>>21922499
+It was such a tragedy that Rudolf Heß could not grasp the nature of the war such that he falsely imagined that there was a possibility of a peace with Britain.
+--- 21922969
+>>21917202
+I think it's a shock strategy to provoke some sort of quasi fascist uprising (all controlled of course) by flooding all sorts of psychotic left wing idpol stuff into the culture and discourse over a relatively short period of time.
+
+That's why you've got guys like George Soros going from being a Nazi officer to being a US anticommunist operative in Eastern Europe, to now being a 'cultural Marxist' Jewish guy who just really loves BLM. It doesn't make sense unless you consider the possibility that this is all directed towards provoking a backlash. Maybe the imperialist faction wasn't able to hype up white Americans enough after 9/11, so now they're destroying the pillars of western society in retaliation. I hate all of them. Our whole ruling class can go to hell, and for all the shit incels talk on 4chan those somolian immigrants on welfare with twelve kids are far more decent and down to earth than some "based" white guy with an American flag snapback and raised truck. It's all so fucking stupid.
+--- 21923425
+>>21922969
+>somolian immigrants on welfare with twelve kids are far more decent and down to earth than some "based" white guy with an American flag snapback and raised truck
+
+
+Somalians are only capable of creating Somalia, Amerimutt consoomer creates America, both are not based, for their own separate reasons causing destruction of body and mind alike. Tribal hellhole or shartmart panopticon are not good options for sane and civilized people, even though kikes are trying to sell them as such.

lit/21915958.txt

@@ -46,3 +46,6 @@ Yeah it's called Eleatic metaphysics. There's no need to sift through subpar med
 --- 21921472
 >>21921467
 How does Eleatic metaphysics do it?
+--- 21922470
+>>21921472
+In the Eleatic account, reality is one perfect whole. Whatever way you describe or categorise it, it's ultimately one unified, perfect thing, "Being", that subsumes all of us and everything we might mention.

lit/21916207.txt

@@ -103,3 +103,9 @@ maybe. i wasnt going to read a bunch of classic knight errant literature before
 >>21916667
 >didn't watch a brain dead retard explain the book to him 
 Ngmi, obviously you didn't start with the YouTube vids about the Greeks
+--- 21922630
+>>21921572
+You fucking idiot, you're supposed to take it lightly. Stop taking things so seriously, even if Cervantes was making a point and criticising things, he wasn't trying to be a hardass about it.
+--- 21922679
+>>21916207 (OP)
+It's "the first novel" in the same way that the first microwave is the first microwave.

lit/21916276.txt

@@ -160,3 +160,10 @@ Repeat It Today with Tears by Anne Peile (F/D)
 Ancient Tillage by Raduan Nassar (B/S)
 >>21919759
 I included the relationship types in this updated list. There's a few F/D
+--- 21922362
+>>21919754
+>>21921816
+
+>nearly none of these are smutty garbage.
+
+Ok, which ones are really vile, so I can avoid reading them, thus preserving my almost childish innocence intact.

lit/21917252.txt

@@ -205,3 +205,15 @@ Not all people who go to near death have an NDE of the kind you're talking about
 --- 21921658
 >>21917252 (OP)
 quite literally all literature
+--- 21922486
+>>21917252 (OP)
+The Bible
+--- 21922511
+>>21918552
+If you sign up for cryonics and get vitrified after you die, there's a chance you will be resurrected in the future and get to become an immortal being.
+
+Here's a calculator you can use to estimate the odds of cryonics working:
+https://www.cryonicscalculator.com/
+--- 21922555
+>>21921266
+Try Seneca's On the Shortness of Life

lit/21917688.txt

@@ -769,3 +769,188 @@ Just get over it already. It was named by Russians.
 --- 21922284
 >>21922041
 Examples?
+--- 21922308
+>>21922191
+Ergodic
+--- 21922315
+Never read Banks, is this book a good start?
+--- 21922344
+>>21922255
+Shadowrun
+
+Elemental dragons are hard gay. Earth dragons are just giant lizards, shadow and air dragons are anemic faggots, poison dragon is an earth 'dragon' with the gum disease gingivitis, ice dragon makes no fucking sense, electric dragon is kinda based like Freddy Mercury but still dies of AIDS at the end.
+--- 21922385
+>>21922264
+I'm over it, I'm not going to try to change it, I'm just curious of the logic behind the genre name. Why are you so defensive about it?
+--- 21922386
+It's time to read Malazan. And if you have, it's time to re-read Malazan.
+--- 21922416
+>>21919575
+>As a someone who hasn't read Malazan
+stopped reading here
+--- 21922652
+>>21922012
+Legit an interesting concept, if vampires are actually the good guys and work as agents of humanity and only survive on their charity to help protect them from other shit
+--- 21922654
+>>21922386
+I want to but I don't have time????
+--- 21922660
+Classic fantasy where the protagonist contemplates being an hero?
+--- 21922689
+>>21922386
+I have em all sidelined on my eReader but I gotta finish my asoiaf reread first
+--- 21922784
+>>21921856
+>lightlark
+it's shit, but props to the author for taking advantage of the social to actually sell the damn thing
+--- 21922824
+>>21922784
+I only know about it because I got really high and watched that 7 hour long video on it by krimsonrogue in one sitting bc it kept popping up in my recommended
+--- 21922844
+>>21922386
+the subterranean press copies are beautiful
+--- 21922845
+>>21921732
+i don't understand why you're being a nigger. did i offend you in some way or are you just retarded? i meant that the quiet part was the nonchalant contempt for the readers. i'm sure you understood that very well, so why are you pretending to be retarded just to start a fight?
+--- 21922859
+Okay I finally read the review and I actually didn't like the post-story content. I liked the Culture vs. Idiran info dump which I thought should have been placed far earlier, but whatever; the "what happened to everyone" bit felt cheap. Also check this one out.
+
+I liked Unaha-Closp and the way he was written as a sentient, rights-having machine.
+--- 21922890
+>>21922844
+>that dust of dreams cover
+much better than the dinosaur cover
+who is that supposed to be in the crippled god cover?
+--- 21922901
+>>21921907
+rule 34 xxx
+tags
+werewolf
+vampire
+--- 21922947
+>>21922859
+Different anons like different things. I don't think your spoiler is that uncommon though. He was definitely one of the best characters.
+--- 21922968
+Do you guys like anything by Anne MacCaffrey?
+--- 21922987
+>>21922844
+Who's on the memories of ice cover and the crippled god cover?
+--- 21922994
+>>21922987
+>memories of ice
+Pannion Seer
+
+>crippled god
+not too sure. havent gotten there yet.
+--- 21922995
+>>21922987
+>>21922890
+Idk who thats meant to be, can't be rake but I can't think who else prominent had white hair
+Topper? Can't be him tho
+--- 21923002
+>>21922844
+Is that toc on reapers gale?
+--- 21923007
+>>21923002
+yes thats toc
+--- 21923032
+>>21919482
+Big scenes where cool stuff happens is why I fell in love with Malazan. (I.e. Siege of Pale, Coltaine's chain etc.)
+--- 21923067
+>guy in crippled god cover still unknown
+
+Hello?????????
+--- 21923081
+>>21923067
+it's a female at the stand of lightfall. likely to be Yan Tovis
+--- 21923092
+Is Gardens of the moon actually as hard to get into as I've heard people make it out to be?
+--- 21923093
+>>21923081
+Yedan is one of my favorite characters of the whole series and I'm not even a gay
+Man is based as fuck
+--- 21923116
+>>21923092
+Not at all. Here's a video I share that possible new malazan readers should listen to. For background, this guy is Erikson and Esslemont's developmental editor since 2006. It should ease you into wanting to read the series cause he hits all the popular questions and misconceptions. 
+
+https://youtu.be/3_fr8yMpTvE [Embed]
+--- 21923133
+>>21917688 (OP)
+My favorite wolds in all science fiction are Asimov's Aurora and Solaria. The former is a kind of ideal exurbia, the latter some extreme of fully automated rural socialism in which everyone is apportioned an estate far as the eye can see, 20,000 for a whole planet, the inhabitants of which live for 1000 years or so. When he has Trevize land on both, it's the most magnificent episode in all science fiction.
+--- 21923135
+There really needs to be a blanket ban on female MCs
+--- 21923142
+Anons, I have a question. Do you think fantasy readers would accept a writer who is also a prose stylist? Someone interested in writing complex, dense prose similar to what literary novelists write? Yet, writes in the fantasy genre. Or do you think that sort of prose would be looked down on in favor of commercial prose of the kind Martin, Sanderson, Jordan, and the like write. I am curious.
+--- 21923152
+>>21923142
+I think it's pointless to talk about these things, the work will speak for itself
+--- 21923163
+>>21923092
+Not at all, it's kinda like Dune
+--- 21923216
+>>21918832
+>>21919134
+The troglodytes in this designated thread for the illiterates who can’t even comprehend real literature can’t even come up with something original. How utterly pathetic, but what more would you expect from those who read children’s books?
+--- 21923219
+>>21923142
+Do you want commerical or critical success?
+--- 21923229
+Literally every Dune book, and I mean literally every one
+
+>Atreides main character squats in some cave and spews out 2deep4u monologues about humanity n shiet
+>cartoony villians from this weeks Planet Asshole are planning a scooby doo-tier assassination plot
+>it succeeds because jokes on you, the Atreides WANTED to die
+--- 21923275
+>>21923219
+I was not talking about myself. I just wondered, say, if you had someone writing on Faulkner's level, or Fitzgerald, and they wanted to write Fantasy, would they sell or be welcome. Or are they looking for people who write commercial prose.
+--- 21923295
+>>21923142
+Read Titus Groan right now, anon.
+--- 21923300
+>>21917749
+I wish there was a website like novelupdates or *booru for western books. Searching by tags would be very helpful.
+--- 21923307
+>>21919681
+>t.doesn't enjoy walking in the countryside 
+Grim. The lackadaisical pace of the hobbits is intentional, both in plot and tone (to contrast their later journey, and because walking through the rosy english countryside is kino).
+--- 21923309
+>>21923142
+Fantasy is such a wide genre that you will frequently find opposing opinions. Getting hate for the style of prose is almost guaranteed, but it also won't matter much. Some people who read fantasy read machine translated texts. They consider it to be good enough, because they want to know what happens in the story.
+tl;dr the story and characters matter more than the prose
+--- 21923325
+>>21923300
+Shelves are tags.
+https://www.goodreads.com/genres/
+Put whatever after genre.
+--- 21923347
+>>21923325
+It's nowhere close to the same thing. The tags I'm talking about describe elements of the story. Eg a wimpy protagonist or a strong protagonist.
+--- 21923348
+>>21921967
+--- 21923359
+>>21921967
+But Anon, I am writing a book about vampire hunters.
+--- 21923361
+>>21922844
+Huh, they really look nice. Can you even buy copies like these anymore or are they out of print?
+--- 21923362
+>>21923359
+you should make the vampire hunter have a vampire lover
+--- 21923367
+>>21923309
+Alright, I think I understand. It’s just sometimes so strange that you never see people as talented as, say, Pynchon is with prose writing genre fiction.
+--- 21923371
+>>21923362
+The premise is that it's one family adding firsthand accounts to the same book over several centuries, while simultaneously creating encyclopedic entries about various types of species of vampires they encounter and how to best thwart them. Eventually one of the guys gets it in his head after reading some stories from one of his predecessors that the only way they can solve their main problem is to make dhampirs. This does not work out and leads to a sort of... Frankenstein's monster, or Grendel situation, and a lot of very angry anti-vampire purists.
+--- 21923379
+>>21923295
+Alright I will
+--- 21923436
+>>21923142
+>>21923295
+>>21923379
+excellent example in response to anon's question because titus groan does things like spend 10 pages describing the "hilarious" and wacky slapstick antics of kitchen staff
+only a great appreciator of prose could possibly bear excrutiatingly dull subject matter like that
+--- 21923440
+>>21919575
+>t. Bakkerfag

lit/21917939.txt

@@ -74,3 +74,20 @@ I like mythology and geneañlogy. I do not need to know how god wants his chair
 >*: Yeah I have no clue what the fuck is going on here.
 --- 21921606
 You would think a book that's discussed every day here, a book that regularly makes top ten during the annual vote here, would generate more discussion.
+--- 21922364
+>>21921606
+Genesis is pretty free of the usual christlarping and requires a bit of commentary to point out how much is going on. It also has 3 books of pure filter. It filters a lot of anons. And no one has come out with some effortposting and led the discussion.
+--- 21922760
+>>21922364
+>And no one has come out with some effortposting and led the discussion.
+Discussion Topic:
+
+In a Battle Royale between all human characters in Genesis, given each is provided with their own weapon of choice, who would be the victor?
+Note: Cain is pre curse
+--- 21922827
+Can you guys hurry up and get to the best book already? (Isaiah)
+--- 21923337
+Thank you to the anons who shilled his commentary. It's been incredibly insightful getting a glimpse of the textual devices at play. I was also surprised but how many of the verses were copied improperly or simply can't be translated because the meaning of the Hebrew is lost
+--- 21923340
+>>21923337
+the fella in question

lit/21917983.txt

@@ -192,3 +192,33 @@ NLT Bible
 --- 21922156
 >>21919996
 parce, Maestro, nadie va a leer esa mierda
+--- 21922343
+>>21918412
+It's an AI generated image of an Aryan Buddha.
+--- 21922607
+The Path to Nibbana
+Tantra Illuminated
+Sex, Ecology, Spirituality 
+LUnivers, les Dieux, les Homme by Vernant Jean-Pierre
+Nourishing Traditions
+--- 21922898
+>>21918410
+Nice bait
+--- 21923035
+>>21917983 (OP)
+Mahabharata
+Principle Upanishads 
+Starting Strengths 
+DhanurVedam
+Adhyamata Ramayana
+--- 21923080
+>Also, feel free to post a different pic with it's own list and ask for the anons opinions.
+Pic related:
+Divine Comedy - Dante
+History of art by H.W. Janson
+The Escoffier Cookbook and Guide to the Fine Art of Cookery
+Influence : The Psychology of Persuasion
+De Umbris Idearum: On the Shadows of Ideas - Giordano Bruno
+--- 21923446
+>>21922898
+Nah, it likes variety, the joke could be done with 1~2 books of his and still have space for more bait to be put in the post.

lit/21917984.txt

@@ -112,3 +112,13 @@ Nazi, tranny and Marxist?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK-7nkJ38wY [Embed]
 
 “Indeed, my exalted friend, I too have often had serious thoughts about my ‘Parzival’. It will be the pinnacle of all my achievements. How sweetly familiar is the feeling that overcomes me when I think that you yourself share directly in the knowledge of this profound secret, that you are its co-creator! It is as though I am inspired to write this work in order to preserve the world’s profoundest secret, the truest Christian faith, nay, to awaken that faith anew. And for the sake of this immense task that it is reserved for me to accomplish, I have felt obliged to use my Nibelung drama to build a Castle of the Grail devoted to art, far removed from the common byways of human activity: for only there, in Monsalvat, can the longed-for deed be revealed to the people, to those who are initiated into its rites, not in those places where God may not show Himself beside the idols of day without His being blasphemed. Thus, my glorious King, do I proclaim the thoughts that I cherish for our ‘Parzival’! – “
+--- 21922638
+>>21917984 (OP)
+I’m really keen on Rienzi but the objective answer is Tristan
+--- 21923120
+>>21920277
+>Shakespearian DRAMAS set to Beethovenian MUSIC
+
+Not to be pedantic, but Wagner admired and studied Shakespeare a great deal but his dramas are very different from Shakespeare's. Beethoven--well you could say Wagner picked up where Beethoven left off but Wagner's music is very original so it seems wrong to call his Music "Beethovenian"
+--- 21923130
+I think Parsifal and Tristan. But for personal reasons I haven't listed to Tristan in a long time, but I remember how powerful it can be.

lit/21918384.txt

@@ -99,3 +99,10 @@ I edit Wiktionary too, so I see it first-hand. Most of my contribs are simply re
 >>21921271
 >Nobody sensible is freaking out over a color as a synechdoche being capitalized.
 Try capitalising "White" and see the people capitalising "Black" freaking out.
+--- 21923368
+>>21918384 (OP)
+
+why do you need to purchase a dictionary? pirate one
+--- 21923419
+>>21923368
+see >>21921058

lit/21918424.txt

@@ -270,3 +270,17 @@ So when you guys wake up. What is the penultimate contemporary French novel that
 >>21919570
 >>21919574
 This is pasta
+--- 21922392
+What are some translations on gutenberg that are ok to read?
+I'm looking at Maupassant atm
+--- 21923381
+>>21922392
+Maupassant is a wise choice for beginners. The style is enjoyable yet simple, vocabulary isn't too fancy but efficient, he uses facts over psychology to describe his characters. I do believe that Maupassant might be the best one out there for reading in French without having to check the dictionary every sentence. "Boule de suif", his first novel, is a short satire that should float your boat, even though bel-ami is his best work imo. 
+For modern times, Camus's stranger is a must-read for sure. I would also recommend some philosophical tales like "le petit prince" by Antoine de Saint Exupéry, and "Candide ou l'optimisme" by Voltaire which displays a hilarious parody of Leibniz's metaphysic. 
+You should avoid writers such as Hugo, Flaubert, Balzac (except for certain of his novels, usually shorter), Zola, Proust because of their endless descriptions and overcomplicated prose. They will disgust you from French lit in spite of their undeniable talent.
+--- 21923452
+>>21923381
+Alright thanks
+I meant translations into English but I was looking at Maupassant's original texts and it made me want to start learning French again
+I like stories about wars and soldiers 
+I also like endless descriptions

lit/21918501.txt

@@ -131,3 +131,21 @@ My mom was a fan but she never pushed the books on me.
 If I wanted to watch the movies of anything that was based on a book, I had to read the book first, no matter what it was. So I did and it grew on me. I wouldn't call myself a fan, but if my kids ever ask me to read/buy it for them, I won't refuse them.
 --- 21921563
 I'm going to read them one chapter per night until we're done. I don't care if it's low art, I don't care if it supposedly is pozzed, it's the supreme comfy entertainment from my childhood, and I'd like my kids to have that in their lives too.
+--- 21922302
+>>21918501 (OP)
+
+
+JoKer Rofling may have wrote the first book
+but what ghost writers wrote the other books?
+--- 21922359
+>>21919590
+Yeah, no. My kids will be read lots of picture books and then it's up to them.
+--- 21922447
+>>21922302
+Considering that it got bought by Scholastic (the guys behind Goosebumps and a few other choose your own adventure books) and that it got bought by WB shortly after; this shit was writen by the hack troon writers currently working at DC.
+--- 21922805
+>>21919983
+Oh no, not a world filled with magic and wonder teaching a child to be curious and discover their own path, to see past wealth and status, and overcome adversity by placing trust in quality people. The child might as well be boofing fentanyl.
+--- 21922888
+>>21922805
+How will hp haters ever recover

lit/21918521.txt

@@ -49,3 +49,21 @@ I like how you didn't specify the gender of your dates.
 --- 21921069
 >>21919695
 you are making it up though
+--- 21922292
+>>21920722
+>no Degrelle
+Disappointing.
+--- 21922677
+>>21918521 (OP)
+I ordered some books from antelope hill and keep them on the basement bookshelf, took the covers off so mom doesn't notice.
+--- 21922687
+>>21918525
+Correction, the Christians just think you're a humongous retard. Lol. Nobody likes a retarded pseud.
+--- 21923083
+I live close to a college town and I've fucked a lot of sluts from that go there and I have a fascist flag on the wall and Trump gear displayed and RW literature but none of them have ever said anything. Women don't have any actual convictions, they let you do it when you're chad
+--- 21923134
+>>21920722
+Chudelope Hill spotted and noted
+--- 21923146
+>>21918521 (OP)
+Hoes? What hoes?

lit/21918725.txt

@@ -651,3 +651,22 @@ Nigga I ain’t one to gatekeep but you’re in the wrong place
 --- 21922219
 >>21918725 (OP)
 >absolute nonexistence exists
+--- 21922289
+>>21921590
+>It's conceptually separate from God, a MUCH earlier concept of the totality of everything. Undermining understanding of what people were talking about through history is disingenuous and dishonest.
+"God", in it's modern usage, carries the implication of personhood, which "the universe" does not. Quite a significant difference, and the very point of contention. There is no good reason to assume personhood, agency, or anything of the sort, despite how ever much you wish it to be so.
+--- 21922305
+>>21921616
+>That other people have a subjective experience. The validity of the concept of proof.
+I can infer this to be true, as Hume suggests. My perception is evidenced to me beyond doubt. My perception is directed outward. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume there is "something" out, beyond my perception. From this point, I can accept evidence of my perception to conclude that, more likely than not, other's subjective experience shares certain qualities with mine. Of course, any specific subjective experience of another which is relayed to me could be a lie, and thus I must take other evidence into account when choosing to believe it to be true or false.
+>I see the fucking mountain
+You see God? Are you confirming to the thread that you are schizophrenic?
+>Aristotle
+He did not "logically show that God exists". His formulation relies on the idea that the principles of cause and effect exist prior to the existence of time, a contradiction in itself. You can't have an originator of time which existed in a time prior to time existing. It refutes itself.
+--- 21922311
+>>21921513
+>Can't believe there is... anyone that can't see this
+I think that it is all miscommunication because the assertions were never communicated clearly enough in the original postulation. I think that there is room for a rewording of it on which all objective theists and atheists could agree. As it stands, it requires some assumptions and some of the words are weighted such that they offend subjective minds. He should have done a better job of making it more neutral. Of course, up the thread, someone indicated that it was drafted for a specific audience. That really changes a lot.
+--- 21922328
+>>21922172
+Well, it was not summarized fairly, and that was plainly demonstrated once I posted the source text. Maybe you are in the wrong place. There are lots of places where you can go argue about source text without having actually read it. Go strawman elsewhere.

lit/21919022.txt

@@ -52,3 +52,15 @@ You've fucking sold it to me. I didn't know gigachad wrote historical biographie
 --- 21921650
 >>21920907
 It's a great book anon, enjoy :)
+--- 21922406
+>>21919022 (OP)
+Based strictly Anglophone reader! I'm the same way, have no time for gobbledygook names that all run together and which mean nothing. There's nothing like names from the old country, noope.
+--- 21922629
+>>21919022 (OP)
+El cringe
+--- 21922826
+>>21920844
+Fucking based.
+--- 21922839
+>>21920358
+If you're interested in Military History then the Campaigns of Napoleon by David G. Chandler is the best although the biographical details are more sparse

lit/21919054.txt

@@ -144,3 +144,15 @@ That's not a comma splice, it's just an unnecessary comma. What I just did was a
 --- 21922232
 >>21922214
 What book is this? Looks like schizo shit.
+--- 21922301
+>>21922232
+Infinite Jest (p. 129)
+--- 21922325
+>>21922214
+Is this supposed to resemble the thought process of a junkie having a psychosis?
+--- 21922373
+>>21919054 (OP)
+Toll status: paid, neovagina: dilated, Ukraine: glorified.
+--- 21922748
+>>21919162
+Under-rated post

lit/21919062.txt

@@ -40,3 +40,5 @@ You also need to have read Jung. Otherwise it will make no sense whatsoever.
 --- 21921991
 >>21919062 (OP)
 Steppenwolf is his best but you can read Siddhartha in a couple hours
+--- 21922341
+just finished reading steppenwolf. i guess i'm too young or tooimmature to grasp it, maybe

lit/21919232.txt

@@ -98,3 +98,50 @@ My favourite part was when she and her friend got food poisining and there's a v
 --- 21921974
 >>21919232 (OP)
 Lots of sad girls these days. Personally, I think of it as a better version of Catcher in the Rye. Also it does a good job of highlighting the nonsensical stuff women do, like putting out for guys they don’t actually like, and getting assblasted when guys they’ve been dismissive of go for other girls. Women basically live in a maelstrom of emotional chaos that they themselves cause while also being wholly ignorant of their role in causing it. This book describes such a case quite well. a quality book.
+--- 21923220
+>>21921730
+>by how she treated her male suitor
+how tall are you anon?
+--- 21923256
+>>21919295
+fpbp
+--- 21923259
+>>21923220
+not an argument
+--- 21923266
+>>21921974
+i had food poisoning once and the shivering is insane
+--- 21923268
+>>21923259
+Manlet alert
+--- 21923273
+>>21923268
+not an argument
+--- 21923280
+>>21923273
+Man
+Let
+--- 21923282
+>>21923280
+not an argument
+--- 21923294
+>>21919295
+Biggest oof.
+--- 21923303
+>>21921700
+Big shock coming from /lit/. A girl at my uni recommended it to me; so I'm thinking about picking it up. What made it worth it to read for you?
+--- 21923305
+>>21923303
+Use a semicolon between closely related independent clauses which are not joined by a coordinating conjunction. This rule means that semicolons are used between two complete sentences which are not already linked by words like and, but, or, nor, for, so, yet.
+--- 21923310
+>>21923305
+Didnt ask..?.'
+--- 21923314
+>>21923310
+Don’t care
+--- 21923322
+>>21923314
+Based I don't care poster. May you be blessed with massive digits on your next effortpost.
+--- 21923331
+>>21923322
+k

lit/21919299.txt

@@ -150,3 +150,17 @@ Wagiecuck
 --- 21922039
 >>21920391
 black sun?
+--- 21922367
+>>21922039
+Idk
+--- 21922378
+Life sucks if you make it to 30 and you’ve fallen severely behind, wasted time, or generally failed to live up to what you want. So make it happen or you’ll regret it.
+--- 21922407
+>>21919299 (OP)
+>Now I dont have the time at all
+pathetic lie in order to not have to do anything. why even ask this question if you dont really want to read? 
+>>21920149
+Heil Hitler.
+--- 21922494
+>>21919299 (OP)
+Why is your rodent a neonazi?

lit/21919323.txt

@@ -67,3 +67,18 @@ We have the same name but ur last name is weird
 explain how a book becomes obsolete
 --- 21921570
 Read Murnane.
+--- 21922814
+>>21919711
+
+read Lincoln in the Bardo. also who gives a shit if they're depressing? thinking that's a reason a story is bad is like thinking a story is bad because a character is unlikeable. also if you read his work closely you'll realize that it's actually kind of uplifting, since it's often about downtrodden people with fucked up lives managing to do something morally "heroic" or self-sacrificing despite their situation. I find his work extremely moving
+--- 21922823
+>>21922814
+>>21921427
+
+however I do agree that the most recent collection had some really poor moments. the love letter story for example reads like it was written by a journalist for the Atlantic with a terminal case of TDS. it really is absolute dogshit. but Ghoul and the eponymous story are two of his best
+--- 21922872
+>>21919439
+It’s just the same general, unjustified sense of superiority that each young generation feels toward its predecessors. By “relevant” he means writing by someone who grew up in our glorious age of obesity, hardcore internet pornography, and iPads, so obviously better than any previous age.
+--- 21922897
+>>21919323 (OP)
+I read modern books when I started reading but eventually found out that a lot of them were just mediocre. So instead of going through 100 modern books to find 2 or 3 great ones I chose to read a lot of certified great old stuff. Out of 100 old things 20 to 30 are great and the rest are at least valuable to understand the time they were written in and also later authors who read and liked these old books.

lit/21919791.txt

@@ -30,3 +30,16 @@ He's literally me
 --- 21921903
 >>21920471
 no, he's me
+--- 21922831
+>>21919957
+/r9k/ is the only board on 4chan with an easily viable female presence and multiple egirls. Just saying.
+--- 21922896
+>>21919791 (OP)
+The sick man wants to convince himself that he's a magnanimous person, someone who is truly great on the inside even though society doesn't recognize him. He wants to play a role that is pleasing to his damaged ego. The way he goes about this is to seek out someone he considers lower than himself and to condescendingly and self-righteously admonish her, portraying himself as a noble knight in shining armour there to rescue her from the depravity. He attempts to elevate himself in his own mind by towering over someone weak and helpless. When she against his expectations actually shows up the entire illusion is torn to shreds, their roles are in a sense reversed. He is revealed to be the pitiful slimy little creature he fears and loathes so much, his speeches nothing but self-serving lies, he is incapable of helping others or take action. He becomes lower than the whore, she at least has the conscience and the heart to attempt to break free, to entrust herself to a helping hand. He is stuck fast in complete darkness.
+--- 21922903
+He's literally me.
+--- 21923369
+What's Dostoevsky's beef with whores? He always features whores and he never writes them convincingly. Anyone who's spent any sort of time around (european) whores know they are ice-cold and hardened souls without a shred of innocence or heart left. Compare the angelic dosto whore to chekhovs grounded real life whores and you'll immediately understand what I mean.
+--- 21923424
+>>21923369
+-> >>21919801

lit/21920011.txt

@@ -280,3 +280,109 @@ Hello shill
 Projection as always
 --- 21921956
 >>least deranged incel.
+--- 21922299
+TRULY a bleak reading
+--- 21922357
+> I remember Rose getting out of the car and sweetly saying
+"good night‟ to me in the same way someone might say :thanks for a wonderful evening‟. She actually made
+eye contact, and there was a tone in her voice that suggested she might have enjoyed our automobile excursion
+more than she thought she would. I‟m not implying that this young girl wanted me to ask her out, but there was
+definitely a moment between us. But I‟m sure that‟s all it was. I would eventually see her again in school, but
+the car ride was long behind her. Besides, my sights were still set on Carrie.
+you just made me read a 50 year old mans hyper analysis of what a little girl said to him 35 years ago. Men are pathetic. get a passion.
+--- 21922372
+>>21922357
+If you go on /r9k/ you see this stuff all the time
+They look back on their teen years and imagine all of these opportunities they had which they failed to get because they were too shy or stupid
+--- 21922390
+>>21922357
+>get a passion.
+that guy's passion was acting though. like half the story is him creeping on chicks from the d.c. acting scene.
+--- 21922456
+>>21920500
+>but there are still plenty of sensible and long term-thinking women who are seeking romance and marriage.
+Yet a much, much smaller fraction of them are actually waiting for marriage.
+--- 21922461
+you are all retarded. awful
+--- 21922480
+>>21921312
+--- 21922489
+>>21922357
+>Men are pathetic.
+You would know, look in the mirror.
+--- 21922574
+>>21920868
+Not that anon but that's my plan. Deleted online dating apps, now I focus only on being the best man I can be, for my 2-4 teenage brides bought for a reasonable price from whatever third world warzone the NWO happens to be testing their drones in.
+>Noooo but that's not love
+Neither are these western girls. Modern dating is just prostitution with a veneer of social acceptability, and while you can marry a young prostitute of 19 or 20 and still feel it romantic, that's hardly possible with a hooker of 30+ who's looking to "settle down" after having gotten the most bang for her buck, so to speak, over the last decade and a half.
+--- 21922732
+>>21920479
+fuckin same
+--- 21922759
+>>21920345
+internalizing this insane fetishistic self-loathing mindset is a great way to ensure that you will be miserable and unsuccessful with women for your entire life. I sympathize with you somewhat because I've been where you are too, but you have to realize just how deranged and obviously projecting all this is. Act normal, get help, read the bible, find Jesus, etc.
+--- 21922764
+>>21922574
+Imagine needing to hold a green card over a woman's head to be equal partners. The western man sure is pathetic in the current year
+--- 21922800
+If I were a middle-aged virgin I would probably feel bad about it, but I also know that logically, I shouldn’t feel bad about not having sex as an unmarried man no matter what.
+--- 21922862
+>>21922764
+>Green card
+I'd hold her whole passport and any other necessary documents you dumb simp.
+
+>equal partners
+Do any women actually want this? It doesn't seem like it. Most women have no problem going on tinder to find a hot/rich guy who's going to give them an "exciting" one night stand, every date I go on I feel like there's this expectation to perform my masculinity according to the female gaze, and when I don't the women inevitably get bored and leave. If men and women were equal men wouldn't be single at twice the rate of women or killing themselves at four times the rate. I've met more women than I can count who've been in threesomes, and less than a handful of men. There's obviously an imbalance, and it's all the more evident when you're poor (largely because poverty has a clear gender imbalance in this culture with a lot of women in this generation having diversity hire make work jobs while men are underemployed and pushed to the margins of society).
+
+The idea of being equal partners is a cute one, and I'd love for that to have come true, but it hasn't been the case in any of my relationships with women and isn't reflected in the data. So why should I not take whatever advantage I can to leverage a relationship towards my interests? Clearly the 'meet a cute girl the same age as you and build a life together' ideal just isn't happening, but I could still work towards being the Zoomer Jeffry Epstein. Life is about having attainable goals.
+--- 21922868
+>>21921187
+The author died years ago. Faggot
+--- 21922935
+>>21922862
+>I'd hold her whole passport and any other necessary documents you dumb simp.
+Thanks, Machiavelli. Very cool.
+>Do any women actually want this?
+If you don't want this then what the fuck's the point? The goal is to find a partner who values the same things not to find a partner who you can mimic the best.
+>Most women have no problem going on tinder to find a hot/rich guy who's going to give them an "exciting" one night stand,
+This is a larp not based in reality outside of social media. Stop associating with retarded redpill manchildren your brain is rotting.
+>to perform my masculinity
+Bro, what the fuck does that even mean? Masculinity is a set of attributes. Are you pretending to have these attributes to fool the female gaze? You should just be masculine if you are. It's a performance? 
+>and when I don't the women inevitably get bored and leave.
+If there is no show women are bored of your company? Don't you have some sort of personality or something? Who am I kidding, if you did you wouldn't be planning on kidnapping and holding for ransom destitute women of the third world.
+>If men and women were equal men wouldn't be single at twice the rate of women or killing themselves at four times the rate
+You can't possibly be this simple. Do also believe apples and bowling balls are the same because they're both circles? Equal in a relationship does not mean equal across every category, obviously.
+> I've met more women than I can count who've been in threesomes, and less than a handful of men
+Yes, it's much easier to have sex when you're a woman which is why women select for shit outside of sex like an ability to hold a conversation or be able to address the feelings you're having without throwing a temper tantrum because they can get sex whenever they want it. That is true.
+>There's obviously an imbalance
+Obviously, 
+>but it hasn't been the case in any of my relationships with women
+Have you tried to pursue this as a goal?
+>isn't reflected in the data
+What data?
+>So why should I not take whatever advantage I can to leverage a relationship towards my interests
+Self-respect, empathy, and dignity of your partner? What you're describing is getting a pet maid with a passport leash.
+> but I could still work towards being the Zoomer Jeffry Epstein
+That's sad to hear, anon. Good luck tho.
+>Life is about having attainable goals.
+Life's about whatever the fuck you want it to be and you want it to be about "attainable" goals. At least be responsible for the choices you make. Perform some masculinity for yourself instead of the female gaze at least once in a while.
+--- 21923022
+>>21922935
+>Just be yourself by doing what I tell you to do
+What are your relationships with women like anon? I'm genuinely curious. Because everything I've said comes from having genuine interpersonal and sexual relationships with women. It seems like you're projecting a whole lot of virtue and depth onto women that just isn't there and that women themselves never claimed to have. 
+
+There is also a substantial amount of data showing that traditional relationships simply aren't happening, with the average age of marriage now being in the early thirties. By the standards of any traditional society western dating standards is essentially low level prostitution (and lots of women in the current year are involved in full on prostitution through seeking arrangements and sugar daddies, at least that's what I've gathered from various fuckbuddies and female friends). Now you can criticize me, but having a pet maid with a leash is hardly less dignified than marrying an ex-prostitute who's hit the wall. It seems like you think men should be held to certain western standards of what a "traditional relationship" entails, despite not actually experiencing those relationships. In lots of cultures its normal to simply see a woman you want and abduct her then wait for Stockholm Syndrome to do its thing. This seems to me no less of a valid approach than "falling in love as two equal parts of a completely whole" or whatever the fuck.
+--- 21923063
+Plenty of people used to consciously commit to going without sex. Many boys were sent to monasteries to be monks early in life or to seminaries to be priests, and girls were often nuns from youth (and in pagan societies there were also virgin priestesses). Besides these there were also always incels historically
+
+Sex has become a neurosis. Sex is wonderful but fixation on it is not.
+--- 21923365
+>>21920345
+It is what it is. Better to just move on and focus on art. Exceedingly based post, by the way.
+--- 21923421
+Why is there so much blackpill / incel rhetoric on this board
+
+Kindly fuck off to r9k
+--- 21923450
+>>21922935
+This kind of rhetoric will never have the "desired" effect. You're not talking to some cartoon you're talking to a person hurt or let down(by mothers primarily) by women so many times these delusions preserve their ego and psyche(while also somewhat correctly explaining their experience). Your reaction tells us way more about yourself, since when you see what you think of as a failed man, you kick him down pretending to lecture him. What a pure, concentrated cunt thing to do.

lit/21920054.txt

@@ -126,3 +126,6 @@ One finds a way in this world, but not without meta arteriogenesis.
 --- 21922238
 >>21920159
 Contrary to what most people say, it's not the easiest read. This is mainly because of the way Camus writes. The essay is quite poetic and vague (i.e., you have to read between the lines a lot of the time) and not very straightforward. At least this was my experience, but I could just be an idiot.
+--- 21923131
+>>21922238
+i agree with this 100% though just as easily another idiot

lit/21920063.txt

@@ -122,3 +122,6 @@ Fedora tipping pseud, kys
 >>21922140
 >is have unquestionable faith in Jesus Christ the son of God.
 and we're back to square one
+--- 21922347
+>>21920063 (OP)
+Wow he killed him.

lit/21920117.txt

@@ -227,3 +227,157 @@ Bro just don't make a novel longer than 120k words it's really not that fucking
 --- 21922263
 >>21920117 (OP)
 How do you come up with interesting magic systems that make sense? What are some common mistakes that a lot of people make with their first magic systems?
+--- 21922332
+>>21922263
+The only way to make an interesting magic system is to not it a make a system at all. Ordered magic systems are a game thing, because games need concrete rules so that actions aren't arbitrary. Stories, however, can and should be arbitrary.
+--- 21922429
+>>21922263
+Mine is just super saiyans. Fuck all the rules and shit. The entire point is just to separate a bunch of super warriors from the rest of the citizenry.
+--- 21922449
+>>21922263
+Exposition sucks and your story constantly needs new elements being added to it to remain interesting. There is literally nothing wrong with making shit up as you go along.
+--- 21922454
+>>21922263
+as the other anon said, magic and systems are conceptually opposed. The whole point of magic is that it's spontaneous.
+--- 21922458
+How is everyone's WIP coming along? I just hit Chapter 5. Trying to wrap it up but pulling nails to do so. Anyone else at a brick wall?
+--- 21922468
+>>21922458
+Nice!
+I'm currently editing 2 chapters of third book a day. Fuck editing!
+--- 21922471
+I am currently writing a short story that I will post here im /wg/. I promised it to be posted ere the end of last October, and at the end of the November before. Currently trying to wrangle my attention deficit brain to write.
+--- 21922473
+>>21922458
+I've been editing three paragraphs for 30 mins.
+--- 21922484
+>>21922468
+I keep telling myself that I'll finish my first draft and feel super accomplished, and I'm sure that's true if I do, but I cannot imagine the mountain before me in editing. I have a tough enough time trying not to peel back over chapters and fix them. I wish you well.
+
+>>21922473
+I had a day like that last week and I thought about quitting altogether. You'll hit that stride, anon. If anything, come back to it later. I know it's frustrating, but it did work for me.
+--- 21922493
+>>21920648
+>active verb
+>active
+People are still peddling this bullshit?
+--- 21922502
+>>21921915
+Fine. Keep telegraphing your jealousy.
+Because there’s something about knowing you’re useless that eats away at the human spirit.
+>>21922207
+Why? Other than your own personal tastes?
+--- 21922510
+>>21922473
+It's okay. I've been editing my first page for 2 weeks. Posted it on /wg/, get it shat on, redo it, get it shat on again, redo it, and get it shat on again.
+
+Now I'm on my 1000000th edit/rewrite. I don't want to bother /wg/ again after my last defeat.
+--- 21922517
+>>21922510
+Do it again, pussy
+--- 21922522
+>>21922517
+https://pasteio.com/xFutfPz3uroF
+
+If you insist. Now you can copy/paste and shit on it easier.
+--- 21922530
+>>21922484
+>>21922510
+Thanks anons. I'm intending to submit this piece for publication and perfectionism is starting to paralyze me. I don't know how to get the stick out of my ass
+--- 21922537
+Yay! I earned $5!!!
+--- 21922603
+>>21922522
+
+I'll start with things I liked.
+I think the first sentence is good. It grabs you. I know who the story is about, what the story is about, and what the conflict seems to be. I also think your voice is improving, I lurked the first few drafts of it. Your descriptions, long-winded in certain sections, do conjure up some decent imagery. I like your usage of words. 
+
+Now I will get to the things I would personally improve and share some advice. You can take it or leave it because I am a stranger to you. 
+
+First, you call attention to Adah's eye color.
+There is a time and place for describing character appearance, and I know you're eager to introduce the hero to our dear reader, but putting description, even light description, changes the perception of the character entirely. Where I had been imagining a hard-working knight who was drowning beneath a current of paperwork, I was ripped out by the green eyes bit, personally. It's a striking feature, one that is out of place with the bleakness in the rest of your scene. I'm not saying she can't have green eyes, I'm just saying it's not important right at that moment if I were writing it. The same issue happens toward the end. You jump into a description of Cassandra right after you just divulged a bunch of information on the job titles, the other characters, and the region itself. I feel as though there is so much information here presented at once. It may be better to pad it out and release tidbits of information here and there over the course of your draft.
+
+Take it, leave it, it's your draft. I hope something I said resonates or helps at all.
+--- 21922713
+>>21922603
+Thanks anon. I do appreciate it. I can shove her green eyes later in the chapter. 
+
+To be honest, this chapter wasn't the first chapter originally. The first chapter was originally the second chapter, but people complained they didn't know about the other characters before they died. 
+
+I didn't think their backstory or description was all that important before I offed them. But some earlier readers felt they wanted and needed to care for the other 4 members of the D-2 team before they died. All the reader needed to know Adah was left alone in the middle of the forest with 4 missing people, but the earlier readers insisted on more world building.
+
+This balance is really making me scratch my noggin.
+--- 21922721
+>>21922713
+The simple answer is that different people have different preferences, and you're never going to satisfy everyone.
+--- 21922738
+>>21922537
+Congrats, anon
+--- 21922763
+>>21922473
+>>21922484
+lol I'm in the same spot
+I knocked out my rewrites of my Prologue and Chapter 1 in one week and now Chapter 2 refuses to budge
+--- 21922854
+>>21921668
+
+A fair criticism in some ways. Firstly, I want to say I am absolutely not fluffing for word count. I don't care for the word count at all, I'm writing what I want to write and what I think needs to be said.
+
+Secondly, for your consideration, the info dumps are serving dual purposes in these early chapters. Firstly, they help to fill the space in what would otherwise just be "MC went to the pub" or "MC sat his ass in a wagon". He isn't strong yet, so the chapters can't be filled with fight scenes or anything. So it helps to fill space early where there is little other that realistically CAN be said in the first place while also doubling as world building.
+
+I think you're right about giving the demon lord a name, though. I might back-edit that in.
+
+>Keep in mind it is still better then most of the sites usual fare
+Thank you!
+--- 21922855
+>>21922522
+I've seen your stuff for a while now. You're definitely getting better. Just keep writing and never give up.
+--- 21923005
+We're all gonna make it bros
+--- 21923017
+The dopamine numbers, they just keep going up
+--- 21923030
+>>21923017
+I got the achievement for 50k views today and my ape brain made the happy energy.
+--- 21923036
+>>21923030
+
+>50k views
+>Still only 13 ratings
+
+Do people just not do ratings frequently or what?
+--- 21923038
+>>21922458
+Im at a brick wall. Feels like im waddling through mud. My destination is over there so i have to force myself through it
+--- 21923050
+>>21923036
+I recall a statistic that only about 5% of people who play a game on steam leave reviews, and only 10% of people who use twitter make up over 90% of all posts. Reading is active, but going to actually leave a review or a rating takes the slightest bit of time and people don't bother. I imagine part of it is also because you would just go to your follow list and then right into the next chapter instead of needing to look at the main page. I think that 83 followers with 13 ratings isn't terrible, but I don't know the stats of other stories.
+--- 21923054
+>>21923038
+I've definitely had chapters like that. Most chapters I can start at word one and then make my way to the end. Sometimes fighting every sentence, sometimes smooth as butter. Every now and then I get a chapter where it will just not come out, so I write the scene in the chapter I'm trying to get to and then work backwards writing the scenes that would get there and then I create little bridges connecting them all together. Maybe try that, if you can.
+--- 21923086
+>>21923054
+I think im just a bit burned out from writing so much and forcing my ideas out of my head. Sometimes i feel pressured to finish everything at once because im paranoid i might die in a random car accident or something
+--- 21923144
+>>21920125
+I write at least 2500 words a day, but IMO that's just stupid. Mostly because you are pushing the ideas out at that point. I wrote 8 pages today and hate every single one of them because I felt forced to write them just so I can move the story along. It's mediocre and shit. And the people who champion this notion of 2k words per day tend to be mediocre and shitty writers, their prolific nature doesn't improve your writing. That idea of spending 10,000 hours on a skill to make you a professional only squares if you are learning and improving all the while. Do those guys who have 1 million word long stories on AO3 actually write well? No, of course not. A guy like King (who really pushes this idea) only became famous because he writes edgy things and was very good at marketing himself. Asimov (another guy who wrote something around 3,500 words per day for 30 years) was the very definition of an Ideal Guy but he was writing during a time when publishers were hungry for Science Fiction, and consequently he was extremely successful. But I really do think you just need to look at all the shit writers like myself who can easily hit that mark to know it's a bogus standard.
+--- 21923160
+>>21923144
+I agree, the idea that you need to write X number of words in a day doesn't mean much.
+I edited a chapter of my story and took it down by 400 words. I wrote roughly 4000 words last night, and already that is 10% of my output that ultimately isn't going to see the light of day, I might scrap more before I am done.
+--- 21923262
+do you guys ever workshop queries or should I start a separate thread for that? I've been writing and rewriting my query pitch and it sounds so fucking corny.
+--- 21923263
+I just want people to have enjoyed their time spent reading what I wrote.
+--- 21923298
+>>21923262
+I've never seen it, but then again I don't look at this thread every day. I'm also not going down the route of trying to locate a publisher. The way the book I am writing is constructed sort of puts it outside of what I think any large publisher would touch due to the very high production costs. Consequently, I am going to crowdfund it and spend a disgusting amount of money on promotion to capture the money I need to actually bring it to market. Afterward, presuming I can successfully raise the money, I am going to see about distribution (other than direct market) but that feels like a bit of a meme now that I've seen the stats on sales.
+--- 21923330
+Writing as an ESL is a nightmare.
+I have to constantly doubt myself and the way I form sentences always seems off to me.
+But writing in English is really my only option.
+Over the years of speaking, listening, reading and consuming content all in English, it became more refined than my birth languange, as I didn't have many opportunities to engage with it. Writing in my language also seems cringe (for some reason) and extremely unproductive to me.
+I'm stuck in a language limbo.
+--- 21923443
+I notice I use a lot of "as"-s when describing what is happening in a story...
+Is that a sign of bad writing?

lit/21920268.txt

@@ -58,3 +58,12 @@ Stop acting retarded and give an answer. Google shows stupid normie stuff that I
 --- 21922136
 >I need non fiction
 this glowie/nigga is up for something kek
+--- 21922779
+>>21922083
+You are the one being retarded.
+--- 21922809
+>>21922779
+Ok faggot
+--- 21923065
+>>21920268 (OP)
+Replace the S with N

lit/21920404.txt

@@ -87,3 +87,19 @@ Weird, mine says "/lit/ - Literature"
 --- 21921282
 >>21920604
 Lmao dude go to fucking Walmart and get a rotisserie chicken and some beans or something instead of McDonald’s. It’s much cheaper. There’s a difference between being poor because you’re trying to get through college or support a sick family member and being poor because you’re fucking retarded, which is a large category of poor people.
+--- 21922420
+>>21920404 (OP)
+>latinx folks
+Pic related.
+--- 21922446
+I am a drunk, a loser, a loner. A poet, a rebel, a genius. A legend, a myth, a lie. A nobody. I scribble, I erase, I rewrite. I create. I don’t. 
+
+They fight, they fuck, they cry. They live. I don’t.
+They smile, they nod, they learn. They dream. I don’t.
+I am nothing.
+
+And nothing is everything.
+--- 21922477
+>>21920404 (OP)
+>My neighbors of urban and Latinx descent can be heard screaming through the concrete walls every night.
+Same, but with gypsies and some Arab-Turk spawns. They're slamming doors as we speak. Earlier they were beating meat. It's the dead of night. The only thing keeping me from permanently quieting them is the uselessness of the act. They'll make a great fuss about it on TV but nothing will change as their kind lacks any sort of basic introspection and self-awareness. And I can't even trust others to at least follow suit.

lit/21920562.txt

@@ -86,3 +86,70 @@ I didn't lose my virginity until I was 28, and it only made my life worse. Don't
 --- 21922082
 >>21922065
 Paradise lost ofc
+--- 21922467
+>>21921939
+The Island of Dr. Moreau - H.G. Wells
+--- 21922513
+>>21920666
+The Golovlyov Family
+--- 21922519
+>>21920562 (OP)
+--- 21922785
+>>21920562 (OP)
+--- 21922865
+>>21922785
+the batrachomyomachia
+>>21922472
+the hidden hand or possibly stage land by jerome k. jerome.
+--- 21922878
+>>21920858
+Stanisław Lem - The Futurological Congress
+--- 21922885
+>>21920562 (OP)
+Kino.
+--- 21922916
+>>21922874
+Gravity's Rainbow
+>>21922519
+Genealogy of Morals
+>>21922025
+Libra
+--- 21922934
+>>21920666
+The Bell Jar
+--- 21922938
+>>21922033
+Man in the High Castle
+--- 21922943
+>>21922874
+The Secret Swinger
+--- 21922991
+>>21920629
+Book of Genesis
+--- 21922999
+>>21920594
+Heidegger Being and Time
+--- 21923006
+Preferably not Dostoevsky.
+
+>>21921957
+I can't speak to this being good writing or anything but castaways by alvar nunez is a good true story.
+If you are ok with non conquistador try king Arthur and his knights of the round table. 
+
+>>21920858
+120 days of Sodom, although I'm a bit hesitant to recommend this honestly. Doctor Zhivago is also a good one I think.
+--- 21923011
+>>21922999
+Nehemiah. It is basically the programming socks book of the OT.
+--- 21923014
+>>21922999
+Nice digits. The Golden Bough. Barring that - From Ritual to Romance.
+--- 21923015
+>>21920637
+Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines by Rene Guenon
+--- 21923021
+>>21923015
+The White Rainbow
+--- 21923026
+>>21923021
+The white rainbow by who? I looked it up and there's multiple people who have authored a book with that title.

lit/21920565.txt

@@ -139,3 +139,48 @@ QED.
 Fuck pseud-/lit/
 
 Feels great to be free and chew you retards out for denying my existence this whole time.
+--- 21922309
+I... uh... hold on...
+He was veris-
+--- 21922348
+>>21922281
+To the slightly more intelligent Nietzschean anon whose still struggling to fight this one out:
+The Uberman would just create God to create the presupposition for the apotheosis (really Theosis) that he seeks.
+To not presuppose God would be to deny the abstract concept of Godhood and thus deny any purpose to will-to-power / Master morality.
+You lose.
+Dostoyevsky was right.
+The Uberman would just will God into a reality that has aseity without God as a demonstration of Godhood.
+You literally played yourself ;)
+
+Side note. Been an oldfag for years. Keep it up fellow non-literal fags.
+Who cares if you believe me. I'm an anon muhahahahahahahahahaha
+--- 21922351
+>>21920632
+It means verossimilhança
+--- 21922365
+>>21922281
+that is beautiful, anon
+--- 21922381
+It is difficult to find verisimiltude in the anime adaptation of Black Lagoon's voice acting options given that certain characters are supposed to only know english while others are fluent in japanese, all while the plot acknowledges these language barriers for the purposes of drama. There is truth in how cute it was to hear Revy's seiyu swear like a sailor in engrish though.
+--- 21922437
+>>21921720
+>zoomers think this is a run-on sentence
+--- 21922793
+>>21922437
+Dude, I am almost 40.
+If a sentence has more than one conjunction it should be split up into several sentences.
+--- 21922927
+>>21920565 (OP)
+Trannies will never attain verisimilitude.
+--- 21922931
+>>21922793
+Based. My favorite sentence is still
+>The tree was big.
+From The Sun Also Rises
+>The water was cold.
+Also in the running
+--- 21922948
+I turned off Black Lagoon because it lacked any semblance of verisimilitude and became shit.
+--- 21923042
+>>21922793
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parataxis

lit/21920607.txt

@@ -25,3 +25,6 @@ The weather still beats out the vast majority of where most people live. No econ
 --- 21922187
 >>21920607 (OP)
 Not sure but I read that in Kokovoko the chiefs would use people as furniture.
+--- 21922377
+>>21920607 (OP)
+Myths and Legends of Hawaii is kino gothic history. Written by the last king of Hawaii and it's full of interesting stuff like how the Hawaiians are the lost tribe of Israel and were in contact with some Japanese samurai in 1100AD

lit/21920817.txt

@@ -50,3 +50,18 @@ Fuck off dude.
 --- 21922058
 >>21921894
 I'd rather fuck your mom while you and your step dad watch
+--- 21922899
+>>21920817 (OP)
+Like most of Rand's work it's a book about the most deranged, selfish, insane ideas imaginable written by a hypocrite who was and still is regarded as churning out mediocre at best prose. 
+
+Her books are absolutely hilarious disasters or fascinating insights into one of the most insane minds to ever reach popularity. Either way, they make for interesting reading.
+--- 21923373
+>>21920817 (OP)
+author is
+>american
+>woman
+my fellow goy, this is a great read!
+--- 21923397
+>>21920987
+>Adam Smith is a Marxist
+I love it

lit/21920902.txt

@@ -95,3 +95,36 @@ Perennialists agree
 >>21921778
 >Believes people can be saved outside the Church
 ngmi
+--- 21922915
+>>21921769
+>UFO's are sent by Satan
+and Lucifer is the good guy.
+--- 21922919
+>>21920902 (OP)
+>a high IQ blue eyed guy White guy choosing to go extinct because of Jewish brain worms
+C L A S S I C
+--- 21923010
+>>21921452
+
+> The Orthodox Church has no dogmatic objection to the use of safe and non-abortifacient contraceptives within the context of married life, not as an ideal or as a permanent arrangement, but as a provisional concession to necessity.
+
+from GOARCH: https://www.goarch.org/social-ethos
+--- 21923012
+>>21920938
+Quanta Cura does not say that. It says that the state has a right to uphold Catholicism as the true religion.
+--- 21923037
+>>21921172
+lol
+being an orthodox convert is literally the highest level of larpdom there is
+--- 21923253
+>>21922919
+He's not going extinct, quite the opposite, he is achieving eternal life.
+--- 21923293
+>>21923012
+You are a lying bastard.
+Pope Pius IX
+>The civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism.
+>The Roman Pontiff cannot, and ought never to, reconcile himself with liberalism, progress, and modern civilisation.
+>it has been unwisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.
+
+Stop deluding yourself and get out of the Vatican II church as fast as you can

lit/21920929.txt

@@ -37,3 +37,56 @@ This is true, but to know this by heart you have to experience so called pleasur
 So you do more for your philosophy journey by experience it, than reading 1000 books
 --- 21921359
 Having sex is reddit
+--- 21922559
+>>21920929 (OP)
+this is cringe 
+there's a time for reading, there's a time for having fun with friends
+if you can't tell the difference, literature is wasted on you
+--- 21922594
+Jesus dude if you live in a dorm in a place where there's lots of woman you have no excuse. 
+
+It's not until you're older and that part of life is over and you actually live alone and actually have limited opportunity's to meet woman that you'll understand truly how pathetic you were. At that stage you may even have the skills to thrive in that environment, but the time has past. You'll realize how actually easy it would have been had you just made a move.
+--- 21922683
+>>21920929 (OP)
+I feel good. I would rather be reading (or writing or working on music) alone than out with friends. In my dorm alone, I am at peace and I enjoy my time. When out in a social environment this is not the case. I have learned to accept this. I enjoy being alone.
+--- 21922820
+I didn’t read in college. Just be glad you found your interest early. No great writer ever picked up the classics at 27.
+--- 21922830
+>>21922820
+>No great writer ever picked up the classics at 27. 
+what donkey taught you this?
+--- 21922838
+>>21922830
+Well, can you name just one?
+--- 21922866
+>>21920929 (OP)
+Simple. If I enjoy the book, people can have an orgy and I don't care. No amount of party, booze, drugs, sex can take me away from being too engrossed in a book.
+But if I feel sad because I am alone reading the book, I'll join the party.
+Life is simple. Don't complicate it.
+
+It seems to me you want to socialize (?)
+--- 21922879
+>>21922838
+Pliny
+--- 21922883
+>>21922838
+Dostoyevsky wrote his first book by 26
+--- 21923004
+>>21922594
+Man shut the fuck up
+--- 21923008
+What’s it like to dilate?
+--- 21923090
+mfw i commute to college and bitchless
+--- 21923094
+Golly, so many sex-havers in here, you lot must be so based and high IQ...
+--- 21923288
+>>21920929 (OP)
+I hope I can have sex with a woman who shares my interests in literature and can discuss it passionately and not some vapid whore.
+--- 21923289
+>>21923004
+
+Too close to home?
+--- 21923296
+>>21923094
+Thanks bro I appreciate it

lit/21920935.txt

@@ -193,3 +193,12 @@ Obvious bait is obvious.
 --- 21921943
 >>21921197
 I did study a bit of Sanksrit actually, but that was a language spoken by Indians, who were not really Aryan. The Aryans invaded north India and subjugated that swarthy and lesser race of people, establishing a permanent ruling class who possess some Aryan blood.
+--- 21922716
+>>21921594
+Sephardi are the good Jews.
+--- 21923353
+>>21921943
+What would you estimate the highest % of IE mixture among Indians is? Also give an estimate for each major caste.
+--- 21923413
+>>21922716
+Knew one. Not true.

lit/21921095.txt

@@ -7,3 +7,6 @@ Lovecraft
 Logo Daedalus
 --- 21921134
 >my specific piece of wrong procedure back then was, incredibly, to browse through the thesaurus and note words that sounded cool, hip, or likely to produce an effect, usually that of making me look good, without then taking the trouble to go and find out in the dictionary what they meant. If this sounds stupid, it is.
+--- 21922693
+>>21921095 (OP)
+me desu

lit/21921102.txt

@@ -203,3 +203,369 @@ Depends on what the doubts are centred around.
 --- 21922283
 >>21922265
 You can't see the future with 100% certainty, there are going to be doubts. The people with no doubts are extremely blessed or not really making a full evaluation of the situation. Part of the beauty of love is moving past the fear and giving yourself over to the other, giving them the ability to fuck your shit up permanently and forever.
+--- 21922296
+>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BD8-aYrKew [Embed]
+damn, ahmad jamal croaked. he was hella old, it was only a matter of time, but still bummer. i'd post on /mu/ but they're all plebs over there.
+--- 21922329
+As someone who used to frequent online libertarian spaces, I was once captivated by the notion of "natural rights" - the idea that individuals possess inherent rights that are not granted by governments. However, over time, I became disenchanted with the juvenile apathy that permeated these spaces, with the mentality of "If it does not involve me, I should have no say in it." This mentality seemed to seep into all discussions, from debates about abortion to parents making decisions about their children's bodies, such as putting them on hormones or subjecting them to genital mutilation. I still recall a disturbing comment I came across that read, "Not my kid, not my wiener, not my problem." It made me wonder: if someone murdered the poster's child, would they still feel the same way?
+
+Reflecting on these experiences, I have come to a sobering realization: unless an ideology is rooted in the concept of God, it cannot claim to have objective morality, and the idea of "natural rights" loses its foundation. Without a higher power, concepts like "inherent rights" are merely human inventions, pleasant ideas concocted by individuals.
+
+Without an ultimate source of morality, "natural rights" become nothing more than human constructs, subject to the ever-changing whims of culture, opinion, and power dynamics. This mentality of "not my problem" that often accompanies this ideology can also ignore or undermine the concept of "natural rights." If individuals adopt a stance of indifference or apathy towards the well-being and rights of others, it can erode the very foundation of "natural rights" that purports to be inherent and universal. They may choose to ignore or neglect the rights of others when it is inconvenient or uncomfortable for them.
+--- 21922336
+>>21922296
+enjoyed it, thanks
+--- 21922355
+>>21922329
+hated it, thanks
+--- 21922370
+>>21922107
+I don’t think I’ll want to go throw much more disappointment
+--- 21922400
+When I was a little kid there was this older girl who'd come to me during recess and kiss me on the lips where there was nobody else around. I'm in my early twenties now and sometimes I fantasize about making out with her. I don't know what to do with this but it's messing with my head.
+--- 21922418
+>>21922329
+"But in spite of our great scientific discoveries, for which praise be given to whom the praise is due, and in spite of that general indifference to all the truths and all the principles of truth, that belong to our permanent being, and therefore do not lie within the sphere of our senses, (that same indifference which makes toleration so easy a virtue with us, and constitutes nine-tenths of our pretended illumination) it still remains the character of the mass of mankind to seek for the attainment of their necessary ends by any means rather than the appointed ones; and for this cause only, that the latter imply the exertion of the Reason and the Will." --Coleridge, The Friend, Essay VIII
+--- 21922428
+Jean Baudrillard decided to make a Facebook account. He was about to post his first status update when he realized that he had created a simulacrum of himself and deleted his account.
+--- 21922430
+>>21922400
+
+Ha, I had a girl like that. Only she was almost certainly a victim of CSA at home because there was no other way she could have learned some of the stuff she knew. She was one of the brown asians (vietnamese? cambodian?) and extremely promiscuous / proactive. It was confusing but exciting at the time, only in retrospect did I realize there were probably dark reasons for a kid her age to behave that way unprompted.
+--- 21922474
+>>21922430
+I had two Indonesian girls let me touch both their tits and kiss when I was 12 or something like that.
+Fine memories, wrote all kinds of sexual stuff in my agenda as well. I still have that.
+--- 21922479
+I'm crying.
+--- 21922497
+>>21922479
+Why?
+--- 21922498
+>>21922497
+Something really funny happened.
+--- 21922501
+Let's see your best score. I got 10.4 cps.
+https://clickspeedtest.com/
+--- 21922503
+>>21922498
+What happened?
+--- 21922509
+>>21922503
+My brother farted when we were doing yoga.
+--- 21922526
+>>21922119
+As a Christian, this is a pretty good argument against Christianity. The problem is, is that it was written by someone who doesn't have a totally firm grasp on what Jesus taught. He told you to love God before your family, not him, and even then there are tons of examples of him teaching or saying to love not only your family, but everyone. So outside of the obvious confirmation bias this suffers from, this is the best argument I've seen leveled at religion currently outside of "hurr durr muh fisikal wurld and suheyeance"
+--- 21922531
+>>21922501
+>Chinese spyware site to dox my click speed
+Your not getting my medical information today, China!!!
+--- 21922543
+Mysterious connections. Mysterious values.
+--- 21922545
+>>21922543
+Internet connections. Mysterious values.
+Tis a mystery anon!
+--- 21922551
+>>21922526
+>He told you to love God before your family, not him
+Christians believe Jesus is God
+--- 21922558
+>>21922526
+
+I understand from a Christian POV it seems to be missing the point. But consider that the rationale you give for that teaching is similar to rationales which exist in many other religions to conceal the ulterior motive behind such policies. For example, Scientology has the "disconnection policy" which urges converts to cut family members out of their lives if those people are SP/Wogs (not Scientologists, anti-Scientology) as it will lower their tone and inhibit their movement up the bridge to happiness. But in fact, isn't it really because family members are the most strongly motivated to extricate you, once they realize the nature of what you have joined?
+--- 21922568
+>>21922119
+>outside source
+So you want testimony from someone who saw first hand the miracles of Jesus yet still denied him?
+--- 21922569
+>>21922551
+In spirit, but not in form. Its also why the Holy Ghost is added to that too.
+--- 21922578
+>>21922558
+The argument against it from a Christian perspective would simply be that it misrepresents what Christians actually do, which is to create and nurture families. These things normally only come into play when one has to actually make a decision between Christ or their family, which is uncommon outside of areas or times in which Christians are persecuted. And in that context it does not seem problematic to me. I am not a Christians anymore but that is how I would respond.
+
+>>21922569
+Whatever kind of distinction you're trying to make here is not a normal orthodox expression. Christ is believed to be a divine person who is God who took upon himself a separate human nature. He is the fullness of the Godhead and is not less God than the Father.
+--- 21922580
+>>21922568
+
+Today, there exist plenty of Christian writings outside of the Bible. The fact that they are written by people persuaded of Christ's divinity does not cause their writings to be included into the Bible.
+
+Besides, do you now suddenly deny that some exist who, even if shown miracles, still would not believe?
+--- 21922583
+>>21922578
+
+That is a good defense against its applicability to modern Christianity, but it was never describing modern Christianity. It's describing early Christianity. Cults change a lot and drop the more burdensome requirements as they mature into religions
+--- 21922587
+>>21922578
+(cont.) I think one could also get into some sort of argument about how familial love ultimately stems from love of God, as the family is something that derives from God, who bears in himself the familial prototype of Father/Son, and in whose image humans are created. So to say you should love God more than your family isn't to denigrate the family but to love the source of family, or to put things into their proper perspective.
+
+>>21922583
+What I said applied to early Christianity, as I referred to time periods in which Christians were under persecution. Should it rather teach, "If your family is going to disown you for your beliefs, just give up and do what they tell you to do" ?
+--- 21922588
+>>21922558
+Jesus, never had a disconnect policy though. Sure they said that those people would not go to heaven, but he also did command that we should love everyone. Its why a lot of believers are so insistent on having their loved ones convert, because they want them to be saved. Its why missioning is a thing. You can find tons of Bible verses saying that non-believers are not of God, that they will go to hell, that Jesus is the only way to God. But Jesus never said to shun people, at least from what I can remember without pouring over his works or looking it up (I just finished dinner, give me a break...)
+>>21922578
+>Whatever kind of distinction you're trying to make here is not a normal orthodox expression.
+The trinity isn't orthodox?
+--- 21922590
+>>21922587
+>What I said applied to early Christianity, as I referred to time periods in which Christians were under persecution. Should it rather teach, "If your family is going to disown you for your beliefs, just give up and do what they tell you to do" ?
+
+Nobody except cults say to cut family members out of your life if they don't share your beliefs.
+--- 21922591
+>>21921102 (OP)
+Xristos Anesti!
+--- 21922592
+>>21922588
+>Jesus, never had a disconnect policy though.
+
+First of all, yes, he did. Second of all, it wasn't specifically just about that one policy, you're missing the point of my post. I was illustrating a general principle about why you can't take a religion's explanation for their practices at face value.
+--- 21922595
+>>21922588
+>The trinity isn't orthodox?
+I don't believe what you said is normal manner of referring to the trinity. If you simply mean that Christ's human nature is human and not divine, then sure, but that human nature is proper to a person who is divine. The person, Christ, is divine.
+
+>>21922590
+Who is cutting who out of their life is the family demands you drop your beliefs or they will disown you?
+--- 21922598
+>>21922595
+>Who is cutting who out of their life is the family demands you drop your beliefs or they will disown you?
+
+Where does "disown" come from? Which verse is that in? Scientology doesn't even specify anything about that. That is something you slipped into the equation to make it seem more defensible.
+--- 21922599
+>>21921198
+>disliking Muslim terrorism
+You’re just an Islamophobe
+--- 21922601
+>>21922592
+>First of all, yes, he did.
+Source please?
+>Second of all, it wasn't specifically just about that one policy, you're missing the point of my post. I was illustrating a general principle about why you can't take a religion's explanation for their practices at face value.
+It might be that I just ate dinner but it seemed the point of the picture was to point out that from the outside looking it in looks like a cult of crazy people and you wouldn't join.
+--- 21922606
+>>21922601
+>Source please?
+
+Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple."
+
+
+Matt. 10:35-37 “For I have come to turn a man against his father a daughter against her mother a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law---a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” 
+
+
+Matthew 19:29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."
+--- 21922608
+>>21922598
+You're just running the conversation in circles. I said this normally does not come up for Christians outside of contexts in which they are persecuted (such as early Christianity). You said my response does not take into account early Christianity. I said early Christians would face persecution or being cut off by their families because of their beliefs, and thus the statement is telling them to not give into this but rather hold firm to what they believe. You stated this means the Christian is the one cutting their family off. I said that no, this means that family is cutting off the Christian because they are the ones demanding that the Christian give up what they believe. You then asked me where this idea came from, which loops back to the beginning.
+--- 21922614
+>>21922580
+>today
+The world now is nothing like it was back then. Most people didn't write but transmitted testimony orally. There'd have to be 1) literate, 2) a writer, 3) someone who saw the miracles, 4) someone who was interested enough to write about the miracles, 5) able to avoid prosecution for writing about the miracles, 6) secure the writing to survive until today, etc.
+--- 21922615
+>>21921198
+>Well the "Churches" you speak of are closer to being Synagogues of Satan than Churches.
+Agreed, hence why I'm an Anglican Mystic now.
+>That sign is Satanic.
+I wouldn't go that far but my point is that if you make the argument for why the "Hate has no home here" sign shouldn't be on church grounds you open for door for why the "Black Lives Matter" signs should be allowed. If I had to pick, I'd rather the HHNHH sings than the BLM signs.
+>Your Chruches are satanic
+Not my churches, at least not anymore, its sad to see my denomination go that way but also being a Christian Mystic has opened a lot of interesting reading of other Christian Hermits.
+--- 21922618
+>>21922608
+>You're just running the conversation in circles.
+
+What do you think I owe you? Who are you to me? 
+
+>I said this normally does not come up for Christians outside of contexts in which they are persecuted (such as early Christianity). You said my response does not take into account early Christianity. 
+
+Early Christians were persecuted constantly
+
+>I said early Christians would face persecution or being cut off by their families because of their beliefs, and thus the statement is telling them to not give into this but rather hold firm to what they believe
+
+Think critically about what the reason for such a teaching may have been, outside of a perspective which assumes the truth of Christianity. It could also be because the church would rather you die than apostatize. 
+
+>I said that no, this means that family is cutting off the Christian because they are the ones demanding that the Christian give up what they believe.
+
+i.e. extricating them from a cult, something a loving family ought to do. 
+
+>You then asked me where this idea came from, which loops back to the beginning.
+
+The word disown is never used. Jesus does not say "cut off family if they are going to disown you for following me anyway". he says only those who love him more than their own family are worthy of him. That is what cult leaders say.
+--- 21922619
+>>21922618
+>What do you think I owe you? Who are you to me?
+If you're going to respond in this way then I'm not going to continue the conversation. Good day.
+--- 21922621
+>>21922614
+
+Not my problem.
+--- 21922623
+>>21922619
+
+That's a convenient way to avoid addressing the rest of the post I guess
+--- 21922627
+>>21922623
+I'm not a Christian anymore and don't care. If you straight up tell me you aren't going to bother discussing this in a reasonable way because you don't owe that to me, then I'm not going to waste my time.
+--- 21922628
+>>21922618
+Word to the wise, all that spacing makes it harder to read, just keep it all as 1 line on top of another plz.
+--- 21922636
+>>21922606
+Well fuck, thanks Anon. I wasn't aware of these passages, I'll go through them to see the greater context later. Why is the book of Matthew so all over the place, in Matthew 15:4-7 he tells you to honor your mother and father.
+--- 21922640
+>>21922628
+>all that spacing makes it harder to read
+god damn you zoomers are fucking retarded lmao
+--- 21922642
+>>21922636
+Because there's not actually a contradiction between those two things.
+--- 21922645
+>>21922640
+I'm an old millennial, I get tired. Now get the fuck off my digital lawn!
+--- 21922680
+Leave the religious LARPing out of the OP please
+--- 21922726
+>>21922680
+Problem?
+--- 21922776
+E-christians deserve the rope
+--- 21922808
+>>21922627
+
+I'm sorry, you're right. I'm not usually like this, it's been a hard day.
+--- 21922816
+It does start to feel like it’s over if you’re not well on the path by 29-31 and just have like a shitty job you don’t really care about.
+--- 21922833
+You know, there is a paradox in the situation of these people who live in their mothers’ basements and eat fast food, watch cartoons and smoke pot at age 35. On the one hand, they seem to enjoy a kind of base infantile hedonism, indulging in their pleasures without any responsibility or guilt. On the other hand, they are also the perfect consumers of late capitalism, obediently following the dictates of the market and the ideology of choice. They are at the same time primitive yet ultramodern.
+--- 21922984
+https://files.catbox.moe/rdul8i.webm
+I just found this on another thread on 4channel. What drives people to make shit like this?
+
+I hope whoever made this gem never gets the medication he needs
+--- 21923028
+>>21922984
+
+i'd become a nazi if they consistently made art like this
+--- 21923029
+>>21922833
+I don't do drugs.
+--- 21923039
+Investigations in the afterlife.
+--- 21923061
+>>21921102 (OP)
+---- Solaria ----
+216
+Legacy Population
+
+I used to pad the carpets of luxury retail,
+Depend on friends to take me
+
+Where I'd go by slightest will.
+
+I used to tease the son and daugther of a rich executive for fun
+And when I grew tired of them retired 
+
+To one of the most serene lands in the world,
+And sometimes despair 
+
+That it's so easy here. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckU61fDA5Sc [Embed]
+--- 21923129
+People act like science vs. religion is an eternal dichotomy, when for anyone born before the enlightenment science was religion and religion was science. It seems silly to me whenever people talk like Thomas Aquinas or really just educated people in the middle ages had to "make a choice" between their religion and their knowledge about the ways of the world when to them what we would call science nowadays fell under the umbrella of religion (as "natural philosophy") because religion itself was a much more all-encompassing idea back then (not to mention our idea of religion stemming from 19th century protestant philosophers, which is going to be a poor fit for anyone living before or outside of that cultural sphere).
+--- 21923139
+>>21923129
+The way the Enlightenment was taught in school is conducive to this way of thing too. It’s almost as if people have been propagandised to think this way. Ask a normie what they think happened to Galileo. Byzantium is also heavily understudied even though it was the centre of scientific learning for centuries
+--- 21923157
+>>21923139
+It's clearly a remnant of the enlightenment rhetoric of the ascendant middle classes against the declining aristocrats and clergy of the ancien regime. "You held societal progress and science back for an entire millennium, now is our time to liberate these fields from your oppression and retrograde, outdated views". We live in an age that is at its core still fundamentally centered around the ideology of the middle classes that won this conflict so our views about the times before their ascendance is unavoidably going to be skewed because of the base narrative, the vocabulary, and the ultimate limits of the discourse being decreed by this aforementioned middle class ideology. Between history and ideology, the former seldom, if ever wins.
+--- 21923158
+>>21921248
+This.
+I's thankful for every day i get to play video games and masturbate into old age while the government supports me. I mean i'm clinically insane but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ride right?
+--- 21923169
+>>21921946
+That they were shitter then the 2000's.
+--- 21923194
+>>21922776
+>thinks calling Christians Jews is offensive
+Christians are the true Jews, also saved to show my paster lol.
+--- 21923204
+>>21923157
+People always have decontextualised or non-genealogical understanding of how modernity came to be. Well, it’s either that or they go the other extreme and see history as a long march of progress. The irony of holding up progress as some quasi-transcendental idea is that progress is a relational concept and therefore cannot be an end of society. Maybe that’s half baked but I think there’s something to that. 
+
+Also they don’t get that these ascendant middle class heroes that they hold up are ravenous wolves. The revolution has to constantly feed on itself
+--- 21923232
+>>21921102 (OP)
+---- Solaria ----
+217
+Pleiades 
+
+Majestic in heavy lenses,
+Frostily delicate from almost any perspective
+
+Especially just above June trees
+The leaves of which are cleanly as articulately outlined. 
+
+Porch views, technological porticoes,
+Immense dance music archives.
+--- 21923241
+>>21923232
+What are you quoting if you don't mind me asking? When I searched "Solaria 217 Pleiades" I got nothing and when I searched Solaria.
+--- 21923250
+Boиcтинy вocкpece!
+
+Christ is risen from the dead,
+by death he trampled death,
+and to those in the tombs
+He granted Life!
+
+Easter is my absolute favorite holiday. A reminder that there is hope for everyone one of us by the only one that can give us any real hope at all the Lord himself.
+--- 21923258
+>>21923250
+Boиcтинy вocкpec!
+Αληθώς Ανέστη! 
+Truly He is Risen!
+--- 21923264
+>>21923250
+>>21923258
+HELLO FELLOW RUSSIANS, I DO CAN SPEAK RUSSIAN, BEHOLD:
+;aew ljifa; oi wejf ;afj l;zsnvj kvnapwohfn a[owf nwe
+--- 21923306
+>>21922007
+>orthodox means russian
+Why are americans like this
+--- 21923312
+>>21923241
+The number is somewhat arbitrary, the title not so much. I've written about 500 of these, most of them omitted. I extemporize these things, almost always when quite drunk off my ass, and post them almost immediately, if they're at all adequate. I have an absolutely terrible memory for rote or quotation of any kind, but rather a good one for sensational experience.
+--- 21923319
+>>21923250
+I have a variation of that icon.
+--- 21923345
+I'm completely outmatched by the mosquito in my room. It only shows up when I don't expect it, like it's connected to my mind.
+--- 21923404
+Apologizing is ultimately an act about reaffirming relations of power after an act of transgression. It is always the powerful who expect an apology when they feel like they were wronged by someone they see as lesser and weaker than themselves. Similarly, no matter what a powerful person does to a weaker person, the weaker person will be laughed at if he or she expects an apology from that powerful person, exactly because that is not what apologizing is for or about.
+
+If you ever had to apologize to someone in a real, major way (so not because you bumped into them on public transport) it was because you were lower on the social ladder than that person and therefore that person expected an act of ritual submission and humiliation from you that righted the wrong of your act of transgression - an apology.
+--- 21923422
+>A carrot can't wear a monocle and smoke a pipe.
+--- 21923429
+---- Solaria ----
+218
+chartreuse versus magenta
+
+Splendid shells detonate overhead like starry chrysanthemums or asters or whatever. 
+
+I stroll with my favorite sister along a backyard boulevard of dreams,
+Not quite believing my good fortune, and still 
+
+Weep a little, now, that she didn't see it
+The same way I do:
+
+The exquisite rarity of the guy playing the Imperial Theme from heavy speakers
+
+With a kind of double irony, the corridor of five story high trees
+
+And the faces of beautiful athletes..
+--- 21923451
+/lit/ will never know how much I like them...

lit/21921110.txt

@@ -65,3 +65,34 @@ Sounds good. It's a lot of words that human beings used to try to express mental
 Philosophy has very little to do with the way the world is run, since power relations have remained mostly the same for thousands of years - and so your access to philosophy, and your understanding of philosophy, is dependent on circumstances outside of your control. Peasants and plebs weren't ever meant to get access to philosophy - now they have it, by sheer luck, but they can't do anything at all with it except talk in circles endlessly.
 
 Can't wait for ChatGPT to rewrite all of philosophy for us.
+--- 21922932
+>>21921110 (OP)
+philosophy is a person and He has a name
+(spoiler alert: His name is Jesus)
+--- 21922957
+>>21921110 (OP)
+>So what is philosophy ?
+Loving Sophia, agape.
+--- 21922973
+>>21921110 (OP)
+One word:
+Aristotle.
+--- 21922997
+It is the study of the question "what is life?", discussion of the nature of existence and being itself. How one perceives the world and their place in it, their role as an individual and a member of the collective human race.
+
+What is life but a fleeting dream, a momentary spark in the dark abyss of time? What is the purpose of our existence, if not to seek the highest and noblest ideals of beauty, wisdom and virtue? Everyone has a personal philosophy. 
+
+I have sought honor in society, not by conformity or submission, but by integrity and courage. I have defended my principles and my identity, my nation and my culture, against the threats and temptations of a degenerate and decadent world. I am an aristocrat of the soul, not by birth or wealth, but by spirit, character, and devotion to knowledge. I have rejected the false dichotomies and the shallow ideologies that divide and deceive the masses. I have chosen to dedicate myself to the cultivation of my soul, to refine and polish it like a precious gem, to adorn it with the jewels.
+
+For me, the pursuit of this higher mission and quest for truth and development of personal meaning is what philosophy means.
+--- 21923025
+>>21921137
+>theology
+>objective truth
+Lmao
+--- 21923043
+>>21923025
+It's how Aristotle defined theology. It's knowledge of that which is unchanging and separable (which is the divine = theos properly speaking).
+--- 21923151
+>>21921137
+"cope" isn't actually a real concept

lit/21921220.txt

@@ -36,3 +36,6 @@ Essays and Aphorisms
 Read some secondary sources on him by scholars like Christopher Janaway, and then dive into *The World as Will and Representation*. If you have an interest in Samuel Beckett, definitely read Ulrich Pothast's book, *The Metaphysical Vision: Arthur Schopenhauer’s Philosophy of Art and Life and Samuel Beckett’s Own Way to Make Use of It*. It describes the ways in which Schopenhauer's philosophy influenced Samuel Beckett, but it is a great book when it comes to explaining Schopenhauer's philosophy in and of itself.
 
 I do not necessarily think you need to read Plato or Kant in order to understand Schopenhauer, but having a cursory understanding of their main ideas will be helpful.
+--- 21922656
+>>21921651
+This. Vol 1 and 2.