Sun Apr 23 06:55:37 UTC 2023

his/14925378.txt

@@ -762,3 +762,159 @@ gas the bikes, race car now
 --- 14932130
 >>14925378 (OP)
 >European and American Jews use their unparalleled international soft power to get given territory they claim belongs to them because of literal mythology and then do settler colonialism in the mid 20th century up to today against settled, civilised people when previously it had mostly been only done to actual stone age tribes
+--- 14932295
+>>14925511
+There are a lot of bluehairs who think boycotting Israel is anti Semitic
+--- 14932344
+>>14925779
+Israel jews = based and trad
+American jews = cringe and liberal
+--- 14932359
+>>14925378 (OP)
+Far-right European parties advocate antisemitism in Europe but fully support Israel (and Jews moving out of Europe for Israel).
+--- 14933291
+>>14932130
+>Mudslimes
+>civilized
+--- 14933295
+>>14925378 (OP)
+Jews are reptilians.
+--- 14933303
+>>14932295
+what do little old ladies have to do with Israel?
+--- 14933307
+>>14933295
+The trick is they play with the gorgon sisters, have the big bad wolf/ass, try to test the toothfairy, because they like little girls.
+Then there's the whole oepiedial complex with "jack" and his mom.
+Then there's the onions boys with their sadomasochistic bullshit.
+--- 14933320
+Question to all you fags here from a (Christian) Palestinian.
+Let's say we do get rid of Israel. You still have a hate-boner for us Arabs don't you? And the majority of Arabs are Muslims. What do you plan to do with the land if you hate Muslims so much?
+--- 14933332
+>>14933320
+I've been executed by sand jockies in a basement in my moon dress.
+Arabs are nothing but sodomites.
+--- 14933338
+>>14932359
+it was better that way. there was centuries of bloodshed and pogroms to prove that they could never get along with Europeans and the Holocaust was inevitable once the technology to make that happen existed. sad but you can't expect two groups of people with mutually incompatible mentalities to coexist.
+--- 14933346
+>>14933291
+How are they not?
+--- 14933350
+Behold the glory of Pisslam.
+--- 14933352
+>>14933346
+They camp a nursery with a jackal and hyde mask own with a serpent woman.
+--- 14933358
+>>14933352
+Meds please
+--- 14933363
+>>14933350
+Islam didn't do shit.
+--- 14933364
+>>14933352
+The pornographers do it on all fours, and use the cocyx to make a remote while they dig fingers into some woman's eyes, they also use "hosts", and have the coomers jerk off to violent pornography.
+Jacks dental records are stolen through a lateralization of the brain.
+--- 14933380
+>>14933350
+>>14933363
+--- 14933390
+>>14933363
+>arabs do arab things in arab places
+>jews get butthurt
+>jews come into your nation and subvert the power structure to let arabs in (so you hate arabs too)
+main tactic of the jew is to make their problems everyone else's problem
+--- 14933414
+>>14933380
+Imagine getting lost in the Sinai peninsula (lmao) for 40 years and living in tents while prioritizing how many goats you can sacrifice (your God lives in a box in the middle of your tent temple)
+--- 14933426
+>>14933414
+I'm not a Jew, nigga, and implying that gets you a one-on-one meeting with the 5 Sudanis I have locked in my basement. I hope you like BBC faggot
+--- 14933435
+>>14933426
+>I'm not a Jew
+Yes, you're just a seething zionist
+--- 14933445
+>>14933435
+bait me once, shame on you
+--- 14933455
+>>14933445
+Are you one of these hawkish neolibs that retroactively loves George W. Bush?
+--- 14933463
+>>14933455
+I'm not western enough to have any sort of idea what neolib and neocon mean, and don't bother explaining them to me because I'll just unleash the 5 Sudanis from my basement again
+--- 14933479
+>>14933463
+We already know your demographic from your use of Bush neologisms and your view of race
+--- 14933694
+>>14931912
+really though it's a society based around war and has not a lot to do with the European petite bourgeois Jewish culture of old
+--- 14933815
+>>14925474
+But that's the point. Ashkenazis are mixed europeans and middle easterners, so both sides find something to hate in them. This is actually quite tragic lol
+--- 14933842
+>>14931912
+They 100% see more of military life than any European (aside from Ukrainians) do today.
+--- 14933844
+>>14925378 (OP)
+You forgot the part where all the jewish people in the US gov make sure that they get a bazzilion dollars from the US plus tip.
+--- 14933846
+>>14933815
+I think if they stopped lying constantly, people would hate them less. But I suspect their mendacity is genetically based (like their schizophrenia).
+--- 14933853
+>>14932083
+>Israel is loaded with Russians *after* the Soviet Union collapsed 
+>ergo Israel didn't fuck up Soviet aligned Arabs in 1967 and 1973 
+You retards are on a history board, learn how to read a timeline
+--- 14933865
+>>14933426
+>>14933445
+>>14933463
+holy shit dude i hate Indians, how can an entire race be so retarded
+--- 14933992
+>>14925378 (OP)
+OP you seem to confuse people hating on jews the people group for historical and modern reasons with hating Israel for ethnic cleansing reasons. It was quite literally the holocaust wich determined unless someone is Nazi Germany then ethnic cleansing against them is not ok post war and not applying these same standards to Israel would make even the most misinformed apolitical shitbag watching footie wonder why that is.
+--- 14934116
+>>14929682
+I think if someone wants to deport all Jews to Israel, then that makes them pro-Zionist and anti-semitic.
+--- 14934458
+>>14925385
+109 countries
+--- 14934506
+>>14925378 (OP)
+If every Jew who's pro-Israel would actually move there, nobody in the West would have a problem with it.
+
+But instead the majority of Jews prefer to stay in the West while simultaneously doing their best to drag us into shitty wars against Israel's political enemies, AND complain about being supposedly oppressed, AND shill for immigration to the US while supporting supporting Israel's border wall and all the rest of it.
+--- 14934682
+>>14934506
+right on, you know what you should do ? you should find another way to communicate apart from using a phonecian alphabet on intel chips. It shouldn't be too hard to find another company for your processor, but learning and using another alphabet is going to be tricky. Your only alternative is chinese alphabet and that's probably too difficult for you as, lets be blunt but honest, white trash . Maybe just disconnect your internet and return to your aryan roots, go live in the woods in a mud hut?
+--- 14934753
+>>14934682
+Since you hate the Germans for the Holocaust so much, how about you stop driving cars, since cars were invented by Germans? Or even better, jump in front of one, that'll show those goyim.
+>phonecian alphabet on intel chips
+I'm using an ARM processor, I know about 3,000 Sino-Japanese characters and can read Japanese fluently because I am just that intellectually superior to you.
+The provenance of the Latin alphabet is actually not fully understood, but you're obviously not here to actually discuss interesting historical questions, you just want to shill for Israel.
+>b- but what would you be without circumcision, religious zealotry and shitty Hollywood movies?!? You need us, Goyim!
+No we don't, FUCK OFF.
+--- 14934771
+>>14925378 (OP)
+>everyone accuses Jews of being "international cosmopolitans" with no country of their own
+Only antisemites do that.
+--- 14935656
+>>14934771
+now they have two countries to call home. Israel and USA so meh.
+--- 14935724
+>>14925378 (OP)
+--- 14935787
+>>14925378 (OP)
+Mudslimes really hate Isreal, Mossad is influencing the west, many westerners really hate jews and for good reasons, commies hate them because anti-imperialism, also socialists dislike Isreal colonisation over palestine.
+Personally if all jews can fuck off to Isreal, I take it.
+--- 14936449
+jews are silly and autistic but ultimately harmless outside JPG-filled /pol/ MS Paint infographs
+--- 14936466
+>>14935724
+--- 14936480
+>>14929682
+I'm anti-Israel but pro-zionist and israeli culture. I'm learning hebrew right now. I'm also sympathetic to the religion although I don't have the commitment for it. I'm just focusing on the language (which is hard).
+--- 14936536
+I never figured out how /pol/ reconciles the idea that Jews are all powerful and control everything while also being subhuman untermenschen at the same time.

his/14925836.txt

@@ -186,3 +186,55 @@ The west destroys far more
 >>14930564
 >>14930670
 Modern atheists living in Western secular countries always fail to realize that throughout all of history, the vast majority of people actually believed in the faiths they professed and took them very seriously.
+--- 14933412
+>>14932060
+They didn't really. Most people were illiterate and had no clue what their religions actually taught.
+--- 14934467
+>>14925836 (OP)
+SI bueno
+--- 14935021
+>>14926086
+What happened at Roncevalle again, gabacho?
+I think you even made some shitty poem out of it
+--- 14935037
+>>14925888
+>Romano-Iberians
+>native
+--- 14935044
+>>14926041
+But they were white. Whites can't be colonized because colonization is the result of native powerlessness and exploitative foreign powers
+--- 14935048
+I'm going to explain the reconquista to Americans
+
+Imagine USA has a civil war. Muslims take advantage and conquer the East Coast, being stopped only by Appalachian hillbilies from moving further west.
+After a few centuries all East Coasters convert to Islam, and they have a civil war and Balkanize into many States.
+Then, one by one, the Appalachian hillbilies begin to move east and conquer every muslim state one by one, with massive emmigration of the muslims to the middle east to escape from the appalachians, and a lot of population replacement, so that every east coaster ends up being like half appalachian
+
+that is pretty much what happened in Spain
+--- 14935050
+>>14926087
+>Galician Celt-Iberians
+>native
+--- 14935080
+If Celts aren't native to Iberia then they aren't in Gaul and Britain either. You're all too autistics.
+--- 14935383
+>>14930558
+No they werent inbred mongoloid, the kings were literally basque
+--- 14935387
+>>14935383
+75% of iberian noblity is descended from frankish capetians lmao
+--- 14935394
+>>14931305
+>phoenicians, greeks, punics and romans,
+Roman aside none of these groups ever had a significant presence in south Iberia.
+And genetic studies show that Romans are highly similar to Spznizrds, much more thzn Italian
+--- 14935402
+>>14935387
+Yeah through marriage, don't change that they were originally basques. Who cares
+My grandmother is from Belgium, I don't feel any less Iberian because of it.
+--- 14935412
+>>14935394
+Spaniards* lol
+--- 14935418
+>>14935402
+Sorry but you have to go back. I won't tolerate any guiris quadroons in MY España

his/14925869.txt

@@ -79,3 +79,29 @@ fsdsd
 --- 14931431
 >>14929121
 >wikipedia
+--- 14932573
+>>14932450
+making this was an absolute nightmare which gave the creator an anxiety disorder about accidentally breaking it.
+t. /diy/
+--- 14932790
+>>14929072
+people really underestimate how thin steel armor was. It was the soft steel, padded cloth under it, and curvature of plates that parred (deflected) the blows rather than stopped it. That's why some knights held shields in the 15th century, because it was better than taking a blow to the head
+--- 14932820
+>>14929100
+besides the spear, the most common polearm was either a bill, scythe, sickle, plowshare, or pruning hook sharpened by a smith and fixed to a pole turned by a carpenter. Then there was the flail
+--- 14934009
+>>14932573
+yo0u've made stuff with crystal like that?
+--- 14934076
+>>14932450
+This is from the 3rd century bc, not bronze age, at least nowhere outside of China
+--- 14934259
+>>14932820
+Most weapons used were dedicated weapons, not reworked tools. In the late middle ages that are depicted here, bladed striking weapons (halberds, bills, glaives) that are actually all quite similar to each other were the most common aside from spears.
+--- 14935762
+>>14934009
+yes. 
+but what you don't know is that crystals like that are just about the same as working with glass, flint or any other very hard and easy to shatter material.
+--- 14935919
+>>14932790
+Not to mention how it wasn't heat treated as well until aubsburg smiths normalised it.

his/14928557.txt

@@ -111,3 +111,252 @@ Same. Fuck neo pagan faggots. They’re either left wing retards with dyed hair
 --- 14932237
 >>14928557 (OP)
 He was pond scum.
+--- 14932285
+>>14932237
+It seems even pond scum is mightier than the gods of the pagan savages.
+--- 14932352
+>>14932285
+Your desert religion will never cut down all trees. Every single tree is potentially a sacred one
+--- 14932671
+>>14929632
+kek depiction or not it's a fact that he cut down their holy place, imagine being you pagancuck
+--- 14932678
+>>14929731
+>>14929770
+that was just a robbery that happened 20 years after the fact in completely different place, it had nothing to do with the first incident contrary what pagancucks think. Also robbing 80 years old man with knifes, pagans really are spiritual niggers.
+--- 14932683
+>>14932352
+Don't tempt me, treefucker.
+--- 14932685
+>>14930694
+because those pagans bowed down to his god
+--- 14932689
+>>14932678
+>>14932671
+Despite me normally liking STJ his take on this sounds like absolute cope.
+>Akshually Boniface was doing a planned stunt that didn't happen but he was still executed for it by the pagan Frisians y'see.
+I get dismissing hagiography as being untrustworthy but that doesn't mean you can now make up a feel-good tale of your own now.
+--- 14932698
+>>14928557 (OP)
+hypocrisy and duplicity on spot
+Triping ass apes claiming theyr trip is better and more truthfull then trip of other group of apes.
+If God really exists, only thing he hates is humans.
+--- 14932702
+>>14932698
+Th only thing he hates is misanthropes.
+--- 14932709
+>>14932702
+So people who hate others because they dont share same dellusions as them?
+>checks
+--- 14932720
+>>14932709
+In a way. More than other people it is "People that hate the entire human species they dont share same dellusions as them".
+--- 14932723
+>>14932709
+Edit:
+Imagine "loving" others just because if you do not you will go into Hell/spite God.
+Person having gun on his head doing so has more merit for entering heaven then people who do things just because God "exists"
+--- 14932724
+>>14928557 (OP)
+Both. While I admire his conviction to his religious ideals, the destruction of such a religiously and historically important place of worship is absolutely repulsive to me.
+--- 14932764
+Christcuckery lost. Meme myth story about muh tree cutting is nothing in comparision with burning of notre dame (a good thing, all symbols of semitic religion in europe should be destroyed)
+--- 14932766
+>>14928557 (OP)
+He pretty much embodies the Crosskek problem of hating ancient European cultures and demolishing them.
+As a modern Greek if it weren’t for Christianity and to a lesser extent Rome, we’d have a clear lineage connecting us to Ancient Greek culture and thought. The Romans turned Greece into a weird mix far removed from Hellas.
+--- 14932798
+>>14932764
+Treeworship also lost.
+From now you can either say
+>Allah won mashallah
+>No one won and it s fucking over
+If you are an amateur futurologist you might say
+>Baha'i and sikhism might win in the future.
+--- 14932803
+>>14932766
+>The British traumatized him into wanting to be Hellenic
+damn.
+--- 14932810
+>>14932698
+>>14932723
+>babby-atheist hits his first blunt
+pathetic.
+--- 14932833
+>>14932803
+It’s in my blood
+--- 14932850
+>>14932833
+Akshually, according to germans 170 years ago...
+--- 14932960
+>>14932683
+And there it is. Possessed by a semitic desert demon so hard you want to desertify everything just to please this nigga.
+--- 14934034
+>>14932810
+I see someone feels called out.
+--- 14934104
+>>14929945
+>>14930101
+>>14932352
+>>14932698
+>>14932764
+seething larpagan nietzsche faggots. your kind are literally all dying out because you don't breed and hang yourselves. pathetic
+--- 14934409
+>>14932960
+and walloohloo the heccin aryan treespirit will do fucking nothing because he is just a bunch of sticks and animal shit.
+--- 14934515
+>>14928557 (OP)
+same energy
+--- 14934541
+>>14932685
+They didnt until 200-300 years later, at least most of’em
+--- 14934550
+>>14928557 (OP)
+>stop worshipping this three!
+>worship this jewish carpenter instead!
+
+It's very amusing
+--- 14934639
+>>14928557 (OP)
+Respect. 
+
+Chad Monk vs Virgin Treehuggers.
+--- 14934645
+>>14929731
+Thanks for martyring him, retards. Now he'll live forever.
+--- 14934669
+>>14934515
+a tree isnt a millennium old artistic artifact
+--- 14934746
+>>14934669
+Well, in that case...
+--- 14935112
+>everything is gods/daemons 
+>there are gods in another realm and sometimes they come here and do stuff 
+>there is only one god in another realm and sometimes he comes here and does stuff 
+>there is only one god in another realm and he is like a watchmaker, winds up the world and never interacts with it 
+>there is no god because there is no access to the other realm and there is no evidence of god interacting with the world 
+is that the general progression of religion? Seems like religious progress is literally just divine agency shrinking further and further away from the world until outright atheism and the trajectory Animism->Classical Paganism->Monotheism->Watchmaker God/God of the Gaps->Atheism strongly follows that progressive retreat. I guess monotheism feels more remote from human life because the God "can't be depicted" and is "infinitely perfect", ie. these could be read as two ways of further pushing divinity away from the actual world. The iconoclasm and tree chopping actually seems to be related to paranoia about this process, the monotheists didn't/don't want to see immanent objects that are imbued with actual causal power or what could be called "magic" because it smells like "primitive religion". 
+
+The colossal problem for religious people here is that primitive religion seemingly just means "religions that were first to be debunked". What's intensely interesting too is how the Reformation coincided with the Scientific Revolution, and there was a lot of deboonking of "Papist superstition" and what could be described as Church magic in that period, as well as the seemingly shocking declaration that the age of miracles was over. The Reformed Christian God had to be pushed yet further away from reality to incorporate scientific thought, and then in the next two centuries this new conception of God degenerated into pure atheism because it was incredibly feeble
+--- 14935133
+>>14928557 (OP)
+disgust
+--- 14935204
+>>14932689
+He didn't make it up, the Dutch did. "Boniface was executed because he broke the law" is the standard interpretation of the event in Dutch historiography going back to when the event itself was supposed to take place. "Charlemagne is super based" is an opinion held by basically no one up until fags on 4chan decided to take up performative Russian Orthodoxy, so this isn't surprising. We have the law codes that the Frisians used, we know what the punishment for desecrating a holy place was (death), we know that the conquest of Frisia by the Franks took decades, we know that Frisian kings were (attempting) to enforce law and order even in areas that they had lost. This dude talks about it:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4c4g7BanSo [Embed]
+
+>>14934104
+Asatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians.
+--- 14935214
+>>14935204
+>Asatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians.
+its not that hard to beat 2.4 so this is unsurprising
+--- 14935216
+>>14928557 (OP)
+death to Europe, big respect for saint Boniface
+--- 14935833
+>>14935204
+>Asatruar have a higher birthrate than Evangelical Christians.
+Yeah you have guys like Varg who shit out about 7 kids, but for every one of him you have 4 LARPagans.
+--- 14935961
+>>14935833
+Damn, you talk about this "Varg" guy a lot. Do you have a crush on him or something?
+--- 14935965
+>>14928557 (OP)
+You can convert people to christianity without acting like a nigger. If you do go the nigger route, its 100% done for self-gratification
+>heh, yeah, I totally owned those LARPagans
+A lust for vengeance is obviously not out of the ordinary in history, but its pretty rich coming from people who swear by a religion that purports to teach its adherents that they should always choose to forbear vengeance.
+--- 14935982
+>>14935961
+He lives in my head rent free as one of the stereotypes of Germanic and Norse Paganism.
+--- 14935997
+>>14935961
+He gets referenced in almost every thread I visit. Same low IQ idiot from pol each time, who thinks whatever some celebrity does is relevant.
+--- 14935998
+>>14935982
+You should quit ruining this board with your stupid ideas.
+--- 14936059
+>>14935997
+>Why do people reference this guy who is a stereotype of Paganism?
+>I know /POL/ /POL/ /POL/ /POL/ REEEEEEEEEE
+They're as rent free in your head as he is in mine lmao.
+
+>>14935998
+You first.
+--- 14936064
+>>14936059
+>>14935982
+If you want to talk about Varg so much, why are you doing it here? Why not do it on the e-celeb drama board? Or, hell, just go bitch at him on twitter?
+--- 14936074
+>>14936064
+>If you want to talk about Varg so much
+Literally made one comment and it triggered you lmao
+--- 14936076
+>>14929918
+>spawns a dark age that only ends with the rediscovery and revival of pagan Greek philosophy 
+Heh, nothing personal kid
+--- 14936091
+>>14936074
+You've spent the entire thread bitching and talking about him like you do every thread that even approaches something to do with Norse Mythology because by your own admission you have some weird homoerotic fixation on this man. If you want to prove to people that you don't, just stop talking about him.
+--- 14936100
+>>14936091
+>You've spent the entire thread bitching
+Nigger this >>14935833
+Was the second comment I made in this thread, the first being pic related
+Just take the L and admit you're triggered lmao
+--- 14936114
+>>14936100
+>he can't do it
+lmfao
+--- 14936116
+>>14936076
+even renaissance faggots will kill you for separating christianity from renaissance
+--- 14936119
+>>14936114
+Do what?
+--- 14936123
+>>14936116
+Yeah well they can suck it
+--- 14936149
+Bald man, so disgust.
+--- 14936163
+>>14930646
+>Jesus won
+Trannies and faggots beat Jesus.
+--- 14936216
+>>14936163
+Oh yeah? Well Varg lives on welfare.
+--- 14936228
+>>14928557 (OP)
+Disgust. I don't care for homosexuals.
+--- 14936230
+>>14936216
+And this Varg, is he in the room with us now?
+--- 14936284
+>>14929731
+>>14929770
+>>14932678
+Boniface survived that because his Bible caught their blades
+--- 14936292
+>>14935112
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bMgXQV7no [Embed]
+
+No, monotheism becomes polytheism.
+--- 14936404
+>>14928557 (OP)
+Giga turbo respect
+--- 14936563
+>yet another paganfags are butthurt at Christianity constantly dabbing on them thread
+--- 14936621
+>>14936563
+Isn't wrath one of the seven deadly sins? Or do echristians not care about those?
+--- 14936801
+>>14936621
+That's not wrath...
+--- 14936904
+>>14935204
+I mean STJ literally denies the thing that happened. But fair enough.
+The tone of the whole presentation was still very cope-infused. His problem, not mine.
+Not a Christian either.

his/14929323.txt

@@ -51,3 +51,42 @@ Half the """country""" were Calvinists who hated the other half.
 --- 14932021
 >>14930854
 then why did popes and kaisers refer to the basileus as "emperor of the greeks" if the emperor title was exclusive to rome
+--- 14932561
+>>14932021
+to try and delegitimize them
+--- 14933360
+>>14932561
+how is it delegitimizing to be referred to as emperor? why not call the basileus the king of the greeks instead?
+--- 14933561
+>>14929323 (OP)
+>Why did the Germanics LARP as Romans for a thousand years?
+The term "Roman" stopped having any ethnic connotation at least during the late republic, probably long before that. People who actually had ethnic Roman ancestry that they could trace back to the days of the Roman kingdom were known as patricians, and they were a small minority. Most people were plebeians, which didn't mean "poor", there were many rich and politically influential plebeians (eg.: Crassus), what being plebeian actually meant is that they didn't have ethnic Roman ancestry, but rather they were the descendants of non-Roman Italians who were assimilated into the Roman republic.
+Soon Greeks started being assimilated into the republic too, and Caesar even started assimilating Gauls. During the empire that process accelerated, with Caracalla's edict mading everyone living within the empire's borders a citizen. Roman identity became political, associated with citizenship, not ethnicity. Many later Roman emperors who came from the provinces didn't have any ethnic connection to the city of Rome.
+>inb4 but what about Roman colonists
+Anon, those Roman colonists weren't "pureblooded Romans", they were plebeian Italians. The only difference is that they had obtained citizenship all the way back in the republic, unlike other peoples who gained citizenship in the 3rd century.
+Many Germanic peoples gained citizenship through military service all the way from Augustus reign. Elite Germanic units such as the Cornuti and Brachiati served with distinction, most famously in the Battle of Argentoratum. In the late empire, ethnic Germanics became Roman generals leading Roman armies recognized as such by the Roman emperor (eg.: Merobaudes, a magister peditum).
+Charlemagne's and Otto's successors being Roman emperors didn't imply that they weren't ethnic Franks, Saxons or members of another Germanic tribe, it just traced their political lineage (and thus legitimacy) back to the institutions of the empire.
+--- 14933936
+>>14929574
+Retard
+--- 14933942
+>>14933360
+Gets the point of "false emperor" across more directly
+--- 14934308
+>>14929323 (OP)
+Rightful legacy since 481/486 AD
+>>14929356
+> Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation
+Modern revision nonsense
+--- 14934314
+>>14930757
+>>14930854
+Pathetic post.
+--- 14936101
+>>14929356
+>destroy the Roman empire
+>rebuilt it because otherwise aside from larping as Rome your entire culture has no meaning 
+>fail 
+Imagine being this primitive and pathetic
+--- 14936107
+It gave them legitimacy to claim the vatican and try to conquer it

his/14929922.txt

@@ -46,3 +46,69 @@ https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledi9jQeOzCUtBP2pxYdCYiXX
 
 Fuck youtube
 Fuck smart phones
+--- 14932519
+>>14930982
+>Stop being a peasant
+>but i can pay for the internet
+i never said no books did i? i don't trust any of your sources as you are already misrepresenting me.
+--- 14932522
+>>14929936
+No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad
+--- 14932730
+>>14929922 (OP)
+To the Gates of Stalingrad: Soviet-German Combat Operations, April–August 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2009
+Armageddon in Stalingrad: September–November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2009
+Endgame at Stalingrad: November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3, Book 1) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2014
+Endgame at Stalingrad: November 1942 (The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3, Book 2) (Modern War Studies) with Jonathan M. House, University Press of Kansas, 2014
+--- 14932733
+>>14932730
+>no books written before Wikipedia 
+No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.
+--- 14932981
+I have a very extensive reading list on WW2, including Stalingrad but I don't feel like casting pearls before swine.
+--- 14933010
+>>14932981
+Screw it
+--- 14933011
+>>14933010
+--- 14933038
+>>14933010
+>>14933011
+Thank you so much bro :)
+--- 14933054
+>>14933038
+>>14933011
+>>14933010
+Literally none of these before Wikipedia. 
+No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad.
+--- 14933170
+>>14933038
+Yw :)
+--- 14933257
+>>14933054
+meds
+--- 14934652
+>>14929922 (OP)
+>>14929936
+>>14932522
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 14935086
+>>14929989
+BASED
+--- 14935749
+>>14932981
+op:
+>hello i would like to learn the facts about a historical event
+/his/:
+>I don't feel like casting pearls before swine
+--- 14936090
+>>14929922 (OP)
+You can’t find a good one, you have to compile info yourself if you want all the fake and gay biases taken out. A quarter of the “German” soldiers in Stalingrad were ethnically Russian.
+--- 14936273
+>>14932522
+>>14932733
+>>14933054
+So when are you planning on necking yourself again anon?
+>>14934652
+He’s a Jew who seethed at how anons on here were saying that there’s no physical evidence for the Holocaust.
+These posts about Stalingrad are his way of coping and “getting back at the chuds”.

his/14930062.txt

@@ -91,3 +91,106 @@ Turks were already ruining it for centuries before the Mongols showed up.
 >>14932013
 Lmao. The Ottomans immediately formed an empire that terrorized half of Europe for hundreds of years and required the combined might of the Hapsburg domains, Poland, Italy and Russia to stop.
 And remember they started out as a small rump state in Anatolia after centuries of the Islamic world decaying and Europe developing. Imagine what would've happened if the Seljuks and Pechnegs broke through in the 1000s, or even worse the Caliphates at their peak in the 7th-8th centuries.
+--- 14932277
+>>14930062 (OP)
+Bulgaria, the current one, has pretty much just been a bunch of sperging out.
+--- 14932328
+>>14932256
+>that terrorized half of Europe
+Like one tenth of Europe. The Magyars penetrated deeper into Europe than the Ottomans.
+>for hundreds of years and required the combined might of the Hapsburg domains, Poland, Italy and Russia to stop.
+What? Italy didn’t exist in any fashion as a unified state and Russia was irrelevant until after the twilight of the Ottoman Empire.
+>And remember they started out as a small rump state in Anatolia after centuries of the Islamic world decaying and Europe developing.
+The Ottomans defeated two major crusades specifically meant to defeat them before the Hundred Years War ended. The Byzantines did nothing to slow them down and even invited them into Europe.
+>Imagine what would've happened if the Seljuks and Pechnegs broke through in the 1000s, or even worse the Caliphates at their peak in the 7th-8th centuries.
+The Franks didn’t require constant crusades to stop the Umayyads, Italy didn’t require constant crusades to resist the Fatimids and Saracens in Sicily, the Germans didn’t require the intervention of France and England to fight off the Magyars. Why are Greeks so perpetually crippled and weak that they need to be propped up?
+
+This isn’t a case of the Greeks resisting for 800 years without any support and “scorn” despite the west seeing them as the Roman Empire, not even the successors. This is a case of the Eastern Roman Empire constantly begging for support and being surprised when mercenaries have no high ideals or the hydra they created can crush any organized benevolent attempt to stop it. Also the Fourth Crusade is the fault of the Greeks as much as the Franks.
+--- 14932349
+>>14932328
+he's just saying italy and habsburg domain to avoid saying holy roman empire
+--- 14932358
+>>14932349
+The only part of italy that fought the ottomans regularly wasn't part of the HRE.
+--- 14932543
+>>14930361
+>Reminder that the Turks literally entered Europe by invitation of the Byzantines.
+Turks were already migrating in mass regardless
+--- 14932569
+>>14932112
+>Gayreeks are trecherous and cowardly peoplef yet at the same time extremely arrogant.
+I mean, when you're the literal Roman empire and you keep surviving each major crisis that would shatter any other state as if you're protected by God himself, you're probably entitled to feel a little arrogant.
+--- 14932585
+>>14932328
+A fucking army of 15000 Berber bumfucks crushed the entire Visigothic kingdom in a couple of years. Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.
+What do you think would've happened if the Caliphates were free to move their 80K+ elite troops away from the Byzantine frontier?
+--- 14932590
+>>14932585
+>Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.
+>almost destroyed
+>permanently expelled after a single battle
+Yeah, almost destroyed, sure.
+--- 14932591
+>>14932590
+Yeah they definitely hadn't just looted half the country and were on their way to Paris before the battle.
+--- 14932598
+>>14932591
+>invade country
+>don't stop until you meet an army
+>get crushed
+>"actually we did pretty good until we got buttfucked"
+They even lost all of their loot after the battle, too.
+--- 14932601
+>>14931983
+Moroccans do
+--- 14932618
+>>14932585
+>A fucking army of 15000 Berber bumfucks crushed the entire Visigothic kingdom in a couple of years. 
+Crushed is a creative term for it given that the elite, being pvre blooded Aryans (jk), just rolled over and let the Muslims have it. Most of them probably converted to Islam to keep their lands too. It was more of a regular elite replacement than an actual war of conquest. It's really bizarre.
+>What do you think would've happened if the Caliphates were free to move their 80K+ elite troops away from the Byzantine frontier?
+Earlier date of the mosques in northcentral India probably.
+>Then a 25K one almost destroyed the Frankish one.
+Raiding party BTFO'd by martel after one battle.
+--- 14932751
+>"The Greeks held off the Aryans, Arabs, and Turks!"
+And they had a spat with the Doge of Venice, the men who the Franks were indebted to
+--- 14933157
+Byzantine soldiers run away when they see horses charge at them look it up. Normans, Bulgarians and Turks cleaned house with them militarily and they only save themselves had a lot of gold to bribe people
+--- 14933198
+>>14930416
+>brethren
+Lol the Turks treated Arabs like shit, they rebelled for a reason
+--- 14933448
+>>14932751
+This
+Aryans, Semites, Turks... All fall short when a MED BVLL wields an army of Celto-Germanic golems to destroy his enemies.
+Many such cases in history
+--- 14934112
+>>14932598
+>lost all of their loot after the battle
+Pretty new to history but how did armies deal with looting? Did everyone just take what they could and carry it?
+Didn't it drag things down to have each individual member carrying an extra 40 lbs in addition to their kit while marching or even in battle?
+--- 14934271
+>>14932328
+Tsarist Russia was kicking the shit out of the Ottomans since the late 1600s, anon. Well before any "decline" in the Ottoman Empire happened.
+--- 14934281
+>>14930963
+>Entente had once protected them from Russia in the Crimean W-ACK!
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintuple_Alliance
+--- 14935185
+>>14930416
+The Turks left the entire MENA underdeveloped and basically let the European powers grab land because they were too weak to actually fight back. Why would anyone stick around and support an empire that has proven it isn't going to uphold them? Yeah the modern region is a shitshow but that doesn't make the Ottomans any better.
+--- 14935286
+>>14930209
+>stopped the balkan genocides
+Their presence is what made them possible in the first place.
+>prevented Austrian/Russian expansion
+That's not a good thing.
+--- 14935311
+>>14930062 (OP)
+Due to every single power in the region holding at least one profitable, slave-dependent enterprise, they were all opposed to trading with Haiti or supporting them in the face of open extortion. There has never been such a clear matter of good and evil in the world, nor will there ever again be anything so blatant. God was not with them.
+--- 14935608
+>>14930062 (OP)
+Only retards who've never looked into their history claim this. The byzantine empire was a corrupt shithole that barely survived as long as it did thanks the mass left behind by the Romans and the work of a couple semi-competent rulers every century. 
+
+A pretender revolt every 3 years and reliance on foreign mercenaries so bad the turks "conquered" Anatolia by being invited to garrison forts so emperors/pretenders could focus on vying for power lmao

his/14931381.txt

@@ -85,3 +85,261 @@ I'm a barbarian and I say hang em all
 --- 14931969
 >>14931913
 Yes, the Cretans ARE the pederasts
+--- 14932477
+>>14931381 (OP)
+Adult male on male sexual partnerships were shunned and they even had a disparaging word for feminine males who were the "catchers". "Europroktos" which means "wide assed"
+--- 14933751
+>>14932477
+Why are /his/tards obsessed with the anal? Do they not realize 80% of modern homosexual men rarely have anal sex? Anal was frowned upon but there are practically zero examples of homosexual love between two adult men of the same class being punished judicially and the frequent mentions of gay affairs in mythology suggests it was a tolerated phenomenon as long as people followed social class and bore children when expected. Same thing in China
+--- 14933905
+>>14933751
+Then why do they refer to themselves as a "top" or "bottom"? them referring to themselves with those terms would imply penetrative sex taking place. If 80% of gays didn't do anal then they'd use the term "side" which means non penetrative gay sex but they don't.
+--- 14933924
+stop trying to defend playing with intestines. Its agaisnt your dignity.
+--- 14933929
+>>14931381 (OP)
+I'm pretty sure that painting you posted wasn't made by the ancient Greeks, just a hunch.
+--- 14933938
+>>14931913
+>Pederasty was already common during the pre-classical, archaic era of Ancient Greece
+No proof of that.
+Nevermind that pederasty had nothing to do with homosexual sex. Pederasty was a form of education, a mentorship in which an older tutor teaches a young student. This wasn't exclusive to Greece, it was the common form of education all over the world before the advent of mass public education.
+--- 14933944
+>>14933938
+And as we know, teachers and students don't bang each other to this day.
+--- 14933957
+>>14931432
+>>14931532
+>>14931547
+>>14931710
+Homosexual sex was not normalized in ancient Greece. The whole notion was pushed by homosexual authorts in the 20th century misrepresenting the terms erastes and eromenos as being sexual in nature.
+The Greeks made a very clear distinction between vulgar Aphrodite and celestial Aphrodite. Men who loved the body of young boys were shunned. What was accepted is men loving the soul of boys, which meant, wanting to instill knowledge upon them, thus achieving immortality by having their wisdom perpetuated even after their death.
+>>14933905
+>Then why do they refer to themselves as a "top" or "bottom"?
+They never did that.
+--- 14933972
+>>14933944
+There's a huge difference between "at some time it might have happened" and "it was a normalized and common cultural institution literally defined by sex".
+This is the equivalent of some person in the 40th century looking back at our present and going "hmmm it seems school shootings existed back in the 21st century, that can only mean that people at the time thought that getting shot was an integral part of a child's education, how quirky".
+--- 14934001
+Gay sex between Greek citizens was illegal. It was possible to start a mentor-like relationship with a child that wasn't yours in an adoption ritual if you were high status. I repeat, gay sex between citizens was illegal. Homosexuals gloss over this fact because Greeks technically could do whatever the wanted to slaves and prostitutes, which to a leftist means "of course gay sex was widespread" despite literally being illegal
+
+Reminder, in order to become a prostitute you had to relinquish your citizenship, so even if there was a gay greek prostitute, technically he wasn't greek because he was no longer a citizen and considered trash
+--- 14934002
+>>14933957
+That's simply incorrect. In the court case Against Timarkhos, a free adult man was accused of prostituting himself to a fellow freeman, an illegal offense. As part of the court documents they explicitly state that in order to prosecute Timarkhos, they must prove he accepted payment for his sexual affair, because an affair of love could not be prosecuted. Additionally, the court documents note that a lowborn man engaging as a catamite could not be prosecuted. Homosexual sex (intercrural or mutual masturbation) was not normalized but it was certainly tolerated.
+
+http://local.droit.ulg.ac.be/sa/rida/file/2000/macdowell.pdf
+--- 14934013
+>>14934002
+Also extra interesting to note is that the punishment for a freeman being a catamite is that he could no longer hold office... certainly not death, however the loss of reputation may put him in a precarious situation.
+
+So, even a freeman letting men fuck his ass for money was not harshly punished judicially, simply punished with a loss of reputation.
+--- 14934015
+>>14934002
+>it was certainly tolerated
+Timarkhos was convicted and striped of rights
+--- 14934035
+>>14934015
+Yes, because he was convicted of prostituting himself. Again, if jurors were convinced Timarkhos had homosexual affairs for love, without money, he wouldn't have been convicted of anything at all, because gay love was not a crime in most of ancient Greece.
+
+And even being a fag prostitute was punished quite lightly. He was stripped of the right to engage in government office. Not even a lashing was proscribed. He very well could have gone on to live a relatively comfortable life.
+--- 14934051
+>>14934035
+>he was convicted of prostituting himself
+He was convicted of being unfit to represent a man of greece because of his behavior, show me the part where they convicted him exclusively because of "prostitution".
+--- 14934054
+Isn't he technically in heaven?
+--- 14934063
+>>14931381 (OP)
+>So yeah, the ancient Greeks were totally straight. Nothing gay about them at all. They just depicted one of their most important deities having male lovers. But it was very straight.
+That picture isn't Roman and has no source and none of the Ancient Greek gods were gay. You can't even name one.
+--- 14934069
+>>14934002
+>>14934035
+>>14934013
+Moving the goalpost.
+Let me ask you something anon, is every crime today punished with the death penalty? No, right? Does that mean that your average man thinks that stealing is good?
+What you are claiming is that since homosexuality wasn't punished in the harshest way possible, that somehow means that it was socially acceptable. The fallacy in this reasoning is self-evident. There's a wide range of actions today which are socially condemned and yet not punished legally or which have a relatively minor legal punishment, why do you think it had to be different in an ancient society?
+--- 14934077
+If you want to claim that at some point in time a Greek man had anal sex and his neighbors didn't burn him alive, go ahead.
+But if you claim that every Greek man was gay, they all had homosexual sex regularly and they thought it was super duper heckin' wholesome then you are simply wrong.
+--- 14934085
+>>14934051
+>Aiskhines asserts that Timarkhos, a man now aged forty-five or more, had been a catamite in his youth; and to support his case that Timarkhos had transgressed the law he gives what appears to be a fairly comprehensive account of the laws on the subject.
+
+>This law penalized the passive partner in a homosexual relationship, but it is important to notice that its application was limited in certain respects.
+>(a) The law applied only to those who accepted pay or recompense for homosexual activity, not to those who engaged in it for love. That this is the meaning of the verb, tair is clear from the fact that Aiskhines himself, in accusing Timarkhos, clearly regards payment as one of the facts which he has to prove. Note for example 1.51: "He who does this with one man, and engages in the activity for pay, seems to me to be liable to this very charge."
+Just read the fucking text I linked. Timarkhos is punished only for being a prostitute, and his punishment is only partial disenfranchisement.
+--- 14934100
+>>14934069
+Except gay love wasn't even ever punished as a misdemeanor such as theft. Additionally, there are hundreds of examples of gay love is mythology and it is always portrayed in a neutral or sympathetic light. But yes, there was a range of opinions on the matter the same way there is a range today. This is to say overall that Ancient Greece was definitely faggy compared to the Judeo-Roman Christian cult era
+--- 14934127
+>>14934100
+>Additionally, there are hundreds of examples of gay love is mythology 
+No there aren't, but you'll go ahead and mention Achilles and Patroclus as a "homosexual" relationship.
+--- 14934129
+>>14934085
+Being disenfranchised is the only punishment there is really in ancient greece, if you are disenfranchised you are removed from greek society and considered and outcast. Outcasting a man from society for homosexual behavior does not mean they accepted homosexual behavior.
+
+Your fleeting grasp of greek law is little more than grasping at straws and I bet soon you will devolve the conversation into semantics because you don't actually have anything else.
+--- 14934159
+The myth of Greek homosexuality comes from Dover assuming out of his ass that erastes-eromenos referred to a homosexual, inherently sexual relationship. All the bullshit claims such as "Plato thought that it was a weakness of the barbarians that they weren't gay" stem from the same original mistake. If you go back to the actual sources they are just talking about a mentor and a student. When the ancient Greeks actually talk about homosexual sex they are very negative about it, see Plato's quote about it being unnatural and driven only by lust, which fags just cope about and pretend it doesn't exist.
+--- 14934168
+>>14934129
+As already stated, three times, the punishment was not for "homosexual behavior" in general. It was for homosexual prostitution. 
+
+Additionally, as I stated already, the punishment was partial disenfranchisement. And disenfranchisement does not prevent a man from living a comfortable life in ancient Athens. It was not exile.
+
+Homosexual behavior for love, and not money, was never prosecuted. Why are you such a lying little snake engage in a circular deceitful argument style?
+--- 14934192
+>>14934168
+>the punishment was not for "homosexual behavior"
+You have not proven this, you just keep saying it with no evidence 
+>the punishment was partial disenfranchisement
+Also known as outcasting from society
+--- 14934198
+>>14934192
+Retarded lying snake faggot. Kys
+--- 14934205
+>>14934198
+post evidence or fuck off faggot
+--- 14934206
+>>14934198
+lmao as always the faggots cry and seethe whenever people don't buy their bullshit.
+--- 14934213
+>>14934205
+Already posted here snake lying faggot
+>>14934085
+>>14934002
+Why do fag haters compulsively lie and misdirect like filthy gremlin freaks?
+--- 14934227
+>>14934213
+That's not evidence, that's you interpreting something as something else, being outcast from society for homosexual behavior =/= "they tolerated homosexuals"
+
+You're "evidence" refutes your proposition as is common with leftist propaganda
+--- 14934233
+>>14934227
+Lying snake freak. Die in fire.
+--- 14934237
+>>14934233
+Cope faggot
+--- 14934240
+>>14934237
+Die liar.
+--- 14934251
+>>14934198
+>>14934213
+>>14934233
+>>14934240
+Here we can see the effect of HRT on mood, quite horrible imo.
+--- 14934252
+>>14934240
+cope faggot
+--- 14934255
+>>14934192
+>Also known as outcasting from society
+Atimia is not always outcasting from society, that is the most extreme case. It was often partial. From the documents of the case in question, the outcasting was partial, and Timarchus was able to continue living and drawing income in Athens.
+
+https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0063:id=atimia-cn
+--- 14934266
+>>14934255
+You can live in athens and not be a citizen, if you weren't a citizen you were considered trash with no rights, borderline a slave, it was the same thing in the roman empire. 
+
+As was pointed out earlier in the thread, if you wanted to be a homosexual prostitute you had to relinquish all your rights, literally becoming a pocket-pussy slave for fat hairy merchants. I wonder if you were even allowed to own property
+--- 14934280
+>>14934266
+You were likely allowed to own property as confiscation isn't mentioned in Timarchus's case. In any case anon is right and Greek men could not be prosecuted for having a male lover.
+--- 14934286
+>>14934280
+>You were likely allowed to own property
+How do non-citizens own property? you're just saying that out of desperation and it's hilarious 
+
+FYI, prostitutes were considered "property" and owned by pimps, so no, you're a literal sex slave with no rights
+--- 14934306
+>>14934286
+Desperate? Projection much? I have no horse in this race.
+
+Atimia can be partial. Timarchus was not reduced to non-citizen status, but rather partial citizen, this is clear from the records of oration. His punishment was meted out because he attempted to pursue a political career, as well, and would not have been prosecuted if he did not.
+--- 14934319
+>>14934306
+Again faggot, how is being outcast from society "tolerating fags"? In order to be openly gay you had to reduce yourself to somebody else's property
+--- 14934332
+>>14934319
+Well, as already stated, Timarchus was only partially outcast, he seemed to retain the right to attend public assembly, but could not speak.
+
+And if you could have gay sex with no money involved you could not be prosecuted for it. Though people may level false claims against you, which is likely what happened to Timarchus given the dubiousness of the evidence, and his accuser being a political rival.
+--- 14934335
+>>14934332
+Again faggot, how is being outcast from society "tolerating fags"?
+
+>you could have gay sex with no money involved you could not be prosecuted for it
+post source, you can't faggot because you have none
+--- 14934354
+>>14934335
+The source is the oration Against Timarchus. 
+
+>Now, fellow citizens, if Timarchus here had remained with Misgolas and never gone to another man's house, his conduct would have been more decent--if really any such conduct is "decent"--and I should not have ventured to bring any other charge against him than that which the lawgiver describes in plain words, simply that he was a kept man. For the man who practises this thing with one person, and practises it for pay, seems to me to be liable to precisely this charge. 
+
+By the way, Timarchus had his charges dropped 3 years later.
+--- 14934359
+>>14934354
+>My source is a source that refutes my position
+Thanks for spewing leftist propaganda faggot
+--- 14934362
+>>14934359
+The source says he's being prosecuted for accepting pay and could not be prosecuted if he did not accept pay. Are you perhaps ESL?
+--- 14934373
+>>14934362
+Your quote literally says being a fag is indecent
+--- 14934385
+>>14934373
+Moving the goalposts here, my statement was that you could not be prosecuted for homosexual conduct. Homos were basically viewed as being weird--an equivalent culture woild be 1980s America
+--- 14934395
+>>14934385
+You're trying to prove that being a fag is accepted and you post a quote where somebody is calling it obscene 
+
+You're not smart, at all. You're actually a moron
+--- 14934405
+>>14934395
+>You're trying to prove that being a fag is accepted
+No, I never stated that. The statement was that being a fag, without pay, could not be prosecuted.
+
+Such conduct might be viewed as "indecent" but not subject to criminal penalties
+--- 14934407
+>>14934405
+>moving goalposts
+--- 14934418
+>>14934407
+That was the original goalpost I entered the conversation with
+See
+>>14934280
+
+And maybe take your meds.
+--- 14934433
+>>14934418
+But you're the same faggot from the beginning of the conversation? 
+
+So you concede that fags were not socially accepted in greece and are now trying to claim it wasn't punishable by law? Despite all "legal" homosexuals having to be reduced to non-citizen slave status to be openly gay?
+--- 14934472
+>>14934433
+>But you're the same faggot from the beginning of the conversation
+I am not.
+
+>So you concede that fags were not socially accepted in greece 
+I never attempted to make such a claim. Based on the evidence of it being variably viewed as "indecent" but also being the subject of many favorable writings and myths, it was, as I said, likely viewed of as a weird thing. Like being a lolicon in Japan or something.
+>Despite all "legal" homosexuals having to be reduced to non-citizen slave status to be openly gay?
+Only if they accept payment for their gayness, or bottom for a slave.
+--- 14934484
+>>14934472
+You're mentally ill, but I guess that's normal for a faggot
+--- 14936204
+>>14933957
+> Homosexual sex was not normalized in ancient Greece. The whole notion was pushed by homosexual authorts in the 20th century 
+Lying jew
+--- 14936212
+>>14934159
+Lying jew, see >>14936204
+--- 14936843
+>>14936204
+Coping gayreek

his/14931385.txt

@@ -124,3 +124,41 @@ It was bad, but not so much as many people want you to believe, the rest of the
 --- 14932049
 >>14931385 (OP)
 Yes they refused to do communion under both kinds. And there is no justification to do this. They were corrupt to the core. Thankfully Luther and the Lutheran reformers cleansed the church of papist dogma
+--- 14932975
+Imagine believing in a magic ghost
+--- 14932987
+>>14931664
+but i'm not jewish
+why are you saying that?
+--- 14933065
+>>14931862
+>he CC doesn't need a reformation, it needs a second counter-reformation in which it denounces the entirety of modernism.
+That was Vatican I, and it resulted in the Pope being isolated in the Vatican, losing all Papal territories to the Italian Kingdom and almost ended the Roman Catholic Church entirely.
+--- 14933132
+>>14931385 (OP)
+Yes, Aristotle and any of the scholastics (Augustine, Thomas, Anselm) can be easily skipped over.
+--- 14933744
+>>14931664
+Hello Jew, Jesus hates you.
+--- 14933754
+>>14931401
+Because it became a protestant church.
+WW2 happened and Vatican is occupied by your kind, and it's not getting any better.
+--- 14933802
+>>14931385 (OP)
+No, even this doc debunks the spanish inquisition narratives for example, as being nothing but war time propaganda:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-pS6iLFuc [Embed]
+
+>>14931388
+You mean gays then. The whole shebang is nothing but the effects of gay infiltrators, so the vatican already in the 60s forbid gays from entering seminaries, the same was reiterated in the 2000s, so the abuses peaked mid last century and are negligible nowadays. The gay infiltrators that remain are now trying to change doctrine, as we see with the german synod.
+
+All the other religions, and schools also have the gays preying on children, but still have done nothing about it. 
+
+>>14931413
+Did he forget to read the bible? The power of relics is obvious from scripture.
+--- 14933833
+>>14933802
+Such as?
+--- 14935389
+>>14931385 (OP)
+nah it was cool

his/14931667.txt

@@ -64,3 +64,425 @@ do their biblical interpretations not have anything to do with that?
 >>14932225
 >>14932246
 Congregationalism is the tradition named after its polity, like presbyterianism
+--- 14932337
+if you lived somewhere that had no Congregationalist church nearby but had a Reformed Baptist church and a Presbyterian one, which would you be more likely to attend and why?
+--- 14933367
+>>14932337
+Just a case by case really
+--- 14933388
+Do you believe in Apostolic succession and the real presence of Christ, body and soul, in the Eucharist?
+--- 14933394
+>>14933388
+I wouldn't answer that without clarification since it's a loaded question
+--- 14933411
+>>14933394
+Apostolic succession - you need to trace the line of people who become Bishops to the early Apostles
+
+Real presence: A mysterious transformation takes place, where the priest envokes the Holy Spirit so that the Eucharist becomes the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ
+--- 14933452
+>>14933411
+They come from the reformed tradition. That should answer your question.
+--- 14933468
+>>14933411
+Congregationalists have a congregational view of church government and a classically reformed view of succession and of the sacraments
+
+In the Cambridge platform ordination is performed by the elders in the local church with participation from elders in sister churches. The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament
+ and early church.
+Christ's presence is "real" in the eucharist but transubstantiation is rejected as a medieval innovation and one that as Calvin argued violates Christ's human nature. Contra presbyterians congregationalists have generally incorporated the German reformed "mystical presence" view of the 19th century mercersburg movement. Mercersburg was compared to the Oxford movement if you're familiar with that.
+--- 14933507
+How many more weeks until the apocalypse? Two?
+--- 14933511
+>>14933507
+Dunno
+--- 14933537
+>>14933511
+Well the governing body of JW says it’s imminent and 1914 represents a generation that will not pass away due to biblical prophecy. 
+
+I chose to stand with the intellectual heavyweights at Bethel.
+--- 14933657
+TULIP? true, false or some of both?
+--- 14933668
+>>14933657
+Congregationalists are on both sides but historically reformed
+--- 14933727
+>>14933668
+I mean "reformed" can be such a nebulous term. Calvin himself seemed to be unsure on the idea of limited atonement. At times he seems to favor both unlimited and limited atonement. Arminius is a big part of the reformed tradition, after all.
+--- 14933749
+>>14933727
+I agree with that, even your point about Arminius as historically a member of the reformed tradition. The primary confessional document is the savoy declaration which is essentially Westminster and affirms tulip
+--- 14933752
+>>14931667 (OP)
+why didn't you decide to learn about something useful?
+--- 14933767
+>>14933537
+>intellectual heavyweights
+--- 14933897
+>>14931667 (OP)
+Why don’t you follow a tradition actually supported by the fathers?
+--- 14933997
+>>14933897
+Let's study that question
+Here's the definitive collection of the fathers produced by a UCC predecessor
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers?wprov=sfla1
+
+You can read all of it for free on ccel.org thanks to Calvin university
+https://ccel.org
+
+All of this made possible because the protestant reformation made way for the modern study of patristics via the reformers point that various catholic practices were medieval innovations. Going back to the fathers served to settle the issue, which is why Calvin, Luther and others made so much use of them.
+Let me know what you find!
+--- 14934031
+>>14933997
+ChatGPT is faster
+--- 14934156
+>>14933997
+>Let me know what you find!
+
+“What is the best patristic evidence for Congregationalist polity?”
+
+>It is important to note that the Congregationalist polity, as it exists today, is a product of the Reformation and post-Reformation era and is not directly supported by the writings of the early church fathers.
+
+>That being said, proponents of the Congregationalist polity often point to certain patristic writings to support their view of the autonomy of individual congregations. For example, they may point to passages in the New Testament that emphasize the importance of local church communities and the role of the congregation in decision-making (such as Acts 6:1-7 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-13).
+
+>Additionally, some proponents of the Congregationalist polity may point to the writings of certain church fathers who emphasized the importance of local communities and the priesthood of all believers. For example, Tertullian, a prominent early church theologian, wrote that "the rule of faith requires that we should leave nothing doubtful and ambiguous with regard to God," and argued that each individual Christian had the responsibility to interpret Scripture for themselves and live according to their own conscience.
+
+>However, it is important to note that these passages and writings are not necessarily endorsing the Congregationalist polity as it exists today, and they must be understood within their historical and theological contexts. The Congregationalist polity is a product of a specific historical and cultural context, and while it draws on certain theological and scriptural ideas, it is not directly supported by the writings of the early church fathers.
+
+Oof. A product of 16th century thought? How surprising!
+--- 14934177
+>>14933997
+>Let me know what you find!
+
+“What sort of polity is found in the fathers?”
+
+>The polity or structure of the early Christian church as described in the writings of the church fathers was primarily hierarchical in nature. This hierarchy was centered around the bishop, who was seen as the leader of the local church community and held authority over the clergy and laity.
+
+>The bishop was assisted by a council of presbyters (priests) who helped him to govern the community and perform the sacraments. Deacons were also present in the community and helped to administer charity and aid the bishop in various tasks.
+
+>The church fathers also recognized the existence of regional and universal church authorities, such as the metropolitan bishops and the patriarchs, who oversaw multiple local church communities and helped to resolve disputes and maintain unity among them.
+
+>Overall, the early church polity was characterized by a strong emphasis on the unity and authority of the local church community under the leadership of the bishop. While there were also recognized authorities at higher levels, the bishop was seen as the primary authority figure in the local community. This hierarchical polity has evolved over time and is still present in many Christian denominations today, particularly in the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Anglican churches.
+--- 14934190
+>>14934156
+>>14934177
+It's wrong
+Make a thread about this if you want
+--- 14934199
+>>14934190
+“Which patristic writings detail metropolitans and patriarchs?”
+
+>The concept of metropolitans and patriarchs, as higher levels of church authority beyond the local bishop, developed gradually over the course of the early Christian church. As such, there is not one single patristic writing that details the entire development of this hierarchy. However, there are several patristic writings that provide evidence for the existence and roles of metropolitans and patriarchs in the early Christian church. Here are a few examples:
+
+>The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which was attended by many of the church fathers, established the first five patriarchates: Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople. These patriarchates were given authority over their respective regions, and the bishops of each patriarchate were referred to as patriarchs.
+
+>In his Letter to Cyprian, the third-century bishop Firmilian of Caesarea defends the role of metropolitans as intermediaries between the local bishop and the patriarch.
+
+>In his Ecclesiastical History, the fourth-century historian Eusebius of Caesarea describes the establishment of the metropolitan see of Alexandria by the apostle Mark, and the subsequent appointment of a series of bishops to oversee the surrounding region.
+
+>In his Letter to the Romans, Ignatius of Antioch refers to the bishop of Rome as the "presiding officer" of the universal church, suggesting a recognition of the importance of the Roman bishop as a central authority figure.
+
+>Overall, these writings provide evidence for the development of a hierarchical polity in the early Christian church, with metropolitans and patriarchs occupying positions of higher authority beyond the local bishop.
+
+What’s wrong?
+--- 14934214
+“More sources please”
+
+>Here are a few more patristic sources that provide evidence for the development of metropolitans and patriarchs in the early Christian church:
+
+>In his Letter to the Corinthians, Clement of Rome, who was bishop of Rome in the late first century, appeals to the authority of the church of Rome and exhorts the Corinthians to submit to the authority of their local bishop. This suggests an early recognition of the importance of the bishop of Rome as a central authority figure within the church.
+
+>In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ignatius of Antioch writes of the importance of unity within the church and the role of the bishop in maintaining that unity. He also speaks of the bishop as a spiritual father to his flock and exhorts the faithful to obey their bishop.
+
+>In his Commentary on the Epistle to the Ephesians, Ignatius' contemporary, the theologian and bishop of Lyon, Irenaeus, writes of the importance of apostolic succession and the authority of the bishop as the successor of the apostles. He also speaks of the role of metropolitans in overseeing groups of local churches and preserving the unity of the church.
+
+>In his On the Holy Spirit, Basil of Caesarea, a fourth-century bishop and theologian, writes of the importance of the hierarchical structure of the church and the role of the bishop as a mediator between God and the faithful. He also speaks of the role of metropolitans in overseeing groups of local churches and providing support to local bishops.
+
+>These writings, along with others, provide evidence for the development of the hierarchical structure of the early Christian church, with bishops, metropolitans, and patriarchs occupying positions of authority and responsibility beyond the local church community.
+--- 14934309
+>>14934190
+Ok I’m done. Would be interested in any counter-arguments you’d be able to bring forth to support your view as opposed to just linking to a vast library and saying “g’awn, read” as if to imply that the evidence is on your side.
+--- 14934349
+>>14934309
+Broad strokes
+>New testament polity is prescriptive
+>New testament polity is that of a plurality of elders (a presbytery) + deacons in each congregation
+>Presbyters and episkopos (bishops) are interchangeable terms referring to the same office
+>Early church polity is a mixed bag, often ad hoc especially before the edict of Milan 
+>The rise of a historic episcopate ruling over various congregations is a development (as stated in your ChatGPT replies
+
+For a very direct explanation of our polity I recommend reading the relevant sections of the Cambridge platform and for point 1 google an article in 9marks called "why new testament polity is prescriptive"
+
+I made the thread to answer questions about my tradition not for you to trot out your talking points
+--- 14934361
+>>14931667 (OP)
+Why are so many so gay?
+--- 14934399
+>>14934349
+>why new testament polity is prescriptive
+
+“Is it true that in the Bible, ‘there is no hint of the transmission of the peculiar apostolic functions’?”
+
+>It is not entirely accurate to say that there is no hint of the transmission of the apostolic functions in the Bible. In fact, the New Testament provides several indications of the transmission of the apostolic functions to others after the death of the original apostles.
+
+>For example, in Acts 1:20-26, the disciples cast lots to choose a replacement for Judas Iscariot, who had betrayed Jesus and died. Matthias was chosen to take his place, and the text implies that he was given the same apostolic authority as the other disciples.
+
+>Additionally, in 1 Timothy 4:14 and 2 Timothy 1:6, the apostle Paul speaks of the laying on of hands as a means of conferring spiritual gifts and authority on others. In Acts 13:3, the church at Antioch laid hands on Paul and Barnabas and sent them out as missionaries, suggesting that the apostolic authority and functions were being transmitted to them.
+
+>Moreover, the letters of the New Testament are addressed to various churches and individuals, indicating that there were leaders and authorities in these communities who were responsible for their governance and spiritual oversight.
+
+>Therefore, while the New Testament does not provide a detailed blueprint for the transmission of apostolic authority, it does suggest that the apostolic functions were passed on to others after the original apostles, and that there were leaders and authorities within the early Christian communities who carried on the work of the apostles.
+
+Noticing dishonest stuff already.
+--- 14934425
+>>14934399
+"Can males be women?"
+--- 14934431
+>>14931667 (OP)
+What is christian congregationalism?
+--- 14934445
+>>14934399
+You've also fundamentally misconstrued the point of that quote in taking it out of context. Are you a pentecostal who believes the office of apostle is still in effect? Is there a reason you picked out that phrase, other than to coax a desired response?
+
+>>14934431
+A reformed tradition stemming from the English nonconformist movement, notably the tradition of the 17th century new England pilgrims
+--- 14934463
+Is it better to be in a liberal Presbyterian church or a hyper Calvinist Baptist church? Those are my only options in terms of Reformed churches in my area.
+--- 14934535
+>>14934463
+I don't think there's a tidy answer to that one. If the presby church is at all sizeable I can almost guarantee there are moderates and conservatives in it. There's a deliberate organization of conservatives in the PCUSA called the fellowship community which seeks to hold the line.
+Hyper Calvinist anything is nice when they're very well studied and uncomfortable when domineering. 
+My personality, I might lean to the liberal one generally. The other question is which can you most effectively serve.
+--- 14934538
+>>14934445
+>You've also fundamentally misconstrued the point of that quote in taking it out of context
+The point is that he needs “the unrepeatable, non-transferable nature of the apostolic office” for his entire argument to work, and is too forceful in claiming it’s the case. More:
+>In sum, Leeman argues that in Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus grants to each local church the ambassadorial authority to representatively declare who does and does not belong to the kingdom of heaven.
+Is this really what is believed? Pretty ridiculous.
+>If in the New Testament multiple congregations sometimes constituted one church, then this would call into question my earlier argument that the local congregation held final authority over matters of membership and discipline. If one church consists of multiple congregations, then who has authority over whom? Yet I’ve argued that the New Testament doesn’t support this assertion, and in fact the evidence from Jerusalem, Antioch, and Corinth indicates that groups called “churches” regularly assembled as unified wholes.
+Is he really saying that each of these cities had just one fundamental congregation (the church in Jerusalem, the church in Antioch, etc.) and that each one is the ancient equivalent to modern Congregationalist congregations? Lol. Which church does your parish correspond to, the church in Jerusalem or the church in Corinth? :v
+--- 14934547
+>>14931667 (OP)
+What are you gonna do when every church on the planet accepts homos by 2050?
+--- 14934563
+>>14934547
+Peach Romans 1 without any ecclesiastical risk, since again the congregation is autonomous
+--- 14934581
+>>14931667 (OP)
+what does congregationalism mean?
+also, thats a pretty church
+--- 14934598
+>>14934445
+>stemming from the English nonconformist movement, notably the tradition of the 17th century new England pilgrims
+Oh okay, so an extremely specific, boarder-line autistic doctrine that will never be widely used or make any change in the world ever. Its adherents will slowly die off with the rest of the western civilization and that will be the end of it. God it, thanks.
+--- 14934611
+>>14934598
+It’s already completely dead in New England, beautiful (somewhat creepy) well-maintained churches that are museums.
+--- 14934619
+>>14931667 (OP)
+Do all congregationalists suck off Martin Luther as much as you do or is that a personal preference?
+--- 14934706
+>>14934563
+The pastors respond to your citing of Romans 1 by pointing out that the passage, in its broad context, is referring to people who are murderous, envious, given over to all sorts of heinous unnatural acts; while the homosexuals of their congregation are decent men and women, pious doves.
+
+They then ask you to leave the Church and stop harassing their homosexual congregants. What do you do now?
+--- 14934833
+>>14934706
+I'm the elder preaching in this context so your scenario doesn't arise
+--- 14934914
+>>14934706
+Lol
+--- 14934932
+>>14934833
+Do you own the church? Are there proceedings to evict you? Your gay congregations perform those. If not, your church empties. What now?
+--- 14935100
+>>14934932
+Sure there's proceedings for members to remove a minister, but the minister and members are more likely to be on the same page than a presbytery or diocese and minister as in other polity.
+If removed from office for preaching the truth I rejoice in my trial and shake the dust of my sandals to move on. The church is more likely to empty after such an event as it happens, theological conservatism is related to church growth.
+--- 14935124
+>>14935100
+Yeah and the Southern Baptists were growing too. Until they crashed. Very soon you will be the last homophobe alive in America
+--- 14935138
+>>14935124
+>crashed
+The sbc is a model denomination in this respect because they have not suffered a crash. They grew enormously as a result of the conservative resurgence and have only just begun to moderately decline, even though NAMB church planting is strong.
+The big change in the sbc has been the shift to megachurches as a major share of membership even while the average sbc church is like 20.
+
+Not that denominational growth is even a relevant factor in doctrine. Once the whole world was Arian and against Athanasius.
+--- 14936029
+>>14935138
+The SBC endorses a corrupt Bible and has for some time now. I can tell because they haven't even double checked it or noticed the serious errors in it. That's enough for me to know they aren't serious. And I could only wish they were.
+
+>Once the whole world was Arian and against Athanasius.
+The world has always been majority wicked, this is a central point of the New Testament. That's the broad way to destruction. There has always been few that have not bowed the knee to Baal next to the majority. These are those whom God has kept separate and sanctified. See 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (KJV).
+--- 14936030
+>>14935124
+>you will be the last homophobe alive in America
+Argumentum ad populum
+--- 14936447
+>>14931687
+>Liturgical worship
+How's the general format of your liturgy
+--- 14936464
+>>14936029
+The KJV is a terrible translation. Theres over thousand errors in it alone:
+https://superiorword.org/errors-in-the-king-james-version/
+
+Its source, the Textus Receptus, majority of its manuscripts comes from the 1200s. Thats 1100 years of a game of telephone. Meanwhile, modern day bibles use manuscripts from the 400s, making them much more closer to what the original manuscripts said.
+--- 14936539
+>>14936464
+Can you explain in your own words what you think is wrong with this translation? I get that there's a lot of people who hate it out there, don't get me wrong, but please explain in direct terms what the supposed errors are. Rather than linking to extremely long and verbose articles.
+
+>Its source, the Textus Receptus, majority of its manuscripts comes from the 1200s.
+Theodore Beza in the late 1500s worked with manuscripts like Codex Bezae and Codex Claromontanus, which are from the early 1st millennium AD.
+>Meanwhile, modern day bibles use manuscripts from the 400s, making them much more closer to what the original manuscripts said.
+Being old doesn't guarantee accuracy. There's a reason why the vast majority of biblical manuscripts follow the same pattern, and there's just a few anomalies. Also, the two main codices you are referring to, Vaticanus (B) and Sinaiticus (Aleph) differ vastly from one another. People basically just piece together some new version for themselves that they like based on some combination of these and others mixed in where they want. That's why translations like the NIV and NLT, and even the ESV, include strange variations that are only found in one or two manuscripts and contradict the other 99% of evidence covering certain passages. The bottom line is that while these groups claim to be following the evidence, it's really just their presuppositions that they're following.
+
+Also, it's important to point out that other evidence exists as to the content of the New Testament that goes back to the 3rd century (200s AD) and even earlier, but it isn't in manuscript form. It comes in the form of direct quotations of Scripture from other writers, some of which is in Greek and other times in other languages. This helps to verify what we know from the manuscript evidence as well.
+--- 14936566
+>>14931687
+>paedobaptism
+--- 14936611
+>>14933468
+>The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament
+>and early church.
+
+Matthew 18:17-18 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
+
+Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.
+
+Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.
+--- 14936614
+>>14931667 (OP)
+Why do you believe in a magic sky jew?
+--- 14936615
+>>14936539
+>Can you explain in your own words what you think is wrong with this translation? 
+The link i provided highlights every specific verse wrong with the KJV. Its not an "extremely long and verbose articles."
+
+>Theodore Beza in the late 1500s worked with manuscripts like Codex Bezae
+
+>Critics of the Textus Receptus are fond of pointing out that Erasmus used only a small handful of 12th century manuscripts when he created his first Textus Receptus but as we have seen this is not true. Further to this the Textus Receptus was refined by Stephanus in 1550 and refined even further by Theodore Beza in 1598. 
+>Among the manuscripts Theodore Beza used in his translation work he had the Codex Bezae
+>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.
+As you see 99% of the TR is based on 1200s manuscripts.
+
+>It has commonly been held that the manuscript originated in Southern France around the beginning of the sixth century.
+The Codex Beza is from the 500s.
+
+>Vaticanus, Sinaiticus
+Dated from the 300s
+
+200 Year game of telephone vs 1100 Year game of telephone.
+
+>People basically just piece together some new version for themselves that they like based on some combination of these and others mixed in where they want.
+How is this any different from the TR? Beza pieced together manuscripts from 500s with manuscripts from the 1200s.
+--- 14936618
+>>14936447
+https://lifecallingarticles.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/worshipsourcebook.pdf
+
+>>14936611
+amen
+--- 14936623
+>>14933468
+>The office of bishop in the catholic sense doesn't exist because it is alien to the new testament
+>and early church.
+
+Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.
+
+1 Corinthians 16:16 That you also be subject to such, and to every one that worketh with us, and laboureth.
+
+1 Thessalonians 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them who labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you:
+
+Hebrews 13:7 Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation,
+
+Hebrews 13:24 Salute all your prelates, and all the saints. The brethren from Italy salute you.
+--- 14936624
+>>14936623
+amen amen
+--- 14936636
+>>14936615
+>How is this any different from the TR? Beza pieced together manuscripts from 500s with manuscripts from the 1200s.
+The Textus Receptus is based on thousands of manuscripts and the agreement between them. Aleph and B are just two manuscripts that often disagree with each other. Oftentimes, translators of various new translations will resort to other manuscripts when these two fail.
+
+For instance, most translations still include Mark 16:9-20, even despite the fact that these two codices are virtually the only ones that agree in excluding it.
+
+In general, the TR represents a continuous line of manuscripts that was used in every age and it still has thousands of examples surviving today. The same can't be said for any other type, and constructs like the Nestle-Aland text or the Westcott and Hort text on which it was established are artificial; they differ greatly for their sources in places where Aleph and B happen to fail, because those are only two manuscripts. These editions of the Greek NT don't really represent any ancient text in their entirety. But the TR does represent a continuous and well-attested manuscript tradition with thousands of examples, providing good coverage of every passage in the New Testament, including Revelation (unlike the early editions of Erasmus).
+
+The reason why Beza didn't change much is simply because there wasn't that much variation between the newer one and the older ones. That is supposed to be a good thing. If you make a compilation based on thousands of copies written in later history, then find early examples that reflect the same text, so that an editor does not need to alter it substantially, this is a good thing. It is not a bad thing. It means that the same text that was used later is the same as that which was used earlier.
+
+>200 Year game of telephone
+I don't get your point. Explain (in your own words) what this means?
+--- 14936659
+>>14936636
+>The Textus Receptus is based on thousands of manuscripts and the agreement between them. Aleph and B are just two manuscripts that often disagree with each other. Oftentimes, translators of various new translations will resort to other manuscripts when these two fail.
+read
+https://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/
+
+>represents a continuous line of manuscripts that was used in every age and it still has thousands of examples surviving today.
+sugarcoating it being 1200s manuscripts.
+
+>That is supposed to be a good thing.
+it shows that the TR is based on 1200s manuscripts and makes me question the authenticity of the Beza.
+
+>I don't get your point. Explain (in your own words) what this means?
+im not trying to be insulting, but is English your first language? If you dont know what a "Game of Telephone" is then look it up.
+--- 14936663
+>>14931667 (OP)
+Is Congregationalism like the Puritans? 
+
+You realize Catholicism is the OG one right?
+--- 14936665
+>>14936659
+>If you dont know what a "Game of Telephone" is then look it up.
+That has nothing to do with written manuscripts, anon. That has to do with oral traditions, which is not what is being talked about.
+
+>sugarcoating it being 1200s manuscripts.
+I already told you that the people who compiled the TR used older manuscripts as well. Is the fact that later writings agreed with the older manuscripts supposed to be a bad thing? How is it a bad thing that older manuscripts agreed with these? I suppose you are just trying to draw out the argument for no reason now, so this is the last response you're getting right now.
+--- 14936683
+>>14936663
+your opinion
+--- 14936684
+>>14936665
+>That has to do with oral traditions
+Are you retarded? A Game of Telephone does not have to be exclusively oral. Now im beginning to doubt English is your first language.
+
+>I already told you that the people who compiled the TR used older manuscripts as well. 
+
+>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.
+The TR is based on 1200s manuscripts. You think its a good thing that Beza couldnt find any differences. I think its bad and makes me question the authenticity of the Codex Bezae.
+
+The original bible manuscripts will always be different from the ones we have based on the Game of Telephone. 
+Again, read 
+https://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/
+--- 14936696
+>>14936665
+Also, while I'm at it, the other writings mentioned at the end of this post >>14936539 also confirm that the received readings are ancient.
+
+The fact that Greek manuscripts such as Codex Bezae (c. 500) which covers the Gospels and Acts, and Codex Claromontanus (c. 550) which covers the Pauline epistles, were used by the TR editors seems to be ignored here. The TR is based on many ancient manuscripts, not just a few divergent ones, which are copies going back to the original copies. A few corrupted manuscripts that were not used for over 1000 years are not relevant to the discussion as far as the inspired word of God is concerned. Also, the people who oppose the Bible generally seem to be the ones arguing for a fake corrupted text instead, which is too bad, as it's a waste of everyone's time being argued by a nonbeliever and a non-Christian to advance a deliberately corrupted text.
+
+>>14936684
+Stop wasting my time, anon.
+--- 14936708
+>>14936696
+>a fake corrupted text instead
+Oh yes, I shouldn't say this as if it was one text, but rather an endless mixture of all sorts of different disagreeing versions. The Nestle-Aland version even contains words that are not found in a single manuscript, such as at Acts 16:12 and more recently they added one in 2 Peter 3:10. The multiple-version-only crowd takes a position that doesn't even make logical sense.
+--- 14936713
+>>14936696
+>The fact that Greek manuscripts such as Codex Bezae (c. 500) which covers the Gospels and Acts, and Codex Claromontanus (c. 550) which covers the Pauline epistles, were used by the TR editors seems to be ignored here.
+
+>Despite his diligent work he could only find a relatively small number of refinements and many of these were so minor they make no difference to the text in an English translation.
+Again, 1200s manuscripts. 
+>is based on many ancient manuscripts
+doesnt really matter if its a 99% match with manuscripts from the 1200s.
+
+>A few corrupted manuscripts that were not used for over 1000 years are not relevant to the discussion 
+read
+https://christianpublishinghouse.co/2019/11/13/comparison-of-codex-sinaiticus-and-codex-vaticanus/
+
+>Stop wasting my time, anon.
+>>14936665
+>"this is the last response you're getting right now."
+Not surprised Christcuck is a liar.
+--- 14936725
+>>14936713
+>Not surprised Christcuck is a liar.
+Maybe if you read more carefully you will realize that's not a lie, Satan. Also why do you care?

his/14931801.txt

@@ -269,3 +269,680 @@ So, all in all, Socialists and Communists believing in "total liberation" manage
 The meth head barely won, then proceeded to burn Europe to the ground.
 
 Moral of the story: Monarchies are required for Europeans to NOT be retarded.
+--- 14932292
+>>14932257
+>You're a Hitler larper equivalent to a Stalin larper.
+
+?
+
+I think you're talking about a different anon.
+
+>>14932269
+Thank you for giving me an answer!
+I would like to read up more on this. Do you have any links to the information you provided?
+--- 14932302
+>>14932292
+Memory mostly
+Though most of this stuff is pretty easy to find and admittedly some is pieced together from speeches given the writings, and lives, of most of the involved parties ended with the meth head's rise to power.
+
+I'd start at the Kiel Sailors Revolt and move on from their.
+You'll learn Hitler was a communist at one point.
+--- 14932311
+>>14932269
+But center-right conservatives led the Wiemar years through a coalition (they were unquestionably at the head of) with the SPD under the threat that if the SPD didn't play along with them they would break off and form a coalition with the NSDAP, which they eventually did (when they were getting desperate as both the conservatives AND the Nazis were slowly losing traction to the KPD) and how Hitler got power.
+--- 14932334
+>>14932302
+>>14932311
+
+Do one of you know (or have) a chart of the ethic makeup of the KPD or any leftist parties in the Weimer Republic? Oh and even the makeup of right parties of the Weimar Republic would be nice to look at.
+--- 14932335
+>>14932199
+Post-WW1, it was simply depressing. Millions of your countrymen dying and your economy being destroyed will do that to a country. Hyper inflation followed, I believe the worst inflation that we have ever seen in history, until the government pushed through some reforms and fixed it. 
+From 1924 to 1929, the Weimar Republic was fairly good. The economy was doing well, the society was much more liberal than before but anything outrageous such as Magnus Hirschfeld's transgender "studies" were rejected as most of the populace still had a 20th century mindset. Art and entertainment fields also flourished. This period is called the Golden 20s. 
+In 1929, the Wall Street Crash happened and the situation became apocalyptic. Germany was hit the hardest by the Crash, the economy was in shambles and people couldn't get jobs, many citizens were starving with no way out. As a result of this many women, and even children of both sexes, resorted to prostitution to put food on the table. People turned to either extreme hedonism to take their minds off the terrible situation they were in, or they became disillusioned with democracy and shifted towards the radical ideas of the Communists and National Socialists. Thus political violence also reached an all time high in Germany until the rise of Hitler to power.
+--- 14932340
+>>14932302
+>You'll learn Hitler was a communist at one point.
+Which isn't surprising because communism is simply Socialism taken to it's logical extreme.
+Also you will learn that Antifa originated in Germany after WW1 as Antifaschistische Aktion and was directly funded by the USSR. 
+Modern day Antifa are pro-socialist and pro-communist. They call everything Hitler related Fascism despite fascism being Italian socialism. 
+The fascism battle cry hides the fact that they actually support the forms of government used by Nazi Germany and Mussolini Italy.
+--- 14932343
+>>14932302
+Hitler was never communist. Read Mein Kampf.
+--- 14932362
+>>14932343
+Mein kampf is full of lies dude
+--- 14932365
+>>14932343
+>Mein Kampf.
+That was published in 1925 long after his temporary interests with communism.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpuGRO72GbA [Embed]
+--- 14932368
+>>14932362
+Show me 1 (one) lie in Mein Kampf.
+--- 14932372
+>>14931857
+>jews were behind it all
+Proof?
+--- 14932379
+>>14932368
+Dude I'm not going to re-read an entire book to prove a point on 4chinz
+Though the fact it was written by a politician should be enough
+--- 14932390
+No.
+
+Germany was introduced to democracy during hard times. Thats where things begin to go wrong.
+
+The problem was that Germans didn't know what to make of democracy, they've never had it, nor did they believe in it. They often blamed democracy for their problems, there was an assumed correlation to the situation. 
+The parliament was just a war of thuggery between all parties, especially the radicals. Everyone was looking for ways to abuse the system to block or attack each others. In the last years before Hitler they had like 4 re-elections. Just look at some of the NSADP top ministers like Wilhelm Frick to get an idea how their political career looked like.
+The only way to get anything done was the chancellor enacting emergency power to pass laws and legislations, so that practice it became almost standard.
+
+This is how Hitler abolished democracy once he himself was named chancellor.
+--- 14932394
+>>14932012
+>France crippled their economy
+>by imposing a treaty with lighter terms than the Treaty of Frankfurt (which France followed and paid in full)
+>and also forgiving the majority of the terms set in the Treaty of Versailles
+>all of this after the Germans purposefully razed the most industrialised and industrial-resource-rich regions in France during their retreat
+>despite not a single enemy boot ever falling foot in Germany
+Wow!
+--- 14932397
+>>14932257
+>Doesn't matter what you think anon. You are objectively stupid.
+Inbred jew losing his temper
+>Yep, to prevent a second world war
+They had started it at that point, over a regional conflict between Germany and Poland.
+>because it was obvious to many people what Germany was doing at that point.
+Which is? Tell me, mind reader. Building super soldiers in a lab to take over the US?
+>You obviously haven't heard of any of the other alliances Poland had post WW1 because you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Polish_alliance.
+You literally proved me right Britain and France never gave a fuck about Poland, they always just wanted to weaken and surround Germany.. Poland was an arbitrary line in the sand, and yes the UK did declare that they and France would come to Poland's defense.
+>They didn't start and lose WW2 anon.
+Ahahaha. The UK is a US colony post 1945. They did start a global war by choosing to escalate a regional conflict, and they got a communist-controlled Europe for their troubles. Your premise is based on bullshit to bein with. Hitler never declared war on the UK.
+>Hitler was pro German
+That's a good thing retard. Every government should serve the people it cannot exist without, not exploit them and hide behind guns while orchestrating genocide.
+>He wasn't pro white people.
+Hitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot. He was not blindly exterminating people for not meeting No, he was not a Pan-Europeanist and would capture territories for Germans to live in. None of these faggot governments are "pro-white". I fucking hate this shilled talking point. What does it even mean to be "pro-white"? American? Because Europeans have fought over territory, resources, and power for thousands of years.
+>Yet he killed more Germans than Jews. 
+No shit, there are more Germans than jews and he was chancellor of Germany through a deadly war. Mutts also gave communists the weapons they needed to stop Germany. They are to blame for the spread of communism in Europe.
+--- 14932402
+>>14932390
+This niggerkike lies
+--- 14932405
+>>14932394
+
+Also dont forget this "unfair beyond worlds" territory loss of Germany was a fraction of the territory demands Germany imposed on Imperial Russia during their peace negoatioations.
+
+Germany also go off quite lightly compared to their allies who lost nearly 80 percent of their territory yet didnt feel the need to cause a new world war.
+--- 14932407
+>>14932405
+And don't forget you're a niggerkike
+--- 14932409
+>>14932379
+I accept your concession.
+--- 14932410
+>>14932402
+
+Whats inaccurate
+--- 14932416
+>>14931869
+>>14931878
+--- 14932419
+>>14932405
+All the areas that Germany cut off weren't even majority Russian lol, why do you people turn into Tsarsimps whenever this shit is brought up
+--- 14932420
+>>14932410
+Why the fuck are you spacing like this? 
+>dey couldn't handle democracy!
+Germany was a war-torn shithole, pretending otherwise is retardation
+--- 14932424
+>>14932420
+It wasn't. It became one of the richest European countries by 1927. You're completely clueless about the topic.
+--- 14932437
+>>14932419
+
+The huge amount of land Germany demanded in Brest-Litovsk treaty had been historically Russia for hundreds of years, and absolutely not German.
+There was probably just as many ethnic Russians in those lands as there were ethnic Germans in the new Polish lands.
+
+The argument is that Germany had no historic or demographic justification to annex all that land from Imperial Russia, yet they cry blue murder about the Versailles treaty because Poland did not have any historical justification to their regions.
+
+You're also justifying the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe after ww2 when you insist that external demographic is a rightous cause for war of aggression. Your argument is that the allies should have expelled ALL Germans from Czechoslovakia and Poland so that the nazis couldnt sperg out and start a world war.
+--- 14932445
+>>14931801 (OP)
+It was okay, could be better. 
+
+>Many say it's a reason why the NatSocs rose to power
+A meme. Their putsch failed because no one joined them. In 1928 they got 2.5% votes or so. You have all those hacks writing how it was inevitable, but that's just pure nonsense. Hacks just like simple stories about 'degeneracy' causing collapse. 
+It's why they called Berlin modern Babylon, compared Weimar to a collapsing Rome and so on.
+--- 14932449
+>>14932424
+Rich countries survive on loans?
+--- 14932453
+They had hyper-inflation and were re-invaded by the French because even by printing money they couldn't pay off their demands (occupation of the Ruhr). 
+The German Reichsbank were effectively taken over by the French, the Americans and British in 1925. (Dawes Plan)
+The ""Rich"" times following the subsequent 2 years after involved a loan of wall street bonds overseen by US private banks and the State to make sure the central bank they had stolen did not lose it's value in the short-term. 
+
+Weimar was always a total mess with little to no redeming qualities. 
+They were effectively making things worse by handing over the reins of their economy under threat of invasion without being willing to fight back.
+--- 14932457
+>>14932397
+>Inbred jew losing his temper
+Autistic upset Nazi larper calling random people Jews.
+>>14932397
+>They had started it at that point
+Britain and France didn't invade Poland buddy.
+>>14932397
+>Which is? Tell me
+Preparing to invade Poland.
+>>14932397
+>You literally proved me right Britain and France never gave a fuck about Poland
+So you contradict yourself by claiming their declaration of war was a serious threat against Germany? Not very smart anon.
+>>14932397
+>Ahahaha. The UK is a US colony post 1945
+Umm. No they are not. And Hitler invaded Poland starting WW2. And continued the war by invading France, Demark, Norway, Romania etc just goes on and on.
+>That's a good thing retard
+No it isn't. Hitler wasn't pro white he was pro Germany the country. So he killed more Germans than Jews and Killed millions of white non-Germans. 
+>Hitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot.
+Italy, that he broke off at the end of the war and purposely burnt down Roman archeological artifacts.
+The USSR, he gave away much of Europe to the USSR and then changed his mind to attack the USSR and lost. The USSR then retaining control of European countries thanks to the carnage and chaos left behind by Hitler post WW2
+Hitler wanted an alliance with China but that fell through so he allied with Japan out of desperation. 
+He also had foreign Indian, Muslim and black soldiers fighting for him who hated Britain and France. 
+>No shit
+So that's why he's your hero. He killed way more white people than Jews and sold off much of Europe to the USSR. Great job mentally ill anon.
+--- 14932459
+>>14932449
+
+In a sense yes.
+--- 14932462
+Here's a bill valued at 50 trillion marks from 1923.
+You tell me.
+--- 14932467
+>>14932420
+What's funny is that the wild inflation that everyone points to when they talk about Weimar Germany wasn't caused by socialist incompetence, but by the Germans throwing a tantrum when the French occupied northwestern Germany because they refused to pay denbts. The ludicrous amount of marks printed was used both to pay for the French occupation and, as a result, also devalue the franc, to which the mark was closely tied. Despite all this, their economy not only quickly (relatively speaking at least, much faster than their neighbors who actually got the shit bombed out of them to the point of former farmlands TO THIS DAY being unusable) recovered, but came out much stronger than it was before the war by 1927.
+>>14932449
+Debt is literally what the global economy runs on, are you retarded?
+--- 14932473
+>>14932397
+>They had started it at that point, over a regional conflict between Germany and Poland.
+
+
+Anon please tell me about how USA started the Korean War.
+I mean, why didnt they just mind their own business?
+--- 14932478
+>>14932467
+>they refused to pay denbts
+They were willing but unable because hyper-inflation had closed all currency trading available to them and the French weren't going to accept deutschemarks. 
+>quickly recovered
+Their central bank was directly taken over by foreign nations and they were given a small loan to stabilize things. 
+Something tells me people on here wouldn't be championing the US losing control over their central banks to Russia or China as the actions of a competent government.
+--- 14932479
+>>14932473
+>Anon please tell me about how USA started the Korean War.
+>I mean, why didnt they just mind their own busines
+It's an interventionist country run by kikes who couldn't care less about killing the cattle they rule over
+--- 14932480
+>>14932449
+>Rich countries survive on loans?
+They certainly do, look at America and Australia today. Infinite debt that they will never pay off.
+>>14932467
+>but by the Germans throwing a tantrum when the French occupied northwestern Germany because they refused to pay denbts
+THIS, also France was punished way more severely after the fall of Napoleon than Germany was after WW1.
+So the whole "Germany was picked on more than anyone else ever" crybaby bullshit is just that. Bullshit.
+--- 14932483
+>much faster than their neighbors who actually got the shit bombed out of them to the point of former farmlands 
+unironically what did the ESL mean by this
+--- 14932485
+>>14932479
+>It's an interventionist country run by kikes who couldn't care less about killing the cattle they rule over
+Very cool statement semi-retarded baby-brain anon. Goo goo gaa gaa.
+--- 14932487
+>>14932453
+What kind of retarded revisionist history is this? The West wanted to kickstart German economy which is why they loaned them so much money. The stupid shithole deliberately ruined their own economy by printing money and back then everyone ran on American loans. 
+Also, you have your chronology wrong. Hyper-inflation started after the French invaded Ruhr, not before. Before 1923 it was bad, but not that bad. It was manageable.
+--- 14932489
+>>14932467
+
+Hitler loving faggots has never picked up a book in their life. Do you seriously expect them to know anything about macroeconomics?
+--- 14932490
+>>14932479
+
+>What is hegemony
+>ITS AN INTERVENTIONIST COUNTRY RUN BY KIKES
+--- 14932491
+The big sign for me how Weimar really was as bad as people say is that extremely liberal pop historians in my country, the kind that can't mention a medieval war without waxing for pages about how horrible it was for the poor peasants and how war is never good except for Democratic Freedom Wars™ and great man theory is horrible right-wing theory for fascists no great man has ever decided anything etc etc wanted to write about Weimar but were told by their publisher that they weren't allowed to and that they would have to find another publisher for their future works if they did. Their publisher happens to be owned by a jewish family dynasty.
+--- 14932498
+Oh now, our country isn't richest in Europe anymore... it's just third! Also, the Poles! The Poles have now an independent country! Hitler save us! 
+
+Literally dindu nuffins of Europe. Meanwhile by 1924 Germany provokes a Polish-German trade war to destroy Polish economy and incorporate Western Poland to Germany. 
+
+>he German press openly praised the trade war, hoping it would lead to destruction of the Polish state. As the Frankfurter Zeitung wrote on 14 June 1924, "Poland must be mortally wounded after the trade war. With her blood her strength will flow away as well, and finally her independence"[19]
+What a poor country. Shitty expansionist empire that wanted to rule most of Europe lost a war, was treated with kid gloves and still cried about being oppressed by the French meanies.
+--- 14932503
+>>14932487
+>The West wanted to kickstart German economy 
+After they had taken control over their central bank and de-facto their economy.
+>The stupid shithole deliberately ruined their own economy by printing money
+The devaluation of the mark started with the first versailles payment in 1921, payments which had to be made in foreign currency, and became worse every subsequent payment.
+The entire reason they printed money in the first place was to buy foreign currency to pay off the French to avoid another war, which caused hyper-inflation that made it impossible to pay them off for a third-year which sparked the French to invade Germany again.
+>Also, you have your chronology wrong. Hyper-inflation started after the French invaded Ruhr, not before. 
+No. It was already unliveable at the end of 1922. Living costs had increased 17x over the span of half a year.
+--- 14932510
+>>14932498
+>The Poles have now an independent country! Hitler save us!
+Germany Gave Poland to the USSR you fucking retard. Poland was a shithole up to the late 1980's. I know because I visited my family their and hospitals were so underfunded that there wasn't enough hand antiseptic for surgeons so people were getting hepatitis after surgeries. 
+Also all the Soviet condominiums were built out of crumbly cheap asbestos filled concrete that gave many people lug cancer. You got fined for working overtime because that was capitalist etc.
+Most worryingly is that Poland recovered quickly in the 90's up to today but Ukraine stayed a shithole up to the present day conflict.
+--- 14932515
+>>14932503
+I don't know why you posted it. It literally shows that hyperinflation started in 1923. The French moved to Ruhr in January. There was inflation all over Europe back then.
+--- 14932520
+>>14932510
+I literally don't understand what you're trying to say and how is any of this related to relations between Germany and Poland in 1920s.
+--- 14932524
+>>14931990
+A War Torn county? Seriously? Germany itself was only briefly invaded in 1914 and that was it. It's industry, infrastructure, and production capacity were intact.
+--- 14932528
+>>14932520
+>I literally don't understand what you're trying to say
+I don't think you ever understand what anyone is ever saying full stop anon.
+>how is any of this related to relations between Germany and Poland in 1920s.
+Poland wouldn't have been part of the USSR if Hitler never existed.
+--- 14932530
+>>14932515
+>I don't know why you posted it. It literally shows that hyperinflation started in 1923.
+Look at the peak of 1922 and compare it to 1921 and tell me hyperinflation "started" in 1923 again.
+--- 14932537
+>>14932437
+>The argument is that Germany had no historic or demographic justification to annex all that land from Imperial Russia, yet they cry blue murder about the Versailles treaty because Poland did not have any historical justification to their regions.
+Germany balkanized Russia and created a buffer
+>Autistic upset Nazi larper calling random people Jews
+If you're defending kikes you probably are one
+>Britain and France didn't invade Poland buddy.
+Poland is not relevant to Britain or France hence why they let it succumb to a German and Soviet invasion, retard.
+>Umm. No they are not. And Hitler invaded Poland starting WW2
+Nope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in. 
+>So that's why he's your hero.
+Because he named and slayed the jew poisoning his country. He is eternally vindicated looking at the dystopia they created. And yes, they are to responsible for their own actions. Fuck off kike, you are the exact kind of parasite that uses media to poison people with self hatred, anti-natalism, pro-transgender, anti-christian propaganda.
+>Preparing to invade Poland.
+A country they never cared about, one irrelevant to Britain
+>by invading France,
+France declared war dumb faggot.
+>Demark, Norway,
+This was done to secure supplies the allies would have otherwise cut them off from.
+>and sold off much of Europe to the USSR.
+Mutts did that with their lend-lease program, soviets couldn't have taken Europe without them 
+>>Hitler had alliances with non-Germans faggot
+This is correct. 
+>he wanted to kill anyone for not being German
+You are pushing fanatic propaganda
+--- 14932540
+>>14932530
+So it went from 10 in 1921 to around 10,000 at the start of 1923. 
+And then in 1923 alone it went from 10,000 to 1,000,000,000,000. Like I said, it was manageable before the Germans decided to tank their economy. Mind you, they agreed on these terms, they were obligated to pay. And they very much could pay. Most historians agree.
+--- 14932551
+>>14932537
+>Poland is not relevant to Britain or France
+Wow, you people are beyond stupid. I'm guessing all those Polish-French treaties that replaced French-Russian treaties were just a practical joke. Little Entente was a prank too.
+--- 14932562
+>>14931857
+Don't accuse France like that. France didn't want Germany to keep existing at all. If Foch had had his way (and the only reason he didn't was because the French government wanted more American money), the German empire would have been dismantled into 6-8 smaller states. If memory serves, it was supposed to be Bavaria+Franconia, Bade-Wurttemberg, the Rhineland, Saxony+Thuringia, Brandenburg, Prussia, Hanover and Mecklemburg-Pomerania.
+--- 14932566
+>>14932540
+>manageable
+Evidently not since they couldn't buy enough foreign currency at that point to not get invaded and have their central bank taken over.
+--- 14932571
+>>14932540
+>And they very much could pay. Most historians agree.
+They obviously could not as the invasion in 1923 self-evidently shows.
+--- 14932572
+>>14932562
+Stupid Americans and British saved Germany, yes. Then Muricans fucked off and Brits became pussies who allowed them to rearm and start another world war.
+--- 14932578
+>>14932537
+
+Who are you quoting. I literally wrote nothing of that and it was probably the most dishonest paraphrasing you could have made.
+
+The argument was how harsh Versailles treaty was in perspective to the Brest-Litovsk treaty, and you start ranting about everything else.
+
+>Germany balkanized Russia and created a buffer
+And the allies created buffer nations to Germany.
+It doesnt change the fact that when Germany prevailed over one of their opponents in ww1, they imposed severely harsher territorial demands on their defeated enemy than the allies did on Germany.
+Other anons has also stated that Germany demanded harsh war reperations on France and occupied French industrial areas after their war in late 1800.
+
+The treaty of Versailles mirrored what the entente felt they could have expected from a German victory. Altough the Versailles treaty was harsh, it wasnt "beyond worlds" as the Germans claimed and did not justify a world war.
+
+>Nope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in.
+I somewhat agree with your argument. Britain and France should have invaded Germany the moment they remilitarized the Rhineland and began rearmament. It would have prevented ww2 as Germany was a meager force back then and not a regional power able to wage a world war against Britain.
+
+The biggest fault was allowing Hitler to annex Sudetenland. If Britain had said no there wouldnt be a thing Hitler could have done except going home and forget his little games.
+--- 14932579
+>>14932562
+>>14932572
+--- 14932584
+>>14932572
+The Foch plan even involved "national creation" by basically dismantling the German identity (in Austria too), heavily promoting local dialects to destroy mutual intelligibility, making each German successor state, in its very structure and administration, slightly different to help foster distinct identities, and even ensuring not all of them would actually be French vassals so that some could be turned into each other's enemies to foster division.
+The French had this shit all figured out.
+--- 14932587
+>>14932566
+I don't know why you constantly say this when it's not even true. Schacht was still the president of Reichsbank. Dawes Plan ended hyperinflation, ended occupation of Ruhr and made Germany a much richer country.
+--- 14932616
+>>14932578
+>And the allies created buffer nations to Germany.
+Never happened or you don't understand the term. Ukraine and Belarus were buffer states in 1918 as they were situated between two powers. Poland is just fuckmeat that was destined to get BTFO. France deserved those reparations for invading Prussia unprovoked but I will stop here. You are probably one of those long-nosed freaks with a grude against Germans
+--- 14932624
+>>14932587
+>Schacht was still the president of Reichsbank
+Under control of the allied forces. No longer having control of their own economy.
+--- 14932629
+It's funny how the main /pol/tard argument is insinuating that the prevailing allies in ww1 are responsible for ww2 because they didnt 
+
+1. Expell all German minorities from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Danzig into Germany
+
+2. Implement a Morgenthau Plan-esque peace treaty which would have destroyed the German nation
+
+3. Invade Germany the moment they broke the first points of the Versailles treaty
+
+I wonder if you guys realize how fucking dumb you are. You're telling us that the western allies should have treated the Germans like feral niggers and taken every possible step to impose a Carthaginian peace because Germans cant suck up and move on like the Turks did.
+--- 14932661
+>>14932629
+>3. Invade Germany the moment they broke the first points of the Versailles treaty
+They did do that.
+--- 14932662
+>>14932624
+Except that's not true. They still had control, it just wasn't total control. Why should other countries trust Germany after all the shit they pulled?
+--- 14932669
+>>14932616
+Poland and Czechoslovakia were in a sense buffer states. The allies wanted to weaken Imperial Germany. The common practice to weaken a nation is to strip pieces of its land.
+These pieces needs to go to someone else.
+The allies didnt want to give these pieces of land to Hungary or the USSR since they were rivals or had been rivals as well.
+They could also not give these pieces of land to themselves (Britain, France, USA) because it would have been a liability.
+Hence its perfectly logical why Poland and Czechoslovakia were formed (nevermind the national identity of the people) as to strip Germany of land but not giving the lands to other rivals.
+.
+
+Makes sense?
+
+So theres no difference of Imperial Germany creating massive buffer states that are subservient to Berlin than for France to create buffer states that are allied to Paris.
+--- 14932675
+>>14932661
+
+No I mean proper war declaration. 
+And not when they failed to pay, but when they outright refused and began re-miliarize the Rhineland. Thats when the western powers should have invaded. It would have been the end of Hitler right then and there.
+--- 14932686
+>>14932662
+>They still had control, it just wasn't total control
+They did not have control.
+>Why should other countries trust Germany after all the shit they pulled?
+Who said they should?
+This is an argument about the incompetency of Weimar and how their minor rich period was solely down to selling out control of their central bank and by extension their economy.
+--- 14932701
+>>14932686
+>They did not have control.
+Source?
+--- 14932716
+>>14932686
+The German–Polish customs war was a political and economic conflict between the Second Polish Republic and the Weimar Republic, which began in June 1925 (shortly after the death of German president Friedrich Ebert from SPD) and ended officially in March 1934.[1] The conflict began when Poland's status expired as one of the Entente's most favoured nations in trade with Germany.[note 1] Berlin then decided to raise customs duty, which primarily affected the Polish coal industry, Poland's main export to Germany. In return, Warsaw also raised duty on German goods.[2] Germany's purpose in the war was to cause a breakdown of Poland's economy and gain political concessions.[1] They included revanchist claims to Polish territories.[3]
+
+So, how could Germany do this if according to you they did not control their economy? That's post Dawes Plan.
+--- 14932719
+>>14932701
+Because the Young Plan in 29 was made expressively to hand back control over economic policy.
+--- 14932738
+>>14932716
+>So, how could Germany do this if according to you they did not control their economy?
+By support of the allies who have never cared about poland and only wanted to repay their own debts to the US.
+--- 14932741
+>>14932738
+But I thought Germany was poor and oppressed by the Allies?
+--- 14932742
+>>14932741
+They were but evidently they cared more about their newly owned economy and repayments than they did the polish coal indistry.
+--- 14932754
+>>14932537
+>If you're defending kikes you probably are one
+Your the only person randomly mentioning kikes for no reason what so ever. Mostly mental illness I'm guessing.
+>>14932537
+>Poland is not relevant to Britain or France hence why they let it succumb to a German
+You claimed that their declaration of war against Germany after the Polish invasion was a legitimate threat. Try not to contradict yourself next time.
+> and Soviet invasion, retard.
+Umm. Germany gave half of Poland to the USSR with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. Then on losing the war the USSR managed to secure the other half. 
+>>14932537
+>Nope. It only becomes a world war when the world joins in.
+Nope WW2 started in 1939 with the invasion of Poland. Learn to read anon.
+>Because he named and slayed the jew poisoning his country.
+And slayed more of his own people and countless millions of other white people.
+And destroyed their countries forever.
+That's why you love him.
+>A country they never cared about.
+Cared so little about that you take their war declaration very seriously. Very contradictory.
+>France declared war dumb faggot.
+Because Germany invaded their ally they had an alliance with since 1920. Germany entered and invaded France. France never entered Germany. You are mentally ill.
+>This was done to secure supplies the allies would have otherwise cut them off from.
+Germany can just invade anyone and they just 
+ need to accept it lol.
+>Mutts did that with their lend-lease program.
+No, that was Germany with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and the ensuring destruction of Europe due to Hitler's actions.
+>This is correct.
+No it isn't. He could never hold onto long-term alliances and even turned his back on Italy. This helped to doom his empire of nothing.
+>You are pushing fanatic propaganda
+He literally killed all slavs he met. Even Russians who wanted to defect to his side during the Russian invasion attempt.
+--- 14932786
+>>14932754
+>He literally killed all slavs he met
+You mean he just bludgeoned any slav that came within a five meter radius with the nearest object or what
+--- 14932870
+>>14932786
+Sucking Hitler penis.
+--- 14932879
+>>14932870
+Vlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not "literally killing all slavs he met" you coping cunt.
+--- 14932887
+>NatSocs
+--- 14932912
+>>14932887
+>finns
+>capable of literacy
+--- 14932935
+>>14932879
+>Vlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not "literally killing all slavs he met" you coping cunt.
+Wow! How does that counteract the 3 million Russian civilians the Germans killed?
+--- 14932939
+>>14932912
+>>finns
+>>capable of literacy
+Are you a shitskin by any chance?
+--- 14932941
+>>14932879
+>Vlasov had 120k fighting for him, that's not "literally killing all slavs he met" you coping cunt.
+"Hitler penis sucking sounds intensify"
+--- 14932949
+>>14932935
+>>14932941
+So he didn't kill literally every slav they came across, thanks
+inb4 more samefagging
+>ugh suck hitler's dick much?
+>oh wow he didn't kill everyone
+--- 14932969
+>>14932949
+>So he didn't kill literally every slav they came across, thanks
+>inb4 more samefagging
+Autist takes everything literally like a idiot and is surprised when other people samefag because he is samefagging.
+--- 14932971
+>>14932949
+"literally drinking Hitler piss at this point"
+--- 14932974
+>>14932969
+>literally
+You're literally running that word into the ground at this point
+--- 14932983
+>>14932974
+>You're literally running that word into the ground at this point
+"Literally handjobbing Hitler whilst talking about the overuse of the word literally."
+--- 14932990
+>>14932983
+Have you got any responses that don't involve gay sex
+--- 14933001
+No. Watch Berlin Symphony of A Great City. It shows how Berlin looked like in 1926-1927.
+--- 14933019
+>>14932990
+>Have you got any responses that don't involve gay sex
+Ask Ernst Röhm anon. He can teach you all about Adolf's favorite things.
+--- 14933021
+>>14932990
+Worshipping Hitler is pretty gay anon. You're the one being weirdly gay.
+--- 14933962
+>>14931961
+>Wartorn 
+You know that the Frontlines never actually made it into Germany proper, right? The only German province which saw major fighting was in East Prussia in 1914, and after that the Germans quickly drove the Russians out of the slim area they had taken.
+Physically, Germany was largely intact and untouched by the war. It was France and Belgium which got torn up.
+--- 14933983
+>>14932669
+Retard
+--- 14934007
+>>14933983
+>Retard
+You are anon. You really are a retard.
+--- 14934149
+>>14933962
+Stop repeating yourself retard
+>You know the Vietnam War was never fought on US soil right? This must mean it had no impact on America
+--- 14934326
+>>14934149
+>>You know the Vietnam War was never fought on US soil right? This must mean it had no impact on America
+Not a single part of America was Bombed by Vietnam anon.
+50,000 Americans died and 2 million North Vietnamese killed.
+The population of America at the time was 200 million and the population of North Korea was around 20 million.
+one out of ten North Vietnamese were killed and one out of 4,000 Americans were killed.
+--- 14934379
+>>14932175
+>Which is why he knowingly invaded multiple UK allies, bombed the UK and submarine attacked British ships. Great.
+No, Hitler didn't wanted war with the UK and the British royal family was for making peace with Hitler, against communists, it's Churchill actually who lauched UK into the WW2.
+--- 14934457
+>>14934379
+>No, Hitler didn't wanted war with the UK
+Didn't want a war but started WW2, knowingly invaded multiple UK allies, bombed the UK and submarine attacked British ships. Great.
+What a defective brain you have anon.
+--- 14934487
+>>14931801 (OP)
+By 1923 the economy was stabilized and enjoyed booming economic growth until that was cut short by the Great Depression. So it had like 6-7 good years, but it was never able to stabilize politically for this reason.
+--- 14934509
+>>14934457
+The USSR represented a greater threat than the Third Reich. To see the Soviets succeed was far worse for Western elites than to see a new German empire being formed. 100% sure they thinked like that.
+--- 14934552
+>>14934487
+Once the economy crashed in October 1929; things really did crash and burn.
+--- 14934570
+>>14934509
+>The USSR represented a greater threat than the Third Reich
+Which is why Nazi Germany handed over much of Europe to the USSR prior to Hitler changing his mind and losing in an invasion attempt on Russia. 
+Germany Destroyed Europe and that made the Expanded USSR a possibility. All thanks to Hitler.
+You're low IQ anon.
+--- 14934577
+>>14932416
+europe's biggest export during the 20th century was jews to israel huh
+--- 14934592
+>>14934570
+>Which is why Nazi Germany handed over much of Europe to the USSR
+Shitholes you mean? The Baltic States and part of Poland.
+--- 14934691
+>14934592
+
+
+Neither Poland nor Estonia are shitholes today anon. They are first-world tier.
+
+And it doesn't change the fact that Hitler made it possible for the USSR to spread destructive communism across the continent.
+
+>14934379
+
+It was rather UK who didn't want war with Germany, hence why they allowed Germany to halt war reparations, remilitarize the western parts of Germany, begin vast rearmament, annex Austria, and annex Sudetenland. If Britain wanted war they would have invaded right from the beginning and the game would have been over before it even began.
+
+Declaring war over Poland was a line Britain drew because Hitler had broken his promises and violated a shared agreement and obviously had no intention on cooperating for peace and stability. Britain made it very clear that it would be war if Germany attacked Poland and Hitler did it anyway. It would have been the same for the US if China attacked Taiwan today.
+--- 14934698
+>>14934577
+>europe's biggest export during the 20th century was jews to israel huh
+And America
+>>14934592
+>Shitholes you mean? The Baltic States and part of Poland.
+Germany is a Baltic country anon. It has a large coastline with the Baltic sea.
+And no, they weren't shitholes prior to German and USSR invasion.
+You don't care about Germany giving the USSR ownership over Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria
+You don't care about white people at all.
+--- 14934699
+>>14932269
+>Moral of the story: Monarchies are required for Europeans to NOT be retarded.
+I totally agree.
+--- 14934701
+>>14934691 Was meant for:
+
+
+>>14934592
+>>14934379
+--- 14934839
+>>14934698
+I try in my first post to explain that the elites of Western Europe do not wish war with Hitler because the USSR was a greater danger for them. The Soviet models to succeed and export to an industrialized country like Germany would have been a total disaster. I gave an example such as the British monarchy who were friends with Hitler to support my point, I then added that Churchill was a fiercely anti-German warmonger
+>In a 1935 essay, titled Hitler and his Choice and republished in Great Contemporaries in 1968, he expressed the hope that despite his rise to power by dictatorial methods, hatred and cruelty, Hitler could still " go down in history as the man who restored the honor and peace of mind of the great Germanic nation, once again serene, useful and strong, and in the forefront of the circle of the European family”.
+>When Hitler shortly afterwards decreed conscription again, HE HOPE THAT FRANCE WILL USE ITS TEMPORARY SUPERIORITY TO ATTACK GERMANY, which it does not do, as Hitler anticipated.
+
+>You don't care about Germany giving the USSR ownership over Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria
+You mean after the defeat of nazi germany? I talk about Hitler's concessions to Stalin and yes I think giving part of Poland to Stalin was a good move because then he was going to counter-attack the USSR.
+
+>You don't care about white people at all.
+I really like Europeans, I am nationalist and catholic, the region where I live is magnificent, there are cathedrals, churches, castles, stone houses absolutely everywhere. Today what I see are apathetic Europeans addicted to weed, hooked on their TalmudVision, roasties who don't want children, millions of niggers who come just to take advantage of the work of my ancestors and I am absolutely disgusted to see that.
+It's good?
+--- 14934858
+>>14932269
+>the communists weren't providing stability
+since when have communists ever been interested in stability? they wanted to destabilize germany and start a civil war to kill off the military
+--- 14934879
+>>14934839
+>>14934379
+
+
+Do you know how we can tell that you are completely uneducated on this topic?
+
+It is now the second time you have attributed the British declaration of war to Churchill. 
+
+It's time to shut up and leave.
+--- 14934892
+>>14934879
+Churchill is an alcoholic, race traitor, kike puppet. He is not my hero, I hate him.
+--- 14934910
+>>14934892
+
+Ok. Now leave. Come back when you have some basic knowledge.
+--- 14934939
+>>14934910
+Can you denounce the Talmud and the Quran?
+BTW, I didn't say that it was Churchill who declared war on Germany, which you seem to have intended from the start, but that he was clearly responsible for Germany's defeat.
+--- 14934974
+>>14934939
+
+Can you just fuck off back to /pol/ already?
+Why would anyone be interested in your alternative interpretations of history when you cant even get the basic facts right? It literally hold no merit.
+
+/pol/acks already have a bad reputation here for being insufferably uneducated. You're not helping.
+--- 14935189
+>>14932489
+You don't even need to know economics to come to the conclusion that
+>Germany basically greenlights war
+>Invades neutral country
+>proceeds to cause massive damage to countries its invaded
+>Lose war
+>Have to repay invaded countries because they obviously have to rebuild
+What did they expect Belgium and France to repair their country with apologies, hopes, and dreams or something?
+--- 14935199
+>>14932074
+>>14932082
+Anyone who uses video game terminology when discussing politics is just as bad as faggots who compare everything to Star Wars and Harry Potter
+--- 14935219
+>>14935199
+I do apologize for my stupid reply, I don't often post on /his/.
+--- 14935440
+>>14931857
+ok nazi
+--- 14935485
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWqnnUeD6cw [Embed]
+
+Infinitely worse.
+--- 14935837
+>>14935485
+And the Nazis didn't make things any better.

his/14931825.txt

@@ -96,3 +96,215 @@ IN GOD WE TRUST, by Benjamin Franklin, 1748.
 --- 14932212
 >>14932183
 just another commie foreigner
+--- 14932299
+>>14931872
+What are the Sumerian King Lists' citation?
+--- 14932312
+>>14932189
+He probably existed but that implies nothing about any divinity, or even that he was anything other than an itinerant faith healer.
+--- 14932395
+>>14932299
+Sumerian king lists do not claim that an invisible entity with a jewish rapebaby that will burn you in magic lava for masturbating.
+--- 14932412
+>>14932395
+Nigger, half their names are that. Also hell isn't a fiery pit God sends you to, faggot
+--- 14932447
+>>14932412
+>uuuh, no chud, hell isn't literally magic lava, it's le separation from god, chuddy
+I'm sure every illiterate peasant also had the same conception of hell. Of course.
+--- 14932536
+>>14932447
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYf6ITgWbk [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1fVAjyXCqw [Embed]
+Imagine being completely alone and harboring that attitude for eternity
+--- 14932542
+God is a Daemon of creation. It means spirit and every being is one.
+--- 14932560
+>>14932536
+>youtube videos
+--- 14932625
+>>14932560
+>4chan "rhetoric"
+At least Michael Jones is more intellectually honest and rigorous than you'll ever be
+--- 14932639
+>>14932542
+>God is a Daemon of creation
+Everything about that is wrong and incompatible with itself philosophically; not only does it not explain the origin of reality, but Daemon is not the same shit as Demon
+--- 14933091
+>>14932118
+--- 14933095
+>>14932196
+>US national Motto of US website 2channel and US national Motto of US website 4channel.
+>IN GOD WE TRUST, by Benjamin Franklin, 1748.
+Theists' and Atheists' goal is to overthrow "Government Of Democracy" GOD
+--- 14933105
+>>14931825 (OP)
+Introspection
+Plotinus
+St Paul
+--- 14933155
+>>14933091
+Theists say "Government Of Dictatorship" GOD exists and
+Atheists say "Government Of Democracy" GOD does not,
+so GOD exists but Theists and Atheists hate Democracy.
+--- 14933158
+>>14931825 (OP)
+pretty much. I challenge anyone in this thread to refute this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox
+--- 14933178
+Are there any good resources to learn about the beginnings and spread of christianity?
+--- 14933189
+>>14933178
+Christianity does not exist.
+--- 14933191
+>>14933091
+More to the point, theistic religion requires sincere faith. "Believing" to hedge one's bets is not going to work.
+--- 14933193
+>>14933158
+the wiki article you mention literally includes several refutations
+--- 14933197
+>children of Satan being obvious
+--- 14933205
+>>14933197
+Beelzebub
+--- 14933206
+>>14932118
+>Pascal's Bet
+Gambling is for fools
+--- 14933208
+>>14933191
+Nope, gnostic religion is about the experience of transcendence
+--- 14933209
+>>14933206
+hard eight
+--- 14933228
+>>14931825 (OP)
+21
+--- 14933959
+>>14933193
+those refutations suck
+--- 14933999
+>>14933959
+debunk them
+--- 14934023
+>human rights exist
+--- 14934049
+>>14933155
+Take your meds.
+--- 14934296
+>>14931825 (OP)
+>Wikipedia 
+Their mod such colossal faggot
+--- 14934299
+>>14933999
+>"omnipotence doesn't mean breaking the laws of logic"
+yes it does. you're making shit up because you can't accept that your god is not omnipotent
+>"paradoxes are meaningless, the question is sophistry"
+I think this is saying that the rock god can't lift up question is meaningless because it is paradoxical, as if you can't ask that question or something. Can I ask if god can prove that 1+1=3? That challenge isn't paradoxical, it's just impossible, unless you really think god can prove it, but I don't.
+--- 14934301
+>>14934023
+Human rights are a social construct, same as god.
+--- 14934421
+>>14934299
+>"omnipotence doesn't mean breaking the laws of logic"
+>ackchually yes it does
+good argument
+
+>"paradoxes are meaningless, the question is sophistry"
+>didn't understand it properly, tries to make sense of it doesn't even debunk that
+very good indeed
+
+also the article mentions specific authors and texts, which is where the actual refutations lie. If you're out to debunk them because "those reutations suck" then that's where you should be looking, not the fucking wiki page
+--- 14934446
+>>14934421
+how about you come up with a counterargument to what I just wrote instead of saying "lol good argument"
+--- 14934504
+>>14934446
+my counterargument would consist in reiterating the refutations cited on the wiki page, since you didn't even come close to taking the discussion one step further. you didn't identify their theoretical approach, or their methodological and metaphysical presuppositions, etc. nothing except for "you're making stuff up". 
+those refutations still stand as far as this conversation is concerned
+
+does all this seem silly? fuck yes, but you're the one who decided to say that arguments made by professional philosophers suck
+--- 14934522
+>>14934504
+the omnipotence paradox was also made by a professional philosopher, just one who isn't retarded.
+--- 14934556
+>>14934522
+And other philosophers took it seriously and read into it, which is what they should do because that's how thought develops. 
+Although, notice how they didn't go "hurr durr the paradoks argument sucks hahaha what a retard unga bunga"?
+--- 14934562
+>>14934446
+Prolly cuz you're full of shit. Hahaha
+--- 14934569
+>>14934049
+Remember kids; Don't do drugs.
+--- 14934601
+>>14934562
+>>14934556
+tl;dr god is omnipotent despite not being able to prove 1+1=3. he can do anything even though he CAN'T actually do ANYTHING, because doing anything would require him breaking the laws of physics, causality, and logic. but he's super omnipotent because you guys said so and called me stupid. that's why.
+
+tell me what god has done that couldn't be explained by aliens pretending to be god (ex: the whole bible). go ahead.
+--- 14934657
+>>14934601
+>since I got BTFO'd now do theology in a 4chan post
+typical oonga boonga reaction kek
+
+God created the world from nothing. Aliens can't do that since they're part of creation in the case that they actually exist
+
+also you still didn't pay proper attention to the refutations, which shows in the fact that you repeated your so called debunking even though it's shit
+--- 14934662
+>>14934657
+God is an extraterrestrial.
+--- 14934667
+>>14934657
+I never realized how unbelievably delusional believers are. The logic is irrefutable but you somehow manage to refute it. There's your paradox. Go suffer; I know you believers are so grateful for it since GOD LOOOOVES YOU (by making you suffer). You know some people rape infants to death? Your god doesn't exist, fucking retard.
+--- 14934672
+>>14934667
+Hail Satan
+--- 14934678
+>>14934662
+not exactly
+
+>>14934667
+you sound mad. why? i don't have your meds
+--- 14934773
+>>14934678
+You sound wrong, which is pathetic because you could just not talk and at least not be wrong.
+--- 14934886
+>>14934773
+I'm not wrong, regardless of how I might sound to you. The Holy Ghost is with me. I can see that you're still mad; that's fine though. I know that one day you and I will reunite in His holy city, for even the oonga boongas will feel His warm embrace.
+
+For now, I leave you with St. Paul:
+2 Corinthians 4:4 "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." 
+
+Romans 12:14-16 "Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited." 
+
+Romans 12:21 "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
+--- 14934909
+>citation provided
+
+https://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe
+
+/thread
+--- 14935042
+>>14934909
+Gay
+--- 14935046
+>>14934909
+You forgot your trip, bodhi.
+--- 14935081
+in pantheism, god is identical to reality, and reality exists, so god exists.
+--- 14935607
+>>14935046
+no I didnt, I dont always use it, depends on the board and topic and if I may want to find it again in the archives at a future date
+--- 14935714
+Get fucked atheist
+--- 14936766
+>>14932625
+>michael jones
+self own.
+--- 14936775
+>>14931825 (OP)
+>hurr durr prove that 2+2=4. It could equal 5 you heckin bigot!
+Go back, atheist
+--- 14936782
+>>14936775
+>religion is mathematics

his/14931868.txt

@@ -28,3 +28,307 @@ I don't think you know what larping meaning anon.
 >>14932267
 Reverting from Christianity into a reconstructed version of paganism IS neo-pagaism
 Julian was also a LARPagan despite there being actual pagans in his time.
+--- 14932351
+>>14931868 (OP)
+Harran medieval pagans were of the mesopotamian flavor, as their main diety was a ancient sumerian moon (male, so opposite of the hellenistic moon deity) god.
+Regarding proper hellenism, the Mani people in Peloponnese were reported as pagans by the Byzantines up to the times of Basil I, that finally converted them. Keep in mind tho that their rural paganism was likely extremelly different from the greco-roman Urban cults we know better.
+--- 14932357
+>>14932272
+Yea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.
+But as he was a LARPer, he kept following the pratices of what he tought was the "correct" old paganism
+--- 14932400
+>>14932272
+>Reverting from Christianity into a reconstructed version of paganism IS neo-pagaism
+No, Neo-paganism is any non-historically accurate modernist revival in the last 70 years.
+See, you don't even know what neopaganism means.
+>Julian was also a LARPagan despite there being actual pagans in his time.
+He clearly wasn't. But you are almost certainly a Christ-tard.
+>>14932357
+>Yea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.
+Wow, you are historically illiterate. Literally pulling shit out of your ass. Pagans were performing human and animal sacrifices as late as 1380 AD in Northern Europe.
+The orthodox church in Armenia still sacrifice animals to this very day.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matagh
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
+>But as he was a LARPer, he kept following the pratices of what he tought was the "correct" old paganism
+You're a historically illiterate moron anon.
+--- 14932436
+>>14932400
+>No, Neo-paganism is any non-historically accurate modernist revival in the last 70 years.
+See, you don't even know what neopaganism means.
+Ok, let's define it using a source that isn't just a faggot on 4chan. 
+>Neo-Paganism, any of several spiritual movements that attempt to revive the ancient polytheistic religions of Europe and the Middle East. 
+Encyclopedia Britannica, 2023. Multiple authors.
+I can do 3rd rate confidence tricks too so stick your faux authority tone up your ass.
+>He clearly wasn't.
+Given that his contemporaries thought he was taking it too far and out of bounds, yeah he was. 
+>Wow, you are historically illiterate. Literally pulling shit out of your ass. Pagans were performing human and animal sacrifices as late as 1380 AD in Northern Europe.
+Northern Europe, core province of the roman empire and the heartland of greco-roman paganism.
+>You're a historically illiterate moron anon.
+You are just a normal moron, anon.
+--- 14932454
+>>14932436
+And Julian does still count as a neopagan given that he was 
+1: Trying to restore his faith to an earlier time and thus trying to revive a version of Roman paganism that didn't exist anymore
+2: Trying to revive paganism from its spiritually dead hole.
+Plus he did the "It wuz metaphor dood" thing which is not very authentically pagan.
+Christians are doing this now, which indicates the spiritual decay of their faith. And soon, its death outside of Africa and in some isolated pockets of rural Latin America.
+--- 14932495
+>>14932436
+>Encyclopedia Britannica, 2023. Multiple authors.
+>I can do 3rd rate confidence tricks too so stick your faux authority tone up your ass.
+"The modern popularisation of the terms pagan and neopagan as they are currently understood is largely traced to Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, co-founder of the 1st Neo-Pagan Church of All Worlds who, beginning in 1967"
+https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=neopaganism&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3
+>>14932436
+>Given that his contemporaries thought he was taking it too far and out of bounds, yeah he was.
+Or you simply made that up. Either his contemporaries who said that were Christian or were transitioning from Paganism to Christianity if that is true.
+>>14932436
+>Northern Europe, core province of the roman empire and the heartland of greco-roman paganism.
+Exactly so you are wrong. And the Orthodox church in southern Europe itself was still performing animal sacrifices at the time.
+Nothing you are saying is making any sense.
+>>14932436
+>You are just a normal moron, anon.
+Nope, just you anon.
+>>14932454
+>Trying to restore his faith to an earlier time and thus trying to revive a version of Roman paganism that didn't exist anymore
+Which isn't what neopagan means.
+>>14932454
+>Trying to revive paganism from its spiritually dead hole.
+Isn't what neopagan means or is.
+>>14932454
+>Plus he did the "It wuz metaphor dood" thing which is not very authentically pagan.
+? don't know what your autistic meme filled brain is trying to say here.
+>>14932454
+>Christians are doing this now, which indicates the spiritual decay of their faith. And soon, its death outside of Africa and in some isolated pockets of rural Latin America.
+Hahaaaa. Probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
+--- 14932554
+>>14932436
+>>14932454
+Why are Christians always so stupid and historically illiterate even when it comes to their own religion?
+Bizarre really.
+--- 14932565
+>>14932357
+>Yea he made some of the actuall pagans angry for his tradLARP autism over blood sacrifices (one day he slaughtered like 100 cows) something many actuall 4th Century pagans considered no longer acceptable thanks to morality shifts.
+Source?
+--- 14932677
+>>14931880
+I'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots
+--- 14932691
+>>14932677
+>I'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots
+Neopaganism IS literally meaning making up bullshit and then claiming legitimacy by calling it pagan. Thus the neo- prefix you fucking retard.
+"Britannica Dictionary definition of NEO- : a new and different form of something that existed in the past"
+Holy shit are Christ-tards insanely stupid. 
+Stupid beyond words in fact.
+Dribbling, incoherent. No knowledge of history, no literacy, no understanding of anything what so ever. Just astoundingly stupid all the time.
+--- 14932693
+>>14932554
+Why are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?
+Sneed really.
+Chuck even.
+--- 14932706
+>>14932691
+Recreation is making something new.
+If there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair.
+--- 14932726
+>>14932706
+Just because what you are reconstructing is old doesn't negate the fact your organization was founded in 1978.
+--- 14932801
+>>14932693
+>Why are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?
+Why do Christ-tards talk about anuses and blacks all the time?
+>>14932693
+>Sneed really.
+>Chuck even.
+You're quoting weird forever online memes anon.
+>>14932706
+>Recreation is making something new.
+If something is completely new it isn't recreating anything you fucking moron. You don't know what recreation even means, holy fuck.
+>>14932706
+>If there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair.
+Well NEOpagans don't do that.
+They make a boat and call it a chair because they are both made out of wood.
+>>14932726
+>Just because what you are reconstructing is old doesn't negate the fact your organization was founded in 1978.
+That isn't the point. Neopagans ARE creating 
+ completely new made up bullshit and calling it "Pagan". They aren't reconstructing anything.
+>>14932677
+>I'd love to see an honest neopagan. As in, crafting a new pagan religion instead of being revivalist faggots
+They aren't reviving anything you fucking retard. Holy shit. And that is why they are bad.
+They are equivalent to Mormon leader Joseph Smith creating a completely new religion and claiming it is authentic Christianity. When he simply wanted more than one wife.
+--- 14932837
+>>14932706
+>Recreation is making something new.
+>If there's a chair and I make another chair in the form of the old one I still make a new chair.
+The neo- prefix specifically doesn't mean making something new with the form of the old. It means creating something that differs from the old but is similar in some way. Holy shit Christ-tards.
+Why are you all so stupid. So extremely stupid and idiotic?
+--- 14932861
+>>14932693
+>Why are Niggers always so tongue and my anus even when it comes to their own Nigger?
+Well the pope has kissed the feet of multiple refugees so it isn't a stretch to imagine other Christians kissing more strange parts of random black people.
+--- 14932866
+>>14932064
+>I've read that the Byzantines permitted a small group of Greek polytheists to practice their faith as a sort of "house nigger"
+I don't think you even read anything outside of random quotes and memes on 4chan mentally ill Christ-tard anon.
+--- 14933173
+>>14932801
+>They aren't reconstructing anything.
+They LITERALLY use the same mythologies of old. Where are the new creation myths that seek to explain the order of the cosmos like in old? Where are the mythic heroes and gods? Not a single neopagan worships a new pantheon, they just pick some old one and act like a cringe faggot trying to reject all things Christian and yet retain far more than they like.
+
+
+When you have the great god Zilkon, Lord of IT and he who gave man the knowledge of computers, get back to me
+--- 14933835
+>>14932866
+I found it, it was the Maniots, they were kept on as a sort of intellectual curiosity by the Byzantines until Basil II converted them, sorta like how the original Romans kept the Spartans around as a sort of human zoo.
+--- 14933993
+>>14933173
+>They LITERALLY use the same mythologies of old
+They literally don't. 
+> Where are the new creation myths that seek to explain the order of the cosmos like in old? Where are the mythic heroes and gods? Not a single neopagan worships a new pantheon.
+That's why it is called neopaganism mentally ill anon. They recycle the names of different gods and make them gay and feminist. Mix up Celtic, slavic and Germanic gods with each other. Incorporate Egyptian and Hebrew Mysticism from the 19th Century. Invent New Runes that never existed. Invent ceremonies that never existed. Incorporate Modern anti-racism etc.
+> They just pick some old one and act like a cringe faggot trying to reject all things Christian and yet retain far more than they like.
+No, they are the pagan equivalent of Later day saint Christians that make up their own bibles and claim they are Christian.
+>When you have the great god Zilkon, Lord of IT and he who gave man the knowledge of computers, get back to me.
+How do you even remember to breath?
+>>14933835
+>I found it, it was the Maniots, they were kept on as a sort of intellectual curiosity by the Byzantines until Basil II converted them
+The Maniots were a ethnic group you fucking retard. And they obviously weren't a curiosity to the Byzantines because they were converted.
+>Romans kept the Spartans around as a sort of human zoo.
+The Spartans were around long after that incident and were still fighting with the Athenians.
+Christians are always so stupid all the time.
+--- 14934163
+>>14932041
+get yourself a working space bar, dude
+--- 14934229
+>>14933835
+While there were pagans and the ones you call Maniots well until the 10th century they were all converted by the time of Nikon the Confessor.
+
+Also an interesting thing to note is that Greek pagans existed until 600 a.d. where from then on, you won’t find anything about the Greek religion.
+--- 14934423
+>>14934163
+>get yourself a working space bar, dude
+Learn to say something of value rather than having autistic meltdowns over formatting.
+--- 14934429
+>>14932041
+>Zeus’ strongest warrior vs God’s weakest keyboard
+--- 14934589
+>>14934429
+--- 14934632
+>>14934589
+>>14934429
+Christ-tards continuing to say absolutely nothing of any value.
+--- 14935168
+>>14932041
+Came here to say this dude. He's the last Hellenic polytheist with an unbroken lineage going back to antiquity that we know by name. However, Ottomeme chroniclers mention converting a few holdouts along the Black Sea to Islam a few decades later, but it's not certain if they mean actual polytheists or are just dabbing on Christfags.
+
+>>14934229
+We know that's not the case. There's huge amounts of devotional artwork that was made up until the Ottomans conquered Constantinople, the Church was constantly executing people for being crypto-Hellenists, and there were near constant Hellenist cults cropping up.
+--- 14935283
+>>14935168
+>We know that's not the case. There's huge amounts of devotional artwork that was made up until the Ottomans conquered Constantinople, the Church was constantly executing people for being crypto-Hellenists, and there were near constant Hellenist cults cropping up.
+Interesting, any readings for that?
+--- 14935306
+Harran were moon worshippers, not hellenic
+--- 14935345
+>>14931868 (OP)
+Have you been to the french royal palace?
+--- 14935378
+>>14935168
+almost certainly dabbing on christfags, Christians = polytheists is a very old trope in Islamic thought
+--- 14935408
+>>14935378
+I'm inclined to agree because these areas had already been conquered by the Ottomans. Why wait until after you conquer the meme-city to force the Zeus worshipers to convert?
+
+>>14935283
+Literally all of Byzantine history. "Crypto-pagan Platonists got found in the court of Archbasilekionisticostiocon Georgios Yabadabadoopolis" is a running theme throughout its the 1,100~ years of history. Pick a period and start digging. The biggest name is, again Gemistus Pletho, because he's the one that had the most contact with the West. He got brought along as a scholar when the Pope was trying to mend the Schism, but that didn't work out and he ended up just giving his library to the Medicis. This is how we (Westerners) regained Plato.
+
+This has massive impact on the Renaissance, but that's neither here nor there.
+--- 14935499
+>>14935168
+>He's the last Hellenic polytheist with an unbroken lineage going back to antiquity that we know by name.
+bruh he's literally a Christian apostate who started reading Homer and larping
+--- 14935657
+>>14935499
+>larping
+>larp
+--- 14935675
+>>14931868 (OP)
+>Harran
+not Hellenistic
+--- 14935683
+>>14932677
+>2023
+>Not worshiping the universal serpent battling storm god >Zeus/Thor/Indra/Set/Susanoo/Ba’al
+--- 14935861
+>>14931868 (OP)
+>The benandanti ("Good Walkers") were members of an agrarian visionary tradition in the Friuli district of Northeastern Italy during the 16th and 17th centuries. The benandanti claimed to travel out of their bodies while asleep to struggle against malevolent witches (malandanti) in order to ensure good crops for the season to come. Between 1575 and 1675, in the midst of the Early Modern witch trials, a number of benandanti were accused of being heretics or witches under the Roman Inquisition
+
+>According to Early Modern records, benandanti were believed to have been born with a caul on their head, which gave them the ability to take part in nocturnal visionary traditions that occurred on specific Thursdays during the year. During these visions, it was believed that their spirits rode upon various animals into the sky and off to places in the countryside. Here they would take part in various games and other activities with other benandanti, and battle malevolent witches who threatened both their crops and their communities using sticks of sorghum. When not taking part in these visionary journeys, benandanti were also believed to have magical powers that could be used for healing
+--- 14935900
+>>14935657
+nobody wants to type out "roleplaying"
+--- 14935920
+>>14935499
+Why bother having an opinion if you're not going to do the bare minimum effort to even look up the topic? Georgios Scholarius, who was a student of Pletho's, says that Pletho was a member of an ancient lineage tracing back to antiquity. He knew because he was invited to join, and instead cucked out to the Ottoman Sultan. 
+
+Scholarius is the entire reason we know 99% of the stuff we know about this guy. If it weren't for Scholarius, the only things that we'd know about Pletho are that he got shuffled around by Byzantine bureaucrats who hated him for some reason, and that he showed up in Italy talking about Zeus and gave the Medicis some books. We only know about Pletho's Nomoi (his treatise on how to reform the Byzantine Empire and withstand the Ottoman invasions) because Scholarius broke into Pletho's house, stole the book, and then burnt Pletho's house down.
+--- 14935936
+>>14935920
+im orthodox, i do not care what some gay italian larper has to say
+--- 14935942
+>>14935936
+No, you are not "orthodox", but Gennadius Scholarius (my referring to him as "Georgios" was a typo) was. In fact he was the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, and the first of such to be given this title by the Ottoman Caliph.
+--- 14935946
+>>14931868 (OP)
+The spirit of Hellenic paganism never left Europe
+--- 14935994
+>>14932041
+if you copy-paste from wikipedia, at least go through your post and insert the spaces where the line breaks used to be.
+--- 14935996
+>>14931868 (OP)
+>Harran
+nope, not hellenistic
+
+The last remaints of hellenistic paganism that can trace it roots to the belief systems of ancient greece were some rural communities of shepherds in remote parts of greece during the 8th and early part of the 9th century
+--- 14936005
+>>14932677
+>As in, crafting a new pagan religion
+it is naturally emerging, many peopel around me who calls themselves "irreligious" started forming belief systems around crystals, astrology, compilation of different philosophical texts from different traditions and meditation. A "New Age" religionemerging in future is really possible
+turns out religion will always exist, and they are realising it. Who could have thought, i guess the classical reading of history was correct and Marxist analysis of history lost again.
+--- 14936008
+SOMEONE GIVE A DAMN YEAR OR CENTURY
+the fuck, you people are as shitty as actual (((historians)))
+--- 14936031
+>>14936008
+i gave a century, retard
+>>14935996
+--- 14936042
+>>14932351
+I'm pretty sure those are the one I've heard of before. Thank you.
+--- 14936050
+>>14932677
+There are plenty of Neo-pagans that openly admit that their religion isn't the same as ancient paganism and is fundamentally a new religion. John Michael Greer comes to mind and maybe even Crowley.
+--- 14936078
+>>14935345
+>Burgers worship the Statue of Liberty
+--- 14936079
+>>14935996
+It was certainly inspired by Hellenistic religion, they listed Hermes Trismegistus as their prophet which is a Hellenistic/Egyptian figure. There have been books written on this subject that I'd like to read but they're all prohibitively expensive.
+--- 14936140
+>>14932677
+Wicca.
+
+>>14936008
+Pletho died somewhere in between 1452 and 1454, his remains were stolen from Greece and interred in Italy by his students in 1466. Presumably his students then either went back to Greece or merged into the Neoplatonic Renaissance milieu. So, 1466AD is the last year that we can say for certain that there were people who were initiated into Classical religious cults running around Europe, and the last time that one who is named was walking the Earth was, at most, 1451 (assuming that he could have died on 01/01/1452). 
+
+Interestingly, the operation to move his remains to Italy was funded by Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta, who is the only individual to have been "canonized to hell" by the Pope (the Pope wanted to steal Sigismondo's land).
+--- 14936178
+>>14936140
+>>14932041
+I see nothing to suggest that he had a connection to classical paganism, he sounds like he was a very early Neo-pagan.
+--- 14936209
+>>14936178
+Other than the sources on his life, no, there's nothing, but I'm not sure where you can get information on him other than the sources on him, like his already mentioned ex-student.
+--- 14936784
+>>14935920
+>Georgios Scholarius, who was a student of Pletho's, says that Pletho was a member of an ancient lineage tracing back to antiquity. He knew because he was invited to join, and instead cucked out to the Ottoman Sultan. 
+You wouldn’t have that source available right? While this sounds amazing, Plethon’s theology sounds nothing like Ancient Greek theology where. For example the fact that for Plethon Hades and Poseidon were his younger brother(if I recall correctly)

his/14932059.txt

@@ -146,3 +146,348 @@ and tell me, what was the context of the passage i shared? they were literally t
 --- 14932271
 >>14932260
 Why does God even have a nature? Who created the concept of having an inherent nature that limits your actions?
+--- 14932284
+>>14932266
+They were talking as creatures using hyperbole, but I don't need to convince you that my reading is more plausible, you need to prove mine is impossible
+
+>>14932271
+Nature is the term we chose to use in philosophy. It's usually interchangeable with essence.
+It was necessary to choose some kind of language based on how god revealed himself to us. How can Christ be the god-man? What does it mean for god to be "holy", set apart from us? The concept of essence/nature nails down this issue
+God in scripture revealed that he cannot do something explicitly, he cannot lie. Reason tells us he cannot perform the absurd.
+--- 14932297
+>>14932284
+>I don't need to convince you that my reading is more plausible
+>you need to prove mine is impossible
+whoa. i was using a terrible style of argument earlier, but you just redeemed me with this one, i no longer feel like an idiot. 
+
+>>14932202
+true.
+
+>>14932203
+>A flaw and exploitation of linguistics that is meaningless.
+we ARE talking about the bibble, y'know... 
+but you're right.
+--- 14932307
+>>14932260
+>God cannot do anything
+Every existence has a capability ,and sense its GOD's it exceeds. thus god does what he wants .
+and everything happened/happening/will happen is what he wants .
+--- 14932488
+>>14932059 (OP)
+The idea of a rock that is too heavy for God to lift is as self-contradictory as the idea of a round square.
+--- 14932492
+>>14932488
+So god is limited by logic?
+--- 14932493
+>>14932284
+>Nature is the term we chose to use in philosophy.
+You haven't read any actual philosophy in your entire life, you slack-jawed yokel.
+--- 14932563
+>>14932492
+It is not a question of God's power being limited by something. It is rather that there is and could be no such thing as the capacity to actualize round squares in the first place, because the very idea is self-contradictory.
+
+Even if we assume that God can indeed cause self-contradictory events or things, the paradox of the rock would not refute the omnipotence claim. For if God can cause self-contradictory things or events, then he can not only make a stone that is too heavy for him to lift, but he can also go on to lift a stone that is too heavy for him to lift.
+--- 14932599
+>>14932563
+so god is illogical
+--- 14932614
+>>14932059 (OP)
+He would then need to limit him self. Which would mean he is not a God anymore. But that does not remove his abillity to unlimit him self.
+This question is actually > Can God make him self Ungodly.
+--- 14932620
+>>14932599
+It could be yes. But logic exists only in mind of humans. So God not being limited by logic just goes in favor of atory that he is allpowerfull
+--- 14932623
+>>14932599
+What do you exactly mean by logical ?
+--- 14932628
+>>14932563
+It would be illogical for me to fly under my own power because that's not in the essence of the kind of being that I am. However, disregarding such self-contradictions, I'm actually omnipotent because I'm capable of doing everything I'm capable of doing.
+--- 14932634
+>>14932620
+Edit: You need to understand that this idea of God and Gods are created in such a framework that you cant aproach it with reasson and logic. Thats why its called religion and nit science. It is a belife which is not limited by anything. Every contra argument which is limited will be destroyed by another argument which is not limited because of such idea. Iow. You cant destroy fairy tail for it works on ideas that are outside our limitations
+--- 14932636
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Of course, he just has to choose to stop being omnipotent first. 
+
+>>14932081
+>>14932132
+>>14932186
+This is a copout, responding to a "what if" question with "it'll never happen so ha ha". There is no reason for God to necessarily be subject to the rules of logic that he himself created. At most it only seems that way when viewed through the lens of mortal, subjective consciousness.
+--- 14932647
+>>14932636
+>There is no reason for God to necessarily be subject to the rules of logic that he himself created.
+Christians like to claim that logic, morality and other such things are actually a part of god's essence though.
+--- 14932654
+>>14932647
+I have never heard in five years of philosophy study that anyone claimed logic is part of God. Only morality.
+--- 14932657
+>>14932623
+logically, a rock that cannot be lifted cannot be lifted.
+--- 14932660
+>>14932599
+What makes you reach that conclusion? Explain..
+--- 14932664
+>>14932647
+Yeah and Pastafarians claim that God's essence goes well with garlic bread. Who cares what some other faggots think? I'm just here to answer the question.
+--- 14932670
+>>14932664
+But dont you see it is futile to understand something that is not based on logic and reasson?
+You just simlly cant. You are hiting a nail with a head into the wall
+--- 14932674
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Yes if he wants himself to stop being omnipotent
+--- 14932679
+>>14932670
+Duh, nobody but God can fully understand God. Need me to explain the difference between crayons and tater tots too?
+--- 14932684
+>>14932628
+What?
+--- 14932687
+>>14932679
+Explain me why you spend time doing such a thing then.
+--- 14932704
+>>14932687
+Because I don't, holy fuck where are you getting this?
+--- 14932721
+>>14932684
+God is omnipotent despite the fact that he can't lie because lying would be contradictory with his essence and omnipotence doesn't necessitate actualizing contradictions.
+Things like flying under my own power, generating laser beams with my eyes, morphing into animals or creating planets from nothing are contradictory with my essence, therefore the fact that I can't do them doesn't infringe on my omnipotence.
+--- 14932731
+>>14932704
+From my asumptiom that you are the guy arguing others over it.
+In which case i owe you an apology mr pooh
+--- 14932736
+>>14932657
+So it is a cumulative sorting of truths that will break if one contradicts by forcing conditioned combinations .
+however within the logic , which one gets defined first ? god or the rock ?
+putting a rock that can not be lifted + god into one sentence forces logic to come up with a solution or it will admits it impotence .
+takes us to your question than needs to be breaked .
+>god is defined to be able to do everything 
+>Can God create X ?
+yes
+>a rock is created
+>condition created for the rock to be lifted by god. 
+>god exceeds everything .the rock that got defined now by that condition exceeded god in this attribute. 
+two solutions 
+should we redefine god ? 
+no, the definition is accurate .
+or the rock ?
+of course the rock because a rock that cannot be lifted is not a rock it never happened thus it got no name , it is something else , and in this case it is an exploitation of your imagination. your rock doesn't exist ,logically what you called rock is something else entirely .
+--- 14932744
+>>14932736
+So...god cannot create a rock that cannot be lifted?
+--- 14932745
+>>14932731
+What's your point? That because I'm talking about my own understanding of God then my understanding of God must be correct and all-encompassing? In that case, as your God I command you to make me a ham sandwich. Use sourdough bread and don't forget the mayonnaise.
+--- 14932749
+He can both create a rock that He can't lift and lift a rock that He can't lift. This is no more contradictory than Christ being fully man and fully God. 
+
+Christ, being fully God, can create a rock that He, being fully human and thus limited by human constraints, cannot lift. And He can then, being fully God and thus omnipotent, lift that rock. 
+
+How He is able to do this is beyond our understanding. It impossible for us to understand our Creator fully. How he does these things and reconciles these paradoxes is outside the temporal realm and we can only chalk it up to divine mystery.
+--- 14932753
+>>14932744
+It is not a rock if it can't be lifted.
+--- 14932756
+>>14932059 (OP)
+If God is the perfect manifestation of all that is good, then God can't do evil.
+--- 14932762
+>>14932745
+No i did not asume that.
+Also sure, you have to come for it tho. I am limited by space and time. Give me a slack.
+--- 14932768
+>>14932762
+So are you pretending to be retarded for giggles or what?
+--- 14932785
+>>14932768
+Aren't we all?
+--- 14932787
+>>14932768
+For what.
+--- 14932800
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Meaningless semantics. Infinitely heavy rocks don't exist, and god cannot be a natural phenomenon, so he wouldn't even be able to lift an infinitely light rock
+--- 14932834
+>>14932753
+god isn't omnipotent, since god cannot create a rock that can't be lifted.
+--- 14932842
+>>14932059 (OP)
+God is not bound by logic. He could create an objectively unliftable rock and then lift it. All of reality comes from God, it is all subsidiary. He is not constrained by anything.
+--- 14932867
+>>14932834
+>a rock that can't be lifted.
+It's not a rock anon ,one of the rocks attributes is mobility. whatever that may be it's no rock and in this case it a creation of your imagination and if you can't lift even in that irrigated ,segregated from reality and randomized realm above your shoulders i don't think you can conceptualize what I'm trying to say. 
+further more sense every rock is movable god is omnipotent.
+--- 14932934
+>>14932867
+can god create an object equivalent to a rock except it can't be lifted?
+--- 14932944
+>>14932059 (OP)
+test
+--- 14932952
+>>14932944
+Yours is low.
+--- 14932984
+>>14932934
+can god create an object ?
+yes , any object sense he can create anything. 
+equal to a rock in all attributes except mobility? 
+sense mobility can only occur within the time and space parameter that object does not exist , yet knowing god's capacity , and if something as such had a reason to be created it would be out of these parameters , make us unable to conceptualize it , or even call it "lifting" knowing that motion would be unmeasurable . 
+but yes god can , simply because god is not bound to these parameters due to the fact that god created time and space .
+--- 14932997
+>>14932984
+Even the dimensions of that object would seem unmeasurable by 3d creatures like us. 
+by my language uptake , we cant even call it object by that point . it can be created sure but it won't be material .
+--- 14933007
+mental that people cant answer this simple question
+--- 14933020
+>>14932997
+Its not an object for sure , thus lifting/motion doesn't apply to it , renders all the claim wrong really , the full sentence breaks .
+--- 14933110
+>>14933099
+I had NDE, but i am agnostic. I understand and respect others interpretations of experiance but i do not wish to claim any of my own. Ill see what i have to see when i die
+--- 14933112
+>>14933110
+Edit:
+Thank you for sharing info tho, love you friend
+--- 14933131
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Yes and no, it's Schrödinger's rock. If God decides he can't lift the rock then he can't lift it, but as soon as he decides he can lift it then he can lift it.
+--- 14933139
+>>14932059 (OP)
+>make this stuff, if you make it you are not omnipotent but if you don't make it you also are not omnipotent
+It's a logical trap, you're are a fool if you think you can trick God.
+He created language, logic and the human mind, it's like trying to hand a fake $100 bill to someone who can print money
+--- 14933199
+If an omnipotent being should be - according to you - above the concept of logic itself, then why are you trying to use logic to disprove said being?
+--- 14933282
+>>14933007
+No.
+The object is matter , making it lose mobility obtrudes it from matter, because it loses its material property , losing mobility makes it impossible to even think of "lifting" it sense every matter/particle have to be mobile.
+the concept of lifting/mobilizing something out of the parameter of time and space becomes zero there is no such thing.
+makes the full sentence fall down to be meaningless.
+to sum it up its just.
+>GOD CAN'T create muh X .(X can also defined with a condition but i took it helically).
+while when you break down the X you just find it an actual zero making it correct .
+X is always a zero in that sentence. whatever you may put there it will just end up being a pseudo-incapacitation attempt that can be dunked most probably to two possible routs :
+a linguistic approach or basic physics .
+--- 14933293
+>>14932063
+Fuck off, Dirk.
+--- 14933524
+>>14932984
+Can god lift an object that can't be lifted?
+--- 14933534
+>>14932059 (OP)
+The rules of logic are part of gods creation and thus subordinate to him, not the other way around. Atheists will cope and seethe about this.
+--- 14933538
+>>14933534
+Does god conform to logic or is god illogical?
+--- 14933613
+>>14933538
+By the standards of logic as we know it, god can do things that seem illogocal to us, as he is beyond those rules. Everything that exists is a creation of God, including the rules of logic, meaning god doesn't abide by them, as he, as their creator is simply above them, as hard as this is for a human to understand. The same thing applies to time and space btw which is how god is infinite and has always existed.
+
+God is the source of all existence itself.
+--- 14933632
+>>14932059 (OP)
+He created your Mom, OP, so yeah.
+--- 14933634
+>>14932081
+>God cannot lie
+God lying is a necessary component of Christian theology though. All those revelations to Moses that turned out to be false, like the Mosiatic covenant being able to save your soul, or that it would endure forever. You would know this if you ever actually read the bible.
+--- 14933661
+>>14932059 (OP)
+--- 14933705
+>>14932081
+>God cannot cause himself to cease to exist
+Significantly, the sophist paradoxes atheists try to level at Christians as gotchas, thinking that Zeno has anything to say to the real world, never include this one, because the very utterance of it debunks their entire premise with its stupidity. 
+There is no qualitative difference between asking 
+>"Can God create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?" 
+and 
+>"If God's so powerful, why can't He make Himself not exist? Checkmate Christcucks"
+it's purely a matter of presentation: the former tricks the otherwise rational human being into accepting a nonsensical absurdity because it's masked as a classical philosophical quandary (take for instance the "tree falling in the forest" koan that convinces people to abandon reason and turn into argumentative morons) and is thus practical for those who wish to weaken the faith of other people, whereas the other puts its bald-faced irrational idiocy on full display, and can only be laughed at for the meaningless gibberish that it is.
+--- 14933743
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Yes but it would still lift it and not lift it, remaining omnipotent
+--- 14933763
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Weight means nothing to God so it's a silly question. He could just manipulate gravity to make any object virtually weightless provided he wanted to take a physical form, anyways.
+--- 14933812
+>>14932059 (OP)
+The question is faulty at first. It's like asking can a rock swim to jupiter
+--- 14933829
+>>14932059 (OP)
+Anybody attempting to answer this question sincerely has already fallen into a logic trap that negates rational thought.
+If God, the prime mover, the uncaused cause, the creator of all things, has created something (anything, a rock, an atom, a neutron star, it doesn't matter), the creation/creature is necessarily inferior to and subordinate to the Creator. It is ontologically impossible and nonsensical for God to create something He cannot subdue to His will; if He were to do so, then that creation would be greater than God Himself, indeed, be a God, but it is again a causative impossibility for a created entity to be God, since God must be uncreated. To put it another way, the question is better phrased as "Can God create Himself?" which is of course a ridiculous premise, you may as well start quoting Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky at that point, for all the sense you'll make.
+These gay little circular paradoxes are always trying to put the cart before the horse and expressly distract the reader from the real issue.
+--- 14933838
+>>14932059 (OP)
+>Can God do things that God can't do? 
+No. This is just the brainlet filter for Christians. Do not fall for such easy bait bros.
+--- 14933854
+>>14932081
+>Things that violate his nature and paradoxes are impossible
+What is it that prevents god from being able to change his own nature or the laws of logic? What binds hims him to these conditions?
+--- 14933908
+>>14933854
+>God can't stop being God, therefore he's not all-powerful
+atheoid logic
+--- 14934039
+>God can create a rock he can't lift
+>then lift it
+--- 14934073
+God both simultaneously lifts and does not lift the rock at the same time, as two different aspects of God both fail and succeed in lifting the rock.
+
+God is a fucking INFINITE being bound by NO PHYSICAL BODY who, assuming we're going off of the Biblical definition here, created physics himself from OUTSIDE OF PHYSICS. There is no reason to apply any kind of limitation on what God can or can't do, as he is capable of absolutely everything and absolutely nothing at once. He's beyond the confines of the universe, beyond the confines of physics, beyond the confines of any possible limitation you attempt to put on him. To constrain an infinite being in any way is an absurdity, and this includes constraining him to binary yes or no answers.
+--- 14934277
+>>14932162
+>Omnipotence is when you commit logical fallacies.
+--- 14934292
+>>14934277
+this line of reasoning makes sense from an observer's standpoint when you consider that the very concepts of rational thought and knowledge are a product of God, and the rejection of God compasses the embrace of insanity and illogic
+--- 14934321
+>>14932063
+>>14932081
+>>14932146
+>assuming God is limited to the laws of physics rather than His conceptual absolute freedom modifying the laws of physics as He accomplish something (God makes a rock he can't move and lifts it, simultaneously) 
+protties be like : "God isn't actually a god desu"
+--- 14934331
+>>14934073
+>god is made up of parts
+>god cannot lift the rock without separating itself into parts (limited potency)
+--- 14934340
+>>14934331
+Who said anything about parts? God's made up of God, not parts.
+--- 14934845
+>>14932170
+>We get to define omnipotence when it comes to discussion of our God
+No you don't. 
+That's like saying
+>I get to define genocide when it comes to discussion of my political ideology 
+which is clearly ridiculous
+--- 14935121
+>>14932081
+>God cannot lie
+He admits doing so in the Bible.
+
+>God cannot cause himself to cease to exist
+Yes since he never existed to begin with.
+
+>God cannot create a square circle
+I can.
+
+Christian theology BTFO once again.
+--- 14935160
+>>14935121
+>I can
+Post pic
+--- 14935167
+let me tell you what your religion believes
+--- 14935419
+>>14935160
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_norm
+--- 14935706
+>>14933908
+>god can do anything except all the things he can't do
+What's stopping him from doing them? This is the problem with any definition of omnipotence besides the "anything goes" version. Every single one inevitable ends up contraindicating a single ultimate authority of the universe.

his/14932142.txt

@@ -43,3 +43,110 @@ As for their religion. We know they worshiped the god Huitzilopotchli (he was es
 --- 14932253
 >>14932209
 Human sacrifice is hardly any different to burning heretics at the sake en masse in public.
+--- 14932283
+>>14932223
+He didn't even mention smallpox
+--- 14932286
+>>14932224
+>and they probably performed human sacrifices in his name
+>probably
+…
+--- 14932289
+>>14932286
+Probably in his name, of course they did sacrifices
+--- 14932306
+>>14932286
+I meant in their "proto-Aztec" phase when they were just hunter-gathers screwing around in the desert and later migrating south. Obviously they performed a shit ton of sacrifices in Huitzilopochtli's name after establishing themselves in the area, building Tenochtitlan, and forging their hegemony over the region.
+--- 14932318
+>>14932306
+They sacrificed to him from the beginning.
+--- 14932330
+>>14932318
+We don't actually know all that much about the pre-migration Mexica, or Aztecs in general. So we can't say for certain. Too shrouded in myth and the political needs of later generations. But it is more likely than not. Thus, "probably."
+--- 14932374
+>>14932330
+It's fact. I'm telling you, not speculating.
+--- 14932529
+I'll try to reply in more depth tomorrow, but just real quick
+
+>Why didn't concepts such as human rights or even basic mercy seem to develop in pre-Colombian Mexico
+
+Native sources lament how Conquistadors would butcher whole towns and rape women, and decry them doing that instead of merely capturing towns and cities and sacrificing enemy warriors but largely leaving women, children, etc alone; and how the Spanish would mistreat their slaves whereas Aztec slaves had actual rights, including processes for how to become free. 
+
+You can rules and norms around what's considered humane or merciful while still doing other things involving violence or killing that's seen as just within that system. Look at how in Europe or Japan you had moral codes but then also massive razes, sacks, inquistiopns, holy wars, or shit like samurai headhunting.
+--- 14932909
+There's no scientific way of proving these skulls were sacrificial victims. You would need to find the remaining skeleton and do forensic research. You cant look at some skulls and deduct they were sacrificed. 
+
+The tzompantlis were probably secondary burial sites (ie cemetaries).
+--- 14932923
+>>14932142 (OP)
+In my superficial readings, they were structurally identical to their neighbors. There was no single culture shock that made them psychos, it was just scale and need constantly increasing until they were killing thousands.
+--- 14932938
+>>14932909
+
+More examples of european tzompantlis (aka skull racks)
+--- 14932942
+>>14932938
+--- 14932945
+>>14932209
+Based.
+
+>>14932253
+That's very incorrect. Obviously any religious person would see a massive difference, but even atheists can appreciate how they aren't the same at all. They have different motivations, goals, and methods. The only thing they share in common is that they were somehow related to religion and someone died horribly. I honestly can't think of anything else.
+--- 14932947
+>>14932942
+--- 14932959
+>>14932945
+>That's very incorrect. Obviously any religious person would see a massive difference, but even atheists can appreciate how they aren't the same at all. They have different motivations, goals, and methods. The only thing they share in common is that they were somehow related to religion and someone died horribly. I honestly can't think of anything else.
+
+
+True but its also true christians see mesoamerican sacrifice in their own way as a "demonic" thing when mesoamericans themselves believed it was an honorable thing to be sacrificed. 
+
+You can actually see how this perception changed by looking at the sacrifice depiction in codexes. Sacrifice in prehispanic codexes isnt depicted as bloody - gory thing, it was only painted that way when the mesoamericans got christianized
+--- 14932963
+>>14932945
+It´s a public execution. You can dress it up any way you like and justify it for whatever reason. One is watching people scream in agony and horror as their skin and flesh burns and melts off their bones before their eyes. The other is watching people scream in agony and horror as their hearts are torn out and thrown down a pyramid. I´m guessing you unironically think the former is more justified because your gay Jew book told you so no?
+--- 14932978
+>>14932963
+>It´s a public execution
+
+I think thats a good appreciation. In the end it was state terror justified by religion. States have always been brutal killing machines.
+
+However, I believe that mesoamerican state terrorism is particulary brought into current times due to brutal neoliberal proxy war that is being waged in Mexico right now, where we have seen paramilitaristic groups perform gruesome acts of counter insurgency executions to terrorize whole communities and dominante society
+
+Propagandizing mesoamerican state terror is benefitial to the benefitiaries of this war, as it induces some kind of genetic determinism, as if mexicans are brutal by genetic predisposition, and not because there an actual extermisionist war being waged on us
+
+Yes, its not a coincidence the whole humans sacrifice thing has been magnified and ideologized ever since the "war on drugs" was started
+--- 14933000
+>>14932963
+No part of the Mesoamerican practice of human sacrifice can be construed as execution. Punishment and justice had nothing to do with it even when the victims were criminals and prisoners of war. They had a goal which required people to be killed, so they killed people. It doesn't go farther than that.
+The Christian European practice of burning people at the stake was done solely for penal purposes, in accordance with the punishments prescribed for infractions against the comprehensive law that everyone was subject to. There was no perceived religious benefit to these executions, and they had as much to do with secular law enforcement as any religious concern.
+It is disingenuous to equate these two things, they aren't the same.
+--- 14933101
+>>14933000
+It's the exact same if you're being punished for fictitious crimes like heresy or blasphemy
+--- 14933152
+>>14932938
+>>14932942
+>>14932947
+god I wish we kept doing those. Why did we stop?
+--- 14933424
+>>14932909
+>There's no scientific way of proving these skulls were sacrificial victims
+yes you can
+--- 14934610
+>>14933000
+>There was no perceived religious benefit to these executions
+Source: my opinion.
+--- 14935840
+>>14932909
+https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-jan-23-adfg-sacrifice23-story.html
+--- 14936608
+>>14933101
+But the sacrificed people weren't being punished, that's my point.
+
+>>14934610
+That's an objective fact. At best, you can say that the communities conducting the executions believed that they were giving the executed person the opportunity to repent and suffer for their sins in life so that they wouldn't be cast into Hell after they die. But that has no benefit to anyone but the criminal, and the execution would obviously still be conducted if they refused to repent. There isn't any theological transaction or product which is sought after by the executioners, at its base was the simple enforcement of law. Law is exactly what Mesoamerican sacrifice had nothing to do with.
+--- 14936759
+>>14932945
+yeah, like both weren't motivated by some variant of "gawd will punish us if we don't kill these people in horrible ways, so better them than us".

his/14932193.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,326 @@
 -----
 --- 14932193
 Why do the English refuse to embrace their great king, Guillaume le Conquérant?
+--- 14932278
+>>14932193 (OP)
+Pretty sure Charles still uses William as part of his line of royal inheritance or right to be King. Even though Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William, there still is ancestral connection.
+--- 14932828
+>>14932278
+>Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William
+matrilinear it does.
+--- 14932906
+>>14932278
+>Even though Windsor direct line doesn't lead to William
+You underestimate just how badly European royal families intermarried and became inbred over the last thousand years.
+--- 14932940
+>>14932193 (OP)
+he's literally regarded as the first king of England by everyone here
+--- 14932993
+>>14932940
+>Who was Alfred the Great.jpg
+--- 14933003
+>>14932993
+no one is regarding alfred as the first king of england
+--- 14933042
+>>14933003
+retard
+--- 14933068
+Is there any practical reason to not dutchify basically all french noble names? They are all franks anyway
+>Williem de veroveraar
+--- 14933074
+>>14933068
+>Willem de Bastaard
+FTFY
+--- 14933079
+>>14933074
+Es ist vorbei
+--- 14933088
+>>14933079
+*Het is voorbij
+--- 14933098
+>>14933079
+Wat zou een Duitser daarvan weten?
+--- 14933115
+>>14933042
+show me a single source that recognises him as the first King of England.
+
+>inb4 never replies because he realised how dumb he was
+--- 14933121
+>>14933068
+>franks were... LE DUTCH
+when will this stupid meme end
+--- 14933129
+>>14933121
+Honestly it’s essentially the modern descendant of what salians were speaking….
+--- 14933135
+>>14933129
+just as basically every other dialect that is spoken in german-speaking countries.
+--- 14933147
+>>14933121
+>be frank
+>be born in the low countries.
+>kickstart the Dutch west rhine company
+>colonize Galli
+>establish personal law making officers of the VWC have different legal rights and obligations as the peasantry (apartheid state)
+>Speak Old dutch (frankish is literally not a real lenguage. Attestations of batavii and other Salian groups are simply a old dialect of dutch)
+>Be like: My name is Radagan son of Geoffrey and Cletilde
+
+But uh... THEY ARE NOT DUTCH BECAUSE... UH...
+--- 14933163
+>>14933147
+...because dutch identity doesnt existed until the 14th century. before that, people in the lowlands were simply another kind of germans like saxons or swabians.
+besides, the center of frankish origin and ethnogenesis isnt exclusively in todays netherlands, its across the rhine, whos majority lies in todays germany.
+--- 14933165
+>>14933135
+Are you not aware of the low and high division between continental germanic languages? Or are you under the impression that the late dark age Frankish state included what is modern germany and therefor they are linguistic descendants?
+--- 14933175
+>>14933163
+Not really; Franks in origin were barely an ethnicity they were a polity composed of people that lived very specifically in a small part of what are today the Low Countries. You’re just wrong bro…
+--- 14933179
+>>14933163
+No it doesnt. The Ethnogenesis of the franks was in Flanders and The netherlands. You are also probably mixxing Salian franks with Franks in general. The german franks are of the other type. Salian ones were 100% Dvtch.
+Also how can Dutch identity be an invention when the low countries were a individual series of Duchies and counties for most of their history? Even by the time of Willem it was noted that he, as a proud dutchman, just married a Netherlandish noblewoman and half of his army was indeed flemish
+--- 14933207
+>>14933165
+>Frankish state included what is modern germany and therefor they are linguistic descendants?
+thats exactly what i was saying.
+
+>>14933175
+all the proto-frankish tribes hailed from east of the rhine, were settled in the approximately area of todays lowlands by the romans as foederati, and went on to settle the area around the rhine, particularly around cologne and triers. one could argue that the concluding ethnogenesis only happened after Chlodio conquered the Ripuarians around cologne, since thats the first time all the franks were united under a single ruler, and at this time, the center of frankish settlement moved significantly southwards.
+claiming them as dutch because they settled this area (among others) is just cherry picking.
+--- 14933218
+>>14933179
+yeah you seem to be an expert on this topic since you dont even know the name of "the other type" of franks.
+
+>Also how can Dutch identity be an invention when the low countries were a individual series of Duchies and counties for most of their history?
+just as any other german tribe at that time. you are stating absolutely nothing of substance with your post.
+--- 14933240
+>>14933115
+Even shitipedia acknowledges him as such, you retard
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_monarchs
+>inb4 HURRRRRRRR, BUT ACKTCHUALILY, THE TITLE WAS CALLED "KING OF THE ANGLO-SAXONS" AND...
+Mere semantics, no change of essence. Fuck off.
+--- 14933243
+>>14933207
+Ah Saxons came from east of the Rhine too; guess English is the language of the Franks. Don’t be obtuse. The tribes that made up the core of the Franks are identifiable as a people distinct pretty early in the history of “muh germanic europe” from those Langobard, Suebian, Aleman languages. You know you got that whole classification thing and maybe it is cherry picking but if there are established distinctions that exist in more than one theory why does it bug you so much that Dutch is generally (and correctly I might add) seen as a sort of Frankish successor language. It seems as if this matters to you more than it should.
+--- 14933260
+>>14933218
+I know perfectly their name. Is not like i dont have google anon. I'm just guessing its you the one who is messing them so i assume you dont know their names yourself.
+Regardless. Not only salian franks were attested to speak specifically old dutch, already linguistically distinct from old low let alone high german, that formed arround the Elbe river, their ethnogenesis is also noted to have happened in the low countries. And their origin is in the low countries before starting moving and conquering lands, including the VWC (gallia)
+--- 14933266
+>>14933207
+Germanic languages on the continent are not as neatly divided into groups since they existed in such close proximity, often spoken by subjects of the same rulers as one another and we can’t say with certainly that one language descends from this earlier one, high German dialects are audibly and visibly different from low German ones, but you’re right certainly that high German language would have elements that are given to them by the language spoken by the franks who were the prestige group in that part of Europe, and their language to begin with at that time of their prestige was definitely mutually intelligible with those spoken in higher Germany. With such complexity in these minute divisions it’s better to make it simple and say Dutch = Frankish instead of spending an hour arguing semantics and arriving at largely the same fucking conclusion. You feel me?
+--- 14933269
+>>14933240
+>Mere semantics, no change of essence
+and thats where you are wrong, kiddo. why do you think people make semantic differences? because they want to describe different things. thats why one is called King of England, because he actually was the ruler of a region called England, and one is called King of the Anglo-Saxons, because he claimed to be the king over a people called the Anglo-Saxons. 
+read a few things about their lives and you will understand the difference.
+--- 14933313
+>>14933243
+>Ah Saxons came from east of the Rhine too; guess English is the language of the Franks.
+saxons werent proto-franks so i dont see your point.
+
+>Dutch is generally (and correctly I might add) seen as a sort of Frankish successor language.
+never denied this. i dispute the claim that "frankish people = dutch people" because its historically unsustainable.
+
+>their origin is in the low countries before starting moving and conquering lands
+it isnt. there were tribal groups known as franks as early as 260, yet they were moved to Germania Inferior/Toxandria in 288/292
+
+>in these minute divisions it’s better to make it simple and say Dutch = Frankish instead of spending an hour arguing semantics and arriving at largely the same fucking conclusion. You feel me?
+no, why not just say frankish = frankish? why do you need to equate it with something modern? its perfectly fine and comprehensible to just mention one evolved from the other, but isnt the same.
+--- 14933325
+>french (galli) pp when larping as norman and frankish
+I sleep
+>french pp when franks are called dutch
+REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
+--- 14933523
+>Et tels i a qui aferment et dient qu'il vindrent premerainement d'une isle qui Scanzia est apelee, dont li Got issirent, quar en cele isle a une terre qui iest encore France apelee. Et si mostrent cil qui ce dient tel raison encore que celle terre est auques voisine au regne qui fu au roi Latin qui fu pere a la royne Laivine que Eneas ot a feme. Et Eneas noma les Latins fransois por ce qu'il pres li estoient et ensaíe
+--- 14933562
+>>14933523
+This nigga is posting british israelism tier fanfics kek
+--- 14933573
+>>14933562
+It probably seemed like a smart move in his head to quote mythological figures
+--- 14933591
+>>14933562
+>>14933573
+>quoting mediaeval manuscripts in French doesn't count
+hahahahahahahahaha btfo nigger
+--- 14933620
+E des Normans vos iert retrait
+E lor conqueste e lor fait,
+Coment destruirent Germanie,
+Couloigne e France la guarnie,
+Angou, Poitou, Borgoigne tote;
+De ce ne rest il nule doute
+Que Flandres, Waucres n'envaïscent
+E mout de maus ne lor feïssent
+--- 14933641
+Frankish was Proto-West Germanic and evolved into Old Dutch and Old High German simultaneously(the latter including other tribes as well, all were PWG before the High German consonant shift). The majority of ethnic Franks live in Germany, but southern Holland is Frankish as well. The "Frankish dialects" are not an actual linguistic group, extending beyond the clade borders, but an ethnographic.
+--- 14933642
+>>14933591
+Yes anon and brutus was real lmao
+--- 14933659
+>>14933591
+>quoting medieval texts talking the son of the god of the forest counts
+Good archeological record frfr, finna got that poseidon saxons
+--- 14933662
+>>14933642
+>no answer
+>copes and seethes instead
+hahahaha many such cases
+--- 14933667
+>>14933641
+High german has nothing to do with frankish. High german is descended from proto-elbe river germanic. While frankish is from the Weser-Rhine germanic branches
+--- 14933673
+>>14933667
+No, these are not real linguistic classifications, they're accents of PWG at best. Like a third of Germany speaks Fränkisch, which is descended from "Old Frankish", which is not an actual language.
+--- 14933676
+>>14933662
+>Latinus (Latin: Latinus; Ancient Greek: Λατῖνος, Latînos, or Λατεῖνος, Lateînos) was a figure in both Greek and Roman mythology
+>mythology
+Real pypo fr fr
+--- 14933689
+>In later Roman mythology (notably Virgil's Aeneid), Latinus, or Lavinius, was a king of the Latins. He is sometimes described as the son of Faunus and Marica, and father of Lavinia with his wife, Amata. 
+>In ancient Roman religion and myth, Faunus [ˈfau̯nʊs] was the rustic god of the forest, plains and fields; when he made cattle fertile he was called Inuus. He came to be equated in literature with the Greek god Pan, after which Romans depicted him as a horned god.
+
+Frnch pypo be like: this guy with horns that makes plants grow is absolutely real
+
+im not coping at all
+--- 14933699
+>>14932993
+Alfred was king of the West Saxons and king of the Angles (two separate titles), not king of the English.
+>Edward's son Æthelstan became the first king to rule the whole of England when he conquered Northumbria in 927, and he is regarded by some modern historians as the first true king of England.[3][4] The title "King of the English" or Rex Anglorum in Latin, was first used to describe Æthelstan in one of his charters in 928.
+--- 14933703
+>>14933673
+Dumb nigger high german is the literal opposite side of the spectrum from frankish. Which is by necessity low germanic.
+--- 14933708
+>>14933699
+>>14933689
+He probably really thought posting a mythological fanfic was a great comeback. Dont be so harsh on him bros
+--- 14933709
+>>14933703
+These categories did not exist at the time; all continental West Germanic speakers were fully mutually intelligible. Most of the eastern Franks would undergo the High German consonant shift later, making them become part of OHG, wheras the ones in the Netherlands did not and became "Old Dutch" instead.
+--- 14933718
+>>14933709
+High german is the most divergent west germanic branch from frankish. You are making shit
+--- 14933724
+>>14933709
+Old high german is a shifted dialect of saxon. It has nothing to do with old dutch
+--- 14933725
+>>14933718
+There is no "Frankish". Many dialects in Germany are named Fränkisch, which is not a linguistic family, but simply named after the Franks inhabiting the areas. Fränkisch dialects extend from Upper German, Central German to "Dutch".
+>>14933724
+These languages did not exist and were completely mutually intelligible prior to the High German consonant shift, which did not break intelligiblity anyway.
+--- 14933741
+>>14933725
+Stop making shit up hans. Saxon and old dutch were not the same language
+--- 14933766
+>>14933741
+They were very slightly distinct, although I doubt even their speakers cared for this at the time, but the High German consonant shift only began in the 8th century before which none of these languages were meaningfully distinguishable. There was simply a Common West Germanic, or PWG, which the Frankish of most historic Franks was identical to. This is how the Franks could seamlessly evolve into different WG clades.
+--- 14934079
+At this point, i'm amazed that no one points the fact that the Frankish coalition was made of celtic tribes like the Usipetes or the Sicambres.
+--- 14934096
+They cope a lot even considering modern english is 50% french
+--- 14934114
+>>14934079
+because they werent celts you stupid larper
+--- 14934203
+>>14934079
+The franks that conquered france were descended from merovech tribe. Who arrived like a century or two after the group of franks that settled belgica. You are mixing groups.
+Not to mention they were attested to be germanics lol
+--- 14934218
+>>14934203
+For some reason people keeps mostaking clovis/chlodio/merovech franks, who are later arrivals, with the other franks that arrived earlier.
+--- 14934220
+>>14934096
+it's not cope, it's confusion
+how can english be 50% french when so-called "french" language has a smaller vocabulary and is only 15% french itself?
+
+you do les mathématiques, as they say :)
+--- 14934249
+>>14934220
+>"French is not french"
+supercopium
+--- 14934363
+>>14934249
+>no answer
+hahahahahahaha
+--- 14934391
+>>14933736
+Modern French people actually Celts who speak an Italic language who were ruled over by Germanic royal dynasties for hundreds of years.
+--- 14934413
+>>14934220
+>is only 15% french itself
+The French language is 86.53% Latin.
+https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/21737/proportion-of-greek-and-latin-influences
+--- 14934471
+>>14932993
+He was king of Wessex. The first king of a united England was Egbert.
+--- 14934606
+>>14934391
+>Italic language
+actually gaulish and latin shared lot of similarities. They belong to the Italo-Celtic group.
+For exemple latin rex and celtic rix means 'king', like in the Frankish Sicambre royal names : Baetorix and Deudorix.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Celtic
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicambri
+--- 14934900
+>>14932906
+No I don't, I actually read things that show the genealogy so I don't come here like OP with zero clue that William I is still relevant
+--- 14934908
+>>14934684
+Germans are Scythians according to Romans and Greeks, so what's your point?
+--- 14934942
+>>14932193 (OP)
+he wasnt a great king, he got lucky, a break in bad weather allowed him to cross late in the campaigning season and with the english army mostly disbanded and in the north having crushed viking invasion, the saxons forced marched summoning the levies as it ent and met the normans at hasting in a significantly understrength and fatigued state, they still managed to hold the normans off all day and but for a feigned retreat finally persuading them to break ranks and persue they would have been victors despite the disadvantages they had going into the fight.
+
+getting lucky does not a great king make
+--- 14934962
+>>14932193 (OP)
+No one in England cares much. He's just some bloke from history
+--- 14935075
+>>14934942
+>he wasn't a great king
+Who the fuck says this? Do they teach this in University?
+--- 14935097
+>>14934413
+>The French language is 86.53% Latin
+So it's a maximum of 13.47% French then? That's even worse lmao
+--- 14935103
+>>14932993
+Never king of England. But that whole institution was wiped out and replaced by William. None of the saxon kings matter.
+--- 14935211
+>>14933115
+Horrible Histories' jingle about the English monarchs starts with William the Conqueror, there's your source.
+--- 14935337
+>As longh as the fuhrer still decides. >>14935236 (Me) Frey = typo Freya
+ He will still decide. You as a greater land. Also in unity, unlike specifically Europe in a number of ways.
+
+>The United States to accept the war appointed to them as a more united powress. From the fuhrer.
+
+>From Freya if it must. By its algorithm.
+
+>Greater god dam lands, will make greater god dam wars
+Also, everything is not ok!
+
+.The United States in their current or other state
+They would anyway in any other mad war. Like a * of negers even
+>May someone continue to make true white decisions even. Just like the United states and Southern Americha in Spain and whole Southern-Europa had become to associated with us
+
+>"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T582oCa5IIs" [Embed]
+And we will an end to our whoring
+
+>Gebe your evil to (me)
+
+Yahy
+But I am telling you just of how it is
+
+Valhalla to be upon us right here and of now ! ):
+--- 14935344
+Yes and now that we are to brutality, we will <<Freya>> not distinct from Germany
+--- 14936864
+>>14935211
+next time, read the chain of posts properly before embarassing yourself, retard
+--- 14936876
+>>14933121
+you will have to convince linguists on this matter

his/14932262.txt

@@ -1,3 +1,492 @@
 -----
 --- 14932262
 How was the German army so unstoppable in WW2? It just doesn't make sense, they had inferior equipment and numbers compared to the Allies, yet they steamrolled over every enemy they faced. The Poles, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Russians, etc. What made them such a formidable fighting force?
+--- 14932287
+Superior athleticism, a common idea to fight for and quality tacticians/strategists in their high command.
+--- 14932293
+>>14932287
+No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad
+--- 14932294
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>they had inferior equipment
+Simply wrong right there, their greatest tool and weapon was the LMG whether it was the MG34 or MG42. These guns and their place in Germans squads made them competitive to enemy infantry even in the late stages of the war.
+--- 14932309
+>>14932262 (OP)
+As a rather poor analogy, think of an army that seeks to restore the pre 9/11 world.
+--- 14932451
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>What made them such a formidable fighting force?
+relentlessly preparing for a new war that they would initiate for the better part of a decade. Although by most metrics the USSR was trying just as hard to prepare for a huge future war and also got steamrolled, I’ll give you that.
+--- 14932808
+>>14932262 (OP)
+
+Short answer: Tactical superiority and an unprepared enemy.
+--- 14932881
+>>14932451
+> the USSR was trying just as hard to prepare for a huge future war and also got steamrolled
+bad doctrine that still prevails to this day
+I contend the Wehrmacht was just lucky with the blitzkrieg into France, and unlucky with the march on Moscow
+--- 14932890
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>. The Poles, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks, the Russians
+
+Beside the Russians, who actually buttraped them, only France is impressive in that list
+--- 14932903
+>>14932294
+That reliance on LMGs was a weakness, not a strength though, because your putting most of the firepower of the squad into a single element which can be easily surprised.
+
+>>14932333
+0/10 bad bait.
+
+>>14932881
+Did they also get unlucky when they went to war with America and Britain while still trying to fight the Russians at the same time? Germany army may have been capable tactically, but they failed miserably at the strategic level
+--- 14932907
+>>14932903
+>>surprised
+*suppressed
+--- 14932913
+>>14932903
+American equipment was really bad.
+No American aircraft had cannon.
+America did not have competitive battleships. Wikipedia had a edit war to hide Yamato sinking itself.
+America never produced a heavy tank.
+--- 14932924
+>>14932913
+>>American equipment was really bad.
+False.
+>>No American aircraft had cannon.
+If true, they didn't need them, since the US was more than capable of destroying the German and Japanese airforces.
+
+>>America did not have competitive battleships.
+Irrelevant. The battleship's day was almost done by the 1940s, hence why the US had lots of aircraft carriers.
+
+>>Wikipedia had a edit war to hide Yamato sinking itself.
+Yamato sinking itself is an idiotic conspiracy theory.
+
+>>America never produced a heavy tank.
+So what? Heavy tanks aren't really all that useful anyway.
+--- 14932933
+>>14932924
+Carriers are useless. POW was rivet construction. The kirishima obliterated Americans until they engaged it.
+Invasion of Okinawa would be impossible if Yamato didn't sink itself to help jews.
+--- 14932961
+>>14932924
+Even if you deny the conspiracy, the Yamato didn't have fuel to run, if it did then it would have obliterated the landing force.
+--- 14932967
+>nearly always held numerical superiority
+>local commanders were allowed to go as they pleased as long as it fulfilled the objective
+>pervitin
+>genetic dispisition for destroying Europe and slaughtering white Europeans
+>german females are really ugly so german men were anxious to go abroad and meet actually human looking girls
+--- 14932973
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Meth LOL
+--- 14933026
+>>14932262 (OP)
+
+>large European power with thriving industry, a large, unified militaristic population and a modern, well trained army
+
+>tiny Eastern European nations that just emerged 20 years ago with ww1 tactics and weapons, inflexible command, small demotivated military and population ect taking on germany one at a time
+
+It’s really not that hard to comprehend anon
+--- 14933144
+>>14933026
+The Poles had a ~500,000 man military and Germany was at war with 2 great powers on different front. France wouldn't be able to take out fucking Luxembourg if it was at war with Germany and Britain
+--- 14933172
+>>14932961
+So what? All that tells me is that the US was better at strategic warfare then Imperial Japan was. Yamato went down due to insufficient fuel and being a gigantic target for torpedo bombers.
+--- 14933180
+>>14932933
+>>carriers were/are useless
+Stupid opinion.
+>>Some stuff about the Kirishima
+Wow one example, how compelling.(not really)
+>>blah blah idiotic conspiracy theories about Jews or whatever
+Get back to /pol/ you retard.
+--- 14933184
+>>14932262 (OP)
+
+What is this hairstyle called?
+--- 14933187
+>>14933144
+That supposed 500k was after mobilization. And the mobilization went as bad as it could.
+>Germany about to invade
+>Poland mobilizes
+>Britain and France tell Poland to demobilize, they do
+>Next day Germany invades
+>Chaos
+Them being attacked from 3 sides (later 4 when Germany's supposed mortal enemy Stalin joined in) and being outnumbered 3 to 1 didn't help. Oh yes you never hear it but Germany held numerical superiority against all of their opponents. Even the Soviets in 1941 up until the end of the year. Then the numbers equalized and Germany instantly started losing.
+--- 14933188
+>>14933180
+Don't bother. The guy is a known schizo.
+--- 14933571
+>>14933026
+>>tiny Eastern European nations that just emerged 20 years ago with ww1 tactics and weapons,
+I hope you didn't include Poland in that, calling it a small "tiny" nation, while it was the 11th most populous country in the world as of 1939.
+>>14933144
+>The Poles had a ~500,000
+ONLY because Poland's army was 50% mobilized, as fully mobilized it was supposed to reach 1 million.
+>>14933187
+>And the mobilization went as bad as it could.
+>>Britain and France tell Poland to demobilize, they do
+>>Next day Germany invades
+Exactly.
+--- 14933593
+>>14932294
+Germans demanded more advanced firearms because they were being outshot by Soviets.
+Pro-tip. Germans are just very socially cohesive Slavs. While they are not genetically “Slav” in the way a Pole is, their genetic cluster developed similarly to Slavs and they are 1/3 Slav.
+They have the creativity of the slav which is why they build tanks too big to roll or guns too big to fire with any meaningful effect.
+--- 14933598
+>>14932890
+Doesn’t this list leave out the Brits who went running back to their island with their tails between their leads?
+--- 14933601
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Germans actually outnumbered both Poles and Soviets in the early phases of the war, when they achieved the most. Once the Red Army fully mobilized, it was only slow retreat for the Germans.
+--- 14933604
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>The Poles
+That was Hitlers cunning, not so much the German army.
+>the French
+Good German doctrine, horrible French doctrine.
+>the Russians
+Stopped the unstopable.
+--- 14933617
+>>14933184
+Helmet hair
+--- 14933655
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Unironically Kampfgruppe the ability to make ad box formations out of whatever the fuck units you had lying around contributed to 90% of germans winning their battles just look at general models work at arnhem and rzhev
+--- 14933666
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>What made them such a formidable fighting force?
+they were the last nation of their kind with a society shaped by consummate professionalism
+you can't even say stuff like that without people calling you a nazi, but for all their faults, the germans simply "wanted it" more than anyone 
+that momentum will only carry you so far though and after a few years of war the krauts were spent
+--- 14933813
+>>14932262 (OP)
+They stomped Slavs, who are basically brown-tier. France didn’t feel like fighting them because they thought the nazis had some good ideas.
+--- 14933839
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>unstoppable
+>gets stopped
+--- 14933974
+>>14933593
+>Pro-tip. Germans are just very socially cohesive Slavs. While they are not genetically “Slav” in the way a Pole is, their genetic cluster developed similarly to Slavs and they are 1/3 Slav.
+--- 14934032
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>The German army was unsto…
+--- 14934033
+>>14933813
+>They stomped Slavs, who are basically brown-tier.
+More Poles have Blonde hair than Germans so you might want to revise your white hating weirdness anon.
+>>14933666
+>they were the last nation of their kind with a society shaped by consummate professionalism
+Not even remotely close to being true.
+>you can't even say stuff like that without people calling you a nazi.
+Well you obviously are a larping Nazi anon. You sound like a moron Praising Stalin or Mao.
+>but for all their faults, the Germans simply "wanted it" more than anyone.
+No, they started a war in a good position when everybody else was still recovering from ww1 and didn't want a second world war.
+>>14933604
+>>the Russians
+>Stopped the unstopable.
+The Russians didn't care about casualties and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder.
+>>14933604
+>>The Poles
+>That was Hitlers cunning, not so much the German army.
+It was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war.
+--- 14934093
+>>14934033
+> The Russians didn't care about casualties and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder. 
+> It was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war.
+Wehraboo, pls.
+--- 14934101
+>>14932262 (OP)
+meth. it was an actual white trash army.
+--- 14934341
+>>14934093
+>Wehraboo, pls.
+How in the absolute fuck does that make me a Wehraboo?
+I'm not praising the USSR or Hitler you freak.
+>>14934101
+>meth. it was an actual white trash army.
+Meth doesn't make you a better fighter anon.
+--- 14934380
+>>14934033
+>and had way more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder
+No, they did not. Thats a meme, they just mobilized more men which in turn meant that they had smaller industrial base.
+>It was Hitler not listening to his commanders that lost Germany the war.
+Only 14 year old amerimutts still believe in this bullshit.
+--- 14934389
+>>14932262 (OP)
+That's a rough hairline for a 20 year old
+--- 14934390
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Better training and they either did defeat in detail or had numerical superiority like in Barbarossa
+--- 14934403
+>>14932262 (OP)
+A professional officer corps, innovative new tactics like Blitzkrieg and schwerpunkt that the pre-war Allies refused to adopt, and methamphetamines
+--- 14934411
+>>14933598
+The English beat the shit out of the Afrika Korps in straight forward mechanized warfare
+--- 14934419
+>>14934341
+>Meth doesn't make you a better fighter
+--- 14934434
+>>14934380
+>No, they did not
+Yes they did. And they lost a huge amount of soldiers too.
+>Only 14 year old amerimutts still believe in this bullshit.
+You're an idiot that calls everyone you disagree with a Jew or Amerimutt. Dude. I don't even live in America.
+Whose idea was it to fight multiple fronts at the same time and take no breaks? Hitler of course.
+Wow, are you dumb.
+>>14934419
+>>Meth doesn't make you a better fighter
+That's right. It doesn't.
+--- 14935331
+>>14934411
+They were routed by the italians of all people.
+--- 14935336
+>>14934032
+Thats an edited photo btw, they hoisted a Ukrainian version of the Sov flag, that man was a Ukrainian, commies edited out but now commies have to suck nazi ukrop cock so lol
+--- 14935342
+>>14933974
+Very much the case.
+>>14933813
+>>14933839
+Germany crushed the commies, it was an East Euro civil war.
+--- 14935369
+>We will answer you but 1
+Anyone to talk about Germany in sight of Freya
+--- 14935392
+>>14935369 (Me)
+--- 14935403
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urw-iutHw5E [Embed]
+You grills still to comprehend the real truth of mattress ):
+
+And this song is not to be understood other as being 10yo
+--- 14935406
+>Aus of dem Walt
+>Verstehst du nicht???!
+--- 14935411
+):
+
+ᛋᛋ
+--- 14935421
+>>14932924
+>>14933180
+
+Why are you feeding the biggest autistic troll on this board you idiot. Learn to tell a bait when you see one.
+--- 14935422
+>>14932262 (OP)
+The answer is that they a tactical genius like Heinz Guderian and his book "Atchung Panzer!" which came before the war. He developed the basis for Blitzkrieg as a strategy.
+
+Their equipment was not inferior btw. They had both very modern equipment but also they knew how to use these new weapons of war well, unlike for example the French.
+--- 14935426
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Meth unironically
+--- 14935432
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YbhB_A_8fM [Embed]
+D.o y.o.u r.e.a.l.l.y k.n.o.w what it really is?
+
+>in Freya
+--- 14935443
+>>14933187
+
+You forgot to mention a major reason why Poland was crushed so quickly was also due to miscommunication.
+
+Poland had good defensive lines in the interior of the nation, and they could have much more effectively braced the German invasion from those interior lines. 
+The problem was that Poland was worried that if Germany captured the Polish corridor without resistance, then France and Britain might just accept the situation and settle a deal with Germany to keep the corridor to avoid a war.
+
+Thus Poland opted to defend the corridor, which placed their forces at a severe disadvantage from being attacking on multiple sides in a poorly defendable area and outmanouvered in a sudden German invasion.
+
+To conclude: the main problem for Poland was that they expected France and Britain to help at the onset of war, and that there was a mistrust to France and Britains committment to war that still existed from the Sudetenland crisis, if Poland didnt resist the land Germany had demanded to annex, which had Poland placing its forces in an exposed strategic disadvantage where they eventually were routed and destroyed in the initial week of the invasion.
+--- 14935452
+>>14932309
+That army would get obliterated by an army that embraced the post-9/11 world of drone warfare, precision guided munitions etc.
+--- 14935454
+>>14933144
+>France wouldn't be able to take out fucking Luxembourg if it was at war with Germany and Britain
+
+In 1792, France was at war with Germany (HRE) and Britain, and they then proceeded to take not only Luxembourg but pretty much all Europe.
+Your epic WW2 Germany was just a bootleg version of Napoleonic France.
+--- 14935459
+>>14935452
+you keep destroying computers and you will eventually run out of them.
+--- 14935468
+>in Freya
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwOg9opkDs [Embed] ):
+
+But I AM of the fuhrer and what I said
+
+Les go fens (...) we all know what to do
+--- 14935478
+>>14934033
+>The Russians didn't care about casualties
+Is the implication that, if the Russians had cared about casualties, they would have lost the war?
+--- 14935480
+Also Americha in its size and powress apparently has its wars. But then come heed some ever war that is apporovable ): ): ): ):
+--- 14935487
+>>14935478
+Now this is some more interesting point 4 this board fren.
+
+Also regarding as to who I am. Also gebe me the whole of gay
+--- 14935490
+>>14932808
+And amphetamines... given to all the soldiers
+--- 14935494
+>>14935459
+You keep destroying tanks, ships, planes, rifles, and you will eventually run out of them
+--- 14935497
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>>14932287
+It turns out it was just a lot of meth, unironically.
+--- 14935503
+F.r.e.y.a
+Seems
+To be a.b.l.e
+to
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxHYZ8GfYY [Embed]
+--- 14935506
+>>14933598
+
+Because France failure to prevent a Germany breakthrough in the south had now placed the British forces in an extremely exposed strategic situation. 
+It wasnt exactly Britains fault that the German army had broken through the French lines in the south, and pulling out was the most reasonable decision to make in that situation.
+--- 14935509
+>>14932262 (OP)
+This will be ignored but here's the actual answer, that they already supported the nazis.
+> The Poles,
+German minority.
+ >the French,
+Vichy. 
+> the Dutch, the Belgians, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Greeks, 
+Fake countries.
+>he Russians, etc
+Communism was for jews, the non ethnic Russian goyim opposed it.
+--- 14935516
+YES its that sad frens.
+
+Now gebe it to me 4 redemption
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T582oCa5IIs [Embed]
+--- 14935544
+AUS of theme Walt
+VERSTEHST DU NICHT !!!
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urw-iutHw5E [Embed]
+--- 14935555
+>>14935544 (Me)
+4 also do not understand this. Of you being above 8yo
+--- 14935563
+>>14935555me
+even 5yo
+yes
+
+Also may Austria-Hungary Poland support me. Specifically
+--- 14935611
+>>14935544
+actual theme
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLmT6nu6oGU&t=130 [Embed]
+--- 14935624
+>>14932262 (OP) (Me)
+>>>14935503
+
+OP come on. Freya brutality upon us.
+
+Look at the times now, reply to me. And by this heed the fuhrer.
+--- 14935631
+https://youtu.be/qm1S_ITcuPA [Embed] 
+Idk probably something to do with tanks
+--- 14935645
+And let everyone let off 卐 In your humanity and history, that I am of the fuhrer
+
+O yay
+And that is 100% harmony. 4 I to everyone the fuhrer
+--- 14935718
+Listen Freya had left the whole of Canada at this point. Where they could not have.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxHYZ8GfYY [Embed]
+
+But the real truth of truths is, that however it means that. Freya is not done with this yet at all
+
+>Not at all. At all
+
+>But the WHOLE of Freya WILL not
+--- 14936185
+>>14934434
+He’s right. You sound exactly like a jew mutt 14 year old.
+--- 14936191
+>>14935509
+>greece
+>fake country
+Redpill me on this.
+--- 14936193
+>unstoppable
+>stopped
+What did OP mean by this?
+--- 14936226
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Why is there so much looking back to Nazi Germany? Is information about the Cold War really so obscured? Why did it take Idi Amin (heavily regarded as one of the worlds biggest dumbasses) to say “Hitlers war is not the war we are fighting today”
+--- 14936249
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Much of their early war campaigns and gained territory relied heavily on aerial superiority. Much of their enemies were horrendously underprepared and originally thought that the fighting was going to devolve into a slog like the First World War. In reality, German units were highly mobile and did as much as possible to not get brought into a standstill. It also helped that the average German soldier was an absolute meth head and could go sometimes days without sleep because they were so high.
+--- 14936438
+>>14936249
+>>14935497
+>>14935426
+>>14934403
+>>14934101
+>>14932973
+You guys are like children who just learned a new fact and now it's applied everywhere.
+
+The allies were using amphetamine for the exact same purpose as the Germans and distributed a near equal amount if not more, stop thinking meth was some sort of ad-hoc to fucking everything about the German army. 
+
+The German army excelled because of tactical superiority and an unprepared enemy. German army emphasized on mission command, mobility, combined arms and focus point. 
+
+They failed at their strategic abilities because the military and the nation was unable the achieve the required operational objectives.
+--- 14936458
+>>14932262 (OP)
+>yet they steamrolled over every enemy they faced.
+HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
+--- 14936481
+>>14933180
+Remember when /pol/ was a containment board? As a /k/ faggot I miss those days.
+--- 14936658
+>>14932933
+retard alert
+--- 14936664
+>>14932262 (OP)
+All those countries were smaller, unprepared and underequipped. Their only real feat is zerg rushing the French and knocking them out fast. But even then, they had numerical superiority
+--- 14936685
+>>14936438
+allies used benzadrine, a much milder version with no addictive or psychotic effects and still used today as a nasal decongestant
+--- 14936826
+>>14932262 (OP)
+Meth
+--- 14936830
+>>14936438
+Gernams used it first and their initial offensives where the most successful. People cite the meth use for a good reason. Allies used it for different applications.
+--- 14936837
+>>14936481
+blame /pol/ harbor for causing mass migrations outside the board.
+--- 14936838
+>>14936830
+not >>14936438 , but he has a point that pervitin didn't have much influence, things like logistics, supply lines, resources, new technology and geopolitical strategy were far more influential than a pophistory tidbit
+
+so they stay awake for 48 hours, afterwards they get maddening withdrawal symptoms plus whatever PTSD, then they might be called to action again in an emergency and might not be so lucid in their abilities and decision making skills
+--- 14936845
+Invading Poland wasn't particularly impressive.
+--- 14936850
+>>14935336
+Proof?
+--- 14936853
+>>14932262 (OP)
+I mean I would be also unstoppable if I walked in a prestigious restaurant in full suit and good grooming but all of a sudden started assaulting everyone in middle of meal, but question is how long will it take to security arrive and neutralize me?
+Nazi Germany was the definition of sucker punch.
+--- 14936867
+>>14934390
+>had numerical superiority like in Barbarossa
+Biggest cope ever
+All modern offensives need numerical superiority and the reds had more tanks, more artillery, mechanised infantry, all else that matters
+--- 14936885
+They didn’t have inferior equipment in their initial successful assaults. Only later
+
+The command structure gave huge individual freedom for commanders to do whatever they wanted as long as the mission was fulfilled. Which helped a lot with the early successes like the invasion of France or Yugoslavia

his/14932321.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,349 @@
+-----
+--- 14932321
+why do Europe have so few indigenious peoples?
+--- 14932326
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Because europe created all the indigenous tribes in the 19th century out of thin air using anthropology, and the same thing applied to Europe was called other things.
+--- 14932327
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Being indigenous is often more contingent on being brown and powerless than actual indigenity.
+--- 14932360
+>>14932327
+It's more applied to being tribal and/or a weird culture(if we went by being native to a place, tatars are the newest historical ethnic group to Europe).
+
+Like, if you look at the map, the vast majority of people in every continent aren't indigenous, but i doubt anyone can say africans aren't native to Africa, or whatever.
+--- 14932363
+>>14932360
+They are bantu who displaced the original inhabitants. It's simply not recorded.
+--- 14932373
+>>14932363
+Yeah, but talking as a whole.
+Idk, swap with arabs in Arabia.
+--- 14932378
+>>14932373
+Islam and other religions displaced whatever ethnic groups existed.
+--- 14932383
+>>14932378
+They are the same tribal fags that have lived there since antiquity, even with a religion change.
+
+You are missing the point, anyway.
+--- 14932385
+>>14932360
+Being tribal is very usually tantamount to being powerless anywhere with commonly electrified public buildings.
+--- 14932387
+>>14932383
+Ethnic conflicts didn't exist before the cia.
+Europe created all the ethnic groups in the 19th century to destabilize.
+--- 14932388
+>>14932383
+Also, was talking about Gulf Arabs, mostly.
+--- 14932398
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Shalom
+--- 14932399
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Because it's a stupid chart, even if we add the requirement that the ethnicity should be a minority group.
+>Basque, Catalan, Breton, Wendish, Frisian, etc.
+All ethnic groups that don't have their own states are considered indigenous.
+
+The non-European ones are also retarded. How can the Copts not count as indigenous in Egypt?
+--- 14932404
+>>14932388
+Ethnic conflicts didn't exist before the cia. Name any ethnic group in the world that had a real substantial written language before the 19th century when Europe created the education systems.
+Furthermore to the extent any diversity existed it was destroyed by authoritarian religions like Islam, confucianism and non European imperialism.
+--- 14932413
+>>14932321 (OP)
+What a shitty map. Most Maghrebis are ethnic Berbers thus natives. Egypt having no natives at all is completely wrong, same for the Arabian peninsula.
+I feel like this map is about linguistic minorities rather than actual "indigenous" people.
+--- 14932471
+>>14932321 (OP)
+>>14932327
+>>14932398
+>>14932399
+>>14932413
+>no natives in fucking papua new guinea
+--- 14932472
+>>14932471
+They have the power there and also Indonesia would never allow that.
+--- 14932514
+>>14932327
+/thread/
+--- 14932518
+>>14932434
+lel
+--- 14932769
+>>14932321 (OP)
+excuse me, arent europeans indigenous to europe by definition? what are you trying to say?
+--- 14932775
+>>14932769
+The main groups which now inhabit Europe (Germanics and Slavs) originated in the Asian steppe many thousands of years ago. That's why Saami and Basque are listed as European natives and the other groups are not.
+--- 14932776
+>>14932327
+That’s basically the UN definition lol. Even if you somehow could claim mostly WHG ancestry, you couldn’t claim European indigeneity by the official definition.
+--- 14932777
+>>14932769
+The cia created all the ethnic groups and didn't put any in Europe- except stuff like the Basques which were created artificially in the 20th century to advance communism.
+--- 14932779
+>>14932383
+They’re not at all lol. Very different genome.
+--- 14932784
+>>14932775
+>>14932777
+sounds like jewish pilpul. by that account, we wuz all africans so only africans should have indigenous populations.
+--- 14932791
+>>14932784
+Ethnic conflicts didn't exist before cia
+--- 14932794
+>>14932791
+I dont know what you think you accomplish by spewing that shitty meme
+--- 14932804
+>>14932791
+Right. Bantu expansion never happened, farmniggers were never massacred in Europe, and WHGs just disappeared lol.
+--- 14932805
+>>14932794
+Wonderful counterargument jidf. I'm sure this thread will hit 300 replies now and be spammed every day to your satisfaction.
+--- 14932807
+>>14932784
+It literally is. Anthropology was taken over by Jewish pseudoscience post-WW2, created by Boas and Mead.
+--- 14932809
+>>14932804
+Those weren't the same as the modern ethnicities, of course there were ethnic conflicts but they weren't the modern kind before the cia.
+--- 14932811
+>>14932805
+Post-WW2 anthropology is Jewish pseudoscience.
+--- 14932813
+>>14932807
+>>14932809
+>the cia invented romans vs germans
+>greeks vs persians
+>mughals vs indians
+>the caliphates vs iberia
+nigger what kind of drugs are you on
+--- 14932816
+>>14932811
+It always was. Racism didn't exist before 4chan.
+You don't realize how utterly unique and specially retarded the ideology on this board is.
+--- 14932817
+>>14932809
+The modern ethnicities are made up of them so it’s irrelevant. 
+
+The modern ethnicities literally exist precisely because the other ones don’t lol.
+--- 14932822
+>>14932321 (OP)
+>Israel
+>300k people
+Are Jews not indigenous to Israel??
+--- 14932823
+>>14932813
+Basically all those were jews vs jews, under other names.
+>>14932817
+Bantu (like the others) is not a real ethnicity people call themselves.
+--- 14932824
+>>14932816
+Europeans created and codified the science of it. Denying it is just denying the laws of nature just like communists, Abrahamists etc do.
+--- 14932827
+>>14932824
+Obviously Communists literally created race, Darwin was a marxist etc, because you are a mentally retarded jew you will of course defend white supremacy. As all users of this literal jidf board.
+--- 14932829
+>>14932321 (OP)
+y'all posting in an fdr nigga thread
+herbs in options
+--- 14932844
+>>14932827
+I don’t respond to mental illness. Europeans created sociobiology. Jews migrated to the west post-WW2 en masse, and created pseudoscience (Boas, Mead, Gould, Lewontin, Kamin, Rose) to deny it just like Einstein, Mises, Rothbard, Cantor, Freud, Marx, and Adorno did. And just like Harari and Pinker do now.
+
+Jews have always specialized in pseudoscience.
+
+They were all counter-Jewish revolts against European science.
+--- 14932847
+> ""Indigenous people" has no official definition"
+--- 14932853
+>>14932844
+Race is obviously a Jewish pseudoscience created by engels, and by utter retards on 4chan.
+Racism didn't exist before 4chan.
+--- 14932856
+>>14932844
+In greater detail:
+
+We see the evidence by their specialization in the production of authoritarian religion, pseudoscience, sophistries, deceits, and frauds that falsely and unaccountably promise freedom from physical. natural. and evolutionary laws. again. profiting from the destruction of European high-trust commons, under the pretense of plausible deniability:
+Cantor-Bohr in mathematical re-platonization (sophistry or ‘mathiness’).
+Gould-Boaz-Freud in behavioral sciences (pseudoscience and historical revisionism).
+Marx-Lenin in political economy (the possibility of authoritarian underclass rule and violation of evolutionary law).
+Trotsky-Strauss-Kristol in neoconservatism to convert the USA to advance Jewish globalism.
+Adorno-Marcuse~Fromm (Frankfurt school) in cultural marxism to undermine European aesthetics and values.
+Gramsci-Derrida in postmodernism to undermine truth itself.
+Friedan-Steinem in anti-male, anti-familial feminism.
+Rand-Rothbard in anti-rule of law, anti-nationalist libertarianism.
+Perhaps the most insidious in Raz-Kelsen-Dworkin-llartt in positive or pseudoscientific law. in order to make European evolutionary, scientific, and neutral law devolve into Jewish pilpul (sophistry) law. relativism. and interpretation and kritarchy (rule by judges).
+And that’s before we address their intentional destruction of the architectural, monumental, visual, literary. and entertainment arts.
+--- 14932858
+>>14932856
+Race was also created by jews. Jews created iq tests. Also the torah created race. And most importantly retards on 4chan were the first people to create racism and post infographics.
+--- 14932862
+>>14932856
+>>14932858
+muh Europe
+--- 14932868
+>>14932862
+Nobody outside European and Jewish cultures cared about race, even today it just spread through western culture.
+--- 14932869
+Because indigenous is an anti-nativist term applied exclusively by hostile forces that deliberately excludes actual indigenous people to attempt to divorce them from their history and land.
+--- 14932871
+>>14932868
+What about the Brahmins in India making autistic categories about everyone based on each's specific descendance?
+--- 14932873
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Every European ethnicity were indigenous to the Romans (except the Greeks). That includes the french, the germans, the anglo-saxons, the bulgars, the slavs, etc etc.
+--- 14932875
+>>14932871
+Dravidians were east Africans (the true hebrews) and the Jewish obsession with race can be traced to this offshoot.
+--- 14932882
+>>14932858
+No, sorry. I don’t respond to pseudoscience or bait, but I can use the opportunity to summarize the science and educate those who will listen:
+
+The Immateriality of Race Is a Social Construction (lie) to Destroy Great Civilizations.
+1 – The Four Major Races: West Eurasian (European), South Eurasian (today’s Islam and India), Mongoloid (East-Asian), and Negroid (African). The rest are hybrids of these four.
+2 – The South Eurasian Race: Includes the peoples of North Africa, the Levant, and Mesopotamia, Caucuses, Iran, the Central Asian steppe, India, and what we consider the Turkic branch is a hybrid of Iranic and Mongoloid (East-Asian).
+3 – 750M: White “Loosely” European Peoples (Subrace) means ‘European christendom’ which includes southern Europeans: southern Spain, the boot of Italy, the byzantine Balkans who are of Anatolian rather than Russo-Ukrainian origins.
+4 – 450M: White “Narrowly” Northern European Peoples (Minor Race) means descendants of Atlantic, Germanic, and Slavic europeans from france to the Urals, of Aristotelian (atheist), protestant, catholic, and Orthodox backgrounds, who are primarily the descendent of Russo-ukrainian, and built their civilization in the cold.
+White nationalists, and white identitarians use the narrow definition. When the rest of us refer to european civilization we use the looser definition.
+--- 14932883
+>>14932875
+What abou the Incaz?
+--- 14932889
+>>14932882
+bs
+--- 14932892
+>>14932882
+You didn't address jews creating all that but it's fine. 
+There are three actual races:
+White
+Black (melanin)
+Mongoloid (rainfall causing calcium deficiency)
+Due to peak oil all soil depletes its calcium and all populations become mongoloid over time. All races physically devolved from Neanderthal Georgian proto-humans to modern urbanites then in the future to complete insects.
+>>14932883
+Jews were in the America's as well and Mayan have jewish inscriptions.
+--- 14932908
+>>14932892
+Incaz obviously weren't Jewish, they were based and red-pilled
+--- 14932916
+>>14932321 (OP)
+There's almost half a billion indigenous people in Europe, it's just that the World Bank (which produced your infographic) was created by Jewish communist bankers (look up Harry Dexter White and Frank Virginius Coe) who are intent on exterminating Europeans, and they absolutely do not want it recognized that the current waves of mass immigration into Europe are displacing indigenous peoples.
+--- 14932917
+>>14932908
+https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27nai_Moshe&ved=2ahUKEwjivYqXpL3-AhVxPEQIHYEuC0gQmhN6BAgaEAI&usg=AOvVaw17HSgQZilxS1nPtVxFwsAG
+--- 14932919
+>>14932916
+Indigenous implies land theft is an issue. In reality Europeans simply take the American route to mutt subhumanity and there is no land theft.
+--- 14932925
+>>14932917
+I don't get it
+--- 14932928
+>>14932925
+Jewish incas, with a hint they were already there.
+--- 14932931
+>>14932928
+fake, like the cristal skull
+--- 14932936
+>>14932931
+In order to survive they need malaria adaptation so it's likely any early community like that was already there.
+--- 14932946
+>>14932936
+There's no Malaria in the Andes
+--- 14932948
+>>14932946
+Then altitude adaptation.
+--- 14932950
+>>14932948
+The Incas have altitude adaptation
+--- 14932954
+>>14932950
+Jewish elites do not. Only the few suspicious ones they found there.
+--- 14932955
+>>14932954
+> it's da jooz
+--- 14932968
+>>14932916
+The term "indigenous" is only used when it can create division and delegitimize ethnic nationalism. For example in the US: Native Americans are portrayed as the true indigenous people --> everyone else is considered as foreign immigrants --> "why do you want to restrict immigration? America was always a land of immigration". In reality, the United States were founded as a WASP nation and it only began to decline when non-whites were given citizenship.
+For some reason, there's a very strong political agenda against ethnic nationalism, homogeneity, well-defined national identities.
+--- 14932970
+>>14932968
+These non whites being the jews who founded America.
+--- 14933029
+>>14932970
+>These non whites being the jews who founded America.
+Jews didn't found America anon lol.
+--- 14933268
+>>14932775
+but saamis arrived to scandinavia later then indoeuropeans
+--- 14933788
+>>14932388
+They're iranian
+--- 14933800
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Does by burger education "indeginous" simply means someone who lives like a primitive? By definition it should mean someone hailing for generations from a specific teritory, making majority of europe indeginous to europe
+--- 14933904
+>we all coom from Afrika, nobody is an alien here
+>there are indigenous and non-indigenous people
+--- 14934461
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Who tf are the indigenous people of Ethiopia? The Omotic speakers?
+--- 14934474
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Define "indigenous". Everybody displaced someone else at some point.
+--- 14934482
+>>14932873
+You don’t know the meaning of that word do you? And no, a lot of non roman Europens were not considered indigeneous by the Romans
+--- 14934488
+>>14932822
+Careful buddy
+--- 14934513
+>>14934488
+>he thinks calling Jews colonizers is some bold claim
+It's close to becoming mainstream. I know several zoomers at college who genuinely believe that.
+--- 14934524
+>>14934482
+Wrong. They were indigenous. It was the Romans that came to invade the lands of the indigenous barbarians like the G*RMANS
+--- 14934555
+>>14934524
+Germanics came from Scandinavia to invade Celtic lands, originally Germania was Celtic
+--- 14934558
+>>14934555
+It doesn't matter, because the Romans are invaders to the land and the the natives are whoever the savages are.
+--- 14934564
+>>14932321 (OP)
+because they go of of self-identification
+it literally says so in the image for fucks sake
+
+make a better, more worthwhile thread next time
+--- 14934567
+>>14932321 (OP)
+
+Because Jews get to decide who qualifies as an "indigenous people" and they hate white people. Next?
+--- 14934568
+>>14934558
+Germanics invaded Italy before the Romans invaded Germania, see the Cimbri and Teutoni
+
+
+Also natives=indigeneous. Again you ignore the meaning of the words you’re using
+--- 14934573
+>>14934568
+It doesn't matter who invaded first. Indigenous people of Germania invaded Rome, Rome invaded Germania where the indigenous people of Germania lived.
+--- 14934603
+>Ctrl+F "World Bank"
+>1 result
+86 replies, and only one single person is capable of enough critical thinking to ask the very basic questions "who is making this claim, and what motive might they have to make it?"
+
+Honestly, the NPC meme is real. You fuckers don't have a claim to be fully human.
+--- 14935409
+the non-indigeneity of historically dominant ethnic majorities in nation states is literally the World Bank (see source of infographic, thanks poster above me) and academia fully falling for the "and then the fire nation attacked" approach to history. No I won't elaborate what I mean by this, that's for you to figure out
+--- 14935504
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Because Indigenous is usually used in relation to settlers or Europeans.
+--- 14935903
+>>14935504
+This, the term only makes sense in the context of a colonial relationship, hence why Jews aren't considered indigenous to Israel, they're the ones with the power and actively displacing a population that was there before them. Read "indigenous" as "powerless + minority".
+(Notice how they only count the Palestinians living outside the reservation as indigenous though lol)
+--- 14935959
+>>14932321 (OP)
+Because historically eurocentrism dictated that generic Europeans are the universal subjects of world history while specific different "native" or "indigenous" peoples are static, specific anthropological objects.

his/14932339.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,145 @@
+-----
+--- 14932339
+So a guy that never met Jesus, except in dreams and visions, and stole his theology from Plato and Philo, wrote half the New Testament?
+
+Why should I believe Paul?
+--- 14932347
+>>14932339 (OP)
+Because every other apostle accepted him as legit, and none of the communities the other apostles founded, went non-pauline, despite some being in the ass end of nowhere from Judea(India, Ethiopia, the Caucasus).
+--- 14932381
+>>14932339 (OP)
+But what would Jews put in a beverage to super charge their energy?
+--- 14932444
+>>14932339 (OP)
+Jesus says he meets Paul. Who is a Pharisee Jew who then turns over the gospel to the world, which was Jesus’ purpose for dying. Even before Jesus, God told you through Moses that they were disobedient and deserved to die. God didn’t want a people anymore, their purpose had become like Cain. Spoiled and unbelieving.
+It’s like making a fan club for the Mario brothers. They used to be the same size just one was red the other was green. There used to be no difference. Then they started making one fat ans short and the other is skinny and tall. God created Adam, one man, not two. Likewise, God gave us Jesus Christ, not Adam and Jesus Christ. Adam is gone away, he is a saved sinner like everyone else. Jesus is his savior. We are all one in Jesus Christ. It isn’t Jew based Christians + Non-Jew Christians where you make the non jew Christians short and fat and the jew Christians get to be tall and skinny. Jesus said there is only one body, one soul, one spirit.
+Paul said nothing new, he only came to show you and explain to you how the Jews convert. He isn’t the last author of the New Testament. Jesus isn’t a handicapped psychic zombie in a wheelchair hiding in a vault somewhere. He has a new body of glory in heaven and knows very well what is happening on earth and what the Bible says.
+--- 14932496
+>>14932444
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MpC5Bi974I [Embed]
+Stale Cracker makes pig skins out of giant pig stomach skin still with the nipples on. They are incredibly soft and puffy and not hard.
+I have only seen soft and puffy pig skins in gourmet food or natural health food stores. And even then, theirs are so tiny and thin that there isn’t very much of them and in a tiny bag.
+This man is a miracle sent from God. And I bet his Cajun pig skins taste good.
+The main thing about pigskins is that they leave an aftertaste after the stomach digests most of it down with a freeze dried kind of dirt+rotten meat after taste even though it isn’t going to kill anyone, it just a bitter flavor of leftover pig stomach taste. Everyone knows that has eaten pig skins b4. Well, all you need is a little ginger or peppermint to digest that out.
+Btw Mike Lindell looks like Siegeward of Catarina which looks like Mario and in Elden Ring they left Siegeward out and I miss him. They only brought Patches over, which is like as if they made a Mario game and decided to leave Mario out and only have Luigi.
+--- 14932511
+Aka one man!
+--- 14932977
+>>14932339 (OP)
+What did he gain by doing this? He only lost status and put himself in danger when he could live far more priviligied
+--- 14932998
+>>14932444
+>Adam is gone away, he is a saved sinner like everyone else. Jesus is his savior.
+Bro what? so Adam waited 6000 years sleeping in his tomb until Jesus was born? God isn't powerful enough to save its own creation?
+--- 14933610
+>>14932998
+You will shut up and stop asking endless questions you pretend to understand. You don’t know anything and you make things up for sake of Satan. You the accuser become the accused in an endlessly looping damning hell.
+--- 14933644
+>>14932339 (OP)
+Seems like it worked well for Muhammad
+--- 14933671
+>>14932977
+Throughout history, people have lied for many reasons.
+--- 14933680
+>>14932381
+foreskin puree
+--- 14933693
+This drink has an interesting website
+--- 14933713
+>>14933693
+>>14933698
+>>14933702
+>>14933707
+120 verbal IQ
+--- 14933717
+>>14933693
+>>14933698
+>>14933702
+ok what the fuck is this shit lmao
+--- 14933729
+The entire OT was written by Greeks.
+--- 14933731
+>>14932339 (OP)
+Because no one ever got saved by boasting about something they did.
+
+
+[Jas 1:26 KJV] 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain.
+
+[Rom 3:27 KJV] 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
+--- 14933738
+>>14933729
+>reeeeeeeeeeee
+--- 14933746
+>>14933738
+Verily. Every word of the NT is true though.
+--- 14933843
+>>14933746
+What is truth? Asking for a friend
+--- 14933847
+>>14933843
+that God is love
+--- 14933867
+>>14933847
+Then why not just call him Love?
+--- 14933870
+>>14933843
+If you have to ask then you can't know. I'll save myself the two hours of hand holding.
+--- 14933883
+>>14933847
+>>14933870
+>ostensible Christians miss the obvious reference to their own sacred gospels 
+Many such cases. I’ll pray for you
+--- 14933913
+>>14933883
+how does my answer imply that i didn't get the reference?
+--- 14933931
+>>14933913
+The fact that Jesus himself had no response but you in your hubris claim to have an answer. Repent
+--- 14934042
+>>14933931
+It's not that He didn't have a response. The reason He stayed quiet is because He didn't need to speak to answer the question. It would've been a distortion of the truth because men's language can distort. He IS truth (alétheia, unconcealment, manifestation). He is manifestation of the Word which, in a way, is the love of God
+
+So, "What is truth?" that God is love. Men have to speak this; Christ didn't have to
+--- 14935230
+>>14932998
+Why would a dead person care about waiting? Time is not an object for them.
+--- 14935233
+>>14932339 (OP)
+what is apostolic succession
+--- 14935247
+>>14932977
+Except Random Roman Bureaucrat #3498 is totally forgotten while Founding Father of Christianity Paul gets his letters read every Sunday in a million churches around the world
+--- 14935268
+>>14933729
+hot take right here
+--- 14935273
+>>14935233
+>What it is not
+>listening to governments or religions that operate from places that have 7 hills
+--- 14935278
+>>14935273
+Mary's Land. Like drawing nudes.
+--- 14935285
+>>14932998
+The flow of time needn't be an impediment to God. It's perfectly reasonable for the crucifixion to affect all points of time in creation, including those before it.
+--- 14935297
+>>14935285
+Needn't reply to him, all a child of God has to do is filter his comments and his affections from the temple are disabled and nullified. That is HOW it is supposed to work. I reject him. Jesus himself also said it works this way with God. So with Satan also, since Satan vowed to be like God.
+--- 14935363
+>>14935273
+if your church leadership doesn't have receipts proving apostolic succession you are a LARP Christian
+
+consider the Oriental Churches, they too respect this tradition of laying on hands to confer authority among elders and have some of the strongest claims of direct continuity
+
+some protestants do not because they literally can not claim legitimate descent from the early church
+
+the church fathers unanimously voice their support for apostolic succession
+--- 14935423
+>>14935363
+kys troon, I already am God and told you WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GOD DAMN DO MOTHER FUCKER.
+--- 14935446
+>>14935273
+what should I refuse to trust because it's based in Newton, Massachusetts?
+--- 14936056
+>>14934042
+So once again you presume to respond when Jesus himself did not. Intredasting

his/14932441.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+-----
+--- 14932441
+How the fuck did the Vietnamese develop a writing system that was even more difficult than Chinese?
+--- 14932836
+>>14932441 (OP)
+Does it even matter anymore?
+They got colonized and now are using the CHAD Latin script.
+--- 14932843
+one part is the pronunciation and the other is the meaning, zhuang had a similar system called sawndip
+--- 14932845
+>>14932836
+Yeah because the most chad thing you can do with the latin script is put diacritics over every vowel and every third consonant because it's a fucking tonal language
+--- 14933162
+>>14932845
+chinks made their language tonal. Austroasiatic languages are non-tonal
+--- 14933279
+>>14932441 (OP)
+It was a very specialised tool of precise semantic transcription.
+Never a regular writing system intended for the wide public.
+
+Just compare Chinese to the much harder to use and interpret rhyme tables or separate models of accurately transcribing Sanskrit mantras.
+
+The first and original use-case was to compose poetry rhyming in Old Viet-Muong.
+Then it also became a mnemoic for people with really bad grasp of Classical Chinese (for learning and retention).
+Finally when the Christian missionaries came and started mass-production of missionaries who simply needed to recite the Latin-spelled transliteration of the Bible, the Buddhists adapted as well and started transliterating all their works into Chu-nom for the same effect. Reading off of a pre-written narrative rather than reading the originals in very specific Classical Chinese that they'd need to both process and explain to the commoners on their own. 
+
+
+A few Thang Hoan regimes tried to have everything translated into it (since they had no access to Sinitic education but could at least semi-understand the Middle Vietnamese which split from their native language around the 11th century), but all of these efforts were short-lived and failed.
+The locals themselves usually complained that Chu Nom is complicated and not very useful. After all, the irony is that it faces the same problem as standard Chinese characters and even Latin (modern 國語). Those phnetic symbols also antiquated and lacked standardisation.
+And even modern Vietnamese can't technically use either properly, though it's at least in a reasonably-intelligible divergence today. 
+"Ao dai" or "襖𨱽". If you ask in the south, the former is Aw yay and in the north it is Aw zay. Doing the same with symbols, the southerner sees Ao Tng, the northerner Ao Chng.
+--- 14933951
+>>14932441 (OP)
+It's unnecessary to add those radicals to the numbers. You can clearly recognise them within the viet numbers (except for 4, I think)
+零一二三四五六八九十百千
+--- 14935703
+>>14933951
+I don't speak Vietnamese so I might be wrong, but it just looks like they tried to make every character have a phonetic radical.
+
+巴 = Ba + 三 = 3
+南 = Nan + 五 = 5
+
+4, I assume 本 sounds like hon in Vietnamese, like Nihon (日本) with 罒 looking like an abridged 四

his/14932448.txt

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+-----
+--- 14932448
+How did God make the Sun stop spinning in the middle of the sky for Joshua in Joshua 10:12? Even if you take into account a heliocentric model of the Earth wouldn't the oceans and tectonic plates smash around if the Earth came to a grinding halt?
+--- 14933236
+>>14932448 (OP)
+see book of jasher
+--- 14934197
+>>14932448 (OP)
+Pause time outside of Earth or quicken time on Earth
+--- 14934202
+It was a vision
+--- 14934226
+>>14932448 (OP)
+Earth is flat according to the Bible
+--- 14934250
+It was a miracle. The whole point is that natural laws are abrogated because of supernatural involvement
+--- 14934268
+>>14934250
+The sun was already stationary.
+--- 14934802
+>>14934226
+/thread
+--- 14934808
+>>14932448 (OP)
+Magic, my nigga.
+--- 14935922
+>>14932448 (OP)
+My best explanation is that when it says the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, this was only what appeared to happen to those on the ground. That is, the light from the sun continued to come from the same direction miraculously, even though things were moving normally for that day. By the way, this also explains the appearance of the sun and moon and stars on the fourth day of creation, because that's just them appearing from the perspective of an observer (namely the Spirit of God) on earth, while before they were not yet visible due to atmospheric effects blocking them.
+--- 14936414
+>>14932448 (OP)
+God has authority even over the apparent laws of physics. He can do anything He wants.
+--- 14936625
+>>14935922
+During the appearances of Fatima, witnesses said the Sun moved around the sky. Strangely there were pictures of people "witnessing this" but no pictures of the event itself. Weird....
+--- 14936628
+>>14934250
+>>14936414
+These are both the correct response. Why do atheists have such a big problem with the very idea of omnipotence?

his/14932806.txt

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+-----
+--- 14932806
+Why is biblical Greek (Koine) the most expressive and beautiful language in the world? was it really chosen by god?
+--- 14932832
+>>14932806 (OP)
+The Greek of the NT is extremely crude and low class attesting to the low class shmoes it was originally written for. Many of the ethical questions people have raised over the years could have been cleared up by a better writer.
+--- 14933016
+Like how Greek has different words for love, the language is more precise
+--- 14934082
+>>14932806 (OP)
+It evidently isn't. You could at least acknowledge Attic Greek as more expressive, given that it hadn't dropped the optative.
+t. Greek knower
+--- 14934803
+>>14932806 (OP)
+Reminds me of Elon Musk. Elon thinks he can try and be edgy atheist secular hero for the world and fix it and fight the globalists without even knowing 1 thing about the spirit world and the war that is going on. Imagine thinking this as you try to fix everything and what is going to happen to you in the spiritual world. It's not good.
+Greeks were only blessed by being near to God's Nation on earth during the time of Jesus' life. God used them for the root of the Gentile to reach the rest of the world.
+But not everything Greek is blessed just by being Greek. Plenty of homosexual greek stuff and Satanic witchcraft.
+--- 14934823
+>>14934803
+Hindus and stuff would start incorporating Elon into religious canon about their gods and stuff since he doesn't choose God/a side in the matter.
+--- 14935031
+>>14932806 (OP)
+>Why is biblical Greek (Koine) the most expressive and beautiful language in the world? 
+It's not. That honor belongs to Tamil, of which Gayreek is merely a bastard child.
+--- 14935064
+>>14934082
+The optative is a waste. The subjunctive can be used to express the same nature of discourse, as per Latin.
+--- 14935159
+>>14932832
+>>14934082
+>>14935031
+You have no Idea what you're talking about. Koine is the Champions League of Languages. Seeth atheist scum
+--- 14935176
+>>14932806 (OP)
+Syriac is beautiful and expressive too
+--- 14935224
+>>14932832
+meanwhile the Greek of the Old Testament is extremely refined and high class, being written for the Pharaoh himself ofc
+--- 14935234
+>>14935176
+Syriac is hella gay bro
+--- 14935876
+>>14932806 (OP)
+>>14932806 (OP)
+No one in this thread can read Koine Greek.
+Or Syriac, or Tamil, or Arabic, or Latin or Sanskrit or Mandarin
+--- 14935929
+>>14935159
+>e-convert
+>defending koine for being beautiful
+The Church Fathers are rolling in their graves
+--- 14935977
+That's not how you spell Japanese
+--- 14936406
+>>14932806 (OP)
+Greek was the language of poets and philosophers at the cultural center of the world. Until the Romans took over and brought with them Latin.
+--- 14936547
+>>14935234
+No, YOU are hella gay, faggot! 
+
+ܩܛܠ ܢܦܫܟ
+
+(Kys in syriac)

his/14933078.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933078
+Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis? Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?
+--- 14933083
+>>14933078 (OP)
+They were mostly iranian and pakistani.
+Hindoo rats like to we wuz them because their abo ancestors were stone age chimps in the meanwhile
+--- 14933084
+>>14933078 (OP)
+Harappans tortured Aryans to death in their "cities" and then adopted their artifacts and destroyed all written accounts of anything at all.
+--- 14933203
+>>14933078 (OP)
+They were erectus/neanderthals. Nothing relevant to anything remotely near today.
+--- 14933345
+>>14933083
+We dont want to larp as Indus valley civilisation because it was so so great and all but because we deny AIT. It's only Pakis who think there is anything larp worthy about Indus valley civilization because its the only thing about their history that isn't about getting ruled by some foreigner or getting outright btfo'd. Indians have better people to wewuzz as.
+--- 14933349
+>>14933083
+You just know a paki ratboy is behind this post.
+--- 14933434
+>>14933345
+Pakis larp as arabs not IVC. They start their history with Muhammad bin Qasim. IVC larp is the domain of Pajeets
+--- 14933483
+>>14933434
+Dont tell me about the affairs of my own subcontinent. Paki elites dropped the Arab larp some decades ago,there are written records of old Paki generals wanking to some random Paki historical figures related to their actual ethnicity. The masses have now caught up and after constant humiliation by Arabs they have started to larp as IVC. Paki Zeitgeist will accept IVC as the foundation instead of Qasim's conquest in some years even though no serious historian of theirs considers the foundation before 1947.
+--- 14933525
+>>14933483
+>>14933349
+>>14933345
+Seething larper Hindooo rats, your streetshitting dravidian chimp ancestors had nothing to do with the IVC, which was entirely formed and centered arround pakistan.
+--- 14933596
+>>14933078 (OP)
+>Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis?
+Yeah. Especially people in the Northwest. The Aryans mixed with them.
+>Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?
+Depends on what you mean. Their textiles were definitely influential on Indian fabric and clothes. However, a lot of the speculation about their religion and its relation to Hinduism is massive speculation by Westerners who were hungry for some "lost civilization" shit. Afaik the IVC collapsed well in advance of the Aryans arriving in India. So in the realm of Indic thought, they probably did have some influence, but probably a lot less than what is made out. In terms of the material culture there was an impact.
+--- 14933624
+>>14933078 (OP)
+How close are we to cracking their script?
+--- 14933747
+>>14933078 (OP)
+>Were these guys related to Indians and Pakistanis? 
+Yeah.
+>Has any aspect of IVC influenced later Hindu cultures?
+Their language was likely Proto-Dravidian, so in that regard yes.
+--- 14933756
+>>14933078 (OP)
+I haven’t read the comments in this thread, but I wonder if more comments will be “Haha, cow poop” or “Le epic Aryan ubermensch”.
+--- 14934014
+My friends Punjabi dad put Aryan as his race when he immigrated to the US
+--- 14934081
+>>14933747
+>Proto-Dravidian
+Why do these guys love larping so much? They claim to be sumerians, elamites, and IVC
+--- 14934289
+>Indus civilization
+>forever in the shadow of UD REEEEAAAAAA
+--- 14934318
+>>14934081
+>Sumerians
+That's LARP.
+>Elamites
+It's plausible that Proto-Dravidian was a sister of Elamite. We can't say for sure either way.
+>IVC
+They most likely did speak Proto-Dravidian.
+--- 14934360
+>>14933083
+>>14933525
+Smelly pakijeet pretending he's not a pajeet lmao
+--- 14934368
+>>14934289
+Sumer was a poor shithole by comparison
+They were living in mudhuts and streetshitting while IVC had comfy houses with plumbing
+--- 14934720
+>>14934318
+There is no proof or evidence. Its a larp
+--- 14935222
+>>14934368
+Egypt>IVC>Sumer
+--- 14935279
+>>14933083
+wrong. everyone in the subcontinent has indus genes. also i doubt you know what your are talking about since u just said “iranian” with no details
+--- 14936066
+>>14934368
+Sumer > IVC > Egypt
+--- 14936071
+>>14935279
+>indus genes
+Says the guy who stated this.
+--- 14936120
+>>14935279
+All african americans have english genes too. Hindooo rat
+--- 14936371
+>>>/news/1158710 #
+
+https://twitter.com/Storm_011234/status/1648663703678783488
+
+https://twitter.com/sabrshukur/status/1648647750542663683
+
+https://twitter.com/HindusOfTikTok/status/1649876223953186816
+
+https://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649731513108537346
+
+https://twitter.com/Storm_011234/status/1649201536139161602
+
+https://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649462970785890304
+
+https://twitter.com/InsurgentHumour/status/1649008867005857792
+
+https://twitter.com/1C0N0CL45T/status/1649098985154686977?cxt=HHwWgsDRmcWy4-ItAAAA
+--- 14936375
+>>14936371
+--- 14936381
+>>14936375
+--- 14936384
+>>14936381
+--- 14936386
+>>14936384
+--- 14936388
+>>14936386
+--- 14936392
+>>14936388
+--- 14936394
+>>14936392
+--- 14936397
+>>14936394
+--- 14936401
+>>14936397
+--- 14936402
+>>14936401
+--- 14936408
+>>14936402
+--- 14936410
+>>14936408
+--- 14936413
+>>14936410
+--- 14936422
+>>14936413
+--- 14936425
+>>14936422
+--- 14936428
+>>14936425
+--- 14936432
+>>14936428

his/14933094.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933094
+What would Marx think of Lenin?
+--- 14933097
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Ford ran the soviet car industry and communism is a market economy
+--- 14933106
+>>14933097
+That doesn't answer the question.
+--- 14933109
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Considering they're both communists, Marx would have found some small thing bad about Lenin before calling him a rightist deviationist and condemning the whole USSR
+--- 14933111
+>>14933109
+Not a small thing, Lenin openly supported capitalism.
+--- 14933114
+>>14933109
+Majority of people Marx criticized were other communists.
+--- 14933116
+>>14933094 (OP)
+>pretty good for someone who's only like half Jewish, really showed those Goyim who's boss
+
+>>14933097
+Communism wad never meant to be take seriously as an ideology, it's just a tactic to get dumb cattle to overthrow their own leaders and install hostile foreign invaders instead.
+Communism was supported by Jewish bankers, all the Communist governments were full of Jews (yes, even in China), and Marx himself was descended from a long line of prominent Rabbis.
+--- 14933118
+>>14933109
+This basically
+--- 14933124
+>>14933116
+Redpill me on Judeo-Ho Chi Minhism
+--- 14933146
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Barracksw Communism
+--- 14933153
+>>14933109
+>>14933111
+
+lol
+--- 14933166
+>>14933116
+Then what do you call the type of economic system that was implemented in Israeli kibbutzim back in the early days of Jewish settlement in Palestine?
+--- 14933190
+>>14933094 (OP)
+
+He will likely criticize him for modifying Marxism so much.
+--- 14933192
+>>14933190
+No he would criticize Lenin's dogmatism. Marx never liked 'Marxism'.
+--- 14933368
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Who gives a fuck
+--- 14933520
+>>14933116
+Seeing Marxism as some Jewish supremacy cult is the most retarded take someone can have. When they start talking like this you just know they have never read a book in their life and get all their “info” from retarded bitchute videos
+--- 14933550
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Lenin would throw his lazy germ ass in a labor camp, and rightfully so
+--- 14933627
+>>14933094 (OP)
+He would have called him Blanquist and would have denounced him for perverting the Marx idea of class consciousness. Lenin was alone among the second-generation Marxists who denied that workers would attain proletarian consciousness over time, he insisted that without the Party - a bunch of high middle-class intelligentsia, self proclaimed vanguard of proletariat, lead by the professional party elite - workers will remain in the state of exploration forever. That directly contradicts the Marx view on history as impersonal class struggle, in which parties doesn't play much role.
+
+I'd say Kautsky's critique of Bolshevism is the closest to Marx's hypothetical position, seen how Kautsky was the most orthodox Marxists out there.
+--- 14933637
+>>14933520
+yup
+--- 14933646
+>>14933627
+But Marx himself was Blanquist though, and Marx's criticisk of Blanqui was not that he wanted to usurp power but that he had no plans as to how to actually implement socialism.
+--- 14933649
+>>14933124
+I know that before Israel was founded, Ho Chi Minh suggested to David Ben Gurion that a Communist Vietnam could host a Zionist government in exile, but I've never really looked very deeply into Vietnam, because I can't read Vietnamese and it pales in comparison with other Asian powers such as Japan and China (I'm fluent in Japanese and can read Chinese to some degree). So I can't really answer your question about North Vietnam. About China though, you can find plenty of material even on the Anglophone internet, unless Google (founded by the Jews Sergey Brin and Larry Page) takes it down or delists the website from its search engine, which they do with a lot of material that exposes Jewish crimes, like this:
+aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/06/jews-in-china.html
+
+>>14933520
+Actually, the fact that you have read a total of 0 serious books on Judaism, do not know what the Noahide laws are and how the USSR implemented them, and have obviously never researched who financed Bolshevism would suggest that you're the retard here.
+--- 14933688
+>>14933649
+Communism holds anti racism as one of its values, so posting them law against discrimination of Jews is not at all evidence that the ideology itself is some Jewish supremacist cult. The Soviets also established autonomous regions for ethnic minorities including Jews and even one for the Volga Germans.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_German_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic
+
+You just do this thing where you find a Jew inside some communist movement to prove it means something larger which is the logic a retard would use. Like I said you have more than likely never read a book. What bitchute video did you learn this from?
+--- 14933706
+>>14933688
+The fact that law was crafted after the General Jewish Labor Bund merger is pretty suspicious. Also, Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.
+--- 14933728
+>>14933706
+Because both were a minority ethnic group in Russia at the time, so both got their own autonomous regions under soviet law. I pointed out the Volga Germans to show you that this wasn’t some special privilege awarded to just Jews.
+
+Also, how do you factor in the fact that the Bolsheviks, including exclusively Jewish factions in that circle, were fundamentally anti-Zionist? Even after the creation of Israel, the Soviet world backed the Arabs against Israel and their propaganda refers to Israel as a Nazi apartheid capitalist state. 
+
+Bundism was born out of commie Jews rejecting Zionism.
+--- 14933739
+>>14933728
+>pointed out the Volga Germans
+>>14933706
+>Also, Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.
+--- 14933772
+>>14933116
+>all the communist governments were full of Jews
+Give me the full gestalt on Jews in the Khmer Rouge
+--- 14933775
+>>14933739
+An autonomous republic wasn’t some special exclusive thing for Jews. If you are using that as evidence of Jewish supremacy in communism then you’re being retarded
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republics
+--- 14933778
+>>14933775
+>wasn’t some special exclusive thing for Jews
+>>14933706
+>Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.
+
+You're failing to justify your conclusions.
+--- 14933816
+>>14933778
+I’m not, you’re obfuscating because your point is retarded. Whats your evidence that communism is some Jewish supremacy idea? You didn’t know other ethnic groups got their own regions too or that the Bund movement was anti Zionist.
+--- 14933820
+>>14933688
+>Communism holds anti racism as one of its values
+No it doesn't.
+--- 14933840
+>>14933816
+>You didn’t know other ethnic groups got their own regions too
+>>14933706
+>Germans had been in the Volga for nearly two millennia, that's eight times longer than jews have occupied Israel and doesn't explain why they got the far east oblast.
+These things were all well known. You need to explain why the German oblast was so tiny and ended up extinguished while jews with no far eastern history were given super Israel and it exists today, or why the GJLB was permitted to write death penalties for people vaguely mentioning anything less than positive of jews.
+--- 14933860
+>>14933840
+>the Jewish region was bigger!
+This is a lame thing to point to as evidence and you know it.
+
+Do you want to make a pint or do you just want to shitpost? I’m trying to engage with you
+--- 14933885
+>>14933860
+No you're not. You're dodging things you don't want to have to defend just to maintain your world view. It's obvious that they were a force of evil in the early USSR. You don't have to wear a monocle over a schmiss to see that.
+--- 14933886
+>>14933840
+I wonder why Soviet Union in the 30s might have looked at Germans with suspicion anon... I guess we will never know!
+--- 14933899
+>>14933885
+You just keep repeating the same incoherent thing over and over again and it doesn’t make any sense. Like just say your point, stop trying to be some cryptic faggot. You’re a fucking idiot with poor communication and reading comprehension skills and you have never read a book and fall for retarded conspiracy theories you see in bitchute videos
+--- 14933903
+>>14933886
+If we're talking casualties inflicted,then they had equal reason to view jews with suspicion.
+--- 14933914
+>>14933903
+Every point you have made is stupid and based on your complete ignorance of the topic and when this is called out you just offer up some bullshit excuse. You come across as the sort of retard that doesn’t brush his teeth for days at a time.
+--- 14933923
+>>14933899
+>You’re a fucking idiot with poor communication and reading comprehension
+You're projecting. I just want you to respond to the historicity aspect. The Germans had been on the Volga a long time. It is rightfully theirs. The jews had no connection with super Israel yet they maintain it nominally today. You're on a history board ffs. Use a historical lens instead of a rabbinical one for five fucking seconds you bad faith denialist. Doesn't matter of the GJLB had some anti Zionist members,they behaved like supremacists.
+--- 14933933
+>>14933914
+I think you're projecting again. I literally use whitening strips and get compliments on specifically that. This is the hazard of arguing personage on an anonymous board. Now you just look like a pathetic cretin shadow boxing against someone you've imagined and who you can't even comprehend.
+--- 14934043
+>>14933923
+>Doesn't matter of the GJLB had some anti Zionist members,they behaved like supremacists.
+No retard, the movement itself was rooted in anti Zionism. You faggots always make such a fuss about being silenced and whatnot and the moment someone offers to hear out your argument you completely shit the bed.
+
+You’re a lazy idiot
+--- 14934164
+>>14933688
+>What bitchute video did you learn this from?
+I'm sitting here laughing about how you can't even wrap your head around the fact how someone can even be doing independent research.
+You're in fact inferior to me in much the same way a child of three years is inferior to an adult.
+
+I've been perusing the historical archives of countless governments, NGO's, newspapers and museums in half a dozen different languages, not to mention all the religious scripture.
+I do also read books on history and listen to interviews with historians and the like, but I'm mainly interested in primary documents, or at least translations thereof.
+I know this sounds crazy for someone like you who got all his "knowledge" on history from TV, public schools and whatever schlock you found in Walmart's book section, but historians tend to write a lot of BS, especially on politically controversial topics that could see them getting dropped by their publishers, not to mention getting imprisoned (if they live in Europe or Russia).
+
+Relations between the USSR and Israel were in fact very friendly, up until Golda Meir visited Moscow and Stalin got the impression that the local Jews seemed to feel a greater connection to her and Israel than to him and the Soviet Union.
+ 
+The existence of Jews who were opposed to the foundation of a Jewish state at the time is hardly an unusual thing, there were both religious and strategic considerations involved. Religious anti-Zionist groups like the Satmar Hasidim point to Tractate Kesubos, folio 111a as forbidding the Jews from trying to immigrate to Eretz Israel en masse. From a more secular standpoint, many Jews feared that a Jewish state would make Jews more vulnerable, because it exposes them as potential agents of a foreign government - which of course was proven true by the Lavon Affair and many other such cases.
+--- 14934169
+>>14933688
+you find a Jew inside some communist movement
+No, you disingenuous fuck, I'm pointing out the vast overrepresentation of Jews in Communism throughout the world, including by obscenely rich Jews who would have to fear being the prime targets of the murderous Communist revolutionaries if Communism were actually the racially egalitarian worker's movement it purports to be.
+This enormous involvement in Communism is an easily proven historical fact that is also acknowledged by many Jews (such as Theodor Hertzl in his book Der Judenstaat) and Judeophiles such as Winston Churchill, who wrote this article about it:
+https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism
+
+The fact that the death penalty was administered to people who sought to defend themselves against Jewish aggression shows that it's perfectly in line with the Noahide Laws, the violation of which by any non-Jew carries the death penalty. This is discussed in the Talmud, tractate Sanhedrin, around folios 57 through 59, and many other places throughout the Talmud and other works relevant to Jewish religious law.
+--- 14934179
+>>14933688
+But I'm curious, how do you square your naive idea that the Jewish Communists were all true believers in anti-racism and workers' rights and all that jazz with the fact that the revolutions in Russia and China were supported by super wealthy bankers like Olof Aschberg, Israel Lazarevich Gelfand, Meir Henoch Wallach and Goldman Sachs; all of whom were Jews?
+What's more likely, that these highly intelligent wealrhy bankers financed movements that were against their own self-interest out of some kind of altruistic love for the Communist ideals, or that the non-Jewish Communists were just useful idiots who played right into the hands of self-interested Jews?
+I'm sure even you will acknowledge that the German government escorted Lenin into Russia not because of they were feeling such empathy for the plight of the Russian workers, but because they wanted to harm Russia. So why not acknowledge this simple fact when it's Jewish elites using these tactics instead of German elites? (apart from that, it was actually a Jew who convinced the German government to send Lenin to Russia)
+
+What do you make of all the Jewish Trotskyites like Irving Kristol, who suddenly changed hats and became "neo-conservatives" and advocated non-stop for wars against Israel's geopolitical enemies such as Iraq? To me it's obvious that they never gave a rat's ass about either "helping the workers" or "defending conservative values," they just see these ideologies as convenient vehicles to gain power and make useful idiots like you do the dirty work for them.
+--- 14934591
+>>14934169
+>>14934179
+>there are Jewish people within communist government
+>this means communism is actually a secret Jewish supremacist ideology
+This is what your entire argument is and it’s retarded. 
+
+You also haven’t explained how the Bund movement was anti Zionist, yet communism is supposedly Jewish supremacy.
+--- 14934671
+>>14933820
+actually it does simply by rejecting the racist metanarrative in favor of the Marxian class based metanarrative
+--- 14934683
+>>14934591
+You haven't answered a single one of my questions, subhuman. You just went right back to falsifying what I said and ignorung all the points about Communism's support by Jewish bankers and the German government.
+I'll take that as a tacit admission that you don't have any answers to them.
+
+>You also haven’t explained how the Bund movement was anti Zionist, yet communism is supposedly Jewish supremacy.
+I have pointed out in >>14934164 in so many words that it is a retarded question, asked by a retarded person.
+There is no inherent contradiction in being antizionist and being a Jewish supremacist, especially not during a time when Israel did not even exist yet.
+Satmar Hasidim are just about the most supremacist Jews in existence, and they're against the state of Israel even to this day.
+--- 14934689
+>>14934671
+right, unless the race in question is deemed "reactionary"
+--- 14934728
+>>14934689
+That's simply a personal opinion of Engels.
+--- 14934768
+>>14933109
+Why are they like this?
+--- 14934775
+>>14934689
+I like how both the commies and nazis hated slavs, makes sense.
+--- 14934793
+>>14934775
+Slavs basically did more damage to the communist ideology than any other thing, I'm surprised they aren't considered prime enemies.
+--- 14934804
+>>14934683
+>You haven't answered a single one of my questions, subhuman. 
+What question faggot? You just kept green texting the same thing over and over again like a retard. Learn how to communicate, just ask a question and then respond to mine. 
+
+You were strawmanning by saying the bund had “some anti Zionist memebers” when the whole thing was based around that, and saying that the Jewish autonomous region was bigger than the German one means anything is a retarded point and you know it.
+--- 14934829
+>>14934689
+>magyars 
+>retained their vitality
+Here's your magyar struggle bro. What an embarrassment of a country.
+--- 14934929
+>>14934804
+>What question faggot?
+There's a total of four question marks in >>14934179 ut given that you have already abundantly proven that youpre indeed a subhuman, I'm not surprised that you can't read. I wouldn't expect a three-year-old to be able to read either. 
+>You just kept green texting
+I know it's hard for you to wrap your pitiful mind around this kind of thing, but you've been talking to more than one person.
+--- 14935722
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Marx is the anti-lenin.
+--- 14935755
+>>14934768
+It's the thing with positivist ideologies, as it is purely idealist it's basis can be easily questioned by the next philosopher and branded as deviations or bastardizations of the "purer" ideology
+--- 14935887
+>>14933094 (OP)
+Marx would be horrified on two accounts:
+First, that some Slavic retard would try to force his dialectic in a non-industrial society
+Second, that the revolution would require a vanguard to 'properly educate the proletariat' on why the extreme measures were necessary.
+Lenin really bent a lot of Marxs ideas and rules to make his system work when Marx expected it to be a bunch of angry mill workers in Wales or Hamburg saying enough is enough and changing the rules
+--- 14935894
+>>14933166
+Cottage industry integrated into a market economy. Trying to play these word games between Communism and communism/communalism is tiring.
+--- 14935896
+>>14933550
+Based.
+--- 14936175
+>>14935887
+Why is it that the group Marx actually thought would do the revolution is never the one doing the revolutions?

his/14933138.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933138
+You can legally bed the woman your brother marries (Genesis 38:8)
+--- 14933454
+>>14933138 (OP)
+Only if he dies without having kids
+And you have to give her a kid, who will be legally your brother's son
+If you pull out god will be angry, he might even strike you down depending on how important your bloodline is
+--- 14933467
+how many threads are you going to spam?
+--- 14933473
+What is the contradiction?
+--- 14933553
+>>14933138 (OP)
+God is a retarded disgusting lying tranny who tries to claim ownership of every woman with hair color darker than red or blonde through his disgusting self-insert rural retard character and he claims every remotely dark haired woman is the property of his disgusting self-insert retard and accuses me of "adultery" if I'm attracted to any woman with hair color darker than red or blonde because he claims they're all the wife of his retarded disgusting rural retard self-insert. God is the most putrid, retarded, evil deranged faggot that could have ever possibly existed. It would have been impossible for a more disgusting, retarded faggot to emerge from the immaterial world than God.
+--- 14933597
+>>14933473
+It’s a catch 22 because of your brother married a transgender then you would have to sleep with it in accordance to live by Gods law as put down in Genesis or else you wouldn’t be a true Christian. If you refuse you either have to admit you are repulsed by transgenders or else that you find some of Gods laws to be completely stupid and asinine. There is no way to answer that one if your brother is a homo.
+--- 14933616
+>>14933138 (OP)
+>You can legally bed the woman your brother marries (Genesis 38:8)
+this has been the center of jewish culture for 5,000 years
+--- 14933638
+>>14933616
+The funny thing is that if this were your brothers wife you would still be obliged to bed it by the strictest view of this verse.
+--- 14933650
+>>14933638
+what a yenta
+--- 14934716
+>>14933597
+That would not be a holly matrimony, therefore the mariage would not count in Gods eyes, so you wouldnt have to sleep with it
+--- 14934786
+>>14933473
+No one cares about your opinion retard.
+--- 14934835
+>>14933597
+>>14934716
+>>14933638
+The marriage is supposed to continue your brother's bloodline
+Troons can't have kids anyway, and my brother's marriage is invalid
+--- 14935223
+>>14934716
+It is considered holy matrimony in the United ZOG states of Amerikkka.
+--- 14935228
+>>14934716
+But for real though, there are transgender Catholics here in the US. This country is all kinds of fucked.
+--- 14935237
+>>14933138 (OP)
+And that’s a contradiction how?
+--- 14935238
+>>14935237
+See >>14933597
+It’s a catch 22 if you are repulsed by your brothers wife yet claim to love God and to follow all of his laws.
+--- 14935251
+>>14935237
+It’s something very simple that is in the Bible which you can point to for Christians to start doubting because most people are probably repulsed by their siblings’ spouses and they would be disgusted with sleeping with them. It’s something crazy in the Bible you can point to and go “see how stupid this is. YOU believe this”
+--- 14935260
+>>14935251
+But not a contradiction right?
+--- 14935294
+>>14935260
+It’s a “contradiction” in the sense that it is something which most devout Christians nowadays would scoff at the idea of even doing even though it is a rule in their own holy book.
+>>14935263
+I’m talking about Catholics who consider mtf to be women yet would not carry biblical passages to their literal conclusion. You’ve likely never met those kind because they don’t post on here. They’re the kind you see in Tik Tok Pastor videos.
+--- 14935453
+>>14935294
+So not a contradiction
+--- 14936639
+>>14935453
+It's an ethical contradiction. It contradicts the worldview of modern "christians" who don't live by the word. It is NOT an internal contradiction of the text.
+--- 14936642
+>>14936639
+>the text
+Right, the bible
+So it's not a bible contradiction
+--- 14936647
+>>14936642
+Actually it does contradict the Bible too now that you mention it.
+
+>Leviticus 20:21
+"If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing...they shall be childless."
+
+Genesis 38:8
+>Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”
+--- 14936649
+>>14936647
+Is a widow a wife?
+--- 14936650
+>>14936649
+Brothers wife is used in both quotes.
+--- 14936652
+CONTEXT

his/14933141.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933141
+Umayyad, bro?
+--- 14933287
+Nope
+خلافة قرطبة
+--- 14933319
+>>14933141 (OP)
+>UmaUmayyad, b-Ack!
+--- 14933342
+>Possess a mighty empire, stretching from Spain to Iran.
+>Empire collapses after overextending itself.
+>Remain a shithole for the next 1000 years.
+You'd think they would be more foresighted and spend some of that plundered wealth on enriching their homelands.
+--- 14933348
+>>14933342
+>What are Abbasids 
+>What are Fatimids
+Nice cope
+--- 14933361
+>>14933348
+Abbasids and Fatimids were the rump states of the Umayyad caliphate. The latter of which held back any development, and whilst the former tried their best until they got their shit kicked in by the Buyids. You can't argue against the fact that Arabia remained a sandy shithole for past 1000 years.
+--- 14933384
+>>14933361
+>Abbasids and Fatimids were the rump states of the Umayyad caliphate.
+Bigger doesnt mean better. Islamic golden aged peak during the Abbasids. It's not about hoarding shitholes.
+>You can't argue against the fact that Arabia remained a sandy shithole for past 1000 years.
+Yes,after the Mongols annihilated everything. But that doesn't mean Arabia became a shithole instantly after the fall of Umayyads or Umayyads failed exceptionally.
+--- 14933397
+>>14933384
+Okay, so aside from the Mongols and Ottomans, what other factors do you think caused Arabia to be so poor?
+--- 14933427
+>>14933361
+Buyids were more accomplished than the Abbasids.
+--- 14933876
+>>14933397
+The Mongols are one good reason why Arabia would be outpaced by the Kingdom of France
+--- 14933907
+>>14933876
+>Arabia 
+You mean Muslim? Mongols only conquered the Iraqi part of Arabia. They couldn't make anymore inroads into Arabia than that due to mamlukes.
+--- 14934047
+Not like this...
+--- 14934307
+>>14933141 (OP)
+>>14933458
+>Around 746, Abu Muslim assumed leadership of the Hashimiyya in Khurasan. In 747, he successfully initiated an open revolt against Umayyad rule, which was carried out under the sign of the black flag. He soon established control of Khurasan, expelling its Umayyad governor, Nasr ibn Sayyar, and dispatched an army westwards. Kufa fell to the Hashimiyya in 749, the last Umayyad stronghold in Iraq, Wasit, was placed under siege, and in November of the same year Abul Abbas as-Saffah was recognized as the new caliph in the mosque at Kufa.
+>At this point Marwan mobilized his troops from Harran and advanced toward Iraq. In January 750 the two forces met in the Battle of the Zab, and the Umayyads were defeated. Damascus fell to the Abbasids in April, and in August, Marwan was killed in Egypt.
+>Some Umayyads in Syria continued to resist the takeover. The Umayyad princes Abu Muhammad al-Sufyani, al-Abbas ibn Muhammad, and Hashim ibn Yazid launched revolts in Syria and the Islamic–Byzantine frontier around late 750, but they were defeated.
+>The victors desecrated the tombs of the Umayyads in Syria, sparing only that of Umar II, and most of the remaining members of the Umayyad family were tracked down and killed. >When Abbasids declared amnesty for members of the Umayyad family, eighty gathered to receive pardons, and all were massacred. One grandson of Hisham, Abd al-Rahman I, survived, escaped across North Africa, and established an emirate in Moorish Iberia (Al-Andalus). In a claim unrecognized outside of al-Andalus, he maintained that the Umayyad Caliphate, the true, authentic caliphate, more legitimate than the Abbasids, was continued through him in Córdoba. It was to survive for centuries.
+--- 14934315
+>>14934307
+>Some Umayyads also survived in Syria, and their descendants would once more attempt to restore their old regime during the Fourth Fitna. Two Umayyads, Abu al-Umaytir al-Sufyani and Maslama ibn Ya'qub, successively seized control of Damascus from 811 to 813, and declared themselves caliphs. However, their rebellions were suppressed.
+>Previté-Orton argues that the reason for the decline of the Umayyads was the rapid expansion of Islam. During the Umayyad period, mass conversions brought Persians, Berbers, Copts, and Aramaic to Islam. These mawalis (clients) were often better educated and more civilised than their Arab overlords. The new converts, on the basis of equality of all Muslims, transformed the political landscape. Previté-Orton also argues that the feud between Syria and Iraq further weakened the empire.
+>"Iraqi (Arabs)" are smarter though
+lol, lmao even
+--- 14934347
+>>14934315
+Faroook cope. Iraqis have higher IQ than Iranians when both are evaluated by neutral sources.Thats why your empire got so gloriously cucked.
+--- 14934712
+>>14934347
+>Iraqis have a higher IQ
+They don't considering all Arab diasporas in Western countries have a much higher dropout rate in high schools and secondary post education (colleges, universities, etc...) and as a demographic, have much lower affluence. If you think your "neutral" source is some retarded IQ test from 1948 which went around targeting most of its sample size in rural Iran, then you are retarded but then again most Arabs have a legit IQ of 80 from inbreeding. In fact considering you are an Ayyrab yourself most likely, you'd know also malnutrition, insufficient proteins and vitamins for development will affect a preadolescent child's brain development and skew an IQ test.
+--- 14934725
+>>14934307
+>>14934315
+The Ummayads fell due to their conflict with the House of Ali and the extended house of Hashim. The Abbasids became leaders of a sect formed during the second fitna by Mukhtar al Thaqafi
+--- 14934729
+>>14934712
+>All this Rook cope for getting conquered by Chaddams years ago 
+Dont Rooks have the smallest peens in Asia too after Mongoloids lol
+>If you think your "neutral" source is some retarded IQ test from 1948 which went around targeting most of its sample size in rural Iran
+He also scored Iraq using these metrics and my shock when I realise that Rook want to discount sources that are before the times Iraq got zogged.
+>In fact considering you are an Ayyrab yourself most likely, you'd know also malnutrition, insufficient proteins and vitamins for development will affect a preadolescent child's brain development and skew an IQ test.
+Gulf Arabs can buy your entire family you literal lentil muncher. You can only feel superior to countries torn to shreds by Zog. Keep coping all you want and Iran will never be Kuffar again.
+--- 14934741
+>>14934725
+And I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads.
+>>14934729
+>no argument
+>obsessed with dicks
+Typical Arab schizophrenic. Can you explain why in a neutral enviroment (western countries/first world) why Arabs fail at the same standards of secondary and post-secondary education and income?
+Cool.
+--- 14934744
+Why did the Arabs waste manpower and time going west when the east was richer. If they had just LARPed as Alexander they could have gone all the way to conquer India and maybe even china. Talas is proof no one in the east could have stopped them.
+--- 14934755
+>>14934741
+>And I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads. 
+What did they get as price? More Arab rule? More of a reason to bow to their Arab prophet? Nice cucks.
+>Can you explain why in a neutral enviroment (western countries/first world) why Arabs fail at the same standards of secondary and post-secondary education and income? 
+Maybe because it was uppity well off rooks who fled Iran after Shah's take over while most Iraqi refugees are a product of active war.
+--- 14934761
+>>14934744
+>Talas is proof no one in the east could have stopped them.
+Except Chinese did stop them... their conflict with Arabs didn't stop after Talas. They also invaded India but couldn't have any significant success.
+--- 14934774
+>>14934347
+Arab loser cope, Iraq is a bitch, satellite state of Iran, arabs truly are incompetent, couldn't even defeat Iran in the 80s KEK
+--- 14934789
+>>14934755
+Yet all arab states are shitholes with inbreeding and subhuman tier IQ and a simple state like Iraq couldn't even defeat Iran in its most weakened state, absolutely pathetic. My uncle personally executed mutiple Iraqis :))
+--- 14934792
+>>14934774
+>satellite state of Iran
+Do Rooks really? Is that why Soleimani died got popped in his satellite state? Did you blow up your plane in the honour of this feat?
+>couldn't even defeat Iran in the 80s KEK
+Hard to defeat hordes of child soldier on Rook propaganda with bombs strapped on them.
+--- 14934807
+>>14934789
+>Yet all arab states are shitholes with inbreeding and subhuman tier IQ and a simple state
+Iraq has higher IQ than Iran.Rest of the arab countries except Yemen have IQs around Iran. Inbreeding is not much better in Iraq either.
+>My uncle personally executed mutiple Iraqis :))
+And my dad works for the CEO of Islam who asked America to bomb Soleimani :p
+--- 14934869
+>>14934849
+>That pic 
+Now watch it disappear into thin air!
+>Backing of all arab and western states, yet still lost the war and 500k dead a*ab subhumans
+Muh backing! Atleast Iraqis didn't send hordes of literal children to get cut down by gunfire. The war was stalemate anyways. So its still 1-0 little Rook.
+--- 14934887
+>>14934755
+>can't give a refutation still
+Ah okay despite Iranians having historically much higher prejuice and discrimination against them vs Arabs, that must be the reason why Iranians are generally better educated, smarter, and far wealthier vs Arabs in western countries? Gotcha.
+>>14934869
+A Persian was literally the man who orchestrated the complete collapse of the Umayyads, direct successors of the Rashidun Caliphate. How poetic.
+--- 14934891
+>>14934741
+>And I mean the main military force of the Abbasids were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims (Mawlis) were Persians which overthrew the Umayyads.
+Thats a persian nationalist myth. The Army was formed by khorasani arabs and Persians. I suggest you delve deeper into the subject.
+--- 14934894
+>>14934891
+Not true remotely. Vast majority of the mawli were non-Arabs and non-Arab Muslims, and Arabs at no point in history ever constituted the "majority" of the sedentary or military aged population the Abbasids drew from in Iranian Khorosan (eastern Iran, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, etc...) at all at even the highest point of Arab colonies being set up in the late 7th to mid 8th centuries.
+--- 14934903
+>>14934869
+A persian slave literally KO your pathetic Umar, hahah pathetic a*ab
+--- 14934915
+>>14934887
+>>14934903
+>We chimped out like niggers and collapsed something as if we didn't live under centuries more of Arab boot 
+Bravo!
+--- 14934973
+>>14934903
+>Most sucessful Persian strike against Islam was a seething slave that stabbed an old man in the back then committed suicide
+--- 14934995
+>>14934849
+>yet still lost the war
+Losing the war is when your pedo supreme leader compares accepting a peace settlement to drinking a cup of poison after 90% of your territorial gains taken over nearly a decade get rolled over in less then a month
+
+>500k dead
+Independent observers say Iraq lost around 150K while Iran lost upwards of a Million jej
+
+>absolutely garbage in all forms of warfare
+Your top general got turned into kebab and your "revenge" was spazzing out and shooting down one of your own airliners. Literally Africa tier
+--- 14935000
+>>14933397
+have you maybe looked into the possibility of it being poor because its a literal desert shithole? 
+>but what about the levant and iraq
+unironically decadence, western intervention, and overreliance on oil in iraq's case
+--- 14935003
+>>14934887
+>Rebel against the Arab Caliphate
+>It's in service of another Arab caliph, one with a stronger claim to the throne and direct descent from Muhammed
+>Get executed the minute the rebellion ends
+>Iran is still 99% Muslim
+--- 14935017
+>>14933141 (OP)
+The Ummayads worst mistake was creating the conditions necessary to allow the Abbasids to take power, then get cucked by Turks and Persians desu. The Rashudin were all majoosi murder all day therefore they are the superior caliphate
+--- 14935033
+>>14935000
+Pretty much lol. With the exception of Yemen and some trading areas like Oman and the red sea coast, the entire region has been poor and sparsely populated forever. Nobody lives there, nobody cares enough about developing it until the Saudis came around (because urbanizing the Bedou was the only way to keep control). Asking why Arabia is poor and underdeveloped is like asking why Siberia is poor and underdeveloped.
+--- 14935353
+>>14935003
+>the minute it ends
+There was like 5-6+ years between Abu-Muslim Khorosani completely destroying the Umayyad forces in Khorosan and the surviving members of the family who weren't slaughtered after the Abbasids won and his death.
+>>14934915
+>chimpout
+>Umayyads are the ones who put into place the policies of preventing non-Arab converts to Islam
+>increasing taxations and fees on non-Muslims
+>increasing slaves in Mesoptamia to the point of the infamous Zanj revolt due to the influx of mass chattel slavery they were dependent on in Basra's ports
+>u chimped out
+Retard
+--- 14935495
+>>14934995
+>Independent observers
+Source or your full of shit.
+--- 14935576
+>>14935495
+Pierre Razoux. He was there on the ground for the entire war, documented Saddam's worst atrocities and wrote probably the best book on the topic. A Euro so he had no reason to be partial to either side. Might be above your reading level though
+--- 14935598
+>>14934347
+Iraq is iranian vassal ruled by iran for 2000 years
+--- 14935621
+>>14935576
+>Pierre Razoux.
+>as Euro
+>French
+Discarded.
+--- 14935816
+>>14935003
+Ali may as well be Iranian at this point. He's been the equivalent of ardashir or any other founding figure for iranian kingdoms Ppost 651

his/14933169.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933169
+If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it? Isn't it a little strange that all the biggest enemies of Islam over the centuries never thought to use this as ammunition towards their claims that he was a false prophet? 
+
+Then suddenly a bunch of English nationalists come along in the mid 2000s and start saying it as a matter of fact and harassing the Muslims with it.
+
+Do these British Christians in 2023 waving Enoch Powell quotes around think they know Muhammad more than those who lived in his time and those who preceded him?
+--- 14933177
+because for 99% of history we understood that pedophilia is natural and healthy
+--- 14933186
+And how in the fuck would his enemies know he was into banging literal nine-year-olds? By fraternizing over some tea? Retard. They were too busy trying to kill each other. And even if they did know, of what use would that intel even merit? His own followers were completely fine with that abhorrent fact.
+
+Also, are you doubting your own Sahih hadiths? Muslims and being ashamed of their own prophet: name a better duo.
+--- 14933276
+>>14933177
+THIS
+
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_brides#
+
+
+For example, search for cartoons about priest having sex from a century ago and nowadays.
+--- 14933280
+>>14933169 (OP)
+> If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it?
+Because it wasn’t taboo at the time
+--- 14933305
+>>14933169 (OP)
+>If Muhammad was a pedophile why did none of his enemies think to mention it?
+Because his enemies were also pedos. 
+It was a pedo time in a pedo region. Nevertheless, if Mohammed is supposed to be a timeless moral exemplar, moral relativism isn't a viable defense of his behaviour.
+--- 14933326
+In the past, there really wasn't the same debate around this issue. Debauching young girls was considered wrong since it could ruin their lives (unwanted pregnancy, poor marriage prospects), but this was somewhat a separate issue from the question of the right age of marriage. In most societies, they had a sort of common-sense approach, it wasn't legislated, just understood in the same way as any other social norm. A girl was ready to be married when she could reasonably bear children and do housework, and this was usually obvious just from looking at her.
+
+Obviously in the past, sodomy was considered sinful regardless of age, and sodomising young boys was simply more heinous because of their innocence. This is why very young boys were usually not executed if discovered by the authorities, because it was usually assumed that a corrupting, older pederast had led them into the sin.
+--- 14933351
+>>14933169 (OP)
+They were like bandits and raiders in the beginning, they killed innocent people all the time.
+--- 14933355
+>>14933326
+>Obviously in the past, sodomy was considered sinful regardless of age
+Most Muslim societies didn’t care until very recently
+--- 14933371
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Because even mudslimes rarely read their hadith and sirat, you retardditor.
+--- 14933372
+>>14933169 (OP)
+muhammad didnt deal with his enemies by debating them and claiming to be morally superior like christians; he would simply draw the sword instead. so the whole "was our prophet REALLY a good and perfect person?" discussion was never allowed to happen in the first place, at least for as long as his followers held a monopoly on violence.
+--- 14933391
+>>14933276
+>child brides
+>16-17
+Why are prudes like this?
+--- 14933392
+>>14933355
+>Elites being degenerates fags means noone minded faggotry
+Lol
+--- 14933398
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Do you know what the word "pedophile" means?
+--- 14933400
+>>14933391
+Prude is compliment when you realise that only pedo,coomers and faggot trannies use it anymore.
+--- 14933404
+>>14933392
+muh elites muh elites
+Stop projecting your American neuroticism about 21st century liberals into the past. historically it’s the middle classes that are moralfags, working class don’t care about sodomy
+--- 14933410
+>>14933169 (OP)
+In many cultures, it has been accepted that you became a woman when you had your first period. I believe the age of adulthood started to be delayed to what's accepted now around the 19th century.
+--- 14933420
+>>14933400
+>>Prude is compliment when you realise that only pedo,coomers and faggot trannies use it anymore.
+
+>>coomers
+Fuck off, tradcuck you faggots call anyone who likes sex, masturbation, or anything related to them, that. Go back to bible class and leave the rest of us alone.
+--- 14933421
+>>14933404
+>muh elites muh elites 
+Not an argument 
+>Stop projecting your American neuroticism about 21st century liberals into the past.
+Nice buzzwords 
+>working class don’t care about sodomy
+Imagine believing that. The poorer you are the more you are likely to hate faggots. The poorest countries are most hostile to fags.
+--- 14933428
+>>14933420
+>tradcuck you faggots call anyone who likes sex, masturbation, or anything related to them
+Dumb animals ruining society. It was good times when scum like you used to die of aids.
+--- 14933431
+>>14933421
+>The poorest countries are most hostile to fags.
+Only cause of western cuckoldry
+--- 14933464
+>>14933400
+Do you think a 17 year old is a child?
+--- 14933481
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Can someone give me a fact check on why Mo' didn't ever marry a young girl so I can pwn some chuds?
+--- 14933493
+>>14933431
+Nice deflection. I am sure you could freely be a faggot in mediaeval Ethopia or Yemen lmao 
+>>14933464
+Must draw a line somewhere
+--- 14933504
+>>14933493
+17 years + 364 days = child incapable of discernment ∴ woodchipper
+17 years +365 days = fully consenting adult ∴ get in line, boys
+--- 14933508
+>>14933504
+Sorry but we have morals to uphold. You can wait a day more.
+--- 14933512
+>>14933428
+Piss off tradcuck, you are obnoxious and your prudishness is boring.
+--- 14933517
+>>14933512
+Take a shower you coomer sack of shit.
+--- 14933530
+>>14933464
+>>14933504
+This isn't about 17 year-olds. This is about someone(a major world religious figure, specifically) fucking a 9 year-old.
+
+>>14933493
+>>14933508
+Most of the industrialized world has the age of consent at one or two years below 18 dude.
+--- 14933539
+>>14933517
+I already did, masturbating and/or fucking in the shower is really fun, you should try it sometime.
+--- 14933540
+Reminder
+--- 14933559
+>>14933530
+>Most of the industrialized world has the age of consent at one or two years below 18 dude.
+There is still a line to draw.I would rather have people wait 2 years.
+--- 14933564
+>>14933539
+>Coomer only showers when he wants to fap
+Thats either a lot of showers or very few. Going to be almost none anyways.
+--- 14933566
+>>14933276
+This. OP is a retarded zoomer faggot
+--- 14933581
+>>14933559
+My point is the insistence on 18 is retarded. Even within the US individual states typically have the line set one or two years before 18, and more importantly this is about someone fucking a 9 year-old. An act that is completely immoral by any sane standard.
+
+>>14933564
+>>a tradcon social outcast who likely doesn't shower himself is accusing others of not showering.
+
+Pot meet kettle, I guess.
+--- 14933586
+>>14933410
+>the age of adulthood started to be delayed to what's accepted now around the 19th century.
+What I was talking about >>14933540
+--- 14933608
+>>14933410
+It is true that Muslims (and Jews too, historically) have tended to marry their women off younger than Europeans, and still do. And this is something that was remarked on, for centuries.
+
+But because the whole post-19th century feminist debate about pedos wasn't as established yet, this wasn't used by Westerners as a line of attack against Muslims until relatively recently.
+
+(The perceived misogyny in general of Muslims definitely was, though. Western men have had a fantasy of liberating Arab and Muslim women from their cruel masters for a long time, and it was a common trope in 18th and 19th century European literature and art: The brave and manly, but also handsome and charming European enters the forbidden inner sanctum of the Moslem hareem to rescue women and girls who no doubt are endlessly grateful to their liberator and aren't shy about showing it through their sensual actions.)
+--- 14933618
+>>14933608
+>It is true that Muslims (and Jews too, historically) have tended to marry their women off younger than Europeans, and still do. And this is something that was remarked on, for centuries.
+What are some sources for this? I would love to see some examples of Europeans during the early Islamic period criticizing Islam for this.
+--- 14933622
+>>14933428
+Reminder that being asexual makes you a member of the LGBTQIA+.
+--- 14933636
+>>14933622
+And hating spiders make you want to fuck them.
+--- 14933674
+Assuming Muhammed was either not a pedophile or he was a lolicon and thats awesome; he still gives no cause for believing in his word
+> no well recorded and attested miraclous deed
+> no testable evidence for his God or his prophethood
+> weird autistic shit like doing a ritual five times a day in a certain pattern
+> obvious grifting for example giving himself more wives than need be
+> self aggrandizing like having his friends boast about his sexual prowess
+Arabs are a funny folk. Sure, they fucked up the Greeks, Germans, Armenians, and Iranians among others; and they attribute their success to Mohamed's teachings. But then they get fucked by Turks, Mongols, Spaniards, Portugese, Dutchmen, Frenchmen, and Englishmen for centuries and now by Americans and Russians and Jews; yet it never crosses their minds that maybe their God aint real because begging him for aid in war hasnt been helping much in a thousand years
+--- 14933691
+>>14933674
+The Islamic world has been emboldened by their victories over the US
+--- 14933704
+>>14933169 (OP)
+>Then suddenly a bunch of English nationalists come along in the mid 2000s and start saying it as a matter of fact and harassing the Muslims with it.
+Is that why Muslims themselves spent the 20th century developing a number of responses to it.
+There's too many to list:
+> If you look at the context of the time it was okay, I'm totally not a moral relativist btw.
+>The hadith in question said she was older than Sunnis had believed for over well over a thousand years. Isn't it amazing how we discovered this interpretation just as soon as this belief of ours became questionable.
+>It was just done out of political necessity.
+>That hadith was actually a forgery.
+>etc.
+At least the blatant pedophile apologists are at least not cowards, even if some of them are a little less than willing to defend it on a public forum.
+--- 14933710
+>>14933674
+One thing you'll find if you hang around Islamic communities is that they do not hold the Christian view of an all-merciful, all-loving deity. They will openly tell you that Allah can be wrathful and punishing and when something bad goes on in the Islamic world, they're satisfied enough with the explanation that they deserved it for whatever reason. That said, America has been a prominent enemy to much of the middle east, and they're currently sitting back watching American society circle the drain. To them, Allah is handling their enemies.
+--- 14933716
+>>14933608
+The trope of the Christian Knight whisking girl away from a Muslim King's hands is a trope going back to the Chanson de jest (song of fun) of the High Middle Ages. The Arabs created the culture of Knighthood that we call "chivalry" and the Europeans adopted it following their meetings in Iberia and Sicily
+> pic related is from the Maghrebi Manuscript showing a troubadour entertaining women in a harem in Muslim Iberia
+--- 14933733
+>>14933710
+> watching American society circle the drain
+Good thing she's not taking Islamic society with her!
+> pic related is a rave in Arabia
+--- 14933753
+>>14933733
+B-but the Gulf States are a meaningless exceptions even tough they are the wealthiest and most influential countries in the Islamic world!
+--- 14933757
+>>14933733
+>"rave"
+where the drugs tho? it isn't a rave without people slippin up on uppers and downers. i swear, zoomis these days, am i right?
+--- 14933791
+>>14933733
+Saudi Arabia has been hosting events for foreigners as of late to distract from criticism of their regime, notice that the women in your image are Asians
+--- 14933801
+>>14933791
+Your women spread their legs for white men all the time.
+--- 14933803
+>>14933791
+>tfw you're so trad and anti-liberal that you become a tourist destination for foreigners to party in.
+--- 14933811
+>>14933803
+Islamic law applies to Muslims, not kafir.
+--- 14933819
+>>14933801
+The only time a woman ever spread her legs for you was the day you were born.
+--- 14933825
+>>14933819
+I like prone bone anyways. Muslimas with fatasses are perfect for it.
+--- 14933863
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Although it was completely normal and uncontroversial at the time, you could reasonably use it at as point of criticism in the present day.
+From a religious perspective, the Qu'ran is a timeless text with every aspect of it intended to be unchanging and applicable for all of history, likewise Muhammad is percieved as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in, therefore changing morals and taboos could not be as a defense in this case.
+Thus one could see the Qu'ran as preaching that pedophilia is acceptable for Muslims even in present day society too.
+--- 14933878
+>>14933863
+Except Aisha's age is never mentioned in the Qu'ran.
+--- 14933882
+>>14933169 (OP)
+>>14933177
+>>14933276
+Pedophilia was never acceptable, in the west.
+--- 14933889
+>>14933878
+>likewise Muhammad is percieved as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in,
+But such relations are not condemned within the book, and your response fails to recognize that he also said this:
+> likewise Muhammad is perceived as an entirely perfect person of whom it is the aspiration of every Muslim to live exactly as he did no matter what century they live in,
+--- 14933893
+>>14933878
+The evidence is overwhelming that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl.
+--- 14933895
+>>14933882
+>Molested a free child 
+Pretty sure Greeks believed Chidlren could consent and they had different definition of a child.Also
+>FREE child
+--- 14933902
+>>14933889
+Are such relations explicitly condemned within the Bible? Aisha's alleged age only comes from outside sources, none of which are agreed upon within Islam. It's simply not mentioned at all in the Quran.
+--- 14933911
+>>14933878
+Regardless, in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in, she is said to be still be a child or young teenage upon marriage and consummation. 
+Most Muslims believe that those hadith are reliable and literally the word of Muhammad.
+--- 14933919
+>>14933893
+Sahih Muslim is a collection of hadith unrelated to the Quran. Islamic scholars have been questioning the authenticity and relevance of hadith since literally the beginning.
+--- 14933925
+>>14933911
+>in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in
+source: extremely desperate kafir
+you should be more concerned with the rampant abuse going on in your public schools and religious institutions than with theology you know nothing about
+--- 14933927
+>>14933919
+Ok so why doesn't Quran make a point about Moham marrying an and railing a legal adult to make a point how ahead of time and good he was? Why doesnt Quran make any statement against Pedos?
+--- 14933935
+>>14933530
+>This isn't about 17 year-olds.
+I was referring to the wiki page about "child brides" where the majority of them were 16-17 years old.
+--- 14933945
+>>14933882
+Aeschines says anyone who rapes a freeborn child is put to death — but he himself, in that speech, says he had relationships with boys lmao
+--- 14933946
+>>14933508
+Or else?
+--- 14933953
+>>14933819
+Not even. He was C-sectioned.
+--- 14933964
+>>14933925
+>source: extremely desperate kafir
+Sahih Muslim is considered the 2nd most reliable collection of Hadith
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_Muslim
+
+>you should be more concerned with the rampant abuse going on in your public schools and religious institutions than with theology you know nothing about
+Do you dream about Aisha's breast milk?
+I heard that the companions of Muhammad were allowed to suckle her when thirsty.
+--- 14933967
+>>14933927
+Why would it need to make a point about the age of Aisha? If it was exceptional it would have been mentioned, all the more reason to believe she was of age. The Quran makes mention of treating children well and not harming them.
+--- 14933975
+>>14933967
+>Why would it need to make a point about the age of Aisha?
+Because it would be ahead of its time.
+>If it was exceptional it would have been mentioned, all the more reason to believe she was of age.
+Marrying perfectly legal adults by the modern definition wasn't the norm back then. 
+>The Quran makes mention of treating children well and not harming them.
+You can say about your wife too.
+--- 14933976
+>>14933710
+How would America circling the drain help the Arab w up pop oporld with their rampant incest and inbreeding rates and some of the lowest average IQs in the world? Arabs are experiencing the same genetic bottlenecking problems as Ashkenazi Jews, only on a much larger scale, and they don't have the intelligence to make up for their problems like Jews do.
+--- 14933977
+>>14933902
+I have no problem trashing the Bible for its extreme moral failings. As far as the outside sources are concerned, most Sunnis now and throughout history seem perfectly willing to accept them, and to still hold up Muhammad as the ideal man even after accepting them?
+>>14933911
+>Regardless, in Hadith that nearly all Muslims believe in,
+If my memory serves me right, the Shia have always believed that she was older. As lame as I think the attempts made by Sunnis to justify it or explain the problem away are, it is actually more complicated than you're making it out to be.
+--- 14933981
+>>14933935
+Alright fair enough, but this thread was originally about Muhammed fucking a nine year-old.
+--- 14933996
+>>14933964
+the point of hadith is that they are not fully reliable, some are more reliable than others (as you mention), many things in them are not deemed reliable and debate continues to this day over what is true and what cannot be true, including Aisha's age given contradictory accounts in various hadith (and no mention or hints of it in the Quran) 
+the Quran is what's infallible
+--- 14934006
+>>14933976
+anybody living in a nation where people cannot define what a woman is has no grounds to insult the IQ of literally any other nation
+--- 14934044
+>>14934006
+>Muh troons and fags 
+The raghead brownoids last line of defence. It would not reverse all the inbreeding Mohammad. Atleast troons solve half the problem themselves.
+--- 14934058
+>>14934044
+get back to me when you figure it out and when you solve your widespread abuse problem in schools and churches
+--- 14934064
+>>14934058
+>when you solve your widespread abuse problem in schools and churches
+Not noticing your problems doesn't mean they don't exist.
+--- 14934067
+>>14934064
+with the rampant islamophobia there would be constant headlines if Imams were caught in abuse scandals in the west, looks like it's a problem with your society, so fix it
+--- 14934080
+>>14934067
+>with the rampant islamophobia
+Oh no no no hahaha. Only 80iq Arap can believe this. Leftists do mental gymnastics to accomodate your savage kind into western society.
+>if Imams were caught in abuse scandals in the west
+How many Imams are even in the west? Look at your Pisslamic shitholes and gather the stats if you dare. Pakis are also the most notorious rapists in the west.
+--- 14934087
+>>14934067
+Muslims are barbaric savages that are treated with kid gloves by Western leftists. Islamophobia only exists in the delusional minds of sheep fuckers.
+--- 14934092
+Ah, whataboutism.
+
+The eternal friend of the islamic apologist.
+--- 14934098
+>>14934080
+>>14934087
+they furiously typed, after returning from the latest drag queen story time
+--- 14934099
+>>14934092
+Ah, hypocrisy. 
+
+The eternal nature of the westoid.
+--- 14934106
+>>14934098
+Worry about yourself Mohammad. Only Chernobyl tier radiation would be able to change your genepool by the time tranny take over of the west completes.
+--- 14934119
+>>14934106
+>westoid lecturing anybody else about genepool
+your genepool is so fucked that nearly everyone has to be heavily medicated all the time to ward off a wide array of mental issues and even with the meds they still think lgbwtfbbq+ is normal and should be celebrated
+--- 14934122
+>>14933691
+1 million+ dead shitskins vs a few thousand dead Yankees, pretty good ratio all things considering, arabs truly are subhuman animals
+--- 14934126
+>>14934122
+same cope you used after being humiliated by based rice farmers in vietnam, a loss is a loss fatso
+--- 14934128
+>>14934119
+We dont have an average IQ around 80s and declining. Much easier to come back from political brainrot than caveman tier brain. Good lucking chugging rocks at kikes.
+--- 14934130
+>>14934099
+Yeah, deflecting via accusations of supposed hypocrisy is how whataboutism works.
+
+And i'm not even a westerner, so seethe more with the barbaric mob system you call a "religion".
+--- 14934132
+>>14934128
+>implying your IQ is actually high when most of you cannot define a woman and believe that men can get pregnant
+as if we needed any proof that the numbers are falsified
+--- 14934140
+>>14934067
+>rampant islamophobia
+Delusional, whenever there is a terrorist incident mass media trips over itself to avoid "islamophobia", they also reduced coverage of the child rape gangs, upon your request, they wait on hand and foot for you.
+
+Do we have "islamophobia"? All we are doing is stating facts and logical arguments and explaining the immorality of your religion and your lack of ethics. There is little emotional about it, although there should be revulsion at your defense of literal child rape in a country that invited you here in good faith and pays your social welfare, I'm kind of desensitized to how fucked up the world is at this point.
+
+It is just a fact that brown people rape children at far higher rates than white people and you also have those low IQs. It's genetic. It's just one of those things. Sure, some of you are intelligent and not pedophiles, but what difference does it make if you possess racial hatred towards ethnic white Europeans? What a horrible mistake socialists/progressives and boomer hippies made believing you are equal and trusting you would come to share their same liberal cosmopolitan values.
+
+>>14934098
+It is the same people who bring their kids to drag queen story time that defend Islam. Boy are they going to be in for a surprise.
+--- 14934144
+>>14934132
+Even troon ideology is based on gigatons of mental gymnastics beyond muzzie cavebrain. It's good being stupid enough to not fall for psyops. 
+>>14934128
+*Chucking
+--- 14934204
+>>14934144
+>tfw too smart to not fall for psyops
+kek, absolute state of your cope
+--- 14934215
+>>14934140
+anon your own posted statistics show that the abuse is being done by westerners
+please use that high IQ you all keep claiming that you have
+--- 14934239
+>>14934140
+It's weird that your attempts to criticize Islam always circle back to racial autism. Islam is not a race and there are plenty of White people who are Islamic. The Quran specifically speaks out against racism.
+--- 14934253
+>>14934204
+Sad reality of this world like how animals never commit suicide. Still better than having declining IQ tho
+--- 14934270
+>>14934253
+your society increasingly buying into feminism, gender identity politics, liberalism in general all seem to speak to an IQ trend you'd rather not admit to
+--- 14934283
+>>14934270
+Talk to me about IQ when Durkas stop blowing themselves up and actually invent something.
+--- 14934294
+>>14934283
+Talk to me about IQ when westoids stop killing themselves, figure out how to breed above replacement levels, and stop inventing new genders
+--- 14934304
+>>14934294
+>Weak and mentally ill culling themselves is not a good thing
+Ok Durka
+--- 14934317
+>>14934304
+given the westoid rates of suicide, submission to feminism, and lgbwtfbbqsajdh+123 acceptance, your society must be majority weak and mentally ill at this point
+--- 14934367
+>>14934317
+Better have 100 men to rebuild from than billions of caveman.
+--- 14934378
+>>14933716
+Nope.
+Sicily didn't create chivalry.
+The kingdom of Sicily was possibly the most stereotypically chivalrous state to ever exist but it didn't create it.
+--- 14934383
+>>14933811
+>One of the strongest Islamic monarchies with Sharia law is a tourism whore for rich Westerner shekels.
+--- 14934455
+Allah could have revealed to Muhammad the potential damage Aisha would have experienced we're not discussing revealing the genome to desert nomad. At least the Christians have Mathew 18:6 unfortunately the Vatican did not take note
+--- 14934985
+>>14934239
+>Islam is not a race
+For the typical 4chaner race and religion is the same
+--- 14935087
+>>14933882
+its over
+--- 14935110
+>>14933169 (OP)
+>English nationalists
+sir please, they're basically liberals who just hate Islam because Muslims are mean to Jews and gays, and half of it is astroturfing by hardline Zionist Jews.
+Actual English nationalists like Patriotic Alternative don't care much about Islam one way or another, they just don't want all those Pakistanis and Arabs in their country.
+--- 14935125
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Because 
+1. Islam was a new religion
+2. Medieval Christianity didnt have full access to the Hadiths at that time, they were mostly exclusive to the Islamic World
+3. Medieval Christianity did not give a shit about the Hadiths or Muhammad beyond the fact his religion was just their religion but plus him
+4. Muhammad died before the Islamic Conquest of the Levant/Egypt so the Byzantines didnt care about him
+--- 14935126
+>>14934239
+Judaism teaches that Christianity is the religion of the descendants of Esau, Islam the religion of the Ishmaelites, and Judaism of the descendants of Jacob.
+
+So of course it's a racial issue, and if you disagree you're anti-semitic.
+--- 14935141
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Stop spreading disinformation you ignorant nigger. Aisha was not 6/9, it's your blind adherence to false traditions that ruin the reputation of your religion.
+--- 14935249
+>>14933919
+What does "sahih" mean?
+--- 14935536
+>>14935141
+If, if, if, if, Aisha was 6/9 would it falsify Islam?
+--- 14935565
+>>14933169 (OP)
+This is a sensitive and controversial topic that has been the subject of much debate and discussion. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was married to Aisha, who was six years old at the time of their engagement and nine years old at the time of their marriage. It is important to note that at the time, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age in many societies, and the marriage was consummated when Aisha was deemed physically mature.
+
+However, it is important to understand that the context and cultural norms of that time were different from those of today, and it is not appropriate to judge the actions of people from the past based on modern standards. It is also worth noting that the Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was not a unique or isolated case, as many other notable figures in history, including kings and religious leaders, have married young girls.
+
+Regardless, it is important to approach the topic with sensitivity and respect, and to avoid making sweeping generalizations or inflammatory statements. It is always better to seek information and understanding through respectful discourse and dialogue.
+Regenerate response
+--- 14935585
+>>14933169 (OP)
+
+mohammed was a pedophile and pedophilia was normal back then, but momo is a timeless rolemodel. see the issue?
+--- 14935612
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Muhammed didn't exist.
+--- 14935637
+>>14933372
+>by debating them and claiming to be morally superior like christians
+sure thing, buddy
+--- 14935655
+>>14933169 (OP)
+>why did none of his enemies think to mention it?
+because everyone was a pedo back then you dumbass. For the record, there's nothing wrong with pedophilia.
+--- 14935701
+>>14935536
+No but it would make it a terrible religion
+--- 14935708
+>>14933169 (OP)
+his enemies were desert warlords too
+--- 14935716
+>>14935701
+>terrible
+What you mean, that you personally is in opposition to God? 
+Either the claims of Islam is true or they are not
+--- 14936643
+>>14935249
+It literally means "Correct" but that would be a rough literal translation. Sahih Muslim basically means "Muslim's collection of 'correct' hadiths" Muslim is the name of the imam who collected them, correct hadith is a saying that most definitely linked properly to the prophet, by checking 'isnad' (chain of narrations) and 'matn' (the saying, or action done by prophet himself). It's a complicated process which many scholars disagree on, and I cannot summarize it properly in English unfortunately.
+--- 14936736
+>>14933428
+>It was good times when scum like you used to die of aids.
+I only have sex with women and I never use IV drugs so I would never get AIDS, faggot
+--- 14936752
+>>14933977
+>If my memory serves me right, the Shia have always believed that she was older. As lame as I think the attempts made by Sunnis to justify it or explain the problem away are, it is actually more complicated than you're making it out to be.
+making her age lower fought shia claims that she was a whore. They probably didnt think about people 100 years later crying about pedos
+--- 14936768
+>>14933169 (OP)
+Your prophet was literally a pedo m8
+--- 14936806
+>>14935126
+Armilius is a 6th-century legend about Heraclius idk what he is about.

his/14933215.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,77 @@
+-----
+--- 14933215
+Are there any REAL neopagan religions that start entirely from scratch instead of just being white fags larping as pre-Christian Greeks or Swedes? Creating purely new myths to explain reality, a new cosmogeny?
+--- 14933223
+>>14933215 (OP)
+Wicca is one
+--- 14933231
+>>14933223
+Nope, Crowley just ripped off Celtic and Germanic shit.
+--- 14933251
+>>14933215 (OP)
+You’ve got completely the wrong idea of how religions form. Nobody just makes up new myths and cosmologies. Myths and cosmologies are based on real events and experiences. Nobody would worship one of your fictional gods, because they don’t actually exist. Nearly every pagan deity does exist. These are real entities that can be interacted with and that can exert their influence on us. Even Christians don’t deny this, they just call them “demons.”
+--- 14933306
+There was dumb shit like theosophy but it was also monotheistic because muh christianity so meh.
+--- 14933444
+>>14933251
+>Nobody would worship one of your fictional gods, because they don’t actually exist
+The fucking sun.
+--- 14933526
+>>14933444
+Buddy, the sun is real. You just haven’t been outside in years.
+--- 14933532
+>>14933231
+Wicca wasnt Crowleys creation. It was that pervert nudist Gardener's. 
+Crowley did Thelema which was more focused around more Eastern practicies from Egypt and Biblical peoples. Staying in a dark room eating nothing but bread and water praying to beelzebub or some demon of Solomon is not celtic or germanic. Dont think he ever references either. Wrote more about how he liked to smell the flatulents of some bitch.
+--- 14933545
+>>14933231
+Crowley didn't invent Wicca, Gerald Gardner did. Secondly, no Wicca has nothing in common with Germanic or Celtic religion. The ditheism of Wicca is totally novel, although given that Caodai, Joseph Smith, and Gardner were deeply influenced by Spiritism you could probably make an argument that Wiccan/Caodai/Mormon marital ditheism is sort of just a logical Line of Flight for Abrahamic religion to take. If there's a God, and he's a dude, why can't he have a wife? After all, men on Earth have wives.
+
+>>14933306
+Theosophy is just Abrahamic Perennialism, I don't think that it counts.
+--- 14933549
+>>14933545
+Great minds think alike haha. Beat you too it.
+--- 14933558
+>>14933545
+>If there's a God, and he's a dude, why can't he have a wife?
+He's not a dude. His essence is beyond gender
+>After all, men on Earth have wives.
+Men need wives like they need food. God needs nothing because he is.
+--- 14933572
+>>14933215 (OP)
+Jehovah's Wiccans (JW), the 1st and Eldest religion.
+--- 14933600
+>>14933545
+seethe
+--- 14933647
+Discordianism? Also some people take the Cthulhu mythos as fact, they have threads on /x/ on how to worship the Elder Gods.
+--- 14933654
+>>14933215 (OP)
+Scientology is the only one I can think of.
+--- 14933719
+>>14933215 (OP)
+Wicca is older than dirt.
+--- 14933765
+>>14933215 (OP)
+The old religions weren't merely "created" as myths as such, they were internally logically consistent methods of explaining the natural world via supernatural means, because supernatural means were the only way to explain the inexplicable (and in fact this is still effectively how modern science treats the biggest and smallest questions of the universe). They had to develop over a long, LONG time, and they weren't simply written down on a list the way Lovecraft pulls weird names out of his ass for a story.
+The reason why there are no "real" neopagan religions is because it is impossible to escape the cultural continuity of several thousand years of social tradition. Nothing can develop in isolation anymore the way the world is globalized and connected. Abrahamic faiths have taken root in the West and most of the East, with the remainder being driven by Hinduism or Buddhism or traditional faiths. These are inescapable and inexpugnable. They inform every element of culture, whether atheists like to admit it or not, and this means that all "new" religions can only exist as contrarian antitheses to these, which is no way to create a religion at all, and in fact results in exactly that: no real religion at all, as can be seen by the fact that virtually all LARPagans are just atheists dancing around in such a way to make Christians angry. 
+For better or worse, new religions cannot form, at least not without a major demographic catastrophe that completely upends the global paradigm, and I'm talking something REALLY big, bigger than a nuclear war, which is obviously something nobody sane wants to occur.
+--- 14934857
+>>14933251
+/Thread and OP confirmed for Christian LARPer lol even he thinks his religion is made up
+--- 14935173
+>>14933558
+>crypto-muslim palamist heretic gets butthurt at being confronted with scripture
+Typical.
+--- 14936274
+>>14935173
+What?
+--- 14936369
+>>14933223
+>>14933532
+>>14933545
+>>14933719
+Wicca was almost completely novel, but Gardner pretended it was an ancient tradition
+>>14933654
+Scientology seems like the best example. In contrast most other new religious movements and cults were explicitly based on Christianity and or Eastern traditions. Ultimately age gives you credibility when it comes to religion, pretty much everyone wants to at least pretend they have some 2000 year history

his/14933226.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933226
+"Spain" as a country didn't exist back then. The Muslims were just as legitimate to live in this land as the Christians were.
+The ugly truth is that the Reconquista was a war of conquest and the antecedent of European colonialism. What did the Spanish do immediately after the Reconquista? Yes, they went to America and conducted a genocide on the native population while destroying their culture. Then the French and English would imitate them.
+The Reconquista isn't a war of liberation (an anachronism, for the middle ages), it's a war of conquest of Christians against Muslim. Period.
+Beside don't you find that odd? Somehow there's no problem with the Arian Wisigoths who came from Scandinavia hundreds of kilometers away from the Iberian peninsula but with the muslim berbers who lived just 30 km away from Spain suddenly they should be treated like invaders, isn't that weird?
+--- 14933256
+The Chronica Prophetica ("Prophetic Chronicle") is an anonymous medieval Latin chronicle written by a Christian in April 883 at or near the court of Alfonso III of Asturias in Oviedo. It uses the dating system of the Spanish Era and is essentially an interpretation of the prophecy concerning the fate of Gog found in the biblical Book of Ezekiel. To the anonymous Asturian, the destruction of the Emirate of Córdoba is closely linked with the end times. According to Kenneth Baxter Wolf in the introduction to his translation, "The fact that Asturian armies at the time were taking advantage" of the weakness of the Umayyad emirate of Córdoba and "raiding deep into Muslim territory accounts for the overly optimistic estimates of the imminent Christian domination of the peninsula" in the Chronica Prophetica.
+--- 14933259
+>>14933226 (OP)
+>Spain is under Christian rule
+>Christians lose control of Spain due to a war of conquest by Muslims
+>Spain is under Muslim rule
+>Muslims lose control of Spain due to a war of conquest by Christians
+>Spain is under Christian rule again
+Yup sounds like some reconquest occured
+--- 14933271
+>>14933226 (OP)
+Because muslims are subhuman scum and they don't belong to anywhere.
+--- 14933288
+>>14933226 (OP)
+>Muslims were just as legitimate to live
+See, that's the thing, they aren't.
+--- 14933296
+>>14933226 (OP)
+The Reconquista doesn't make sense simply because by the time it ended, Muslims had been living in Al-Andalus for 7 centuries and the "Spaniards" were descendants of Gothic invaders themselves who conquered Spain from the Romans. This is like Americans and Mexicans fighting over who has "rightful claim" of the American Frontier when they're both just mystery meat occupiers of native land.
+--- 14933302
+>>14933296
+Spics have nothing to do with visigoths save a couple of noble houses.
+Also, iberians converted first and voluntarily to christianity and to islam by force. Then they were by force again converted to christendom.
+--- 14933304
+>i-it didn't exist
+The natives existed long before the idea of the Ummayads did.
+--- 14933308
+>>14933226 (OP)
+>"Spain" as a country didn't exist back then
+As a concept it existed since 4th-2nd century BC, Hispania/Iberia. As a country it existed since 6th century, a whole unified Christian kingdom populated by Hispanics and ruled by Visigoths.
+The Reconquista was originally called the Restoration by Spanish kingdoms of Middle-Ages, the restoration of Visigothic kingdom that for centuries ruled the peninsula.
+Locals fought to expel the invaders whose bulk of supporters were colonists brought from Muslim Asia/Africa, people totally unrelated to Iberian peninsula, neither by blood, culture, geography or religion, and at the end, they did it.
+--- 14933315
+>>14933304
+So if the native population in the USA wasn't just 100 people from the same family in Arizona, would you say it's justified for them to launch an uprising to topple the USA?
+--- 14933353
+>>14933315
+>so if [unrelated nonsense]
+--- 14933399
+>>14933226 (OP)
+>Reconquista was a war of conquest
+>conquista
+>conquest
+--- 14933401
+>>14933353
+It's directly related nigger. Don't dodge the question. Here let me simplify it for you
+>the natives existed before the Ummayads did
+>the natives existed before the USA did
+--- 14933457
+>>14933315
+It probably would but they don't have the mean to do it so who cares.
+--- 14933515
+>>14933226 (OP)
+Muslims had no business outside Arabia, islam is arab supremacy and they raped whole people out of existence or brainwashed them into thinking they were arabs
+--- 14933541
+>>14933226 (OP)
+>if you judge this tribal conflict from a modern perspective of liberation it's anachronistic
+>wow, this conflict was pointless from the modern perspective i just undermined, you shouldn't have fought it
+>looks like i win
+--- 14933557
+>>14933288
+>>14933302
+>>14933304
+Muslim conquest is good because Islam is true.
+Christian conquest is bad because Christianity is false.
+Simple as.
+--- 14934230
+>>14933557
+If Islam is true why do muslim countries suck?
+--- 14934346
+>>14933557
+If this is true then why did Muslims get kicked out of the important parts of Europe and ruin every single other region they weren't expelled from?
+--- 14934366
+>>14934230
+>>14934346
+you niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war
+the moment shit starts actually looking up for a country (Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam, etc) they coincidentally do a 180 and get fucked by things outside of their control
+--- 14934398
+>>14934366
+>you niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war
+Where was allah then?
+>the moment shit starts actually looking up for a country (Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam, etc) they coincidentally do a 180 and get fucked by things outside of their control
+It goes before that.
+--- 14934602
+>>14933296
+Don't be so dense to think that OP image was the statu quo during 7 centuries.
+--- 14934877
+>>14934366
+>you niggas say shit like this as if Islamic nations weren't also colonized and experienced constant meddling in their affairs by foreign intelligence agencies all throughout the cold war
+If Islam is so great how was this allowed to happen?
+--- 14934930
+>>14933226 (OP)
+Not to mention the "Christians" before were largely Arianists.
+--- 14934954
+>>14934930
+In January 587, Reccared renounced Arianism for Chalcedonianism, the single great event of his reign and the turning point for Visigothic Hispania. Most Arian nobles and ecclesiastics followed his example, certainly those around him at Toledo, but there were Arian uprisings, notably in Septimania, his northernmost province, beyond the Pyrenees, where the leader of opposition was the Arian bishop Athaloc, who had the reputation among his Roman enemies of being virtually a second Arius. Among the secular leaders of the Septimanian insurrection, the counts Granista and Wildigern appealed to Guntram of Burgundy, who saw his opportunity and sent his dux Desiderius. Reccared's army defeated the Arian insurgents and their Catholic allies with great slaughter, Desiderius himself being slain.
+--- 14935010
+>>14934930
+Holy shit this one's retarded
+ His parents are probably siblings
+--- 14936073
+>>14934230
+The "Muslim" countries of today suck because they're ruled by apostate govs who have abandoned the Sharia in favor of French and British laws. 
+>>14934346
+As a punishment, as a test, or both.
+You'll find that the elites of Al-Andalus had become quite decadent toward the later centuries, preferring wine and hunting over religious study and battle.
+
+All Muslim history can be reduced to a simple algorithm:
+>Muslims by-and-large adhere zealously to Islam
+Victory and dominance after a generation of fighting
+>Muslims turn away from Islam, seeking honor in heresies or through secular metrics
+Humiliation and subjugation
+--- 14936733
+>>14933296
+>and the "Spaniards" were descendants of Gothic invaders themselves
+The Visigoths were cucks who converted to Islam to not lose their privileges. The Reconquista was done primarily done by Hispano-Romans and the Basques.
+--- 14936755
+makes perfect sense because fuck heretics and fuck you
+--- 14936893
+>>14936073
+>You'll find that the elites of Al-Andalus had become quite decadent toward the later centuries, preferring wine and hunting over religious study and battle.
+Given that in their last centuries, they were without fault being ruled by Maghrebi psychotics and proto-Salafists no I didn't find that. Granted most of their defeats were under the taifas but the nafris didn't manage to rout the Christians even once. Hell, Navarra's coat of arms is literally just the spoils of war they got from the battle of Navas de Tolosa. There was no victory over the Christians when the magrebhis ruled only mitigation until the next taifa period.

his/14933281.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933281
+what's your comfort /his/ material? you know, that history book/show/game you know backwards but still go back to consoom every once in a while?
+--- 14934071
+>>14933281 (OP)
+Stronghold Crusader & Med II TW
+--- 14934105
+>>14933281 (OP)
+*posts fiction*
+this fucking board.
+--- 14934109
+>>14933281 (OP)
+Sabaton songs, I don’t care if it’s cringe it’s fun.
+--- 14935445
+>>14934105
+It’s fiction about history numpty
+--- 14935448
+>>14934071
+No physical evidence for battle of stalingrad. 
+History books are already alternate history.
+--- 14935461
+>>14935448
+Um bot bros? Take your meds
+--- 14935472
+Europa Universalis, but not sure if it counts with all the updates
+if it doesn't, then Rurouni Kenshin

his/14933379.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933379
+How the fuck was this supposed to work?
+--- 14933385
+>>14933379 (OP)
+Had the Germans and Hungarians not been there in such large amounts (and thus lead to separatism) it would have actually worked fine. This is what happened after WW2, but unfortunately it got struck by commies so a fully functioning Czechoslovakia was out of the question
+--- 14933456
+>>14933449
+No this but unironically. Czechs and Slovaks are very similar culturally and have always gotten along. When Czechoslovakia was divided, many referred to it (and still do) as a "mutual divorce" and the countries still like each other today. Literally one of the very few examples where 2 ethnic groups in the same country don't want to fucking kill each other constantly
+--- 14933495
+>>14933456
+FYI most Slovaks were either apathetic or cheered Hitler on when he invaded Prague. Many Slovaks were very unhappy with living under what they saw as a Czech-dominated state, the main reason there wasn't a strong independence movement was just that they feared to be gobbled up by the Soviets and/or Poles if they start shit.
+--- 14933496
+>>14933465
+Then why didn't the Allies try to exploit it in 1938, when Hitler was trying to start the war? UK, France and Czechoslovakia could have easily defeated half-militarized Germany even without Stalin's help, which he was more than willing to provide. If the Allies really wanted to destroy Germany for good, September 1938 would have been the best time to strike. Instead, they just got on their knees and sucked Hitler's flaccid dick for a week.
+--- 14933509
+Ugh, what could have been...
+--- 14933678
+>>14933396
+It literally worked. We kicked out all the Germs by force and... 
+...and we got taken over by the commies.
+--- 14933683
+>>14933379 (OP)
+Anti-revisionist pact across Europe consisting of France, Soviet union, England and Poland. Poland went to pursue their intermarium delusions and thus Europe was gobbled up by Germans and subjugated by Soviets and Americans.
+--- 14933686
+>>14933495
+FYI there were anti-Czech sentiments, but the state of Slovak politics in the late 30s was the result of a soft coup.
+--- 14933696
+>>14933495
+>the main reason there wasn't a strong independence movement was just that they feared to be gobbled up by the Soviets and/or Poles
+The fact you didnt say Magyars points out your ignorance. In fact there was a strong independence movement but it was not supported by majority of people simply because majority of people was not interested in ideology associated with that independence movement.
+--- 14933711
+>>14933696
+Slovakia was also called "Upper Hungary" for ages and at one point it was majority Hungarian I believe (don't quote me on that). Literally the first Slovak state to ever exist was founded by the Hungarian Communists in 1919, and even then people were surprised at the move because Slovakia had always been part of Hungary at that point. I've never found any source that explains why they actually founded a separate Slovak republic instead of just integrating it into Hungary like most Hungarians wanted to
+--- 14933732
+>>14933711
+>I've never found any source that explains why they actually founded a separate Slovak republic instead of just integrating it into Hungary like most Hungarians wanted to
+Maybe because they were commies and thus maybe more willing to tone down on Hungarian irredentism.
+--- 14933748
+>>14933711
+I think Bela Kun's autism led to him thinking that making as many Commie states as possible was a good idea to spread the revolution.
+--- 14934125
+The perfect borders do not exi...
+--- 14935952
+>>14934125
+Sorry, but we'll keep our foreskin thank you very much.
+--- 14936081
+>>14934125
+Jesus, looks like a sick dog taking a really stringy last and final shit right before it dies
+--- 14936087
+>>14933379 (OP)
+
+Thats what happens when a large state of different ethnic, cultural and religious groups collapse.
+
+It breaks down into smaller states who then begin to fight because demography does not represent the drawn borders.
+
+Austria-Hungary
+Jugoslavia
+Soviet Union
+Ottomans
+
+A very interesting part of ww2 is that out of every nation that seized land from Germany in the Versailled Treaty, Hitler claimed back all of them, except for the German territory given to Denmark.
+The Danes didnt fool themselves. Altough Germany was defeated in ww1, Denmark knew that Germany would remain a powerful force not to be neglected. The Danes thus wanted their annexation of German lands to be as legal as possible to prevent any future conflict, and so held a vote across all the new territory for the people to decide wether they wanted to be Danish or German. Roughly half voted German and so Denmark returned the annexed land back to Germany, something which upset the allies a lot.
+
+During the occupation of Denmark in ww2, nazi germany did not try to take back the land which had been part of Germany that had voted to be Danish.

his/14933735.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933735
+Tell me about the Bolshevization of Central Asia. How did the Communists succeed in pacifying and converting the Muslim population who were openly hostile to integration within Russian structures (anti-conscription Basmachi revolt spiraling into pro-autonomy then pro-independence movements) especially the nomadic population which were very hard to control?
+--- 14933793
+The Kings (Tsar) of the past had built great forts (Kremlins) in Eurasia from where his men could go out to raid and go in to hide. Add
+> superior firepower and manpower that the communists had
+> communism was increasingly popular among some Central Asians
+> communists simply bribed people with food, cloth, and cash to win them over
+The Central Asians that fought the communists were doomed.
+> pic related is the Soviet film "White Sun of the Desert" about a Soviet soldier and his harem of Central Asian qts
+> available on youtube with subs in hd
+--- 14933837
+https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BB%D1%8C
+> wiki article about kremlin (citadel or castle)
+There are many forts across Eurasia and just as the Normans used these forts to hold lands in Britain, Ireland, Normandy, Sicily, South Italy, Morea, and elsewhere; the Rus Normans did the same. I can say that building forts to garrison with retainers (troops or servants (pages or squires) retained or kept in service) was how landlords throughout the world held their lands. Kremlins were built in towns for this cause
+--- 14934694
+Not strictly what you asked, but a documentary made during the cultural revolution in China about the Uighurs.
+https://youtu.be/0haLc9A4z4o?t=284 [Embed]
+--- 14935117
+>>14933735 (OP)
+Staying as a dirt poor nomad is not actually that popular
+Its hard to sustain an insurgency like that without substantial foreign support
+It worked in Afghanistan because of constant inflow of foreign terrorists and supplies
+--- 14935486
+>>14933735 (OP)
+I like when Kazakhstan was in the USSR even after everyone else, including Russia left
+--- 14935528
+>>14935486
+Would have been extremely kino if they stayed the USSR as a sort of government in exile
+Kazakhstan with a permanent UN Security Council seat
+--- 14935537
+>>14933735 (OP)
+1. Bolshevizing the Russian settlers already living in Central Asia
+2. Shooting non-compliant Central Asians the same way their grandfathers' had
+3. Promoting sedentary agriculture for Central Asians and thereby weakening the "reactionary" Central Asian nomadic lifestyle
+--- 14935546
+>>14935528
+It would just be a repeat of what happened to Taiwan, i.e. Russia would keep the seat and Soviet Kazakhstan would get kicked off
+--- 14935579
+>>14935546
+"Taiwan" had that seat for decades
+--- 14935591
+>>14935537
+>2. Shooting non-compliant Central Asians the same way their grandfathers' had
+>3. Promoting sedentary agriculture for Central Asians and thereby weakening the "reactionary" Central Asian nomadic lifestyle
+They did those two by starving people. The Kazakh Famine of 1930-33 was far more deadly per capita than the Holodomor and succeeded in making Kazakhs comply with collectivization as well as turning them into a minority in their own country.
+--- 14935593
+>>14935579
+Only because of Cold War autism and the increasingly-faint hope that Chiang could still retake the mainland; there would be nothing similar for the USSRK, not even China would risk a diplomatic spat with Russia for the sake of keeping Kazakhstan on the security council.
+--- 14936323
+>>14933793
+Russians are so gross and act just like barbarian muzzies
+--- 14936340
+>>14935117
+Uzbeks and Tajiks were sedentary farmers.
+
+The Kazakh, Kyrgyz and Turkmen were nomads.
+--- 14936343
+>>14935537
+Tajiks and Uzbeks were sedentary farmers before any Russian entered Central Asia.
+
+Uyghurs were also sedentary farmers.
+
+Stop thinking Central Asian=nomad.
+--- 14936354
+>>14933735 (OP)
+Hui Muslims in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan sided with the Commumist Red Army against the Turkic speaking Basmachi Muslim rebels.
+--- 14936587
+>>14933735 (OP)
+Why did the Soviets see it as necessary to invade Afghanistan to stop an islamic domino effect in their own republics?
+--- 14936654
+>>14936587
+Even Iran plan on invading Afghan land but never execute.
+--- 14936723
+>>14935537
+>>14933793
+It really is funny that no matter how much the early Bolsheviks tried with their indigenization commissions and railing against Great Russian chauvinism they still ended up just being the Russian Empire but eccentric and red.
+>>14933735 (OP)
+Nomads are actually very easy to control and wipe out when you are a modern state. Even African countries (ok, kenya) are currently fucking up their pastoralist tribes nowadays.
+Unlike pre-modern nomads who'd just fuck off and move to somewhere in the immensity of the desert and you'd have no idea where they went. Nomads now are constrained by the borders of Westphalian entities and the fact the army can just follow them by train and gun them down wherever. Plus you can kill them with modernization, which is to not antagonize them directly but to neuter them and settle them.
+--- 14936744
+They did it by wiping out over half of them
+--- 14936896
+>>14936723
+For the last time Uzbeks and Tajiks are not nomads. Neither are Uyghurs.
+
+Only Kazakhs, Karakalpaks, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmen are the fully pastoral nomads.
+--- 14936908
+>>14936896
+We are speaking about all of Central Asia not only the fucking Ferghana Valley you sperg.

his/14933806.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933806
+>i’m the son of god and also god himself, chuds!
+>why yes i will not give any proof for my existence to future generations.. just believe in me! 
+>why yes god allowed me to get killed by the romans at the behest of my own jewish brethren.. but it is YOUR fault because I died for YOUR sins even tho you were not even born
+>no i dont know my real dad and yes my mom was fucked by some random guy but she’s not a slut, god fucked her!
+kek how do people take these schizo ramblings seriously
+--- 14933814
+>>14933806 (OP)
+They're afraid of hell ig
+--- 14933986
+>>14933806 (OP)
+Gee, I wonder. It's not like the entire faith hinges on existential blackmail or something...
+--- 14934444
+>>14933806 (OP)
+Do you actually just not know what you’re talking about, or are you pretending to be ignorant on purpose
+--- 14935284
+>>14933806 (OP)
+>Myself, myself why have I forsaken me-ACK!
+--- 14935303
+>I am not a cuckold, alright? I am in a monogamous marriage with Mary...who has sex with YHWH
+--- 14935390
+you need to be over 18 years old to post here
+--- 14936424
+>>14934444
+Nobody can pretend to be foolish, it has to come naturally to him.
+--- 14936451
+>>14935390
+>I look forward to when a Jewish Messiah will appear and rule all the Goyim from mount Zion and all the nations will worship Hashem
+--- 14936462
+>>14933806 (OP)
+Yes
+--- 14936474
+>>14936462
+he converts to muslim alhamdullah he will never be a cuck again

his/14933851.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933851
+Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation? I just find it difficult to comprehend why farm boys from Ohio and Pennsylvania would risk their lives for such abstract concepts. It also seems to me as an outsider that America really isn't the racist country it's made out to be.
+--- 14933872
+>>14933851 (OP)
+The majority of abolitionists were from Massachusetts. The "boys from Ohio" along with many others were fighting to prevent the country from being torn apart in two.
+Likewise in the South, a majority of the successionists were from Alabama. There is a famous quote from a captured Confederate soldier who said when asked "Why are you fighting?" His response was, "because you are down here fighting."
+--- 14933881
+>>14933851 (OP)
+>Were the people of the North really so anti-slavery and pro-emancipation?
+Yes actually they were. But mostly pragmatic - it was good money for a poor farm boy or immigrant. 
+
+>It is estimated that of those who took part in the American Civil War, 75,215 were regulars, 1,933,779 were volunteers and 46,347 were drafted and 73,600 were substitutes. Over 250,000 men were honorably discharged for physical disability arising from wounds, accidents or disease in the service. Officially, 201,397 men deserted, of which 76,526 were arrested and returned to their regiments.
+--- 14933909
+>>14933872
+Why did they really care if the South went its own way?
+
+>>14933881
+Only 46k were drafted? I'm really surprised at that figure. I guess the volunteers thought it'd be an adventure and over quickly.
+--- 14933920
+>>14933909
+>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?
+Because letting half your country just leave is a nice way of inviting foreign powers control you since it shows you are weak.
+--- 14933930
+>>14933909
+>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?
+Cotton couldn't grow in the north and the north wanted its artificially cheap tariffed cotton from the south to keep supercharging northern textile industry 
+
+If the south left they'd sell all their cotton to britain and the north would have to import from india and directly compete with the british empire (and would lose)
+--- 14934178
+at the start of the war not really in the sense of outright abolitionism, even in the Republican party the default position wasn't the total abolition of slavery but its restriction to the states it was already in. though it's safe to say most found it distasteful. 
+as the war dragged on a lot of northerners came around to the idea that going back to the pre-war status quo was untenable, and they needed to solve the slavery debate which had consumed American politics for the past few decades once and for all.
+I don't really understand why popular opinion changing over time is so hard to grasp, imagine applying this nonsense to changing views about gay marriage/lgbt people in general over the past 25 years
+--- 14934210
+secessionist support was mainly found among the "Cotton Belt" states (MS, AL, GA, and SC) and not as strong elsewhere in the South
+--- 14934222
+>>14933909
+The volunteered/drafted numbers are weird. Draft dodging throughout much of the war was widespread, through substitutes (who then could often enough desert with the money, and then, if they were THAT kind of guy, they'd look for someone who they could substitute again and desert again, and repeat, which could get be profitable) or by other means, and as you can see a lot of men deserted. The thing about the draft it that the main purpose it served was getting people to volunteer before they were drafted, which came with the benefits of honor and usually some pay bonus volunteers got. The draft would also come to every community because of how it worked with every place having its quota. So, while very few people were officially drafted, much more became soldiers indirectly because of the draft, and you could even say they may have been de facto drafted. As a result it's difficult to gauge the true effect of the draft and how much of the Union army were true volunteers.
+--- 14934396
+>>14933851 (OP)
+Most people on both sides were just conscripts who didn't really give a fuck, see: the sky high desertion rates in the South and draft riots in the North.
+--- 14934748
+>>14933881
+>it was pragmatic
+so they didnt care?
+--- 14934782
+Just read Yankee polemics. They thought they better than everyone in the south, black, white, purple. Sort of the typical Anglo enlightenment attitude for a lack of a better way to put it. In more ways than one.
+--- 14936262
+>>14933909
+>Why did they really care if the South went its own way?
+If you decide the union is optional than the union ceases to exist. If the south was gone than it wouldn't be long before some other state was going to try and leave. And at this point the US wasn't exactly surrounded by allies.

his/14933949.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933949
+Name one original thing about christianity
+--- 14933961
+>>14933949 (OP)
+This mosaic doesn't exist. You can't find it anywhere. Someone just put the painting through an AI filter.
+--- 14933971
+>>14933961
+No, the Roman mosaic is based on the 16th century painting.
+--- 14933989
+>>14933971
+Yeah, my mistake, it's a 'reconstituted mosaic panel' with no provenance.
+--- 14933994
+>>14933961
+>>14933971
+>>14933989
+>i dont like it so its fake!
+Source?
+--- 14933998
+Walmart churches
+--- 14934018
+>>14933994
+The only source I can find is some auction site. It's not an in-situ, excavated mosaic, it's a 'reconstruction' obviously modelled on the painting.
+>https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Roman-Mosaic-with-Zeus-Commanding-the-Harpies/774-roman_mosaic-31.8.16-timeline
+
+The funny thing is the painting is apparently modelled on a Roman sarcophagus, but it's nothing like the one-to-one match with the mosaic.
+--- 14934441
+>>14933994
+you can tell its fake, cause they made zeus yellow haired
+--- 14935647
+>>14933998
+/thread
+--- 14935676
+>>14933949 (OP)
+Pretty sure there wasn't a prophet going by the name "Jesus Christ" before Christianity.
+
+Checkmate gaytheists.
+--- 14935700
+>>14935676
+Pretty sure there were other rabbis called Yeshua before ben Yosef.
+--- 14935713
+>>14933994
+>hey look at this claim
+you have no source
+>what?! what do you mean i have no source?! youare a liar! you have to bring source for this!
+you are a literal retard
+--- 14935721
+>>14933949 (OP)
+Trinity.
+>inb4 he posts random instances of tritheism
+you are so predictable
+tritheism is a heresy and it is not trinity
+--- 14935729
+>>14935700
+Christianity didn't exist in a fully distinct form until Jesus was already known as "Christ"
+Check.
+Mate.
+Gaytheists.
+--- 14935776
+>>14935729
+Jesus didn't exist and is a jewish version of pagan dying-rising savior deities.
+--- 14936095
+>>14933949 (OP)
+its been known for the longest that the depictions of god we know were just repurposed from Zeus
+--- 14936110
+It's a painting from the Renaissance. Paganism was all the rage during that time. Depictions that more closely follow Scripture doesn't have this issue.

his/14933950.txt

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+-----
+--- 14933950
+What does /his/ think of Billy Graham?
+--- 14934005
+All American "Christianity" is plebeian and ultra cringe.
+--- 14934038
+>have a tool which grants you access to all of humanity’s information
+>on a board dedicated to discussing history on an international level
+>still want to talk about 1980s prosperity gospel good boy American Evangelicals
+FUCK THIS BOARD
+MAKE A RELIGIOUS BOARD ALREADY
+--- 14934056
+>>14934038
+b-b-but i wanna troll using stereotypes 40 years out of date? it will just be like my netflix
+--- 14934060
+meh they trolled SJWs so good enough for me
+--- 14934778
+>>14934038
+This IS the religion board
+--- 14934794
+>>14934038
+I wish Hiroshima would hurry up and make a /rel/ board already, they've been shitting up /his/ and /x/ for far too long
+--- 14934832
+>>14934060
+Evangelical Christians lived absolutely rent free in gays and leftists' heads all through the 80s-90s-00s.
+--- 14934885
+>>14934778
+If it is, then why can't people talk about current religious events?
+--- 14934898
+>>14934038
+>nooooo you can't talk about the history that interest you!
+>you have to make threads about stuff i wanna talk about reeeeeeee
+Touch grass.
+--- 14934913
+>>14933950 (OP)
+Don't know much about him when he was alive.
+
+I didn't become an Anglican until after he died.
+
+He's honoured on his birthday in the church bulletin.
+--- 14934943
+>>14934885
+There haven't been important events since the early 00s
+--- 14935632
+>>14933950 (OP)
+grifter
+--- 14936025
+He sold his soul when he delisted Mormonism as a cult from his website upon his endorsement of Mitt Romney's presidency in 2012. His book on Angels is ok.
+--- 14936075
+Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
+Luke 6:26
+
+He compromised a lot on the gospel in his later years, perhaps believing that softness would open up more people to his message. But, as we should know, the message of the gospel should never be compromised. That being said, he did a lot more for the kingdom of God than many, many others, so I still view him in an overall positive light for that.
+--- 14936088
+>>14933950 (OP)
+spineless
+coward
+charlatan
+liar
+traitor
+TYPICAL CHRISTIAN
+
+He's on tape discussing the Jewish control of the American media and how the Jews were dragging America into hell, and not only did he never speak out about it in public, when he was confronted about it 30 years later he pretended he had never said a negative word about Jews.
+
+https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/662/conversation-662-004
+--- 14936104
+>>14936088
+timestamp(s)?
+--- 14936146
+>>14936104
+28:40
+the audio is pretty bad, and Nixon doesn't speak very clearly. There used to be a version with subtitles on YouTube, but the Jews took it down.
+--- 14936148
+>>14933950 (OP)
+Magic jew worshipers are cringe.
+--- 14936170
+>>14936025
+That was just the moment he'd revealed he'd lost his soul.
+He was lost before that.
+A Catholic or an Orthodox might enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but a Protestant cannot.
+--- 14936244
+>>14936170
+Damn I missed that Bible verse. Which book is it in?
+--- 14936250
+>>14936146
+>>14936104
+this video has a part of the conversation, along with a transcript
+https://odysee.com/@JustMe:05/President-Richard-Nixon-and-Reverend-Billy-Graham-Calling-The-Jews-'The-Synagogue-of-Satan':c
+--- 14936387
+>>14936170
+Presbyterians are very nice and pious people

his/14934059.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+-----
+--- 14934059
+isnt he technically in heaven?
+--- 14934068
+we're now entering the phase where you start posting about serial killers from your days of watching youtube videos, which is really your only area of expertise as a discord shitter
+--- 14934310
+>>14934302
+You can butcher and rape his children and that's not insulting?
+--- 14935849
+>>14934059 (OP)
+How would I know? I’m not God.
+--- 14936430
+>>14934059 (OP)
+only God knows

his/14934088.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+-----
+--- 14934088
+Why don't orthodox christians make statues anymore?
+--- 14934188
+Because they stopped being basileioi and shieet
+--- 14934191
+His fingers do like 
+>I catch you guys later lol
+Lol
+--- 14934293
+>>14934088 (OP)
+Iconoclasm hit their society like obscurantism bro
+--- 14935471
+No idea about the rest, but in Russia it happened almost on a whim during the Synodal era. It was that time when a bunch of Protestant influenced Ukrainians (Prokopovich, Yavorsky et al) took over the Russian church in the early 1700s with the help of Peter the Great. They brought quite a lot of changes, most notably the abolition of Patriarchy, none of which really had any solid grounds theologically. Banning sculptures and metal icons was one of them.

his/14934103.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,122 @@
+-----
+--- 14934103
+>be Adam and Eve
+>be in Paradise
+>God be like: nooooo don't eat le hecking APPLINO it's le BAD (even though I'm the one who created it and put it next to you)
+>Lucifer be like: God has made you ignorant of everything. If you eat this apple, it will give you knowledge about this world and make you realize that ""God"" is actually evil and enjoys seeing his creation suffer.
+>Adam and Eve use their free will and eat the apple
+>God: >HAHAHAHA you fell into my TRAP, should've LISTENED to me BRO now I will make you suffer FOREVER because I'm merciful n shiet
+>be transferred to this hellhole called Earth
+>God be like: you MUST listen to my bazillion rules or I'll make you SUFFER eternally with HOT FIRE n shieeet
+>Lucifer be like: As a human being, you were born free and you should enjoy this innate freedom, not live enslaved to a sky daddy.
+--- 14934124
+When did you realize that the Light Bringer did nothing wrong and wanted to save humanity from the Demiurge?
+--- 14934142
+>>14934124
+Jesus is Lucifer rev 22:16
+--- 14934145
+>>14934124
+He might ultimately still be self-interested, but if that means giving us assistance to resist Yahweh, then that's all in order. Business is business.
+--- 14934160
+>>14934142
+Entertaining this kind of idea can destroy you. Be careful.
+--- 14934173
+>>14934142
+What did he mean by this?
+--- 14934180
+>>14934135
+--- 14934182
+>>14934173
+Look up the Latin name for the Morning Star
+--- 14934228
+>>14934135
+>It's okay if your father beats the shit out of you on a regular basis, he's your father and you must respect him
+--- 14934272
+Yeah, I can't stop questioning every single God's action. In any fictional story he would've been the villain. Let's hope for everyone's sake that Christianity isn't real. 
+
+I genuinely wonder how Christians cope with all this stuff. Do they like block their minds and just not think about this too hard?
+--- 14934400
+>>14934103 (OP)
+>Lucifer be like: you should do things with negative consequences, because you have le heckin FREE WILL!! which means you can do anything you want (just don’t think about the repercussions bro trust me)
+--- 14934406
+>tell you not to eat the apple or else you'll literally fucking die
+>eat it anyway
+>surprised you experience sin and death
+what the fuck were you expecting? "haha it was just a prank, bro!"?
+--- 14934436
+>>14934406
+There was no death in paradise, how could they know what it means? 
+No wonder the religion is dying. Primitive iron age Semitic myths don't align well with modern morality.
+--- 14934480
+>>14934272
+>God: don't do this
+>you: do it anyways
+>face consequences
+>gOd wOuLd've beEn tHe viLlaiN
+--- 14934495
+>>14934480
+>don't do this
+>people didn't know if obeying god is good or bad before eating the fruit
+--- 14934499
+>>14934135
+Ricky mocks Yahweh by showing how the fires of hell have cooked an excellent chicken breast for Ricky to enjoy
+--- 14934520
+>>14934507
+He's beating everyone. Humans, animals. Every living thing.
+--- 14934529
+>>14934507
+Ricky shows yahweh that he is invulnerable to the canaanite thunderbolts hurled at him
+--- 14934532
+>>14934520
+“Respect thy father and mother” is referring to your biological parents.
+--- 14934534
+>>14934507
+He's a vengeful autistic desert demon?
+--- 14934536
+>>14934103 (OP)
+God is a psychopath, than goodness for iron chariots
+--- 14934553
+>>14934103 (OP)
+It was not an apple and it was no Lucifer. It was a "fruit" and a talking snake.
+--- 14934575
+>>14934103 (OP)
+Yeah, Lucifer is cool. By Lucifer you mean Satan. Lucifer is from some poem.
+Secondly the snake in the Garden of Eden was a snake. It being the Devil in disguise is Christian head canon.
+God didn't tell Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit because it's wrong when they have no concept of right and wrong because that's something they would have to obtain from eating the fruit. He told them not to eat it because it would kill them.
+--- 14934634
+>>14934575
+>By Lucifer you mean Satan.
+Why? You sure they're the same?
+--- 14934642
+>>14934634
+They're not. That's what I'm trying to get at.
+But, they are interchangeable and become synonymous in most context, so I could have left that one alone.. But, for sure the snake was a snake.
+--- 14935359
+>>14934142
+>>14934182
+low iq posts
+--- 14935636
+>>14934495
+>>people didn't know if obeying god is good or bad before eating the fruit
+Huh, I never thought of that
+--- 14935652
+>>14934575
+>>14934642
+Why was there a talking snake and who put it there? Was it really just some random snake that could talk?
+--- 14935663
+>>14935636
+I hope you’re joking and Christians aren’t this dumb.
+--- 14936617
+>>14935652
+It was not a literal snake; the devil says he walked to and fro and snakes don't have feet.
+--- 14936631
+>>14934103 (OP)
+Sky jew acts like a jew. And christcucks are going to trust this jew to give them a ticket to a magic jew kingdom in the sky if they're a good goy?
+--- 14936637
+>>14934103 (OP)
+And then they died from sin, so Jesus came to save us from sin and death and cast out the serpent into hell forever.
+--- 14936641
+>>14934103 (OP)
+>Lucifer be like: As a human being, you were born free and you should enjoy this innate freedom, not live enslaved to a sky daddy.
+
+Lucifer is nothing but a filthy majoosi plot hole, there is no mention of hell in exodus or genesis

his/14934134.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,256 @@
+-----
+--- 14934134
+"You, Inejirō Asanuma, are making Japan communist. I have no resentment towards you personally as a person with a leadership role in the socialist party but to your onus, your outbursts when you visited China, and the responsibility you bear for the intrusion into the National Diet. I cannot let go of your unforgivable actions. I shall hereby be the one to bring down your divine punishment."
+
+Dated 12 October 1960, Otoya Yamaguchi
+--- 14934195
+>I shall hereby be the one to bring down your divine punishment.
+And God rewarded them with such a glorious 10,000 times folded work/suicide culture.
+--- 14934221
+It's just such a good photo. Like something from an old woodblock print.
+--- 14934267
+>>14934134 (OP)
+GLORIOUS 
+
+GLORIOUS INDEED!
+
+When a communist dog opens its mouth in public cut them down!
+
+>>14934195
+Hahahaha cope more loser bitch, the former eastern bloc is full of depressed, impoverished, suicidal alcoholics and your loser empire collapsed hahahahaha I dance on the pathetic grave of the ussr
+--- 14934285
+>>14934267
+>Chud empathises with a depressed society full of virgins and suicide
+You don't say!
+--- 14934305
+>is a radicalized "ultranationalist" after joining a few groups bankrolled by the USA 
+>kills a socialist ( not even an actual communist ) who doesn't want to turn Japan into a US vassal state
+>didn't do dick because communists are still running around 
+>dies like a pussy in prison
+--- 14934325
+>>14934267
+Lmao, Japan is still America's geriatric mega bitch.
+--- 14934351
+>>14934267
+"In a bleak cell at a Tokyo juvenile detention home one night last week, a mop-haired teenager mixed a palmful of tooth powder with a few drops of water and scrawled a message on the wall: "Seven lives for my country. Ten thousand years for His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor!'' Then Otoya Yamaguchi, 17, tore his bed sheet into strips, knotted them into a rope, stood up on a toilet bowl and hanged himself from the light fixture in the ceiling."
+
+kek
+
+>>14934134 (OP)
+
+Also:
+
+https://youtu.be/p_Xy8il6C-c [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/sOXBmWoOuvQ [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/RSp5ihgRZLo [Embed]
+
+Here are some other angles of Asanuma’s assassination
+--- 14934365
+chinks still mad about this one eh? sad.
+--- 14934375
+>>14934267
+>Hahahaha cope more loser bitch, the former eastern bloc is full of depressed, impoverished, suicidal alcoholics and your loser empire collapsed hahahahaha I dance on the pathetic grave of the ussr
+
+>Bring back capitalism
+>become miserable shithole
+Im not sure how it helps your case
+--- 14934376
+>>14934365
+Yukio Mishima had more impact as a right winged figure in Japan than him
+Sorry to break this to you bud
+--- 14934381
+>socialist coping about not gaining weebs on their side: the thread
+--- 14934388
+>>14934376
+And both of them Anhero'd. Whats with fascists and killing themselves? Are cross dressing Nazis not a meme?
+--- 14934408
+>>14934388
+With Mishima atleast, he's an accomplished person who's well known in the literary world 
+OP's favorite is the equivalent on a radicalized /pol/tard going after literally whos
+--- 14934448
+>>14934134 (OP)
+He gave us anime
+--- 14934475
+>>14934267
+Recognized Peter Kemp immediately, thanks for the book recommendation
+--- 14934505
+>>14934285
+Sovietcels are the depressed ones and all commies are mentally ill losers, kys 
+
+>>14934305
+All socialists deserve a similar fate and the faggot politician wanted to make Japan a Chinese vassal
+
+Cry more that capitalism stay winning
+
+>>14934325
+Based
+
+>>14934351
+What a poetic death, I salute this hero and encourage others to follow his path
+
+>>14934375
+Japans not a shithole you coping loser, you’re thinking of the breadlines and commieblocks of the failed former Soviet system
+
+>>14934376
+>nooo there can’t be two right wingers it needs to be a contest because uhhh
+
+Idiot
+--- 14934514
+Why did he even kill the guy? Was he really just some /pol/tard from 1960 who killed the socialist because the socialist was bringing ”marxist degeneracy” into glorious nippon?
+--- 14934533
+>>14934514
+>Was he really just some /pol/tard from 1960 who killed the socialist because the socialist was bringing ”marxist degeneracy” into glorious nippon?
+By /pol/tard you mean someone who's malleable? Yea
+--- 14934545
+>>14934505
+if only Asanuma lived...japan would be more like china now and have a healthier work culture...sad!
+
+AND they'd have a more independent foreign policy, like they wouldn't support taiwan and stuff
+--- 14934583
+>/pol/tard can't fathom having the mind of a former Taisei Yokusankai politician
+and thinks everyone has to bow down to his bias
+Many such cases. Sad!
+--- 14934590
+It's always those who try to do right by their people and the worker that always seem to meet tragic ends.
+
+"You made service to the people the core of your political principles. Literally running from east to west, you were constantly appealing directly to the people with unrivaled eloquence and unmatched passion.
+ ’Numa truly is a speech-giving everyman
+ With his soiled clothes and tattered briefcase;
+ Today in this public hall,
+ Tomorrow at a roadside temple in Kyoto.
+This is what Asanuma’s comrades used to sing about him back in the 1920s, when they were founding the Japan Labour-Farmer Party. Even after he became Chairman, this “speech-making everyman” spirit never showed the least sign of flagging. Even now, we all still have vivid recollections of you giving all those speeches in every corner of this nation."
+
+Eulogy for Asanuma on the floor of the Diet given by Hayato Ikeda
+--- 14934599
+>>14934505
+>Sovietcels are the depressed ones and all commies are mentally ill losers, kys 
+Doing better than Nippon doe
+>>14934551
+>China isn't a communist country! Commie ideology can never surpass US.
+>China is communist because worker suicide
+Pick one
+--- 14934614
+>Muh Socialist Asanuma wants to turn Japan into a communist hellscape 
+>but he didn't approach the all powerful Soviet Union but backwards shithole China to "bankroll" him
+Do /pol/tards even
+--- 14934615
+>>14934609
+Russians actual can BREED more than Japs doe
+>China isn’t communist anymore, but is still a dystopia to work in
+Not communist my little chuddy
+--- 14934648
+I just want to talk about how radicalized the killer was and what were his beliefs, i don’t give a fuck about your gay internet ”culture war”.
+--- 14934653
+not reading this thread, but i've seen chud anon post and without reading a single one of his posts i KNOW he's got the brainless /pol/ take that inejiro was a tranny loving commie and the kid was a bonefide patriot and not a glownigger plant
+--- 14934665
+>>14934134 (OP)
+what an inspiration, dying for just cause
+becoming a martyr for divine truth
+--- 14934681
+>>14934665
+>what an inspiration, dying for just cause becoming a martyr for divine truth
+
+lol
+
+wanting to be America's bitch = divine truth
+--- 14934702
+>>14934681
+So true! With Asanuma could be independent of America and make their own decisions (like not supporting Taiwan)
+--- 14935076
+>>14934505
+>I salute this hero and encourage others to follow his path
+Go ahead and hang yourself too, chink.
+--- 14935083
+>>14934583
+nice google translate post zhang
+--- 14935094
+>>14934681
+>The only reason anyone would oppose marxism is to support eebil amerikkka
+Mental illness
+--- 14935158
+>kills him for saying america is the enemy
+america should be wiped off the face of the planet
+--- 14935172
+>>14934267
+Japan has one of the highest suicide rates on the planet and one of the most exploitative working cultures as well. Good thing that nip killed him otherwise Japan wouldn't have ended up with desperately low birth rates, African immigration, so many deaths from overwork that it becomes its own classification, skyrocketing suicides, NEETdom, and permanent subjugation by America.
+--- 14935182
+>>14934134 (OP)
+OP is a faggot complaining that people back in the day used to actually believe in stuff instead of being hedonistic cynical retards.
+--- 14935192
+>>14935158
+Do you think saying this for the second time will make it true?
+--- 14935197
+>>14935172
+And no Japanese seems to care about these so terrible things you've listed. They live in a clean, low crime society and practice their ancestral religion.
+
+>>14935182
+They're also too retarded to realize that Japan to this day has the death sentence and he wanted to spare himself the torture of waiting for it
+--- 14935201
+>>14935197
+Nips are an eternally castrated race
+--- 14935229
+>>14935201
+What an original insult
+--- 14935241
+>>14934681
+communism is the natural progression of judaism; putting man over nature and viewing everyone, even the most subhuman of men, as equal. opposing commies because you're aware of the fact that they're evil is righteous.
+--- 14935272
+>>14935241
+your wrong dumbass, its the natural progression of private ownership. It fucks over too many people that they either become fascists or communists.
+--- 14935327
+>>14934408
+>literally whos
+Under Asanuma's leadership, the Japanese Socialist Party had won a third of the seats in the house of representatives.
+
+If it hadn't been for Otoya's heroic sacrifice, Japan may well have become a Chinese vassal state by the 1970's.
+
+七生報国!
+--- 14935395
+>>14934590
+The only relevant post. Thank you, anon:)
+--- 14935488
+>>14934134 (OP)
+hiten Mitsurugi style
+--- 14935498
+>>14934195
+>10,000 times folded work/suicide culture
+They would've got the same thing either way. Look at China. You think Japan would actually practice "communism" properly?
+--- 14935543
+While all you commie faggots were seething about my posts I went on a date with my smoking hot Latina wife and shot a rope of hot white cum in her pussy.
+
+Think about that.
+--- 14935741
+>>14935172
+>Japan has one of the highest suicide rates on the planet
+Hasn't been the case for like 30 years. 
+Canda is like 40 spots ahead of them by now.
+--- 14935809
+>>14935094
+In reality that's the single primary reason people chimp out about le ebil gommunism. Every time time a chud claims they're actually anti-capitalist for x,y and z reasons, in actual fact their presence in the world only ever amounts to support for neoliberalism and the American bloc.
+--- 14935927
+>>14935809
+Based! I’m glad capitalism won over communism. Die mad your ideology is for losers hahahahahaha
+--- 14935939
+>>14935927
+Why do rightoids even pretend they're edgy rebels against the status quo? Just own the fact you're whole thing is being for it.
+--- 14935955
+>>14935939
+I hate Biden, but I’d still defend him and liberals against your ilk when push comes to shove
+
+I’d fight side by side with jihadis, liberals, and any other ideology in the world. (You) are the ultimate enemy. When communists step up we all drop our differences to slaughter you.
+--- 14935969
+>>14935955
+Whatever, just please be honest with yourself and say your whole MO is to shill for the present established neoliberal world order. Because that's what everything you say and do amounts to.
+--- 14936412
+>>14935327
+The JSP was in a huge rut at the time. They did not appeal in the slightest to the 2/3 of the Japanese population that had nothing to do with labor unions. The countryside (at least 40% of the population back then, possibly a majority) especially wanted nothing to do with them because the Americans had already solved Japan's farmland distribution problem and the LDP was attentive to any remaining issues they had. They were gradually being taken over by labor unions, with very few of their new politicians coming by any other route. They foundered at the prefectural and local level, never making up more than 20% of prefectual assemblymen or 10% of city or district assemblymen. The LDP had resolved its internal issues and would stay united until the 90s. So while Asanuma's death definitely caused the collapse of the JSP, it had no shot at power even before then.
+--- 14936509
+Based samurai.
+--- 14936522
+>>14936412
+https://www.jstor.org/stable/20029420?seq=1
+Source
+--- 14936540
+>>14934134 (OP)
+the fact that he succeeded and did it with that traditional weapon nevertheless
+ya, I'm thinking based

his/14934152.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,99 @@
+-----
+--- 14934152
+And if so, when did it stop?
+Did Charlemagne take women as spoils?
+Vladimir the Great seems to have collected women like this, but when did Russians stop?
+Did Ottomans still take Austrian peasant girls as trophies when they besieged Wien?
+--- 14934224
+>>14934152 (OP)
+--- 14934273
+imagine how fucking bad women stank back then no wonder they were called spoils
+--- 14934287
+>>14934273
+--- 14934330
+>>14934152 (OP)
+Depends on a lot of things obviously. Rapes would be common almost always, unless the army was very disciplined or very pious. The professionalization of european militaries in the 18th century would have been one of the cutoff points, though it obviously still happened afterwards and still does in many places. Permanent slavery only when it's part of your culture. The early medieval franks definitely did take slaves, mostly from slavic people but probably also from the saxons. The ottomans did take slaves all over the balkans - interestingly, german nobles in turn took turkish prisoners as servants and women as concubines, which was considered fashionable in the 17th/18th century.
+--- 14934337
+>>14934152 (OP)
+>Were women really treated as spoils
+Yes
+>And if so, when did it stop
+Stop?
+--- 14934469
+>>14934152 (OP)
+>when did it stop
+After the fall of the Soviet Union led to the Pax Americana. Only gay sex is allowed now.
+--- 14934763
+>>14934152 (OP)
+
+>Were women really treated as spoils of war?
+Yes, but mostly because they were almost regarded as property by men.
+
+>And if so, when did it stop?
+War has become more sophisticated, as has civilization. Women are no longer treated as property in most cultures around the world, and we have developed a higher sense of humanism, the right of man, human rights and natural law.
+
+War has also been confined to a set of rules which mirrors the change in society. A victor does not kill every 1 in 10 men in a city when its captured. Babies are no longer thrown off the city wall. The people are no longer enslaved.
+And as slavery has ended, so has the treatment of people as slaves being the result of war spoils.
+
+Of course some rogue states like Myanmar or states of terrorizing orgins like ISIS did revert back to "the old ways" when genociding, raping and enslaving civilians. These however have been excluded from the global community and often treated with little regard for rules of war by other states.
+
+Difficult to say when it started, its been a long process that has always been in some sense of developement even during the ancient eras. It likely picked up steam when the Enlightment ideas came to in Europe, and was spread by Europeans across the globe during the age of colonialism.
+--- 14934926
+>>14934763
+this post was sponsored by the U.S. Department of State
+--- 14934937
+>>14934763
+>A victor does not kill every 1 in 10 men in a city when its captured
+Good times.
+Didn't they discover women's gene pool is two times as diverse as men's, or something? Indicating that men serious amount of men got purged.
+
+>The people are no longer enslaved.
+In PRC, they have mandatory conscription, forcing soldiers to wear helmets with explosives that can be detonated by officers.
+--- 14934938
+>>14934926
+
+Actually I'm from a Nordic country.
+--- 14934968
+>>14934763
+tl;dr we don't enslave women as spoils of war anymore because it's more efficient to enslave their entire society and create situations in which concubinage and servitude is the most viable social and economic option available to women.
+This is functionally the same as slave raiding but it's impersonal nature makes Westerners more comfortable with it
+--- 14934979
+>>14934938
+>he does it for free
+--- 14935006
+>>14934968
+
+You mean they become slaves to the state rather than to an individual.
+--- 14935034
+>>14935006
+No they become slaves to impersonal social and market forces that somehow have extremely similar outcomes as interpersonal slavery
+--- 14935051
+>>14935034
+
+You did use the word "option" in your post though.
+
+If we're going to be liberal with semantics to describe life, we might as well say we're all slaves of nature since we're forced to toil for daily bread.
+
+Humans today have more options than ever before on how to live their lives.
+--- 14935150
+>>14934152 (OP)
+Pretty sure it’s happening in Ukraine right now and also it is documented in the Yugoslav Wars , don’t even get started on countries like Sudan where it’s self-evident rape is occurring.
+--- 14935479
+>>14934152 (OP)
+>Did Ottomans still take Austrian peasant girls as trophies when they besieged Wien?
+
+No, but they did take Austrian boys
+And during WW1 they took Australian boys
+--- 14935866
+>>14935051
+>you can spread your legs and get raped
+>or you can get beaten and shot
+>it's your choice
+Wow such liberal many progress wow
+--- 14936667
+>>14934152 (OP)
+Yes. 
+Didnt. 
+Yes. 
+Didn't.
+I would assume yes.

his/14934284.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,195 @@
+-----
+--- 14934284
+>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister
+>you WILL worship the otter
+>you WILL kill the tortoise
+Why do certain people pretend this was some intellectual religion again?
+--- 14934295
+>>14934284 (OP)
+Still superior to the jewish triology
+--- 14934312
+>>14934295
+judaism was blatantly based on Zoroastrianism and I'm tired of Abrahamics pretending otherwise.
+--- 14934324
+>>14934284 (OP)
+Because retards like this
+>>14934295 who can't see beyond muh juice.
+>>14934312
+Absolutely retarded. You haven't taken a deep look into either of the religions. Old Testament is as Iron age as it goes with extremely tribalistic God. Its characteristics are way more afro-asiatic than Iranian.
+--- 14934336
+>>14934324
+>Old Testament is as Iron age as it goes with extremely tribalistic God
+Every poleis in Greece had chosen a tribal god, even if some shared one. Judaism was invented by Greeks. Hence the Pharisees whose beliefs in tribalism are reflected by the Parsees- the faction of Zoroastrians that believed only Zoroastrians could birth Zoroastrians and reduce conversions.
+--- 14934364
+>>14934336
+>Judaism was invented by Greeks
+Real retard hours. Look at other Afro-asiatic faiths and you will realise how much of a brainlet you are. Jews aren't even unique in their brand of religion but the brand is far anything Greek or Iranian.
+--- 14934371
+>>14934364
+Idiot take, as expected. Go drink your idiot juice while I leaf over my copies of the Avestan scripts and run comparisons from the Nag Hammadis.
+--- 14934382
+>>14934371
+>Tranime poster is a retarded larper more interested in religious dick measuring than actual religion
+--- 14934387
+>>14934371
+Not him but youre an idiot
+--- 14934392
+>>14934371
+I am a third person, and I agree with the other two that you are retarded.
+--- 14934410
+>all these non-arguers failing to deconstruct my statements
+
+It's like that scene at the end of The One where karate man is kicking the shit out of the weak hordes of seething angry fembois
+
+>I am nobodies bitch
+>You. Are. Mine.
+>*points to all the shitposters
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws8JocOpkvY [Embed]
+--- 14934478
+>>14934284 (OP)
+>t. pajeet
+>>14934324
+>>14934364
+>t. kike
+--- 14934493
+>>14934284 (OP)
+>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister
+wat? Zoroastrianism forbids incest.
+--- 14934498
+>>14934478
+Mate pajeets love zoroastrians, the last few of them are pajeets themselves and hindutva fags constantly lament the muslim conquest of Persia and act all proud over how they're so tolerant and benevolent they let them live in their country
+--- 14934560
+>>14934493
+>In Zoroastrian Middle Persian (Pahlavi) texts, the term xwēdōdah (Av. xᵛaētuuadaθa) is said to refer to marital unions of father and daughter, mother and son, or brother and sister (next-of-kin or close-kin marriage, nuclear family incest), and to be one of the most pious actions possible.
+https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/marriage-next-of-kin
+--- 14934605
+>>14934364
+>>14934371
+QRD?
+--- 14934650
+>>14934605
+>The Nag Hammadis give the name of one of the Pharisees as Arimanios (evil deity in Zoroastrianism)
+
+There are two theories about exactly when judaism is invented but all the clues of invention are omnipresent in the archaeological and literary records. If you belive that some of the archaeology checks out, then it was invented by Persians directly. If you believe that most of the archaeology is fabricated and misconstrued, then it was likely the Greeks in the 3rd century.
+--- 14934714
+>>14934284 (OP)
+Iranian diaspora looking for an identity
+--- 14934724
+>>14934371
+I am a forth person and they are right, you are a retard and a LARPer faggot
+--- 14934727
+>>14934284 (OP)
+If Xawodeh was so prevalent was is consanguinity in actual ethnic Iranians MUCH lower vs the rest of the Middle East/Western Asia?
+>>14934324
+Except Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism. Monotheism or henotheism if you want to be a technical faggot, was already devoutly preached for almost 800-1000 years before any contact between Jews in captivity in Babylon and Zoroastrian Persians in the mid-6th century BC. The Jewish Bible literally has YHVH acknowlewding other "gods" existing, no such similarity exists until after transmission and influence with Mazdasynaian Persians.
+>>14934560
+There is little to no proof of this actually being done by anyone outside of the mobads/priesthood at all. Political marriages between brothers and sisters, sure, but no actual real depiction of consanguity being forced.
+--- 14934742
+>>14934727
+>Except Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism. Monotheism or henotheism if you want to be a technical faggot, was already devoutly preached for almost 800-1000 years before any contact between Jews in captivity in Babylon and Zoroastrian Persians in the mid-6th century BC. The Jewish Bible literally has YHVH acknowlewding other "gods" existing, no such similarity exists until after transmission and influence with Mazdasynaian Persians. 
+What a dumb take. Using superficial similarities to prove "heavy influence". Look at the surrounding of Jews and other near Eastern/Afro-asiatic peoples and you will see where all the influence comes from. Zotoastrianism is something born in Eastern Iran and has more to do with Indo-European beliefs than fucking Judaism.
+--- 14934787
+>>14934727
+>Except Zoroastrianism/Mazdakism did heavily influence Judaism
+One way or another, this is an unavoidable fact.
+
+>>14934742
+>Zotoastrianism is something born in Eastern Iran and has more to do with Indo-European beliefs than fucking Judaism.
+Could you explain how? What do you mean by this? judaism looks pretty Greek. It has ktisis myths, Platonic philosophy, and even chooses Greek philosophy when it could have chosen Semitic.
+--- 14934795
+>>14934779
+>Even during the early chapters the Jew god makes it clear that he is better than other Gods
+His point that other Gods are mentioned is proven though. The rest is not up for debate. Obviously, every group thinks their god is numba wun.
+--- 14934797
+>>14934498
+I see your tricks pajeet
+--- 14934809
+>>14934284 (OP)
+>Why do certain people pretend this was some intellectual religion again?
+Hatred of islam will make people say literally anything.
+--- 14934824
+>>14934787
+>judaism looks pretty Greek. It has ktisis myths, Platonic philosophy, and even chooses Greek philosophy when it could have chosen Semitic.
+You are so dumb it hurts. You are high on new testament which is actually full of greek larp.
+>>14934795
+>His point that other Gods are mentioned is proven though. 
+What point? Do you think Old Testament got it from Zotoastrianism?Judaism gaining these triats has more to do with jewish tribalism than Zotoastrianism thousands of miles away.
+--- 14934851
+>>14934824
+The New Testament is Roman, the Old is Greek. There is no ktisis in the NT for example. 
+
+>What point? Do you think Old Testament got it from Zotoastrianism?
+
+Effectively. What you think of as judaism was carved from Persian stone, probably by Greek hands.
+
+>jewish tribalism than Zotoastrianism thousands of miles away
+
+I don't know why you're pretending that the Persians did not reign over that very area for a lengthy period of time. Maybe you did not know that Persia ruled the Levant at one point? Or that it had been previously conquered by Scythians?
+--- 14934878
+>>14934851
+Please stop making yourself look uneducated and read more. You are picking on superficial similarities because you probably have something against Kikes like Persian shitskin above.
+--- 14934904
+>>14934371
+Brother, I really didn't want to do this, but I have to be the fifth person to say... you indeed are retarded
+--- 14934911
+In my dreams I'm Saoshyant. Creating a dynasty of Uber-Mench through careful inbreeding.
+--- 14934927
+>>14934727
+>If Xawodeh was so prevalent was is consanguinity in actual ethnic Iranians MUCH lower vs the rest of the Middle East/Western Asia?
+
+My nigga Parsis are some of the most inbred people on earth LOL
+--- 14934971
+>>14934878
+It's well attested. 
+
+Read Gmirkin. That's a good starting point. It's apparent you were not prepared to debate these matters and therefore rely on projection.
+--- 14934996
+>>14934971
+>Russell E. Gmirkin is an independent researcher specializing in Greek sources used in the Hebrew Bible. 
+Pssshhhhhh hahaha I am sure I should take this guy seriously.
+--- 14935295
+>>14934284 (OP)
+>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister
+Disgusting! Tell me more about it.
+--- 14935302
+>you WILL fuck your own mother and sister
+Just shut up and take my money.
+--- 14935307
+>>14934996
+He's a respected scholar with years of research and peer reviewed works. I'm not sure why you would trust literal theologians over him.
+--- 14935312
+>>14934371
+My friend, I shall provide testimony as the sixth individual to respond to you now, that you are indeed most certainly a fool.
+--- 14935316
+>Obvious VPN spamming after failing to produce one (1) single counter-argument
+--- 14935365
+>>14934284 (OP)
+The original beliefs were altruistic, but after the iranians consolidated into an empire it became degenerate, same as any religion. You got strange sects propagated by sheltered kings and priests in the cities, while the average villager continued happily murdering snakes and fucking his neighbors wife like his ancestors did. Wait, now im confused, was adultery worse than the incest? maybe the iranians were always weird...and we dont talk about zurvanism right..
+
+Hot take... If there truly was a mandate of heaven, it was LOST when the sassanian imperial line abandoned orthodox masdayasna in favor of zurvanite dualism. Once the ruling Parthian clique converted, the mandate of heaven, so to speak, was lost...
+
+This opened the door of evil, no longer was the supreme good the true virtue, the ultimate goal; now there was good AND evil, equal. The virtuous soul of the Iranian empire, once equal to the romans, was now degenerated, and they were consumed by evil, and so were destroyed.
+
+Note that Christianity and Islam, the ruling religions today, both agree that god is the ULTIMATE good and ULTIMATE power, no dualism. Same with hinduism, even.
+--- 14935399
+>>14934911
+VGH
+
+>>14935295
+>>14935302
+tZoroastrians are part of Zoroaster's clan. Pre-Zoroastrian pseudo-Hindu whatever-the-fuck-ism mandated inter-clan marriage, meaning that you cannot marry members of your own clan, you have to marry exogamously. Zoroastrians being adopted into Zoroaster's clan prevents this. Islamic polemicists accused Zoroastrians of all sorts of sexual indecencies, incest among them. 19th century Western scholars assumed that, because Muslims would never lie about anything, this was obviously true. This would lead to the videogame company Paradox Interactive making "allows incest" one of the traits of the Zoroastrian religion because they couldn't think of anything else to give it. 
+
+19th century scholars found a record of a man marrying his twice-removed niece-in-law (his brother's wife's niece), which many Islamic internet polemcists take as evidence that Zoroastrians practice brother-sister incest.
+--- 14935420
+>>14934911
+>ck3
+kys
+>>14935399
+owari da
+--- 14935801
+>Be Iranian zoroastrians 
+>fail in every movement
+>be iranian shia
+>continously make new movements and rebellions and form kingdoms throughout history culminating in the safavids
+Shia Islam is by far the best iranian religion

his/14934356.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934356
+Is betraying your own family the worst sin for a pagan?
+--- 14934397
+I am sure Thor beat Odin's ass in some Marvel comic.
+--- 14934415
+>>14934397
+Lmk when the next season comes out
+--- 14934483
+>>14934356 (OP)
+yes
+in the havamal it explicitly states that its fine to lie to your enemies but you must always be completely honestly with your friends and family
+--- 14934512
+>>14934397
+When are they doing a crossover bros?
+--- 14934525
+>>14934483
+>Accompanied by Yamaraja, Indra, the Maruts and the twin Asvins, King Yudhisthira ascended to the heavenly region. Upon reaching the heavenly planets, Yudhisthira could not see his brothers. He told the King of Heaven that he did not want to stay there without his brothers and the beautiful Draupadi. Yudhisthira was then taken to the hellish planes.
+--- 14934756
+>>14934356 (OP)
+>every single pagan culture is the exact same on X issue
+gods LARPers are so ignorant
+--- 14934765
+>>14934756
+It's pretty consistent. Abrahamic faiths are unique in that you should literally betray and hate your own family. Peak bolshevism.
+--- 14934826
+>>14934356 (OP)
+Depends on the region. Typically the worst sin considered in a society is that which threatens its core. Its very foundations. For instance kinslaying for the anglo saxons, as the connection of kin was integral to their society. Likewise in the modern day west racism, which threatens the core of multiracial ideology which allows it to work as it does.
+Thus it would be easy to see that it would depend on what part of the world you are talking about. What kind of society it is. But generally yes kinslaying is a big one since pretty much all pagan societies are clan societies.
+--- 14934873
+>>14934826
+>But generally yes kinslaying is a big one since pretty much all pagan societies are clan societies.
+Good explanation
+--- 14934902
+>>14934356 (OP)
+Nigga, “pagan” is too broad a category to really generalize things. However, presumably betraying kin would be seen as extremely taboo in most “pagan” faiths for obvious reasons.
+--- 14934969
+>paganism
+>“Sin”
+
+Sorry Brayden, your mind will always be a slave to Christianity.
+--- 14934989
+>>14934969
+>Cyclops,’ said I, ‘you should have taken better measure of your man before eating up his comrades in your cave. You wretch, eat up your visitors in your own house? You might have known that your sin would find you out, and now Jove and the other gods have punished you.’
+Odyssey, Homer
+--- 14934999
+>>14934356 (OP)
+yeah
+--- 14935016
+>is child sacrifice, a practice that pagans literally practice today, the greatest sin in paganism?
+
+Have I told you about our lord and savior Odin?
+--- 14935023
+>>14934765
+actually Judaism and Islam retain the family loyalty dynamic, it's Christ who came to bring a sword of division, to set father against son and brother against brother because objective morality is not bound by blood - when a man does evil, it is your duty to stop his evil, not to protect him and enable his evil because he is a family member
+if your brother is a pedophile who molests his nieces and nephews, the right thing isn't family loyalty, it's turning him over to the police or lynching him yourself
+--- 14935024
+>>14935016
+Thats literally what your god did. It's a common phonecian(Jewish) practice
+--- 14935029
+>>14934765
+Hot take
+--- 14935039
+>>14935023
+obsessed with pedos
+--- 14935054
+>>14935039
+I can use the same argument dealing with robbery or murder or something if you like and keep pedophilia out of it
+--- 14935060
+>>14935054
+It depends if the family member is doing the "evil" for the benefit of the family or not.
+--- 14935073
+>>14934356 (OP)
+Only if it's dishonorable in the culture. The Ancient Near East judged morality by social rep, not it actually being good or bad.
+
+It was worse if a prostitute changed jobs than if she just kept being a whore
+--- 14935118
+>>14935060
+Benthamite Utilitarianism is immoral, if you argue that the ends justify the means, you abandon the will of God
+Doing the right thing isn't supposed to be conditional on whether it materially benefits you personally
+--- 14935132
+>>14934765
+go read the chapter "have you hated your mother today?" or something in Mitchell Heisman's Suicide Note book. 2000 page long schizo ramble mainly about Christianity being Bolshevist mind virus and liberalism being neo-Christianity. Guy was way too dependent on neechy but he has some incredibly interesting takes
+--- 14935139
+>>14934525
+interdasting
+
+I have always wondered about how different religions handle this seeming contradiction.
+--- 14935152
+>>14935132
+Interesting
+--- 14935179
+>>14934765
+In Islam and Judaism, punishment for apostasy trumps family loyalty.
+
+If the Greeks had applied this principle as consistently as the Avrahamics, their religion might still be around today.
+--- 14935190
+>>14934356 (OP)
+i think losing your honor is. you could probably gotten away with disavowing a family member that was no good but if you accepted your honor being taken away you lost your status as human.
+Until the 19th century men were expected and legally permitted to kill the man if his wife cucked him.
+--- 14935431
+haven't read this yet but seems like it could be relevant to this discussion, has anyone here read yet?
+--- 14935460
+>>14935039
+I mean to be honest, pedophilia is honestly the one thing everyone here can agree is evil. Murder is up in the air nowadays with how many unremarkable-to-useless-to-evil people are running around nowadays.
+--- 14936657
+>>14934356 (OP)
+No, clearly not. Euthyphro was a pagan and he was ready to prosecute his own father for a nameless slave in Athens' island colony of Naxos.
+--- 14936682
+>>14934765
+Very true. Abrahamism essentially hates the very notion of loyalty. When you begin to understand this, all their deceptive and lying behavior begins to make sense
+--- 14936692
+>>14935016
+>child sacrifice, a practice that pagans literally practice today
+
+Oh dear, I'm afraid your Abrahamism is showing again
+--- 14936693
+>>14934969
+Sin is a native Germanic word that predates Christianity. It was used to gloss the concept because it already covered the same thing.

his/14934432.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934432
+Atheism is true.
+
+Also, people on /his/ always say "atheists don't have kids", but this is false. Many atheists have children:
+>Stephen Hawking was an atheist who had 3 kids
+>Dara O'Briain (Irish comedian) is an atheist who has 3 kids
+>David Gilmour (Pink Floyd guitarist) is an atheist who has 8 kids (1 adopted)
+Even if you care about biological children only, David Gilmour has 7 of them. How many do you have? Probably not that many, or else you would be too busy to be on 4chan.
+--- 14934449
+Prove that no god exists
+--- 14934460
+>>14934449
+God was made up. This is clear to rational people.
+--- 14934465
+>>14934460
+Not an argument
+--- 14934466
+>>14934449
+Stop thinking like a woman, The burden of proof is on you. There have been phones with cameras for the last fucking 20 years yet not a single video or picture of anything supernatural captured, and the advance of science has done nothing but disprove the idea of a god.
+--- 14934485
+>>14934466
+>the burden of proof is on you
+>uhh because uhh.. because it just IS! OKAY?!
+--- 14934486
+>>14934464
+Ricky laughs at Yahweh's chest ketchup punishment
+--- 14934489
+>>14934464
+are you white? you're clearly mentally ill, you say we hate "god" and how he apparently lives rent free in our heads, yet i see your untreated schizophrenic ass making at least 2 threads a day.
+--- 14934490
+>>14934485
+classic nta moment
+--- 14934491
+>>14934443
+This, atheists are autists. They have extreme male brain syndrome which compels them to systemizing behaviors, so it’s almost impossible for them to conceptualize abstract concepts about intangible phenomena. Atheists aren’t fully retarded: there’s a clear association with science and atheism, but this is more because western societies are advanced enough to have science and free enough to not kill people for thinking differently. Scientific advancement and atheism are not complimentary, they are both products of modernity. Anyway, atheists are missing a self-reflective aspect of their intellect, which is rationalized by substituting Science! and empirical evidence for actual reason and intuition. If you asked an atheist why they should love their parents, it’ll be some moral relativist mental gymnastics or sociopathic cope about reciprocal social relationships.
+--- 14934497
+>>14934464
+>Kingdom
+Doesn't exist.
+>dogmatic, arrogant
+How ironic.
+
+>>14934465
+It is.
+
+>>14934466
+Very good post and very good image.
+
+>>14934491
+Not reading all this cope, but do you have 7 biological children? If not, then an atheist has more children than you.
+--- 14934523
+>>14934460
+>>14934466
+>>14934489
+>>14934497
+Sour grapes
+--- 14934548
+>>14934491
+>If you asked an atheist why they should love their parents, it’ll be some moral relativist mental gymnastics or sociopathic cope about reciprocal social relationships.
+Anon if you have a logical explanation why you love your parents you are a full blown autist atheist or religious reasoning. 
+It’s purely emotional for normal people.
+--- 14934554
+>>14934501
+So >>14934485 owned you and your response was entirely emotional after being called out for parroting a teenaged atheist's "le burden of proof" statement. Got it X )
+--- 14934561
+>>14934554
+Not him but people claim a god exists and they don’t have proof. There is no reason to believe them.
+--- 14934572
+>>14934432 (OP)
+God revealed to me that atheism is true
+--- 14934600
+>>14934561
+Perhaps the proof isn’t acceptable by modern conventional, empirical standards. But then again, there are many things that humans do with no empirical justification. Also, atheists can’t even disprove the idea of God aside from questioning whether or not he exists: rather than provide evidence to the contrary, atheists simply point to some random fun fact.
+--- 14934612
+>>14934600
+Nothing you said here couldn’t be used to defend belief in fairies.
+--- 14934623
+>>14934612
+Are fairies and an entire religion (with real world history and spiritual teachings) really the same thing?
+It appears that you’re stuck on literalist strawmen, such as that theists’ core belief is that there’s a person in the sky.
+--- 14934627
+>>14934623
+The baggage attached doesn’t actually matter in regards to whether something is real or not. 
+If people made religions about fairies and took it very seriously that wouldn’t make them real. 
+The fairies are immaterial man, what are you thinking of tinkerbell bro it’s way deeper than that bro. 
+You have no proof man keep it to yourself or shut the fuck up
+--- 14934644
+>>14934623
+Lmao I love how you got so assblasted by fedoras talking about skydaddy back in 2012 that you still think people are seriously arguing that Yahweh is supposed to be a physical man sitting on a physical cloud.
+--- 14934656
+>>14934491
+>>14934548
+It's a friggin instinct fer pete's sake.
+--- 14934659
+>>14934449
+You believe in all proposed gods?
+--- 14934661
+>>14934572
+Well, he's an atheist, so...
+--- 14934666
+>>14934623
+>Are fairies and an entire religion (with real world history and spiritual teachings) really the same thing?
+When it comes to the veracity of claims to their existence? Yes, exactly the same.
+--- 14934677
+>>14934644
+That's how he started out. Well, more of a mountain than a cloud, but pretty much the same thing.
+--- 14934840
+>>14934659
+No
+--- 14934841
+>>14934432 (OP)
+No.
+I don't believe in atheism, therefore it's false.
+--- 14935719
+>>14934523
+No. God just isn't real.
+
+>>14934841
+False. You are wrong.

his/14934540.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934540
+Wat do?
+--- 14934546
+>>14934540 (OP)
+I’d probably get killed.
+--- 14934557
+>>14934540 (OP)
+I'd join them, of course
+--- 14934578
+>>14934540 (OP)
+>start speaking fellow Slavic
+>join them
+--- 14934582
+>>14934540 (OP)
+Pray to God to save me and my family (the local priest told us it would work)
+--- 14934594
+>>14934540 (OP)
+If they decide to attack our village, I presume it's because they know we are weak and defenceless. So I would offer commodities in hope of preventing violence.
+--- 14934620
+I can take on two fat guys easily. They would gass out before they could land a blow.
+--- 14934629
+>>14934540 (OP)
+Shoot them, then masturbate for 3 hours and stress eat to regain energy.
+--- 14934994
+>>14934540 (OP)
+call their armour historically inaccurate
+--- 14935040
+>>14934620
+You'd be the first to get split asunder.
+--- 14935055
+>>14934578
+Only if it's in the late medieval period.
+--- 14935079
+>shut the gate
+>they leave
+>if they don’t the lord and like his 5 best bros slaughter them with heavy cavalry
+Sinple really
+--- 14935151
+>>14935079
+Simple really
+--- 14935244
+>>14934994
+What's inaccurate?
+--- 14935250
+>>14934540 (OP)
+Tell them they are my ancestors (:
+--- 14935691
+>>14935250
+:)

his/14934579.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934579
+please explain
+--- 14934868
+>>14934579 (OP)
+Confiscating US and British property so your tin pot dictator could line his pockets with it was a bit rude, innit, Hernando?
+--- 14935925
+>>14934579 (OP)
+Central America was raped by United Fruit, it was like the Trade Federation from Star Wars.

his/14934626.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934626
+The best military leaders are said to have run their militaries "meritocraticly". Napoleon, Shaka Zulu, genghis khan, etc. But how exactly was ones "merit" determined? Kill count? Number of successful operations? What determined ones merit?
+--- 14934673
+>>14934626 (OP)
+>Number of successful operations?
+This + acts of valor i guess
+--- 14934705
+It was whoever the dude incharge thought was capable enough. Everyone of them you mentioned had their relatives and lackeys serve powerful positions despite any merit. Meritocracy in military has always existed in some form or other but opening officer schools for plebs was the first major blow. Now we have to incentivise retards to die on battlefield so they get candy promotions but aren't allowed to get promoted to actual command untill they have had enough experience and they are evaluated by their seniors which is kinda subjective.
+--- 14934739
+>>14934626 (OP)
+Its allowing your soldiers to be savage as possible and award them for it
+--- 14935196
+>>14934673
+>>14934705
+>>14934739
+I've read that genghis khan had a system were men were put into groups of 10 who voted for there leaders and those groups were put in groups of ten, (a total of 100 men), and those 10 leaders voted for a leader amongst themselves to lead the group of 100. 
+
+These groups were put in to groups of 10 (a total of 1000 men) who's leader was chosen by the khan. Is this accurate? If so how commons was this? Was this sort of democratic system common among these "meritocratic" militaries? P.s I'm aware that the top jobs were given to people who were close to the leader. I'm more so talking about middle management and possibly exceptions.
+--- 14935210
+>>14934626 (OP)
+It was a popularity concept like every other society based on inheritance, being tall and acting important. 
+But otherwise it would go to whoever was the best fighter.
+--- 14935217
+>>14934626 (OP)
+>Napoleon
+>pre-modern
+--- 14935266
+>>14934626 (OP)
+>First round selection: Whose son are you? 
+>Second round selection: OK, so you're a nobleman, but can you actually do the job?
+--- 14935308
+>>14935259
+>the guys actually fighting in the first line never get advanced significantly
+/his/torylet
+--- 14935333
+>>14934626 (OP)
+In most pre-modern militaries, it wasn't. Rank depended mostly on social station and money. So for most armies during the Napoleonic wars, officers were literally aristocrats who bought their commissions. But insofar as "merit" was and still is a factor in military advancement, its mostly a mix of showing aptitude for leadership and getting shit done, and sucking up to people in charge. Pretty much the same as any job.
+--- 14935368
+>>14935217
+There's a reason I put quotation marks around pre-modern. I get that napoleon is technically a "modern" historical figure. But when I think of modern warfare I think of ww1 onwards.

his/14934674.txt

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+--- 14934674
+By this, I mean to ask when the people of England were thouroughly anglicized. To my knowledge, English people tend to be roughly half native Celt in terms of DNA, so it’s not like all the Brythonics in England were killed off. Unrelated, but this type of helmet is my favorite. I love the mustache.
+--- 14934697
+>>14934674 (OP)
+I forgot most of what I learned about it but I'll tell you what I can remember.
+The story goes that following the collapse of Roman Britain, a local ruler in Kent was having trouble with either brigands or some other local ruler who he thought was a shithead. So he hired some mercenaries from Anglia and Lower Saxony (regions in northern Germany) to deal with his problems. Mercenaries sailed over, dealt with the problem, but the ruler of Kent didn't want to pay them. I forgot whether they ended up killing him or not but they just decided to settle in England and make money there. Eventually more followed
+--- 14935161
+>>14934674 (OP)
+>tend to be roughly half native Celt
+No. They're about 40% Anglo-Saxon, 40% Gaulish, and only 20% Briton.
+Also Celtic languages themselves were brought to Britain without population's replacement, OG Celts are quite different from Insular "Celts" who are remnants of Bell Beaker culture.
+--- 14935207
+>>14934674 (OP)
+The specific time is well debated, but the general consensus is that it coincided with the collapse of the Roman Empire. Once the Britons were no longer supported by Rome, there was an economic collapse that left many cities empty and vulnerable to Germanic invasion by the Anglo Saxons. They simply moved in and began to live in the now barren cities.
+--- 14935988
+>>14934674 (OP)
+The rescript of Honorius in 414 resulted in the total abandonment of Britain as a Roman province, and they were essentially left to defend themselves from now on according to this document.
+
+The part of Britain that is now England became Anglo-Saxon over a gradual process starting sometime in the 5th century, and by the mid-8th century, when the Mercian king Offa building Offa's dyke, the borders with Wales were for the most part stabilized, although they have changed a bit since that time. Of course, this process was never 100% replacement of the previous population.
+
+After the Norman invasion in 1066, England became occupied by a Norman French-speaking elite, resulting in a shift from Old English to Middle English with a fusion of elements between it and Norman dialect(s) of French. During the reign of Henry I, a document called the "Charter of Liberties" was drawn up, as an agreement between the king and his English subjects to preserve some of their freedoms from the abuses of the Norman Lords such as Henry I's immediate predecessor. This document was largely ignored until 1215, when its existence was brought to remembrance in order to form a basis for a new document called the Magna Carta, formally limiting the absolute powers of the crown, and requiring each king to take an oath to uphold the terms of the charter.
+
+Later, these things were used to argue that England was formally outside of the Imperium Romanum and that England should be considered an empire in its own right, due to the withdrawal of Roman authority more than 1k years earlier. This also meant in many peoples' minds that they were not subject to the Roman pontiff.
+
+Later, when the monarchy became strong, the idea of a glorious Anglo-Saxon past was promoted, and people during this time often emphasized their "Anglo-Saxon" roots. Also, various factions used the Magna Carta as a valid reason to execute Charles I, to oust James II, and to launch the American Revolution against George III.

his/14934680.txt

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+--- 14934680
+Was he correct?
+--- 14934695
+Most based turk ever
+--- 14934708
+>>14934680 (OP)
+Why do Turks act as if they were conquered by arabs or something? It was literally the opposite. I gotta give Ataturk credit for constructing a bizarre victimhood narrative
+--- 14934721
+>>14934680 (OP)
+Reddit tier shit, but I respect that he had the balls to actually do something.
+--- 14934732
+>>14934680 (OP)
+He should have created a Turkish brand of Islam, just like every Muslim country with a "distinct, non-Arab culture" did.
+--- 14934735
+>>14934732
+They did. The Ottomans were barely muslim.
+--- 14934749
+>>14934708
+Turks were conquered by arabs just like the persians, only difference is the persians rebelled and created their own off-shoot beliefs, meanwhile turks still follow sunni Islam. Turks aren't even a real ethinc group, just a mutt race of persians, arabs, Armenians, Greeks and central Asian blood. Turks should have been genocided and killed off forever but Greeks are incredibly incompetent
+--- 14934752
+>>14934680 (OP)
+Yes
+>>14934721
+Retarded drone
+--- 14934769
+>>14934680 (OP)
+The Ricky Gervais poster should make memes showing Ataturk in Hell.
+--- 14934819
+>>14934680 (OP)
+>there is no God
+>God kills him with chirrosis at 57
+i mean, God is a dumb sadist nigger but still
+--- 14934822
+>>14934695
+greek*
+--- 14934830
+>>14934749
+>Turks aren't even a real ethinc group, just a mutt race of persians, arabs, Armenians, Greeks and central Asian blood
+this guy gets it. ataturk just happened to be mostly european and somehow thought he could push all the arabs to be european as well just by getting rid of islam
+--- 14934854
+>>14934749
+Persian shitskin seething in multiple threads kek
+--- 14934883
+>>14934854
+If every t*rk and a*ab was killed, their kids castrated and their women sold off for slavery, there would be world peace. Incredible how such a shit race of people still continue to live on, the shah's of Iran should have taken a genocide campaign to rid the region of such barbarian people absolute scum of the earth, may every a*ab and t*rkish subhuman be cast away and burn in hell
+--- 14934905
+>>14934680 (OP)
+>Turks must honor their people. You were brainwashed by Arab laws and rituals! You live the way they do, you dress like them, you think like them. And that's why we must now dress like Europeans, live like Europeans and think like Europeans instead 
+The most overrates statesman in modern history by far
+--- 14934947
+>>14934883
+You shouldn't waste energy spitting at your monitor Shahram, I heard Iran is going through a food and water crisis. But it's OK us Arab chads will help you out
+--- 14934961
+>>14934905
+I'm not sure if that quote is real but secular Turkish whining about the imposition of religion demonstrates the hypocrisy of modernity like no other people in the world. You have an ethnic group that is intensely nationalistic to the point where they deny every genocide foundational to their country, they casually have fascist parties operating, their ethnic identity is an invention of the 20th century and is just a homogenized group of mutts, and they hate all their neighbors. And yet, Turkish identity and statehood is entirely built on ripping off the European Enlightenment. They claim to be distinct and pure and that's why they must drive out Islam since it comes from Arabia but they have absolutely no issue whatsoever trying to emulate white Europeans in every aspect of life. They even desire entry to the EU. It shows that Turks don't actually care about their claims of ethnic and cultural purity. Like most ethnic groups in modern history they are defined by ressentiment and therefore scapegoated Islam for the failures of their people. Driven by their envy of the superior Western race they renounce their actual historical heritage of Islam and only seek to become like the West -- the failing empire that is currently imploding. I have not seen insecurity quite like what I observe in your typical Turkish nationalist and secularist. All bark and no bite. What a sad, pathetic group of people.
+--- 14935180
+>>14934680 (OP)
+BASED
+--- 14935218
+>>14934680 (OP)
+The ramblings of the Arab sheikhs are still more truthful than the false “Turkish” nation he created lmao
+--- 14935225
+>>14934708
+ack!
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana
+--- 14935231
+>>14935218
+existence of Turkish language just kills the dreams of average "Turks dont exist"
+--- 14935242
+>>14934680 (OP)
+He was wrong in saying that the inhabitants of Anatolia in ~1920 were Turks
+--- 14935252
+>>14935231
+>i speak turkish therefore i'm a turk
+>i speak english therefore i'm a ____
+--- 14935255
+>>14935231
+Turkish language only exists in Central Asia the anatolians spook basically a 99% Arabic language
+--- 14935320
+>>14934695
+That's not saying much.
+--- 14935349
+>>14934680 (OP)
+He was a based WOLF OF TURAN
+--- 14935355
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fSEWAqPvc4 [Embed]
+--- 14935362
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VwLNv6vXr4 [Embed]
+--- 14935367
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXu5loryutM [Embed]

his/14934693.txt

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+-----
+--- 14934693
+The most retarded idea the modern world convinced since its rooted in hypocrisy. Literally everyone did it. Non Greeks appropiated Greek culture. Iranians turned pic related (Ali) into an iranian nationalist which personally is the funniest one for me. Koreans appropiated western culture so hard that they became cultural christians. And finally the 19th and 20th centuries was filled with tinpot dictators appropiating European culture. Where's the outcry when non European and non European descendants appropiate western culture?
+--- 14935157
+>>14934693 (OP)
+You think this is some great revelation? Retard.
+--- 14936111
+>>14935157
+If its not a great revelation why is it being used as a weapon against europeans