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+--- 2383763
+Leaving the West general thread.(continued)
+
+I live in the USA, how do i get out of this corrupt shit-hole for greener pastures?
+--- 2384528
+>>2383763 (OP)
+There is none quit being a pussy and do what you can to fix it
+>B-but I'm a rootless cosmopolitan who's never stood up for anything in my life and runs from hardship
+Quit bein a pussy. It'll be good for you
+--- 2384549
+By making this thread over and over and over while you seethe in mommy's basement waiting for your dad to get home with his cigarettes
+--- 2385916
+I think we've got a flight risk. Don't let him escape.
+--- 2385961
+>>2384528
+>>2384549
+>>2385916
+Seethe more, the west is dead and cucked whites killed it. The only joy I get is seeing arrogant boomers reap the world they sowed by spoiling their daughters. Men dropping out, shitskins raping their snow bunnies, society crumbling, rents rising, homeless, droves of shitskins. It’s glorious, the collapse can’t come any sooner.
+--- 2385976
+>>2385961
+jews arent white pal
+--- 2387762
+>>2384528
+Yes, try to fix it, at the same time as every jackass around you tries to destroy it to line their pocketbook.
+--- 2387766
+>>2385961
+>Wah wah wah daddy wouldn't buy me a pony wah I'm leaving and not coming back 
+
+Buy Felicia
+--- 2387802
+Boomers ITT are seething because they want to trap us with their pet niggers to pay their pensions.
+Time to fuck off to greener pastures and leave the boomers to beaten by niggers like they so deserve
+--- 2388213
+>>2387766
+>Felicia 
+You're replying to a chink
+--- 2388236
+>>2385961
+You are the cucked white moron you aren't doing shit but seething online and then leaving without a fight lmao
+>There's no hope that's definitely why I'm leaving and not my lack of balls and testosterone
+Like I said. Bitchmade.
+--- 2388279
+>>2387762
+Welcome to the world are you new here? It's been like this for thousands of years and yet the world still got better sometimes. You should quit making excuses and take a look at yourself. You can't fix a problem if you don't think there is one
+--- 2388613
+>>2383763 (OP)
+move to albania, 1 year visa free and you can get residency by just buying some real estate. been there a couple of times, it's extraordinarily cheap, has beautiful nature and has great weather
+--- 2389287
+>>2388613
+>1 year visa free and you can get residency by just buying some real estate.
+woah that's like a hack, aren't you a full EU citizen at that point??
+--- 2390316
+>>2388613
+That does sound pretty good. What's the catch?
+--- 2390330
+>>2389287
+>Albania
+>EU
+--- 2390335
+>>2390330
+apparently it might be soon
+--- 2390368
+>>2383763 (OP)
+>corrupt shit-hole 
+That is most of the world anon, thanks in part to CIA meddling.
+--- 2390474
+RIP GASM . A real Detroit king
+--- 2390501
+>>2385961
+I'm an American conservative but I don't see why others are always doom and gloom like this. I live in a Democrat run minority majority city. The crime rate is high, and I don't like that, but frankly it doesn't really impact me all that much since I live in an upscale, secure building and I'm not out at the club at 4am looking for trouble. Other than that, most of the nonsense I see is just online babble. People in the real world don't behave like internet SJW and no one bothers me for being an unapologetic straight white male. I have a loving family, a good job, and I look forward to waking up every day. Most of my IRL friends are like this too and living good happy productive lives. I feel like we're living on another planet from these internet 'conservative' harbingers of the apocalypse. We have an idiot senile president and some terrible folks in office. Work to change that, but don't pretend the USA is like living in Haiti or Brazil when it's a damn fine country and still a great place to be all things considered.
+--- 2390526
+>>2390501
+>it's great here I just have to stay locked up inside my compound because of the violent crime
+--- 2390664
+>>2390526
+I already said the crime is high. the violet crime here was higher 30, 50, and 70 years ago so it's nothing new the way you doomers make it sound. Obviously I won't raise my kids in this neighborhood, but it's a good location for now for my career. If I just go 20 miles away to the suburbs it turns into a 0 crime area anyway.
+--- 2390850
+>>2390501
+If you don’t see the writing on the walls you are incredibly sheltered living on the tailcoats of boomer economy and their suburbs but you already admit that. All the signs are pointing to the end result of hyper inflation, not a matter of if but when. And until then seeing boomers reap the results of the sexual revolution and neoliberalism will be fucking glorious. But escape anyways because the WEF will try to trigger the controlled collapse and install their own dictator instead of a right wing one which always happens in times of collapse
+--- 2390856
+>>2390850
+>be millenial 
+>Born into richest country in the world 
+>Born to boomers, the best generation in history.
+>Have unnatural long life thanks to modern medicine.
+>Be the greatest recipients of the fiat money printing wave. Any bitcoin you bought during your early years increased in value 400,000%
+>Enjoy anal sex, weed and avocado toast.
+>Live free in mommy's basement.
+>Be in power since the mid 2000's since the obama era and steal wealth from boomers.
+>export all the manufacturing jobs to china 
+>import millions of third world workers to compete with boomers because you refuse to work.
+>kys because ywnbaw, leave earth and your kin with lower standard of living that you enjoyed.
+--- 2390864
+>>2390856
+Jesus christ this is the most delusional shit I have read in a while. Are you okay man? Meds wearing off?
+--- 2392087
+Anon, why not just call the repair man?
+--- 2392099
+>>2390664
+Coping intensifies
+--- 2392107
+>>2390501
+> Fed trying to de-escalate
+By being part of the social media population control machine, you destroy your own live-basis, the population which could fight the elites, for your own little extra-earning, that won't get you anything, once they have enough control and will get rid of every non-elite.
+--- 2392799
+>>2390501
+That's all fine and Dandy until you get stabbed walking home with a pizza Jason.
+--- 2392928
+>>2387766
+How much is she?
+--- 2394218
+>>2390526
+Yes, put on the bulletproof vest when I leave. Everything is fine.
+--- 2394982
+>>2390856
+>Born to boomers, the best generation in history.
+--- 2394984
+>>2392107
+>he unironically thinks feds are everywhere
+Are they in the room right now
+--- 2395036
+There are tons and tons and tons of places to escape to.
+--- 2395207
+>>2390501
+Because they're incel shut-ins that base their worldview around /pol/ memes instead of actually interacting with their surroundings. I've seen people from fucking BRAZIL posting about how dangerous Paris is
+--- 2395242
+Quit your job and travel the world.
+--- 2395322
+>>2390856
+Found the boomer kek. No one’s paying your pension buddy boyo.
+--- 2395323
+>>2390501
+>>2390664
+>>2390856
+Holy kek my sides. Boomers literally sold out their entire countries for short term gains to fund their frumpy wives kitchen remodel. No one is too lazy to work retard that’s just neoliberal propaganda, wages are shit because of overcompetition. Boomers literally started this trend and we are on a race to the bottom. They gave their daughters everything because they are weak cucks and simps and now their sons see the writing on the wall and refuse to contribute anymore than they need. Heed this warning anons, take your money and go somewhere you can live a good and hassle free life. Let these boomers reap the world they sowed
+--- 2395412
+Yeah op I agree
+The older I get the more I realize I have to escape nigger hell so my descendants have a chance at a good life
+Asia seems like the only option
+Or maybe east Europe
+--- 2395475
+>>2385976
+Not him. And they are.
+--- 2395480
+>>2395242
+Where picrel?
+
+>>2395412
+Rent free.
+--- 2395500
+>>2395412
+Yeah I'm hoping I can get remote work to move to Asia. Eastern Europe is fucked because of the European Union, also aggressive NATO expansion as seen in Ukraine.
+--- 2395506
+>>2395480
+That looks like Chongqing.
+--- 2395666
+>>2395412
+Istanbul probably wouldn't be bad either if you can stand roaches. Turkey has a citizenship by investment program and you can purchase real estate there.
+--- 2395696
+>>2390316
+>>2389287
+>>2388613
+>Hell yea were gonna escape the corrupt west!
+>By going to Albania
+We need to make iq tests to use the internet
+--- 2396904
+Head South anon, you could do worse.
+--- 2396946
+>>2384528
+Your larp post, let me explain,
+I actually was trying to fix things.
+Did all my civic duties and then some.
+But hte problem is, most of America is just on cruise control until the weekend and nigger football league comes on. 
+I kept thinking I would work harder and isolate myself more via property and still "contribute" and try and make things better.
+ 
+See the problem is, we are to the point that "fixing" things will require aggressive posture now. I would be quite OK with this had my community have my and others back while we do the hard work they won't let the cops do.
+RED FLAGS--RED FLAGS -- RED FLAGS
+ABANDON PLAN ANBD GET OUT
+
+A month ago I found the raw stats for vaccinations in me county. 
+My age group? 87% vaxxed
+Overall? 77% vaxxed in my state.
+
+NO ONE is going to jury nullify guys "fixing shit". The jury pool would literally be 80% conformists. 80% who can't figure out how to stand together against threats foregin AND domestic.
+
+So please do tell me to "fix shit". 
+What you are really saying is go to prison for the rest of your life for an un-grateful, nigger centric society.
+
+No. I'm taking my wealth, skills, and talent and finding a place that wants to Galt the shit out of a country. Pipedream, I know so I am looking for the least amount of government.
+
+South America is on the short list now. Europe can eat a bag of dicks.
+--- 2396962
+>>2395666
+don't listen to satan, Istanbul sucks now, full of arabs and north africans, go somewhere more chuddy and homogenous like east asia maybe
+--- 2397852
+More like leaving the east and the west. The whole planet has been le pooped on.
+--- 2397885
+>>2385961
+Praying this is a larp post. No one is this retarded and involuntarily celibate lmao
+--- 2397889
+>>2383763 (OP)
+The United States really isn't that bad. You need to travel around more, the USA has a lot of really nice places to visit; what you're seeing is just a reflection of you have going on within yourself. You'll land in Europe and the first thing you'll think, "Oh my god.. it's ruined! It's happening here too!"
+
+When really, the average person is just minding their own business & going about their own day. Clear up whatever mess you have going on within yourself, and drop the prejudices. Otherwise every place you go to won't ignite that feeling you're looking for.
+--- 2399555
+It's a shitty country run by a modernized version of the Nazi's. You might be able to leave, but it's doubtful you'll get yourself out of the 'system,' their surveillance is global.
+--- 2400737
+The Devil is everywhere, not just the USA. Although that seems to be where he has the most followers.
+--- 2400986
+>>2390501
+>but don't pretend the USA is like living in Haiti or Brazil
+but my city has already gotten somalian drops
+--- 2401028
+>>2383763 (OP)
+>Rent a dirt cheap appartement outside of big cities
+>save money
+>profit
+It is that simple retard
+--- 2402353
+>>2392087
+The U.S. does indeed stink.
+
+It smells of Shit.
+--- 2403949
+Well if that were me, I would get myself to the border and fight my way through, guns ablazing if need be.
+--- 2404130
+Any advice for the best countries to go to for been a DN in Europe? Hate beach's and humid environments. Want somewhere low crime, like to be able to feel safe in where im living.
+
+Im currently earning 5000 AUD, or 3500 USD a month as a programmer and online teacher. Could easily move my work to another country. Where should I go?
+--- 2405443
+Clownmerica. 
+Find a country where people are more grown up.
+--- 2405446
+>>2395696
+Corruption is good if it's available to the common man since it bypasses unnecessary bureaucracy, and I didn't even notice any bad corruption when I was there. Every interaction I had was friendly despite the language barrier
+--- 2405447
+>>2401028
+>dirt cheap
+>still hundreds of dollars a month
+nah, move to the balkans and pay tens of dollars a month
+--- 2405625
+>>2383763 (OP)
+where you going tho
+--- 2405651
+>>2383763 (OP)
+US isn't that bad, sure its spawned the degenerates that inhabit this board but because of this wealth and decency we can enjoy the fulfilment of le sex tourism.
+--- 2405812
+>>2405446
+I couldn't renew my drivers license in Oregon during the lockdowns because govt offices shut down, now I need to borrow someone's car to take the test when I don't know anyone here.
+
+I wish I could bribe a sheriff to get a DL.
+--- 2407119
+>>2405812
+Don't get me started on the traffic in this country.
+--- 2407318
+>>2390501
+well the ukraine war exposed pretty convincingly 4chan in particular is a major target for the steppe zigger and chink demoralization propaganda campaigns. Entire fucking /pol/ got ousted as leftypols sister site in the beginning months.
+
+ The shitstains like OP you see here whining are either one of the turdies jealous of the developed world or one of the local feeble minded that got hijacked by the unironic state driven propaganda
+
+ mind you with tight media control back home dictatorships serfs are not allowed to talk how shit local conditions truely are. Like the african tier development level of Russia or the obnoxious pollution of China. So feeble minded get easily fooled since they never hear how okay things are in the developed world and how bad it can really get. Thus draw the conclusion that USA is the worst place on the planet whenever some chink from Chingchongistan posts pics about detroit slums.
+--- 2408936
+Everyone knows westerners are a bunch of thieves and scoundrels.
+--- 2409946
+>>2390501
+the pentagon has tapes of iraqi guards in abu girab ass raping boys , filmed by a female usa intelligence agent or soldier and used as blackmail to get information from terrorists who half the time werent even terrorists but an unlucky cab driver
+--- 2410084
+are we still doing these stupid fucking threads
+--- 2410996
+>>2410084
+Seethe more
+--- 2411007
+>>2407318
+These teen actors are too white to pretend to be from Detroit.
+--- 2411428
+>>2390501
+People like to blame their miserable lives on something they can't control so they don't have to look inward. 
+
+I live a great life in the USA and I haven't been anywhere I'd rather live. I make 97k working from home about 20hrs a week and I never tried hard in school or had rich parents. Wife makes 150k working from home and cooks all my meals, we split a lot of the house duties like a happy couple so neither of us have to do shit we hate doing. we'll have over 1M networth before I'm 40. Not huge but it will climb exponentially until I retire and we can move anywhere if we want. 
+
+I see homeless people and graffiti driving around sometimes. I don't interact with them, but it bugs me. I don't let it ruin my day, I keep it quiet to myself that I hope they die soon.
+--- 2411453
+>>2409946
+>cab drivers being extrajudicially imprisoned and tortured
+Kind of ok with this desu
+--- 2411488
+>>2390501
+Because people on /pol/ are the absolute biggest losers you will ever meet. they have no life and think that whatever is posted here is 100 percent true. After awhile of reading that stuff over and over and over, while simultaneously never going outside or having real friends, or even family that talk to them; it breaks their mind. Slowly they start falling for Russian propaganda and think that if they were living there, somehow all their problems would go away and they would suddenly be a Chad.
+--- 2413055
+Maybe you can find peace in a different Country, there is not much peace in this world though.
+--- 2414254
+>>2409946
+Gross
+--- 2414891
+>>2407318
+You forget to mention that the United States has the worst women in the world, the most depressing architecture, and food with chemicals outlawed in most other countries though. Also a multitude of absurd humiliation rituals and a very high COL if you want to live anywhere bearable. Also much higher levels of violent crime, drug use, and homelessness compared to other developed countries.
+--- 2414916
+>>2390501
+I have lived in liberal and conservative areas. The liberal areas are miserable, and full of spiteful selfish antisocial people. They find reasons to hate each other. Because of no community you have high rates of mental illness and people doing desperate things to find a sense of belonging (drugs, tranny, feminist, LGBT)
+Conservatives find reasons to get along, and overall are more community-based and social. I never want to live around liberal scum again.
+--- 2415215
+I usually hate these milquetoast threads, but after today, I realize that if my path out of the west isn't through the military, then I'm going to find some academy to get a skill and GTFO. I can't be here forever man. Somebody will get packed up eventually.
+--- 2415586
+20 PLACES WESTERNERS CAN GO TO ESCAPE GLOBOHOMO 
+
+1. Taiwan
+2. Thailand
+3. Georgia (the country)
+4. Poland
+5. Romania
+6. Albania
+7. Serbia
+8. Cambodia
+9. The Phillipines
+10. Turkey
+11. The UAE
+12. India
+13. Kenya
+14. Finland
+15. Kazakhstan
+16. Indonesia
+17. Malaysia
+18. Saint Kitts and Nevis
+19. Jamaica
+20. Iceland
+--- 2415810
+>>2415586
+How long will it take these faggots to ruin all of them though?
+--- 2416087
+>>2383763 (OP)
+Bump. 
+
+i am sort of in this boat. Although, global stability being what it is, I don't know if abandoning all U.S. infrastructure is a strategically sound choice. 
+
+I personally was looking forward to establishing a presence in Hungary, but the war is affecting that choice. I am really close to making over 100k a year with my company, and I am setting it up with employees to run without my daily presence. 
+
+I want children and I want to live an existence that is fulfilling. The U.S. is a niggerfied cultural wasteland. 
+
+The Philippines seems like a good place have a side family. What is the cost to maintain them with a good standard of living?
+--- 2416100
+western cape separatism is kinda your best bet. honestly though, america is mostly fine.
+--- 2416101
+>>2383763 (OP)
+Sorry anon, this is as good as it gets.
+--- 2416107
+>>2415810
+We are talking about white Westerners that hate globohomo and marxism. What exactly do you think we would do to "ruin" those places? Keep in mind too that our money goes really far in most of the countries I listed.
+--- 2416110
+>>2416107
+What could possibly go wrong having F&F hype their audience of sociopath PUAsimps, mouth breathing black normies, and jeets with all with American purchasing power? They already completely ruined Colombia basically overnight lmao.
+--- 2416115
+>>2416087
+>I don't know if abandoning all U.S. infrastructure is a strategically sound choice.
+Based take. You're in a position to where you could fund and provide aid to anti-globohomo causes in the West from the safety of another country. Living outside of your country and abandoning it are two different things.
+>I am really close to making over 100k a year with my company
+Fucking incredibly based, that's badass anon.
+>The Philippines seems like a good place have a side family. What is the cost to maintain them with a good standard of living?
+With your money it would be pocket change to you. You could have 5 families in the Phillipines if you wanted to.
+--- 2416117
+>>2416115
+>Fucking incredibly based, that's badass anon.
+
+thanks dude. i started a company with a couple thousand dollars and a friend in 2016. I have evolved into using industrial machinery. I survived covid because all my supplies are domestic from the U.S. I would be better off if COVID did ass rape the cost of warehouse space. 
+
+> You could have 5 families in the Phillipines if you wanted to.
+
+>The average salary in the Philippines was PHP 161,847.60/year ($3,218).
+>The median salary in the Philippines was PHP 655,200/year ($12,955).
+
+interesting. does $1,000 a month get you some degree of loyalty and respect?
+--- 2416121
+>>2416110
+Black normie tourists and similiar types of degenerates do not know how to properly invest and thus will blow all of their money. This thread isn't about dumb tourists, it's about actual Westerners that want to move to and live in other countries to get away from such degeneracy.
+--- 2416123
+>>2390501
+>yeah bro as long as we just vote out our president the country will be fixed!! 
+>just work to change that!
+lmao
+--- 2416127
+>>2416117
+>does $1,000 a month get you some degree of loyalty and respect?
+It would definitly make a Phillipino woman very very happy kek. My understanding is that the fact that you are a hardworking, sucessful man will gain you respect in the Phillipines as they have not been cucked by feminism.
+--- 2416151
+>>2390501
+I know plenty of conservatives that live in Libtard states and all of them hate it and complain about it constantly.
+--- 2416156
+>>2416123
+This, what happens once the older generations die off and all that's left are deranged millenial and Gen Z communists? Even if Trump wins in 2024 we are still fucked, and now is the perfect time to leave while the dollar still has value.
+--- 2416162
+>>2416121
+Yes, they invest their money into showering it on dumb sluts and make the women of whatever country they go to as terrible and demanding as American women over time, thus completely destroying the country.
+--- 2416380
+>>2416087
+>The Philippines seems like a good place have a side family. What is the cost to maintain them with a good standard of living?
+Come impregnate a filipina and start a neighborhood with me. 
+
+t.moved to philippines last year
+AMA
+--- 2416393
+>>2404130
+What sort of online teaching do you do? ESL?
+--- 2416445
+>>2416380
+How do you make a living?
+--- 2416589
+>>2415586
+>Romania
+>India
+>Kenya
+Lol. Lmao
+--- 2416590
+>>2384528
+>this is how the based anti-establishment Westerners treat you
+And you wonder why we're done. Even if the psychos running the country are ousted, there's zero chance the boomers, conservatives, and people like you are going to spend even a second thinking about making my life better. You'll immediately revert to the same boo hoo solve your own problems crap we already hear. My life is not yours to spend. But by all means, continue trying to tan in the setting sun.
+--- 2416920
+>>2416162
+>Yes, they invest their money into showering it on dumb sluts
+Buying hookers you mean? That's still putting money into the economies of those countries. Countries can also just ban prostitution if their people dislike it.
+>and make the women of whatever country they go to as terrible and demanding as American women over time
+I've never heard of this happening anywhere. If anything I've heard people such as yourself complain about Americans.
+>thus completely destroying the country
+PFFFFFFFFFFT ok, you need take a break from the internet.
+--- 2416929
+If the USA is a corrupt shithole, then so is every other country on Earth. You will see far more corruption, degradation and retarded urban planning in the developing world. But food and accomodations are far more unique and attractive, provided by real human owner/operators instead of mega corporation employee robots.
+--- 2416933
+>>2416929
+Maybe the US is just more corrupt than other countries.
+--- 2416936
+>>2416933
+Maybe it's because we're the only country that matters on the planet. People love to hate us cause they'd love to be us.
+--- 2417027
+Funny how Americans who never left their country thinks its better somewhere else. Not a single nigger here mention any country yeah I wonder why. Maybe post your list next time OP so we can make fun of you.
+--- 2417035
+>>2416929
+Anon, every country is corrupt. The only difference is that you can afford the corruption in other countries. At home you're the equivalent of the third-world peasant who's priced out of the bribes lawyers, landowners, and army colonels use to get VIP treatment.
+--- 2417146
+>>2416920
+This isn’t about guys that fuck hookers, but puasimps that watch F&F and think they are above that, but find a way to pay the same women more money because they’re so alpha bro. They base their entire life around dancing like a monkey for women because in American culture it is impossible to have any validation that is not via women’s approval. Everyone has said that these guys completely ruined Colombia.
+--- 2417161
+>>2389287
+>1 year visa free and you can get residency by just buying some real estate.
+>woah that's like a hack, aren't you a full EU citizen at that point??
+Sorry for taking bait, if I have just taken bait, but a) residency is not the same thing as citizenship; and b) Albania is still a lot of years away from getting into the EU. Serbia and Montenegro are likely to make it in sooner, but even they have lots of weird Balkan mess to clean up before they can be seamlessly integrated into the EU’s unique and uniform species of mess.
+
+Regarding residency vs. citizenship, there are multiple residency programs that will get you into actual EU countries (Portugal and Italy have some of the easier ones, and I think there’s a new one in Spain), but none of them offer the freedom of movement that is available to actual citizens. Permanent non-citizen residents in Portugal or Italy don’t have the automatic right to live/work in France, etc. It’s the same when a rich expat from the US or Canada gets residency in a European country for their job—it doesn’t come with the right to live or work in any other country.
+
+>t. American permanent resident in Europe
+>Do not have the right to move to another country
+--- 2417391
+>>2417146
+>puasimps that watch F&F
+I don't understand what that means
+>ecause in American culture it is impossible to have any validation that is not via women’s approval
+I'm an American and I believe women should not have the right to vote.
+>Everyone has said that these guys completely ruined Colombia.
+Who is everyone? You're making the claim that an entire country is ruined because a handful of faggots showed up and paid for pussy. That's absurd, just tell the Columbians you know to beat up some tourists and slap their women more.
+--- 2417393
+>>2417027
+Taiwan, Switzerland, Finland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, South Korea, and Japan are all countries that are superior to most US states. The United States is clearly going down hill, just compare how things are now to how they were 20-30 years ago. Getting out early is smart because the dollar still has value right now.
+--- 2417395
+>>2416589
+Your money goes way further there and those countries will not be shitholes for long. Their economies have been growing at a steady rate and you could definitly make a profit if you purchased real estate in the less wealtht places I listed. In Turkey you can even gain citizenship by investing in real estate which gives you a second passport. Think about that.
+--- 2417404
+>>2415586
+>>2416589
+>>2417395
+Nairobi sounds pretty good, I'm visiting there this summer.
+
+Also idk what you mean by "globohomo", but I'd add Japan to the list purely due to a deflationist housing market and cheap COL (even in Tokyo but especially outside of it). I'm actually moving there in September; I can't stand the insane food prices and insane housing prices here in Canada. (This is from a Canadian standpoint; maybe housing and food is cheaper in your neck of the woods, but compared to Canadian metro areas Japan is considerably cheaper in all aspects).
+--- 2417459
+USA still the best in the west
+USA > Canada > Australia > Japan > Europe
+--- 2417464
+>>2417459
+>USA
+Recently had a presidential election rigged by criminals. The people therr are obsessed with race and gender.
+>Canada
+Stripped rights away from anybody who didn't get vaccinated. Throws people in jail for saying mundane things like "there are only two genders".
+>Australia
+Threw unvaccinated people in camps. Also imprisons people for "hate speech" just like Canada does.
+>Japan
+Yes
+>Europe
+Which countries? Eastern Europe or Western Europe?
+--- 2417472
+>>2416445
+>How do you make a living?
+Remote software engineer. also held 200 ETH at one point
+--- 2417474
+>>2417464
+USA is the only Western country where it is possible for someone to accumulate wealth and be successful try doing that in Canada or Europe where the wages are low and the tax rate is high. Germans make as much as minimum wage workers in the US because the tax rate is so high but Germany is more expensive than the USA. 
+Censorship and government control is worse outside of the USA since states have more rights. EU and Canada are the WEF testing grounds, probably the first areas to be forced to eat bugs.
+--- 2417528
+>>2383763 (OP)
+You stupid fuck, I'm trying to move TO the US. You fucks have no clue how good you have it, and how free you really are.
+>t. leaf
+--- 2417561
+>>2417161
+>residency is not the same thing as citizenship
+no fucking shit, Sherlock>>2417161
+>Albania is still a lot of years away from getting into the EU
+why would you want to be a subject of the EU?
+--- 2417565
+>>2415586
+>The UAE
+anon, I...
+--- 2417572
+>>2417474
+Germany is not more expensive than the US retard.
+--- 2417588
+>>2417561
+>why would you want to be a subject of the EU?
+I mostly wouldn’t, apart from appreciating the prospect of free movement within the Union; it would make me more competitive for European jobs and offer me greater flexibility as to where I could live. I enjoy many things in Europe (among other places). 
+
+But my post was simply specifically responding to a (perhaps trolling) comment about how residence in Albania was essentially the same as EU citizenship. They’re extremely different, as you know. I wasn’t advocating for anything, just correcting someone being wrong on the Internet.
+
+It’s all off topic anyhow; this shit thread is about escaping “the West,” so moving to the EU wouldn’t cut it. Albania might, actually—it’s only barely Europe, whatever the maps say.
+--- 2417591
+>>2417572
+>Germany is not more expensive than the US retard.
+
+This. Food and housing are cheaper, higher/professional education and medical care are much cheaper (OTC drugs can be more expensive, though, with a slightly more limited range available). 
+
+Anything to do with driving (cars, fuel, insurance) is more expensive, and some consumer products may be slightly more expensive (household appliances and some electronics come to mind), but overall COL in Germany is at least a little lower than the US unless you’re comparing it to the very cheapest parts of the States, which seldom have much to offer anyway.
+
+>t. American who lives on the German border and shops there a lot
+--- 2417649
+>>2417474
+>USA is the only Western country where it is possible for someone to accumulate wealth and be successful
+That's not true at all.
+>try doing that in Canada or Europe where the wages are low and the tax rate is high
+There are countries outside of the West that are literally tax havens. Why would I move into a shitty race-obsessed Western country that will go full on 1984 in 20 years?
+>Censorship and government control is worse outside of the USA since states have more rights
+Believe it or not there are countries that don't give a fuck about what you say or do. In the United States you might have constitutional rights but there are many places where the police will tailgait you until they find some bullshit reason to pull you over. That's why people call the US a police state.
+>EU and Canada are the WEF testing grounds
+Right, and we're next. That is why I am leaving the USA.
+--- 2417826
+It's not even greener pastures I just genuinely don't like American people or culture. Everyone's the hapless descendant of some slave Scotch Irish or African and all cultural reference points revolve around pornographic corporate smart phone applications.
+--- 2417879
+>>2417528
+America isn't much better than Canada, but I will admit it is better. It does have its own problems, though. Enough so that I would never consider moving there.
+
+Moving out of Canada still though, just not to the US.
+
+t. Leaf
+--- 2418045
+I just want to escape all the migrants (especially blacks). I am a citizen or Canada and the UK, so I'm basically fucked as these countries will both ramp up African immigration. If the UK didn't leave the EU I would have went to Central/Eastern Europe but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, the faggots decided to leave. So now I'm stuck in these two migrant dystopias.
+--- 2418083
+>>2417826
+This. I don’t know if there is anywhere in the world that has the same level of dull soulessness and extreme boredom mixed with existential dread. Also most young people especially women are even more insufferable.
+--- 2418101
+>>2383763 (OP)
+East Coast posting. Head out to the rural west fag.
+--- 2418208
+>lived here for 6 months
+>clean streets not filled with fucking shit or syringes 
+>no niggers 
+>no beaners
+>no fags/trannies everywhere
+>no tents full of crazy people
+>somehow labeled a 3rd world shithole while America is a 1st world prosperous nation
+Not even going to bother telling you where I live since you idiots don't know anything beyond your borders.
+--- 2418210
+>>2418208
+No need to tell, that's most of the world outside a few select cities in America.
+--- 2418221
+>>2418208
+That could apply to a lot of countries. Americans are so fucking dumb putting up with what shit their "1st world" country flings at them.
+--- 2418223
+>>2418221
+Right. There's the excuses about a few nice areas still existing if you just look hard enough, or labeling other countries as worse. These are only coming from those who are terribly sour minded. 
+
+They would have us believe that no matter how bad it is here, as long as some other country can be found where life is worse, even if that country is a literal toxic waste land, then we should celebrate. 
+I cannot wrap my mind around the logic failures of some of these people, and can only conclude that these people have just given up.
+--- 2418242
+>>2418045
+Dude, fuck off. I was born in the UK went back to my home city and I remember going on a bus all you hear is fucking Polish and Italian. It's the same shit all the locals are GONE. I don't care if the replacements are white, my ancestors did not fight in wars for worthless slavs to steal it.
+
+>>2418208
+All of this applies to Canada, especially Vancouver x10. Except throw in chinks and pajeets alongside the spics and niggers.
+--- 2418345
+>>2418208
+Okay, where do you live?
+--- 2418358
+>>2418345
+กรุงเทพ
+--- 2418432
+>>2418242
+Other Europeans are infinitely better than non-Europeans. 
+Did you vote for Brexit? If so you have caused me to be stuck in these two shitholes.
+--- 2418434
+>>2418358
+How do you cope with the fact that everyone thinks you're a sex-pest?
+--- 2418437
+>>2383763 (OP)
+I own 20 acres outside Des Moines, I don't need to leave.
+>b-but walkable cities!
+I can drive 20 minutes south and not see a single business.
+>Fly over!
+I know.
+>No job opportunities, and you can't get real coffee
+I make $60k, peanuts to New York but I live extremely comfortably here. I can drive 15 min to a yuppie cafe downtown that isn't goybucks.
+
+You can have this life too, anon. 10k an acre, which is rather pricey, but shop around and check auctions. Wait for mom and dad to die, or move out of whatever shithole you likely pay way too much for and enjoy the ghetto life for a few years while raking in that dough. Maybe that ghetto will be full of people like you, and become a rather nice gentrified area in time, where you won't have to leave.
+Also no where else in the world is this good if you don't have marketable skills or fuck-you money. Good luck enjoying any quality of life in Europe or Asia if you can't practice medicine or work for a multinational conglomerate.
+--- 2418459
+>>2418434
+By not giving a fuck.
+--- 2418460
+>>2418434
+NTA but the internet causes people to overestimate how much criticism they're going to get. You know how being abrasive and demanding can actually be good for your career compared to being the quiet workhorse because you'll be noticed more and people who ask are more likely to receive? That applies to life as a whole. If you just come across as an energetic person, even a party animal, people will like you more for it. It's not like you have to go around telling everyone you're there exclusively to creampie teenage boys.
+--- 2418482
+>waaaaagh I'm a doomer gloomer who can't stop obsessing about trannies and black dicks
+>Global homos have ruined my life
+,>I know, I'm going to move to le heckin based russia, that will sort me out
+--- 2419769
+>>2417528
+>You stupid fuck, I'm trying to move TO the US. You fucks have no clue how good you have it, and how free you really are.
+Oh don't worry. I know I still had it much better than cucked leafs
+I moved to southeast asia with a $230k/year remote job.
+--- 2419775
+>>2384528
+Your ancestors did this
+--- 2419885
+>>2418482
+I moved away from niggers and my life significantly improved. Next I shall move away from globohomo. Bye!
+--- 2419887
+>>2418482
+USA has the nicest trannies with the biggest blackest cocks. Heaven on Earth for the chud.
+--- 2419888
+>>2419885
+
+The global homos WILL find you and they WILL turn you into a homo. You can't run away from it.
+--- 2419929
+>>2419888
+--- 2419952
+the thing about leaving the US is that after you visit enough countries, you start to realize this is one of the only non-shithole places on earth. there's a reason most of the rest of the world would kill to live here. your best bet is to move to a state with a majority white population and buy some land. if you actually care about improving your place of residence after that point, get involved with local government
+--- 2419969
+>>2417565
+It has minimal taxes and some jobs will pay you extra to work there if you just want to maximize consooming in a super suburb. But it really doesn't seem worth it.
+--- 2420120
+>>2383763 (OP)
+The sad, terrible news is, where ever you go, there you are. You can't run away from you, and your post screams that your problem is who you are, not where you are.
+--- 2420145
+>>2411007
+That's because they're not trying to that video is from Russia Ztard
+--- 2420186
+>>2395666
+>purchase real estate in turkey. 
+Yeah I hear there are a lot of cheap lots for sale now.
+--- 2420201
+>>2419952
+>your best bet is to move to a state with a majority white population and buy some land.
+Any recommendations?
+--- 2420355
+>>2385961
+Yeah, but those same Boomers made that society in order to destroy it. You are coping. Claiming something is fucked is an excuse not to do anything, and even an excuse to act like a jackass.
+--- 2420365
+>>2417035
+I'd never thought of it that way, but you're right that "anti-corruption" is the raising of corruption's price floor
+There's also a level of power where states just need to woo you to the extent that they simply won't make problems, will make accommodations etc., which I don't think would even be corruption in most definitions. Just swanning above the world.
+--- 2420841
+>>2418223
+>Americans have given up.
+--- 2420931
+can i just buy a one way ticket to europe from america and stay there with no prior paperwork? maybe become a asylum seeker/refugee? maybe get some free housing or something?
+--- 2420971
+>>2420931
+>can i just buy a one way ticket to europe from america and stay there with no prior paperwork? 
+Depends on where in Europe. But for the Schengen area (most of EU plus a couple of non-EU countries—the bits of Europe that share border control), you’re welcome to do that for up to 90 days without incident. You can get longer than that in some places that are still technically Europe (six months in the UK, up to a year in Albania, and although I think there are forms to fill out in Albania to get a full year, you don’t have to do it in advance).
+>maybe become a asylum seeker/refugee? 
+Oh, look, it’s this again. Your stupidity dissected in detail below because I have the time.
+--- 2420973
+>>2420971
+Asylum seekers and refugees are legally totally different. You have no chance of ever qualifying as a refugee, because that requires forced displacement, which is not taking place out of the US. If the new civil war that /pol/ likes to jerk off fantasizing about were actually to break out and your house got bombed you might have a shot, but I wouldn’t count on it. Asylum status is a lot more nuanced, but you might get a few months in the system if you could make a credible case that your life was politically endangered. Which it isn’t, obviously, but there’s a backlog, so it might take authorities a while to prove that you’re full of shit and deport you.
+>maybe get some free housing or something?
+People get a hell of a lot less than /pol/ fantasizes that they do. In most countries you get put in a camp or locked up detention center while you get processed, if you don’t have any money (it’s also possible to come in and stay wherever you can on your own dime while doing the paperwork). Nobody “gives” you a normal apartment until your status is approved, and even then it’s not free, nor does it typically come from the government, because there’s a shortage of ‘social housing’ everywhere (you’ll probably have to con an amalgamation of private charities and NGOs while conning the government simultaneously to get the shitty cheap digs some refugees get).
+
+Note that to make this work in Europe you have to make sure that you can get directly to wherever you hope to apply, without passing through anywhere that would be considered a safe third country. If you were to attempt to fly to Sweden via a transfer in Frankfurt, for example, the Swedes would reject you and deport you back to Germany to try your luck there.
+--- 2421021
+>>2388613
+I have a few friends who fell into money and are doing this.
+It sounds rad as shit honestly, they live in villas, they rent them out to rich people as Albania is basically cheap greece/croatia and it's tourism is starting to skyrocket.
+I went with one of them to the Albanian embassy here in london though and l m a o. You know Flight of the Conchords and Murrays office is the NZ embassy with those shitty posters on the wall like "NZ... Rocks!" with a picture of some rocks? That is exactly what the Albanian embassy is like. 
+
+>>2383763 (OP)
+I really want to do white monkey jobs in China if they still exist. I'm also not a butthurt Western supremacist like Serpentza and Laowhy so I would happily do it.
+Getting flown around to be a white guy and sit in suits, while then getting paid to get "massages" on business trips. Fuck yeah.
+--- 2421078
+>>2415586
+>20 places and not one of them is my country that's 99% white, great quality of food, drinkable tap water, culture that goes back thousands of years, well-balanced climate, still easy to live like a king on a minimal Western wage 
+Good.
+--- 2421312
+>>2390856
+Unemployment rate at 3.6% nigga.
+https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
+--- 2421476
+>>2415586
+But these are the countries that don't accept Bitcoin so the value of crypto is worthless to them. Then do your best to "escape" before the petrodollar collapses because nobody in those countries want white people. They will accept probably just white girls who are willing to work as prostitutes.
+--- 2421585
+>>2395242
+But what about money to travel?
+--- 2421655
+>>2421312
+That's of people looking for work, 30% of the labor force has checked out which isn't counted in that statistic
+--- 2421656
+>be me
+>get good stable job in a shit city
+>pass different shops and cafes on my way to work
+>notice one has boarded up its door
+>office I work at is starting to effect a fence and gate around the building
+
+I just applied to an ALT position in Japan. If I take this, I won't be making even a third as much as I do now.
+Am I retarded?
+--- 2421671
+>>2411488
+>Russian propaganda
+What was your take after they found out that the "Trump is a Russian plant" thing came directly from Hilary's lawyer? inb4 omg trump supporter, incel chud blah blah, I'm genuinely curious how your unbroken mind sees this ubiquitous yet completely undefinable Russian propaganda. Is it in the room with us right now?
+--- 2421672
+>>2395480
+Nigger
+--- 2421674
+>>2417404
+>I'm actually moving there in September
+How? Job? Citizenship by descent? Japan seems to be locked down as far as emigration is concerned.
+--- 2421692
+>>2421674
+>locked down
+Where'd you get that from? If you've got a job, they can get you a visa
+--- 2421927
+>>2421672
+Rent free. Lmao.
+--- 2422945
+So what is the timeframe for when America's abuse of its reserve currency status and the petrodollar going to catch up with it? If the dollar becomes worthless, you can't just retire - you want somewhere nice to live and work.
+--- 2422951
+>>2422945
+
+At least 50 years. The happeningooners will tell you the shit is about to collapse every day until they’re eventually right but right now we’re just riding out the boom bust cycle while the (boogeymen) consolidate power and steal wealth from everyone else. They’re going to steal all of Russia’s natural resources next
+--- 2422966
+>>2422951
+An empire can have a pretty long half-life, just look at the UK, who BTFO'd themselves by 1945, but people still want to move there.
+--- 2423208
+>>2383763 (OP)
+i've been living in serbia and montenegro for a bit. it's been life changing. still have to come back for family but otherwise im outta here
+--- 2423708
+>>2417528
+Listen leaf bro the US is better not gonna lie but don’t do it your jumping out of the frying pan into the slightly less hot frying pan. 
+
+Figure out how to get off the stove entirely
+--- 2423712
+Americans on here acting as if they suffer. Americans have life on easy mode. Where else in the world is better? Police state Canada or Australia? Europe or Japan where the people make 30k/yr and live in one bedroom cuckbox apartments? Third world shitholes?
+--- 2424099
+>>2422966
+This is what people need to understand. America is one of the most powerful empires in history. Since its inception, it's been a superpower. This can't be refuted. It staved off British invasion twice. Its geography is just that OP. The decline will be a slow burn, not an explosion. If you refute this you are sub-70.
+--- 2424100
+>>2423712
+Western men are insanely mentally fragile.
+--- 2424122
+>>2423712
+the US has its pros and cons. here's the thing, if you are "average" in the US, in terms of intelligence, ambition, talent, etc. then the US fucking sucks. but if you are even slightly to the right of the bell curve its a land of riches and prosperity. really the biggest downside to the US is the women because of obesity and entitlement.
+--- 2424151
+>>2424122
+Isn't this a good thing? If smarter population ends up successful then the US is practicing soft eugenics.
+--- 2424165
+>>2424151
+No.
+
+There's a a strong inverse correlation between academic attainment, intelligence, and fertility. It's been this way for decades.
+--- 2424167
+>>2383763 (OP)
+why do u niggers fall for this bait, OP has been doing this for the past 2 years. also made the same about china
+--- 2424226
+>>2383763 (OP)
+Believe in yourself!
+https://twitter.com/quirkedwhiteboy/status/1636811683527299072
+--- 2424246
+>>2424151
+I don't know how you can look at the US over the last 70 years and conclude that it's practicing eugenics.
+--- 2424264
+>>2395475
+In their own words...
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf3Bf3iUGU4 [Embed]
+--- 2425517
+>>2383763 (OP)
+>murrican LARPing about moving abroad
+You ain't gonna do shit faggot
+--- 2426694
+>>2392087
+Right, and looks like things are scheduled to continue getting worse.
+--- 2426731
+>>2392087
+>call the repair man
+I pray every day.
+--- 2426915
+>>2424100
+Blacks, Jews, and Asians are extremely fragile.
+--- 2428277
+Some can see now that it would be better to head elsewhere. For others maybe they are able to see this at a later time.
+--- 2430075
+>>2420931
+Always worth a try IMO. How good are you at being persuasive?
+--- 2431400
+Fill up your gas tank, and drive to the next continent in a boat.
+--- 2432140
+>>2424122
+This, and that gap is getting bigger every year with inflation. Poor, middle, and now lower level upper classes are paying the bills for the mid to high level upper classes. Something is going to buckle to fix it, and the people in charge dont want to let anything break.
+I was talking with a friend about buying a house. He said that its kind of sad how we are hoping for an economic downturn just so we can afford a home.
+--- 2432171
+down with usa
+--- 2432263
+>>2416380
+>t.moved to philippines last year
+
+how is it? what is a good budget per month? how much money do I need to go there an not worry for a few years?
+--- 2432275
+>>2407318
+I'm glad we no longer have rivers so polluted they get set on fire
+--- 2432343
+What about the czech republic
+--- 2433343
+bump
+--- 2433344
+>>2416380
+are the stories about JBW true?
+--- 2433401
+>Japan buying Russian oil
+Unless the US can actually hold something important over the head of everyone else, like semi-conductor production, it's over. This is especially true since the same gaggle of incompetents that set this blunder into motion will still be in charge for the rest of the 20s.
+
+Now is not the best time to jump ship, especially if you work in tech, which is extremely well paid relative to most of the world. But I think the 2030s will be dicey.
+--- 2434139
+>>2387766
+>>2388236
+dumb shitskins just proved his point. suck of andrew tate some more and go back to /pol/ you sandniggers.
+>>2390501
+go to a first world country and it'll change your outlook. either be helpful or fuck off. leaving the west is a decent move.
+>>2384528
+>who's never stood up for anything in my life and runs from hardship
+what's the alternative, retard? let me guess, murder suicide? fuck off dumb stormfront bastard.
+--- 2434140
+>>2423712
+we don't even have healthcare and are plagued by mass shootings. parents literally have all their kids gunned down in schools and are left with up to $150,000 of debt in medical and funeral costs. regularly.
+--- 2434153
+>>2407318
+nice blogpost faggot but your country isn't special
+--- 2435587
+An ugly country OP.
+--- 2436232
+>>2423712
+I always advocate for people trying to own a house or something in a different country these days though, its what rich people do because yeah its slightly schizo but eventually you'll get tired of all this and want to go somewhere else or perhaps its a culture thing and want to try and assimilate to another culture. Theres nothing wrong with that, its only wrong when americans believe that any other country will be vastly better wholesale. American certainly has issues but on the international scale its the most "balanced" out of all countries
+--- 2436420
+Nigger are you serious? America has some of the most pristine nature in the world and land in states like Montana and Wyoming are dirt cheap. Just buy 10 acres for $50k and build a house/park a trailer on it if you want to escape niggers so much. Or alternatively move to Maine or New Hampshire and live in a 90%+ white city. 
+
+But you won’t do wither of those things because you’re a little bitch and also probably brown. 
+
+Picrel is literally the view from my back porch.
+--- 2436487
+Considering leaving Canada when I get my degree but where else is there to go?
+Canada's pretty much the best country on Earth.
+--- 2436549
+>>2436420
+You're not finding land in Montana anywhere you'd actually want to live for that cheap. Sorry bucko.
+
+T. Montanan
+--- 2437917
+>>2436232
+Good idea. Could be as an investment or just a distant getaway.
+--- 2439460
+>>2436420
+Everything is a big scam. You don't actually own the land or you wouldn't be paying taxes on it.
+--- 2439475
+>>2436420
+You talking with basement incel who really think life in countries like russia or southeast asia is great. Sadly they never went through with their retarded plan
+--- 2440155
+>>2385916
+Kek

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+-----
+--- 2397214
+What are the best places for a well-off young guy to live in America?
+--- 2397215
+Colorado 
+Jupiter FL 
+Dallas
+Montana
+--- 2397217
+What are the best places for a young guy with no qualifications or money to reboot his life
+--- 2397260
+>>2397214 (OP)
+Santa Monica
+--- 2397300
+>>2397215
+where in colorado? im considering moving there, its between colorado and miami. I wanna finish my degree t. 25 year old guy with a bit of money from crypto 
+
+goal is to join the guard in a sof unit and finish college and bang women and neet otherwise.
+--- 2397381
+>>2397217
+join the military
+--- 2397382
+>>2397300
+>guard
+>sof
+kek
+just go active duty if you think you can do sof
+--- 2397390
+>>2397214 (OP)
+Washington, DC
+
+Dating market favors men. Several universities, plus immigrant pussy, plus tourists. You can fuck across the USA, the entire globe, all in your own backyard. 
+
+Outside of women, there are always a bunch of entertainment options, from sports ,to theater, to concerts.
+--- 2397512
+>>2397390
+>>Dating market favors men.
+how so?
+--- 2397523
+NYC
+--- 2397573
+>>2397390
+>Dating market favors men.
+Really? It's not like New York, where every goddamn cow is "busy with work" until she gets dropped by Chad?
+--- 2397574
+>>2397512
+>>2397573
+Not that anon but live in DC. The city has more women than men but it's a lot of initially career women. They all come in and don't take relationships seriously until they're in their mid 20s and then they all want a relationship. I'll put it this way, I'm balding and mediocre looking and I've never had more success dating than here.
+--- 2397578
+>>2397574
+interesting. so are all the women basically post-wall liberal career-oriented roasties? that isn't appealing. but i do like the idea of all the foreign women being there. i was once in DC on business and matched with an insanely lot jap woman but when i told her i didn't live there she lost interest
+--- 2397579
+>>2397578
+>lot
+hot
+--- 2397580
+>>2397578
+Tons of foreign women given the embassy presence here. Korean population is much larger than the Japanese.
+--- 2397678
+>>2397381
+I'm not looking for that kind of thing.
+--- 2397681
+The Balboa Peninsula in Newport Beach California. Zero violent crime. No homeless people. Perfect weather. One of the best beaches in the US. Close to literally everything. Endless outdoor activities. 10/10 women. I lived there for 8 years. I fucking loved it. The only rea downside is that everyone is constantly renovating their houses. The city literally gives away free money for people to maintain there houses. Everyone on my block was offered $40,000 from the city with no strings attached to do any outdoor beautification project anyone wanted to do.
+--- 2397690
+>>2397578
+>interesting. so are all the women basically post-wall liberal career-oriented roasties?
+
+No. Did you catch the first lart of ehat he said? The pre-wall ones don't take relationships seriously, but there are more women than men. What rhat means for you is there are ample numbers of college aged women who are looking to have sex/have a good time that aren't looking for a relationship. Do be aware that the Asian ones often are, unless rebellious. Tbh, what they are looking for doesn't matter. They'll all open their legs in pursuit of it.
+--- 2397736
+>>2397725
+>the dating scene is crazy since year everyone is a 10/10 striver, so that means if you are just average you are basically hideous next to rich kids with designer clothes and plastic surgery
+This is some real shit. I went to an Ivy League school and the dating scene was insane. Competing with 10/10 millionaire Chads mothered by generations of trophy wives. 
+
+Look at Conor Kennedy. 6'5 with a handsome face and daddy's money in the bank. He fucked Taylor Swift when he was in high school. And there are plenty like him. We're all just slaves funding the dividends that go into their trust funds. I never stood a chance.
+--- 2397932
+>>2397727
+When did I say any of that man. I don't have any interest in those things. I just want to find somewhere nice to live and I'll work a menial job
+--- 2397936
+>>2397727
+>military
+>work
+>hard
+lol
+The only reason the military is appealing is because of the free handouts for minimal work. Healthcare rest of your life, 20k sign bonus, free education, the nepotism of being military so in more cases than not your little title plus whatever education you gained you'll have a leg up on "civy" candidates. BUT if you're halfway intelligent you have to accept you're willingly labeling yourself an amerigolem zogbot contributing to his governmental and corporate overlords.
+--- 2397946
+>>2397215
+>Dallas
+Hahahahah
+Hahahahahahaha
+Haha. Lol. Lmao even.
+--- 2398429
+Is Pittsburgh decent?
+--- 2398436
+>>2397578
+>with an insanely lot jap woman but when i told her i didn't live there she lost interest
+my brother in christ, your date was a spy
+--- 2398442
+>>2397936
+>BUT if you're halfway intelligent you have to accept you're willingly labeling yourself an amerigolem zogbot contributing to his governmental and corporate overlords.
+They're generous with benefits because they have to be. Otherwise free people in a wealthy society wouldn't put up with it. They get their money's worth out of you. 
+
+I know a girl who signed up for the National Guard. They're paying for her school and she was living large because she still lives with her mom. Then one day, they told her she has to drop everything for a year and patrol the border with Mexico. She signed up for the Guard in a blue state. Who would have thought they'd send her to Texas, of all fucking places? Now she has to waste a year of her life in some desert shithole, hours away from any city. And what happens if the whole Ukraine thing turns into a shooting war involving us? What if the gooks invade Taiwan? 
+
+You can make more money than you would in the armed forces easily if you just make something of yourself. Community college is cheap, you do two years and come out a plumber. Now you make almost six figures, and you don't have to live somewhere expensive either. You can take those classes at night if you have a job. Or you can get a commercial driving license and become a trucker even faster. Don't sign up to become a zogbot.
+--- 2398443
+>>2397214 (OP)
+Wherever your friends and loved ones are
+--- 2398444
+>>2398442
+>bro just go to college
+Fuck offff
+--- 2398450
+>>2398444
+I was talking about becoming a plumber you mongoloid. I never dreamed you would be smart enough to benefit in any way from enrolling in a real college. 
+
+The truth is you'll never make it, because you're a bitter little faggot. The world doesn't owe you a goddamn thing. That's a commie mindset. Grow a pair. Become a man. Make something of yourself.
+--- 2398483
+>>2398450
+I have no clue how you derived any of this Anon. You keep making weird assumptions.
+--- 2398484
+how do you even pick a city to go to? every city just seems awful. but I can't move anywhere rural yet
+Holy fuck being born an urbanite sucks
+--- 2398530
+>>2397946
+The DFW area is massive and has plenty of nice areas for wealthy people. Lots to do.
+--- 2398532
+>>2397736
+>fucked taylor swift
+lol so what she's a skinny titless 6/10 caked in makeup
+--- 2398534
+>>2397300
+I'd avoid the immediate area around Denver unless you're a city fag who has to live in the hustle and bustle. There are some nice spots in Arvada or Castle Rock that are like 30 min from downtown Denver and not quite as expensive. Denver is way overpriced because everyone moves there from the Midwest to be close to skiing. A middling starter home that needs work is $500k in most of Denver, $600k in the nice areas.
+--- 2398632
+>>2398532
+--- 2398663
+>>2397736
+taylor swift said she lost her virginity to jake gyllenhal actually
+--- 2398686
+>>2398632
+She's not hot
+--- 2399042
+>>2398429
+I moved to Pittsburgh recently.
+
+Pros:
+>beautiful skyline and scenery
+>cool neighborhoods that have different feels
+>lots of green spaces/parks
+>sort of underrated although the yuppy culture is starting to creep in
+>really fucking safe in most areas. if you arent a total clueless dumbass you arent getting robbed or hurt here
+>lots of cool day trips within driving distance
+>good city for biking and drivers are not bad compared to other places
+>housing is dirt cheap for the value like seriously buy a house here
+
+Cons:
+>winter sucks and Pittsburgh is the greyest city in the US, more cloudy days than even Seattle, so winter you will be depressed
+>mass transit fucking sucks and theres no usable train system and it can take 20 minutes to drive even 3 miles because of the windy roads/topography. not to mention potholes everywhere
+>townies have a provincial mindset and have never left pennsylvania. worship shit tier things like primanti bros which is inedible
+>economy is based on health/tech monopolies
+>pennsylvania governement is one of the worst in the nation for getting anything done. see: minimum wage still $7.25/hr
+>people here are not attractive on average and anyone worth seriously dating is with their high-school sweetheart
+>its a city but not a big city. meaning there are at least 1-2 excellent restaurants in each category but if you like to constantly try new things this is not NYC or chicago, so hope you somewhat like routine
+
+Could go either way depending:
+>within the city limits is pretty woke liberal, immediately outside is Trump country
+>it is so white here. even the black people are white and there's no good soul food or BBQ to speak of. 
+>about 10 Hispanics total but a good amount of Asians. if you like good latin food or culture youre fucked
+
+Overall if you're looking to settle somewhere long term for a quiet city life with a significant other this is probably the best place in the US right now. If you are young and single maybe maybe not
+--- 2399049
+>>2399042
+forgot to mention the downtown core of Pittsburgh is absolutely a crackhead no-go zone but almost every other neighborhood is extremely safe and livable. I don't think most people would care but if having a dream downtown is important to you dont come here
+--- 2399070
+>>2398663
+She cradle robbed him when he was in high school and she was in her 20's, I never said she lost her virginity to him. There's pictures of them all over the internet. It was kind of weird actually but chad is chad I guess. Meanwhile foids will judge you for hitting on a coed at 27. 
+>>2398686
+That isn't hot but the gook whores posted constantly on this board are 10/10s. Ok.
+--- 2399361
+>>2397946
+Highland Park is one of the wealthiest areas in the country. Uptown is quite nice for a young person but is getting more and more run down.
+--- 2399428
+>>2399049
+>>2399042
+Dang. I'm >>2397217
+ thanks for the reply though
+--- 2399446
+Space station.
+--- 2399450
+>>2397390
+DC here too.
+
+Upsides:
+>epidemic of lonely successful women
+this city is the epitome of successful women who chose career and are now lonely and desperate for dick
+
+>walkable city with a small town feel
+the metro is a lot cleaner than NYC and other subways, and there are plenty of busses and sidewalks everywhere, green spaces and pedestrian areas. some are filled with homeless tents but not too bad. the height limit means no skyscrapers besides virginia, so it feels like an upscale small town though NE/SE DC are the ghetto but you'd hardly ever need to go there
+
+>cream of the crop type of people
+besides the inner city people who have been here for generations, you'll see the men and women from other parts of the country/world all have great spook (((consultant))) jobs and all seem to be /fit/ (because it's so walkable, everyone goes out jogging/cycling). if you are a high value man you'll have a good chance finding someone high value. truly.
+
+>always something going on
+this place has been pretty crazy for the past couple of years with 1/6, BLM, and numerous political events. it's always pretty entertaining. you have all types of political groups coming here. otherwise, there are a lot of museums, music events, holiday markets etc.
+
+>beautiful
+the city was originally designed after Paris and there are a lot of white marble neoclassical buildings. especially the washington monument and capitol building which is always a pleasure to have in the background. the city is especially beautiful in the spring when the cherry blossoms bloom. it complements the buildings nicely and the sidewalks get covered in pink & white pedals. good for date nights. one of the prettiest towns in the country.
+
+>opportunities
+i moved here for university and there are a lot of opportunities, especially if you want to be a contractor and work for/with the gov. i have a remote contract job in my field and the pay is great
+
+Downsides (to be continued)
+--- 2399451
+>>2399450
+>high crime
+but safe in the sense that it is a highly monitored fed district. there are ghetto areas right next to rich areas which is bizarre and there are crackheads and gangbangers lurking about. just don't talk or make eye contact. if you have a car, your tires will probably get stolen and parking is ridiculous.
+
+>boring/sterile
+it's definitely a lot slower than other cities & doesn't really have a culture besides overt neoliberalism unless you're black, in that case you'll have a great time
+
+>weather
+swamp ass weather from may to october. otherwise it's pretty nice & mild. all 4 seasons.
+
+>cost of living
+it can be a little expensive but it's definitely not as expensive as nyc/sf/la. you'll probably get paid more anyway for the cost of living.
+--- 2399503
+>>2399450
+Grew up in nova and lived in Capitol Hill for 3 years at one of those consulting jobs. I might have a tainted view, but DC is not great after the novelty wears off. Because the job market is centered around the gov, you get a very uniform population and a lot of boring types who’s idea of living is brunch every weekend. You will have to deal with dating extreme liberal types but if you’re chad enough it’s not hard to convert them slowly since women don’t really have strong values. Cap hill, Georgetown and the mall are gorgeous. Weather is shit. Nigger fatigue will set in fast. Traffic is shit.
+
+After my stint in DC, I’ve lived alot of other places. I’m in San Diego right now and it’s probably the best spot for alot of reasons, but you need to have money.
+--- 2399539
+>>2399503
+>Grew up in nova and lived in Capitol Hill for 3 years at one of those consulting jobs. I might have a tainted view
+
+
+Reminds me of one of the "Trv rules/laws" from the old days of the board, bygone years.
+To paraphrase:
+"When someone asks about any location, in short order a local will respond with how shit it is " kek
+--- 2399556
+>>2399446
+nobody cares about your "deep" and "insightful" phone notepad ramblings. keep that shit to yourself.
+--- 2399590
+>>2399503
+I have a lifelong friend who ended up in one of these consulting gigs after college in DC. Used to visit him every once in awhile. This guy's spitting facts. 
+
+The thing others have said about it it being full of mid-20's career women desperate for dick is also true. Anecdotally, I made out with a girl at a party my freshman year of college, but she wouldn't give me a chance. Now she's parading a guy who's uglier than me around on Instagram. They don't want to date "beneath" them, they want a professional guy. But the pool of acceptable men willing to text them back the morning after is slim pickings.
+--- 2399595
+>>2399590
+It's worth noting that consulting is a very large field. There is a big gulf between someone working for MBB and someone who's a contractor for Booz.
+--- 2399613
+>>2399595
+That's true. My friend was a footsoldier at some no-name political consulting shop, but he graduated from Brown, so he was still well-connected. And I knew some people from my own alma mater, though the really successful consulting guys ended up in New York, though now they're all over the place since the pandemic, working remotely. 
+
+I wouldn't mind being a partner at a place like Oliver Wyman though. All of these places make a killing off the back of the federal government, since the country's bureaucracy is full incompetent, lazy vermin given political jobs, who cannot be fired. In a way, they serve as a means for the transfer of wealth to the well-connected upper class, justifying the expensive price tags of schools like Andover and Dartmouth, who gatekeep these institutions. 
+
+DC is where the all the nerds who grew up watching the West Wing and Gilmore Girls end up. They dream of power and fame, not necessarily wealth. Think of all the faggots that joined the College Democrats. That's them. New York people are way cooler.
+--- 2399654
+>>2397214 (OP)
+Manhattan
+--- 2399912
+>>2397217
+Houston
+--- 2399998
+>NYC
+>Chicago
+>DC
+>San Diego
+
+I'd say maybe a town in the PNW but shit's getting wacky up there
+--- 2400128
+>>2399998
+>shit's getting wacky up there
+How so
+--- 2400145
+>>2397725
+This thread is about the best places for a well-off young guy, not young guys who intend to work a construction job
+--- 2400658
+>>2397217
+Go find a warehouse job. Tons of places are starting at $20+ per hour these days.
+--- 2400685
+>>2397214 (OP)
+>What are the best places for a well-off young guy to live in America?
+
+if you are interested in finding a gf or fucking girls? 
+NYC. there's no other option really.
+--- 2400703
+>>2400685
+What part of NYC? And how much would you say is well-off enough that it benefits one's sex life?
+--- 2400708
+>>2397214 (OP)
+San Jose if you want urban excitement. The cascades if you want rural escape.
+--- 2400709
+>>2400708
+Brit talking by the way. I've been to america other than eating apple pie for dinner
+--- 2400710
+>>2400708
+>urban excitement
+>San Jose 
+
+incredibly strange person you are
+--- 2402640
+>>2400128
+
+Fuckton of homeless, rampant drug addiction (was always a problem in the region), California-levels of traffic, and high COL. 
+
+Western Washington used to be a nice and relatively quite place. Now it's a shit hole thanks to all the California refugees and the tech transplants. Eastern Washington is still nice for now, but how long is that going to last? Despite making a decent salary and having $100k in savings and securities I can't even afford to buy a decent house in this area. 
+
+t. Seattleite
+--- 2402675
+>>2402664
+
+We can't all live like monks. I just made a career switch and I'm still in the process of padding my resume so that I can move somewhere quieter with a lower COL and where I actually afford to by a house that wasn't previously used as a meth lab.
+--- 2402698
+>>2402664
+hookers aren't a waste of money THOUGH
+--- 2402714
+>>2402710
+
+Keep telling me how I know that you're a NEET who never earned a paycheck in their life. FYI hookers are not one of my vices. WA girls cap out around 6/10 and aren't worth the rates they're advertising.
+--- 2402805
+>>2399595
+I get your point, but Booz was a poor example to use. Being DMV homegrown, they carry prestige in the area, and the government sector at large. Hell, their revenue is higher than Bain. Though Booz is technically a consultant company, they move more like a government contractor.
+--- 2403040
+>>2397300
+>goal is to join the guard in a sof unit and finish college and bang women and neet otherwise.
+based and same it'll take me like 2 years to train running enough to pass selection tho
+>>2397382
+NG candidates have a significantly higher pass rate than AD and there's a bunch of other advantages, plus if you don't like it once you're there it's pretty easy to transfer.
+--- 2403268
+>>2397260
+>>2397681
+This. Having lived in Cali, Colorado, and Washington, I'll say the best places to live are Bellevue WA, Santa Monica, and Newport Beach. Colorado is a bag of shit, I lived in Highlands Ranch for a decade, wanted to kill myself. Bunch of assholes with nothing going for them. 
+>"Dude we got SKIING! We have such a cool city with BARCADES!"
+Fuck that, Denver is 1,000 miles away from anything good. The Rockies are dope no doubt, but the Cascades suffice well enough. Seattle has so much more to offer, and the summers here are elite. No other place beats Chelan in the summer. Cali is 90% shit, but when you are driving with the top down in Santa Monica picking up floosies wearing designer you realize there isn't much more to want out of a 1st world country.
+>>2397725
+>>2397736
+I don't see these as negatives. 
+>"I'm surrounded by 6'5 chads and 10/10 women! Whatever will I do?"
+Sure you have competition but fuck em. Rise to their challenge and become better. I'd rather be mid level with elites than the top of the wagies.
+--- 2403285
+>>2397214 (OP)
+>What are the best places for a well-off young guy to live in America?
+
+literally any rich place is good, all depends on what you like.
+
+for rich people life is fun anywhere 
+
+you like city life? NYC is obviously the place to be
+you like glitz and glamour? LA is the place to be, anywhere along the water is beautiful and has plenty of amenities for the rich.
+you are an intellectual or work in tech? SF is the place to be easily. So many beautiful places in SF it's hard to name one. 
+
+what if you want to get away from the cities?
+Hawaii is beautiful, live on Maui for a bit! 
+
+The opportunities are endless for the wealthy, really the only winning move is to... try it all.
+
+Live in LA, SF, NYC, Florida, Hawaii, Texas, and wherever else you fancy for a bit. Try places out and see what they are like.
+--- 2403513
+>>2397214 (OP)
+>What are the best places for a well-off young guy to live in America?
+
+Winter - Eagle County, CO
+Else - Maui County, HI
+New York Pied-à-terre for broadway visits/season
+--- 2403554
+>>2403268
+>Sure you have competition but fuck em. Rise to their challenge and become better. I'd rather be mid level with elites than the top of the wagies.
+Those are some pretty words, but you can't delude yourself either. This kid pulled a fire alarm his freshman year just to show that he could. The Harvard rugby team is banned from Portugal because he and his bros decided to trash the entire floor of a hotel one night. If I did half the shit he did, I'd have been expelled. I'd probably be in jail. 
+
+Do you know that the US has more income inequality now than France did right before their revolution? They're the lords, we're the peasants. Our society does a good job of hiding that distinction because we're not as simple as our ancestors, but women know the score. Why do you think foreign men get treated like kings when they touch down in some shithole like the Philippines? 
+
+When you're in a community with these guys and competing with them for poon, it ruins everything. Every mid girl that gives you a chance will act like she's God's gift to you. She's made it to the school of her dreams and now she's waiting for her prince charming. But she got pumped and dumped. She's waiting for one of these guys to come to their senses and realize how special she is, and if she settles for you, it'll be out of desperation. There's a resentment and entitlement that you wouldn't have to deal with if you just married your high school sweetheart before you left your shithole hometown.
+--- 2403572
+>>2403268
+Denver is worth it because it has the highest concentration of non fat women in the US.
+--- 2403764
+>>2403572
+Because they can't breathe there
+--- 2403788
+>>2397214 (OP)
+How well off? If you’re truly rich, you can have a good life wherever you choose. New York City is great if you’re loaded. But perhaps you don’t like cities and would prefer an enormous vanity ranch in Montana or Wyoming. It’s nice to be rich in several parts of California, too; I say that from a bit of personal experience, although I wasn’t anywhere near as rich as they get there.
+
+Personally, if I had bottomless money I don’t know if I would live in the USA at all; I would really enjoy being a USD multimillionaire in Spain or Portugal.
+--- 2403799
+>>2397214 (OP)
+Anywhere city where the gender ratio is in favour of women but you still earn more than them. I have a suspicion Colarado, Montana and Dallas type places are sausage fests due to tech workers.
+--- 2403825
+>>2399042
+>>people here are not attractive on average and anyone worth seriously dating is with their high-school sweetheart
+Raised in Ohio and its the same there haha
+--- 2403852
+>>2397512
+Women outnumber men 3:1. Polymorous relationships are also becoming increasingly normalized here. You can have multiple girlfriends and none of them will mind
+--- 2403882
+>>2398686
+you do realize that she still has makeup on here and "no makeup" is a specific makeup look, yes?
+that being said she isn't horrific
+--- 2404033
+>>2403852
+Yeah, the catch is that the only ones who are ok with it want to be poly themselves and fuck other dudes. Gross
+--- 2404105
+>>2403554
+Yeah it's pretty frustrating to deal with these baby-elite types. I think the most frustrating thing about it is that you can go make money for yourself, but you'll never have the connections and special treatment that they get even if their wealth is only middle-class tier. And if you make a single mistake, your entire position in life blows up. Napoleon and Richard Nixon described similar things in their careers and it made me sympathize with them a lot while reading their biographies.
+--- 2404106
+>>2403852
+>Women outnumber men 3:1
+Wtf no way it's actually that bad. I'd believe 1.5:1 but not 3:1.
+--- 2404134
+Is Orlando any good? I'm in Florida now and it seems like a good place in terms of jobs, stuff to do, and perving on college chicks.
+--- 2404276
+>>2403852
+>>2404106
+3:1 does feel high. Women definitely outnumber men here. Then if you factor in the high gay population, the highest percentage in the nation, and the relative minority of "high value men", it's easy pickings for a man like the self-described OP.
+--- 2404287
+>>2404276
+Fuck. I've applied to a few political-type jobs but clearly not enough. Finally a reason to regret changing my major from poli sci to finance.
+--- 2404314
+>>2404287
+You don't need to have majored in poli sci for those jobs. All sorts of people wind up in them. 
+
+The first thing they tell you at campus recruitment events for consulting gigs is to apply no matter what your major is. They'll teach you whatever it is you need to know in order to succeed. The college degree is just there to make sure you can zip up your khakis without getting your dick caught in the fly.
+--- 2404317
+>>2404314
+You sound like you have some experience with this field. Would my industry-finance and data analytics skills translate well to whatever the D.C.-style consultants do? Couldn't justify dropping my whole career to chase girls but if it can be made to work it sounds like an interesting change of pace.
+--- 2404438
+>>2404105
+>Napoleon and Richard Nixon described similar things in their careers and it made me sympathize with them a lot while reading their biographies
+That sounds pretty interesting, of those two which would you recommend reading?
+--- 2404441
+I thought Washington DC was pretty dangerous?
+Isn't the crime rate there really high?
+
+Not that I particularly mind high crime rate, I've lived in Oakland and LA before. It's just that such things make a city feel like a really shitty place to live.
+--- 2404495
+>>2404438
+Conrad Black's Nixon biography is great. There are several good Napoleon biographies and which one you read depends on whether you're more interested in Napoleon the man, the general, or the politician, and how much reading you're up for.
+--- 2404508
+>>2404438
+>>2404495
+Whatever biography of Nixon you read, you have to skip the pozzed Watergate coverage. 
+
+The Watergate break-in was staged by the CIA as a way to get rid of Nixon, it was meant to fail. This is because Nixon wouldn't let the Bush family and powerful oil interests and war hawks in the national defense establishment have their way with the country. 
+
+It's all covered by Family of Secrets, written by Russ Baker. It's not schizo boomer qtard bullshit either. It's well-sourced, and published by Bloomsbury Press. 
+
+Nixon was the last decent president we've ever had. An American hero, really.
+--- 2404711
+>>2404508
+Conrad Black is actually 'pilled on Watergate. He says that had the senate actually judged the things he was accused of in his articles of impeachment he would have been acquitted.
+--- 2404744
+>>2404441
+DC is really bad. The only nice neighborhood is Georgetown and Georgetown is VERY expensive. I lived outside of DC for most of my life and spent countless hours in the city. I have seen more insane crime in DC than in every other place in the US combined. One time we made a wrong turn into a dead end and came face to face with a tranny holding an AK47. Ive seen stabbings, shootings, assaults, riots, robberies, police violence, car jackings, you fucking name it. DC is a terrible place to live.
+--- 2405425
+>>2404287
+>>2404317
+
+
+I am not >>2404314
+
+But he is correct. 
+It's actually very easy to get a consulting job with a finance degree, especially with data analytics. Though someone inexplicably kind of poo pooed Booz Allen Hamilton earlier, they are one of the biggest dogs, if not biggest, in the DC area due to them being homegrown and so tied in with the government. Edward Snowden worked for Booz. They don't ever have enough people for all the government contracts they have, to the point that themselves often use other firms as subcontractors on their contracts. They will pay to help you move the area. Check out openings on their website. Apply for all the names, though. Leidos, Deloitte. Hell, try Amazon. Their HQ2 is opening up here and they already have a large corporate presence in the area. Especially with AWS.
+
+>>2404744
+As a local, it's easy to crap on the area. As a local, it's also easy to delineate. You are thinking DC proper, when anyone coming from outside the area will be approaching it as the DC area. Lets not pretend like you only have to cross a street or bridge to be in Arlington or MoCo. 
+
+To the OP, one area ripe for gentrification is The Navy Yard and a lot of young single people live and hang out there.
+--- 2405427
+>>2405425
+>The Navy Yard
+
+You can see an episode of the Navy Yard on this show about local DC area neighborhoods. The most recent episode is on Deanwood. Ignore that one, unless you want to get in on the ground floor of gentrification of NE DC.
+
+The show is on its 3rd season so you can get a good idea of various neighborhoods in the area, albeit the focus is more on homebuying in established neighborhoods. 
+
+https://www.pbs.org/show/if-you-lived-here/
+--- 2405442
+>>2404441
+DC is incredibly segregated and the vast majority of the crime is in exactly rue neighborhoods you would think it it’s in. Most people live in nice white survives surrounding DC.
+>>2405425
+Booz isn’t bad but it doesn’t hold prestige in the way MBB does is what I was trying to say.
+--- 2405621
+>>2397214 (OP)
+new enfland
+--- 2405673
+idk I'm a well-off young guy and I live in flyover 
+why would I pick where to own real estate based on how easy the pussy is that's retarded
+--- 2405675
+>>2405673
+you can live somewhere in your younger years without buying real estate or planning to settle down stupid larper
+--- 2405702
+>>2397214 (OP)
+what's your job? why not come to Argentina?
+--- 2405715
+>>2404105
+
+> I think the most frustrating thing about it is that you can go make money for yourself, but you'll never have the connections and special treatment that they get even if their wealth is only middle-class tier. And if you make a single mistake, your entire position in life blows up. Napoleon and Richard Nixon described similar things in their careers and it made me sympathize with them a lot while reading their biographies.
+
+Because Napoleon and Nixon were both outsiders to the elite circles. As an outsider if you want to be let into the club, you need to ingratiate yourself and do what your betters tell you to do. Unfortunately, for these two men they walked to the beat of their own drums and they remained outsiders for their whole lives; never being afforded the protection from scrutiny that is privilege to the elite. 
+
+Three establishment men do as they please, one outsider does the same, only the outsider is penalized.
+--- 2405764
+>>2405715
+qrd on nixon and the differences with him and bush
+
+t. non burger
+--- 2405882
+>>2405715
+True. Though, Napoleon's family did ultimately become elite. It seems like it's easier to pull off if you're the child of a guy who forged his own path. Fun fact: Teddy Roosevelt's Attorney General was a direct descendent of Jerome Bonaparte.
+
+>>2405764
+Nixon grew up in a fairly poor Quaker household. He couldn't afford to go to an elite university, despite being accepted, so he went to a cheaper college. Then through pure talent and merit he rose through the ranks of politics and became president. He was fairly interesting politically because he was very pragmatic and open to doing things regardless of whether they'd be considered left-wing or right-wing. Bush is just an elite family with oil money that only had to recite a couple party talking-points and let money and connections get them high ranking positions.
+--- 2406974
+>>2404134
+No one has any Orlando experience?
+--- 2406995
+>>2406974
+I visited there for a couple of nights last year. I was somewhat surprised with how nice the city itself was. I've heard it's pretty boring though.
+--- 2407325
+>>2405442
+>Booz isn’t bad but it doesn’t hold prestige in the way MBB does is what I was trying to say.
+
+I agree with you overall, except in DC. Due it's focus on American government and military contracting, within those sectors it's viewed as prestige. Government and military types look upon Booz most favorably, especially the latter, and government and military is the biggest sector in DC obviously.
+--- 2407452
+>>2397300
+As a guy who lives in Arvada, CO. It’s pretty nice and a great place to start a family, but might be a little slow moving suburbia for a bachelor. I’d go with Denver if the city scene is what you’re looking for. If you’re very well off there’s always places like Golden/Boulder which are in the foorhills or somewhere like Breckinridge if you want to be in the mountains.
+--- 2407485
+>>2397215
+>Jupiter FL
+Qrd?
+--- 2407525
+>>2397214 (OP)
+One of like five coastal meme cities. If you're well off which implies a lot of money and no job for it why'd you live in America?
+--- 2407558
+>>2406974
+>>2406974
+I lived in Orlando for about 2 years, and would NOT recommend it whatsoever. It's not a fun place to live. It's shit.
+
+The nice parts of Orlando are incredibly insular, and they are surrounded by abject poverty and dilapidated shitholes. Driving for many hours a week is going to be the new normal for you. That alone sinks this place substantially.
+
+The nice parts are the Doctor Philips / Windermere area, Downtown, Winter Park, and Lake Nona, and they are all on opposite sides of the city. Lake Nona is incredibly residential, Winter Park is a pretty nice college town, Downtown is pretty fun, and Doctor Philips is filled with incredibly rich people who work in media or healthcare or finance - it's fine, check out Rocco's Tacos. Outside of downtown the amenities a young professional would look for to have fun are lacking. And there aren't even that many young people in downtown.
+
+Where the city really shines is that it has a huge latin american population and they really know how to party desu. I enjoyed going to salsa / bachata events and learning to dance, then going to some dance clubs in downtown afterwards, that's really fun. Always plenty of cute girls at these events looking to meet guys. The Brazilian population is huge in Orlando and you will meet a lot of them everywhere.
+
+Not once in my entire time living in Orlando did I go to Disneyworld or Universal Studios, I guess if you are into that it might be fun, and there are some bars that cater towards employees at both parks which might have cute girls that I never checked out.
+
+It's not really a city designed to cater to people like OP, desu. There's old rich people in the Isleworth / Doctor Philips area, then there's mostly boomers in the downtown area, and you will find very little reason to go anywhere else. 
+
+Really. Miami is THE best place to go for a young person who can live anywhere, and wants to live in Florida. Tampa is also great.
+--- 2407563
+>>2407558
+Thanks for the solid reply. Could you tell me about Tampa? It's the city that I always forget about despite it being so important.
+--- 2407565
+>>2407563
+Tampa is the definitive Florida city
+--- 2407596
+>>2407563
+Tampa has really boomed in the last five to ten years since Vinik bought the Lightning. Tons of redevelopment projects downtown and sky rocketing housing costs.
+
+Don't go to Orlando. It's basically just UCF and the parks.
+--- 2407643
+>>2407563
+Tampa/St Pete is the most underrated metro area in the U.S. Just a fun place to be with great weather, good jobs, and hot girls
+--- 2407658
+>>2407643
+I'm acquaintances with an MIT grad and a Columbia grad who both moved to the area. I always wonder what was up with that.
+--- 2407676
+>>2397300
+Fort collins is great, it's like boulder but without the assholes. Denver is a little soulless and has gotten fucked by homeless but is fun nonetheless. In general your college towns will be better than the suburban hellhole that makes up most of colorado
+--- 2407680
+>>2407676
+>the suburban hellhole that makes up most of colorado
+That's only the front range. The rest of Colorado (well, west of the front range) is fucking amazing. Don't tell anyone.
+--- 2407707
+>>2407485
+Wealthy area with active, fit people, nice beaches, and tons of gorgeous women
+--- 2407708
+>>2404134
+No. Orlando has miserable weather, lots of crime, and tons of tourists. Tampa and Jacksonville are both miles better than Orlando
+--- 2407847
+>>2407708
+I refuse to believe anybody can endorse living in Jacksonville
+--- 2407859
+>>2407847
+Only people living in Jacksonville will say it's better than Orlando lmao
+--- 2407863
+>>2407708
+>Jacksonville
+No thanks. I don't want to end up on /JAX/.
+--- 2408114
+So what's the consensus on a good place?
+--- 2408180
+>>2407859
+Only people with the misfortune to be born in Florida will suggest anywhere in that benighted state as worth living in.
+--- 2408195
+>>2408180
+yeah that's why it's the fastest growing state. cope and seethe
+--- 2408226
+>>2408195
+it's the fastest growing state because it's cheap and somewhat habitable. If california didn't have batshit insane housing prices people wouldn't be leaving. Florida is worse in almost every possible way (aside from taxes. The no income tax thing is great)
+--- 2408582
+get me out of Atlanta bros
+--- 2408586
+>>2397214 (OP)
+North County San Diego CA,
+South Orange County CA,
+Bend OR,
+Boulder CO,
+Jackson WY,
+Bozeman MT
+--- 2408587
+>>2407643
+Yea Tampa is the best part of Florida.
+--- 2408597
+>>2397217
+
+Oil fields of Dakota or Permian Basin TX.
+
+Or just learn how to sell and live anywhere you want
+--- 2408599
+>>2408597
+>Permian Basin, TX
+You mean Odessa? Niggy, stop trolling. That area is the biggest shit hole imaginable. I lived there almost my entire life. It's just crime and racist wetbacks
+--- 2408658
+>>2397217
+>What are the best places for a young guy with no qualifications or money to reboot his life
+
+I am thinking about this and I honestly am not sure what to tell you 
+Big cities have great opportunities, but the cost of living isn't feasible, you will be stuck working a shit job and struggling to pay the rent and survive
+small cities and towns have lower rent but you will be working even worse jobs, if you go there you can truly be trapped in a poverty spiral
+
+Can I ask where you are located now? 
+
+California has free college for students over 24 if your income is low (like under 30k) 
+So you could move to California, work in some job until you quality for in-state tuition, then do REALLY well in community college (not hard at all btw) so you can go to a UC school. San Diego has really nice community colleges, so I would recommend you move somewhere in North County San Diego. 
+
+When I was a student at UC berkeley, I was paid about $6000 a semester to attend school - tuition fully paid. I lived VERY comfortably, totally from government funding. 
+This is a great deal and could save you from poverty, flinging you into upper middle class lifestyle quite quickly. 
+
+if you have questions about this lemme know
+--- 2408664
+>>2408658
+>North County San Diego.
+I live here, a friend of mine did this. Had a shitty 20s of dead end jobs, legal trouble, etc. Got state aid to go to school and become a teacher. Not an "upper middle class" profession but a respectable one that pays the bills. 
+
+Another friend moved to Arizona, a place a lot of washed up west coasters seem to go to turn their life around, worked jobs there for a while, then got state aid to go to truck driving school. He now owns a trucking business.
+--- 2408744
+>>2408664
+>Got state aid to go to school and become a teacher. Not an "upper middle class" profession but a respectable one that pays the bills.
+now imagine if he majored in CS and worked remotely for some tech company making $120k out of college. Would change his life permanently for the better. That one anon asking could do this, I think it would be the best decision he could make
+
+Does your friend do alright in trucking ? Does he drive his own truck or hire a driver? Seems like a great business to get into
+--- 2408855
+>>2408744
+>Does your friend do alright in trucking ? Does he drive his own truck or hire a driver? Seems like a great business to get into
+The thing is, it's very cyclical and a difficult job to work in the best of times. 
+
+Cyclical because when the economy's not doing great, truck drivers are the first to get laid off. 
+
+Even if you do have work, it's very long hours (12 hour shifts aren't uncommon). You're living a gypsy life, away from home for long stretches. Hard to settle down, make friends, and find a woman that way. 
+
+But it does pay well.
+--- 2408863
+>>2407452
+>Breckinridge
+>The racial makeup of the town was 95.56% White, 0.37% African American, 0.33% Native American, 1.04% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 1.12% from other races, and 1.54% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.44% of the population.
+Sold.
+--- 2408909
+>>2408744
+>now imagine if he majored in CS 
+He was actually doing that, had a change of heart and said, you know what, I'm going to be a math teacher. He said he didn't have the appetite for hustle culture, American companies, hiring sprees followed by layoffs, and the idea of a salary for life + retirement + PTO sold him even if the pay is worse. Plus I think he got additional financial aid for being a teacher. Teachers with 10+ years of seniority in CA also make close to 100k. 
+Anon could probably get into something IT related though, a lot of channers have above average IT skills right off the bat. 
+>>2408744
+He does alright. >>2408855 He complains about the hours. He does equipment hauling so almost all jobs within a day drive but says the hours are awful, getting up at 2 AM after a weekend to do a load out because they want their shit first thing in the morning. The overhead is also very high even if you're just working by yourself. I think he's trying to get to a point where he just pays other people to work for him but isn't there yet.
+--- 2409000
+>>2398436
+Japan doesn't need that many "spies" in DC, they are the unofficial "sixth eye"
+--- 2409003
+>>2409000
+What if she was actually Chinese? Or one of those NK affiliated Koreans Japan has?
+--- 2410125
+>>2409000
+Even the Eyes have spies in DC
+--- 2411220
+>>2397214 (OP)
+>the best places for a well-off young guy to live in America
+
+Miami Beach
+--- 2411251
+>>2407452
+Is boulder/fort collins worth living in if you're past college age?
+--- 2411287
+>>2399450
+Downside are that 100k in DC will get you as far as 50k would get you in southern cities like Houston and Tampa.
+--- 2412138
+>>2408863
+>Sold.
+You need to be unequivocally well off. Like 7 figs for a condo well off (w/$670 monthly HOA fee) or a fixer upper with bad location.
+
+Could easily drop $2-5M on a house there
+--- 2413829
+>>2403554
+reading this makes me wonder wtf happened with me. 
+
+I am one of these trust fund kids who was made a millionaire before I could drink. But I'm also a total autist who has never been in a relationship before and can barely hold down the cushy job my dad practically gave me due to the Adderall shortage. I contemplate ending it all every day. 
+
+How could this happen?
+--- 2414128
+I hated Philadelphia when I was younger but it’s grown on me. It’s like a hybrid between New York and Baltimore. Pennsylvania is great state even though it seems like the Dems have completely captured it in the last 8 years or so and if you have money it can be really nice. 
+
+But if I had a lot of money I’d probably split my time with somewhere in the Mountain West or just head up to New York.
+--- 2414242
+>>2405882
+This is little known history but Nixon may have got his start in politics due to Prescott Bush, who helped bankroll Nixon's first improbable win in a heavily Democrat California district. Then he was essentially a patsy for big money until he was deemed a loose cannon and disposed of with watergate. This according to Russ Baker's book Family of Secrets.
+--- 2414659
+>>2397736
+Funny how Ivy Leaguers try to pretend it’s stiff competition at their schools. We’ve all visited our friends at Penn and Columbia. We know you’re full of shit.
+--- 2414661
+>>2404438
+Napoleon was a warlord and one of the most remarkable men who ever lived on this planet. Richard Nixon was a relatively unremarkable lawyer and politician. You tell me which you think is worth it.
+--- 2414667
+>>2414659
+I never claimed it was difficult academically. Socially, yes, it is. There are the kids that get into Skull & Bones and the kids who spend the rest of their lives wishing they did. 
+
+>Funny how Ivy Leaguers
+It's easy to spot people who have a chip on their shoulder about the whole Ivy League thing from a mile away.Let it go, friend. 
+
+>>2414661
+The world Napoleon lived in is long gone. Richard Nixon's story is highly relevant to someone living in America today.
+--- 2414865
+Benson, AZ
+--- 2415214
+>>2400658
+Front-end developer is a three months of hard-working self education, and you could gain not less that $70K on a freelance - if you just know how to handle self marketing.
+--- 2415216
+>>2397681
+nice, thanks for the info
+--- 2415234
+>>2397390
+Lol fuck DC. Yea more women than men, but it’s also a very pretentious keeping up with the Jones work obsessed status obsessed city with ridiculous COL for what amounts to suburban living
+
+There are actually not many worse places I’d recommend than Northern Virginia
+--- 2415405
+>>2415234
+>There are actually not many worse places I’d recommend than Northern Virginia
+
+You must have stayed out in Loudin County or the far flung reaches outside of the Beltway. Anything outside of the Beltway is literal suburbia
+--- 2415558
+>>2397215
+>Jupiter
+That's oddly specific. 
+>>2407707
+You're right. The rent is so much higher now unless you live in Jupiter Farms now though.
+--- 2416018
+>>2397214 (OP)
+denver
+--- 2416025
+>>2415234
+Absolutely seething wagie. Northern Virginia has several of the wealthiest counties in the country.
+--- 2416030
+>>2415214
+I paid 30K for two different dev bootcamps that both had great promises. I never landed any dev job, let alone for $70K. Code monkeying is a meme. I now do quant for 250K base.
+--- 2417646
+>>2397214 (OP)
+List your criteria for "best". What are you looking for?
+--- 2417662
+>>2416030
+I got a dev job with a non-CS bachelor's and no bootcamp. How does it feel knowing you played yourself?
+--- 2417871
+>>2416030
+Damn how did you make that jump? Math major? It seems like you never needed those bootcamps in the first place
+--- 2418107
+>>2416030
+>. I never landed any dev job, let alone for $70K. Code monkeying is a meme. I now do quant for 250K base.
+while I can appreciate your switch into quantitative (finance), calling code monekying a meme when you never even got a foot in the career is a pretty hot take.
+--- 2418164
+New York or some young beach/mountain town obviously.
+--- 2418185
+>>2418107
+this. it's a bizarrely stupid take when there are millions of people making solid salaries in SWE and the number of people doing quant is like 0.1x the population
+--- 2418230
+>>2417871
+>>2418107
+>>2418185
+I think he's lying. Quant jobs are insanely coveted. Thousands of the smartest kids in all the top schools apply to them every year. You don't just waltz into one after having spent months unemployed post-graduation. You're headhunted by campus recruitment. 
+
+t. ivy leaguer who knows several
+--- 2418234
+>>2418230
+completely agree, nobody who went to a fucking bootcamp is being considered for a quant job
+--- 2418297
+>>2417871
+It's for people who are "mathematically mature." That generally means Asians who leave high school with Calc II under their belts, and take higher-level math classes in university. They don't necessarily have to be math majors, but they're the kinds of people who did Math Olympiad in high school and take super hard math classes because it interests them. 
+
+When you look at it this way, only 1% of American college students fit this criteria. It's not for retards who take "Business Calculus" and get a B+, and certainly not for whose who get scammed by not one, but TWO different bootcamps. Especially not when people with half a brain know all you need is to shit out a few projects on GH and start applying.
+--- 2418478
+>>2397217
+the military is great if you have absolutely nothing going for you or if you don't want the burden of responsibility for your own actions (don't join reserves if you end up going down this route, it is a trap). the tough part about "rebooting" your life is unless you have a realistic baseline idea of what you want to do/will do, and means to execute on that idea wherever you run away to right away, you're hung out to dry unless you're sitting on a stack of cash (which will quickly be depleted in most states). hard to make something from absolutely nothing these days.
+--- 2418646
+>>2418478
+>don't join reserves if you end up going down this route, it is a trap
+explain?
+--- 2420162
+>>2418646
+You don't get the same benefits as active duty and it can hinder/disrupt your civilian life
+--- 2420477
+So Newport Beach, CA and Jupiter, FL seem to be the best. 
+However, are there any other good places in the north-west, north-east or interior of the country that satisfy OP's criteria?
+--- 2420819
+>>2418230
+All the math genius kids I knew in school (3) are now actuaries and they make like $300k-$375k
+--- 2420843
+>>2420819
+There are probably only a few hundred quant jobs in the entire US. So the vast majority of people who are qualified aren't gonna make it. Like they said in Mad Men, "Not every little girl gets to do what they want. The world could not support that many ballerinas."
+
+But it's great work if you can get it. Pay packages can easily reach north of $500k. If you change jobs, companies will make you go on "garden leave" for like 6 months, so that you can't reveal their trading strategies to competitors. That means they pay you your full salary while you do fuck all in your apartment in Manhattan or Chicago. You get to live as a chad neet. "My company is paying me not to work because they fear my knowledge."
+--- 2420846
+>>2420843
+>Pay packages can easily reach north of $500k.
+This is IN YOUR MID-20'S by the way. Imagine that.
+--- 2420994
+>>2420843
+whats the midwit version of this
+--- 2421481
+>>2420994
+logistics
+--- 2422366
+>>2397690
+ewwwwwwwwwww
+--- 2422367
+>>2398436
+lol this. 
+
+https://www.eurasiareview.com/11122020-eric-swalwells-honeypot-spy-exposes-chinas-deep-democrat-ties-oped/
+--- 2422371
+>>2399450
+>cream of crop
+
+you can find a wholesome intelligent farm girl in FL who isn't Megyn Kelly levels of competitive who will end up cheating on you anyway
+--- 2422372
+>>2399451
+why is the crime so damn high in our capitol? this is shameful
+--- 2422375
+>>2403799
+Tech workers only go after uggos and foreigners. they leave hot girls alone
+--- 2422376
+>>2404134
+Orlando is good if you're wealthy. Lots to do and lots of young people and good food. Liberalism is a massive problem though. You won't find any soulmates.
+
+https://youtu.be/ajmVE-Stwsw [Embed]
+--- 2422389
+>>2406995
+dining is affordable and cozy though. excellent customer service
+--- 2422390
+>>2407558
+Downtown is 30s and up. You're going to find young people closer to UCF or Disney World night areas. Its pretty clean due to large family presence near Disney.
+--- 2422391
+>>2407563
+Tampa is a lib hellhole but they have good museums and aquariums.
+--- 2422394
+>>2408195
+This. lol these people are pathetic. They all want to live here and ruin it with their presence and out the other side talk about muh florida man. I hate liberals so much.
+--- 2422397
+>>2408855
+I heard they overwork truckdrivers and they don't get to see their families very much.
+--- 2422399
+>>2411220
+Where I live a bunch of young rich men started moving in. They left after a while. I was glad because they usually bring hoes and alcohol and its very peaceful family oriented here.
+--- 2422457
+>>2407558
+I would still take Orlando over the hellscape that is South Florida (Outside of Miami)
+--- 2422594
+if you like cities and are rich you should live in nyc and if not then you should move to bumfuck nowhere texas, idaho, or oregon imho desu senpai
+--- 2422725
+What parts of America have the hottest women who are out of/not attending college? Very relevent for a young guy.
+--- 2423621
+NYC if you want to hustle/have that experience while your young.
+
+If want to experience a big city but don't want to hustle I would unironically suggest Chicago. It's a big city at half the price of NYC. The crime stuff is mostly concentrated to specific neighborhoods you would live nowhere near. If you aren't a total dumb ass you'll probably be fine and get access to all the job opportunities and not have to live in a literal box.
+--- 2423662
+>>2422725
+Big cities on coasts, of course.
+--- 2423781
+>>2422725
+Denver and Colorado in general has the least obese women in the country. most american women are obese btw.
+--- 2424422
+>>2422725
+San Diego or south Florida. 90% of hot chicks live in big warm cities
+--- 2424424
+>>2422376
+Almost half of Orlando is shitty. I wouldn't live there unless I was a huge golf player or theme park junky
+--- 2424426
+>>2424424
+Half of every city is shitty.
+--- 2424427
+>>2403799
+Denver CO is like 55% men. One of the worst male-female ratios in America
+--- 2424428
+Carmel, IN
+--- 2425793
+>>2397390
+>>2397574
+>>2399450
+I moved to the DMV a year ago
+How the fuck do I afford a place in actual DC so I can enjoy this shit, and not soulness NOVA suburban hell?
+Keep in mind I have a masters degree and a full time job pushing 6 figures
+--- 2425813
+>>2408658
+NTA who asked the question, but I've been seriously thinking about getting off my ass and sticking to a job.
+
+I'm 25, live around the center of Texas and worked several wage jobs. As well a couple of warehouses, one before I went to comm college and the other about a year ago. I was dumb and tried living away from home for their good art program. Now double that because I was irresponsible and blew my good fafsa standings after two semesters of goofing off and not wanting to study (this was back when COVID was in full force). Came back home and as of right now I work part time and have a few thousand in the bank. Mentally I'm feeling much better after fighting some anxiety, insecurities, porn addiction n stuff.
+
+Recently I turned to some cbd to ease my body and stress, and had a coombrain moment that led me to wanting to work to travel to Japan to get a wife. Someone told me that's retarded and instead go to Houston which has a good asian population. I'm going to my town's technical college soon and see if i should try again or just go work the warehouse route again.
+--- 2426050
+If money is no issue then a hi-rise condo in NY or Chicago, a beachfront house in Miami or Honolulu or San Diego, or a mountain view house in Seattle or Denver or SLC would be good.
+--- 2426053
+>>2426050
+Just avoid LA because the people are snobs who act like entitled assholes when they visit other places on the weekends and the traffic sucks worse than anywhere else in the country
+--- 2426064
+>>2425793
+You live in NE or you save up. Or you just move to Arlington and enjoy owning a SFH.
+--- 2426170
+Denver
+Miami
+--- 2426614
+>>2426170
+>Denver
+What for? Does it have top tier women?
+--- 2426617
+>>2426050
+Yeah, and I want to fuck olivia rodrigo lol
+--- 2426725
+>>2426170
+>>2426614
+Denver is badly overrated. It's a generic midwest city with bad traffic 90 minutes from the nearest ski resort that costs 2x more than it should
+--- 2426869
+What do you all think of Bend, OR? I saw a lot of Oregon during my time van lifing, but not bend. Coastal Oregon is out of my price range, Portland is a no from me, and Eugene/surrounding areas seemed pretty cool, but I hear Bend is even better.
+--- 2426872
+>>2426869
+the 2010 census said only 0.5% blacks so that's based.
+--- 2426875
+>>2426869
+Oh and for reference I don't make a shittoj of money, about 120k, and I like almost all things /out/, including skiing
+--- 2426906
+>>2414128
+>It’s like a hybrid between New York and Baltimore
+If you are trying to sell me on Philadelphia this isn't the way.
+--- 2426909
+>>2403572
+>highest concentration of non fat women
+yeah because a lot of them are malnourished with a vegan or cocaine diet. Not the type of broads you want to start a family with. Lots of Hilary voters out there.
+--- 2427111
+>>2398534
+FoCo is a better Denver than Denver anyway.
+--- 2427206
+I love women so much bros
+--- 2427229
+>>2403040
+Can only transfer between other SOF units though, and only if those units have slots (which they should). There's only a handful of those units in the Guard though sooo I mean if you don't like it you're fucked.
+
+>>2397300
+You do realize it's like a 2+ year pipeline to go through all that and then you'll probably be deployed all the time and will never finish school, right? Just go active
+--- 2427665
+>>2397214 (OP)
+La Jolla, San Diego. 
+Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
+NYC
+--- 2428956
+>>2425793
+There are places you should be able to afford around the Navy Yard. One bedrooms and studios aren't prohibitively expense in DC in general, because they are targeting the college kids at Georgetown, American University, and Howard. Also, you can rent a room or basement apartment in DC. Most have their own separate walkouts
+--- 2429096
+>>2426050
+fuck seattle, it's an empty city
+--- 2431155
+necroing this
+--- 2431616
+>>2397300
+Oh definitely Pueblo
+--- 2432570
+>>2397214 (OP)
+san diego
+--- 2433358
+>>2426906
+Kek
+--- 2434165
+>>2426064
+Arlington is just as expensive as DC proper, if not more. Especially for SFHs
+--- 2434174
+>>2427111
+i like foco but its a college town that's about 1/12 the size of denver. not comparable
+--- 2434176
+>>2424426
+Orlando's shitty parts are extra shitty. Dangerous plus 6 months of horrible weather and gators
+--- 2434474
+There’s nowhere good, dude. I only make $50k but I’m a 100% remote worker with a flexible schedule and I’ve done my research for over a year now. There’s nowhere in particular that’s really worth moving to in this country. Any one place will be prohibitively expensive, filled with crime and drugs, and/or boring and lonely. If you can find a place that’s only 1 of those things, I suppose that would be lucky because it’s all been so horribly mismanaged that nowhere is really good anymore.
+--- 2434480
+>>2434474
+This. If you are working remote GTFO of the US.
+--- 2435634
+>>2434480
+To where? Like waht countries would let you live there long term as a remote worker?
+--- 2435637
+>>2435634
+Spain is BIS.
+South has 320 days perfect Sunshine a year, people speak english, everything is cheap, Spain is full of mountain so it's SUPER easy to get a place with a divine view.
+--- 2435639
+>>2435637
+also beautiful women, a million countries within 3 hours of flying, cheap transportation
+
+you can't lose with spain on an american salary
+--- 2435641
+>>2435637
+* Weed can be bought legally in weed clubs and you can smoke legally on private property. 
++Spanish ham.
+--- 2435658
+>>2435641
+You can even smoke IN the weed clubs. I used to love sitting down at one, buying a beer, rolling a blunt, and doing my work. Only frustrating part is that the music meant I couldn't take meetings, so I had to fuck off to a cafe right before. Also, they don't take card, so you better remember where the nearest ATM is.
+--- 2435693
+>>2413829
+>How could this happen?
+There will always be a few Supreme Gentleman types
+--- 2435700
+>>2420994
+data scientist, or general code monkey if you can't math
+--- 2435708
+>>2435634
+Indonesia, Argentina (pls sir bring us dollars), Portugal, etc. It depends how long you mean by long term, lots of countries have or are setting up digital nomad visas good for at least a few years or just don't care how long you stay if you're bringing money and not taking jobs.
+--- 2435709
+>>2397214 (OP)
+New York City
+Boston
+Portland (Maine, not Oregon)
+Santa Monica
+Austin
+--- 2435710
+>>2422372
+It's pretty fitting considering America has a reputation for being dangerous.
+--- 2435803
+>>2435634
+What you do is farm more important than where you are. Don’t make the mistake so many people make by shaking up the latter while letting the former go. When you have regrets about what you did, or rather what you didn’t do, life can be hell but there is no such equivalent for regretting where you were.
+--- 2435924
+>>2408658
+not that guy but I live in Texas right now, and has an associates from a CC. is it possible to swing that into getting paid to go to UC berkley
+--- 2437693
+>>2435637
+>everything is cheap,
+Including pushy? I know it's legal to buy there
+--- 2437698
+>>2422372
+This is why
+--- 2437700
+>>2437693
+yep, 50€ for short time with an argentine queen
+--- 2438158
+>>2437698
+That's Chicago, not DC.
+--- 2438378
+>>2435658
+>>2435637
+Spain is so fucking fire. Just spent three months "digital nomading" from there. Wish I could go back now but the visa ran out. Maybe I'll get the digital nomad one.
+--- 2438605
+>>2438158
+I lived in the suburbs of DC for 15 years. I won't even tell stories about the shit Ive seen black people do in DC to anyone in person unless I have a friend there to back it up because they are so fucking insane. No one believes it unless they're from the DC area. 
+
+We made a wrong turn and came face to face with a tranny holding a machine gun. I watched a group of blacks beat an old man with his own cane until he couldn't move. A homeless person jumped off a bridge in front of me into the road. My brother's best friend was shot when he was 17 while buying weed. I saw a homeless person with a butcher knife walk down the street and slash the tires of dozens of cars for no reason. I saw a shootout on the DC metro train. I honestly didn;t even go to the city that often. It's a fucking madhouse.
+--- 2438631
+>>2438605
+The USA is weird. I'm pretty sure that most parts of Africa and rural and non-ghetto urban areas in the Caribbean are much safer than US murder ghetto shitholes. I don't know what you USA people did to your Negroids, but whatever it was, it wasn't good.
+--- 2438656
+I already live in New York. How do I strike up conversation with unknown women at a bar?
+--- 2438663
+>>2438631
+Here's the thing, the crime rate among blacks is steady no matter where you go. They commit crimes at almost the same rate in every country on earth. The difference in the US is that they have access to cheap guns.
+--- 2438718
+>>2438656
+Show them memes on your phone
+--- 2438727
+>>2438605
+The worst experience I've ever had is some PTSD homeless white guy telling me to stop eye fucking his dog on the red line.
+--- 2439429
+>>2438631
+Though USA had a relative small amount of slavery compared to othe countries, or maybe because of that fact, slave owners in America were particularly brutal
+--- 2441010
+>>2438605
+What were the years, because gentrification is real in DC. The Navy Yard is nigh unrecognizable for instance
+--- 2441058
+>>2397390
+Why didn’t you do it then anon?
+--- 2441075
+>>2438663
+Or maybe they get those free because of the gangsta life that you all ignore every single day, and when you do not ignore, you defend it saying that "they have to be understood"
+--- 2441130
+>>2441058
+I do live here. Technically, across the district line into Maryland, but I live in the DC Metro
+--- 2441289
+>>2397214 (OP)
+https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?webmap=30d2e10d4d694b3eb4dc4d2e58dbb5a5
+
+Avoid all the areas marked in yellow.
+--- 2441303
+Whats an average body count for a 25-30 year old American guy? Just curious because the US has a reputation of having super slutty and partying colleges. 
+
+I feel like if I moved to the US i would just fuck endless college girls. Like fish in a barrel.
+
+But i dunno if the stereotypes are real or not. 
+
+I live in Canada and we have party schools but nothing wild. My body count is 15 and I'm 24 but it seems higher than most Canadians. Just wondering what things are like in the States.
+--- 2441308
+Fort Lauderdale
+--- 2441329
+>>2441303
+lucky bastard
+--- 2441330
+>>2438727
+If you're riding the red line from Rockville to Wheaton, you could avoid some of the crime if you never wandered. Try coming in on the Orange Line from New Carrolton. Maybe jump onto the green line and take it to the Navy Yard or Suitland. Tell me how you feel then about the blacks.
+--- 2441368
+>>2441303
+>I feel like if I moved to the US i would just fuck endless college girls. Like fish in a barrel.
+My body count is similar to yours and let me tell you, it's nothing special. 
+
+I knew bona fide Chads in college who needed to keep track of all their women in a spreadsheet. Literally fucking a different girl every night. They threw so many condoms out their window (they were suitemates) that the groundskeepers sent out an email to the entire dorm to complain. 
+
+Granted, these are outliers. 15 at 24 is definitely above average... but not by much.

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+-----
+--- 2409266
+What's the most disgusting thing you've eaten on your travels? For me, it was 童子蛋(also known as Virgin Boy Egg) in China. It's really popular to eat eggs that have been boiled in boy's urine (similar to tea egg) there. It's absolutely vile, but hey, 'When in Rome...' as they say.
+--- 2409268
+Mcdonalds
+--- 2409271
+I had durian for the first time recently
+I don't get the hate, it was just incredibly underwhelming.
+--- 2409293
+>>2409266 (OP)
+I had the Icelandic fermented shark. Taste is OK believe it or not but the smell is just awful. 
+
+I want to try the Swedish tinned herring thing but it’s seasonal so not had the chance yet.
+--- 2409297
+You've posted this exact thread countless times before.
+Hope you're getting paid for this, doing it for free would be too pathetic.
+--- 2409308
+>>2409271
+It tastes like farts
+--- 2409320
+>>2409266 (OP)
+I have been to China a dozen of times and I have never seen it.
+--- 2409330
+>>2409308
+How would you know what farts taste like?
+--- 2409333
+Silkworm poo tea in Myanmar.
+--- 2409352
+>>2409266 (OP)
+Isn't urine sterile? Not a big deal to boil something in it, certainly not eggs since they have a shell as well.
+--- 2409407
+>>2409293
+Do Icelandic people actually enjoy it or is something they just carry on for traditional reasons?
+--- 2409416
+>>2409352
+>t. never had a virgin boy egg
+It's 'double hard-boiled'. The egg is initially hard-boiled, and then the shell is cracked to absorb and soak in the piss flavor for 8-12 hours
+--- 2409724
+>>2409297
+>t.
+--- 2409728
+>>2409297
+It's a butthurt mutt or a bot.
+--- 2409801
+>>2409308
+It tasted like a not sweet mango that had been sitting a bowl used to dice onion
+--- 2409809
+Can't verify to this day but pretty sure I ate some intestine lining or some cut up animal organ in China, because I couldn't read the menu, I had a translator dictionary with me but it was tedious so I asked the cashier if items are spicy and the first no I just ordered it. She knew what it was. What I got was rice, vegetables, and a brown substance that looks like mushroom stems but the texture was like chewing for ages per bite. I was hungry so I sat there and ate nearly all of it. I was at a cafeteria mall so not really busy, no one watching me struggle. That's how you do foreign countries I guess, pick at random and see what you get.
+
+But everything else I ate in China was delicious, quite greasy but worth it and cheap too
+--- 2409829
+>>2409407
+You can buy it in supermarkets all year round. I get the impression it’s a traditional thing eaten for special occasions and tourist trolling.
+--- 2409851
+>>2409809
+sounds like tripe
+--- 2409877
+>>2409851
+You sure? It was a medium dark brown, and it was in a thick semi circle shape. I would have to dig through my photos but I have it somewhere
+--- 2409884
+Fish fluff sweet bread buns in China and the nigiri that was dripping of deep frying oil in Hell's Kitchen are strong contenders.
+Plane food and airport food. I lost 20% of my body weight after an insane food poisoning I got at Stansted. I wasn't overweight, so it very nearly ended in hospitalization.
+So Pret at Stansted wins for me.
+
+I'm very proficient in using hand gestures and I also speak many languages, so I rarely end up eating things I don't want to. Also I don't mind eating horse head or fried bugs or whatever. As long as it doesn't make me ill, bring it on.
+--- 2410194
+>>2409809
+>unidentifiable organ meat in china
+ishygddt. probably cat ovaries or something else rancid
+--- 2410210
+>>2409877
+If it had a vague honeycomb look to it then probably tripe 
+
+Another alternative is intestines / chitterlings.
+
+Both are disgusting poverty foods
+--- 2410318
+The chinaman is backwards piss eggs 
+Bear bile snake soup and snake wine
+Dog meat and insects on a stick they’re truly a depraved people
+--- 2410963
+>>2410318
+They also eat all kinds of crazy shit for "medicine"
+--- 2411136
+Natto in Japan was fuckin vile. Even my buddy's parents from Tokyo with whom I had dinner with told me not to eat it
+--- 2411227
+>>2409809
+>>2409877
+sliced penises
+--- 2411243
+>>2410963
+true, romans were only using urine as mouthwash until the 18th century, it's time for china to stop weird shit for medicine now
+--- 2411364
+>>2410963
+Poos literally drink cow pee and shit cause they think it's "medicine".
+--- 2411367
+>>2409271
+Durian flavored shit is gross because it's concentrated, and ruins everything around it. 
+
+Got an ice cream bar in thailand that tasted like chocolate durian because it was kept in the same container as durian ice cream. It smells like fish that's going bad but not quite rotten.
+--- 2411369
+>>2411367
+So it's like olives
+--- 2411370
+>>2411136
+I worked in a super white washed korean owned sushi chain and they tried selling natto beans. Literally look and smell like something from Gremlins, almost every table sent them back.
+--- 2411377
+>>2409266 (OP)
+Most of the stuff I've had was here in LA but we have a lot of variety and food scene, including durian, 100 year egg, lutefisk, natto, monkfish liver, scorpions, grasshoppers, etc...
+
+but by far the worst thing I've ever had is chinese stinky tofu. its literally like hot manure and I could taste it after 3 days no matter how much i brushed and flossed.
+--- 2411390
+>>2411377
+If stinky tofu is the worst thing you ever ate than you haven't truly eaten anything bad. It doesn't even taste that bad.
+--- 2411397
+>>2411390
+I've eaten your mums ass
+--- 2411690
+Any examples of british food?
+--- 2411822
+Bird's Nest Soup made out of bird spit
+https://youtu.be/opq-FrnUCCQ [Embed]
+--- 2411873
+>>2411690
+Mince pie from Sainsbury's. My host family was accusing me and my friends of sneaking in McDonald's.
+We were starving. We were extremely hungry. Did not eat McD or anything else, we needed food badly. But those mince pies were just not food. I still remember that taste of the first bite I took. It took a lot of energy to swallow it, it was insanely bad. 
+(We did go to a supermarket first thing the following morning and stock up on actual food, cause there was no way we would risk that situation again. The rest of the meals were better, though.)
+--- 2411957
+>>2411873
+What are you on about? Mince pies are lovely, can't have a Christmas without them
+--- 2412098
+I ate rat in Vietnam; I guess I couldn't quibble with the flavor. Also tried camel intestines, I assume they were washed properly.
+
+>>2411873
+Fuck man I'll crush an entire 6-pack of those things in the amount of time it takes to chew them. Thank god they're not available in my home country.
+--- 2412102
+>>2409271
+A coworker brought durian candy into the office as a joke. I initially kept eating them to mess with everyone around me because everyone hated it, but then genuinely started liking the flavor
+--- 2412107
+>>2411873
+Do you mean the Christmas small pies filled with spiced dried fruit, or the hot water crust minced lamb pie you get in Scotland? Either way both are delicious and you are wrong
+--- 2412147
+>>2409266 (OP)
+Fertilised duck egg. Balut as they say in the phillipines I think, in vietnam it is trung vit lon. It was actually alright, basically just a hard boiled egg with meat instead of yolk, I was the only person from my hostel willing to have it though.
+--- 2412368
+pigs ears from a chinese restaurant in australia
+I was expecting something fried or maybe barbecued but they were just raw and cold and I felt a bit sick after eating them
+--- 2412373
+>>2411369
+I ate an olive straight off the tree once when walking in Croatia
+It didn’t taste good at all and made my mouth incredibly dry
+--- 2413433
+>>2411243
+>18th century 
+Western medicine has evolved quite a bit over the past 300 years. TCM is fake and gay.
+>>2411364
+Yeah, and that's gross too. Their consumption of animal waste products does not justify tiger penis stew or bear bile tea or whatever other disgusting shit the chinks eat to improve their qi
+--- 2413439
+>>2411957
+>>2412107
+Good for you. The ones I encountered were industrial trash. Maybe it was a bad batch. But I'm not gonna risk it again.
+I only attempted to eat them again in New Zealand, and those were heavenly. But that was some homemade stuff, not the industrial waste level crap they tried to feed me in the UK.
+--- 2413445
+>>2411873
+>pastry with spiced fruit and brandy causes Amerimutt to shit and piss himself 
+sad
+--- 2413647
+>>2411243
+>romans
+>18th century 
+????
+--- 2414409
+>>2411377
+Stinky tofu isn't even bad. Especially if it's fried.
+--- 2414675
+>>2413445
+Fruit my ass. That Sainsbury's one is 100% industrial waste, see >>2413439
+I was born and raised in Eastern Europe, mostly ate homecooked meals and lots of fresh veggies and fruits. We had a dozen different fruit trees in our backyard. That's why it made no sense. It was especially insulting that they insinuated that we had gone to some fast-food joint. We were like wtf, does the UK exclusively eat trash and they assume that everyone just wants to eat trash?
+But yeah, like I said I did eat a quality version of the same dish in New Zealand a few decades later, that was amazing.
+--- 2414696
+Ordered "snails" at a seaside restaurant expecting conch and got escargots instead. Literally barf-inducing. Frogs are fucked in the head.
+
+>>2409809
+Wouldn't trust anything in China but chitlings can be delicious if cooked right, specially grilled. If it's chewy they fucked up.
+--- 2414697
+>>2414696
+>Ordered "snails" at a seaside restaurant expecting conch and got escargots instead.
+0/10
+--- 2414994
+>>2409809
+I envy people like this.
+>I ate this disgusting shit
+>I ate almost all of it
+>everything else I ate in China was delicious
+I'm not even a fussy eater in the west, I'll happily eat anything on the menu, foreign food or not. When I go to Asia I can't force myself to eat some of the stuff the locals eat. Even Thailand, the self-acclaimed 'worlds kitchen', it's just fucking totally unpalatable. Even in a beautiful, expensive restaurant I just couldn't get past the first bite. I was done. It's really embarrassing sometimes, If I force myself to swallow it, I just gag.
+--- 2415345
+>>2409266 (OP)
+>For me, it was 童子蛋(also known as Virgin Boy Egg
+You already posted this a few months ago, pedo. Is this your proudest life moment?
+--- 2415370
+>>2412368
+Chinks almost never eat raw meat, especially pork. 
+They usually steam or boil ears, served and sliced cold.
+--- 2415378
+>>2410210
+
+both are fucking delicious
+--- 2415534
+>>2409352
+urine isn't sterile
+--- 2416014
+>>2409266 (OP)
+durian
+--- 2416166
+>>2410318
+survival of the fittest, COVID wiped out antivaxxers for a reason
+--- 2417005
+>>2409266 (OP)
+>Virgin boy eggs are widely accepted as a time-honored tradition of the city, rather than considered taboo as they are most other cultures.[3] Boy egg vendors go to elementary schools in the city where they collect urine from young boys, preferably under the age of ten. The children, having been raised in the city and its culture, are used to the practice. As young boys would in schools from many other cultures, they excuse themselves from class when they feel the urge to urinate. However, instead of going to the restroom, they relieve themselves in the basin that the vendors place in the hallways. Some vendors go as far as to wait with containers in parks or public restrooms for a parent who is willing to let their child offer urine.
+Legit reads like a shitpost what the fuck
+--- 2417059
+>>2417005
+Imagine if it’s just a massive troll and uri e eggs aren’t actually a thing
+--- 2418361
+>>2415345
+It's to experience the culture, retard
+--- 2418363
+>>2415534
+Go see the doctor. Urine is entirely sterile under normal conditions.
+--- 2418925
+>>2409416
+Chinese people should get genocided honestly
+
+Anyway I never ate anything even remotely as gross as the stuff in this thread. Had some gross pork thing in Thailand but it wasn’t like pork piss or pork cock it was just dumb gooks have no sense of taste. I personally think you can experience the culture without going full “fear factor.”
+--- 2419008
+>>2409297
+>>2409724
+KEK
+--- 2419009
+>>2414696
+>Ordered "snails" at a seaside restaurant expecting conch and got escargots instead. Literally barf-inducing. Frogs are fucked in the head.
+--- 2419021
+>>2416014
+my girlfriend eats durian cake regularly. and she wonders why i dont wanna give her head
+--- 2419173
+>>2409266 (OP)
+I drank tap water in Algeria and ended up in the hospital. I was never this sick in my life, i was pissing, shitting, vomiting and crying at the same time i didn't even know such a thing was possible.
+--- 2419185
+>>2409266 (OP)
+>What's the most disgusting thing you've eaten on your travels?
+
+Ladyboy cum unironically. I feel bad just thinking about it.
+--- 2419299
+>>2409416
+The guy who came up with this had to be be a pedophile with a piss fetish, there's no other explanation.
+--- 2419312
+>>2409266 (OP)
+I ate crickets 2 days ago in a guacamole in CDMX. It was pretty much just the same taste and texture as fried shallots, except you could feel their spindly legs as you chewed. Not that bad, but really not that interesting either.
+--- 2420144
+>>2417005
+chinks eat really vile shit
+--- 2421549
+>>2419021
+>she
+>her
+>head
+--- 2421620
+>>2409271
+Durian is fucking vile. I feel like a little bitch because it's one of the very few foods to actually make me gag.
+The moment the strong onion aftertaste hits following the otherwise fine melon-like flavor is just too much. It does not pair at all.
+--- 2421840
+>>2414675
+Yeah you are fucking retarded, mince pies with a dash of cream at xmas are king food, You just have shitty taste. Saino's is an middle upper tier supermarket, it's no Marks and Sparks but it's not going to be doing bad mince pies. Maybe pour corn syrup or gone off milk to make them to your countries taste
+--- 2421843
+>>2416166
+>COVID wiped out antivaxxers for a reason
+>he actually believes this
+>it's not the vaxxies keeling over! It's just climate change!
+--- 2421999
+>>2413433
+China's been ahead on medicine for centuries, only dumb white hillbillies would ever be dumb or rude enough to be served that. Sadly there are a lot of those, and so these rumors live on.
+--- 2423306
+>>2421999
+>China's been ahead on medicine for centuries, only dumb white hillbillies would ever be dumb or rude enoug-*ACK*!!!
+--- 2423449
+>>2421549
+yes,and? what's your point?
+--- 2423461
+>>2411364
+I wonder if my poojeeta gf will drink my pee.
+--- 2423969
+>>2409293
+same thing is in korea, and its the only korean food i really didnt like to eat. taste is mild but its basically a shot of ammonia/windex directly up your nose every bite. the first one i had i thought it was just normal raw fish. its fucked and i dont get how it can be an acquired taste. not like "ooh notes of ammonia" but stinging burning sensation of ammonia spray touching your sinuses. retarded
+--- 2423972
+>>2409884
+the nigiri that was dripping of deep frying oil 
+
+>>2411136
+yeah natto is just not very tasty, its been a long time not terrible but distinctly not good, like notes of metal in its taste. and this is from someone who eats doenjang/miso and cheonggukjang a lot. natto is edible but not good especially cold
+--- 2423973
+>>2420144
+pic rel looks about 100x better than average amerifat sloppa shit. the only somewhat gross thing i see is the improvised and likely never cleaned plastic bottles used for sauces he has. fucking hate the 3rd world using plastic shit NOT INTENDED FOR OIL/ACOHOL/ACID. its fucking decomposing the hydrocarbons and entering the food.
+--- 2425146
+>>2419185
+What it taste like?
+--- 2425190
+>>2409297
+>doing it for free would be too pathetic
+
+Blame it on the autism
+
+>>2412147
+This comes in duck, chicken or quail (at least in laos). Quail is the best and easiest to eat. Draft Beer lao and quail eggs. Surprisingly tasty
+--- 2426477
+>>2423449
+girls give head, guys eat pussy
+--- 2426504
+>>2419185
+Storytime? Also lel
+--- 2428151
+>>2419312
+Thinking of heading to CDMX in the next year or two. Best non-gross food to get there?
+--- 2428164
+This might sound mundane, but the worst thing I've tasted recently was some Chinese fermented chicken feet.
+I eat fermented stuff.
+I eat chicken feet.
+But that one thing I tried yesterday...that was awful. First of all because I expected it to be warm and spicy(it was red). But when I ate it, I was struck with an unexpected sour taste, and also cold chicken feet. I could barely swallow it. If it was actually warm, yeah maybe I could have done it.
+--- 2428165
+>>2419185
+--- 2428166
+>>2428151
+Goat eye taco
+--- 2428196
+>>2419312
+I had crickets and some bugs as part of a cream cheese bagel in Germany not too long ago. I agree, it was like fried shallot. The only thing that bothered me was that some of the crickets were very intact as I got the bagel.
+
+>>2421999
+They are ahead in quite a few aspects now as well, even in "Western" type medical research. It's weird to see only the Chinese advancing research in some medical areas. But then you look at their studies closer, and you realize that it's because they use eg. Uyghurs in their experiments. Full on Nazi scientist vibes.
+--- 2428199
+>>2428196
+>they use Uyghurs in their experiments
+Let me guess, Epoch Times or one of their affiliates said that?
+--- 2429392
+>>2428164
+>Chinks
+>eating gross shit
+everytime
+--- 2430081
+>>2414994
+Thailand isn't bad at all. From my travels, Vietnam and China have the most disgusting dishes. I've heard Phillipines is bad too, but can't confirm because I haven't been there.
+--- 2430093
+>>2409266 (OP)
+I once ate a pussy ghonnerea infected pussy while I was drunk, tasted something funky then went to the bathroom and saw chunks of yellow gunk all over my beard and mustache. Then the smell and taste really hit me. I projectile vomited all over the bathroom and fell into the shower the violently retch and roll around in my own puke while wailing in disgust and pain.
+
+Not my finest moment.
+--- 2430110
+>>2409297
+>NO YOU CAN'T JUST POST THE SAME THING MORE THAN ONCE THIS IS 4CHAN THE HOME OF INSIGHTFUL AND ORIGINAL THREADS
+--- 2430114
+>>2409809
+>I can't eat animal organ
+Retarded american faggot
+--- 2430127
+>>2430114
+organ meat is pretty shit though fr
+--- 2430183
+>>2428199
+Not, you got to go straight to the source - the State Department.
+--- 2430588
+>>2430183
+>we dindu nuffin!
+--- 2431450
+>>2423973
+>heh, KFC goyslop? No thanks, I'll go with the chink street tripe like a true traveller™
+kys
+--- 2431842
+>>2409271
+I think Durian would actually be good if they bred the sulfur component to be lower, but still there. It's like Indian black salt with lime soda. I asked for a version of it without about 1/4 of the normal black salt and it was great.
+--- 2431920
+>working in Central America
+>boys want to make a bbq
+>say great!
+>pony up cash for the meat
+>come and check the progress of the bbq
+>they are grilling iguana and aardvark
+> decide that the taste of grilled iguana potatoes and tamales is agreeable
+--- 2431921
+>>2411136
+Natto is actually semi-decent if you mix it up with mustard. Plain, I'll agree, fucking vile.
+--- 2431922
+>>2411873
+>Mince pie
+>bad
+
+Your opinion is absolutely wrong, m8.
+--- 2431924
+>>2431921
+Natto is delicious. All the intenstine dishes in japan are vile however. Asians don't seem to realize you aren't suppose to eat those parts
+--- 2432320
+>>2431920
+How about the aardvark?
+--- 2432399
+>>2432320
+It's bait. Aardvark is native to Africa
+--- 2432463
+>>2419299
+It's just some standard chinese food. Relax.
+--- 2432706
+>>2414696
+Never had snails. Afraid to try
+--- 2433715
+>>2431842
+I had durian candy that was disgusting
+--- 2434284
+>>2431924
+>natto is delicious 
+It really isn't tho
+--- 2434288
+>>2430093
+That is fucked.
+--- 2434945
+>>2419185
+It tastes good though.
+--- 2435673
+Just avoid China.
+--- 2435945
+>>2430093
+logging off tonight.. that's too much for me and I watch the rekt webm's in Adult GiF
+--- 2435993
+In the US I've had the following at restaurants:
+-moose
+>Chewy, tough, tastes weird
+-rat
+>Like chicken but too chewy
+-alligator
+>Like chicken but softer
+-candied bugs
+>These are surprisingly everywhere. Museums, gift shops, convenience stores. Thought it was a developing country thing but I guess Americans like it a lot.
+-fried cola, butter, Twinkies, Oreos
+>Too filling, tastes like concentrated sugar and oil. Dunno why Americans have it all the time.
+-snake
+>Similar to alligator
+-American candy
+>Worse than rat, absolutely disgusting. I went down the candy isle and tried a bit of everything. Couldn't find a single I liked. Really shockingly revolting.
+-a “tv dinner”
+>This is literally prison food.
+
+Obviously I've had “classic” American food like burgers, pizza, etc., but you can get that anywhere since it's the menu of globohomo.
+
+The only good food in the US is foreign food, and even it's hit or miss depending if it's been bastardized by American “tastes”.
+--- 2436532
+>>2435993
+>t. triggered bugman
+moose is delicious kys
+--- 2436537
+>>2412147
+I don't get normies aversion to balut. It tastes great, especially with the lime salt and pepper sauce that usually comes with it. The fetus is ok tasting but the actual yolk and amniotic fluid is fucking amazing
+--- 2436547
+>>2436532
+A art of trolling
+--- 2436553
+>>2435993
+You should try bison. Delicious. 
+>TV dinner 
+Yeah it's really fucking bad. No idea why they eat that shit
+--- 2436662
+>>2436553
+Pleb detected
+--- 2437726
+>>2436662
+Chicken nugget one was god-tier as a child
+--- 2438487
+>>2419185
+Storytime
+--- 2438488
+>>2430093
+--- 2439294
+>>2436537
+What about the bones?
+--- 2439426
+>>2439294
+It's a duck fetus so the bones aren't formed yet. It's texturally similar to biting through soft liver. The taste is pretty mild though, but it is a bit of a mindfuck to be eating a duck fetus.
+--- 2440661
+>>2439426
+Not even a slight crunch?

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+-----
+--- 2417896
+The USA is literally THE ONLY COUNTRY on earth where you have to be vaccinated against covid to gain entry to the country as a foreign tourist. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Even Canada and China don't have these dumb restrictions anymore.
+--- 2417904
+>>2417896 (OP)
+they dont have the infrastructure to deal with an influx of covid cases
+their political landscape is also so that the sheep masses will believe a tangerine politician over medical professionals
+considering the number of anti-vaxxors false rhetoric about vaccines and lack of basic hygiene practices (face masks, hand washing) that spreading a viral disease would be a lot more volatile. This goes hand in hand with their lack of community care (like seen in Japan) and their inability to show concern to other people, nor take any responsibility for their lack of self health. Rather to blame tin-foil hat conspiracy or secret societies than put in the minimal effort.
+
+luckily if you do get vaccinated you dont have to worry about this issue, nor get infected by any of the locals
+--- 2417906
+>2023
+>still sperging about vaccines
+You virgins really need to let go.
+--- 2417921
+>>2417896 (OP)
+>USA is literally THE ONLY COUNTRY on earth where you have to be vaccinated against covid
+False.
+You just have to show documents saying so.
+--- 2417922
+>>2417906
+How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
+--- 2417924
+>>2417904
+>luckily if you do get vaccinated you dont have to worry about this issue, nor get infected by any of the locals
+Please do not spread misinformation, you're literally killing folks that way.
+--- 2417930
+>>2417924
+>oooooh noooo my 0.000001% chance of developing a clot from the shot!
+>noooooo people who got the shot will die within a year....any day now....its close, i promise!
+lol you guys failed so miserably with your false narrative when all your theories imploded. you're hell-bent to die on that hill instead of just admitting you were wrong nor take any responsibility for it
+--- 2417941
+>>2417906
+>lol Geneva convention? Fuck that shit.
+--- 2417961
+>>2417930
+Nobody talked about clots, you sure are obsessed with the consequences of your action.
+However please refrain from further spreading any medical misinformation.
+--- 2418052
+>>2417896 (OP)
+More importantly, what are the chances that I (a native Anglophone) could enter the US unvaccinated and then live the rest of my life there as an illegal alien?
+--- 2418069
+>>2417922
+Israelis also get vaxxed, you jew-hating imbecile.
+--- 2418070
+>>2418069
+So how's the weather in Tel Aviv then?
+--- 2418080
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Why would you even want to visit though lmao
+--- 2418088
+>>2417896 (OP)
+
+Its more for the safety of the US population.
+Ameritards are far too politicised to even see the logic in medical science these days (Americans literally injected bleech into their bodies because Trump told them to)
+
+So now the responsibility falls to us to protect them from themselves, because if they get COVID they will go around licking everyone and spreading it to "own the libz" whatever that means anyway
+--- 2418089
+>>2417896 (OP)
+
+Its more for the safety of the US population.
+Ameritards are far too politicised to even see the logic in medical science these days (Americans literally injected experimental drugs into their bodies because the TV told them to)
+
+So now the responsibility falls to us to protect them from themselves, because if they get AIDS they will go around fucking everyone and spreading it to "own the nazis" whatever that means anyway
+--- 2418095
+>>2417896 (OP)
+It's a culture war thing. They use ridiculous vaccine rules as a form of soft-segregation against conservatives. Most non-Americans don't understand having a government that openly tries to harm and humiliate its own people.
+--- 2418134
+>>2418080
+NYC and DC seem like must-visits, I'd like to combine it with trips to Montreal and Quebec City.
+--- 2418447
+>>2418070
+I'm not Israeli, Adolf Skyrim Hernandez.
+--- 2418463
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Uggh. Govern me harder, daddy Biden. Put a chastity cage over my widdle femcock and dont unlock until I take the non-FDA approved, untested, ineffective, mRNA gene therapy that Pfizer lied about. 
+
+Quarantine me in a motel 8 for half a month because I'm "asymptomatic" and show zero symptoms of infection, daddy Biden. Unnng, I'm a sick widdle boy, yes I am. And I need to be punished. Put my cuck muzzle on right before I climax, it makes it so much more safe and effective. Oh yeah. Take that PCR test, you slut. Take it right up your ass.
+--- 2418472
+>>2418463
+Do other countries have to deal with this phenomena where the government actively works against its own people and a large portion of the population actually encourage it?
+--- 2418543
+>>2418134
+Best places to visit in the US are not cities, the National Park system is excellent, as are many state parks.
+--- 2418619
+>>2418542
+I would love if the vaccine shill would piss off to /pol/, here we discuss travel and travel news.
+--- 2418624
+>>2418447
+>being this afraid of going outside
+There are many shrinks near your place, leaving the basement is the biggest hurdle.
+--- 2419143
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Can't you fake a vaccine record?
+--- 2419338
+Bros, don't take an airplane, what if it just drops to the ground in the middle of the flight? You can't trust the ((science)) my fellow antivax bros, just stay at home where it's safe. If you must, travel by horse, not a ((horseless carriage))
+--- 2419412
+>>2417896 (OP)
+They're either dropping it in April or May allegedly, though the FDA have rugpulled me 3? times already, unironically with the situation being as bad as it is in the UK, I would have killed myself if it weren't my sole motivation to be a US Citizen.
+>>2418080
+Have you seen Europe? or more importantly, if you've seen Britain, everyone who's semi-productive wants to leave to the US or Canada at the minute.
+>>2418052
+Right now? Zero.
+--- 2419459
+>>2418095
+that's insane
+--- 2419460
+>>2418052
+really easy, if you cross through the southern border. helps to learn Spanish though
+--- 2419478
+>>2418095
+Pretty much this.
+--- 2419510
+>>2417921
+I went a couple of weeks ago and just had to say that I was vaccinated, they never asked for any proof at any point.
+--- 2419515
+>>2419510
+>>2419460
+>>2419143
+Feds get out
+--- 2419520
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Who the fuck does even want to go to america at all?
+--- 2419525
+>>2419520
+See
+>>2419412
+You have to understand, your country has had a Chernobyl tier incident in Ohio and yet people are still seething about not being able to get to your country.
+--- 2419568
+>>2417896 (OP)
+im coming from canada to meet some of my american friends. what are the chances they let me in with only 1 (one) shot
+--- 2419573
+>>2419525
+OK, yeah, why DO people want to come to America anymore?
+Aren't we this laughing stock of a reality show?
+Don't people hate our loud and obese population?
+We're not a safe country, not as safe as we used to be.
+You don't have as much free time off work as many European countries
+
+Is it really the money? Do people want to work here to make more money? Or do we still have some popularity because of our national parks or monuments or whatever?
+
+Please answer, as I am legitimately interested. I want out, why do you want in?
+--- 2419574
+>>2419573
+As for immigration you can go to the US, make comparably a lot of money while working for a couple years and then fuck off again.
+Obviously many people don't fuck off again because they either failed to make money or started to like their lives in the US.
+
+As for tourism there are countless nature spots that are well prepared for tourist access, i.e. national and state parks plus many people want to see places they have seen in Hollywood productions.
+--- 2419583
+>>2417896 (OP)
+don't forget about Japan.
+--- 2419585
+>>2419583
+You don't have to be vaccinated to enter Japan, just show that you're covid free within 72 hours of boarding a flight.
+They're also thinking of dropping that requirement in like 3 months.
+--- 2419638
+>>2417904
+What’s it like obsessing over America? How many American things do you use in a day besides your computer hardware the internet and electricity? Basically we’ve infiltrated you so throughly you can’t live without America and you hate that and it humiliates you
+--- 2419818
+I'm vaccinated but my certificate isn't ready yet and probably won´t until tomorrow and I fly to the US in about 4 hours. Do they actually ask for proof or will they send me back?
+--- 2419832
+>>2419818
+They sneakily outsourced to the airlines.
+No document no boarding.
+--- 2419876
+>>2419638
+You know how a good percentage of people were mindbroken by trump and covid. This is the truth about most of the world but for our country. But you shouldnt consider people like that to be people.
+--- 2421150
+>>2417930
+Who said anything about clots? I just didn’t feel like getting it.
+--- 2421461
+>>2418134
+DC has great museums. Other than that it's horrible.
+--- 2421475
+>>2417904
+Now THIS is bait
+--- 2421495
+>>2418543
+That's true for pretty much the entire new world, with few exceptions.
+--- 2421538
+>>2417896 (OP)
+all that shit you were talking
+--- 2421550
+>>2417896 (OP)
+It’s bizarre. Hundreds of people are still dying of covid inside their own country but they seem to not care about that.
+--- 2423738
+>>2418134
+nyc is a shithole unless you live there for work don't bother
+--- 2426175
+>>2419573
+I don't want in, I just want to pass through. This ridiculousness limits my choice in connecting flights leaving me with only the more expensive ones.
+--- 2426194
+>>2426175
+Antivax virgins of /pol/ once again btfo.
+--- 2426236
+They're lifting this shit soon right?
+--- 2426336
+>>2417896 (OP)
+cool stay home commie.
+
+I live in a city of 225k in the Midwest. Unless I was going to my toddlers medical appointments I never once had to wear a mask.
+--- 2426339
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Incorrect, they are in the graceful company of Lybia, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Myanmar and Indonesia
+
+LOL
+--- 2428596
+>>2426236
+Allegedly in either April 11th or May when the USA officially "ends" the COVID """"""Emergency"""""".
+>>2426339
+It's crazy that out of the 23 countries on the No-vax list the USA and it's sphere make up 30% of the current no entry list.
+--- 2428661
+>>2426339
+>>2428596
+Indonesia is still closed? Why? I thought people were traveling to Bali now?
+--- 2428724
+>>2428661
+It's not closed, it has been open to everyone for ages. He's trolling. I was there last year and it was packed with tourists.
+--- 2428732
+>>2428724
+How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
+--- 2429267
+>>2428724
+Okay Mr Shekelstein.
+--- 2429279
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Lol I literally came to this board for the first time just to ask how to get in unvaxxed. Need to go to New York.
+--- 2429280
+>>2429279
+You don't.
+--- 2429282
+>>2429280
+I heard that you can if you take a boat from the Bahamas because the restriction only applies to air and land. Also I heard that they never check vax status on the US side, only your airline does at departure.
+--- 2429284
+>>2429282
+Only issue for me being a Brit is that even with our really good fake-vax apps Airlines were given and are still given tools to check for verification of the QR codes, which the Vax apps do not.
+I've heard Rumours of *some* Canadian land-border checkpoints not caring or asking, but I'd rather not take the risk. By Sea however same thing applies where implying it's through a popular sea port of entry, your vaccination status is still checked.
+Implying you can wait another 2 months the USA *should* drop it, but no guarantees.
+>t. been trying to get to the States to leave Britain permanently for the last 3 years.
+--- 2429286
+>>2429284
+Which the *fake vax apps do not pass*
+State of me I am so drowsy.
+--- 2429288
+>>2429284
+Ivax.app? Yeah same issue, apparently the QR code doesn't actually work. One way around it is to travel via a third country so they won't be able to verify NHS records. Our government also weirdly insisted on a non QR paper version "for older people". I scanned my friend's but the security marks are difficult to reproduce on my printer. 
+
+By sea is 100% legal. it's an actual loophole, the mandate wasn't applied to ferries.
+--- 2429290
+>>2429284
+Are you sure emigrating to the USA is a good idea? The border mandate is a sign that unvaxxed aren't welcome. I've been following the news there and universities and jobs still have vaccine mandates and are still denying unvaxxed transplants especially on the coasts. Unvaxxed are treated like second class citizens
+--- 2429293
+>>2429290
+Not to sound too /pol/ but the trajectory of the States is so fascinating to me, to where sure the country is beyond polarised, however, I see people wanting to fight and that is refreshing to what I see over here, which might as well be a zombie nation, with a zombie people, waiting to throw themselves on the funeral pyre.
+That and I'm a gun enthusiast there's nowhere else to really indulge in that and actively say that I want to kill politicians.
+>>2429288
+>ivax.app
+That's the one hi Anon.
+>Going to a third country
+Interesting and if I didn't want to go for citizenship I'd probably try it. Though I'm planning on potentially heading to the ABC islands if the States don't remove the mandate soon
+>By Ferry 
+It's restricted I double checked ages ago.
+--- 2429412
+>>2429288
+The point about self identifying as "vaccinated" (you will never be fully vaccinated anyway) is to never show documents of the countries involved.
+This means if you're a bong heading to the US, you'll show your CDC vaccination record when checking in to your flight to Canada in London and in Canada or at the US border you show them your NHS documents.
+--- 2429472
+>>2429279
+>unvaxxed
+There is a cure for that.
+--- 2429474
+>>2429267
+Yes it's open to everyone, can't you read?
+--- 2429477
+>>2429474
+How's the weather in Tel Aviv dumbass?
+--- 2429478
+>>2429472
+Do you have an appropriate license to suggest cures?
+--- 2429573
+>>2429412
+Why would bongs have a CDC card?
+--- 2429575
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Our government is worthless and full of fucking retards? They'll let Pablo and Esmeralda hop the border without it though.
+
+But that negatively affects white people so they're OK with it.
+--- 2429576
+>>2429472
+Depends if you define a "ineffective, doesn't stop transmission, not even classed as a traditional vaccine and btw it targeted the original COVID and not the KAJDKAJSLDJSAJD variant we're on now" vaccine a "cure" then sure. 
+But I'd counter and say you deserve a bullet you fucking fed enjoy your Myocarditis NIGGER.
+--- 2429579
+>>2429573
+Even though 1776 was getting rid of bongs the US government allowed them back in sometimes before 2020, so it's not impossible for a British citizen to have received medical treatment in the US.
+You should also not forget about dual citizens traveling on only one of their passports, so a bong using a CDC card and their Bri'ish passport to enter Canada wouldn't be something very strange.
+--- 2429581
+>>2429579
+Fun fact, there are some work visa based residents (if that's the correct legal term) "trapped" in the USA to this day, as they're unvaxxed and can leave, however if they do they'll be immediately denied re-entry even though they're already in the USA.
+--- 2429584
+>>2429579
+I personally know a dual citizen who enters the US on some kind of card and uses his other, stronger passport for anywhere else.
+--- 2429649
+>>2419143
+>>2419515
+Lots of pwople do this wihout an issue.
+
+There are lots of reasons not to get vaxed
+And I only did it to travel. Who gives a shit about your poor imune system
+--- 2429667
+Ok would this work?
+>Fly UK to Canada, Canada doesn't ask for any vaxpass anymore right?
+>Stay a few days pretending to be on holiday
+>Fly Canada to USA showing them fake NHS app, they can't scan it overseas right?
+>Fly USA to UK
+--- 2429672
+>>2429667
+Correct, that should work.
+--- 2429677
+>>2417922
+seems pretty comfy, not cold, but not too hot right now
+--- 2429690
+>>2429667
+This would also work:
+>go to vaccination center
+>get vaccinated
+
+A lot easier than what the kissless virgin NEETs of /pol/ suggest.
+--- 2429693
+>>2429672
+Thanks
+>>2429690
+Enjoy your heart attack.
+--- 2429695
+>>2429690
+That sounds like a lot of effort comparing to just filling out a form and printing it.
+Not to mention the risks involved with participating in a medical trial.
+--- 2429697
+>>2429279
+Wait until the law runs out in April and they don't renew it.
+--- 2429699
+>>2429697
+People said that in November and January. It's clear it will remain in force as long as the Democrats are in power.
+--- 2429703
+Why would you ever want to come to this third world dump anyways? Our joke of a government is doing everybody a favor trying to keep you out.
+--- 2429709
+>>2417896 (OP)
+ask Israel, they write our foreign policy
+--- 2429787
+>>2429667
+Was tempted to do this, unironically if this thread is still alive be sure to update as I'll be waiting it out.
+--- 2431192
+>>2417896 (OP)
+The place has gone full-authoritarian. The little-bit-of-power plebs with forever govt jobs (the deep state) take pleasure in whatever hoops they can put in front of anyone, especially foreign tourists. Even before Covid, foreigners going though passport control/customs were treated like terrorists. I'm an American and was out of the country for a year and got grilled coming home. They asked me if I had ever been to Cuba, among other questions implying a lack of patriotism. It's become Cunt Nation.
+--- 2431210
+>>2417896 (OP)
+WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO COME HERE I WANT TO GET OUT OUT OUT
+--- 2431212
+>>2431210
+They all want to drive Route 66 in a Mustang convertible.
+--- 2431242
+>>2429667
+Yeah it should work if your goal is to get into a jail cell at the airport with a bunch of our finest citizens kek
+--- 2431283
+>>2431242
+US immigration doesn't have access to foreign medical records and I've never heard of anyone being asked for their vax status on the US side anyway, it's always done by the airline at departure if at all. Half don't even check apparently
+>>2431212
+This basically.
+--- 2431286
+>>2431192
+Why didn't you tell them you shook Castro's hand? What are they going to do? Deny you entry? You are an American.
+--- 2431322
+>>2417930
+Nobody said anything about the clots you dumbass, the point is that you get sick even with a "vaccine".
+--- 2431410
+>>2418134
+>>2421461
+DC has great music. Also, if you're east of the Mississippi, much of the natural beauty will be found in state parks, not national; the crowds will also be smaller.
+
+Oh, another protip, the best, most interesting art in America is usually found in ghetto dumps and/or second and third rate cities. The culture you find in New York will in many ways actually be worse than what you might find in shitholes like Baltimore or Rochester if you know how to look.
+--- 2431478
+>>2431210
+Too bad you're american in the first place.
+The most useless people. 
+You can't get out because you have no clue how to try.
+--- 2431492
+>>2431286
+Um, they'll detain you at the border and debrief you on every single thing you did there you retard
+--- 2431592
+Vaxtards/Vaxchuds debate aside
+
+The choice to keep the vaccine mandate on while the world moved on was mostly a political move. The US is an oligarchy owned by corporate interests.
+
+With that said, it's extremely easy to get into the US without being vaccinated and people do so every day. People normally just use the fake NHS app and show the paper that they're vaxxed since they don't scan shit and 99% of the people checking it received no training in detecting fake documents. 
+
+For the leafs, many border areas don't even ask for it if you get into the US by car.
+
+>>2431242
+
+I got friends with photoshopped papers who got in no questions asked, no one checks, literally.
+--- 2431619
+>>2417896 (OP)
+I entered as an unwashed. I was forced into the illegal room as my passports microchip is non-functioning. 
+I joked with the border force how those in said room should have simply entered by the wide open southern border - they laughed and waved me on my way within 15 minutes total.
+They did not check my covid documentation. Neither did UK flight customs. They do not care.
+--- 2431623
+>>2431619
+It's almost entirely the airlines that do it because they're the ones on the hook for taking you back if you're inadmissible. If you get past them, you can usually get in.
+--- 2431849
+>>2426175
+Not our problem
+--- 2432103
+>>2431849
+Actually the incapability to properly secure your borders is a big problem of yours.
+Even third world shitholes manage to keep track of who enters and leaves their countries.
+--- 2432392
+>Get a notification that Congress voted to end the COVID emergency
+>MFW HR.185 the bill that actually remove the COVID entry mandate died in committee over 2 months ago
+I'm demoralised as is, I don't want to see the TSA auto extend the mandate to July 11th
+--- 2432405
+>>2417896 (OP)
+i had no intention to go there anyway
+
+You only need to see shit infested cities like San Francisco once in a lifetime.
+--- 2433017
+>>2431619
+What airport was this in? No way would you have got away with this joke at JFK or LAX
+--- 2433018
+>>2431592
+How many people do you know who have used the NHS app?
+--- 2433061
+Travelling there in July, hope they lift the restrictions by then or I'll have to lie hehe
+--- 2433145
+>>2431478
+You fuckin dumbass. I have a passport. I’m asking OP why he even wants to come to this fucking nightmare shithole
+--- 2433173
+>>2431212
+Non-American and yes 
+
+I’d do this and leave never to come back
+--- 2433245
+>>2433145
+>MFW Americans unironically don't know how good they have it.
+Compared to America, Britain in comparison, sure we have castles and some beautiful places, overall we are a Balkan nation masquerading as a first world nation. 
+It's not just the vast and beautiful land that America has, but also the ideas of the people there really enchant me personally, you have a distinct sense of freedom.
+Don't get me wrong others have mentioned SF and other Shitholes, but I'm hoping to do a tour of the East coast and whilst some may point to the current administration, people forget that as much as Biden is a fucking Catholic election rigging nigger and has tried to kill the country and economy, the administration doesn't last forever, and I don't see the USA on a permanently downward trend like the UK.
+--- 2433300
+>>2431210
+Its exotic and interesting. I would never want to live there tho. Im happy in my balkan "shithole".
+--- 2433313
+>>2433245
+Honestly that warms my heart and I’m glad you see some good in us. >>2433300
+Fair enough
+--- 2433367
+>>2433245
+USA has better natural scenery, more freedom and a better economy but worse culture, art and architecture. If I was rich I'd prefer USA but as a poor brit I can still enjoy living in a quaint medieval town but if you are poor in USA you will be living in some soulless ghetto.
+--- 2433406
+>>2433313
+It's strange to explain but a lot of friends of mine are of the same opinion that, for instance, I love European History, European Culture, but I have no interest in actually travelling to anywhere in Europe, nowhere is screaming at me saying
+>COME HERE VISIT MEEEE AHHHH
+But the allure of what is effectively 50 Englands, all stitched together, across this land of Woodlands, Plains, Desert and even Swamps just existing, it's there, it's so wide and spacious that Europeans can't even comprehend that Vermont has more woodland than England has, or that Texas is 20% larger than the entirety of France, but that is just a single state of this grand union. 
+The people too, whilst you have your ghetto niggers, and California socialities, you have a generally simple people, an industrious people, a people who want to be rich and refuse the call of managed decline, people who want to live their lives to the fullest and are (rightfully) skeptical of the government, it's enchanting to me, do I have an idealised view? Yes, most definitely, but the difference is the States can evoke that hope, Britain is a zombie nation, with a zombie people waiting to die and I want no part of it.
+>>2433367
+But in America you have the freedom to move to whatever state befits you. Here, I have lived in the same 10 mile radius in about 16 different houses (fmr rich fag) and will forever be stuck to this area, the states not so much.
+--- 2433572
+>>2418088
+covid vaccination offers negative protection now plus the risk of side effects
+--- 2433573
+>>2418472
+same thing here in australia
+--- 2433577
+>>2429703
+some of us just want to transit
+--- 2433591
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Fuck tourists
+--- 2433685
+>>2433406
+*tears up*
+E-enjoy your trip :’)
+--- 2433780
+>>2418088
+>Its more for the safety of the US population.
+No, it's actually to boost the profits of big pharma companies like Phizer.
+>Americans literally injected bleech into their bodies because Trump told them to
+Nope, that was propaganda and fairly obvious propaganda at that. You are either lying or you have an IQ below 100.
+>So now the responsibility falls to us to protect them from themselves
+You don't protect shit and nobody respects you.
+>because if they get COVID they will go around licking everyone and spreading it to "own the libz" 
+I actually did this. I went to a left wing part of the city I used to live in, spat on my hands, and touched every door handle in the grocery store and surrounding gas stations. I hate leftists with every fiber of my being and I make them suffer at every opportunity I find. Go fuck yourself.
+--- 2433783
+>>2418095
+This
+--- 2434698
+Fly to mexico (No vax required), go to cancun, pay some dollars (don't be cheap )to one of these folks/qts in the vaxaids medical tents on the streets, to give you some vax papers, then fly to wherever you want
+
+I did the same and two years later, still no problems. Don't know if is possible to do so on 2023 when the vax is almost irelevant
+--- 2434778
+>>2434698
+Based global travel circumventer
+--- 2435019
+It's been extended to May, but the fact they keep dropping the review date gives me hope it will end soon. I heard the US is dropping some of it's covid emergency powers soon, any US anons know what's happening?
+--- 2435024
+>>2433572
+[Citation needed]
+--- 2435030
+>>2417930
+Vaccinated fags still seething about level headed, fear-mongering resilient chads refusing to get forcibly injected with mystery gene therapy serum and reaping zero consequences for not getting it. Not vaccinated, got sick for like a week, wasn't a big deal, no regrets.
+--- 2435123
+>>2435030
+they just want others to be as miserable as them for taking it.
+They are still coping and seething because they thought they would be rewarded for being god goy cattle
+>>2435030
+>No vax chads reaping zero consequences for not getting it.
+
+mostly because this
+--- 2435139
+>>2435030
+>level headed vaxxed chads traveling and living normally
+>unvaxxed virgins still seething in their mom's basement for 2 years
+It makes sense that since you were too scared to be vaccinated, you're too scared to admit you were wrong the whole time. You'd rather cope and pretend that in just two more weeks you'll finally lose your virginity because unvaxxed sperm or something. Herd mentality is one hell of a thing.
+--- 2435140
+>>2417896 (OP)
+I've a visa schedule in sep..do they reject visas if you are unvaxxed?
+--- 2435146
+>>2435139
+How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
+--- 2435266
+>>2434698
+How much did you offer them? Did they accept straight away or tried to act offended?
+--- 2435285
+>>2417896 (OP)
+lol @ redditors being more knowledgeable about this subject. Bunch of boomers on the USVaccineMandate subreddit have talked about the Bahamas route for months. About to try it out myself tomorrow at 6:00pm EST as a unvaxxed Canadian citizen.
+--- 2435385
+>>2417896 (OP)
+Wait, still? Seriously? What the fuck? Hell I'm American and I didn't know this.
+t. never got the jab
+--- 2435402
+>>2418134
+I was just in NYC for work and it's worse than any "Shithole" I've be been to in Europe or Asia. I was literally high stepping over packs of rats in Manhattan. They leave their trash in the streets in massive piles. Everything looks like it came from 1982. It's crazy. I saw active crimes happening and no one did anything.
+--- 2435559
+>>2435285
+Please gimmie an update when you can
+--- 2435736
+>>2435559
+Will do. Just successfully got my boarding passes for the Balearia ferry from Bimini to Ft. Lauderdale without issue, no asking for vaccine proof or anything, just my passport. Another hour before I board and then I won’t be going through customs until around 8pm EST (ship doesn’t leave until 6pm). Will give another update once I’m completely through.
+--- 2435782
+>>2435736
+>>2435559
+Successfully boarded.
+--- 2435819
+Indonesia is much worse
+they don't want people going to bali and fucking western values into girls
+--- 2435872
+>>2435782
+My arse is squeezed for you Anon.
+--- 2435953
+>>2435872
+>>2435782
+>>2435559
+lol was able to get through customs easily. Took forever (1.5 hours) but nothing at all about covid.
+--- 2435994
+>>2435953
+And to clarify, the reason it took this long is because there were only 2 people working at customs and they were processing around 500 people. One for foreigners and one for US citizens. The foreigner line was spending 2-3 minutes per person and groups of 4 people weren’t being moved quicker than 4 single people. It also depended on what country you were from. I saw a lot of people from even Europe having to have their fingerprints taken, as a Canadian all I had to do was have a picture taken and then answer typical easy questions about what I was going to be doing. If anyone wants me to write up the exact Bahamas method to get in, I can do that in a separate post.
+--- 2436131
+>>2417896 (OP)
+my mom says it's because the vaccines are american, thus they make money by forcing tourists to get vaccinated
+--- 2436142
+>>2436131
+The US has roughly lost an estimated $80bn from lost tourist revenues.
+>>2435994
+So as a Europe I'd expect to be finger printed then? And yeah please, whilst I'm going to go after May. I'd still like a write up on the process if you can Anon.
+Happy Travels
+--- 2436198
+>>2436142
+Alright here’s a basic breakdown:
+1. You’ll have to find a way to Nassau, Bahamas. If you’re in Europe you’ll either have to fly to Toronto first and then fly from there or use a connecting flight that doesn’t land in the United States.
+2. Once there you have three options. a) Fly from Nassau to Bimini and then take the Balearia Ferry from Bimini to Ft. Lauderdale. b) Fly from Nassau to Freeport and then take the Balearia Ferry from Freeport to Ft. Lauderdale. c) There is a ‘Margaritaville at Sea’ cruise that goes Ft Lauderdale -> Nassau -> Ft Lauderdale. Apparently if you contact them you can get on at Nassau and take the rest of the cruise to Ft Lauderdale.
+3. Also the Ferry schedule for Bimini to Ft Lauderdale is Wed, Fri, Sun. The ferry schedule for Freeport to Ft Lauderdale is Wed, Sat. I don’t know much about the third option other than it is much cheaper (the cruise costs about the same as the ferry) as you won’t have to fly from Nassau to another island in the Bahamas but I can’t confirm this will work.
+I used option a). The flight to Bimini was $400USD for 2 people. The hotel in Bimini was $400USD and the ferry to Ft Lauderdale was $450USD. I had to stay a night in Bimini because my flight arrived at 4:00pm and the ferry left at 6:00pm and I didn’t want to chance it. There are however flights to Bimini that land around 9am and then if you time it properly you won’t have to stay a night in Bimini. There’s only one flight per day from Nassau to Bimini and the departure differs from day to day. It’s also only about a 30 minute flight. If you have any questions let me know.
+--- 2436204
+>>2436142
+And yes there is a good chance you would be fingerprinted but these could have just been people who were living outside countries that are eligible for an ESTA. Most people that I saw go through had to be fingerprinted.
+--- 2436276
+>>2417896 (OP)
+So I imagine there is no chance in the near future it to be softened like the japanese did with their entry requirement?
+--- 2436297
+Will be going to Vancouver soon, but might as well want to stop in the US. Can anyone confirm if anybody checks covid shit through land border? (By car)
+--- 2436321
+>>2436297
+From what I’ve heard it’s a 50/50 chance that they even ask if you are vaccinated. Then if they do ask it’s another 50/50 chance that they ask for proof if you tell them yes. You can just bullshit them and say you forgot if they catch you and it shouldn’t be a big deal to just turn around but you won’t be able to book things in the US in advance unless you’re willing to gamble the costs. Unfortunately the only guaranteed way of getting in is via the Bahamas.
+--- 2436324
+>planning trip to the usa
+>New York To LA is 6hours
+
+How the fuck? America isn't even that big, 6 hours you can go from london to France to Turkey. IS it because amerimutts are so fat they slow the plane down or something?
+--- 2436346
+>>2436324
+
+london to paris to istanbul is ~2600 km. NY to LA is ~4000 km. 
+
+>eurosharts in charge of math.
+--- 2436382
+>>2417904
+Faggot
+--- 2436384
+>>2418088
+>>2418089
+Why did this bot post the same thing three minutes later?
+--- 2436443
+>>2417906
+They've made it their personality. It's all they have left now that the MAGA stuff is losing steam.
+--- 2436587
+>>2435024
+you actually think it's a good idea to inject a vaccine that targets 3 year old spike proteins? how fucking retard are you
+--- 2436588
+>>2434698
+I don't think those tents have been a thing for 2 years now
+--- 2436590
+>>2435819
+surely people who got the vaccine would be less compatible with islam?
+--- 2436591
+>>2436443
+yes I'm sure that's the reason and not because the us still has a vaccine mandate
+--- 2436635
+https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3924782-senate-votes-to-end-covid-19-national-emergency/
+
+https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3924499-biden-declines-to-veto-gop-led-measure-to-end-covid-19-emergency/
+
+So it seems we actually will be allowed back in to Burgerland on May 11th. Based. 
+I don't trust Biden to do anything sensible he says he will do but it seems the writing is on the wall on this one. 
+Good time to buy plane tickets?
+
+And what's this about visa waivers taking forever? Is that still a thing? It was like a day or something in the past?
+--- 2436755
+>>2429279
+Fly to Tijuana, Mexico then walk across the border (legally which is easy as shit) and then board a domestic flight in San Diego to NYC. Not a single vaccine needed.
+--- 2437063
+Any anons know if you had to upload vaxpasses to get ESTA visa waivers back in the day?
+--- 2437078
+>>2437063
+No, they dont even ask for it
+--- 2437081
+>>2437078
+Based. Thanks.
+Does it still work the same way as before the plandemic? Sort the waiver online, get approved, print the approval off and bring that with you and then there's nothing else to do?
+--- 2437142
+>>2436635
+>So it seems we actually will be allowed back in to Burgerland on May 11th.
+Uh what? Everyone has been able to enter Burgerland since 2021. In what alternate basement-dwelling reality do you live in?
+--- 2437162
+>>2437142
+--- 2437201
+>>2437081
+That's right. I have my fly to NYC this Sunday and as far as i know they will only ask for the vaxproof before boarding so i will try showing a fake and see what happen
+--- 2437221
+>>2437201
+Intredasting. Please give your report here.
+To be honest I'm not planning to do anything like that but am hoping to enter legally this summer and it looks like I will be able to.
+--- 2437583
+Thank you, Republicans, for finally ending this covid madness. Now, after three long years, I can see my family again without injecting myself with Pfizer's myocarditis cancer seizure death juice.
+--- 2437733
+>>2437583
+So does that include the vaccine?
+I can go to US like, next week?
+--- 2437741
+>>2437733
+Supposedly yes, but the CDC hasnt updated their website yet. Better send those commie fuckers an email. 
+https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html
+--- 2437749
+>>2437733
+You have always been able to go to the US. Unless you are a basement dwelling kissless virgin.
+--- 2437755
+>>2437749
+Remember that time a US citizen got arrested in Hawaii for being unvaccinated and presenting a fake vaccination pass? Maybe you forgot because you were too busy shoving Faucci's cock down your throat for three years.
+--- 2437771
+>>2437749
+Unvaccinated non-citizens have been unable to visit for three years.
+--- 2437780
+>>2437771
+Like you said, you have been able to visit unless you are a basement dwelling kissless virgin.
+--- 2437795
+What will they do abut the poor vaccine shills once the mandate is over?
+Will they be repurposed into Taiwan shills or straight into recrooters?
+--- 2437918
+lol the country with over a million covid deaths somehow still thinks these mandates help at all
+--- 2438456
+>>2437749
+posts like this really show you how low vaxxie IQ are lol
+--- 2438510
+>>2435266
+>>2435266
+>How much did you offer them?
+
+i was really desperate and no way i was going to take the vax. I offered them $1000 just because i could.. ($ i was thinking about just $500 but whatever) 
+>Did they accept straight away or tried to act offended?
+
+dude, it's Mexico, corruption is everywhere and everybody love some easy dollars.
+also i had to deal with 2 nice women and one guy (not so many people) so i think it was easier for me 
+
+>>2436588
+If you say so.. because as i said, nobody cares about covid and vaxpassports anymore. Also those tents were more available when covid cases were "higher" and some tourists wanted to to get tested
+--- 2438642
+>>2437733
+>>2437741
+https://www.freightwaves.com/news/us-border-vaccine-rules-remain-as-biden-ends-covid-national-emergency
+
+>President Joe Biden signed legislation Monday to immediately end the U.S. national emergency response for COVID-19, weeks before it was set to expire alongside a separate public health emergency.
+>However, the public health emergency — which does not allow unvaccinated non-U.S. citizens to enter the country — remains in place until May 11. 
+>It’s unclear if the border vaccine requirements for non-U.S. citizens will end in May. The bill Biden signed Monday did not mention ending the vaccine mandate for non-U.S. citizens at the border, and White House officials have not commented on when the requirements will be lifted.
+So we're still not allowed back in. 
+Mainstream news are saying Biden is planning to let the thing end on May 11th. The criminals are not even pretending it's about fear of covid any more, it's about giving the so-called health services time to prepare to adapt to new guidelines.
+It's going to look completely ridiculous if Biden and his people decide to not let the other emergency lapse after ending the first emergency. And it's going to look absurdly unreasonable if the barbaric nonsense of the vaxpass entry requirement is maintained after May 11th. 
+However looking completely ridiculous and absurdly unreasonable is nothing new for these guys so I'm not buying my tickets just yet.
+--- 2438775
+Antivaxxers still seething lol
+--- 2438852
+>>2438775
+>I'm so glad I got the Sho....ACK
+>>2438642
+The big question for me is how long will they keep the COVID-19 vaccine requirement for permanent residents, I'm guessing maybe 2-3 years at worst. But if I talk about it more jannies will ban me for violating rule 1.
+--- 2438854
+So do we still need to be vaccinated to fly in? I need to my visit my family.
+--- 2438855
+>>2438642
+What a pathetic country.
+--- 2438856
+>>2438854
+If you're a US Citizen? No. If you're a dirty foreign like me and not a spic crossing the border illegally, Yes.
+--- 2438865
+>>2438856
+what the fuck? I'll be denied entry if I fly in? My friends drove across the border and they didnt ask for a covid passport
+--- 2438878
+>>2438865
+You'll be stopped before you board the flight. 
+Land passages have been hit or miss on asking for Vaxpasses.
+--- 2438882
+>>2438852
+Residents can easily self-identify as vaccinated, it's the foreigners flying in from first world countries who are the ones affected.
+--- 2438890
+>>2438882
+For me I'm planning on getting married to my American GF and going for full citizenship so I'll have full proof of all other vaccinations required, with exception to the COVID vaccine, so my hope is either they rescind it soonish after May 11th (1-3 year time scale) as the Swiss, the British, the Australians and etc are all outright saying
+>Sorry we will literally not give you the vax it's too dangerous.
+But I do think there's an exemption if the vaccine is unavailable in your home country at least.
+There's also potentially using ivax.app but I'm scared of getting nuked by jannies than saying more than that.
+--- 2438894
+>>2438852
+>The big question for me is how long will they keep the COVID-19 vaccine requirement for permanent residents
+The optimistic scenario is that it all goes when (if?) the "emergency" officially ends on May 11th. Would be nice if they were clear about this as it's so obviously pure vindictiveness at this point. But then it's naive to expect more from these people.
+
+>>2438865
+>what the fuck? I'll be denied entry if I fly in?
+From what I gather, you will likely be asked at the airport to show your version of pic related. Everyone I know who has been to the US says they have had to do this. They won't let you on the plane if you don't have it.
+It seems that some land border crossings are not asking for vaxpasses, or at least they aren't asking some of the time, but there's a large element of luck in there... I want to visit the US but not enough to risk being stuck in Canada with a rental car I'm now unable to deliver to the right place.
+The Bahamas route mentioned ITT sounds interesting if you really need to get in. But I can't be bothered to go to the Bahamas.
+
+>>2438855
+Word to the wise, anon. If you're trying to play "which country is the most cucked?" then you've already lost.
+--- 2438896
+>>2438878
+Fockin 'ell
+--- 2439477
+>>2438894
+All cuckolds partake in their fetish voluntarily, just like how yankoids voluntarily allowed voter fraud despite having access to weapons.
+--- 2439943
+>>2438894
+Ask your friends if they still actually scan it. if they don't then just generate a fake one with ivax.app

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+-----
+--- 2418611
+What are the pros and cons of living in Florida?
+--- 2418615
+>>2418611 (OP)
+Florida's such a diverse place. You've got: 
+
+>Jews living in Palm Beach
+>blacks in Broward County
+>nouveau riche Latinos in Miami
+>inbred dysgenic whites in Pensacola
+>decrepit boomers and bored teens snorting oxy in Port St. Lucie
+
+And never the twain shall meet. The living conditions and life experiences vary widely from one community to another. That's like asking, "what's life in America like?" It's a very loaded question.
+--- 2418630
+>>2418611 (OP)
+>Pros
+November, December, January, February, March, April
+
+>Cons
+May, June, July, August, September, October
+--- 2418682
+>>2418611 (OP)
+The only con is the potential issue of roach & those roach-like bugs. Keep your place clean, and keep your landlords balls to the fir.e if you rent with keeping the place bug-free
+--- 2418693
+>>2418615
+
+What about Collier County?
+--- 2419457
+>>2418611 (OP)
+Pros:
+•
+Cons:
+• living in Florida
+--- 2419656
+>>2418611 (OP)
+Depends on what you like.
+The rural living is Southern rural living.
+The suburban sprawl everywhere is generally pretty soulless unless you live in/near a coastal community and like aquatic activities (beach/boat/fish/surf) in which case, it is Peak Comfy and Real Florida
+Urban areas are all their own little microstates.
+- SoFLA is LATAM
+- Tampa/St Pete is not
+- Orlando is shit
+- Jacksonville is Black Belt South (50/50 white/black)
+- Panhandle is Redneck Riviera and low-key comfy... for now
+
+The humidity and bugs are real, and Euros are not built for the tropics, so that's a thing. Traffic is awful because of all the new transplants and housing market has not quit melting up. It's anti-comfy to see the reckless abandon with which the state is being developed. The tree huggers aren't always right, but they were clearly onto something.
+
+t. Tampa Bay area
+--- 2419691
+if youre in a walkable area its god tier. the sprawl is unbearable though, and the pavement and heat is nauseating.
+
+stay within a mile of the coast or don't bother.
+--- 2420418
+>>2418682
+There is no reason to have bugs living in your house but you sure as fuck will have them constantly trying to get inside from the outdoors. Big ones. But that is a good sign. If you have little ones then you need to spray the house. It isn't you fault if one shows up every now and then right before a storm or cold front. It is your fault if they live long enough to lay eggs.
+And as a landlord fuck that shit, it is the filthy tenants who bring the bugs in.
+--- 2420629
+>>2418682
+Talstar P. It's like $50 on Amazon and will keep your house bug free for 3+ months
+--- 2420633
+Been to most of the state, my rankings:
+Tampa/St Pete - 8/10
+Orlando - 6/10
+Jacksonville - 6/10
+Panhandle - varies wildly. Some great areas, some super trashy bad areas 
+Miami - 3/10 
+Ft Lauderdale - 5/10
+Jupiter/West Palm Beach - 8/10 
+Haven't spent time in SW FL or the keys so can't rate those. If I had to move to FL I'd live in St Pete or Jupiter
+--- 2420669
+>>2418611 (OP)
+Just left there, after a 10 year stint...full of old people poor and rich alike, shitty tourists, drugs, heat & humidity (basically stay in side all day with AC), flat, mosquitos, lots of mixed cultures tourists and transplants, corrupt legal system (ole boy), now the state is flooded with migrating boomers, and gen x, fleeing their poorly run states in the great lakes region....these newbie transplants are rude, rich, and don't understand what it is like to live in Florida. Place is an expensive mess...
+
+positive's can make a buck on all the tourists etc...and fishing / boating if you are into that
+--- 2420684
+I've lived in Orlando on/off since 2004.
+
+Florida has a whole has a ton to offer for leisure activities. The only things you won't find in the state are obviously winter sports and any type of activities involving actual mountains. Frankly, if you're ever bored living in Florida you're just a boring person. That being said, you're in luck, because Miami/FLL/MCO airports are pretty good hubs for international travel. I used to routinely find (Spirit) flights to Cartagena, Colombia for like 200-250 bucks. Copenhagen was just like $450 out of MCO a week or two ago.
+
+Downsides: Career opportunities (in-person) are kind of lacking if your industry isn't tourism or defense. Property taxes here suck, but it's offset by no income tax. By the way, homeowners insurance also fucking sucks because of hurricanes. Speaking of weather, you're only getting about a combined six weeks of "cold" weather. Enjoy running the AC for the other 10.5 months. Public transportation is nearly non-existent, you'll need a car without a doubt. That way you can also experience some of the worst drivers in the nation up and down the state (especially Miami). Cost of living has been jacked up because of the tourists becoming residents over the past 2-3 years. I think the Tampa area was the fastest growing region in the US during that time.
+
+There are more pros/cons but that's the gist of it. Florida is based if you can afford it, can deal with the weather, and can deal with the population boom.
+--- 2421687
+>>2420684
+>Public transportation is nearly non-existent
+
+I relied entirely on Lynx bus service during my last trip to Orlando and it seemed great for what I was doing. Is it just very limited in its range or what?
+--- 2421979
+>>2419656
+>t. Tampa Bay area
+I might leave this area, its crazy how much it has changed in the past 3 years
+--- 2422062
+Pros: prices aren't the worst. Beaches exist. Winter is never potentially deadly.
+Cons: drugs and crazies everywhere, some of the most backwoods people you've ever seen, mosquito hell, summer can burn you so bad you shed like a snake, Christians and hobos yelling on street corners, the whole state is a mix of small cities and vast rural areas where there is absolutely nothing
+--- 2422100
+>>2422062
+>prices aren't the worst.
+My apartments rent used to be 900 1BR, 1Bath a month in 2020. Now it is 1600 a month
+--- 2422181
+I think Florida is the best representation of what a Euro thinks America is like if they’re the type to want to come here. No Euro is prepared for burger-style gigahypergamy however.
+--- 2422193
+>>2418611 (OP)
+Cons:
+Traffic can be a nightmare. The latinos/hispanics drive like they're in a fast and furious movie Tokyo drifting around your car. God forbid you switch lanes in front of one of them oncoming. Traffic congestion is terrible in all of the touristy places and it's gotten worse since covid as a lost of people moved to them to WFH.
+
+The lakes are more like swamps and have a brain-eating amoeba that will kill you living in them.
+
+There are gators everywhere (and crocs in the south). Especially anywhere near water.. which is also everywhere since the entire state is pocked by mostly near-circular lakes. If you look at a satellite map there is a big strip that ends in Lake Okeechobee and the surrounding Everglades region... almost like a giant ball of ice was flung onto the terrain in ancient times, braking up and making all the lakes and striking/melting the south. Because that probably actually happened.
+
+Lizards and cockroaches will get into your house. The cockroaches might infest if even. Mosquitoes are bad in this state.
+
+It gets miserable hot and humid in the warmer months. If your power goes out and you don't have air, you're screwed plus you don't have a basement to cool down in.
+
+Hurricanes and tropical storms will wreck your shit.
+
+No basements cause water table. Also sink holes. 
+
+Sun will fade anything outside.
+
+And the various demographic problems mentioned above.
+
+Pros are obvious. Sub-tropical climate, great in the winter. Something calming about palm trees, at least for me. Miles of beach, some of it untouched (but usually the private ones).
+--- 2422257
+>>2418611 (OP)
+I am looking to leave. As soon as Biden got in, people swarmed the state as its the last place for freedom. Now the traffic is bad, libs everywhere, crime is up, price of living in every way is up. I want out.
+--- 2422260
+>>2418630
+lmao facts
+--- 2422263
+>>2418682
+Facts. plus mosquitoes
+--- 2422264
+>>2418693
+>no green everywhere
+looks like AZ not FL
+--- 2422269
+>>2422062
+go back
+--- 2422283
+Too many out of state faggots coming here and not dumping their faggy liberal policies that forced them to come here in the first place
+It's crowded as fuck out here and any outdoor activities require money for a boat and shit
+And thats assuming you own enough property to do whatever you want without dealing with the lack of space or some faggy HOA
+This is my home state so at least I will fight to at least have a place here because Florida is too precious to me
+--- 2422364
+>>2422283
+My swimming hole that used to be quiet and peaceful is now packed with urbanites. I should have bought land and house when it was cheap. Had no idea libs were going to ruin it here.
+--- 2422368
+its an unaffordable hellhole now
+--- 2422455
+Pros
+Can you become one of those annoying faggots who make living in Florida their entire personality.
+--- 2422480
+>>2422364
+To be fair, prices shot up where I live as well, and it was already a northeastern lib shithole. Blame Blackrock and a certain ethnoreligious group for our problems.
+--- 2422487
+>>2422455
+No
+You have be born here, live through at least hurricane, eat a pub sub, get in one car accident, go 100+ mph on either the turnpike or 95, and have no idea how to handle the cold
+I'll be lenient on the hurricanes because nature has been too kind but everything else is a must
+--- 2422632
+>>2422487
+Don't forget a DWI charge
+--- 2422758
+I’ve been looking at Wesley chapel near Tampa maybe moving from the west coast
+--- 2422767
+>>2422758
+I've heard good things about St. Petersburg as well
+--- 2422774
+>>2422767
+>>2422758
+don't come here its a nightmare with traffic now. My old 20 minute commute to work has turned into a 45 minute one now. housing prices are insane now also
+--- 2422876
+>>2422767
+St Pete sucks. Try Clearwater or Dunedin.
+--- 2422928
+>>2422480
+live in reality or leave the thread. liberals caused ALL of this
+--- 2423097
+>>2418630
+I see it as December, January, August, August, August etc.
+--- 2423098
+>>2419457
+Thanks, stay away.
+--- 2423104
+>>2422876
+Truth
+--- 2423116
+>>2423098
+Way ahead of you. Left over a decade ago, never going back.
+--- 2423119
+>>2423116
+Good.
+--- 2423175
+You get paranoid standing next to a river or lake because of alligators and crocodiles
+--- 2423607
+>>2422928
+aren't a lot of conservatives from other states moving to FL?
+--- 2424914
+>>2423607
+
+Thats because of DeSantis and his minions running the state. Sure, there's no state income tax but what else is really all that great about Florida? 
+
+Florida is a magnet for old white conservatives. All the snowbirds and people from flyover states move down here add to that the Trump fans driving around with Confederate flags attached to their trucks along with ugly antisemitic or anti-gay stickers plastered on the windows, and it was enough to say goodbye. We are extremely happy we did, as we feel safe now.
+
+Florida offers nothing other than off and on polluted beaches and three months of great weather. Let’s not forget the soaring costs of living there.
+--- 2424929
+>>2419691
+>stay within a mile of the coast or don't bother
+Until a hurricane wrecks your shit and even if your place is intact you don't how power for over a week or usable Internet for a month. I prefer inland on a nice lake and don't mind commuting an hour to either coast for the hurricane reason alone.
+--- 2425000
+>>2422487
+I can't wait for a huge Cat 4 or 5 to slam into West Palm or even here in Tampa. I want the Covid refugees to leave SO FUCKING BAD bros.
+The other storm that's coming - the financial one - may do just as much damage. Here's to hoping.
+--- 2425003
+anyone here like raider klan?
+--- 2425005
+>>2424914
+Are you trans?
+--- 2425778
+>>2423607
+As soon as Biden got in, ppl poured into FL and many of them have LGBT flags. They completely wrecked the good life I had and they are wealthier
+--- 2425779
+>>2425778
+Dude where tf do you live???
+--- 2426824
+>>2419656
+How are the women in Tampa
+--- 2426847
+>>2422876
+I'm from Dunedin and there's fuck all to do there. If you are a Midwest transplant who loves mediocre sports bar Applebees bullshit then the Pinellas county sprawl outside of St Pete will be magic, otherwise don't bother.
+
+The beaches are nice though
+--- 2428374
+>>2418611 (OP)
+--- 2428375
+>>2425779
+Eatonville
+--- 2428382
+>>2426847
+Main Street is comfy. Go get a beer at Rosie's and then wander over to Stratchan's for some ice cream.
+--- 2428421
+>>2418615
+As a fellow American I understand what you mean by differences do you have any opinion of the Tampa suburbs besides they’re typical suburbs?
+--- 2428428
+>>2418615
+>noveau riche latinos in miami
+Coral Gables and Weston*
+
+I can assure you I'm not noveau riche living in western part of dade-county.
+
+>inbred dysgenic whites in Pensacola
+That's all of the panhandle. I went there for my cousin's wedding years ago and I saw a lot of morbidly obese whites. First time I saw the shart mart scooter user, I thought it was a meme until that point. Mind you I went to Panama City Beach.
+
+also fuck off we're full
+--- 2428454
+>>2428375
+Oh nice bro I'm in Orlando. You tryin to fuck or nah? Haha. Ha.
+--- 2428772
+Orlando is shit, avoid it unless you like depression
+
+Tampa Bay is based af, i find it's like Miami minus the niggers and weirdos and most latinos are pretty chill
+
+Fort Myers is pretty chill too, more quiet than Tampa and good real estate.
+
+Naples is fine but you'll get bored quick if the beach/night life vibes aren't your thing.
+
+Miami pretty much all the hood rats from the north east coast, niggers, refugees, nouveau riche clowns flashing their wealth and buying up all the houses, tech bros with their ponzi scheme conventions, all infest the place. Decent night life and food scene but that's about it. Miami is not what it used to be unless you live in the gated communities or some expensive penthouse where you can have your own bubble of some sorts. If you want to move there and got the money, i'd consider another country entirely since you can buy a villa in the Mediterranean for those prices and you won't have to deal with the cesspool that Miami has become.
+
+Northern florida i wouldn't consider unless you like the white trash hillbillies or you work in the military and basically got no choice to live there.
+--- 2428787
+>>2418611 (OP)
+The entire state is trash
+--- 2428868
+>>2424914
+>We are extremely happy we did, as we feel safe now.
+
+Imagine the threat of ugly stickers on other peoples' cars. You could probably get covid if you looked long enough!
+--- 2428903
+>>2422100
+a big issue is people from Jersey & NYC dont know what reasonable rent looks like. For a non diverse area in Jersey that's safe, it costs $2000 per month minimum for a 1 br OUTSIDE the city, like Hoboken. In NYC, you're looking at $5000 per month for a decent living arrangement.
+--- 2428932
+>>2428772
+Truly hope you mean St Petersburg or Ybor City when you're referring to Tampa Bay because the actual Tampa is literally nigger central
+--- 2429263
+>>2425000
+I was in Palm Beach when we had all of those 5s in a 3 year span in the mid 2000s. Wilma, etc. Right before it happened it looked a lot like it does now. People were projecting that we were going to hit 30m population, that if you didn't buy now you were never going to be able to get a home, that it can only go up. The first hit was the hurricanes raising everyone's insurance premiums. As the hurricanes continued, insurance continued going up every year and people were continuously doing repairs and living with tarps on their roofs. People started to rage quit and go back to new england. The housing market cooled and then national collapse caused it to crash. 
+
+I can't wait to see what will happen to these 500-700/month HOAs wherein they've been administered by spoiled brats who just increase premiums without making any effort to cut costs or negotiate prices. No more repaving a road twice a year when it gets 1/500th the traffic of normal roads, or keeping a brat on the payroll to email about how I should bring in pest control because my neighbor has rats because they came up through a tree that they failed to keep trimmed away from the building.
+--- 2429335
+>>2429263
+>The presenters were excellent in updating the board on the current situation with the insurance market in Florida, and very informative
+He's getting a kickback, I guarantee it
+--- 2429379
+>>2428932
+
+Dunno man i ran into a lot less nigs in TB than in Miami in general but St Petersburg and Ybor were definitely on the list yeah.
+
+Blacks who move in usually come from the upper east coast and congregate around Miami which is why some neighborhoods there turned into compton 2.0.
+--- 2429533
+>>2426824
+Lots of gorgeous women for its size in Tampa/St Pete area; USF and University of Tampa help keep it stocked. USF is a nurse factory.
+Decent selection of Latin women too but with more non-Caribs moving in there are more Apocalyptas walking around
+If you are not retarded with women you can have a good time
+>here I am on 4chan instead
+--- 2429536
+I can't wait for 2004 2.0... One or three need to hit Miami, one in Tampa and one needs to Charley across the state and drown everyone in Orlando.
+I live in Tampa, I accept the risk, I'm ready
+--- 2429551
+>>2429536
+Fuck no I'm not. My insurance premiums are at an all time high and I've lived here for almost 20 years. You fucking niggers need to stop wanting more hurricanes to hit because it's obvious you own no property
+--- 2429555
+Florida is a failed state and Ron Desanctimonious is a total loser.
+--- 2429685
+>>2429555
+Great travel advice Jared
+--- 2429686
+>>2429555
+Your syphilitic game show host will never be president again
+--- 2431754
+What's Ocala like? Any other central anons here?
+--- 2432022
+>>2431754
+It's ok. Not as expensive as other areas since you are not on the coast and it isn't a major tourist attraction. Theres some nice rural places around the area also.
+--- 2432182
+>>2425000
+we got hit here in swfl and all those snowbirds are still here... red tide and hurricanes they just don't care
+--- 2432185
+>>2428772
+>Fort Myers is pretty chill too, more quiet than Tampa and good real estate.
+>Naples is fine but you'll get bored quick if the beach/night life vibes aren't your thing.
+it's all shit unless you live near the water and have a boat. Ft myers has alright parts but it's overall full of niggers. Naples is better but you have to have some money to get into a kino neighborhood. Like he says, very quiet place. nothing happens here.
+--- 2432804
+Bump for more info as a Pennsylvanian :D
+
+This state is goddamn boring and STILL COLD IN APRIL
+
+and it's not even that far North. Fuckin hell
+--- 2432809
+>>2418611 (OP)
+high insurance cost for homes
+hurricanes
+--- 2434152
+drove down to St Petersberg for Christmas during the snowstorm from Canada. it was fun having a snowball fight on the Florida-Georgia line in front of the beaners and Ukrainians. 
+
+honestly, the South as a whole, and Florida in particular felt soulless compared to the north us. maybe it's just that there isn't much difference between where I'm from and the North U.S. compared to the South. maybe its that Florida has had so many new transplants recently but it was really soulless.
+
+There were rest stops in Minnesota that were nicer than churches in Florida. downtown cedar rapids Iowa was more beautiful than every city in the south. Minneapolis had way more soul than Atlanta, Nashville or Jacksonville if you want to compare large city to large city. Even the truck stops in North Dakota were cleaner, safer, and better maintained than hotels on the barrier island in St Petersberg. I thought I was Florida was going to be beautiful but it was dirty and soulless. I'm sure there are nicer areas than what I went to but I didn't see any, I was hoping to see some stuff like in Scarface.
+--- 2434591
+>>2432185
+>and have a boat
+My goodness do American girls love guys with boats.
+--- 2434607
+>>2424914
+
+>we feel safe now
+
+Translation: now we're getting the attention we crave by acting like a bunch of faggots in public
+--- 2434610
+>>2434152
+
+Florida has an interesting history, but it seems like there's no shortage of shitty "modernist" condos and apartments being built all the time. It does not lend to a lasting sense of charm, unlike the North which has more rustic and older styles of architecture. I've been in FL for eight years and I miss having decent culture around
+--- 2434614
+>>2434152
+Florida was little more than a swamp during this country's early history. The Old South was long dead by the time it became in any way relevant in American life. Of course it's soulless.
+--- 2434936
+South Florida gets really hot. That's the main con for me, and the reason I left. DeSantis was great at shutting down all the covid bullshit. Not sure how successful he's been with handling the tranny situation. He needs to follow on his promise for constitutional carry.
+>>2424914
+>polluted beaches
+Most Florida beaches are kino. You sound retarded. Even Daytona Beach, where cars can legally drive on the beach, is cleaner than most Thai beaches. Only went to Pensacola Beach once and forget how it looked, but Pensacola isn't really Florida anyway.
+>>2418693
+Collier County native living abroad here. Growing up in Naples is a bit strange because of all the geezers. A lot of spics and haitians (probably the lowest IQ race you will find in the world), but it's pretty segregated if your family has money. My neighborhood was 99% white and right next to the beach (one of my favorite beaches in the world). Red tide really does fuck shit up though.
+--- 2435290
+>>2434936
+GGE here, since the pandemic swarms of Cubans from the east coast have been building houses on my street, they're not that loud or anything but they're always adding stupid pointless additions onto their property for no other reason than to show off. Funny how the ones who moved in across the street give me the bleakest stares, they just wish they had an HOA they could call to report me for being a white trash nigger lmao, been here 30+ years now and I'm not going anywhere (not that I can afford to at this point)
+--- 2435413
+>>2434936
+You must have met my cousin. Hot Latina turned UF sorority stacy. She lived in the nice part of town on account of her father drug money, lmao.
+--- 2436154
+>>2428421
+Tampa is a good mix of Florida Latinos, white trash, and elderly. The suburbs are like any others in the USA but you’re less than an hour from major sporting events, concerts, world famous beaches, and year round outdoor stuff.
+--- 2436235
+>>2434614
+
+Florida belonged to the Spanish, then the Brits, then the Spanish again, then Jackson told them and the Injuns to scram. Bloody shame that we sentenced the Indians to a fate worse than death: having to live in Oklahoma.
+--- 2438243
+Let’s say, hypothetically, I started at 10pm on the hunt for some snow in Orlando. About how long would it take me to find some that isn’t laced with fentanyl, and where would I need to look for it?
+--- 2438246
+>>2418615
+pros; Everything but kikes
+cons: Kikes
+--- 2438382
+I’m going to Tampa soon for a few days for some legal thing, anything of note to see or do around there?
+--- 2438405
+>>2438382
+Busch Gardens Tampa if you’re into roller coasters
+--- 2438436
+>>2438382
+>>2438405
+Yeah Busch Gardens is a good time. If you have the means/time, take a drive over to Clearwater beach in St Petersburg.
+--- 2438440
+>>2438436
+I meant in Clearwater. It's all the same shit, really. In St Petersburg you can also go to Fort DeSoto park which is really cool.
+--- 2438666
+>>2438382
+Catch the Lightning on Thursday, those are a good time. Downtown St Pete is awesome on Friday and Saturday nights, head and shoulders better than Tampa.
+--- 2438778
+Looking at a few days in Miami. Is it really just clubbing, beach and food/booze?
+--- 2438826
+In case any of you has $70 million lying around, the son of a Cuban refugee turned media mogul is selling his Coral Gables estate. Imagine all the UMiami cunny you could slay with a house like this. 
+
+https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-coral-gables-a-waterfront-home-set-on-2-acres-asks-69-9-million-c0b2393e
+--- 2438884
+>>2438826
+A veritable Xanadu of puss
+--- 2438885
+>>2438778
+Yep. Hope you're rich or preternaturally handsome
+--- 2438897
+>>2438778
+It's a city for latinos anon. What do you think?
+--- 2440482
+Lifelong resident of east Ft Lauderdale area who enjoys the normie salt life bullshit activities. Sometimes I fucking hate it here but then I'll take a week off and travel down to the keys with my boat or head north to camp at a state park to kayak the springs. This state is beautiful and truly does have a lot to offer. Minus all the bullshit it kinda rules.
+--- 2440670
+one of the biggest shitholes I have ever visited, I will never step foot here again or even fly near it , truly hell on earth filled with backward vile demons
+--- 2440680
+I've lived here for over a decade. Looking to get out. Just tired of the heat/humidity and tourists. 
+
+Pros is that there is a lot of shit to do. Cons is that you probably have to be here long term to do it all.
+--- 2441283
+Spent 3.5 yrs in Miami Beach, 1.5 in st Pete now 
+Pinellas is chill but crowded, lack of housing, think any major US urban area plus palm trees and beaches that you don’t visit often cause you’re working or stuck in traffic going from strip mall to strip mall. Thing I dislike the most is having to get on clogged up 45 mph 3 lane roads or mad max interstate death racetrack to get anywhere 
+Also summer is hot as balls and worse in Pinellas, Miami gets that Atlantic breeze and the waters a bit cooler
+Of the top 20 or 30 or whatever largest metro areas, tampa bay has to be one of the cleanest and politically based

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+-----
+--- 2420062
+Thoughts on Greece ?
+--- 2420063
+Their government is a trainwreck.
+--- 2420071
+a stab vest is probably the best thing to wear there.
+--- 2420073
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Great for cooming
+--- 2420074
+Had a great time, went to athens (kinda dirty, but interesting) and crete. The islands are lovely and I also did a moderate amount of cooming
+--- 2420106
+>>2420062 (OP)
+I have some thoughts now... not about Greece.
+--- 2420119
+>>2420074
+how 2 coom. what's the greece play
+--- 2420156
+>>2420062 (OP)
+sounds like a place where you can really live your myth
+--- 2420160
+>>2420062 (OP)
+I see you guys are jerking each other off again this weekend
+--- 2420161
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Imagine going to greece just to swim in a pool instead of the sea
+--- 2420165
+>>2420160
+>feels threatened by the female form
+What a fag
+--- 2420751
+>>2420073
+>>2420074
+qrd or a guide?
+--- 2421396
+>>2420165
+Haha, I was just about to say
+--- 2421482
+>>2420062 (OP)
+My BiL grew up on the ArmA 3 island, and he wants to organize a trip there in a year or two. What should I expect?
+--- 2421514
+>>2420119
+For me personally, I used my hand.
+Oh boy, I bet those bed sheets still remember me, h-hehe....
+--- 2422250
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Dream life
+--- 2423941
+>>2420161
+Kek
+--- 2423950
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Why is she walking like retard?
+--- 2424070
+>>2423950
+someone told her it's "sexy" and she's been broken like that ever since
+--- 2424077
+>>2420062 (OP)
+You know that bitch rehearsed this and nagged her boyfriend/manager/cameraman over every little element of this shot.
+--- 2424306
+Thats a very blue water
+--- 2424386
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Where's the vid from?
+--- 2425824
+Would love to know the name of the hotel.
+--- 2427593
+>>2425824
+found it
+
+https://youtu.be/9mjDSG_lJD0 [Embed]
+--- 2427598
+>>2420062 (OP)
+>look at me everybody- I’m a success! Yet I still have an atrocious genetics that my gait can’t hide!
+t. Podiatrist
+--- 2427923
+>>2420073
+Can you explain?
+
+>>2421482
+And now in English?
+
+>>2427598
+Hey podiatrist can you help me improve my gait?
+--- 2427943
+I hear Mykonos is popular tourist place
+--- 2427977
+I have a couple of days on my itinerary for August I am not sure what I want to do with. Should I go to Delphi? Or Nafplio? I've already been to meteora.
+
+I'm doing 3 nights - island shit. 3 nights Athens. 2 nights ??
+--- 2428007
+is "classical Greece" tourism a thing in Greece?
+--- 2428173
+>>2420062 (OP)
+>Thoughts on Greece ?
+Better than Turkey, and I remind the Turkish of this as often as I can.
+--- 2428182
+>>2420062 (OP)
+Overpriced and touristy as fuck. Turkey is way better in every conceivable way.
+--- 2428213
+>>2427923
+Sensible footwear and improve your posture via gentle exercise and stretching.
+Foot problems are usually tied to problems in other areas of the body.
+--- 2428244
+>>2427593
+Awesome bro. I was looking for some luxury pads for a vacation coming up, but the membership/monthly dues are light years beyond what I am willing to spend.
+--- 2428245
+>>2420062 (OP)
+I hate women so much
+--- 2428246
+>>2420161
+Med is cold as shit anon
+--- 2428250
+You WILL live your myth in Greece. Or else.
+--- 2428261
+>take a picture of me doing a THING so I can post it on instagram
+Kill ALL sluts
+--- 2428294
+>>2428250
+KARABOGA
+--- 2428325
+>>2420062 (OP)
+looks hot, sunny, and generally shitty
+I'd give it a pass if it weren't for cool Byzantine stuff
+--- 2428710
+>>2420062 (OP)
+>I AM SASQUATCH!
+>CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP
+>FLOWERS I LIKE FLOWERS! TOUCH THEM AS I CLOMP!
+>CLOWNS HAVE NOTHING ON MY FEET
+>I JUMP IN POOL
+>KASPLOOSH!
+>HELP MY FEET ARE SO HEAVY I SINKING
+--- 2429264
+Amazing place if you have some money
+Fucking miserable if you're stuck in mainland or Athens shithole villages.
+--- 2429810
+>>2420062 (OP)
+>rich culture, history, literature
+>beautiful scenery
+>economic dump with a bad govt.
+>literally noteworthy for absolutely nothing other than being rich sub-m age 30 white girl on vacation bikini land/Insta photo capital
+
+ya pretty based I guess oppa Socrates
+--- 2430318
+Best food in Europe, Spain can go fuck itself sideways.
+--- 2430428
+Interesting country, I bet it's better for living your myth than other countries in the region.
+--- 2430554
+>>2430318
+Anyone who thinks Spanish food is the best in Europe is a cuisinelet. I'd take going out to eat in the UK or Ireland over eating out in Spain any day that's how bad it is.
+--- 2430632
+>>2430554
+>>2430623
+He's right though, spanish food is garbage. Chorizo tastes like an ashtray and then they have that nasty sour cream shit on top of it. The only good tasting item they really have is that sandwich you get for breakfast where it's a grilled cheese with ham and that is diner-tier even in the US
+--- 2430666
+>>2430623
+>calling someone a nigger
+>is a Spaniard
+cope more medmutt
+--- 2430889
+>>2427598
+What's the genetic part?
+--- 2432518
+>>2420062 (OP)
+athens is lit
+--- 2433083
+Recommendations for a coastal city to fly out of (to Croatia) that's on the mainland? Accessible by ferry too, a final destination for island hopping. Athens is the obvious choice but I've heard it's expensive and generally shitty nowadays.
+--- 2433240
+I too would like recommendations, on islands where it’s not crowded and where I can rent an apartment with family and have comfy beautiful beach access with good restaurant at night
+--- 2433943
+>>2420062 (OP)
+>Thoughts on Greece ?
+It's got groove, it's got meaning.
+--- 2434077
+How's Greece countryside?
+--- 2434080
+>>2433083
+>Never been to Greece
+>Durr what's an airport
+You're going island hopping like a pleb and then want a hipster airport to fly out of? Yeah you're gonna sail into Piraeus and fly out of ATH..faggot
+--- 2434120
+>>2434080
+:(
+--- 2434217
+>>2434077
+like budget switzerland
+--- 2434249
+>>2420062 (OP)
+I spent 4 nights there for the marathon and got probably 5 prostitutes. I was 19 it was great
+--- 2434438
+>>2430428
+Can confirm. Am trying to “live my myth” in Albania and I just feel bad for everyone around me because life sucks here and it ain’t getting better anytime soon.
+--- 2435080
+Any anons here ever ran the Athens marathon? It’s one of my bucket list races and I really want to do it this year. 
+>t. Rooner
+--- 2436562
+>>2434249
+This kid ain't lookin that comfortable.
+--- 2437648
+>>2428182
+Turkish tourism is made on shitty resort ghetto tourism. You can't interact with most the Mahometan Turkish population in a civilized way, they are Islamic bigots. Even the fake secular Turks can't stand most their countrymen and call them the derogative term, yobaz. 
+
+The above comment is almost 100% written by a Turkroach.
+--- 2437651
+>>2433083
+Literally every Greek city is a coastal city: Athens, Thessaloniki, Patras, Heraklion, etc. Have you ever looked at Greece on a map?
+--- 2437679
+>>2437651
+Was more curious if there were any that were convenient to fly out of internationally besides Athens
+--- 2437686
+>>2437679
+If you are the same OP that wrote this:
+>>2433083
+
+Good luck finding much flights to less populated Greek cities to anywhere in Croatia... You likely will need to stop-over in Athens, in which case it is better to maybe not visit Athens till the end of your trip if possible, then fly out of Athens.
+--- 2437711
+>>2434249
+>paid prostitutes at just age 19
+some fellas are just a sad piece of existence. paying desperate, dirty women for sex
+--- 2437893
+>>2437711
+What’s the alternative?
+--- 2437907
+>>2437711
+What a stupid mindset, your post reeks of some puritan shithole that has made prostitution illegal.
+It's just sex.
+--- 2438355
+>>2437686
+Yeah, I've resigned to Athens at this point, but I'm still pretty excited to see the city for a couple days
+--- 2438519
+>>2437711
+Whys that sad? I could spend the weekend sightseeing and getting ready for the marathon without investing time on some girl I'd know for all of 4 nights. Or waste time trying to pick up a girl. Was a very comfy time 
+>>2437893
+>>2437907
+Feel like it's bait
+--- 2438881
+>>2437907
+>It's just sex.
+would you mind if you parents paid prostitutes for sex? or ur friend? if u arent fine with someone u know doing it, think again
+
+>>2437893
+unironically fapping. better than paying someone. but still degen. being a monk who is not tempted by women is the redpill
+
+>>2438519
+its sad cus u are plowing a girl who has been plowed by hundreds of men. its hedonistic
+--- 2438916
+>>2427598
+Is podiatry good to pursue if you are a footfag?
+--- 2438921
+>>2434249
+Can someone give a damn guide on Greek cooming already?
+--- 2438924
+>>2438881
+My dad took me to an Asian massage parlor for my 19th bday and my boys always send me new bedpage links. Cope harder, bet you are a puafag or tradcel
+--- 2438958
+>>2438921
+Second this
+--- 2439237
+>>2438881
+>its sad cus u are plowing a girl who has been plowed by hundreds of men
+Most girls have been ploughed by over 10 men incel anon. Sounds like you have a problem with women not that anon
+--- 2439245
+>>2439237
+only sluts
+--- 2439246
+>>2438924
+ur dad must hve been a cuck
+
+family and friends of degens, the absolute state of white trash
+--- 2439251
+>>2438881
+>its hedonistic
+Smolbrain must inforce is inadequacies on others. Sad
+--- 2439759
+>>2420062 (OP)
+If you went with male friends, where would be the best choice in terms of views, price and mayube cooming? Comming is optional though.
+--- 2439761
+>>2420062 (OP)
+
+I don't know what's worse...
+
+The lazy fat ass physique on the girl?
+Paying to stay in a "place like that" to get laid in general let alone with Flabby McSquat Rack Obstacle?
+Using pornographic propaganda to sell a destination?
+Thinking that's a nice beach?
+Having to deal with that fat bitch's attitude AND staying in a "place like that" just to fuck... It?
+Falling for the pussy Jew as it relates to travelling?
+
+Should've posted a picture of a 2 Euro Gyro stand assuming they didn't get btfo by CV19.
+
+Cheap ass gyro joints still alive and well?
+--- 2439791
+>>2438881
+Look man, I got money. Now, I could (and have) snag myself a 6-7 and go through the dating rigamarole to have some half assed sex with that woman for “free” OR I could pony up the dough and have a 9-10 come over and rock my cock to its core with some porno of your dreams type shit. I don’t see the issue with using my wallet to punch above my weight for a good time.
+--- 2439864
+>>2438921
+Here you go https://www.bourdela.com/
+Ratings, guides etc, use google translate.
+--- 2439913
+>>2437648
+Exactly
+
+>>2438355
+What's your plan and for what period exactly? June-Aug in Athens can get super hot. If there's a heatwave especially, you're fucked.
+
+>>2439761
+meds
+
+>>2439791
+It's written "rigmarole" I think
+--- 2440218
+>>2430632
+This has to be bait.

trv/2420707.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,367 @@
+-----
+--- 2420707
+Show us you favorite photos taken on your travels. If it is ot really fucking obvious, tell us where it was taken. Would also love impressions or advice on visiting here ever it is.
+
+On the Mekong in Vietnam. Not normally a cruise fan, but small ships cruising down a river is very nice.
+--- 2420710
+Kite vendor outside city walls in Cartagena, CO. Been there a few times, it was always hot as balls. The old city is beautiful, the newer areas did not impress me. Some pretty beaches in the area once you get away from the city a bit.
+--- 2420713
+Floating fruit stand, Curacao. Had a good time there. But the smell of the oil refinery can get to be a bit much.
+--- 2420715
+Yellowstone in the winter. Which s when I'd recommend going.
+--- 2421139
+Somewhere in Tokyo.
+--- 2421805
+How do I downscale my images, my S22 Ultra apparently saves pics at 20+ MB
+--- 2421913
+>>2421211
+Beautiful. Where at?
+--- 2421916
+>>2421807
+Good pic!
+
+>>2421811
+That was fun, wasn't it?
+--- 2421919
+Traditional dancer, Cambodia.
+--- 2421920
+>>2421803
+>>2421799
+Great portrait photography.
+--- 2421931
+>>2421913
+That's Paris, sainte chapelle.
+--- 2422001
+"Groping women on the train is frowned upon" -Tokyo Metro
+--- 2422055
+Fireflies outside Taipei
+--- 2422057
+>posts images with no descriptioks or locations
+
+Sheer brilliance
+--- 2422066
+>>2422057
+My bad 
+
+>>2421211 as someone said, Sainte Chappell - Paris France 
+>>2421213 Helsinki Bay
+>>2421757 pretty sure Cologne, Cathedral 
+>>2421799 Annapurna, Nepal
+>>2421800 Kathmandu, Nepal
+>>2421803 Canterbury, England 
+>>2421804 British Museum - London, England
+>>2421806 Somewhere in Taiwan, I don’t remember 
+>>2421807 Taipei, Taiwan 
+>>2421808 Taipei, Taiwan 
+>>2421811 Tokyo, Japan 
+>>2421814 Salt Lake City - Utah, USA
+>>2422052 Chiang Mai, Thailand 
+>>2422053 Taipei, Taiwan 
+>>2422056 Ghent, Belgium
+--- 2422192
+nowadays, do you need a special camera to take great high quality travel pictures, or can you get by with most modern phones?
+--- 2422272
+>>2422192
+If those pictures were taken with a phone then they went through a good editing software.
+Phone pictures can look good but always lack quality
+--- 2422277
+Fisterra, Galicia, Spain
+--- 2422282
+>>2422272
+Some more Indonesia pictures
+--- 2422284
+>>2422282
+--- 2422286
+>>2422284
+--- 2422292
+>>2422286
+--- 2422293
+>>2422292
+--- 2422295
+>>2422293
+--- 2422323
+>>2421805
+You can use Irfanview. Or if that's too hard, you can always just take screenshots of your pictures.
+
+>>2422001
+>frowned upon
+As opposed to illegal?
+--- 2422349
+>>2420707 (OP)
+>Travel porn
+What's it, amateur porn made by sex tourists?
+--- 2422520
+I spotted this gato in Bangkok. One of my favorite things is the super chill stray cats that are everywhere.
+--- 2422572
+Barnacle geese migration in southern Sweden not too far from Lund.
+--- 2422576
+Pleasant dehesa landscape in Extremadura, Spain.
+--- 2422624
+Izabal, Guatemala
+--- 2423393
+>>2422576
+Peak comfy
+
+>>2422286
+Nice photo
+
+>>2422055
+Fuck yeah I'm going camping there next month, didn't realize they had fireflies there
+--- 2423416
+>>2423393
+They don’t have that many, and you’ll have to go at the correct season. 
+
+I don’t remember when it is, but it’s easily researched
+--- 2423417
+Reykjavík bay
+--- 2423422
+Vatican museum - Rome, Italy
+--- 2423424
+Florence, Italy
+--- 2423442
+Arches Nat’l Park, - Utah, USA
+--- 2423456
+Teatro dell'Opera di Roma - Rome, Italy
+--- 2423470
+>>2423468 Paris, France 
+>>2423469 Hyde Park, London
+--- 2423471
+Hyde park, London
+--- 2423472
+>>2423471
+Did you go to a carnival or what?
+--- 2423477
+Guinness Brewery- Dublin, Ireland
+--- 2423479
+>>2423472
+Winter wonderland Christmas market / slag fest
+--- 2423485
+Thousands of waders, Southern Jutland, Denmark.
+--- 2423487
+Shanghai, China.
+--- 2423491
+St Davids, Wales, UK.
+--- 2423492
+Snowdonia National Park, Wales, UK.
+--- 2423499
+Hike near Eyjafjallajokull, Iceland.
+--- 2423501
+Barbaresco vineyards, Piemonte, Italy.
+--- 2423557
+>>2422192
+Depends on how much zoom you wanna use.
+--- 2423559
+South of Portugal
+--- 2423622
+Some pictures of France
+--- 2423623
+>>2423622
+--- 2423625
+>>2423623
+--- 2423626
+>>2423625
+--- 2423628
+>>2423626
+--- 2423630
+>>2423628
+--- 2423631
+>>2423630
+--- 2423632
+>>2423631
+--- 2423633
+>>2423632
+--- 2423635
+>>2423633
+--- 2423637
+>>2423635
+Thats it
+--- 2423667
+>>2423632
+where in france was this? Stunning photo
+--- 2423672
+You fucking niggers really need to start posting the location of where your pic was taken. This isn't GeoGuesser
+--- 2423686
+>>2423622
+>>2423623
+>>2423625
+>>2423626
+>>2423628
+Paris
+>>2423630
+>>2423631
+La Rochelle
+>>2423632
+>>2423633
+Somewhere in southern burgundy I cant recall, lots of cute villages there
+>>2423635
+>>2423637
+Saint Raphaelle
+--- 2426101
+Bumping this
+--- 2426652
+>>2422282
+>>2422284
+>>2422292
+>>2422295
+--- 2426653
+>>2422520
+I present to you, the Sedentary Cat of Malaysia. Spotted in a ferry terminal, battered and scarred from a thousand epic battles with life, too fucking alpha to move for anybody, carefully stepped around by all...
+--- 2426654
+>>2423393
+Nice pic.
+--- 2426656
+Sign spotted in NZ, somewhere near Ashburton.
+--- 2426659
+Sea lion near Kaikoura, NZ.
+--- 2426661
+Lunch being prepared at a school in Haiti
+--- 2427056
+Kotik of Rodos, 4am
+--- 2427058
+Kotik of Rodos, 8am
+--- 2427102
+>>2427056
+>>2427058
+Cute kot!
+--- 2427204
+Lhuentse Festival, Bhutan
+--- 2427213
+Easter festival in Sevilla
+--- 2427250
+>>2427213
+Dalyan, Turkey
+--- 2427530
+>>2423424
+this pic is dope, what kind of camera was used??
+makes me want to get a dedicated camera. think a point and shoot can achieve this quality?
+--- 2427571
+El Nido, Philippines
+--- 2428526
+French alps, Val Cenis to be precise. The mountains all the way in the back are actually Italy. Took it this earlier week
+
+>>2422056
+Oh hey I live here. Neat.
+--- 2428528
+>>2428526
+And another pic of the town
+--- 2428871
+>>2427571
+>>2428526
+>>2427213
+>>2427058
+Nice pics
+--- 2428878
+>>2427571
+I'm just back from Coron, Philippines
+--- 2429760
+Hongu, Japan
+--- 2431442
+bump
+--- 2431523
+>>2423471
+
+What's the deal with those thick-ass eyebrows? Is that a UK fashion?
+--- 2431528
+Dambulla, Sri Lanka
+--- 2431533
+The Snark. Cape Canaveral, FL
+--- 2431541
+Taipei, Taiwan
+--- 2432563
+>>2420707 (OP)
+kino
+--- 2433616
+>>2431528
+--- 2433617
+>>2428878
+Drone pic? Beautiful spot.
+--- 2433627
+I will always regret not going to see Ben Hur Live while in Rome...
+--- 2433663
+Nikko
+--- 2433889
+>>2431523
+Yeah, slags are easily identified by their uniform
+
+>tits out
+>orange faces
+>eyebrows as thick as your leg (it used to be eyebrows as thin as your dick but I think Cara Delevigne is responsible for the shift)
+>big long nails
+>voice like nails on a chalkboard
+--- 2433938
+>>2433663
+nice
+--- 2433939
+>>2433663
+Bangkok.
+--- 2434096
+Wakhan corridor
+
+>>2422066
+Nice shots anon
+>>2423499
+Absolute stunner of a shot
+>>2426661
+Not the best from a technical point, but I still dig this
+--- 2434101
+Lalibela
+--- 2434102
+Bale mountains
+--- 2434106
+Taken in 2018 in Omo valley, I later encountered this girl's picture - taken years before I photographed her - on the cover of a Polish travel magazine while loitering somewhere in Georgia.
+--- 2434111
+If you wonder what's going on there, look up bull jumping in the Omo valley
+--- 2434416
+>>2434102
+>I've seen some shit...
+--- 2434418
+>>2434112
+Really like that one.
+--- 2434421
+Beach cat, Curacao.
+--- 2434429
+Near Hopkins, Belize
+--- 2434570
+>>2428878
+Would you recommend? What to see and what not to? We're flying in from Manila for 3 nights
+--- 2434593
+>>2428878
+I just got back from there also, looks like Twin Lagoons?
+
+I only had my go pro with me and it didn't photograph well at all, esp cause I was there in the afternoon. Awesome pic.
+
+Here's one I took in Bohol.
+--- 2435180
+>>2434100
+>>2434112
+These are really cool
+--- 2435480
+Shikoku, Japan
+--- 2435482
+Barcelona
+--- 2435484
+Shikoku, Japan
+--- 2436145
+>>2420707 (OP)
+--- 2436489
+>Live where you go on honeymoon
+--- 2436602
+I guess I really liked the lunch menu here.
+--- 2437188
+>>2435180
+Have another one.
+--- 2438984
+Hooker Valley, NZ
+--- 2438990
+>>2435480
+Great photo
+--- 2439231
+I went on a 3 month euro/middle-east trip. I'll probably make a thread at some point.
+Here's a photo of the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem on Orthodox Christmas on Jan 6th.
+--- 2439243
+Jerusalem in March. Managed to go through Palestine before shit really hit the fan.
+--- 2439678
+>>2435482
+Wow.
+--- 2439680
+Beach at Uchinada, Japan

trv/2420895.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,788 @@
+-----
+--- 2420895
+>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
+>"Hidden gems" of the culinary world basically do not exist. It's 2023, we know what's good and what isn't.
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+--- 2420897
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it
+Not enough preservatives, not enough added sugar, not processed enough, not stored in plastic, not made by a large corporation, too organic, too exotic, too healthy.
+--- 2420907
+A thread died for this...
+--- 2420908
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
+Protip: they are all just poor people food that later got the status of "local delicacy" because normal people eat the same things in every country. So for it to be special it has to be a local species of small rodent, insect, water insect or extremely disgusting slimy creature, that sort of thing. Or various types of byproducts of normal animals like cow hooves.
+--- 2420920
+>>2420897
+Unironically this. You have to go to niche stores if you have anything approaching subtlety in your palate. Why? Food that isn't super cheap and chock-full of sugar just isn't competitive in the American market. The food industry and supermarkets are also both run by oligopolies, it's very hard for anything that isn't trash made by the same few companies to get its foot in the door on shelves.
+--- 2420922
+>>2420920
+"Subtle flavor" meaning you threw a couple sprigs of parsley on your potatoes, Hans?
+--- 2420941
+>>2420922
+He's right though. Best example is American bread, why the fuck is it so sweet, even the "good" stuff? Like it's not about the subtitles of muh spices bringing out the intricacies of a dish or whatever, it's that everything is brought to the extremes 9 times out of 10. American food overall would be better if it knew how to just take things down a notch. Unhealthy, sugary, fatty foods? Who cares, go for it, but if you think butter on a stick is something that should be praised idk what to say. This all being said
+>>2420895 (OP)
+fuck you op this thread is lame
+--- 2420980
+Economist here, can confirm:
+
+As a world traveller (to conferences, academic junkets, fieldwork, etc.) people are in fact generally the same. The same "kinds" of people appear in every culture, and are just slight variations of the same type of person you're familiar with. i.e. Variation within-group is usually greater than between groups, what's more the stratification within groups is similar around the world.
+
+As far as food is concerned, the best kind of food everywhere in the world is fine dining, of any cuisine. Fine dining of any kind of food is strictly better than poorly prepared versions of any other kind of food.
+
+Moral of the story is, wealthy people all around the world experience the best of wherever they are. /trv/ poorfag incels BTFO, how will they ever recover?
+
+>>2420907
+And nothing of value was lost
+
+>>2420922
+back to your 3rd world shithole, streetshitter
+--- 2420989
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Americans know nothing about food. Let alone good food.
+--- 2420995
+>>2420980
+Fine dining is indeed the peak of any kind of cuisine but nobody exclusively consumes fine dining so it is still worth to compare common cuisine between cultures.
+--- 2420997
+>>2420895 (OP)
+food in america = goyslop
+food in the rest of the world = culture
+--- 2420998
+>>2420980
+The worst food for you in the EU is still healthier than any food available in the US.
+--- 2421011
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+This is one of the dumbest statements I've read in a long time.
+--- 2421044
+>>2420895 (OP)
+I know of some hidden gems, but I am not telling, goodluck figuring that out /trv/lers
+--- 2421073
+Everyone in here is retarded. Easy example off the top of my head is Georgian Food. It's a true hidden gem and it straight up does not exist in America. It's all over Eastern Europe (because it's amazing) but you basically can't get it outside of Ex-Soviet countries. I get cravings for pic related on the regular and there's nothing I can do about it except wait for my next trip to Eastern Europe. It's made with like 5 different cheeses; none of which you can find in even the most specialized cheese shops in America.
+--- 2421079
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Idk about the USA but there's definitely a lot of food I can't get in Canada and can only find overseas.
+--- 2421115
+>>2420941
+is that the best example? because you're risking a hefty BTFO'ing
+--- 2421117
+>>2421073
+Georgian is great if you like getting fat. Bread and cheese are fine for a snack but you can't build an entire cuisine around it. 
+
+I liked Georgia but the food was pretty bland. Lobiani might be the worst thing I ever tried to eat. Bland bread filled with dry red beans. No spices or sauce or anything. 
+
+Khinkali were fine but not something I could eat every day. 
+
+What other than khatchapuri did you like?
+--- 2421127
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Local dishes are usually quite nice if the ingredients are fresher than they would be if they were shipped halfway around the world. Also spice (mixes) tend to be better where the local cuisine often uses it than some pre-packages 90% salt big corpo spice mix. 
+Also, and i know this is a big meme, but the atmosphere plays a big role. Ragú that some local grandmom made in a small obscure town in the Italian mountains will just taste better than any home-made equivalent. The taste of bluefin tuna at 6 in the morning at the Tokyo fish market is just different than the same fish in your local 2 star Michelin restaurant.
+--- 2421134
+>>2421127
+tl;dr just be rich and everything will be better :)
+--- 2421152
+>>2420980
+WEF goyslop peddler. Fine dining has nothing to do with it. You are just paying a huge premium for the restaurant to source good ingredients, which I agree is well worth it in shithole countries like India where eating local foods will leave you with an e coli infection. 
+
+The best food goods in the world are found in large, rich countries like US and China because they have the most wealthy consumers that will pay for the best food imports from all around the world. Borneo might have the best durian, Sicily the best olives, Bordeaux the best wine, Hokkaido the best milk, etc but in wealthy places like US and China, you have a store that will sell Malaysian Durian, Italian Olives, French Wine, Hokkaido milk, swiss chocolates all in one place, with people that will buy them. JFL China accounts for 45% of the worlds seafood consumption. Chang is unironically foodmogging the rest of the world. 
+
+Agriculture and culture matters too. The average amerimutt eat like shit but not because good food isn't available for them. America has a hunting culture and you can literally go shoot your own game animals and eat it instead of doordashing. Most old world countries you are not even allowed to hunt game animals unless you are some aristocrat.
+--- 2421154
+>>2421152
+But some countries are exceptions. For a poor country, Vietnamese cuisine and their food products are excellent. If you have been to Thailand, you will can see that places in Thailand will use cheaper tuber starch noodles, which are inferior in taste to rice noodles that the Viets eat. 
+
+For a rich country, English food is mediocre and expensive, with a poor selection.
+--- 2421175
+"Tourist traps" are usually the best a place has to offer.
+--- 2421203
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+this is such cope, even americanized food is better elsewhere. Fast food like mcdonalds/kfc is way better in europe and asia than it is in the US. Freshness of ingredients matters a lot too.
+--- 2421220
+>>2420980
+First part of your post is right, people are the same. 
+
+Second part no absolutely not. The best food is street food and local food made by grandmothers, and it's cheap.
+--- 2421230
+>>2420895 (OP)
+only a pleb who hasn't seriously travelled can make this thread without irony. goes to show that dunning kruger is applicable in every field.
+--- 2421469
+>>2421073
+This is a piece of bread with some cheese and an egg on top of it. We're supposed to be impressed?
+--- 2421484
+Here are a couple things I learned about food while traveling
+
+The worst bakery in France is better than the best bakery in the US. 
+
+You cannot get a good pizza anywhere in the United States west of Buffalo New York. 
+
+Fondue in Switzerland is fucking terrible
+--- 2421552
+>>2421484
+>You cannot get a good pizza anywhere in the United States west of Buffalo New York
+Go fuck yourself, jew yorker. The only acceptable pizza is chicago deep dish pizza
+--- 2421558
+>>2421203
+
+McDonald's in Japan is staggeringly fast
+--- 2421561
+>>2420941
+Exactly! Try finding real bread from a real bakery near you
+--- 2421563
+>>2421484
+There ARE no bakeries in the US!!! Only huge grocery store chains
+--- 2421591
+>>2421203
+>Fast food like mcdonalds/kfc is way better in europe and asia than it is in the US.
+This is true. European McDonald's blows American McDonald's out of the water. They know they actually have to compete in terms of freshness in that particular market. Can't just be feeding the goys the cheapest possible shit in that particular market.
+--- 2421652
+>>2420895 (OP)
+It's like when people suggest "real" Indian food rather than the curries served in restaurants.
+
+It's bland cheap shit padded out with lentils because you don't want things expensive and difficult to make for your daily meals.
+--- 2421786
+>>2421591
+Do the UK and Ireland count? I tried their McDonalds and both were awful. It was equivalent to ordering from an American McDonalds staffed entirely by blacks.
+The only things I liked that were different there were the bacon roll things.
+--- 2422579
+>poor dysfunctional countries are not that way because of muh colonialism or muh imperialism or muh despotism but because the people that live there are stupid and immoral
+a bitter pill to swallow but the more places i go the more i see it is true. it's why chinese and jews and anglos are successful everywhere, and why countries that copy them are okay to live in and everywhere else is a complete shitshow.
+
+i am looking at you india.
+--- 2422634
+>>2421073
+washington DC is awash with ersatz caucasus diners capitalising on muh Real Travellers palate-signalling to their beltway friends
+--- 2422860
+>>2421469
+>All bread and cheese is the SAME
+Mutt confirmed
+--- 2422865
+>>2422634
+Are they any good though?
+--- 2422882
+>>2420897
+If it was really good, americans would just make their version of it 
+OPs basic assertion is probably a good one
+--- 2422974
+>>2421175
+>"Tourist traps" are usually the best a place has to offer.
+lmao this. every time I see someone on here say "avoid the touristy places" I laugh. unless you have some kind of "in" with a local you are just wasting time
+--- 2423003
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+Ahahahhahaha I know this thread is bait but I can't help biting. The fact that someone actually typed this is beyond me.
+--- 2423120
+>>2422865
+yeah they probably are, there would be enough FSO folk around to air their bullshit food critic opinions to make the chefs want to be on the ball
+--- 2423241
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+Most of the foods you can buy in France, Spain and Italy won't be stacked in US shelves or will be in a very specialised store, so this is pretty retarded. Those countries have the best cuisine, so I don't rate your assertion.
+--- 2423245
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>leaving mothers basement. 
+>mommy is no longer with me
+aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
+--- 2423247
+>>2421469
+Reductionist contrarians are brain dead
+--- 2423252
+>>2420980
+Fine dining is heavily influenced by French haute cuisine in many ways (the kitchen organisation alone is a French influence that was birthed in the late 18th century) so no, not the most authentic. 
+
+A good authentic restaurant can be potentially found anywhere, but in my experience, kinda remote rural places with enough local tourism for them to make a bit more effort usually provides the best of both worlds, namely authenticity expected from the place and quality expected from people coming from a different place.
+--- 2423258
+American cuisine is basically just savory dessert served at all times. Pretty based and tastypilled. What countries have an emerging fatty population that I could I open a goyslop restaurant in and be successful in?
+--- 2423259
+Don't ever start a conversation with Thai whores, they will only tell you their sob story about their fucking family whose farm is about to be foreclosed by the bank.
+--- 2423298
+>>2423259
+All thirdie whores are like that
+--- 2423305
+>>2421484
+>The worst bakery in France is better than the best bakery in the US.
+
+Your mind on stereotypes: the post. You would be much closer to truth if you said "average" but for some reason people are always more drawn to extremes, when truth is much closer to averages....
+--- 2423308
+>>2421786
+I was always getting irritated when people were saying "Europe and the UK', but as far as food is concerned, it's a good distinction to make. Brits have great pies and some lovely dishes here and there but overall their food and cousine is not as good as anywhere on the continent and due to being an island they rely on imports a lot which always leads to lesser quality
+--- 2423311
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Blackpill number one: HOME is better, fuck traveling.
+--- 2423714
+>>2423311
+
+ok small brain.
+--- 2423801
+>>2423308
+The UK has good food but terrible chains. Most people end up eating at a tourist trap or Chain pub and assume that's representative.
+--- 2423828
+>>2423259
+buffalo sick
+--- 2423880
+>>2420895 (OP)
+
+>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+
+
+Every time I read something as fucking retarded as the previous statement. I imagine OP and half of you look like this.
+--- 2423881
+>>2423880
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_cfzVCHPjU [Embed]
+--- 2424010
+>>2423801
+>Chain pub
+Yeah this, there's some corporation going around snapping up pubs all over Britain, chances are you've had some of their goyslop thinking you were eating at a mom and pop sort of place (which it was at one point, but I'd be surprised if they didn't change suppliers etc)
+--- 2424045
+>>2421563
+? I live 5 minutes from a bakery/patisserie. Small town USA btw.
+--- 2424046
+>>2420895 (OP)
+I disagree at least partially
+I've traveled around the world extensively and I can say etc certainty that Georgian food is very good, to a point that most food in the world was not impressive to me especially since I'm from the west and we have a lot of interesting dishes in west Georgia that isn't even available in the center Georgia
+Now you can argue that this doesn't count because Georgian food is very popular in Russia and local countries, but I think it still counts because most of the world doesn't know about it
+--- 2424056
+>>2421117
+There are a lot of complicated dishes that for some reason westerners never try, in fact I would say that khachapuri and khinkali were not the most famous dishes in past they became the most popular in USSR because Russians loved it the most.
+Here are some Georgian dishes to try
+>Ghomi made from actual Ghomi with stewed beef in baje paired
+>Chakapuli
+>Kuchmachi
+>Shkmeruli
+>Elarji
+>Kharcho
+>Gebjalia
+>Khashi 
+>Sinori
+Another important thing is that even usual dishes like kebabs and grilled meat can be good because blend of spices are different, plus we also have good borrowed food from neighbors like dolma, adjapsandal, kebabs etc.
+Even if you specifically like cheese breads be good to try stuff like achma instead of genetic khachapuri
+I'm not saying that it's amazing best cuisine in the world, but it is good and varied, but for some reason people never eat other dishes
+--- 2424129
+>>2421073
+ignore /trv/ for once and take the big city pill. there are several authentic Georgian restaurants in London and NYC for example.
+t.Londoner who just got back from NYC
+--- 2424156
+>>2421786
+McDonald's in Italy, France and Germany is better than McDonald's in Ireland or UK. Italian McDonald's sells good coffee and other things on top of it. McDonald's means completely different things from country to country. I've never really used it in Eastern Europe where it costs the same if not more than in Western Europe despite local food, which is better anwyays, costing much less.
+--- 2424159
+>>2424156
+>I've never really used it in Eastern Europe where it costs the same if not more than in Western Europe despite local food, which is better anwyays, costing much less.
+It's considered a treat to go to McDonalds in a lot of countries because you're doing something "cool and American" so it costs more than local food, despite not actually being good. This is the case in latin america too.
+--- 2424164
+>>2424159
+>It's considered a treat to go to McDonalds in a lot of countries because you're doing something "cool and American"
+Yeah this, when starving Eastern Euros had McDonald's open in their cities for the first time, they treated it like the second coming of Christ. 
+
+If you watch the documentary TraumaZone about the collapse of the USSR, it's actually kind of sad how into it they were. The first one in Moscow was packed with a line around the block, smiling kids everywhere. 
+
+It's kind of shocking to think that McDonald's of all places is seen as one of the amenities of a modern, cosmopolitan city in some places.
+--- 2424188
+The notion that people to to places and are welcomed by locals and get to "experience the culture" is a complete farce. 
+
+Go to Italy. Get treated like a tourist schmuck get asked to buy shit shut the fuck up and get out.
+
+No one wants to converse with you. 99 percent of the time you won't experience any "local flavor or culture". You're a nuisance and ppl hate u. And probably will make fun of you in their language. 
+
+It's why I don't go to non English speaking places. Ya not interested in getting made fun of and insulted by people in a foreign language lol. Fuck Italy, France all those types of places lol.
+--- 2424190
+>>2424188
+It's just France and Italy that are like this.
+--- 2424192
+>>2424190
+I've never been but I assume Croatia Spain Germany mexico etc are the same man come on.
+--- 2424196
+>>2424192
+Never been to France or Italy either would subject myself to weird hostility. Nothing worse than being treated shitty and at the same.time ur cucking just by being there
+
+Being in someones country is like saying: I think your country is so great that I even spent a bunch of money to visit! 
+
+It's disrespectful to oneself to place that much honor on another person's home. Especially when you are treated like total crap.
+--- 2424873
+>>2424192
+>I've never been but I assume
+--- 2424879
+The biggest travel blackpill for me is that adventure is fucking dead.
+Every bit of the map has been filled in, an airplane can take you anywhere within a day, it's like fucking cheating.
+Worst of all, everyone has phones so there's no such thing as truly being on your own. No sailors or brave explorers who say goodbye to their loved ones, not knowing if their postcards will ever arrive.
+Nah, you can just text your wife or parents whenever you feel like it, and they'll text you every day. You really have to force things if you still want an adventure, and that means it feels artificial and pointless.
+--- 2424917
+>>2424188
+I still get to talk with locals but in mostly non touristy places, like way deep into some rural place in Spain with 0 tourist. My basic spanish was good enough to understand some jokes. 
+Even in Italy I had a good moment in some mountain villages. 
+Although it’s much easier when you’re alone and not a complete sperg. 
+
+You gotta flee most touristy places if you want to avoid these.
+--- 2424921
+>>2424879
+I do relate, it has become very hard to disconnect from home while on the road.
+I wonder if people born after 2000 can even imagine not being in touch with their family for weeks at a time, checking their e-mails once or twice a week and sending the occasional postcard to grandparents and other interested friends and relatives.
+--- 2424927
+>>2424188
+>>2424190
+>>2424192
+>>2424196
+Who hurt you faggots lol
+--- 2425297
+OP here - wow, this thread is still going? Since you guys seem to think I'm full of shit, I'll post some food reviews from my travels to show you that yes, I've been around and tried a thing or two.
+
+To start things off, here's a Ukranian borscht that I ate at a restaurant in Vancouver, BC. Very highly rated restaurant, the staff were visibly eastern european, looks colorful and authentic. The soup was the blandest fucking thing I have ever eaten. I am genuinely impressed that they managed to take the concept of a rich stew full of meat and vegetables and make it taste like absolutely nothing. It's like getting filled up and putting on calories without any of the satisfaction of actually eating food. The whole time I found myself wishing I had just bought a nice, salty, smoky, juicy hamburger, you know, something with actual flavor.
+
+The peppers were alright, but they were stuffed with waaaay too much feta and I couldn't finish them.
+--- 2425301
+Moving on, here's a proppa English pie that I ate at a historic pub in York, UK. Supposedly it had all kinds of interesting game meats in it, such as venison and cornish hen. I couldn't taste the difference -- the whole mess inside the pie simply tasted vaguely "brown", without any distinct notes of savoryness, or spice, or herbs. The gravy was thin and watery and did not add much flavor-wise. It was served with uninspired mashed potatoes and a pile of sad, completely unseasoned, flavorless steamed vegetables.
+--- 2425307
+This is a tafelspitz that I ate in Vienna. Ate it at a local, homey cafe far from the touristy circle, but the interior was still incredibly nice and the service was exceptional. 
+
+I am not sure why so many countries think wet, unseasoned meat is an acceptable "dish", but here we are. The texture was fine and the tartar-like sauce was tasty, but once again, the main dish itself tasted like pretty much nothing. At this point I could go down to walmart, grab a brisket, and put some tartar sauce on it.
+
+>>2425301
+Also I forgot to mention, but why does every fucking food item in the UK have to be covered in puff pastry? Puff pastry is not that good. It tastes dry and adds a huge amount of unnecessary calories.
+--- 2425311
+Lastly, to match the OP image, here's a baeckoffe that I ate in Alsace. Wet, flavorless meat in a flavorless broth with unseasoned potatoes cut in such a way that they neither become crispy nor absorb any of the nonexistent flavor. Served with dijon mustard for some reason (I don't know how you're supposed to fit this into a stew, but I tried it anyway, and it was mediocre). I expected that it would be something like a shepherd's pie, with some rich, buttery potatoes on top that get nice and browned by the oven and a savory broth underneath. Nope. At least the wine was pretty good.
+--- 2425388
+>>2424164
+Can confirm as a kid growing up in post-soviet eastern europe. We had one show up in my little city right around the time I was born, so it was a huge deal to go there. Kids always wanted their parties there and going to it was the biggest treat you could get as a kid. Naturally it was pristine inside with immaculate service, and you would dress nice to go there, like you would for dinner at any other restaurant. It was actually really innocent and comfy looking back on it.
+Coming to America and seeing how much shittier it was really shocked me. Of course now even back there it's become just as shitty and mundane.
+--- 2425406
+>>2421484
+My tummy can't handle gluten so I only give it cauliflower crust pizzas from Walmart that are $5 haha
+--- 2425410
+>>2424056
+>shkmeruli
+>kharcho
+
+exceptionally based and tastepilled
+--- 2425426
+>>2424056
+Fair point. I think I was put off from a lot of the dishes just sounding bad. Shkmeruli might taste great but I never got around to tasting it. Some of the others like kharcho were nice when the meat was good quality but many times it was tough and gristly. 
+
+I have not heard of the rest of those and I was in Tbilisi for a few months. 
+
+I ate at Marge shawarma more times than I am willing to admit.
+--- 2426496
+So very few people get this
+--- 2426501
+>>2425301
+That is 100% a reheated frozen pie which probably explains why it had no flavour.
+--- 2426502
+>>2424188
+The trick here is to always travel and even live and work abroad the boomer way.
+
+Stay in the foreign or expatriate district or the city. Eat out at Western restaurants, and if you want the local food, eat the toned down version for white people served at major hotel restaurants.
+
+Always speak English, so any misinterpretations or misunderstandings aren't your fault. If you're visiting local hotspots, always go with a native tourguide whose job it is to wrangle everything so you don't have to.
+
+Socialise with fellow travelers and foreigners, and the minority of Westernized locals and returning diaspora types.
+--- 2427918
+>>2425297
+>high rated
+As if that is of importance when you can just hack it and get FFF to like your restaurant on Google/etc.
+
+I don't know if you've had this soup before (I haven't), but beetroot soup doesn't exactly scream flavor to me. Au contraire.
+
+>>2425301
+Maybe your picture is nice and sharp but the food here also looks like garbage.
+
+>>2425307
+Same here
+--- 2427921
+>>2420895 (OP)
+You will find God's food grown, fabricated, and served in Hokkaido and Northeast China. 
+
+My statement is irrefutable.
+--- 2427930
+>>2424879
+This is bullshit if you go to Mexico it's basically the middle ages outside of cities no cell phone service old cars and people still riding on wagons pulled by horses and mules and no limit to the endless space.
+Old pottery shards and undiscovered pyramids are still peeking out of the obscure places
+--- 2428262
+>If it was really good, americans would just make their version of it
+yeah with nutella instead of tejföl
+--- 2428270
+>>2422882
+You say that but Americans have never made Yorkshire Puddings which is especially weird given they're incredible filled with chilli con carne
+--- 2428461
+>>2424879
+>>2424921
+The age of exploration is over but there are still many places where you can have adventures, you don't have to go to the deepest jungles of the Amazonas or Papua New Guinea for that either. Just visit National Parks in Indonesi and you will have to deal with having to draw your own map, not even kidding.
+--- 2428469
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Instagram, TikTok, Zoomer haircuts, rap music and American culture are popular across all regions of the worlds with the current generation- from the Balkans to Southeast Asia. There is no escape from this hell in 2023.
+--- 2428487
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Maybe not a proper blackpill but trying to experience very foreign cultures feels pointless and travelling is only good for experiencing nature and societies/peoples but not cultures. I can easily appreciate, enjoy and somewhat 'understand' Western cultures and westernized cultures by being there but in the case of rather alien cultures and subcultures (such as ethnic minorities, think of some small unique ethnicty in India, Burma or Nepal) it just boils down to superficialities such as eating food, listening to music, looking at architecture, clothing etc. Especially in the case of smaller minorities where there is little public knowledge even among western academia. Tbh there aren't many things that these cultures of to offer to a Western person in an industrialised world anyway but even if you ignore that:
+There is the lack of understanding the language and even if there was the will to change that then there are often no books at all, or any kind of language learning material for the lesser known languages. There are no museums (the earliest museum we know is from Ennigaldi-Nanna's museum from Neo-Babylonia but the museum is effectively a rather western concept nowadays and is not the norm outside of the West or foreign major cities) or books (often a foreign concept) or anything alternatively to learning about these cultures beyond the superficial stuff. I guess these cultures share knowledge more verbally and within social classes.
+The first Hindu temple or Stupa seems interesting but after that it boils down to "what am I doing here?" and the interest in these cultures and societies wanes. I remember being smug about dumb western girls talking about experiencing foreign cultures and knowing that they approach was shallow since I was the TrueTraveller going to more remote places but I realised that I wasn't getting more 'experience' in a certain way either.
+
+>>2428469
+Oh yeah that's a true blackpill.
+--- 2428678
+>>2420895 (OP)
+The only real way to "travel" is to live with a native in the country you're visiting for an extended amount of time (at least a week)
+--- 2428685
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Philly Cheesesteaks taste really good and range from garbage to serviceable outside of Philadelphia
+--- 2428778
+>>2424188
+
+1. Italians hate tourists because most are brainlet retards who visit cities for IG selfies and aren't interested in learning anything about the culture. Been to Venice and everyone converges to Rialto/San Marco while the rest of the city's gems are relatively underrated.
+
+2. Most tourists don't even bother trying to learn the basics of the language which irritates the local folks a lot. Learn a bit of the language before you go there and their attitude of you will change drastically.
+
+3. Find a local guide if you want to visit local places without knowing some of the language this way you won't pass off as a weirdo.
+
+The moment you show some interest in speaking their language and respecting their culture they become very friendly with you. But if you act like every faggot that visits and speak only english to waitresses and do zero effort to be understood they'll treat you like another tourist cash cow.
+
+Italian is not even that hard to learn, it's not like french where it's a clusterfuck of a learning process for an english speaker.
+--- 2428782
+>>2425297
+
+Your first mistake was going to an eastern european joint hoping it would be rich food when it's some of the simplest ingredients you can think of. Most places just come up with grilled meat and potatoes with the borscht which is basically just a few vegetables put in a soup.
+
+Plus you went to a Ukrainian spot in Canada, where they got used to the pro-ukraine simping and give absolutely zero fucks about their product since people will give them their money regardless.
+--- 2428827
+>>2421152
+>sicily
+>best olives
+
+baby's first mediterranean trip
+--- 2428843
+>>2425311
+>>2425307
+>>2425301
+>>2425297
+the food isn't the problem here it's your yankified taste buds destroyed by a lifetime of hfcs, hot sauce and lawrys in every meal
+--- 2428853
+>>2428778
+I'm not learning a language to appeal to a bunch of hostile snobbish fucks. I don't understand people like you, "I better learn their language or they'll treat me like shit". So treat me like shit, I'll do the same and take my business elsewhere. I don't care.
+--- 2428912
+>>2425297
+>>2425301
+>>2425307
+>>2425311
+
+>muh seasonigga
+
+Listen Tyrone not everything needs orange chemical powder on it to be seasoned
+--- 2428933
+>>2424188
+Are you charismatic and widely liked back home? The real ''blackpill'' is that if you're an unlikeable sperg back home it will be even worse abroad where you don't understand the local culture and the language and lack the confidence and intuition to get through it.
+--- 2428936
+>>2424159
+I'm from Eastern Europe, a pretty poor country, and this hasn't been the case for at least twenty years. Twenty years ago when they first opened it was only middle class and richfags from cities that would go there for the sake of novelty, nowadays anyone can afford it, but there's very little reason when you can get a good meal for the same price as some shitty fries and a small burger.
+--- 2428949
+>>2425297
+>>2425301
+>>2425307
+>>2425311
+Amerimutts after eating liters of corn syrup and sugar
+--- 2428953
+People don't really care that you're "well traveled" or anything. There was a guy at my work who had taken off for 2 years between jobs and traveled the world, saw like 20-25 countries and a lot of really cool stuff. It was a fun conversation topic for 15 minutes then every time he'd bring it up again people would roll their eyes and talk about how they thought he was annoying behind his back
+--- 2428965
+>>2428853
+>act like a retard
+>get treated like a retard
+Enjoy your chicken alfredo, nigger
+--- 2428968
+>>2420895 (OP)
+It's almost like your taste was shaped by whats closest to your environment you brainlet retard
+--- 2429375
+>>2428853
+
+1. You're retarded as fuck if you think italians are snobbish, try the french, koreans, chinese folks and see how they treat you.
+
+2. You'd behave the same, or even worse if you had chinese people or jeets who can't speak english visiting your establishment.
+
+3. Most places treat you just fine, dunno why it's always you antisocial fucks complaining in here when the only places you go to are tourists traps and act like total spergs with the local folks
+
+I drove around italy to cities with little to no tourism and never had issues and im not even fluent in the language.
+--- 2429384
+>>2428953
+Yeah this. The only time it matters is when you meet someone with similar interests, or a person from the places you're familiar with. Braindead normies don't give a fuck about the world beyond their shitty suburban house and where they go to work. 
+
+>>2428853
+>I'm not learning a language to appeal to a bunch of hostile snobbish fucks.
+This. If you're planning on spending a significant amount of time in a country, that's one thing. But it's stupid to expect you to care if you're only gonna visit for like two weeks and never return.
+--- 2429409
+>>2429384
+
+Learning some words to get around takes 3 hours of your time at most.
+--- 2429718
+>>2421073
+looks like papa johns pizza with an egg cracked on top
+--- 2429762
+>>2428778
+The exact opposite is true outside of Europe. If you're white, people secretly look down on you for trying to blend in with the natives. If instead you carry yourself with the quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times, or the endearing ignorance and assumed superiority of a post-WW2 American, they'll hate your guts, but they'll respect you.
+--- 2430082
+>>2429762
+>If instead you carry yourself with the quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times, or the endearing ignorance and assumed superiority of a post-WW2 American, they'll hate your guts, but they'll respect you.
+This. Don't understand english? Well let me speak more slowly for you. Still don't understand? Well let me speak English with an affected accent of your country for you. Still don't understand? Well here's Mr. Thomas Jefferson to do my talking for me.
+--- 2431070
+>>2429762
+>quiet confidence and haughty attitude of a British colonial governor during Victorian times
+Exceptionally based
+--- 2431080
+>>2423259
+>family needs pig farm, buffalo sick, or sister needs college funds
+heard em all friend
+--- 2431359
+>>2420941
+I can't take
+>Muh sugary bread!
+Seriously as a good faith criticism while, Euros takes their non sugary bread and cover it in chocolate sprinkles for breakfast.
+--- 2431407
+>>2420998
+Enjoy your mad cow
+--- 2431408
+>>2431407
+He said European food not British "food".
+--- 2431965
+>>2422865
+>>2423120
+I have been to most of the Georgian restaurants in DC. They range from good to great, never been disappointed. To the point of this thread, yes, it is largely an underrepresented cuisine. Not sure about whether that alone makes it an "undiscovered gem"
+--- 2431984
+>>2431408
+Still significantly higher rates than in the US, sucka
+--- 2432091
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+yeah, the reason is that most amerifatties have the tastebuds of gigantic, morbidly obese babies
+--- 2432174
+>>2420895 (OP)
+"Fine quisine" =/= richfag restaurants. Fine qusine is spare and can be pricy but also can be middle to even cheap while having most tasty food on menu. The real bumer is, that your richfag establishments of foregin cuisine in your own country serve 2nd hand dishes that are prepared to be "tasty" for the citizens of country which the restaurant is located. In other words, you eat something which usually taste totally different than orginal stuff. You can say that there are some richfag restaurants that use original recipes and products that are flied over from country of restaurant theme, but those are the few, very few. Its like climbing the mountain. Of course you can pay 100k to be piggybacked on top of mt everest to brag about being on top of the world, but i think that climbing on your own on even 3500m mountain can be a tastier expirience. Superb mountains are all over the place, some are well known, some are hidden gems, the same with the food/restaurants. OP views are typical hamburger nonsense, written by a man without any taste whatsoever.
+--- 2432192
+>>2420895 (OP)
+I had puffin in Iceland and it was pretty good. It's illegal in the USA so your post is fake and gay
+--- 2432193
+>>2421073
+Looks like stuffed pussy lips
+--- 2432660
+>>2420895 (OP)
+There’s no reason to learn another language other than if you’re staying there forever or want to coom
+--- 2432739
+There are some cultures that like their food raw and unseasoned (Argentinians) and some cultures that put 1kg of spices into any Dish (India).
+
+>You should not never trust an Indian review of an Argentinian restaurant and vice versa
+--- 2432748
+>>2420980
+most fine dining now takes peasant dishes and elevates them with the best versions of their ingredients and the skills/experience of the staff
+--- 2432856
+>>2432660
+Shut up
+--- 2432908
+>>2420980
+>Variation within-group is usually greater than between groups
+What does this mean
+--- 2432953
+>>2432908
+The low class and high class Americans are more different than the average American and average Mexican
+--- 2433812
+>>2428936
+True.
+--- 2433970
+>>2420895 (OP)
+I ate roast pork in a village in Serbia and it was the best meat I ever tasted.
+--- 2434002
+>>2420895 (OP)
+i wouldn't trust a chinese buffet ran by a white man.
+
+i wouldn't trust a mexican restaurant ran by a white man.
+
+there's a reason why taco bell failed everytime they opened up a spot in mexico. taco bell could actually be succesful in south america but it would have to be an entirely different menu with completely different ingredients.
+--- 2434005
+>>2420897
+To add on to this there are restrictions against some food imports because of food safety standards, to prevent the spread of pests/disease, or to protect US food producers from competition. Alternatively some foods are just too hard to transport, go bad too fast, or there aren't enough people from a specific culture to make it economically worthwhile to import.
+--- 2434039
+>>2433970
+heh, come over sometime and I can show you something that tastes even better ;)
+--- 2434512
+>>2434039
+Address?
+--- 2434542
+>>2434512
+2311 Central Ave, Billings, MT 59102
+See you soon big boy ;)
+--- 2434553
+>>2434002
+I live in San Antonio, and while we have great Mexican food, I go to Taco Bell more than anywhere else.
+--- 2434565
+>>2434553
+Based
+--- 2434921
+>>2420895 (OP)
+You can't import good fruits (green bananas shipped for a month can't compare to a fresh yellow one from a tree)
+--- 2434985
+>>2434002
+>Thread is about food availability in America
+>Mentions Mexico for some odd reason
+
+Sure, maybe someone in rural Chihuahua can't get access to real Ethiopian food as they're taking an acid bath in an empty warehouse. I'll give you that. In civilized countries we can get our pick of Taco Bell or actual Mexican food any time of day.
+--- 2434992
+>>2420998
+>Find locally grown apple in US
+>Eat it
+>Throw up knowing this is worse for me than a piece of cheap deep fried beef butchered by a migrant in Germany
+Many such cases. EU is truly superior
+--- 2434994
+>>2421152
+>t. has shitty resistance against basic microbes
+--- 2435007
+>>2424879
+>underwater
+--- 2435009
+>>2421175
+>>2422974
+shit post
+--- 2435043
+>>2421152
+>The best food goods in the world are found in large, rich countries like US and China because they have the most wealthy consumers that will pay for the best food imports from all around the world.
+Until the moment when the industrialists prefer to produce locally instead of importing and make you believe that it is the same quality. And guess what?
+It sucks
+--- 2436362
+Why does any discussion of travel inevitably devolve into morbidly obese fat fucks talking about stuffing their fat fucking gullets?
+--- 2436453
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>>"Local delicacies" range from mediocre deviations of existing food to outright terrible
+Local delicacies usually are the original dish that a US abomintaion is based on
+>>"Hidden gems" of the culinary world basically do not exist. It's 2023, we know what's good and what isn't.
+Only if you are talking about traveling in the West and the developed Asia
+>>If it's not available on shelves in America, there's probably a reason for it.
+Probably because it doesn't include HFCS or because it is organic and fresh
+--- 2436456
+>>2421073
+Had this shit once, its got to be the most overrated shit ever. 
+
+Its good, cheesy bread always will be, but its exactly just that; cheesy bread.
+--- 2436468
+>>2420920
+>Food that isn't super cheap and chock-full of sugar just isn't competitive in the American market
+false
+only poor people eat that stuff
+--- 2436480
+>>2420980
+>economist here
+Opinion discarded. I didn't even read the rest of your post.
+--- 2437688
+>>2421563
+There are, you just have to look for them.
+>>2420941
+When you say 'American bread', what do you mean? Like the bread you find in grocery aisles at the stores?
+I had to start cooking most my own food after traveling because it can't compare to food overseas. The dishes we get in most fast food and even most resturaunts just throws too much on there. Some of the best food in Italy I had was just like 4 ingrediants and it was amazing. Keeping it simple really helps.
+But when you do find a good resturaunt here in America, don't tell anyone. Keep it to yourself and close family/friends.
+--- 2437692
+>>2420895 (OP)
+I was the first in my family born outside of Greece and what I noticed is: 
+
+Until very, very recently Greeks didn't eat what wasn't out of season making their food far better. I grew up eating figs because my grandparents had a fig tree in Long Island that they pruned and wrapped in housing insulation. But supermarket figs in the USA shipped from Florida, California or other countries like Chile or whatever always taste like crap by comparison. 
+
+This is the American mentality when it comes to food: 
+Ship avocados from somewhere in the world at all times to New jersey. Preferably Mexico, but when it is not in season from the Mexican cartels they likely ship them from Chile or something, and on and on. 
+
+In Greece if you go to a zaxaroplasteio(sweet shop) and ask for the grape must pudding outside(moustaleveria) too far outside of grape season they simply won't make it. Further when figs are out of season in Greece they won't ship them from all over the world(they'll taste like crap anyway). 
+
+They pick most fruits, vegetables when they are far from ripe then they use some artificial gas to prematurely ripen them when they are close to arriving at a supermarket shelf. I have noticed that when I make burgers and I eat the leftover tomatoes portions plain so as to not throw them out that the tomatoes which are almost always out of season don't taste good standalone. 
+
+American food doesn't taste good because of this national mentality.
+--- 2437694
+>>2436468
+>You have to go to niche stores if you have anything approaching subtlety in your palate.
+I guess you had a Biden moment and forgot what you were reading mid-sentence
+--- 2437737
+>>2436468
+That might be true in some rural areas with one grocery, but you don't have t go to Ralphs if you live in a city. Every major US city has bakeries and farmer's markets.The reason people go to a large grocery in the US is convenience. It's one stop with endless variety. But literally every Ralphs, Safeway, Kroger, Alvertson's and Costco in the US has fresh baked baguettes, fresh produce and fresh meat. They just cost more than the frozen processed shit that's filled with sugar and basedbean oil. 
+
+I'm really allergic to basedbean oil, so I really can't eat food that comes from a box. I can get plenty of fresh food at literally any grocery store. The average produce section in the US is larger than most of the grocery stores I've seen anywhere in Europe. I bet your grocery doesn't have 8 different types of apples.
+--- 2438191
+>>2424056
+>be turd worlder
+>have mediocre cuisine made with basic ingredients that exists in at least 8 other cultures
+>give dishes retarded exotic sounding names like Khashboj and Jokgoyslopia
+lmao
+stop posting and eat your totally unique beef stew and boiled chicken in silence
+--- 2438231
+>>2437737
+Produce in the first world comes in a wide range of comfortable mediocrity.
+In the second and third world you don't have this safety, and you have to gamble or know your way around markets to distinguish between shit and the best fruits and vegetables you've ever tasted.
+
+Even if you go to actual farmer's markets in the West you'll still end up with relatively bland tomatoes, radishes and melons despite them being fresh and long-lasting.
+In developing countries your fruits, vegetables and salads from the market will go bad much quicker but if you picked well you'll end up with a tastier meal.
+--- 2438296
+>>2421073
+You can get this all over LA there's a great place in Hollywood and it's the best drunk food there is.
+--- 2438309
+>>2437692
+Do europeans seriously think anyone cares about their butthurt walls of text?
+--- 2438322
+>>2438231
+Agree to disagree. I'll take a tomato grown on the eastern shore of Maryland over any tomato in Italy. You don't need to know shit about corn. You walk up to any farmers market in the southeastern US and pick out 4 ears of white corn and it'll be the best corn you've ever eaten. You'll never eat better berries than the ones they grow in Washington and Oregon. Every area has their specialty. I buy lamb that comes from New Zealand, snow crabs from the arctic and oranges from Florida in my local grocery. They didn't have anything close to that variety anywhere Ive been in Europe.
+--- 2438388
+the ultimate blackpill: women will not throw themselves at you just because you are a foreigner. the kind of women that are open to fucking you have already been ran through by miles of cock.
+--- 2438806
+>>2438309
+Shut the fuck up, mutt
+--- 2438807
+>>2438806
+No guns no NODs no Trucks lmao
+--- 2438814
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Food isn't a meme, THOUGH. You aren't getting authentic Texas BBQ anywhere in the world except Texas. The same goes for many other cuisines.
+--- 2438820
+>>2438806
+Bitchasd nigga
+--- 2438877
+>>2438814
+theres no spice on that brisket
+
+I ate it once, tasted like smoke.
+--- 2439240
+>>2438814
+Memphis had the best BBQ Ive ever eaten and it's not even close. But that dies look like a good plate of meat. But you fucked up. Never order Turkey or Sausage. You always want ribs and pulled pork. Ordering grilled meat in Europe is laughable after you've eaten any American BBQ.
+--- 2439337
+>>2420895 (OP)
+>Travel Blackpills
+positive recommendations from people in your social circle are worthless. they are not going to admit they had a shit time because it makes them look like idiots, so everything they done was great, except for 1 thing which was out of their control and so they weren't to blame.
+--- 2439401
+>>2421134
+I am not sure whether this is ironic or not but it's the absolute truth and no irony will change this fact of life.
+--- 2439406
+>>2438806
+>having a superiority complex because your country has food shortages
+--- 2439714
+>>2420895 (OP)
+trv blackpill: if you live overseas long enough, you WILL become racist to a greater or lesser extent; it is impossible to live in foreign countries among alien cultures and not begin to notice patterns and commonalities.
+--- 2439909
+>>2438807
+>>2438820
+>>2439406
+>>2438309
+
+I'm not even the one who wrote this post: >>2437692
+
+>>2438820
+You write like a nigger, no wonder seeing how the nigger is worshipped in Muttland
+
+>>2438807
+Eat garbage and shit food without taste. Uncultured and proud. You don't even have proper cheese. Embarrassing. You're literally like that movie Team America. Going to spoonfeed you: It's not a compliment.
+--- 2439915
+>>2438322
+You do know that you're comparing two first world countries?
+The poster was talking about the third world where agriculture only serves the local population and therefore didn't adapt its produce to global shipping standards.
+A Thai dragon fruit or a Turkmen water melon will go bad quickly but as long as it is fresh it will taste much more intensely than whatever Spanish or American fruits you can get.
+--- 2440012
+>>2420895 (OP)
+Hamburger helper is available on shelves in the USA , the reason real food isn't available in American shelves is because it's not the kind of stuff a pig would eat out of a trough that you people are used to
+--- 2440297
+>>2440012
+I would take hamburger helper over an """authentic""" "flåégesbrok" that's really just two boiled turnips drizzled in olive oil.
+--- 2440524
+>>2421073
+i have a georgian bakery that sells this right next to me in nyc
+--- 2440525
+>>2421073
+georgia is a state in the US you absolute mong
+--- 2440526
+>>2420895 (OP)
+travelfags need to stop be so homosexual, there are 5 restaurants in sweden alone (where i live) that i am confident none of you know and that serves food many swedes havent tasted before, let alone travelfags from abroad and no, i will not spread them on 4chan, i know the owners of 2 of the places
+--- 2441324
+>>2440525
+It's a country

trv/2421252.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,969 @@
+-----
+--- 2421252
+It has been officially announced today that China will begin issuing tourist visas again, for the first time since 2020. Reported by Bloomberg, Reuters and WSJ.
+
+Applications open 15th March 2023. 
+
+https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-reopens-to-foreign-tourists-lifting-covid-visa-suspensions-58b73d76
+
+Anyone remember the process from the before time?
+--- 2421319
+>>2421252 (OP)
+I went to Hong Kong and got visa at the airport, costs a bit more for multiple entry or long term but they issue them out easily for you then you catch a flight to mainland. My broke ass was struggling and couldn't get express 1 day processing so I lived for a few days at that airport, which was a nice airport with paid showers, other people sleeping and many food options but still that was a young dumb and free decision you do in your 20s. 
+
+In any case visas are easy to visitors I guess with good passports because the agency does whatever invitation thing they need. I can't remember what else was required but they keep your passport until it's ready obviously. This may be a better option if you don't live near a Chinese embassy or don't want to wait.
+--- 2421460
+>>2421252 (OP)
+Wheres the idiot who said they were ripping Chinese passports of people who leave the country? These guys are everywhere right now.
+--- 2421547
+Who cares? China's a stinking dump
+--- 2421565
+>>2421547
+Thank you for your valuable contribution. This thread can die now, as anon has declared nobody should care about China. 
+
+Hey jackass. Of course there will be some people who care. Stay out of threads you don't like.
+--- 2421961
+>>2421252 (OP)
+How to visit? Recommendations?
+--- 2421968
+>>2421252 (OP)
+Holy shit. Maybe i can finally go to shanghai after all
+--- 2422067
+>>2421252 (OP)
+I live in Chingqing. Thinking of making some travel videos for the few of you who plan to come here. What would interest you? Top 5 eateries? Top 5 cafes? Best walking paths? I really don't know.
+--- 2422086
+>>2422067
+Best clubs to pick up Chinese girls.
+--- 2422095
+>>2422086
+What is your budget?
+--- 2422116
+>>2422095
+NTA but not a concern. Would stay at a 5star.
+--- 2422130
+>>2422116
+>>2422086
+whats your age too?
+--- 2422261
+>>2421460
+They were blocking Chinese from leaving for 'non-essential purposes' ie tourism most of last year, although enforcement strictness varied greatly by port of exit.
+
+>>2421961
+Visa agent for tourist visa you'll have it back in a week unless the consulates are still messed up, which is possible depending on your country
+
+Recs are hard to give without knowing your previous (if any) China history but as a general hidden gem recommendation, in my opinion - Dongbei - particularly Dalian/Changchun
+
+>>2422086
+literally any of them, ESPECIALLY in Chongqing
+--- 2422270
+>>2422130
+Age:57
+Budget: no more than $5 for a cover and drinks should be no more than $1
+--- 2422299
+>>2422270
+Are you trolling? Chongqing isn't Thailand. Nowhere will sell you drinks for a dollar. 
+>>2422261
+>They were preventing Chinese from leaving 
+Yeah that's some real fake news shit. Plenty of people I know went out. The problem was coming back in as you had to do quarantine.
+--- 2422320
+>>2422299
+Passport shredding is largely fake news. Denying people exit for tourism was 1) the official policy 2) widely documented 3) saw it with my own eyes last time I left
+--- 2422324
+>>2421252 (OP)
+>mfw 8 year family visit Visa has been uncancelled which means I can simply just fly there immediately
+--- 2422551
+i'm a tall, handsome white guy who speaks intermediate mandarin, im gonna go to chengdu and fuck every girl I see~
+--- 2423934
+>>2421252 (OP)
+Stay out, white/black/brown trashes. Only yellow trash are allowed.
+--- 2423936
+>>2421252 (OP)
+What's the easiest way to get into china? L visa? i read that some ports in china have visa on arrival for very short term (3-5) days. couldnt you just visa on arrival and then go to the consulate in country and get an L visa?
+--- 2423940
+>>2423936
+>Couldn't you just visa on arrival and then go to the consulate in country and get an L visa?
+Don't know about China but many visa on arrival and visa waiver arrangements explicitly forbid extensions and visa changes from within the country.
+--- 2423957
+>>2421252 (OP)
+>Anyone remember the process from the before time?
+
+I was in 2015
+basically you need to go the embassy with a photos and your passport, they give you a paper with basic shit to fill out like: your job, your employer, your bank account balance, where do you want to go etc. After you finally give them your stuff they tell you to wait. After like 3 hours they called me again, saying my visa is approved, and they will notice me when I can go back for my passport (it was like 3-5 days)
+--- 2423959
+>>2422551
+chengdu is known as the gay hub of china. curious you mentioned that place specifically
+--- 2423961
+>>2423957
+>>2421252 (OP)
+>Anyone remember the process from the before time?
+
+I went in 2018 to Xinjiang and Qinghai and Tibet. I had to fake a whole itinerary with flights and hotels in completely different places which I cancelled immediately after getting my visa approved. To my knowledge you still have to provide the embassy with all your days accounted for in bookings as well as flight tickets in and out of the cuntry.
+--- 2424016
+>>2422261
+>Dongbei
+Lets psyop the coomers into visiting Shenyang just like they got psyop'd into visiting Vietnam for pussy kek
+--- 2424206
+>>2423936
+Countries do not maintain consulates/embassies inside of their own country for obvious reasons.
+
+Yes there is transit visa, aka visa on arrival, 72-144 hours depending on port of entry and you are limited to where you can visit, usually just to the port of entry itself although Shanghai lets you visit Zhejiang and Jiangsu as well. You have enter from one country and have a departing ticket to a third country for this to be allowed
+
+There is no way to switch/obtain visa inside China or extend stay if you enter this way.
+
+>>2424016
+Dongbei is a good part of China for mongering but a bad part of the country for picking up normal women (relatively speaking)
+--- 2424212
+>>2422067
+Just do the most aesthetic places that's why people go there
+--- 2424227
+I don't like Chinese women because they get pregnant on purpose to sell aborted fetus stem cells for spending money.
+--- 2424250
+>>2424227
+holy based
+--- 2424252
+>>2423961
+>>2423961
+A lot of countries ask you for hotel and itinerary when visiting. I always just make up bullshit. No idea why they even bother asking. No country I ever went to ever checked
+--- 2424253
+>>2422551
+>Chengdu 
+>Girls
+Uh huh. Sure you are.
+--- 2424327
+>>2422261
+>Dongbei
+
+Why do zoomcels do this? Its name in English is Manchooria.
+--- 2424446
+>>2424327
+Unless you also refer to Guanzhou as Canton and Xiamen as Amoy, etc, this is dumb. Dongbei is currently the most correct and universally understood way of referring to it
+--- 2424450
+>>2424252
+>I always just make up bullshit. No idea why they even bother asking.
+When you apply for United States permanent residency, they ask if you're a member of the Communist Party. Nobody with half a brain will say yes, but if they catch you lying, it's grounds to immediately revoke your legal status and even prosecute you.
+--- 2424459
+>>2424252
+but in china they also want to see actual receipts and bookings not just your word afaik
+--- 2424460
+>>2424450
+There's a difference between lying and changing your plans.
+You can get into trouble trying to overthrow the US government and assassinating the president without checking the correct boxes on the immigration form.
+You are less likely to get into trouble for changing parts of your itinerary after you got the visa, this used to be a common procedure in China until they closed their borders in 2020.
+--- 2424461
+>>2424459
+Refundable reservations and flights bookings are accepted, a fairly common sense policy TBQH.
+--- 2424496
+>>2424446
+Manchuria is absolutely the most common name used outside of China. 
+>Dongbei is currently the most correct way of referring to it
+In China, yes, but we're not in China.
+>Dongbei is currently the most universally understood way of referring to it
+That is just not true.
+--- 2424498
+>>2424460
+>You can get into trouble trying to overthrow the US government and assassinating the president without checking the correct boxes on the immigration form.
+If the government ever feels like making you fuck off, they can revoke your residency without a trial if you are caught lying on the forms you applied for it with. No need for criminal charges or making them stick. Admittedly, this is an extreme example. No one's gonna get you into trouble for fibbing about where you'll be staying. They probably just want a way of finding you in case the need ever comes up.
+--- 2424508
+>>2424498
+>If the government ever feels like making you fuck off, they can revoke your residency without a trial if you are caught lying on the forms you applied for it with.
+That's the purpose of those questions.
+No criminals will be caught because of them but they're really convenient to get rid of people.
+--- 2424570
+>>2424253
+Is it like twink heaven or what?
+
+What are Chinese twinks like?
+--- 2424627
+>>2424496
+>In China, yes, but we're not in China
+but anon, I AM in China
+...and I would contend that the average westerner would be equally unable to identify "Manchuria" OR "Dongbei" on a map
+
+>>2424570
+Chengdu is the fag capital of China but also one of the best cities to get girls. It's kind of just a big party city. Very relaxed. I don't know any particulars about the local twinks other than IIRC some club got busted for hosting a bug chasing party a couple years ago kek
+--- 2424881
+>>2424627
+Everybody who knows a little bit of WWII history knows about Manchuria, but nobody has heard of Donbei.
+--- 2425210
+>my post was deleted
+For what reason? Seriously, tranny jannies need to explain themselves
+--- 2425814
+Can someone confirm that the 10-year tourist visas (for Americans) will be honored? I want to use mine to see China again and transit through with trains all around Asia.
+--- 2425839
+>>2425814
+All pre-March 2020 visas, including tourist visas, are reinstated and will be honored so long as not expired
+--- 2425911
+>>2422067
+Anything that would be difficult to research or find on english google as opposed to chinese baidu
+--- 2425954
+>>2424227
+Based pro choice queens
+--- 2426481
+>>2424327
+Do you still call Beijing Peking? Exactly. Get with the times grandpa.
+--- 2426482
+>>2425911
+Good idea. But what exactly?
+>>2424212
+Good idea. Thanks.
+--- 2426543
+>>2426481
+Not him, but I do. I don't let the Chinese, Turkish or Ivorian government tell me what to say in my own language. I don't speak Mandarin. It's called Peking in English.
+--- 2426552
+>>2426543
+You can call it whatever you want but most governments and publishers call it Dongbei and Beijing, similar to how they renamed Kiev and anything involving "jap", "nigger" and "sqaw".
+--- 2426554
+>>2426552
+>most governments and publishers call it Dongbei
+I have never seen this anywhere until this thread.
+--- 2426663
+>>2426543
+Ok but make sure you don’t draw an arbitrary line here. You must also refer to Guangzhou as Canton, Xiamen as Amoy, Foochow, Chekiang, Korea as Corea, etc
+--- 2426669
+>>2426663
+>Guangzhou as Canton
+Most people do think of Guangzhou as Canton unless they're Chinese or very young.
+--- 2426671
+>>2426554
+How many times do you read about this region in a contemporary context?
+--- 2426674
+>>2426669
+I dont know about ‘most’ but sure plenty of people think about Beijing as Peking and GZ as Canton. But once you get beyond those two cities, if you try to communicate about China and insist on using 19th/20th century place names, ie Chekiang, Kwangsi, Amoy, it will be confusing at best or people will just have no clue what you’re talking about
+--- 2426724
+>>2426663
+I will pick and choose on a case by case basis. I will never use the names Amoy, Foochow or Chekiang because those are not names most people know including me. There's a difference between Peking and Canton on one hand, and relatively minor cities that will leave people scratching their heads. In this case we have lost. The English name for China's capital is Peking, and I see no reason to stop using its English name and start using a Chinese name. I don't speak Chinese. If there's a Chinese city whose name has no English translation, or whose English name is unknown, I will use the Chinese name out of necessity. 
+
+>Korea as Corea
+This is a different spelling, but not a different name. Written language is nothing more than a representation of spoken language.
+
+Let me illustrate my thoughts by looking at Europe, and saying that my native language is Dutch. There are a bunch of places in Europe that have a perfectly fine name in Dutch, but we stopped using them. The English city of Norwich used to be called Noordwijk in Dutch. Why the hell did we switch to English? Or what about Szczecin in Poland? Does anyone know how to pronounce it? It used to be very simple in Dutch, it was called Stettijn. Code switching can physically FEEL very awkward, or you can completely butcher the pronunciation. Please tell me, what languages do you speak? 
+
+Let me ask you, how do you pronounce Xiamen? 
+
+>>2426671
+Me? Almost never. Maybe it's just me. But as you can read above, I oppose code switching mid-sentence. You don't just speak English for an entire sentence, and then half way switch to Chinese for one word, and then continue in English. It makes no sense. Chinese is a completely different language with a completely different phonology. Even code switching between Dutch and English is awkward as fuck.
+--- 2426735
+>>2426724
+>The English name for China's capital is Peking
+Not exactly, Peking is the transliteration of 北京 according to the Wade-Giles standard. Beijing is the transliteration according to the modern pinyin standard. Both are transliterations of Chinese characters, not separate English names like Port Arthur for Dalian. Taiwan still uses the old transliteration for city names thus Taipei instead of Taibei and Kaoshiung instead of Gaoxiong, etc.
+
+I speak Chinese and English. I pronounce city names as they are in Chinese, but without tones or native accent if speaking in English. Xiamen is approximately Sha-Men
+
+I agree that code switching is awkward but in this case the original "English" names were still just Chinese transliterations, so unless you really go out of your way to show off "local" Chinese pronunciation, I don't see a difference. Use what people are most likely to understand, which is now city names based on pinyin, NOT Wade Giles
+--- 2426744
+>>2426724
+>Why the hell did we switch to English?
+Because it's easier to not have to maintain several similar-sounding names for the same place, especially if both languages use the same alphabet (and yes, the PRC uses Latin characters to phonetically represent their Chinese languages).
+
+While some major places have their own foreign names (e.g. "Rome", "Moscow", "Milan"), the absolute majority of places don't, so you have to use the native names anyway, so why not save time and use them anyway?
+Obviously you have to make exceptions for fuckups like Turkey where the sultan has to stroke his manhood by making foreign officials stumble with "Türkiye".
+
+>You don't just speak English for an entire sentence, and then half way switch to Chinese for one word, and then continue in English. It makes no sense.
+That's how many languages work though, unless they do not have the appropriate phonological or graphemic inventory (Japanese and Chinese are prime suspects but Italian and Russian aren't far behind) or there is some political force trying to keep foreign influence at bay (Quebec Language Police anyone?).
+--- 2427214
+>>2426735
+>Not exactly, Peking is the transliteration of 北京 
+Well, what other alternatives are there? Cambaluc? Dadu? I'm not aware of a real English name for Peking. At least Peking fits with English (and Dutch) spelling and phonology. It has been used for a long time in English and I see no reason to change it. Honestly Beijing is not hard to pronounce or read in English, so it's not as bad as Xiamen, but that doesn't mean it's a necessary change. If I have to choose between Wade-Giles and pinyin, I choose Wade-Giles. Wade-Giles feels less foreign, and it's the system we used originally. That said, I approve of the Chinese government establishing pinyin in the first place. Making a standardised spelling of your language in other alphabets is something more nations should do. I studied some Persian many years ago for my travels, and also just because I really really like Iran. The Persian alphabet/abjad was a pain to deal with (because it's not designed for Persian, it's designed for Arabic), and every book I used had a different romanisation. 
+
+>I speak Chinese and English.
+Okay, cool. But if you pronounce Xiamen without tone or native accent, and pronounce the X as SH, then you've already changed the name of the city. At least that's how I see it. At this point, I think it makes sense to just use an English name. 
+
+>Use what people are most likely to understand
+Absolutely right when we're talking about lesser known places. But I don't think we're there yet for Peking in particular. But I can only speak for myself and my impressions. If foreign businesses who work in China exclusively use Dongbei, then I'm afraid I'd have to admit defeat, but I don't know if they do. To be honest, I thought you were an idiot when we first tarted talking about this, because I couldn't conceive that I was wrong. Sorry for telling you about your country. You obviously know what you're talking about. You probably think I'm an arrogant prick.
+--- 2427216
+>>2426744
+So I will concede about Dongbei/Manchuria if you give me your word for it, but I will stand by my conviction that we should not replace names or terms by other terms that 'sound more foreign'. 
+
+>That's how many languages work though
+Are you saying it's normal for languages to adopt foreign words into their lexicon? I realise it happens all the time, but I will argue that that is not a natural way how languages evolve. Languages organically change by small systematic changes throughout the entire language as a whole, in the form of phonetic/phonological changes and stuff. Loan words are an unfortunate side effect of different languages interacting. Randomly replacing existing words with loan words, or using loan words to fill in gaps, is a big threat to an existing language's identity. I am well aware that this is a radical view and very few people agree with me.
+
+>Quebec Language Police anyone?
+Heroes. As a radical language purist I think this should exist everywhere.
+--- 2427274
+>>2427214
+You are free to use Wade Giles, I just don't think it on balance makes the words easier to pronounce and I am certain it is not the most widely understood nowadays. Re: Xiamen, I don't replace the X with SH, you asked for pronunciation and I figured it wouldn't be helpful to go "Oh its easy, you just say Xia-men..."
+
+>But I don't think we're there yet for Peking in particular
+Not sure about Europe but I've never met a single person in the United States who didn't use 'Beijing'
+
+>If foreign businesses who work in China exclusively use Dongbei
+I can assure you there is not a single foreign business in China that uses the term "Manchuria", not only because it's outdated, but because the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did. Anyone who has current involvement with China, commercial or otherwise, uses "Dongbei" and pinyin place names. No need to apologize, I don't think you're a prick, you just don't know what you're talking about - which is normal for 100% of Westerners who don't live in China and ~75% of those who do....
+--- 2427296
+>>2427274
+>Re: Xiamen, I don't replace the X with SH, you asked for pronunciation and I figured it wouldn't be helpful to go "Oh its easy, you just say Xia-men..."
+I think there's a misunderstanding here. You say you pronounce Xiamen as Sha-Men, which to me looks like /ʃamen/ or something like that. What I meant with replacing the X with a SH, is that you change the pronounciation of the word. If I understand pinyin somewhat, the X is supposed to be pronounced as /ʃj/ and not /ʃ/. So my point is that you call it differently, even though your English pronunciation is very close to the actual name in Mandarin. Can you read IPA? 
+
+>the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did
+Why?
+
+>you just don't know what you're talking about - which is normal for 100% of Westerners who don't live in China and ~75% of those who do....
+I'm sorry anon, it must be annoying.
+--- 2427313
+>>2427296
+>>the Chinese would get actively butthurt if you did
+>Why?
+I'm guessing the association with Japanese interwar domination
+--- 2427324
+>>2427214
+Actually, Peking is not from Wade-Giles, this is a common misconception. Peking is a translation of the Chinese capital's name that became common in European languages as early as the 17th century, two centuries before Thomas Wade was so much as a twinkle in his father's eye.
+
+The city's name was pronounced BAY-ging at the time in Mandarin (much as it still is today in Cantonese). Peking would actually be written Peiching in Wade-Giles if you wanted to reflect current standard prononciation.
+--- 2427326
+>>2426481
+>Hongkong
+>Macau
+>Peking
+>Amoy
+>Nanking
+>Canton
+>Kwangsi
+>Kuomintang
+>Chiang Kai-Shek
+>Mao Tse-tung
+>Sun Yat-sen
+>Formosa
+>Takow
+>Port Arthur
+>Manchooria
+>City of Victoria
+>Aberdeen
+>Tartars
+>hopo
+>yamen
+>chop suey
+>Taoism
+>Confucius
+>Mencius
+>Koxinga
+>Ts'ao Ts'ao
+>Liu P'ei
+>Chao Yun
+>Tung Cho
+>Sun Ch'uan
+>Kwan Yu
+--- 2427346
+>>2427324
+Interesting. Thanks.
+--- 2427356
+>>2427296
+I took your original question to be asking how to pronounce Xiamen, so I explained it approximately. You are correct that Sha-men would be wrong but thats still how I'd explain it to non-Chinese speakers for sake of ease. I don't know what IPA is or how to read those pronunciation marks you wrote. Didn't use those when learning Chinese so I can only tell you I pronounce Xiamen as Xia4men2 / 厦门 (which is obviously unhelpful, apologies)
+
+The other poster basically answered the question about Manchuria. It was a Japanese puppet which is resented. Also the Qing dynasty came from there and were technically invading foreigners. While Manchuria is a geographical area it was also a political unit which no longer exists, was vanquished by the CCP, and so the term has disappeared from use within China except in historical context.
+
+>>2427324
+Interesting, I didn't know that but a quick search shows that after Wade Giles they just continued using Peking since it was what everyone was used to.
+--- 2427360
+>>2427356
+Thanks.
+--- 2427369
+>>2427274
+>I've never met a single person in the United States who didn't use 'Beijing'
+
+Don't know what you're talking about. We always say Peking duck
+--- 2427374
+>>2427369
+Yeah thats the name of the dish, that's different. They still call it Peking duck in China too
+--- 2427560
+Even after 1000 days in Chinese prison, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig still have yellow fever. Powerful stuff.
+--- 2427625
+>>2424446
+yeah I do this
+--- 2427632
+Just avoid the escalators in China.
+Or any buildings.
+Or anything man made at all really. 
+Enjoy the wildlife that chinks haven't ate yet.
+--- 2427640
+>>2421565
+>jackass
+
+Imagine being a 68 year old
+Boomer on the interwebs.
+Faget
+--- 2427658
+>>2427632
+Ironically you have to avoid the urban wildlife in the US.
+--- 2427685
+>>2427640
+Imagine thinking everyone on the internet is an American.
+Idiot.
+--- 2427899
+>>2427374
+No they don't they call it Beijing Kaoya
+
+Booya
+--- 2427916
+>>2427899
+>>2427374
+>>2427369
+Everyone says Beijing to refer to the city. Some people still say Peking Duck but even that name is getting less popular. Saying Peking is cringe, saying Peking Duck is fine.
+--- 2427922
+>>2427899
+In English though it’s still called Peking Duck
+--- 2427937
+I went to China when I was 14 and didn't get any pussy. One girl sent me nudes but I could never get her in bed.
+--- 2427938
+>>2427632
+Did she die?
+--- 2427980
+So who is moving to China this year?
+If I'm 30, burnt out of tech work, can I ESL-meme into a chinese waifu in 2023+?
+--- 2428003
+>>2427560
+Spavor
+>amoral businessman, friends with Kim Jong-un
+>pale FOB gf
+Kovrig
+>Soros funded pro-west shill
+>tanned CBC girlfriend
+Exactly what you'd expect.
+--- 2428028
+>>2427980
+yes 100%. and you will get a good salary and most likely your apartment paid for.
+--- 2428034
+>>2428028
+Has the exodus of expats made up for cram schools closing?
+--- 2428042
+>>2428034
+what do you mean? are there ESL jobs? yeah, tons. i would never accept lower thank 20k rmb, and thats the absolute lowest i'd take. and they better be tossing in a free apartment or half paid apartment
+--- 2428074
+>>2428003
+>Spavor
+What was amoral about his English teaching business?
+
+I read his old blog from like 2005. When he mentioned loving Korean culture, it gave me the impression he was a bit of a coomer. I mean, how could you not be, dedicating years of your life to learning Korean dialects, enough to be considered fluent.
+
+>Kovrig
+In the footage of him arriving back to Canada, coming off his plane, he was hugging some old roastie. He's upgraded since becoming a free, which is kinda interesting.
+
+>Spavor and Kovrig
+I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet. I've searched quite a bit for any interviews with either of them, and nothing has surfaced yet. Why wouldn't they want to tell the public about their experiences? Even just a short summary about what had happened would be very insightful
+--- 2428095
+>>2428074
+the said roastie
+--- 2428127
+>>2428074
+>I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet.
+it's also odd more people haven't mentioned this either
+--- 2428154
+>>2428028
+>yes 100%. and you will get a good salary and most likely your apartment paid for.
+Tell me more about this. Is there a hub for discussion on China expat/ESL/whatever
+
+I have a degree from the University of Chicago (BS in comp sci), if the Chinese care about name brands.
+
+I just saw some lucky ESL dork land a hot chinese wife in Chengdu and wouldn't mind doing that if the possibility were there. Trying to find out if I'm just a coomer or this is realistic
+--- 2428169
+>>2428095
+>>2428074
+>>2427560
+Both were spies.
+--- 2428268
+>>2428074
+>I find it really strange neither of them have written about their experiences in Chinese detention yet.
+They are probably under a gag order by their respective governments as a condition for their extradition efforts.
+Before their release, NK News had a detailed interview of somebody close to one of them describing the prison conditions and the circumstances of their arrest.
+--- 2428352
+>>2428154
+For teaching english they dont care where the degree is from. But with such a good school, if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO.
+
+Your chances of getting a hot Chinese wife are 100%. I am not memeing. Assuming you are white. That doesn’t mean it’s all smooth sailing and there aren’t ever issues with Chinese women, but that you will have your pick of tons of attractive women is a certainty.
+
+I am not an english teacher but can answer general China expat q’s if you have any
+--- 2428355
+>>2428169
+some japanese guy was just arrested for espionage
+--- 2428505
+>>2428268
+>They are probably under a gag order by their respective governments as a condition for their extradition efforts
+You think Canada told them to stay silent on the subject? For real? Why would the Canadian government want that?
+--- 2428507
+>>2428505
+It could have been a condition set by the Chinese for their release.
+It could be to prevent other Canadians from doing the same and expecting to be bailed out as well.
+It could be that they were glowies and keeping their mouths shut is just another part of work.
+It could be to protect other Canadian assets currently in China or allied countries.
+It could be to protect other people in China or Korea.
+
+There are many possibilities and unless they go public all we can do is speculate.
+--- 2428531
+>>2428352
+>For teaching english they dont care where the degree is from. But with such a good school, if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO.
+The unfortunate part is that my "real job" is draining mentally. I'm looking to ditch software engineering and focus on socializing, unless I can get a "talk about software" kind of role. Coding sucks
+
+>>2428352
+>Your chances of getting a hot Chinese wife are 100%. I am not memeing. Assuming you are white.
+That wild. 
+I'm white and grew up in suburban ohio, but my facial hair grows in quick, 5'7", and dark hair, dark eyes. Skin is white af tho and I've got nice eyes, and am worth $700k @ age 30.
+Browsing campuschina.org right now, as being a student could be chill. I certainly have the funds to be a student for a while.
+
+I also see that national taiwan university has english-only programs.
+
+Any programs you think would particularly useful for staying in the region longer term? Obviously language skills would be useful
+--- 2428538
+>>2428507
+
+Ridiculous. They don't talk about it, because there's nothing to talk about. They probably had 5-star accomodations and a happy ending massage every day.
+
+THe media's only going to report anything if they were tortured and had their kidneys removed.
+--- 2428565
+>>2428352
+>if you have 2+ years of work experience you should just get a ‘real’ job in China IMO
+As a software engineer, wouldn't it be difficult to get work, what with all the other candidates willing to get paid next to nothing? I don't think I'd offer anything a Chinese engineer couldn't. Same thing applies to Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Those places are probably even harder to find work, from what I can imagine.
+--- 2428568
+>>2428565
+>As a software engineer, wouldn't it be difficult to get work, what with all the other candidates willing to get paid next to nothing? I don't think I'd offer anything a Chinese engineer couldn't. Same thing applies to Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Those places are probably even harder to find work, from what I can imagine.
+I'm the UChicago CS anon. 
+
+While I do think a good American software engineer can offer many things a chinese dev couldn't, I don't think the employers value it properly. Hence, I think getting out of field or up into the higher level decision making would make sense.
+I've been telling myself I'm too stupid to get another job for a year or two now.
+
+t.230k/year remote SWE in Manila
+--- 2428593
+>>2428568
+Why would you want to switch jobs and move to China when you can live like royalty in Manilla?
+Why did you say coding sucks earlier?
+How long have you been in Manilla for?
+What's your favourite thing about PH?
+Would you ever trade a fraction of your saving for say, a year in China, or a year just traveling?
+
+t. 75k/yr swe with 6 figures saved, considering enjoying my youth and being a wizard programmer when I am older (office work is easier than exploring the world when you're over 60)
+--- 2428609
+>>2428531
+If you have money to blow and don't really intend to pursue serious studies, just need a visa, you can become a resident of China via schools that offer private language tutoring for $10-20k/year depending on city. I'm pretty sure these also exist in Taiwan. There are also plenty of real universities with English-based degree programs but I wouldn't bother with that if you're just doing it for the visa. Unless of course you don't mind/it's something you would have done anyway.
+
+If that's the case NTU > most all mainland options academics wise (except Peking/Qinghua). But again if it's just for the visa, there's options everywhere. Also if you are interested in Taiwan, check out the 'Taiwan Gold Card' program, you may qualify for a 3-5 year residence just based off your current/previous income, with no need for an inviting school/company.
+
+I personally went with the private tutoring for student visa/residence route during early covid period in Mainland as I could no longer do visa runs on my business visa (border shut). Anyway it's really up to you, job/school/neither... don't get a job as an English teacher or commit to a real degree program because you assume it's the only way to be allowed in-country long term... its not. Especially with covid-zero being over, I presume infinite visa runs are back on the menu, but I can't vouch for that personally as I don't need to do that anymore. If you don't urgently need income or you can work remotely, go for it.
+
+>>2428593
+I haven't been to Manila so I hesitate to knock it but usually the "live like a king" in 3rd world destination meme is quite overstated. First and second tier Chinese cities will be significantly nicer and still far less expensive than anywhere in the US. If he's 230k/yr remote then he will not feel any pressure from the cost increase in China but he'll definitely enjoy improved amenities/environment.
+--- 2428660
+>>2428609
+Has living in China been fulfilling to you? Is it better then where you were before going there? Did the 10k-20k private tutoring for 1 year make you super, super fluent and get you laid with the teacher, cus that's a ton of money if you mean USD...
+--- 2428673
+>>2428531
+>>2428609
+I'm a young undergrad myself (20), so I really like the student idea. Anyone know of any English universities in China that teach Chinese history? I would love to do something like that.
+--- 2428679
+>>2428673
+>>2428660
+>>2428531
+lookiing for grad programs btw
+--- 2428681
+>>2428660
+>has it been fulfilling
+I dont know how to answer that. It is infinitely better than living in the US as a 20 something young guy. I guess it would be very easy for it to be UNFULFILLING, though, and you need to be careful, because it can be life on easy mode and you can end up coasting and getting sucked into a totally stagnant lifestyle. Set a time limit on living there unless you are making serious money, or are engaged in something productive that actually requires you to physically remain in China. Getting married to a local DOES NOT COUNT as 'engaged in something productive'
+
+>Did the 10k-20k private tutoring for 1 year make you super, super fluent and get you laid with the teacher, cus that's a ton of money if you mean USD...
+Yes USD. It is expensive but basically the only route to residence (other than marriage) that doesn't impose serious burden on your freedom, the other two options being 1) having a job 2) being a real uni student whose attendance is carefully tracked. Private tutoring you set the schedule yourself (with some time minimums, think it's like 3-4 days a week two or three hours per day) and yes that does make you fluent unless you're retarded. The progress you can make with the combo of living there AND having a private tutor is amazing. And yeah most of them are young women you could easily fuck them if you want.
+--- 2428686
+>>2428681
+I'm kinda locked to America. Every 2 months I have to be here to receive my meds. I wouldn't trust receiving the same meds in China to say the least.
+How did you end up deciding to move there? It's such a huge decision. Especially if things are going ok for you in the west.
+--- 2428689
+>>2428686
+Just get a 10yr tourist visa to start then. 60 days per entry and you can do visa runs to infinity if you're enjoying yourself. Check out different cities then decide. Also unless your meds are something banned in China like Adderall, Chinese meds are fine.
+
+>How'd I decide to move
+Job offer as I was graduating high school and it was the God-sent excuse I needed not to go to college.
+--- 2428692
+>>2428689
+>Chinese meds are fine
+what about biologics what cost $750/month?
+
+do you ever get lonely there? like sure there are Chinese people and expats to chill with, but always being surrounded by other people who just don't get it seems like it would be exhausting after a while. Specifically the conmen, most of them being unaware of their surroundings, being shit and uncaring at their jobs. I dunno of it'd be possible to feel connected to others there. Have you felt this disconnect?
+--- 2428698
+>>2427980
+moving to china in august to teach in Shenzhen (international school, but same shit). you boys trying to start a group chat?
+--- 2428737
+>>2428698
+>moving to china in august to teach in Shenzhen (international school, but same shit). you boys trying to start a group chat?
+What's your background?
+If you post a discord I'll join>>2428609
+>There are also plenty of real universities with English-based degree programs but I wouldn't bother with that if you're just doing it for the visa.
+While having the visa is nice, I'd like to do a chill program at a legit university. Not a technical degree this time around for me
+
+I want a good campus life or something that replaces it in a fulfilling way 
+>>2428609
+>If that's the case NTU > most all mainland options academics wise (except Peking/Qinghua)
+Oh interesting. I didn't know the relative rank of NTU among the top 10% of mainland universities.
+I'd have to decide on if I'd prefer to base out of taiwan or the mainland to make that call there 
+
+>>2428593
+>Why would you want to switch jobs and move to China when you can live like royalty in Manilla?
+Purely for the potential to enter a relationship with more intelligent woman.
+Manila and philippines in general has been amazing and I'm able to handle living in a developing country, but 
+>>2428593
+>Why did you say coding sucks earlier?
+Maybe I can get into the details later; I've got a lot of thoughts ranging from the non-social nature of the career to having to work 
+>>2428593
+>How long have you been in Manilla for?
+Been in philippines 6 months so far. 
+>>2428593
+>What's your favourite thing about PH?
+Easy, condomless sex with a wide variety of girls
+street basketball
+chicken inasal
+low language barrier
+started surfing and it's pretty neat 
+>>2428593
+>Would you ever trade a fraction of your saving for say, a year in China, or a year just traveling?
+I'd easily do that. Yes.
+I'm a little golden handcuffed to my current remote role because it is an easy 230k/year and I'm just not sure I could find something like it again.
+--- 2428739
+>>2428609
+>I haven't been to Manila so I hesitate to knock it but usually the "live like a king" in 3rd world destination meme is quite overstated. First and second tier Chinese cities will be significantly nicer and still far less expensive than anywhere in the US. If he's 230k/yr remote then he will not feel any pressure from the cost increase in China but he'll definitely enjoy improved amenities/environment.
+This puts it pretty well. I don't necessarily need my women to be as easy as they are in PH or my cost of living be as low.
+While I can physcially deal with the conditions of life there, especially in a condo, I have options to find a happy medium
+--- 2428813
+>>2428507
+>It could be that they were glowies
+Oh my god, you really think so?
+--- 2428858
+>>2428507
+The fact that they were released within 12 hours of that the Huawei girl being released just confirms to me that they were glowies and that she was a political prisoner.
+--- 2428859
+>>2428531
+>I'm 5'7
+Dude you are going to be bullied mercilessly.
+--- 2428864
+>>2428859
+Come on man he knows, no need to remind him on here lmao
+--- 2428905
+>>2428692
+I have no idea what you mean by 'surrounded by people who just don't get it' or who the conmen unaware of their surroundings are... but loneliness is a pretty common complaint of expats in China, sure. More so in smaller cities with no foreigner community though
+--- 2428909
+>>2428905
+>Mfw I lived in a small city with practically zero foreigners
+I was just bored desu. There were no clubs and everyone knew everyone so girls were to afraid to date me as they didn't want to be the obvious talk of the town. Beautiful nature though .
+--- 2428910
+>>2428864
+He's going to be reminded about it everyday in China. Chinese girls are brutal to manlets, much more so than white girls.
+--- 2428928
+>>2428909
+kek yeah there is a sweet spot of small enough that you get max foreigner points with the girls but not so small that they are concerned about social backlash from being seen with you. In my experience the best spot was Changsha but anything thats bigger than "County level" city should work
+--- 2428951
+>>2428859
+>Dude you are going to be bullied mercilessly.
+Don't think I'm too worried about bullying at age 30. My parents gave me poor nutrition growing up and I don't control that
+--- 2428990
+>>2428698
+>>2428737
+
+I am >>2428609
+
+Here is a link to our dead Mandarin learning discord from /lang/, if you guys want to chat more about China expat life you can join and hit me up in there
+
+https://discord.gg/sHkdzWGw
+--- 2428994
+I want to go breed leftover women
+--- 2429014
+>>2428859
+>>2428951
+There is no escape for being a defective male (manlet). Even chinks will mog you. Death is the only release.
+--- 2429028
+>>2429014
+>There is no escape for being a defective male (manlet). Even chinks will mog you. Death is the only release.
+lol what kind of defeatist take is this?
+My body count is too high at this point (at 5'7"), so I'm just focused on wife material, comfy neighborhood/culture, etc 
+There's someone out there, even for pajeet manlets
+--- 2429034
+>>2428593
+>>2428609
+For me its the opposite. I could live in the Philippines, in spite of the country's problems. If I'm going to live outside of the US, it has to be in a country where rules are flexible, vice is not considered a big deal, life is laid back and beaches are nearby. China doesn't offer enough of that and I dislike the Chinese in general, I think they're materialistic (flips aren't much better but they're less uptight), selfish and high-strung. This includes Chinese-Americans in the US, I don't like working with them. Plus China has just as much pollution, social problems and backwardness as the Philippines, though you avoid a lot of that living in a "first tier" city, those places are expensive and dense, and I don't like Chinese 1st/2nd tier cities because everything is super dense and high-rise and I'm not into that.
+--- 2429041
+>>2427356
+Quick question: Are Uyghurs, Tibetanc etc considered "Chinese"?
+--- 2429045
+>>2429034
+Sounds like you know what you value.
+
+Flips are materialist; they just 97% of the time lack any material and are borderline retards in many cases, so don't expect much change there. Chinese do gaudy shit like camo wrapped lambos.
+
+>>2429034
+>everything is super dense and high-rise and I'm not into that
+Ya that would be gg for China/hong kong fantasies then. While I like motorcycle road trips out in nature, I do like a bit of a cyberpunk aesthetic. Asians do better cities than Americans unfortunately.
+
+In terms of vice, prostitutes and smoking cigs seems plentiful in China. I'm not sure anywhere does prozzies quite like the Chinese. Which vices are you hoping to engage in?
+
+Philippines has flexible rules, but its population thinks weed is roughly equivalent to doing bath salts.
+
+Overall, I do like the chinese emphasis on biz/finance/education, but it does get easily over emphasized.
+The 2-3 lowest empathy individuals I ever met were chinese.
+I ultimately think the girls look hot and some use their higher IQ to know how to pleasure a man, which is even hotter
+--- 2429055
+>>2427356
+>While Manchuria is a geographical area it was also a political unit
+You mean like a country? That was only during the Japanese occupation so the japs could steal resources
+--- 2429056
+I have no idea what the fuck a discord is. Am I boomer at 27?
+--- 2429079
+>>2429056
+>I have no idea what the fuck a discord is. Am I boomer at 27?
+I'm 30 and have used discord for years. You're simply under a rock, which is probably better than being a boomer
+--- 2429080
+>>2429056
+It just means you're not a loser/tranny
+
+>imagine using shitty tranny-infested software to talk to other losers who still play vidya as an adult
+
+absolutely degenerate
+--- 2429093
+>>2429055
+Yes and no, Manchukuo was specific to the Japanese occupation but the Manchus being a distinct and separate political structure/class was not
+--- 2429098
+>>2428994
+get in line buddy
+--- 2429100
+>>2429045
+>prozzies quite like the Chinese
+how does it differ from Thailand?
+--- 2429104
+>>2429100
+No open air meat markets
+--- 2429115
+>>2427632
+We know China is a dystopian shithole.
+But we can coom and eat bad for your body junk food chinese food every day so it's cool unironically. It's like a better version of Thailand because the girls are light skinned.
+--- 2429322
+>>2429100
+>how does it differ from Thailand?
+>>2429104
+>No open air meat markets
+Great combination of being very widespread, accepted within the culture, many of the girls with great technique, the value, the aesthetic of the girls, tightness/fitness and more.
+Having all that but being able to walk around my neighborhood without being tugged at by 3 ladyboys and a streetwalker is nice.
+--- 2429327
+>>2429322
+Chinese meat market: wild animals
+Thai meat market: hookers and trannies
+--- 2429734
+>>2422067
+top 5 chongqing hills to avoid having to walk up
+--- 2429736
+>>2429041
+yes, but looked down on like how americans look down on alabamans etc. uyghhurs who look very turkic and are in the east of china are just called Xinjiang ren, xinjiang people, are are treated with suspicion and derision, as they are largely involved in petty crime. 
+tibetans don't have this problem, but you rarely see them in the east of china.
+--- 2429757
+>>2422067
+Top 5 methods of procuring prostitutes. Apps, locations, pick up lines, brothels, friends, business meetings. Any permutations. Go.
+--- 2429889
+>>2421252 (OP)
+Will I be prescribed a fertile Chinese girlfriend once the visa is approved? If no, no deal
+--- 2429987
+>>2429736
+If you are talking about "ethnic Chinese", is this an umbrella term that inclused Uyghurs, Tibetans etc? Or only Han Chinese? What about Mongols in Inner Mongolia and independent Mongolia?
+--- 2430328
+>>2429889
+>Will I be prescribed a fertile Chinese girlfriend
+
+If you make youtube videos, yes. THey will assign you a hot girl to keep you happy. What's his face got a pretty good one, barnett or whateer, barret?
+--- 2430815
+>>2429987
+chinese are any people from the 50-odd ethnic groups of china. ethnic mongolians from inner mongolia are chinese, mongolians from mongolia the country are not chinese.
+--- 2430819
+>>2430815
+Isn't this confusing ethnicity and nationality?
+--- 2430957
+>>2429736
+>involved in petty crime
+
+How? Muslims don't commit crimes as the penalties are very severe. THey are known for their hospitality.
+--- 2431098
+Americans when they talk about China without ever visiting it
+>Uyghurs
+>Tianemen square
+>CCTV everywhere
+>Pollution
+>Winni dah poooo
+>You can't use Facebook!
+
+Everyone else when they visit China
+>Food, restaurants
+>Shopping centers, tourist sites
+>Local sightseeing and cultural centers
+>Hiking to mountains, temples, nature centers
+>Concert venues, art districts
+>Niche local spots that new Chinese friend takes you to
+>Interesting differences between regions
+
+Why it always be like this?
+--- 2431138
+>>2431098
+>le epic mindful and omniscient anon
+--- 2431145
+>>2431098
+This site is filled with feds, incels and Qtard boomers. Winnie the Pooh is all need to know that they are 6 years old mentally.
+--- 2431163
+>>2431098
+>*ACK*!!!
+--- 2431170
+>>2431163
+Oh no, a bunch of dying BLACKED countries are crying over their new rulers. Anyway...
+--- 2431173
+>>2431170
+>t. 100% pure han master race
+--- 2431177
+>>2431163
+>>2431170
+>>2431173
+QED >>2431145
+--- 2431187
+>>2431163
+What percent in that study have been to China?
+--- 2431233
+China number 4. How?
+
+What's your list of lovely least visited countries.
+--- 2431270
+>>2431233
+European countries are so overinflated.
+Europeans visiting another "country" 2 hours away and it counts as international tourism.
+--- 2432549
+>>2421252 (OP)
+congrats
+--- 2432823
+>>2429045
+the only vices you're allowed to have is drinking and adultry in the Philippines
+--- 2432844
+>>2431233
+Most likely spouses, chinks with foreign passports and chinks born in foreign countries who come to China to visit family on tourist visa instead of family. 
+
+I know a dude married to a chinese woman and he just comes to China with a tourist visa.
+--- 2434094
+>>2428568
+hey Chicago U anon, how's it going in the Philippines?
+>I've been telling myself I'm too stupid to get another job for a year or two now.
+What makes you say this?
+I've been thinking something similar, but only because ChatGPT can out-perform everyone in speed and quality. This is true at least for most generic programming tasks, which I think it the bulk of SWE work. I've also been unable to find another job that's comfy and high paying like my current job.
+
+>>2428698
+>I'm a little golden handcuffed to my current remote role because it is an easy 230k/year and I'm just not sure I could find something like it again.
+Do you need this again?
+
+>>2428990
+>sHkdzWGw
+I'm unable to join this server. I can make a different one for others interesting in going to live in China.
+
+>>2428609
+>you can become a resident of China via schools that offer private language tutoring for $10-20k/year depending on city
+What are some signs that a school is genuine, and isn't a fraud trying to make easy money? From certain popular vloggers circa 2013, many of these schools do under the table stuff, allowing you to stay in the country, but controlling your life because of it's illegitimate means of bringing you in to work.
+--- 2434155
+>>2434094
+https://discord.gg/mChWuwg59N
+
+Try again I think the link just expired
+Regarding the schools - I was talking about schools that issue you a student visa. What you/the vloggers are referring to are schools that get you a work permit, illegitimately at that (usually because you don't properly qualify), then use that fact against you once in country so you do whatever they want. That's not really possible if you're a student since there is no fake qualification, the only problem is if you skip all your classes (and I mean ALL of your classes), then they are supposed to report you and you could get deported
+--- 2436741
+bmp
+--- 2436963
+>>2427632
+It's like they're standing there waiting for it to happen. Was this staged?
+>>2427938
+Yes, if it's real
+--- 2437154
+Has anyone tried the 72 hour visa free transfer trick after covid?
+--- 2437493
+I am going to move to Chinar
+
+I am going to be an obnoxious hipster who spends more than half his pathetic TEFL salary on sharing an old hutong apartment in Shanghai so I can eat out at overpriced cafés and post the photos on my Instagram
+
+In short I’m going to Tim it up hard, and you can’t stop me
+--- 2437566
+>>2437493
+if you wanna work until 65, go right ahead
+--- 2437599
+>>2431098
+Ive been to China and I talk about the above
+--- 2437600
+Where do I get a qt gf to eat dog with?
+I want to go to that market where they skin the dogs alive.
+--- 2437639
+>>2428692
+>what about biologics what cost $750/month?
+Dude unless it's some cutting-edge medicine, you'll likely be able to find the generic version for pennies anywhere but the US. It's well known that our healthcare system is garbage.
+--- 2437647
+What's the cooming situation like in China?
+--- 2437745
+>>2437647
+Prostitution is largely reserved for locals. Good places are for the rich.
+Go to any nightclub and you'll be able to get Chinese women though. The zoomer generation is very open, they play "intimate drinking games" with strangers.
+--- 2437747
+>>2437493
+there is still space for CCJmaxxing, welcome anon
+--- 2438219
+>>2437600
+rent free
+--- 2438236
+>>2437647
+I'm 35 years old, average body but light blue eyes and a short, trimmed red beard. The face and beard situation was enough to get ridiculous amounts of positive attention everywhere.
+
+Chinese women approached me out in nightlife venues to talk to me and flirt with me in broken english. Getting laid was never more simple in my life. 
+
+These women were maybe 25-30, and what I would say are 7's in the west, but that's suits me just fine. Super hot chicks always come with bullshit, and these women chose me, so that means they are into the foreigner thing and will have a good time with me.
+
+I really like soft white chinese skin. Very similar to Japanese. They feel so fragile, but are more 'thicc' than japanese women so I could pound them out without worrying they were going to break. 
+
+I wasn't pulling or trying to pull any top tier teenage cuties. Those are mostly reserved for wealthy chinks, or trafficked into brothels. I did experience one suspiciously young lady grabbing me and trying to go with me at night, but since she looked about 13 I politely extracted myself from the situation and walked away.
+--- 2438238
+>>2438236
+Let me add I put almost zero effort into the cooming. I literally just showed up, ordered a drink, and smiled at women who walked by me. That was all. I did zero online/text message games.
+
+I speak zero chinese and won't learn it. I don't text in chinese or translate anything unless I need something. I don't even say 'ni hao'. 
+
+Literally as white and foreign as can be, and that seemed to be what a certain demographic were looking for. 
+
+This worked in a few different cities.
+--- 2438263
+>>2437745
+Prostitution is not reserved for locals whatsoever in the way that it is in Japan, ie, you are literally not allowed to partake on account of being a foreigner.
+
+If you can find it and have money, you're in. Language ability is helpful but not strictly necessary.
+
+>>2437493
+In Shanghai they are called Longtang, not hutong, anon : )
+--- 2438266
+any recommendation for a 3 week itinerary for a first time to China? 
+
+Considering starting my way in Beijing, heading to Xi'an with a few stops then doing the same to Shanghai to fly out, but don't want to be rushing too much.
+Just hate flying around when I'm exploring, prefer slowly making my way across the country overground, though aware the above might be a bit ambitious given the ground to cover. Maybe best to stick to a more compact route in the South-west.
+
+no interest in cooming because I grew up in a country with a large chink population that we look down on, and will be with my gf
+--- 2438281
+>>2427560
+I'm only in my 20s but I'm so jealous of men with gfs/wives like Kovrigs.
+>tan and overall very healthy appearance
+>speak and behave confidently
+>very fashionable
+At least now he can have some top quality cooms after a thousand days in prison
+--- 2438471
+Are there any good western food tubers in China? The Food Ranger is a huge faggot.
+--- 2438940
+>>2438266
+>hate flying around
+you can cover large distances with 5 hours on a train and if you start early or get a late train you can still have most of the day somewhere. i done chongqing to wuhan and it was half of the day, still had plenty of time to get out and see things when i arrived. 
+as a suggestion, Beijing, Shijiazhuang, Xi'an, Chengdu (4 hrs from xian), Chongqing, Wuhan (6hrs from cq), Nanjing (3hrs from wh), Suzhou, shanghai.
+suzhou is cool, old water town in the south of it is worth a look.
+--- 2438942
+>>2438236
+>They feel so fragile, but are more 'thicc' than japanese women
+fatty finder.
+--- 2438970
+>>2438471
+Jabiertzo
+--- 2438971
+>>2438266
+Have you considered overnight trains?
+--- 2438976
+>>2438970
+maybe if he spoke english. which website do you think you're on amigo? lol
+--- 2439021
+I don't know why anyone would want to visit China.
+Polluted, awful people, totalitarian.
+I have never heard a positive thing about it ever
+--- 2439538
+>>2438940
+thank you anon that is very helpful
+
+>>2438971
+yes but it's not the travel itself that bothers me, it's just going from city to city and missing everything in between

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+-----
+--- 2421566
+Travel webm thread
+--- 2421729
+>>2421566 (OP)
+Imagine how much sex she have to had
+--- 2421733
+>>2421566 (OP)
+>one boat ride
+>one blimp rode
+>one beach trip
+Repeat is incredible
+--- 2421780
+>>2421566 (OP)
+I hate women
+--- 2421796
+>>2421733
+Honestly this entire video could have just been three days in any tropical island resort. And then a day in Sydney and a day in Singapore. 
+For any random Australian this could have been a long weekend edited to appear more dramatic and more sentimental.
+--- 2421842
+why couldn't I have been born into a rich white family
+--- 2421846
+Imagine her parents' bank account after that.
+Imagine her butthole after that.
+--- 2421859
+"I'm black, how will people treat me in Asia?"
+--- 2421861
+"hay guiz how do i coom in other countries?"
+--- 2421863
+"Dude, if you're a white male, girls will love you in the Philippines"
+--- 2421876
+>>2421855
+this ugly nerd makes a million ricecels hero out with every video
+--- 2421877
+>>2421855
+I'm glad this guy is living his best life but these tiktoks are some of the cringiest shit I've ever seen. Does he have zero self awareness?
+--- 2421879
+>>2421877
+>Does he have zero self awareness?
+Most TikTokers don't. The only one that does is Scumbag Dad.
+--- 2421883
+> visiting the states
+--- 2421885
+>>2421880
+> plastic utensils into a deep fryer
+wtf
+--- 2421888
+>>2421885
+Ugh, I know, right? I've actually seen this quite a lot, actually. Not just cooking videos, but even in real life. A lot of people have surprisingly little sense for food safety.
+--- 2421903
+oy bruv, u got a loicense for dat molotov?
+--- 2421911
+Paris. City of lights.
+--- 2422082
+>>2421855
+Good for this guy
+--- 2422091
+>>2421859
+>>2422080
+>Muh racism 
+God are you mutts insufferable. She's clearly surprised. Is being surprised racist now?
+--- 2422127
+>>2421877
+
+Are you dense? He clearly has selfawareness. Half their tiktoks are about her being disgusted by him and being in it for the Visa.
+--- 2422241
+>>2421858
+Lol is this supposed to be done indictment on the quality of paris? Because rats exist in a city? Not even in a nice part of a city, just in the city at all. 
+
+Go back to your gay little bubble in the suburbs.
+--- 2422306
+>>2421566 (OP)
+So she went from being a loved wholesome all American small town girl to a hoe in the third world.
+--- 2422308
+>>2421858
+shameful and sad to see in what was once the best city in the world
+--- 2422310
+>>2421903
+liberals are murderers
+--- 2422411
+>>2421885
+Deep friers fry at like 400 degrees. There are plenty of plastics that don't melt until much hotter temperatures.
+--- 2422418
+>>2421566 (OP)
+Who the fuck paid for all of that?
+--- 2422419
+>>2422418
+men
+--- 2422423
+>>2421906
+Holy shit
+--- 2422440
+>>2421566 (OP)
+She has seen miles and miles. Of dick.
+--- 2422453
+>>2421566 (OP)
+>makes vid about traveling the world
+> nothing but this ugly bitches face the entire vid 
+
+Why are whores like this?
+--- 2422454
+>>2421566 (OP)
+>A year of Traveling
+>Here are some pictures you can take with two days in Australia
+What did she do with the other 363 days?
+--- 2422607
+>>2422308
+Cool old chinese tourist take, paris was always dirty , if anything its cleaner now than it has ever been
+--- 2422614
+>>2421903
+roast pig. yum
+--- 2422625
+>>2422622
+The new Mount & Blade looks so realistic
+--- 2422628
+>>2421909
+Where is that? Philly?
+--- 2422636
+>>2422622
+>be in 1 ton+ metal box that can easily reverse and be on the offensive
+>do nothing and just wait til the nig swings 20x and breaks the window
+Woman driver?
+--- 2422637
+>>2422628
+Los Angeles.
+--- 2422640
+>>2421566 (OP)
+What did she mean by this?
+--- 2422657
+>>2421903
+>the absolute lack of urgency from the cop
+
+"Oi don't stamp out the fire, 'es a cunt"
+--- 2422697
+>>2421909
+WoW they have buildings in africa now
+Nice
+--- 2422701
+>>2421855
+good lord I feel for the kids...or pets
+--- 2422704
+>>2422127
+>Half their tiktoks are about her being disgusted by him and being in it for the Visa.
+What is it about tik tok that makes people abandon all sense of dignity?
+
+>>2422306
+>So she went from being a loved wholesome all American small town girl
+She was already a ho
+
+>>2422418
+Her cuck dad
+--- 2423597
+>>2421911
+what is that queue? It leads up to the eiffel tower?
+--- 2423598
+>>2423597
+that's the line to get on the subway
+--- 2423602
+>>2421861
+Kek his rear tire is completely flat
+--- 2423703
+>>2421861
+kek holy shit what is this from?
+--- 2423752
+>>2421885
+nigger thats silicone
+--- 2423818
+>>2422636
+Looks like some brown person. 
+Poojeets are worse than woman drivers.
+--- 2423823
+>>2421566 (OP)
+>tee hee look at me being attractive in different surroundings
+I hate women so fucking much. she probably spent the whole time speaking english too
+
+now she's going to go home and tell everyone what an "incredible experience" she had
+
+fuck. what a stupid bitch
+--- 2423824
+>>2421855
+My dream
+--- 2423825
+I'm pretty sure that beach is on nusa penida, it's jammed full of people duckfacing for instagram and tiktokers.
+--- 2424060
+>>2421842
+You would still have been a short male, being white is meaningless
+--- 2424069
+>>2421855
+imagine feeling her penis press against your tummy when she jump hugs you
+--- 2424071
+>>2422308
+the amount of rats in paris is probably not significantly changed
+--- 2424130
+>>2423752
+You beat me to it 
+this kids never heard of sili con carne
+--- 2424140
+unfortunately many of my travel webms have sound
+--- 2424146
+>>2424142
+yeah that's a fuck no from me
+--- 2424148
+>>2424146
+--- 2424150
+>>2424146
+Basement dweller detected. Are you even a Real Traveler if you didn't perish in a heliskiing accident?
+--- 2424222
+>>2424138
+This is basically a central asian dumpling dish I forgot the name of but they cook it by sticking them to an oven
+--- 2424229
+>>2421566 (OP)
+just another roastie riding the cock carousel ... do basement NEETs get off of webms like these or what else is the point
+--- 2424395
+>>2424140
+fake
+--- 2424412
+>>2424138
+Why is trans Jerry Seinfeld stealing cheese from that poor girl?
+--- 2424500
+>>2421877
+poorfag who has never been skiing in his miserable mediterranean life. is this supposed to be a normal ski experience?
+--- 2424503
+>>2422453
+>>makes vid about traveling the world
+>> nothing but this ugly bitches face the entire vid
+>Why is bald and bankrupt like this?
+
+fixed.
+--- 2424514
+>techno party last night in el salvador
+>fucking wasted
+>couple of model looking 20 year old fellow american chicks start trying to chat me up while i'm at the bar trying to get wifi to get an uber home
+>for some reason they think i'm 15 years younger than i am
+>ask what year in college i am 
+>tell them i'm a boomer
+>girl asks my name and i tell her
+>she tells me hers
+>"didn't ask dude"
+>"w-what?"
+>"i didn't ask lol"
+>they rope me into dancing with them but i just irish goodbye and go back to the hotel and puke in the shower
+>diarrhea today
+Love traveling
+--- 2424542
+>>2424514
+Swing by Metrocentro bro I got a present for you
+--- 2424545
+>>2424542
+W-what is it?
+--- 2424547
+>>2424545
+;)
+--- 2424551
+>>2424547
+You seriously here bro? Have you been to honduras or nicaragua? Trying to figure out if it's worth going
+--- 2424557
+>>2424551
+Yes unironically am here but going back home tomorrow. I've been staying in Colonia San Benito for the past month. Haven't been to either country tho, sorry bro.
+--- 2424559
+>>2424557
+Haha i'm in san benito too. Really liking el salvador desu. I went to santa ana and then here. Hard to believe this was one of the most dangerous places on the planet until recently. San benito reminds me of polanco in mexico city a little bit. Were you at that techno thing? Fucking struck out hard with those girls despite their best efforts because i was way too drunk lol. The hispanic looking one was wife tier :/
+--- 2424566
+>>2424559
+Did you happen to do the hike up the Santa Ana volcano? Man I loved it, but my body didn't lmao. Wasn't at the techno thing though, honestly didn't even know about it lol. 
+
+El Salvador is still definitely still dangerous around some parts but I did my research and found, like you, that San Benito is one of the better parts to stay in as far as San Salvador goes. Bro let me tell you when I used Google Maps on a road trip to some waterfall, this shit sent me through basedapango. This is where those horror stories come from and my asshole was the tightest it had ever been. Thankfully it was broad daylight but you could immediately tell which alleyways were the ones you die in.
+
+Overall I enjoyed my time but probably wouldn't come back for maybe a decade+. Had a better time in Guatemala tbqh
+--- 2424568
+>>2424566
+omfg söyapango. Fuck this word filter, catches it every time
+--- 2424582
+>>2421855
+>>2421876
+>>2421877
+>>2421879
+>>2422127
+Whats their tiktok?
+--- 2424586
+>>2424566
+Nah i'm not a big hiker haha. I heard the volcano is amazing though and that lake too. I'm more into cultural shit, though, so i've done a lot of churches and mayan ruins and stuff on this trip. More in guatemala though. Yeah i've heard about sóyapango lol. Fuck that. Even santa ana looks ghetto as fuck in some spots like around the central market (even if it's not). 
+
+I agree, guatemala seems more developed tourism-wise, especially antigua. Flores was kind of shitty though when i went for Tikal. The people in ES are so fucking friendly though. Can't say i'll be back any time soon either but i've really had fun. Plus the pupusas mang. 
+
+Are you driving? You're nuts. I'm taking the first class buses everywhere
+--- 2424592
+>>2421858
+Remember how they made a whole ass movei about thise, what was is callend rattasomething lmao
+--- 2424595
+>>2424592
+It was a very weird movie.
+--- 2424600
+>>2424586
+That's what's up man, I'm all about culture immersion while trying to bang some sloots. Props to you for trying tho lol, I went completely dry this whole month. The food here in general was amazing man, I will say that was one of my highlights. Pupusas of course, horchata, empanadas, budin, tamales, just a ton of shit that I'm going to miss.
+
+Yeah dude I ended up renting a car from some dude who works at the hotel I'm at, not from a rental agency which is what I should have done. It was cheaper but it wasn't worth the cost savings since I had this fucking thing die on me TWICE and had to resort to getting it jumped by whoever felt like being kind lol. I will say driving here made me upgrade my defensive driving skills because good fucking god, you would think cars were introduced to the country just yesterday. Honestly smart move on using buses, I should have done that. Driving wasn't worth the stress lol
+--- 2424611
+>>2424600
+Lol i wasn't even trying, which is the funny part. I just wanted to go home and they kept hounding me until they realized i was actually drunk as fuck and not trying to be funny haha.
+
+Yeah man i've seen some crazy shit on the roads here just walking/being on the bus (accidents, saw some pedestrian get hit by a truck heh..) plus i'd be freaked out about carjackings and shit like that. It seems like an adventure doing the road trip though. The freedom to go wherever you want, stop whenever you want, etc. Would be cool. You're going back to the states though? Or are you going to do more of CA?
+--- 2424643
+never again
+--- 2424652
+>>2424138
+god damn that is one frighteningly ugly looking bitch
+--- 2424655
+>>2424140
+Scared me lol
+--- 2424669
+>>2424611
+Yeah man I'm going back to the states for a bit. Have travels to SEA later this year so I'm going to stay stateside for a bit and relax. What about you bro? Seems like you're staying around those parts with that Nicaragua or Honduras question earlier
+--- 2424670
+>>2424655
+it was fake
+--- 2424675
+>>2424069
+Underrated
+--- 2424704
+>>2424669
+I'm on my way down to argentina on the bus. Gonna be a long trip
+--- 2424706
+>>2424643
+Wtf is this real?
+--- 2424724
+>>2424706
+Restored footage from the late 1800s.
+--- 2424725
+>>2424704
+On the bus my nigga? You know about the Darien gap right? There aren't any more ferries across it. You're gonna have to fly. NTA btw
+--- 2424727
+>>2424724
+Pretty sick. Kwab virgin cyclist though lol
+--- 2424728
+>>2424725
+Yeah you can take a ferry for like a few hundred bucks. I can afford it. Hate those goddamn deathtubes man
+--- 2424794
+>>2421911
+j'taime
+--- 2424796
+>>2424793
+why are niggers like this
+--- 2424799
+>>2424796
+Many of them grew up in single mother households.
+--- 2425427
+>>2421903
+>>2422657
+This is from Ireland
+--- 2425429
+>>2424793
+should have just kept going
+--- 2425444
+>>2421566 (OP)
+It really annoys me that women don't "travel" in the traditional sense, they just take loads of Instagram pics in a bikini with daddy's money and pretend they have "wanderlust".
+--- 2425480
+>>2421566 (OP)
+>entire year of travelling expenses wasted on beach boat booze
+Love from Kazakhstan
+--- 2425560
+>>2425480
+not everyone has the same limitations that you do
+--- 2425621
+>>2424503
+Your vid sucked. Get out of the shot slut.
+--- 2425636
+>>2424796
+Purely socioeconomic factors
+--- 2425674
+>>2424796
+--- 2425675
+>>2424503
+Pretty much applies to all these narcissistic influenzas.
+--- 2425725
+>>2424149
+USA
+--- 2425782
+>>2425636
+I know this post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I can actually see some validity to that statement.
+
+Poor people are by definition bad with money. If you're bad with money, you're not particularly smart. If you're not particularly smart, you end up doing dumb things. I see the connection.
+--- 2426755
+>>2421566 (OP)
+i fucked this girl btw
+--- 2427161
+>>2421855
+Kek the sexpats on this board utterly and ruthlessly exposed
+--- 2427252
+>>2425427
+It says police on it not gardai, mutt
+--- 2427471
+>>2425427
+same thing
+--- 2427604
+>>2421858
+God I hate Roma
+--- 2427672
+>>2421842
+just cause your family is rich and white does not mean they will pay for you to fuck off and travel the world for a year
+--- 2427673
+>>2424500
+Not in the slightest. That's an absolute clusterfuck.
+--- 2428228
+>>2421904
+I think I know that girl
+--- 2428231
+>>2421855
+Chinese anon here.
+That girl is as ugly as he is, only a desperate gweilo would fuck that rice farmer
+--- 2428235
+>>2421855
+The fact that you niggers don't know she took him for a green card and is fucking other guys while he gets nothing. Notice that she barely ever kisses him properly in these videos.
+--- 2428238
+>>2421842
+The girl in the OP has been getting spit roasted by multitudes of well off usually older guys that pay for her to do all that shit. There’s literally only 2 endings to the story of a young sheltered girl going off to “see the world” with no plan. She either becomes the worlds cum dumpster or she goes home in tears. Well actually to be fair some of them find an actual husband along the way. But mostly one of the first 2 options. Oh and the cum dumpster option has tears too, they just aren’t home crying they are on a boat getting pooped on by a guy named mufassa crying.
+--- 2428263
+I wish you incels would
+Fuck off and die
+--- 2429606
+>>2421842
+She's not rich, she's probably just middle class. This is a typical thing that middle class roasties from Europe and Australia do. Travel for a year, party, drink, take drugs, have some bullshit 'cultural' experiences, fuck some guys, take lots of selfies so they can feed their narcissism on social media.
+--- 2429613
+>>2422454
+Get railed rawdog in hostels by exotic men
+--- 2429631
+>>2424148
+I thought I killed this thing in Crookback Bog.
+--- 2430967
+>>2429631
+Based orphan killer
+--- 2432532
+>>2421566 (OP)
+yeah she's a hoot
+--- 2433861
+>>2427252
+It's a scene from Line of Duty, which is set in Northern Ireland. So he's actually right.
+--- 2433864
+>>2421796
+This. I recognize almost every single spot. It’s just the most basic areas in Australia, Thailand Indonesia and Turkey if I’m not mistaken. Could have been done in less than 2 months.
+--- 2433882
+>>2421855
+I KNEEL
+--- 2433884
+>>2424142
+NOPE
+--- 2433893
+>>2424500
+My *guess* is that there was a deep layer of power snow (snow from below -20 or so celcius, which doesn't bunch together at all, so skiing it is like being in a weightless powder to your waist, sensation of floating, and it makes it possible to aim directly down the hill without overaccelerating) deposited overnight, and then when the ski run opened everyone was waiting at the top of the run and all raced to get some of the fresh powder (as soon as it has been skied on, it compresses into something closer to coarse ice). You can see that the snow has almost no tracks in it to start with. My further guess is that the ski lift was built in the rockiest part of the slope, so the run may usually be off limits, and certainly very difficult in normal circumstances, but with the coating of powder it instead becomes a fun weave through rock embankments. I've personally skied almost vertically downhill over rocks under a chairlift just after a lift opened for the day.
+--- 2433953
+>>2421566 (OP)
+Webm leaves out the multiple trains ran on her in hostels by aussie chads and the amount of open sores she now has on her genitals
+--- 2434003
+>>2433864
+>and Turkey if I’m not mistaken
+Yeah, that's Cappadocia for sure.
+Also Marina Bay in Singapore.
+--- 2434011
+>>2425782
+No one on 4chan will admit this because it shatters their whole jaded worldview
+--- 2434126
+>>2425444
+Based boomer
+--- 2434231
+>>2421906
+Always eat vegetarian while in a foreign country. Problem solved
+--- 2434342
+>>2421566 (OP)
+--- 2434358
+>>2434342
+Not that Jeets aren't subhuman, but this is a reality show for fuck's sake. There's a camera crew tagging along with the dyed blondes, no wonder the whole village came out to see.
+--- 2434366
+>>2434342
+>>2434358
+good evening ma'ams :)
+all the best for lovely night
+--- 2434581
+>>2434342
+Look at those stuck up old ladies pretending they don't love the attention
+--- 2434587
+>>2434581
+They're not californians or muricans so they probably dont like/used to seek attention.
+--- 2434608
+>>2434342
+They should make a /trv/ specific banner using a screengrab from this
+--- 2434665
+>>2428231
+100% sure shes a filipino or an indonesian
+--- 2434697
+>>2421566 (OP)
+This web.m pisses me off so much. Dumb cunt acts like she's shipping out to Iraq after graduating high school when she's just headed to Australia to drink and party for a year
+--- 2435671
+>>2434342
+I have no clue how white women can go to India alone. How are they not terrified.
+--- 2435697
+>>2435671
+>implying pajeet peen does anything for their cavernous cunts
+--- 2436738
+>>2424643
+>this is what they took from you
+despite syphyllis the 19th century seems really comfy
+--- 2436739
+>>2421855
+I feel less bad about taking the latinapill after this
+--- 2437748
+>>2421566 (OP)
+Massive woman moment
+--- 2439665
+>>2421566 (OP)
+glorious

trv/2421998.txt

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+-----
+--- 2421998
+i booked a flight for three weeks in Uzbekistan in the fall, flying in and out of Tashkent. I want to see as much as possible as I'm probably going to go once. I'm going to travel by train when necessary, especially through Samarkand, Bukhara, and Khiva, as well as out to Nukus and the Aral Sea (or what's left of it anyway).
+
+What are the best cities to see in the Fergana Valley? Is it worth hopping over to Osh? I know I'll have to get a multientry visa if I do.
+
+Is there anything worth going into Southern Uzbekistan for past Shakrishabz, like Termez or Qarshi?
+
+Anything else I should know or watch out for there? My vague feeling is that there is going to be a lot less touts than Morocco, but on the flip side a lot less tourist friendly..
+--- 2422013
+>>2421998 (OP)
+What date are you flying in and how much were flights?
+ I want to do a central Asia trip at years end.
+
+I've heard that basic Russian is very helpful there. 
+So perhaps brush up on that while you can.
+I saw an anon on /int/ was there just last week, you could try asking there as well
+--- 2422096
+>>2421998 (OP)
+>Is there anything worth going into Southern Uzbekistan for past Shakrishabz, like Termez or Qarshi?
+Shakrishabz is a depressing shithole don't go there unless you're doing something else in the region.
+However, the drive to Shakrishabz from Samarkand is very nice, make sure you have your own car/taxi so you can stop on the pass for tandoor chicken.
+Going South is recommended if you have time, i.e. more than two weeks.
+
+>Is it worth hopping over to Osh? I know I'll have to get a multientry visa if I do.
+It's worth staying for a night if you don't have visa hassles, both countries are visa-free for me so I don't know if a multi-entry visa is more complicated than a simple e-visa.
+If you end up going to Kyrgyzstan you can also consider a night at Arslanbob for something different.
+
+>What are the best cities to see in the Fergana Valley?
+You'll likely end up seeing Andijan, especially if you're planning to visit Osh.
+Kokand is the most interesting town in the Uzbek part of the valley but you can take taxis and marshrutkas to Fergana/Margilan/Rishton.
+If the visa situation allows it, you can return back to Tashkent via Khujand in Tajikistan.
+--- 2422107
+>Nukus and Aral Sea
+Try to see if you can catch the flight between Nukus (NCU) and Moynaq (MOK).
+It's once a week and costs 5 dollars and it'll save you the 4 hour ride on a city bus with limited seats, i.e. you'll have to stand if you're not early enough.
+Either go there for a day trip, flying in and taking the bus out or stay overnight on the former Aral Sea with a tour.
+The town of Moynaq can be seen within two or three hours of walking, that includes visiting both museums.
+
+>Nukus
+Visit the State Museum, plan enough time.
+The bazar is worth a visit, as well as the Mizdakhan necropolis a couple kilometres West, near the Turkmen border.
+People including taxi drivers don't know it, so it's worth having them wait at the entrance (42.4038 59.3865) for an hour.
+Try the cakes at Cake Bumer next to the State Museum for a very different perspective of Karakalpakstan.
+
+Anyway, I'll check this thread for replies every now and then, so ask away!
+--- 2422514
+>>2422096
+
+Thanks.
+>Shakrishabz is a depressing shithole don't go there unless you're doing something else in the region. However, the drive to Shakrishabz from Samarkand is very nice, make sure you have your own car/taxi so you can stop on the pass for tandoor chicken. Going South is recommended if you have time, i.e. more than two weeks.
+I heard Shakrishabz could be done as a day trip from Samarkand. I should see both Termez and Qarshi. i thought about dropping it since its off the main train lines. What's out there that's cool aside from looking across the river at Afghanistan?
+
+>It's worth staying for a night if you don't have visa hassles, both countries are visa-free for me so I don't know if a multi-entry visa is more complicated than a simple e-visa. If you end up going to Kyrgyzstan you can also consider a night at Arslanbob for something different.
+I have to get an e-visa for Uzbekistan. I think it'll cost me an extra 20 USD for multi entry. Kyrgyzstan is visa free. If I go back to the region, I thought about doing something like Kazakhstan/Krygzstan some day, but that's for another thread.
+
+>You'll likely end up seeing Andijan, especially if you're planning to visit Osh. Kokand is the most interesting town in the Uzbek part of the valley but you can take taxis and marshrutkas to Fergana/Margilan/Rishton. If the visa situation allows it, you can return back to Tashkent via Khujand in Tajikistan.
+I thought about Namagan, though that's off the train line. Andijan I'd probably do even without Osh just to go through most of the valley. I'll look into Kokand.
+--- 2422528
+>>2422107
+>Try to see if you can catch the flight between Nukus (NCU) and Moynaq (MOK).
+It's once a week and costs 5 dollars and it'll save you the 4 hour ride on a city bus with limited seats, i.e. you'll have to stand if you're not early enough. Either go there for a day trip, flying in and taking the bus out or stay overnight on the former Aral Sea with a tour. The town of Moynaq can be seen within two or three hours of walking, that includes visiting both museums.
+ 
+$5 for a flight? I wouldn't expect that anywhere. I'm guessing I don't have to take my shoes off first for that one. I did consider the group tour even though it'll be more expensive just because its easier. I'm expecting Uzbekistan to be a bit harder to get around than say Morocco, Mexico, or SEA.
+
+>Visit the State Museum, plan enough time.
+The bazar is worth a visit, as well as the Mizdakhan necropolis a couple kilometres West, near the Turkmen border.
+People including taxi drivers don't know it, so it's worth having them wait at the entrance (42.4038 59.3865) for an hour.
+Try the cakes at Cake Bumer next to the State Museum for a very different perspective of Karakalpakstan.
+
+Sounds like I'd have to stay a bit longer in Karakalpakstan to see everything than I was expecting. I always worry about spending too much time in too few places or vice versa.
+--- 2422552
+Termez has a daily overnight train to Samarkand/Tashkent, 4 times a week even to Andijan, similar situation for Qarshi
+Definitely worth going if you have enough time, you'll get to see another aspect of Uzbekistan that is seen less than the Big Three of Samarkand/Bukhara/Khiva.
+
+>I'm guessing I don't have to take my shoes off first for that one.
+It's a full-fledged Uzbekistan Airlines flight, you even get a drink before take-off.
+For a dollar more you can check 20kg of luggage.
+The flight is an experience on its own.
+>I did consider the group tour even though it'll be more expensive just because its easier.
+If you want to stay overnight then I'd recommend a guided tour because camping somewhere in the former Aral Sea will definitely more impressive than staying in whatever guest house in Moynaq.
+
+>I'm expecting Uzbekistan to be a bit harder to get around than say Morocco, Mexico, or SEA.
+I found it surprisingly easy if you speak some basic Russian and know some very basic pleasantries in Uzbek, but I'm biased since I have lived and worked in the region for some time.
+Definitely fewer touts than more popular tourist destinations but you shouldn't blindly trust people anyway, always make sure you know the approximate prices of goods and services, look at travel guides and Caravanistan or ask random locals for help.
+--- 2422663
+>>2422552
+Thanks for the information. What was your work there?
+--- 2422868
+Can you even sleep on those really? I'm guessing like its the train I took in Vietnam which was slow and clunky. I know the fast trains will be great. But I'm worried about being miserable on a train for 9 hours or so.
+--- 2422872
+>>2422868
+They're like Russian trains, in platzkart (3rd class) you're on a berth in an open space, in kupe (2nd class) you're in a closed compartment with 4 beds.
+If you're concerned about not being able to sleep because of your neighbors you can bribe the conductors to arrange a private compartment for you.
+The fast trains aren't that fast and the slow trains aren't that slow.
+>>2422868
+Business developmnent in Almaty and Bishkek.
+--- 2423583
+How's the cooming in Uzbekistan?
+--- 2424852
+>>2421998 (OP)
+Do you speak any Russian OP? It'll be a more common second language than English
+--- 2424898
+>>2424852
+>It'll be a more common second language than English
+To say that Russian is "more common" than English is an understatement.
+--- 2425872
+>>2424852
+No, admittedly I'm trying to travel somewhere a bit harder than what I've been used to. I think I can fit all the cities if I spent a full day in cities in between traveling everywhere. Maybe an extra day in Samarqand. This will probably be my one time in Uzbekistan so i want to make it count.
+--- 2425899
+I'd be interested in you posting a trip report when you get back OP, I'm considering going to central Asia in maybe two or three years, depending on my current travel plans.
+--- 2425901
+>>2422096
+>make sure you have your own car/taxi
+What's car rental like in the region? I'm a competent driver but don't know anything about local driving conditions.
+--- 2425902
+>>>2366410
+Check it on the archives.
+--- 2425960
+>>2425901
+If you're moving between cities I recommend you to look into shared taxis.
+If you are going for day trips I recommend you to hire a car with a driver, it's not much more expensive than a rental car and you don't have to deal with traffic and traffic police trying to hassle you.
+The usual rental chains aren't present, so you'll have to rely on smaller companies and individuals, Caravanistan has a list of them and their forum has some more plus reviews.
+--- 2425971
+>>2425960
+That's what I thought. Are the drivers closer to uber/grab drivers or is it basically glorified hitch hiking in a car falling apart with a driver who will get distracted and take you off road by accident?
+--- 2425980
+>>2425971
+Depends on the driver.
+Most shared taxis are at a solid second world standard, i.e. used cars from all over Europe and East Asia.
+If you're going for a dedicated driver then you have the whole range from Soviet era Lada to last year's Lexus.
+--- 2425981
+>>2425971
+Street traffic is the biggest risk to tourists in the area anyway, similar to SEA and South America.
+In bigger cities you can also use Yandex Taxi to hitch a ride, lower risk of being ripped off and you may be able to pick a price/comfort level.
+--- 2426895
+>>2425981
+Drivers are really as bad as Vietnam?
+--- 2429163
+>>2425902
+Alright then
+--- 2430980
+>>2426895
+Less traffic density in cities but higher risk overland.
+--- 2431952
+>>2421998 (OP)
+
+Hey OP! I'm western and I've been traveling in Central Asia now for over a month. Spent 3 weeks in Kyrgyzstan, 1 week in Uzbekistan, 3 days in Tajikistan and now I've just arrived in Almaty.
+
+I traveled everywhere by train. You can buy it online and it is very easy, the site is in English.
+
+>Samarkand, Bukhara and Khiva
+
+KINO, get a train and head over them. The uzbek architecture is awesome.
+
+>Fergana Valley
+
+I came into Uzbekistan through Osh and there's nothing worth of your time in Fergana. Andijan is a shit hole, I had to wait for my train there for like 6 hours.
+
+> Tashkent
+
+Really nice capital. 4-5 days should be more than enough. They have a good metro that costs 1400 sum. The park of the Museum of Victims of Repressions is my favourite place in Tashkent.
+
+>OSH
+
+I left Osh at 8 in the morning and got to Tashkent at 11pm. So you're going to lose 2 days to get back and forth and I dont think Osh is very worth it. Although Salomon Mountain is very nice.
+
+>Speaking russian
+
+I spent 3 week learning Russian in Kyrgyztan and it helped A LOT. Most people didn't speak English and my very basic russian was enough to allow me to order at restaurants in russian and buy tickets at the train station. I recommend PIMSLEUR method to learn it quickly for free (on Youtube)
+
+>Tajikistan
+
+I would definitely recommend you getting an e-visa and visiting Dushanbe. It is the most beautiful city of Central Asia in my opinion. There's a train from Tashkent to Dushanbe every tuesday. Absolutely worth it.
+
+>Money and cards
+
+Most hotels I stayed didnt accept cards and were only cash payment. All of them accepted dolars (if you're using Booking). You will need cash pretty much everywhere but ATMs are plenty.
+
+Im still in Central Asia so feel free to AMA. Pic related: me in Samarkand train station 3 days ago
+--- 2431989
+>>2431952
+>The uzbek architecture is awesome
+Why are Americans so uneducated.
+--- 2432102
+>>2431952
+Delete your post and reformat the faggot out of it, you reddit tourist.
+--- 2432264
+>>2432102
+
+Bruh, do I look 14 to you? I dont give a shit about formatting, Reddit vs 4chan or whatever XD
+
+While you're triggered, Im traveling around the world :D
+--- 2432274
+>>2432264
+you definitely type like you're 14. the reason reddit spacing is discouraged is it's really hard to read, so people will just give up halfway through
+--- 2432310
+>>2431952
+>> Tashkent
+>Really nice capital. 4-5 days should be more than enough. They have a good metro that costs 1400 sum. The park of the Museum of Victims of Repressions is my favourite place in Tashkent.
+Can you say what you like about it and why you consider it worthy of 4-5 days? Literally every other time I've seen the city mentioned it has been to say how much of an industrial shithole it is, with zero touristic merits.
+--- 2432321
+>>2431952
+Thanks for the input
+I have 4 weeks in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan
+Are there any cities in Kyrgyzstan worth staying a night? I land in Bishkek and think whether I should:
+ leave to karakul as soon as possible or 
+should I stay in Bishkek two nights and see the city in the evenings and have a nearby day trip
+--- 2432371
+>>2432321
+Bishkek is boring to visit and nice to live in.
+If you're interested in post-Soviet cities and/or bazars then you should stay a night or two, also if you want to see Ala-Archa national park.
+It's also worth staying a night if you're a couple weeks into your trip because it has the biggest selection of foreign restaurants second only to Almaty, again you can combine that with some day trips in the Chuy region (Alamudin, Ala Archa, Tokmok, etc.)
+Karakol is worth staying a night if you haven't stayed somewhere nearby.
+Osh is certainy worth staying a night even if only to rest between Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.
+--- 2432383
+Fergana valley doesn't have a lot I found enjoyable honestly. But I am going to oush back on the anti-Osh brigade. It's a fine town with a huge bazaar but most importantly is a great point to access trailheads and valleys in the Altay mountains.
+--- 2432404
+>>2432310
+I wouldn't spend 5 days but if you're flying in an out of there you can easily spend 4 days there, especially if you're open to day trips in the area.
+You could even squeeze in an overnight trip to Khujand in Tajikistan if it doesn't cause you visa trouble.
+--- 2432456
+>>2432371
+Thanks, so I will probably skip Bishkek as Ala archa Park looks inferior to other places in Kyrgyzstan
+How did you get from osh to Samarkand? The train trip from andijan to samarkand takes 12 hours by the Kyrgyzstan rail site, and the travel times are not even at night (eg 08-20)
+The fast train tickets run out fast so I need to plan ahead how long I should be in each Uzbekistan city, are two nights good for samarkand, bukhara and khiva each? The dried sea looks boring so I won't be in nukus
+--- 2432466
+>>2431989
+Э бля yдaли нaхyй зapeжy бля нaхyй!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+--- 2432477
+>>2432456
+Ala Archa is pretty nice but it really depends on what else you're going to see in Kyrgyzstan.
+>How did you get from osh to Samarkand? 
+Osh to Andijan is easy, either by shared taxi or by marshrutka/bus.
+Andijan to Samarkand has 6 different connections, most of them during the day.
+Why don't you head to Khiva or Bukhara first from Andijan and then track back to Samarkand? That way you can take advantage of overnight connections while still seeing some of the Fergana valley from the train.
+>How long I should be in each Uzbekistan city?
+Two nights each is fine, although I would add a third night in Samarkand, especially if you arrive late or leave early.
+--- 2432490
+>>2432477
+>why not going to khiva first
+My general itinerary so far:
+-Land in Tashkent, two nights to see the city
+-Fly to Bishkek
+2.5 weeks to hike in Kyrgyzstan, around karakul and alay in the south
+-finish in osh, cross the border to andijan
+-waste of day going to samarkand
+-2 nights samarkand
+-2 nights bukhara
+-2 nights khiva
+-Fly from khiva to Tashkent
+-less than a day in Tashkent and fly home
+
+No plans to see nature in Uzbekistan as it would be underwhelming after Kyrgyzstan
+
+>t. basic Russian skills, first big trip alone
+--- 2432497
+>>2432490
+As I said depending on your concrete dates it might be worth going from Andijan directly to Bukhara or Khiva on an overnight train and then go backwards to Samarkand, thus not "wasting" a day.
+At the moment booking trains in Uzbekistan is messed up for some reason, way fewer tickets available per train than usual, many travellers are complaining about it.
+--- 2432513
+>>2432497
+Thanks for bringing the option to take a train from andijan to khiva, it will give more flexibility of how long to stay in each city
+Only downside is that the journey would take 22 hours and there are no seats in the train app no matter which day I choose, definitely a soviet bug
+--- 2432529
+>>2432513
+You're welcome.
+Don't forget that you can also use domestic flights to Tashkent, so a possible route could be:
+>train from Andijan to Bukhara
+>shared taxi from Bukhara to Khiva
+>flight from Khiva (UGC) to Samarkand via Tashkent (5.5 hours, 60 dollars
+>train from Samarkand to Tashkent
+The lack of space on trains is concerning, you have to continuously check if they're available (that's what Caravanistan says) or buy them via an agency.
+Don't forget that you can bribe conductors to give you a better compartment but you won't be able to board the train without a valid ticket.
+--- 2433147
+>>2432513
+
+It happened to me as well. You need to login a few minutes past midnight, when they make a new batch of tickets available.
+--- 2433709
+>>2421998 (OP)
+Good bread op
+--- 2435596
+>>2423583
+hidden but existing
+--- 2435606
+Didn't expect to see that thread here, too bad I've already returned.
+Here's Anonymous HQ in Samarkand, I guess.
+--- 2435759
+>>2435606
+What the fuck?
+--- 2436005
+Considering going to Uzbekistan solo this summer if euro trip with friends doesn't work out.
+Is it too hot and dry in July to be enjoyable? How safe is it to wander around alone? Might pass by Kirghizistan also if time allows.
+--- 2436090
+>>2436005
+It will be hot and dry.
+I found it enjoyable since it wasn't humid but YMMV, especially if you're sensitive to heat.
+You cannot count on places having AC.
+I found it safe to wander out alone at any time of the day and night, definitely safer than some US cities. Stay away from drunks and watch your step since the pavements tend to be uneven and manholes may not be fully covered.
+>Might pass by Kirghizistan also if time allows.
+Definitely do so, it will not be as hot there, especially in the mountains or near lakes.
+--- 2438308
+>>2435759
+Walk to the right from the railway station intersection (one with "Vokzal Market") past the school.
+--- 2438848
+Thank you based Pegasus airlines for making flights to Osh dirt cheap. Got my two weeks booked in for the last part of June. 
+
+How is the border crossing to UZ at Dostyk?
+--- 2439579
+>>2436090
+>It will be hot and dry.
+I hate the heat and sweat a lot but never get sick from it. Would you recommend going another time?
+How about the weather in Kirghizistan in the moutains?
+--- 2439597
+>>2439579
+If you want to hike in the mountains, summer is the time. It is still cool up there and you need to be prepared for cold weather blowing in.
+--- 2439827
+>>2439579
+I was fine in Central Asian summer, be it in up to 40° sun in Turkestan, 20° windy Astana, 32° Bishkek or at the 28° shores of Issyk-Kul.
+Again, it can get hot but for me the heat was much more comfortable than slightly lower temperatures in Thailand, Japan or Korea since it isn't humid.
+--- 2440617
+bump
+--- 2440761
+>>2440617
+Bump 2.0
+--- 2440817
+>>2439597
+How do you find yurts when trekking in Kyrgyzstan mountains? Are the nomads spread all over and I can just pop in?
+--- 2440867
+>>2440817
+You can find a hiking business in the nearest city and go with a guid who arranges it, or you go prepared with a tent and treat a yurt as a bonus.
+--- 2440947
+>>2440867
+Thanks fren
+--- 2440993
+>>2440817
+There are also yurt camps geared towards tourists (mostly domestic/Russian) that serve as bases for day treks in the area.
+They'll offer you a yurt for yourself or to share with others, usually with breakfast/dinner included, optionally also lunch or lunch boxes.
+--- 2441215
+>>2440817
+Also, if you are in a vaey you'll probably find a yurt, but not up the slopes. Sounds obvious but knew a retarded German who spazzed out about this when he had a fucking ridge walking route.

trv/2422680.txt

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+-----
+--- 2422680
+>low COL
+>8 pesos to one USD
+>rent is average, much lower out of the city
+>stable government and maintained infrastructure
+>widespread internet access 
+>1-5 hour timezone difference 
+>no taxes on foreign income
+>expansive metro
+>good nightlife, food, and general live
+>European city design 
+>Latina women
+
+Is there any downside?
+--- 2422685
+>>2422680 (OP)
+>8 pesos to one USD
+not true
+--- 2422686
+>>2422680 (OP)
+>>8 pesos to one USD
+>>rent is average, much lower out of the city
+>>stable government and maintained infrastructure
+LOL all of this can change overnight or hourly
+>>widespread internet access 
+Yeah and it's not reliable, cell internet is but that often comes with high latency
+>good nightlife, food, and general live
+>European city design 
+hahasuhdindHAHAHAHA
+>Latina women
+Of which will all see you as a way out of the country and back to america.
+--- 2422710
+Will I get stabbed by a brown man
+--- 2422713
+>>2422680 (OP)
+Ignore this incel >>2422686
+
+All you wrote is on point except this
+>stable government and maintained infrastructure
+--- 2422737
+>>2422685
+you're right, I got numbers mixed up. It's actually 200/1. Meaning I could barely work and make an average yearly salary in a month. 
+
+>>2422686
+>LOL all of this can change overnight or hourly
+Sure, but the pro of being an expat is that you can fly out if things start looking sideways
+
+>>2422710
+That could happen anywhere
+
+>>2422713
+Compare to the states, that's true. Compared to most of it's neighbors, it's doing alright though.
+--- 2422740
+How good is Argentinian pussy?
+--- 2422752
+>>2422740
+The best
+--- 2422760
+>>2422740
+Both Pipaypipo and Argendana are Argentinian, so I suggest meeting a nice local girl, and fisting her ass to the elbow and beyond. Go for a new record, asshole to armpit!
+--- 2422769
+>>2422760
+Shoulder deep inside the borderline
+--- 2422890
+>>2422737
+>I got numbers mixed up. It's actually 200/1
+Bruh, still nowhere close, the real rate is more like 380/1
+https://dolarhoy.com/
+Don't get scammed by the jews at the bank, always get the blue dollar rate by trading cash with people you trust or using Western Union
+--- 2422923
+Where should I stay in the city if I'm going for 2 weeks to check it out as a place to live? Also, is there a way to book an apartment on Airbnb or another site and pay in pesos instead of dollars, since I already know my bank gives me close to the blue rate?
+--- 2422930
+Ok what's the deal with Buenos Aires and safety? Was gonna make my own thread for this and still might
+23 year old white guy, dress like a skater/indie band member, don't drink, don't have a smartphone/designer clothes/shiny watch/etc, don't go to normie clubs/bars but would be using public transport to get home from DIY punk/indie/etc gigs and similar stuff at midnight 2-3 times a week
+Am I good? I've heard that you have to take a taxi after sunset but I don't think I look like a target
+I go to similar gigs in 'edgy' areas of my home city and nothing happens to me, homeless people on drugs ask me for change but they're never aggressive or pushy and I've never encountered organised crime in these areas. Is it the same with BA or is the risk actually real?
+--- 2422934
+>>2422930
+Love edgy twinks. You need a place to stay when you get down here?
+--- 2422952
+>>2422934
+lol
+--- 2422955
+>>2422930
+Ubers in LatAm are like 6 fucking dollars to drive across town, don't be a moron
+--- 2422957
+>>2422930
+>>2422955
+Yeah, seriously. Ubers & whatnot in LatAm are extremely affordable. Just fucking go. I've been to Philly & NYC, both of which are way more dangerous than Buenos Aires. Are you afraid of visiting Manhattan?
+--- 2422960
+>>2422957
+>I've been to Philly & NYC, both of which are way more dangerous than Buenos Aires. Are you afraid of visiting Manhattan?
+If BA is safer than NYC then I'm good to go lol
+I'm from London and take public transport at midnight all the time, two years of doing this and no issues
+I'll keep the ubers in mind for if I'm ever out after the metro shuts down for the night too
+--- 2422975
+>>2422960
+L
+O
+N
+D
+O
+N
+Let me get in that fucking bussy already you shy bitch
+--- 2423049
+>>2422960
+
+Don't be naive. Buenos AIres is plenty dangerous if you end up in the wrong areas. You take a wrong turn and you're in the middle of a villa miseria.
+
+You had better study the city map carefully if you don't want to end up in big trouble. The villas of Buenos Aires are as dangerous as in any Latin American city.
+--- 2423058
+>>2423049
+You said nothing at all. Why even post that gibberish? This is the same story with most cities in the western hemisphere.
+--- 2423249
+>>2422680 (OP)
+I would choose Puerto Iguazú for that. Although it is a small town, it is safe, one flight close to Buenos Aires and, if you cross the border to Foz do Iguaçu, one flight close to the main Brazilian hubs (São Paulo, Rio and Brasília).
+--- 2423384
+>>2422680 (OP)
+As a mid 20s guy who wants to get out of my Anglo shithole are Spanish cities or Buenos Aires better? I want good cooming, hot woman, good infrastructure, low col, and nice weather. I’ve heard both are feminist shitholes, how much does this actually impact day to day life? I went to Spain and it seems like the women there were more normal than in the US but they have very weird laws. Are they as insane as people make them out to be?
+--- 2423440
+>>2422680 (OP)
+Is it possible to withdraw dollars directly from the card in the Argentinian ATMs? I read a bit about it, and know that the rate is supposed to be okay-ish (MEP, like Western Union). The question is, how to find an ATM like this?
+--- 2423573
+>>2423049
+You just described every major city in the US
+
+>>2422930
+Anywhere that isn't an active warzone, or undergoing violent political upheavals are generally safe, but even then you'll probably be fine. Crime exists everywhere, but even compared to somewhere like BsAs, many US cities have similar or worse crime rates.
+--- 2423629
+>>2423440
+The USD ATMS are all in Colonia, AFAIK. You need to take the ferry.
+
+Your other option is to simply sell crypto for pesos.
+--- 2423848
+>>2422975
+stop sexually harassing me and answer my question you fucking nonce
+>>2423049
+I'll study the city map but statistics aren't always accurate, again I go to high crime areas of my city all the time and nothing fucking happens to me
+>>2423573
+Yeah desu it's probably just me being an Anglosphere baby who thinks that the rest of the world outside of Europe/Asia is le big scary
+Thanks anon
+--- 2423996
+>>2422740
+They are German, Italian, Spanish, and native, with a dash of Jewish thrown in. How could they not be attractive? 
+
+picrel, my favorite alt argentinian jewess
+--- 2424017
+If you can get physical dollars its sweet since the street value has an incredible premium.
+--- 2424265
+Can any of you Argie bros explain why everybody likes their meat well done, but also likes blood sausage? It doesn't make much sense to me
+--- 2424347
+>>2422680 (OP)
+It is fun but lack of a beach is a huge drawback. It is the hottest winter, summer, whatever the fuck you call it on record. It is depressing to see a polluted river you cant even touch becauss your hand will fall off. 
+
+ I am looking into Montevideo
+--- 2424436
+>>2423384
+I have never been to either but for what it’s worth I really don’t think people from outside of the anglosphere can comprehend just how cucked angloid countries and especially America is in this regard. They would probably be a good place to have fun and coom for a bit but not as much if you want to find a wife and settle down with kids.
+--- 2424558
+USD to their currency is more like 1 to 300+
+--- 2424588
+>>2424558
+Who cares this is financial illiteracy. It could be 1 to 1 trillion if it still buys the same amount of shit it does not matter.
+--- 2424667
+>>2422680 (OP)
+Fuck it's a shit hole.
+>Good night life? 
+No
+--- 2424668
+>>2422930
+>skater
+>designer clothes
+
+the fuck?
+--- 2424679
+>>2424667
+Elaborate
+--- 2425466
+>>2423629
+I read a couple of articles in Ambito and iProfesional that suggested that such ATMs exist in Buenos Aires. They say to use filters in Banelco to find such an ATM.
+--- 2425562
+Come to Cuartel V bro! Just a trip on train and I will waiting for you at the station. :3
+--- 2425564
+>>2424668
+I dress like a skater and I DON'T wear designer clothes
+Sorry for the confusion king, hope this clears things up x
+--- 2425777
+>>2422680 (OP)
+I want to open a mom and pop American diner there when Bolsonaro gets back in
+--- 2425817
+>>2425777
+based retard wasting trips
+
+oh well, your heart is in the right place
+--- 2425895
+>>2422680 (OP)
+Hello friends 
+
+How hard is it to get woman for Indian men? 
+
+Me and a couple co-workers are remote working for Boeing in India.
+--- 2426074
+>>2425895
+>Indian
+--- 2426208
+>>2423848
+>stop sexually harassing me
+post boy pussy
+--- 2426798
+>>2422680 (OP)
+>Latina women
+
+Latinos are the largest minority group in America
+--- 2426801
+>>2424436
+Lol, Spanish and Argentina aren’t poor brown shitholes like Colombia and Dominican Republic. The women aren’t so poor that they will fuck any man with usd. If you had no game back home it’s going to worse in Spain.
+--- 2426863
+>>2426798
+>>Latina women
+
+Argentine women for the most part are not really Latina. They speak Spanish but they act like white people.
+--- 2426899
+>>2426863
+Yeah maybe if white people were black
+--- 2427052
+>>2426208
+you first babe
+--- 2427054
+You fuckers know that if you stay more than 180 days you become taxable right? Won't get you exonerated if you're already paying taxes in another country. And bear in mind taxes are super high. Also the city is not that cheap if you exchange your money using ATM's. The best is to know a local or risk it exchanging with a shady Peruvian.
+--- 2427055
+>>2424265
+Only poorfags that can't afford quality meat like it well done
+--- 2427157
+>>2422740
+Top 3 in the world in terms of variety and looks. Perfect combination of northern, southern yuro and amerindian
+--- 2427186
+>>2427054
+>The best is to know a local or risk it exchanging with a shady Peruvian.
+The grey market for these things is so widespread, people stand on the corner saying "dolares?" and the police don't even give a shit. You could literally ask your taxi driver, he'd be happy for his cousin or whatever to have your business.
+--- 2427188
+>>2427054
+Huh... that I didn't know. If you exit Argentina and come back, let's say you go to Uruguay, you get another 180 days before you have to pay taxes?
+--- 2427210
+>>2427188
+Not really, I bet that was probably a thing a few decades ago. Right now they calculate the total length of your stay within 12 months (continuous) of any period they decide works for them. So you could stay 180 days there, 180 in Uruguay and 5 in Paraguay. And just repeat the cycle until you get bored or they still call you out and you have to show a bunch of documents to the Argentinean authorities. What I'll do later this is year is go there 3 months -> 3 months Germany -> 3 months Japan and back. Anyways if you really want to come to south america, Uruguay has a kind of okay tax regime. You'd only have to pay social security and retirement. One is 100 bucks fixed the other one is based off your salary but it's easy to declare less than what you're currently making. In my case I'm only declaring 3k a month and they only take 200 in total. This of course only works if you have a remote job and a contract in which is stated that they're providing you with the tools necessary for your job (aka a laptop). 
+Anyways this is based on my research and what I've heard from other nomad bros, but I could definitely be wrong / stuff can change.
+--- 2427222
+>>2426801
+He’s talking about purely from America retard. America is nightmare mode even for chadlites.
+--- 2427223
+>>2427054
+oh no, i'll have to go to some other cheap LATAM city to live like a king the rest of the year. whatever will I do.
+--- 2427337
+>>2427210
+How do they even collect any money if you don't have a job or bank account in the country and just bring cash or use Western Union or crypto to bring money in?
+
+Also, is it true that you can just stay as long as you want on a tourist visa and when you leave all you get is a lecture and like a $30 fine and can come and go as much as you want without getting blacklisted? That's what I saw from this video
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rln-62vMWUA [Embed]
+--- 2427343
+>>2427210
+Oh motherfucker, I thought it was like regular visas (ie: you visit let's say Japan for 10 weeks, leave for a couple of days for example to Busan, and then come back with an extra 90 days of visa)
+--- 2427353
+>>2422680 (OP)
+>massive arable land
+>huge European immigration for decades
+>tons of natural resources
+›one of the few countries with the ability to be self sufficient
+>starts a war against one of the top economic and military powers in the world for... a rock with some sheep on it
+>became an economic backwater consistently bankrupting itself and with a currency so worthless they use other countries money instead
+--- 2427380
+>>2427337
+It depends on the customs guy processing you at the airport. Usually they give you a slap on the wrist, sometimes they fuck your shit up. I heard of a guy who got fined ~$400 when he overstayed his Colombian visa by a month. He was banned from re-entry for 5 years. Sometimes they give you one year, etc. Some places, like Colombia, are cracking down on foreigners coming and going whenever the fuck they want. 
+
+The point is, you do NOT want to count on a token punishment whenever you overstay. It could really fuck your plans up. Did you get a local girlfriend? Too bad, now you can't visit her for five fucking years. Granted, the guys that get penalties like that overstay for months, but still. 
+
+>>2427337
+The Argentinian tax people are weirdly competent and aggressive. I wouldn't mess with them if I were you.
+--- 2427723
+>>2427222
+America is easy mode for euros, y’all are just ugly and boring.
+--- 2427951
+>>2427723
+>just be chad bro
+They have the exotic factor and even then alot of Americans are very particular when it comes to exotic things
+>muh bbc
+Its different because in America its based off race, in actuality Americans are weirded out by foreign entities. I am uncircumsized and have had several women stop blowing me because they think i will give them an STD.
+European women are way less oversocialized and non adhd coddled overweight goblins. If you disagree you are just trolling
+--- 2428009
+>>2427054
+That's when you move to Brazil for a few months, then fly to Europe for the rest of the year.
+--- 2428031
+>>2423249
+I am here now and you are trolling. This is the dankest, dirtiest shit city in all of argentina.
+
+I cannot wait to get out of here
+--- 2428048
+>>2427951
+Sounds like cope, even short Mexicans can come here and secure themselves a white Woman
+--- 2428076
+>>2428048
+I've seen the white girls mexicans end up with. Unless they're el chad they're always war pigs
+--- 2429244
+>>2422760
+What's the deal with Argentinian girls and anal? Most whores here will let you fuck them in the ass and not even charge you extra
+--- 2429247
+>>2429244
+I'm not complaining but I found this weird. Argie whores also have no problem swallowing either. It's pretty rad tbqh.
+--- 2429256
+>>2429244
+lol "Free Anal" should be part of the tourist campaign.
+--- 2429985
+So what are the good neighborhoods? You can just start listing names
+--- 2431348
+>>2429985
+I'm also interested in knowing what are the bad areas I might accidently wander into around the known good areas?
+--- 2431365
+>>2429985
+Just hang out in Palermo like all the other gringos. Bring a fuck ton if USD or euro.
+--- 2431427
+>>2428048
+Yeah they are with the fat landwhale single mothers in Amarillo texas or some backwater shithole.
+--- 2431428
+>>2429244
+Any good advice on cooming in Argentina, I can’t find info anywhere even on isg
+--- 2431563
+>>2431428
+It's mostly online call girls that have apartments for working in the downtown area and are available during normal daytime business hours. Schedule for as early in the day as you can for best service, and have a few backups ready to text in case you get there and it's a bait and switch or the girl isn't acceptable. Standard price is about $30/hour, as many rounds as you want, GFE mandatory (most of them will have a great attitude if you make out with them and try to help them have a good time). Expect no English, they're fine with foreigners but you'll have to use translate and know enough bedroom Spanish to tell them what you want. If they say their service is "complete" it means it includes anal.
+
+https://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/
+Local forum with reviews, I don't find their appearance descriptions that reliable, but it's fine to verify if the girl is real, the apartment setup, and service.
+
+https://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts-acompanantes.htm
+-Most reliable site
+https://www.sexysabor.com/
+https://gemidos.tv/argentina-capital-federal
+https://selfiescorts.com/escorts/
+https://ar.skokka.com/escorts/capitalfederal/
+-other ok sites
+
+Always google the last 8 digits of their phone numbers, if more than one girl shows up somebody is managing them or their phone and it's more likely to be a bait and switch or fake/ghost. Other than fakes there's no real scamming or danger of drugging/robbing as far as I can tell.
+--- 2431587
+>>2431563
+Holy fuck, god bless you anon. 30$ for an hour, and I don't have to worry about safety unlike medellin? JFC I hope normies dont ruin argentina too kek.
+--- 2431761
+>>2422740
+desu no tits no ass no hips, most of them saying all the time "muh europen grandpa. yada yada" and boring very boring having sex literally depressing imagine even argentinian porn is so fucking boring, if you want pussy go to Brazil
+--- 2432099
+>>2431587
+little advice, choose paraguayans, argies girls dont know how to fuck, this an0n >>2431761 spilled the T
+--- 2432122
+>>2431761
+>>2432099
+Are most of the putas argies anyway? I figured white argenitian girls are too stuck up and pampered by their cuck society to be involved in that scene and most of them are from neighboring cunts
+--- 2432150
+>>2431587
+$30 is for really mid girls. If you’re going all that way you can get model tier women for $200. Which is incredibly cheap considering they’d go for $1000-$1500 in the states.
+--- 2432159
+>>2432122
+I'd say it's at least 50% argie, and there's definitely white-ish girls, depending on how you classify Italians, lol
+--- 2432245
+>>2432150
+That is still not bad at all kek. 30$ for even mid girls is good
+--- 2432288
+>>2432150
+>you can get model tier women for $200
+Are these instagram hoes I'll have no chance with anyways without a fully doxed profile or do you find them somewhere else?
+--- 2432429
+Please never change your dollars in the street to the "cambio" screamers.
+--- 2432469
+>>2432429
+CAMBIO?
+--- 2432603
+>>2432429
+Why? What actually happens if you do?
+--- 2432756
+>>2432159
+I love italians so no issues there, not a polfag and tanned girls are my type. But also love latinas so no issues with them either. Still surprising to me that there are 50% Argentinians involved, guess poverty overrides feminism and globohomo pussy hyperinflation in western countries. In Spain I would say its only like 15% of girls involved are actually spaniards, but there are alot of argentinians.
+--- 2432771
+>>2432756
+
+>not a polfag and tanned girls are my type
+
+/pol/ only pretends they like white women when they all absolutely take a dark-skinned woman in a heartbeat
+--- 2433087
+>>2432756
+>Still surprising to me that there are 50% Argentinians involved, guess poverty overrides feminism and globohomo pussy hyperinflation in western countries
+It's actually much more than that, you can see by looking on the sites, they have no reason to lie and say they're argie since foreign girls have a reputation for better sex anyways. Also the feminism they have here is the knock off Argentinian made version that seems to encourage them to be whores, they couldn't afford to import the toxic full strength version from the west.
+--- 2433091
+>>2432603
+They scam you. Just download the western Union app and do a wire transfer, you’ll get the blue dollar rate, The only thing you need crisp clean USD is for hookers and rent. 
+
+Seriously, a few $100 notes will make argies eyes bug out.
+--- 2433251
+>>2433087
+Based argies, doing the only job women are meant for: draining balls
+--- 2434070
+>>2433251
+argie women cant even that job well
+--- 2434621
+>>2433087
+>Also the feminism they have here is the knock off Argentinian made version that seems to encourage them to be whores, they couldn't afford to import the toxic full strength version from the west.
+This. Latin societies are very unequal. The few guys who have money will NOT put up with the kind of shit American girls can get away with.
+--- 2435149
+>feminism encourage to be whores
+and whats the fucking problem? mad none of them want to fuck with you? and if they are prostitutes is bc they are starved to death and as economy is shit and no argie man can provide they sell pussy which I like if they have good pussy and ass to give
+--- 2435185
+>>2435149
+>and whats the fucking problem?
+It's not a problem at all, the point was that in other countries feminism causes them to hate men and think of sex work as a horrible thing that only "trafficked" women are forced into doing, not a normal economic choice
+--- 2435219
+>>2435149
+ No one said that kek, back to crystal cafe or whatever roastie
+--- 2436061
+>>2427723
+I have been to Europe and live in America and in Europe I see guys with cuties that would have fat girls in America, it isn’t even comparable. Euro women are much more attractive and much less cunty than American women. In America every truly beautiful woman is some kind of influencer or OnlyFans slut and if you aren’t Instagram famous or a coke dealer it’s illegal for you to even attempt to talk to them and this isn’t an exaggeration. In fact, in America dating apps and Instagram are the ONLY socially acceptable ways to talk to women, this country is more judgmental and over-socialized than you can even comprehend. Also Americans men and women alike in places like New York are outright hostile, in other areas they will be superficially nice in a very obviously fake way then ghost you and never want to hang out. It’s also nightmare difficulty for making regular friends, not just getting pussy.
+--- 2436070
+>>2422930
+>dress like a skater/indie band member
+Consider suicide.
+--- 2436684
+>>2433091
+How do they scam you? I am friends with a cambio guy he is a total bro . 
+I don't see how they could scam unless giving counterfeit bills which they don't.
+--- 2436768
+Can anyone tell me what are the poorest/ dingiest areas of Buenos Aires? I'm writing a short story about some artists drinking, smoking and whoring around on the Latin streets of the city and am very curious.
+--- 2436808
+>>2422680 (OP)
+What kind of lifestyle could you afford with, say, a base salary of $62,932,085.40 pesos? The city looks nice but I’ve never been. Asking for a friend.
+--- 2436833
+>>2436808
+Nigga if your making $300k a year you are having a fake tittied, BBL’d model feeding you Argentine steak in the hot tub of your luxury penthouse at least 3 times a week and still not spending more than $200k
+--- 2436931
+>>2436808
+with that number Arbentine is Pattaya for you, actually for whoever who earn a dollar salary up to 1000 usd. The congress dudes earn 1500 usd at today exchange and just since 4 or months due to every year double the salary bc the inflation, so enjoy. Thats why near countries come here, is Thailand of Latinamerica
+--- 2436950
+>>2436931
+>1000 usd
+
+A month?
+--- 2436966
+>>2436931
+I guess I need to plan a trip to Argentina, then
+--- 2437022
+>>2436950
+yes
+--- 2438938
+>>2436768
+>poorest/ dingiest areas of Buenos Aires
+>artists drinking, smoking and whoring around
+The worst areas just have brown people that want to stab you for your phone like anywhere else in South America. You could just say San Telmo since it has arts and crafts people and old European looking buildings that aren't maintained, but that's how most of the city looks.
+--- 2440021
+>>2438938
+That's true but San Telmo doesn't seem like the place that would have walk in brothels or dirty hookers on the streets. That's a vibe I'm going for too.
+--- 2440022
+>>2438938
+But also I am curious what those neighbourhoods are where brown people would stab you for your phone. I'd like to have a scene where said dandies accidentally cross into this part of town.
+--- 2441109
+>>2422713
+>stable government and maintained infrastructure
+CABA, aka the inner city is far far better than the suburbs, aka the Congourbano.
+--- 2441115
+>>2440022
+La Boca stupid motherfucking hipster trying to write about a city you aint been to. Watch Tetro. Retard
+--- 2441146
+>>2440022
+Anywhere, really, you are most likely to get stab outside of the villas than inside of them. If you want the worst in the city, try Villa 1-11-14 or Villa 31. Regarding your book, historically the area of Avellaneda was a well know giant whore house and gambling hub.
+--- 2441176
+>>2422680 (OP)
+Can I go if I’m trans?
+--- 2441213
+>>2436061
+its not that bad man
+>remember that perception is more a mirror than an eyeglass
+--- 2441270
+>>2441176
+you can pass as a local

trv/2423063.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,940 @@
+-----
+--- 2423063
+Teaching English abroad general
+
+Thought I should bring this back
+--- 2423064
+>>2423063 (OP)
+Previous threads
+https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2352590/
+https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2394758/
+--- 2423066
+>>2423064
+https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2413100/
+--- 2423189
+>4 years still no JET
+>try ai chatbot to help me write a better essay
+>mfw its basically the same
+I suck at writing non-generic shit. How do I do better?
+--- 2423255
+>>2423063 (OP)
+teaching english abroad is fucking garbage now. Used to be great.
+--- 2423282
+>>2423255
+Why?
+--- 2423283
+Should I use Asian-American literature to teach my students?
+
+>>>/lit/21787899
+--- 2423285
+Okay bros, how more likely will JET take me if I have:
+
+>A masters in a humanities subject
+>assistant teaching experience from doing the Masters degree
+>Doing part-time substitute teaching at my local middle school and high school
+
+Also, if I tell them I have more experience with middle and high schoolers, will they more likely place me in one of those?
+--- 2423368
+>>2423189
+>>2423285
+If you anons really want to do JET, you need to realize the weebs in charge really don't care about teaching experience, desire for teaching, or suitability for teaching. They see it as bringing cultures together. The successful JET applicants talk about how much they love Japanese culture and how they want to do shit like start an English speaking tennis club for grannies in whatever inaka town they get sent to.
+The whole purpose of JET is to send gaijin to the countryside. Most gaijin don't want to go to the countryside unless they want the cultural and language immersion. Gaijin with teaching experience can get jobs in the cities, or even worse, cause friction with the Japanese schools and teachers you're supposed to be acting as a human tape recorder for. If you appear to be a candidate who could piss of the Japanese teachers, or fuck off and take your work visa to get a better job in a more exciting city, you'll face an uphill battle convincing them to pick you.
+They think they know from their own experience that the best JETs are weebish human tape recorders. So be that guy. Tell them you want to immerse yourself in Japanese culture and language and downplay any teaching experience you have. Don't hide it, just use it to demonstrate that you're not afraid of kids and you can follow instructions.
+--- 2423395
+>>2423368
+I thought JET filtered out weebs?
+--- 2423396
+>>2423368
+Instead of anime, what if I tell them I love Japanese cinema?
+--- 2423435
+>>2423395
+The JET selection committees are all weebs who feel the purpose of JET is for cultural ambassadorship.... not teaching. That's not to say they won't filter out clearly undesirable people, but they aren't looking for teachers, and if you wind up in Japan you will meet many people who applied for JET, didn't get selected, and went over in various other teacher roles, and you'll meet a few JETs who are anything but teachers. The JETs mostly won't be bad people but they clearly weren't selected to improve the standard of inaka school districts English education.
+--- 2423751
+>>2423063 (OP)
+>have a master's degree in history 
+>currently finishing a bachelor of education with history as a teachable major and English as a teachable minor 
+>graduating next year
+Is this enough for tier 2/tier 3 international schools? The program requires that you finish an apprenticeship inside local schools for both years, and I am going to be teaching a university course this summer
+--- 2423820
+>>2423063 (OP)
+2 weeks till JET interview results bros, how are other applicants feeling?
+
+I put it in the back of my mind for months but now it's nearly here it's tough to focus on much else.
+--- 2423910
+>>2423368
+>>2423435
+this 100%. the current seniority of JET only want to hear about how big of a japanophile you are and how far you lean left. they want to hear that you're a bleeding heart liberal and that you've been obsessed with anime your entire life. because thats who they are as well. if you show them that you are qualified to take their job, your application is binned instantly.
+--- 2423943
+>>2423910
+Can you show proof of any of this?
+--- 2423948
+>>2423910
+you can believe me or not. i dont really care. i'm the 3rd person in this thread to say the same thing. if you think we are all liars, that's on you. do your own research and see where your own application gets you.
+--- 2423951
+>>2423943
+woops. >>2423948 is meant for you.
+--- 2424137
+I only want a degree to teach TEFL. What's the easiest and cheapest way to go about college to attain this? Last time I tried to go to college COVID ruined it
+--- 2424157
+Imagine actually paying for college instead of just lying about it on your cv. Complete cuckery
+
+t. highschool dropout with a better more prestigious resume than you
+--- 2424237
+>>2424137
+Just get an Education degree and then get the CELTA
+--- 2424714
+>>2423910
+>>2423435
+I’m confused. What are these selection committees? I thought the JET interview was done at embassies/consuls by Japanese diplomats?
+--- 2424773
+>TEFL-qualified
+>not moving to China to stack rambos and slurp crypto at current rock-bottom prices
+
+anons...
+--- 2424786
+>>2424714
+You can't be serious.
+--- 2424788
+>>2424157
+They check your qualifications now so you're either larping or lied about your CV 5 years ago. You need to verify your diploma.
+--- 2424792
+>>2424157
+I wish you could get away with lying but it just takes some dumb HR roastie 3 seconds to check,
+--- 2424870
+>>2423282
+His silence pretty much speaks for itself. TEFL is a great way to save a lot of money while traveling.
+--- 2425232
+>>2424786
+I just read the website bro, that's what it implied.
+--- 2425321
+If you decide to get locked into a contract tied to your visa and housing tied to your job for a poor salary as an esl teacher you are very dumb. It's not even a good option as a broke young 20s hoping for a chance to travel.
+
+What you should do it travel as a student or training program, and with a residential visa, find part time work with English. It is easily found by word of mouth, you can get paid in cash and tax free, you can leave jobs with people you don't like, you can choose your hours, and you are paid more pet hour. The only cons would be, if you have clients far apart you travel a bit in one day, and if people randomly cancel you can still charge but people do cancel in advance for busy times, so you try to overload clients to make up for a slow month. Alternatively if you take more online clients you travel and cancel less but you earn less.
+
+This is also a good way to get childcare qualifications, and that along with good expertise and experience in private households leads you to working for richer clients. 
+
+So mediocre people end up in esl, and quality people end up as private tutors. The former paid in peanuts and not respected, the latter paid very well and given perks.
+--- 2425325
+>>2424157
+I mean you're kind of right. If you don't work in a serious company that run security clearance background checks, work in a foreign country, and don't need the degree for a visa, no one will ever know. Apostilled degrees are for work visas but someone already resident abroad could easily claim to have a degree, and even show a fake certificate and they would not even check.
+--- 2425355
+>>2423282
+Too many teachers now. Wages have gone to shit. Also some countries are now employing Filipinos as teachers.
+--- 2425363
+>>2423063 (OP)
+I'm tired of life and the USA. I'm saying fuck it and going abroad for ESL in my 30's.
+--- 2425370
+>>2425232
+No. It's usually 3 people. A CTE (or whatever they're called), former/current JET, and a representative. But overall, all companies are going the way of liberal Western management. I remember applying somewhere and the HR/interviewer was a massive sheboon. Looked up the company on Glassdoor and there were reviews complaining about her.
+--- 2425390
+>>2425363
+What country are you going to? Are you lining up a job first or looking for something after you arrive?
+--- 2425392
+>>2425355
+What countries are you talking about? Wages have always been pretty stagnant in TEFL. The fact that some countries (like Japan and China) are employing Filipinos is mostly due to increased demand and lack of bodies to fill that demand. But if you're talking about Korea, I agree 100% that it's a much worse place to work now than it was 10-15 years ago.
+--- 2425397
+>>2424137
+>I only want a degree to teach TEFL. What's the easiest and cheapest way to go about college to attain this?
+Nobody can really answer this for you. It depends where you live. For the subject to study, the best advice for someone like yourself who was already in college but dropped out is to study what you find most interesting because then you're likely to stick to it and do well.
+--- 2425411
+>finish a lvl 5 tefl course
+>imagine all the stuff which I am going to see 
+>apply for 11 jobs so far
+>only 2 called me back for an interview where they told me they are sorry but they found an another candidate
+Should I just give up?
+--- 2425440
+>>2425411
+If you got 2 responses out of 11 applications that’s actually quite good. Just keep at it and you’ll get something within a month or two more. Just send out 1 application a day for 30 days and see what happens.
+--- 2425537
+>>2425370
+Then why does the website say I have to travel to do an in-person interview at the Japanese embassy/consul?
+--- 2425538
+>>2425392
+>But if you're talking about Korea, I agree 100% that it's a much worse place to work now than it was 10-15 years ago.
+
+Why is that?
+--- 2425558
+>>2425390
+Taiwan. I have a company interested in me but they want me in country first, so technically I have a job lined up. I taught in Japan before le coof and disliked it, but I think that had to do more with the shitty school and boss.
+>>2425537
+nigger go to JET reddit or something. i guess thats where they have the interview.
+--- 2425979
+>>2425363
+Im in Jet in my 30s and I am heading home. Reason is because America has far more opportunity to make money. I cant start a family with teaching for a shit wage.
+--- 2425982
+>>2425558
+I can't stand the JET Reddit. They are all fucking idiots with mental issues. JET is full of idiot left-tards.
+--- 2426007
+>>2425982
+>JET is full of idiot left-tards
+Exactly what I've been trying to tell him. 
+>>2425979
+And what do you plan to do when you get home? Do you even have a place to live now that you left?
+--- 2426011
+>>2425979
+Japan isn't the place to make money doing kids TEFL, and doing JET doesn't prepare you for teaching or doing anything other than JET. There are opportunities to make good money teaching in Japan if you are teaching adults and professionals, but if you don't have any interest in it then you're doing the right thing by returning home. TEFL isn't for everyone. Most people should treat it as a way to live abroad for a few years and have a plan for when they want to go home.
+--- 2426013
+>>2426011
+JET is extremely easy with loads of down time. I never feel bad for people who didn't use that time to learn japanese or some other skill. You literally have 20+ hours of desk warming a week.
+--- 2426031
+>>2426007
+Gonna go back to my folks, and go back to doing ems jobs to get hours for a med grad program. I was stupid to think Japanese women would want to be with someone who cant pull in money just because I am white. Dating and marriage are two different things. I am over Japan.
+--- 2426033
+>>2426013
+Even if you get a job that makes 6,000,000, That is shit compared to what you can make in America. There is a reason why people are flooding to get here, and normal americans dont want to leave and live anywhere ells.
+--- 2426036
+>>2426033
+The point was that you're still earning a livable, and then some, wage. You didn't bother to do anything with the mass amount of free time you have. That's on you.
+>>2426031
+Good luck anon
+--- 2426044
+>>2426036
+Thanks man but your missing the point. No Japanese person can make the money that Americans make. Even if I was N1 I would not live here. To give up the golden ticket of America is dumb as hell in my opinion. You are right that if you can get that average Japanese wage at 6,000,000 Yen, You can have a family, but that money in Universal terms is only worth like 45k USD. So unless you only want to buy local things made in Japan and never travel, never own your own house, then go for it.
+--- 2426063
+>>2426044
+I feel like it kinda balances out if you find a low COL place, which isn't terribly hard to find.
+--- 2426500
+I've applied for some CELTAs and I'm aiming for Taiwan or Vietnam. Not sure how I'm gonna handle a hot country but fuck it, might as well go outside my comfort zone.
+--- 2426579
+So what countries have the best social scene for ESL teachers? I'm trying to avoid getting stuck with anime-obsessed weirdos and other blue-haired trash. I've heard that Korea and Japan are bad options for this reason. I'm also trying to go somewhere where the gender balance among expats is heavily female so I have an easier time getting a date. Another reason I'm sceptical of these countries since I don't want to get cucked by American military dudes. Not interested in dating locals (been there done that it looked like webmrel).
+
+Is Taiwan good? Or how about Vietnam? I'm not bothered about money I just want to have fun at this point.
+--- 2426627
+>>2426579
+Sounds like you want to go to Vietnam. It will hit up all your points.
+--- 2426646
+>>2426579
+>>2426500
+How old are you?
+--- 2426650
+>>2426646
+I'm 24 >>2426579
+--- 2426655
+>>2426646
+29
+--- 2426658
+>>2426650
+>>2426655
+I don't think he's an experienced old fart asking your age to give you personalized advice. He probably has not taught English abroad. Nobody who has would reply to you with that.
+--- 2426730
+>>2426658
+I did ESL in Japan actually. I was just asking cause I was curious the age people are wanting to do ESL now. But you did contribute a lot with your reply.
+--- 2426952
+>>2423063 (OP)
+Regardless of any reason you're doing ESL, make sure the school has a curriculum, textbooks, and materials. 
+Taught at a school with no textbooks, curriculum, class roster, and no technology. Only very few materials such as plastic fruits and animals. Was thrown into classes and expected to give top tier lessons. That experience fucked me up for a while.
+--- 2427134
+>>2426952
+How did you manage?
+--- 2427136
+>>2425979
+America is shit. Enjoy living like a slave.
+--- 2427138
+>>2426579
+No Tefl girls date Asian men. If you can’t date them when they are attention starved you probably can’t date them
+--- 2427152
+>>2427138
+Yeah but I'm worried if I go to Japan or Korea I'll have to compete with US military guys for expat women. Want to go somewhere where everything is stacked in my favour.
+--- 2427170
+>>2427134
+I didnt. I was constantly stressed and felt like my brain was physically cracking. I only lasted 6 months. My boss would often criticize me during class and I had to take a 1 hour singing lesson with her every Thursday. Along with an unpaid 1 hour meeting in front of my apartment 3 days of the week. Along with community service 4~ hours almost every Saturday. I'm going overseas again soon and I'm scared due to the previous experience.
+--- 2427174
+>>2427152
+Just avoid the military areas.... When I lived in Nagoya I saw anti military base protests a few times. Was extremely based.
+--- 2427183
+>>2427152
+>I'll have to compete with US military guys
+what a weird thing to say, you sound incredibly autistic and sexpest like
+--- 2427191
+>>2423063 (OP)
+I'm a mid-20s professional from England on a normal white collar career path (in construction) seriously considering throwing it to the wind and doing TEFL. I have a bachelor's - do I have any chance of being selected, and if so would I be completely retarded to do it? It seems like most people doing this are fresh graduates.
+--- 2427193
+>>2427191
+you're white, native language is english, and you have a degree. as long as you're not an autist, you'll be get selected. but who cares at what point in your life you do it. if you're unhappy with your current situation, change it. people who sperg about ESL are the same people who are angry because they're too scared to try it.
+--- 2427194
+>>2427193
+Fair enough. Thanks Anon.
+--- 2427220
+>>2427191
+You meet all the criteria for it, just be sure to have an exit plan. Or, if you really enjoy it, look at furthering your teaching career by getting QTS status with a pgce then move to proper international schools. Just don't get stuck as a lifer who only ever has a tefl certificate.
+--- 2427255
+>>2427220
+I agree with the exit plan. Grind a skill for 6 hours a week. By 6 months, you'll be able to get certified in that skill and will look much better to employers when trying to transition out. By 1 year, you'll be fairly decent at said skill. 6 hours a week aint shit.
+--- 2427460
+>>2423063 (OP)
+TEFL in your early 30's... Career and social suicide?
+--- 2427739
+>>2427460
+You wouldn't be the first, nor last.
+--- 2427908
+>>2427460
+I ask this too.
+I speak 4 langues fluent. High level English but not native. Arts, Biz, Design background. Not sure if I should just be a teacher in Thai/Pinas/Viet and be a coomer or not…
+I don't particularly like Asian wimmins but I enjoy that sort of weather and food (second to Med. food of course).
+--- 2428001
+>>2427460
+You’ll be fine. You can make a career out of TEFL too if you’re qualified.
+--- 2428052
+>>2425582
+--- 2428093
+>>2428052
+piss off. nobody cares about your coomer shit
+--- 2428219
+>>2423368
+Wait, so if I wanted to go to Hokkaido I just need to do JET? Neato
+--- 2428338
+>>2423368
+Why do I have a feeling this guy is trying to sabotage my chances of getting into JET?
+--- 2428343
+>>2428338
+I wrote that post. I live and currently teach in Japan off and on (currently "on"). I never did JET but I've met current JET, former JET, and many failed JET applicants. If you don't believe me, submit the standard "I'll be a great teacher" application. If and when you get rejected, play the weeb card on your next application.
+--- 2428348
+>>2428338
+why would anyone give a fuck enough to sabotage you? read all the JET posts on /trv/. they all say the same thing, including what I posted. go to the JET reddit. go talk to current JETs. Do your own homework.
+--- 2428357
+>>2428348
+>why would anyone give a fuck enough to sabotage you?
+ 
+I wasn't saying just me, but this dude seems to be trying to poison the well for JET applicants here.
+--- 2428392
+>>2428357
+again, he isn't going out of his way to make threads or spam existing threads to poison any well. he gave you a harsh truth that you seem to reject and wont do any research into seeing what he's saying is correct or not.
+--- 2428486
+>>2428392
+All my research online has told me the opposite, that JET filters weebs
+--- 2428493
+>>2428486
+>JET filters weebs
+absolutely not the truth. I know multiple people on JET and saw 1/2 of the 2022 intake and they are all weebs. majority were women and not white also. weebs in japan like to boast that they aren't weebs. just chat with them for an hour. they'll eventually show their power level and start sperging about how sexy they think some anime guy/girl is.
+--- 2428494
+>>2428486
+also, I'm not trying to damper your spirits about JET. I 100% think you should pursue it and turn your application in as you have it written. And I truly do hope you get accepted. I'm just trying to tell you what the reality is. But living in Japan and doing JET is a great experience. Don't forget to grind a real skill with your free time though.
+--- 2428854
+>>2428494
+>Don't forget to grind a real skill with your free time though.
+
+Suggestions on which skill?
+--- 2428922
+>>2428854
+Anything. Want to be a full time teacher? CELTA. Code? Python or whatever language. IT? Comptia certs or CCNA. Whenever you want.
+--- 2429062
+>>2428922
+I’m planning on getting the CELTA before applying for JET
+--- 2429680
+>>2429062
+Are you trolling? The purpose of JET is to bring barely skilled but enthusiastic and friendly newbies into areas of Japan that have trouble attracting and keeping teachers. With a CELTA, you can find a better job and pick your location, even if you have no experience. Not to mention, if you list you have a CELTA on your JET application, you're almost sure to get rejected. They usually reject overqualified applicants. You'd fight an uphill battle to convince them you won't cut and run after getting posted to a small town and spending half your days commuting to different schools.
+--- 2429684
+Is 30 too old? I basically just need something to do for a year while I wait for the next cycle of graduate school admissions.
+--- 2429702
+>>2429684
+It's weird to me that this question is asked all the time. 
+>is xx age to old to have a job?
+NO. ESL isn't some special bullshit. It's just a job. You don't have to love teaching, most people don't love their jobs. It's a means to an end.
+--- 2429707
+>>2429680
+Huh, okay then.
+
+What should I do then? Because I was thinking a CELTA would help me get into JET more.
+
+Where should I look for jobs if I get the CELTA then. I’m very worried for following into something that’s scammy.
+--- 2429846
+>>2429707
+Presumably you're focused on Japan? Apply for JET anyways, just don't wait until you get a CELTA. When you have a CELTA, apply to eikaiwa chains and whatever postings you find on ESL cafe. Make a gaijinpot job board resume. 
+You should be doing those things now because many teaching jobs only do hiring once or twice a year.
+--- 2429925
+>>2429846
+>Applying to eikawa chains with a celta
+Bruh. Maybe to use them for a visa only.>>2429846
+--- 2430010
+>>2423063 (OP)
+UK JET Results coming out, anyone else here get shortlisted?
+--- 2430230
+>>2429925
+There are some eikaiwas that prefer CELTA holders, like Shane. But yeah, the point would be to use anyone to get a visa.
+>>2430010
+Congrats on getting shortlisted!
+--- 2430298
+>>2430230
+any eikaiwa would prefer someone with a celta. certified teacher for the same price they'd pay a new graduate.
+--- 2430401
+What if I don't want to work at a eikaiwa if I have a CELTA
+--- 2430719
+>>2430401
+Then go work as an ALT and then be so good the school wants to direct hire you.
+--- 2430792
+>>2430719
+Where would I find that job?
+--- 2430830
+>>2430792
+niggy what? go do some research or homework. There are dozens of ALT companies or you can grind and reach out to public schools/BOE and ask for a direct hire. I'm not doing all the legwork for you.
+--- 2432195
+Bump
+--- 2432710
+Can someone give a qrd on on teaching in the Middle East?
+
+I heard it’s hard to work there but it pays a good amount.
+--- 2432872
+>>2432710
+you pretty much summed it up. hard work but for good pay. live in a compound usually. have to be bussed out of the compound if you want to go anywhere.
+--- 2433067
+>>2432872
+>live in a compound usually. have to be bussed out of the compound if you want to go anywhere.
+I spent a year in Saudi Arabia and this describes my life outside of teaching. Literally living in a compound in the desert. And you will learn just how retarded Saudi kids are because their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents were cousins and nobody in their family has ever worked a day in their life.
+But working in Saudi Arabia got me a big down payment on my second house, doubled my rental incomes, and was a good retirement investment.
+>>2432710
+>Can someone give a qrd on on teaching in the Middle East?
+You usually need a graduate degree. Some places will hire you without one (especially positions for women - education is segregated in most places, and it's harder to attract female teachers) but the pay will be significantly lower. Working in Saudi Arabia sucked ass. UAE is where you want to go, but there's fewer jobs there because a few years back they got rid of the English requirement to study in local universities. Your salary is tax free. In Saudi Arabia, you will hardly spend any of it. In other Gulf countries, you will be tempted to take weekend and holiday vacations to the Mediterranean, and there is decent nightlife in Dubai and other cities.
+Do not teach in Saudi Arabia if you are Muslim. I can't speak the rest of the Gulf, but they will police you if you're a coreligionist... pressure you to pray, attend mosques, that kind of shit. I saw it happen to colleagues.
+You also don't want to be a darker shade of skin than them if you get upset by casual racism, but most Arabs are pretty dark, and if you're really dark (like African) then you'll be off the spectrum and judged by how you dress. It's guys who are South Asian levels of dark that experience a lot of snubs in the Gulf - they look like foreign workers (who are treated like serfs) and Arabs are really sensitive to slight variations in skin color among their own kind.
+--- 2433074
+>>2433067
+>You usually need a graduate degree.
+
+Can it be a grad degree in anything or does it have to be TESOL?
+--- 2433076
+>>2433074
+Depends on what and who you are teaching. For TEFL positions, it can usually be a grad degree in anything.
+--- 2433391
+>>2433076
+How would my Film MA fare?
+--- 2433397
+>>2433391
+If you have any teaching experience, you've already learned how not to highlight the topic of your graduate degree in your resume. If you don't have any teaching experience, you're not likely to get a job in the Gulf.
+--- 2434171
+Well I'm applying for EPIK, the govt program in Korea, after getting rejected last October after my interview. 
+
+Their rejection email said it was a "particularly competitive intake" though god knows wtf that means. I'm doing it through a recruiter now and they've been pretty hellpful. Any tips for the interview? I remember most of what they taught me last time and I can't think of anything particularly poor about how I did in my last interview. I know I need to appear high energy and cheerful and never come off like I just want a vacation. I do like working with kids, I do like reading and writing, I have studied korean for 4 years. I really want to get in this time. I'm 24 and I don't want to waste another 6 months working part time if I get rejected again. My recruiter is gonna do a check in with me before the intierview on Monday.
+--- 2434688
+>>2433397
+I did assistant teaching while working on the MA
+--- 2435377
+by all means i'm considered a burned out loser in usa and early 30's. im not a drug addict or fatty. just never could really get shit together. i dont have any desire to teach, but should i go overseas anyways for a year?
+--- 2435414
+>>2435377
+The vast majority of people who go to Asia and teach will wind up mostly teaching kids (at least 50% of your classes, maybe 100%). Most of those teachers will not enjoy it. Within a few weeks they will be desperate for a new job. Most will come to terms with it and finish their year and then gladly go back home, or if they have nothing to go back home to, will feel stuck and look for a way out. Some will get a grip on it and stay for a few years, but only because they're comfortable with the particular school, classes, material, and routine they have been doing. If they lost their job and had to look for a new one, the stress of teaching would hit them all over again.
+There's a small minority (like myself) who enjoy teaching and don't really consider it work. I don't mind standing up in front of a group of people, talking, and being positive and energetic. I tend to like people and people tend to like me. Other personalities who do well in teaching are know-it-alls (insufferable assholes they might be), high energy types who never stop to worry about anything, people who have worked much worse jobs or are on the run from something, and the rare person who genuinely wants to help others learn.
+If none of these describe you, then be careful about taking a teaching job just to go to another country. It's not like an office job where you can settle into a routine. Be prepared to be on your feet and talking with people all day, every day, and dealing with different personalities. You might need to plan your own lessons, which will take up all your free time. Or you will have lessons planned for you and you'll be expected to memorize them and do them exactly like they're written. You might luck out and get a super casual job where you're teaching adult students and just having conversations, but those jobs/schools tend not to be stable and before long you'll be living hand-to-mouth doing private tutoring.
+Just be aware of what you're getting in to.
+--- 2435704
+>>2435414
+thanks anon. where are you teaching at now and how long have you been teaching?
+--- 2435887
+>>2435704
+Over 10 years and currently in Japan. At this point in my life, I mostly teach as a side income and to keep a work visa. To people who want to make teaching a career, my advice is to work hard and save money your first few years and buy rental properties in your home country (assuming it's a good investment in your home country). Once you have side incomes and you're building wealth for the future, life becomes easier and you're more free to pursue your own interests.
+You can't save much money working a teaching job in Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, or many other countries. You can start in one of those countries to get a year or two of experience and qualify for better jobs, but then do your time in China, Vietnam, Cambodia (at a good school), or the Middle East - somewhere you can save at least several thousand a year.
+--- 2436022
+>>2435887
+>at least several thousand per year
+>buy rental property
+
+just a warning, this guy is larping and does not do this. buying real estate isn't cheap, and you aren't gonna save the 50k a year needed to buy property in your home country (also good luck getting a mortgage with a foreign english teacher job)
+
+Why do people lie on the internet?
+--- 2436114
+>>2436022
+Not a larp. I saved enough in my early years to get two mortgages in my home country. And I qualified for the mortgages while listing my occupation as a teacher (and providing proof of income). Both downpayments were less than $50K, the first one significantly less. I'm not the only person who has done this - I've got another relative who teaches in another country who has bought several condos (all on mortgages), and I know several others who have done so too. I don't know why you find this hard to believe. Not everyone lives in LA or Vancouver and can't afford to buy property.
+--- 2436246
+>>2436114
+I could see saving 20k+ usd easily a year in China. I saw someone saying they were a first time teacher with no experience and Shane was offering them $3200 after taxes. No housing allowance but who cares when apartments are less than $300. Too bad the entire Z visa process is absolute ass.
+--- 2436543
+>>2423063 (OP)
+Anyone have any good/horror stories from their time doing ESL overseas?
+--- 2436885
+I'm interested in going to Japan for September but I want to circumvent all the JET and Eikiawa bullshit jobs while also finding an employer who will sponsor my visa before entering the country. What are the better sites and ways to use to get directly in contact with schools? I have a degree, tefl certificate and almost 4 years experience in the biz at this point. Is this a tall order or do I just have to eat shit for that first job for the sake of a visa?
+--- 2436888
+>>2436885
+Do you have a STEM/CS degree?
+--- 2436890
+>>2436888
+No
+--- 2436895
+>>2436885
+So you want to be in immediate contact with the BOE for available positions? You're probably better off getting an ALT job for the visa, working at the 2+ schools you'll be put at and then asking them to directly hire you after your contract is over.
+--- 2436899
+>>2436895
+Good idea but how much of a headache is the process of changing employer before the end of the contract?
+--- 2436904
+>>2436899
+In Japan? None. Just tell them you're quitting. There is nothing they can do. Then you get 90 days to search for another job before you have to change it to a tourist visa.
+--- 2436919
+Any experiences teaching in Poland?
+--- 2436937
+Why is it so much more controversial to go teach in Asia, compared to Latin America or Africa? Is there a good reason for this?
+--- 2436947
+>>2436937
+LBH gatekeep asia as their secret paradise
+--- 2437023
+Anyone here ever taught in Latin America? If so how was it? Or does anyone have a rec for best countries/cities to look into?
+I've been reading the pay is shit and that's fine if I can break even. Seems like working at a language school would be the best option, >>2425321 sounds ideal but not sure how feasible that is to survive in LATAM
+I just want a new scene for a year or so like the other 30 y/os here. Strangely I think it would pad my resume as I've worked in the education industry before (not teaching), and another goal is to become fluent in Spanish as I already know a conversational amount. As a burger I missed the application deadline for Auxiliares in Spain so kind of flubbed that one but whatever. I have a BA and MA in subjects not related to teaching, and no certification yet. I'd love somewhat sizable city with surrounding nature, greenery/mountains over beaches, in terms of living space I only need the bare minimum
+--- 2437313
+>>2437023
+Mexico seems to have the highest average pay in LATAM, but the requirements are tough because there's a lot of licensed US teachers you'll be competing against. Most of the rest of South America pays beans, but I know some teachers who have worked in Brazil and Colombia and enjoyed their time there (although one has a scar on his head from a ricocheting bullet in Colombia - poor guy is bald too, he can't hide it).
+--- 2437367
+What's the easiest country in latam to just fly in with 5 grand and coast as long as u can. Of the top of my head Venezuela sounds good
+--- 2437368
+>>2437367
+Argentina. 5 grand though? Kinda grim bro. Hope you're ok.
+--- 2437494
+>>2425979
+Oh brother. Everything's gotten so much more expensive in the past few years, relative to what we make. If I were you, I'd be figuring out a way to get a remote income ASAP.
+--- 2437496
+>>2427152
+>Yeah but I'm worried if I go to Japan or Korea I'll have to compete with US military guys for expat women.
+Have you ever actually met any enlisted guys? They are NOT the kind of men a nerdy English teacher abroad would go for. Maybe an officer, but young ones are extremely rare and most of them are married. 
+
+Think of how much of a retard you have to be in order to sign away your freedom for X amount of years, when you could easily be making twice the money in the private sector if only you had your shit together. 
+
+I wouldn't worry about them.
+--- 2437593
+>>2436246
+Could definitely try countries like Vietnam. I save 30k a year and the environment, I would think, is a lot better than China.
+--- 2437603
+>>2433067
+>Arabs are really sensitive to slight variations in skin color among their own kind.
+So just like Latinos and blacks then
+--- 2437605
+Hey bros, I have a bachelor's in history and zero teaching experience. Can I do TEFL and where? I'm only mildly weebish and don't think I'd actually like Japan as much as some other cunts but I've never been to Asia.
+--- 2437606
+>>2435414
+>people who are on the run from something
+Just curious, what do you mean by that?
+--- 2437609
+>>2437593
+I did online teaching with Apax, with the promise of them hiring me in 1-3 months. Instead, they went bankrupt. Biggest waste of time.
+>>2437605
+You can do TEFL anywhere brah. Groupon even has a TEFL course. Japan is terrible for ESL. Cool place to live though.
+--- 2437610
+>>2437609
+Sorry to be a fag but can you spoonfeed me a little? What's a good place for a rookie teacher that has a good ratio of pay vs cost of living? And then where do I apply?
+--- 2437617
+>>2437367
+>Of the top of my head Venezuela sounds good
+Are you kidding?
+--- 2437618
+>>2437610
+I thought you meant you were looking for a TEFL course. Pay to cost of living and in Asia? Vietnam, Cambodia, Taiwan (if you dont live in the major cities). where do you apply? google the countries name and cram school or the countries name and then ESL job. I'll give you a warning though. Lesson planning fucking SUCKS and you have to be on all the time. Maybe you can get chatgpt to plan some lessons and activities for you though.
+--- 2437625
+>>2437618
+>thought you meant you were looking for a TEFL course
+I was really confused by the Groupon thing but now it makes more sense.
+>you have to be on all the time
+This is honestly my single biggest concern. I'm a language nigga for fun myself so I think I may enjoy doing this but I'm also a depressed fag.
+--- 2437627
+>>2437625
+It's not as bad as it seems. A lot of the time, the students will bring you out of whatever funk you're in that makes you not want to be at your best. Especially when you start seeing their personalities and it becomes more than a place they come to for forced English.
+--- 2437629
+>>2437625
+Oh, I forgot to add. The absolute best pay to COL ratio is China. Should never accept less than 3k a month and you get an apartment or a small apartment stipend. I read somewhere recently that a guy with no experience took a job in China at Shane English. Little over 3k a month after taxes. Crazy.
+--- 2437631
+>>2437629
+Thanks buddy, all very helpful. Do I need a certificate to do this shit?
+--- 2437632
+>>2437631
+you're usually overqualified if you're white and have a bachelors. but its not gonna hurt to do a bullshit TEFL course online. some may ask for it and push for it....some may just see your bachelors and take you.
+--- 2437634
+Anybody know about TEFL in Turkey?
+--- 2437664
+Does this general have a favorite 120-hour certification course to recommend? My little bit of reading just now suggests that some of them are bullshit scams.
+--- 2437723
+>>2437664
+>some of them
+They're all scams, you won't learn much that will make you a good teacher, people just do them for the piece of paper that helps them get a job. Most courses are set up like this, consisting of a 5 minute video then few multiple choice questions. So if you only care about getting a 120 hour course on your cv, just go for the cheapest. If you want to be more serious, then look into a CELTA or a certTESOL.
+--- 2437844
+>>2437609
+Yeah that sucks :/ they owe some teachers hundreds of millions, and the starting salary itself was actually quite low like $2,000 a month
+--- 2438014
+>>2437844
+When I had factored it out, I was putting away at least $1000 a month so it was a good gig for me. At the time they were offering a little over $2k a month after taxes. Plus they gave lesson plans. Prepping is seriously the worst part of teaching. The rest is easy.
+--- 2438018
+Can ESLs teach tefl? I do have a C1 certificate tho
+--- 2438044
+>>2437664
+Got a Full Circle TEFL certificate from groupon several years ago. I chose it because they had the least stupid name. Finished the course in a weekend and got a fancy 120-hour PDF certificate with my name on it. It has been enough to get me jobs in countries that require a TEFL.
+--- 2438078
+>>2438044
+>groupon
+I still don't actually understand what this is.
+--- 2438082
+>>2438078
+Just a website for deals brah. I did the same exact full circle TEFL he did. It takes no time at all and is only like $20.
+--- 2438083
+>>2438018
+Yeah if you can prove your ability with a certificate or show them you've been in learning environments (school) that was taught in English. When I taught in Japan, there were a few "teachers" that I couldn't understand at all.
+--- 2438102
+Is this job really as easy to get hired for as people are making it out to be? I have the basic requirements but I suck ass at getting jobs.
+--- 2438112
+So when people say the CoL to salary ratio is best in China and dogshit in Japan, how big is the difference? 
+
+I'd rather live in Osaka than some random Tier-3 city on the mainland. With my monotone voice, I think it'd be very difficult for me to pick up on Mandarin.
+--- 2438115
+>>2438102
+If you're white, have a pulse, and from an English speaking country then you'll find a job easily. That doesn't mean you'll be good at it, or enjoy it though.
+--- 2438135
+Lots of these schools say you have to commit for a year. What if I get another SWE job during this time? (I was laid off)
+
+What's to stop me from fucking off back to America, or somewhere else if I do?
+--- 2438143
+>>2438115
+I am white and I do have a pulse. If I can't get one should I kms?
+Also do they not like black teachers? Just curious, it has nothing to do with me.
+--- 2438207
+>>2438112
+Your first year in Japan, you'll save an ok amount but the 2nd year you get actually taxed so a lot of your savings/income goes. When people talk about living in Japan, just like you, they only want to live in the big expensive cities that every other japanese and foreigner want to live in. Why would you go to china and instantly live in a tier 3 city? that is about the most pants on head retarded idea. live an hour outside a major city or a tier 2. 
+>>2438135
+99.99% will be for a year. get another job? just fuck off back to wherever you wanna go. there is literally nothing they can do and they wouldnt pursue you even if they could. you wouldnt be the first or last person to just vanish.
+>>2438143
+if you cant land an english teaching job, you seriously need to reevaluate your interview and people skills. no country likes black people. but i'm seeing more and more black teachers.
+--- 2438305
+>>2438207
+>Why would you go to china and instantly live in a tier 3 city? that is about the most pants on head retarded idea.
+It seems to be the place where I'll most likely get hired, but I'll keep looking. Of course, I'd prefer to be in a major city like Beijing or Shanghai.
+--- 2438311
+Should I get a cheap TEFL cert. if I'm already going to get a CELTA?
+--- 2438320
+>>2438305
+Any tier 2 city will be wanting to hire you. Going straight into a tier 3 city sounds like a nightmare. Nobody there will speak English and you'll be dealing with all the typical tier 3 BS. Have you checked out echinacities? You can sort by cities and they have tons of listings.
+>>2438311
+No. CELTA trumps a TEFL, so it makes no sense. Especially when a TEFL is generally just an extra piece of paperwork needed to satisfy visa or schools.
+--- 2438328
+>>2438207
+>Why would you go to china and instantly live in a tier 3 city? that is about the most pants on head retarded idea
+Not him but why is this retarded?
+--- 2438332
+>>2438328
+No teaching experience, I'm guessing no overseas experience, and no China experience. The farther down you go in tiers, the more China you get. I just don't recommend it for first timers. Get a year or two in China and then go to tier 3-4.
+--- 2438343
+>>2438332
+>The farther down you go in tiers, the more China you get.
+This sounds turbo-based. What's wrong with it?
+--- 2438344
+>>2438320
+>CELTA trumps a TEFL
+What's the difference?
+--- 2438351
+Starting my second year in Japan. This is probably one of the most fun jobs I’ve ever had, I’ll never understand why it seems like 80% of the ALTs I meet seem to dread getting out of bed in the morning.
+--- 2438359
+>>2438343
+dude i explained it twice already. i said i dont believe it's good for a first timer. if you like it, go for it. if you think it's a good idea, go for it. 
+>>2438344
+google it
+>>2438351
+>alt
+that's why its fun and easy
+--- 2438360
+>>2438343
+Teaching anywhere in China sounds awful, and there are countries that pay better
+--- 2438366
+Basically it goes like this:
+>Money
+China>Japan>Korea
+>Fun
+Japan>China>Korea
+>Working conditions
+Japan=China>>>Korea
+--- 2438368
+>>2438360
+>and there are countries that pay better
+Japan?
+--- 2438386
+>>2438368
+lol no. Japan pays pretty bad, and that’s not even factoring in cost of living. Somewhere like Vietnam pays a lot more
+--- 2438389
+>>2438386
+Is Vietnam the best pay/cost ratio these days?
+--- 2438394
+>>2438389
+I think it’s just straight up the best pay, and when you factor in cost of living I’d say so.
+--- 2438400
+Anyone else finding it super hard to land a job in China? Went there in 2019 and had multiple job offers, but this time I'm struggling to even get one offer with 3 years of teaching experience. Every shitty training center is asking for teaching videos and stellar demo lessons. I heard the market in China has become competitive, dont know if true. Also I'm [spoiler]brown[/spoiler] which might be making it more difficult
+--- 2438411
+>>2438400
+>Went there in 2019 and had multiple job offers, but this time I'm struggling to even get one offer with 3 years of teaching experience.
+fuck me don't say that, i'm really counting on this
+--- 2438413
+>>2438400
+>Also I'm [spoiler]brown[/spoiler] which might be making it more difficult
+oh
+--- 2438417
+Ok guys so I briefly had a professional career, which has since crashed and burned. Will it hurt my chances if I put my 4 months of software engineering on my resume? I'm worried they'll think I'll cut and run when something better comes up (to be fair, I probably will).
+--- 2438424
+>>2438400
+you went there on an L visa and they were promising you to convert it to a Z visa in country?
+>>2438417
+I've heard of schools being scared to hire people with IT experience. I've been asked about my resume sounding "IT based" but desu, they may ask you about it, but just explain it off. Some work experience is better than none.
+--- 2438427
+>>2438366
+Much better opportunities in SEA. 10-20 years ago yeah, but not so much these days
+--- 2438431
+>>2438424
+No, why do you assume that? I entered on a Z visa in 2019, Covid happened right after so I didnt leave for 3 years. Came back home in December bc I got tired of China and needed a break, now trying to go back
+--- 2438442
+>>2438431
+I misread it. Hope you can get back there.
+--- 2438453
+How is CIEE for TEFL? I like that so much seems to be included and especially that the TEFL certificate comes with it. Are these kinds of programs good for a first timer? Are there better/comparable ones?
+--- 2438544
+I just passed my EPIK interview after failing last intake and even though I put Seoul as my preference I told them I'm comfortable goin anywhere. 
+
+I'm terrified now. IDK if I can be a good teacher. Lessons are the only thing that scares me idgaf about living alone or sleeping on the floor in an office-tel.
+--- 2438545
+>>2438544
+>I'm terrified now. IDK if I can be a good teacher.
+This is very normal, all you can do is wing it until you gain some sense of control. Could take months, could take a year but the imposter syndrome will likely fade away.
+--- 2438549
+>>2438545
+thanks. I'm really scared of just jumping into the deep end cold turkey. Even though I spend a lot of time around primary schoolers I've never done something so structured. I hope my coteacher has my back and I don't get a perpetually grumpy asshole.
+
+My korean is decent and I have some korean profs who can give me advice.
+--- 2438705
+Is it possible to bring a small dog overseas? I've flown with my shih-tzu domestically but like how does a dog take a piss on a long flight? Is a pet just kind of a deal breaker for this sort of thing?
+--- 2438754
+>>2423063 (OP)
+Guys has anyone had luck teaching English in Japan as a non native speaker? I have a bachelors degree and C1 English, and I studied Japanese for 3 years, I know the basics, but I’m from a Spanish speaking country
+--- 2438755
+>>2438705
+Bro you just pay extra and put a diaper on the dog
+--- 2438765
+>>2438754
+You won't be granted a work visa to teach English in Japan unless you're from/educated in an English speaking country. If you get a visa some other way (spouse, working holiday, or a work visa issued for another job), then you can get a job teaching in Japan. Your roadblock is getting that first visa.
+Unless you're on the verge of marrying a Japanese girl and getting a spouse visa, you're probably better off retraining in IT and getting a networking or coding job in Japan. (I assume you just really want to live here and you're looking for low-hanging fruit to get in.)
+--- 2438767
+>>2438705
+>Is a pet just kind of a deal breaker for this sort of thing?
+Forget about the logistics of the flight. Your problems will all come down to where you want to take the dog. I know a girl who brought a dog to Japan and it took her a year of paperwork, shots, and she needed to add a layover for the airline to allow it.
+--- 2438908
+>>2438767
+Jesus
+--- 2438911
+>>2438767
+Because Japan has been rabies free for a long time. You actually have to kennel your dog in a quarantine type place for 6-12 months before even bringing it over.
+--- 2439341
+After two months they called me back for an interview.
+In latvia
+--- 2439574
+Anyone with experience or anecdotes on non degree having fags getting TEFL/ESL jobs? Particularly in Vietnam.
+I’ve heard a theory the degree is only needed for the actual work visa, but you can work for language centres while on a tourist visa (resulting in you needing to re-enter every 30 days)
+--- 2439596
+>>2439574
+it's extremely illegal to work anywhere on a tourist visa. you're risking deportation and getting banned from the country.
+--- 2439598
+>>2439596
+If all that happens is you get kicked out, how is it "extremely" illegal? That's just like your vacation has to end early. Boo fucking hoo.
+--- 2439600
+>>2439598
+>getting banned from the country
+if you're too stupid to read all of what I wrote, you shouldn't be teaching.
+--- 2439601
+I am so delighted to be getting out of this gig. I like all my students but I just fundamentally don't give a shit if they learn any English or not. Which kind of breaks the fundamental feedback loop of the job. Shame because I really like the grammar autism side of it
+--- 2439605
+>>2439600
+I did read the whole thing. Did I not understand something? It looks like you're saying you get sent home and can't come back. How is that the fucking end of the world? I'm also not the nigga you were talking to, and not considering doing this. I just don't see the big deal based on your post.
+--- 2439607
+>>2439605
+You seem to be focusing on the "extremely illegal" part, which is accurate when describing getting banned from an entire country as extreme. never said it was the end of the world.
+--- 2439609
+>>2439607
+You seemed to be suggesting that nobody would ever want to be caught dead doing something like that because of the dire consequences but if that's not what you meant then alright.
+--- 2439613
+>>2439609
+i guess getting banned from a country is a bigger deal to me. you wont get beat up or a lifelong prison sentence or anything. just deportation and banned.
+--- 2439634
+>>2439596
+I’m the guy you replied to, where are you hearing it’s illegal because I’ve heard from a number of expats that the fine print exclude language centres from not being able to employ those on a tourist visa. Schools sure, but there’s some loophole for language centres from what I hear.
+--- 2439636
+>>2439601
+What’d you pivot to anon? The ROI is just genuinely too good in TEFL/ESL imo. Throw 50-75% of your pay into BTC or ETH and congrats you’ve escaped wageslavery in under 5 years.
+Who teaching is NOT for us niggas who want the exorbitant lifestyle who can’t suck up eating street food a few times a week.
+--- 2439638
+>>2439636
+*is, not “us”
+--- 2439672
+>>2424773
+How reasonable is it to get be wanting 28-30k a month teaching in a Kindergarten in a tier 1 city?
+
+I have seen these figures on job postings, but is that actually what they pay or is it to suck you in and for them to then be like 'actually thats only for someone who has 5 years teaching experience, here is the job for 16k'?
+
+
+Because I really want to teach in a kindergarten (I know its often more hands on and draining - but I only want to do it for 1 or 2 years max). But I would only want to do it in China if its well paid. Otherwise Id rather get a job in Thailand as I have been there many times and feel more comfortable and know I would enjoy my lifestyle outside of work more there - even thought he pay on advertisements is absurdly low. Like comically low.
+
+
+Also just general advice on teaching job in china from anybody. I have just finished a course. 28, white male, not a weeb in the slightest, but have a bit of yellow fever (gay, not into pussy) and so therefore wanting to be in a major city in order to fuck as many twinks as possible.
+--- 2439690
+>>2439672
+Yeah that price range seems fair, if not more. I've heard of schools trying to give a different contract once the teacher arrives. Chengdu is good for gays, from what Chinese people have told me. idk if it's a meme though like how some people might say to go to San Francisco for gays.
+--- 2439693
+>>2439690
+Thanks for the answer, I guess I won't know until I actually apply for jobs, I litterally only finished the course yesterday and working a lot at the moment so will start applying next week (hopefully) to start in August all going well. Chengdu seems a bit isolated from other cities which would be the only draw back from it. Im sort of thinking the Hangzhou/Shanghai/ suzhou region as good for weekend trips and stuff.
+
+Nice to know thats the figure to be aiming for and to just only accept a job that offers it. Hope it happens as have been sort of thinking about it before covid and I figure its now or never. Im not getting any younger and I already know I dont want to have a career in this field. I just want to live in a very different country for a while and it would be a bonus if I can save a bit of money.
+--- 2439708
+>>2439693
+Make sure you get housing or a housing stipend along with your pay. You could even haggle for your pay to be 30k after taxes. Worth a shot. Chinese love bartering. Try echinacities for jobs. They always have tons of listings. I think your plan is good.
+--- 2439740
+>>2439672
+>Because I really want to teach in a kindergarten (I know its often more hands on and draining - but I only want to do it for 1 or 2 years max). But I would only want to do it in China if its well paid. Otherwise Id rather get a job in Thailand as I have been there many times and feel more comfortable and know I would enjoy my lifestyle outside of work more there - even thought he pay on advertisements is absurdly low. Like comically low.
+I've never worked in China, but I've got to say that you should work anywhere else in Asia besides Thailand. Their pay is ridiculously low, and the working conditions aren't the best either. Nobody can live on the pay they give you, not for long. The only longterm teachers there are retirees with other incomes. The schools have a huge turnover rate but they don't care because another backpacker or recent grad comes along and puts in two months before splitting - there's enough turnover that they'll never raise the pay. You're better off teaching in any of the surrounding countries. If you feel comfortable in Thailand, you can feel comfortable in another SEA country.
+--- 2439756
+>>2439672
+pro tips: always insist on using a condom with chinese gays, they fuck bareback like crazy and stds are rampant within the gay chinese community. also never give them money, lots of them make up stories about needing money for medication and it's all lies
+--- 2439760
+reminder that the people calling you a loser-back-home are furious coping wagies
+
+we're all gonna make it, teflbros
+--- 2439773
+>>2439708
+Am I reading this right? China seriously pays 30k/month (350k+/yr) for White dudebro teachers??
+--- 2439775
+>>2439773
+30k in gook money, which is 4k usd (still a lot) per month
+--- 2439782
+>>2439760
+I got accepted for EPIK a few days ago. I'm 24 and graduated last summer with a BA. I either get some dystopian soulless city by the NK border or a backwood with beautiful scenery and grassy roads.
+
+I wonder if ladies over there would date somebody from LA?
+--- 2439804
+>white fag wants access to Chinese children
+
+Be careful or you will be skinned alive.
+--- 2439887
+>>2439804
+I thought the same thing. Yikes
+--- 2439955
+>>2439804
+Is that what happens to pedos in China?
+--- 2439997
+>>2439773
+gotta use your noodle. we are talking rmb here. but it's still a ton because even if you live like a king, you're still putting back at least 1k a month. I really want to teach in China but I can't be bothered to do the visa process again. It's expensive and takes fucking forever.
+--- 2440052
+>>2439804
+>>2439887
+>>2439955
+Or maybe, just maybe; since im gay, im actually really good with children and know I can be a great teacher unlike the retard straight autistic fucks posting here? I know Id be a good Kind teacher and it also seems like the highest paid teaching job without being a qualified teacher in china.
+
+Im definitely a twink chaser for sure, no denying that. But the leap to think thats a pedo is retarded. I always forget this place is full of flyover neckbeards who think gay people are pedos......but think their obsession with teen asian pussy is totally normal.
+--- 2440061
+>>2440052
+What does being gay have to do with being good with children, jokes and memes aside?
+--- 2440062
+>>2440052
+>being attracted to young, fertile women is abnormal
+>putting your dick in a mans diseased hole is not
+--- 2440063
+American education, everyone
+--- 2440070
+>>2440063
+Thanks to us, kids all over the world can now get an >American education
+--- 2440071
+>>2440061
+Gays are more empathetic and fun on average.
+
+>>2440062
+There is nothing abnormal about wanting to fuck a young woman - thats the point. They cant see how its similar when a gay top wants to fuck a twink. You arent a pedo for your desires, and gay men arent pedos for theirs. Its the double standard.
+--- 2440075
+>>2440052
+Are you good looking? Have you fucked many asian twinks?
+--- 2440098
+>>2440075
+Pretty good looking I guess. Fucked tons of asians when I lived in our capital city, but haven't since moved back to my home town. Not many here.
+
+Also fucked lots in SEA when backpacking. Just have to wade through the Ladyboys and MoneyBoys on grindr and its pretty easy to get laid - you dont have to be hot. Just white and a top gets you pretty far if Im being honest.
+--- 2440345
+>>2440098
+Sometimes I think a faggots life would be simple af like that, but then I realise all the time they gotta spend with faggots and they’re often more drama than females. We only have one gay in our workplace and he is just the fucking most extra insufferable cunt. Not only that but incredibly incompetent and perpetually underperforming while keeping trying to maintain this “shit don’t stink” composure. Why does the sexuality so often come with this obnoxious personality? Genuinely curious because you don’t really seem to have it on you.
+--- 2440363
+>>2440071
+>Gays are more empathetic and fun on average.
+I don't hate fags and I support gay rights, but you're making it difficult for me
+--- 2440586
+only on /trv/ will an ESL thread turn into a coomer thread
+--- 2440589
+>>2440586
+English as a Sexy Language
+--- 2440622
+>>2440345
+Drag race culture, and the lgbt "community" which is only accepting if you're promiscuous and attention seeking and watch Rupaul's Drag Race. Anon, I'm gay in a monogamous relationship and not flamboyant at all, not all of us are like that and I hate that terrible culture just as much as you. I've been told by those kind of gays that I'm "self hating" and "not a real gay" because I don't watch Drag Race and have fucking complete strangers everyday as my only hobby. It's toxic and I fucking hate it.
+--- 2440685
+>>2440345
+I bet he is a bottom lol. The dirty little secret is (not surprisingly) tops are more chill and less 'gay' in terms of personality - though that only goes so far. Im sure people can tell Im gay, but im not particularly feminine and have pretty normie interests. I try to not be a 'im not like other fags' type fag, as thats cringe, but yes, I have very little in common with the average bottom. Everything has its pluses and minuses. There are things about being gay which make sex and relationships seem so much easier than straight ones, and others which just make it so much fucking harder. 
+
+>>2440363
+I stand by what I said
+
+>>2440622
+Eh, I find Drag Race to be more popular with straight girls than gay guys - but then anything popular with straight girls is popular with a certain subset of gay guys so its a self fulfilling thing.....
+--- 2440693
+>>2440685
+As a bottom in this post >>2440622
+ you should stop bottom shaming. It's not just a bottom thing, there are plenty of tops who are flamboyant and plenty of bottoms who aren't
+--- 2440803
+>>2440693
+>bottom shaming
+kys
+--- 2440808
+can you retards get back on topic?
+--- 2440815
+>>2440808
+This but unironically.
+--- 2440834
+>>2440808
+Im going to korea in august for EPIK. I'm really scared about my ability to do tehe job itself. I actually look forward to being away from my family and living in some grassy backwood or one of the big cities. Orientation is a week, I believe. What do you guys usually wear on the job? I don't have any non-sneaker shoes, but I got some jeans that can serve me well.
+--- 2441038
+>>2440834
+I’m not in Korea, but I have often taught in sneakers. Not flashy enormous puffy athletic shoes, more subdued than that, but I think you can get away with whatever you like for the first few days, buy yourself something more appropriate on the ground if what you have doesn’t cut it.
+--- 2441050
+>>2440834
+Are you literally 12 years old? How do you not know how to dress like a grownup yet?
+
+>comfortable black leather shoes
+>nice dark jeans or chinos
+>collared shirt
+>sports jacket
+
+It's not that hard.
+--- 2441052
+Probably a stretch on here, but has anyone ever taught for the US government overseas? Think it's called DodEA. The competition is shithot but the bennies look good too.
+--- 2441129
+>>2440834
+Did a search for EPIK dress code and got this:
+>Dress pants, khakis, collared shirts (short or long sleeve), golf shirts, sweaters (no hoodies), clean shoes, vests, other. Clean cut jeans are also accepted by 'most' schools. Note: Wearing a tie to work is not mandatory; however, it's wise to dress professionally a few times each week.
+Better than JET: https://fukuokajet.com/newcomers/dress-code/
+--- 2441179
+>>2441129
+That sounds great. I can do sweaters and polo shirts and khakis and jeans if they allow it
+
+>>2441050
+Nigga I don't own any clothing like that because it's my first time working a white-collar job like this. I'm 24. 
+
+>>2441038
+I'm really debating what to bring with me, what I can just buy over there, and what I can have my family mail me from home after I arrive. I've only been on a plane once for a 1 week vacation so IDK shit about what warrants packing.
+
+The weather is also going to be a problem. It will be summer when I arrive but fall and winter are gonna get super cold. I live in commifornia so it never rains and 50 degrees is cold for us. 
+>>2441052
+The only US program I know of is Fullbright, but I think that's for college students/recent grads.
+--- 2441360
+How much work is involved in being an ESL teacher? Can a lazy fucker like me get by with the smallest amount of effort? Is the job actually fun?
+--- 2441362
+>>2441360
+In places like China, Japan and Korea definitely. You won’t get paid much though.
+--- 2441367
+>>2441360
+a lot of work if you have to make lesson plans from scratch with no guidance. but if the school has text books, (sometimes) pre made lesson plans, teacher guide, curriculum, etc. It's not bad. It's mostly class management and always being on.
+--- 2441375
+>>2441367
+This was honestly my biggest concern, I'm this anon >>2440834 BTW
+
+Classroom management will be tricky but it will come easily and i've spent enough time around primary schoolers to have some ideas on incentivizing and getting them to participate. 
+
+It's ages 13+ that I'm not sure about. I imagine HS students are too overworked and burnt out to even be awake during class.
+
+>always being on
+what do you mean?
+--- 2441380
+>>2441375
+Majority of places will have some form of guidelines you need to follow or textbook you will use, so you will always have an idea of what to do. I worked in Japan for a year at a school with no curriculum, no textbooks, no class roster, and almost no supplies. Loved living in Japan, but the entire working experience has fucked me up. I don't think you're going to run into that same situation. EPIK will 100% have guides you need to follow, or the native teacher will have her plans that you should base lessons around. Don't sweat it. Don't quit either. Your first 3 months will be brutal. But after that, comfy living and an amazing time. I know you can do it anon.
+--- 2441383
+>>2441375
+Sorry, forgot to add the "on" part. You have to be the energetic whitey that asians think all foreigners are. you'll be wearing a smile all day and your energy (faked or not) will be at max.
+--- 2441387
+>>2441375
+also want to add, having trouble with a lesson or how to teach something? use chatgpt. seriously. it'll spit out fairly decent lesson plans and activities.

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+-----
+--- 2425399
+Has anyone been to Antartica?
+--- 2426530
+>>2425399 (OP)
+yes
+--- 2426542
+>>2425399 (OP)
+no
+--- 2426545
+>>2425399 (OP)
+three times
+--- 2426571
+>>2425399 (OP)
+maybe
+--- 2426604
+A friend of my brother just came back from working there for like 5 months. Seemed ok.
+--- 2426700
+>>2425399 (OP)
+no its just a rumor
+--- 2426712
+>>2425399 (OP)
+Yeah, did one season there working at McMurdo Station.
+
+>>2426545
+Email me back (((you)))
+--- 2426740
+>>2426530
+>>2426545
+>>2426604
+>>2426712
+Elaborate.
+--- 2426986
+>>2426740
+Elaborate on what? You want me to just explain literally everything about the continent? 
+>"Yes I've been to France"
+>(You): "Elaborate."
+--- 2426990
+>>2426986
+If you were there, give us the full picture
+--- 2426994
+>>2425399 (OP)
+I went to McMurdo station when i was in the military. Weird place.
+--- 2426997
+>>2426990
+Are you wanting to know about working there, going there, or do you just want to know what the continent is like geographically?
+--- 2427009
+>>2426994
+> Weird place.
+How so?
+>>2426997
+Experiences that can’t be Googled.
+--- 2427025
+>>2425399 (OP)
+I worked at mcmurdo station for a 6 month contract. 
+
+It was boring, like living on a military FOB, which I have also done. 
+
+You aren't allowed to walk around off the job site. Especially not on the pyram-I mean the hill.
+--- 2427027
+>>2427025
+> Especially not on the pyram-I mean the hill.
+Pray, do tell.
+--- 2427028
+To elaborate, its a self contained very small town with everything you need close by due to the temperature and weather.
+
+Everyone has their job and is pretty focused on it and autistic about it since they have no replacement. That being said, its a slow paced environment where safety is obsessively followed and PMI and checks are carried out constantly on everything.
+
+Recreation is mostly gym, video games (bad internet so forget multiplayer or streaming at least when I was there), pick up sports games, reading, homebody activities. Some female started a knitting circle and her beta orbiters did that for a couple months before they finally figured out she wasn't going to have sex with them for it.
+
+The people who worked outside the boundary or did research were under NDA to not discuss anything. Even asking was enough to get you reported and removed. Sometimes military would come through and bunch for a few nights, then fuck off somewhere back on their plane and leave. 
+
+>>2427027
+The geometrically suspicious hill in the picture. We warn new arrivals about it as a joke.
+>if you wake up in the middle of the night and feel an urge to walk to the pyramid, don't do it. 
+>sometimes the pyramid glows, go out around 2am and take a look
+etc. 
+But seriously, nobody is allowed up on it under threat of immediate termination and investigation (to see if they took photos or samples).
+--- 2427030
+to be clear, you aren't allowed to photograph or take samples of ANY part of anything off the base without approval, and almost everybody is under various types of NDA's and clauses for their contracts that are easy enough to follow as long as you just don't talk about anything besides banal activities 
+
+technically speaking, as long as you are on mcmurdo, your phone can be seized and searched (legally) any time authorities want, realistically speaking I've never heard of it happening
+
+the only time people leave base suddenly were due to sexual harassment, injury/illness, or family emergency 
+
+suddenly is a bit of an exaggeration though, there can be months long stretches where the location might be unreachable except by airlift
+--- 2427043
+>>2427028
+>>2427030
+
+It sounds like being stationed in Bahrain but somehow even worse lmao
+--- 2427046
+Antarctica is an ice wall and nobody is allowed to see what is beyond it. Flat earth is real.
+--- 2427057
+>>2427030
+Retarded schizo take. People take photos of everything and everything down there and throw them on their instagrams, even a couple faggots used their bullshit stewie jobs to boost their TikToks the last few seasons.
+
+Phones have most likely never been "seized" and you live in a state of paranoia.
+
+>>2427009
+Uhh Idk best way to sum it up is it's essentially neverland for wayward skill-less 30 year something year olds. The contractors who go down year after year have all sorts of levels of aspbergers and have never held a real job on the outside. The skilled trades who go down to support are usually only doing one, two, or three seasons because they realize the wages they make there are half of what they can make back in the states. Those who continue to go back year after year who actually have a skill tend to be fucking awful at their jobs, hence why they have to keep going back because they can't perform them in the real world... Whereas on the ice they can be dog shit (electricians, carpenters, etc) because nothing is up to code at all (I'd say the exception are the boiler guys and MAYBE the hvac people). I am pretty sure I only met one actual scientist when I was there, and she worked at the Kiwi base over the hill.
+
+A lot of people are chronic alcoholics down there as well, or develop chronic alcoholism since there really isn't much to do besides drink. There is a gym, but the season I went there were really only eight or so other regular gym goers who utilized it besides the NYANG faggots.
+
+Oh yeah, the contractors and the NYANG have a huge rivalry and most don't get along with them at all. Every year there's at least one or two fights that break out. I am prior military and the NYANG are the quintessential boot faggots everyone always hated. They're 98% maintainers and air crew and act like they're hot shit, but in reality just watch too much Goggins and Jocko and have never had a real deployment in their lives.
+--- 2427063
+>>2427057
+>Cont.
+Also, the ratio of women to men is something like 75% men to 25% women. I always thought dudes were desperate when it comes to women on military deployments, for some reason Antarctica is next level. Something about that place makes men simp to new levels, and really allow any lack of female attention to ruin them. I knew at least four girls there who had a spouse back home when they left and cheated within a month. One chick seemed innocent, but was getting railed out by one guy, he left within a week, she started getting railed by a different dude the next week until he left two months later, they planned on getting a place together, then he left and within a month and right before she left ended up banging some other guy (I think they're still together, but it's just a matter of time). It seems to be fairly common than women who go there have at least 2 or 3 partners in a 4 of 5 month season. Knew a few girls there whose count by the end of their season was upwards of 8.
+
+What else... There's a genuine sense of ineptitude by everyone in leadership. Most support jobs are made up of burnouts who never had jobs on the outside besides maybe seasonal work in national parks or something. Then after year and year they end up going down thinking they have any sort of experience in their fields, but are completely delusional. 
+
+Geographically, it is a fucking beautiful place. Sort of feels like a level in Destiny or some video game. Idk, I stopped gaming years ago. Feels like an alien planet. 
+
+Idk what else you really want to know. People flush condoms despite signs being everywhere saying not to flush them, which causes problems in the waste water treatment plant. Goes to show how selfish everyone is there for their nut. You're not supposed to get close to wildlife but every thot and wannabe influencer tries to get as close as possible to take pictures. The birds there feast on old trash (which is also against the Antarctic treaty).
+--- 2427072
+>>2427028
+Lol wut. I worked there for a summer season a few years back. The scientists who work outside the boundary are most certainly not under a NDA. They do fucking lectures WEEKLY about the shit they do. My friend works for LDB (long distance balloons) and he talks to me about it all the time. The military that comes through? Are you thinking the C17 crews on the odd moment they need a repair and have to bed down in the transient lodging for a couple days? Because otherwise the military there are the NY Air Guard for like three months and a few active duty medical personnel (a couple flight surgeons and a few enlisted support staff).
+
+>But seriously, nobody is allowed up on it under threat of immediate termination and investigation (to see if they took photos or samples).
+Obvious b8 that I can't believe I'm falling for. That's called Ob Hill. There is a trail you can hike up to the top in like thirty minutes. Probably 50-100 people climb it DAILY. It's not off limits, you can even youtube and find unedited videos of people climbing it with their GoPro you retarded FAGGOT. 
+
+OP, >>2427057 >>2427063 is pretty much spot on with a lot of things. Some dude wrote a book called Big Dead Place a few years back that you can buy on Amazon or maybe find a pdf of. He got blacklisted by USAP because of it, I've never read it but it has a reputation among people who have gone and worked there.
+--- 2427092
+>>2426740
+>>>2426530 (You)
+>>>2426545 (You)
+>>>2426604
+>>>2426712
+>Elaborate.
+
+Been down to remote areas of the ice shelf three times, twice departing from New Zealand and once via South Africa, sailing as 2nd Mate on ocean circulation water sampling expeditions.
+--- 2427098
+>>2427092
+Based. What maritime academy did you go to? I just got accepted to Maine and I start this fall. Hoping to one day be a deck officer on one of the resupply ships so I can go back to McMurdo and make some real money in the process instead of the scraps I was making when I was a contractor there.
+--- 2427101
+>>2427072
+>>2427063
+>>2427057
+Glowie here with damage control. He doesn't want you to know about the pyramid.
+--- 2427105
+>>2427098
+>>>2427092 (You)
+>Based. What maritime academy did you go to? I just got accepted to Maine and I start this fall. Hoping to one day be a deck officer on one of the resupply ships so I can go back to McMurdo and make some real money in the process instead of the scraps I was making when I was a contractor there.
+
+I'm a Maine grad 1998 lol, hold my Master Mariners Unlimited but I retired from the ocean after 15 years sailing, working a global class 274' research vessel is kinda hard on the body, drinking way coffee out there and high blood pressure, and a desire to settle down with a family which is almost impossible when out doing expedition work. But I did see the world (been to over 100 countries) when things were still a ton of fun and with great travel benefits, shit like getting off the ship on rotation leave in Thailand, being free to travel for 4 months, and getting a paid flight from where ever in the world to my next port - I don't know if that stuff is even possible in post COVID world.
+--- 2427121
+>>2427105
+Sheeeit you sound like future me. From what I gather those things are back from the pre covid world. Do worry about being able to start a family one day though. Did you work cargo or cruise? Or did you just do research vessel?
+--- 2427122
+>>2427101
+I'm the second poster, that is two different people you nut job
+--- 2427167
+>>2427121
+
+I went strait from graduation to a flight to Hawaii for a rotation as AB to start (and they apologized they weren't sending me someplace more exotic ha), I was with UCSD Scripps which had the two global class vessels, a mid range vessel, and a local West Coast range vessel. Then spent six months as mate with their coastal research vessel, and then up to 3rd Mate on the global class ships for the rest of my career moving up the ladder to Chief Mate. 
+
+At Maine Maritime I did my cadet shipping on a US Army Core hopper dredge and a run to Germany on a 1,000' plus military sealift command RoRo. I enjoyed the research vessels, cool and remote ports - Easter Island, Galapagos, Patagonia......, science chicks on the ship, ample time off in port, interesting science going on around you, and the ships were fun to pilot with the 360 degree stern thrusters, bow thruster, and dynamic positioning. Money was descent being single and all, but could have made a bunch more working cargo, but then that's boring as hell. You will have to deal with tons of stupid paperwork, audits, an office that has their finger on you due to modern comms and internet capabilities, and never ending training classes ashore - all part of the fun getting squeezed out of it. Finished my maritime career leaving Scripps and did a year as a Captain on a big USAID funded typhoon humanitarian response, commanding a landing vessel and the overall landing effort to bring housing supplies to remote offshore islands in Chuuk and Yap, Micronesia. I now run an ATM company. 
+
+Sounds like you are a bit older having been a contractor, which is helpful if going to MMA with non-trad status - you get more respect, housing, and relaxed uniform privileges and all. Beautiful location and good if you like the outdoors, but remote and bleak in the winter. Ton more chicks there now compared to when I when, but still pretty shitty on that front.
+
+Pic - tabby bergs off Antarctica
+--- 2427175
+>>2427167
+Damn, hell of a career. Hope I could accomplish half as much as you did. Any idea if it's pretty tough to land a research vessel gig these days? Know anybody who worked cruises? I've considered doing the cruise thing for a bit primarily because I'd have access to a real gym and good food. Would probably hate it though I'm guessing.
+
+Yeah, I'm 33 and currently deployed to the middle east with the Air Guard until June(I went to the ice as a contractor though). The housing situation is proving to be a nightmare around Castine and I'll most likely end up trying to live in the commons or as a last resort the dorms. Probably a good thing there's such few ladies there though, help keep me from getting distracted because I'm sure the math is going to kick my ass.
+--- 2427190
+>>2427175
+So actually from what I understand its pretty easy, they are struggling to match pay with the Gulf of Mexico oil field vessels, and thats after Scripps recently unionized and gave the sailors all a better deal. But the maritime industry shifts and changes, who knows what the job market will be in 2-4 years, but MMA grads are always valued and can find something if they really want it.
+
+Don't really know so much about cruise ships other than they are mostly foreign flagged and they crew up officers outside the US for low pay.
+
+With experience with Air Guard and as an ice contractor you will probably do fine with the regimented lifestyle aspect of MMA, on the deck side the math isn't too bad, vector physics and just memorizing equations, and being very very precise about your navigation work is the hardest part - I was not good at math and was scared I would fail out but ended up graduating 2nd in my class, so it can be done.
+
+The girls there will all be young, full of themselves, and a pain in the ass, best find a woman you can be with outside of Castine on the weekends, I was down in Portland with my chick every weekend when I didn't have watch duty my Jr and Sr year, but closer by Belfast is a pretty cool little town less than an hour away, and Rockland another 45 min or so South of that.
+--- 2427192
+>>2427175
+>The housing situation is proving to be a nightmare around Castine
+
+Would suck to be in the old dorms, I think they must have expanded some on campus housing, but work hard to try to be a roommate with some guys who are in one of the summer cottages, there are some pretty nice places that would make the experience a ton better if you can score a house. One of my older buddies lived with the light house keeper at Dice's Head Light - killer spot.
+--- 2427209
+>>2427190
+Yeah, I'm not worried about the regimented thing. Should be sort of funny since I think we can wear our ribbon racks in our regiment uniforms so I bet mine will be like twice as large as anyone else's since I'm almost at 10 years time in service. 
+
+I've been trying to speed myself back up with math starting at the algebra 1 level before I take precalc. The transfer advisor spooked me into thinking I have to really hit it hard in order to catch up considering I haven't taken a real math class since I was 17. 
+
+Heard Portland is great, I'll check those other towns too. Any thoughts on Bangor? I'll be transferring to their Air Guard base at some point most likely. 
+
+>>2427192
+Yeah, I'm sure I'll figure something out when it comes to housing. I'm no stranger to weird living situations and worse comes to worse I'll just buy an RV and find a place to park it and shower/shit at the gym.
+--- 2427261
+>>2427209
+>Yeah, I'm not worried about the regimented thing. Should be sort of funny since I think we can wear our ribbon racks in our regiment uniforms so I bet mine will be like twice as large as anyone else's since I'm almost at 10 years time in service.
+
+Yeah, if you are not 18 years old and just out of your parents house its kinda of a joke, there wasnt even PT in my day and its just gotten softer since.
+
+>>2427209
+>I've been trying to speed myself back up with math starting at the algebra 1 level before I take precalc.
+
+Try to brush up on your trigonometry and trig functions as its a big part of celestial navigation, also interpolation of figures in tables is pretty important when dealing with tide tables and stuff. With the regiment not going to be such a heavy deal for you will have plenty of more time and energy to concentrate on your studies. Back in my days the old timer teachers - a couple of these guys had been submariners in WWII - did a lot of teaching by just pounding the equation procedures into you, a lot of the larger theory to make sense of spherical trig and celestial nav I had to put in the time to learn on my own - You could pick up Bowditch and starting working on that stuff now. And unless things have changed the Coast Guard exams are all multiple choice, there are a ton of them, but they were in the public domain and you could start studding now.
+--- 2427265
+>>2427209
+>Any thoughts on Bangor?
+
+In the 25 years since my graduation all of Maine has grown, developed, and become more dynamic, Bangor is pretty representative of regular - not touristy - good ol Maine. There is some good festivals and events held on their riverfront and they continue to develop an outside concert venue there. After being stuck in Castine for a couple weekends Bangor will do the trick. Ellsworth, a small/medium size town up the coast on the way to Bar Harbor is pretty decent. Blue Hill is nice little village nearby on the next peninsular north - with Deer Isle being the end of that peninsular and one of my favorite destinations as it way less touristy than Acadia National Park. Lots of coastal preservation areas have developed over the years, wherever you are just Goodle hiking trails and there will be someplace nearby you can go for a nature hike.
+
+Be careful driving on the access road in and out of Castine, a student wrecks and dies on that 15 mile stretch every few years. 
+
+People will probably soon start bitching that this is a Antarctica thread...........
+--- 2427271
+>>2427261
+>>2427265
+Thanks for the information. Been taking a /trv/ break the last few months and came back expecting to just read the same coomer/anti-coomer threads so it was good to hear all this. 
+
+Sorry OP for derailing your Antarctica thread but there's probably five people tops on this board who have ever been there so it was bound to be derailed.
+--- 2427278
+>>2427271
+>Been taking a /trv/ break the last few months and came back expecting to just read the same coomer/anti-coomer threads so it was good to hear all this.
+
+Yeah, I check in every once and a while too, did a bunch of writing here last year on all my North Korea/Iran and my other travels, but kinda feel there is not much left to say. Just back from my first international trip in 5 years to our properties in the Philippians - definitely don't feel like a travel pro any more, things have changed and having a family changes you.
+
+Best of luck at Maine Maritime!
+--- 2427280
+Another pic to get things back on track....
+--- 2427289
+>>2427278
+Thanks. Take care man.
+
+>>2427280
+I'll contribute as well to get this back to being an Antarctica thread.
+--- 2427339
+>>2425399 (OP)
+It's on the expensive side of travel for sure. Either taking on antartica yacht/cruise expedition or staying in expensive resort like white desert
+--- 2427492
+>>2427028
+>>2427030
+Thanks. 
+>>2427057
+You said schizo, so I don’t believe you. 
+>>2427271
+Don’t worry about it.
+--- 2427526
+If i go to argentina can i get a boat to antarctica and actually walk around and shit or will it just be some gay cruise? How do i get there as a tourist?
+--- 2427603
+I have a travel YouTube and places I should go that people say are off limits in conspiracies like Antarctica? I know people say Nazis live under mount Odin in Canada. Want to go there eventually too
+--- 2427608
+Kek you can easily tell who actually went and who are the larpers
+--- 2427810
+>>2427608
+No one here seems to be larping besides the conspiracy schizoids
+--- 2428269
+>>2427009
+I went down and worked at McMurdo seven years ago. What do you want to know that can't be Googled? Other poster was right that it's just a bunch of burn outs with no real job prospects in the real world and that the women who go down there are turbo whores. Simple as.
+--- 2428271
+>>2427028
+Absolutely fucking not remotely true.
+--- 2428424
+>>2425399 (OP)
+No, but I heard the nightlife there is amazing, it's like the night never ends!
+--- 2428715
+>>2428424
+My motto when I was there was it's always day drinking when the sun never sets.
+--- 2429089
+>>2425399 (OP)
+Hows da coomin?
+--- 2429595
+>>2429089
+Well, the women who go there are whores. It's the same with the military, or anywhere theres more men than women. Women get relentlessly hit on, add to that the chronic boredom alcoholism, a whole mess of weekly parties, and you have a recipe for girls spreading their legs looking to get railed at alarmingly high rates.
+--- 2430032
+>>2425399 (OP)
+bump
+--- 2430224
+>>2426545
+what made you keep going back? feel like it would be boring after one season working there since I've heard it doesn't pay shit.
+--- 2430233
+I grew up with a guy who was stationed at McMurdo.
+He said it was really cold!
+--- 2431051
+>>2425399 (OP)
+Uttp logo
+--- 2431195
+>>2431051
+What’s a Uttp?
+--- 2431288
+>>2428269
+What are the penguins like? How do they feel about humans immigrating to their country? Did you make friends with any?
+>>2429595
+But incels told me that if there are hardly any women no-one will get laid?
+--- 2431289
+>>2431288
+the women get laid and get their pick of the few chad looking guys that are there.
+--- 2431297
+>>2431289
+more like the chads get their pick of any 7s they please and the women come out with a sewer drain of cum between their legs when they head north.
+
+t. Raw dogged a few gals when I did three summer seasons there. Haven't been back since '22 though
+--- 2432350
+>>2431297
+It's true. There was like maybe one 8 when i was there in 2021-22. After the first couple of months 5s and 6s start looking like 9's tho
+--- 2432480
+>>2425399 (OP)
+How can I get a job there? I'd like to go at some point but I don't want to spend thousands of dollars to be on a ship with chinks and boomers only to get off and see a few penguins and ice.
+--- 2433446
+>>2432480
+bump someone pls
+--- 2433450
+>>2432350
+When I was in the military we called this desert princess syndrome.
+--- 2433697
+>>2432480
+>How can I get a job there?
+A lot of research [spoiler]on Google[/spoiler]
+--- 2433731
+>>2432350
+That happens. After a few days without cooming in India the local girls started looking doable.
+--- 2433807
+>>2433697
+Yeah, I don't want lessons from some fat Tumblr dykes blog post thanks.
+--- 2434226
+>>2432480
+If you're a tradie it's easy to get a job there because the pay is shit compared to wages stateside. They'll take any faggot retard to work in the galley as a steward, or work in supply, or work in air transportation. Just say you worked at an airport and have forklift experience then they'll hire you. If all else fails say you're a minority or lgbtq and they'll start frothing at the mouth to bring you down.
+--- 2434494
+>>2433450
+Yeah, I was used to it from deploying previously. Doesn't make you immune to the powers of the pussy.
+--- 2434505
+>>2434494
+I like booze more than pussy. That’s just me though.
+--- 2435342
+>>2426545
+never come back here
+--- 2435711
+>>2434505
+Well, the amount of alcohol there is equal to how many hairy bush loose "free spirit" women so you can have both.
+--- 2435718
+>>2425399 (OP)
+So the only way to get there is from work? I would've guessed at least a country like Argentina would have tours to their part of the continent
+--- 2435720
+>>2435718
+I thought Argentina did have arctic cruises, maybe I imagined it but I swore I read it a while back.
+--- 2435741
+>>2435718
+>>2435720
+They do. They cost an arm and a leg just to step on the continent and not see much besides icebergs on the way and the shore you spend a day on though. All the while you'll get the pleasure of being on a small ship with a hundred other wealthy boomers.
+--- 2435901
+Let’s just say there are many ‘McMurdo babies’ roughly 9 months after deployment.
+--- 2435929
+USAP is a bureaucratic nightmare. Everything is layered under multiple layers of bullshit. It will make anyone fucking insane, and realistically that's the only reason someone would do it twice. There are basically four outcomes for returners:
+1. Escape to field camps or traverse, which is much less stifling and much more fulfilling. Good luck, it takes years and years (and even then if they don't like you then you'll never join the club).
+2. You get a good job. Usually involves a better contractor, there are very few of these jobs and that part about cliqueiness remains a factor. You'll also need qualifications for this, and the very scarce jobs that don't require are almost impossible to get.
+3. You ascend into "leadership", this is typically what the worst people with the most odious personalities do.
+4. A state of arrested development doing menial labor for low wage so you can party like you never stopped being an undergraduate. This is by far the most common outcome for returners.
+
+It is a lot of fun. The people are great. You get to say you work there, which has social currency akin to that of being an astronaut. Ultimately you burn out, and around the four-year mark people tend to move on. Though there are some long-haulers though, and the real lifers who do decades down there are truly beyond help.
+--- 2435930
+>>2426712
+I will. I'm being bad. I wanna hear how it all went down with you and (((you-know-who))).
+
+Can I just call?
+--- 2435938
+Yeh it’s pretty much a fuck fest on ice where even spergs are getting some
+--- 2436757
+>>2427092
+Im an oow. Which agency have you used to get there?
+--- 2437770
+I'm thinking of dropping 60k by going on a ski expedition near Union glacier camp
+--- 2437783
+>>2435930
+Try me on messenger, I don't have phone service but I have data. Got a fuck load of (((work))) this week so just shoot me a message and let's try and plan it. Got a lot of hot goss on that front, been curious how you've been libtard.
+--- 2438077
+>>2437770
+How does that work? Heli skiing down there I'm assuming? Don't expect powder, it's the world's largest desert.
+--- 2438085
+>>2435741
+It's expensive but you do get to do more than just "step on the continent" especially if you shell out extra for the helicopter tours or include the Falklands and South Georgia on your trip.
+--- 2438598
+>>2438077
+Flight from Usuhaia, camp at the glacier, and some plans include a motoski, in others you have to walk all the way up.
+
+Of course no one expects perfect ski conditions, that's not the point on doing it
+
+Other expedition I'm eyeing it is climb Mt Winston, but it's for even more shekels and I do t even know if I'm fit enough to do it
+--- 2438886
+>>2438598
+Doesn't sound bad, even if the skiing sounds like a meme.
+--- 2439002
+>>2425399 (OP)
+I tried but ended up near the north pole on an icebreaker.
+--- 2439027
+>>2435718
+There are arctic crooses. My mom’s friend went on one.
+--- 2439292
+>>2438886
+>>2439027
+
+Yeah the skiing is a meme but it's the best bang for your buck when it comes to Antarctica. You can group all tourism options in 3:
+
+1- Cruise ships. Youre paying twice the price of a regular cruise for a boat with none of the amenities. Yes, this is the cheaper option but it's a complete rip off. You won't set foot on the continent.
+
+2- Animal sightseeing: similar cruises but with the added component of seeing some penguins or shit. This is an excuse to at least set foot on the continent. The issue here is that the tour operators will settle to take you to the Antarctic Peninsula which is the warmest and most terraformed area. Under the disguise of research stations and the silly prestige of having a foothold there many countries have a base already (freaking Peru has a base, wtf) the most invested countries have already small towns there. Imagine paying a small fortune to go to the unknown and being taken to an actual town and see animals a few mins away from civilization
+
+3- the hardcore shit: yes, these are the most expensive options but these are the real deal. You can know hire a tour to My Winston, Mt Erebus or even to trek to the freaking South Pole. The issue here is that beyond the exorbitant price, most of these tours are very taxing physically. I want to go there to have fun, not to nearly kill myself on a middle life crisis. This is where the ski options stands out. It's the real deal as you get to sleep in the inner continent, it's not that physically exhausting, it's fun, even if it's not the best ski, and is still cheaper than the extreme options. Also, this is the option at the highest risk of being cancelled after the Greta crowd goes for it for environmental reason. You can always justify going to see muh animals or claiming you're a 19 century explorer or being the first half autistic 20% gypsy to reach the south pole with synesthesia. Im midclass but I'm already saving money to hopefully go while it's still a thing
+--- 2439299
+>>2439292
+This is why I come to /trv/
+--- 2439313
+>>2439292
+I went through the wiki rabbit hole of all the Antarctic bases. Lmao why do Bulgaria, Ecuador and Pakistan have bases lol.
+
+Also, the Chileans literally have a hotel open to civilians in Las Estrellas (one of only 2 civilian bases, the other one is an argie one) so you could technically stay there indefinitely, but I guess it wouldn't count as it's on a (quite crowded) island off the peninsula
+--- 2439381
+Any other Red Noses?
+--- 2439695
+>>2439381
+This is for soldiers only, right?
+--- 2439810
+>>2439695
+>This is for soldiers only, right?
+
+No, not at all, for anyone crew or passenger on a ship that crosses the circle where the ceremony is performed by those aboard who already hold the certificate. Just like the Equator Shell-back ceremony or the Arctic circle Blue Nose.
+--- 2441382
+>>2439292
+I heard in a podcast that the difference between cruises landing or not on Antarctica is based on size. Only boats with less than 1000 passengers can do it, of course the largest ones are the cheapest options but it's a ripoff as you say

trv/2426300.txt

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+-----
+--- 2426300
+Where is the most ideal place to live in the Pacific Northwest?
+--- 2426308
+>>2426300 (OP)
+not in Seattle or Portland.
+--- 2426326
+Don't live in the pacific north west
+--- 2426330
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Missoula is, and why tf were we cut off that map
+--- 2426331
+It's a shithole, do not recommend
+--- 2426343
+None of it.
+--- 2426355
+Coeur D'Alene 20 years ago
+--- 2426361
+Eugene seemed nice when I visited, but that was in 2015.
+--- 2426398
+>>2426361
+it was bad for a bit but they are cracking down on the homeless now.
+>>2426300 (OP)
+rural parts of the Willamette valley are nice
+--- 2426400
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Port townsend
+--- 2426417
+Bend 20 years ago.
+--- 2426623
+>>2426300 (OP)
+I lived in Siskiyou County in Jefferson (California occupied) for a while. It was really nice except for the whole California thing. If I were going to move back to the US, Jackson County in the Oregon occupied part of Jefferson would be towards the top of my list of places to look. It's plenty rural, but Ashland and Medford are big enough that you don't feel too far from some kind of civilization.
+--- 2426645
+West of the cascades is beautiful. Don't come here. East of the cascades is a shithole, you probably don't want to go there either.
+--- 2426709
+>>2426645
+This is the only real answer OP. Wenatchee I guess is alright because you're right on the east side of the Cascades.
+--- 2426723
+>>2426361
+Eugene is fucking depressing. I'd rather live in liberal hell Ashland or corvallis
+--- 2426733
+Idaho has their shit together so much that the countries which make up the eastern two thirds of Oregon are all voting to leave OR and join ID. Won't happen though, Oregon legislature (controlled by Portland, Salem, Eugene etc.) will have to let them leave and that'll never happen.
+--- 2426930
+>>2426308
+i was thinking of moving to seattle whats wrong with it?
+--- 2426962
+>>2426930
+the people are batshit insane
+most of the women look like picrel
+constant grey will kill you
+otherwise it's an interesting place. It looks like a mini manhattan nowadays so that's nice
+--- 2426989
+>>2426962
+hello sir i am from new dehli how hard to sleep with this beautiful woman?
+--- 2426995
+>>2426930
+its a grey dystopian city full of homeless people. also expensive as shit. you can get the same vibe in austin or denver.
+--- 2427014
+>>2426330
+I love Missoula. But I don't think I could handle those winters. Do you own or rent? What do you do for work?
+--- 2427016
+>>2427014
+Not who you're responding to, but I lived in Missoula for almost ten years. Originally from south of there. The winters aren't bad at all. People always think Montana has brutal winters, but aside from the front and the highline it's really moderate in the valleys. The winters aren't shit compared to the great lakes or especially compared to inner New England or upstate NY.
+
+Imo Missoula lost all it's charm and has allowed itself to become the kind of all yuppie locations. Basically full of trust fund faggots from out of state at this point. Even skilled jobs don't pay enough to cover cost of living there. Case in point my buddy works a tech job in Missoula and makes 60k a year which he could be making twice or more than twice if he just uprooted and went to the coast. Housing now almost comparable in price to Portland or Seattle, and going out to eat costs just as much as it does in those cities. Also, the homeless situation is getting out of hand with a now permanent camp below Reserve St that is reminiscent of Portland. 
+
+Honestly though, go and move there. It isn't going to help that city any more and will help it continue to burn itself down so I can dance on its fucking ashes.
+--- 2427047
+>>2426930
+
+Limp-wristed politicians have rallied to take away the power of the police (because there's SO many underprivileged black people in the PNW), so now the homeless can set up shop in front of a business, jerk off publicly, then accost passersby with impunity. Not to mention the insane COL that does not match the QOL (or lack thereof lmao). Pair all of that up with shitty weather and uppity tech fags running rampant, and you have a disastrous combination of ignorance, arrogance and lack of accountability.
+
+tl;dr: people make the PNW as a whole unliveable
+--- 2427114
+>>2426300 (OP)
+First off, avoid the cities and college towns. The homeless and other assorted crazies make it insufferable to live in these places. 
+If you can enjoy more isolated areas, the Medford/Ashland region and the southern Oregon coastline is nice. The weather is more transitional there, not quite so dreary. However, Californians have driven up prices there so beware. Nice countryside with mix of oak and pine forests and some grassy hills.
+--- 2427148
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Why the fuck would anyone ever want to live in this expensive, homeless infested, cold, rainy shithole?
+--- 2427149
+>>2426300 (OP)
+WA is literally just CA with shitty weather
+--- 2427153
+>>2426330
+I love Missoula, and while it *might* be considered NW compared to Eastern Montana, but definitely not PNW. It's an arid plains climate that happens to have rivers and mountains.
+--- 2427295
+>>2426398
+>it was bad for a bit but they are cracking down on the homeless now.
+No they aren't
+--- 2427536
+Eureka, CA
+--- 2427594
+>>2427148
+If you are able to separate yourself from retarded people problems,there is a lot of natural beauty in the cascades.
+--- 2427601
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Any good coastal towns in this area? California as some absolutely stunning beach towns but houses are like 2 million each
+--- 2427610
+>>2426786
+I lived in a little town west of Yreka. All the basic stuff (grocery store, hardware store, pharmacy, school, two bars, a few churches, etc.) was in walking distance for folks who lived in town. For bigger shopping, I would drive up to Ashland & Medford for the fancy grocery stores with organic stuff and the CostCo. It was kind of poor, I guess (I'm used to it), and there weren't as many options as in a big city, but it was also nice seeing the same people all the time and getting to form relationships. I kind of assume the small towns on the other side of the border are similar but with better gun laws (although, I understand that might change) and without the other general California-related stupidity.
+--- 2427793
+>>2427148
+Naturally gorgeous and S tier summers
+--- 2427794
+PNW is a place you go on vacation in the summer, kinda like Alaska. If you live there the shit weather and the people will fuck you up mentally.
+--- 2427800
+>>2426962
+Apparently there's a correlation between shitty grey overcast coastal weather and intravenous drug use. Some of the more enterprising junkies become politicians, childless women start becoming maternal over homeless junkies, and you basically have a sort of protected class of mentally ill drug addicts who can do as they please... a working class full of junkies, a middle class full of enablers, and an upper class also full of junkies but gay
+--- 2428002
+>>2426300 (OP)
+It’s great if you like homelessness and drugs
+--- 2428124
+>>2427800
+the europians have been doing pretty well for themselves, I dunno what the fuck happened up in the pnw
+--- 2428130
+>>2427794
+This.
+
+Lived all over Oregon for 15 years.
+--- 2429309
+>>2428124
+probably better health care and social support. in america they just let you rot and become homeless.
+--- 2429315
+>>2428124
+This explains a lot about the autism of Germans, Nordics and Brits.
+--- 2430264
+bump
+Where would you go for vacation here in the summer
+--- 2430391
+>>2426962
+It looks nothing at all like Manhattan in any way.
+--- 2430423
+>>2430264
+Oregon Coast
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Oregon Coast
+--- 2430555
+>>2430264
+North Cascades
+Or >>2430423
+--- 2430557
+>>2426733
+Retard take. Eastern Oregon is full of Christian Nationalists so of course they want to join Idaho.
+--- 2431756
+>>2427601
+Bump
+--- 2432580
+>>2426300 (OP)
+washington
+--- 2432687
+>>2426300 (OP)
+I'm half hillbilly from central Oregon. Very conservative but deeply retarded. Family oriented but every family has a pedo in it, usually grandpa. So it's either dust off your CB radio or live among the commies in the cities and suburbs. Too bad because the geography is beautiful. The people have ruined it. Try somewhere else.
+--- 2432749
+>>2429309
+literally no one is homeless except drug addicts and schizos. you could throw a trillion dollars at the problem and they'd still be junkie schizos who prefer to sleep in a tent.
+--- 2432752
+Happy Valley out to Sandy area of Portland is lovely. I also really like Everett and West Seattle, along with some of the country suburbs like Snohomish and Auburn. Tri Cities is kind of isolated but has most the city shit you'd want like an airport and Costco, etc. If you just avoid downtown Portland-Seattle they're great cities
+--- 2432754
+>>2432749
+True in most places but not ultra high CoL of places like California, Washington, DC, New York, Massachusetts, etc. 
+
+We really are just at a point where the cost of living so high and wages so low that some misfortune can find you homeless.
+--- 2432874
+>>2426930
+insane homeless problem, high taxes, most people are total fucking dick heads if you aren't "part of the culture." Seattle has its own "culture" and if you aren't that, you're gonna be hated. Google "Seattle Freeze" or "Seattle Cold Shoulder"
+--- 2432944
+>>2426930
+WA has the highest taxes of any state in the west and yes Seattle is very progressive it often bothers even the older once-progressives that live here. Fall is 8 months long and ugly for 7 of them. City has insane class divides and the tech employees ruin and inflate everything
+Homeless issue was worse under durkan, our new mayor is a lot harder on where they camp though, still pretty bad though
+
+Not all bad, its more attractive than most us cities, spring and summer are beautiful, outdoor access is world class, there's actual stuff to do in the urban area
+--- 2432957
+To live? Almost anywhere that's about an hour outside of the Eugene/Salem/Portland. The Willamette Valley is unbelievably beautiful, and keeps you within an hours drive away from the coast and the cascade mountains. Just try to avoid living in the cities, full of degeneracy/homelessness/drug addicts etc. The cities can still have nice things like nicer restaurants, but living in them kind of sux. 
+
+>>2426331
+We still have pretty nature! 
+
+>>2426361
+I live in Eugene, it's not nice.
+--- 2432992
+what is Spokane like? is it nice?
+--- 2433211
+>>2432754
+No it fucking can't. Can you fathom how many bridges you'd have to burn before running out of friends and family you could stay with? Homelessness is correlated with high COL areas because those areas give hobos everything they need to live on the streets forever
+--- 2433225
+>>2432944
+> WA has the highest taxes of any state
+
+Lol no. I live in Vancouver next to Portland and WA having no state income tax is a god send.
+--- 2433423
+>>2433211
+Yes im sure they would rather live on cardboard mattresses with ratty blankets panhandling, rather than live with a parent of friend. I assure you they look pretty miserable in the cold
+
+I do agree it isnt just loss of employment that leads to homelessness, usually its compounded with mental illness or drugs
+--- 2433438
+>>2432992
+No. It's probably the most dog shit city on that map. It's coming around though with all the people moving there from the coast. Used to basically be the Detroit of the west.
+
+>>2433225
+This. Sup fellow Vancouvanon. Honestly Vancouver is the best place in the US from a tax stand point. No income tax (I work abroad) and when I buy shit online I just order it to my buddies place across the river.
+--- 2433442
+>>2433211
+Out of touch bourgeois fool
+--- 2433447
+>>2433438
+I work remote as well. I “technically” live in WA just for the no income tax. I got a mailbox and a storage unit in the ‘Couve and use it as my home base. Seattle would probably save me money on flights instead of flying out of PDX but w/e.
+--- 2433507
+>>2433442
+you voted Bernie. Sorry about your mental illness.
+--- 2436612
+>>2426300 (OP)
+Tillamook gang rise up
+--- 2436643
+>>2433447
+Same. I just use my buddies address as my home of record. Used to do it in Seattle for two years but that friend turned into a tool.
+--- 2436945
+>>2426930
+I lived there in the late 2010s and all of the problems there have got worse. It's expensive as fuck and mentally ill, strung out homeless will harass you constantly. There are entire cities within the city of homeless tents. $800 a month gets you a bedroom. Winters are absolutely miserable. It almost never snows, but it's drizzly and dark. Once at work in December, a patch of blue sky actually peaked out in the early afternoon and the entire office went to the window to look because we hadn't seen it since September. The non-homeless people are shit an the "Seattle Freeze" is real. Women are fat, entitled cunts who surpass any of the incel ideas of the 300-pound beast who feels she deserves a 6'5" muscular Chad and claims to be a feminist while wanting to live off you. The men are sóy sucking faggots who you have to fight the urge to kick in the face.
+It's not all terrible and I have some good memories of living there. There is a lot of natural beauty outside of the city. Even in mid winter, it looks very green. There's lots of really good ethnic food, especially if you like Asian and Russian. Portland is about two hours away and great for shopping and a fun weekend because no sales tax.
+--- 2437061
+>>2426930
+seattle is great. people here are ridiculous lol. very livable city, easy to get around, beautiful nature nearby
+--- 2437096
+>>2436945
+> The men are sóy sucking faggots who you have to fight the urge to kick in the face.
+Lived in Portland for 10 years around the same time and this is very true, though, working-class people who grew up in the city weren’t like that at all. So many of the transplants to the area are fucking intolerable—-a terrible combo of smugness and passive aggression. They act in ways and say things that would get them beaten within an inch of their lives in other parts of the country.
+--- 2437119
+>>2436945
+I agree. In my two years in Seattle I fucking hates all the young professional yuppie faggots. World class /out/ nearby tho
+--- 2437662
+>>2426930
+Go to Tacoma, Spokane or if you can to kino west side at Poulsbo. Everything is shitfaced expensive so if you're gonna be there might as well make it worth it.
+--- 2437666
+>>2436945
+>>2437096
+>>2437119
+Sums up my couple of visits to Seattle, one in August and other over Christmas and New years
+...And for that dyke fag artho cashier at Cascable Western War who gave me a passive aggressive tone when I asked a question, Fuck You!
+--- 2438040
+For me personally I just want to live on the beach in a place that isn't super hot all the time like in Florida or South California. Is the Pacific Coast good for that or should I look somewhere like Jeresy or the Delmarva Peninsula?
+--- 2438068
+>>2438040
+The PACNW coast is the best coastline in the US. The towns there though have serious drug issues so if you can tolerate that I'd say go for it.
+--- 2438069
+>>2438040
+pacific coast beach is expensive. Also, "not-hot-all-the-time-beach" is kino and based, but it is also not particularly pleasant. 
+
+Instead of:
+- white sand
+- pleasant water
+- pleasant air
+- blue-green tones
+- sun
+
+you get:
+- driftwood
+- painful gravel
+- nearly freezing deep blue ocean water
+- seaweed and gulls
+- cold and wind
+
+I've had lots of great memories along the pacific northwest ocean, but I wouldn't describe any of it as "comfortable".
+--- 2438079
+>>2438040
+>>2438069
+in short, pacific northwest beaches will make you feel like you are an alaskan crab fisherman. sea shanties will suddenly make sense, and you will gain insight into the zeitgeist of the sailor. 
+think creosote, sea spray, silent buoys, dreary sunset, cold wet wind, northern lights.
+--- 2438081
+>>2438079
+wood paneled seaside structures, abandoned docks, rotting pier posts, seedy cargo yards, wet rocky northwest islands
+--- 2438108
+Nowhere bro, like really. This place is full of insecure and depressed left wing yuppies who think going hiking is a personality. No one is who they say they are. The urban centers are full of homelessness and urban blight while the local governments continue to throw money at the issue causing even more homelessnes and urban blight. Portland and Seattle are dumping grounds for the nations undesirables.
+
+I was born and raised in Portland and I cant get over how fake everything here is. No one means what they say and their only concern is what they can virtue signal to their fellow humans. Move to a real city where people at least have convictions about their beliefs and mean what they more than half the time. 
+
+If you're looking at moving here for /out/ activities you're probably part of the problem. Every parking lot for hiking trails or ski hill is full to capacity before 8am on weekends. 
+
+If you still decide to move here get ready to pay for the privilege.
+--- 2438117
+>>2438108
+tell me about places not like this. I have lived in seattle my whole life with rare exceptions. what is life like in other places, and what are the people like there? am I like this because I live here?
+--- 2438125
+>>2438117
+
+Rust belt cities like Chicago, Cleveland or the east coast. They arent perfect by any means but you at least know where you stand with people over there.
+
+The thing that gets me about the PNW if the polarity of ideas. You either live in a big city like Seattle or Portland and subscribe to hyper-liberalism or at least comply with it because speaking out against would be social suicide in most circles. If you have money you can live in one of the satellite towns like Bend which is just a smaller Portland. Or you can go rural which is a mix of white trash meth heads, extreme poverty and trump flags. There is no middle ground anywhere in the PNW.
+--- 2438129
+>>2438069
+>>2438079
+Sounds cool. Though I like sand and pleasant water harsh windy oceans make me feel alive.
+Also PNW has temperate rainforests
+--- 2438461
+I live in Portland(Gresham) it's pretty chill
+--- 2439247
+Does anybody know what the good parts of washington are? The places that usually put washington within the top 3 states in america? I've lived in Olympia, the Grays harbor area, and around tacoma, but all three of those places are shit. Seattle is getting better but it's soulless, same with bellevue. From what I've heard spokane is shit too. Are the places north of seattle good?
+--- 2439581
+>>2426330
+Montana is not the PNW, not matter how much you want to distance yourself from the flatlanders in the great plains.
+
+if it were up to me Idaho would be off that map to, they have more in common with Colorado or Wyoming and dont even touch the Pacific.
+--- 2439586
+>>2439247
+most towns around the Peninsula are full of bleak methhead trailer parks now that the timber industries have shut down. 
+
+unless you work remotely there are very few jobs or industries active out there anymore; there are several state prisons out there for a reason. they provide guaranteed jobs for a few small towns and a good way to send state money out to the area without dumping it into welfare programs.
+--- 2439587
+>>2438125
+Eastern Washington is quietly being completely overrun by Hispanics, the voting base may be old republican farmers but head to Yakima or small towns around the Grand Coulee Dam and realize the migrant agricultural workers arnt migrating anymore. elementary schools are minority white and Mexican restaurants dominate every strip mall.

trv/2426449.txt

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+-----
+--- 2426449
+I’m flying out to Vegas in a few hours and need some advice. I know not to even touch the minibar/mini fridge because they will buttrape you with fees but how common is it to grab a styrofoam cooler full of beer and snacks up to your room? Is the strip walkable? Do restaurants require reservations or can you walk in? I don’t plan on doing much gambling so I’m probably going to see a few shows and concerts. Any recommendations?
+--- 2426497
+Stock up on booze at the Target or Walgreens near the MGM. Don't use the hotel stores, there's a reason they hide all the prices.
+
+The strip is walkable but it'll probably wear you out if you try to walk it all at once (I did 11 miles one day when I last went and I only did one half of it). Getting a Las Vegas monorail pass can save a lot walking and there are a couple of other hidden away free monorails that go between 3 or so hotels each that also save on walking.
+
+You'll possibly want an uber to Fremont street and Circus Circus as they're both awkward to get to and stopped their free busses (Ubers are quick and easy in general in vegas).
+
+For the shows, there're cirque du solei's at loads of the hotels so you can decide on which one interests you. I think Paris is still doing Bat out of Hell the musical, which is a stupid but reasonably fun jukebox musical (you obviously need to like Meatloaf to enjoy it), assuming it's the same one as in the West End.
+
+If in doubt, get a reservation. When I went most restaurants were allowed people to walk up but you may have to wait to get texted for a table. As with Cirque Du Soleil, lots of hotels offer their own versions of celeb chef restaurants (with tiny menus so they don't cross over ). I think most people would recommend going to the hotel's unique places over these (although I quite liked Guy Fieri's burger place in the Linq, even if it did have a weirdly tiny selection of drinks which meant they just gave you a jug of tap water before you even asked). Buffets are incredibly overpriced now, the expensive ones are good but you'll need to consider that PP they cost the same as a high end restaurant and that you could save money stuffing your face at a mid tier place.
+--- 2426507
+>>2426449 (OP)
+rent a car. they’re cheaper in vegas than most other cities and you’ll save so much money going off strip that it’ll basically pay for itself.
+
+Chinatown (Spring Mountain road just west of the strip) has amazing restaurants for great prices. When you’ve finished with your meal you can pop next door for a rub n tug.
+
+If you’re into /out/ then Red Rock Canyon is only 15-20 min drive west and very scenic. But I prefer Valley of Fire about an hour northeast. Both will be incredible if you’re not familiar with desert landscapes.
+
+The strip is perfectly walkable if you’re in half decent shape but don’t underestimate the distances. Something could look like it’s just down the road but when you’ve got to climb stairs and cross bridges or dip in and out of casinos at every intersection it adds up.
+
+There’s cvs and walgreens every block and even one target on the strip. That’s the place to get your sundries if you don’t have a car, but if you do get a car, there’s some great liquor stores with a really wide variety.
+
+If your hotel doesn’t have an empty mini fridge for the guests, you can call down the front desk and tell them that you need a fridge for your medication, they’ll send one right up without any further questions.
+
+Restaurants generally won’t require reservations but if there’s somewhere you really want to go it can’t hurt to make one, especially if it’s a busy weekend. Worst case, you just bail on your reservation. 
+
+And get a frozen baileys at O’Sheas in the Linq promenade.
+--- 2426749
+>>2426449 (OP)
+>how common is it to grab a styrofoam cooler full of beer and snacks up to your room?
+It's very common and is the most economical thing to do. Get your booze this way instead of paying $9/beer or $20/drink. Use the ABC Stores that are all over or use the CVS/Target/Walgreens like the other anon said. I think the ABC Stores have better prices and selection but any will probably work.
+>Is the strip walkable?
+Yes but the blocks on the strip are bigger than they seem. It will take you like an hour or so to walk from the Venetian down to Luxor for example. If you are going somewhere for a nice steak dinner or something, just take the $8 Uber IMO. Or play boomer for the weekend and rent one of the rascal scooters and scoot around.
+>Do restaurants require reservations or can you walk in?
+It depends on when you are there. During Friday/weekend, it will be very busy and you will likely need them. During the week, you can easily do walkins to most places unless there are lots of conferences in town. All of them use OpenTable or whatever it is so it's easy to do a reservation and cancel if you need.
+--- 2426791
+>>2426449 (OP)
+There is free liquor in literally every strip casino, if you put at least $10 into the bar mounted card machines the bartender will put a folded receipt into a cup in front of you and bring free mix drinks like screwdrivers until you pass out. Go to any bar, play the five card poker game, min bet is like 10 cents, play slowly for an hour getting unlimited comped drinks, tip bartender a couple dollars then go do whatever your plans are. 
+The only way to fuckup is by playing too fast or betting over minimum. Optimally you spend maybe $2 on games, $2 on tip, get 8 comped drinks and walk away.
+The nicer casinos will have servers walking around giving comped drinks to people playing slots and roulette too. Never buy your own alcohol.
+--- 2426796
+>>2426497
+is better to get the bus or monorail. I'm staying in the Aria for 5 days.
+--- 2426816
+>>2426449 (OP)
+Do they still have the Star Wars VR there? I'm not into capeshit but it was pretty cool when I went before covid
+--- 2426848
+What are the strip clubs like? My wife wants to go to one. I’ve been to clubs before but not in vegas
+--- 2427366
+>>2426848
+Oddly enough for sin city none are real close to the strip and they’re especially expensive because of being in Vegas despite being worse than the shady club in your town with the 9 dollar omelette brunch
+--- 2427391
+>>2426449 (OP)
+>how common is it to grab a styrofoam cooler full of beer and snacks up to your room? 
+Very. Once you check into your hotel the first thing you should do is get a case of beer at a local CVS/Walgreens. 
+>Is the strip walkable? 
+Yes, but if you're going to the other end of the strip it's worthwhile to just get an Uber.
+>Do restaurants require reservations or can you walk in? 
+When it doubt it doesn't hurt to have one, but most places take walk ins.
+>I don’t plan on doing much gambling so I’m probably going to see a few shows and concerts. Any recommendations?
+Can't go wrong with any of the Cirque du Soleil shows. I saw Blue Man Group last time I was in Vegas and that was pretty fun, especially if you drink/blaze beforehand
+--- 2427436
+>>2426796
+
+From the Aria, you'll have to walk across the Blvd to access the monorail. If I remember correctly, you'll also have to pass through another casino's floor to get there. However, it definitely helps save on walking since the Strip, despite being a straight road, is frustrating to navigate when it is full of people under the influence of different substances.
+
+As far as snacks/drinks go, it's perfectly reasonable to hit up a CVS to stock up and just go about it that way. That's honestly how I did most of my drinking last time since I'm a skinflint who hates paying $13 for a domestic beer inside of a casino
+--- 2427553
+I freaking love this place bros. Everything’s within walking distance and everyone’s in a partying mood. Expensive as shit though.
+--- 2427556
+>>2427553
+I got here on a 737 too. No fucking around with cazadors or deathclaws. Ain’t that a kick in the head.
+--- 2427587
+>>2427553
+>Formerly Chuck's
+--- 2427868
+>>2427553
+It's a shame none of the photos I did at night came out. All got reflectioned (should have turned off the room light)
+
+Probably easy, but wonder if people can guess my hotel
+--- 2427927
+>>2427553
+>>2427868
+>Probably easy, but wonder if people can guess my hotel
+Tropicana Las Vegas
+--- 2427959
+>>2427927
+>Tropicana Las Vegas
+Nope
+--- 2427975
+>>2427868
+>>2427959
+Easy... Flamingo. Do you like staying with all the blacks there? Or are you black?
+--- 2427984
+>>2427959
+If it's across the street from MGM Grand & Hakkasan, and it's NOT Tropicana, then maybe it's Excalibur?
+--- 2427999
+>>2427975
+Yep. There were a lot of black people, and they were fucking loud
+--- 2428016
+>>2427999
+Stay at Cosmo, Wynn, Palazzo, Nomad, or Aria to avoid *most* of the blacks.
+--- 2428090
+Where are good places to gamble if I’m a (relatively) poorfag? I mostly wanna play blackjack and roulette
+--- 2428098
+>>2428090
+Ellis Island
+Downtown Vegas
+--- 2428190
+>>2428098
+El Cortez downtown is always good when you want to gamble cheap. In the mid 2000's, the table minimums were $1-2 for craps, roulette and blackjack during the week.
+--- 2428996
+I used to love Vegas but last time I went there I felt like they were stealing from me.
+
+I'm a gambling addict, I'll straight up give it to you.
+--- 2429006
+>>2428996
+That's what's so fucking irritating with Vegas. I brought $1500 cash to spend, stop trying to rip me off. All it ultimately did was mean I found it really easy to budget and barely put anything on my card because I don't like getting overly ripped off.
+
+At least other holiday destinations that rip you off like Disney rip you off on things that you can't get elsewhere and try to make you smile with your over-priced purchases.
+--- 2429011
+>>2429006
+For real
+
+Wife and I took like $3,000 cash and I ended up putting another $750 on my room credit card.
+
+>$35 resort fee
+>$50 early check in fee
+>$20+ cocktails 
+>everyone who helps you wants a tip
+>everyone else is trying yo hustle you
+
+At the end of the day I just want to get sauced at a card table, see some shitty cover bands, eat a nice meal or two and escape the rat race for a weekend. But dealing with the Vegas bullshit has become so exhausting that you just give in eventually or stop going altogether
+--- 2429013
+>>2427975
+>>2427999
+You can see the Tropicana sign in the bottom of the picture. Excalibur is on the the other side of Las Vegas Blvd.
+--- 2429023
+>>2429013
+Wrong image anon
+--- 2430399
+>>2428090
+Ellis Island
+Silver Sevens 
+El Cortez 
+
+Even most downtown casinos are $25 tables on weekends these days. Ellis Island and Silver Sevens almost always have $10 available
+--- 2430402
+>>2428090
+if you want to gamble cheap you shouldn't gamble in vegas. go to reno or an indian casino in your home state
+--- 2430994
+Lets get the elephant in the room out of the way.
+
+>Is prostitution legal in Nevada?
+
+Yes only in certain parts of the county but its illegal in the entirety of the las vegas region
+
+>But my buddy said he paid $1,000 for this smoking hot hooker
+
+Yes these working girls roam the Casino bar/club scene for lonely men and "proposition" them 
+
+>If illegal prostitution are that prevalent in casinos why isn't casino doing anything about them?
+
+Because hookers (along with other sins like gambling and drinking) are part of the lure in vegas so casinos and hookers have a mutual understanding
+
+>How do i go about finding a hookers without getting arrested or losing a kidney?
+
+There should be plenty of hooker vegas guides on reddit to help you out
+--- 2431008
+>>2430402
+>>2430402
+indian casino's suck. go to reno.
+--- 2431012
+>>2430994
+Vegas is unironically the worst place for cooming.
+--- 2431013
+>>2431008
+i have a few nice Indian casinos in my state, all about 20-30 miles away
+--- 2431019
+>>2431013
+what state? I am in MN and they only have slot machines and blackjack with the most unfriendly dealers you ever met.
+--- 2431140
+>>2431019
+i live in CA
+--- 2431988
+>>2431012
+This. 
+
+Stay away from the black prostitutes that prowl the casino floors at night. They are run by violent pimps who will fuck you up.
+--- 2432600
+>>2426449 (OP)
+go to their lunches
+--- 2433186
+What is cheaper: travel from LA to the Strip or the other way around? I'm planning a trip where I HAVE to go both places and I'm not really sure how expensive is to travel on bus/train/flight between the two cities or if there are cheaper alternatives, I don't mind uncomfortable rides and I'm not fat if that matters
+--- 2433532
+>>2431012
+This. Expensive as hell just like all of Vegas. You're paying the outrageous hotel costs as it is, why put yourself deeper in the hole when escorts/whores in Vegas are more expensive than anywhere else in the US?
+For a sleazy place, it's oddly expensive to get your dick wet. Better off going to a cheaper state, or better yet, a cheaper country.
+Enjoy Vegas though.
+--- 2436512
+>>2431013
+>>2431019
+>>2431140
+Thoughts on Arizona’s Indian casinos? I’m visiting for work in a few weeks.
+--- 2436513
+>>2431988
+>They are run by violent pimps who will fuck you up.
+I mean all of the hookers that roam the casino floors are looking to rob you or otherwise take advantage of you somehow.
+--- 2436883
+>>2436512
+They're casinos bro. Casinos are all the same.
+--- 2436884
+>>2433186
+Round trip flights to Vegas are subsidized by the casinos so they are the cheapest option.
+--- 2437157
+>>2436883
+You go to a casino to pick up hookers, not to gamble.
+--- 2437164
+>>2437157
+Why is it always an old white man picking up below-average looking black women?
+--- 2437220
+It's a shame that most casinos are more interested in night clubs and pool parties than gambling now. The Wynn was great when it opened, but last time I stayed there it was full of Calvin Harris bros who would sleep 8 in a room meant for 2 and talk about cabanas and bottle service a lot.
+
+Totally agree with the anon further up that renting a car opens up a lot of cool stuff. Shame that so many casinos now charge for parking on top of all the other shit.
+
+Personally, I like the dive bars and shitty strip clubs like 'Talk of the Town' over the overpriced glitzy places. There are so many great food places away from the strip, but taxis probably cost the most per mile in the world.
+--- 2437269
+>>2437220
+Bottle service is retarded. How did they ever convince normies to pay $500 for a 35 dollar bottle of grey goose and some redbulls?
+--- 2437289
+>>2437269
+Status
+--- 2437302
+>>2437269
+>bottle service in Vegas
+>only $500
+
+ Lol. Lmao even. Try $5k
+--- 2437305
+>>2437302
+I haven't been to a club in Vegas since 2009 lmao
+--- 2439661
+>>2426449 (OP)
+casinos boy
+--- 2439922
+pinball hall of fame. play pinball circus, only working copy in the world.
+--- 2441248
+I'm going to Vegas next week and we're staying at the Luxor, like 3 miles from the airport but everything I'm seeing says it will cost at least $20 each way.
+I'm worried the path is not going to be the most walkable, especially with the F1 renovations.
+Probably just going to walk
+--- 2441276
+>>2441248
+get a segway
+--- 2441321
+>>2441248
+Dear Lord. You're going to Vegas and you can't afford $20 to get from the Airport. to your hotel You aren't going to have a good time. Enjoy your room at the Luxor. They haven't been renovated since about 1993. You'll get a really nice variety of bed bugs, head lice and fungus from tourists all over the world in your room.

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+-----
+--- 2427031
+>be travelling around SEA and East Asia
+>dont buy a SIM card because public wifi is everywhere and free
+>arrive at pic related shithole
+>public wifi asks for a thai number
+>half the time it wont even connect
+>many restaurants wont have wifi
+>sometimes even coffee shops dont have wifi
+No wonder China, Vietnam and even fucking Laos are ovetaking this shithole. They are behind on practically everything.
+--- 2427041
+just get a phone with an esim you STUPID FUCK, its 2023
+imagine complaining about this shit when YOU are the one living in the past, holy crap
+--- 2427044
+>>2427041
+kinda redundant to get a sim card when im in a new country every 2 weeks. how about thailand fixes their shit? e
+--- 2427096
+low iq OP
+--- 2427103
+>>2427044
+it takes 5 minutes to set up an esim, imbecile fuckwad
+everyone in thailand just uses mobile internet, so you expect the ENTIRE COUNTRY to set up wifi hotspots just to cater to YOU?
+holy fuck you're a retard
+--- 2427131
+>>2427044
+>I can't bum free wifi off the country
+An e-sim costs like $10 for a week dude.
+--- 2427132
+esim is irrelevant, he might as well get a sim card it's cheap anyway.
+
+mind you I'm mooching off free wifi in indonesia, but that's because it's part of my plan to kick my internet and 4chan addiction. so far I'm having mixed results.
+--- 2427160
+The absolute state of SEA losers in 2023
+--- 2427164
+All the incel bitchboys sperging out, while missing OP’s point that Thailand is - in fact - a cancer shithole
+Just because some of you faggots finally got touched by a woman in thailand, doesn’t mean you have to defend it at all cost
+--- 2427169
+>>2427031 (OP)
+just get a sim card it's like 5 bucks you retard sperg
+--- 2427178
+>>2427164
+>Thailand is a shithole because there isn't free wifi everywhere
+You can drink the water in Thailand, you can't say that about 90% of countries. Oh but Thailand doesn't give you free wifi instead you have to pay pennies to get a sim card.
+--- 2427187
+>>2427031 (OP)
+>Doesn't have a dual-sim phone
+>Doesnt get an e-sim
+You don't have the right to complain.
+--- 2427199
+>>2427031 (OP)
+Same is with Japan. free wifi is extremely hard to find and have to register most of the time to use wifi you do find. gonna make a thread about le japang too?
+--- 2427277
+>>2427199
+Japan is technologically backwards on practically everything so this kinda just proves OPs point about Thailand being a backwards shithole.
+--- 2427322
+>>2427277
+>Japan is technologically backwards on practically everything
+Have you seen their public bathrooms? They have robo toilets and everything is extremely private and nice.
+--- 2427347
+>>2427322
+yeah I have seen their bathrooms. with the shit stains all over the bidet and bowl and the 3 inches of piss on the floor.
+--- 2427349
+>>2427199
+Wut? How hard is to give your Twitter account for free wifi? Everywhere in Japan is the same.
+--- 2427351
+>>2427132
+Keep trying brother, I too am having mixed results.
+--- 2427362
+>>2427349
+Never seen the twitter wifi. 
+>Everywhere in japan is the same
+Spoken like a true tourist who only has been to Tokyo, osaka, and kyoto hahahahaha.
+--- 2427399
+>>2427362
+>I go outside the major cities and have trouble finding wifi
+It's like that in the US too.
+--- 2427408
+>>2427399
+>currently live in small town of 9k people
+>have no problem finding free wifi 
+thats strike 2. want to keep looking retarded?
+--- 2427428
+>>2427031 (OP)
+>No wonder China, Vietnam and even fucking Laos are ovetaking this shithole
+
+Literally fake news
+--- 2427445
+>>2427408
+>I know where the free wifi is in my own town
+Wow so impressive.
+--- 2427476
+>>2427362
+Takayama had free wifi and that is not a precisely a big city. Just giving you a quick example. But you sure told me buddy
+--- 2427542
+>>2427347
+
+wtf, when I was there even their train station toilets were immaculate
+--- 2427568
+Like others have said, get a SIM card, they cost a negligible amount. You're gonna need a working phone if you wanna do you-know-what, anyway. eSIMs are a meme and will subject you to random penis inspections.
+--- 2427818
+>>2427568
+This skit is legitimately funny wtf snl
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctDjnG8J9cY [Embed]
+--- 2427887
+No Google/Apple pay for tourists either; it's retarded as fuck but hey it's Thailand.
+--- 2427888
+>>2427199
+I didn't know this but being the laptop fag that I am that's a huge turn off for me. Why the fuck does Japan not have public wifi?
+--- 2427920
+>>2427031 (OP)
+Get your own damn wifi you fucker
+--- 2428174
+>>2427031 (OP)
+>Arrive in Thailand
+>Buy Thai SIM card
+>SIM card is for 7 days but I leave on the 8th day 
+>Didn't get 14 days cause it would have been overkill 
+>Have flight today (8th day) 
+>Wake up early and get ready to go early
+>Ask hotel how to get to the airport 
+>Take Grab to the train station that they tell me to go to 
+>Find out that there are TWO airports 
+>My airport is BKK
+>In the wrong area
+>"Ok no problem. Let me find some wifi and I'll get a new grab"
+>Go to nearest decent restaurant that I can see
+>No wifi 
+>Go to 7/11 
+>No wifi 
+>Get the brilliant idea to pay for extra data on my sim card at 7/11
+>Cant do that for some reason
+>Go to bookshop 
+>No wifi
+>Go to three coffee shops and a drink shop
+>No wifi 
+>After 45 minutes I find a place with wifi 
+I perfectly good trip turned into an absolute fucking nightmare. HOW THE FUCK DO THESE BROWN MONKEYS NOT GET ANYTHING RIGHT?! I am absolutely seething right now and may miss my flight. In Vietnam there is public wifi everywhere. What a fucking shithole.
+--- 2428179
+>>2428174
+>>HOW THE FUCK DO THESE BROWN MONKEYS NOT GET ANYTHING RIGHT?!
+>You failed to buy a sim card with enough data to cover you for your trip
+>You failed to plan for wifi the day you leave
+>You didn't look up where you were going before you left your hotel room
+>You didn't specify to the hotel clerk you wanted to go to BKK. DMK is a smaller airport but it still services international flights
+>You take a grab to the train station ???? instead of the airport that has free wifi everywhere
+>You can't extend your SIM card because you bought a prepaid sim card worth 7 days (duh retard)
+>This is Thailand's fault
+Why didn't you just ask the hotel clerk to call you a taxi to BKK?
+--- 2428181
+>>2427031 (OP)
+Is this a thing in Thailand post-COVID? I remember 2019 there was wifi pretty much everywhere in all restaurants and cafes and shopping malls and stuff. Went for years and never felt the urge to buy a SIM card.
+--- 2428187
+>>2428179
+Pretty obvious you're a Thai monkey. How about you fix your shithole country?
+>You failed to plan for wifi the day you left
+Didn't expect to use wifi you retard. It's the hotel clerks fault but it honestly shouldn't be this fucking impossible to get wifi. 
+>You didn't specify the hotel
+I'm a tourist. Most cities I've been to just have one airport. Hell I think I even mentioned BKK to her.
+>To take grab to the train station???
+Cause I'm not near the airport. Of course if I would take the taxi directly there you retard. Taking the direct rail line is what saved my ass from missing the flight. Traffic is a thing you dumbass.
+>You can't extend a 7 day sim card
+I'm literally paying them money to do just that. If your sim runs out of data its commonplace to deposit money into it.
+--- 2428189
+>>2428187
+>Pretty obvious you're a Thai monkey. How about you fix your shithole country?
+Pretty obvious you're a retard. Don't travel abroad anymore, it's not for you.
+--- 2428191
+>>2428189
+ok padthaicel. keep pimping out your sister to my countrymen like the cuck you are.
+--- 2428192
+>>2428191
+I'm American and I creampie Thai girls. I don't know why you think a Thai person would be posting on 4chan.
+I've literally never had a problem getting anywhere in Thailand. Then again I'm not retarded.
+--- 2428194
+>>2428192
+>I'm American
+>I creampie Thai girls
+Sure you are ricel.
+--- 2428198
+>>2428194
+You're a schizo as well it seems. Yes, I'm a poor Thai man who speaks English and comes to the 4chan travel board to defend my country against retards who can't figure out how to get to the most traveled to place in the most tourist friendly city in the world.
+--- 2428204
+>>2428174
+>It's Thailand's fault that I'm a retard and can't do a single planning thing right
+--- 2428236
+>>2428192
+Kek. I've been called a ricel too despite being Hispanic. Asian masculinity lives rent free in these people's heads
+--- 2428239
+>>2428174
+You are dumb as fuck. For real
+--- 2428284
+>>2427131
+>$10 for a week
+Holy fucking hell imagine overpaying that much
+Just get a sim at 7-11, you'll pay like a 140 baht for a month of unlimited internet.
+--- 2428287
+>>2428174
+>Find out that there are TWO airports 
+>My airport is BKK
+>In the wrong area
+How are people this fucking stupid, I genuinely don't get it.
+I swear to God, every single time I'm on an airport bus or shuttle in a city with two airports some cretin will realize in panic that he's going to the wrong one.
+--- 2428292
+>>2427031 (OP)
+>Ask hostel where I can get a sim card
+>They tell me at the 711 across the street from us
+>Go there
+>"Sorry we don't sell sim cards to foreigners"
+It's like they actively want me to hate this shithole country. OP learned that hard way that Thailand is a meme country. Don't visit that shithole. 
+>pic related is my brain every time I have to deal with a retarded local Thai monkey
+--- 2428295
+>>2428287
+My guess is that the people on the bus and OP made the same mistake. They both asked a retarded Thai monkey on how to get to the airport and the retarded Thai monkey didn't tell them that there are two airports.
+--- 2428297
+>>2428292
+Just try a different 7/11. The staff is usually terrified of going through the registration process with people who don't speak Thai and will make up excuses to get rid of you.
+I had an actual honest to god TrueMove store tell me they don't carry sims, imagine that.
+--- 2428298
+>>2428295
+Awful luck to end up asking a Thai monkey of all the people in Istanbul.
+--- 2428299
+>thailand is a shithole because there is no public wifi
+A thread died for this
+--- 2428316
+>>2427031 (OP)
+>Thailand is a shithole
+This was my experience too. Rats everywhere and the people see you as a walking ATM ready to scam you. Go visit a civilized East Asian country like Korea or even China. Thailand is a shithole.
+--- 2428320
+>>2428174
+My favorite is this conversation with the average brainlet thai (ie all of them)
+>"which way to the bank/airport/market/temple?"
+>"yes"
+God I hate these faggots.
+--- 2428339
+>>2428174
+
+Next time download the offline google maps for the city you are in, it may help.
+
+The search function won't work though, that's why the night before you check where the airport is. Imagine actually talking to people lmao.
+--- 2428497
+>>2427031 (OP)
+
+Is it true that the Thai language sound really gay? Like really effeminate and also grating? I've heard it compared to finger nails on chalkboards
+--- 2428551
+>>2428497
+You can just google people speaking Thai retard. But no you come here to shitpost instead.
+--- 2428631
+>>2428198
+>he most traveled to place in the most tourist friendly city in the world
+
+Not the guy you're replying to but the fact that "the most travelled to place in the most tourist friendly city in the world" still can't figure out basic services like this in fucking 2023 is kind of testament to how absolutely retarded this place is.
+
+>>2428297
+>The staff is usually terrified of going through the registration process with people who don't speak Thai and will make up excuses to get rid of you.
+
+Same with this. You'd think that after decades of sitting on their ass and having gajillions of tourism $$$ prop up their economy they would learn to not shirk away with a confused face like a furrowed shriveled prune when a foreigner asks the most basic of all questions. Fuck, even in some middle of nowhere hicktown in Vietnam any shoeless rando will gladly set you up with anything you could possibly need. In Thailand an "educated" city worker with 3 mobile phones employed at a shop to sell you the exact thing you're looking for won't even take a 5 second break from popping their zits to barely acknowledge you. Then you look at their reported IQ levels which fall every year and the fact that they spend the most money on the education sector in all of ASEAN while getting the worst results and it all makes sense. 
+
+>>2428299
+>>thailand is a shithole because there is no public wifi
+
+Thailand is a shithole because it's an irrelevant cesspit of incestuous superstitious alcoholics masquerading as a superior culture whilst contributing absolutely nothing of value except sultry men with tits and food that blows your ass out. The lack of public wifi is simply one of their many many issues. Like fuck, how difficult is it to NOT feed a constantly multiplying population of rabid street dogs? They're in their millions now but nobody does anything because muh Buddhism. Or how difficult is it to have actual sidewalks without potholes or spaghetti tangles of wires at head height.
+--- 2428729
+>>2428631
+What "basic services"? Catering to retards who can't even figure out how to get to the correct airport?
+--- 2428804
+>>2427031 (OP)
+TTT here. My new how has public Wi-Fi that isn’t blocked so I’ll be around. I’m going back July 2024. Let me know if you guys will be there
+--- 2429084
+>>2428631
+What else happened to you, anon? Poor thing. Did you fall for the gem scam?
+
+Or you so ugly that even the trannies won't come near you?
+--- 2429097
+>>2428631
+Fuck off to Singapore then you pampered little bitch. Thailand is a beautiful for its faults as it is for its successes. Gentrification pussies who want to sterilize the place need to stay the fuck out of Thailand.
+--- 2429145
+>>2429097
+Thailand is a shithole and should be glassed along with anyone with the stamp in their passport
+--- 2429227
+Costa Rica had the worst phone sim service I have ever experienced from Claro.
+--- 2429446
+>>2429145
+You should probably just stay at home if you can't handle Thailand.
+--- 2429943
+>>2428187
+>>I'm a tourist. Most cities I've been to just have one airport. Hell I think I even mentioned BKK to her.
+You mildly autistic bro? You have to realize that the only thing that you can blame for this at the end of the day is yourself. Heard of online check-in? 
+Bangkok is one of the biggest cities in the world, you think 1 airport would serve 14+ million people? Don't bother going to Tokyo, Seoul, Istanbul or New York in the future, you might somehow fuck it up again. Fuck I think London has like 4 airports, what you gonna do if you end up there?
+
+I was in Thailand last month and it's far from a perfect country. It's the most western SEA country but still a SEA country in most metrics. What makes the overall experience worse are the man children like you running around making life more difficult for locals and tourists that don't have room temp IQ
+--- 2429954
+>>2429943
+>Fuck I think London has like 4 airports
+
+Heathrow; Gatwick; London City; Luton; Standtead; Southend
+--- 2429955
+>>2428284
+
+this retard buys 4Mbps internet. lol.
+--- 2430011
+>>2427322
+those are only for the tourists they still have squat toilets in public places
+--- 2430783
+Some serious issues with OP.
+
+Are Sim Cards hard to find over in thailand? Im heading to Koh Samui next week and need to get one when i get there. Any help would be much appreciated
+--- 2430793
+>>2430783
+Just go to a local cell provider like AIS/dtac and they'll set you up. I think I paid $9 for basically unlimited data/local calling for 30 days. 7/11 or the airport booths will charge you something stupid like $40 for a 2gb 7 day package
+--- 2430798
+>>2430793
+legend mate, thank you for the info
+--- 2430799
+>>2430783
+Type "ais shop" "dtac shop" or "true shop" into google maps, visit shop, buy Thai sim. I think 711 sell True sims, I'm sure I read they have a deal with the network although I bought an AIS sim from 711 a few years back - might have changed since then. 
+
+They may also have counters at Samui airport like they do at Suwanabhum, google it (like you should have done before posting this thread)
+--- 2430801
+>>2430799
+>in this thread
+--- 2432512
+>>2427031 (OP)
+third world conditions
+--- 2432525
+>>2430783
+Quiet a few travellers I meet never buy SIM cards. A lot of countries are just really well connected with public wifi that you never need a sim card. I know a Vietnamese local who doesn't buy internet. 
+Thailand is the exception cause its such a shithole. Every time I go back it feels like I went back 20 years and I remember why I left.
+--- 2433182
+>>2432525
+this would of been valid maybe 20 years ago when everything was paper based and not everything was connected to the internet
+> sir can I see your e-ticket / proof of online purchase?
+> oh sorry I don't have mobile data do you have wifi here somewhere lol
+
+Japan is the posterchild of modern connectivity but most of the free wifi spots literally require a local sim card and number to activate them. free wifi spots are suppose to supplement your data usage not replace it
+--- 2433333
+>>2429955
+Sorry, wasn't aware you're traveling with your seedbox
+--- 2433340
+>>2430799
+>I think 711 sell True sims, I'm sure I read they have a deal with the network
+7/11 Thailand's parent company also has a large stake in True.
+--- 2433366
+>>2427199
+Because Japanese people don't use public wifi in general. Everyone has mobile data and its cheap nowadays. I get 20 GB 4/5 G internet for about $20 with my phone plan, and upgrading to 100 GB is only a little more.
+Meanwhile, most tourists are not abject poorfags, so they will rent a mobile hotspot for a few dollars a day.
+--- 2433750
+OP is a faggot and his thread sucks; this is now a Thailand General. Anyone know where I can find an opium den in Thailand? More specifically around Chiang Mai?
+
+Thanks anons.
+--- 2433802
+>>2427031 (OP)
+The sim cards in Thailand are cheap, I don't see why anyone would bother with wifi when you can just pay $25 at the airport and have data for a month. I landed in Japan after and was floored when they wanted $80 and don't even give you a phone number.
+--- 2433823
+>>2433750
+There are small tribal villages outside of Pai in Mae Hong Song (accessible with a scooter) where they sell opium to tourists. Never done it myself but it's been a thing for years apparently. That's the closest thing to opium dens I've ever heard about.
+--- 2433826
+>>2433823
+>Son
+--- 2433854
+>>2433823
+Thanks, appreciate the answer. >>2433802
+Can a call be spoofed with them or would I need a totally new phone to send prank texts to buddies for the lulz?
+--- 2435324
+>his hotel doesnt have free wifi
+>his phone plan from back home doesnt allow for unlimited roaming and 100gb+ data
+Why do you need wifi when out in public? Are you playing league of legends in some thai park?
+--- 2436967
+>>2433366
+Because nips are supreme. Only boomer and poorfags whine about public Wifis.
+--- 2436970
+>>2428284
+>being so poor, spending $10 in a week is a big deal
+--- 2437019
+Why is everyone in this thread acting like no public Wi-Fi is only a thing in poor countries? US doesn’t have it
+--- 2437020
+>>2437019
+Majority of Western countries don't. It's just as Asian thing.
+--- 2437035
+>>2437019
+>Thai shithole doesn't have wifi 
+>"WELL whatabout the US?! They also don't have wifi?!"
+Cause the US is also a shithole. It's the Africa of first world countries and I'm only half joking when I say that.
+--- 2437150
+>>2437035
+Public wifi isn't even a thing in most euro countries.
+--- 2437225
+Last time I was in BKK they were giving away free sims when we got off the gate. I just went to a 7-Eleven to top it up after the 2GB ran out. Think it cost me about $5. 
+
+There are tons of places you can get sim cards really cheap.
+--- 2438808
+To reemphasise: Nignogs that care about public wifi should be executed. And I don't mean .exe, I mean heads rolling. Poorfags. Whining about public wifi in 2023. Shut the fuck up.
+--- 2440450
+I just use T-mobile and have unlimited data at 512kb/second. 
+Not good but it works
+--- 2440495
+Most wifi passwords in Thailand including the airports is 12345678 but you can just download an app that will tell you all the stores wifi passwords wherever you go
+--- 2440512
+Most retarded thread on /trv/
+just buy a sim card you autists
+--- 2441323
+>>2440495
+what app is that

trv/2430084.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,338 @@
+-----
+--- 2430084
+What would you do to fend off fatties seated next to you?
+
+I was thinking of:
+- put the armrest down and just say no if a fatty asks to put it up. Have them call a FA. Only works when you are on the window or middle seat
+- force the armrest down with no regards to how much it hurts the fatty
+- force down the tray with no regards to push fat away
+- pretend to go to the toilet and mention to a FA that you cannot put your armrest down and you feel unsafe. Prepare to show the FA the airlines guidelines.
+
+I have seen a fellow fitizen suffer from a really obese woman on my last flight and I fear I may be next up.
+--- 2430091
+Bluetooth headset on. Armrest, down. If they or their body touches me I call a flight attendant and explain this person keeps touching me without my consent, and I want it to stop. If they do it again I ask for an air marshal and explain I'm pressing charges when we land.
+
+I do not interact with the fatty at all. I do not say anything to them that may imply I consent for their bulk to touch or rest on me. I bypass fatty excuses and go straight to authority.
+
+It has worked twice nice, once with amazing success (fatty was removed from aircraft before flight because no room to put him somewhere else).
+
+>don't touch me
+>I said stop touching me 
+>(insert "I can't help it" / "sorry" here
+>excuse me miss this person won't stop touching me even though I asked them not to, can I move?
+>if I can't move then can they move?
+>if they touch me again I'm going to consider it assault and press charges, can I count on you for a witness statement?
+
+Just be a cunt about it. Fatties don't deserve human rights so treat them like they don't exist and are simply an obstacle.
+--- 2430096
+>>2430091
+>dont touch me
+holy shit, thats a great strategy, thank you. So once the fatty got removed, what happened in your other success? Did you just get a new seat? What if the plane is full though.
+--- 2430102
+>>2430084 (OP)
+I don't fly economy because I'm not a poor 4chan chud, I've made it out the virtual ghetto and niggas love to hate
+--- 2430245
+>>2430091
+that is fucking brilliant!
+--- 2430286
+>>2430091
+You sound like an absolute faggot. No, scratch that. You are an absolute faggot. This is like calling the cops over trespassing because there are kids on your front lawn. Man the fuck up.
+--- 2430322
+>>2430286
+>fatty spills over to your seat
+>fatty has no regard for others that resulted form the fatties decisions
+>"man up and enable the fatty"
+how is it our fault if a fatty cant stop eating 24/7. Fatties spilling over only happens if you are really obese so you have to been eating non stop for years to get there.
+--- 2430324
+>>2430322
+The fatties I've been around on planes have been more mannered and respectful than the the showerless teenage druggies. They most often don't smell because of how much cologne they've put on, and are more willing to accept their faults because of their apparent size. Some of the most enjoyable conversations I've had on planes have been with fatties.
+--- 2430325
+>>2430324
+>most often don't smell because of how much cologne they've put on
+
+>don't smell
+>how much cologne they've put on
+the americanest shit.
+--- 2430335
+>>2430324
+sounds cool and all, except for the fact you are being crushed by some obese fatty the whole flight. At least with smelly druggies I can put on a facemask or something to filter the smell.
+--- 2430336
+>>2430335
+They weren't that big.
+--- 2430372
+>>2430322
+>you have to been eating non stop for years to get there
+Yes, which is why these people are awful to be around. It's not just that they're fat, but they usually have shitty borderline personality traits, poor impulse control, poor hygiene and will bring their own sloppy food where they go. I'm not talking about someone who is a little heavy but 300+ pounders.
+--- 2430376
+>>2430336
+for you
+--- 2430382
+>>2430084 (OP)
+im too tall to touch the armrests when seated upright anyway
+--- 2430549
+>>2430084 (OP)
+Fatfuck >>>>> sitting next to a stinky pajeet that stares at you
+--- 2430576
+>>2430091
+
+you have literally never done this.
+--- 2430580
+>>2430286
+No, the faggot is the fat fuck who didn't buy two seats and thought he could rest his fat on another person for a 6 hour flight. 
+
+Kill yourself, fat fuck. I will not "man the fuck up" to deal with YOUR obesity. I will have you charged with assault if you touch me without my consent, period.
+--- 2430582
+>>2430576
+I have. I fly all the time for business and have several encounters with obese passengers. I tell them to stop touching me m, and if they don't stop touching me, then it's game on.
+
+Just because somebody is physically large doesn't mean they are allowed to touch you.
+--- 2430604
+>Fly Southwest
+>Pay the extra $40 for A1-A15 boarding
+>First 30 passengers all pick their window or aisle seats that they wanted
+>Rest of A, then B, then C boards
+>The D people then shuffle on. These are the retards that only check in upon arrival at the ticket counter. Almost always obese.
+>D person sits between you and the other A1-A30 passenger, thus negating many of the benefits of boarding first
+
+Such is the duality of early boarding.
+--- 2430627
+>>2430604
+>not being that chad that shows up at the last possible second on MDMA from the club you left an hour before your flight was scheduled to leave and gets a cart ride to the gate, where they are keeping the plane open specifically for you, and making everyone else late
+Ngmi
+--- 2430631
+>>2430084 (OP)
+Personally I think society should adjust a bit more for the overweight.
+--- 2430669
+>>2430631
+Yeah, by turning them into a newer version of whale oil
+>>2430627
+>show up high on mdma for flight
+>make it a point to sit in between two ham beasts
+>physical touch endorphins through the roof the entire trip as their bulbous rolls vibrate against you
+--- 2430671
+>>2430669
+Too bad you'd fall in love with them or that would be a god tier plan
+--- 2430694
+>>2430631
+Overweight people already fit in the seats with armrests down, Obese ones do not
+--- 2430697
+>>2430580
+You can try, nigga.
+I'm a 6ft5 monster of decadence and believe me when I say that I will gaslight the fuck out of the attendants whenever they arrive. If need be, i will pretext that i need to take a wicked shit (as is my prerogative, no one will doubt my giant self), And this circus will only have to last until we take off, nigga. 
+
+You WILL enjoy the next 6 hours unless you can convince the flight attendants to upgrade me, i'm not moving anywhere and I will touch you so hard the pope will ask me to become his cardinal.
+--- 2430698
+>>2430669
+You forgot the part when you try to convince the two fatties to threesome you and the shame afterwards
+--- 2430756
+> larp thread
+none of you autist fuckers will ever do this
+you'll sit there quietly seething for 8 hours then ragepost for weeks on a Bulgarian earthenware forum
+--- 2430763
+>>2430084 (OP)
+okay this thread is based
+--- 2430765
+>>2430091
+things that never happened but made me kek either way
+--- 2430777
+>>2430697
+How do you shit on a plane? Open the door and aim from the aisle?
+--- 2430797
+>>2430756
+I have low standards for flying, but some fatty crushing my body is something I will defend with vigilance. Dont care if some zoomer puts it on tiktok. If someone calls me fatphobic I will ask that person if they wish to switch seats with me, gonna shut him up alright. If the attendants do nothing, I will just force my armrest down until the fatty screams, not my problem its safety after all.
+May I go down as the most hated obnoxious person on the plane, but at least I wont have my first days ruined by a sore body.
+--- 2430804
+>>2430797
+you'll go full black lady is what you're saying?
+--- 2430849
+>>2430804
+whatever you want to call it, i dont care. Why should I not speak up when I dont get what I paid for and my literal health is at danger.
+--- 2430875
+>>2430091
+Holy based, to the point of a fat nigger ITT seething
+--- 2430909
+>>2430580
+I get not wanting to deal with fatties but cops, be they local or federal, are not going to do a goddamn thing. American cops aren't showing up for actual crimes anymore, let alone made up ones. Just having a fat person's arm touch you might technically be construed as assault but no prosecutor is going bother and will tell you to gtfo. I'd laugh if you got charged with making a false report and being put on an airlines "problem customer list" and having them refuse to sell you tickets in the future. You might get a stewardess who just wants to shut you the fuck up and removes the fatty but eventually you'll escalate an incident enough they'll decide you're not worth their business.
+--- 2430979
+>>2430091
+>don't mess with me or I'll tell on you
+>I've been known to snitch a time or two, punk
+
+Reddit moment
+--- 2431022
+>>2430322
+No, it's more that you're a snitch. You don't have the balls to solve your own problems like a man so you cry like a little girl to an authority figure. Imagine not even having the guts to deal with your problems head on. What are you gonna do when there's no-one to cry to, little pussy? You're a weak coward
+--- 2431033
+>All this fatty seething.
+--- 2431042
+>>2430091
+Coke bottle glasses & a receding hairline
+--- 2431047
+>>2430091
+You wouldn't do shit lmao
+--- 2431241
+>>2431033
+I am surprised fatties even come here
+--- 2431245
+>>2431241
+What did you think all the paypig incels that shit everything up look like? Lol
+--- 2431248
+bro imagining scenarios on his head
+--- 2431252
+>>2430084 (OP)
+America: the thread
+--- 2431262
+>>2430777
+Go to the toilet you fucking retards. Planes have toilets. I will just wait there until take off, open the door like Shrek in that opening, and then come back to my seat to crush people under the might of my fat.
+
+>can't go before takeoff
+You're a fat fuck, say you have diarrhea.
+--- 2431416
+>>2431022
+>t. never dealt with a true fatty
+--- 2431418
+>>2430627
+>chad
+> MDMA
+
+Chads are not drug addicts, retard
+--- 2431568
+>>2431418
+the guys who have the most sex probably use lots of drugs
+--- 2431588
+>>2431418
+>thinks people get addicted to MDMA
+kek ok brainlet. I do it once every 6 months or so, once i've had time for my brain chemicals to fully recover
+--- 2431753
+>>2430091
+and then everyone clapped
+--- 2432111
+>>2430084 (OP)
+I'm in Tenerife flying to the UK next week. I'm fucking dreading it because of all the landwhales around here. They're so fat they can barely walk and drive mobility scooters everywhere. It's 4.5 hours on Easyjet. I reserved an aisle seat, that's really my only hope so I can lean over in the event of Orca sitting next to me. If I got a center seat I don't think I would make it without going into a claustrophobic panic wedged between two mountains of human lard. And those fuckers sweat and smell like it, too.
+--- 2432249
+Fucking Asians, they're skinny but do not respect NO TOUCHING. If the agressive stare doesn't set them straight i gently pick up their insect limb and move it back to their seat. Then they do the Asian grovel: ooohhhh so sarry mistah ching bong ding long.
+--- 2432280
+>there are actually people ITT defending fatties resting their corpulence on you for multiple hours
+They know how big they are. They should buy two tickets, lose some weight or travel a different way.
+Your personal bag has to fit under the seat, your body needs to fit in the boundaries of your seat. 
+Personally, I've never had to say anything before the flight attendants notice an uncomfortable looking petite girl being smooshed by some fat fuck and do their jobs to cease the assault on me.
+--- 2432659
+this thread is comedy gold, i love seeing obese fags seethe
+--- 2432685
+>>2432280
+Post feet pics.
+--- 2432715
+I will fly private, first or business class, or take a train. I can never fly economy again, it is hell on earth. I did it to save money, thinking I could stretch my money farther, and work less, for what? Spend all your money before you die.
+--- 2432724
+>>2430286
+>neighborhood kids playing in my front yard
+>one trips on my garden gnome and bust his teeth
+>parents sue me for damages
+its MY lawn bitch get off it
+--- 2432747
+>>2430286
+How overweight are you?
+--- 2432848
+>>2432747
+a little on the chubby side
+--- 2432865
+>>2432848
+this is what /trv/ has become. holy shit i hate this place
+--- 2432901
+>>2430091
+>Just report people to the jannies
+Kys faggot. We used to ridicule tattle tales like you. If I were fat and sitting next to you I would bash your head against the tray table. God I fucking hate zoomers
+--- 2432917
+>>2432901
+ok fatty
+--- 2433050
+>>2432901
+Can you even lift your arm?
+--- 2433496
+>>2431262
+SomeBODY once rolled me
+--- 2433538
+With all the tranny hate lately it feels really good to get back to our roots of hating fat fucks, who have been very sadly ignored lately when they still deserve to be bullied.
+--- 2433539
+>>2433050
+I don't have to lift shit, you skinnyfags bring me my double QP's curbside bitch
+--- 2433675
+>>2431022
+>t.fat faggot who's never been able to put down the fork
+--- 2434049
+>>2430084 (OP)
+I've never had unknown fat people sit next to me in trains, buses or planes, but I have a morbidly obese friend who traveled with me months ago and I learned my lesson since then. Never again. Ever.
+--- 2434055
+>>2430324
+Cologne smells awful and doesn't cover strong shit smells.
+--- 2434119
+>>2430091
+>Fatties don't deserve human rights
+based
+--- 2434396
+>>2430627
+I did this in Paris. They made the plane wait while someone sat next to me for 15mins to gauge my attitude. I just read a book for that time and off
+--- 2434897
+>>2430091
+That fat mans name? 
+Albert Einstein.
+--- 2436814
+>TFW long flight seated next to a fatty
+>won't stop touching me
+> feels akward but eventually have to get comfortable with it
+> best sleep ever on their fat tit meat
+> milk is best in-flight meal i've ever had
+
+sitting next to a fatty can be wonderful don't knock it until you've tried it
+--- 2436823
+>>2430091
+90÷ of the times you do this the fatty will just be upgraded to 1st class to resolve the conflict. They always have extra space and it's the solution that leads to the least hurt feelings. Not worth it, just push the armrest down and watch them squel like a pig. Consider them gasping for air your entertainment.
+--- 2436829
+i sat next to a fat caribbean church lady, she smelled like lotion and was like leaning in next to a pillow all flight
+--- 2436831
+ITT Twink fembois 
+
+Move over retard I bet you complain about leaning the seat back too. In my Ford f150 we don't care about size and neither should you while I drink beer clap loud at landing and enjoy my holiday
+--- 2438248
+>>2436823
+a fatty thats now in 1st class instead of next to me is like a 1st class to me.
+--- 2438253
+>>2430091
+fpbp
+--- 2438260
+https://youtu.be/Nu_xTC5Gc2U?t=121 [Embed]
+--- 2438684
+>>2432715
+I fly business even in Europe which is basically the same seating as economy. I just can't fucking stand cattle class anymore. They don't know how to board or deplane and keep getting up and being loud. It's not even the annoying children - it's their parents, "Johnny, sit down! Sit down, Johnny! Johnny don't do that. Johnny be quiet!" Hours of that talk. I'm on the side of Johnny. Just let him run around and shut up, mommy. My last trip from Spain to the UK would have cost 100 euros in cockroach class, but I paid 500 just to sit in the front of the plane with no real frills aside from being away from the cattle.
+--- 2438686
+>>2430084 (OP)
+Just fly first class or private? Or book a seat next to your friends or family?
+--- 2438698
+>>2438686
+>Or book a seat next to your friends or family?
+I don't want them sitting next to me.
+--- 2439521
+>>2438686
+>went on holidays abroad with friend
+>she used to be a bit fat but nothing major
+>we saw each other on a regular basis for years so I didn't notice she became morbidly obese
+>"when I was younger and saw [some guy] in Lost asking for a seat belt extender in one episode I was sooo mortified it became my phobia lol
+>we get in the plane
+>finally realized she's morbidly obese as she's taking nearly half on my seat
+>she asks for a seat belt extender, a little embarrassed when asking, she puts in on
+>looks like the seat belt is barely enough to hold her, entire fucking trip is uncomfortable until it's over and we go back home
+Never again. Next time I'm solo traveling. I'll go back to London alone and do some of the things I couldn't do because she asked for breaks all the time because "muh legs uwu"
+--- 2439540
+>am considerably overweight for my height, 180 pounds at 5'6
+>eat disgusting amounts of food at times because I have little self control
+>am still able to easily fit in an economy seat without touching anything
+
+I literally can not fathom how people can possibly get this large. I just don't get it. How is it possible to eat that much? Are they eating three full pizzas and drinking 6 milkshakes a day?
+
+I flew back from Japan last month and across the aisle there was a whale, every time she got up from her seat and moved into the aisle it smelled like pure death and shit. What the fuck?
+--- 2439575
+>>2439540
+Nigga you’re 5’6 of course you can’t fathom getting large
+--- 2439577
+>>2439540
+If you’re the equivalent of 5ft 6in 180lbs, but you are 6ft instead, you will probably start spilling over.

trv/2430385.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,89 @@
+-----
+--- 2430385
+I am planning to do a trip to Europe this summer, but I am not a frequent flyer.
+Do they actually weigh your carry on bag in Europe? My bag fits easily, but it weighs 24lbs or 11kg.
+If they weigh it and its above their 8kg limit, can I just take out stuff and put it in a smaller (also fitting) personal item bag right then and there? I would put that bag in my carry on.
+Can I put that personal item bag back into my carry on afterwards?
+
+Sorry this sounds like im a retarded tourist, but I have no clue what would happen, I have never had problems here. Thank you /trv/ I absolutely want to avoid checking anything.
+--- 2430419
+>>2430385 (OP)
+Can't speak for Europe, but in North America, there are factors like the type of airline you're flying (if they're a ULCC), and the airplane you're flying on (where the plane may need to be balanced)
+
+Worst thing, you can carry your hormones for transitioning and then place them into your luggage after boarding.
+--- 2430440
+>>2430385 (OP)
+>Do they actually weigh your carry on bag in Europe?
+This usually happens with low-cost airlines that actually make money from this. I doubt it would ever happen with a major airline like British Airways or Air France, but it definitely can happen with Ryanair or easyJet.
+--- 2430449
+Typically the rule of thumb is that no one is going to bother you if you just have everything in a backpack. They usually only make a fuss about huge rolling bags that people can't even lift into the overhead bins.
+
+That being said, what the fuck do you need 24lbs of?? Are you traveling for months? Are you taking your own food?? My guess is that you could seriously downsize your pack and save yourself a lot of trouble. Even carrying an extra 24lbs on your back all day can be exhausting.
+--- 2430695
+>>2430449
+I am a camera gearfag. 24lbs is with that gear and everything else I need for travel. I wont be having 24lbs on me at all time, but I could easily carry it if needed. My backpack is very comfortable. Thanks for your input btw, I hope I slip past with just one backpack.
+
+>>2430440
+so if my backpack is over the limit, can I just take out 3kgs, put it in a foldable bag and say thats my personal item? Seems kind of retarded since I would put it right back in afterwards anyway.
+--- 2430717
+>>2430695
+>Seems kind of retarded
+It is but rules are rules and the average airport wagie isn't paid enough to care.
+--- 2430759
+>>2430695
+The ultra LCCs that might actually weigh your bag (incidentally, I fly with EasyJet frequently and I’ve never seen them do it) sometimes don’t give you one carry on plus a “personal item”—it’s supposed to be one object in the cabin with you, period. Easyjet charges more to let you use an overhead bin, and that might actually be their official policy too, but they’re not all that fussy with details that I’ve noticed. People bring in a carryon plus food, etc. all the time.
+--- 2430762
+>>2430759
+The only carrier I can remember who actually weighed my carryon doesn’t even exist anymore, I don’t think—Airberlin?
+--- 2430914
+>>2430385 (OP)
+I used to work for the biggest ulcc in Europe, sometimes they can be strict with the sizing but I never saw them caring about the weight.
+--- 2431004
+Backpack is a great tip, I've been working as a check-in agent at an airport for 5 years and I never checked the weight of a backpack in my life. Keep in mind airlines that operate from their hub generally have much lower standards than foreign airlines as the sheer volume of flights makes it much more difficult to keep track of statistics. Back when I was working on Aegean in Warsaw we had a fuckload of targets to meet, specific quotas of cabin baggages we had to check in but whenever I observed a flight arriving from Athens I've never seen a single cabin baggage tag or any other sticker
+--- 2431006
+>>2430449
+>>2430385 (OP)
+>traveling to europe for 3 months
+>bringing a small backpack
+Just use a laundromat (I did read camerafag tho. I do photography and usually my shit is only 10 lbs max and the tripod collapses)
+--- 2431015
+>>2431004
+>>2430914
+>>2430762
+thanks, that puts me at ease
+
+>>2431006
+I only wear merino wool when traveling and handwash it in a shower. I take one spare of each and 2 spares for underwear/socks.
+How do you get all your travel gear + camera gear to only 10lbs, especially with a tripod?
+--- 2431159
+>>2430440
+>air france
+
+They do check in CDG terminal 2F, as 2F exclusively operates Air France flights and nothing else. They will pick people with luggage and make them weigh it. That’s before security. 
+They SOMETIMES do it in terminals that exclusively operates one single airline company. They have a dedicated wagie doing it before security so time isn’t wasted for other wagies.
+--- 2431174
+>>2430759
+I’ve flown easyJet several hundred times over the years (decades!) and I’ve had cabin baggage weighed exactly once. There were a lot of people trying to take ten litres of spirits on board which I think is why they were being strict. 
+
+Like the other anon I travel with a lot if camera gear and i stick to the limits. It’s very unlikely it’ll be a problem but there is no way I’m putting my gear in the hold.
+--- 2431180
+>>2430440
+>I doubt it would ever happen with a major airline
+They "randomly" check everybody in VIE although you can just walk past the wagie trying to direct you to the scale, he cannot do anything once you've passed the ticket barrier.
+--- 2432542
+>>2430385 (OP)
+just get some bags
+--- 2434485
+I have yet to had my bag weighed as i normally check a bag. Carry ons will usually only be 5-10 Euros cheaper than a checked bag on Eurowings and Ryanair. I have been on crowded ryan air flights (to the UK from Europe) where they force you to check your carry on unless you"ve paid for their priority boarding...
+--- 2437242
+>>2430385 (OP)
+dont break it
+--- 2437272
+>>2430385 (OP)
+I was in europe last november, and took 11 flights, some low cost carriers (Vueling, Ryanair and Easyjet) and some traditional carriers (AF, Iberia, Finnair), the only one that had a 8kg bag limit was Finnair and in no flights our bags were weighted, but like the other anons said, if it fits it it can probably fly, they don't care that much about weight unless your bag is incredibly large and you struggle to carry it, otherwise they will assume your bag is ok to fly
+Also, not all airports have scales, only saw them in Barcelona, Venice and Milano
+Regarding your other questions, if the weight is negligible they will let you go through, otherwise yeah, you can shuffle some stuff to other bags, the weight limit in carry-on is less about the fuel cost and more about the overhead bin maximun supported weight
+Also yes, you can put that personal item inside your bag in the way to the plane, no one is going to stop you unless like i said, your bag looks massive with it and you struggle to get it to the overhead bin
+--- 2439660
+>>2430385 (OP)
+yes you can

trv/2431347.txt

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+-----
+--- 2431347
+Post your mental illness and you solutions. I have such a big fucking social anxiety that I am afraid of uknown. I remember when I was in japan I went to eat to mcdonalds every night. I was so afraid to eat in great restaurants because everything was in japanese.
+--- 2431392
+>>2431347 (OP)
+Schizophrenia pays for my travel
+--- 2431398
+>>2431347 (OP)
+If you're in a third world country then eating at goyslop chains is a legitimate way of avoiding food poisoning. Especially important before flights.
+--- 2432552
+>>2431347 (OP)
+get help
+--- 2433954
+>>2431347 (OP)
+could you live/travel in a second world country just with american neetbux?
+(around 1200$ per month)
+--- 2434053
+>>2431347 (OP)
+keep travelling I would say to your situation specifically. social anxiety gets better the more social situations you find yourself in.
+--- 2434419
+>>2431347 (OP)
+That's not mental illness, you're just cautious and/or a wimp. I can relate though, I ate at Mcdonald's all the time in Japan, and also the Japanese fast food chains. There is real value in just straightforwardly ordering, easily finding a place to sit, and not having to comb over the menu with a translate app figuring out what everything is while you're traveling and your time is precious and you probably just want to fucking sit down and rest anyway.
+Plus every highly rated was restaurant had a long line and, ironically, was full of tourists.
+McDonalds and the chains I mentioned were always 90%+ Japanese people. Better places for actually feeling like you're in Japan most of the time.
+--- 2434442
+>>2434419
+I'd probably do this too. I'm not really a big 'foodie' so a bunch of boiled squid in a hot bowl doesn't sound too great. I'll take the number 7 goyslop combo with extra goy sauce PREASEE. Just let me get my empty calorie, brainfog inducing garbage down my gullet so I can go stare at the local girls, not talk to them and fantasize about our lives together
+--- 2434460
+>>2431347 (OP)
+What I do if I do not know the local language is point at menu items, sometimes with a smile if it's a qt taking my order
+--- 2434465
+This is the most relevant thread on /trv/ 
+
+You motherfuckers got problems.
+--- 2434680
+>>2431347 (OP)
+Maybe you need an SSRI. It takes the edge off
+--- 2434844
+>>2431347 (OP)
+I enjoy travelling with a plane more than actually being in the destination
+--- 2434862
+>be me, autistic and anxious
+>never left mommys basement
+>never travelled more than 2 hours outside of my city (that i've lived in all my life)
+>enough is enough
+>gonna big dick it and book a flight halfway across the world and never come back
+the meltdown and consequent IBS is gonna be fun but i think it's the right thing to do
+--- 2436716
+I get mild depression and I might be schizoid, I buy a bottle of Wellbutrin when I'm in places with unrestricted pharmacies and take one every few weeks if I start becoming too much of a shut-in neet
+--- 2436822
+>>2434862
+im in the same boat. booked my Japan flight as my graduation from NEETdom. i also have ibs and anxiety but fuck it. trips coming up in a month now and i know i just need to go
+--- 2437247
+>>2434419
+>go to a country with the best cuisine in the world 
+>eat goyslop
+--- 2437270
+>>2434862
+I did that. 
+I got around fine too. 
+But nothing changed, I'm still retarded and anxious. Expensive and lonely, saw cool things at least.
+--- 2437273
+>>2431347 (OP)
+McDonald’s is the best restaurant in the World.
+--- 2437274
+>>2436822
+Nice, I wanna move to Japan for good but I'm a brokeboi rn so I'm thinking of going to Bangkok for a bit first in and living off my savings so I can try and get income coming in somehow
+>>2437270
+Yeah I'm worried that I won't change either lol
+--- 2437487
+>>2437274
+i think just getting out and leaving your comfort zone will do wonders. Japan can come after that. I believe in you bro
+--- 2439663
+>>2431347 (OP)
+no cure for bipolar

trv/2431411.txt

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+-----
+--- 2431411
+I am being offered the opportunity to travel there for work in a couple of weeks, for three days. I'd spend most of the time on a campus, but might have time for looking around the city. Is it worth going? I honestly don't like travel that much. And it seems like it's just a Harvard/MIT town.
+--- 2431425
+>>2431411 (OP)
+Three days is perfect for a place like Boston. It's a nice little town but you'll quickly tire of it. 
+
+>And it seems like it's just a Harvard/MIT town.
+As you say, there isn't much to do aside from go to school and try to nail coeds.
+--- 2431446
+>>2431411 (OP)
+i guess there are a few nice restaurants
+--- 2431458
+>>2431411 (OP)
+Tallula is great if you're near Harvard, so is Zinneken's for breakfast. 
+
+I'd make the trek over to the North End if I were you. A meal at Dolce Vita is always worth the trip, and Modern Bakery is right next door for you to grab dessert. Great way to spend a night out, especially in the company of a woman.
+--- 2432553
+>>2431411 (OP)
+yes
+--- 2434522
+>>2431446
+The oldest operating restaurant in the country is in Boston
+--- 2434704
+>>2431411 (OP)
+Honestly it's not a great place to visit compared to some of the alternatives. I had more fun driving the hour up to Portland. Legal Sea Food is kinda overrated.
+--- 2434706
+>>2434704
+>Legal Sea Food is kinda overrated.
+When they have one at the airport, you know it's gonna suck ass
+--- 2436864
+>>2434706
+It’s really overrated. The value is not there at all. It’s not like the fish is coming out of the damn Atlantic unless you are eating cod. All world class cities have fish flown in daily for high end restaurants. I have lived in Boston for 4 years and fucking hate it, but if you came for 3 days wanted to see some American history stuff it would probably be a good time for you.
+--- 2437159
+>>2434522
+And it's called...?
+--- 2438057
+>>2437159
+He maybe thinking of the Warren Tavern which is a really chill spot near bunker hill. Hope you are short like all the manlets around here or you will need to duck. It’s fun good chowder if you like it THHHHICCC
+--- 2439687
+>>2431411 (OP)
+Masshole here. idk what the fuck that photo is, Boston is a fucking shit hole. it's disgusting. There is not one good nice part to boston. How fucking stupid do you have to be to look at Boston on instagram and think that's what it loks like? go to boston in a box truck and break the speed record on Storrow drive without your seatbelt on please.
+--- 2439689
+>>2439687
+It's obviously the Quincy Market. Really nigga? How often have you even been to Boston? If Boston has failings, it's that it's boring, not that it's a shithole. Though the recent implosion of the MBTA may change that very soon.
+--- 2440230
+>>2431411 (OP)
+beautiful city but it seems like a schoolie area.
+--- 2440233
+>>2439687
+I've been to Boston. It is pretty decent there. You want a REAL shit hole, stroll over to Philadelphia.

trv/2431718.txt

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+-----
+--- 2431718
+Hey last, I take 4 weeks off and would like to spend them in Africa.
+
+Had a blast in Ethiopia (mountains, deserts, jungle, safari - diverse). Any country recommendation?
+
+Was thinking about Madagascar (safety?) and Uganda / Rwanda.
+--- 2431719
+I heard Sierra Leone is a lot of fun
+--- 2431721
+>>2431718 (OP)
+The Sahel is where you can still find real adventure
+--- 2431724
+>>2431721
+Heard good stuff about Mauritania and Mali, but probably not in May or June.
+--- 2431821
+>>2431718 (OP)
+Is Ethiopia a good country for someone's first Africa trip?
+--- 2431830
+>>2431821
+I think so, it is unlike other African countries. The local, especially north of Addis, are quite shy and reserved. Youngsters speak English.
+
+I was travelling around solo with buses and one inland flight (Mekkele to Addis). Never felt unsafe. South of Addis seems more wild but still manageable. I guess it gets like this the more you go to black Africs.
+--- 2431851
+>>2431724
+Libya to Chad to CAR to Congo and the Atlantic coast would be an amazing trip.
+--- 2431909
+>>2431851
+Been there?
+--- 2431928
+why did the kenya thread get deleted?
+--- 2431930
+>>2431928
+Because western men aren't allowed to have sex with foreign women. We have to simp for western feminists.
+--- 2431938
+>>2431930
+well hopefully that 30yr old boomer that was giving advice comes to this thread
+--- 2432123
+Bump
+--- 2432129
+Kenya is the new Phillipines for white guys. Get on prep and wrap it up.
+--- 2432296
+>>2432129
+>wrap it up
+Fag
+ONLY unprotected creampies
+--- 2432313
+I’ve been to Senegal a few times; good destination in terms of its diversity, and it’s the least shitty country in the region. if I had a month I’d lump it in with the Bissagos islands and the Fouta Djallon in Guinea.
+--- 2432601
+>>2432313
+Could u pls expand on diversity in Senegal? Your experience?
+--- 2432651
+>>2432601
+Sahel in the north, jungle in the south, and each of the 3 major rivers (Senegal, Saloum, Casamance) has a very different character. Most of the country is Muslim but Casamance is Christian/Animist so you can drink beer and chat up women there. It's a good country if you want to hike/bike around in the bush and visit traditional villages. Best of all, it's visa-free for Westerners.
+--- 2432690
+>>2431718 (OP)
+>Was thinking about Madagascar (safety?) and Uganda / Rwanda.
+
+
+Sounds like you're into nature and ecotourism so hopefully it's a legit question.
+
+I spent about 2 years all across Africa with the majority of that time in Uganda and surrounding countries and then Burkina Faso and surrounding countries. (Not counting time in MENA which is so culturally different)
+
+Uganda, while poor and a bit sketchy if you go to the north and LRA territory, has breathtakingly beautiful nature, kind people, and enough tourism infrastructure that you can have some amenities without paying south Africa prices.
+
+You could fly into Entebbe, make your base camp out of Kampala, and arrange a driver/fixer to take you on some trips.
+
+I would do Murchison Falls National Park. You can stay in a decently swanky safari lodge,and then drive around the park with your own rented truck SUV with your driver. Also do a Nile river safari and fishing excusion. Stay like 2 or 3 nights.
+
+Next do Mgahinga Gorilla National Park and see the mountain gorillas and you already have a pretty solid trip.
+
+A day exploring Entebbe could be cool too to see the flavor of how some folk live. Go to the botanical garden, take a boat to the Bamba chimpanzee sanctuary which is an island on Lake Victoria. Eat dinner at Carpe Diem and then go party at Night Riders
+
+If you're in Entebbe go talk to James the owner of the Safari bar and he can hook you up for anything you need. 
+
+In Kampala make sure you try Lawns, it's a fancy bush meat restaurant.
+
+Pic related is towards the end of an all day Nile river safari at Murchison falls. I'll share a few more.
+--- 2432691
+>>2432690
+Pics are all scaled down sorry. No idea where my originals are. Some hard drive probably.
+--- 2432692
+>>2432691
+Last one for now. Feel free to ama
+--- 2432693
+>>2432690
+>Bamba
+Ngamba
+--- 2432695
+>>2432690
+How's the cooming in Uganda?
+--- 2432700
+>>2432690
+Any reason whatsoever to visit Burkina Faso? For context I really like the Sahel vibe; I don't need to visit tourist sites.
+--- 2432705
+>>2432700
+No. I would go to to Algeria, Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, etc. If you want that vibe even the Namib desert in the south. Burkina Faso is all of the bad African Stereotypes personified. That image of just a bleak, dust brown, sad place with sad and poor people. Just not a lot to do compared to other places, not to mention danger and instability. I personally got caught there for two coups.
+
+>>2432695
+Good and easy. Sad when they want to take you to their quadcon container they live in and introduce you to the family
+--- 2432713
+>>2432700
+>For context I really like the Sahel vibe
+
+Just for clarification, I get that my alternatives are not exactly the same culturally if that's the part that you're really into, but the ambiance will be very similar. I just don't think the Sahel region is worth it for 99% of tourists because of all the complications. Unless you have connections, experience, means to defend yourself, there's just better options out there in my opinion.
+--- 2432965
+>>2432713
+>means to defend yourself
+Fucking kek, picturing myself riding around Burkina Faso with a 9mm and a can of bear spray, poker facing the police checkpoints. You don't find anything appealing about that part of the world? It's so unique.
+--- 2432971
+>>2432700
+>Any reason whatsoever to visit Burkina Faso?
+
+Not the same guy, but i wouldn't go near Burkina Faso or Sahel for the years to come. 
+
+There's a major power play between the French soldiers who have been booted out of the area because africans accuse them of secretly funding the islamists (France just acting as the local vassal of the US) and the Russian military who has been called by the new Burkinabe government. Sahel can soon become the Midddle-East.
+--- 2433006
+>>2432965
+>You don't find anything appealing about that part of the world? It's so unique.
+
+I honestly do. I did many things I enjoyed while there. It's just unavoidable how dangerous and shitty it is, so it's hard to justify suggesting going there over other places I know of for the average person asking about it.
+
+I lived in Ouagadougou for 6 months and sure I had some nice times, but it's still not a place I would ever suggest.
+
+>>2432971
+Not the last coup, but the one before that we were driving down the road and hit a roadblock or burning debris setup by locals. We got grabbed up, and then when they found out we were American and not French they just let us go. They really hate the French in Burkina Faso.
+--- 2433010
+>>2433006
+Thanks for the perspective. I visited southern Mali and Senegal after reading L'étrange destin de Wangrin and found them both peak comfy. Not sketchy at all if you can tolerate miserable public transport. One really can't generalize about the entire Sahel, although I agree as a whole it's on a downward slide toward being an islamist shithole, mostly thanks to environmental factors.
+--- 2433117
+>>2432651
+>>2432690
+Do random locals accept you / communicate in friendly manner with you?
+While travelling through the country, is the scenery changing?
+Done any (independent) hiking in the country?
+--- 2433218
+>>2431718 (OP)
+What's Togo like?
+--- 2433302
+>>2433117
+Re. Senegal:
+>Do random locals accept you / communicate in friendly manner with you?
+Outside of the cities, yes. But you must speak French.
+
+>Done any (independent) hiking in the country?
+Lots. A peace corps guy told me about a good hike between Dindefelo and Bandafassi, and after that I spent a few days hiking up and down the escarpment on the Guinea border looking for a supposedly haunted waterfall. The frequent villages make it really easy to not get lost and die. Also spent 5 days camping in Niokolo Koba, although that's illegal without a guide so don't recommend. I've done it at the peak of the rainy season and the peak of the dry; I don't recommend either.
+--- 2433448
+>>2433302
+Great spot to hang out
+--- 2433500
+>>2432296
+you can get otc aids tests really easily in a lot of areas now right?
+--- 2433921
+>>2432705
+People live in shipping containers?
+--- 2433957
+>>2432690
+What sort of things can James hook you up with specifically?
+--- 2434040
+>>2433921
+Some do, yeah. Some live better, some live worse (see pic). This girl was a waitress at a restaurant in Entebbe. Africa is pretty poor, anon. In South Sudan, DRC, CAR, etc. You can find whole little quadcon enclaves where people are living deep in the bush in a bunch of them together that got lost out there one way or another.
+
+>>2433957
+Connections to people for whatever service/need. He's a Brit married to a Ugandan who's been there forever and knows a lot of people. He helped us source drivers/fixers, plan safaris and excursions, organize pub crawls with other restaurant/bar owners he knew. We'd go golfing with him, even used his tattoo artist and equipment. Just remember that everything you take for granted where you live to just be able to do or easily google, to get it done in some parts of Africa you probably have to know the right person. He knows a lot of people.
+--- 2434192
+>>2434040
+Will a backpacker make it independently around Uganda? Local buses, gueshouses, random activities, hiking? Any take on Rwanda?
+--- 2435069
+>>2434192
+Sure if you can make friends. Local buses aren't going to be particularly reliable but you'll be treated alright. You also won't be alone, you'll run into other mzungu doing similar. Entebbe even has a backpackers club where all the dirty backpackers with white people dreads hang out. Rwanda will be similar. It won't always be easy or comfortable, but definitely doable to get around. Just do some research on what conflicts are happening and active. What areas have shit going down, etc. and avoid those. Northern Uganda near South Sudan and DRC is pretty much no-go. Triborder area with CAR, DRC and South Sudan also no-go.
+--- 2435588
+>>2432971
+>because africans accuse them of secretly funding the islamists
+They're not wrong. French people are lazy. The country would be as poor as Spain or Italy if they did not dominate half of Africa economically, a continent-sized region with over 200 million inhabitants. It provides them cheap energy imports through uranium and oil from Gabon and agricultural goods from Togo and Benin. 
+
+Their domination of the local currency sucks the blood out of these countries, enriching the French elite and their local henchmen and impoverishing the locals. When the local government refuses to play along, the French respond by funding armed opposition groups. Paris has intervened militarily in Africa over 30 times since WWII. They even assassinated the president of Togo. There's a reason why France is the villain in that new Black Panther movie. 
+
+That's why French niggers are the worst behaved niggers in the entire West. They are allowed to immigrate to the country in droves so rich French guys can benefit from cheap labor, but they hate the country and are fully aware of what it has done to them. This is why France is the European country apart from Sweden with the most evidence of decline. Ex-Rothschild banker Emmanuel Macron and others like him are flooding the country with niggers who have chips on their shoulders, who take it out on ordinary people. The situation is so much worse than even ten years ago.
+--- 2436175
+>>2431718 (OP)
+Bump. No country with affordable multiday hike? RSA?
+--- 2436387
+>>2436175
+>affordable multiday hike
+Who pays to go hiking?
+--- 2436444
+>>2436387
+You can't just go off on your own in a country like that. Might run into sketchy people. Like poachers, smugglers, or an armed resistance group.
+--- 2436460
+>>2435588
+Let's be real, if it wasn't the French it would have been someone else.
+--- 2436467
+>>2436460
+You're right, it's just sad the average French person has to suffer for the profits of a couple rich Jews and their shabbos goys like Macron.
+--- 2436589
+>>2435588
+Based and correct
+--- 2436717
+>>2436444
+See >>2433302
+--- 2437068
+>>2435588
+>implying Spain and Italy are poor
+>implying colonization didn't cost much more money than it brought in and wasn't mostly done for prestige
+>implying Gabon didn't vote to stay under French control but were ignored
+>implying the world bank loans and UN conditions are not buttfucking all of Africa in much deeper and more painful ways than a monetary supervision of CFA >implying french military interventions do not happen at the demand of local dictators but are american type invasions
+Also this is 4channel, could you refrain from using the word nigger?
+faggot
+--- 2439050
+>just learned there is an entire tribe in Kenya known for hourglass figures and fat asses
+coomerbros…
+--- 2439193
+can I get a Tier List of African countries overall?
+--- 2439692
+looking for a place in Africa to chill for a month and also use as a base for small trips
+what's the move?
+--- 2439713
+>>2439050
+Which one?
+--- 2439728
+>>2439692
+Nairobi
+--- 2439948
+>>2439713
+Luo
+>https://kenyandigest.com/the-modern-luo-lady-is-it-just-a-stereotype-or-theres-truth-in-it/
+--- 2440005
+>>2439728
+Isn't Nairobi really hectic?

trv/2431896.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,174 @@
+-----
+--- 2431896
+Tell me your top Middle East countries to visit that are safe too.
+--- 2431899
+>>2431896 (OP)
+Op here
+Ps never been there but I'm interested to visit something different from European cities. Which is better and safe? I'll travel with my bf
+--- 2431917
+>>2431899
+>I'll travel with my bf
+I opened this thread to recommend Iran, but Iran is not a very good place for gays. Sorry man, but if you're travelling as a couple, you should probably stick to Turkey.
+--- 2431919
+>>2431896 (OP)
+If you're a faggot, stay out of the middle east. They stone your kind over here, and not in the fun way.
+--- 2431960
+>>2431917
+I'm not gay lol
+I'm f
+--- 2431961
+>>2431919
+I'm not gay but a fem
+--- 2431963
+>>2431917
+Is Turkey worth of visit? Thanks anon
+--- 2431990
+>>2431961
+Still liable to get stoned. You need to accept the fact, that even in the year 2023, there are still places on this planet where deviants are not welcome at all.
+--- 2431991
+>>2431961
+>>2431990
+Shit, I misinterpreted your post. I inferred "fem" as being a femboy. This fucking head cold is a trip.
+Anyway, if you want to visit the middle east as a female, I would recommend sticking to the UAE or Qatar, as they are the most accessible. There isn't shit to really do in Saudi Arabia, Iraq is still a shithole, Kuwait is a dry country full of assholes, Bahrain is pretty nice, so is Oman. Iran requires a shit ton of hoops to jump through, and I definitely would recommend against Iran if you're an American citizen. I've also heard that Turkey is a beautiful country to visit, but with the recent earthquake that devastated half the country, I would avoid. Yemen is currently a warzone, as is Syria. Don't really know much about Jordan. If Israel, I'd stick to Jerusalem. Egypt has the pyramids, sure, but Cairo as a whole is a fucking dump ridden with scam artists and pick-pockets. Lebanon doesn't have much going for it, their economy is in the fucking shitter. 
+
+That is my half-baked run-down of the Middle East, now do your own research.
+--- 2432127
+>>2431896 (OP)
+
+in terms of purely sights the most diverse would be Iran and Turkey. Egypt would also be a heavyweight but not that diverse, a bit more monotone. Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries are reaaaally boring, stay off. The levant is also a very cool place to visit but fragmented in many countries so you have to choose where to visit. Probably Jordan is the best of the bunch but when Syria is safe again it'll be a contender for the spot. Finally if Yemen was safe it would be one of the best countries in the middle east to visit but for that we will have to wait a bit
+--- 2432142
+>>2431991
+what this guy said, Egypt outside of the Pyramid complex is terrible. anything between the airport and pyramids is okay since they're new build cities but they don't have much to offer. Cairo is hell on earth for many residents and just about all tourists who stay in Cairo-proper come back regretting it. There are other places like Luxor, Thebes, southern Sinai, and Alexandria that have stuff worth seeing and are pretty safe but the extra money generally isn't worth it unless you're really enthusiastic about whatever you plan on visiting
+--- 2432309
+>>2431896 (OP)
+Oman is great - amazing nature and very friendly people. The exchange rate is a bit daunting and there is no backpacker infrastructure to think of really so you'll just have to rent a car, but that allows you to get off the beaten path. Wild camping is permitted anywhere so that helps with the cost. As for safe it might just be the safest country in the middle east, maybe one of the safest in the world
+Pic related
+
+Currently in Turkey at the moment and the earthquake is really only affecting the area around Syria, it's not that bad at all in the rest of the country. Turkey is pretty great, much more tourist infrastructure and more information for sights online
+
+Don't go to Egypt, it's full of Egyptians
+--- 2432315
+>>2431991
+What the fuck is nice about Bahrain?
+
+>>2432309
+Renting a car in Oman was the best vacation I ever had.
+--- 2432418
+>>2431896 (OP)
+I didnt visit but to my knowledge:
+
+Oman is the most esotic one but requires a deep visit
+Yemen like oman but there is some warfare
+UAE are the americas of arabs, top level services and fun, also some nature
+Qatar is like a smaller UAE with less thing to do and no nature
+Saudi Arabia was meant to be only for religious travellers but recently opened for turism maybe their visitsaudi is worth
+Egypt you can do diving in sharm el sheik, wind surfing in the nord, visit historical sites like Pyramids, Luxor and Aswan, but its best if you are in the mood of ancient history
+Jordan its an easy quick travel for Petra and you can do trekking on Wadi Rum
+Turkey its mediterrean climate, more familiar. Istanbul and anatolian historical sites 
+Lebanon Syria and Iraq i think its more difficult to travel here
+Iran is a world in their own
+
+If i were you i would choose UAE
+--- 2432432
+>>2432315
+Oman by car, what are we looking at here in terms of budget and planning?
+--- 2432434
+>>2431991
+>>2432127
+>>2432142
+I've been in Egypt in 2020 for two weeks and was one of my worst travel experience. Cairo has destroyed my expectations about ancient Egypt, full of scammers and there's nothing other than Pyramids that really worth of visit.
+So for my next travel I won't consider Egypt. 
+Also I'm not interested spending all my time shopping or stuck on the beach, so I don't know if Dubai could be a good option.
+I looked up on the internet for some tour in Oman and it looks a really interesting place immersed in history and nature, so thanks for your suggestions anons!
+Jordan looks interesting too but from the descriptions gives me kinda the impression of having everything concentrated in a small area and being completely empty outside of that.
+Because of the earthquake maybe is better to wait for a travel in Turkey.
+--- 2432979
+>>2432418
+based, theres so much shit to do here in Dubai and AD. 
+If you're done seeing UAE easily second best is oman
+--- 2433020
+>>2432432
+The other anon might have a different answer, but I was there in 2015 and spent almost nothing. I think the car was like $30/day, and gas was $1/gallon at the time. Hotels were expensive so we just camped in wadis and beaches. Entry to the old castles (10/10) was a negligible expense, and wandering around oases is free. In Musandam you can pay fishermen on a "what's-it-worth-to-you" basis to ferry you around or take you fishing.
+--- 2433022
+>>2433020
+I should add all touristic sites near highways are signposted in English, so you can just drive around looking for those signs pointing to cool stuff.
+--- 2433053
+>>2432309
+This. Oman is the only country in the region with a culture worth discovering.
+--- 2433075
+>>2432434
+Apart from the NE desert region of the country, Jordan is full of stuff throughout the country to be honest. It has a ton of Roman ruins and castles from the crusades scattered all over the place, as well as some pretty nice nature reserves (e.g. Wadi Rum, Dana) scattered around. I spent about 3.5 weeks there recently and could have easily spent longer there. Nice people on the whole too.
+--- 2433250
+>>2433075
+Did you rent a car in Jordan? 
+I think to visit Jordan or Oman (I'm still undecided) staying in the main city and travel around the country with a guided tour. Is it better to rent a car?
+--- 2433270
+Renting a car is 100% worth it in Oman. I went with my Dad back in 2016 and it was a ton of fun! Omani people are incredibly friendly, and the countryside is beautiful. I actually went because of a /trv/ post back then saying that is Qaboos died there was a possibility the country would fall into turmoil. He did die but they had a succession plan and it seems to be stable.
+--- 2433291
+>>2431919
+How many foreign faggots or fems have ever been stoned in the mid-east that you've heard of?
+--- 2433298
+>>2433270
+Looks amazing and thanks for your recommendation! I was afraid about people there after my experience in Egypt and because of religion issues. What season do you suggest me for visiting Oman or Jordan?
+--- 2433299
+>>2433270
+Holy shit that was probably me. I'm so glad you had a good time. I shitpost a lot so I'm nervous about people taking my advice.
+--- 2433304
+>>2433250
+Nope, but if you can, do it. Public transportation sucks ass, and unless you're willing to hitchhike (which we did do for the first time here and is super easy people picked us up a few times when we weren't even trying to get a lift), you'll have to head back to Amman a lot to get buses to your next destination. There are a quite a few crumbly old castles/ruins that are in really remote places too that would be a pain to get to even if you are willing to hitchhike, so yeah, get a car if you can.
+--- 2433307
+>>2431991
+Genuinely one of the worst posts I've ever read
+--- 2433311
+>>2433304
+You ever hike any of the Jordan Trail? Looks super cool as an itinerary.
+--- 2433363
+>>2433311
+I spent some time walking around some areas that I guess are part of the trail, but not really, no. I'd really recommend going in winter if you do do that though. I can't imagine what it'd be like hiking somewhere like Jordan in the middle of summer.
+--- 2433365
+>>2431896 (OP)
+Turkey and Lebanon, hottest women in the region hands down
+--- 2433456
+>>2433298
+>What season do you suggest me for visiting Oman or Jordan
+
+Middle of July
+--- 2433604
+>>2431960
+>>2431961
+No girls on the Internet.
+--- 2433680
+>>2433456
+Thanks
+--- 2433774
+>>2433304
+Did you you hitchhike in/around Amman or longer distances like Amman-Petra? I want to visit Kerak and maybe the dead sea on my way from Amman to Petra, but public transport is non-existent and private drivers are expensive, I was considering trying to do it for free. Did drivers ask for payment, or did you say something along the lines of "for free, no taxi" when people stopped to pick you up?
+--- 2433869
+>>2433774
+Yeah, getting to Kerak was a pain. We hitchhiked there from the northern part of the dead sea, then hitchhiked from Kerak to Petra. Nobody asked for money except for a few minivan drivers, but they were all upfront about it. Nobody asked us for money after we got into the car. We usually offered some snacks (e.g. nuts or fruit) to be polite, since people in Jordan like sharing food with people. 
+
+Truck drivers were the best - 3/3 trucks that passed us at different locations picked us up. It was all SUPER quick getting a ride, except for one place when we got dropped off by a small road leading to Petra/Wadi Musa from the desert highway. We waited about half an hour there just because not many people were driving that way (and all the cars that were driving there were full), but the first car with space stopped to pick us up. There were even people who picked us up when we weren't even trying to hitchhike (once when walking in the countryside to Dana with our bags, and once just walking to our hotel in Kerak). Honestly, it was just ridiculously easy to get rides there. 10/10 would recommend.
+--- 2433922
+>>2431896 (OP)
+i've only been to Iran but gotta say it was really good and safe. And people don't really scam there too. The "tourist tax" is usually around 100 000 rials which is like a third of a dollar. However i visited the place off-season.
+--- 2434028
+>>2433053
+How's the cooming in Oman? Serious question.
+--- 2434054
+>>2431896 (OP)
+Oman... super clean and safe. Not too expensive either.
+--- 2436857
+>>2431896 (OP)
+I always love visiting countries for ancient ruins alone. So far in the MENA region I've only been to Lebanon. The temple of Bacchus in Baalbek is incredible. I think it's probably the best preserved ancient temple of anywhere around the Mediterranean. 
+
+Syria is on my bucket list next. Always wanted to visit Palmyra but I'm not sure it's open to the public yet. Anyone has been to there recently?
+--- 2437160
+>>2434028
+Unlike Dubai you're not going to have east European hookers. Locals are pretty much impossible. So your only option is fellow tourists.
+--- 2437357
+Where doesnt matter as much as when. Dont dare bother until, at the earliest, September.
+--- 2437403
+Come to Kuwait-just kidding it's a shithole
+--- 2439662
+>>2431896 (OP)
+oman

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+-----
+--- 2432027
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11927699/Danger-tourist-charity-medic-three-Britons-held-prisoner-Taliban-Afghanistan.html
+--- 2432030
+>>2432027 (OP)
+it’s over
+--- 2432036
+>>2432027 (OP)
+is he even a lord?
+--- 2432043
+>What would ever possess someone in their right mind to visit Afghanistan, ever??
+--- 2432048
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Shame ISIS ain't around anymore, watching a limey git getting beheaded would've been a great way to start April.
+--- 2432050
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Good, hopefully it'll be the last we hear of this faggot youtuber on this board
+--- 2432065
+>>2432027 (OP)
+It must be really sad Miles that you are not interesting even for reddit so you are craving for attention here
+--- 2432107
+>Routledge previously said he believed he would be safe in Afghanistan because of a £15 joke purchase that gives him the right to use the title 'Lord', but a security source said his Taliban captors may think he is genuinely a member of the English aristocracy
+
+lmao
+--- 2432112
+>>2432027 (OP)
+>gets captured by taliban
+Based, the british taxpayer will pay for this
+--- 2432114
+>>2432027 (OP)
+>Go to Taliban land
+>Get kidnapped by Taliban 
+Shocker
+--- 2432155
+>>2432027 (OP)
+surprised they didn't arrest him the last time he was there.
+wasn't he making tweets about converting people to Catholicism?
+idiotic. 
+guy was extremely naive.
+--- 2432156
+>>2432107
+>£15 joke purchase to use the title 'Lord'
+so he's a retard
+--- 2432162
+>>2432037
+>>2432048
+>>2432050
+>>2432065
+>>2432114
+>>2432155
+>>2432156
+keyboard warriors
+--- 2432166
+>>2432162
+you dont know what this means
+--- 2432170
+>>2432036
+Probably with one of those Established Titles scams
+--- 2432197
+>>2432036
+from the article:
+>Routledge previously said he believed he would be safe in Afghanistan because of a £15 joke purchase that gives him the right to use the title 'Lord', but a security source said his Taliban captors may think he is genuinely a member of the English aristocracy.
+--- 2432201
+>>2432162
+lmao Miles, how assblasted you are?
+--- 2432203
+When is the next video miles? I know it's you because there's a Sentinel island thread on /pol/ right now
+--- 2432205
+>>2432203
+he is larping now with his taliban buddies that he is captured. Expect a "breaking news" video that a brave taliban commando freed him and his video he will claim how cool everything was, also you should buy his book
+--- 2432206
+hahahaha
+--- 2432207
+>>2432048
+They are still around
+--- 2432222
+>>2432205
+They are still around. It's probably better for Miles that he was detained by the Taliban, rather than by them. ISIS still carries out terrorist attacks in Afghanistan to this day. 
+
+They're playing cowboys and indians with the taliban being the cowboys, which is very ironic. With miles being a high profile westerner, it would only have been a matter of time before they turned him into a liveleak star.
+--- 2432233
+>>2432027 (OP)
+this is anti-taliban propaganda and certainly untrue
+--- 2432238
+>>2432222
+checked. 
+sucks for miles his autism was finally too much to handle
+--- 2432246
+>>2432027 (OP)
+That hairline needed locking up before it got any further
+--- 2432248
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Does Miles' parents don't care about him?
+--- 2432259
+>>2432027 (OP)
+The Taliban are based. Once they realise he isn't a spy he will be fine. Or it will turn out he is a spy and he gets executed. Either way things will work themselves out, i'm not worried.
+--- 2432260
+>Miles is still making redditors giga-assmad
+--- 2432329
+King Charles 3rd by royal decree declares the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan cease detainment of The Honourable Lord Miles Routledge immediately as a subject of the British Crown.
+--- 2432333
+>>2432114
+It would actually surprise me, since he effectively gave them good press and effectively encouraged better relations. Perhaps they thought he was a British glow, or it was an attempt to protect him from ISIS-K.
+--- 2432352
+>>2432166
+why yes, I'm ESL, how could you tell?
+--- 2432355
+>>2432333
+He along with 2 other brits got detained
+--- 2432382
+>>2432333
+I'm honestly curious about what's going to happen to him. He has enough Talifrens to put in a good word for him, but if their judicial system is a complete crapshoot they may just toss him in some cell in durka durka province for a trial set to start in 2057.
+--- 2432435
+Why does he make redditors so butthurt?
+--- 2432437
+most obvious glownigger "celeb" I've seen in a while.
+--- 2432441
+>>2432437
+For sure, you would deploy spy assets in a country which you’ve just given up on. Makes no sense.
+
+He just an adhd zoomer you wants to be an internet celeb and has big balls. Just cause your tucked up in your basement doesn’t mean others won’t explore the world.
+--- 2432475
+>>2432435
+>why does reddit hate him
+>conservative
+
+Your pic answered your own question
+--- 2432479
+>>2432201
+you're not even worthy to speak of him, ANONYMOUS
+--- 2432504
+is it possible that he got arrested because the Taliban wanted him to be something like a public relations guy for the west? I mean, high ranking taliban people lurk/post on 4chan so it's not really that far off that they'd do that. North Korea for example has kidnapped engineers, directors and artists to forcefully collaborate for them and their projects.
+--- 2432533
+>>2432504
+>comparing kidnapping engineers and artists who you can force to work without ever being in touch with the public again with a PR stooge
+--- 2432541
+>>2432504
+He already liked and promoted Afghanistan as a tourist destination without being threatened, so this would seem not to make any sense.
+>>2432382
+The Taliban does not have a final, central authority - it’s mostly fractured into different regional groups that are only united by ideology and relatively informal relationships to the other groups, especially the further you get from Kabul and Khandahar. That he has friends in one Taliban cell might be of very little use if that cell doesn’t already have a close relationship with the one holding him.
+--- 2432556
+>>2432533
+>>2432541
+whoever is running the Taliban PR account on twitter seems to be in-the-know of the culture war bullshit in the west far more than the average Taliban does. Their satirical posts are also reminiscent of Miles's style of tweeting.
+--- 2432578
+>>2432541
+The account is just part of his YouTube PR stunt. It's not a coincidence that the tweets are written in British English and the images posted there were usually on /pol/ within the same timeframe. It's a shame because I actually liked his channel and he had the potential to be a unique and famous content creator. This whole fake drama combined with his relentless shilling and damage control posts ruined his appeal and credibility for a lot of people including myself.
+--- 2432583
+>>2432556
+The posts are reminiscent of Miles's style of tweeting because he is the one writing them.
+--- 2432599
+>>2432583
+holy fuck, I just noticed that the taliban PR account stopped posting. Yeah, Miles is in serious trouble right now
+--- 2432621
+>>2432578
+>>2432556
+I am well aware that that Twitter account is not real, I was talking about his actual contacts on the ground, like the Talibs that he has shot films with before, who took him shooting in the desert etc etc.
+--- 2432623
+>>2432556
+The "Taliban PR account" is as legit as the dprk_news account on the same site.
+--- 2432626
+His arsehole will be like a wizards sleeve when he gets out
+--- 2432689
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Will they behead him so we can stop wasting threads on him?
+--- 2432707
+>>2432027 (OP)
+I want to like the guy, but he's a fucking retard. He's a zoomer tradcath (falls for every /pol/ meme) who had to get rescued by the British Army last time, and now somehow thinks that he can just go back and everything will be cool because apparently he's just made of teflon.
+Let him rot. I was in his corner back in the fall of Kabul, hoping he'd be safe because he was a good shitposter. Now I would be fine about him getting decapitated. I hope not a single pound of taxpayer money is spent on rescuing this cunt.
+--- 2432763
+>>2432623
+retard, the legit taliban were shitposting the whole withdrawal
+--- 2432791
+Is this an April Fools gag? The news story says he's been imprisoned since January but he was still posting gay shit on his twitter at the end of February. He even visited Dubai during that time.
+--- 2432795
+>>2432763
+ok Miles
+--- 2432798
+>>2432707
+It's a better use of taxpayer money than almost anything. Bongs just have a weird crabbucket thing.
+--- 2432807
+>>2432504
+this is genuinely a retarded post
+
+north korea kidnapped people years ago because they could hide it and have some plausable deniability and there was zero way of locating them and rescuing them 
+
+why would you kidnap a PR guy already doing PR
+--- 2432808
+>>2432707
+>durrr i fucking hate christians so much ugh fucking pol
+Simmer down tranny before you shoot up the place. No one wants to hear from you.
+--- 2432814
+>>2432808
+not sure how you got that from the guys post. he speaks the truth
+
+>>2432798
+i don't see how crabs in a bucket is relevant to some guy getting rescued from afghanistan
+--- 2432815
+>>2432814
+You do realise we know it's you even when you try to talk in 3rd person, right?
+--- 2432817
+>>2432814
+>not sure how uhhhh
+>i don't see how uhhhh
+what's with this twitter rhetoric faggotspeak
+--- 2432820
+>>2432817
+>>2432815
+imagine making separate posts to try and gang up on me like two different people
+
+sad!
+--- 2432828
+>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65156379
+>Two of the British men being held by the Taliban in Afghanistan have spoken to their families, a humanitarian group representing them has said.
+>The Presidium Network said Kevin Cornwell, 53, and another unnamed man were able to speak "freely" and that the calls had brought "great relief".
+>A third man, named as Miles Routledge, 23, but not being represented by the group, is also being held.
+
+Miles representing himself in the hostage negotiation, lmao.
+--- 2432846
+>>2432820
+>aaaauuuuggghh gangstalking!!!
+You actually are a schizo tranny huh
+--- 2432851
+>>2432846
+I can use photoshop too
+--- 2432859
+>>2432851
+Use your brain instead it'll be better for everyone
+--- 2432863
+>>2432763
+>Taliban members are on Twatter therefore this specific Twatter account must be run by the Taliban
+Nice non-argument.
+>>2432851
+>needing photoshop to fake (You)s on this Laotian pottery board
+Took too many hot baths as a child?
+--- 2432875
+If I was the UK government I wouldn't bother trying to get Miles released. His clout chasing ass will just get imprisoned again somewhere down the line.
+--- 2432900
+>>2432846
+>>2432859
+>>2432863
+
+stop being so aggressive. imagine going through the effort to edit your screenshots rather than just admitting you are the same person.
+
+sad!
+
+get a life schmuck!
+--- 2432911
+>>2432828
+Well he is a lord
+--- 2432914
+>>2432875
+Dude already got rescued once via the British Army. If it he gets rescued again he's just going to end up in another prison cell.
+Either way, he's a fucking moron and a parasite on the tax payers.
+--- 2432916
+>>2432900
+stop being a faggot holy shit
+--- 2432923
+>>2432916
+Well said. 
+
+>>2432900
+We don't want you to post here any more. Get out!
+--- 2432939
+>>2432027 (OP)
+The govt is working on it, they'll most likely all be freed soon. In fact Miles has reported nothing negative about the Taliban and I reckon they'll take kindly to his positive media, so its probably just chilling under house arrest.
+--- 2432951
+>>2432820
+https://youtu.be/ImV7NC-8cvA?t=16 [Embed]
+--- 2432962
+>>2432808
+I'm Christian, faggot. Zoomer tradcath LARPers are idiots
+--- 2432968
+>>2432798
+No. It's like saving man from a lion's cage only for him to jump back in. Why bother doing it a second time when he is so intent on putting himself in that danger?
+Crab bucket mentality would be shitting on him for trying to do something new.
+--- 2432981
+I was reading the news and I couldn't believe seeing this goofy fuck amongst the hostages lmao.
+--- 2432991
+>>2432107
+Did he change is first name to lord or go the old Laird route? Not sure cash for honours is still going on tbqh
+--- 2433052
+>>2432036
+>>2432991
+In the UK, you can pay extra to have "Lord" as your title on your credit card, instead of the usual "Mr."
+--- 2433057
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Hope he eithers gets executed or smeshed up real good. We all know he's going to be more insufferable than ever if he's released safely and in good health. 
+
+If only he'd been snatched by ISIS
+--- 2433194
+>>2432027 (OP)
+You fucking miles deepthroaters deserve this. This harmless faggot finally got what was coming to him. I hope he gets brutally murdered.
+
+Can’t believe years later this fuckin loser has threads about him
+--- 2433203
+I like what he does, but the problem with him he seems like such an insufferable and pretentious faggot. His Christian faith seems completely inauthentic and he's addicted to attention. Any Western man could probably travel to Afghanistan and have a good time if you adhere to their cultural norms. I'm pretty sure this stupid faggot got into an argument about the divinity of Christ or something and now he's in prison for being totally oblivious to local customs. I hope he'll get liveleak'd.
+--- 2433212
+Wow, who the fuck cares
+--- 2433278
+Any Lord Miles updates? Low key miss that degen, always had decent YouTube content.
+
+ Hate those fuckers which pump out low tier clickbait/slightly edited AI scripts about geopolitics every few days.
+--- 2433282
+>>2432914
+The parasites on taxpayers are Tory politicians, not this Miles dude. The cost to fly a Brit home is peanuts.
+--- 2433315
+>>2433278
+Yea keep me posted when that fuckin harmless rodent sensationalist bitch is dead at the hands of the taliban. Thanks!
+--- 2433324
+>>2432435
+>>2432260
+>getting raped in taliban prison to pwn reddit
+--- 2433350
+>>2432027 (OP)
+>fuck around
+>find out
+gosh, who'd have thunk
+--- 2433370
+>>2433282
+How about this:
+Fuck Miles, and fuck the politicians.
+Your false dichotomy is meaningless.
+--- 2433413
+>>2433370
+Good way to 'fuck Miles' by constantly ranting and bumping this thread, retard.
+--- 2433414
+>>2433413
+That was my second post here. Hardly "constantly ranting and bumping"
+--- 2433466
+>>2433278
+I've heard he got a job as a dancing boy for a warlord.
+--- 2433469
+>>2432027 (OP)
+Think about how much better travel would be if more bongs got imprisoned abroad.
+--- 2433525
+>>2433324
+yeah, no one can figure out why you're so mad over some trve travel
+must be that stereotypical reddit inferiority complex
+--- 2433777
+>>2433525
+it's kinda funny that this website screams so much about reddit yet reddit never mentions 4channel.
+--- 2433815
+>>2433777
+1st rule of fight club. Don’t talk about fight club.
+
+Wishing Lord Miles a safe return.
+--- 2433825
+>>2433815
+That canned le epic fight club reference stopped being le funny in 2005, shut the fuck up.
+--- 2433908
+>>2433777
+There is literally an entire subreddit dedicated to screencaps from here dumbass
+--- 2433952
+>>2433777
+Any time 4chan makes the news the blue hairs of reddit start squeeling and it makes top page or whatever, you illiterate fuck
+--- 2434050
+>>2433908
+one subreddit to specifically laugh at autistic 4channers. the 99% of other subs don't care like random 4channel boards care.
+>heheh you mad reddit? 
+>does this image make you mad reddit?
+>reddit reddit reddit
+it's not like we are on the /reddit/ board, yet reddit is mentioned at least once each post. it's pathetic honestly.
+--- 2434121
+>man travels
+>/trv/ seethes
+What gives?
+--- 2434124
+>>2434050
+Well that's just not true. If one posts anything that falls outside the narrow worldview of those types of people you see them immediately dismiss the poster as "probably from "that place", ugh", they refer to us constantly but as some king of 'he-who-must-not-be-named' faggotry. Also you said 
+>never mentions
+now you're backpedaling to some other goalposts. Your statement has been proven false once already, have some shame. 
+When Miles made that thread posting about his trip to Afghanistan and the it hit the news /trv/ got raided by reddit (who were in a frothing rage over him) once they found out about his posts. So of fucking course reddit is going to be brought up here, it's actively on-topic. Sperging out over it like you are doing only makes you look more like one of those very tourists.
+--- 2434388
+Miles will be the prison bitch, the lad squeals like one.
+--- 2434412
+>>2434050
+They don't use it as an insult because they're too busy being fake and faggy in their responses as they try to work the hive mind algorithm into giving them more 'karma' from their UP BOATS *squeel*
+
+Reddit is used on 4chan as an insult to tell people who crave normie and safe NPC responses, reactions, and content where to go.
+--- 2434415
+>>2434121
+>manchild travels
+>taxpayers fund his rescue
+Hopefully the bong regime won't ban their subjects from travelling like the US does..
+--- 2434473
+>>2434415
+>manchild travels
+So he's pretty much you except you're going to Japan because you're a pussy weeb
+--- 2434478
+>>2432048
+Isis k is pretty prevalent in Afghanistan rn. The taliban is fighting their own war on terror with American gear at the moment lol. It’s like the US passed the torch
+--- 2434489
+>>2434473
+At least you won't catch me sobbing for help online.
+--- 2434507
+>>2434478
+The prison he's in is most likely filled with nothing but isis.
+Hopefully they have the white people in some sort of protective custody
+--- 2434521
+>>2434415
+Newfags have zero sense of humor. Having the British government fund a rescue because a guy with a fake lord title decided to fly into Afghanistan at the most hilariously bad time in its history, and with a smile, is fucking hilarious.
+--- 2434536
+>>2434521
+The actual posts were great.
+The aftermath of shilling and obvious newfags wasn't.
+--- 2434597
+>>2434124
+autism
+--- 2435104
+>>2434415
+>taxpayers fund his rescue
+like they funded the "successful" invasion and "democratisation" of afghanistan?
+--- 2435200
+>>2434121
+tourists (heh) and pedestrians from other websites are flocking in. He's also a pretty smug spastic with a big ego, prime target for plebbitor hate™and bigotry© since they can't make fun of niggers and trannies
+--- 2435205
+Update from Miles’ friend
+--- 2435242
+I suspect Miles is innocent but the people who choose to hang around with in Afghanistan is sus
+--- 2435300
+>>2434478
+>The taliban is fighting their own war on terror with American gear at the moment lol. It’s like the US passed the torch
+America has outsourced its military. globalization meets the global war on terrorism.
+--- 2435682
+>>2435205
+I hope he enjoyed his hairy pakistani prison mates
+--- 2435683
+>>2435205
+lame
+--- 2435698
+He's been hanging out with the Taliban for months. He'll be in house arrest not some scrawny prison.
+--- 2435735
+>>2435698
+Please don't shatter the bitter gay sex fantasies of our reddit guests.
+--- 2435896
+>>2435205
+Whatifalthist is the most insufferable geopolitics / history talking head on youtube. Everytime he reads a new book, he thinks he has all of world history figured out and makes insane leaps in logic when trying to argue his viewpoints. He says something interesting every so often but you learn to mistrust him when he encroaches on a subject you're mildly familiar with and realize he's getting 90% of it wrong or grossly misrepresenting it. 
+
+Anyways, figures he'd be friends with the fraud Miles.
+--- 2435906
+If Lord Miles makes it out of there untouched doubt he’ll have the balls to continue ‘extreme tourism’ .
+--- 2435909
+>>2435906
+He made it through the fall of Kabul, he'll probably get through this. If anything, it'll reinforce his view that, as a westerner, nothing will happen to him. 
+
+He'll keep chasing cloud until he gets killed by some street gang in Venezuela one day. Mark my words.
+--- 2436003
+>>2432900
+retard
+--- 2436240
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11937281/Danger-tourist-Miles-Routledge-caught-Taliban-wanted-mother-says.html
+
+Now MailOnline has obtained the final picture he took before being held which shows the 23-year-old giving the thumbs up while standing next to a member of the Taliban who is holding an automatic rifle.
+
+Accompanying the photograph – which was sent from his phone or laptop on March 8th - was a short message downplaying the seriousness of his plight, even though the Taliban are notorious for torturing and murdering prisoners.
+
+Routledge wrote: ’Yo guys, been taken by Afghan intelligence for taking like $1,000 out of Western Union (sus amount). No internet, no idea when this will send, everything is good but please excuse my lack of communication.'
+--- 2436292
+Really nice title writing there.
+--- 2436449
+>>2435896
+cool, I should check his channel out he must make accurate videos if he makes reddit morons mad
+--- 2436473
+>>2436449
+This but unironically, reddit leftists eternally seethe about that guy
+--- 2436507
+Having lord as a title is so badass
+--- 2436627
+>>2436473
+Reddit doesn't even know he exists. Here's his predictions for 2050's world borders.
+--- 2436641
+>>2436627
+Perhaps the most retarded map I have ever seen. Reminds me of some 4th graders day dream, or some inner city youth being asked to fill in the country names.
+--- 2436859
+>>2436627
+>united korea
+holy based
+--- 2436957
+>>2435906
+>>2435909
+Miles is a literal imbecile. He spent his first trip in Afghanistan taking taxis around Kabul and photographing military checkpoints. After the Taliban began taking over the city, he moved into a safehouse and--for days on end--posted self-pitying social media statuses. The only reason Miles made it out is because bigger, stronger men felt obligated to ensure his safety. 
+
+Now Miles is back in Afghanistan, and he's gotten himself into yet another pickle--a pickle almost certainly exacerbated by his near-comical lack of preparation for traveling a war-torn and deeply conservative country. 
+
+If Miles survives, which he--unfortunately--most likely will, he'll be more obnoxious than ever, using his time as a Taliban captive bottom as further evidence that he's a "real" traveler having "real adventures." In reality, he's a bumbling idiot who keeps getting rescued from dire situations, but he has a pathological need for attention that won't dissipate until he's likely dead. 
+
+Unfortunately for Miles, he's not nearly attractive, interesting, or charismatic enough to have an actual celebrity-adjacent following, so a deep grave is his most probable destination.
+--- 2436958
+>>2436957
+>Miles is a literal imbecile
+This is what is so disappointing about him. Having a legitimate war time journalist who isn't afraid to go to these countries to actually work and interview people and show the other side is so needed these days. Instead, he spends all of his time parroting dumb 4chan pol memes and going for low hanging fruit. His whole video "surviving NYC as a homeless person for 48 hours" was so fucking dumb.
+--- 2436959
+>>2436957
+>Unfortunately for Miles, he's not nearly attractive
+Holy fuck, tell me about it. He's only 23 and he's already dealing with a receding hairline and huge crow's feet around his eyes.
+--- 2436965
+>>2436957
+>If Miles survives, which he--unfortunately--most likely will, he'll be more obnoxious than ever, using his time as a Taliban captive bottom as further evidence that he's a "real" traveler having "real adventures."
+Exactly this lol, HE'S JUST LIKE LE ADVENTURERS OF OLD
+--- 2436968
+>>2436957
+>Unfortunately for Miles, he's not nearly attractive, interesting, or charismatic enough to have an actual celebrity-adjacent following, so a deep grave is his most probable destination.
+So much this. I could not agree more. Well said brother.
+--- 2436974
+>>2436957
+couldn't even bother to avoid redditspacing, huh, our samefagging newfriend?
+--- 2436976
+>>2436974
+>Miles fanfag doesn’t even know what reddit spacing is 
+OMG MILES IS SO BASED LIKE HE HES CATHOLIC AND SAYS KABUL IS SAFER THAN BROOKLYN
+--- 2436977
+>>2436974
+>everything I dislike is reddit
+Can you please stop TikTokexisting?
+--- 2436981
+>>2436976
+>>2436977
+>minute apart
+>reddit style posting
+--- 2436983
+>>2436977
+>>2436981
+>minute and a half apart
+>reddit style posting
+--- 2436984
+>>2436981
+>le pattern perception
+TikTok's most intelligent user
+--- 2436989
+>>2436983
+>>2436984
+>he did it again
+--- 2436991
+>>2436983
+--- 2437153
+He'll be released in a few days and then attention whore about it.
+--- 2437165
+>>2437153
+And then you faggots will salivate at the thought of another miles deepthroat thread; celebrating an absolutely harmless white faggot who’s never EVER truly in danger and stages everything.
+
+Fuck miles
+--- 2437202
+>>2437165
+
+StAgEd AfGhAn ViSiT
+
+Stay at home cucklord, if doing this shit was easy the capitalist system would mean YouTubers would be all over it. Especially random 3rd worlders who have no regard for safety because of no opportunities in their country.
+
+Sexy Lord Miles is all you’d wish to be.
+--- 2437294
+>>2436959
+>He's only 23 and he's already dealing with a receding hairline and huge crow's feet around his eyes.
+What the fuck? I would've given him at least 30.
+--- 2437297
+>>2436627
+>no switzerland
+finally
+--- 2437328
+>>2437165
+You're the one frothing at the mouth in autistic rage like a bitter nigger c'mon now
+--- 2437399
+Has there been a further fall from grace on /trv/ than Miles?
+--- 2437523
+>>2432027 (OP)
+thank god for that
+--- 2437652
+dubs and they behead him
+--- 2437718
+dubs and they make him king
+--- 2437773
+>>2437202
+Ty for reminder me that he run away from Ukraine like a chuck
+--- 2438050
+/trv/ has become troonified
+--- 2438393
+>>2437202
+it's easy as shit faggot
+300 dollars to pakistan + 70 dollar invitation letter + whatever visa
+70 dollars for visa in peshawar to go to afghanistan
+take a taxi from that point
+congrats you are in Afghanistan for under 600 bucks and since you're foreign everything is free if you're not retarded
+--- 2438796
+>>2432027 (OP)
+He's dead. Sorry your adventures ended early.
+--- 2440232
+Praying for Miles.
+--- 2440234
+>>2440232
+praying? lmao of course the chud that likes miles believes in "god"
+--- 2440637
+Miles is based because reddit troons are calling him 4chan incel
+--- 2440651
+>>2440637
+I don't even like Miles all that much, but he's no incel. He has been able to get laid in the past, when he was irreligious. When he rediscovered his catholic faith, he started opposing pre-marital sex. So he wasn't celibate pre-catholicism, and then he chose to be celibate post-catholicism.
+To put it in cutesy Reddit terms, he was a non-cel, but now he's a volcel.
+
+“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
+-Sun Tzu
+--- 2440658
+>>2440651
+--- 2440818
+>>2440658
+Literally christcucked behavior.
+--- 2440830
+>>2434415
+British taxpayers for out millions for shitfaced chavs who get into trouble in Europe every month anon, don't see you seething about that.
+Go back to the ladyboy threads where you belong
+--- 2440958
+>Kabul is safer than Brooklyn
+>disappears for months because he withdrew 1000 dollars
+hahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
+
+Can't wait for the /gif/ threads of his beheading.
+
+But in reality, he probably got arrested for blasphemy. Dude's stupid, cocky and overly confident and probably had a discussion with a Taliban fighter how Christ is God. They probably do not know what to do with him: execute him and it's really bad PR for the Taliban who are actively trying to facilitate a 'good guy' reputation after their take over. Let him go and they'll go against their religious laws. We'll see.

trv/2432256.txt

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+-----
+--- 2432256
+I want to spend two weeks in America's south. I'm looking for traditional, soulful experiences, the type of thing you wouldn't find in the North.
+--- 2432262
+our national parks are great and you'll get grade A hospitality if you stay somewhere like a small-town bread-and-breakfast, but there really isn't much else southern-centric here for tourists desu. I guess you have a variety of country music places like the grand ol opry. also pro tip: don't visit during summer its hot as shit.
+--- 2432995
+>>2432262
+>stay somewhere like a small-town bread-and-breakfast
+Second this. Go find a small town near a national park with stuff to do, stay in a colonial mansion BnB
+--- 2433708
+>>2432256 (OP)
+The south is garbage and full of retarded mutts
+--- 2433972
+>>2432256 (OP)
+extremely important question- where were you born and what color is your skin
+
+these will heavily influence your time in the south
+--- 2434422
+>>2432256 (OP)
+>No Florida
+--- 2434477
+>>2433972
+Why do retarded yankees still think it’s 1950? No one is going to harass you for your skin color in the South any more than they would in the North. In fact the Midwest is WAYYYY more racist than anywhere else I’ve been in the US. 
+>>2432256 (OP)
+Charleston, SC and Savannah, GA have an insane amount of soul and are uniquely Southern. New Orleans is also really cool.
+--- 2434501
+There a re a lot of plantations in these places, you could do a big loop of charleston, savannah, st augustine, pensacola, and new orleans. Go to the beaches in pensacola and detour to a couple springs when you’re between saint augustine and pensacola (they’re beautiful). You want to see some rice plantations when driving i 95 between st. augustine and charleston. There are huge marches near brunswick off of I-95 that are worth seeing as well. The only boring stretch will be between pensacola and new orleans, but new orleans is worth it.
+--- 2434596
+>>2434477
+>Why do retarded yankees still think it’s 1950? No one is going to harass you for your skin color in the South
+listen dumbfuck, your skin color determines your level of access to local culture, and what type of culture you can access easily 
+
+its not about harassment its about ACCESS LEVEL your skin color is like a security badge to get in to the next level of an experience, depending on what you are after
+--- 2434598
+>>2434596
+Lmao yeah I totally forgot that you won’t be allowed to eat BBQ in South Carolina or visit a plantation in Georgia unless you’re a specific race
+--- 2434604
+>>2434598
+having a superficial level of tourist access is not what I am talking about you squealing little shitpig
+you're not even from the fucking south, you're some coastal liberal faggot worshipper with a shit opinion he saw in a Salon article
+--- 2434605
+>>2434477
+>In fact the Midwest is WAYYYY more racist than anywhere else I’ve been in the US.
+Everywhere in America is racist, just in their own ways. "Coastal elites" are better at hiding it because they have more to lose. Even if they're the kinds of whites who bend over backwards to treat black people better than they would other whites, the racism is still there, make no mistake. 
+
+The reason why blue state Americans are so standoffish and neurotic these days is that it's getting harder and harder to paper over the cracks in their worldview: that they are middle-class, that things will be for the best, that all races are equal.
+--- 2434616
+>>2434477
+>t. a white underaged teenager who has never left his town of birth
+--- 2434725
+>>2432256 (OP)
+Hendersonville NC
+--- 2434755
+>>2434616
+I’m 28 and I’m literally on a work trip in Albuquerque
+--- 2434763
+>>2434604
+16th generation Virginian, nigger
+--- 2436865
+>>2432256 (OP)
+Go to savannah, beaufort and charleston
+--- 2436921
+>>2432256 (OP)
+You can skip Virginia cause we don't claim that as the South.
+--- 2436922
+>>2432256 (OP)
+spend 36-48hrs at New River Gorge Ntl Park in WV. It was aces and I would go back.
+--- 2436923
+Charleston, SC is only worth like 1 day of visit. Idk the other places but it's pretty lame after the first time
+--- 2436936
+>>2432256 (OP)
+Fly Into DC
+Shenandoah National Park - Virginia
+New River Gorge National Park - West Virginia
+Great Smoky Mtns National Park - Tennessee
+Spend 1-2 in Asheville, NC - Biltmore optional
+Conragee National Park, SC
+Charleston, SC 1-2 Nights
+Depart Savannah GA
+
+You want nothing to do with cities in the south over 500k trust me. LOTS of diversity.
+--- 2436960
+>>2434596
+White woman hands typed this post
+
+Also yeah keep pretending blacks are denied entry anywhere in current year America whereas I will get murdered eating at a bodega because I'm a crackas ass wypipo who don't wash they chicken
+--- 2439242
+>>2432256 (OP)
+>Arkansas
+Hot Springs National Park. 
+>Alabama
+Admire the view over Mobile Bay and the USS Alabama on I-10 but don't stop in that shit state unless you badly need to piss or shit.
+>NC
+Nothing worth seeing. Asheville is insanely overrated and the nicest parts of Great Smoky Mountains Park are in Tennessee.
+>SC
+Charleston is nice but wears off its novelty fast. Still nice to spend an hour or three driving around though. Congaree nat'l park is pretty awesome.
+>Florida
+There's a decent amount of stuff to do and see but if you wanna do one thing that allows you time to do shit in the rest of the south then hit either Pensacola or Destin and spent a few hours walking around the beaches.
+>Georgia
+Savannah is pure soul and quintessential south. Arguably the #1 priority to hit if your goal is to get that southern experience.
+>Kentucky
+Never been to Mammoth Cave but heard good from everyone who has.
+>Louisiana
+It's like Florida where there's a decent amount of stuff to see and do but if you have to choose one then it's New Orleans. Which is unfortunately a double edged sword. On one hand it is nigger infested to hell and slowly dying as whites flee to neighboring areas/out of state. But on the other, as someone who has been to 35 states and 4 continents, it is truly one of the most unique cities in the world. There really is nothing quite like it. It's worth a visit and you're generally safe as long as you stay in the tourist/high-class areas, but exercise caution. Go see it so you can say you were there before the niggers and democrats burn it to the ground or another hurricane floods it for good. Whichever happens first. Aim to stay for 2 days at least.
+>Mississippi
+Drive through and don't stop.
+>Tennessee
+Great Smoky Mountains National Park is worth an afternoon. Graceland if you're an Elvis fan.
+>Virginia
+Shenandoah is one of my fav national parks. 
+>WV
+New River Gorge nat'l park. Like Mammoth I've never been but haven't heard anything bad about it.
+--- 2439262
+>>2436936
++1 for this. Sounds like a solid trip.
+--- 2439378
+>>2436936
+>>2439242
+>>2436922
+>>2436865
+>>2434501
+Not OP, but appreciate these posts, thank you.
+
+It's a road trip I'm hoping to do soon. Last three road trips have all been Arizona/Utah focused because there's so much to see and do, but now that those national parks are becoming insufferable thanks to social media, I'd like to get to some less popular national parks and see more of the US. 
+
+I love small towns, diners, dive bars, live music, mom & pop shops etc. When time permits I try to avoid the highway and just soak in the back roads... doesn't always work out great (like in Pennsylvania), but I've had loads of great experiences just driving and then finding somewhere to stay via Trivago when I find somewhere good or get tired.
+--- 2439408
+>Kentucky
+>Virginia
+>”South”
+
+Ok but if you want a serious answer
+
+NC: Asheville, Triangle are best spots. Charlotte is nice too but can’t think of anything truly mindblowing about it
+
+TN: Smokey Mountains, Knoxville, Nashville. Memphis has Beale Street but its a literal warzone
+
+AR: Hot Springs National Park, Fayetteville
+
+LA: Any bayou area, New Orleans is one of the most unique cities in the country despite having extremely dangerous hoods, Baton Rouge
+
+MS: Keep driving and don’t stop
+
+AL: Unless you are in northern part, keep driving if its not fall
+
+GA: Blue Ridge Mountains, Atlanta, Athens, Augusta, Savannah, Okefenokee Refuge, Jekyll Island
+
+SC: Beaufort, Hilton Head, Charleston, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Greenville
+
+
+If you can wait, visit the South during fall when its football season. There is nothing more soulful than a SEC college town on a crisp Saturday afternoon in fall
+--- 2439411
+>>2439408
+And before anyone says “LUL ATLANTA???”
+
+I’ve been there before and literally just avoid the eastern side of city. Its worth visiting just for the Georgia Aquarium imo, absolutely kino place
+--- 2439482
+>>2436922
+Seconding New River Gorge. Went last year not expecting much and absolutely loved it. Honestly, this anon's trip sounds ideal for a mix of nature and urban areas.>>2436936
+--- 2439512
+>>2439408
+>Baton Rouge
+Please nobody actually listen to this. It's as bad as New Orleans for crime with none of the charm, uniqueness, or sights. Only reason to ever go there is LSU tailgating and even then it's not worth potentially getting robbed or shot.
+
+t. lived there for 4 years when I went to LSU
+--- 2439745
+>>2433708
+
+The second part is correct, but you're lying to yourself if you think the Southeast isn't the most beautiful part of this country.
+--- 2439748
+>>2434596
+
+Tennesseean here, and you're a fucking retard. This isn't true in the slightest.
+--- 2439749
+I've never seen a thread so full of people who have no idea what they're talking about
+--- 2439750
+>>2432256 (OP)
+
+Come to Chattanooga, OP. It's not called 'Scenic City' for nothing. 
+
+Beautiful mountains, beautiful people, and everybody is really laid back. Everyone seems to just skip over Chatt like it isn't one of the best cities in the Southeast.
+--- 2439918
+>>2439749
+>virginia
+>capital of the confederacy
+>not south
+--- 2440213
+Just chill along the Appalachians. If the terrain gets flat, turn back
+--- 2440214
+>>2439749
+>Texas
+>south
+seriously GTFO. everyone hates you as much as they hate Californians but at least you're tolerable
+--- 2440221
+>>2436960
+>>2439748
+Nah hes right, you have to be careful in the south if you look, like, arab for example. Not black however, they tolerate blacks now. But male latinos of a north african complexion or arabs are NOT LIKED OR TOLERATED. They wont murder or attack you but you will not be welcome and they will make sure you know it. If you’re female you’ll be fine, but if you’re a male of the described colorations then you should steer clear of the south.
+--- 2440223
+>>2439918
+Hes right. There are so many transplants in the south now its been eroded down to its corr, the DEEP SOUTH. Only the DEEP SOUTH has retained its southern culture.
+--- 2440264
+>>2439918
+You can just state you know nothing about the south instead next time anon
+--- 2440449
+>>2432256 (OP)
+Worst part of the us by far
+--- 2440456
+>>2439749
+This is definitely a tiktok screen cap
+--- 2440458
+>>2433708
+I always find it amusing that Commiefornias and Jew Yorkers are only open-minded about certain kinds of people.
+--- 2440677
+>>2440458
+Chuds aren't people kek
+--- 2440678
+>>2439745
+>but you're lying to yourself if you think the Southeast isn't the most beautiful part of this country
+
+Fuck are you talking about. Washington State, Idaho, Oregon, Northern Cali, Lake Tahoe, etc.. All much better than the SE
+--- 2441203
+>>2432256 (OP)
+If you have never tried chewing tobacco it is a must

trv/2432587.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,113 @@
+-----
+--- 2432587
+would you rather visit austria or switzerland?
+--- 2432613
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Debated this pretty hard myself on my last Europe trip, I was gonna do Switzerland but then the price of the rail pass shot way up and I chose Austria instead. I still ended up passing through Basel briefly so I have experience with both.
+
+Switzerland was absurdly, retardedly expensive. I ate one (1) meal there and it ran me like 45 francs. It didn't seem very "cultural" either, but that may have been because I was in a big city. I spoke to 3 people in fluent German and they all answered me back in English, because they themselves did not speak German as well as I did.
+
+I was very satisfied with Austria and I don't regret it. Vienna was magnificent and I went to Hallstatt for my "countryside" alpine fix, which it satisfied perfectly. It wasn't the god-tier 15000m peaks and the Skyrim wilderness experience and such -- if you really want that then there's no substitute for Switzerland. But Austria was still lovely and the nature (especially in the south) is 90% as nice, at 50% the cost. And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
+--- 2432650
+>>2432613
+>Austria is 90% as nice, at 50% the cost
+>Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water
+
+Basically this. If you are rich, go to Switzerland. But Austria is amazing, too.
+--- 2432672
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Vienna trumps every Swiss city by a wide margin. Other than that, Austria is just way better value for money.
+--- 2432673
+>big cities
+Austria (more precisely: Vienna)
+>small cities
+Switzerland
+>nature
+Switzerland
+>small towns
+Austria
+>villages
+Switzerland
+>food
+Austria
+
+>>2432613
+>Basel
+Yeah, not the best city to visit in Switzerland.
+--- 2433521
+>>2432587 (OP)
+I liked them both but Vienna was my favorite European city.
+--- 2433527
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Vienna is great but I really want to float down Berns river so I'll go with Switzerland
+--- 2433562
+Are there any towns or cities in Austria that facilitate day hikes the way places like Lucerne do? Where you can go off up a mountain or hop on a quick train to another hike spot etc and be able to get back to your home base for dinner?
+--- 2433638
+It depends on how much money you have to spend. Switzerland has the best hiking infrastructure in the world. No one can come close. But it's insanely expensive. The train from Geneva to Zermatt is $100 per person each way. A typical dinner for 2 people will always be over $100. Beers are $9-12 everywhere. But, it's fucking beautiful. And there are 0 blacks and almost no crime. Zermatt is fucking glorious. We had the entire floor of a Chalet for $150/night. This was the view from our Airbnb
+--- 2433790
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Why not both, I mean they are even next to eachother
+--- 2433793
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Vienna is a better city than anything in Switzerland 
+
+Everything is way cheaper in Austria
+
+Outdoors stuff is better in Switzerland. Austria is still very pretty but it doesn’t have anything quite like Lauterbrunnen or Zermatt 
+
+Basically if you have the coin Switzerland is better but you’re not going to have a bad time in Austria either.
+--- 2433799
+>>2433638
+Zermatt has one of the world’s greatest day hikes - the Five Lakes Walk. Achingly beautiful every single step of its 11km. Even the normies were impressed.
+--- 2433883
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Austria is cheaper, no?
+--- 2434357
+>>2432613
+>And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
+LOL from Basel, population ~171,000. Vienna has more than ten times as many people. There are no big cities in Switzerland, period. We’re the third biggest in the country with fewer than 200,000 people, and even Zürich has fewer than 400K (they pretend to have 1.5M, “metro,” but that’s an agglomeration of nearly 200 distinct towns and villages, many of which have virtually nothing to do with the city, not anything like a contiguous urban area). A lot of the small cities here do have nice, dense little centers, but they’re all villages at heart.
+
+Anyway, I love living here, and appreciate traveling domestically, but wouldn’t visit if I weren’t already here. Adjacent parts of Austria, France, and Italy have nearly all of the same stuff we’ve got, apart from cleanliness, world-class infrastructure, and a superiority complex, plus superior food, at huge discounts. The language and cultural diversity is rather interesting—French-speaking Switzerland is quite distinct from German-speaking Switzerland, and Italian-speaking Switzerland even more so, but I don’t think it makes up for paying twice as much or more for everything.
+--- 2434360
+Worth seeing:
+
+1. Vienna
+2. Salzburg
+3. Zürich
+4. Genf
+5. Innsbruck
+6. Basel
+7. Luzern
+8. Graz
+9. Bern
+10. Lausanne
+--- 2437236
+>>2432587 (OP)
+switzerland
+--- 2437238
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Switzerlands flag is a big plus for me
+--- 2437240
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Austria
+--- 2437245
+>tfw when been all over Europe but never Norway or Switzerland because poorfag
+--- 2437252
+>>2432587 (OP)
+If you can ski and have the money go to Zermatt. One of the most beautiful places on earth.
+--- 2438199
+>>2438159
+Expensive but at globalist cabal tier standards.
+>tfw the annual WEF conference needs additional prostitutes flown in to satisfy the demand
+--- 2439703
+>>2432673
+Wth is the difference between a small town and a village?
+--- 2439830
+>>2432587 (OP)
+Might as well explore both if you're already there, waste of time not to if you're flying in from a different continent, and if you're euro then why the fuck not
+--- 2439841
+>>2433562
+pretty sure there are. For bigger cities Innsbruck, Salzburg and even Vienna work. For smaller cities and villages there should be countless of options. 
+Just search for the best hiking trails and mountains in Austria and pick a place nearby.
+--- 2440794
+How bad are the mosquitoes in Austria?

trv/2432593.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,577 @@
+-----
+--- 2432593
+Tell me about your trips to Italy
+--- 2432654
+I went to Trieste for a weekend
+--- 2432678
+>>2432593 (OP)
+i was in rome for 2 months pretty nice. Lots of places to visit.
+--- 2432712
+Plenty to see whether historic or scenic but Italians are really unfriendly and rude to most people even each other, not even just tourist areas but everywhere. I don't get it myself, wtf their problem is, going to their business and spending money but act like you are bothering them and offending them for existing in their presence. Some can be nice too but don't expect it, consider it a rare surprise.
+
+Try as many foods as you can, get it cheap by venturing away from cities and tourist spots.
+--- 2432740
+>>2432712
+>Italians are really unfriendly and rude to most people even each other
+The average Italian is VERY frustrated for various reasons. The "mediterranean sweet life" is largely a meme
+--- 2432850
+>>2432712
+really? italians to me seemed very friendly did you visit the north or something?
+--- 2432862
+>>2432712
+are you not white/south european looking? when i was there everyone thought i was italian (portuguese) and was super nice. I was in venice, rome and campania. rome was fucking shit though. extremely dirty and hotter than satan's asshole
+--- 2432886
+>>2432593 (OP)
+Take a couple of days and rent a car and drive around and explore. I did this in October and went to pic related in Abruzzo. Had the time of my life
+--- 2432889
+>>2432886
+There's a market nearby where you can buy sausage and arrosticini (sheep meat skewers) and they have grills outside going all the time where you can cook your meat there. It was awesome
+--- 2432892
+>>2432712
+Food isn't expensive in cities unless you are a dumb nigger and eat in tourist traps, which judging by your interactions with Italians you probably are
+--- 2432921
+Going to Tuscany in the summer. Just gonna hike and hit up wineries and just enjoy myself.
+--- 2432925
+>>2432593 (OP)
+Italy is the S tier of Europe.
+--- 2432934
+i lived there for 6 years, it was ok
+spring is magical (if you dont have allergies) 
+summer a bit too hot for me
+--- 2434739
+Should I go here or Spain for a 5-7 day trip? 
+
+I was originally looking at Mexico City but a ticket to Rome/Madrid costs the same $5-600, lol.
+--- 2434804
+>>2432593 (OP)
+i went to turin once, on a work trip
+i saw the turin shroud. it was one of the times when they had the "real" one out, not the replica they usually do.
+um, that's about it really
+--- 2434876
+I'm tempted to go for a few days, hit up Florence, Cinque Terre and Venice. Not sure what to really expect though
+--- 2434880
+>>2434876
+>Not sure what to really expect though
+
+If you don't know what to expect there, you will never know anywhere. It's the safest destination ever.
+--- 2434888
+>>2434880
+Oddly that's what has me not knowing what to expect. It'll be the first time I travel somewhere for the culture and the art and the museums and such. Normally I travel to hike and get lost in the wilderness for a bit. Never done the "weekend city break" type of travel before.
+--- 2434915
+>>2432593 (OP)
+
+Siena, the city was getting ready for the Palio, it was beautiful! 
+
+>>2432712
+You sound like any other obnoxious tourist
+--- 2435330
+>>2432712
+>>2432862
+
+probably black or american. or a black american
+--- 2436046
+>>2432593 (OP)
+Been to Italy a surprising number of times —at least once a year for the past five years, and once spent a full month touring around the place. I like it a lot, both north and south. 
+
+A freshly prepared Italian espresso is superior to the exact same drink anywhere else in Europe 99 times out of 100 and I can’t rationally explain why. I get better coffee in the average Italian service station than I get at the most expensive cafe in my hometown in Switzerland, despite the Swiss espresso costing six times as much and being served with a piece of world-class chocolate on the saucer.
+
+Despite a lot of trips to the country I have somehow still never been to Rome. Venice is both as bad as its reputation and also still amazing. Florence too—far too many tourists for completely justified reasons.
+
+Sicily is maybe my favorite part of the country, because it’s got both Italian style and class and rustic mess that feels like a developing country; it reminds me in that respect of Thailand, both sophisticated and (still) fucked up. I’m sure it’s a pain in the ass to have to live and be poor there but it’s a great place to relax with money. Good food, too, but there’s good food anywhere in Italy if you like Italian food. There’s a lot of crap food, too, but it’s easy to avoid.
+
+Years ago I accidentally went to Siena during the world-famous Palio (a horse race in the center of town, a battle of neighborhood clubs descended from medieval guilds). Massively crowded and overpriced tourist spectacle and yet really not for tourists—locals are passionate about it to the point of insanity. Recommended once.
+
+Neapolitans drink red wine chilled. That may actually be a regional tradition from somewhere else down South, not specifically a Naples thing, but that’s where I first experienced it. “Real” Naples pizza isn’t as superior as people pretend.
+
+I’d like to try living in Lucca, Tuscany, for a year or two.
+
+What did you want to know, exactly?
+--- 2436051
+Milan, Lake Como and the surrounding areas are all pretty kino with nice views and historic buildings. As the other guy said the food and coffee are actually nice over there. Would probably go again this summer but I can't bear the high temperatures.
+--- 2436052
+>>2432712
+All Italians I met were nice and hospitable. The fuck are you on about?
+--- 2436067
+>>2436052
+>All Italians I met were nice and hospitable. The fuck are you on about?
+I find Italians warm and likable more often than not, as well, especially down south (as an Italian-Albanian girl, brought up in Naples but working in an ice cream shop in Lucca once told me, people are much nicer in the South but nothing works; up North people are colder but everything is more functional). But even up North, grouchy customer service is the exception rather than the norm in my experience. Maybe in tourist traps in high season you get some jaded folks? I can get by in Italian, as well, so perhaps they’re nicer when they don’t have to speak English. There’s definitely a tradition of complaining about things, and there can be colorful arguments, but it’s always come across as good-humored to me more than seriously hostile.
+--- 2436071
+Just got back from my first trip ever to Italy last week, exploring the NE parts of it, I drove to Venice from Slovenia then visited Laco di Braies up in the Italian alps.
+
+Venice shocked me the first day with how crowded and digusting the grand canal was (even though its low season now), but the eastern parts away from the crowds and the main attractions have some nice parks and quiet streets, the arsenal was beautiful and the canals there were largers and the streets looked cool to live in.
+
+
+It shocked me how in the main square you have digusting tourist shit like t-shirts being sold every 5 metres, the museums are great once you get in but the first impressions of venice were very dissapointing.
+
+Going up in the Alps via car was amazing, very fun roads and going back down towards slovenia was fun as that was the part with serpentines and stuff.
+
+Probably my favorite part was just the drive through the mountains, I had snow, nice weather, sun in the mountains, flowers, roads did not have 1 pothole, it was like driving through a really cool video game. Also there was literally no fucking traffice on a weekday morning so that's nice, apparently after June 16th the school is out and it becomes a nightmare of crowds at every attraction. I will definitely do more roadtrips into Italy.
+
+
+It's clearly getting more and more expensive as even with cheap accomodation near venice in low season you still have to pay 9.5 euros for 1 trip to the city via public boat bus, just a few years ago it would have been 6 euros. So just bite the bullet and visit italy now as it wont get any cheaper in a few years etiher. In venice they apparently will implement a ticket just to get into the city because its so crowded and after seeing the crowds in low season and imagining what giant cruise ships look like in that lagoon in the summer, I totally get it.
+--- 2436078
+>>2432712
+>>2432740
+When I was in Italy I hung out with Piedmontese and Venetians, and Mezzogiorno college girls in the area. I did not get this impression at all. They were very kind and welcoming.
+--- 2436079
+>>2436046
+>I’d like to try living in Lucca, Tuscany, for a year or two.
+NTA but why Lucca specifically?
+--- 2436094
+>>2436079
+>NTA but why Lucca specifically?
+My wife and I were both just charmed by the looks and atmosphere of the very well-preserved, almost car-free walled old city. It’s a small place, but not as small or isolated as some picturesque little hill town, and we found it disproportionally well-served in terms of food, cultural amenities, and general comforts. Nice little local art and design scenes. Bicycles. Beaches not far away by train, many other parts of the country within easy reach as well. There are tourists and tourist attractions, but it didn’t feel dominated by tourism. 
+
+I like a lot of cities and towns in Italy, but Lucca struck my wife and I both as particularly livable.
+--- 2436101
+I went to Rome the other month and it was nice apart from the literal designated shitting street I found. I think (hope) it was dog's but the amount and regularity would mean all of Rome woukd have to walk their dog down that road.
+--- 2436284
+Any comfy countryside small towns to visit?
+--- 2436301
+>>2432593 (OP)
+First time
+>Fly to Rome, simple airport. Easy to get to city by the train
+>Get on metro to get to my airbnb in Prati neighborhood
+>Nice neighborhood, don't understand all the Rome hate. No blacks around
+>Go have some pasta for dinner
+>Got a tour of the Vatican in the morning
+>Take a shit in the morning, walk down to the Vatican
+>find my tour group, still got like ten minutes and feel a little gurgling in my gut
+>See a shitter near some military police
+>Walk over and ask if I can dump out
+>They say no and tell me to go to a different one
+>Walk over there, have to pay. Don't have any coins
+>Meh, don't have to shit too bad
+>Go with tour and get in line for Vatican security
+>Waiting in line and after 15 minutes the pressure starts building on my fried butterfly
+>Ask tour guide if there's a bathroom past security
+>She says yes
+>Ok we good
+>Pressure increasingly mounts because line moves about as fast as the pope can walk
+>Finally get through security
+>Ask guide where the shitter is, says we have to wait until after the elevator
+>What elevator lol
+>Wait in line for elevator now for another twenty minutes
+>Goes to top of St Peters, then I just start walking away from the group of like 30 people
+>Guide tells me to stick with the group
+>nope.jpeg
+>Rush through the rotunda walk way
+>Get to toilet just in time
+>Erupt violently all over the bowl, literally every square cm covered and even got some on the top of the seat
+>Takes me forever to wipe all the wet shit from my hole and cheeks
+>Walk out and rejoin tour group
+>Get to catacombs and hits again but luckily tour is over now we just fucking around
+>Find another toilet
+>Coat that one in shit also
+Kind of wish I had shit my pants, would have made for a real holy shit story.
+--- 2436303
+>>2436301
+Trip cont. though
+>Spend the next two days just walking around and seeing the city.
+>Thought it was incredible, lots to see and easily walkable or to get around
+>Final day I head to the train station to go an hour north to a hill top medieval town called Orvieto (>>2436284 highly recommend here)
+>Awesome town, took the funicular to get to it
+>Did the underground history tour there, interesting af
+>Food pretty expensive there but everywhere I ate was great
+>Go from there to Florence
+>Check into hostel so I can see if I can find some hostel rats to hang out with
+>Head out on foot to go see the shit there
+>Stop at some bar to have a few drinks
+>See a guy put a snus in, tell him I could tell he was Swedish because of that. Trade snus and chat with him for a bit
+>Been messaging an Iranian broad on Bumble
+>She says she has to walk my way to get home and wants to meet up for a drink
+>I take a few shots, already been drinking a bit
+>She shows up, total smoke show
+>Says we should get some wine and go to her place
+>teehee sure
+>Go to her place, immediately start banging it out
+>Thinks my dick is too big so she coats it in baby oil for lube
+>Fuck her out and shes telling me it feels like I'm fucking her stomach
+>Don't care and don't let up
+>We pass out
+>Wake up cause she has to go to work and I have to check out of my hostel in ten minutes
+>Rush back and ask them if I can shower (gotta get rid of the baby oil all over my dick)
+>Hostel staff have no problem with me needing to stay past checkout to shower
+>Didn't even unpack my stuff so super easy
+>Go walk around and sight see more, kind of overrated I thought
+>Go back and stay at her place for a couple of nights, get to save money
+>She cooks me some good Iranian food, get the shits from that too
+>Blow up her toilet with my bubble gut as well
+>She goes to work next day, I head to Pisa for a day trip
+>Nice city, thought the tower, duomo, and the grounds around it were a lot cooler than expected
+--- 2436308
+>>2436303
+cont.
+>Head back to Florence for a night to bang my Iranian broad and stay there one more night
+>Next day get on fast train down to Naples for a night
+>Get to Naples, fucking hell on earth.
+>Feels like Africa
+>Loud and cars honking everywhere
+>Iranian girl sees my location so assumes still on Bumble (I am, duh)
+>Gets furious, deletes me off all the socials
+>dontcare.png
+>Next day can't wait to gtfo out of Naples so I head to Pompeii for a night
+>Train down there is the most ghetto piece of shit I have ever been on. Even worse than NYC metro
+>Pompeii nice little town, main square was kind of under construction though
+>Check into Airbnb
+>Sleep
+>Next day go walk around the ruins for hours, also really fucking cool even though it's a billion degrees out
+>No idea how all the fat fuck tourists can handle it
+>Go back to Airbnb
+>Meet a Ukrainian girl from Tinder for dinner
+>Kind of a 6/10 but meh
+>Go have some pizza, pretty not good
+>Her English kind of shit
+>Say see ya nerd after dinner
+>Go sleep
+>Head back to Rome the next day to spend a night at a hostel before flying to Malta 
+>Hostel is nearby train station
+>That part of the city might as well be Naples
+>African groups just loitering, being loud, and littering
+>Walk to hostel, pass a couple of cars with broken windows that Africans are obviously living in
+>Get to hostel
+>Has a dinner option for everyone
+>Have some drinks, meet some people
+>Group of us (cool 18 year old Brit, 24 year old American jock type, foxy Bolivian gal probably 23, Russian girl who's a total bitch probably 23, and a turbo autistic dork 18 year old Dutch kid, and I) decide to go try some famous bar
+>Get there, bouncer turns us away saying they're closed
+>Obviously not closed, just don't want a group of tourists
+>They all get butt hurt
+>Tell them lets just find another bar and get some drinks and play darts
+>Walk around for a long time finding one
+>Irish pub I think
+>Not many people there, play some darts
+--- 2436312
+>>2436308
+cont.
+>Bolivian girl is pissed because she's way over dressed for a shit hole like that
+>British and American guy keep laughing at her accent
+>She gets self conscious and wants to leave
+>Turbo dutch autist tells us how he's been riding the electric scooters for like 40km today, offers to take her back to the hostel
+>She reluctantly agrees
+>They ride off down the street while she is clutching his boney frame
+>Rest of us all laughing at the image of the nerdiest kid in the city riding a scooter with basically an IG model on the back
+>Definitely most action that kid ever had
+>I go outside to smoke a cig at the bar and there's a couple of Italians outside
+>One has saran wrap on his shin, show him my legs are tatted up as well
+>He pulls the saran wrap down
+>Nazi symbols
+>Doesn't really speak English, just says "SS"
+>Tell him niceman.jpeg (I have a buzzcut, probably thinks I am too)
+>Look around at everyone else in that bar, all have neo nazi vibes
+>We hang out for another twenty minutes then head back to the hostel
+>Next morning walk to the train station to go to the airport to fly to Malta (different story)
+>Leave Malta and fly to Milan
+>No idea what's even there
+>Only have one full day because flight gets in late
+>Easy to get around, clean city
+>Everyone says it's boring, I really liked it
+>I like going to microbreweries because I'm white
+>Go check out a bunch of really good microbreweries
+>Everyone I met in Milan was really nice
+That's about it for that trip. Gotta leave work now, maybe I'll type up when I went to Sicily last summer as well.
+--- 2436313
+>>2436308
+>>2436303
+>>2436301
+>free room and board and pussy
+>throws it away to get some other tinder skanks
+
+based retard, you will regret it later of course and dream about the iranian girl when nobody will want your dog ass
+
+I don't know why you retards think it's glamorous or cool that you are unable to make real connections and relationships while travelling, its very cool to meet a nice girl, travel together and then stay in touch years later, if you are that desperate for pussy at every location you ever visit you can always just pay an escort you fucking loser
+--- 2436328
+>>2436312
+fugg I wish I was the turbo dutch autist
+--- 2436447
+>>2436067
+>so perhaps they’re nicer when they don’t have to speak English
+In my experience this is true. I only knew a few words and phrases but people received me warmly despite being of pajeet heritage.
+--- 2436551
+>>2436313
+I left the Iranian girl because I didn't want to spend the rest of my trip in Florence you brainlet. 
+
+Made plenty of real connections traveling who I still talk to weekly years later despite us having only spent two or three nights together while I pass through town. But enjoy your blown out American roastie, just like 50 other men have in the past who "made a real connection" with their cock and her ass hole.
+--- 2436555
+>>2436051
+I went to Rome and Milan and I have to say I enjoyed my time a lot more in Rome than Milan as noncontrarian as it might seem to say. Milan has basically one big central area which is the tourist spot most come to visit Milan for, but it's not really that interesting unless you want to dine at some extremely well regarded and fancy restaurants (that was above my pay grade). Outside of the town center is mostly smaller neighborhoods and apartments. The food in Rome was very very good. Yes it's hot. Yes it's kinda dingy and smelly in some areas. I didn't have huge expectations coming in and was able to enjoy the history and cool city landscape, as well as easily accessible tasty food. I can't give a full recommendation to either, but if you wanna start your trip flying into Rome and spend a day or 2 there to see the Vatican, I think that's perfectly valid
+--- 2436557
+>>2436313
+>You can't make real connections unless you do things the way I do because I'm the main character
+Mfw
+--- 2436604
+Flew into Rome last September with my gf for 12 nights. 
+
+We did 3 days in Rome and Venice, and 2 days in Bologna, Florence and Verona. We took the highspeed train between each city. The train was easy to buy a ticket, not too crowded, very safe and convenient. 
+
+We walked our asses off in Italy. We did at least 12 miles on foot every day. The weather was perfect for 11/12 days. We had one day or drizzle in Venice, but we still had a great time in the rain. We looked up 80 percent of the places we ate ahead of time and we only had a bad meal 2 or 3 times when we tried to wing it last minute. 
+
+The best things we did:
+Renting bikes in Rome and biking through the Park of the Aqueducts
+The Roman Forum
+Eating outside in Verona in front of the Arena at Nastro Azzurro
+Exploring the backstreets and neighborhoods in Venice.
+--- 2436616
+>>2436604
+what is your opinion of Rome as a city. was it expensive? was it clean?
+--- 2436622
+>>2436616
+The touristy areas of Rome were very clean. They cleaned the streets and trash every night. We stayed in an Airbnb on Via dei Coronari and it was an awesome area. I'd stay in the exact same area next time I'm in Rome. There were plenty of places where you can get cheaper food and drinks. You don't have to spend a ton. But it's definitely not cheap like in Prague or Budapest. There is so much free shit to see outside in Rome that you could walk the streets for weeks and not see it all. 
+
+What's your budget per day?
+--- 2436628
+>>2436447
+>In my experience this is true. I only knew a few words and phrases but people received me warmly despite being of pajeet heritage.
+I’m guessing you’re just screwing around by mentioning this, but my few interactions with the Bangladeshi dudes selling souvenirs in Italy were always a little funny for me; I’m never sure whether to address them in Italian or English. Same thing with the Chinese ladies giving massages on the beaches. I always use Italian, but wonder if English might be easier for them. The whole “third language” situation happens to me all the time at home in Switzerland, too. Would the Vietnamese or Mongolian dude working at the restaurant rather use German, or English? I pretty much always default to German but it’s never not funny to have two people speaking a third language of which nobody is a native speaker. I once asked a lady working at a Japanese restaurant which language she would rather speak (German or English), and she laughed and answered ไทย, so we spoke Thai. Somehow she remembered that I speak Thai, while I hadn’t even remembered meeting her before or learning that she was from Thailand.
+--- 2436637
+>>2432593 (OP)
+I'm in Catania for a weem.
+Any good spots / places to visit? 
+Obviously Etna
+--- 2436645
+>>2436637
+From Catania, Syracuse/Ortigia is an obvious choice—very beautiful old city center with classical Greek roots. The nature preserve area outside of Siracusa is pretty, although I’ve only been in summer when it’s also possible to swim. Another option might be Taormina, which I love in spite of itself—it’s been a sort of tourist trap for posh Euros for 200 years at this point, but outside the high seasons it’s still really beautiful, with some interesting history, and several of the restaurants are excellent (many are crap). Don’t know if it’s super-crowded over the Easter break or not. Not really beach season right now but the shore at Naxos has better ones than the bay right below Taormina whose name escapes me. Isola Bella is more weird than beautiful—both it and the big public garden in Taormina (which is very nice) were done up in follies of fantasy architecture by a family of rich 19th-c English weirdos, some kind of disgraced minor aristocrats.
+
+In Catania itself, there’s an enjoyable communist dive bar near the university. I like Catania overall, lots of grubby charm. Pretty filthy, though.
+--- 2436660
+>>2432593 (OP)
+
+I was in Alto Adige/Sudtirol for a weekend
+--- 2436737
+>>2436637
+The Cathedral and Palazzo degli Elefanti.
+--- 2436756
+I'm planning to go to Italy for 10-12 days not counting travel time, by myself.
+What's a good budget for this? My main destination is Florence, and maybe a small town or the countryside
+I'm fine with not eating like a king and staying at some room
+--- 2436824
+>>2432712
+Typical example of low context culture interacting with a moderate to high context culture
+--- 2436828
+>>2432593 (OP)
+I went jogging in Trentino and got eaten by a bear.
+--- 2436836
+>>2436645
+>>2436737
+Thanks, will report back
+--- 2437048
+>>2436756
+Florence and Venice both amazing. I was there in early May and they were already packed with people. I can't imagine what it would be like in the summer with 3 times as many people in the cities walking around. I wouldn't skip either city. 
+Next time I do Italy, I'm going to hit the smaller, less visited places. I want to do Lucca, Bolzano, Bagnoregio, Siena, La Spezia, Vernazza. The problem is that I'm honestly afraid to drive in Italy. They were fucking maniacs on the road. I've driven all over the world, and the only place Ive seen with worse driving than Rome was in Tijuana Mexico.
+--- 2437053
+>>2437048
+How much did you spend? not counting flight tickets
+Also I've never traveled to another country before, I have a drivers license so what's the procedure to rent a car there?
+--- 2437115
+>>2437053
+
+
+We did 11 nights and we stayed in Airbnbs for the entire trip. We spent $150/day on the Airbnbs. That was definitely the right choice. The rooms were large and it was nice to have a fridge and a washing machine so we didn't have to haul a ton of clothes. 
+
+The highspeed trains were about $25 per person between cities. It was about $150 each total for the trains to do 5 cities. 
+
+We had money to spend on museums, but we never did a single one on the trip. The weather was perfect and there was so much to do outside and a ton of free churches to explore. Renting a bike was $15 for 3 hours in Rome. And we spent $15 on a ticket to the Roman Forum.
+
+1 person
+$150 Trains to 5 cities 
+$50 daily food budget
+$20 day misc. tickets or whatever
+
+11 days- $1100, not including your room and plane ticket. You can budget less than $100 a day for sure, but 100 is enough to have fun. We walked so much that 2 drinks at dinner was all we needed to get buzzed. Wine or beer was generally $6/glass everywhere we went.
+--- 2437265
+>>2432593 (OP)
+Went to Rome for 3 days and had to come back again for 5 days and already wishing to go back for a week.
+--- 2437502
+>>2437115
+>11 days- $1100
+oh thats close to my budget including plane and train tickets
+Thanks, Ill see how can I distribute my budget for 11 days, Florence and some other small village are my main destinations, preferably one with beaches because I love swimming
+--- 2437534
+>>2437502
+You can save a lot by going to the actual grocery store to buy $1 bottled waters and snacks. Those corner convenience stores charge $4 for a water. It adds up when you're drinking 4 bottles a day. 
+
+Also, the sandwich places are always fucking amazing and cheap. I Fratellini in Florence had $4 sandwiches. The locals all eat there. 
+Florence also has a really fancy, relatively inexpensive steakhouse called Steak Home Firenze. I had one of the best steaks in my life there. It was like $60/person with a drink. A meal like that in a high end steakhouse would be $150in the US. This is definitely where you want to splurge for a night if you're eating $4 sandwiches for lunch.
+--- 2437551
+anyone been to bologna? thinking about applying for postgrad at the university of bologna
+--- 2437562
+>>2437534
+nicee
+--- 2437597
+>>2437551
+It's a total liberal hipster city. If you're into that, you'll love it. it's definitely a grittier city than Florence. Personally, I'd go to Verona for school. It's closer to snowboarding, better jobs with all the tourists. You'd be an hour from Venice. It's also good jumping off point to visit Croatia and Slovenia.
+--- 2437657
+Never been. Seems like a strange place that's pushed hard by media everywhere so it makes me suspicious and very against going there. Plus they speak Italian not English wouldn't understand them and would get scammed/played etc. 
+
+Be careful I think is my opinion
+--- 2437659
+>>2437657
+4/10 points for subtlety
+--- 2437660
+>>2437659
+What. I've never been there. And I am scared of it
+--- 2437661
+>>2437597
+I'm into that, was just looking at anywhere that offered English-language masters. in the process of learning italian but don't trust myself to do a pure-Italian masters, can't see myself getting to that level in a year or so. I'll have to check out Verona
+--- 2437791
+>>2432593 (OP)
+Went to Sicily last summer after going around the boot. Boot was ez mode so I figured Sicily would be the same. Nah. Train system is abysmal, same with the bus system. Be aware that some bus drivers are fucking mask cucks still and will deny you if you don't have a mask, same with train attendants there. Was in Trapani and went to take a bus to lift at a gym, waited for twenty minutes and the driver told me I needed a mask so I had to walk back to my airbnb, get one walked back, waited another twenty minutes, driver that showed up didn't have a mask on. I was pissed. Trapani is fucking boring, I think the south and east coast of Sicily is much better. Erice was pretty interesting though.
+
+Palermo I thought was loud, dirty, but had a lot of charm to it. Went to a metal pub there and some sicilians saw me by myself and invited me to drink, then went with a couple of them to a punk bar where I met some of their friends. They thought Americans were the geography meme retarded, so I had them quiz me on European capitals and I got all of them right so they kept buying me shots. Then we went to an illegal street party with 1euro beers which was wild. One of the highlights of my summer for sure.
+
+I guess my advice for Sicily is rent a car or scooter in order to get around, Sicily is the red headed step child of Italy and they have been shunned by the government for so long that their infrastructure really lacks. Someone in Sicily told me Italy becomes more fucked the further south you go, that's why the mob was able to fill that vacancy in Sicily. People in Sicily were a lot nicer than the mainland (not that I ran into many assholes in the boot, but)
+--- 2437799
+>>2437551
+
+Bologna/Parma/Genoa are liberal strongholds there, lots of pro refugee faggots, lots of niggers, lots of crime. Even worse than Milan lol.
+
+Verona/Venice are great study cities, still left wing but a lot less cucked than Bologna/Parma. If you do go to Venice to study you don't need to live in Venice, most live in Padua/Treviso and take the train to school. Just avoid walking around Mestre if you don't want to get shanked by a refugee high on pills because you didn't have a cigarette to give him.
+--- 2437972
+Going to south next week. I'll start from Bari, probably go to Naples and then to Palermo. Is it safe down there?
+--- 2438072
+>>2437972
+Naples not so much. It's the worst city in Italy and maybe Europe IMO. Bari is a tourist city, Palermo you'll be fine it's just a little dirty.
+--- 2438073
+>>2434739
+I kinda prefer Italy. Spanish food is good but nothing beats Italian sea food spaghetti, carbonara, etc.
+--- 2438089
+Any ideas where I could go by car in North Italy? Coming from Germany the obvious answer is Lake Garde. How is Lake Como?
+--- 2438123
+>>2437791
+Yeah I'm in Catania atm, very very dirty city. You're lucky to find a wall with no graffiti.
+(>>2436637)
+Today I went to Syracuse as advised by other anon. The buses run every 30m and I had no issues re: needing a mask or w/e. The trains are so infrequent that they're useless, it's faster by bus from Catania to Syracuse.
+There's those busker cross scam artists in a few places, they'll do shit like put a bracelet or budgie on you, or play you music, then demand you give them money for a service you never consented to.
+Best to ignore them.
+
+Food here is really good. Syracuse had pretty parts, and way less graffiti / trash on the streets.
+
+Syracuse feels like it caters to upper middle class tourists, but most things are still affordable. I wasn't especially impressed by the sights, but thats probably because I come from another European country that has 400+ year old buildings in every town city and village.
+
+Yet to go up etna
+--- 2438141
+>>2437551
+
+Bologna is crazy expensive to both live and rent a room. It's also the quintessential student city, so yeah, worth it if you can afford it.
+--- 2438144
+>>2438089
+
+Well, what do you like?
+
+Arts and architecture? Veneto
+Nature? South Tyrol
+Off the beaten track, 1990s Italy? Trieste
+--- 2438891
+>>2438072
+I'll try to visit Naples when Napoli secures title that should be fun
+--- 2438915
+>>2438073
+Spanish food is probably the worst food in the Mediterranean.
+--- 2439038
+I want to do a lot of the smaller cities and towns in Italy on my next trip, but I don't trust driving there. How do people get around in the countryside?
+--- 2439058
+>>2438915
+That's like saying Ramos is the worst player in 2015 Real Madrid
+--- 2439061
+>>2439038
+You're gonna need a car. There's no other way. Lazy dagos in the countryside don't want to work, it can be hard to find a taxi to the train station even at 8pm. Even if you do, the nearest train station could be half an hour away or more by car.
+--- 2439063
+>>2439038
+Also the economics of not renting a car don't make any sense. Even if you take a taxi out to the sticks and get around by train, the half hour taxi to the station will cost you 40€. For that money, you could rent a vehicle for the entire day, and you can go wherever you want, whenever you want without relying on Trenitalia.
+--- 2439391
+>>2432712
+>Italians are really unfriendly and rude
+I'm currently travelling through Southern Italy and this has not been my experience at all. If you make even the slightest attempt at speaking Italian (I mostly just speak Spanish with some Italian words thrown in) people will be extremely friendly and helpful. Just this morning I had some old lady stop the bus from Catania to Siracusa from leaving for 10 minutes while I went buying a ticket at the kiosk.
+--- 2439448
+>>2437799
+>Verona
+>left wing
+it's one of the most historically neo nazi (not memeing) cities of northern Italy
+The mayor may be left wing at the moment, but he got elected by being in cahoots with the local clergy, you know how politics works
+t. I am from Verona
+--- 2439508
+>>2432886
+>>2432889
+holy based 
+i went there on a hunch cause a couple of locals told me to
+nobody fucking travels to abruzo
+--- 2440252
+>>2439448
+That explains why I liked Verona so much, and the complete lack of crime and brown people. I'm sure your liberal mayor will fix all that peace and quiet and enrich you with some diversity.
+--- 2440258
+>>2436071
+Don't go to Venice on a weekend or in the summer. I went in May of 2022 and it wasn't crowded at all during the week. It was only bad on Saturday around the palace. The rest of the city was nice and chill.
+--- 2440307
+>>2440252
+He already is lmao
+Since early 2022 we have a serious problem with "youth gangs" (you know what that means) 
+They rob and beat people in broad daylight in the city center (I am talking in a 500 meter radius from the Arena), get arrested and released the same day
+Worst part is you can't do shit about it, cause they are mostly minors and tend to use a 5 to 10vs1 tactic
+If you can read italian, look it up on the local newspaper website, it's called L'Arena
+--- 2440330
+>>2438915
+>Spanish food is probably the worst food in the Mediterranean.
+Not technically Mediterranean, but Portuguese food would like you to hold its beer.
+
+I like Spanish food at least a bit, in some places more than others, but it’s hard to deny that it’s pretty monotonous. There’s more variety in Italy.
+--- 2440719
+How much budget do I need to travel to one major city in Italy and a smaller one, for one person?
+I escaped neetdoom months ago and got a job, vacations are coming in summer so I've been saving for that
+--- 2440729
+>>2440719
+read this
+>>2437115
+--- 2440741
+On a backpacker's budget how bad is Italy?
+It looks like covid killed affordable travel in Europe entirely. I would like to go, but if a 1 month trip runs me about $5000, I'd rather just go to Morocco
+--- 2440749
+>>2440741
+If you want an affordable trip to Europe from the United States in the summertime, you need to buy your tickets YESTERDAY my man. They are exorbitantly priced last minute, I'm talking $3000 one way.
+--- 2440764
+>>2440729
+neat
+--- 2440776
+I did study abroad so we went all over the country
+
+>florence
+wonderful people. Obviously full of tourists but making any attempt at all to speak italian with them was really great, even if they did usually jsut switch to english. lots of historical thigns to see, great restauraunts, fun to watch games of soccer. too many ch*nk tourists and elather shops though, and the train station area is kind of sketchy. streets are really hard to walk though because of the bricks I have plenty of stories about florence. 9.5/10
+>Napoli
+run down as hell, full of soul. literally walk down any street and something interesting is happening. lots of neat bars and restauraunts, the spanish quarter and underground is really neat. but probably bring friends with you, especially after dark. Dog poop on the sidewalk/10
+>Rome
+fantastic. really fun to see the sights, horrible amount of africans selling worthless shit by every attraction. dont listen to italians complaining about it, its great. 8/10
+>venice
+comfy, but painfully touristy. no real natives, all tourist attractions. Good art galleries, water taxies are fun. 6/10
+>padova
+neat church, bar had a hole in the ground to shit in. Grappa tastes like rat poison. 6/10
+>Turin
+comfiest place in the country, hands down. Po river is comfy to walk along, the mole is neat to visit, great parks. Would live in. Juve vafanculo
+>Pisa
+heheh its the pissmover
+>prato
+comfy, went to a restaurant there
+>pompeii
+its a tourist attraction but it IS really great to visit. I also reccomend hadrian's villa
+>bologna
+its alright, I guess. Didnt see much, but the College kids thought I was italian for some reason
+>milan
+is there anything else to even see here besides the main church and the giant mall? I barely remember anything besides the duomo. wouldnt recommend taking the subway at all, unless you just really want to get robbed
+
+driving down to naples is really fun
+
+non puoi soffrire in italia
+--- 2440810
+>>2440749
+Nah, they aren't that bad. Lufthansa has tickets for $1000 roundtrip.
+--- 2441253
+>>2432712
+you clearly went to northern italy, these are piece of shit. as snobbish as the french with none of the qualities. also their food is shit, that's why they resort to sell southern italian food.
+
+read: >>2439391
+
+>>2437551
+bologna is a leftist globohomo shithole and so is milan.
+
+>>2437972
+apparently naples is going through a resurgence, people are telling me it never had as many visitors as of now. go there for a day if you can and check if you like it. if you don't, you got capri and amalfi coast nearby.
+--- 2441257
+>>2437551
+I'm Italian and got my bachelor's degree in Bologna. It's the most leftist city in the country. Coincidentally it's full of homeless and thieving immigrants. The food is to die for though, can't argue with that. I'd suggest, if you're interested in university in Bologna, to just find a course in nearby Ferrara, which is less crazy.

trv/2432598.txt

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+-----
+--- 2432598
+I'm going to be living in Kuwait for a year and I will be NEEDING to travel on the weekends to enjoy life. Here's a list of cheap flights:
+
+Georgia
+Cyprus
+Nepal
+Oman
+Saudi Arabia
+Nepal
+Sri Lanka
+Bangladesh
+Qatar
+Jordan
+UAE
+Bahrain
+
+Which would be some good travel destinations for a short stay?
+--- 2432649
+>>2432598 (OP)
+Cyprus would be the easiest short and relaxing stay. The fun parts aren't too far away from the main airports. Georgia maaybe second. Nepal and Sri Lanka I also wouldn't miss for sure. Jorsan you also won't hate I think. I would do at least 2 trips to Cyprus, if it's just weekend trips.
+--- 2432653
+Musandam is the most impressive destination I've been to, ever. I believe all gulf states have cheap flights to Khasab.
+As for the others, define "short stay". I was in Bangladesh for 4 days which was enough to have a nice time and contract dysentery.
+--- 2432665
+>kuwait
+>a year
+hahahahahahahaha onononono holy fuck dude i sure hope they're paying you a gorillion dollars a year and providing you with a tight 18yo arab wife or something. kuwait is literal hell on earth, and this is from someone who loves arabs and their culture. depending on if you're a white or a jeet, your experience will either be really shit or literal kys-tier. i'll assume you're white. you need to get a hobby or something you're intensely passionate about or something that you can autistically study for literally every minute of free time you have, because there is so little to do in kuwait it's astounding. you'll see everything there is to see in less than a week, unless you're some weird insect instathot who loves malls, in which case you'll be fine. also for the six months that it's hell-level hot, you'll need stuff to do. if you're white, you'll probably interact with arabs at your job but practically never on the street, it's all jeets, flips, and other assorted browns. they're all nice enough but you'll notice they all look suicidal, which should tell you something.
+
+in terms of trips for when you have time off, the best gcc country by far is bahrain. very chill, and reminded me quite a bit of singapore. if you have longer, like a week or two, explore saudi. take a while to go around ksa because it's actually very diverse and the southern areas are interesting. if you have the risk tolerance, iraq is very interesting and, in most parts, not as dangerous anymore. you can cross the norther kuwait border. all in all, good luck my man, you'll need it. a year doesn't sound like long but when you're stuck with your thoughts sat in your apartment in kuwait city because you can't go outside without your cock melting off, it is.
+--- 2432735
+Kuwait is a dogshit country, by the way. You'll immediately recognize this by how shitty the airport is. Looks straight from the 80s. Also their lack of digital record keeping is honestly surprising. It has to take more effort to keep physical paper.
+--- 2432759
+Bahrain's advantage is that it has cheap flights to everywhere east of the Atlantic. I was stationed there for a year and the novelty wore off fast (due in part to the tense nature of the Arab Spring). Sri Lanka was outstanding though. Everything was pretty cheap outside of Colombo and the people were super friendly
+--- 2433316
+>>2432665
+10/10 informative post.
+--- 2433623
+There are a couple of kite teams that fly out by Bnaidr. See if you can find out when they'll be out. They fly big shows at the National Holiday, but I think you just missed that. Not sure if they have set schedules or just fly when the urge takes them for the rest of the year.There are three big teams there, not sure where the third one flies.
+--- 2435150
+>>2432665
+>because there is so little to do in kuwait it's astounding.
+Not even fucking?
+--- 2435275
+>>2435150
+you can fuck pajeetas and maybe if you're a westerner you might be able to catch some rebelious kuwaiti girl
+--- 2436599
+>>2435275
+>>2435150
+>>2432665
+there is next to no fucking in kuwait unless you mix into the expat crowd AND aren't shy to break some residency laws (single men aren't allowed women into their flat, etc.)
+--- 2436600
+>>2432598 (OP)
+>Georgia
+worth seeing
+>Cyprus
+skip it
+>Nepal
+skip it
+>Oman
+worth seeing
+>Saudi
+skip it
+>Sri Lanka
+skip it
+>Bangladesh
+skip it
+>Qatar
+skip it
+>Jordan
+skip it
+>UAE
+skip it
+>Bahrain
+skip it
+--- 2437374
+>>2436599
+Young Kuwaiti guys and girls go to parties and events. Any intimacy is private though. It's a country where the predominate form of flirting is girls getting together in an SUV and driving up and down a certain stretch of road on weekend nights and guys get together and chase their cars through traffic just to airdrop them a 'hellow' or literally throw balled up pieces of paper with their phone numbers at them. The dudes who are more savvy with independence and connections usually know an expat who has a private apartment that they can use. Or they drive out into the middle of nowhere at night and do their illicit activities in a parked car in the dark. Weed, sex, drinking and gambling its all there. The rich guys will host parties in seaside vacation villas or on yachts in the open water where they invite a bunch of expat poojeetas or anglo English teachers (the parties with the pajeetas usually turn into all-you-can-fuck buffets). Btw If you are an attractive white woman, you are treated very well in Kuwait because the guys will view you as fuckable. If you are a white man then you're just a white monkey wagie working for their oilbux. 
+
+If you want to get with a rebellious Kuwaiti girl your best bet is to be a kpopmaxxed East Asian. Korean culture is very popular throughout the Gulf States with young women.
+--- 2437392
+>>2436599
+Prostitution is there. I enjoyed my time with Vietnamese girls there, although they can be hit or miss in terms of looks. Avoid the Africans though.
+
+>>2437374
+What you're saying is true, but funny enough, nearly every female bank teller I interacted with was flirty with me. I almost asked one out but was too nervous and unsure if flirting back would have negative consequences for for her (and me). One teller actually gave me some Kinder and said "it was something to remember her by." Also, one time I had a Niqabi girl give me the "fuck me" eyes.
+
+>The rich guys will host parties in seaside vacation villas or on yachts in the open water where they invite a bunch of expat poojeetas or anglo English teachers 
+>Btw If you are an attractive white woman, you are treated very well in Kuwait because the guys will view you as fuckable
+
+Very true
+--- 2437416
+>>2437392
+>>2437392
+Escorts are expensive and not worth it in Kuwait. It's cheaper in Bahrain, but I prefer to fly to Batumi to enjoy a change in landscape and also good cooming. At my horniest, I was looking forward to proposition a Filipina cleaning lady who I hired for housekeeping based on her headshot, but my boner died when I saw her in person. Luckily, I met British girl working as a teacher at an int'l school who moved into my building and I charmed her with gin and weed, finding a convenient way to drain my balls. Spent many Thursday nights rolling a joint, smoking, fucking, and then eating shish tawook. 
+
+And I neglected to mention but yes, if you are attractive there will be flirtatious women. The girls there have mastered their sensual staring and you can feel their eyes following you while you're at starbucks getting coffee but really it ends there. There are no negative consequences per say, it's just highly unlikely for it to go anywhere. They're almost always in groups, so doing an opener is a non-starter because no one wants to be perceived as 'easy' by entertaining an advance. Even if you flirt with them and covertly pass them some contact info, that's just the beginning. And none of them are looking for quick dick. If they're interested in a foreigner, it's probably because they want to be whisked away from their boring life in Kuwait. I have met Kuwaiti women in Dubai, Batumi, even Cannes and they do let loose once they leave Kuwait. Kuwaiti lady colleagues come with me on business to UAE and come out at night to beach clubs with their hair down, wearing tank tops and drink alcohol. 
+
+They are normal people after all.
+
+Also, ask me anything else for the /kwt/ general thread.
+--- 2437473
+>>2437416
+>Escorts are expensive and not worth it in Kuwait
+
+I had the opposite experience actually. But I may just have a different understanding of the term. It cost me 60BD to fuck a call girl in Bahrain versus 20-40KD to fuck in a brothel in Kuwait. Bahrain had a better selection of girls though; also they have massage parlors where the "ideal" therapist isn't a ladyboy. But I also didn't really spend much time in Bahrain (I was based in Kuwait) and only saw one girl. Bahrain is definitely a better country though.
+
+>Luckily, I met British girl working as a teacher at an int'l school who moved into my building and I charmed her with gin and weed, finding a convenient way to drain my balls
+
+Nice. The housing I was in were all people from my job. And the area was fucking boring.
+--- 2437559
+>>2437473
+What area did you stay in? I had to pick out my own accommodations and ended up renting an apartment in a new building off Baghdad Street in Salmiya. Was able to rent a car too so I got a Prado. I think living in Kuwait would have been fairly miserable without my own condo and car. All the condos in Salmiya are dogshit build quality though and the road noise from Gulf Street annoyed me non-stop.
+--- 2437676
+>>2437559
+Initially Salmiya, then Sabah Al Salem. Salmiya is pretty shit in general but it's the best shit Kuwait has to offer. I enjoyed my time there and it is "walkable" (by Kuwait standards). I didn't realize you could rent SUVs as a foreigner. I heard rumors that wasn't allowed. Sabah Al Salem is boring but the location isn't too bad for commuting to Mahboula and Salmiya.
+--- 2437702
+>>2437676
+>Sabah Al Salem
+At least you're close to the airport so you could gtfo every weekend with little hassle.
+--- 2437709
+>>2437416
+>Luckily, I met British girl working as a teacher at an int'l school
+both of you are losers for working as literal english teachers. bottom of the barrel scum.
+--- 2437721
+>>2432665
+The muslim world seems like a hellhole. Either they have sharia or sharia-lite. Either they are full of toughts like Morocco, Egypt, to a lesser extent Turkey or they are rich, lazy Gulf Arabs who collect oil dividend checks for doing nothing and they are too stupid to run their own countries without massive expat armies that are often treated like shit(the third world migrants part of the notorious falakah system) or massively overpaid to be lured in to their hellholes(mostly those from white countries).
+--- 2438098
+>>2437709
+I was invited there by one of the aristocratic merchant families to work with them on a massive engineering project as a consultant paid for by the State. I was well compensated and had a comfy expat package and tonnes of downtime (while waiting for the government to turn its gears). I was well respected at work and given three freshly-graduated hijabi interns for me to teach/supervise and for them to assist me. The pajeet handyman at my apartment handwashes my car every morning because it gets dusty in the desert. I constantly get invited to business events and conferences. I get cases of beer and whiskey from the British Embassy and I hosted pool parties at my apartment, inviting the sluttiest desi expat girls I knew and having group sex with them at the end of the night.
+--- 2438254
+>>2437416
+I’ve been to Batumi but not for cooming- full report pls.
+--- 2438406
+>>2438254
+There are FS thai massage parlours every other block and freelancers of almost every nationality. It's easy to find. I haven't been to Batumi in the last few years but the city still runs on the vice industry. I fucked a Turkiye girl there on vacation in 2019 through Tinder. I only visited for a few two night trips to blow off some steam, so hopefully someone else can chime in. I'm just going to assume that there are more Russians nowadays and prices are probably higher.
+--- 2438879
+>>2438098
+how old were u when this happened
+--- 2438895
+>>2437709
+>thinking that actual teachers at international schools and "English teachers" at local schools are the same
+Common mistake.
+--- 2439698
+>>2438879
+Late 20s
+--- 2440587
+>>2436600
+Cox Bazar looks cool and maybe worth it if flights were cheap. Otherwise I'd skip most of those countries except idk Bahrain when you want to drink alcohol and its the only place around there that serves it. I'd also like to see Jordan.
+--- 2440609
+>>2440587
+Cox Bazar is a dump. You would unironically have a better time visiting Myanmar.

trv/2432810.txt

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+-----
+--- 2432810
+How easy is it to go live in South Africa?
+--- 2432824
+>>2432810 (OP)
+Do you have plenty of Dollars or Euros?
+--- 2433039
+>>2432810 (OP)
+The real question is how easy is it to get full citizenship with passport?
+--- 2433221
+>>2433039
+why on earth would you want a South African passport?
+--- 2436194
+DAAR'S 'N LAND AAN SUIDERKANT, KOM DEEL IN SY VERHALE
+UIT DIE OOSTE, WESTE, NOORDE, SUIDE, TOEGEBRING
+
+DIS 'N LAND MET WILDE HAND WAT UITREIK TELKEMALE
+OM DIE HOOP VAN MORE TE BESING
+DIS 'N LAND VAN KLEURE EN KLANK
+DIS 'N LAND VAN OORVLOED EN DANK
+DIS 'N LAND WAAR ALMAL NA STREWE
+--- 2438342
+I have South African nationality as well as Belgian and I can't figure out why you'd want South African nationality outside of entering Russia easily.
+--- 2439552
+>>2432810 (OP)
+
+If you live on the Western Cape, have enough money to live far away enough and well protected enough from the masses and can deal with load-shedding, then it's a top 10 country

trv/2432966.txt

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+-----
+--- 2432966
+planning on visiting finland later this year 
+how much finnish do i need to know to get by or can i just speak in english with a fake accent
+--- 2433190
+Irrelevant countries like Finland always speak English because no one ever spread their home tongue
+--- 2433254
+>>2432966 (OP)
+don't bother
+--- 2433283
+>>2432966 (OP)
+Most Finns can understand English. Old people and rural areas are the main holdouts. 
+
+Additionally, Swedish is very well known.
+--- 2433293
+>>2433283
+>Additionally, Swedish is very well known.
+Lmao shut the fuck up it's not, well maybe in the western coast, but anywhere else good luck.
+--- 2433875
+>>2432966 (OP)
+>planning on visiting finland later this year
+literally why? this is the second thread i've seen in a fortnight, do you autists just want to go there because of spurdo memes? there is LITERALLY NOTHING TO SEE
+--- 2433879
+>>2432966 (OP)
+Everyone here speaks good English. When are you going to visit and where?
+--- 2433880
+>>2433875
+Finland in Summer is actually pretty decent. Outside summer, you shouldnt visit unless you're interested in winter activities.
+--- 2433955
+>>2433875
+You've never fucking been there. Stay in latin america or go back to thailand you trendy realtraveler™
+--- 2433971
+>>2433875
+>t. has never traveled outside of the county he was born in 
+if you wanna larp on this anime site go to soc
+--- 2434248
+>>2433875
+How the fuck do you know that there is nothing to see you dumb cunt
+--- 2434261
+>>2433955
+>>2433971
+>>2434248
+I literally live in Finland you spastics
+--- 2434264
+>>2432966 (OP)
+everyone speak english in finland no matter where you go
+--- 2434269
+You can get around in Finland by speaking Swedish as well. Finland used to be the eastern province and all the kids are still forced to learn Swedish in school.
+--- 2434270
+>>2434269
+>You can get around in Finland by speaking Swedish as well.
+No you cant, except in swedish speaking areas like coastal ostrobothnia.
+--- 2434310
+>>2434261
+I've never heard anybody refer to a place they definitely totally live in as "there"
+--- 2434314
+>>2434310
+Are you not aware of the existence of ESLs on 4chan or something? Not the guy you're replying to but you're acting a bit dense.
+--- 2434319
+>>2434314
+>a native finnish speaker doesn't understand the difference between here and there
+--- 2434444
+I had the three most boring days ever in Rovaniemi. Turku was fine for 8 hours.
+--- 2434893
+>>2434261
+Maybe you should move to another country, we don't need more of you fucking "so sorry you had to see this" assburgers here.
+Finland is awesome in the summer for some cottagecore adventuring, welcome all /trv/ friends to enjoy the nightless nights of the north.
+--- 2435526
+>>2432966 (OP)
+If you are staying in bigger cities, english will do just fine. We start learning english pretty early in school so most of the people will atleast understand you, except older folks (45+)
+Learning few phrases and words will make people like you more, like anywhere
+--- 2435565
+>>2432966 (OP)
+why fake an accent though
+just say that you are a nato official who came here to protect them from bladomir butin and you love sanna martin and they will get on your dick
+--- 2435669
+>>2433875
+I wanna go hunting for these creatures called "moomin."
+--- 2436073
+>>2433879
+around august and porvoo
+--- 2436076
+>>2433875
+Meeting group of online friends we have known each other for like 6 years. 3 are from the same town in finland one is from poland and me and another are from england
+--- 2436141
+>>2434444
+Rovaniemi has epic IRL Cartman lolcow living there called mikedimayn in youtube. 
+He was inspired by Reindeerspotting drug document in 2010. https://youtu.be/qcDH246zbEs [Embed]
+--- 2436293
+While I've heard that most Finns can speak English quite well, apparently the one thing they aren't good with are gendered pronouns. I've heard that everyone is a "he," including actual women. I've heard this is because the Finnish language doesn't use gendered pronouns, and they slip up when they speak English.
+
+I actually think this is hilariously based.
+>you will never be a woman, even when you actually are a woman
+--- 2436355
+>>2433190
+Been in Helsinki last July, everyone is nice and speaks English. City is almost empty during summer, beach is nice and quiet, and everything it's fucking closed at 8 pm (except liquor stores and Mc Donald's).
+
+I spent like 10 days there and the only word in Finnish I learned is "kiitos" (thanks). Everything is signaled in Finnish, English and Swedish.
+--- 2436360
+>>2436293
+Finnish language doesn't have gendered pronouns, and in the south we use "it" or "that" to refer to people, and "he" for animals. 
+As for why some people slip and only use "he" or "she" when referring to people in English I have no clue. I've mostly heard it from older people and from those who can't speak English at all. 
+
+>>2432966 (OP)
+You'll do fine in English, just learn some basic greetings, "puhutko englantia?" "kiitos" and "anteeksi" or "sori"
+--- 2436603
+>>2436076
+May I ask which town it is? Depending on your answer the activities available will range from
+>getting blackout wasted at the towns sleezy bar and heading to the local grill to participate in a knife fight at 7 AM
+to
+>seeing local sights, eating well at a restaurant doing some fun nature things and maybe hitting up a local big city to see if theres somethig going on at the market at 7 AM and then getting blackout wasted at the towns sleezy bar and heading to the local grill to participate in a knife fight at 7 PM
+--- 2436792
+>come to Finland! There's lots to do and see such as....ummmm.....ermmmmm....l-LOTS OF STUFF, you know?
+--- 2438731
+>>2436603
+porvoo
+--- 2440283
+>>2438731
+The old part of town there is nice for half a day but if the weather is nice, there will be a lot of tourists around. The restaurants in that area will also be expensive.
+You will also be close enough to Helsinki for a day trip if that's something people are interested in. Other than that, not much to do but to get drunk and enjoy the Finnish summer (weather not guaranteed)

trv/2433101.txt

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+-----
+--- 2433101
+I'm going on a trip with my bestie in July to Puerto Rico. What should I know before my trip or advice about things to do to make the best of it?
+--- 2433105
+If it helps budget is about 5k
+Coming from America
+Trip is going to be about a week long
+I plan to visit the rainforests and Viequez for bio beaches.
+--- 2433107
+Of course those aren't the only things we want to do though
+--- 2433207
+>>2433105
+Budget should be more than enough to get through the week depending on where you're staying
+Stay the fuck out of Bayamon
+La Perla is fine as long you don't take any pictures there
+--- 2433929
+>>2433207
+Thanks for the advice. 
+
+What's wrong with Bayamon?
+--- 2435262
+>>2433207
+How is Cidra?
+--- 2435283
+>>2433101 (OP)
+5k is more than enough as one of the anons above said. Old San Juan is a fun visit for just a day to visit the old forts and seeing the colonial architecture. just be aware that Old San Juan is solely for tourists and damn near like a living museum that clears out after 4PM thanks to all the airbnbs.
+if you're renting a car and feel like adventuring the island you can go drive to Ponce to see the firehouse then go to the countryside like Lajas (one of the 3 luminescence bays is there). countryside is where the Puerto Ricans from the cities go for vaca so it's pretty chill if you do your research.
+
+>>2433207
+As for La Perla, I have no idea why you would go there. the area has improved over the last couple of years especially during daylight hours but you're visiting a slum ultimately. unless you're a 20 something who wants to buy some weed you have no reason to go there.
+--- 2437191
+>>2433101 (OP)
+Best way to split the week is to beach bum/tour during work days and then on the weekend you focus on downtown for packed nightlife. Your schedule should look something like this:
+>Sun-Wed
+Rainforest (must prebook tickets/tour guide with tickets or you're stuck on the weakest hikes/river swimming, they will not let you in up top without a booking anymore)
+Bio Bay in vieques is a scam now, you cannot swim in it after a shark attack, better off going to the one in La Parguera since some boat tours will let you take a dip there still, some tours will do kay kayaking/boating during the day too as a combo deal. If you want to save time, you can do a rainforest tour to the bio bay kayak tour in Fajardo, stopping at the Luquillo Kiosks for food (La Parrilla has good lobster and fish) to tick those boxes in a single day. 
+
+
+Rest of the days should be spent at a beach resort or airbnb, the recommendations would be either Rio Grande, Palmas del Mar Airbnbs (if you can score one in Marbella that's the best one) or go to Rincon if you want older cheaper hotels but actual surfing. Dorado is good too but the hotels are too pricey and the beaches too calm for my taste. Catamaran trips to Caja de Muertos or Icaco/Palomino are great too, the latter easily accessible from Palmas and Rio Grande. Palmas has no night life though so it really is beach bumming and drinking all day every day. 
+>Thurs
+La Placita en Santurce is great at night, can spend the day in Isla Verde touring around and going to the beach there
+>Friday
+Condado and Calle Loiza, La Concha Hotel casino has cheap ($5 and $10 tables) for most games
+>Saturday
+Old San Juan for nightlife. If you don't mind the smell, Casa de Montecristo is a high end cigar lounge with the best stocked bar on island. La Factoria is a good bar if you're 23+ (arbitrary entry requirement), El Batey is a nice dive, La Taverna Lupulo is the better beer hall.
+
+Don't go to La Perla, it's a literal ghetto.
+--- 2437198
+>>2433929
+There's nothing in Bayamon besides the Costco really.
+>>2435262
+Boring rural shithole, however a daytrip to Cayey is pretty good to go to a lechonera. Wouldn't be a bad way to spend saturday noon, driving up to get spit roasted pork in the mountains.
+>>2435283
+>vsj is solely for tourists
+m8, vsj has been the go-to spot for locals to hang out in every single saturday night for decades. It never doesn't have life in it unless you plan on partying on a tuesday night.
+>Ponce
+Capital of the south but realistically it's a two street city with the lighthouse and Don Q house as stops and that's it. 
+>La Perla is good for weed
+Shitty weed, better off going to buy perico (cocaine)
+>countryside is where locals vaca
+if by countryside you mean Rio Grande, Dorado, Luquillo, Humacao (really palmas del mar), Rincon and La Parguera, then sure. The rest? Lmao no. Luquillo also isn't the most tourist friendly/safe area either, wouldn't recommend it compared to others. 
+
+Final tips:
+>Don't drink Bacardi at all, stick to Don Q and Ron de Barrilito, don't do the distillery tours
+>For local beers avoid Medalla/Magna (piss water) and stick to Ocean Labs
+>try Mofongo, Fried Red Snapper, Lechon, Tostones, Alcapurrias, Amarillos (sweet plantain instead of salty), Churrasco (skirt steak) and some spanish stuff like Croquetas, Pulpo a la Gallega, Ceviche...
+There are tons of great restaurants downtown, do some research. La Picara by Chef Xiomi is a must, despite the expense (get a reservation), Santaella is also great. Oh and when you go to La Placita, be sure to stop at La Penultima as its the best bar in the area.
+
+Post your itinerary/plans so far and I'll lyk if you should swap some shit out. If you want to beach bum in style, Culebra > Vieques, Flamenco Beach is world class.
+--- 2439658
+>>2433101 (OP)
+hurricanes
+--- 2440041
+Thanks guys for all the advice. You guys are awesome. 
+Will post itinerary in few days. Still working on it.
+--- 2440922
+>>2440041
+It really isn't too hard. I'll give you a sample for a 7 day stop:
+>Land and go to Wyndham Rio Grande/Palmas del Mar airbnb to check in day 1. If airbnb go to costco or a grocery store and buy food and drinks, beach bum it up that day.
+>Rainforest > luquillo kiosks for food > fajardo bio bay kayak tour day 2
+>day 3 go to the beach all day or hit up a catamaran in fajardo to do Icacos and Palomino
+>day 4: isla verde during day and Placita at night
+>day 5: Ocean Park swim, condado nightlife and calle loiza for food
+>day 6: Old San Juan day and night
+>day 7: beach and another night at old san juan
+
+Alternatively: Casa de Montecristo has jazz nights on thursday, so you do old san juan (vsj) thurs and saturday, placita on friday and condado on sunday/day 7. You can do a lechonera in Cayey sunday morning (drive out from san juan around 10am to make it there for lunch)

trv/2433544.txt

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+-----
+--- 2433544
+TAIWAN GENERAL: MOVING TO TAICHUNG BECAUSE TIRED OF USA EDITION.
+Do you like Taiwan?
+Have you visited?
+Do you think travel between China and Taiwan will ever restart?
+Anything about Taiwan. go go go.
+--- 2434110
+I’m not sure whether to live in Taichung, Tainan, or kaohsiung
+
+>speak mandarin at good level and want to continue learning via tutors/friends 
+>not going to work, just want to have fun, date cuties, eat good food, and do yoga and other exercises
+--- 2434113
+>>2434110
+Btw I don’t want to live in Taipei because it’s more expensive and I don’t want rainy cloudy weather
+--- 2434138
+>>2434110
+I heard Kao has the better rail system when compared to Taichung. Good hiking in Kao too.
+--- 2434148
+>>2434138
+Thanks anon, I heard that too. Public transportation is a plus for me. Not sure if I want to get a scooter or not
+--- 2434162
+>>2434148
+I have plans on moving to Taichung, but a little nervous about scooter riding after hearing some accident stories. Might just get an electric one so I don't need to get the license. gogoro
+--- 2434180
+>>2433544 (OP)
+hows da coomin?
+--- 2434225
+>>2433544 (OP)
+>Do you like Taiwan?
+Yes
+>Have you visited?
+Basically lived there for five months
+>Do you think travel China and Taiwan restart?
+Uhh did it ever stop? 
+>Anything about Taiwan
+Fuck you ask questions
+
+>>2434110
+>Taichung
+Didn't like it and saw no redeeming factors. Probably does have the most cuties of the three though.
+>Tainan
+Public transportation system probably worst of the three. Pretty walkable though. Feels the most authentically ching chong of the three.
+>Kaohsiung
+If you don't want rainy/cloudy weather then it's your best bet. Has a metro and more things going on than the other options but is also probably more expensive than the other two.
+
+>>2434162
+Scooter riding accidents have been sky rocketing as of lately. I used to see one bad one about every other two weeks. I wouldn't become a scooter fag in any of the major cities, they all have city bike system now which I prefer anyway and it will keep you from becoming a fat fuck.
+
+>>2434180
+It's Asia, be white, /fit/, and tall and it's a hot pot buffet of sliz
+--- 2434371
+>>2434162
+Don't get a scooter period, bro. It's not just that the victims themselves were reckless, it's the other drivers. Scooter drivers in Taiwan are crazy and car drivers do not give a fuck.If you're doing this for years there's a very likely chance you could have a very bad accident. A spine is so easily severed it's scary.
+
+like >>2434225 said, just get a bike and use the classic roads, or use public transportation. 
+
+>>2433544 (OP)
+I have lived in Taiwan for 3 years. Yes, I like Taiwan. The other questions are retarded.
+>anything about Taiwan
+Why make a shitty Taiwan general OP if you have nothing to contribute ? At least the Jap one has a few useful links and answers a few useful questions.
+--- 2434440
+>>2434371
+The jap general is the only one with links and is updated constantly. Bitching about this general but nobody, including you, makes one. Did you just come here to bitch?
+--- 2434457
+>>2434440
+Not him, but you are probably the one who bitched about a guy asking about his itinerary in the other Taiwan thread that was made hours after this one. Sorry no one wants to chime in on "has anyone been to Taiwan?"
+--- 2434466
+>>2434457
+must have really hit a nerve. this isn't reddit
+--- 2434471
+>>2434440
+Do you know why nobody makes threads about Taiwan ? Because we never have more than one or two threads about the place anyway. 
+The taiwan general threads i saw used to discuss gold card visas, places to see, and the OP knew his shit.
+
+A thread died for this shit you faggot
+--- 2434486
+>>2434466
+XD got me good XD XD XD XD
+--- 2434490
+>>2434471
+>>2434486
+thanks for the free bumps fellas.
+--- 2434541
+>>2434225
+>be white, /fit/, and tall
+I can give you white /fit/ and bald final offer
+--- 2434641
+Fellas, fellas, fellas, take it easy. Let’s all get along
+
+Anybody here have a good card? I’ve worked at a FAANG tech company for almost 5 years, I hope it will make the application easy
+--- 2434642
+>>2434641
+*Gold card
+--- 2434881
+>>2434641
+>takes the random example the other guy cited
+
+What a fucking shitshow
+--- 2434951
+>>2433544 (OP)
+>not a real country edition
+Based.
+--- 2434963
+>>2434881
+I’m not OP
+--- 2434987
+>>2434951
+You're almost late wumao.
+--- 2434990
+>>2434987
+STFU GTFO
+--- 2435035
+>>2434987
+>>2434881
+what's with the massive butthurt? make a different general and let this one die if you can do so much better. still seething because of that post in your taiwan thread telling you to use the general? let it go you 12 year old female.
+--- 2435712
+>>2435035
+You seem to be the one who was fucking fuming over there being two Taiwan threads homo
+--- 2435789
+Is Orchid Island worth it?
+--- 2435831
+>>2435712
+man children who throw tantrums are always interesting. imagine being 18+ and throwing a multiple day tantrum online. bit weird.
+--- 2436105
+taipei is not a state let alone functional
+--- 2437062
+Are Taiwan girls DTF?
+--- 2437120
+>>2435831
+Not >>2435712 but you seem to be the one with the tantrum over there being two Taiwan threads, bub
+--- 2437121
+>>2437062
+Yes, it's Asia.
+--- 2437143
+>>2434110
+kaohsiung for me. taichung last choice.
+--- 2437243
+>>2437143
+Have you been to Tainan? Are there a lot of cuties?
+--- 2437406
+Apparently the tourist cash incentive starts April 15th. Keeping my explications low but 5,000 ntd can come in handy.
+--- 2437431
+>>2437406
+Woah how can I get in on this? I arrive on the 16th.
+--- 2437452
+>>2437431
+No idea. All the info online says they don't know how it will be implemented yet so don't get your hopes up. Probably when you enter the country at the airport there might be a place to collect it.
+--- 2437455
+Hope y'all realize that Taiwan will be the place where China and the US clash to determine the future of Asia. Won't be pretty.
+--- 2437464
+Does anybody know what the startup scene in Taiwan is like? I am thinking of moving there with the goldcard but I don't want to just end up using it as a remote office.
+--- 2437467
+>>2437406
+>>2437431
+Nice. I arrive on the 24th.
+>>2437455
+Everyone keeps saying this but if it actually happens, we have much much bigger problems.
+--- 2437522
+>>2437455
+That's exactly why I'm going now. I came so, so close to visiting Yemen in 2012 but decided to backpack Europe instead. I don't want to have to kick myself that hard again.
+--- 2437529
+>>2437455
+The USA does not have the courage to start WW3, they are too afraid to even go to war with Iran. The propaganda is just posturing and name-calling. Unlike Ukraine, Taiwan is on its own and doesn't have 500 million virtue signalling Eurosoys pretending to back them up.
+--- 2437533
+>>2437529
+China's the one constantly trying to chestthump lol. Remember when China shit itself because Nancy Pelsoi paid Tawain a visit against the wishes of the chinks? China is a paper tiger.
+--- 2437537
+>>2437533
+Nancy was the one starting shit. I don't give a shit about China or the USA. I hope you nuke each other. Fuck mutts and fuck chinks.
+--- 2437545
+>>2437537
+USA all the way baby, USA all the way
+--- 2437646
+I fly out next week and now I'm seeing that to do any interesting hikes in the national parks you have to apply 30 days in advance? Taroko Gorge too? What the fuck is this? Can anyone confirm?
+--- 2438314
+>>2435035
+You're confusing me with someone else and you're the one who looks angry.
+--- 2438568
+>>2437243
+Not >>2437121 but yeah, there's cuties in all three. They're cities bro. Tainan feels more artsy or authentic where Kaohsiung feels more metropolitan. If I had to pick Id say Kaohsiung is the better to live in. There's beaches nearby so cuties from the north come through.
+--- 2438569
+>>2437646
+I never ran into that. I think I only heard about it with the two tallest mountains (forgot their names). Taroko never needed it though.
+
+>>2438314
+This. The faggotry is colossal.
+--- 2438578
+>>2437455
+Thats like 80% of the appeal
+--- 2438628
+>>2434113
+I don't get the point of leaving the US to be living in the chinese equivalent of Kansas City. Taichung is nice if you want a chance of scenery for a week end, but it's incredibly boring and doesn't have half the things and happenings Taipei has. Of course, if you're just an autistic shut in who just wants to go teach his classes and go back home and just masturbate at the idea of living in Asia, then by all means live there.
+
+Taipei's rent is basically only 200 bucks (USD to simplify) above the other cities. And even if you can't shell out the 200 bucks you could literally just live in New Taipei City. places in Xizhi district are a few stations away from Taipei Main Station. Same goes for Banqiao or Tamsui, where you at least have the option of going to Taipei whenever you want. 
+
+Not only that, but unless you want to eat the same chink shit over and over again your options will be extremely limited. On the other hand, Taipei has pretty much every cuisine one can think of.
+--- 2439531
+If I don't want to be an english teacher, is there any way to earn a decent salary in Taiwan?
+--- 2439565
+Considering Taiwan this summer but will it interfere with my ability to get a Chinese visa?
+--- 2440091
+The dream Taiwanese gf
+--- 2440102
+visiting Taiwan for 2 weeks in a month or so. Its my first vacation outside camping in the USA. Im thinking of going motorcycle camping. anyone have any other recommendations.
+--- 2440163
+>>2438628
+> the hustle and bustle of the big city 
+
+I know what you mean but the thing is right now I live in a city that has similar weather to Taipei and it’s lame desu, I want to live in a hotter sunnier area of Taiwan. Tainan population is almost 2 million and Kaohsiung almost 3 million, can it really be difficult finding shit to do? I’m not going to get a shitty ESL teaching job either, I’m going to become fluent in Chinese and make friends. Regardless, Taipei is just a quick train ride away.
+--- 2440302
+>>2434110
+Honestly I like Kaohsiung the most and like >>2440163 says the train journey to Taipei is so quick you can always go in if you want to.
+--- 2440421
+>>2440163
+
+Taichung may be slightly less humid than Taipei but it's still humid as fuck. Also, the Taichung and Kao population numbers you're referring to are calculated over the entire county, whereas Taipei's only includes the city itself, which is minuscule. Taipei is actually 8 million strong if we count New Taipei City. 
+
+
+>shits on english teaching jobs
+>thinks he'll be fluent in no time and make local friends easily
+>goes in a small backwater taiwanese city
+
+I don't know if you're someone who's experienced with living in China/Taiwan or even Asia in general, but Taiwan is an insular country full of what are mostly calm folks who would rather just live their lives undisturbed. There aren't a lot of parties and/or meetups in Taiwan to begin with. Kaohsiung potentially is the next best thing if I really had to choose, but the truth is you're going to spend a long while very much alone, or with expats, most of which are english teachers or programmers (when they're non anglos).
+
+And I'm not saying "alone in your home country" alone. I'm talking about absolute, true loneliness where you're never sure that the people you talk to fully understand you say and vice versa, where you have no potential family or reliable friends yet. And it will take more than a year at best to reach a satisfactory level in chinese. 
+
+
+>>2439531
+Next time you're asking questions like this make sure you give the specifics about your preferences and qualifications. No one in their right mind will give you (for free) a curated list of job opportunities for you to shit on "i don't like this" "i don't have the qualifications for this".
+--- 2440464
+>>2440421
+Appreciate the words of wisdom anon. In regards to the weather, my problem is living in a location that is cloudy and drizzling rain for much of the year. I want to avoid that. My understanding is that the southern cities in particular have very different weather than Taipei. 
+
+what I should have clarified is that my Chinese is already at a good level anon, I’ve been studying for multiple hours every day for 1.5 years now. I read native books and listen to native podcasts as my studying method. I talk with native Chinese people and we clearly understand each other. It’s not difficult. Further, I don’t plan on moving to taiwan until 2024 so I’ll keep improving. 
+
+I have the money and investments to not require a job in Taiwan. I plan to go to university for Chinese learning and also meet with tutors and make friends. The reason I shit on English teaching jobs is because the stereotype is that ESL teachers will just hang out and congregate with other expats. Which is exactly the opposite of what I want to do. 
+
+I’m a good looking, charming American with exotic features. I don’t think it will be difficult to find people to chat with and make friends. I’m not big into partying or drinking anyways, I would prefer to take things slower in a sleepier location such as Tainan. But we’ll see. If I don’t like it I’ll just move to Taipei, as I won’t be tied down by a job anyways.
+--- 2440585
+>>2440464
+>I’m a good looking, charming American with exotic features.
+you unironically sound like the biggest faggot alive. you are not gods gift to asians like you think you are
+--- 2440607
+>>2440421
+Following up on the job topic, sorry that's very sensible. I work in biotech and run the commercial side of my company, which we are about to sell. I know taiwan has a lot of biopharma but I am not sure what the hiring scene is like for foreigners or what the tech spin-out scene is like. Probably going to have to go visit to answer the latter.
+--- 2440620
+>>2440585
+Gods gift to Asians is your word, not mine anon. All I’m saying is that I lived in a city with a lot of Asians for years and I’ve also spent a while in Cambodia and had good results in both places. I doubt Taiwan will be any different.
+
+What has your experience been?
+--- 2440625
+>>2440620
+Siem Reap? I’m doing a 4 month tour of SEA.
+--- 2440641
+>>2440625
+Yes, I’ve been there multiple times. It’s a bit of a sleepy city with lots of weed if that’s your thing. Lots of local cuties and also some European cuties (this was before Covid, not sure how it is now)
+--- 2440869
+>>2440625
+>>2440641
+Take it to the sea general
+>>2440607
+Taiwan has bio shit? Thought it was all chips and manufacturing.
+--- 2441068
+Has anyone went to a Taiwanese university for a Chinese language program? Which uni? And has anyone applied for the hanyu enrichment scholarship?
+--- 2441184
+>>2440607
+To be honest it's better you go there and see for yourself. When we're in tech chances are we're already working and shit so your best bet is to just write a cv, translate it in chink (but mention that you're not good at chinese so you're honest, this is just so hrs just don't throw your cv right off the bat), and just cv bomb them until you hit the jackpot.
+--- 2441244
+>>2441184
+Yeah probably sensible. I also need to get an idea of whether their tech licensing groups are shit because they just need someone to come in and run it or because there's some internal barrier to it functioning properly .
+--- 2441258
+>>2440464
+>I have the money and investments to not require a job in Taiwan. I plan to go to university for Chinese learning and also meet with tutors and make friends. The reason I shit on English teaching jobs is because the stereotype is that ESL teachers will just hang out and congregate with other expats. Which is exactly the opposite of what I want to do.
+
+English teachers speak about as much or little Chinese on average as other Westerners living there.

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+-----
+--- 2433837
+I'm heading to Copenhagen next month with my gf, and she really enjoys getting frisky in semi-public places. Are there any clubs or bars in Copenhagen where it would be possible to do some light sexual stuff? Maybe a place with lots of dark corners or small rooms. Not looking for a sex club or swinger's club or any of that. Also, any parks where it would be alright to have sex?
+
+Btw, I'm not trans, if that matters
+--- 2433865
+>>2433837 (OP)
+I've heard malmo is pretty good for public sex from the Daily Mail.
+--- 2434043
+>>2433865
+The "public sex" you are referring to is rape. Sweden, and especially Malmö, has been an absolute shithole the last 10-15 years
+--- 2434123
+>>2433837 (OP)
+yes, my place, I will fill her up sir
+--- 2434134
+Btw I said I'm not trans but I actually am
+--- 2434207
+>>2433837 (OP)
+Fucking disgusting, i'd throw beer over you and your whore girlfriend please don't come to Denmark.
+--- 2434212
+>>2434043
+missed the joke
+--- 2437212
+>>2433837 (OP)
+can't tell if this is actually a serious post or not, but it's legal to have sex in public forests in denmark. just do it off the beaten path so you don't disturb anyone else
+--- 2437280
+>>2433837 (OP)
+no fuck you
+--- 2437283
+Maybe Christiania?
+--- 2437953
+Depends on what you normally are into and like, but if you wanna go hard start researching techno and underground places.
+
+Other than that:
+
+Blume
+Bakken (and general bar / club hopping in meatpacking)
+Module
+Hangaren
+Mambo
+
+
+As for bars and pregaming, you either wanna download the Nightpay app and get triple your moneys worth at select bars (works until around 23:00 I believe)
+
+OR
+
+you buy a cheap bottle of liquor and sneak it in wherever you go.
+
+Remember to public drink and piss in the harbor. The sausage stand on Gothersgade is the best in all of CPH, so it’s perfect for nightfood.
+--- 2438511
+I heard you can get your Club's entry declined if you're a Brown*id because they might think you're muslim and want to harass women
+
+same in Sweden
+--- 2439006
+Just go to Den Anden Side, full of trannies inside though but good vibes.
+--- 2439628
+that's a weird specific thing you are looking for. Have to agree with: 
+>>2437953
+>Bakken (and general bar / club hopping in meatpacking)
+I am obsessed with Denmark and have been there many times. Last time I went to Copenhagen I got majorly fucked up on pills at Culture Box, took off my shoes and socks in a school playground and forgot I did that and walked to my hotel barefoot for an hour which gave me a massive flesh wound. 
+
+I also left my phone and wallet in that playground which were found the next day by a construction worker so I had to walk back the next morning on lost & found shoes from the hotel that gave me massive blisters. All and all it was a pretty big wake up call to not get that fucked up. I saved the cloak ticket from the club I was kicked out off for being completely off my rockers and still have it in my wallet as a reminder to not do shit like that ever again.

trv/2434059.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434059
+I am sick of this country with idiot people voting for idiot politics and having idiot mentality) I speak languages (ENG, PL, ESP, PT) and can adapt, dont want to stay here forever and be wage slave if I would live comfortably, earning normal money, with normal life. Germany, for example. Why bother living here if all my skills and potential goes to waste because I have no will to live here lol
+
+Also, I just lost my GF because she couldnt change her stupid arrogant character. We loved each other greatly, but well, not enough I guess. Lord, have mercy on her (not even catholic lol)
+
+ANYWAY, we thought about these places:.
+
+1. Portugal - not the richest country definitely in Europe but I know it has cool rural climate, nice, kind people (not like spanish drunk always happy pretending life is cool - I hate that so much). They have some problems with aparments market but I think its okay if you choose NOT Lisbon and probably NOT Porto, just some other cool, smaller cities. I would be willing to learn PT no problem (they speak ENG though)
+
+2. Bali - much more distant and exotic country but its getting popular, for some reason literally everyone can get like villa with pool for half-free. Is this for real? Sounds like perfect life. But i do not know much aboutt that country.
+
+3. Malta and Ciprus - both islands in EU are looking pretty cool, nice banking systems, stability probably. And there are islands so plus for that.
+
+
+More options? Must be:
+- okay-good economically
+- some starting welfare would be nice
+- girls with no princess mentality, open-minded and liking nerdy lifestyle if possible. Just normal behaving girls who would love you and respect you - goes both ways. Bonuss points if they have latino-beauty type and like anime/games (not possible?)
+- good place to work remotely, as digital nomad, programmer
+
+What do you think? Any other country? I can listen about all of them, thanks!
+--- 2434090
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>live comfortably, earning normal money, with normal life
+are you a doctor or an experienced mechanic?
+--- 2434283
+>>2434059 (OP)
+just pretend to be a plumber, move to the uk, do loads of drugs and kill a student or some other innocent bystander
+that's the popular choice these days
+--- 2434318
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>Ciprus
+I would recommend Cyprus, indeed, based on your requirements. Portugal, maybe. It's important that you like the mentality of the people around you, so if you feel like you don't hate Portugal, go for it. Not all of my Portuguese colleagues are princesses, but know that there are many spoiled brat type girls there, too. Some cool girls, too, who hate the guts of the lazy Portuguese guys, so you should find it easy to find them once they realize you don't just sit around all day.
+
+I don't think there's any country in the world where the government doesn't suck ass, although obviously there's a difference between let's say North Korea and Finland. The mentality of us commoners does vary a lot. So I do enjoy that I left Eastern Europe behind, and only visit for the holidays. But know that you might have moments when you regret moving. For me it's always enough to visit family at home for a day to motivate me for not having to enter that land for another year.
+--- 2434321
+>>2434059 (OP)
+I thought Poland was supposed to be a White man's paradise, what's wrong?
+--- 2434324
+>>2434321
+said the American
+--- 2434336
+>>2434059 (OP)
+Siemanko
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>with normal life. Germany, for example
+Nigga, please. Enough of that kraut nonsense.
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>Bali
+It's not a country, the country is Indonesia. Bali is pretty cool from what I have heard. I was in Thailand and met some guys who have been to Bali and they highly recommended it. You have to be aware that you won't have any chances of getting a job locally. So if you work remotely, it should be fine. Don't expect it to be dirt cheap, prices are almost European
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>Malta and Ciprus
+I know some folks who went to Malta and were utterly disgusted. Cyprus I am curious about myself, but I expect it to be completely overrun by russians. I know Thailand and UAE are. Wasn't pretty.
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>- okay-good economically
+Not Bali, Not Thailand
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>some starting welfare would be nice
+Jesus fucking Christ, seriously? Go to Sweden with that mentality
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>girls with no princess mentality, open-minded and liking nerdy lifestyle if possible
+That's not a feature of the place but the person you are talking to
+
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>good place to work remotely, as digital nomad, programmer
+Thailand has great internet, so does Bali. You'd be fine in most places in Europe, SEA, and North America.
+
+I don't want to be a dick but it sounds like you have some growing up to do.
+--- 2434387
+>>2434059 (OP)
+If your tired of living in Poland maybe you could try moving to Sosnowiec, pretty similar culture and language but it isn't Poland.
+--- 2434389
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>I speak languages (ENG, PL, ESP, PT)
+>I would be willing to learn PT no problem 
+Make up your mind
+
+>some starting welfare would be nice
+>girls with no princess mentality, open-minded and liking nerdy lifestyle
+Delusional
+
+>good place to work remotely, as digital nomad, programmer
+lmao co kurwa
+How on Earth are you not living comfortably and "earning normal money" in Poland if you're a good enough programmer to get remote work? It's literally the one job that pays well
+--- 2434395
+>>2434059 (OP)
+You should probably grow up a little bit first. Sounds like all of your issues are you have too much free time
+--- 2434401
+>>2434321
+the weather is miserable for like 8 months every year
+--- 2435574
+>>2434059 (OP)
+i live in estonia and i feel you
+i for some reason thought that you poles are ahead of the rest of the eastern europe and are about to transcend into a civilized country, sorry to hear i was wrong
+personally, i am aiming to move to singapore or at least to the part of malaysia close to singapore, so maybe thats another idea for you
+you have to be loaded to do that though, and since you mentioned welfare, that may be not a good idea for you
+--- 2435586
+>>2434321
+American right-wingers gaslit themselves into thinking that Poland is based therefore Poland is the best place in the world to live
+--- 2435618
+>>2435586
+Yeah it was all projection. Muh religion, muh tradlife, muh whiteness. 
+
+Poland isn’t bad. It’s your regular European country. Less fucked up society than most western countries but also less wealthy. Very safe, very boring. Ugly architecture. No real opportunities for smart people (that’s why most leaves). Completely regarded and feudal political class. Still better than green communists, but ineffective and embarrassingly incompetent nonetheless. 
+
+I hate the climate. That applies to most Europe. Estonianon mentions Singapore. It’s amazing.
+--- 2435645
+>>2434059 (OP)
+I spent 9 years in UK, don't go there.
+
+Easy mode but not rewarding-Germany or Sweden
+Hard Mode but very rewarding-Switzerland or Luxembourg
+
+
+Cyprus is a good choice. Lots of shady banks, bards, plenty of Brits looking for cheap labour, UK army base with 
+Bali is a bad choice. You will basically facing competition from US, West Europe, USA and Rich Asians.
+--- 2438269
+>>2435645
+why not uk?
+--- 2438276
+>>2434059 (OP)
+learn german and move to Switzerland
+--- 2438278
+>>2434059 (OP)
+come to buenos aires my friend >>2422680 →
+--- 2438318
+>>2434059 (OP)
+I'm Greek. I'd suggest writing off southern europe off your list. You can't afford to live there with local wages. All countries are overrun by german pensioners, rich tourists and generally tourists and digital nomadic parasites. Average rent in Athens is higher than minimum wage, and that's for a shithole mind you. Nicer towns are either more expensive or have no jobs. 
+ 
+Cyprus and Malta are somewhat better off but not much. No idea about bali. 
+ 
+Even I no longer live in Greece, I live in the UK. I'd suggest you to come here because there's a huge polish diaspora (yes the memes are real although my plumber is british) but it's no longer possible. 
+ 
+Pick you favourite northern european cunt and learn the language desu. Lots of people move to Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway etc. You can also move to Germany and be 2 hours drive from home. But choose wisely as you'll have to actually learn the language.
+--- 2439509
+>>2434059 (OP)
+>programmer
+>anime/games
+>4chan
+Incel bingo
+--- 2439520
+>>2435574
+>>2435586
+>>2435618
+The moment these kurwas accepted NATO and globohomo on its border it was fucking over. At least western europe got to experience the wealth associated with it, poland will bear all the inflation associated with the US empires money printing.
+--- 2439522
+>>2434059 (OP)
+Even the coomer green texts are less cringy than this post. Stay in your containment NATO globohomo shitting ground Andrezj, your people choose the mark of the beast. All of your women will turn into feminist whores who will destroy your birthrates, your men will turn into effiminate trannies or even more of the christ cuck simps who enable the whore women, and your nation will be flooded with all shades of mystery meats.
+--- 2439523
+>>2434321
+This mostly american tradcuck types who watch whatifalthist and Peter Zeihan. Even polfags realize Poland is on a fast track to globohomo similar to Ireland
+--- 2439526
+>>2434318
+>>2435574
+>>2438318
+Giving turd worlders access to the internet was a mistake. Go back to larping about how great and based your countries are on /pol/ and the eternal seething towards Russia you disgusting butthurt belt leeches
+--- 2439584
+>>2434059 (OP)
+Go visit Donbass, lots of Poles down there lately.

trv/2434133.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434133
+Badwater Basin, Death Valley, to the Pacific Ocean by any means necessary, as long as its by foot.
+400 Miles
+26 Days
+2 People
+New route, often no trail
+Desert. Mountains, Valley, Ocean
+Wilderness, Ghost Town, City, Military Bases
+Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wDIUD3UCPU [Embed] [Embed]
+What questions do you have?
+--- 2434142
+>>2434133 (OP)
+What season are you doing this in?
+--- 2434147
+>>2434142
+I did this last summer in May, it was very hot.
+--- 2434149
+>>2434147
+we left at 11pm and it was 103 degrees
+--- 2434278
+>>2434133 (OP)
+did people get mad at you
+--- 2434449
+>>2434278
+No, everyone was surprisingly very welcoming. I have harnessed my autism somewhat, such that I reflexively smile when I make eye contact with someone. I usually disarms people and I generally have pleasant interactions in life.
+>>2434420
+Whitney would have needed a permit and we didn't want to deal with that. We later heard there was no one checking permits up there last summer because the parks was low on staff, sucks I guess, but out goal wasn't Whitney or Langley, it was the ocean.
+He said high attitude sickness, it was a joke.
+--- 2434459
+>>2434133 (OP)
+Cool, well done ;)
+
+Those tarps on the cars isn't that to stop animals from getting in and eating hoses and the like.
+--- 2434468
+>>2434459
+Yeah, there was a section of the video where we surmised the same. Apparently the marmots will chew through wires to drink radiator fluid.
+--- 2434472
+>>2434468
+You are correct, noticed that you mentioned it shortly thereafter.
+
+Wait what, to drink radiator fluid O.o wtf
+
+Wouldn't that hurt them
+--- 2434479
+>>2434472
+Animals drink radiator fluid because it tastes sweet even though it’s poison.
+--- 2434484
+>>2434479
+Hmm, I had no idea.
+--- 2434748
+>>2434479
+>>2434484
+Do you guys ever want to try radiator fluid or lead or antifreeze some day? I think when I'm really old (so a little of something won't give me cancer forever from then) I want to taste a little of all those things. Just to know...
+--- 2437261
+>>2434133 (OP)
+good luck
+--- 2439659
+>>2434133 (OP)
+take water
+--- 2439697
+>>2434133 (OP)
+whoa bro you took a long walk that's so fucking hardcore

trv/2434245.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434245
+Going to Austin and San Antonio next week. Got any recs of places to go? Then seem like good places for random hole in the walls. Also I'm gonna see the bat bridge
+--- 2434246
+Also I'm used to Mexican food but are there and Tex Mex dishes that a worth trying (not fajitas)
+--- 2434265
+>>2434245 (OP)
+Austin has great bbq joints. Don't go to the meme ones and waste half a day waiting in line. Stiles and Switch was the best bbq I had there. Also, hole in the wall places Crow Bar is a great metal/dive bar.
+--- 2434526
+>>2434245 (OP)
+You should float the river in New Braunfels.
+
+As far as San Antonio, hit Alamo Cafe for Mexican food, Two Bros smokehouse for BBQ, the Missions are neato. The Riverwalk is hokey, but worth walking around a bit.
+--- 2434576
+Casino El Camino
+Micklethwait BBQ
+The Liberty
+--- 2434669
+>>2434245 (OP)
+Not really a hole in the wall, but the Pearl is nice enough to walk around in SA. I like the bakery there
+--- 2435282
+>>2434576
+I'm 100% hitting up Casino, is Micklethwait one I'll need to wait forever like franklin?
+--- 2435301
+I hear the chili's on lamar is good
+--- 2436349
+In San Antonio, visit Mission San Juan, go to El Mirasol at night for good food and drinks. Check out Taquitos West Avenue for some good street tacos (taquitos). You won't have a problem visiting if you only speak English.
+--- 2436352
+>>2434245 (OP)
+they got those public electric scooter things. taking on down congress avenue and ending at the texas capitol building is pretty cool. would recommend.
+--- 2436354
+>>2434245 (OP)
+Continental Club.
+--- 2438520
+>>2436352
+Definitely checking out the capital, want to see the UT tower too
+>>2436354
+Will check out anon
+--- 2439539
+>>2434526
+>>2436349
+Damn does SA have any good food downtown?

trv/2434271.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434271
+Looking at going from Australia in July. Obviously want to make it cost effective as much as possible so I can do more. Usually stop over is in Singapore, sometimes Tokyo by the looks. It’s a similar cost if I pick the right dates to book a multi city flight and stop in Singapore for a week etc.
+
+Is there another country in the region to Finland I should look at as my hub instead? (I would still need to go to Finland). What’s the best way to country hop the small countries over there? Rail looked expensive last I checked
+--- 2434275
+>>2434271 (OP)
+My nigga, you ever hear of a map? Just take the ferry to Estonia.
+--- 2434458
+>>2434271 (OP)
+>Is there another country in the region to Finland I should look at as my hub instead?
+
+Not really. The main airport is in Helsinki. 
+
+>What’s the best way to country hop the small countries over there?
+
+A ferry to Estonia is very cheap if you book it advance. 
+
+Finland is a very expensive country by all standards, so are you sure you want to come here?
+--- 2434773
+>>2434458
+It’s not really any different to Australia, probably cheaper. Put it another way, Tokyo was substamtially cheaper than Melbourne. Big Mac index is about the same
+--- 2434782
+>>2434271 (OP)
+lol this nigga met an interpals girl and is now DETERMINED to get over there
+--- 2434813
+>>2434782
+No, I have a wedding to go to. Hence I would like to do other stuff while there, Estonia was a good suggestion
+--- 2437276
+>>2434271 (OP)
+boats
+--- 2438632
+>>2434271 (OP)
+You can take the ferry to Sweden easily as well.
+--- 2439359
+>>2434271 (OP)
+Pretty much what everyone else has been saying. Ferries to Estonia and Sweden are reasonably cheap. 
+Helsinki has the most stuff to see but in July there are also quite a few music festivals happening all over the country so do a little googling and see if there is anything that catches your eye. Travelling inside the country is easy and cheap by train, just tends to take a bit of time since everything is so spread out
+--- 2439511
+>>2434813
+you can take a bus from either Helsinki or Tallinn to Saint Petersburg
+--- 2439536
+>>2439511
+>Saint Petersburg
+Not at this time with Putin in the lead.

trv/2434524.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434524
+He's the original china blogger. His travel docs about northern and southern china are very decent imo. And contrary to other bloggers in China, Winston actually has a good grasp of the chink society
+--- 2434551
+obnoxius autist who posts clickbait video that have no real content just to scoop that sweet sweet money
+--- 2434555
+>>2434551
+His OG vids are peak comfy and honest. I stopped watching because political analysis isn't his strong point; he and that muppet he vlogs with understand enough Chinese to be able to regurgitate headlines but they don't provide any real insight. The clickbait is really beneath him, but I guess he has to pay the bills somehow after his life in China fell apart and that's what it takes.
+LeLe Farley is my new gold standard for insightfulness and entertainment.
+--- 2434556
+>>2434524 (OP)
+>he's a blogger
+lol don't care can make my own adventures
+--- 2434557
+>>2434555
+yeah i agree, his OG videos are comfy af. honestly i would much rather prefer if he could continue travelling and make comments while his at it, his "matter of fact" style plays well with this sort of thing. doesnt have to be china, hell, even the us would do too
+--- 2434559
+>>2434556
+can you go to China and speak the gookspeak like he does?
+--- 2434564
+>>2434559
+Do I give a fuck?
+
+Who the fuck cares about seeking validation when you can just go enjoy yourself as you want because you want to.
+--- 2434566
+>>2434564
+You don't give a fuck because you are ignorant
+--- 2434567
+>>2434566
+>NOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO CARE AND LIKE WHAT I THINK IS COOL DUDE IF YOU DON'T UHHH U SUCK!!!!
+No one cares about your shitty advertising for a shitty blog, some dude goes to china big fucking deal.
+--- 2434573
+>>2434567
+calm down
+--- 2434577
+>Faggot loser bashes on a superior civilization because his homeland is fags, trannies and niggers.
+Whites are to East Asia as Muslims are to Europe it seems.
+--- 2434585
+>>2434555
+>I guess he has to pay the bills somehow after his life in China fell apart
+What do you mean? dOnT yoU knOw hIS wIFEs a DOCTOR??
+--- 2434590
+This thread is fucking gay
+--- 2434615
+Behind the clickbait titles, most of his actual content is really quite reasonable.
+--- 2434618
+>>2434555
+It was much better when he actually lived in China. I stopped watching shortly after he moved to America.
+
+Some of his Vietnam and Taiwan content is alright, though. Would be interesting to see him do India.
+--- 2434931
+>>2434615
+how reasonable are they
+--- 2434939
+Huge fan. Not of his content, but he does a great job triggering the 五毛 and 小粉红 here
+--- 2434956
+>>2434559
+He speaks it pretty badly desu. Like...terrible. 
+>t. Can speak it
+--- 2434960
+>>2434524 (OP)
+>"Anyone else China bad?"
+He's just a grifter at this point. Same with Ethan Klein and the game grump guy (not John, no now fatter one). 90% of people who do podcasts are grifters. It's easy money and they don't have to do any actual work. People need to stop listening to goycasts. I hate them so much.
+--- 2434967
+>>2434524 (OP)
+He gives 0 credit to China for the things China have accomplished, spends no time explaining how Chinese society functions outside his few bad experiences (no explanation of the political structure, for example). I'm not saying he should suck China's dick, but he could at least be slightly balanced to a country that gave him refuge for decades(?). 
+Some of his anecdotes interesting though and his early bike videos were cool. 
+There's a big difference between being annoyed at the Chinese state and a few unhinged psychos on the Chinese internet who misrepresented him, and indiscriminately trying to shit all over the CPC and the PRC at a time when the US is trying to rope countries into trade war and hot war with China.
+--- 2434991
+>>2434524 (OP)
+Obvious glowie.He was nothing when he came to China, he milked the country and got a doctor wife and a career out of it. 
+
+Now he is talking shit about the country that gave him everything because he is on the payroll of the US obviously. I don't care about talking shit about China, but you know he is full of shit everytime someone tell him about the crimes of the US in Iraq, Syria, Japan, Europe and he pretends it never happened. 
+
+Also, this kind of guy will never be faithfull to anything since he hates his home country South Africa, so of course he can shit on another country that gave him everything without a problem.
+
+That being said, the real cancer of the show is his closet gay friend.
+--- 2435012
+>>2434556
+this. 
+His insights are obvious and have absolutely no depth. 
+At least unlike most expats in China, his wife is not ugly and he actually got a decent wife even by chinese standards. 
+Unlike the other faggot with his chinese monkey, jesus christ, get some standards dude. 
+
+going to china next month anyway.
+--- 2435013
+>>2434931
+They appropriately convey what the State Department wants people to think.
+--- 2435022
+>>2435012
+>Unlike the other faggot with his chinese monkey, jesus christ, get some standards dude.
+C-Milk is the most obvious married gay guy*. 
+He tries to play the tough biker dude sometimes but it's even more ridiculous. He probably just needed a female to impregnate and who didn't care much about sex.
+
+(*on par with the "Mythical Morning" guy)
+--- 2435040
+Quite boring, stupid and le2edgy4me Reddit bros. He adds nothing new or interesting. Literally every half wit English teacher who used to flip burgers thinks the same shit he does, especially when they can't speak the local language.
+
+"XishouJian zai nali? See my YouTube viewers, that means where can I go to fuuuuck. And they always point you to the prostitutes every time. That's how poor they are here! What a country man, what a country! See that bao'an? Yeah that means he's the chef and he's getting the gutter oil. Can't believe it!"
+--- 2435058
+>>2434551
+>>2434555
+Is this the guy who obviously went to China to sex pat and seethes endlessly about it? And then he made a video acting like a cuck about their prostitution scene
+--- 2435062
+There is no way Laowhy isn't a homosexual.
+Who the fuck would willingly choose the ugliest girl they could find when you could get a 23 y/o Chinese qt easy.
+--- 2435070
+>>2434524 (OP)
+did everyone forget this guy is a massive weeb and couldnt cut it in japan so went to china? he made otaku magazine and then sold it. his wife was dating a chinese guy and winston swooped in and got the guys sloppy seconds.
+--- 2435076
+>>2435062
+>>2435022
+She seems legit nice in the vids tho. You'd have to have real strength of character to put up with being married to Beaker
+--- 2435077
+>>2435062
+To be quite honest, Westerners in China have really strange beauty standards. 
+I’d say 3/4 of them settled with ugly monkeys like your pic. And even worse quite often.
+--- 2435092
+>>2435013
+I love the State Department, have you been to DC? It's the best city ever and filled with friendly people who are very jolly at all times.
+You seem to imply that the state department is bad, but i have already pledged my allegiance so i would like to remind you to do that aswell
+--- 2435172
+>>2435092
+faggot
+--- 2435184
+>>2435172
+NTA but you must be ESL and alien in the earthly sense not to recognize the satire.
+--- 2435222
+>>2434577
+He's great and makes chinks seethe endlessly.
+--- 2435233
+>>2435092
+>>2435184
+>>2435172
+(You)
+--- 2435234
+>>2434991
+South Africa is a shithole, he has every right to hate on it
+--- 2435403
+>>2435222
+What a chad ;)
+--- 2435539
+>>2434524 (OP)
+The big problem with Winston is that he never really sold well defined content in his channel. It went from him posting random shit about China in the days of old, to looking at interesting stuff while sharing his experiences, to doing social commentary about chinese stereotypes, and finally doing whatever the fuck he currently does with matt after leaving China.
+It makes sense financially because every switch correlates with an inability to pursue his former formula (he's pretty much done every interesting shit there is China so he switched to social commentary, and when he left China he switched to covering news about the CCP since he couldn't legitimately talk about the ins and outs of China without being in it).
+The transitions were never smooth, which is why people hated on him. Chinese people actually liked his first arc the same way indians watched and shilled Karl Rock. But when he started doing a stereotyped analysis of the chinks, they started getting annoyed. Now everyone from his time in China isn't interested much in what he produces now since it has literally nothing to do with life in China anymore.
+
+In a nutshell Winston is pretty frustrating, but he didn't have much of a choice in terms of evolution. He had to renew himself depending on the context he was in. 
+This being said, you can feel the absolute disdain he has for locals.
+--- 2435576
+>>2435539
+Matter of the fact is, I can understand why some people may find my content frustrating and the transitions not so smooth. 
+I do try to evolve and adapt to new situations and challenges. When I first started my channel, I was simply sharing my experiences living in China and exploring the country. As time went on, I felt the need to address some of the stereotypes and misconceptions that people had about China, and to provide my own commentary on its difficulties.
+
+And when I left China and moved on, it was inevitable that some of my audience who were mainly interested in the In-China-related content would lose interest. But I believe that it's important to keep exploring new topics and to challenge myself creatively.
+
+I do understand that my content may not be for everyone, and that's okay. I appreciate the support of those who have followed me over the years, and I'm always open to feedback and suggestions for new content. At the end of the day, I'm just a guy who loves motorcycles, filmmaking, and exploring new cultures.
+Stay awesome
+--- 2435607
+>>2435539
+fair analysis of his channel. most youtubers have no plan for content and hit a point of struggle to do anything because they are largely boring and do boring shit. they all trend towards reddit tier topics like fake markets, hottest food, something "shady" and so they all make the same videos after a while. it must be tricky to put out a video once a week or every two weeks but that's the job to get youtube shekels. 
+having been a china expat too for longer than winston was, he was the type of guy you'd avoid in the bar because he was at the end of the day lame as fuck and you don't want to listen to his bullshit. he was condescending.
+
+>>2435576
+at the end of the day no one wants to listen to your stories because you are lame.
+--- 2435654
+>>2435077
+White people in China fuck some of the ugliest girls. There is a reason all the locals say they like ugly girls.
+--- 2435656
+>>2435607
+Im currently in China and making videos. My plan is to just make up shit and make it seem much seedier than it is lol. Westoids believe the dumbest shit so no one will ever really call me out and anyone who does will be called a CCP shillby my fans. After I get the views I'll come out and say it was all (mostly) bullshit.
+--- 2435663
+>>2435576
+Quit wearing your cheap suits all the time to feel important, you're fooling nobody
+--- 2435694
+>>2434524 (OP)
+His pod came out at the perfect time when people were both thirsty for online content and information about who started the flu. Overall, I think his and milk's show is fine, they actually pull relevant clips and understand the language so it seems legitmate. Plus they try to include more lighthearted stuff that allows them to avoid being a completely unhinged political show. 
+
+I used to watch the pro-china guys to get some nuance but they've all slowly either stopped uploading or left the country. It's fucking weird seeing the exodus of white people, but now that the pandemic is over maybe something fresh will come out. Shanghai looks cool but whenever I see travel vlogs of what to do there it's just people going from one cafe to another.
+--- 2435727
+>>2435539
+Wrong. Winston never had to stop doing stuff like he initially did. Finding cities to visit, showing places and foods, or even simply not resorting to the classic "Are Chinese women HEARTLESS ?" type of clickbait. 
+
+Abroad in Japan managed to do this exact thing and so did Karl Rock. The result ? They don't have people making websites about them. Were they not acting like crazy cunts they'd still be in China shilling it as we speak.
+--- 2435774
+>>2435694
+Look up Jabiertzo
+--- 2435779
+>>2434524 (OP)
+Walmart value brand version of Jason statham
+--- 2435792
+>>2434555
+this, which is true for pretty much all travel vloggers being honest
+even Chris Broad was tolerable in his earlier videos
+modern Youtube makes it so all videos made in the last ~7 years are cringe clickbait "Top 10 things you WONT BELIEVE" bullshit that's 2min of content stretched over 15min of heavily-edited drone footage
+--- 2435868
+>>2434559
+Neither him nor cmilk can speak Chinese for shit
+--- 2435871
+>>2435868
+Wrong. They speak better Mandarin than I do and I'm Singaporean (not a Jeet or Malay)
+--- 2435890
+I actually liked Winston and Matt/C-Milk before they sold out to Falun Gong.
+And let me be clear, I hate the Chinese government, in fact I hate them even more than the Falun Gong. I simply don't believe that the enemy of your enemy is necessarily your friend, and I will not support cults. I know that the CCP has wumaos, but I swear the FG have their own sort of wumaos too; almost every time I talk shit about them, someone comes out of the woodwork to defend them.
+--- 2435899
+>>2434555
+>LeLe Farley
+
+went to look and that guy is making 1 million views a day on his last video WTF
+--- 2435913
+>>2434524 (OP)
+he triggers the CCP on the daily and that's good enough for me
+--- 2435918
+>>2435890
+Falun Gong is absolutely retarded. As if anyone can tell chinks apart, retards are promoting hatred against themselves. Not really much different than the average libtard, really.
+--- 2435927
+>>2435918
+all anti-seeseepee influencers are libshits who unironically believe in the boomer con paradigm of muh freedumbs, muh human rights
+--- 2435928
+>>2435694
+There's that spineless limey @JasonLivinginChina who just did 2 vids in Xinjiang which seems to be the new rite of passage for CCP cocksucker bloggers
+--- 2435934
+>>2434555
+CCP shill out in full force I see
+--- 2435982
+>>2434960
+Techlead is that you? Konnichwa dude
+--- 2435984
+pre 2017 he was AMAZING!!!
+post 2017 he is a doomer gooberbitch
+--- 2435995
+>>2435890
+
+What are you on about, they never sold out to falun gong. Winston himself made a piece about the whole shen yun thing. 
+ 
+
+Even then, the support they have for them is absolutely non existent bar a few mentions of organ harvesting. Muddying the waters and making it as if they were shilling the fucking falun gong on the daily is a typical tankie tactic to make them look bad.
+--- 2435998
+>falun gong.
+
+The fuck is that
+--- 2436008
+>>2435890
+>Go on YouTube
+>YouTube shills me a channel with like 300 subs
+>It's an anti-China channel 
+>50 videos all with great production quality and editing with like 100 views on average 
+Pretty sure I found a Falun gong channel in the wild. I wonder if they pay YouTube to shill them.
+--- 2436009
+>>2435928
+Tbf anyone can travel to Xinjiang now so we will be seeing how truthful they are when more vloggers go there.
+--- 2436019
+>>2435998
+It's Chinese scientology. They seethe because they got kicked out by China and are now they are funded by the CIA to promote anti-China propaganda. It's where the organ harvesting stuff comes from.
+--- 2436132
+>>2436019
+>Scientology
+The fuck is that?
+People who love science?
+--- 2436134
+>>2436019
+>CIA pays two (2) youtubers to talk about shit they already talk about
+
+The CIA barely fucking funds its own departments. Why the fuck should we bother with nobodies when literally every news outlet is shitting on China ?
+--- 2436150
+i think it's pretty hard to fuck up in china as a white guy to the point where they run you out of the country. and he managed to do exactly that, so... yeah.
+--- 2436157
+>>2436150
+easy if you got 'tegrity
+--- 2436211
+>>2436150
+>They run you out of the country 
+>China managed to do just that 
+Stop believing his retarded larp stories. God I can't believe people are stupid enough to believe his shit. No wonder this anon >>2435656 is so confident he can make shit up. Maybe I should do the same. Make videos about non-existent triads and cock fighting rings.
+--- 2436213
+>>2435871
+You're either larping or their mandarin has improved tremendously since I last watched him. Can you show a video of them speaking mandarin recently? Previously his Chinese was at Peggy Hill levels of Spanish. 
+I'm not sure about the twink. Never heard him speak Chinese but I'll assume it's bad too as birds of a feather....
+--- 2436219
+>>2436213
+Nta but I did. Winston gets by and is understood in most situations where he needs to communicate in chinese, such as getting a suit, reading street graffitis and whatnot. That puts him at HSK4 by my personal experience. Matt is slightly better it seems but i believe they're both on that level at most.
+
+So yeah, neither are on the level of bilingual types Farley or Rehage, or even Gago. But that doesn't mean they're fucking clueless, and the stuff they comment on isn't ancient Chinese literature.
+--- 2436221
+>>2436219
+>Live in China for 10 years
+>HSK 4 
+That's really bad senpai.
+--- 2436242
+>>2436221
+It's bad if your life depends on it. For a guy who probably mostly hangs out with other expats, teaches english and/or makes youtube videos for a living, that's all you need.
+--- 2436338
+>>2436134
+You are taking it a little too literally
+--- 2436343
+>>2436008
+china uncensored and all those other clickbait shit channels are all falun gong
+
+And of course Epoch Times. funny how under Trump and Pompeo, they almost took over the state department, RFA, voice of america and more.
+
+That shows you just how retarded things can get in America.
+--- 2436554
+>>2436219
+>>2436242
+He sells himself as a China expert. Of course it's terrible. He can't even read a newspaper not understand it.
+--- 2436563
+>>2436554
+He lived there for over a decade. He's more of an expert on China than anyone else ITT 
+>NOOO his chinese is... LE BAD
+on the ground experience is what matters
+--- 2436571
+>>2436563
+That's like saying Jorge from Home Depot is an expert on the US.
+--- 2436575
+>>2436571
+--- 2436577
+>>2436571
+Jorge is a good guy, don't diss him
+--- 2436583
+>>2436563
+>Mfw HSK 6 
+>Mfw I lived there for 8 years
+>Mfw I don't have to lie about my experiences
+>Mfw I did more than just English teaching in China
+>Mfw going back this month 
+>Mfw my mandarin doesn't sound like a toddlers babble speak
+>Mfw I've been to practically every province in China (except Tibet, IM, HLJ and Yunnan).
+Pretty sure I'm a bigger expert.
+--- 2436584
+>>2436571
+Kek. This is the American equivalent to English teachers isn't it?
+--- 2436633
+>>2436583
+>Mfw no face
+>You made all that shit up
+Lmao
+--- 2436638
+>>2436583
+Larp
+--- 2436640
+Winston has a family now and needs to put food on the table. Go easy on him, he's simply trying to make a living.
+--- 2436701
+Why are these youtubers popular?
+If you don't like China and yet you want to watch videos about the chinks 24/7. Why would you watch some idiot like this?
+It has to be an inferiority complex.
+--- 2436704
+>>2436640
+He couldn't get a white woman lmfao, had to resort to racemixing. Failure of a white man raising chink CCP spy half breeds.
+--- 2436758
+>>2436704
+Winston himself is a result of race mixing. Matter of fact, Caucasians are a product of racemixing between homo sapiens and neanderthals. Now kys racist mutt, you are shit compared to a Kang like me
+--- 2436761
+>>2436758
+Yes, race mixing between neanderthals and whites gave whites higher IQs and larger brains. Neanderthals were smarter, stronger, and better adapted to the cold than the nigger homo sapiens. We inherited their genes, making us superior to niggers and chinks. Whites are the protagonists of world history.
+--- 2436762
+>>2435871
+That says more about you than them, anon. Probably because Singaporeans fail to become native in either Mandarin or English and always sound like total retards
+--- 2436788
+>>2436640
+He has IT certifications and work experience, he doesn't need to make money as a grifter, he just chooses to
+--- 2436794
+>>2436761
+Neanderthals are monkeys
+--- 2436797
+>>2436794
+Neanderthals look far closer to the modern white than the chimp homo erectus. Neanderthals have been inaccurately portrayed in the past, the ape like appearance comes from a skeleton that had skeletal disease and was the mistake was never fixed. Different human races have different ancestry and blacks may as well be a different species altogether. It is just political correctness in the modern age. Europeans knew this truth before WW2.
+--- 2436815
+>>2436761
+Whites have IQs lower than chinks or jews. But at least whites know their place
+--- 2436816
+>>2436815
+>Chinks
+>Higher IQs
+Tests done on Chinese outside of the main cities gives them an IQ of 88 or so.
+--- 2436818
+>>2436816
+>>2436815
+>>2436797
+>>2436794
+>>2436762
+>>2436761
+他妈的种族歧视的黑鬼们
+--- 2436840
+>>2436818
+新加坡是国籍不是种族 我说新加坡人是智障我可没种族歧视啊
+--- 2436905
+>>2436840
+You native chink or something? Doesn't look like a translation
+--- 2436907
+>>2436818
+>>2436840
+lmfao at the wumao.
+CHING CHONG BING BONG
+How do I order Teriyaki?
+--- 2436924
+>>2436905
+I am an expat in China who is fluent in Chinese, UNLIKE Winston/Cmilk and, apparently, Singaporeans
+--- 2437056
+>>2436815
+chinks are notorious for cheating on tests lol
+those in mainland are bugmen they have no morals
+--- 2437215
+>>2436924
+i refuse to believe that youre an expat, i looked those words up and expats do not use them. I am 100% certain that you are just a chink larping. Also your timezone doesnt add up with China so theres that too, guessing that you are one of those "Canadians" or something like that
+--- 2437231
+>>2437215
+kek whatever retard
+--- 2437233
+Thread got infested with Chinese people seething. 
+Holy, all the world is shitting on you, Winston doesn't even need to try.
+
+Dude doesn't make crazy analysis, but it's ok to listen to the podcasts. I did like more the travels of course. 
+
+You Chinese should really cut ties with the CCP, they're ruining your land completely. 
+
+And you all sound like retards insulting their wives... What next? Insulting their mom? Are you in kindergarten?
+--- 2437235
+>>2436907
+ 你好!我要猫肉铁板!请加一点地沟油!
+--- 2437248
+>>2436219
+Matt's Chinese is significantly better than Winston's.
+--- 2437268
+>>2437235
+tha wou be 9 dorra prease
+have a lice day anon, sanks and roodbye
+--- 2437311
+>>2437233
+>thread is filled with Chinese people seething
+>says the guy with the least coherent English in the thread
+--- 2437326
+>>2437311
+kek
+don't blame the mutt for low iq
+--- 2437327
+>>2437233
+This is some of the most obvious reddit posting I've ever seen here.
+--- 2437329
+>>2435871
+This is a larp as Winstons mandarin is dog shit.
+--- 2437333
+He has good insights on news / propaganda coming out of China with his new content.
+Seems like he will slowly fade into irrelavance though since he can't go to China anymore. 
+
+Also lol on the high IQ. Well with a billion people naturally they will statistically have more high IQ people. But with all the cheating and corruption, can you really rely on those self-reported stats? lol 
+Name one thing China invented in the last century. They couldn't even make ballpoint pens until the last decade because they didn't have the resources or accurate machinery to make the little metal ball inside the point. All they can do is copy now, and Chinese society doesn't promote free thought or thinking outside the box.
+--- 2437334
+>>2435403
+
+she married way the fuck down.
+--- 2437339
+>>2437334
+She is probably a low value female in her community.
+Marrying a balding man who hates chinks and any future hapa children they may have also is a telltale sign she is retarded.
+Retarded chink women + yellow fever fetish racist male is how you get Elliot Rogers offspring.
+--- 2437341
+>>2437339
+another seething chang
+
+honestly, this shitty thread making all the wumaos swarming out of the woodwork, thanks a lot OP
+--- 2437342
+>>2437341
+Just because we think you're a faggot doesn't mean we like the CCP, Winston
+--- 2437343
+>>2437339
+love the aznsupremacy incels that get angry
+--- 2437344
+>>2437342
+why are chink men so insecure
+--- 2437346
+>>2437341
+>Wumao cries the boomer as his wife is getting railed by Tyrone
+Stop acting uppity and remember to kneel before your gods.
+--- 2437348
+>>2437346
+ESL
+--- 2437350
+>>2437344
+because they want white western women for some reason but it isn't reciprocated. so they get angry when a white man gets with a pretty girl of their race that they had no chance with regardless
+--- 2437351
+>>2437348
+Projection garbage from a pajeet/boomer.
+Why would I as a white man want to race mix with a chink woman? I want children that are like me physically and mentally. Serpentza is a faggot that couldn't get a white woman, just like all you yellow fever faggots.
+--- 2437353
+>>2437351
+>want
+for you aint gonna have it
+--- 2437354
+>>2437353
+lmfao you are an incel. 
+Obsessed with China because no woman wants you. Every Asian country is filled with these fetishists but they can only get prostitutes. Must suck to be a subhuman/ugly incel.
+--- 2437360
+>>2437354
+kek
+seethe more
+--- 2437362
+Also the simple rule is that chad is a chad anywhere.
+Incels are always incels.
+That's why the anti-China shills are ugly, balding, or a no-eyebrows male prostitute mfers like laowhy. They resort to low value post-wall women (in China it's 25) that no one else wants.
+It's because anti-China are mad they can't get laid. I CAN'T BREED as they say.
+--- 2437366
+Winston, if you're in this thread, I want you to know that I genuinely enjoyed your original videos and they made me excited to move to China. I can overlook the 'I train doctors' bit. I can appreciate that your home country is a nigger-overrun train-wreck and therefore I dont judge that you not only took refuge in China but also sold your SOVL to Fujianese boomers and whatever other coalition of looney diaspora comprise the 'dissident' network that made it possible for you to live in America. I think it's awesome that you REALIZED your classic China-rookie mistake with beer girl and upgraded to Sasha, who is legitimately good looking, unlike most the low caste monkey wives most Whites take.
+
+I really have nothing against you except that your content since you left China sucks. Thats it. 100% of foreigners who don't actively live in China have nothing but inane bullshit to say about it. Same is true for 90% of even those who DO live there, and I think you USED to be part of the small 10%.
+
+Stay awesome
+--- 2437375
+>>2437366
+very, very nice write up Anon. I might have been able to say it better myself, but I didn't, so thank you for taking on the task yourself.
+
+>classic China-rookie mistake with beer girl and upgraded to Sasha
+beer girl was sexy, just empty headed. You can tell sasha's not that way (at least not as clueless to her surroundings) but struggles with speaking English
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=02iBuOWeMAU [Embed]
+--- 2437393
+>>2437215
+Or a simpler explanation : he uses chat gpt
+--- 2437394
+>>2437334
+She's a divorcee
+Winston said it himself, you're not getting girls of that caliber that arent damaged goods.
+--- 2437407
+I do wish I was able to visit the early 2000s China, when China was a disorganized SHITHOLE
+Modern China is too wealthy, clean and advanced. Boring, expensive and sterile just like visiting Europe.
+I'd rather go to India instead or something at this point.
+--- 2437412
+>>2437407
+>china
+>clean
+2/10 got me to respond
+--- 2437415
+>>2437412
+lmfao boomer shill modern China is just a big modern version of Japan
+And just like Japan its BORING
+You can only post the same 3 photos over and over.
+I hated visiting Shanghai because it felt like a giant shopping mall. Now all of China is becoming like this.
+At least the niggers in the USA keep things interesting
+https://youtu.be/mB70MCgIcZI?t=1 [Embed]
+--- 2437425
+>I went to Europe and I found McDonalds, Wal-Mart and globohomo shopping malls
+>I went to the USA and I found McDonalds, Wal-Mart and globohomo shopping malls
+>I went to China and I found McDonalds, Wal-Mart and globohomo shopping malls.
+>I went to Thailand and I found McDonalds, Wal-Mart and globohomo shopping malls.
+God the world is turning into such a sterilized Jewish shithole.
+Everyone wants to believe countries like China or Russia are some dystopias because it's more exciting than the reality that everywhere is the same and cultures are merging into one big LGBTQIA2+ blob
+Even Bangkok has entire shopping mall districts for tourists these days (and looks the same as Canada, USA or Germany)
+--- 2437430
+>>2437393
+Nah man, chatGPT cant write like that, it looks too authentic. Also I just tried and no chatGPT cant generate what he wrote
+--- 2437432
+>>2437407
+Have you even been to china retard
+--- 2437435
+>>2437432
+Have you?
+Maybe actually look at the China videos, and you will see it's an alternate Japan.
+https://youtu.be/CNeZOe3169E?t=2819 [Embed]
+Cultureless, boring shopping mall country like every Western shithole. Travelling between cities used to mean taking shitty taxis with shady drivers, rundown soviet trains, getting pedo buses. Now it just means paying for a HSR ticket.
+I had way more fun in the Philippines than China precisely because the Philippines is a shitshow.
+Mutts would rather put their hands in their ears and cry over China's development. 
+I'm complaining because travelling is pointless in this globohomo planet.
+If you visited Des Moines, Iowa you've seen 90% of the planet in 2023.
+--- 2437437
+>>2437393
+>>2437430
+Or an even simpler explanation: I'm just actually fluent in Chinese like I said I was, you fucking retards
+--- 2437454
+>>2437334
+Typically when you see an Asian woman with white man it's because the woman is or used to be prostitute. In Asia, that's always the assumption, whether you are in Thailand, China or Japan.
+
+Of course in America it might be a different story.
+--- 2437465
+Say something else
+--- 2437474
+>>2437435
+You're misguided, anon.
+I've traveled to most places in China, and i could tell you that Winston is basically right.
+
+The big cities are just filled with samey commie blocks and globohomo malls, sprinkled with more rundown OG commie blocks in the city center. Other than Beijing, most of them have no historical architecture left(the ones you rarely see are reconstructed and feel really cheap and artificial), somewhat similar to what we have here in the states.
+
+However the countryside is still frozen in time, if you give the effort, you'll find tons of perfectly preserved forts and ancient shit laying around. Completely untouched by tourists.
+Probably could even grab some antique for cheap too cause the peasants don't know any better.
+
+Avoid the popular attractions that all the normies flock to and you'll have a comfy time, oh and keep in mind don't take pictures of anything funny or else the cops will get mad
+--- 2437508
+>Cities are soulless shopping malls
+>Government is authoritarian and will control your phone and search history
+>No culture except consumerism
+>Filled with pollution
+Is there a single reason to visit China?
+--- 2437524
+>>2437508
+Why do you describe the US and then ask about China?
+--- 2437527
+>>2437334
+She's a divorcee which is a huge mark of shame in China. Also Winston isn't that bad looking, sure the dude is bald but I'd say between him and Matt he's definitely the better looking. Matt's haircuts in China were ridiculously bad and he's only recently got a good look going on.
+--- 2437569
+>>2437524
+oh what, well that's a bit embarrassing, you're right. I can't say anything bad about China without it also being applicable to the US. Your brief but significant comment has made an imprint on my worldview. Thank you
+--- 2437572
+>>2437524
+Can't even deny the fact that China is a polluted soulless shithole.
+--- 2437601
+>>2437572
+Kind of like your trailer park
+--- 2437611
+>>2437569
+kek
+--- 2437612
+>>2437601
+Why you dickriding China so bad?
+--- 2437613
+>>2437601
+Imagine being the color of piss. Small dick, slit eyed, all your woman want to bounce on white cock, and your homelands are shitholes lmfao
+--- 2437623
+There's a lot of 12 year old edge lords from pol in this thread. Glad god China exists to live rent free in their heads.
+--- 2437628
+>>2437623
+>Point out what a shithole China is
+>W-What about A-America
+>Can't even deny the fact that China is a vile soulless polluted dump
+Seems like America lives rent free in your head, especially since you had to leave Chinkland because it's so shit.
+--- 2437630
+>>2437628
+Posting photos of a couple of industrial cities and claiming the entire country is like that is peak 80iq polbrain.
+--- 2437643
+>>2437630
+>China's not a shithole
+>Only 99.9% of China is shit
+--- 2437725
+>>2437623
+Have you been on /pol/ lately? It's literally been taken over by BRICS niggers. If you're pro-china, you'll fit right in there lol
+--- 2437751
+>>2434524 (OP)
+He makes Chinese seethe because he voices his legitimate criticisms about their government and at the same time gets model tier Chinese pussy
+--- 2437753
+>>2436583
+>Trust a random Anon on the internet or trust a guy who has self evidently lived in China for a good portion of his life
+Hmmmmm
+--- 2437756
+Well I for one admire the CCP.
+I just hate chinks
+--- 2437762
+>>2437725
+>Pol
+>Pro China
+We must on two completely different websites....
+--- 2437764
+>>2437628
+And yet here you are seething about China.
+--- 2437766
+>>2437508
+>Excluding the pollution bit that's essentially just the US.
+--- 2437767
+>>2437725
+This site is filled with Wumao.
+Mostly chink diaspora living in Australia, Canada.
+They had to flee their own countries because it is a shithole.
+They also have tons of time online because their women's love of BWC has left them incels.
+--- 2437768
+>>2437474
+Tbf most historical architecture you see in East Asia (yes even your beloved Japan) and Europe are reconstructions due to war, fires, earthquakes and retarded economic policies. Korea is the worst example.
+--- 2437769
+>>2437762
+lol he is not wrong, /pol/ is full of 3rd worlders that shill for russia and china, go and check for yourself
+--- 2437776
+>>2437425
+If you don't want McDonald's, WalMart and globohomo shopping centers go to Iran or maybe even Russia (lots of Jewish companies left). Vietnam has surprisingly few American restaurant chains. Even Starbucks is hard to find. 
+With that said the menus and items sold in a Chinese and American McDonald's, Walmart and most shopping centers are vastly different. It's it like visiting America and Canada. Shit is different. Also there is the whole culture and city infrastructure which is completely different. Chinese metros and city safety are 100% better than the US. American hospitals, safety regulations and educational institutions on the other hand are much better than Chinas.
+--- 2437778
+>>2437362
+No. White people in Asia just have EXTREMELY low standards. I've seen them fuck the ugliest Shrek's and brag about it. If they actually put some effort they could bang some 10/10s but you almost never see that shit.
+--- 2437782
+>>2436907
+It's extremely obvious that it's google translate. 
+>t. HSKfag
+>>2435871
+>I'm Singaporean 
+No you aren't. If you were you would know his Chinese is terrible.
+--- 2437796
+>>2437782
+Google translate never use 啊 you stupid retard
+--- 2437817
+>>2437796
+Pretty sure hes referring to this comment >>2436818 which to anyone who can speak the language competently is obvious not a native speaker or translation software.
+--- 2437821
+>no you can't speak about china if you didn't get your hsk lvl89 !!!!!
+
+Fucking retards. Winston isn't doing literature pieces or commenting Chinese culture in depth. Pretty much everything he does is slice of life shit as a foreigner.
+Even if you are interested in Chinese and are planning to learn that shit well, chances are you'll still be at winston levels for at least a year and probably more. 
+
+If you fuckers weren't just driven by spite you would actually point out the things he says that would be objectively false. You'd rather huff and puff and pretend you didn't watch a single video (yet you've watched enough videos to assess his chinese level, interesting) and gatekeep China to whatever hsk level you conveniently are at, just like the fucking weebs who have to brag about their JLPT since it's their only "marketable" skill. As if speaking Japanese was the only thing you ever needed to land a real job in Japan.
+--- 2437824
+The fuck is the point in learning chink. Every expat to China hates the country and is bitter about their experience. Not to mention foreigners will be booted from China soon due to tensions with the USA. 
+I have yet to see a genuine non-shill ever say anything positive about the shithole that is China
+--- 2437825
+>>2437796
+And that's supposed to be the hallmark of a fucking hsk6 ? Literally the thing that even the most retarded and illiterate taiwanese expat sprinkles on his sentence to sound more polite ? You people are lost.
+--- 2437831
+>>2435694
+There's a reason we left. People who wanted nothing to do with politics and just wanted azn street meat were getting letters and shit from the CCP just for being foreigners. It really did feel like they were breathing down your neck and watching you despite being some fucking literal nobody. China is suffocating for a local because you really have no freedoms, like if taxes rise on your house you can't do jack shit to complain about it and try to negotiate a lower price even by a few hundred bucks. But for a gweilo we know we can just fuck off back to our home country whenever we want, so it wasn't actually suffocating for us, it was just fun. Some years before covid and obviously during covid shit began hitting the fan and it got really uncomfortable. It felt like you had to be pro CCP and NOTHING else, or leave. Like it felt like they were gonna start calling me to show up at chink government buildings or something to prove my loyalties. Sometimes they make locals go somewhere for seemingly no reason. It has always been uncomfortable. I barely knew chink and still don't anyway so I especially felt I needed to fuck off.
+--- 2437835
+>>2437782
+Even Chinese Singaporeans are increasingly poor at Chinese though. It’s an English speaking country now.
+--- 2437874
+>>2437831
+>We left
+>People who wanted nothing to do with politics and just wanted azn street meat were getting letters and shit from the CCP just for being foreigners
+
+You never left nigga, stfu. You never were there in the first place. Nobody ever received any fucking letters. A lot of people were fired from jobs that were mostly non essential during Covid, sure, but that's it. The LARP has to stop. 
+
+Nobody ever bothers foreigners about ccp politics unless you were actively trying to spark a discussion about this shit, and everybody here knows it's a big nono. 
+
+Even the two fucks knew better than to shit on the CCP until way after they left. 
+
+The only fun people had before 2010 was the fun of living in and exploiting an unregulated third world country. You want to relive that again, go to poorer provinces like Sichuan, or better yet, click your heels three time and go back to Africa where you belong.
+--- 2437882
+>>2437831
+>were getting letters and shit from the CCP just for being foreigners
+wtf are you talking about?
+--- 2437901
+>>2437825
+Deeper analysis:
+>新加坡是国籍不是种族 我说新加坡人是智障我可没种族歧视啊
+
+1. This fag knows to not use a verb after 我可没 just like the chinks do albeit not technically correct.
+2. Nobody other than zoomer chinks use the word 智障, or maybe he translated it from the word from retard, but that conflicts with the Grammar not being correct
+--- 2437906
+>>2437782
+我的中文是非常好,不过温斯顿的中文是更好
+智障外国五毛,为什么你这么笨,该吃药了甜心
+--- 2437947
+>>2437906
+我可以这个大部分啊。高兴了
+--- 2437950
+>>2437947
+大声笑你真是个智障
+--- 2437955
+Him and Laowhy got me into China and I ended up living there for one year in 2017. Best experience in my life. Shame I didn't have any money for a camera. But I ended up getting a gopro in 2022 an started a youtube channel myself.
+
+This is how cool they were back in the day. I don't watch their videos now because I prefer travel vlogs to thinkpieces, but their vlogs in China were some of the best stuff you'd find in Youtube.
+
+Not too professional like the trzvel documentary wannabes, but great for youtube quality.
+
+Hope they are doing fine wherever they are, and if they are lurking here, thank you for showing me the way to adventure.
+
+(shameless plug : https://youtu.be/io053lgekrQ) [Embed]
+--- 2437957
+>>2437950
+黑! 我是式,但是中文是很难 TT
+--- 2437993
+>>2437901
+I am that poster. Im not sure why its so difficult to believe that I wrote that without translation software. Evidently I’m not the only person in the thread with Chinese ability based on your post. And desu I had no clue 智障 is a zoomer specific word, assuming thats true. I just use that or 脑残 to call people retards
+--- 2437994
+>>2437955
+Shalom, Salam alaikum
+--- 2438033
+>>2437906
+Wait are you the Singaporean? lmfao way to prove my point
+
+我们白人都知道Winston的中文很垃圾你还非要说比你好,行,那只能说明你的中文水准非常低。傻逼新加坡人一个语言都搞不好别搁这儿和我们发脾气。人家说你傻就得是五毛了?呵呵 我肏你妈了个烂逼
+--- 2438042
+>>2437628
+>>2437725
+Deliciously Triggered.
+
+How about you chinless knob gobblers get the fuck off my board and go cry about it on pol.
+--- 2438052
+>>2437831
+Is this schizo posting?
+--- 2438054
+>>2437906
+This is really bad Chinese....
+--- 2438066
+>>2438042
+How about you make another Dalai Lama thread on /pol/, 小粉红?I think there are only 15 or 20 threads about him there at the moment
+--- 2438128
+ching chong shills don't even hide it
+spamming in their disgusting language
+the chinese are animals. they spit, piss, shove and shit everywhere.
+I don't know why anyone would want to go to a country with such horrible people
+Chinese are a burden on humanity and all should be deported
+--- 2438139
+I studied Chinese.
+The more I got fluent in Chinese the more I realized I hated China and the Chinese. They are a soulless money hungry ant people. Should not really be considered "human". So it is not really surprising that expats to China don't speak Chinese. They realize they moved to a morally and spiritually bankrupt nation that worships an authoritarian regime.
+--- 2438148
+>>2434524 (OP)
+Does he have any other decent videos aside from that hour documentary he did last year?
+All of his recent videos look like cringe clickbait shit
+--- 2438193
+>>2438139
+Odd. I was the complete opposite. Absolutely despised the place until I learned to speak it.
+--- 2438196
+>>2438139
+This anon gets it
+--- 2438201
+>>2438033
+我的中文是不好,我知道。但是deal with it
+因为我不需要在新加坡里用中文,英语是我用的
+
+你的中文100%代表你是支那国人或者是个五毛
+虽然我的中文是不好,但是我懂你是支那国人(或者identify)
+>>2438054
+:(
+--- 2438213
+>>2438201
+Hey stupid Sinkie, I'm a white guy who lives in China, but thank you for validating that my Chinese is native-tier. I don't blame overseas Chinese for hating Mainlanders, but at the end of the day YOU are STILL a 支那人 in your BLOOD, except that you can neither properly speak your own language OR English. At least Hong Kongers and Taiwanese have some coherent non-Mainland Chinese identity.
+--- 2438216
+>>2438213
+why are you awake if you live in China?
+--- 2438217
+>>2438216
+Because Im not in China. I am visiting my family in the US. China is range banned you can't post from there to begin with Im pretty sure
+--- 2438218
+>>2438213
+got a question for you, what do the numbers 106 105 say?
+--- 2438224
+>>2438218
+No clue what you're trying to ask
+--- 2438225
+>>2438224
+106v105
+do these numbers mean anything to you
+--- 2438226
+>>2438225
+No
+--- 2438228
+>>2438225
+has to do with japs
+--- 2438229
+>>2438228
+Never heard of it but after searching it looks like some rape of Nanjing thing? Is that what you're getting at?
+--- 2438255
+When was the shift from good to bad?
+It's obviously when they went from "I Remember U" to "I'm a dude" as their theme song, in hindsight that's when the vibe changed for me.
+--- 2438262
+>>2436219
+HSK 2.0 level 4 or HSK 3.0 level 4?
+They made the test harder a bit ago, so I want to know how much I should laugh
+--- 2438264
+Name one good thing about China wumao.
+One good thing.
+Asides from the fact that your women are whores for BWC. Everyone already knows this
+--- 2438384
+>>2434524 (OP)
+Autistic and racist. Said South Africa sucked now bc apartheid isn't around anymore. Wears a fucking suit everywhere to "dress for the job you want" rather than the one you have. The one he has is that of a western propagandist shill and bum who probably makes under thirty thousand dollars a year on youtube lmao.
+--- 2438398
+>>2434991
+>since he hates his home country South Africa
+shut the fuck up you grandstanding retard, you don't know anything
+t. South African
+--- 2438506
+I can see how a channel like winston's must've been an absolute goldmine before say, 2015. Especially when smartphones weren't literal omnipotent and omniscient gods.
+Not only that, but china is really third-world in many aspects, a lot of good stuff and amenities you can find is on a word of mouth basis. This is even more true for China due to the internet and language barrier but also true for Taiwan (where i mostly lived) and most of eastern asia (by extrapolating). 
+
+Basically, listening to winston's shit was the next best thing after finding a fellow foreigner who could coach you on how things worked there. And if you were living in Shenzhen around that time I have no doubt you could've met the man himself to drink a beer with him. Depending on how your life went at the time, it would probably be a while since you held an actual convo with an anglophone, which would feel pretty comfy. 
+
+Truth be told I remember when i started living in taiwan in 2013. As I came from a stem background i didn't meet a lot of anglos or westerners at first and dealt mostly with taiwanese, whose behavior and thinking was so alien to me the only people that I could relate to were the indians working with me. Then I met a few euros that were basically chinkboos and overall just super avoidant. Only then I met some actual, social foreigners, and my taiwanese gf, and then i started figuring shit out. All in all, kino shit.
+
+the truth is, they were going to leave China eventually. They probably considered vietnam but their wives probably refused, and the US was just way preferable to going to Taiwan like their loser friend prozzie who honestly is a perfect window into what they would've looked like had they persisted in that path.
+To be honest they both had figured everything that most people wanted. They made a good business decision by switching to CCP bashing. Do I like what they do now ? Not really. But I respect it.
+--- 2438516
+>>2438384
+>Said South Africa sucked now bc apartheid isn't around anymore.
+
+Source
+--- 2438518
+>>2438384
+>My oppressive,authoritarian regime country no longer exists 
+>So I will just go live in China
+--- 2438548
+>>2438264
+They ban western degeneracy from taking over their media.
+--- 2438552
+Anyone notice how the defenders of serpenzas shitty mandarin never post a video of him speaking good mandarin?
+--- 2438554
+>>2438264
+>Feminism is banned
+>tattoos are banned in the media
+>Rap is banned on TV
+>Millions of African shitskins aren't allowed to immigrate there 
+>Jews don't control their media/government/economy 
+>Their existence makes mutts and Jews seethe 
+>Blocking gay globohomo scenes in their movies
+>No tranny shit in their media 
+>Homogenous 
+They have their problems but overall superior in every way to Ameriniggers.
+--- 2438564
+>>2435871
+>>2437835
+>>2435899
+>>2437906
+>>2438201
+>"Heh. Winston has good mandarin. Much better than mine and I'm a native Singaporean!"
+>"Ok so what if my mandarin is really terrible?! Singapores official language is English!"
+You're just proving everyone's point here. Winston's mandarin is terrible.
+--- 2438672
+>>2438564
+>>2438552
+>>2438384
+>>2438262
+
+Oh sure, because nothing says "funny" like making fun of someone's language skills, right? Especially when it's a language that's not even their first language or native tongue. I mean, why bother trying to understand and appreciate the rich diversity of languages and cultures in our world when you can just resort to lazy stereotypes and bigotry? So hilarious.
+--- 2438682
+>>2438672
+we aren't making fun of his skills just to be mean. He is selling himself as an expert. If there was a chang shitting on America and its culture and people yet can't speak for shit then I'm not going to take his opinion seriously. He doesn't have to be fluent but for 10 years in China is level is absolutely pathetic. His Chinese is at the level of a thick accented toddler.
+--- 2438685
+>>2438672
+>>2438682
+The only reason his language ability was brought up in the first place >>2434559
+ was to hold it as a point in his favor, which then everyone rightfully pointed out is preposterous
+--- 2438794
+>>2438685
+I get the feeling that they are just a bouch of (you)s
+--- 2438872
+I LOVE WINSTON!
+
+He WAS a China expert
+He IS the first China vlogger 
+He DID train doctors
+He DID a lot of cool stuff in China
+He ALWAYS married hot women
+He WAS the coolest expat in SZ
+--- 2438875
+Is there a single person who actually likes China? Lmfao
+China has to be the biggest shithole on earth.
+Even expats in India love India.
+Everyone hates China and the Chinks
+--- 2438880
+>>2438875
+I love China
+--- 2438883
+>>2438872
+And in case you don't believe me, believe me. I am the SerpentZA expert.
+--- 2438887
+>>2438880
+Chinks don't count.
+Only human opinions matter
+--- 2438893
+>>2438880
+me too ^_^
+--- 2438902
+>>2438883
+I'd rather my mother found my trap folder before she found this JFC dude
+--- 2438922
+>>2438902
+这个系列很简单。我刚刚用了ytdlp和配置--datebefore。
+--- 2438925
+>>2438922
+It doesn't matter how you acquired your fetish material, it's the fact that you store random vlogs like they're actually important.
+You do get credit for youtube-dlp though.
+--- 2438929
+>>2438883
+Based
+--- 2438933
+>>2438925
+t. poorboy with no SSD space left for vintage chinese kino because of his debilitating shemale fetish.
+I don't want your ytdlp credit. It's worthless.
+--- 2439014
+>be me
+>Live in Taipei
+>Go to party saturday night
+>Get shitfaced drunk
+> Stay up until morning, drunkenness subsided, say bye to the girl i fucked at a hotel
+>Breakfast shops open, i am fucking hungry, and sleeping on an empty stomach = mother of a headache
+>Old uncle and his wife manage the business, just by looking at my haggard post saturday ass they know exactly what I want (the same order every week)
+>Get youtiaos, an iced tea, some french toast, two eggs sunny side up with a dab of onions sauce, and a chicken sandwich with a side of spicy french fries
+>It's sunday morning, advchina is up
+>Put my earphones, pull up latest advchina from when they still lived there
+>I REMEMBER U.MP3
+>two bros in a motorcycle talking about their time in the mainland while i'm gorging on my brunch at the Gongguan riverpark.
+>Finish food
+>Go back home and sleep
+
+Peak kino.
+--- 2439033
+>>2439014
+that story sucked
+--- 2439043
+>>2439014
+
+Da'an park is far superior
+--- 2439055
+>>2439014
+t. prozzie still acting like a teenager
+--- 2439056
+No idea why this nigger is so shilled, it's not like there aren't tons of people posting vlogs every day from China. That alone makes me suspicious, cause he otherwise isn't particularly charismatic or insightful.
+--- 2439076
+>>2439056
+You have no idea because you've got no soul, chang
+--- 2439131
+>>2439014
+I REMEMBER YOUUUUUUUUU
+--- 2439152
+>>2438875
+>Even expats in India love India 
+No they absolutely do not and once every India is out of an earshot they become some of the worst racists on the planet. 
+>t. Was sent there for work many times
+--- 2439157
+I remember Matt and Serp "nullifying" some Chinese document that being displayed in a browser, and they claimed it was bogus because there was a cursor bar displaying in the middle of the document.
+
+I commented, introducing them to the topic of "caret browsing", and it went unnoticed... or did it? I went back to the video days later and couldn't find my original comment. I assumed Mr. CS College diploma and Mr. IT Consultant got butt aches and deleted it, so I posted it again. You're welcome, China.
+--- 2439158
+>>2439056
+He's autistic so he attracts autists who make threads about him. Same with bald. I can't stand watching travel YouTubers. Why watch these faggots? Go travel yourself. Hell most of serpenzas videos are just him in room his room seething about the CCP. Boring as fuck.
+--- 2439165
+>>2439152
+I remember watching some documentary about druggie israeli ex-conscripts on a trip to india, they were telling the cameraman how indians were like retarded children lol
+--- 2439204
+>>2438875
+I love China.
+--- 2439207
+>>2438554
+My wife used to watch the TV show host that was a tranny. The tranny married a Westerner, kek. I think it has a TV show anymore.
+--- 2439208
+>>2438384
+Look at Google Street View of South African suburbs. They have literal electric fences around every home like Jurassic Park to keep from being murdered.
+--- 2439236
+>>2439055
+>has enough years of experience to never have to worry about finding work, job so easygoing he could do it as an old fuck too. 
+>English teachers earn around 2000 usd in a city (taichung) where rent is basically 300 to 400 bucks, 600 for 2 bedroom, all he will ever need
+>Need more money ? Teach english online like half the people that live there.
+
+Laugh it up you macaque. Even if he wanted to find a girl to settle down with, the combined revenue wouldn't make having a kid too complicated a matter. You have fun living a life of stress and worries in an unsafe country hoping an ugly bitch notices your toil and adds to it.
+--- 2439241
+>>2438682
+He's selling himself as someone who lived in China as a white dude. He's not making chinese literature critique. He may not get everything right but no one does really.
+--- 2440377
+past his prime by about 4-5 years now
+now that he and CMilk are out of China they
+should bow out and raise their filthy mutts
+--- 2440383
+>>2435077
+>>2435654
+its because the white cucks who look for gook wives have never had a slice of any pussy in their life
+therefore they go 'ooga booga' on the 1st bar tramp that says hi to them
+--- 2440385
+>>2439207
+The difference is you rarely ever see trannys and that other globohomo shit on Chinese TV. Compared to the west where even on fucking children shows they are talking about gay issues. 
+>>2439165
+Israelis are the worst tourists I've ever encountered so they shouldn't be talking
+--- 2440387
+>>2439241
+His videos are just him seething now. Hes not there anymore so hes relegated himself to just making shit up now. His fanboys are retarded boomers and jeets who don't have the brain cells to question him on his obvious bullshit.
+--- 2440389
+>>2437831
+>getting letters and shit from the CCP just for being foreigners
+This is how I know you've never lived here.
+--- 2440403
+>>2434524 (OP)
+poster boy for lbh syndrome. got his ego too inflated by thirdies who worship first world money. esl teacher who presents himself as this slick business man. "teaching doctors" fucking idiot was literally teaching them basic english on preschool level. once china developed past shithole tier and south african money didn't go as far and you actually had to report taxes on your language school, he bailed to the next 3rd world country vietnam to do the whole thing over again and making money spreading proven lies about china by repeating what brainwashed amerisharts want to hear. he is currently souring on vietnam aswell. next stop probably cambodia. just a loser who couldn't hack it in a first world competitive country and got lucky with his dumb channel
+--- 2440426
+>>2437762
+To the paranoid mind, balance looks like an infestation of the other side.
+--- 2440428
+>>2438139
+>They are a soulless money hungry ant people
+Strangely, the more I got to know Chinese people, particularly Chinese people with exposure to the West and a shared experience of being an immigrant, the less I had this view.
+--- 2440501
+>>2439236
+Well said
+--- 2440502
+>>2440377
+lol are you writing a limerick
+--- 2440558
+>>2436571
+Jorge has been observing US life for over a decade. You bet he can make a great analysis about the US lifestyle on the ground.
+--- 2440561
+>>2440403
+I only match with the yf icon. What's the deal with those twin apartments? Isn't that what everyone lives in there?
+--- 2440577
+Winston is based but he now has to dance like a monkey and make these videos in the USA with C milk who he doesn't actually like deep down because he can't move his family to south Africa and they can't live in china. He's desperate to get citizenship there in the USA. He has no other choices.
+--- 2440695
+>>2440403
+>"teaching doctors" the guy was LYING oh my GOD Nathan RICH SAID SO!!!
+Bro, shut the fuck up. Everyone knew he was an english teacher and he never pretended he was not. He meant teaching doctors as in he was teaching legit people to acquire a professional proficiency, as opposed to waving flashcards in front of a bunch of kids in kindergarten.
+I would've agreed that it would've sounded sketchy were there another instance of him pretending he's doing something he isn't, but that's basically it. 
+
+>got lucky
+As much as I dislike with his current content, winston managed to switch the nature of his content twice and he not only got away with it but his viewership grew. If that's luck then he should try his hand at the lottery. 
+>south african money didn't go as far and you actually had to report taxes on your language school, he bailed 
+Bro, he stopped teaching and was on a spousal visa for at least his last year if not two. He's currently living in Cali of all fucking places and probably had to provide for his family as Sacha has to get certified to practice medicine there. He was better off in Shenzhen.
+
+
+Please tell us about how successful your life is, btw.

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+-----
+--- 2434619
+Is it really true you will get pulled aside by border agents simply for "looking nervous"?
+And assuming I would find it highly exciting to fuck with these guys, what appearance, behavior, words, etc. can I do to trigger defcon levels of suspicion and string them into searching/questioning me for hours (days even?), ultimately to find nothing and let me walk free at the end?
+--- 2434620
+>>2434619 (OP)
+You're either 13 years old or a fed. Either way, fuck off.
+--- 2434649
+Put yourself in customs and immigration's shoes. You're on the lookout for suspicious people out to screw with the law. You have limited time and effort so you need to make the best use of your attention. How would you proceed? There's your answer
+--- 2434654
+Kinda sorta. I used to walk across the border into TJ and back pretty frequently when I lived in San Diego. When you're lined up on the TJ side waiting to get into the states you see tons of sketchy fuckers in line, but they never got pulled out of the line (at least when I was there). I actually got held once because my Global Entry membership had lapsed but I was in the middle of a renewal and they ended up letting me through with a written warning.
+--- 2435601
+>>2434619 (OP)
+>And assuming I would find it highly exciting to fuck with these guys
+You're going to sabatage your whole trip because "lol funny", they can and absolutely will hold you for a long time if they want to, making you miss your flight.
+--- 2435603
+There's easier ways to get a finger up your ass if that's what you're looking for
+--- 2435614
+>>2435601
+lmao you have a lawyer and you have rights
+--- 2435622
+>>2435614
+Not at the border you don't. Within 50 miles Customs and Border Patrol has extraordinary powers compared to normal US law enforcement. Not saying that's how it should be, but that is the reality of the situation. 
+
+You sound like a little kid, you're not supposed to post here before your balls drop.
+--- 2435630
+>>2434619 (OP)
+>Is it really true you will get pulled aside by border agents simply for "looking nervous"?
+They can pull you aside for any reason they want.
+--- 2435647
+>>2435622
+not the op jackass
+--- 2435889
+Software that reads facial expressions and body language is in the process of being implemented into the security camera systems at a lot of airports all over the world, where the system will automatically flag people that it recognizes are not acting normally or are overly nervous.
+
+Ripperino to people with social anxiety or autism, lmao
+--- 2435891
+>>2434619 (OP)
+Depends on the country obviously. First world countries that you are not a citizen of will be suspicious of you by default, and anything you do to make them more suspicious will potentially make you flagged for additional questioning/searches. As long as you're not doing blatantly illegal shit there's no reason to worry. You most likely will get through without issue. Border control shows blow this shit out of proportion how much they actually stop people. When you get to the immigration line you'll see 500 people in front of you. They don't have the time or the staff to stop and search every single person.
+--- 2435893
+>>2435614
+You don't have 4th amendment rights at the border. You have 5th amendment rights, but they can search every nook and cranny they want to. They can destroy your shit if they really want to.
+--- 2435894
+>>2435893
+So I've heard that at the US-Canada border, the guards have every legal right to tear apart your vehicle. Suppose that they did, and your vehicle is now reduced to a pile of scraps that does not function. Are you supposed to just abandon your vehicle, or can you actually a call over a service (such as a towing or scrapping company) to come pick it up?
+--- 2435895
+>>2435894
+You have to remember they're public employees. They're not going to destroy your shit without a good reason. The news would be all over that shit, especially with the political climate around cops nowadays. If your car is literally totaled at the border odds are you're going to prison for something and they'll impound the vehicle for you.
+--- 2435905
+>>2435891
+So if you're smuggling, you basically have a 1 out of 100 chance of getting caught
+--- 2435907
+>>2435601
+If it's my final destination then I've got plenty of time trust me
+--- 2435908
+>>2435907
+Can you just shut up
+--- 2435910
+>>2435905
+Well they periodically have drug dogs sniffing and if you're caught you're absolutely fucked. Drug trafficking is years in prison. Don't be retarded.
+--- 2436165
+>>2434619 (OP)
+>Is it really true you will get pulled aside by border agents simply for "looking nervous"?
+Maybe, but it’s pretty unlikely in most places. 
+>And assuming I would find it highly exciting to fuck with these guys, what appearance, behavior, words, etc. can I do to trigger defcon levels of suspicion
+Again, this is likely to vary a lot depending on who you are, where you are, and who they are and how they’re feeling. Being jittery, being unable or unwilling to answer questions, acting as though you might be on drugs… these could all get some officers interested in you. You could probably be openly hostile and get pushed into a detention room pretty quickly if you felt like pressing your luck.
+>and string them into searching/questioning me for hours (days even?), ultimately to find nothing 
+Along with being a pretty weird way to waste travel time, I think your silly plan falls apart at:
+>and let me walk free at the end
+Because they’re not necessarily going to be obligated to let you walk free at the end. Even if your visa/papers/etc are all in good order and you’re not actually smuggling or something, border officials just about everywhere in the world have a level of discretionary power over whether or not you actually get in. It is 100% possible for you to go from getting interrogated for an hour or two to getting refused entry, detained, and deported if your luck is bad enough and you annoy the wrong person at the wrong time. They can come up with a legally valid reason.
+--- 2436173
+Never happened to me personally, but one time at the baggage claim two customs dudes picked up the brown dude standing next to me and ushered him aside to "answer a couple of questions." Scary as hell.
+--- 2436178
+>>2435614
+>muh rights
+as if getting anally raped and then suing is gonna make you recover what little dignity you had
+accept it bud, some people in this world have more power than you
+--- 2436187
+>>2434619 (OP)
+it can happen
+When I first travelled alone at 22 to asia I was so nervous that they really took me away for an ispection 
+
+When I had more experience I simply smiled and greeted the passport guy in tibet and they made me to unpack all of my things.
+
+In israel I wasn't smiling or being nervous, I was just honest and I was detained and questioned for 2 hours
+--- 2436189
+>>2435614
+>lmao you have a lawyer and you have rights
+You probably don’t have a lawyer while being interviewed by customs or immigration. You could get one and try to sue someone to recover the price of any new ticket you get forced to buy after the fact, but you’re unlikely to win.
+
+It’s worth remembering also that you don’t have any inherent “right” to enter a foreign country, even if you possess a visa. The American legal definition is very explicit about this—an American visa just gives you the right to request permission to enter from border officials. But ultimately even that permission to enter is not any kind of right at all, but a privilege temporarily extended to you at the discretion of your host government. Which can be easily, legally revoked by all sorts of officials for all sorts of reasons. 
+
+Same basic rigamarole nearly everywhere.
+--- 2436406
+>>2434619 (OP)
+I am a mexican citizen.
+It was 2016. Some weeks after the shooting in Orlando of the gay bar. I was walking amd not using the horizontal speed electric lanes. A CBP questioned me why I was not using them. I told him I have legs amd I wanna walk.
+--- 2436407
+>>2434619 (OP)
+Well. Tell them to fuck off. That will be enough.
+--- 2437685
+>>2435894
+They send you a voucher for a new car
+--- 2437706
+>>2435894
+I knew a girl who was a drummer in an all girl band. They tried to cross over into Canada through a lesser-used checkpoint with a U-haul trailer filled with instruments. They didn't have permits to work in Canada. The Canadian border guards told them they were going to confiscate all of the equipment. While they were distracted, an American border guard took pity of them, climbed into the car and used a turnaround to move the trailer back onto the US side. The Canadian guards went apeshit and held the girls up for several hours before letting them walk back into the US. They ended up putting the equipment into storage on the US side and just crossing over and playing the tour with borrowed instruments from a Canadian band.
+--- 2437716
+>be me
+>Autistic nafri from france
+>J1 visa for internship
+>Can speak fluent, and i mean flawless english with a hint of a new york accent, have been training myself all my life, don't ask me why. Of course, the longer you speak to me the more likely i'll be to make mistakes. Simply put i basically sound like a fucking spy
+>They pull me over in france before takeoff
+>Tell me us agent needs to interview me
+>Us agent is super late
+>Asks me a lot of questions, feigns interest
+>Ive read about that shit, i know she's trying to play nice so she can get more info
+>Now the actual smart thing in hindsight would've been to play ball because you don't have rights at the border, they can just tell you to fuck right off
+>It doesn't help that the subject of my internship was literal sci-fi technobabble (it was an applied physics internship)
+>Be very laconic in my answers
+>"Wow anon, your accent is very good, did you come here before ?"
+>"No."
+>At that point she clearly was suspicious but gives me a pass
+>Plane delayed 20 minutes because of me, i am the last one to board, everybody stares at me as i go to my seat
+>Arrive at JFK
+>They put me in a room alone
+>Repeatedly ask me about my english
+>"I don't know, I just play video games"
+>"You don't have to lie sir, you're visiting family is all"
+>"I'm not lying and I am not visiting my family"
+>They leave, someone else comes back, asks the same fucking questions
+>Answer the same way
+>Third person comes in
+>Decide i'll try to be friendly this time and just explain in detail everything
+>They release me
+
+In hindsight, my autism saved me. Pretty sure they expected me to get angry or admit that i had family here that i was trying to rejoin.
+--- 2439664
+>>2434619 (OP)
+yes

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+-----
+--- 2434754
+Tornado edition
+
+Previous Thread: >>2423126 →
+
+>What is this thread?
+/rcg/ was created as a way for the roller coaster enthusiasts on here to discuss all things roller coasters and theme parks. While roller coasters are the main focus of these threads, there is also discussion on other theme park rides, as well as the parks themselves and trip planning too.
+>Can I talk about Disney/Universal in this thread?
+Absolutely! Disney discussion of all sorts including resorts/dining/trip planning is OK.
+
+Thread Pro-tip: Almost every modern coaster/ride accident has been from guests not following the rules. If you're not a dummy you'll be fine.
+
+Roller Coaster Database:
+>https://rcdb.com/
+
+Amusement Park News Sites:
+>https://www.themeparkinsider.com/
+>https://www.screamscape.com/
+>https://www.coaster101.com/
+
+Disney Park News:
+>https://www.wdwnt.com/
+>https://www.wdwmagic.com/
+>https://www.allears.net/
+>https://www.mousesteps.com
+--- 2434794
+Anyone have fond memories of theme park arcades?
+--- 2434924
+>>2434794
+I've never played in a theme park arcade or a hotel arcade.
+--- 2434930
+>>2434794
+Theme park arcades? No. Now theme park playgrounds, those were my shit.
+--- 2434937
+>>2434930
+Wow I remember that.
+--- 2435054
+I put up a 591,550 on this the other day shooting an almost optimal run. I missed the enemy exhaust port once and and the tree eyes were glitching out so I know a 600k is possible.
+
+Does anyone know if it's still possible to max it out at 999,999? 
+
+Also goddamn does it need a refurbishment.
+--- 2435097
+>>2435054
+Probably will never get refurbed. It's been rumoured for the chopping block for ages.
+--- 2435101
+>tell universal my actual opinions on their passholder surveys after each trip
+>be brutally honest about how shit jimmy fallon, fast and furious, and the screen based experiences are. 
+>explain how garbage some of their food is and how it's not worth the money they ask.
+>explain in detail what parts of each older attraction are in need of repair and how it's fucked up they have monetized the express pass and merch so much but still deliver these half-assed aging experiences 
+>dont get surveys anymore 
+
+I'm gonna create my own survey and email it to them. Every time I go there I get pissed off at more things.
+--- 2435188
+>>2434794
+Some of my earliest memories are going to the arcade at pic related with my old man when I was like 6 or 7. Wish I had a time machine bros to experience that again
+--- 2435209
+>>2434794
+My fondest arcade memory was the one at the contemporary in Disney World. They had a shooting gallery.. I think it was haunted house themed. The arcade was pretty big and it also had a movie theater attached to it.
+
+I have some memories playing in the Cedar Point arcade when it had some older machines. I think MK had that too but I barely remember it there. The one in your pic I remember was affiliated with (the now defunct) Gameworks and used Gameworks cards and all the employees had Gameworks shirts
+--- 2435263
+>>2434794
+Love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe
+--- 2435536
+>>2435263
+I’m surprised it’s still there and hasn’t turned into a DVC kiosk or a princess meet and greet. Cedar Point got rid of theirs too a few years back and made it a gift shop
+--- 2435568
+Anybody been on ArieForce One yet?
+I try to avoid stopping around Atlanta when I pass through on the way to FL. The traffic is among the worst and there are too many joggers. I think I'll stop there next time for this and maybe SFOG. Worried about the joggers though.
+--- 2435627
+>>2435568
+I'd love to swing by when I'm in Atlanta. I don't know if I'll be able to, since it's a little bit more of a drive and my family isn't as thoosie as me so they'd probably take some convincing. But we're so close it would be a shame to miss it.
+--- 2435690
+>>2435627
+Good luck. I've gotta convince my wife to stop at either. I tried convincing her to do Dollywood and SFOG/Fun Spot on the way to driving to or from Florida. Maybe GA there and TN on the return. I had to settle for only Dollywood for now but that's still okay by me.
+
+Fun Spot is pay per ride and you don't have to pay to get in. It's $12 to ride ArieForce One. They're about 40 mins apart (but Atlanta traffic....)
+--- 2435695
+I missed this. That RCID "King of England" stunt included this table. I think this info came out a few months ago elsewhere too. Disney has 'approval' for a 5th major park (and 2 additional minor ones). I didn't think they would go this route considering how much work is needed at their 4 existing parks. This doesn't mean it will happen.. but it does mean they're thinking about it.
+
+I think it will happen in the next decade and is part of that $17 billion spending. Aside from the 'beyond big thunder' concept, I don't think they're interested in new phases at the existing parks. Just look at Epcot and how they canceled the rest of their overhaul plans. I expect a new park with a small handful of attractions that fans like me will call a half day experience. This seems to be working for them and forces people to spend multiple days and visit multiple parks to get their money's worth.
+--- 2435724
+>>2435695
+>Existing minor theme parks
+>3
+The two water parks and what else? World of Sports?
+--- 2435738
+>>2435724
+Maybe they included Disney springs?
+--- 2435744
+>>2435695
+Is it known what the total cost is for Epic Universe?
+17 billion bucks is probably more than enough to make a 5th gate, but the expansion they're doing here in Walt Disney Studios in Paris was said to be a total of 2 billion, and with how slow they're going and cutting a bunch of stuff from the plans I wouldn't be surprised they're going over budget. And this is even crazier considering it's just inferior copies of stuff they already made elsewhere. That's still only a small fraction of what would constitute a full theme park.
+--- 2435752
+>>2435724
+>>2435738
+It's probably Wide World of Sports... could also be Disney Springs. I don't think there is a need for another water park either... though they did have three for six years. I'm surprised they never ripped off Discovery Cove, they could always do something like that.
+>>2435744
+A search pulls up a lot of results saying it's 'only' $1 billion. That seems low. But $17 billion seems insanely high even spread over 10 years. Definitely more than enough for a 5th gate. This is supposedly all for WDW. They spent like $5 billion over the last decade.. that includes new Fantasyland, Galaxy's Edge, hotels, Disney Springs, the Epcot upgrades and GotG, Tron, and things like Skyliner. $17 billion is a LOT even factoring inflation. It implies they're doing something big. They could always pull a Fort Wilderness DVC and pull the plug
+--- 2435767
+>>2435752
+Worth noting that Disney (over)spend stupid amounts on their rides, just like with marvel and Pixar films and they tend to get poor value for money. Their expansion of Disney Studios Paris (Avengers campus, Frozen land, converting a studio backlot ride to a terrible Cars ride, a lake and a teacups ride) has a budget of $2.5b.
+
+For comparison, Alton Towers in the UK are building a new indoor coaster that's supposedly going to be the most advanced in the country and it's budget is about $15m.
+--- 2435784
+>>2435767
+Oh we know. New Fantasyland was $800 million. Galaxy's Edge was $1 billion. Cosmic Rewind and Tron were each half a billion. The California Adventure remix was $1 billion. If Epic Universe really is $1 billion that's a bargain. For Disney, where is this money going?
+
+Hagrid's at Universal Islands of Adventure was $300 million, still not cheap. Lots of theming and tech.. not sure if that includes license. Still quite expensive for a roller coaster. Steel Vengeance, a contender for best coast in the world, was $7.5 million. It did re-use most of Mean Streak's support structure. Fury 325, another best coaster contender, was $30 million. Velocicoaster, yet another 'best coaster in the world' and highly themed, was around $80 million.
+--- 2435920
+Anyone know what the security situation is like at CMH? Work finally scheduled me three days off in a row, I kinda want to fly down to Florida since I can do it for cheap during that time period but I don’t know how early I need to be at Columbus. At Dayton, where I live, it was like 5 minutes to get through security and then several hours of sitting at a bar waiting for my flight. MCO security was a nightmare, naturally, but I’m wondering if I can catch a 6:53pm Tuesday flight out of CMH if I get off work at 4:30pm and can be there by 5:30pm.
+--- 2435968
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ3FQAMh2bo [Embed]
+--- 2435970
+I miss this style of Tomorrowland, it had so much sovl
+--- 2435972
+>>2435101
+unfathomably based
+--- 2435973
+>>2435968
+>>2435970
+this is so comfy, it's unreal
+--- 2435975
+>>2435973
+hard not to be a Disney adult when it's this comfy
+--- 2436140
+>>2435970
+I didn’t even know they changed it. It looks so much worse. Why did they make the rocks silver? Ugh..
+--- 2436151
+>>2435920
+If you have a reliable vehicle just leave work at 4:30pm and you’ll be in Orlando by 6:30am-7am. Stop at Buc-ees (there is 3 of them of I-75, 1 in KY and 2 in GA) to gas up and take a quick power nap.
+--- 2436164
+>>2435975
+>spaceship Earth late afternoon when your feet are aching, it's walk on, and you get to spend 15 minutes in the cool
+
+Comfy as fuck. Just wish they still had the cafe where you could watch the fountains.
+
+>>2435970
+90's 'techno' aesthetic is under-rated. Would love to see another attempt with more modern materials and building techniques 
+
+>This is a fucking EasyHotel now
+Life is bitter.
+--- 2436179
+>>2436140
+Holy shit I didn't even know they painted the rocks, that's just asinine.
+I'm happy with Discoveryland here in Paris, or at least I was before they just replaced all the Jules Verne stuff with Star Wars. Apparently there's gonna be some park announcements on the 12th, I keep hoping they'll finally get rid of Hyperspace Mountain and return to the original De La Terre A La Lune, but I know it's never happening. Honestly more chance they'll straight up turn it into Star Wars land permanently at this rate.
+--- 2436184
+>>2436164
+>picrel
+I miss wacky silly and cool architecture like that. Downtown Disney in Anaheim used to be like that, with many different things clashing against each other making each store and restaurant unique. Now they're sterilizing everything :(
+--- 2436192
+>>2436184
+The starbucks effect.
+--- 2436203
+>>2436179
+The star wars stuff is so out of place, also wish they'd put some damn shows in that waste of space dinner theare. Interesting how much they've cut down on the Star Wars stuff in Disney Studios (seemingly cancelling Star Wars Land).
+
+Can't really see Paris getting too much love. 7 Dwarves or Indiana Jones clones have been rumoured for ages but don't seem likely. Would love to see an original E-ticket at either park though. Space Mountain, Car's Road Trip and Crush's Coaster being the only significant exclusives for Paris is shit.
+--- 2436210
+>>2436151
+I genuinely think flying would be cheaper, I can fly round trip for like $96. I’ll probably just leave super early the next morning instead though, that way I don’t have to worry about missing my flight and I don’t have to pay for another night at the hotel. I just don’t know if it would be better to go to bed at a strangely early hour of the day after work that Tuesday or just pull an all-nighter so I can leave at like 3:50am.
+--- 2436214
+>>2436210
+Why would you even consider driving that lol
+--- 2436241
+>>2436214
+I’ve done it before but it ain’t fun
+--- 2436254
+Anyone go on the Mickey Runaway Railway?
+Goofy says the gamer word.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGS9NpmiOUg [Embed]
+--- 2436256
+>>2436254
+I actually kind of like it. Nothing will ever be as good as the Great Movie Ride, but it's a fun family ride even though the story is extra nonsensical
+--- 2436271
+>>2436254
+I'm a big fan of the Mickey shorts so while I think it's very stupid to get rid of The Great Movie Ride, it's a pretty fun ride and I like that Mickey actually has a ride dedicated to him now. It's just that the one in Toon Town is so objectively superior to the one in Hollywood Studios in every single way that it's even more silly now that it's stuck in the Chinese Theater as well.
+--- 2436273
+>>2436271
+I mean with ToonTown they had the budget to renovate that whole area while with Hollywood Studios it was just that one ride building.
+--- 2436322
+>>2436210
+That’s great if you can get it for that price and it’s just you.
+>>2436214
+If you’re a family of 5 and can’t find airfare less than $400 and you want or need a car when you get there. It’s not a fun drive and it’s about the max distance I’d consider driving but I’ve done it many times. Many people do. In the winter time, parking lots are seas of northern state license plates and also many Ontario license plates
+--- 2436325
+>>2436322
+>Many people do.
+For a 3 day weekend? Doubt it
+--- 2436681
+Seems like it's confirmed that the Epcot expansion will end with Moana. No play pavilion, no Spaceship Earth refurb, No UK/Mary Poppins
+
+Was kinda shitting on the Mary Poppins ride after learning it was a carousel instead of a steeplechase dark ride but it seems like they were doing neat Mickey's Railway style projection mapping things with it. Another ride to spread out the crowds around the world showcase was needed.
+--- 2436745
+>>2436681
+The solution is to add attractions not based in IP that explore futurology and concepts like space travel, multiple dimensions, artificial intelligence, hydroponics, self-driving cars, etc. 
+
+Disney does not possess the creative personnel to hit that necessary high watermark however.
+--- 2436938
+I think I'm finna go to Fun Spot Atlanta bros
+--- 2436964
+>>2436745
+So Horizons and Innoventions 2?
+--- 2436969
+>>2436938
+Same. Although I hear it’s the weakest of the 3.
+--- 2436978
+>>2436969
+Really only one ride I'm primarily interested in anyhow. That new coaster looks amazing.
+--- 2437004
+>>2436978
+Indeed. A supporting lineup would be nice but we’re only there for one reason
+--- 2437007
+>>2437004
+Might try the go-karts since they're included in the day pass. Never ridden a go-kart before I don't think.
+--- 2437008
+>>2436964
+I mean what else is EPCOT supposed to be?
+It should always be a look at the future, the past, and the world. It becoming an IP graveyard is pretty pathetic
+--- 2437010
+>>2436964
+I'd kill for Innoventions back. It was legitimately one of my favorite parts of all the parks as a kid. Seeing it decay over the years was sad.
+--- 2437018
+>>2437010
+They are apparently bringing back the Communicore name for the new hub area, so that's something I guess.
+--- 2437025
+>>2437018
+>Tear down Communicore/Innoventions building to replace it with convention center.
+>Cancel convention center.
+>Still need convention space.
+>Rebuild the same building you just tore down.
+The whole EPCOT 'transformation' has been a complete shitshow. I'm sure the Communicore name will just be a label and the new area will have absolutely nothing to do with Communicore.
+--- 2437320
+>>2436745
+Those are great ideas consistent with the original Epcot concept. But Epcot is arguably a failed park and aside from being creatively bankrupt, they have no interest. Everything new will be IP and IP is what the majority of their guests want anyways.
+--- 2437440
+>>2437320
+Universal has the same problem and has completely moved away from being a park about the magic of filmmaking to a park where you just momentarily enter an IP's universe like a shittier version of IOA with none of the magic. It even has a metastatic growth from IOA growing where Jaws used to be. 
+
+I hate theme park guests so much it's unreal. The dumber the average park guest gets the dumber the park itself becomes. Fast passes, $40 shirts, screens, IP, upcharges, all of it.
+--- 2437555
+>>2437440
+I like the atmosphere of Universal Studios. It still feels like a movie set, except the Harry Potter stuff, but that's totally separate.
+--- 2437565
+>>2437555
+Sure because the stuff they haven't torn down is still there. Everything recent is just a worse version of something at IOA. Thematically it's a disconnected mess and all of the soul is gone. 
+
+https://youtu.be/L_J4YZzVJgQ [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/aXlp2x3CJ70 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/Ku1gdbbCKIk [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/Y6QPolAcQTU [Embed]
+--- 2437637
+Ride op bros, what’s the worst thing you’ve experienced so far this season?
+--- 2437649
+>>2436745
+that would require disney to still have personnel that have any ounce of SOUL.
+
+the current ownership of disney only care about profits and politics.
+--- 2437802
+>the only bits not cancelled at Epcot were things either allowing them to make more money or to increase capacity
+
+Figures
+--- 2437832
+>>2435263
+I got to a theme park right when it opened and it had a shooting gallery like this. For whatever reason, when the staff turned it on all the rifles were set to one free play. One one was around, so I just went down the line, shooting one rifle after the other until they were all empty. I must have been playing for 20 minutes. It never happened again and years later they removed it.
+--- 2437843
+>>2437440
+>has completely moved away from being a park about the magic of filmmaking
+Probably because they never really used it as a proper film studio unlike Universal Hollywood, hence why the Studio Tour closed after 5 years of opening.
+Same deal with the "Studio Backlot Tour" at Hollywood Studios.
+--- 2437933
+>Poseidon's Fury is permanently closing in May
+
+Zelda time soon...
+--- 2437939
+>>2437933
+Glad I got to experience it during my trip in December. The show itself was meh but the water tunnel was quite cool
+--- 2437963
+>>2437933
+
+Sad to see a day 1 original concept go like that but the writing has been on the wall for a while now. The room change effect was pretty cool the first time it happened. Hopefully it's not going to be more Harry Potter.
+
+Worst part of this is it means a Halloween Horror Nights Islands of Fear remake is now completely impossible.
+--- 2437967
+>>2437963
+On the other hand, if they do end up going the Zelda route, you can have a Ganon takeover for an Islands of Fear reboot with Redeads all over the place.
+--- 2437969
+>>2437933
+Fuck. I was finally able to show it to my gf last year, but the damn water tunnel wasn't working. Guess she'll never get to experience it.
+--- 2437973
+>>2437967
+Nintendo wont go for that similar to how Marvel threw a fit about all of the dead super heroes in the carnage house.
+--- 2437995
+>>2437933
+Oh no! It was closed during my last trip for all week until Friday after we had already left the park for the day. I saw on the app that it was open, and I thought about getting dressed and going back and doing it on my own, but I liked the way our day in the parks ended, with three back to back rides with my dad on the Mummy. I didn't go back out to do it, and I thought I'd do it next time. That's a bummer. Whatever newer attraction replaces it will probably be better. Still sad.
+--- 2438002
+Assuming mythos, the shops, and kebab place goes as well that's a massive plot of land they're working with and they have access to a huge piece of the waterfront as well
+--- 2438012
+>>2438002
+I hope whatever replaces it will be as visually impressive as Lost Continent.
+--- 2438032
+Legend of Zelda dark ride where you explore a trap-filled temple similar to Forbidden Eye.
+--- 2438046
+If Universal does re-theme the Lost Continent, I hope they at least keep the best part around in some manner.
+--- 2438055
+>>2438046
+>finally gets his propane torch back
+>evicted
+--- 2438059
+It's such a shame Universal uses this ride vehicle for fucking screens when it's capable of so much more. Imagine if they had this when Jurassic Park was first being designed during the Spielberg creative consultant era. We'd have a full reenactment of the T-Rex scene in JP1.
+--- 2438061
+>>2438059
+There's concept art indicating that this was first pitched as Jurassic Park before they switched IPs to get more out of the Hollywood tunnel animation assets and market it as "A Brand New Island!"
+--- 2438062
+>>2438046
+What's something from Zelda that can be interactive like that?
+--- 2438120
+>>2438062
+maybe that dude from Twilight Princess who became a living statue?
+--- 2438130
+>>2438046
+I dont think they even need to change it. It looks like something you'd get a quest from in BOTW
+--- 2438133
+>>2437933
+Weird, they'd only just refurbed it. Probably makes sense, it never has any sort of queue. The Darkanon thing was weird but I guess people got confused as to why Poseidon was a bad guy.
+
+>>2437967
+>>2437963
+Zelda has been rumoured for a long time and Most Universal rumours turn out to be true.
+--- 2438140
+>>2438120
+Kek
+--- 2438146
+>>2438133
+>Zelda has been rumoured for a long time and Most Universal rumours turn out to be true.
+
+Except the instances where they arent like Pokemon in kidz zone. It could just me an expansion of Hogsmeade for all we know. 
+
+Whatever it is, I seriously hope they consider an elevated walkway that connects the two parks so people aren't locked to the 50 minute train or walking way the fuck out of the park. This is perhaps the best chance they will have at doing this.
+--- 2438154
+>>2438146
+Have they even made clear what the long term plans for kid zone are? The things I've seen so far look very short term
+--- 2438155
+>>2438154
+We have no indication aside from dreamworks characters being on the construction walls. They are still demolishing the fievel area, curious george, and woody coaster. We wont know anything until they're far enough along they have to file permits with the state.
+--- 2438168
+>>2438062
+There's Fairy Fountains, but I'm not sure how much interactivity you could get there. 
+
+>>2438120
+Kek that would be hilarious
+--- 2438171
+>>2438168
+It'll be just like the game. Kids approach them and get pulled into the fountain and SS'ed by a giant cake fairiy.
+--- 2438261
+>>2438133
+I still wonder how they'd even tackle a Zelda themed area. Looking at Super Nintendo World, doing a Mario area is easy: it has a pretty set-in-stone style, and Mario and Peach and everyone always looks the same. On the other hand, Zelda and Link have different designs in every game and the Hyrule the games take place in vary wildly between games. So what's the plan? Base it on a specific game, or try to distill the franchise into a general Zelda look that encompasses all the highlights of the franchise? They could just make it Breath of the Wild since that's the most recent game, but I think a lot of people would be disappointed it's not the good old green tunic Link. I personally think a more classic fantasy theme would work best, something more like Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess.
+--- 2438265
+>>2438171
+The one time in my life I'll be a disney adult and ride a kid's attraction
+--- 2438284
+>>2437933
+Zelda is fucking gay and if you like it you're a fag
+--- 2438334
+>>2438261
+Twilight Princess is what I think of when I think of Link.
+--- 2438375
+>>2438261
+oot/mm look would be the safest, followed by botw
+maybe a ww/ph/st train ride or boat thing.
+--- 2438409
+>>2438261
+In the earliest SNW layouts for the Kids Zone spot (when Kirby and Zelda were crammed in there in addition to Mario and DK), they were putting the focus on Hyrule Castle and the Lost Woods.
+--- 2438732
+>>2437933
+I wish I didn't skip it last time I was there.. won't be back there in time. It was dated and corny but the water tunnel was the reason to do it (when it was working). The exterior theming is excellent. They definitely could re-use a lot of it with a Zelda makeover but I'd rather they do Zelda justice from the ground up. Re-theming dueling dragons to HP was a mistake. Flying unicorn retheme to hippogriff was ok. The tavern retheme is the only thing that was successful for me as far as convincingly rethemed. Zelda also needs Hyrule castle and being bunched up next to HP, I'm not sure how that would look. I agree this area is probably best used for a HP expansion and making that pathway between parks would be a great idea. What will be the fate of Mythos?
+
+When Universal does Zelda (wherever they do it), it's going to be BotW. That's the best-selling Zelda game. It sold well in Japan where the series was never as successful as it was in the West. They're not doing Twilight Princess or OoT or toon Link.
+--- 2438759
+>>2437440
+I trust that USO has a plan to update and improve that park even if it's a departure from the original working movie studio concept and is a bunch of IP lands. That's still better than the Epcot situation.
+
+The best thing Disney did with the Epcot 'transformation' was cancel those unfinished projects. These were expensive bandaids that wouldn't meaningfully affect crowds or improve attendance. Just a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere. Whatever future world is called these days, without its original identity it's just a mess. The best they can hope for is make the best of a bad situation and cope with it. They're not gonna just tear it all down but that's the fate it really deserves at this point.
+--- 2438772
+>>2438759
+Even with teacups being the wrong pick for Poppins, World Showcase does need more capacity.
+--- 2438774
+They're putting Figment into that Disney Kart Racer
+
+https://twitter.com/DisneyParks/status/1646166859668963333
+--- 2438780
+>>2438772
+Then they should add more restaurant and shops. That's what people are back there for anyways. I haven't really had a problem with congestion there ever, it's just the food lines and restaurants that require reservations well in advance.
+--- 2438782
+>>2438759
+They should have just done what has been proven to work at EPCOT and fully lean into the different countries theme and fill out the rest of the lakefront with different nations. You can work in IP where applicable. Now they're doomed to EPCOT just being a park that occasionally gets an E-ticket ride every decade or so that has nothing at all to do with the park itself and would better fit elsewhere. Disney is just the fucking worst but they survive based on brand dominance at this point. 
+
+>>2438732
+BOTW makes the most sense because the expansive hyrule allows you to add thematic elements from all of the games kinda like how mario land features small pieces of all the games despite being primarily themed to 3D world. 
+
+I just don't think overall it's the strongest theme though. I'd rather see something insane out of left field like Godzilla, Batman, or Stranger Things, but only if those IPs absolutely bring it in the ride department. Lots of available IPs disney cant touch due to their bitchy womanchild landwhale autist demographic
+--- 2438783
+>>2438780
+>be at Universal
+>want to get food
+>get food, maybe a 20 minute wait if it's dinner time
+>dab in the direction of Disney
+--- 2438789
+>>2438783
+>be at universal and want food
+>go on app and order food
+>go on ride
+>food is ready to be picked up after
+>eat it on a bench overlooking the lagoon
+>dab on mousecucks
+--- 2438811
+>>2438783
+You can also usually eat at table service restaurants like Mythos at IOA or Sharks Underwater Grill at SWO without a reservation. Maybe Disney is a victim of their own success but I think there are other factors here. If you need to mobile order quick service hours in advance, you need more restaurants. Crazy Disney people also make reservations just because they can and never eat there which is sometimes why you can luck out and they take walk-ins at quick service. But places like DHS, they need more places to eat and places for people to sit while they eat.
+--- 2438818
+>>2438811
+>which is sometimes why you can luck out and they take walk-ins at quick service.
+I meant table service
+--- 2438870
+Conference about Disneyland Paris happening in a few minutes. We might get some updates on the new expansion.
+--- 2438900
+>>2438782
+If they wanted to be like Epcot, all they have to do is fill the lagoon with festival booths like SeaWorld does.
+Fear Factor's been gone a while and its replacement was cancelled. Kidzone is being worked on now, World Expo/MIB is next on the chopping block and Simpsons will be gone by 2028. That's half the park.
+--- 2438905
+>>2438900
+I dont think you understood what I was saying. I'm saying EPCOT should have went harder on the various countries and expanded it around the lake rather than just half of it. The only reason people go there is for the alcohol tour
+--- 2438910
+>>2438870
+Big announcements! Please be excited!
+
+>Following the other parks getting a toontown makeover and new ride Paris is getting... it torn down and replaced with a Pixar meet and greet. Despite the other park having a dedicated Pixar area.
+>Nautilus (walk through) re-opening, 30th anniversary getting a finale with more drones(!!!). 
+
+That's about the only new announcements.
+--- 2438913
+The absolute state of Mousecucks
+--- 2438920
+>>2438913
+I really can't believe they did this. I won't believe it until it's opened. Will the theme park vloggers be afraid to say that they liked it better before?
+--- 2438923
+>>2438920
+Have you seen Disney's creative board? 
+
+It's only downhill from here and we aren't going to a laughing place
+--- 2438947
+>>2438905
+LOL no I missed that completely. I thought you means USO. Sorry about that. Thought you meant USO should copy Epcot and fill out their lagoon with countries.
+
+In that case I fully agree, they really should have more than Western Europe, Japan, China, and NA and have plenty of plots for it that are either unused or have temporary structures like trailers with offices on them. This would spread people out and take the load off the restaurants and shops, but on the flip side they would have to higher more people and probably did that math and figured it wouldn't increase attendance by much. They have traditionally relied on international workers getting paid nothing to staff that half of the park though. I think lack of interested sponsors was also one of the factors for them not filling it out
+--- 2438966
+>>2438774
+hopefully they put in park-based tracks too
+--- 2438968
+>>2438910
+wait Disneyland Paris didn't have a ToonTown
+--- 2438980
+>>2438968
+They had a "Toon Studios" area in the WDS park that served as its loose counterpart, complete with a studio gate backdrop that had the Toontown hills in the distance.
+--- 2438981
+>>2438980
+Ah.
+I figured a small pixar expansion was coming ever since they soft-launched the "Worlds of Pixar" land last year
+--- 2439000
+>>2438910
+Hey come on, there was other stuff too! Like uh... A Coco retheme of a restaurant. And footage of the build process on Frozen, which has barely made any significant progress at all.
+--- 2439007
+Universal : Hyrule
+
+Basically build 2 rides
+1 is a fishing pond, and allow guests to wade out into the centre of the pond if they so like.
+
+2 is a Water Temple.
+Basically you fuck guests into a pool, provide them with no help or clues to get out. Let them solve it
+--- 2439052
+>>2439007
+I prefer a BOTW family launched coaster based on the death mountain carts that you propel with bombs
+--- 2439301
+>>2439000
+The quick service restaurants in Paris are terrible, this will also be terrible.
+--- 2439442
+>>2438913
+Presented without comment
+--- 2439458
+>>2439442
+I'm not sure if this is blackface or vore.
+--- 2439704
+>>2438913
+>>2439442
+T-they can still salvage it, right?
+RIGHT??????
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g00kEcGh4j8 [Embed]
+--- 2439722
+>>2439704
+The absolute mongoloids are apparently not having Facilier. Even a drooling retard could tell you having the friends on the other side lead up to the drop was the one thing to do in the re-theme, but it's just going to be Mama Odie's shack (why the old bag tries to fucking murder you, who knows). Maybe they're lying to keep it a surprise, or maybe someone will get their head out of their ass and put Facilier in, but don't hold your breath.
+--- 2439723
+>>2439704
+>>2439722
+Unlikely because it's all been confirmed that the lift is not spooky. The bottles in the ceiling match >>2438913
+
+Enjoy diversity training mountain
+--- 2439729
+>>2439723
+>Visit kindly old black woman.
+>She hurls you off a fucking mountain.
+What did Disney mean by this?
+--- 2439906
+>>2439704
+This whole scene is so fucking good.
+So of course the imagineeggers will do nothing to include or even reference it.
+I fucking hate disney so much.
+--- 2439972
+Bros, how fast do go karts go? When I go to Fun Spot they're included in the day pass.
+--- 2440008
+>>2439972
+I remember the Orlando one having two types of cars and one was for adults and went faster. I don't know how fast though but it was fun. And we had been drinking beforehand.
+--- 2440055
+https://twitter.com/bioreconstruct/status/1646994657979629568?t=LL5tDc3Eab80yCuPFX-W6g&s=19
+
+Lots of good aerial pictures in that guy's timeline of Epic Universe today
+--- 2440113
+I went on that Web Slingers ride at DCA yesterday. The sign at the front said it was a 60 minute wait but the wait actually ended up being 2 hours. Lightning Lane was a mistake. Anyways, I am very displeased with the attraction itself. Some screens and you're back in the station within 5 minutes? Bugs Land was much better.
+--- 2440361
+>>2440113
+It's ultimately just way too fucking short. There's no excuse for it to be over so soon
+--- 2440510
+>>2440361
+It's also mogged by an attraction that's 23 years older.
+--- 2440567
+>>2438774
+Dreamfinder and SMRT-1 are part of Figment's pit crew in this image posted from the game's official discord.
+--- 2440578
+>>2440567
+>F2P
+
+Hard pass
+--- 2440603
+>>2440361
+I thought the ending was a fakeout. Then I saw the station again and me and my brother said "that's it?" to a cast member
+--- 2440616
+>>2440603
+It would have cost them so little to make the ride longer, should have had a finale with the ride vehicles moving and chasing a boss enemy.
+--- 2440659
+Sup dickheads
+Im going back to Disney (Orlando) later this year.
+Whats the craic with tipping over there. Whats an expected, vs reasonable vs too high amount.
+
+I know its a touchy subject, but I dont want you yank cunts taking the piss.
+Recently saw a Reddit Thread devolve into chaos because some cunt was all up on his high horse boasting about tipping on average 27% every mea.
+He was basically shouting down others who tipped less than this, until somebody came in saying they tipped 35% as standard and Mr 27% was a cheap fuck.
+
+These sorts of numbers seem insane
+--- 2440660
+>>2440567
+Is that my motherfucking nigga Sonny Eclipse
+--- 2440674
+>>2440659
+That is a 100% larp, if you feel the need to tip, stick to 10%, especially around the Orlando tourist spots. I promise you they do just fine.
+--- 2441219
+>>2440616
+it also needs variability.
+It's all screens, surely they can add multiple scenarios for people to shoot through like Star Tours.
+--- 2441319
+Post your most painful "Never ever". 
+
+I'll start
+--- 2441334
+>>2441319
+Bro, I was there, but I was too scared to ride.

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@@ -0,0 +1,101 @@
+-----
+--- 2434811
+How to i emigrate to SEA as a yuropoor. I am sick of my shithole country which will collapse soon anyway. How do i move there as an ESL?
+--- 2434824
+>>2434811 (OP)
+>which will collapse soon anyway
+what makes you think that any SEA countries are less likely to collapse?
+what do you think a "collapse" is anyway?
+--- 2434825
+>>2434811 (OP)
+I’m not helping you because this was initially my plan. I spent $1,250 on an in-person, 4-week TEFL course, and when it came for the rubber to hit the road, I tucked my tail between my legs like a coward, blew the rest of my savings on hookers, and returned home in disgrace.
+
+I was too socially anxious to handle any of it. It was a nightmare.
+--- 2434828
+>>2434824
+>what do you think a "collapse" is anyway?
+for most straight white men its seemingly when minorities get slightly more human rights than what they previously had
+--- 2434833
+>>2434811 (OP)
+>I am sick of my shithole country which will collapse soon anyway
+
+Your mind on memes. If Russo-Ukrainian war proved anything it's that the west is much stronger than all doomers would have us believe. But anyway, to answer your question, there are tons of russians in SEA right now escaping a country that actually is collapsing. This has been impacting immigration policies. For example, getting an education visa in Thailand was super easy and no questions asked. Now they are checking if you are actually attending classes. Argentina got so pissed with them that they are now refusing to issue new visas for newborn "Argentinians" with flyover russian parents.
+--- 2434849
+>>2434828
+Understandable when you look at the state of the countries these minorities are coming from
+--- 2434852
+>>2434849
+then you are no better than them for wanting to move to another country
+--- 2434853
+>>2434828
+>for most straight white men its seemingly when minorities get slightly more human rights than what they previously had
+
+Are you American? For some reasons Americans hate straight white men now, but only in public. They secretly love them. Why is that? It doesn't make any sense to my European mind.
+--- 2434854
+>>2434824
+My country has active terrorist groups, massove riots, 10% unemployment, no industry and the majority of people living in poverty. A collapse is imminent.
+--- 2434855
+>>2434833
+Only the US and the anglosphere in general. Mainland europe and my country in particular is an irrelevant shithole soon to be torn up by war. I am leaving this sinking ship.
+--- 2434878
+>>2434852
+Not really, white people have massively improved places they've gone to
+--- 2434920
+>>2434854
+Which country is that? I thought France, but France does have industry.
+--- 2434925
+>>2434825
+Larping retard
+--- 2435117
+>>2434920
+its france
+>fr*nce does have industry
+lmao no it doesnt
+--- 2436074
+>>2434811 (OP)
+Can i move to cambodia if i am not an anglo?
+--- 2436209
+>>2435117
+france is in the top 10 manufacturing countries in the world. it is either 3rd or 4th in europe, after germany and italy and around equal with the uk, depending on the metric you use. just because you're not aware of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
+--- 2436234
+>>2434811 (OP)
+French are unwelcomed anywhere Maurice
+--- 2436764
+>>2434878
+200 years ago yes, now? fuck no, multiple 3rd world shitholes' housing goes up because digital nomads move in and buy a load of real estate
+--- 2437209
+>>2436209
+>france is in the top 10 manufacturing countries in the world. it is either 3rd or 4th in europe
+no its not its actually one of the most desindustrialized countries on earth.
+--- 2437213
+>>2434824
+t. knows nothing about the demographic dividend
+--- 2437219
+>>2437209
+Exports make up nearly 30% of the economy, I'm not sure what you think industry means, it isn't a synonym for working in a factory.
+--- 2437488
+>>2437219
+Most of those are just good produced in actually relevant countries and rebranded. The only economy this shithole country has is luxury bags.
+--- 2437616
+>>2437488
+Anon you’re an idiot
+And a fucking miserable one, too
+Stay away from asia. You’ll just be a downer for everyone around you
+--- 2437914
+>>2434833
+>Russo-Ukrainian war proved anything it's that the west is much stronger than all doomers would have us believe
+--- 2438019
+>>2437616
+Cope, i will escape franceshit and emigrate to SEA
+--- 2438590
+>>2434811 (OP)
+>collapse soon
+If your European country actually collapses, SEA collapse will follow immediately.
+--- 2438687
+>>2437488
+Frog if you're dumb in France you're dumb everywhere, you should kill yourself which will actually solve all your problems.
+--- 2440313
+>>2434854
+>My country has active terrorist groups, massove riots, 10% unemployment, no industry and the majority of people living in poverty. A collapse is imminent.
+
+Yeah, New York City is getting pretty tough.

trv/2434900.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,747 @@
+-----
+--- 2434900
+Southeast Asia General
+--- 2434977
+Vietnam is the best place for ladyboys.
+--- 2435093
+Pattaya destroys the soul. Everyone there is either retarded; boarderline psychopathic (or worse) but in denial about it; or emotionally numb.
+--- 2435095
+>>2435093
+>borderline
+
+I've been up for almost 36 hours on ice and smack.
+--- 2435126
+>>2435095
+Based. What are the prices
+--- 2435153
+Heading to Pattaya during the rainy season because cheap. what am i in for?
+--- 2435165
+>>2434900 (OP)
+12 days in Thailand. What should I do? Not interested in drugs, partying, or cooming.
+--- 2435169
+>>2435165
+why go to thailand?
+--- 2435202
+>>2435165
+Pick a two or three cities; coastal resorts; or national parks you like the sound of, then go exploring. Avoid Patong and Pattaya if you're not into cooming.
+--- 2435203
+>>2435169
+>why go to thailand?
+
+Yes why the fuck, I wonder, do the vast majority of tourists actually bother visiting Thailand. It's utterly baffling.
+--- 2435231
+>>2435203
+Are you going to answer or just act like a smarmy cunt
+--- 2435388
+Japan is still pricey, China can fuck off, and I don't give a fuck about Korea. Where should I go as a 28 year old White guy that's never left the US? Vietnam and parts of Indonesia look nice.
+--- 2435406
+>>2435165
+Do math problems in your room and read a book
+--- 2435433
+What is an app/website I can use to have groceries delivered in Bangkok? Also which food delivery apps would you recommend?
+--- 2435443
+anyone ever go to just train muay thai? thinking of doing that for a little bit in chiang mai. want to avoid overly touristy coomer shit. train every day, shroom shakes, that sort of thing. pros and cons? is there shit to do in chiang mai?
+--- 2435447
+>>2435165
+*opens window and tosses thread out into the street
+--- 2435452
+>>2435447
+you replied. ok what can you do in chiang mai?
+--- 2435453
+what kind of bullshit can i get into in chiang mai? all the shit. whats there to do in the north in that area? all answers, no matter how degenerate. thank you.
+--- 2435458
+How comes Cambodia is more expensive than Thailand when it is much poorer?
+--- 2435460
+>>2435443
+Why not train Muay Thai in your country?
+--- 2435461
+is Chiang Mai cheaper than Pattaya? I only care about food and drink and living comfy, not a coomer.
+--- 2435478
+>>2434900 (OP)
+Where the best places to coom in kl and Penang in Malaysia?
+--- 2435488
+>>2435461
+No, it's roughly the same in terms of accommodation and food.
+--- 2435489
+>>2435452
+Go to the tripadviser or wikivoyage page for Chiang Mai; click the 'things to do section' or whever the fuck equivalent wikivoyage has; make note of all the things you like the sound of; discard everything else.
+
+Simples, or would you like us to create an intiniary and perhaps order your ticket for you?
+--- 2435490
+>>2435478
+Dunno but I recall seeing massage shops, sometimes in hotels, mentioned a lot when researching these places years ago. I went to Pattaya in the end instead.
+--- 2435492
+>>2435458
+Dunno, the Philippines is the same. Very expensive room rates for such a shithole.
+--- 2435547
+>>2435492
+Tourist based economy.
+Think about it genius.
+--- 2435549
+Jealous?
+--- 2435591
+>>2435492
+It’s actually a good thing. It filters out most of the poor subhumans who you come across in Thailand. Most tourists I’ve met here have been cool.
+--- 2435594
+>>2435549
+Hmm. Why is there a bulge in her panties, that's weird.
+--- 2435599
+>>2435591
+>what is global rule 3
+racists should GTFO
+--- 2435602
+Has anyone been to Hoi An, near Da Nang? It looks beautiful but I'm not sure how long to stay around there for, looks small enough that you could be done in less than 2 days.
+--- 2435605
+>>2434900 (OP)
+I've seen Tinder recommended a lot over TF for Thailand. Idk, from what I've seen it's just rich westernized girls, or thots plugging their IGs
+>Don't get on here much follow me on IG
+
+That's not even mentioning the trannys
+Did 4chan trick me again?
+
+If I wanted to hear rich Asian hoes talk about feminism and fags I would've just gone to LA
+--- 2435609
+>>2435594
+Its a penis.
+--- 2435635
+>>2435460
+learn from real thais, legit coaches/padholders for current champions, much cheaper, better instruction, better experience.
+--- 2435638
+>>2435489
+no dumbass, that's obviously the first step. i want the 4chan answer for chiang mai, not stupid shit.
+--- 2435651
+>>2435638
+dumb fuck
+--- 2435665
+>>2435460
+Because it would be a fun thing to do on vacation
+--- 2435668
+>>2435169
+Visiting distant family
+--- 2435677
+>>2435609
+Oh my
+--- 2435757
+>>2435458
+Is it really? I thought Cambodia was the cheapest in the region. Is it actually Thailand?
+--- 2435762
+>>2435638
+Stay at home, you're clearly too retarded to handle even a basic country like Thailand.
+--- 2435764
+>>2435547
+>Tourist based economy.
+Oh like Thailand, Malaysia, and Vietnam where the rooms are reasonable prices?
+--- 2435771
+>>2435609
+Wrong. Girls don't have penises. It might be a tampon or something
+--- 2435815
+>>2435764
+Philippines prices are incredibly dumb but it also makes sense sorta of because the only thing the island has going for it is the number of people and therefore the amount of coming back as remittances.
+--- 2435818
+>>2435549
+No I'm into real girls.
+--- 2435873
+>>2435599
+I’m talking about the white ones, like bongs, frogs, krauts and slavs
+--- 2435875
+>>2435602
+Tourist trap. Can be done in less than a day
+--- 2435876
+>>2435818
+that is a real girl though
+--- 2435877
+>>2435771
+They do though.
+--- 2435878
+>>2435877
+No it's a man dressed up like one. Just look at the feet lmao.
+--- 2435879
+>>2435635
+While this is true, you're best off training for a month or two in your home country so you have a good handle on the basics. It would then make training is Thailand much more worthwhile.
+Plenty of people still start training in Thailand from nothing though. If anything at least make sure you have good cardio ability, training sessions in Thailand are 2-3 hours long.
+--- 2435902
+>>2435635
+As long as you are not a top level athlete, the difference won’t matter
+--- 2435923
+>>2435878
+>not a single foot were shown in the picture
+seek actual help
+--- 2435933
+anyone ever done a soapy?
+--- 2435941
+>>2435923
+Just telling that anon to look at the feet while he's fucking that man. It will immediately take him out of his delusion.
+--- 2435946
+>>2435941
+That's definitely not a man though. Looks like a girl has boobies
+--- 2435947
+>>2435651
+says the moron who recommended trip advisor and is now offended
+--- 2435948
+>>2435879
+i've trained before, i'm not a noob.
+--- 2435949
+>>2435947
+nta. You can go breathe in the toxic fumes from the forest fires gong on right now.
+--- 2435951
+>>2435949
+ive researched enough to know to avoid burn season. so again, no one here knows nothing about chiang mai. got it.
+--- 2435954
+>>2435951
+>wtf there's no expert on /trv/ about a specific place in thailand ??? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M GOING INSAAANEEEEEEE
+--- 2435955
+>>2435954
+lol. i'm asking questions in a thread, in the board for it. you perceive what you want buddy.
+--- 2435956
+>>2435955
+No you're having an autistic fit because we're not giving you info about Chiang Mai.
+--- 2435957
+>>2435956
+the only one having a fit is you and your reaction. i'm fine dude. lol. projection much?
+--- 2435959
+>>2435948
+Then go and have fun bro.
+--- 2435964
+>>2435948
+I would embarrass you if you said that to my face, not a noob, lmfao
+--- 2435985
+>>2435964
+thats good, fantastic. why is everyone an overly emotional offended person here? so strange.
+--- 2435986
+>>2435959
+yes. thats the plan. thank you
+--- 2435987
+Thread already being ruined by a couple of retards
+Unbelievable
+--- 2435988
+>>2435959
+have you checked out any muay thai gyms in the chiang mai area by chance?
+--- 2436024
+>>2435941
+that is a woman
+you can not change the truth here
+--- 2436027
+>>2435946
+Trans Pinay
+--- 2436095
+>>2435605
+TF is still the go to for me i used tinder and badoo once, badoo is a waste of time tinder is ok but TF is way more convenient especially if you pay the monthly membership. 
+
+everyone says wechat is the best but ive never gotten the hang of it
+--- 2436177
+>>2435093
+
+What causes this behavior in the people there, does Pattaya cause this or these type of people get attracted to go there like flies to shit?
+--- 2436181
+>>2435988
+NTA but have lived in CM for a while. Lanna Muay Thai is the original but looks like it has moved. When I was last there a bunch of camps started up aimed at tourists. Which one is best I have no idea, but if you're a beginner then pretty much any will do. You don't need to train with Buakaw. 
+
+CM is less glamorous than the islands or Bangkok, so your money will go a lot further. Enjoy!
+--- 2436183
+>>2436177
+Pattaya is basically a giant brothel with everything supporting brothel goers. It will have a certain effect on you but the type of people that think going to Pattaya is a good idea are the worst. They're like the scum of the west, Russia and Thailand all living in a small area.
+--- 2436185
+>>2436177
+Anonymity and a lack of accountability. Same reason why absolute psychos are drawn to 4chan.
+--- 2436212
+Not exactly a SEA question but what's the cost of living like in Seoul? I've used Numbeo but I'm looking for recent firsthand accounts of CoL. Got a US govt gig and it pays six figures including some allowances.
+--- 2436215
+>>2436212
+>Whats cost of living in Seoul?
+>I make six figures 
+Then you really don't need to ask you retarded faggot. You'll make more money than 99% of people there assuming you're not a larping faggots which is a 99% chance that you are.
+--- 2436217
+>>2436215
+Lol. I'll ask Reddit. Thanks for the reply and good luck to you in life.
+--- 2436222
+>>2436183
+whats a better place in thailand with similar or lower CoL and similar amenities? Phuket is expensive and I don't want the Bangkok city life. I just need a beach, good internet, and $0.75 beers.
+--- 2436223
+>>2436181
+so what gives? >>2435488
+Is CM cheaper than Pattaya?
+--- 2436248
+>>2435093
+I want to be emotionally numb. All I feel is pain anyway.
+--- 2436319
+>>2436181
+What do you enjoy about CM? Anything not mentioned in many of the normie travel site stuff? Thank you
+--- 2436418
+>>2436222
+Pattaya is hard to beat when it comes to cheapness for whatever reason, but if a beach is a must, then I'd check out Hua Hin. It's where the old king used to spend holidays, so a nice little city sprung up around it, mostly dominated by Scandis now. 
+
+It's touristy but not in your face and I've never seen hookers there. I'm sure they exist but it's not like walking street Pattaya. 
+
+If you can do without the beach then there are heaps of places. Pretty much anywhere that's not Bangkok would do you. 
+
+>>2436319
+I haven't been there for years, I first went in 2010 when the whole digital nomad thing was still quite rare. It is (was?) just a chill place to live. You could rent a place for $150 a month (just checked my old place and it's still 5000 baht a month haha), spend $1 on lunch, $5 on a high end dinner. 
+
+If you're on western money it's like earning a million dollars a year back home. There were heaps of cafes, it's easy to get around by motorbike, you can hire coaches cheaply if you want to learn something and the dickhead element you get in Phuket/Pattaya is pretty minimal. 
+
+I'm not sure what it's like now. In 2017 the vegan bikers were there, the Chinese started coming in huge numbers because of some movie and insufferable "digital nomads" started coming in droves. Not to mention all the annoying crypto bros. The locals are a bit simple compared to the people in Bangkok. 
+
+One guy I knew ran a restaurant there and sold som tam at the Sunday market. I'd know when he'd had a really good Sunday because he just wouldn't open until Wed/Thu and would then complain that no one came to his restaurant. 
+
+Because it's cheap and not really a place for cooming, you tend to get the quiet schizoid types rather than the mental psychos you get in Pattaya. People who are retreating from life for a while on $3000 savings. Interesting place for sure.
+--- 2436423
+>>2436418
+>Pretty much anywhere that's not Bangkok would do you
+
+alright, let me narrow it down. cheap and good internet.
+--- 2436431
+Hey, I'm visting nam in august for mongering. Any recommendations? Will be staying around District 1
+--- 2436434
+>>2434900 (OP)
+test
+--- 2436469
+>>2435764
+The reason for the Philippines being pricier is because it had the highest tax on accommodations in the region.
+
+>>2435815
+You’re actually retarded
+--- 2436478
+>>2436423
+There's good internet pretty much everywhere now. I work remotely and had problems when I first went to Thailand in 2008 but these days 1GBPS connections are common and cheap. 
+
+Krabi town is a bit touristy but might fit the bill. Otherwise check out Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai or maybe even Lampang. If you like people a bit more brown and stupid you might enjoy Isaan. 
+
+I once slept with a girl from that region who pointed to South America when asked where Thailand was on a map of the world. 
+
+Phitsanulok up north might be another place, or Uttaradit if you like things even more rural.
+--- 2436497
+Why are motorcycle rentals highly variable in price in Bali? Some cost around 150k for the one I want, others cost 80k for the exact same bike. How come? Is there something I’m missing?
+--- 2436500
+>>2436497
+You are missing the obvious fact that you are required to haggle with brown people.
+--- 2436516
+Ahh my retarded thai gf keeps joking about me having money. That shit is such a turnoff for me why does she keep doing it aghaghaghaghagh
+
+She is going to find her ass dumped if she keeps doing it.
+--- 2436525
+Are thai condoms really small? Should I buy normal sized condoms before flying over there?
+Maybe if I buy thai condoms I can say they are too small to fit and then go bareback.
+--- 2436527
+>>2436525
+You have to read the box. Most will say 47mm which are way too small for western dicks. Thais have some of the smallest penises in the world. I had to buy the 51mm. My dick is 6"x5.1".
+
+EVEN THEN the damn condom broke and I creampied a bar girl. We had to get plan b. After that she told me to just not even bother with a condom and pull out next time. Thai bitches don't care about STDs at all. It's why they all have HIV.
+--- 2436528
+>>2436478
+have you ever been to pai? i plan on training in CM most of the time, but hear you can get some shrooms/weed in pai. anything else you recommend to do in CM besides eat good, nature, temples, that sort of thing? appreciate the responses bro
+--- 2436529
+>>2436418
+>when the whole digital nomad thing was still quite rare
+Add this to my ever-growing list of reasons to kill myself. I should probably feel like a hypocrite for being angry that other people are doing what I want to do and that so many of them beat me to it, but I don't care. The fact that there's no escaping other Americans anymore is soul-crushing.
+--- 2436596
+>>2436528
+I went to Pai in 2012 and it was ok for a weekend. Even back then it was full of dickhead hippies who couldn't wait but tell you about how spiritual they were. I bought a mushroom shake there and it didn't do anything. Found legit ones down south years later though. Worth a visit but I couldn't stand the place for more than a couple of days, maybe would be different if you were 18-21. 
+
+What to do in CM? Go get a soapy at Sayuri, watch the local boxing fights, head down to Spicy for some working class locals or Warm Up for the more well to do girls. Ride a motorbike up Doi Inthanon. 
+
+>>2436529
+Don't let it worry you, it's more the concentration in CM that made them stand out. You can go to Bangkok or KL or Penang or somewhere and still be drowned out by normal people.
+--- 2436611
+>>2434900 (OP)
+Stay here long enough and you will eventually end up with a wife and baby. Which actually worked out well for me. Bonus points for residency.
+--- 2436687
+>>2435549
+>tattoos
+Hell no
+--- 2436692
+>>2436611
+Trannies and prepubescent kids can't get pregnant.
+--- 2436696
+>>2436692
+The usual hot take from a retarded and impoverished peasant who has never traveled in his life.
+--- 2436697
+>>2436696
+That, or just a shitpost.
+--- 2436698
+>>2436696
+Way to stand up for your daughterwife bro.
+--- 2436700
+Bros, is $1k/month enough to live comfy on the beach in SEA while I drink myself to death?
+Second question, how can I get this without working?
+--- 2436709
+>>2436698
+You will never travel. You are too poor, too scared, too stupid to leave your grimy, filthy peasant hovel. You come to these threads as a coping mechanism for your dull, shitty life that you chose, and you try to neg men who got out there and did something else.
+
+Your absolute normie tier faggot opinion has been heard thousands of times before. You will never find out that you are wrong, because you will never have what we have: freedom to go places.
+
+Stay poor. Stay stupid. Stay away.
+--- 2436711
+>>2435458
+It's actually so poor and shitty that importing anything is expensive as fuck, and they don't produce barely anything locally fit for tourists to consume.
+--- 2436729
+>>2436711
+>and they don't produce barely anything locally fit for tourists to consume
+Explain?
+--- 2436730
+>>2436700
+Please help. I know somebody here knows.
+--- 2436777
+>>2436709
+Wow you must be pretty badass using words like "neg" living in a turd world hellhole with a gook bug for a wife and a goblin mutt for a kid
+--- 2436779
+>>2436692
+Minors and underage children can receive pregnancies.
+Trans women can indeed be pregnant.
+--- 2436781
+>>2436687
+>incel reply
+--- 2436786
+>>2436529
+>The fact that there's no escaping other Americans anymore is soul-crushing.
+Cheer up, we're not all so bad
+--- 2436796
+>>2436781
+I'm temporarily an incel these days in the literal sense that I'd like to be having sex and I'm not, but I've had a lot of sex with a lot of women including two trannies. I just think tattoos are ugly and unpleasant and indicative of an annoying personality. That leaves more for you though nigga so knock yourself out.
+--- 2436809
+>>2436796
+Tats are erotic since it tells more about the person itself.
+There is a reason why our ancestors have tats.
+--- 2436896
+>>2436809
+>it tells more about the person
+Yes that it certainly does.
+--- 2436913
+because life is so short, should I cheat on my gf? Or is this an argument to remain loyal whilst still here on earth?
+--- 2436914
+>>2436913
+Is she a white woman you intend to reproduce with? Is she sweet? Does she make you happy? 
+
+If it's a retarded seamonkey just go for it, those are a dime a dozen.
+--- 2436929
+What's the best "degenerate" to stuff to do in Pattaya if I'm going there for two weeks boyos ?
+--- 2436930
+>>2436929
+2 chicks at the same time
+--- 2436932
+>>2436929
+Don't fuck any children please. Just get drunk and high and coom in some adults of whatever gender you're into.
+--- 2436933
+>>2436929
+Depends on how morally corrupt you're willing to become, and I mean that in all seriousness.
+--- 2436934
+>>2436933
+Go on...
+--- 2436935
+>>2436933
+How about corrupt but doesn't want to rot in jail ?
+--- 2436955
+>>2435549
+Yes, I wish I passed.
+--- 2436975
+>>2436929
+Week 1 Nut inside some 18 year old 4' 9" 80 lb bar girls.
+Week 2 pay those same legal loli bar girls to peg you (they will, enthusiastically)
+--- 2436979
+>>2436729
+Cambodia has a very limited domestic food and beverage manufacturing and packaging industry.
+--- 2436980
+I told my family today I'm spending a month in Thailand with my Thai gf this year. They were all really supportive.
+--- 2436982
+>>2436932
+There aren't any kids to fuck in Pattaya and no the occasional 16/17 year olds whoring around with fake IDs don't count as "children".
+
+Thais do not tolerate child prostitution for foreigners. They keep all the child prostitutes to themselves and jealously guard them from outside interference.
+--- 2436986
+>>2436932
+Thailand is NOT a safe haven for child rapists. This meme needs to die.
+--- 2437005
+>>2436982
+You sound like you've done your homework.
+--- 2437012
+>>2435605
+Tinder fucking blows.
+--- 2437014
+>>2435605
+Tinder worked for me. Thai Friendly seemed like too many gold digging hos.
+--- 2437024
+>>2436929
+Sex with a lady boy (in your butt)
+--- 2437043
+>>2436986
+Where are the safe havens for child rapists? Just curious. I'm actually more inclined to go to Thailand if this is true because I didn't want people thinking that's why I was doing it.
+--- 2437045
+>>2437044
+Well good.
+--- 2437087
+>>2436914
+incel post
+--- 2437089
+>>2436955
+post your physique i can give assistance
+--- 2437147
+Went to Bangkok, planned to stay just a few days but it's been a week, there is a lot to see. 
+Thai are generally nice. The city is messy, traffic is crazy. If you like that chaotic vibe you'll like the city. I don't have the courage to fuck hookers, afraid of illnesses. Met a cute girl with tinder, but I feel bad about doing an one night stand, she's very sweet. Did tourist stuff, was very fun. Now, I want yo to some sea town, that isn't fucking Pattaya ..
+--- 2437192
+Anyone in SG rn want to grab a drink/dinner? Hostel's kinda dead
+--- 2437200
+Is there anywhere in PH that serves good quality food? Genuine question, would like to visit but their “cuisine” looks horrendous. I eat basic but nutritious stuff, but their diet seems to be full of sugar and mystery meat
+--- 2437204
+Literally all I care about is punk and metal, and I've heard from a few places that Indonesia's punk and metal scenes are potentially the world's biggest - may as well head over there to check them out for myself
+Apparently Jakarta and Bandung are the places with the most going on in that regard so my Indonesia trip would probably centre around them. Anything else I should check out in those cities if I head over there?
+--- 2437211
+>>2437087
+ok miguel
+--- 2437246
+>>2435605
+I'm also seeing a lot of dirty, orange-colored, Australian megasluts on tinder by the way. I can smell the dirty pussy and STDs through the screen. Very disturbing.
+--- 2437253
+>>2437246
+you're better of taking your chances with a bar girl.
+--- 2437449
+So after months and months of living in Philippines, enjoying raw sex with many cuties, enjoying everything from the city life to the surf of Aurora, and even almost becoming a father....I can't seem to find an intelligent cutie 3.14 to commit to.
+
+Now, I knew flips were (very) dumb on average, but thought I could find a diamond in the rough.
+The provincial girls lack quality education, so it makes sense that they aren't faring too well.
+But the upper middle class girls+ aren't really carrying the team either; they have wealth from an entrenched position in the hierarchy, not from intelligence.
+
+Please recommend me a country to try next...
+I make $17k/month, so budget isn't a concern. Should I just go to Vietnam like my original plan was? I loved that place. The visa situation is just so booty in terms of long term stay now
+--- 2437453
+>>2437449
+>I make $17k/month
+What the hell are you doing to make that much money
+--- 2437495
+Obviously, wearing an expensive watch on vacation is probably a bad idea, but is a Seiko as much of a target as something like a Rolex because they're both stainless steel sports watches?
+--- 2437668
+>>2437495
+Just don't wear one, some street urchin isn't going to be able to tell a Seiko from a Philippe Patek before he pulls out his knife to take it from you
+--- 2437681
+>>2437668
+>street urchin
+Can't you easily turn the tables and disarm the little shit and rape them?
+--- 2437719
+Please redpill me on the differences between Hanoi and Saigon. What are the pros and cons of each?
+--- 2437746
+>>2437719
+hanoi: tea
+saigon: coffee
+
+extrapolate from there, anon
+--- 2437808
+The hostel where I stay offers a ladyboy show as a group activity. Should I go? I don’t want to watch trannies but I wanna meet new people
+--- 2437828
+>>2436929
+>>2436930
+i've had 4 at the same time in the Philippines...all related to each other, including a Mom and her two daughters
+
+>>> Be more imaginative
+--- 2437834
+>>2437449
+Kuala Lumpur is good. A friend of mine is running his business from there at the moment and has an awesome 2 bed apartment (modern, central, doorman, gym, etc.) for $800 a month.
+
+He seems to have no problem dating hot chicks who aren't whores and are actually educated. 
+
+Only problem is that there might be too many muslims for your shenanigans.
+--- 2437838
+>>2435605
+Tip for Tinder.
+
+Download a VPN/app that allows you to fake your location and start using Tinder in Thailand weeks before you arrive. Ideally on a spare phone so that you can just leave it on that location. 
+
+'Nice' Thai girls don't just want a tourist guy passing through, so you'll need to pretend that you're there longer term.
+
+I set my location to the BKK hotel I knew I'd be staying at, updated my bio to say I was in BKK for business a lot, thinking about relocating to Thailand or somewhere else in SEA. 
+
+I had a few conversations going before I arrived, and stalled them because I said I was working etc. if they wanted to meet. One of them worked just around the corner from my hotel, so the day after I arrived, we met up for coffee and the next morning she's having a friend send her some work clothes to my hotel on a scooter so that she doesn't have to do the walk of shame in the office wearing the same clothes as yesterday.
+
+I'm actually still friends with her and banged her on a few trips back to Thailand since. I just told her that I changed jobs (which is true) and don't travel so much now.
+
+Another tip for dating is to dress like you're not a tourist. If you're wearing shorts, the Thai girl will think other Thais will assume she's a hooker.
+--- 2437841
+Are STDs still guaranteed if I'm not paying for sex but still hook up with a city girl? Genuine question. Anyone caught STDs even though you weren't whore mongering?
+--- 2437842
+>>2437808
+>The hostel where I stay offers a ladyboy show as a group activity
+
+What does that even mean
+--- 2437847
+>>2437838
+I'll remember this for when I return, am currently in Thailand and also having difficulty with tinder.
+ When you meet these people do you have to keep up the lie though or they don't even ask?
+--- 2437856
+>>2437842
+That we go to watch a ladyboy musical performance. Isn’t that shit common in Thailand?
+--- 2437919
+>>2437838
+>Another tip for dating is to dress like you're not a tourist.
+How do non-tourists dress?
+--- 2437924
+>>2437919
+Not him, but from what I've seen: dress like the heat doesn't bother you, were shit like linnen, obviously no fucking cargo shorts or slippers. Also wear sunscreen so you don't become one of those white people with a shriveled up leather skin
+--- 2437930
+>>2437841
+Yes, gonhorrea is the big one in PH.
+Easy to get rid of luckily
+
+>>2437842
+>>2437856
+Yes do it. It's entertaining. Watching everyone getting weirded out is a good bonding experience
+--- 2437932
+>>2437841
+>Are STDs still guaranteed if I'm not paying for sex but still hook up with a city girl?
+"city girls" have been having less safe sex than hookers for years. That applies in both USA and in Asia
+--- 2437960
+>>2435605
+TF is basically just hookers
+--- 2437961
+>>2437681
+A trying to disarm a knife without getting stabbed is like trying to take a sharpie from a kid without getting marker on your clothes.
+--- 2438017
+Wait a second, this is just a prostitution thread.
+--- 2438027
+>>2438017
+Always has been
+--- 2438030
+>>2437847
+DESU they're pretty happy to just have fun and enjoy the moment once they meet you. They just don't want to tell their friends or be seen with tourists because it's considered slutty. I usually just tell them work has put me on another project so I have to go home. Expect them to keep messaging you for months afterwards hoping that you'll come back soon.
+
+>>2437919
+like the other anon said, just not like you're about to hot the beach.
+
+Wearing pants or jeans in BKK might seem crazy, but it'll make a huge difference to how you're treated. 
+
+Here's a typical photo (just off the instagram page of a bar I go to), that's pretty typical for how educated Thais dress when they go out to casual bars and restaurants.
+--- 2438771
+Is it true that middle class Cost of Living in Saigon is ~$1500/month? Is it worth it to get a remote job in Singapore and live in Vietnam?
+--- 2438790
+>>2438030
+Asians are lucky, they don't sweat as much.
+--- 2438797
+>>2435549
+Yes.
+
+I can't understand how you can be straight and say no to that.
+--- 2438804
+>>2437453
+Lying on the internet is easy and free. I regularly lie about making 10k a month on biz, but I actually make 2k a month only.
+
+If this guy is actually that wealthy and couldn't find a quality girl in PH, then he is grade A stupid and will fail everywhere.
+--- 2438821
+Are SEA people afraid to talk to others and interact with strangers like how Americans are in America
+--- 2438835
+>>2435169
+Most tourists now don't go to Thailand for those things.
+--- 2438931
+>>2438835
+Where do they go for those things?
+--- 2438937
+>>2436700
+Yes. $2k and you hit luxury mode. $1k will get you some modest accommodation, good night market/street food, and about 10 beers a night. More booze if you get it from a shop and don’t drink at the bar.
+--- 2438948
+>>2438821
+Not at all. The people’s of SEA have been nothing but hospitable and friendly from my experience. It can be rather jarring if you aren’t used to it.
+--- 2438951
+>be on HelloTalk trying to learn Thai. 
+>women start talking to me
+>3rd or 4th question is always “are you married?”
+--- 2438960
+>>2438948
+Thank god, I can’t wait to visit next year
+--- 2438962
+>>2438951
+Well, are you? Or are you a cheating piece of shit?
+--- 2439009
+>>2438962
+Nope, Divorced my cunt wife 3 years ago. Finally got everything settled out to go digital nomad in the last 6 months and am about to go make up for 7 years of neglect.
+--- 2439023
+>>2439009
+>digital nomad
+Don't fucking say this you Twitter tier faggot.
+--- 2439036
+>single guy in mid 20s
+>riding bike
+>ride past good looking girl walking by herself
+would it be creepy to double back and say, "hey, pretty nice weather we're having, right?"
+--- 2439042
+>>2439023
+What would you call it asshole?
+--- 2439044
+>>2439042
+It doesn't need a cringy meme name. Just say live overseas. Jesus fucking Christ man.
+--- 2439048
+>>2439036
+>hey, I'm looking for some nice spots to take photos. Since you have a good sense of fashion I thought I'd ask you
+--- 2439049
+>>2439044
+Shut the fuck up you faggot overreacting to fucking text on an image board like calm down
+--- 2439067
+>>2439049
+Suck my dick
+--- 2439097
+>>2439036
+Double back and ask if she wants to watch seinfeld at your airbnb
+--- 2439120
+>>2439097
+I like the confidence that gives off
+--- 2439205
+>>2438951
+Because women on there want rich BWC to impregnate them and give them a good life. HelloTalk is obviously a good way to get in early.
+--- 2439332
+ok I get it now when you people talk about how great thai women are. 
+On a related note: how easy is it to get a woman knocked up? she didn't care so I did without a condom... 3 times already. I pulled out but I'm pretty sure that doesn't make a difference. she's also my first btw so I don't know how this shit works
+--- 2439444
+>>2439332
+If your not blowing your load up her you should be fine. I've been doing that for it's my gf for years and not had a problem. Unless I'm shooting blanks.
+--- 2439569
+.
+--- 2439859
+>>2439332
+>get it now when you people talk about how great thai women are.
+
+Elaborate to us other anons. Is she a local or did you pick her up at a bar? How good was she?
+--- 2440025
+>>2439859
+NTA but they’re just super nice. They completely lack that aggressive, masculine cunt attitude that western women have. Not to say they’re push overs, they just express themselves completely different. It’s surreal if you’ve never left the states.
+--- 2440034
+How safe is it to buy 24k gold jewelry in Bangkok? Over $10k worth. Also, if anyone knows how much labor is charged that would be helpful too.
+--- 2440040
+>>2440025
+>They completely lack that aggressive, masculine cunt attitude that western women have. Not to say they’re push overs, they just express themselves completely different.
+It's sad when women behaving with tact is a completely alien concept to amerifats
+--- 2440043
+>>2440034
+Pretty sure you can have it delivered to your hotel and place it in your safe.
+--- 2440298
+Everyone on Thaifriendly is fucking ugly, don't even bother wasting your time. Also I've just arrived in Bangkok if anyone fancies a beer, I'm here for a month for work. I've had a wander by Khaosan Road today, it's fucking mental around there, wall to wall people.
+--- 2440318
+>>2439859
+She's a Thai on holiday where I'm staying right now, not a bar girl. 
+Basically in the west, you're supposed to put all the energy in to seducing them and if they deem you worthy, they reward you with letting you fuck em. Then you have Thai women who actually show you love and affection back and the sentiment is more that you BOTH want eachother. They are also very touchy. After 1 hour, she was already laying her head on my shoulder and laying in my arms
+--- 2440427
+>>2440318
+She's your first, just be careful.
+Thai women show a bunch of love. They're incredibly affectionate. They will feed you will you eat. It's cute as fuck how great they can be. 
+It's cool that she's your first, and don't let that scare you, but also understand what thai women deal with.
+Thai women deal with millions of foreigners coming to their country for sex tourism. They come, give them stuff, treat them well, lie about how they love them, and leave. So, if she shows you love, but sometimes doesn't trust you, or if she has another man in her life, don't freak out and don't take it personally. 
+if you want her, you'll actually have to prove that your serious, and it will probably take a while.
+When thai women are good, they are very good. 
+But bro, when they are bad... Just don't take anything personallly. I remember when I broke up with my first love and found in the first month she fucked 5 different dudes, that pissed me off for months. But I learned my lesson.\
+I have a thai girl too and love her a lot, but sometimes I have serious doubts about wether or not I want a serious relationship or if I want to just go to Khao San road every night and fuck random hot teens. 
+But I do know that the feeling of love is rare, if one person makes you happy, pursue it until the happiness is gone. There are always hot desperate teens to fuck (im 24 years old)
+--- 2440430
+>>2439444
+Sometimes two people aren't compatible. I had a gf for 5 years and I would fuck her raw all the time and we never had a pregnancy scare.
+I had another girlfriend who I also fucked raw, and within 7 weeks i ended up getting her pregnant. Luckily, she miscarried, but sometimes, it has a lot to do about compatibility. ive heard similar stories, but yeah, if you don't cum inside her you have a lower chance of getting her pregnant.
+But, if you're fucking a lot, precum can carry semen, and sometimes when you fuck a little cum can get out.
+I'd suggest condoms, I learned my lesson. The price of life saving surgery for the miscarriage was expensive, but shit would have been way more expensive if we actually had a baby. 
+I don't understand you guys who like to creampie random women, I would always be scared shitless, even when I fuck a girl and kick her out the next day I like knowing I used a condom so there's no way that baby is mine.
+I also had ghonorrea twice from fucking women raw and I don't want that shit again.
+--- 2440865
+>>2434900 (OP)
+Planning to go to Singapore for 5 days in June, what do you all recommend me to see? Last time I went to SG was 2 years ago.
+--- 2441278
+>>2440865
+>vandalize cars
+>get caned
+>???
+>profit!
+--- 2441342
+What's the best site/app to find a local girl to show me around Singapore?
+I don't want to coom (necessarily), just have a sweet and friendly companion.
+
+Is it weird to talk to people a week or two before I get there?

trv/2434942.txt

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+-----
+--- 2434943
+Post menu
+--- 2434947
+>>2434943
+--- 2434952
+>>2434947
+Can't make out shit. Anything weird?
+--- 2434958
+>>2434952
+None.
+--- 2435036
+>>2434942 (OP)
+How is it there in general?
+--- 2435115
+>>2434947
+Do you have a flip-phone from 2006 or something?
+--- 2435795
+>>2434942 (OP)
+Get me 2 cheesy gordita crunches anon
+--- 2435817
+get a taco bell latina gf
+--- 2435820
+>>2434942 (OP)
+>amerilard international tourism
+--- 2435851
+>>2434942 (OP)
+There's Taco Bells in America I don't trust. I would never eat one in the Philippines lmao.
+--- 2435862
+>>2435851
+This unironically
+--- 2435937
+>>2434942 (OP)
+Oooooh Taco Bell, Taco Bell, product placement with Taco Bell
+--- 2435962
+I'm not sure why I would want Taco Bell in the Philippines when the entire spanosphere shares similarities with each other's food. I could probably get empanadas and adobo anywhere in that country.
+I don't even go to the Taco Bell in my country unless I'm constipated. If nothing else, it makes for a great laxative.
+--- 2436001
+>>2435851
+>sharts in the mart
+--- 2436029
+>>2435862
+>i will not try the local cuisine from another nation
+yies
+--- 2436030
+>>2435962
+>share similarities
+>not corn based
+huh
+--- 2436031
+>>2434943
+--- 2436392
+>>2434942 (OP)
+>they still have the double decker
+fuck
+--- 2436396
+>>2436031
+seems pretty close to US prices :/ 
+
+i thought PI was cheap?
+--- 2436400
+>>2436031
+>clean
+Lol
+--- 2436454
+do they have mcdonalds,
+if yes can you plz get a big mac
+--- 2436462
+>>2436396
+All imported food costs close to price where it was imported from. PI is only cheap for pinoys living in shacks eating rice and sardines.
+--- 2436505
+Post pics of flip cuties serving you food
+--- 2436646
+>>2436454
+Coming right up anon
+--- 2436649
+>>2434942 (OP)
+K...KEEP ME POSTED
+--- 2436753
+>>2436462
+rice is also expensive btw fyi
+--- 2436765
+There is a taco bell in tokyo too. It was kinda okay for the price.
+--- 2436778
+>>2436765
+I hate fumos.
+--- 2436790
+>>2436649
+Why do people think these kinds of sunglasses make them look good?
+--- 2437017
+>>2436765
+Give me your Cirno fumo
+--- 2437072
+>>2436790
+The sunglasses are supposed to look "cool" because they're "futuristic." It obviously doesn't look good on people who are out of shape (but then again, what does?) and not even wearing cyberpunk clothes to match.
+--- 2437073
+>>2436765
+The most fascinating thing about this picture is that Taco Bell Japan serves Coca-Cola products instead of Pepsi.
+
+>KFC in Korea also serves Coca-Cola, at least in the 90s
+--- 2437091
+>>2436765
+>>2437073
+cirno if she black
+--- 2437092
+>>2436790
+Its good for cyclists and stuff.
+--- 2437169
+>>2436505
+--- 2437196
+Is there anywhere in PH that serves good quality food? Genuine question, would like to visit but their “cuisine” looks horrendous. I eat basic but nutritious stuff, but their diet seems to be full of sugar and pigeon-looking meat
+--- 2437214
+I miss Taco Bell :/
+--- 2437303
+>>2437196
+If you like meat, can't go wrong with charcoal grilled whole hog or whole chicken. Rico's Lechon and House of Lechon (same, owners just "split" up) is probably the best out there, people from all over the country fly to Cebu just to eat there.
+Everything you eat will be packed full of flavor - salty, sour, spicy, sweet, even a mix of everything.
+I like to call it poor people flavor, because if your main dish is that that strong then you will be eating a ton of plain bland rice together with it to "balance" the flavors, which means you become full quicker.
+People back at home don't eat for pleasure - people eat to be full, to not be hungry the next day.
+--- 2438357
+>>2437169
+I’d impregnate them all.
+--- 2438934
+>>2438357
+kys virgintard
+--- 2438935
+>>2437196
+>>2437303
+get out of my nation you ungrateful bitch
+--- 2439016
+>>2438935
+Aral ka muna, taena to di marunong mag basa.
+Wag kasi 4chan araw-araw.
+--- 2439059
+>>2438357
+based cubabro
+--- 2439380
+>>2439016
+nice google translate dipshit
+yandex is bad too
+--- 2439404
+>>2439380
+Ulol, pakamatay kang gago ka. Sabi na wag ka lagi mag 4chan eh, tapusin mo muna modules baka bugbugin ka nanaman ng erpats mo.
+--- 2440284
+>>2437303
+Or Mang Inasal
+--- 2440288
+>>2436396
+Philippines isn't cheap for anything except local spirits and local slop food you wouldn't put anywhere near your mouth. It's one huge rip off which makes little sense to me. A hotel will cost often the same amount as one in your country and be much less quality.

trv/2435087.txt

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+-----
+--- 2435087
+You can use AI to make your travel plans and recommendations. 
+
+Pretty neat: https://tripnotes.ai/
+--- 2435096
+Tried it, and it sucks massive dicks.
+--- 2435119
+>ask for a week in Florida
+>the itinerary for day 1 is St Petersburg - Jacksonville - Key West - Cape Canaveral in that order
+>the rest of the week never strays outside Miami
+Very nice.
+--- 2435147
+>A must-visit spot, but beware of the gypsies trying to sell you something.
+lmao I like this
+--- 2435151
+>>2435087 (OP)
+Wow this AI really likes cafes. It should ask for your particular interests to provide more tailored answers.
+--- 2435152
+>asks for a weekend plan in a city with many attractions
+>only suggestions are meals every 2 hours
+--- 2435154
+It's ok I guess. Did a couple runs for places I've already been to and it missed a good chunk of landmarks. Good for restaurant recommendations though.
+--- 2435164
+>>2435152
+kek, this
+--- 2435340
+>>2435119
+>day 1
+>450 miles of driving 
+Yeah no thanks
+--- 2435546
+>>2435087 (OP)
+>ask for philippines
+>it recommends me to eat foreign food
+wtf
+--- 2435563
+>>2435087 (OP)
+>7 day itinerary in Istanbul
+>Day 1 lunch at the fucking saltbae restaurant
+>That's it
+Fuck you.
+--- 2435580
+>>2435152
+>asked for an itinerary for Singapore
+>recommendations are very food-centric, which isn't a problem for me
+>a lot of the recommendations are for non-Asian cuisine
+>tells me to get breakfast from a bar
+--- 2435582
+>3 day itinerary of Florence
+
+Day 1
+>Coffee
+>Shopping
+>Lunch
+>Shopping
+>Dinner
+>Pub
+>Pub
+
+Day 2
+>Coffee
+>Shopping
+>Lunch
+>Shopping
+>Dinner
+>Pub
+>Pub
+
+Day 3
+>Coffee
+>Shopping
+>Coffee
+>Shopping
+>Shopping
+>Pub
+>Pub
+
+Not once did it even mention a gallery or anything.
+--- 2436685
+>>2435582
+>Restaurant
+>Café 
+>Store
+>Store
+>Store
+>Store
+>Cocktail bar
+>Restaurant
+>Restaurant
+>Café 
+>Store
+>Store
+>Store
+
+What a shitty, useless site. It's probably going to be very popular with the Instagram influencer crowd
+--- 2436807
+>>2436685
+Even this shit is beneath the Instagram crowd. It would definitely suit the TikTok crowd.
+
+>Day 1 of letting AI plan my travels Challenge!
+--- 2437433
+>>2435582
+
+Perfect for American and anglo tourists then?
+--- 2437815
+Springdale, UT, U.S.
+5 day itinerary for national parks, dive bars, hot chicks and road trips
+Day 1:
+
+Breakfast
+9:15am: Deep Creek Coffee Company is a coffeehouse with a side patio that serves healthy food for people before or after a big park adventure. The acai and miso-quinoa bowls are popular, as are the avocado toast with poached eggs and the breakfast burritos.
+
+Lunch
+12:20pm: Oscar's Cafe is a welcoming Southwestern cafe with a big, inviting patio offering stunning mountain views.
+
+Dinner
+6:15pm: MeMe's Cafe is a quaint cafe that specializes in barbecue sandwiches and sweet and savory crepes. The menu includes a cheddar bacon ranch grilled cheese, a Hawaiian sandwich with slow-roasted pork and teriyaki sauce, and the bacon and egg burger.
+
+
+Day 2:
+
+Breakfast
+9:15am: Park House Cafe is a small cafe that serves breakfast until 2pm. The cafe has an artsy vibe and is noted for its big patio with fantastic views into the park. The cafe serves vegan and vegetarian dishes as well as meat and egg dishes.
+
+Lunch
+12:20pm: Cafe Soleil is a health-food restaurant that serves sandwiches and wraps. The food is good and the prices are reasonable. The restaurant is laid back and not pretentious. The most popular sandwich is grilled panini-style with chicken breast, cheese, onion, pesto, and balsamic vinegar.
+
+
+Day 3:
+
+
+Day 4:
+
+
+Day 5:
+--- 2437816
+>>2437815
+FYI if you don't know, Springdale is the main entrance to Zion National Park, so this really shouldn't have been hard.
+--- 2437818
+>>2437815
+For comparison chatGPT (note it didn't like that my question might make it objectify women so had to rephrase)
+
+I'm going to be stating in Springdale, UT. What's a good, detailed 5 day itinerary for national parks, dive bars, socialising and road trips?
+
+Day 1: Zion National Park and Springdale
+
+Start your trip by exploring Zion National Park, one of the most popular and stunning national parks in the country. You can take a shuttle into the park from Springdale, which will allow you to see the main sites without having to worry about parking. Hike the iconic Angels Landing trail or take a leisurely stroll along the Riverside Walk. In the evening, head back to Springdale and grab a drink at Bit and Spur Saloon, a local favorite.
+
+Day 2: Bryce Canyon National Park and Panguitch
+
+Drive to Bryce Canyon National Park, which is known for its distinctive hoodoo formations. Take a scenic drive through the park or hike one of the many trails, such as the Navajo Loop Trail. In the evening, drive to the nearby town of Panguitch and stop by the Red Canyon Village for a drink at the Canyon Breeze Restaurant and Lounge.
+
+Day 3: Capitol Reef National Park and Torrey
+
+Drive to Capitol Reef National Park and explore the stunning landscapes and rock formations. Take a hike on the Grand Wash Trail or explore the old Fruita orchards. In the evening, head to the nearby town of Torrey and visit the Capitol Reef Inn and Cafe for a bite to eat and a drink.
+
+Day 4: Arches National Park and Moab
+
+Drive to Moab and visit Arches National Park, which is known for its sandstone arches and other geological formations. Hike to the iconic Delicate Arch or explore the Devils Garden Trail. In the evening, check out one of the many dive bars in Moab, such as Woody's Tavern or The Rio.
+
+Day 5: Canyonlands National Park and back to Springdale
+
+>edited for length
+--- 2439668
+>>2435087 (OP)
+the future
+--- 2439679
+>>2437816
+surprised that qualifies as a town
+--- 2440035
+>>2435087 (OP)
+You can also use Actual Intelligence if you have an IQ over 115.

trv/2435211.txt

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+-----
+--- 2435211
+I'm going to be in Europe for a few weeks and was looking into couchsurfing. How is it? Should I just cough up the money and stay at a hostel?
+--- 2435230
+It's dead.
+--- 2435292
+Just consider it bedsurfing to decide if it's for you
+--- 2435297
+You basically have to pay to be a member to get it and it's been dead for a while.
+>Should I just cough up the money and stay at a hostel?
+Yes because couch surfing has always been about interactions with the host, no one here on 4chan is willing to do that. It's not just a free bed
+--- 2435306
+>>2435230
+Really..? 
+
+Heard some people recommend it as a pretty neat way to travel some stretches due to there often being nice people on there back then (-21) there could be at least a couple of thousands available in not that big european cities.
+
+I mean I had heard about it way back when it was new but haven't had time to try it so was kind of pleasantly surprised when other travelers where mentioning it.
+
+>>2435297
+What? I knew they started this thing where you have to make a profile and all then you get reviews, stars or whatever but I thought it was still free though despite all of that was about to say nonsense but well new stuff which can probably be a good thing
+
+I've heard that some hosts just gets you the bed and that's it which could kind of suck while a lot are more social which is well a good reason for trying it in the first place
+--- 2435307
+>>2435306
+>What? I knew they started this thing where you have to make a profile and all then you get reviews, stars or whatever but I thought it was still free though despite all of that was about to say nonsense but well new stuff which can probably be a good thing
+
+Legacy accounts are still free, new accounts are "free" but it's basically impossible to get a night even with past history these days without the paid Verified :) account. You're better off paying for a hostel unless you're going to link all social media to this thing+stay fairly active.
+--- 2435314
+>>2435307
+I link nothing! 
+
+No but all joking aside I might give it a try at some point but I highly doubt that I will be paying for anything and I most certainly won't link anything isn't it more than enough to visit their webpage and get stuck with a barrage of cookies like everywhere else.
+
+Heard it could be hard to get the first night but as long as you write an ok message and dont look like a serial killer it wasn't supposed to be that hard and once you got the first it was supposed to be easier to get other ones but you mean KNJTSGit isn't that easy even with past history nowadays :(
+--- 2435315
+>>2435211 (OP)
+Lots of "nudist" faggots who just want to host you so they can eat dinner with you naked
+--- 2435323
+>>2435315
+If it happens to be a good looking woman then I for one wouldn't really mind and either way you're the other persons home so...
+--- 2435326
+>>2435323
+>If it happens to be a good looking woman
+
+You're so naive
+--- 2435334
+>>2435326
+I was sort of joking hence the "if it happens to be"
+--- 2435348
+>>2435334
+Okay
+--- 2435399
+Covid killed couchsurfing. The app wasn't great in the last couple years anyways. Once the poos and mudslimes discovered it, it was over. It had a good run though, and I had some fun times.
+>>2435315
+This happened to me in Zagreb.
+--- 2435407
+It got killed by a few things
+- Dudes using it to worm their way into some pussy. A lot of hosts were just guys after pussy who reject anybody not female
+- Decreasing guest quality. More sketchy types who can't afford. A place to stay instead of people looking for more of a social experience
+- A few high-profile rapes
+- CS.com changing to a paid model
+- COVID as the nail in the coffin.
+--- 2435418
+>>2435407
+>Dudes using it to worm their way into some pussy.
+True. A lot of faggots were using it as a hookup app and scared off legit good people. 
+>CS.com changing to a paid model 
+>COVID as the nail in the coffin.
+This happened at the same time, and was the final death blow.
+You can't ignore the issue with the brown people shitting things up though. At least in Europe, it was really bad. Abdul or Rakish would ALWAYS be on and spam EVERYONE with requests. I think there was a block function, but it was useless because the thirdies would always find a way to join the big groups on Friday or Saturday night, making things awkward. I remember a girl showed me her requests and the same brown guys would send her requests every day non-stop. We had a good laugh, but those niggers really got annoying.
+--- 2437775
+I feel sorry for the/trv/ zoom-zooms who won't experience CS at its prime. The frens, puss, adventures and network I got from it 10 years ago was unbelievable
+>Open monster can
+Those were the days...
+--- 2437794
+>>2435211 (OP)
+
+Back then 99% of the hosts were dudes looking to fuck, most of which were your average internet pervert addicted to porn/webcam sites/on sex offender lists.
+
+Half the users were dudes getting constantly rejected by hosts because they weren't female and the other half were naive/dumb or slutty college girls of questionable looks and hygiene trying to find cheap accommodations while travelling abroad. Many dumb enough to expect a free room while the other half kind of expected that they'd have to fuck to get the room.
+
+It's early days were okay actually, since you met chill hosts/families who didn't have weird motives and many were open to give you tips around the city, make you visit, even cook you nice local food. But that was before all the perverts came in and killed the scene.
+--- 2437850
+>>2435407
+>- Dudes using it to worm their way into some pussy. A lot of hosts were just guys after pussy who reject anybody not female
+
+This. And this is how I used CS, too. I had sex with many girls and it was nice. Girls liked it, too, some got really attached afterwards.
+
+I also hosted girls and 3 out of 4 cases it led to sex. Ofc, I rejected males.
+
+It was super and then it become a paid service. Stopped using it and moved on to tinder when I travelled.
+--- 2439671
+>>2435211 (OP)
+old fashioned

trv/2435322.txt

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+-----
+--- 2435322
+Any travel tips for Oaxaca? Going for 1 week in May
+--- 2435346
+OP, did that image above make you laugh? Be honest. You weren't expecting that reply were you?
+--- 2435504
+>>2435322 (OP)
+I found the Monte Albán archaeological site very much worth visiting; with just a week you can probably amuse yourself well just in and near the city if you’re not dead set on a very active holiday, but people justifiably love Puerto Escondido on the Oaxacan coast, as well—you’ll want to fly if you can afford it, as doing it by bus or car is an all-day affair (something like eight hours, some of it on pretty crap roads; when I was there there were night buses but they were discouraged for security reasons and would surely not be a restful journey). It’s tiny and not very slick but essentially a beach resort town. Gets a lot of hippies, Mexican families, and some surfers.
+--- 2435508
+>>2435346
+Hello anon, I am not OP, just scrolled by this thread and it did make me laugh.
+
+Thank you.
+-Anon
+--- 2435562
+>>2435322 (OP)
+1 week is plenty of time to see the ruins and eat Quesillo and Mole.
+But you should be going during the Guelaguetza if you're only going to visit once
+--- 2435575
+>>2435346
+Anon,
+
+I am very racist, therefore the image of the monkey with the ballooned lips did indeed cause me to chuckle.
+
+Cheers,
+Anon
+--- 2435765
+It's pretty cool for food + places to walk by with all the grafitti but I didn't feel like nightlife was worth mentioning but maybe my experience was kind of shitty since I was still blowing liquid out my ass
+--- 2435980
+Try the gay sex
+--- 2436036
+>>2435322 (OP)
+I'd recommend:
+1 day explore the city
+1 day monte Albán
+1 day explore the west valley until you reach hierve el agua before sunset (a lot to see in the valley on your way there)
+1 day take a temazcal and then honguito in San Jose del Pacífico
+Rest in the beach (3 areas to choose: puerto escondido, mazunte/zipolite or huatulco depending on what vibe you like best)
+--- 2436040
+>>2436036
+>West valley
+Sorry my brain broke for a second. That would be the east valley
+--- 2437807
+>>2435322 (OP)
+drink mezal and take in the city enjoy the colonial haciendas also straight up where nacho libre was filmed look up the places where they filmed neat little corners of mexico
+--- 2438185
+>>2435322 (OP)
+Bumping since I'd like to go there too.
+--- 2438187
+>>2435346
+--- 2438376
+>>2435322 (OP)
+In Oaxaca city, check out Barrio de Jalatlaco (in the day). Nice to walk around but nothing crazy there. It's about a 30 minute walk from downtown where you can visit the open market 20 de Noviembre. Prepare to get diarrhea, Mexican hygiene sucks.
+
+I stayed in Jalatlaco for a month in February 2021.
+--- 2440093
+>>2435322 (OP)
+Make out a will before you go.
+
+Just saying. I hope you have fun and return safely.
+--- 2440224
+Nigger

trv/2435467.txt

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+-----
+--- 2435467
+>just move every 2-3 months bro
+>just sacrifice any hopes of establishing friendships, relationships, or any kind of a social life
+>just live in shitty temporary airbnb apartments because you're not eligible for proper housing without a resident visa
+>just constantly risk being denied entry to a country you want to go to
+that doesn't seem very fun tbqh.
+why the fuck do people do it?
+--- 2435470
+>>2435467 (OP)
+Fuck off. I would kill to live in Thailand and just try every hotel while creampeing hookers. You’re just a spiritually impoverished animal, so you wouldn’t understand. Stay in your hovel
+--- 2435472
+>>2435467 (OP)
+its cheap if you do it right and your QoL is bonkers compared to hunkering down in the states for the same duration. i was never one for making friends anyways. i'm on 4chan after all.
+--- 2435475
+>>2435467 (OP)
+also
+>shitty temporary airbnb apartments 
+
+lol no. compared to what i get back in the US, i'm living in luxury. skill issue if you aren't able to get baller accommodation for multi month stays.
+--- 2435493
+>>2435467 (OP)
+>>just constantly risk being denied entry to a country you want to go to
+
+I know OP is bait but I don't get this
+--- 2435510
+>>2435467 (OP)
+The one girl I know into this lifestyle enjoys getting BLACKED hard and her main hobby seems to be pole dancing
+She has a top 10 university education
+--- 2435512
+>>2435467 (OP)
+>why the fuck do people do it?
+pay no tax, novelty.
+--- 2435519
+>>2435493
+Me neither I mean do anyone really get denied anywhere ever I mean wth...
+--- 2435530
+>just sacrifice any hopes of establishing friendships, relationships, or any kind of a social life
+hahahahaha
+--- 2435540
+>>2435470
+>>2435472
+>>2435510
+>>2435530
+so it's a lifestyle for friendless coomer degenerates?
+
+sounds fun
+--- 2435544
+>>2435540
+i'm not a coomer nor a degenerate. i just like being by myself. there's a freedom in only having a duffel bag and carry on. i don't like having "stuff" i don't like the whole "get a mortgage and a wife and a car" schtick that gets peddled nowadays. i tried that and it made me miserable.
+--- 2435689
+I just dont get it
+>have to wake up to work odd hours
+>can't go out to drink or coom inside some hot locals
+>have to book expensive hotel rooms so your shit isn't stolen
+>end up working in a hotel room
+seems mega cucked to me
+--- 2435701
+>>2435689
+>have to wake up to work odd hours
+ehh, not really. just the odd meeting or two. most my work is done offline. and depending where you're at the time difference isn't all that weird. in spain nobody goes out to eat till 9 or 10 anyways. if your in LATAM the time diff is negligible. 
+
+>can't go out to drink or coom inside some hot locals
+
+why not?
+
+>have to book expensive hotel rooms so your shit isn't stolen
+
+not really, you just get an apartment in a nice part of town that has a door man or puts you on the second or third floor. finding accommodation is a skill issue.
+--- 2435706
+>>2435701
+LATAM is really expensive when compared to good spots like SEA, also LATAM is pretty dangerous.
+>why not?
+you're a wage slave 
+>finding accommodation is a skill issue.
+Says the person spending a few hundred quid on an apartment vs a cheap hostel to lay at. 
+
+Americans are so silly
+--- 2435714
+>>2435689
+This whole post is a skill issue tbqh.
+--- 2435732
+>>2435467 (OP)
+Because most friendships are superficial. Very few people will really help you when you need it most, and these are mostly family and childhood friends. I made friends on a regular basis as a backpacker, especially because we lived under the same roof and shared pretty much all the facilities, meaning to also spend plenty of time together. There are various people I spent a couple of days with and would consider better friends than colleagues I spent 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for months with. And the biggest difference is that I would have to earn more money at home to cover my living costs, resulting in a full time job with little time and energy for friendships
+--- 2435733
+>>2435714
+YOu sound like a burger
+--- 2435754
+>>2435467 (OP)
+A lot of people do it to make people back home stuck in manual jobs seethe. some kind of GPS coordinate mogging. 
+
+ultimately you still have to work eight hours a day and no matter where you do it that will involve some suckage. why not overseas, at least for a while? but practical issues like getting a non pozzed apartment aren't that hard to solve. other issues like visas are more about being organised rather than anything else
+--- 2435800
+I did it because I wasn’t satisfied anywhere and I mistakenly confused dissatisfaction with what I was doing with dissatisfaction with where I was. That turned out to be a a major error, but it happened nonetheless.
+--- 2435808
+>>2435754
+>you still have to work eight hours a day
+Depends on your work.
+There are many full-time jobs that can be done in way less than eight hours of work, especially if you don't get distracted by coworkers and bosses. 
+>that will involve some suckage
+Absolutely, being in a new places distracts you from a lot of it though..
+--- 2435813
+>>2435706
+i put in 30 hours a week, max. 
+
+let me put it into perspective for you. a decent apartment in the US in some non-bumfuck shithole city is going to run me $2k a month with all the utilities. a combo meal at Burger King is $12. The women here, as you know, are mostly obese. So I can stay here and deal with that OR I can declare residency in a no income tax state that immediately saves me hundreds of dollars a month and then go to someplace like SEA/LATAM (shit even Japan is good because the yen is in the toilet) and get a luxury condo for less than $1000 and not even bother buying groceries because eating out is so cheap. Not to mention the women are prettier, thinner, and nicer than %99 of the women in the US. 
+
+It's not a hard call to make.
+--- 2435850
+There are very few people who are truly digital nomads
+--- 2435854
+Is it possible to have an address in the US and just not live there? The address would be just for tax reasons and my employer, but work remotely in Thailand? My employer would never know, and neither would the government probably. You'd make way more money and not have to worry about getting double taxed in Thailand.
+--- 2435857
+I would do it in a heartbeat since I work remote, but the only thing holding me back is the latency introduced when working outside the US. I already connect to a corporate VPN and it's dogshit slow. Couldn't imagine doing that while introducing even more hops.
+--- 2435869
+You're missing the point
+
+>want to see new places but spend enough time to immerse in the culture and not a three day vacation like everyone else
+>you can change your acenery whenever you want, go ocean to forest to desert to big city to quiet countryside
+>you can work tax free and the cost of living is much cheaper while your salary is the same
+>you don't have to worry about landlords kicking you out or raising rents or the value of your property, any sort of maintaince
+>you won't collect a ton of useless junk and clutter your living space
+>you live a life everyone wishes they had
+>you can be your own boss and work on your time, stress free
+>relationships fall apart, friendships end, families are toxic anyway, now you have potential to always meet new people and see who is serious enough to stay with you living ambitiously and isn't a broke bitter loser
+>every country will let you in for first world visa free, if you want to stay longer you have several options or you can see another country and come back 
+>set up a home base and you won't need local accounts 
+
+It only becomes lonely and tiresome if you let it, those issues can happen when you stay in one place too
+--- 2436034
+Alright fucktards, help me out here.
+
+>early 30s
+>spent last 10 years working my ass off on a failing business I started myself
+>no work experience outside of managing my own company with a dozen staff
+>no degree
+>proficiency in marketing, social media, copywriting, photo/video work, sales funnels and advertising
+>basic bitch knowledge of html, css and javascript and working with site builders like shopify/woocommerce
+>first world passport living in third world country
+
+How the fuck would I pivot into making money online? Do I just build a dozen React projects for a portfolio and look for freelance frontend jobs on some cesspit like Upwork? Or do I go and get an actual degree in IT/CS in some random SEA country and look for an office job? Any way I can use my entrepreneurial experience as leverage?
+
+Plz help I'm tired of providing jobs for other people and just want one for myself now.
+--- 2436087
+>>2436034
+Have you tried applying for a (junior) position at any full remote company?
+For example Scandiweb is hiring fully remote junior positions from coders to project managers.
+The initial pay will be shitty but manageable for third world standards and you can use it as a springboard for positions inside or outside the company.
+--- 2436110
+>>2435854
+Easy, just set up a PO Box at your local post office
+--- 2436113
+>>2435854
+yes
+
+this is the company i use
+
+https://escapees.com/join/
+
+it caters to boomer RV retirees but they'll set you up with a legit physical address. thing is, to declare residency you also need (should) to get a drivers license and register to vote. there are other similar services out there and they'll scan your mail and send it to you. the IRS doesn't give a shit about state income tax, the revenue department of whatever state you might live would, meaning, don't work from California or New York or anywhere that has an aggressive revenue department. 
+
+>>2436110
+you can't declare residency with just a PO box in most states.
+--- 2436195
+>>2436034
+>do I go and get an actual degree in IT/CS in some random SEA country
+Don't do that, if you want a degree without being stuck in the US to get it you should do WGU or another fully online program that is US accredited
+
+>>2436113
+This. I use the same company and recommend them, got my drivers license and everything.
+--- 2436202
+>>2435467 (OP)
+I've been digital nomading for three years now. I'm honestly getting tired of visa runs every 2 months. I'll be looking at staying somewhere for 6 months.
+--- 2436206
+>>2435706
+>LATAM is really expensive
+Wtf? No it isn't.
+--- 2436289
+>>2436206
+I just looked places want upwards of 50 dollars for a hotel or stay, compared to taking holiday in SEA that's robbery.
+--- 2436353
+>>2435467 (OP)
+thats because the reality you created in your head is fake
+making friends as an "expat" is easy as fuck. 1 fb post and i have 20 people hitting me up wanting to hangout. everyone, me included, gets boring the more you get to know them, so bouncing around and getting "the best of people" in the first few interractions before moving on, is really fun and good experience, you learn a lot
+logn term friendships are great but theyre based on shared goals, of which at the moment i have none, so i can't keep any friendships like that. my only shared goal atm would be doing what im doing, but ive never met anyone that wants to go where i want to go
+americans in particular think that everything in america is the best it can be. this is true in some cases, like medical is sick if you can afford the best, consumerism is top-tier, but the women.. holy fuck american women are literally the downfall of the empire. they are hideous, physically, mentally, spiritually, completely lost. so just that alone makes "expatting" around fun as fuck
+--- 2436357
+>>2436289
+once again, skill issue. Hotel's are for tourists that are going to be there for 2 weeks and book all their accommodation in advance. you get a short term furnished rental from a local website or you get an AirBnB for a few days and then negotiate with the host off-app for a discount for an extended stay.
+--- 2436451
+>>2436034
+what industry was your business in?
+if you want a sales/marketing position post discord/tg/kik my friend employs a lot of sales people that were ex entrepreneurs, almost all americans that are immigrants somewhere else
+--- 2436610
+>>2435467 (OP)
+Look, I make $1400 a month online. I would be worse off than a burger flipper in the states. In south east Asia I feel like a gigachad. t. 7 years accross SEA
+--- 2436672
+>>2435689
+Most retarded post on /trv/
+> get a seat in coworking
+> rent an apartment since you are staying long term
+> don't work retarded hours
+> hang out with the people from your office after work and on the weekends
+> coom in the endless stream of local women
+it's a simple as fuck life, you lack the mental ability to do basic lifeskills shit
+--- 2436678
+>>2436672
+are the coworking people usually fun?
+
+it's pretty expensive to join these things, not sure if it's worth it
+--- 2436682
+>>2436678
+I pay $75 USD a month for a desk and 24hr access
+--- 2436863
+>>2435467 (OP)
+I want to do 6 months in poortugal 6 months elsewhere so I can get a eu visa, but that would mean comitting international tax evasion
+--- 2436973
+>>2436610
+What do you do?
+--- 2436990
+>>2435470
+>I would kill to live in Thailand and just try every hotel while creampeing hookers. You’re just a spiritually impoverished animal
+--- 2436993
+>>2435470
+>alone fucking hookers
+>spiritually enlightened
+--- 2436995
+>>2435869
+>relationships fall apart, friendships end, families are toxic anyway
+This is absurdly cynical and only applies to people with terrible relationships. What about people with living families?
+>>2435467 (OP)
+I assume it’s for younger people in their traveling era of life.
+--- 2436999
+There is no rule that says you have to move every few months, or not maintain relationships.
+
+Don't make shit up just because you are fucking retarded and can't imagine how to maintain a balanced lifestyle while living overseas.
+--- 2437001
+>>2436993
+Let me guess, you idea of "family bonding time" means sitting around eating dinner in front of a television screen, while the talking heads tell you what to think and what to be angry at.
+--- 2437054
+>>2436610
+What do you do?! Please don’t say e commerce, coding, or drop shipping. Please just say some data entry job you found off indeed PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 
+>>2436990
+>>2436993
+Imagine two people posting the same ratshit
+--- 2437135
+>>2436034
+>Any way to leverage my entrepreneurial experience
+Only about 100. This is incredibly valuable. From the brief description I guess you did some kind of content/marketing business so why not offer that as a freelance service? Managing people and running teams is hard, so offer to startups that you'll go in, recruit, and get them a little marketing team going and run it part time for 6 months until you recruit a full time lead to replace you. Lots of demand for that.
+--- 2437254
+>>2436863
+> that would mean comitting international tax evasion
+based
+--- 2437317
+>>2435467 (OP)
+>just sacrifice any hopes of establishing friendships, relationships, or any kind of a social life
+I've lived in the same place for years now and I still have no social life
+
+When I travel, I actually make friends. Although its a brief relationship, its better than nothing.
+--- 2437486
+>why the fuck do people do it?
+Because you're looking at it in a very surface level aspect.
+
+Digital Nomading isn't for everyone some people just will not get it or handle it as well. For me it's about seeing things, places, and people I wanted to see anyways but just going to be working around that. I'm not looking to get rich quick because I could just move to a lower cost of living area and want to enjoy seeing the world while I have youth.
+
+>>2435540
+Coomers are probably the least likely to maintain a digital nomad life style as they mostly lack self control to keep doing their jobs.
+--- 2437490
+so some dude on /biz/ told me he took a coding bootcamp and had a job in mere months. Is he fucking with me? It can't be that easy.
+--- 2437501
+>>2437490
+It's not that easy now. The last two years were the easiest time to get hired in a cushy remote SWE job in the only country that pays devs good money (America) in decades.
+
+Now, not only is theres recession, but the amount of people that did nothing remote makes companies loathe to so easily give out full remote jobs.
+--- 2437516
+>>2437501
+Also worth mentioning that you're also now competing with ex-FAANG fags since the waves of layoffs keep coming
+--- 2437998
+>>2436678
+No
+--- 2438096
+>>2437516
+Most FAANGniggers fired were HR woman and other mostly useless jobs only the bad programmers got fired
+--- 2438105
+Hypothetically I decide to go to Argentina for 6 months and work remotely. However, I don't know anybody in Argentina, not even a remote connection.
+How would I manage to make friends, socialize and get laid. Asking because I'm close to landing a job like that which will pay extremely good money for Argentina standards. Also considering other South American countries like Brazil and laid-back Euro countries like Spain and Portugal.
+--- 2438107
+>>2438105
+Do you speak Spanish at all?
+--- 2438110
+>>2438107
+Nope, not a bit. Neither do I speak Portuguese
+--- 2438111
+>>2438110
+Would strongly recommend learning Spanish, man. Feel like you probably already knew that but your life will be exponentially easier even with elementary knowledge of the language, especially with an extended stay like 6 months.
+--- 2438149
+>>2438096
+Yes, but their resumes *look* good.
+--- 2438241
+>>2438111
+Will do my best to learn Spanish if things work out with the job. What's the coom situation like though? Should I just go sit at a bar and wait for women to approach or go talk to them myself?
+Essentially, is it considered socially acceptable in Med culture to strike up conversation with women that are strangers?
+--- 2438249
+>>2438241
+If you aren’t super forward as a guy in LATAM women think you’re gay
+--- 2438391
+>>2438249
+Wow that is awesome. Women here would just think that you're a creep and probably call the cops on you
+--- 2438396
+>>2438241
+>Should I just go sit at a bar and wait for women to approach
+Does this happen to you now? You probably won't look noticeably foreign in Argentina if that's what you're counting on. Argentinian girls are friendly and easy to talk to, but most don't know any more English than you know Spanish.
+--- 2438407
+>>2438396
+It does happen but not very frequently:(. However, I'm also now considering Spain as my main destination because I found out that they have a very convenient digital nomad visa.
+--- 2438410
+>>2435544
+How many friends do you have ?
+--- 2438437
+>>2438410
+I got a a few navy buddies I keep in touch with and visit once or twice a year when I’m in their town. That military lifestyle of living out of a seabag suited me quite well and what gave me the idea to be a DN in the first place. When I got out and tried to live that “normal” civilian life all it did was make me feel like I had a boat anchor around my neck. 
+
+I’ve made plenty of relationships while I’ve traveled that I consider acquaintances more than friendships just because I have pretty high standard for people I consider actual friends. 
+
+People just exhaust me, it takes energy to interact with people. Like flexing a muscle. I can do it well enough but after a while I need to recharge. Having peace trumps the loneliness the majority of the time. Don’t even get me started on women.
+--- 2438444
+>>2438407
+Probably better imo. Think you'll have a better time in Barcelona.
+--- 2438449
+>>2435467 (OP)
+studying hard so I can into teleradiology and live like a saudi prince in some thirdoid cunt
+wish me luck bros
+--- 2438455
+>>2438444
+Isn’t this where all the commies and gypsy pickpockets are? Won’t they be smug if you try to speak Spanish and not their autistic Catalán? I heard Madrid was better, is that true?
+--- 2438469
+>>2435467 (OP)
+
+The idea is nice for someone who:
+
+1. Has no friends or much family ties.
+
+2. No relationship.
+
+3. Live in a city basically full of niggers and trannies, so basically any western dump at this point, and you need a change of scenery.
+
+4. Tired of getting taxed/hustled by jewish inflation and paying thousands a month for a run down apartment while you can spend the same abroad and live like a well off person.
+
+5. Not wanting to buy an overpriced house in a city that is being overrun by refugees, niggers and troons because it's basically guaranteed that no one will pay you 1.5m plus for a house with niggers/gang members/drug addicts for neighbors.
+--- 2438473
+>>2438449
+it may pay well but absolute hell, they have software where you have to review charts every 8-30 seconds for hours a day
+--- 2438493
+Motherfuckers really do get salty when I tell them I’m a digital nomad. Pro tip: keep that shit to yourself.
+--- 2438494
+>>2438493
+They hate us cuz they aint us
+--- 2438644
+>>2435467 (OP)
+I leave every 3 months. I can get residency where my base apartment is located but I don't want to be here longer than 3 months. I just got back from 3 months in Spain, everyday was like springtime. Here, it was below -10c some days. I've never had any trouble exiting or enter any country, even when I've overstayed by a few days. I date other travelers and locals when I travel, but never residents in my base town. I don't shit where I eat. Friendships are so fucking overrated - you're just basically hanging out with some guy until he can find a weakness to fuck over. I don't talk to guys when I travel - too many of them are half-fags or just desperately lonely, and will hit you up for cash.
+--- 2438649
+>>2438455
+>Barcelona
+I won't go back there. Too many temptations and dregs. It's not just the gypsies, the locals will blatantly try to steal your ring off your finger or your watch as you walk by. I like Canary Islands. If you can find a place in Canaria away from the obese tourists on mobility scooters, it's the choicest place to be in the winter months for excellent weather.
+--- 2438695
+I'm looking forward to 30 years from now when all the nomads who didn't bother getting pensions are fucked and any government-provided pensions aren't worth shit because that's the way things are going in the West.
+--- 2438697
+Why not own a small home in a flyover state and just go back and forth every 3 months
+--- 2438701
+two people in my company have fallen for the digital nomad (sexpest sexpat) scam, both of them are intensely unlikable people
+--- 2438704
+>>2438695
+Pensions aren't really a thing in the US, outside of the military
+
+>>2438697
+Why? If you're just trying to do visa runs, there are easier ways to accomplish that.
+--- 2438708
+>>2438105
+I lived in Buenos Aires and there was like a meetuo for people to practice their english. I also made a lot of young friends SIMPLY MOVING INTO A ROOM WITHIN A "STUDENTS RESIDENCE". A bunch of kids in rooms in a huge house. Very messy but very fun. Argentinians are assholes and at the same time theyre really cool and easy to make friends with, they love migrants (Im a venezuelan but not a nigger) so youll have a great time.
+--- 2438710
+>>2438704
+The house could be a decent small investment, though buying a house right now is probably a shit idea considering the market
+--- 2438713
+>>2438473
+>sitting in a dark room doing repetitive menial tasks for 12 hours a day
+I do this anyways
+--- 2438715
+>>2438704
+>Pensions aren't really a thing in the US
+
+Are you telling me private and company pensions aren't a thing in the US?
+--- 2438716
+>>2438704
+Pensions are bankrupt anyway. Nobody under 40 is going to see it.
+--- 2438723
+>>2438715
+There are 401k's, but that's it. Pensions had been declining since the 80's for many reasons, but ever since the 2000's there are basically no companies offering pensions.
+--- 2438725
+>>2438701
+>two people in my company have fallen for the digital nomad (sexpest sexpat) scam, both of them are intensely unlikable people
+So what's the problem? You no longer have to see them and they get to fuck as many brown girls as they want
+--- 2438733
+>>2438723
+Wow I had no idea, the future is going to be mental.
+--- 2438761
+>>2438695
+I personally look forward to the pension pyramid scheme collapsing and people having to rely on their own savings again.
+--- 2438786
+>>2435467 (OP)
+>just sacrifice any hopes of establishing friendships, relationships, or any kind of a social life
+
+I tried the dn thing for a bit but stoppd because of this. It's the worst part and why people in their 20's shouldn't do this full time. But as you get older friendships become fickle. Every starts getting married and having kids. Once that happens you just barely ever see them again. All my friends are moving into that stage right now. For whatever reason I'm not (probably too ugly and awkward) and life has become incredibly lonely.
+
+I'm probably going to get back into the dn life soon. Might as well be lonely in a warm beautiful place than my small snowed in apartment
+--- 2438787
+>>2438761
+I wonder how many nomads will accumulate adequate savings before their 50s or 60s.
+--- 2438800
+>>2438787
+As long as they have real jobs and aren't just producing various forms of spam to grind out 1k/month, then probably more than the people back home getting buttfucked by US prices.
+--- 2438802
+>>2438786
+Now to be honest, wouldn't it have been similar if you had stayed at home?
+--- 2438838
+>>2438725
+Nothing I guess, there was a point in my life when this idea had some appeal but realizing those are the caliber of people that would constitute my social circle cured me of any such thoughts permanently
+--- 2438839
+>>2438710
+> buying a house right now is probably a shit idea considering the market
+If you're market timing your home purchase you're doing it wrong, that shit is for speculators and scumbags who chain buy 5 houses on leverage expecting to declare bankruptcy if the house of cards collapses before they can cash in
+
+While we're at it, "investing" and "day trading" are different things, you're welcome
+--- 2438857
+I don’t know how they afford it. I planned to quit my job and travel for a year or two after saving about $30k, but AirBnBs are $3k per month or more. I imagined $30k would be enough for at least a year given normal rental rates, but with AirBnB I’d run out of funds in less than 9 months.
+--- 2438863
+>>2436993
+>alone
+>having sex with someone else
+how?
+--- 2438864
+>>2438787
+Imagine waiting to live your life until 70.
+--- 2438888
+>>2438857
+The trick is not using Airbnb for long stays but instead as a first homebase to check out local offers.
+>>2438863
+>implying sex with a prostitute isn't multiplayer masturbation
+--- 2439124
+>>2438838
+It's like you imagine all the unlikable people you know who became digital nomads or remote workers have moved to the same place and hang out in the social circles, as though everyone who becomes a digital nomad just moves to the same neighboring town. The world must seem very small to you.
+--- 2439129
+>>2438787
+I nomad BECAUSE it saves me money
+
+>save %10-14 right off the bat because I declare residency in a no income tax state
+
+>travel only to places like SEA, LATAM, or Eastern Europe where the dollar reigns supreme
+
+I’m banking more than I ever did in the states AND I’m living like a king. 
+
+>>2438857
+
+Where the fuck are you trying to go? UK or Germany or some shit? I get dope ass AirBnBs for <$600 a month.
+--- 2439132
+>>2438715
+Only the government and the railroads offer pensions
+--- 2439134
+>>2439129
+>not building physical equity in land ownership
+lol
+--- 2439136
+>>2439134
+>implying I’m not
+
+Why would I want to stick around and pay a $1500 a month mortgage when I can get some other cuck to pay it for me?
+
+For $1500 I can sit in a beach condo, eat out and get drunk every night.
+--- 2439138
+>>2439136
+So you aren't investing it into property gotcha
+--- 2439139
+sounds just like ordinary travel except with online work. migratory winter nomadism is probably the easiest annual pattern - follow the birds south and then lead them back north.
+--- 2439142
+>>2439138
+don't forget to pay your rent (property taxes) so you don't get evicted
+--- 2439143
+>>2439142
+Not hard, especially when you have a room leased out to your friend to pay for it and make passive income on the side. Unless you live in commiefornia, it shouldn't be more than 2k for a normal house per year.
+--- 2439144
+>>2439138
+Nigger what? I just said I had a rental property. What the fuck do you consider “investing in real estate”?
+--- 2439145
+>>2439144
+>condo
+lol, just lol. Buy some actual land
+--- 2439146
+>>2439145
+And sleep in the dirt? Grow some corn? What should I do with it?
+--- 2439147
+>>2439146
+Build a house on it, buy land with a house on it, lease it out to be farmed for profits(yes this actually exists), etc.
+--- 2439149
+>Try to escape the matrix 
+>Move to Cambodia to creampie cuties
+>Got one pregnant
+>Now have to support her and the baby and the hospital bill and pay for a marriage 
+>On a $1000 salary
+
+I think I just dived deeper into the matrix and there's no way out at this point. But I can at least get higher up in the matrix than where I'm at right now. Bros I need remote work with a US company. Literally anything. Where do I find these famous remote jobs at? Linkedin seems like a bust, a lot of the jobs want you to be in the US. And the other jobs are scams. Making 12 bucks an hour and bringing home 2k a month instead of 1k a month seems like a life saver right now.
+--- 2439153
+>>2439149
+>digital nomading on a salary less than 70k/yr
+People seriously can't be this stupid can they? How do you enjoy the better places around the globe like Scandinavia? Iceland/Greenland? New Zealand? better cities in europe that aren't gutter trash? Maldives? etc.
+--- 2439154
+>>2439147
+The whole point of real estate investment is getting access to the most premier form of leverage average jack offs have available AKA mortgages. The actual type of real estate is irrelevant. Buying real estate straight cash is peak retarded unless you are doing fix n flips.
+--- 2439159
+>>2439149
+>Move to Cambodia to creampie cuties
+>Got one pregnant
+Did nobody tell you the plan is to leave before you find out about that?
+--- 2439160
+>>2439154
+> The actual type of real estate is irrelevant. Buying real estate straight cash is peak retarded unless you are doing fix n flips.
+WHY YES I DID GET MY FINANCE DEGREE FROM /BIZ/ HOW DID YOU KNOW
+
+Getting a house for about 100k, 3br, leasing out 1-2 to pay the morgatge and property tax for a long term investment as you travel is piss easy. It's also generally will increase in value unlike physical currency or buttcoin.
+--- 2439168
+>>2439149
+Why didn’t you have protected sex
+--- 2439169
+>>2439168
+Cream pies bro….
+--- 2439175
+>>2439153
+the point is that you can save money while living like a king in a thirdie cunt
+--- 2439176
+>>2439175
+You can also live like a king in the US by living in the midwest with a normal 60k/yr job, what's your point.
+--- 2439177
+>>2439176
+nta but living in the Midwest sounds grim
+--- 2439178
+>>2439175
+This is entirely it. Experiencing new cultures? Lol whatever dude, who fucking cares. I like being able to kick it in a fat crib for $500 a month, eating steak and lobster every night, and banging smoking hot prozzies for $70 a pop. Temples? History? “Seeing the sights”? Do not give a solitary fuck. Now bring me another $0.75 beer.
+--- 2439180
+>>2439177
+Why? 
+>bunch of nature
+>decent smaller towns and cities
+>cheaper cost of living, food, goods, etc
+>can own a home with ease
+>don't have to deal with the BS of a big city
+>save money to travel for half the year or more
+>>2439178
+coomers are retards, if you need to pay for a whore to shag just fucking lol
+--- 2439181
+>>2439176
+> You can also live like a king in the US by living in the midwest with a normal 60k/yr job, what's your point.
+
+The fuck you can. Food costs are pretty much the same across the country. The only thing you get a bit cheaper is a house and that’s because you’re living in a brown wasteland that hits -20 in the winter. No thanks, I’ll take my apartment in Pattaya or Buenos Aires.
+
+Oh, not to mention state income tax. Nope, registering my home of record in SD and dodging that shit.
+--- 2439183
+>>2439181
+>Food costs are pretty much the same across the country.
+The food costs in El Paso are far below that of LA.
+> No thanks, I’ll take my apartment in Pattaya or Buenos Aires.
+Who says you can't go there for 3-6 months out of the year or more? 
+>Oh, not to mention state income tax.
+So what if you make any kind of cash over min wageslave it's a non issue. I make 95k, it's not that big a deal especially in a state with no income tax like TX.
+
+Git gud
+--- 2439184
+>>2439180
+>bunch of nature
+Like many other areas
+>decent smaller towns and cities
+Suburbia hells aren’t decent. If there are good cheap cities Midwest I’d love to hear about them 
+>cheaper cost of living, food, goods
+Like any developing country but without all the culture
+The Midwest is just boring man
+--- 2439185
+>>2439176
+No you can't. I am currently posting from the midwest... It's a complete meme that it's cheap to live here.
+--- 2439188
+>>2439183
+> Who says you can't go there for 3-6 months out of the year or more? 
+
+Why come back at all?
+
+>el paso
+
+Yeah, sorry, show me a single bar I can get $0.75 beers or a $4 steak dinner. I’ll wait.
+
+>not that big a deal
+>%10+ not that big a deal
+
+You know the more you make the more they take right? It’s not a big deal to you because you only make $95k. 9 grand, big whoop, sure. You break $150 and $15k fucking stings.
+--- 2439189
+>>2439184
+>Suburbia hells aren’t decent. If there are good cheap cities Midwest I’d love to hear about them
+Have you ever looked at housing in TN, or just searched around on Zillow for things? 
+>Like any developing country but without all the culture
+Yeah I am sure people in this discussion are going for culture >>2439178
+Ya niggers are poor broke retards just wanting to coom. 
+>>2439185
+pic rel, no HOA, brand spanking new, 3br so it would be easy to lease out 2 of them to some friends. 2 friends paying 600/mo for a room would pay for everything the cost of the house could accumulate.
+--- 2439190
+>>2439188
+>Yeah, sorry, show me a single bar I can get $0.75 beers or a $4 steak dinner. I’ll wait.
+Convert it into the local cost of living with the local income. No shit exchange rates mean shit, dip down to ciudad across the border and get some cheap shit. Though I'd rather cook my own food like a grownup.
+
+>You know the more you make the more they take right? 
+texas
+income tax
+pick one retard
+--- 2439192
+>>2439189
+>here is this crackhouse in the south
+>this is proof that the midwest is cheap!
+Huh? What the fuck are you smoking?
+--- 2439196
+>>2439192
+Whatever you say coomer, at least it will be something to come home to later in life, is paid off by room mates, and can be sold down the road. If you don't own a home with most of it paid off by the time you're 28 I dunno what to tell you other than lol.
+
+Even as I've been DN'ing for 5+ years I understand the importance of something to fall back on if my job were to go poof and shit hits the fan, I still can have a roof over my head.
+--- 2439199
+>>2439196
+> I understand the importance of something to fall back on if my job were to go poof
+
+You mean like savings or a stock portfolio or literally any dozen other financial instruments? I’m not knocking home ownership but don’t act like it’s the be all end all of safety nets.
+--- 2439200
+>>2439196
+>Digital nomading is bad!
+>but I'm doing it
+>living in the midwest is cheap, you should do that!
+>but I'm not doing it
+Straight up schizophrenic. You should try learning how to string together some coherent sentences.
+--- 2439201
+>>2439199
+>You mean like savings or a stock portfolio or literally any dozen other financial instruments?
+Yup all those along with some physical assets, most importantly a home that can serve many purposes in times of need is among one of the strongest to have.
+
+>>2439200
+Just because you are a DN doesn't mean you can't own a home, rent out a room or two and make additional passive income, and when the time comes to stop doing DN you have something waiting for you. Buying a house to secure yourself and equity is a smart move. My point was to prove it's not exactly expensive to buy a house in the midwest nor is the cost of living "the same all over the us" as that anon said. 
+
+Who am I kidding I'm talking to people who couldn't get laid at an applebee's.
+--- 2439202
+>>2439201
+>My point was to prove it's not exactly expensive to buy a house in the midwest
+...
+I'm starting to believe that you don't know where the midwest is.
+--- 2439216
+>>2439201
+>NOOO YOU CANT JUST NOT COME BACK!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A “HOME BASE” IN THE KEKED STATES! NOOO COOOME BACK DONT ESCAPE!
+--- 2439230
+>>2439216
+It's a good idea to have invested in if for some reason countries close borders and the world decides to go to shit. Not to mention a place to store your belongings, mailing address, and let your friends just maintain for you while gone.
+--- 2439297
+>>2435467 (OP)
+because they want to
+--- 2439386
+>>2439189
+This looks like somewhere a slave would live after running away from their master
+--- 2439433
+>>2438888
+I’m near a big city though, and there are almost no short term offers. The short term offers that are out there charge a fortune for the short term lease and furnishing. 
+
+>>2439129
+Last place I looked was in and around Philadelphia to visit family. The cheapest AirBnB I found in a safe area was $3k per month.
+--- 2439436
+>>2439149
+The only way out of the matrix is to be rich enough. You need enough money to not be able to worry about housing, healthcare, or payments resulting from a divorce or child. Basically, you have to be a multimillionaire at least. That’s what that retard Tate forgot to mention.
+--- 2439438
+Digital nomadding does seem appealing but at 30 I worry I would just be wasting my life relaxing in SEA. Then again, I worry my life will be wasted because I made it this far without achieving much anyway. People that don’t waste their lives set out on their life tasks before 30 after all.
+--- 2439440
+>>2439438
+Just don’t have any kids by mistake or get an ex wife who siphons half of whatever you have and you’re probably fine
+--- 2439441
+>>2439440
+I think I’ll be fine if I do have kids by mistake too. But fine isn’t really fine. Nobody really wants fine.
+--- 2439454
+>>2437054
+None of those three or teaching
+--- 2439478
+>>2439433
+>AirBnB in the states
+
+Welp, there’s your problem. Sublet off Craigslist instead of AirBnB
+--- 2439479
+>>2439438
+>wasting my life
+>relaxing
+
+Wut?
+--- 2439567
+>>2439441
+The key is to stop wanting for more and to learn contentment, only then can you be truly happy
+--- 2439945
+How do you even negotiate a remote only contract?
+--- 2439952
+>>2439945
+You look for companies that are commonly overlooked and therefore have difficulties recruiting.
+--- 2439985
+>>2439945
+Be overqualified and/or take a paycut.
+--- 2439989
+>>2439952
+Such as?
+--- 2440004
+>>2439985
+I did this, 15k paycut for full remote. After six figures 15k doesn't mean a whole lot but full remote is always a winner
+--- 2440011
+>>2440004
+You make it all back by dodging state taxes and living in a low CoL country for a few months.
+--- 2440090
+>>2440011
+Exactly.
+--- 2440109
+>>2439945
+>>2440004
+>>2440011
+>You make it all back by dodging state taxes
+Careful, many companies are only hiring remote employees with a nominal address in certain states for tax purposes. Your home base in SD may be great for taxes, but it's not so hot if keeps you from being hired in the first place. Something like Texas could work, where a decently-sized remote first company is likely to already have employees.
+--- 2440145
+>>2440109
+>many companies are only hiring remote employees with a nominal address in certain states for tax purposes
+If the state you're in doesn't have state income taxes, how is it any more work for the company?
+--- 2440207
+>>2436993
+Good goy. Just keep wage slaving for mr goldberg and let us travelchads cream all the sluts.
+--- 2440211
+>>2439945
+Get converted to remote during COVID-19 lockdowns and insist you’re not going back. It worked for me. I technically am not supposed to leave the country, but that’s pretty standard. The only truly remote workers are contractors.
+--- 2440212
+>>2439478
+Still few and far between, only 6 months, and very expensive.
+--- 2440253
+>>2439438
+>I worry I would just be wasting my life relaxing in SEA
+if you're sensible enough to be thinking this, I think you'll be good. go there for a vacation, get it all out of your system, then come back. Don't have to stay for long, and you can always go back
+--- 2440365
+Digital nomading is very attractive to me, but I could never do it. A single guy deciding to spend a year in Spain or a Latin American country implies sex tourism. My friends and family would never look at me the same way again.
+--- 2440393
+>>2440365
+kinda sad to care about what others think of you. are you a woman or in your 20s?
+--- 2440395
+>>2440365
+what do you mean, just lean Spanish while you are there and talk about about the cultural experiences and the food. It's easy noy yo look like a sex tourists but most guys are retarded when it comes to this. Weebs are probably the best at this because they talk so much about random shit they love about japan you never really think about how they went their for some Japanese pussy.
+--- 2440542
+>>2440145
+It isn’t. It’s pretty much invisible to management because it’s something you change in whatever payroll system your company uses. You can use a friends or parents address on initial hire and just swap it over in your onboarding. They won’t even notice.
+--- 2440552
+>>2440212
+Are you looking under the Sublet section?
+--- 2440565
+>>2440145
+I won't pretend to be familiar with the specifics, but I have heard from multiple companies, "sorry we're only hiring in NY, NJ, XX, XY, etc." 
+
+IIRC, this is done for tax purposes.
+--- 2440566
+>>2440365
+>Spain
+Though Spain has world-class prostitution, it is NOT known as a sex tourism destination. Just say you're going to learn the language, and enjoy the weather and lifestyle the way all roasties do. 
+
+But you're a troll, so I shouldn't be responding to you anyway. 4/10 for making me respond.
+--- 2440583
+>>2440566
+>Spain has world-class prostitution
+Deets?
+--- 2440759
+>>2440583
+https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=escorts+spain
+--- 2441229
+Is there some good guide/tips on being a digital nomad? like how to deal with banking etc and other stuff?
+
+I want to move to Mexico because cost of living is cheap and I love Latinas. I work remotely and time zone is the same but what is a good bank to use to move money around and take it out at ATMs?
+--- 2441239
+>>2441229
+Just use a bank account in your home country. Pick one that offers good exchange rates (like revolut etc) and use that. Getting a local bank account is a massive pain and to be avoided.
+--- 2441241
+>>2441239
+Make sure to get multiple cards, e.g. a Revolut, a TransferWise, Charles Schwab both as a backup as well as to not be tied to a specific bank.
+--- 2441249
+>>2441229
+>what is a good bank to use to move money around and take it out at ATMs?
+Schwab is good because they refund all ATM fees and always give good exchange rates, I think Fidelity does too but I haven't used them. Chime is also supposed to be good. I would also have a credit card that doesn't charge foreign transaction fees.
+
+>mail / taxes
+>>2436113
+--- 2441271
+>>2441249
+IMO go for chime unless there is some kind of really big thing schwab has changed. I used schwab for a while but it kinda sucks. The mobile app and shit you can do with the e-card and not needing to actually renew the card is really really nice.
+--- 2441291
+>>2435467 (OP)
+Frankly if you have stable remote job its fucking awsome for couple months, especialy when youre young. You can travel do some job (best of its not full time or you can do full time in like 1/2 or 3/4) and have some bonus money because you dont that much cash like in your prg country (its the idea)
+>have 2 apartments, I rent one, if I had some stable remote job, even like 2k dol i would probably just go abroad even for like 6 months/year.

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+-----
+--- 2435468
+What are the most remote, isolated places on the Earth you have visited? How long? Did you enjoy?
+--- 2435494
+>>2435468 (OP)
+Lom Sak/Khao Kho. I saw no more than 5 white people the entire two weeks I was there.
+--- 2435502
+>>2435468 (OP)
+point nemo
+the gift shop was rubbish tho
+--- 2435685
+What you recommend in Seoul?
+Best places to get some fine Korean girls.
+--- 2435725
+New Zealand is your answer, you cannot get more remote than that and there are no predatory animals so you can just hide in the mountains, mild winters.
+--- 2435728
+Iskateley, Nenets Autonomous Okrug. Pretty cool stuff.
+--- 2435739
+>>2435468 (OP)
+Some remote tribes in Australia. I was hitchhiking when a local nurse picked me up on her way there. Went through rural places in India and saw kids that seemingly never saw white people befire. There are also various places in SE asia that have rarely ever been visited by foreigners - bring some drawing utensils and medicine if you decide to go there
+--- 2435748
+>>2435468 (OP)
+I live in a globohomo megacity and like getting into remote places as a contrast
+
+> Greenland
+If you like arctic stuff like icebergs, musk oxen and isolation then this place delivers. Any roasties with you will be most upset by how the inuit treat sled dogs like the tools they are instead of pets. I was there for just under a week which I felt was enough. Moving between settlements is difficult - I would seriously consider getting a cruise here instead of flights if you can find one with an agreeable itinerary. 
+
+> Faroe Islands
+Another Danish dependency. Far smaller than Greenland but you can get around the isles easily and there are no ice caps in the way. I spent a fortnight there which was maybe a couple of days too long. Plenty of nice day hikes. If you are into birds time your visit so you can be surrounded by puffins on Mykines. Make a point of visiting the less visited islands. 
+
+> Svalbard
+Starkly beautiful, was here for 5 days which was enough. Polar bears are a real danger here, you can as a tourist hire firearms with the right paperwork but I wimped out and paid for guided visits. 
+
+One of my friends has been to Jan Mayen and I'm supremely jealous. I'm saving up cash for a cruise that takes in a bunch of South Atlantic islands and Antarctica
+--- 2435838
+>>2435468 (OP)
+My brother just got back to the US from La Laguna, Cauca, Colombia. I highly don’t recommend going there or even near there unless you know someone.
+--- 2435856
+>>2435725
+Tasmania too, a remote island at the edge of the world
+--- 2435911
+somewhere around 66.8750556, -146.2346460, I think
+--- 2435916
+I live and work in Antarctica. I am not the only poster on /trv/ who does. There's also a guy on /out/ who's with the BAS, but as far as I know the posters here are with the USAP.
+
+Obviously its as remote as it gets but it certianly does not feel isolating. Socially it is much better than the real world in many, many ways.
+--- 2435932
+>>2435916
+>Socially it is much better than the real world
+Is it true what they say about the biblical level of fucking that goes on at the research stations there?
+--- 2435960
+>>2435838
+well, go on
+
+>>2435916
+incalculably based. are you there year-round?
+>Socially it is much better than the real world in many, many ways.
+I suppose this is to some extent in the eye of the beholder, but what I've heard boils down to binge drinking and promiscuity with a 3:1 male-female ratio, which doesn't sound that great to me senpai.
+--- 2435963
+>>2435960
+
+It’s very remote and basically there are commie rebels in the jungle and along the roads, there are coca crops being protected there by cartel. It is one of the “Do not travel” places from basically every first world country government. If you know people there they can go around and tell the bad guys not to kill or kidnap you. If you just showed up as some random white guy it would be super dangerous.
+--- 2436490
+>>2435468 (OP)
+>Marquesas some month
+Best place to go when ww3 will start
+--- 2436569
+>>2435916
+Sup bitch email me back.
+
+>>2435932
+Yes. There's a lot of desperation though, even moreso than on a military deployment. Gotta be chadish either personality or physically if you want to get lucky unless you're going to bang some hairy snatch fat leftist hoe. 
+
+>>2435960
+Nah, it's not that. What >>2435916 is saying is that because there's not the distraction of smart phones so you get to know a lot of people through social interactions and the fact everyone live in dorms and (most) eat in the galley. 
+
+And a few people do a year round stint there. It's not that common, and USAP will deny (most) people from doing more than a year. The gal I was with there did a summer-winter-summer deployment but she was the head of one of the important sections there so she was given a waiver to pull that off. 
+
+>>2435468 (OP)
+OP the most remote place I've been is the village of Khinaliq in Azerbaijan. They didn't have a road connecting it to the rest of the country until like ten years ago. The people there have been isolated for thousands of years and have a language entirely unique to them which doesn't stem from any other language so it's popular with linguistic researchers. 
+Pic related
+--- 2436597
+Nord, Greenland. 
+The northern most manned outpost on earth. It's where the Danish send out patrols with sled dogs to assert sovereignty.
+
+Just a few huts and an airstrip on the coast. Flew in on a C-130 from Thule, and then off to the Arctic ice pack via a three engine turboprop converted DC-3. 
+
+On the ice, though, I only got within 48 miles of the pole. Weather hampered a helicoptered meet n greet with the US Navy. sub at the pole.
+--- 2436644
+>>2436569
+Oops should have said most remote besides Antarctica, I'm just retarded
+--- 2436872
+>>2435468 (OP)
+Anyone been to Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt Rock? Is it worth the trip?
+--- 2436900
+>>2435468 (OP)
+I’d like to go to Antarctica one day as a pilot. Don’t think it’ll happen, but still.
+--- 2436901
+>Gobi Desert, Mongolia
+It's a desert. Not very exciting unless you like bumpy rides and getting stones in your shoes
+
+>Svalbard
+Touristy, but pretty cool. A friend worked as a guide so got some free trips
+
+>Arkhangelsk
+My Uncle threw a weeding party there. Actually a really cool place. Cool people, easy to get drunk. Much better than Murmansk and those run down Kola peninsula hell holes.
+--- 2436903
+>>2435468 (OP)
+nunavut 
+3 months 
+it was good. a little bit enlightening. a lot boring.
+--- 2437123
+>>2436900
+Join the New York Air National Guard if you really want to fly down there.
+--- 2437183
+>Anaktuvuk Pass, Alaska
+Solo hiked for four days down a valley. No humans around, got some nice snowfall despite it being summer. Awesome.
+>Wakhan Corridor, Afghanistan
+Still inhabited, but no roads leading up to the actual Wakhan valley, pretty much so cut off from the rest of the world, hiked the length of the valley in two weeks.
+>Lake Baikal, Siberia
+Went hiking/ice skating across the lake twice. Once you leave Olkhon or Listvyanka behind you, there's nothing. The world is reduced to very few colours too, there's no colours other than white, grey, black and blue other than your own gear. Except for sunrise or sunset, which can pretty amazing, somethings with garish hues, sometimes with subtle pastel tinges.
+
+Also been to some remote-ish corners of Iceland, Central Asia, Greece and visited oodles of small villages all over Africa, but I wouldn't call those remote, even if contact with the outside world is limited in these places and they see very few tourists.
+--- 2437190
+I always wanted to travel along the northern coast of Russia, can it be done?
+--- 2437275
+Couple times both to Easter Island and Galapagos, each trip by scientific research vessel. 
+
+Lots of random and remote locations on the ocean, such as sending instruments down into the Mariana Trench. Few times to Antarctica. 
+
+10 times into North Korea, including being the first American to cross the Tumen-Namyang North Korea/China land border.
+--- 2437743
+>>2437275
+>including being the first American to cross the Tumen-Namyang North Korea/China land border
+I doubt that unless you are an oldfag.
+--- 2437750
+>>2435838
+Colombian here and agreeing that rural Cauca is as dangerous as you can go in that shit hole. Well done
+
+>>2437743
+I would say the opposite, they only started opening the land border in the last decade
+--- 2437898
+>>2437743
+>oldfag
+
+I'm a legendary oldfag - I was a North Korean guide and one of the part owners of Young Pioneer Tours back in the early 2010's
+--- 2437902
+>>2437275
+>>2437743
+>>2437898
+
+>>2437750
+>I would say the opposite, they only started opening the land border in the last decade
+
+Here I am making the crossing...
+--- 2437908
+>>2437898
+> I was a North Korean guide and one of the part owners of Young Pioneer Tours back in the early 2010's
+How'd you get started doing it? What was dealing with the government officials in starting the whole thing like?
+--- 2437921
+>>2437908
+I planed and was group leader for two custom DPRK trips with Koryo Tours in 2011 and 2012. On those trips I met the YPT guys and ended going with them to Iran, with Gareth (the founder) and I doing some further travel leaving Iran and crossing into Armenia together for some tour route development - after that I was part of the team.
+
+For the most part you deal with your KITC (Korean International Tourism Company) guide/counterparts. I had my own favorite guide, Miss Yu, who I enjoyed working trips with but I didn't always get her assigned to my group. Overall no big deal, the main goal for all concerned was to have a successful trip with the happy and satisfied guests, and for the North Koreans getting good tips and gifts. Miss Yu introduced me as a friend to a customs official at the Pyongyang Airport, so It was pretty cool to get jump the line VIP treatment on arrival with my groups, of course gift bottles of whiskey helped with that too.
+
+There was some minor cloak and dagger stuff involved in it all, having back door access into the Beijing North Korean embassy to pick up the travel permits and having our contact give us packages to bring across the border in the Rason SEZ.
+--- 2438065
+>>2437750
+Americano in Cauca. They said he was like the first American there in 30 years. Some French guy was there for some reason 10 years ago.
+--- 2438091
+>>2438065
+Why visit La Laguna specifically? I used to live in Popayan but never strayed that far off the beaten path.
+--- 2438137
+>>2437921
+So you and Miss Yu, huh...
+--- 2438153
+>>2435468 (OP)
+This was in 2012 but the most remote place I've ever been to is Niue. My only motivation why I went there is to find out if they were really using currency with Pokemon in it. They didn't, but there are plenty of cool things I experienced there.
+
+>There was only 1 flight per week to/from Auckland so basically there were very few tourists. I also had my first handwritten boarding pass when I left Niue.
+>I met their premier Toke Talagi on the first day and even invited me to their dinner party of some sort. I also found out that the place I'm staying at was his childhood home.
+>The waters of Niue is, by far, the clearest blue I've ever seen. Limu Pools is a great place to snorkel. I even swam with dolphins which was absolute kino.
+>Niue is absolutely unique as it doesn't give off a beachy vibe unlike other Pacific islands. Yes there are beaches, but the caves and rock formations are worth seeing & are virtually untouched thanks to few tourists.
+>Prices, however, aren't that cheap. Expect the prices in groceries & restaurants like the ones you see in Aus/NZ.
+>There are many Flips here surprisingly.
+I haven't traveled to Polynesia since then after this trip. Polynesia is super underrated so I hope to explore more soon. (eyeing on Tonga currently)
+--- 2438594
+>>2437921
+We're gonna need more Miss You pics, hombre
+--- 2438620
+>>2438594
+>We're gonna need more Miss You pics, hombre
+--- 2438621
+>>2438620
+--- 2438623
+>>2438620
+--- 2439244
+>>2438153
+Never heard of... How are locals?
+--- 2439277
+>>2438620
+Nice... So how far you were able to go?
+--- 2439336
+>>2439277
+I got a lot further in a back hallway with one of the lamb BBQ waitresses, but so did a couple other guides which was a bit of let down on that achievement....
+--- 2439365
+>>2437743
+he is a legend on this board and used to be a guide to NK. shared lots of photos here, so fuck you faggot
+--- 2439421
+I've been to Johnston Atoll. There were five of us with no resupply for six months on a 1 square mile island, 750 miles from anything else. Towards the end of those six months I felt very ready to get back to civilization, but it only took a few days before I was longing to go back.
+
+Also spent a week on Isla de Navarino doing the Dientes and Wulaia hikes. Only really remote in terms of latitude though with a big city right across the channel.
+
+Pic is the SW corner of Johnston. Just beyond the trees to the left there were a few hundred thousand nesting sooty terns.
+--- 2439843
+>>2435468 (OP)
+The most geographically isolated of all the places I've been would be the Azores, splat bang in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, but not very difficult to get to. Spent 10 days on São Miguel, which was a bit too much for just the one island, I want to go back there and island hop to the other eight. It's one of the most beautiful places I've been to, honestly.
+
+These "off the beaten track" places that probably don't see a whole lot of white people aren't as remote, but harder to visit
+>Ma'an, Jordan
+Small desert town, me and a mate went because the Jordanian 5 dinar bill showed a picture of the "Ma'an Palace". It was hardly a palace, but a fun adventure regardless. We later learned the town is something of an Islamist hotspot.
+>Umm Qays, Jordan
+Roman ruins in the far north of Jordan, you can see Lake Tiberias and the Golan Heights from there. Took several hours to get there with public transport, going back I was super lucky as I just happened to exit the ruins when the bus arrived. Jordanian buses don't run by timetables, so I was prepared to just wait for a few hours until it showed up.
+>South Lebanon
+As a foreigner, if you want to go further south than Tyre, you need a permit that's not necessarily easy to get from the military administration in Sidon. I befriended a Lebanese girl who lived down there, she talked us past the guards. We drove along the Israeli border, which was mostly just a fence, I had expected more concrete walls. Quite surreal to see the Israeli settlements just across the border. Also saw Mt. Hermon, which still had snow on it in May.
+--- 2439856
+La Jagua de Ibirico, Colombia
+--- 2440129
+>>2439336
+Lmao I appreciate the honesty. Do you think either Ms Yu or the waitresses were either spies reporting back on any actions you made or they were trying to get a husband to GTFO NK? 
+
+The third, last alternative would be that even in fucking Juche North Korea there are roasties who are gonna roast which makes it way more hilarious/depressing
+--- 2440631
+>>2440129
+>Do you think either Ms Yu or the waitresses were either spies
+
+No, they were in the tourism industry which was basically a state business to bring in hard currency. I'm sure Miss Yu had to make reports and I'm sure there were plenty of reports on me through my work there. Miss Yu was a good friend and I never tried anything with her. I didn't know If I would see her on trips in, just a pleasant surprise when I would get to Pyongyang and find her waiting for my trip at the airport. We would often talk about her love life, efforts to find a good boyfriend, and other everyday aspects of living in North Korea. I know her father was very high ranking and powerful, I think she had been to Malaysia, and probably would have the ability to find a duty assignment international if she had wanted. She liked tourism because she had easy access to western films so she could be familiar with English, and of course the goodies. She still had to go off on yearly ideological work/study retreats with her co-workers in the off season, which was something she didn't really enjoy.
+--- 2440668
+>>2440129
+>The third, last alternative would be that even in fucking Juche North Korea there are roasties who are gonna roast which makes it way more hilarious/depressing
+
+The waitress was with the Lamb BBQ restaurant which would also cater picnics at the nature parks near Pyongyang. Those girls were on duty to show a good time with singing, dancing, and being flirty. I had danced with the girl on my first trip at a very beer heavy lunch at an ultimate firsbee tournament, and on my second trip where after another beer heavy lunch she surprised me with an on the lips kiss as everyone was getting pictures with the girls and heading to the bus. I thought it was pretty damn crazy, but then I heard she had done it to two other guides. I think I saw her one other trip and she did not kiss me but I did get some hugs and a little bit of a hand hold. She was one of my favorites and I brought her a foreign makeup kit as a gift but she wasn't working on my following visits. The girls said she was pregnant, but I really worry she had gotten herself in some trouble - obviously she had a strong sex drive and I hope she is OK and busy keeping her man satisfied and not shipped off to some camp. 
+
+I'm not going to post a photo of her/us, instead here is one of Miss Yu at the ultimate frisbee BBQ first trip.
+--- 2440673
+>>2440129
+Not him but I suspect its similar to how East Germany operated. There are many levels. On the bottom you have people who are rewarded or coerced to inform or submit reports on others. Next up there are people who as part of their official duties, are expected to submit reports on others. The tour guides probably lie here. Above them are the actual intelligence agents.
+--- 2440688
+>>2440673
+I'm him, the DPRK guide, and I think thats a good summery of how it works
+--- 2440696
+>>2436569
+I read a couple of years ago that the internet was really slow there, is it still true? I have the opportunity to do half a year in Antarctica but if there's no internet I'd rather choose another destination.
+--- 2440877
+>>2440696
+When I was there (2021-2022) it was slower than AOL dial up. I guess they were trying starlink this past season but it's no longer there or something. The other (((Antarctica))) poster (who needs to holler back at his boy still) could answer better.
+--- 2440923
+>>2437743
+>he doesn't know about based NK tour poster
+newfag detected
+He's one of the best posters on the board. Same with the white anon who moved to India and actually posts good advice. I bet you weren't even here for the KoK debacle (full name now filtered because of it)
+--- 2440989
+>>2436872
+It's literally just a random rock in the ocean that Koreans are super autistic about. Their entire national identity revolves around defending it from Japan to the death.
+
+Japanese, just like everyone else on earth, have no clue that the island exists, can't point it out on a map, don't care, and never have. It's also not really remote since it's full of absolute swarms of Korean tourists who visit to desperately attempt to send a message to Japan.
+--- 2441234
+Barrow, AK
+--- 2441236
+>>2435725
+New Zealand isn't remote, I live here. It's just a normal country.
+--- 2441297
+i visited the "door to hell" in the middle of the desert of turkmenistan. kinda a bitch to get there. got to hire a private taxi as the public transport there is basically non existent. told the guy to pick us up in the morning, but he never came. left us completely stranded in the middle of the desert. luckily we got picked up buy someone else. it's a shame they are closing it, because it's one of the only interesting thing in that god forsaken country.
+--- 2441299
+>>2439421
+isn't that place full of radiation and chemical weapons? how do you even get there?

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+--- 2435853
+Travelling to the US as my first international trip and have two layovers in Canada, one in Vancouver and one in Toronto.
+
+The layover in Vancouver is 1:20 hours, how screwed am I in making my Toronto flight. Flying in from Australia.
+
+Pic related, flying with these guys and not feeling confident.
+--- 2435855
+Not to shit on you but Japan is right there for you bro. Probably the best country for introductory international travel. Why the US?
+--- 2435858
+>>2435855
+Japan is next, partner was just not ready.
+--- 2435864
+>>2435858
+That's fair I guess. That layover sounds pretty tight dude. If everything is booked on the same ticket you should be able to make it. YYZ (Toronto) sucks absolutely massive dick though, I will pray for you.
+--- 2435912
+What a shitty itinerary. Are you a yuropoor en route to the northeast with a stops in YVR and YYZ? Why the hell would you fly such a horrible routing?
+--- 2435965
+>>2435912
+Yes
+--- 2435989
+>>2435853 (OP)
+So, first off Toronto is a shit show. Last time I was there they decided to close down the transfer are so EVRYONE had to get out through border guards, and then get back in through another set of border guards. Of whom there were 2 people per side. Mile-long line ups, many missed flights
+--- 2437065
+>>2435853 (OP)
+Air Canada is as dogshit as it gets, hope you're at least not flying coach. I wouldn't trust a 1.5 hr international layover no matter the airline though. Where the fuck are you even going that you'd need two layovers for?
+--- 2437105
+1:20 is plenty as long as your initial flight takes off on time. The day of the week matters too. Midweeks are way slower. It helps if all your connecting flights are on the same airline. They coordinate when flights are delayed and usually hold that gate for you if it's within 10-15 minutes.
+--- 2437134
+>>2435853 (OP)
+If you booked your trip with the layovers on a single itinerary the company will take care of you if you miss the flights due to delays on their end.
+--- 2437139
+>>2437134
+You're assuming OP has enough brain cells to book an interlined (and probably codeshared) flight directly with the airline or real travel agent.
+
+In reality, it's most likely booked on an OTA where everything is in chunks and bundled together. What's worse, there may be LCCs involved like Flair/Swoop
+--- 2437140
+>>2437065
+1.5h is plenty for most airlines and airports. Not sure about Air Canada and Toronto though.
+--- 2437195
+>>2435853 (OP)
+Seeing that Canadian airports are manned by lazy, incompetant poojeets, expect them to screw the transfer and make you miss your flight. Good luck trying to find help as no one speaks English.
+--- 2437232
+>>2437139
+Didn’t want to assume he was living on a shoestring budget.
+--- 2437588
+>>2435853 (OP)
+Which city are you going to first, YVRor YYZ? You will be passing Canadian custom at the first city, and if you are entering via YVR, you won't have too _much_ trouble. YVR is not that big and it is usually very well organized.
+
+If you are landing at YZZ though, good luck. I don't know how many times I had to run off the Europe international arrival plane, custom office, exit the restricted zone, only to find the departure security check to be 1+ hour long. I had to ask the people in the queue to let me jump the queue, then run to the gate (AC might be in a different terminal). Closest I've had with AC connection flight was 10 min before closing and that's with them expecting me.
+--- 2439667
+>>2435853 (OP)
+not bad
+--- 2439746
+>>2437065
+>>2437105
+>>2437140
+>>2437588
+The 1:20 layover is in YVR. That’s the one I’m concerned about.
+
+Then it’s onto YYZ where I have a 3:00 layover. Then onto Boston.
+
+I’ve seen so much bad shit about Air Canada and I’m getting paranoid. Should’ve flown Qantas and spent the extra $800
+--- 2439751
+>>2439746
+Also, this is my first every international flight so I have no idea about whether I do security at Vancouver first before connecting to Toronto, whether I go to domestic departures or international (I assume domestic because it's in the same country).
+
+I try and do research but the YVR and YYZ sites are fucking hopeless and Youtube videos aren't helpful.
+--- 2439753
+>>2437232
+I'm not, but a $2,000 ticket for a 25hr trip as opposed to a $2,800 ticket for a 23hr trip seemed like a no brainer.
+--- 2439854
+>>2435853 (OP)
+You’ll be fine. If soemthing goes wrong and you miss your flight they’ll put you on the next flight.