Thu Apr 27 08:30:53 UTC 2023

k/57934259.txt

@@ -551,3 +551,28 @@ Ok, but will a horse fit through it?
 --- 57980032
 >>57979613
 Ain't that a pick in the teeth.
+--- 57981168
+>>57980032
+It's 'kick' in the teeth, anon.
+--- 57981986
+>>57972638
+My 5 in
+--- 57982817
+>>57981986
+5 inch bore? Rip shoulder.
+(I get it's a peepee joke)
+--- 57985214
+>>57981168
+Potato potato.
+--- 57986483
+>>57977366
+>tfw no android elf gf
+--- 57988906
+>>57934259 (OP)
+bump
+--- 57988937
+>>57934259 (OP)
+Fuck, wish I had noticed this thread Saturday, will writefag if I get the opportunity tomorrow
+--- 57990519
+>>57988937
+Will do my best to keep it alive, anon.

k/57934267.txt

@@ -1231,3 +1231,162 @@ Stfu Wagner cum socket.
 --- 57980469
 >>57972824
 The Polchad is never unironic.
+--- 57980814
+>>57974432
+Yes
+--- 57980931
+Not a bad gun, could've earned it's place among wonder9s if it got produced some 30 years ago... Right now it's just nothing exceptional and lacks the aftermarket at the same time.
+Someone tell the Poles to make a .30 SuperCurry version, that would give it a bit of spice
+--- 57981233
+>>57934267 (OP)
+Niech zgadnę, potrzebujesz więcej?
+--- 57982840
+>>57981233
+Always.
+--- 57983656
+>>57970773
+
+18 Days
+--- 57984017
+>>57983656
+?
+--- 57985398
+>>57976376
+--- 57985597
+The barrel sticking out of the tip is cute its like a circumcided pp
+--- 57986357
+>>57985597
+The fuck? xD
+--- 57987002
+>>57980931
+>Not a bad gun, could've earned it's place among wonder9s if it got produced some 30 years ago...
+Eh, well...
+>The MAG-95 is a Polish 9mm semi-automatic pistol. Originally designed by Marian Gryszkiewicz, it was manufactured at the Łucznik Arms Factory (Fabryka Broni Łucznik) in Radom. An improved model was MAG-98, and currently is MAG-08.
+>Designed 1993–1994
+>Produced 1995-2000
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_MAG
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buPNir8iHmo [Embed] - Eng subs (CC).
+--- 57987237
+>>57987002
+>The lead designer was Marian Gryszkiewicz. The gun was designed by late 1993. In 1994 prototypes were tested, and an information series appeared in 1995.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_MAG#Development
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__nRkFT5_c [Embed]
+--- 57987470
+>>57987237
+>In 1995 the pistol was evaluated by the Polish Army. It had advantages over a competitor, the WIST-94, such as better reliability, durability and safety (better protection against accidental discharge, when dropped).
+MAG 95 dissasemly.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-ZVM3FaYc [Embed]
+MAG 95 shooting:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_jswsdBKk [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/JKPfhE6YXqQ?t=14 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIGOhpLmmCM [Embed]
+--- 57987641
+>>57987470
+>In 1996 a lighter variant, the MAG-98, was designed with an aluminum frame (initially designated MAG-96), but despite the fact that the Army showed interest, it was still too heavy, by 75g,
+>In the following years, the MAG was produced for the Polish Border Guard and Prison Service (Służba Więzienna) and for the civilian market,
+MAG 98 disassembly:
+https://youtu.be/AYaWP9vwPd4?t=768 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXbBl4XpZE [Embed] - English
+MAG 98 shooting:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bMa2osqfU [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYrddXCIypw [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINE9WW5Moo [Embed]
+--- 57987767
+>>57987641
+>The last produced variant was the MAG-98C, for sport shooting, with a 20-round magazine and adjustable sights. Also, a small series (up to 100 pistols) was made for the U.S. market, with a 10-round magazine.
+>The pistol has a good reputation among users: It is considered a precise, well balanced and durable weapon. Its mass leads to good stability during firing. It was simpler and cheaper than the WIST-94 and, in addition, some Army users preferred the MAG as a personal sidearm.[1]
+--- 57987787
+>>57934267 (OP)
+Retard here:
+Which will win, the grot or the peruna?
+Does the BREN 2 stand a chance since they're all 556 ar-18 clones?
+--- 57987791
+>this amount of shilling for a fucking clone
+--- 57987979
+>>57987767
+>In 2008, the new variant MAG-08 was introduced, with a Picatinny rail and minor other improvements, developed by the manufacturer's successor, Fabryka Broni Łucznik.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_MAG#Development
+--- 57987988
+>>57987979
+>The VIS 100[1][2] (formerly called PR-15 Ragun) is a semi-automatic pistol developed and manufactured by FB "Łucznik" Radom for military and law enforcement personnel.[3]
+>PR-15 Ragun was initially conceived as a replacement for the FB P-64, FB P-83 Wanad and WIST-94 in the Polish military. At first there were plans to modernize the MAG-98 with the help of Works 11, but this idea was soon dropped.[4] Work on the development began in 2009.[5] The design was to be in accordance with the requirements of the Polish military, which were outlined in a tactical-technical document published in 2014. The project's head designer was Piotr Dygas, who was supported by an engineering team which included Paweł Madej and Marian Gryszkiewicz. Both of whom were related to the development of the MAG-95/98 pistol. Despite external similarities to the MAG-98, the PR-15 was actually designed from scratch because FB Radom did not have the technical documentation of the pistol, which was owned by a different company that was bought by Works 11.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_VIS_100
+https://youtu.be/tYLMdyFK5hM?t=493 [Embed]
+--- 57988004
+>>57987988
+>However, the initial prototypes did feature some components from the MAG-98. There were twelve pre-production prototypes manufactured for various trials, including military certification tests.[4] These were also presented to journalist in 2014,[6] which later created some confusion over the origin of this guns design. In reality, the designs are largely incompatible, including their magazines.[4] Preliminary and qualification tests began in 2016.[7] Development of the pistol ended in 2017 and it passed military qualification tests at the end of the year.[5] In December 2018, a contract was signed for the delivery of PR-15 to the Polish army, and name of the gun was changed to a VIS 100.[8] In 2019, the contract was extended to a total of 19,900 pistols.[9][10]
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_VIS_100#Development
+https://youtu.be/tYLMdyFK5hM?t=610 [Embed]
+--- 57988230
+>>57934267 (OP)
+>yet another 5.56 rifle, functionally the same as any other 5.56 rifle
+
+wow
+--- 57988243
+>>57988171
+Learn how to shoot, faggots (more FB shilling for ya);
+Grip.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ew4V2Yg6I [Embed]
+Position.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EXsnt6cDZ0 [Embed]
+Trigger-finger.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVBjObv5ulU [Embed]
+Reset.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1roJwiWQkA [Embed]
+IPSC.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfzIwAuR3pU [Embed]
+VIS 100 M1 Tactical.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKvqunvaGbk [Embed]
+--- 57988258
+>>57988171
+VIS 100 vs VIS 100 M1 - military vs. civilian.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKTndvaCkSM [Embed]
+Burger overview and review of VIS 100 M1 (civilian):
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEVmlk6hStA [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpQENNpnRQ4 [Embed]
+--- 57988520
+>>57980931
+Your choice. ;)
+https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8cHt2FHXzp0
+--- 57988889
+>>57988004
+Some more MAG 95 shooting range footage:
+https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jzFRi6dXp6I
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsdJV1KOZ8 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgjHxT_-GY [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/Qxg74SGLZ_g?t=133 [Embed]
+
+P.S. Older vintage MAG 95 shooting footage:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV5LueCZdL0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPW6YO2_h78 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9fP85ZIm6c [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saYIVVpZ01g [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfswYjzglUU [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiiwCvtjW2Y [Embed]
+--- 57988970
+>>57934267 (OP)
+This absolute sack of potatoes can't even wear his glasses on his head. Plus one of his sleeves is undone and the other is done up. Military photographers need to be pulled from the ranks I swear.
+--- 57988989
+>>57943798
+Its great (person dependant) if you wanna shoot straight (one round). Usually competition shooters will post up on their leg. Not great if you're gonna drown a cunt in wearing body armour with 5.56
+--- 57989245
+>>57988889
+And bonus: some more VIS 100 M1 shooting. :D
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VivDuBRt8LQ [Embed]
+--- 57990117
+>>57947977
+literally why not just use aluminum
+feels like every new assault rifle has to use some fagtastic polymer
+they don't even weigh less
+--- 57990656
+>>57935011
+baza
+--- 57990678
+>schizo thread still
+how to fix /k/
+>introduce flags to filter out nogunz nations
+>rangeban eastern europe
+>rangeban all thirdoids countries while you are at it
+there finally a clean board
+--- 57990688
+My Bulgar AK > some dumb poolak poorly copied POS trash

k/57934893.txt

@@ -623,3 +623,82 @@ the shotgun everyones been putting as underbarrel shotguns in all the new elitet
 --- 57980417
 >>57968175
 I would if the barrel was threaded, would be very aesthetic. If it had a rail, I'd attach a laser too for shits and giggles. It's nice when you have a dedicated range toy because you're not considering practicality just fun.
+--- 57981139
+I think they're comfortable and recoil is nice. long barrels are un-nice to me though.
+--- 57981166
+>>57934893 (OP)
+Polish PM63 RAK, I have a deactivated one I got cheap but would love to actually shoot one, yeah I know it's just an oversized automatic pistol but still...
+--- 57981471
+>>57935003
+Based
+--- 57984014
+>>57981166
+RAK's great, when you get the opportunity to shoot one, wear some shooting glasses, it spits an unholy amount of unburnt powder back in your face very fast. You don't want that in your eye. 
+I always have a sore cheek with litlle black spots all over.
+--- 57984325
+>>57954602
+>>57954623
+havent owned but I've shot it, only shot it in 22 mag and it fucking sucked. I'm all for impractical guns that are fun to shoot but it is horrible to shoot, I have small hands and its still too tiny to get a good grip on. It really feels like you cannot control the thing. Shooting outdoors under an aunning it was loud as shit and it felt like it wanted to get out of my hands because of how tiny it was. Might be fun if the grip were just a bit bigger, and the .22lr one probably solves a few of the issues.
+--- 57984628
+>>57984325
+they make some dumb grips for them that remedy holding it but ruin the sub-sub-compact selling point
+--- 57984651
+>>57984628
+>>57984325
+custom grips are still dime a dozen however, and I love these little pieces of shit
+--- 57984685
+>>57984628
+>>57984651
+these actually seem half decent. They're probably significantly samller than pretty much any other revolver still
+--- 57985683
+>>57935003
+why does wooden furniture make my winky so turgid?
+--- 57985691
+>>57934893 (OP)
+I just think they're neat
+--- 57987584
+>>57985691
+whats the metal looking thing in front of the magazine for
+--- 57987656
+>>57935205
+Long loong maaaaan!
+--- 57988272
+>>57984545
+I'd oper8 with it.
+--- 57988322
+>>57935813
+id just tuck it next to my dick, no one would notice
+--- 57988350
+>>57987584
+Mag folds into the receiver for storage
+--- 57989126
+Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.
+--- 57989213
+>>57944297
+>ninja runnin is teh shiiit!!
+--- 57989321
+>>57942919
+Holy fuck, I've wanted one for a while. 454 Casull falls under the category of ultimate "fuck you" cartridges. The kind off cartridge you use when you're filled with righteous duty and really, REALLY fucking want something dead.
+--- 57989597
+>>57941767
+
+Based and Lithium pilled.
+--- 57989651
+>>57989321
+I got lucky and found mine at a local funstore at a time when I was saving up for a new gun… was originally looking at a 10mm but saw my Alaskan in the case and couldn’t stop thinking about it. Worth every penny. Been slowly trying a lot of different 454 loads through it. Anon… if you get the chance… buy the gun. You won’t regret it.
+--- 57989995
+I just think they look cool.
+--- 57990353
+>>57988350
+ooooh its one of those, it didnt even click that it was one of those full sized magazine whatsitmacallits. if you can carry it like that loaded, very neat
+--- 57990609
+>5.7 Johnson or MMJ
+Would buy this in an M1 Carbine repro that didn't suck.
+--- 57990654
+>>57966012
+A bunch of parts kits have come in lately. Check Bowman arms, Galo inc, Apex gun parts, and Atlantic firearms in that order. I got my from Gallo or Bowman I cant remember.
+--- 57990715
+>>57990609
+the stock not folding bugs me. it really needs a shoulder thing that goes up, unironically. that bars just always point out of the middle of the gun, mag or no mag...
+--- 57990780
+BAR 2.0

k/57939737.txt

@@ -574,3 +574,183 @@ Are there even smiths who could do a proper rebluing that looks just like the OG
 --- 57979503
 >>57943353
 None of the P8A1 imports have ever been in service.
+--- 57981136
+>>57978487
+I'll take the deafening silence as a no
+--- 57981574
+>>57943241
+KBI Tiger?
+--- 57982472
+>>57979482
+Leave it alone. it's fine the way it is.
+--- 57982707
+>>57979482
+>grossly stupid to refinish the broom handle
+Yes
+--- 57983665
+>>57978487
+Way back when Buymilsurp.com was clearing them out for $150 both myself and my father each got one. It's a mediocre PP clone.
+--- 57983668
+Do I have to clean the wood after each shooting session ?
+Or is just wiping with water enough ?
+--- 57983714
+>>57983665
+Hot take the PP is a mediocre pistol but looks cool as fuck which is why it stays popular.
+--- 57983715
+>>57983668
+Nigga leave the wood alone
+--- 57983733
+>>57983665
+Based son winning
+I want to get a PM but already hit my yearly budget
+--- 57983736
+>>57983715
+Ok
+--- 57984462
+>>57983733
+>already hit my yearly budget
+
+kek it's only April
+--- 57984643
+>>57981574
+No
+--- 57984836
+>>57984462
+I have expensive tastes
+--- 57984964
+>go on gunbroker
+>200 minimum for a bubba'd Mosin
+--- 57985000
+>>57984836
+Im saving for a house with the fiance, I told her I was limiting myself to 5 guns this year and to keep me honest.
+
+I'm already at 4 (she knows of 3)
+--- 57985002
+>>57943353
+>I want to talk about my new pistol so I came to a thread that has nothing to do with it
+>>57943310
+>I can’t take a good picture even though it’s a digital camera and I can review the quality of picture immediately after taking it
+--- 57985047
+>all these guys with carbines
+So y’all really don’t care about blowing out the eardrums of the guys in the rank in front of you with your muzzle blast?
+--- 57985145
+>>57985047
+I don't care if my horse is deaf.
+--- 57985809
+I’m taking my friend and her cousin shooting for their first time tomorrow. I think having the first gun you’ve ever shot be a P08 with a trommel mag would be cool right? Other option is an Inglis hi power. I’m also taking an SKS, Ross Mk2 and some .22s for them to play with. I’m going to sneak some tannerite out for them too hehehe
+--- 57985909
+>>57940048
+Bless me with your luck, /k/commando. I'm on the hunt for a number of guns, including a 1903a3.
+--- 57985995
+>>57979482
+No it wouldn’t. If the bluing is worn out and the wood on the verge of cracking away, then refurbish the gun. The grips may need some loving, but that broom handle is a long ways off from needing to be completely redone and far from rotting away.
+--- 57986035
+>>57985809
+>omg anon that’s a nazi gun? are you a nazi? ewwww groossss, we’re going to cancel you now >:( 
+I’m assuming this girl is an actual girl, one born with lady parts and not some mentally ill dude who likes to play dress up and get strung out on home brewed estrogen.
+--- 57986162
+>>57976351
+I got a pretty rough one at a gun show two years ago for around $400. I'd take that as the baseline price.
+--- 57986235
+>>57985047
+I was shocked by how loud the tokarev was was. The recoil wasn’t terrible considering it had wolf 357 equivalents but still was bad enough to hurt mag dump accuracy
+--- 57986651
+>>57986035
+>implying that doesn’t make males superior 
+Enjoy your divorce battle
+--- 57986791
+>>57985995
+>>57982707
+>>57982472
+Last broomstick question I swear: is PPU Mauser safe? I check it’s claimed stats and they look ridiculously hot, like 1500fps which is in the tokarev range.
+
+Can the gun really handle it without firing? For the record bolt stop looks like >>57966595 and didn’t have obvious corrosion or damage, the internal chamber and barrel thankfully lacked corrosion too.
+
+I really want to shoot it for the gratification but I don’t want to lose the gun just after getting it
+--- 57986962
+>>57986791
+> handle it without firing
+Without blowing up or suffering damage I mean
+--- 57987014
+>>57986035
+Yes, she’s an adult human female (biological). I don’t blame you for clarifying since this is /k/ after all. It is a 1916 dated Imperial luger but nahtzee accusations don’t really stick when I can whip out pics of my goy family wearing striped pyjamas. It really pisses jews off when you can usurp their victim status.
+--- 57987029
+>>57987014
+Enjoy being canceled for having a gun and a gun that looks nazee at that
+--- 57987095
+>>57987029
+Implying the average normie woman can recognize handgun models, and at that place then in historical and geopolitical context.
+--- 57987146
+where do you even get a luger
+--- 57987663
+>>57987029
+Lol I will enjoy myself, thanks!
+>>57987095
+Tbf if a normie femoid were to recognize a gun at all it’d be the luger considering they’re in every ww2 movie ever made 
+>>57987146
+At the luger store? Are you slow?
+--- 57988672
+>>57978952
+>keeping it in good working order instead of letting it just rot away
+Nigga are you fucking serious?
+--- 57988779
+What's the best way to check rifling in a store and how do I know if it's good or bad? I already heard of the bullet trick, that shit wouldn't fly where I am and I'd probably get kicked out of the gun shop. I'm looking at buying a Martini-Henry in .303, I asked the guy selling it what he would give the bore out of ten and he replied "I don't know how to check it". The rifle is pretty beat up (missing front barrel bands and borers have eaten some of the wooden handguard, but I'm going to get replacement parts for it)
+--- 57989209
+>>57988779
+Visibility confirm it's clear and make sure the shop boomer sees you cleared it then shine a flashlight down the bore and look at it. 
+
+Also bore condition is the most overrated aspect of surplus guns. If they have defined rifling I consider it totally fine.
+--- 57989417
+>>57987146
+Well, first of all, zoomer, you have to go outside. Nothing you find online will be even remotely reasonable.
+--- 57989624
+>>57988672
+wtf are you even on about
+--- 57989746
+>>57987014
+Nice Luger is it a DWM 1917 by chance? It look's so much like my Luger exactly.
+--- 57989754
+>>57989624
+You don't need to refinish a gun to "keep it from rotting away".
+>>57987146
+Lugers-R-Us
+--- 57989781
+>>57989209
+I have a victory with corrosion at the end of the barrel 
+It ruins its accuracy/fun
+>>57989417
+Literally no shop sells antiques and the few who do sell at worse prices than gunbroker
+--- 57989808
+>>57989754
+Pls tell me if it’s safe to shoot the broom handle >>57986791 if nobody tells me not to and it blows up and there’s one less Mauser then that’s on you for letting a retard shoot it
+--- 57989850
+>>57943463
+For how much?
+--- 57989929
+>>57989808
+It's safe to shoot my C96, I dunno about yours I can't look at it.
+--- 57989999
+>>57986962
+>>57966595
+Bolt stop
+>>57979482
+Frame
+>Picrel 
+Barrel
+I didn’t obvious corrosion to barrel or internals when field stripping although the finish is gone on several parts 
+
+Should I switch out the spring and stop just to be safe?
+--- 57990061
+>>57989209
+Crown condition is probably the most important thing followed by rifling and then pitting. Pitting can be an issue when shooting cast lead bullets though a good lube will help avoid leading. I personally am a bit of a stickler on bore condition as I figure if I'm going to pay over $1k for something with my interests these days, I'm not buying something with a sewer pipe for a bore.
+--- 57990199
+>>57985809
+please have them shoot the .22 first or they'll hate it
+--- 57990211
+>>57989209
+Yeah, that's fair enough. When I bought my SMLE (first gun) it hit me that I had zero clue at what I was looking at. Thank god it wasn't a lemon because I wouldn't have known, I might just find someone who is experienced and see if they're interested in coming with me to look at the rifle.
+--- 57990941
+Beans expended, switching to universal short rifles.
+--- 57991297
+>>57989850
+800€

k/57947492.txt

@@ -917,3 +917,118 @@ You wouldn't see the digging work - the entry sites look like fresh empty neighb
 --- 57980350
 >>57963090
 Thanks man
+--- 57980909
+>>57957026
+>>57972324
+>>57972506
+Have you actually read even just the Planet Dirt stuff posted in this thread?
+Whenever it is mentioned, it is accompanied by some info that makes it VERY clear that the only reason planet dirt is even feasible is exactly because there are ZERO life forms there besides algae in the largest body of water and like 2 species of lichen growing on the ground. Apparently this is like the best case scenario for an off-world base because there is literally nothing there that could harm you and it's just fucking boring and empty there, just dirt.
+The people posting about it always say how much better of a fate it is to go to an almost completely dead/empty planet because you aren't coming down with strange sicknesses. The journey there is already dangerous, so it's kind of nice to only have to worry about boredom on planet dirt. 
+Not sure where you got the stories about lizard people, but I don't think it's connected to planet dirt. It's only redeeming factor is literally that it's empty but livable with an atmosphere.
+--- 57981030
+>>57979493
+Unless the DoD is working on Spooklear weapons, there is nothing going on on the near Eastside of Indy.
+>t. works in Indy
+--- 57981156
+>>57980909
+I think it's mostly bullshit people are making up, based on that one alien picture (pic possibly related) that supposedly got the site wiped a while back.
+--- 57982536
+>>57980909
+ I was the guy who brought up the lizard people, and again I'm not sure it had anything to do with Planet Dirt. It may have been unrelated.
+--- 57982742
+>>57982536
+Lizard people bullshit and "muh aliens are demons" belongs on /pol/.
+--- 57982791
+>>57979316
+do you have any idea how much i want this country to build an actual, honest to god underground railroad network?
+--- 57982846
+>>57982742
+>lizard people bullshit 
+yes
+>and "muh aliens are demons" belongs on /pol/.
+obviously you've never encountered the grays, but also yes. This is /k/ not /x/
+--- 57983077
+>>57963090
+>I will NEVER drop a piece of classified info here wholesale
+Oh yeah, only places with names like "Thug shaker general" have that privilege right?
+--- 57983314
+>>57982846
+Even /x/ has better sense than /pol/, either of which discussion of aliens belongs. This is a weapons board, and the thread is about experimental weaponry, not fucking aliens. That being said, have a wonderful day. I am off to Indianapolis to go play golf.
+--- 57983362
+>>57972471
+>single and currently not sexually active
+Heh where do I sign up
+--- 57983471
+>>57980909
+The aliens thing is obviously bullshit, whether or not Planet Dirt actually exists. Presuming it's orbiting Proxima Centauri, if there's complex intelligent life in the closest star system then the galaxy should be teeming with life everywhere, of every imaginable kind.
+--- 57985513
+>>57968593
+>That's the newest coping strategy of rabid vaxxies,
+one would think there wouldn't be any "new" coping strategies coming from a population that is supposed to be dead from the vaccine
+
+>>57968721
+they can't reconcile the dissonance between the existence of the US military and their persecution complexes, so they invent a threat that doesn't exist to fit into their narrative about the end times.
+
+the most threatening UN entity is the fucking IMF, and that's too busy debt trapping poor countries and being in denial about how fucking retarded neoliberalism is. the WEF is a marketing gimmick, it has no actual power.
+
+there is genuinely no threat to American hegemony, but evangelical christians in particular have a fetish for being persecuted deeply rooted in their religion - when the persecution isn't there, they simply invent it. they are blind to the persecution they visit upon others and a fucking insult to the actual teachings of Christ but that's not unique to evangelical "christians". Paul almost certainly got overwritten by Catholic propaganda early on, since it was harder to get away with editing the actual words of Christ in their favor (though i'm sure they did a bit of it).
+
+information is not really a weapon, but control of it absolutely is
+--- 57986805
+>>57964516
+If we had advanced battery systems, we'd all know it.
+--- 57988105
+>>57972471
+Navy?
+--- 57988420
+>>57983314
+ok boomer
+--- 57988432
+>>57947543
+>flying saucer
+odd way to spell the skunkworks tr-3b mercury plasma craft
+--- 57988444
+>>57947915
+FUCKING FRANCIS E DEC ESQUIRE UP IN HERE
+--- 57988778
+>>57968699
+>I derive my self esteem from inventing bad guys to resist
+>I do not need to think for myself
+>I need only look to my uncle's facebook page to find today's Truth to believe
+Good boy. Go ahead and copy that to three more threads, bud.
+--- 57990226
+>>57947543
+yes
+--- 57990411
+>>57951415
+I have seen tested and functional anti-drone laser weapons from like 10 years ago. They certainly work and have an application but the question I would have is like- how many can you actually have and would they work for a swarm or something? What's the efficacy of that VS lots of miniaturized stingers or something. 
+
+>>57951685
+The major roadblock to useful exoskeleton suits is noise and logistics, it's too many small moving parts that must not have any defects whatsoever and for military equipment must be sourced from an ally or has the potential to or current ability to be domestically produced. Also application is an issue as well- it's really just going to be useful for certain kinds of missions. Due to the difficulty in producing them and the quiet engine problem and limited use case, it's just not going to be a thing yet until we really need to focus on them for some reason. 
+
+My guess the reason would be >>57948162 or an overabundance of loitering munitions.
+--- 57990458
+>>57947543
+Land the spaceship I want to shoot them with my vietnam era small arms
+--- 57990597
+>>57950526
+EMPs as far as I know are incapable of being produced without a nuclear explosion. 
+
+>>57955682
+>biologically engineered super viruses or bacteria are impossible because, i just said so, okay 
+Dude seriously- why do you think that? We can genetically engineer all sorts of things in a lab, animals, plants, etc for what reason do you think it is impossible to genetically engineer simple organisms like viruses and bacteria? 
+
+There is literally a species of tick wandering around in the south with the ability to expose you to a certain kind of protein which makes you allergic to red meat. I shit you not, it's called the lone star tick. If that doesn't sound like an escaped biological weapon organism, I don't know what to tell you. 
+
+That reminds me, parasites! Obviously more complex than viruses and bacteria- but seriously what makes you think they wouldn't modify a pre-existing parasite to be able to infest more people, spread and reproduce easily and be more deadly in a long term context? 
+
+We have grown ears on mice my dude. You've got to educate yourself on genetic engineering. Some people theorize AIDs was a biological weapon. It supposedly jumped from other great apes in 1959.
+--- 57990755
+>>57968812
+If I wanted to make them better, I'd add a cooling system to make them harder to detect through thermal imaging systems- that there expensive stealth paint they put on the stealth aircrafts for smaller radar cross section. I'd give them more than just one munition and I'd design a purpose built munition just for the quadcopters- would definitely upgrade them with the new quieter quadcopter blades for added stealth. Give them a good battery and good motors for that added lift. An evasion button for automatic evasive maneuvers would be good too. I'm sure R&D geeks could harden them to electronic warfare and cyber warfare attacks. Definitely would give the drone an advanced optics package to increase recon capability and target acquisition capability.
+
+Imagine a few hundred mil spec quadcopters sneaking up on your position in the middle of the night all being controlled by a quantum computer artificial intelligence for perfect organization and flight paths and how horrifying it would be to just get absolutely pounded by purpose built quadcopter munitions raining down from the sky like a little localized storm of mortar fire. You may not even be able to return fire, because the attack could come at any time and could be organized to come from different directions.
+--- 57990870
+I'm surprised no one in the thread has mentioned the theoretical doomsday weapon that the soviets considered building / may have built after testing the tsar bomba. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_device Basically a super high yield hydrogen cobalt bomb. Or hundred/thousands of them rigged up to explode in certain locations in order to bathe the earth in radiation so intense that all life on earth would die from radiation sickness. You could also (and this would be very difficult and expensive) build nuclear reactors that are designed specifically to melt down, forever, in the worst way possible. Like Chernobyl, but worse. Maybe build them in key parts of your country so that if you were under nuclear attack, you could set them off and fuck the whole world up with radiation. 
+
+However, nuclear devices exploded at high altitudes result in much more widespread but slower fallout, especially for dirty or cobalt-like weapons. The radioactive isotopes are caught in the natural global meteorological processes which, because of the extraordinary hardiness of the isotope, will cycle many times throughout the condensation and evaporation process, resulting in global spread and the effective destruction of usable water for plants, land animals, humans, and sea life.

k/57947588.txt

@@ -753,3 +753,228 @@ With the sixties, the first generation would be mentally crippled. Taught leftis
 
 
 If you want to get *completely* ahead of all the social, economic, spiritual, and political decay that we're dealing with today you're going to have to go back before the civil war far enough to stop BOTH sides of that political divide from ever coming into being.
+--- 57982602
+>>57980068
+>BOTH SIDES BAD
+yeah stopped reading right there
+--- 57984743
+Nightmare fuel thread
+--- 57984860
+>>57966052
+>>57966038
+Damn those are ridiculously good
+--- 57985055
+>>57965785
+This.
+ITT everyone is going to the cheapest website that lets you type into a box, giving it the most schizo prompt possible, and being surprised when garbage comes out.
+Forget the guns, I've never seen so many people fail to generate normal human faces before.
+
+Guns are mass produced rigid objects that have all been 3D modeled in incredible detail for the sake of vidya games. You almost could not name something easier to train AI on or inpaint into an image.
+--- 57985082
+>>57982602
+Yes, the leaders and politicians of both sides of the civil war were psychopaths, and the best part is most of the confederate psychopaths didn't even lose their power! Huzzah! 
+Oh boy I cant wait to choose between
+ The anti liberty, anti state rights infinitely centralizing (((banker))) faction that will arrest you for disagreeing with them in public 
+VS 
+The schizophrenic Aristocrats and their (((very special friends))) that want to run society as one big prison death orgy while using unpaid labor to gut the emerging middle class and devalue the labor price of the lower class! 
+
+And whoever wins, the number of blacks will increase exponentially! More whites will die in a shorter time than any moment in human history! And the worst men on both sides will remain in power! Yaaaaaayyy!!!
+
+Which way do you want your economic futures crippled, competition with industrialized slavery or devaluation of the dollar? SO many good choices!
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZG7snE7tU&pp=ygUTcmF6b3JmaXN0IGNpdmlsIHdhcg%3D%3D [Embed]
+
+
+Fact is the Civil war was a no win scenario for the American people, and guess what, we didn't win.
+--- 57985312
+>>57985055
+>inpaint
+Careful they'll hurt themselves trying to figure out what you just said.
+--- 57985366
+>>57985055
+> Forget the guns, I've never seen so many people fail to generate normal human faces before.
+>posts an animu face 
+You weebs have brain rot. Stop masturbating to cartoons.
+--- 57985420
+>>57985366
+>"Faces bad!"
+>Posts nice looking face
+>"anime bad!"
+>Posts normal realistic man faces
+>"WHO CARES/AI BAD/SOMETHING ABOUT HANDS"
+It's strange to got through the cycle more than once in a single thread.
+--- 57985439
+>>57951334
+>American company
+--- 57985484
+>>57985055
+>>57985312
+Inpainting is boring and this thread is full of me posting funny goofs and fuck ups using the “cheapest website that lets you type into a box” 
+
+That’s kind of the joke even.
+--- 57985496
+>>57985484
+Isn't stable Diffusion literally free?
+--- 57985579
+>>57985420
+Bro you’re talking shit about faces and posting a generic anime freak as if that’s what faces look like. There’s a reason anime is mass produced by Korean wage slaves, and that’s because it’s literally the easiest most mass producible drawing style that literally any retard can learn in an afternoon. Posting your generic animu jerkoff faces while talking shit about prompts involving actual names faces with multiple layers of paint and accessories on them seems kind of like a bozo thing to do idk. 
+
+It’s like talking shit about a trad painting when all you can do is loomis up some noseless cartoon waifu.
+--- 57985588
+>>57985484
+Oh, I get it, clowns are funny. I almost thought some of the motivation in this thread was a sex thing.
+--- 57985601
+>>57985579
+>The rest of the thread doesn't exist as long as I wish really really hard it doesn't.
+--- 57985612
+>>57985496
+Yeah but I don’t spend a lot of time sitting at my pc and I spend a lot of time traveling and staring at an iPad. As far as I know there’s no free way to have unrestricted access to it on a tablet, other than through probable-scam sites like mage.space. 
+
+If anyone knows a better way on an iPad lemme know
+--- 57985633
+>>57985588
+It’s honestly me trying to use it for something other than a sex thing. Have generated tens of thousands of nudeys and lewdeys and got that out of muh system and now just fucking with the ai and seeing what it’s capable of
+--- 57985671
+Anything you can do with anime faces you can do with human ones. Human faces are harder, but the base models have massive amounts of training on them. It's a pointless argument to have.
+Personally I've just been phoneposting the example images of some chinaman who trained a gun lora, so everything is either anime or so asian it might as well be.
+--- 57985688
+>>57980068
+I actually find funny you are posting this in a thread about one of the trends which has been destroying the middle class for decades now, remember, anyone chilling for the AI either hates you or is too dumb to see where all of this is going.
+--- 57985702
+>>57985601
+No idea what this memes. I’m the op and I’ve posted like most the things itt.
+
+Highlight the ones where the faces don’t meet your standards.
+--- 57985706
+>>57985688
+The only people who hate AI art are artfags, who are 99.9% faggot commies.
+--- 57985727
+>>57985702
+>No idea what this memes. I’m the op and I’ve posted like most the things itt.
+
+>"Faces bad!"
+>Posts nice looking face
+>"anime bad!"
+>Posts normal realistic faces
+>*scream non sequitur or wait a few hours and pretend exchange didn't happen*
+--- 57985742
+>>57985706
+Idk where this idea comes from. Artfags that aren’t reliant on lewd commissions by request are the earliest adopters with this shit.
+--- 57985791
+>>57985727
+>faces bad
+When did anyone say this? Pretty sure you’re the only one that’s said this. 
+>Posts nice looking face
+Must have missed it. Why aren’t you continuing to do that?
+>"anime bad!"
+More or less correct. Anime not good. 
+>Posts normal realistic faces
+Generic nondescript Asian face.
+>*scream non sequitur or wait a few hours and pretend exchange didn't happen*
+I literally don’t know what you’re upset about. Seems like an ego thing. Maybe bc I made fun of your addiction to masturbating to cartoons? 
+
+Like which faces really got your goat? Why we beefin?
+--- 57985821
+>>57985791
+>Generic nondescript Asian face.
+>>57955638
+>>57955653
+>>57955844
+>>57957734
+>>57958119
+Literal goldfish memory.
+--- 57985852
+>>57957378
+Sounds perfect. Katee Sackhoff has a 10/10 body, but a 6.5/10 (7/10 on a good day) face. So that helmet is godsend.
+--- 57985867
+>>57965457
+You're retarded.
+You let your desire to coom cloud your judgement towards this nascent technology which may be the biggest threat to humanity ever devised.
+--- 57985888
+>>57985821
+So some random French guy plugged into a star track template and then I guess the same random French guy with spooky clown makeup is good? 
+
+Like put him with clown makeup in the Star Trek setting. Actually do stuff that challenges the algorithm. Like why are you competing for who can make the most boringest picture?
+
+And you never answered what “cracking the ortega code” even meant so why would I have reason to remember that shit? 
+
+Also like this thread has been around for days and I’ve primarily been posting in it drunk so yeah I literally don’t remember some shit you posted 2 days ago or whatever. 
+
+Highlight all the faces posted ITT that make you feel good about yourself idk
+--- 57985890
+>>57985867
+>None of this was a threat until it threatened to put faggot communist art majors out of work now it's the end of the world
+Oh no!
+Raise chickens nigger.
+--- 57985929
+>>57985888
+>Anime faces Bad!
+>Asian faces Bad!
+>Old man faces Bad!
+>Popular actress faces Bad!
+>Bearded white men faces bad!!!!!
+
+So you're just a retard then, got it.
+
+
+>And you never answered what “cracking the ortega code” even meant so why would I have reason to remember that shit?
+>waaaah waaaaahh wwaaaaaaaaahhh spoon feed meeeee
+
+>>57978401
+--- 57985953
+>>57978691
+It's either genuine loonies or natural language models trained on 4chan posts. Probably both.
+--- 57985992
+>>57985929
+Like seriously I do t actually understand what’s wrong with you rn but just know that I’m rooting for you bro. 
+
+Like without just repeating your same weird angry strawman tirade was there a specific thing you were upset about? 
+
+Also why would you act like a faggot about a pleb doing things wrong and then act like a faggot about refusing to “spoon feed” them on how to do it right? 
+
+Like you’re the one with the unsolicited critique kiddo. If someone asks you to elaborate on the critique and you turn into a sniveling faggot that refuses to do so, that kind of just makes you a jerk if you think about it.
+--- 57986207
+>>57985671
+Like that’s neat as heck looking. Not sure why you gotta bully anyone that axes about it or isn’t creating junk that looks like that yet. 
+
+Keep talking about loras and shit like anyone knows wtf that is
+--- 57986381
+>>57985929
+Also didn’t read this before but bored and found another accidental cat girl and it’s a doozy of a post so will respond now 
+>Asian faces Bad!
+My ideal woman is Eva Green combined with Hellen Mirren when they were at their peaks. Euro dommy mommies with big ol milkers to bully me with. 
+Asian girls look like dickless boys in comparison.
+>Old man faces Bad!
+Don’t want to fuck old man faces. Don’t think it’s funny to generate images of old men shooting guns. That’s not subverting anything is it?
+>Popular actress faces Bad!
+Literally every single thing posted itt has been popular actresses with guns and Shit on their faces.
+>Bearded white men faces bad!!!!!
+You already did the old man faces but now you also want to stress that they’re bearded and white? What kind of faggot steps into a holodeck and asks to be surrounded by bearded old white men? 
+
+Like honestly what in the fuck are you talking about? How are you upset about a bunch of images of lewd women with “guns?”
+--- 57986402
+>>57965827
+it's gotten a helluva lot better
+https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/10g1wpi/1_year_ago_vs_today/
+>inb4 reddit
+--- 57986433
+>>57986207
+multiple people post in a thread, the guy who keeps bickering with you has been posting greentext and no images.
+In my posts I was just responding to the OP question. Yes, it can make good guns, just not for anyone who tries to make AI art like this >>57947767
+--- 57986520
+>>57986433
+What’s wrong with >>57947767 ??
+What’s wrong with seeing what happens when you put a whole Wikipedia entry for a weapon into the prompt? 
+
+Someone even said the weird ww2-contemporary look caused by wiki entries for the m16 and at4 was a cool look at some point.>>57948362
+
+Literally what is wrong with the elephant trunk awooga rifle?
+--- 57988139
+>>57985890
+>chikins will save me from the lovecraftian all-encompassing superintelligent entity
+this has got to be b8 lmao
+--- 57989919
+>>57988139
+>Guys guys algorithms that can recognize what a face look like are an invincible god monster going to destroy us all!!!
+>Yes I did only start worrying about this when my commie nonjob was threatened, why?
+Post your gun faggot.

k/57948734.txt

@@ -1064,3 +1064,155 @@ gm /euk/
 --- 57980058
 >>57976175
 I will also go before work. I have a new bolt to test
+--- 57980580
+>>57980047
+Gooood morning
+--- 57980715
+>>57973782
+stop being a noguns crybaby and join a club or get a hunting license
+--- 57980753
+Whomst /belgium/ in here
+--- 57980887
+>>57980753
+Almost, all gunshop owners in /france/ are ASSHOLES, I buy everything from Belgian gunshops because they're cool and there's not much extra paperwork needed, and they always offer me a beer and a frite when I come see them.
+--- 57980896
+>>57980887
+I can even imagine how you saying that with your French accent
+--- 57980924
+>>57980887
+I don't think it's thing exclusive to the French. A great deal of gunshop keepers regardless of locale tend to be geriatric asshole retards. Just the way it is.
+--- 57980999
+>>57980887
+Based
+--- 57981517
+Speaking of Belgium, is FN not selling guns in Europe?
+The only way to buy an FN pistol here seems to be to import one from FN USA.
+--- 57981536
+>>57981517
+I think it depends on the country. I saw some french ads for their FN15 and m16a4 rifles but for example here in Italy I can't find them anymore even though looking at our proofhouse they have gotten imported before. Both were FNH tho.
+--- 57981555
+>>57981517
+FN Herstal (Belgium) is majority owned by the left leaning wallon government. They don't sell to civilians.
+--- 57981588
+>>57981555
+I feel like any gun company shouldn't be allowed to sell to any government any product that they don't also sell to civilians.
+--- 57981680
+>>57981517
+>The only way to buy an FN pistol here seems to be to import one from FN USA.
+
+Yes.
+
+Prices in France:
+>SCAR-L: >5000€
+>SCAR-H: >7000€
+>Five Seven: >3500€
+>shitty polymer FN-509: >1000€
+--- 57981690
+>>57980753
+You, AUG, Molenbeek
+--- 57981779
+>>57981680
+Damn, here the new scar h is 4500 euro
+--- 57981968
+Is the mav 88 the only Cat C pump shotgun ?
+--- 57982062
+>>57948734 (OP)
+For me, it has to be the PDW-R
+https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/PDW-R#Battlefield_3
+--- 57982087
+>>57982062
+It's a FAMAS.
+--- 57982179
+>>57980887
+>they always offer me a beer and a frite
+Based
+
+I also prefer to buy locally. Instead of going to Berlin and being looked at funny because I am not a hunter, I buy my guns through a dude who sells guns and ammo out of his guest bedroom.
+--- 57982379
+>>57982087
+no u
+--- 57982469
+>>57980753
+>belgie
+--- 57982561
+>>57952426
+>german attempt on semi-auto?
+AfaIk it's "just" another "assault weapons ban", not a blanked semi auto ban. But so far nothing much has happened.
+--- 57983983
+Dinner bump.
+--- 57984714
+Reminder, Europeans have no natural freedom. They only have stage approved temporary lease. America has actual defacto and natural freedom.
+--- 57984842
+>>57984714
+>temporary lease
+Nah, even if my license expires they cannot take my guns away unless I committed a crime that warrants me losing the ability to own guns. 
+You on the other hand hare the right to almost die in a school shooting, get into lifelong debt for a few stitches at the hospital just to go home (which you pay rent for) and on the way meet a LGBTQIA+/BLM protest, you refused to kneel for them, so now the american justice system (twitter) has canceled you and you're out of a job.
+You finally manage to get home only to find cops outside you home about to take your guns as your ex-gf filed a complaint about you so now red flags law go into effect.
+Tired you go to bed and slip away into the world of dreams while listening to the evening news announcing that the latest assault weapons ban has passed with full votes. Youhope you won't wake up.
+--- 57984954
+>>57984714
+Yes.
+And if you were in our shoes you would do nothing against it too.
+You didn't win that freedom you only reap the fruit of your distant ancestors.
+Remember how you pantsies coped during the 2020 chimpout? So what use were your rights to you?
+So get off the high horse.
+--- 57985304
+where's my KSI bro at
+i lost your phone number and that mail you sent me once
+--- 57985460
+>>57960358
+Chud meme is literally me though
+--- 57986107
+>>57969074
+>308 ammo is expensive
+It is, but .308 WinMag is fucking comfy
+--- 57987144
+Quick question for German anons:
+I’d like to buy a gun from an Austrian arms dealer. Any gunsmith can import the gun for me, right?
+--- 57987164
+>be eurofaggot
+>need loicense + time to get a firearm
+actually pathetic lmao
+also
+>euro fag general pops up after ukraini war starts
+begone touristen bandera
+--- 57987241
+>>57987164
+Somebody ask for lightning link blueprints? Ah yes here are the lightning link (tm) blueprints you specifically requested
+--- 57987318
+>>57987144
+I'm neither German nor Austrian, but arms deals within the EU are easy. You could even do it yourself, because it's technically not even an "import", we're citizens of the same union fren, simply both sides have to handle paperwork on their side.
+
+Depends how much the gunsmith will charge, some are honest and essentially charge you for the paperwork, counting on you to return and buy stuff, many are assholes and will treat it like a sale and will expect a large profit margin, despite you literally providing the offer and demand, in which case you're better off handling it on your own.
+
+Of course, the Austrian arms dealer must be willing to deal with his side of paperwork, no one else can do it for him. Perhaps start there, and you may as well ask him if he's done it before, and which German gunsmith handled it. But I doubt they'd turn their back on a good sale.
+
+I'm myself about to buy some Zero1 mags straight from Arex in Slovenia.
+--- 57987341
+>>57987164
+This one of your friends? Begone, newshit
+--- 57987527
+>>57987341
+>thinks i would ever own a ptr
+sad excuse of a rifle that barely works
+Post nods + gunz touristen
+--- 57987533
+>be russian
+>no guns
+--- 57987749
+gn /euk/
+--- 57988047
+how would I go about getting my hands on an AR-M1
+t. czech
+--- 57988131
+>>57988047
+forgot pic
+--- 57989289
+>>57948734 (OP)
+test
+--- 57989396
+>>57948734 (OP)
+test
+--- 57990313
+>>57988131
+Savon Mutka in Finland plus a lot of import shenanigans

k/57949084.txt

@@ -835,3 +835,338 @@ Especially that stannis is the antithesis of putin
 If you were that worried about archers couldn't dragons just drop burning shit from way outside bow range?
 
 Fuck, just get a huge bag of rocks and blast them before you drop them, that dragon fire is so hot they'd probably still be red hot when they hit the ground.
+--- 57981902
+>>57980090
+They don't even seem to damage the dragons, just the rider
+There is a scene where he lands in the middle of the clearing and burns some guys, then within a few minutes archers somehow come out of the surroundings and rain down arrows, guy gets slightly injured and flys away instead of coming back at an angle to burn the archers 
+BS
+--- 57981967
+>>57980090
+>just get a huge bag of rocks
+we tried that in WW1 with flechettes
+the chances of hitting a man are infinitesimal
+far far better to throw incendiary bombs ie wildfire pots
+--- 57984984
+>>57981967
+We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless, and by then infantry was 100 times as spread out as in medieval battles.
+
+Also, dropping heated rocks or burning wood would set structures ablaze, slingers did this during sieges and naval battles already. Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold?
+--- 57985310
+So if GRRM die, what would happen ?
+--- 57985346
+>>57949084 (OP)
+By reading a better series. (LOTR)
+--- 57985375
+>>57985346
+Both are good but they are different 
+ASOIAF is more "sandbox", it feels like reading history of an fantasy universe while LOTR is like a long awesome adventure/journey
+--- 57985379
+>>57974836
+
+For Daenerys, the comparison is actually quite fitting.
+
+>impulsive
+>neurotic
+>mentally unstable
+>messiah complex
+>incapable of understanding what actually caused her dynasty's downfall and goes about repeating the same mistakes, sometimes on a larger scale
+--- 57985709
+>>57985379
+Also use an army of eunuch/raped men and steppeniggers
+--- 57985826
+BaratheonChads 
+How do we defeat dany the whore and her flying abominations
+The mannis has a plan for this right ?
+https://youtu.be/ep009ll9BgM [Embed]
+--- 57985840
+>>57985826
+>How do we defeat dany the whore and her flying abominations
+It's easy, wait for her to be retarded or for you to develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
+--- 57985880
+If I were Stannis I'd pledge loyalty to Renly and also not be a raging sperg turboautist. Also Davos would keep his fingers.
+--- 57985898
+>>57985840
+>develop hypersonic Ballista and teleporting boats.
+It did BTFO Dragons in the books/lore, 
+Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes, who was 10 times more strong, big and resistant than Dany Dragons, or during the dance, a mercenary fleet managed to take down a dragon too
+Also Stannis will have the North with him and it is said that stark made weirwood arrows can kill dragons (the same way dragonglass kill wights/others, you know ice magic VS fire magic)
+The brother of Torrhen stark intented to defeat the dragons like this if they were going at war with the targs (or just infiltrate targ camp and slice their throat at night)
+--- 57985914
+>>57985880
+Gigacucked 
+Stannis is the rightful heir 
+Renly is a war virgin while stannis is a veteran commander and imagine if people discovered he was gay
+Renly should have submitted to his brother and accept to be lord of storms'end
+--- 57985940
+>>57985898
+What is it with fantasy settings and exaggerating the power of scorpions/ballistae by a factor of a thousand? Most on screen fantasy scorpions are more powerful than fucking bombard cannons.
+--- 57986011
+>>57985840
+>hypersonic Ballista
+kek
+
+>>57984984
+>We did it from WW1 to Vietnam, so obviously it wasn't useless
+You mean we tried various ways of doing it to see if we could ever unfuck it, and we don't do it any more now, because FOR NOW we know it's suboptimal. Somewhere in the future someone might come up with, I dunno, a hypersonic delivery system, and then the question will come up again. But that doesn't mean flechettes are or were ever a good idea.
+
+>Wildfire would be a huge waste of resources when you've got unlimited dragon fire available. You can ignite or super-heat anything for basically no cost and dump it on the enemy, why use something worth more than it's weight in gold
+Okay, then drop the traditional medieval combustibles, pitch jars. The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
+--- 57986024
+>>57965209
+Half of the posts on GoT threads in /tv/ are from pedos.
+>>57985880
+>pledging loyalty as the ture heir to the throne to some usurping fag who clearly intends to kill you.
+--- 57986032
+>>57985898
+>weirwood arrows
+unproven wunderwaffen
+>Dornians used Scorpions to kill Meraxes
+hundreds of them
+>>57986024
+>Half of the posts on GoT threads in /tv/ are from pedos
+how? why? GOT threads on other boards are comfy
+--- 57986072
+>>57986032
+Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes who was one of
+>unproven 
+It was never used so may never know and given the Ice VS Fire magic thing in ASOIAF, im sure that it can kill dragons
+Like Dragonglass is a magical fire weapon that can kill wights/others and they ice magical creatures 
+>>57986024
+This for both opinions
+--- 57986133
+>>57986011
+>The point is that burning liquid splashes over a far greater surface area than a bloody rock.
+Red hot stones are actually fantastically good at starting fires. 
+Why did slingers use heated stones instead of jars of pitch?
+--- 57986143
+>>57950483
+>11/10 witch pussy
+>no worries about dealing with the spawn
+Perfection
+--- 57986183
+>>57986133
+can't sling jars of pitch
+also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
+over time with enough ammo you can get a good fire on the field itself
+but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
+
+>>57986072
+>It was never used so may never know
+>im sure
+uhuh yeah
+
+>Yet only one shot was used to kill Meraxes
+the question is one of efficiency; you can argue that a man dies to one bullet from a revolver, same as he does from a belt-fed machine gun; does that mean a pistol is as good a weapon of war as a belt-fed machine-gun?
+
+HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
+--- 57986191
+>>57986143
+Pussy is valuable in exact proportion to it's ability to give you strong heirs. 
+Imagine going through all the trouble of having sex with a magical creature and it cant even give you magical princes.
+
+The hottest sterile <<<<<<<<<<< Any psychic space octopus that gives you chad Cthulhu children
+--- 57986199
+>>57986191
+>t. based only have sex for procreation tradhusband
+--- 57986206
+>>57986032
+Started flooding threads during House of the Dragon and would not leave, they were obsessed over a bastard child that became dragon food in the last episode. Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
+--- 57986209
+>>57986183
+>also, trying to start fires with heated stones? yeah just ask any innawoods dude how "easy" that is
+Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire, dipshit?
+
+>but it's not a shit-hot antipersonnel round if that's what you're thinking
+Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE?
+--- 57986236
+>>57986032
+They constantly talking about how the actors are cute
+--- 57986242
+>>57986183
+>HBO Scorpion was insane efficient compared to Book Scorpions.
+Even the art director or whoever was like "yeah they can fire at targets miles and miles away".
+It's like in Lord of the Rings the movie, where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a nigger, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall. You couldn't do that with a fucking naval gun from the 1800s.
+--- 57986245
+>>57986191
+Spoken like a gay cuck 
+>also muh chad
+Comfirmed gay cuck
+--- 57986260
+>>57986245
+Impregnation is the only sexual thing a man does that isn't cuckoldry.
+--- 57986267
+>>57986183
+The comparison is that if Meraxes got shot by a Scorpion
+Then Dany Dragons would be sliced in half by a Scorpion
+
+According to the Lore logic, when Bronn shot drogon during the fire battle, it should have killed him right on the spot
+--- 57986279
+>>57986260
+You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds 
+
+Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons" 
+You speak like a gay cuck because your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics, not moral or logical things
+--- 57986283
+>>57986209
+>Didn't this start with a discussion of a SIEGE
+yes, then it wandered in the direction of flechettes in WW1 and Vietnam, which sort of opened it up to use in the field, don't you think?
+but okay let's go back to a siege - once again, you'd use combustibles like pitch jars and carcasses*, rather than (sigh) fucking rocks
+>*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcass_(projectile)
+
+>Do innawoods bushcrafters routinely have access to red hot stones before they've built a fire
+gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
+
+all this fucking around because you read somewhere that slingers throw heated stones, so you refuse to use what everyone else did. you scratch your nose by reaching round your head too?
+--- 57986301
+>>57986279
+>Not because of "muh gay feminine chad sons"
+What the fuck are you talking about nigger? 
+
+>You impregnate to create a family and descendants that will continue your deeds
+Yes, thats what I said.
+
+>your motivation for impregnation is aesthetics
+Chad is a byword for success, dominance, and masculine behavior, you seething retard.
+--- 57986315
+>>57986283
+>gee let me think, do bushcrafters set rocks on fire, or set wood on fire, when they want to build a fire, shit for brains
+hahahahaha this has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
+--- 57986339
+>>57986236
+/tv/ is coomer central, TBF
+
+>>57986206
+>bastard child that became dragon food
+is that the ugly girl?
+but she's old by then right, if I remember my Dance of Dragons correctly
+
+>>57986242
+>where the Uruk Ballista fires a man sized bolt a quarter mile, hits a nigger, picks him up, and continues with the extra 200 pounds of weight like a hundred feet straight backwards until it runs into a wall
+yeah but that was fun tho
+>You couldn't do that with a fucking naval gun from the 1800s
+you can
+naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
+
+>>57986267
+rational
+depends what kind of scorpion
+the one that Bronn wielded was pretty damned big to be fair
+--- 57986352
+>>57949137
+>Are we ever getting a conclusion to the series, bros?
+Series are actually good. 9000 times better than TV.
+Fucking left on cliffhanger.
+All that Arya character development but no putting her into action
+Can we strangle that lazy fat fuck?
+--- 57986413
+>>57986339
+>you can
+>naval guns were effective at one mile, deadly at a half mile, and at musket range would punch holes in two feet of hardened oak
+You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance. leaving aside the fact that the man should have been blown apart, moving an object of that weight a significant distance with a ballistic impact is absurdly difficult. Inertial forces are orders of magnitude removed from energy output, bullets are way less effective at moving objects as they are at tunneling through them.
+--- 57986568
+>>57986352
+--- 57986594
+>>57986413
+>You couldn't specifically fire a projectile that distance, pick up two hundred pounds of extra weight, then continue on a significant distance
+yeah fair enough
+
+I found the scene though, it's a grapnel hook that shoots him off the battlements, he doesn't get stuck against the wall, so... theoretically possible with a blunt enough projectile at the end of its force
+--- 57986867
+>>57986301
+Not now
+Everyone seem to call gay cucks to be chads 
+Even the steroypical chads are subhuman gay cucks 
+They not masculine 
+
+But then again 97 % of the population are feminine gay cucks with no morals so who knows..
+>>57986352
+Show died with Tywin
+I dont get why normies think only 8 was shit when 5-8 were all dogshit and 5-8 is not canon anyway
+--- 57986886
+>>57986339
+Sp has far better taste in terms of cooming desu
+>bronn scorpion
+And it was only regular bolts 
+Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
+--- 57988267
+>>57986206
+>Maybe it changed in the past several months after I left, but I ain't going back there now.
+it didn't in fact they started tripfagging now. Even /got/ bran fujo's weren't this bad. I keep reporting them for avatarfagging and spam but janny literally doesn't do shit.
+--- 57989546
+>>57986886
+>Imagine if it was weirwood bolts
+it would do nothing, and then the archer dies hilariously, like another Horn of Joralmao situation
+--- 57989873
+>>57989546
+It would do something
+Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it, especially if you think about the fire vs ice thing
+And there is archers in ASOIAF that deal massive damage compared to regular archers due to the difference of their arrows wood
+So why not weirwood ?
+--- 57989900
+>>57989873
+>Otherwise GRRM wouldnt have mentioned it
+lmao dude this is the series most well-known for red herrings besides the gore, sex and betrayals
+
+>due to the difference of their arrows wood
+bow wood, anon, not arrow wood
+--- 57989946
+>>57953214
+--- 57990009
+I thought Stannis was fairly weak, wasn’t he? I remember him being described as a solid, competent leader but lacking charisma. He had witch support but wasn’t really strong enough to win the war. As I recall the witch was backing him because she mistakenly believed him to be a prophesied chosen one lol.
+--- 57990030
+>>57990009
+He's an excellent military commander and would make a fine general, but his weakness has always been his lack of charisma and diplomacy.
+--- 57990049
+>>57990009
+Yeah, she kept sucking his essence to make shadow shits that kill specific individuals. That's the only way he actually accomplished anything in this rebellion.
+It'll be interesting how Jon makes Longclaw into the chosen one master sword. My money is him killing Danny then dunking on the others.
+--- 57990292
+For me, I'm glad the entire Targ dynasty is wiped out
+--- 57990307
+>>57990292
+>wipe out the only people who can ride dragons
+>in a world with dragons
+Targs are like nukes, if someone else has Targs and dragons you're fucked mate
+--- 57990342
+>>57962553
+This is why im so hesitant to write. Ive planned most of my story and have about 12 books worth of varying lengths but im afraid it will be flawed as fuck and if I attempt to fix it i end up like GRRM. IWNBAn author...
+--- 57990377
+>>57990307
+Based on what we've seen, only Targs had the capability to actually control Dragons and there's only one living dragon left(to anyones knowledge)
+
+At best you have a wild animal you can maybe once let loose on your enemy and hope that it doesn't fly back and fuck you up
+--- 57990473
+>>57990009
+He is the chosen one
+--- 57990482
+>>57990292
+This
+Fuck targatroons 
+>>57990307
+Targs are notoriously very shit at war when they dont have dragons anymore
+Aegon would have never even beaten the Durrondons whitout Dragons
+>>57990342
+GRRM let his mind think a lot before writing the evolution of the story 
+Thats why it takes so much times 
+But if you write from the beginning, it shouldnt take long
+--- 57990503
+>>57990377
+>>57990482
+The point is that
+>only Targs had the capability to actually control Dragons
+and it's unwise as we have seen to bank on either dragon or Targ extinction
+it's like, what if we believe we've managed to destroy all nuke tech, so because of that we dumpster all ICBM tech, on the assumption that surely nobody anywhere has managed to kept a nuclear-tipped ICBM hidden somewhere, SURELY...
+
+>>57990342
+>planned
+(Over)planning is the death of writing.
+--- 57990525
+>>57990503
+Not only targs 
+It just a valyrian thing and also there is some magical objects like euron has that can control them too
+As for your point
+Just develop anti dragon weapons/tactics
+--- 57990548
+>>57956436
+Stop watching a bad TV adaption you stupid fucking monkey
+Shut the fuck up, stop typing, start reading

k/57955698.txt

@@ -313,3 +313,138 @@ FOR TORCH CUT STAMPED STEEL AND A 1.5" SQUARE, FOUR INCH LONG BLOCK OF 4140 MILL
 --- 57980075
 >Chopped up toy cap firing M16
 why? also UK i'm guessing
+--- 57982301
+>>57978292
+Yeah, BBs bounce on hard surfaces so it's dumb to shoot steel with them but making a BB gun target is easy AF. Get a cardboard box, put some old clothes or newspapers/magazines in there, tape the box shut. Tape or thumbtack targets on the outside, or fuck it and just draw a bullseye on the box with a marker. BBs go through the cardboard and get stuck in the wadded up paper or cloth inside. If you want to be super safe you can put a piece of plywood or a book at the back of the box to act as a backstop. This works great for BB guns and many pellet guns too.
+--- 57982361
+>>57976075
+>furniture
+The grip you like (I prefer afg, but it's up to you)
+A light you like (I have a intellibeam, but it's up to you)
+The sighting optic you prefer the most. (I like holographics so I've got a 512, but it's up to you)
+--- 57982375
+>>57977595
+>Would the recoil inducing ones or a death grip mitigate that?
+The recoil-inducing airguns don't feel anything like the real deal, and a "death grip" is outright bad technique that you don't want to be teaching yourself. Here is a good example. Watch these fools try and shoot a super hard recoiling revolver. Note the young guys are trying to "death grip" the gun--you can really see their arm muscles bulge out when they grip the gun, yet they still can't control it for shit and they nearly lose hold of it on more than one occaision. Then watch the old man shoot. He's got noodle arms by comparison and he's not trying to death grip the gun. But he can shoot it much better and he never loses control over the gun because he allows the gun to rise to absorb the recoil rather than trying to fight it with a death grip. Raw strength or "death gripping" the gun is never the answer.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XEsamEcJn0 [Embed]
+
+That said, I think airguns are excellent for learning marksmanship. They are cheap to shoot so you can get a lot more time behind the trigger. Also, because their muzzle velocity is usually a lot lower than that of a real gun it's much easier to pull your shot off target if your hold isn't correct. Shooting airguns really forces you to get your fundamentals correct. This is especially true if you pick up one of those super accurate match pistols or rifles like they use for olympic competition. Those will put the pellet in the same hole every time so ANY sort of deviation from that is 100% to be the shooter and there's no blaming anything on the gun or "group size". You still need to train with a real gun as much as you can as airguns aren't giving you the whole experience, but I do think they are great for learning fundamentals.
+--- 57982481
+Im stupid and haven't ever been to an indoor range before. Do they allow you to pickup your own spent brass in most places. Also for a single stack pistol how many mags should i have for a good hour at a range?
+--- 57982496
+>>57982481
+Just bring the ammo and get a $30 upLula universal hand loader to save your thumbs. If it's a store/range they'll definitely have them for sale. No need to bring 10 magazines lmao
+--- 57982515
+Aluminum frame 1911s. Are they worth it or a bad idea? Would frame cracking be an issue?
+--- 57983929
+I'm trying to make an M-16A2 clone, but I have a set of PSA handguards that are too thick. They're almost M4-profile thick, it's crazy.
+Who sells a decent set of "skinny" rifle-length A2 handguards?
+--- 57984089
+Glock 34 over a 17? Just for keeping at home and the range, not concealed carry.
+--- 57984128
+>>57984089
+If you're not carrying it there's zero reason to take the 17. Go with the 34, it has a better sight radius and higher capacity.
+--- 57984150
+>>57984128
+Cool, thanks! Haven't gotten a chance to shoot a 34 (no one has one to rent around here from what I've seen) but the videos I'm seeing make me think if I'm comfortable with a 17 then a 34 will be fine. And I asked in the last QTDDTOT about a non-flush slide lock for a 17 but the 34 looks like it solves that issue
+--- 57984183
+>>57955698 (OP)
+What would the counter-offensive theme's song be when it begins ?
+--- 57984576
+>>57980075
+Might be an Armi Jager as well. Sad becaues I want one despite its retardation and low quality.
+--- 57984604
+>>57980075
+And a reverse selector because WHY THE FUCK NOT? BTW I felt one once and pushed the selector the normal (wrong) direction and it felt like the parts were bending and about to break under mild pressure. It's a zamak/zinc gun.
+--- 57984624
+I've been using a milspec trigger on my AR since I got it and I want to upgrade.
+Should I stick with a single stage because I'm used to it or try a 2 stage since they seem popular?
+--- 57985036
+>>57983929
+Fulton Armory has some good quality commercial A2 handguards, as well as some USGI surplus ones in good shape for a fair bit more.
+--- 57985125
+>>57985036
+Thanks fren.
+--- 57985238
+>>57968809
+>Is checking the barrel of a firearm for obstructions or cleanliness via the muzzle always stupid?
+No, on a revolver you have to check from the muzzle.
+--- 57985336
+>>57960187
+that sounds horrible, like an asbestos sleeping bag
+--- 57985735
+>>57984624
+Single and 2-stage triggers are fairly different. The 2-stage trigger is best for precision shooting, the single stage trigger is best for shooting fast.
+--- 57985760
+How do I train myself to shoot with both eyes open? It works fine, and actually feels pretty natural for handguns and for optics, but when I try it on my PTR91, my eyes focus on the front, and I get this weird see through effect on the rear sight. Is it something about the HK drum sights that makes this happen? 
+Is my brain just broken in that case?
+--- 57985906
+well?
+--- 57986303
+>>57976075
+aside from mounting an IR laser for night vision on a handguard, grip/furniture choice is pretty much entirely about ergonomics. Get an adjustable stock, pick up a cheap forward grip and see if you like that more than without. Magpul makes good cheap furniture. Some people shit on them because they're common.
+--- 57987012
+>>57985760
+Nah with peep sights and magnified stuff you kinda have to close one eye, I can get by with squinting my left eye and keeping my right fully open which is kind of a middle ground for peripheral vision.
+>>57982515
+Fine for 9mm, heavier stuff will wear out the frame eventually but you probably won't shoot it enough to ever get there. Alloy frame 1911 9mms are really sweet shooting guns, the only reason to go with .45 or .38 SA is if you are larping as a boomer in which case you also need the steel frame. For 10mm or other cartridges, get something that isn't a 1911.
+--- 57987037
+>>57955711
+It was a fun novelty meme gun but wasn’t practical or up to the same standards as an HK
+--- 57987050
+>>57985735
+>>57984624
+yeah i like a single stage more in general. honestly i don't feel like it's a huge difference, or maybe i just don't care, but i can pretty quickly adapt to different triggers on guns. id recommend going to a gun range more often and asking people with ar15s if you can test their triggers. if you explain it to them i'm sure they'll let you.
+--- 57987145
+If a barrel is chopped and recrowned correctly, the trajectory shouldn’t be too different unless it’s at further distances right? It seems like a pretty easy job to do with tools at home, anyone with experience shortening a barrel?
+--- 57988002
+>>57987145
+Depends on how much you shorten it, drastic changes can have serious affects on the trajectory.
+--- 57988402
+I'm split between buying a reproduction 1885 High Wall in 45-70 or an original Krag with bayonet. I'll be buying a reloading kit for the ammo it needs. Chances are I'll be shooting either as much as I can and am maybe naively thinking about hunting will the one I get. Which one would you guys buy?
+--- 57988532
+>>57988402
+Forgot to mention High wall is around $1200 and the Krag is $1500. There's also a carbine Krag for $600 at another store that didn't look too roughed up
+--- 57988670
+>>57955711
+Yup they are just expensive af. Im def buying one anyway before the end of the year because fuck it desu.
+--- 57988969
+Anyone know about pic related scope? Tried searching all the Euro or Beretta websites and see this I own a Steiner M332 (3x scope and it is cool for what it is)
+--- 57989099
+>Sig 365 V Crown 115 grain JHP
+Guys wtf I thought this stuff was supposed to be good? I've barely carried this for maybe a couple months and I'm just now noticing how squashed the bullets are getting.
+
+Would this make it more likely for malfunctions, specifically failures to feed? Also, is this ammo just trash besides it being Sig?
+--- 57989846
+anyone have that image of the guy with his relative's luger getting gaslit into rattlecanning it with israeli colors and a star of david? Been looking for it for days
+--- 57989917
+>>57989846
+Sorry, I don't have the image but here's a link to the archived thread. Hopefully another anon has the image.
+https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/25884232
+--- 57989969
+>>57988002
+I guess my main worry, is are my iron sights going to be inaccurate now? Is it going to throw each shot differently since it’s been cut? It would be 16 inch to 12 inch. 308
+
+Would it cause any keyholing issues? I really don’t know what to expect as far as issues
+--- 57989986
+>>57989917
+thats ok, thank u anon
+--- 57989989
+Why didn’t anybody tell me James Yeager died? Like what the heck man
+--- 57989997
+>>57989099
+>hurrrrr y iz repeatedly chambering the same round causing setback???
+>iz r sig am bad???
+You could have artisanal hand loads made from atomically perfect dimensional brass that are blessedly assembled by the god touched hands of the most autistic savant and you'd get the same result.
+
+Two options. One: cycle the top round in the magazine religiously. Two: just go to the range every week and fire off your carry mag and put in new ammo.
+
+You're being a real fuck right now and I'd like you to stop.
+--- 57990066
+>>57985760
+>eyes focus on front blade
+>rear aperture is blurred
+Working as intended. Stop switching focus from the front blade (or ring on HK diopters) and the rear aperture and trying to perfectly align them manually. Just look at the front, and let your brain just line it up automatically. I promise it will work.
+--- 57990067
+>>57982481
+They're not gonna stop you from picking your brass, good luck getting anything that goes past the firing line

k/57958775.txt

@@ -253,3 +253,81 @@ Are those mounts now hard to get now? Jeez, go second hand, ebay or tacswap.
 --- 57979981
 >>57958775 (OP)
 retarded question but can the stf 12 slam fire? i dont see people moving their finger while shooting it sometimes
+--- 57980676
+>>57979340
+>cheap to shoot
+In what way
+--- 57981567
+>>57980676
+Not him, but while 12 gauge might be slightly pricier cpr-wise, it's significantly cheaper to magdump shotguns than it is to magdump most rifles
+--- 57982123
+>>57979432
+
+Yup, it has the three position stock. Apparently they are unobtanium, at least the Gen 1 ones are. Benelli has started focusing on their weird looking Gen 2 stocks.
+
+I’ve tried second hand, still no luck! eBay, TacSwap, even Plebbit. I just want to mount my dang Vampire.
+
+>>57980676
+>>57981567
+
+Exactly this. Big boom that doesn’t cost as much as rifle rounds. Also, just the sheer availability. Being able to grab a few boxes of slugs and buck while grocery shopping is great.
+--- 57982575
+>>57979340
+Good shit, anon.
+--- 57982598
+theres no reason to put a nice red dot on a shotgun
+--- 57982618
+>>57979340
+>Just so I can LARP as Anton Chigurh.
+
+you should know that suppressed shotguns are still pretty loud. the larger the barrel, the less good a suppressor is going to do you.
+--- 57982713
+>>57982575
+>eotech 552 + m4
+Based
+--- 57983893
+>>57982598
+Wouldn't you specifically want a really durable red dot on a shotgun due to the strong recoil impulse? At least for pumps. Autos probably get a bit more leeway due to the reciprocating mass softening things up
+--- 57985454
+>>57982618
+
+Hahaha, yeah. At Quiet at the Capitol, people were bitching about some of the shotgun suppressors being the loudest cans at the event. I didn’t get to shoot any of those but I have shot a Salvo-12. And I thought it was pretty cool.
+
+Even if it just knocks down things to 140 decibels (about a suppressed AR), I’d be happy. I’m not expecting Hollywood quiet, by any means. I’m just in the camp of “If I can suppress it, I want to.”
+--- 57985714
+>>57985454
+Your choice of ammunition makes a huge difference. I have a Salvo-12, it's still very loud if you're shooting high velocity meme loads but it's very pleasant with basic clay loads.
+--- 57986446
+>>57982713
+What would you mount on your Martial, fabarmbro ?
+--- 57986746
+>>57966699
+the zombies in the re2 remake (best remake so far) seemed like bullet sponges if you don't utilize the limb dismemberment system. The SMG in this game is about as dangerous as a cold breeze but you can effectively clear a room with it quickly given you know how to use it. What I don't like however is that their heads seem to be bullet sponges as well, although you do seem to get a higher chance of a critical when you aim there. Matilda isn't even relevent until later in the game when you get all the upgrades for it.
+--- 57986919
+>>57986746
+Once you get the "shoot their legs and rarely their head" the game gets so much easier. That and the licker knife exploit
+>re2 best remake
+Based.
+--- 57987211
+>>57986919
+Given I haven't played the 4 remake yet, really been wanting to though.
+--- 57989302
+Anyone here an FFL? 
+What's the distributor price on mossberg 590s?
+--- 57989327
+>>57973705
+>he picks up brass
+Brass doesn't break down into bioactive chemicals that get in the water supply like plastic. It's just... brass. It's a financial waste to not pick it up but environmentally there's no harm.
+--- 57989895
+My 5th time doing trap now and I only hit 9/25 and 10/25 in two runs. 
+It is with a 28ga though.
+--- 57990022
+>>57989895
+Keep at it fren, you'll get better.
+--- 57990051
+>>57990022
+I aim to do this at least once a month; the gun club is close to my work anyways. 
+The weather is so perfect I've wanted to finally try sporting clays, but I know it would be alot of wasted shots and I think regulars would expect a more seasoned shooter for doing that sort of thing right.
+--- 57990110
+>>57989302
+I can get you that info soon

k/57961829.txt

@@ -838,3 +838,276 @@ dumbasses have been saying the cities are replaceable since the first cavemen te
 --- 57980473
 >>57961829 (OP)
 >wait? bombs kill people?
+--- 57980571
+>>57961829 (OP)
+>He didn't drop the bomb. I did. That kind of weepiness makes me sick.
+Based
+--- 57980643
+>>57964408
+The Manhattan Project consumed a large part of the US GDP. The USA had been the wealthiest economy for decades. This way she was able to fuck up her enemies. Dunkirk was not bad, your Tomboys could have been slaughtered at the beaches by the Germans, so thanks for fire storming civilian refugees when you could have abstained from it, you ungrateful fuck https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/public/audio/011_032.mp3
+--- 57980659
+>>57964455
+I second
+--- 57980674
+>>57964467
+Nope, you did it because he sold his oil to EU in Euro and not in petro dollars. It would be a casus belli if we we did something similar to your hemisphere, One day you will have to pay the bill of your double standards.
+--- 57980682
+>>57964493
+There is no European military defence. Do you want to leave it to the Russians and Turks?
+--- 57980689
+>>57964520
+It was for the shitty Petro Dollar and for Dicks Pussy
+--- 57980696
+>>57964581
+Uhm, what is your business in another hemisphere? You will have to deal with the costs of your collaterals one day
+--- 57980705
+>>57964622
+What makes you so sure that they don't? You don't have to have a philosophical degree to understand that you should avoid a risk that cannot be calculated
+--- 57980721
+>>57964711
+>when he came out hard against nukes
+Yeah, for this the USA is a terrible ally
+--- 57980726
+>>57964737
+>bet you'd be pretty apathetic to some cunts getting firebombed in some shithole.
+Yes jew, shitpost some more
+--- 57980740
+>>57964793
+Well, that might be correct for your cultural and intellectual level, roach-burger
+--- 57980748
+>>57964838
+Probably a hard-working and lucky guy. Thank you for your historic perspective on Truman
+--- 57980794
+>>57980643
+>your Tomboys could have been slaughtered at the beaches by the Germans
+
+"Never was so much owed by so many patriotic coomers to so few adorable cross-dressing females."
+- Winston Churchill
+--- 57980807
+>>57961829 (OP)
+He was just sad that he didn't get to bomb germs.
+--- 57980816
+>>57980794
+I am not familiar with that, but Tommies were in such an awkward position that nobody really wanted to shell, bomb or fight them on the beaches
+--- 57980824
+>>57980643
+>so thanks for fire storming civilian refugees when you could have abstained from it
+
+fuck that, they were german
+--- 57980828
+>>57980807
+I beg your pardon, did you mean Jews?
+--- 57980837
+>>57980824
+How do you do, Jude? Why is it a kike fetish to shame the dead? You will always be cursed and unlucky, don't blame it on anybody else than yourself.
+--- 57981877
+>>57980824
+so what?
+--- 57981947
+>>57962838
+Fucking retard
+--- 57982343
+>>57962071
+>Nukes your taiwan silicon fabs
+>Industrial revolution reverted in minutes
+--- 57983476
+>>57961829 (OP)
+I'm glad that after all this time people are finally dunking on Oppenheimer for this nonsense he tried to concoct.
+--- 57983507
+>>57962025
+>>57964580
+Reminder that the atomic bomb was theorised by the Bongs anyway and they were building nukes way before the US ever got involved and in fact traded that research for military aid.
+
+So Oppenheimer has nothing to really worry about. The theory was done by Prussians and Hungarians and shit in British universities using British money and government backing and the first nuke (not as powerful as Fat Boy) was being built by them too.
+--- 57983555
+>>57962075
+>the primary leakers of Manhattan secrets did so in a belief that an unopposed USA with the bomb would become another evil empire a la Germany
+Why would you lie about this?
+--- 57983831
+>>57983555
+That was literally their stated motivation. I didn't say I agreed with it.
+--- 57984124
+>>57983507
+Oppenheimer WAS a Prussian theorist you FUCKING IDIOT. He’s literally the person you’re talking about
+--- 57984137
+>>57983831
+>nukes way before the US
+They are used to chage the storyline all the time. After all, they wanted to share the bomb with their cousins involved and the great Boshevic experiment. Sharing the A-bomb with the Soviets complies with the lend lease policy and the Berlin rape. Not very sophisticated a point of view, but prove me wrong.
+--- 57984142
+>>57983507
+>Fat Boy
+What a fucking pseud you are. Kill yourself
+--- 57984147
+>>57984124
+You mean he was from Berlin or Brandenburg?
+--- 57984157
+>>57984147
+I mean you have no clue what you’re talking about
+t. physicist
+--- 57984166
+>>57984157
+No, you are really an idiot.
+--- 57984179
+>>57984166
+>no u
+--- 57984195
+>>57984157
+I don't like to quote Wikipedia, but for you, I'll make an exception. "Julius Robert Oppenheimer (* 22. April 1904 in New York City; † 18. Februar 1967 in Princeton, New Jersey) war ein amerikanischer theoretischer Physiker deutsch-jüdischer Abstammung." Oppenheimer was a New Yorker and his ancestors were Jews from Hessia, that is where Frankfurt is. He was not a Prussian.
+--- 57984200
+>>57984179
+Wrong again
+--- 57984207
+>>57984195
+>he doesn't know
+Physics anon is saying he was a follower of the Prussian theoretical school not from the geographical place anon.
+--- 57984210
+>>57984179
+I hope that you take no offence in me insulting you.
+--- 57984211
+>>57961922
+Just thank god trump isn’t in office
+--- 57984215
+>>57984195
+>>57984200
+Pleas tell me more about Fat Boy, you retarded pseud. Maybe find a Wikipedia article about that too
+--- 57984220
+>>57984207
+I am sorry. I am just a poor ignorant junker
+--- 57984226
+>>57984210
+I take zero offense at anything you will ever say or “think”, Fat Boy
+--- 57984229
+>>57984215
+What is wrong with you, did Big Boy blast your mind?
+--- 57984239
+>>57984226
+Maintain
+--- 57984247
+>>57983507
+>>57984147
+>>57984166
+>>57984195
+>>57984200
+>>57984210
+>>57984220
+You are the dumbest pedant I’ve ever witnessed. Reddit is too good for you. Please create a yahoo answers or quota account and leave my website
+--- 57984326
+>>57973112
+God bless teller
+--- 57984338
+>>57984215
+From the context of this thread it is not clear what the Prussian theoretical school of Physics means and the term is not easy to look up. You rather have to be a physicist to know it. I have never heared of that term in my life although I hung out quite a lot with physicists. So this is a sophistical debate. I can tell you about the Frankfurt school of critical theory, if you know what I mean. Or we just leave at that and I just admire you for your superior knowledge.
+--- 57984353
+>>57984247
+Blablabla, wrong again, go get laid, faggot
+--- 57984354
+>>57964325
+Antifa
+Gay
+--- 57984371
+>>57983507
+Lol, lmao even https://news.uchicago.edu/explainer/first-nuclear-reactor-explained. No chain, no nuke. The Brits were not "building" nukes before. They like everyone were using theory and practical applications to attempt it, however, pre war they were nowhere close and in war they were completely stopped from any meaningful developments needed that the Manhattan Project would later provide.
+--- 57984434
+>>57984371
+“Was theorized” is the most bullshit pair of words imaginable in applied physics. Immediately reveals whoever says it to be a complete moron
+--- 57984757
+>>57962661
+literally all you need to see that from the quotes ITT is the way Truman immediately took credit for dropping the bomb. he saw right through the bullshit of a hand wringing gunsmith weeping over the fact someone else pulled a trigger he touched at some point.
+
+i imagine that some level of the contempt he expressed was due to having his intelligence insulted by Oppenheimer practicing his PR career pivot in the president's office - Truman wouldn't have called him there to workshop his pearl clutching routine, so as far as Truman was concerned Oppenheimer was wasting everyone there's time.
+--- 57984806
+>>57964266
+maybe figure out sentence structure first, it might help
+oh, and move out of the city if you're worried about nuclear war
+--- 57984858
+>>57977561
+do you have any idea how many of them have been replaced since then?
+
+do you have any idea how little has changed about the location of agriculture since then?
+
+only one of the two starves without the other, and it's not the farms. denial over how parasitic the obligate food importers are are hasn't changed the parasitism yet, so i wouldn't be too hopeful
+
+but by all means, demonstrate how cities are not thermodynamically unsustainable in isolation
+--- 57986821
+>>57984247
+>>57984207
+>>57984157
+>>57984142
+>>57984124
+PS Judging from your behavior, you are just some fucked Russian trying to gather his marbles for the nukes that were stolen in his state of failure and agony Please do not bring down others on your suicide mission. Boomerwaffen will not help you anymore, be assured.
+--- 57986908
+>>57965151
+Yes
+--- 57987700
+>>57961829 (OP)
+He was a jew and a lefty and so not even the honest murder all Palestinians and take their shit sort, of course he'd reference a non-white culture and make a big deal of moral issues. Whether he was genuine or not is another matter. Perhaps he was even trying to influence academic culture which apparently happened. Until about 2000 it might have worked, but now all the STEM students are almost entirely drawn from rural white America love war and slaughter. Type "did I strike a nerve: pastebin" into any search function for a sample of my work from 2016 and enjoy. Spoiler is a recipe for nerve agents and is legal in the US, just don't kill yourselves with it.
+
+>>57962075
+>Manhattan secrets did so in a belief that an unopposed USA with the bomb would become another evil empire a la Germany
+Oy vey, we can't have a 90% white empire ruling the world, better use our influence to buoy up competitors(USSR, Japan, China) for decades while we import shitskins. 
+
+>A fair amount of theoretical researchers were Jewish Germans
+Only the ones that get their names in books, they were about 2% of the research staff at any level. Not that they weren't competent but lets be clear here jews who write those books aggrandize the contributions of their coethnics.
+--- 57987792
+>>57962076
+literally every jew acts like this its in their blood
+he was foaming at the mouth at the prospect of vaporising european civilisation for eternity as mentioned here >>57962191
+--- 57987832
+>>57977534
+It might kill everybody who isn't white though, close enough.
+--- 57987902
+Do you think the inventor of the Hi-point, Glock, crack cocaine and malt liquor feels responsible for destroying black communities?
+
+Absolutely fucking not.
+--- 57988197
+>>57987700
+>but now all the STEM students are almost entirely drawn from rural white America love war and slaughter
+
+What are you smoking? STEM is filled with Asians, Indians, and Jews (mostly in the M). No, your technical community college program isn't STEM.
+--- 57988239
+>>57987700
+This is the Princeton mathematics grad students. Sure looking white and rural. Go look at MIT commencement lol.
+--- 57989075
+>>57962071
+Do NOT watch Threads (1984)
+--- 57989221
+>>57961980
+Yes, TRUMP!
+--- 57989236
+>>57988239
+Spaghetti strap top would.
+--- 57989257
+>>57989075
+>Do NOT watch Threads (1984)
+Threads was good, on par with Testament.
+--- 57989271
+>>57989236
+Change that to Fiona.
+--- 57989303
+>>57961922
+Firebombs kill way more people than nukes anon
+--- 57989312
+>>57989303
+Nukes have way better dps.
+--- 57989391
+>>57989303
+>sample of 2
+You failed history AND math didn't you.
+--- 57989429
+>>57961922
+>To look at that sort of thing and know that you were the person who brought it about, even if you were just a technical manager, is horrifying
+Yet, his Bhagavad Gita quote wasn't an expression of horror, it was an expression of duty in the face of horror. So obviously some part of him felt it was neccessary and moral.
+--- 57989455
+>>57989257
+>delicatessen
+
+Nice.
+--- 57990073
+>>57988239
+pink shirt girl in the middle has nipples that could cut glass
+--- 57990086
+>>57970515
+If we didn't have nukes 100% we'd be on WW4, maybe WW5 at this point.
+If we didn't have nukes chemical/biological weapons would take the spot. And unlike nooks chemical weapons seem to be legitimately spooky 'salt the earth' territory especially given what worse would be invented.
+
+We'd just have a lot of zone rouges.

k/57962856.txt

@@ -273,3 +273,139 @@ Someone cast “small your dick” on you, didn’t they?
 Guys help mom found the wand silencer
 --- 57980183
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_3yDImIQYU [Embed]
+--- 57980548
+>>57974900
+Fucking techwizards maaan
+--- 57981256
+>>57965929
+I don't want to fuck the blade up
+Spirits tend to get snidey when you summon them with a dull blade
+--- 57981291
+>>57962856 (OP)
+>Having a dick so small you need a faggot wand or a walking stick to wield magic
+
+Real wizard's use the power of nature, not some phallic crutch.
+--- 57981355
+>>57980046
+Get that shit out of here
+--- 57981366
+>>57965929
+Speaking as a map maker, fuck you.
+
+Do you realize how fucking long it takes to make those maps? Hundreds of hours and cunts like you decide to stab it.
+
+You're as bad as people who cut rope with a knife instead of untying it. Waste of time and money
+--- 57981424
+How do they prevent school spellings when every incel teenager is armed with a horribly overpowered mass murder weapon?
+--- 57981466
+>>57981424
+It's not the wands fucktard, it's grimoires
+Good look regulating pdfs
+--- 57981477
+>>57981424
+My guild sells School Speller Repelling Charms*, only 99 gold pieces.
+*May not work against death magic
+--- 57981506
+>>57974900
+>tacticool
+Fuck outta here, we like wood furnishings in these here parts
+--- 57981513
+>>57981291
+That's a druid, anon. He can put on a hat, but you can tell that he's casting filthy primal magics and not noble arcane.
+--- 57981523
+>>57962856 (OP)
+That a real CCW wand? TMDWU doodt
+--- 57981579
+>>57970849
+--- 57981701
+>>57981424
+Summary executions are the sorting ceremony for anyone the hat deems problematic
+
+also
+>incels
+>when the school literally has a legion of slave maid goblin girls(female) to tend to the students' every need
+lol
+lmao even
+--- 57981708
+>>57981701
+at the sorting*
+--- 57983937
+Talk me out of it.
+--- 57984815
+>>57983937
+But when does it bacon?
+--- 57984898
+>>57983937
+You could modify it by putting cristals and charms in it before you seal it up with wax sourced from whaleblubber. I did this when I was in my 200s and even though it set me back quite a few gold pieces it well worth for the show your putting on. Just make sure it doesn't rattle or any entity you're trying to summon will think you're just a lame ass bard
+--- 57985019
+Sup wizardfags. Necrochad warlock BVLL here. Finally figured out how to use my hands for the dark arts, bet you pussies wouldn’t even try to learn. Now all the witches and wizard girls are constantly mirin’ me. Total mogging
+--- 57985046
+you have to help me /k/asters, I ran out of nuggies so I did a goetic summoning for a lasagna but nothing happened and now Im hungry
+--- 57985057
+>>57985046
+sigil related
+--- 57985071
+>>57985057
+Oh boy. You need to go to the nearest magical practitioner you can find
+--- 57985072
+>>57981513
+Primal or Arcane, any magic used to fuck with the Kings Guard is good magic
+--- 57985086
+>>57985071
+Why? can he get me a lasagna?
+--- 57985104
+>>57985086
+Sure thing anon
+--- 57985124
+>no staff users allowed
+Scepter chads stay winning
+--- 57985158
+ID on this wand ? It's really long and pointy, and I think it's made of metal or something
+--- 57985172
+>>57985158
+Pic dropped
+--- 57985184
+>>57985172
+That's a non magical item
+--- 57985245
+>>57985184
+I keep hearing an ethereal voice eminating from it saying something that sounds like"oobil zaara"
+--- 57985866
+>>57974900
+what's the threads on the bottom for? 
+Attaching it to your fuck machine you fucking faggot?
+--- 57986561
+>>57984898
+>lame ass bard
+I don't know, spell slinging rainstick sounds kind of cool.
+--- 57986656
+>>57985866
+you are retarded
+--- 57986702
+>his staff doesn’t have a masterkey 
+Lol
+Lmao
+--- 57986718
+>>57962856 (OP)
+MAGIC QUEERS OUT
+THIS IS NOW AN IRANIAN ELECTRICAL SUPREMACY THREAD
+--- 57986768
+>>57962896
+https://youtu.be/aLzu9-zSbHQ [Embed]
+--- 57986858
+>>57971652
+>>57973638
+>massive war breaks out and is documented in unprecedented levels
+>uses all the weapons and vehicles that k fags talk about endlessely
+--- 57989208
+>>57962856 (OP)
+y'know, when I heard that /k/ was a magical place, I didn't think they meant it literally! Thought I'd wandered into /tg/ or /vr/ by mistake.
+--- 57991087
+>>57986702
+Beautiful.
+--- 57991114
+>>57962896
+>expelliarmus
+>depulso
+>levioso
+>descendo

k/57963331.txt

@@ -178,3 +178,157 @@ Don't go walking around on Indian land with a gun, they can legally confiscate y
 >>57979891
 >Indians have nothing better to do than harass outsiders.
 I dunno, they could continue living, that sounds a lot better.
+--- 57980820
+>>57963331 (OP)
+Traquilizers and silver thread rope anon, i have 6 wendigos in the barn. All the wendussy and wendicock i could ever need in 100 life times
+--- 57982990
+bump
+--- 57983511
+>>57968455
+>>She begins to tear at her dirty clothes, ripping the fabric off of her skin.
+>She doesn't stop until she's mostly naked, her sopping wet loins bared to you.
+MOMMY YES
+--- 57983528
+>>57963859
+Is...is that a '41 Johnson?!
+--- 57983565
+>>57963331 (OP)
+Lmao
+--- 57983580
+>>57963331 (OP)
+Silver is the only thing that can break the skin, white ash to prevent regeneration.
+--- 57983638
+>>57980119
+On a reservation it's not
+--- 57983655
+>>57983580
+Delete this
+--- 57983669
+i loaded some 2 and 3/4 shells with silver shot
+
+https://www.jmbullion.com/1-kilo-silver-shot/
+--- 57983803
+>>57983655
+Long, furry hands typed this post.
+--- 57983813
+>>57983669
+You'd have to mix it with some lead shot or your load won't be heavy enough to get good powder burn, and it will just fart out the end if the barrel.
+--- 57983854
+>>57983528
+Its the fully semi-automatic rifle shotgun that chris was angrily scared holding on the cover of resident evil 1
+--- 57984516
+>>57983580
+Fake news
+Normal bullets work fine
+--- 57984734
+>>57966340
+>a pussy handgun round made for women and faggots
+Uhhh do you mean .40? Because the FBI literally did away with the 10mm because faggots and women couldn't handle it.
+--- 57985135
+>>57984734
+And those loads back then were 180gr @1400fps
+Modern 10mm is barely anything past .40
+--- 57985177
+>>57976131
+>how to de-rifle your barrel
+--- 57985190
+>>57968455
+We sharing?
+https://rentry.org/Tricking-the-Treat
+https://rentry.org/Wendigo-at-the-door
+--- 57985264
+>>57985190
+I begin to read the first story, it's OK so far-
+>VORE
+Back to /d/, you degenerate.
+--- 57985309
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8tkr58Mkw [Embed]
+--- 57985394
+>>57985190
+...why would you share this?
+Is this how you get your sick kicks, /d/generate?
+--- 57985492
+>>57985264
+>>57985394
+Actually, I'm from the various AI threads, /d/ is a miserable place. I just love wendigo hmofa + female prey vore.
+--- 57985687
+>>57968368
+So wendigo with less snow.
+--- 57985855
+>>57985687
+>>57968368
+>>57967118
+Skinwalker is a catch all term for transforming native American Forrest monsters that target humans by using Mimicry. 
+
+Wendigos are cannibalism demons specifically.
+--- 57985874
+>>57983813
+Bullshit, Silver is heavier than steel and steel gets full powder burn just fine.
+--- 57986150
+>>57985492
+>that pic
+I 100% would and would feel no shame afterwards.
+--- 57986228
+>Anon will end shooting either a crackhead or a peyote ridden native.
+--- 57986261
+>>57985874
+>steel gets full powder burn
+Lol, lmao even
+--- 57986272
+>>57986228
+>implying those are negatives
+--- 57986336
+>>57986261
+Yes, it does?
+--- 57986374
+>>57967006
+10mm is for try hard faggots desu just use 9mm like everyone else or move up to big bore revolvers
+--- 57986462
+>>57963331 (OP)
+--- 57986941
+>>57986150
+>I 100% would and would feel no shame afterwards.
+I'll just leave this here, then.
+https://imgur.com/a/efMpZJz
+--- 57988761
+>>57963331 (OP)
+>Will this kill a skinwalker if need be?
+I wouldn't worry about it. Skinwalkers aren't real and there's nothing dangerous in the woods near where you live. Just go for a long hike or camping trip and try to have fun while you become one with nature.
+--- 57989397
+>>57986941
+B-bless you, anon.
+--- 57989428
+>>57985492
+Fuck off vorefag.
+--- 57989448
+>>57988761
+Obviously you're a skinwalker.
+--- 57989630
+>>57989428
+I have the right to self defense, just like any redblooded American. See you on the thread.
+>>57989397
+Bless you too!
+https://imgur.com/a/4fyMLgN
+--- 57989641
+i hate these threads because 90% of the posters have never even SHOT the ammo they recommend. like who tf are you trying to impress fellas
+--- 57989650
+>>57989630
+>https://imgur.com/a/4fyMLgN
+>gypsy-esque skinwalker chicks
+I have a new fetish.
+--- 57989653
+>>57963880
+>break action
+>nitro
+Jesus, how many shots do you get before the gun explodes in two?
+--- 57990759
+>>57986261
+>but the powder load wont burn 100% efficient!!!
+Who cares 
+
+>>57985177
+>barrels wears out slightly faster
+Who cares
+--- 57990904
+>>57976131
+With how strong he is he could just blow the vampires apart by throwing doorknobs at them.

k/57965811.txt

@@ -235,3 +235,118 @@ It's always been like that, anon, just open your eyes and ears for once
 --- 57980501
 >>57965984
 QUAAAAALUUUUUUUDES
+--- 57980600
+>>57968860
+Based
+
+For the Opium Wars and Century Of Humiliation!
+--- 57980822
+>>57968781
+>>57968811
+kek
+--- 57980833
+>>57974590
+You know that's obese, right?
+Don't tell me Burgeristan has started using BMI wrong to pretty up statistics.
+--- 57980848
+>>57965845
+They're not protecting anything of value so they sent their D team
+--- 57981793
+>>57965811 (OP)
+Bend over and pick it up yourself you fat fuck.
+--- 57983187
+>>57965845
+They're bulking.
+--- 57984509
+>>57974590
+>>57977763
+>One is a fat pig, the other is a skinny fat manlet
+You're both subhumans and deserves to be sent to a Cambodian style labor camp
+>t. 6ft1 european with a BMI of 14,9
+--- 57984634
+>>57968826
+Why?
+--- 57985128
+>>57965811 (OP)
+>TFW no plate carrier big enough to cover both your tits at once.
+--- 57985296
+>>57966360
+Another faggot like you proposed replacing US local police departments with a Gendarmes model. Fuck off.
+--- 57985581
+>>57975705
+>the Zionist puppet Reagan
+Could you please elaborate?
+--- 57988015
+>>57985128
+Kek
+--- 57988032
+>>57973386
+--- 57988103
+>>57975705
+Can you show me where the Zionists touched you?
+--- 57988141
+>>57988032
+what and why
+--- 57988161
+>>57965811 (OP)
+busy monitoring 4chud for anti police talk
+--- 57988237
+>>57988141
+Some vigilante rehabilitation for junkies it seems.
+--- 57988265
+>>57967627
+he hates mexico so much that he built a wall around his taco. sickening.
+--- 57988379
+>>57966360
+This is one of the worst takes I've ever seen on /k/ and that's really saying something.
+--- 57988408
+>>57965984
+can't believe how much weight that guy lost
+--- 57988423
+>>57988161
+he ought to go peruse the chat logs of democratic party groups
+--- 57988543
+>>57988423
+There are also quite a bit of rightwingers/libertarians that hate the police as well
+--- 57989605
+>>57988423
+Thats where he commands the local an**fags and tr**ns to commit mass transgender rights on those evil chr*****ns
+--- 57989649
+>>57966360
+>dude just abolish federalism lmao
+--- 57989684
+>>57969012
+New York is one of the MOST corrupt places in America, and new york is one of the most populous singular local municipal places in the world. It's also a fucking shithole even for the average person. The cherry on top being Democrat retards love instituting "good ideas" that drain everyone's money while providing nothing of value because it sounds nice on the surface and don't actually take into account how it might actually effect or not effect the people It's meant to.
+
+tl;dr Yep, that makes sense.
+--- 57989733
+>>57988161
+Dear Sheriff Michael J Muttwood,
+u smell, u dum, u mom gay, i'm not sharing wit u, and I hate u.
+--- 57989757
+>>57965811 (OP)
+Fat cops are an embarrassment
+--- 57989888
+>>57965811 (OP)
+This is the end if major city swat officers are starting to get fat. We’re im from in the US they have standards. Quite sad to be honest. How could they be ok with this?
+--- 57989968
+>>57973386
+Until you rile up one who is on meth and not fent
+--- 57989976
+>>57967544
+Some are open in Vegas.
+--- 57990140
+>>57988032
+based, roundhouse kick addicts, bet the guy who filmed this had the biggest powerboner for like 24 hours after this
+--- 57990232
+>>57988032
+lmao. I like how he just suddenly started attacking the NPCs with no warning.
+--- 57990252
+>>57988032
+Well the guy who filmed that is clearly a piece of shit
+--- 57990320
+>>57990252
+ok junkie
+--- 57990783
+>>57990320
+Good that we agree

k/57966880.txt

@@ -625,3 +625,59 @@ I work for a gun company, not a higher up or anything but do you think these are
 --- 57980020
 >>57979925
 I think so. Reach out to me on instagram and we can discuss it
+--- 57981236
+>>57970237
+thought it was dipped in candy myself. not the oddest thing to see here, but maybe i should just get a bag of hard candies from the 99cent store today since I been having a craving.
+--- 57982659
+Meow
+--- 57982850
+>>57967156
+>he came after an copied me
+You can’t seriously be implying that making epoxy grips is a unique idea, can you? Everyone who likes guns and plays with epoxy has had this idea.
+--- 57982864
+>>57967194
+You were in my /fph/ thread. .17HMR is pretty cool. And fuck biggers.
+--- 57982940
+When did /k/ become full of unironic fags?
+--- 57982951
+>>57966880 (OP)
+i dont like this.
+--- 57983101
+>>57982940
+>>57982940
+>newfag detected
+--- 57983249
+Would you guys consider custom orders for unique guns once you get running?
+--- 57983318
+>>57966904
+A pocket pussy.
+--- 57983504
+>>57966904
+--- 57984091
+>>57982850
+I created translucent amber resin hogue grips for the LCR
+
+All of a sudden identical grips show up on eBay afterwards. Coincidence? I think not
+--- 57984287
+>>57967437
+>I was thinking about how much I hate leftists, vatniks, and the Chinese.
+--- 57984689
+>>57967437
+Me too, this was a welcome distraction
+--- 57987849
+>>57966880 (OP)
+anyone have much experience with the .22 lcr and can report on the trigger pull?
+--- 57989217
+>>57966880 (OP)
+where do you get this
+--- 57989421
+>>57984287
+if you don't hate those 3 groups this isn't the place for you
+--- 57990748
+>>57987849
+About as pleasant as a staple gun. Just grip it and rip it.
+--- 57990902
+>>57966880 (OP)
+I now want to see these grips on pic related.
+--- 57991238
+cherry or strawberry?

k/57967164.txt

@@ -287,3 +287,92 @@ What is that rifle? It looks like the one from barotrauma
 --- 57980423
 >>57980337
 lurk more
+--- 57980586
+2D>3D
+--- 57980615
+>>57967164 (OP)
+--- 57980761
+>>57980337
+Sturmgewehr 57
+--- 57980780
+>>57974093
+holy based
+>>57980253
+picrel
+--- 57981394
+I'm a man of simple taste
+--- 57981486
+I'm a man of constant sorrow
+--- 57981494
+>>57972854
+What did trump gave you?
+--- 57981901
+1/2
+--- 57981920
+>>57981901
+2/2
+--- 57982012
+>>57967248
+>>57967256
+>The "I'm 16 and cool stfu mom" starter packs
+--- 57982495
+>>57968696
+>>57970656
+>>57974954
+plugging holes in dykes is every Dutchman's civic duty.
+--- 57983963
+>>57967248
+Drakeshitters get out, this is Anvil Country
+--- 57985169
+>>57980180
+man those Milwaukee knives, especially the hawkbill ones, are some of the best bang for your buck out there
+--- 57985199
+>>57967599
+she had a pimp for a couple of years you know
+--- 57985284
+>>57967599
+based
+--- 57986223
+>>57972854
+We can't all be faggots, I'm sorry.
+--- 57988565
+>>57985169
+Agreed, I still cant believe I got mine for less than 30 bucks, which this same quality with the retarded "tactical" stuff added to it, would cost twice. Im hoping if I see one again from where I got it on sale, might even go the extra take and get the whole collection.
+--- 57988766
+>>57967164 (OP)
+--- 57988805
+Ruby "I dulled my scythe on your catgirl wife" Ross
+--- 57988897
+>>57967164 (OP)
+cringe/10
+--- 57989730
+>>57977875
+t. bug chaser
+--- 57989764
+>>57988805
+Homophobic Ruby is beautiful. I wonder how pissed all the yuri shippers are.
+--- 57989777
+>>57988805
+They did best girl dirty, bringing her back just to kill her again.
+--- 57989791
+>>57988805
+>>57989764
+The more this meme is pushed the more likely that they will make her character woke in response to it. 
+You will eat the bugs. You will sleep in the pod. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
+--- 57990079
+>>57967164 (OP)
+Fight me
+--- 57990098
+>>57984044
+I assume that's a tranny
+--- 57990112
+>>57979590
+Post her, nigga.
+--- 57990127
+>>57975585
+It's Dean from Venture Bros if he trooned out hard.
+--- 57990442
+>>57967164 (OP)
+--- 57990622
+>>57990440
+sauce on the waifu pls

k/57968030.txt

@@ -721,3 +721,126 @@ I hate it
 --- 57980364
 >>57968030 (OP)
 fuck ya muddah
+--- 57983059
+>>57973468
+If my fuel injector suddenly doesn't work I don't go to work that day.
+If my pistol suddenly doesn't work I don't get to go anywhere ever again.
+--- 57983119
+>>57978430
+why is it always a rapist and why are you always physically incapable of defending yourself?
+--- 57983566
+I wonder if this will get adopted by small business owners to keep under their counters. Like gas station pajeets who usually hate guns.
+--- 57984602
+no this thing looks like dogshit and im not preordering a first gen gun
+--- 57984997
+>>57968571
+thread ruined
+--- 57987687
+>>57975108
+>Technological progress is not ontologically good
+I disagree.
+prove me wrong, fgt
+--- 57987744
+>take gun
+>add numerous posts of failure
+This makes the gun better how?
+--- 57987748
+>>57987687
+That's easy, the internet is a great example of this. It's improved our lives in some ways but has led to what is effectively the most destructive plague of mental illness ever unleashed on mankind and will probably lead to the downfall of humanity. You cant really take it back either since basically every industry and institution is now wholly dependent on it for making money, on top of normal people being completely and utterly dependent on it for social interaction and thus will never ever willingly let it go. Humanity was perfectly fine without it for decades and decades.
+
+>but muh modern advancements because internet
+We would have developed these even without the internet, the spread of information would have just been slightly slower.
+--- 57987782
+>>57975018
+It will be a gateway drug to gun control
+>wow smart gun so cool
+>okay every gun store has to stock at least one
+>okay every gun store can only sell smart guns
+>okay every smart gun has to be wifi capable
+>okay every smart gun has to broadcast your location at all times
+>okay every smart gun is turned off the second the government wants you arrested/dead
+>okay all smart guns are always turned off unless you're on a gun range
+>okay all smart guns are turned off forever, a friendly SWAT team will be around to collect them in a few minutes
+Fuck you and fuck your gay fucking iPhone gun. Kill yourself. Oh sorry you can't because your stupid fucking smart gun got wet and short circuited the battery.
+--- 57987827
+>>57987782
+I bet that was an Admiralty flag in the courtroom last time you fought a speeding ticket, huh, Citizen?
+Smart guns are going to come and fill up demand for all the reasonable use cases out there and there will still be plenty of cavemen guns for you and your fudd friends to stroke over
+--- 57987935
+>>57983119
+>tfw 5’6 
+>tfw stopped taking train bc weirdos kept following around with one even stalking
+>tfw randomly grabbed by crazy person 
+>even sexually assaulted while passed out from heat stroke 
+>drive instead but car gets robbed while away 
+NTA but another worthless thing about this gun is it’s way too big to conceal
+Ten times the price of a micro compact with a tenth the utility
+--- 57988215
+>>57987827
+>heh, you think the GOVERNMENT would ABUSE IT'S POWER?! You're probably just a schizo luddite!
+You are a shill AND a bootlicker.
+--- 57988299
+>>57987782
+>It will be a gateway drug to gun control
+Washington state did a slippery slope
+> really should do background checks on private sales
+> state to provide access to conduct background check
+> not mandatory, so don't panic
+> later, ya know, private sales are bad
+> all private sales must go through FFL
+> FFLs like this because it enforces their position as toll taker
+> later, ya know, should have training
+> poorly written initiative makes it onto the ballot and passes
+> state-wide must have training to transfer certain guns
+> clicking through a powerpoint deck will suffice, it's a joke
+> later, ya know, certain guns are dangerous
+> just sign into law no transfer of "evil guns" by name and/or feature
+> it's worse than CA or NY or NJ
+> reading fine print, can't order _parts_ that could be used to manuf. or repair evil guns
+> a fucking hammer spring is restricted now
+> the evil/clever thing is that this is aimed at the retailers and FFLs who won't risk their business to sell Joe Gunowner a bolt carrier
+> up next, mandatory training for all firearms to conduct a transfer
+Lots of states did the same thing with seat belt laws.
+So yeah, slippery slope is a thing. Fuck you and your "admiralty flag"
+--- 57988462
+>>57988215
+Ok Randy. how's the wife and kids?
+--- 57988489
+I ordered mine today
+--- 57988593
+>>57988299
+>seatbelt laws
+Great point, anon: seatbelts save a lot of lives. I was against smart guns until you pointed that simple fact out. 
+>>57988489
+What color did you get? I'm thinking about the fde
+--- 57988654
+>>57988299
+No one mentioned admirality flags, you stupid shill. You're simping for a peice of tech that WILL be used against you and trying to convince others they should join in. I will not. I will also tell everyone that you're a stupid fucking shill and a bootlicker. You're also dumb and gay AND a nigger. Get bent.
+--- 57988682
+>>57988489
+No you didn't.
+--- 57988687
+>>57988489
+>>57968030 (OP)
+Fuck yeah, me too. got the BWC edition with blue trigger pack
+--- 57988730
+>>57988299
+Is this an AI bot post? What is the argument? "Yes the slippery slope is real so we should just ignore it and slide down faster"? Is that what you're saying?
+--- 57988733
+>>57988593
+>What color did you get
+>>57988687
+>BWC edition with blue trigger pack
+that's the build I picked, its the "Launch Edition" and I get a "Custom Serial #" whatever the fuck that means
+Gotta love the Illuminati Eye right there on the BWC shaft, they didn't miss a single detail to make low-info voters seethe
+--- 57988747
+>>57973736
+It's a gun that literally takes your fingerprints and face scan.
+--- 57988767
+If you don't leave normal loaded guns scattered around your house you're literally an enemy of liberty. This is not sarcasm.
+--- 57989415
+>>57973736
+The account is needed to prevent skalpers.
+--- 57989453
+>>57973899
+You don't need to go into a store to download new firmware. You don't need to be online to install firmware. Installing firmware doesn't magically add a transceiver to a device. Existing versions of firmware don't break, so you have need to update if you don't require anything added in an update.

k/57968265.txt

@@ -65,3 +65,57 @@ Rainbow Six: PGA Tragedy
 >>57968299
 >Codex Compliant
 Fucking Guilliman, Ultramar is a cancer upon the Imperium.
+--- 57980743
+>>57973623
+
+I do see how it could work though. If he gets within stabbing distance he WILL fill you with lead.
+--- 57980749
+>>57973686
+The fact that it's a real website, luh-mao
+--- 57982364
+Hot off the press
+--- 57982419
+>>57982364
+any tearing?
+--- 57982494
+>>57982419
+It was torn before I even put the gun in
+--- 57983267
+Whos got the one of the British redcoats shithousing a range with black powder muskets
+--- 57983546
+Does anyone happen to have the picture from the POV of a boomer being handed a beer by his big titty mature wife in a bikini top on the porch? I've seen it here a million times but can't find it on google, it's like the perfect boomer fudd delusion.
+--- 57983969
+>>57968271
+So in the army the overwhelming majority of females are like this and idk why but when i heard a cop was behaving this way i was surprised. 
+Point is all females in uniform are whores.
+--- 57984191
+>>57973770
+What is source material?
+--- 57984596
+>>57982494
+Based
+--- 57986205
+>>57972450
+hmm
+--- 57988410
+>>57973704
+Weed Commandos successfully capture a high-ranking DEA officer (War on Drugs, colorized)
+--- 57990444
+>>57973704
+When I hear that coverage of a military operation is astroturfed, this wasn't quite what I had in mind
+--- 57990549
+>>57968286
+should rename that image file "last resort mall-ninja and just another a sin against man "
+--- 57990614
+>>57968299
+arquebus pattern bolter.
+
+originating from the planet Socali, the arquebus pattern bolter is intended to be used in massed line vollyies launching promethium filled bolter rounds, causing the highly flammable environment to deal damage in the event that the bolter rounds miss. this is particularly effective against the chaotic order of nurgle infestation that has established itself on the planet. though there are strong warnings for civilian populations to please be careful about scavaging from battle fields as many of the items found are known to the ministorum to cause an infection from warp-taint. this is under liturgical concordance 65.
+
+please disregard all messages originating from purported adiminitratum authorities, Socali is expressly under the control of the ministorum.
+--- 57990738
+>>57976366
+The days of $80 nuggets were simpler times.
+--- 57990853
+>>57976281
+what the fuck

k/57970275.txt

@@ -845,3 +845,166 @@ genius
 --- 57980502
 >>57970275 (OP)
 Simply sitting in a trench is not an effective defense. A good defense involves tactically offensive tasks like counter attacking to restore key defensive positions.
+--- 57980508
+>>57978517
+>hold my beer
+>t. Thermal equipped automated defense turrets
+Seriously, YouTubers make image/facial recognition turrets for nerf guns. It's not much harder to slap together a thermal equipped MG platform and tell it to 'shoot at moving blobs of heat in a 120 degree angle toward the enemy'.
+--- 57980524
+>>57979987
+Sheet metal sells for several hundred rubles, anon
+--- 57980541
+>>57972462
+Westoids just want to bring Russia to it's knees. But we will stop them.
+--- 57980675
+Two more weeks ukro shills?
+--- 57980692
+>>57970275 (OP)
+Exhausted as in depleted, moron.
+--- 57980718
+>>57980675
+yeah... I'm thinking two weeks
+--- 57980719
+>>57979101
+>>57973220
+If you're using bleach don't forget to add vinegar. Bleach alone won't effectively clean anything
+--- 57980736
+>>57973395
+Best as I can tell Russians have had a seething inferiority complex for centuries at the very least. That kind of insecurity permeating your entire culture born of rapist animals makes it impossible to do anything but mindlessly antagonise everyone.
+--- 57980759
+>>57979208
+>Ukraine and their total inability to realistically assess their own capabilities, always calling for a cure-all offensive that never comes. How many "army groups" of 3000 men each are they creating now? And how many of those men are above 40?
+You tell us anon, you sure sound like you have the numbers. Do tell.
+--- 57980802
+>>57970364
+This level of fatalism ... I cannot comprehend it. Even a termite would struggle. It's like they're actually relieved to die.
+--- 57980918
+>>57980524
+they could take apart washing machines for the parts they need
+--- 57980963
+>>57973427
+No. And I was not disputing that there's hard life in the trench. I was disputing that chart anon posted.
+--- 57980981
+>>57972866
+>what are your credentials?
+My own experience. I mean I'm just saying that those effect seem far fetched from what was happening to me. And I'm not alone apparently >>57980066
+
+>>57976820
+No.
+Again, I'm was not replying to OP but to that sleep deprivation chart.
+--- 57980986
+Ran out of Monster energy drinks.
+
+Lend Lease Some Monsters USA!!
+--- 57982687
+>>57978489
+It sure seems that way, but...
+>Surely that would mean any holes punched in the front by UAF would instantly become unstoppable floods as the vatnigs would totally lack the capacity to respond adequately or quickly
+Many armies have been destroyed by precisely this sort of assumption about Russia.
+--- 57982874
+>>57973637
+When this first came out it was speculated that they were experiencing hypothermia
+--- 57982881
+>>57970275 (OP)
+Is there a reason why the Russians or Ukrainians don't build spider holes like the Japanese did in ww2? It'd provide good top cover but allow them to shoot out of it if the enemy attacks. Is it the lack of morale? Wood for supports?
+--- 57982971
+>>57971372
+if this is even faintly accurate, this is the best case for why the spring offensive has been delayed I've seen yet
+--- 57983095
+>>57971841
+Doesn't it take a while to know if you have HIV or not? As much as I hate russians, I'm calling B.S.
+--- 57983123
+>>57983095
+>Doesn't it take a while to know if you have HIV or not?
+
+By symptoms alone? Yeah it'll take years
+
+But Russia has lots of HIV tests from humanitarian charities, and they're simple finger prick tests
+--- 57983133
+>>57983095
+prick tests can detect them anywhere from within 24 hours in the blood to 1 week since exposure.
+--- 57983138
+>>57970275 (OP)
+In what armed force did you serve?
+--- 57983175
+>>57971372
+/biz/ tier meme line
+--- 57983188
+>>57980802
+Hypothermia is stronger than you imagine.
+--- 57983206
+>>57982687
+What version of Russia? There is no USSR, it failed. There is no Warsaw Pact to help it, they're on the other side because they're free.
+
+You're clueless and brown.
+--- 57983233
+>>57983133
+They're Russian, why would they test or care? These are not people in the Western sense and only capable of rudimentary behaviors.
+--- 57983259
+>>57972462
+>>57973311
+if I got HIV like this I'd frag whichever officer was in charge of inoculation. fuck me this is disgusting
+--- 57983303
+>>57983206
+The versions of Russia with whom modern Russia shares their geography. It's a property of the land.
+--- 57983710
+>>57972923
+Yes, you win. Now go play with your friends honey
+--- 57983799
+>>57970326
+Brutal.
+
+>The cheapness and ease of use of these things is a massive force multiplier
+>May not kill as much as real arty by getting wounded and killed without warning is so bad for moral
+--- 57983829
+>>57980007
+Corruption and embezzlement, that's what they're made of.
+--- 57983988
+>>57970275 (OP)
+out of supply, poor logistics, constant contact = low ORG
+--- 57984021
+>>57971841
+even if its fake I still kek’d out loud out the absolute medieval tier nature of russia. 
+>get given HIV booster shot
+>shit
+>just throw him in an ‘open air pit’
+orc really is the best word for them,even nigs wouldnt do this.
+--- 57984027
+>>57972878
+You don't even know what that word means, you soi chugging tranny.
+--- 57984061
+>>57970890
+It shouldn't be surprising that nobody on either side actually wants to be there.
+--- 57984066
+>>57970364
+My only guess is these dudes were half asleep or something
+--- 57984101
+>>57970361
+when I had meth induced psychosis and wasn't sleeping at all I was straight up schizo. It is the craziest shit ever. I could not discern reality from hallucination whatsoever. I thought the cartel put a microchip in my brain and was brodcasting voices into my head to drive me insane.
+--- 57984105
+>>57980736
+That's poland you are talking about.
+Russia is just a prison larping as country.
+--- 57984126
+>>57970364
+>>57970326
+Im starting to consider WWI sniper ungentlemanly conduct gripes. War is fucking shit, and this just might be my personal bad taste in mouth, but still, eh.
+--- 57984159
+>>57979101
+Just use a flame and make it red hot :)
+--- 57986711
+>>57971243
+3rd picture looks like a Lada Niva.
+--- 57988363
+>>57971257
+>It worked just fine for France in 1917-18.
+The French were defending their own territory, weren't the side being blockaded/sanctioned, and there was a horde of Americans coming to bail them out against the Germans.
+--- 57988696
+>>57970389
+They should give mobiks tennis rackets and baseball bats so they can hit the grenades away from themselves mid-air.
+--- 57990940
+>>57970275 (OP)
+They are fighting for nothing and are losing severely. Low reward high risk to do anything
+--- 57991143
+>>57971686
+Petah Zion

k/57970486.txt

@@ -467,3 +467,129 @@ yep checks out
 I dont think thats gonna happen. Lots of countries have been cutting direct currency deals with Russia. 
 
 At the end of the day China will make sure Russia can stay in because it keeps the west occupied.
+--- 57981177
+>>57970639
+I'm tired of the shitposting, but the amount of kino from this war is unparalleled.
+--- 57981201
+>>57970524
+>https://files.catbox.moe/dss9he.mp4
+it only loaded audio for me on firefox but it worked on chrome
+--- 57981244
+Fucking hell the war footage propaganda videos have come a long way since the beginning of the war. Imagine what sort of clips we'll be watching in another year's time.
+--- 57981265
+>>57977715
+>Zelensky, the man elected on a pro peace with Russia platform, is assassinated
+>He is replaced with someone who has never wanted peace with Russia
+Bravo you really helped shorten the war retard
+--- 57981277
+>>57976644
+He wouldn't be a hoholshill without it.
+--- 57981348
+God damn, a WW1 tier trench raid with drones and modern fragmentation grenades. Terrifying. Doesn't look like much of a trench system though. Does anyone know if it's Ukranian or Russian? Dug to fall back from and then retake like this or just hastily erected?
+--- 57981397
+>>57976657
+Russia would if it could, but everyone smart enough to make that kind of drone bailed their country years ago to places that would give them real money
+Hence, the half-assed solution of using prisoners
+--- 57981411
+>>57981244
+?
+russia will win in just 2 more weeks
+--- 57982623
+>>57977267
+The published stats of that tiny bastard are insane. You need some special black magic to achieve that, not some OTS chinesium. A tiny whoop on a 1S is bigger, lasts a couple of minutes at most, and the transmitter can hardly handle a couple concrete walls. That's what three orders of magnitude in cost give you.
+--- 57983160
+>>57971487
+
+They are in use, but clearly not enough.
+--- 57983199
+>>57976557
+
+No. It was the trooped infront of the camera who threw his grenade to him (better angle), who then tossed in to the mobik's lap. You can see the trooper with blue stripes.
+--- 57983271
+Can someone geolocate it more precisely on the map?
+--- 57983337
+>>57972568
+Green was just so they had a colour that fit a bit more into the landscape, and to throw off infiltrators.
+--- 57983354
+>>57972329
+He's from Kharkiv or something iirc.
+--- 57983381
+>>57970746
+--- 57983435
+>>57970486 (OP)
+Why do they keep changing their markings? Sometimes the tape is blue, sometimes it's green. Why not just make it one color?
+--- 57983625
+>>57983435
+I think they swap between green/blue/yellow armbands on a semi-frequent basis to make it trickier for Russian infiltrators to figure what color tape they'd need for trying sneaky shit. Without prior up to date intel, guessing the correct color is bassically Russian Roulette with only two chambers empty.
+--- 57983694
+>>57971487
+In some recent video 93d brigade in Bakhmut particularly praised them, they very usefull, gib more.
+--- 57983698
+>>57983381
+BRILLIANT!
+--- 57983707
+>>57973960
+watch for 2 seconds more, you see a drone view of that same grenade, it lands in the midst of 5 people, 4 of them run away and the pieces flying away belong to the one that didnt run away
+--- 57985844
+Some short new video: https://rumble.com/v2klxti-browning-m2-work-at-night-near-bakhmut.html
+--- 57985986
+>>57970710
+Russia's* fify
+--- 57986018
+rumors on telegram are saying the uke's are launching lots of arty at the left bank of the river in kherson, like significantly more than normal.
+--- 57986069
+>>57985844
+Nice, generally what are the Ukrainians saying though since I don't speak slav
+--- 57986130
+>>57976557
+GRENADA!
+--- 57986157
+>>57970486 (OP)
+>Gore and mud
+When it zooms out to show what that man is fighting over, that's about it.
+--- 57986486
+>>57978856
+Lmao look at this fag getting upset that he doesn't get his Russian rape fantasy
+--- 57986891
+>>57978160
+Why are they all already dead in this last clip? Did they all get drone-dropped or something?
+--- 57986914
+>>57972642
+>Whats 100?
+Ammunition.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_200_(code_name)
+--- 57986921
+>>57970702
+--- 57986952
+>>57983381
+Nigger you missed the point
+--- 57989619
+>>57972568
+>white make sorta sense, but its a terrible color war
+The Russkies will eventually have to use alot of white...on flags....so they can surrender.
+--- 57989865
+>>57970639
+Thank you based Taras. I'll donate. Hope you keep putting vatnik scum in the ground and get home safe.
+--- 57990670
+>>57986952
+No he didnt
+--- 57990702
+>>57970570
+Yeah bro Vatniks are taking Uke trenches but only Vatniks are dying.
+--- 57990747
+>>57990702
+Yeah bro, you totally deboonked his claim that Ukrainians have no casualties!
+Oh wait...
+--- 57991213
+>>57976657
+At the end of the day that ground isn't really yours until you have a man with a gun plant a flag on it
+As a result, the PBI will always be necessary in war
+--- 57991222
+>>57971487
+aren't those things very expensive and rare?
+--- 57991231
+>>57976753
+You know I'd call that bullshit if it weren't for the constant, years long ammo shortage that everyone on this site is always complaining about
+--- 57991245
+>>57978856
+I think this might not be the right board for you, friend

k/57970713.txt

@@ -109,3 +109,353 @@ Nigga stfu you'd die in a civil war
 --- 57980334
 >>57973211
 I'd say a lot of it is just high-level bantz. They talk hella shit about each other but still consoom eachother's media and travel to their countries. I was surprised at how much animu was on Korean Tv. The Metro in Seoul even did announcements in Japanese.
+--- 57981472
+>>57980334
+Yea but fundamentally the people of both countries have some deep rooted feelings on the matter
+--- 57981585
+>>57970713 (OP)
+Very well equipped, decently trained, but historically has problems with initiative. Until recently, they took civilian control of the military so seriously that they needed civilian leadership permission just to fight on a tactical level. Luckily, they never actually get in fights, so only a couple of people were killed by this kind of tactical paralysation.
+--- 57982568
+>>57980334
+>The Metro in Seoul even did announcements in Japanese
+What did those announcements say? That Dokdo is Korean?
+--- 57982582
+>>57978810
+I know Poland doesn't really need a navy, but it feels weird seeing two submarines newer than our sole submarine being relegated to training role
+--- 57983385
+>>57982582
+Yeah, they also did something odd with their newest submarine class too, the JS Taigei is being used as a research and test platform for the rest of the class instead of actual operational use.
+--- 57983492
+Worst soldier quality in asia on par with the philippines and indonesia tier, probably even below pajeets and certainly ccp
+
+This particularly crash last week had their highest ranking general on board, japanese soldier quality is similar to japanese secret service quality and we all know that worked out for abe and now this 4 star general, incidents like this happen regularly
+
+https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65209753
+--- 57983512
+>>57983492
+Several days later they are still unable to definitely identify the bodies that washed ashore with helicopter debris due to the frequencies of these type of accidents in their military, a lt general was among the victims and in any other nation it would be front page news, but japan its brushed under the rug as most in japan despise the military as it only attracts the bottom of the barrel types there
+
+https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/04/08/national/sdf-military-helicopter-search/
+--- 57983526
+>>57983512
+Gookshill, just kill yourself.
+
+Are you ACTUALLY trying to imply they can't identify the bodies because they might be from some OTHER helicopter crash?
+--- 57983606
+Lmfao
+--- 57983620
+Lmfao...lmfao
+--- 57983704
+There has only been 1 F35 destroyed ever, this dubious distinction belongs to the Japanese Air Force
+
+A japanese pilot blacked out during a training flight, crash and got killed, but even worse the wreckage was never completely salvaged as the chinese and russians are suspects of having salvaged some of the wreckage in a security leak worse than an incompetent pilot death, soldier quality is a significant issue in japan, no other nation has lost an F35...ever
+
+The British came close to losing an F35 when a pilot drove it off the deck of a carrier but the F35 was salvaged by US and Italian naval forces
+
+All other F35s have been completely secured
+
+https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/06/10/japan-blames-spatial-disorientation-for-f-35-crash/
+--- 57983721
+>>57983704
+>There has only been 1 F35 destroyed ever
+gookshill, i swear to god if you could just take more than half a second to LOOK SOMETHING UP before saying it, you'd look a LOT less retarded.
+
+Instead, you just vomit out the most retarded shit possible that can be disproved in all of 2 seconds.
+--- 57983724
+>>57971643
+>the west is fundamentally 10+years behind China and Russia in hypersonics, which has created the current situation where the US has to go sociopathically insane in order to buy time to 'catch up'.
+This ignorant cope. Those two monkeys are greatly overexagerating cold war level programs in tech that the U.S. saw as a dead end. It's a weapon system that has two benefits on paper but in reality one benefit degrades the other.
+--- 57983749
+Japan has something like the 4th strongest navy in the world so it's no weakling in that regard. The army is nothing special but that's to be expected for an island nation because that army is only going to do something if they're invaded. I assume they have a pretty good air force but the USAF has such a presence there that they've probably until very recently used that as a justification to not spend more on their own.
+--- 57983816
+>>57983749
+The US refused to sell them the F-22 and they've been working on developing their own domestic fighter industry again ever since. They weren't able to come out with anything good enough to compare with the F-35 (which is why they're buying like 145 of them) but they recently joined the UK and Italy on the 6th generation GCAP fighter project which will be a massive boost to their air power assuming it stays on schedule.
+
+They're still doing pretty good all things considered though, 200 F-15s, 90 F-16s (F-2), and dozens of maritime patrol aircraft and some AWACS.
+Plus their ~25-35 F-35s with another 100 or so on order.
+--- 57983842
+>>57983721
+You fucking retarded idiot tranny weeb, there has been only 1 F35 pilot killed ever and that was a typically shitty japanese pilot, even the bong pilot that drove the F35 off the carrier deck was largely uninjured
+
+In addition, there has been 1 F35 that was destroyed and never salvaged, again Japan, you fucking pindick faggot, go back to sucking cock, at least you are good at that
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57983873
+>>57983842
+>In addition, there has been 1 F35 that was destroyed and never salvaged
+
+
+Nigger just kill yourself if you're gonna move the goal posts this fucking much.
+
+Do you REALLY want to defend the royal navy for "salvaging" this scrap heap?
+--- 57983897
+>>57983749
+> no slbms
+> no nukes
+
+The two most potent kill switch weapons, even north korea and india have slbms + nukes, uk and france would glass the japanese navy without even breaking sweat if they took a gloves off scortched earth policy
+--- 57983908
+>>57983842
+>there has been 1 F35 that was destroyed and never salvaged
+What does that matter? The Japanese one sank in too deep water. 
+
+USAF and USMC both wrote off 2 airframes from crashes
+USN wrote off 1
+Royal Navy wrote off 1
+
+Also the Japanese one was operating off-shroe not with a carrier or other support ships nearby. The Royal navy and the USN crashes happened while landing on carriers, so recovery of the aircraft could be done within minutes or hours.
+
+tldr; stop being a retard.
+--- 57983921
+>>57983873
+Tranny, destroyed for us military folks means not salvaged and not repairable, the bongs destroyed an F35 but salvaged, the japanese are the ONLY nation to have all of these: 1) PILOT KILLED, 2) F35 DESTROYED, 3) F35 SALVAGED BY ENEMY FORCES
+
+Get it tranny?
+--- 57983945
+>>57983921
+>F35 SALVAGED BY ENEMY FORCES
+ahh so not only are you delusional, but you're just gonna straight up lie through your teeth and pretend it's reality.
+
+Why don't you go suck your nordic brother's cock you dumb cuck
+--- 57983959
+>>57983721
+> worst korea pilot has an F35 malfunction mid-flight, control tells him to eject, pilot lands the F35 with no engine by performing a belly landing onto an airstrip, F35 repaired, pilot walks away like tom cruise
+
+How does rok keep winning?
+--- 57983995
+>>57983945
+Let's put it this way, the japs never found it and the chinese "mysteriously" come out with F35-like features on their stolen copies, you really think china can develop a prop engine plane let alone a 5th gen fighter by themselves?
+
+https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/japan-stops-search-for-crashed-f-35a-stealth-fighter-jet/
+--- 57984033
+>>57970713 (OP)
+>What are Japan's military capabilities like?
+So op that rapebaby gooks are still seething.
+>>57983492
+>>57983512
+>>57983606
+>>57983620
+>>57983704
+>>57983721
+>>57983842
+>>57983897
+>>57983921
+>>57983959
+>>57983995
+We all know Japs raped and genocided all the neighbors while none of them have even successfully landed on Japanese soil in history. There are things that never change.
+--- 57984057
+>>57983995
+You mean the planes that had already been in development (and flight tests) for years because they stole terabytes of technical data of the F-35 over a decade ago?
+
+Do you HONESTLY think china or russia has better deep-sea salvage capabilities than the US?
+--- 57984104
+>>57984033
+Lmfao koreans literally raped the japanese into existence, EVERY japanese alive carries korean y dna and japanese x dna
+
+In western terms, Koreans = Iberians, Japanese = Sudacas
+
+LMFAO
+--- 57984139
+Even more hilarious, zainichis have literally turned the japanese into a nation of sex slaves and ladyboys lmfao
+--- 57984149
+>>57984104
+This is just gook pseudohistory that can be disproved with ANY sort of peer-reviewed and accepted academic view on the subject.
+--- 57984153
+Lmfao
+--- 57984175
+Same with women of all nations japanese sloots just can't get enough of k-bulls
+--- 57984185
+>>57984153
+>>57984175
+Yes we know you post the SAME thing in every single thread you dumb faggot gook.
+
+EVERYONE in this thread has seen ALL of your posts before. NOTHING you're posting is new, or providing new information. On top of it being generally disprovable in half a second of googling.
+--- 57984186
+>>57984149
+Ask any japanese, this is what they teach in elementary schools
+
+t, part japanese went to elementary school in Japan
+--- 57984189
+>>57984149
+Are you retarded? This is literally considered canon by every credible historian
+--- 57984190
+>>57984186
+Yes I know you pretend to be japanese and nordic, no need to keep telling us more of your imagined personal details. We know you're a cuck without you spelling it out in every thread.
+--- 57984197
+>>57984189
+The movement of PEOPLE yes, the idea that the specific genetics are SOLELY Korean is some bullshit gookpesudohistory that is easily disproved.
+
+There are whole wiki pages dedicated to this garbage modern gook revisionism of history.
+--- 57984201
+>>57984104
+>>57984149
+>>57984186
+>>57984189
+Japanese are essentially Koreans combined with Jomon, this is why they look similar but Japanese are on average around 10cm shorter and 20kg lighter due to the Jomon "midget" gene
+--- 57984252
+>>57984201
+This is why japanese are midgets, they have very small stomachs and appetites due to extremely low testosterone levels, its impossible to fit SK and Japan on the same chart due to how far apart they are in terms of caloric consumptions:
+
+South Korea 3,420 calories per day, more than UK, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Finland, Spain, Hungary, Netherlands and New Zealand
+
+Japan 2,705 calories per day, less than Sri Lanka, Laos, Paraguay, Thailand, Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Nepal
+
+Lmfao
+
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake
+--- 57984271
+Katanas are cool. I wear mine in public when I want to impress girls.
+--- 57984276
+>>57984252
+>Lmfao
+I don't know what you're going through but I hope you'll get worse, it's entertaining
+--- 57984442
+>>57978810
+Oh thanks for the update! Was not expecting that
+--- 57984468
+>>57984104
+>>57984201
+Your map itself disproves your delusion, gookshill
+It's JAPANESE tribes that emigrated from the continent to Japanese archipelago in the first place. As the map shows they didn't even originate in the peninsular. Since gooks got raped by Han, Mongol, Manchu, and Yamato master race throughout history, you had to invent such prehistoric fantasies to make everyone Korean to cope with the miserable history. Everybody knows that Korea is the Mexico of China and Japan literally and figuratively, colonized rapebaby monkeys.
+--- 57984700
+>>57984468
+Koreans literally raped the japanese race into existence and raped the southern chinkies into a quasi-northern asiatic mutt race, genetics tells the entire story as is proven by ALL credible geneticist, there is only one race that is 100% Allele A, Koreans, every other race has some level of Allele G originated from sub-saharan africa (lmfao)
+
+This is why EVERY female in the world, and particularly in Asia, crave k-bulls because they crave the ubermensch genes that only Koreans have, both the japanese and chinese are the most raped races in all of the world and certainly in Asia, a whorehouse for superior foreign males since the beginning of their pathetic existence
+--- 57984709
+>>57984700
+This is literally the exact kind of delusional revisionist history those papers and books talk about.
+
+Good job being a showcase example I guess.
+--- 57984723
+>>57970713 (OP)
+>see thread about Japan
+>ctrl + F + "lmfao"
+>11 results
+Yep, it's the korean incel again.
+--- 57984790
+Koreans are genetically almost the same as Manchus
+
+02B is essentially the Korean + Manchu core haplogroup, and all of the 02B in Japanese came from Koreans
+
+D1B is the Jomon haplogroup, before the 02B peoples migrated to the Korean peninsula thousands of years ago, the natives of the Korean peninsula were essentially Jomon and the same as the Japanese archipelago, so trace amounts still remain in Koreans, but are primarily found in southern and northern Japanese, the Korean 02B colonization of Japan focused on western and eastern Honshu, incidentially D1B is also shared with Tibetans and Papua New Guineans
+--- 57984852
+>>57984700
+Pathetic projection stemming from the fact Korea is a product of rape/genocide of the peninsula by Chinese, Mongolian, Manchurian, and Japanese.
+
+>>57984790
+>02B is essentially the Korean 
+That's where gook fantasy starts. There's no such thing as Korean haplogroup. Gooks are historically proven rapebabies, of course you share Y haplotypes with neighbors that have conquered/owned your country.
+--- 57984967
+>>57984852
+That is more delusional than the greeks and romans were actually sub-saharan africans you fucking tranny weeb, japanese are literally the product of getting raped into existence, remember the rule of thumb:
+
+Koreans = Iberians
+
+Japanese = Sudacas
+
+Lmfao
+--- 57984983
+>>57984967
+The only difference is that Koreans are taller than Spanish and Portuguese and Japanese are shorter than Sudacas except maybe Bolivians or Guatemalans where they are of comparable stature
+--- 57985279
+>>57984967
+Being a colony and rapebaby of Japan makes up a large part of Korean identity as you yourself have been proving Japan lives in your head rent free. Also Korea is not only known as rapebabies but an eternal slave race that has never conquered or ruled anyone, Iberians would get mad if they were likened to Korea of all shitholes. You are a colonized slave race, it's absurd to even try to compare gooks with Yamato or Iberians, the conquerors, and you are worse than Mexicans, at least they have some real histories to be proud of unlike Korea.
+--- 57985488
+>>57970713 (OP)
+Look good on paper but pretty bad. Mainly because their entire military was designed to be complementary to the US, so they'll faire poorly on their own.
+
+For example their navy is specialized against submarine, which is worthless against PLAN surfaces fleet.
+--- 57985573
+>>57985488
+>For example their navy is specialized against submarine, which is worthless against PLAN surfaces fleet.
+This is retardedly reductionist.
+
+Their air force specifically developed long-range high-supersonic anti-ship missiles specifically to go against the PLAN surface fleet.
+
+
+Not to mention their MASSIVE amount of VLS cells in their navy which can pack anti-ship missiles, even if they primarily are used for BMD and air defense.
+--- 57985584
+Small army, pretty big navy.
+Even though they’re spending very little compared to their gdp, it’s such a large economy that their spending is top 10 in the world.
+Unfortunately their military industry is very expensive because their companies are barely allowed to export anything so they don’t get good economies of scale and such and because of the expensive labour.
+Also about a quarter of their military spending is spent on repairing things after earthquakes.
+They have decent technology and being allied to the USA can be a good thing for the capability of your military, for example if you can get intelligence from them instead of spending billions on planes/satellites to get it yourself.
+Korea has a better ground army, but Japan might be better in the sea and air. China is obviously just very, very much larger so it’s hard to compete with them. Russia is Russia (and they’re much weaker in Asia than in Europe because of the distance)
+--- 57985604
+>>57985584
+>Unfortunately their military industry is very expensive because their companies are barely allowed to export anything so they don’t get good economies of scale and such and because of the expensive labour.
+Though it should be noted that money is being spent on the domestic economy, domestic jobs, domestic labor, domestic production, this is all keeping the money in the country. 
+
+Sure, they COULD buy cheaper equipment from Europe or the US, but then they're sending ALL of that money overseas and keeping none of it in the local economy.
+
+So sure, they spend more to keep it domestic, but they also reap a lot of economic value from domestic production/sales than they would from importing foreign military goods. 
+
+Not to mention keeping your highly skilled technical industries employed and trained.
+--- 57985881
+>>57971643
+>technological inferiority problems vs Russia&China
+Kek, trying too hard.
+--- 57985967
+>>57985881
+Japan is not high tech, anime rot your brain.
+The fact that China developed their domestic airliner while Japan failed should tell you something.
+
+Russian stuff are shit tho. The best flankers are Chinese.
+--- 57986091
+>>57970713 (OP)
+Solid for the designated purpose but has some large gaps in capabilities. They know this though, and seem to be taking steps to fill said gaps.
+--- 57986182
+>>57983897
+Japan is one of those "they could be fully nuclear-armed within a year if they polticially felt it was necessary" countries so them being non-nuclear has a hell of an asterisk attached to it.
+--- 57986202
+>>57985573
+Japanese subs have no missiles and their torpedos are pre-cold war era but even more troubling is their poor crewmen quality incompetence doesn't begin to explain how bad they are, anybody that has done business with a japanese company think any meeting with a japanese company where there is room of 15+ out of shape hobbits where everybody is either smoking or sleeping hobbits with one guy doing the talking just smiling and nodding to everything you say...
+--- 57986226
+>>57985584
+Japan reminds me of Saudi Arabia, relatively decent sized military budget (but not large by any means, anything less than $300+ billion is average at best), but with equipment that is watered down from the US or even NATO with personnel that don't know what they are doing
+--- 57986247
+>>57986202
+So now they have torpedoes from the 40s, you schizo?
+--- 57986250
+>>57985881
+If you think Japan is ahead of anything in China technologically proves you've not been outside in the past several years, Japanese used to have decent technology in the commercial space but they are far behind China today, militarily Japan has always been a technological midget and not doing anything about still to this day whereas China has stolen/copied enough from the US were they can pull together weapons far more advanced than anything Japan is capable of
+--- 57986263
+>>57986182
+Lmfao there are about 100+ countries that fall into this category idiot, South Africa HAD nukes over 50 years ago as an example
+--- 57986353
+>>57986202
+>their torpedos are pre-cold war era
+Im sorry, what?
+
+They have some of the newest torpedos of any country.
+
+The Type 18 torpedo came into service in 2018. Replacing the Type 89 torpedo (from 1989, and supposedly similar to the USN's Mark 48 ADCAP) Basically nothing is publicly known about the Type 18 torpedo besides the fact it is in service on the Taigei-class.
+--- 57986389
+>>57982568
+No, just announcements of stops and transfers.
+
+>>57981472
+I'd say younger people don't care as much. I think a lot of Asian nationalists who talk non stop about killing their neighbors are seen in a similar light as /pol/-tards. Not saying there isn't resentment or prejudice, but the people who focus on it constantly are outliers.
+--- 57986536
+>>57986353
+>>57986202
+They also have the Type 97 from 1997, and the new lightweight Type-12 Torpedo from 2012 which can be mounted on the tip of their Type-07 vertical-launched anti-submarine rocket. IT is also used on their maritime patrol planes and anti-sub helos (SH-60K).
+
+The Type 97 is used on a lot of their surface ships for their deck-mounted torpedo launchers, and also for their maritime patrol planes. 
+
+But yes, the idea japan is somehow using old torpedos is retarded.
+--- 57988118
+Japan is our greatest Asian ally
+--- 57988366
+>>57988118
+Lmfao we didn't even nuke isis or afghanistan, at least with the ragheads we treated them with some limited modicum of human decency
+--- 57990035
+>>57986250
+That's a typical chink/gook pipe dream. Production of commodities have been largely transferred to China over the past three decades but Japan still holds key technologies China is still dependent for in almost every area. The fact that the US asks Japan and the Netherlands to join the embargo of advanced semiconductor manufacturing equipment to hamstring chip production in China speaks volumes, and look at how China can't do anything to Japan in retaliation but only whines simply because they have no cuttingedge tech that could be utilized as a tool to bring pressure to bear on Japan. Highest grades materials and equipment crucial for yielding highest performances always come from the US, EU, or Japan, not even a single reverse case, which is why nobody takes chink wunderwaffe seriously.
+--- 57990177
+>>57985604
+I meant that it’s expensive because their military industry is rarely allowed to sell anything to other countries. 
+Other countries want to export as many weapons as possible to improve their military industry which makes the weapons cheaper for their own military.
+Japans pacifist laws prevents that, which means that it’s militarily is much weaker than it should be with that much money

k/57970801.txt

@@ -308,3 +308,371 @@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSWhMV70Lo&ab_channel=MajorSamm [Embed]
 --- 57980484
 >>57970801 (OP)
 England should get rid of its military entirely so it can build more mosques.
+--- 57980544
+>>57980011
+Imagine the tofu dreg
+--- 57980555
+>>57970801 (OP)
+I wonder what the average downtime due to parts replacement on American carriers looks like and whether or not it's similar and or happens just as often but is considerably less visible due to the nature of them having like 9 of these things. Probably it's a bit worse for Brits as they're walking in and around topical land that, more recently, has been somewhat out of their expertise. Not to mention the US being able to dabble in waters of considerable difference regarding resources and general wealth. France has had many issues with its carrier as well. At one point one might wonder and ponder the use in national defense, or expansion of influence world-wide, if smaller nations can't rightly keep large fleet carriers up and running for a reasonable amount of time. The idea of one in dry and one out operating is somewhat worthy of the bin if you can't even keep one running.
+--- 57980579
+>>57970801 (OP)
+That's exactly why there's two of them.
+Meanwhile, France sweats profusely thinking of its single Charles de Gaulle
+--- 57980597
+>>57980555
+Probably almost zero because America just makes parts ahead of time.
+--- 57980616
+>>57974077
+vatnig moment to be honest
+--- 57980693
+>>57980316
+> 40 years behind Japan
+Do boomers really believe this?
+--- 57980782
+>>57980693
+In terms of technology used in the UK on production lines and such? Britain was still using production methods from the late 50s in the 80s while Japan was beginning more modern production. Britain didn't get a taste of that until Toyota opened up in Donington and we got a Corolla factory using Japanese hardware. 
+Britain was massively behind in terms of vehicle production technology for a long ass time and it took till the late 90s to get any kind of parity with Europe or Japan. We are about even now but thats purely because outside robotic automation, there's only so far you can go with a production line. The same can be said of food factories as well. In the region I've done contracted maintenance, the machines are literally so old that even China doesn't have spare parts for them and we have active bidding wars to get specific parts against other outdated facilities using refurbs because the systems in question are from the fucking late 70s and the owners won't invest large amounts to modernise it. 
+New factories are perfectly fine and modern but if it's something like a seafood factory thats over 50 years old, there's machines there that are older than me and the companies involved in their manufacturing went bust/got bought out/moved production abroad decades ago.
+--- 57981120
+>>57974077
+ARE THOSE 
+THOSE
+THOSE
+THOSE SPY CRANES!?
+--- 57981155
+>>57980011
+Yeah basically. 
+Chinese carrier cruises are also getting increasingly longer and more complex.
+--- 57981158
+>>57980101
+based
+--- 57981172
+>>57974077
+oh no no no...
+--- 57981191
+>>57970801 (OP)
+--- 57981202
+>spam the same threads over and over
+>nobody actually reads the source (the source 'Navy source')
+>the parts that were 'cannibalised' were done to ensure the ship was operational while the replacement was built (wtf things need maintenance?)
+it is a literal nothing burger. this is like moaning about littoral ships for the USN being shit because they have no range and are constantly sinking or going to sink.
+--- 57981224
+>>57981202
+>but what about the Americans experimental ship class!
+kek
+--- 57981949
+>>57980011
+>>57981155
+Yeah, China got their 2 operational carrier groups and 1 new one just finished up. They still have 2 more in the works.
+--- 57982029
+>>57981949
+>China got their 2 operational carrier groups and 1 new one just finished up
+May I see them?
+--- 57982326
+>>57982029
+One is operating near Guam and the other in the SCS near the Philippines right now
+--- 57982376
+>>57982326
+That a no then?
+--- 57982466
+>>57981949
+To think we are going to see at least 5 carrier groups getting sunk within a couple of decades.
+--- 57982608
+>>57982466
+Thats one likely, alternative is for US to back down.
+--- 57983495
+>>57982376
+As spotted by the Japanese
+--- 57983498
+>>57970906
+So why aren't you guys using your third carrier?
+--- 57983500
+>>57983495
+Satellite shot
+--- 57983515
+>>57983500
+And april 25 again, this time with flight ops
+--- 57983536
+>>57979682
+retard
+--- 57983572
+>>57983495
+>>57983500
+>>57983515
+So we got 1 carrier and 5 ships of unknown class (bottom one is a supply ship?)...assuming we trust some random twitter account.
+Oh, and also a single plane and a single helicopter. Where's the rest of the claim? Pictures are so shit I can't even seen the pennant numbers.
+--- 57983588
+>>57983572
+>random twitter
+You mean the official JMSDF twitter?
+
+https://twitter.com/jointstaffpa/status/1645275513286721537
+--- 57983596
+>>57983588
+>80 fixed wing sorties and 40 rotary sorties over 3 days. 
+
+An ok sortie rate for a STOBAR carrier of this size with such a large/unwieldy fighter like J-15, especially as pics suggest it isn't carrying a full airwing this deployment. Likely not doing intensive cycles either.
+--- 57983607
+>>57983596
+--- 57983627
+>>57983607
+Also, doing UNREP with a Type 901 AOE
+
+https://twitter.com/thewarzonewire/status/1645830182362820608/photo/1
+--- 57983633
+>>57970906
+Noobs don't know cannibalization is intrinsic to most fleet maintenance not just military or maritime. Air forces would barely fly without cann'ing to buffer Supply.
+--- 57983642
+>>57983588
+No, the random twitter in the first pic that claimed this was evidence of their 2nd carrier reaching the same level of "operational maturity" as their first. A concept reflected in the fuilename. Are we going to play dumb now and pretend like that wasn't the intent?
+--- 57983644
+>>57971442
+>the last PROVE
+
+How can you not kill yourself for being brown?
+--- 57983663
+>>57980316
+>British upper and middle class did this. Don't blame the Tories past the fact they did what laissez faire capitalists do.
+>Allowing communist backed unions to strike consistently and not offer any restitution such as reeducation to the industries that you have to shut down, like mining and the steel works that were supplying our shitty hand produced cars, while privatising every ounce of utilities so the price ever skyrocketed, especially post Net Zero retardation, was a consistent issue that the government slept on, long before Thatcher.
+
+The problem in britbongistan is that the degenerate upper upper class consist of jews and jew hybrids, and the equally degenerate lower upper class consists of goyim that adore them and emulate them. To be competitive in industrial works you need to constantly invent and reinvest in your industries, but jewish economic doctrines are 100% focused on maximum value extraction, so everything is run into the ground while profit is dispersed to the shareholders and upper management. This is exactly the same reason as to why Russia is an industrial dwarf compared to the Soviet Union and as to why America has imploded industrially. 
+
+Privatizing public utilities is another core tenet of jewish economic doctrines, since this allows for easy rentier parasitism on clueless goyim. These privatizations are commonly coupled with jewish lawfare that forbids you from drilling your own well or installing your own septic tank. 5th generation warfare is jewish warfare and if you want to master it you have to learn to think like a jew, since they are the indisputable masters of this, having done 5G warfare since the bronze age.
+--- 57983685
+>>57983642
+The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
+
+The first carrier CV16 Liaoning has done exactly those same excercises earlier, also with evidence provided by the helpful Japanese.
+
+Maybe you should tell the Japanese to stop making propaganda for China by releasing such high quality pictures of the PLAN all the time.
+--- 57983701
+>>57983685
+Full deck Shangdong.
+--- 57983708
+>>57983701
+Full deck Liaoning.
+
+Pennant number is always at the ski-jump for easy ID.
+--- 57983725
+>>57983572
+According to the report from the japs its 2 missile destroyers, a frigate, and 2 supply ships
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052D_destroyer
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052C_destroyer
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
+
+>>57983627
+About time they started practicing this. They are way behind if they expect to goto war anytime soon with their carriers, especially since they need to be refueled once a fucking week.
+--- 57983738
+>>57982466
+>To think we are going to see at least 5 carrier groups getting sunk within a couple of decades.
+
+China will have more than 5 carrier battle groups by 2030. I would say that they can get parity with USN by 2030-33 if they are willing to invest money in production. Thats why there are so much warmongering noises from America right now, they know that they have to strike before the chinks grow too big and strong.
+--- 57983742
+>>57983685
+>The twitter is right. The Japanese spotted the CV17 Shangdong, which is the 2nd carrier.
+That wasn't the claim, the claim was that it was just as operational which has yet to be determined. If you just would have said it was out cruising around (which is all we know) then you wouldn't be getting pushback.
+
+Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
+--- 57983753
+>>57983725
+actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present, which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way (maybe because its a big ass warship and we all know japanese kind of have some special feelings for big ass warships).
+--- 57983760
+>>57983738
+>China will have more than 5 carrier battle groups by 2030.
+Not even the chinks are claiming this. How strong is that hopium they got you huffing?
+--- 57983763
+>>57983753
+>actually, everytime there was a Type 055 present
+Wasn't in the jap report that you are claiming as your source. If you got something else than post it up, don't give a shit about your government issued folder of propoganda pics.
+--- 57983765
+>>57983742
+>Now, is a carrier and 3 combat ships your idea of a CSG?
+
+see
+>>57983753
+and
+>>57983495
+
+There are 2x Type 055s, 1x 052D, 1x 054A and 1x Type 901 AOE
+
+The Type 055 alone have more combined VLS than the entire british navy.
+--- 57983777
+>>57983765
+>>57983763 said it well enough
+--- 57983801
+>>57983753
+>which caused quite a ruckus because the Japanese really fears that thing in a mythical way
+Oh, you're just trolling. You had me going for a bit.
+--- 57983809
+>>57972540
+Criminally underrated
+--- 57983814
+>>57983763
+https://twitter.com/jointstaffpa/status/1650719985692725249/photo/1
+
+Can you read Katakana?
+
+>レンハイ型巡洋艦
+>レンハイ
+--- 57983824
+>>57983708
+How long until chink carriers based on the kuznetsov-class are belching nasty black soot clouds that look like volcanic eruptions on satellite photos?
+--- 57983826
+>>57983814
+And yes, that's from the current cruise
+(4月25日)
+--- 57983837
+>>57983824
+never.
+Chinese maintenance is top notch and every piece of engine hardware is shiny new.
+--- 57983849
+>>57983837
+They're at least a step ahead of the USSR in that regard.
+--- 57983851
+>>57983837
+I mean, they're new. Admiral Kuznetsov used to look like this as well.
+--- 57983859
+>>57983849
+>>57983851
+Also, they dont use that Mazut fuel.
+--- 57983872
+>>57983837
+based
+--- 57983881
+>>57983837
+>>57983849
+Polishing the surfacing doesn't mean it's top notch internally.
+Stop being retarded
+>>57983851
+I hope someday they open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
+--- 57983887
+>>57983814
+So we have increased by an additional missile destroyer. So a CSG is a carrier (with no evidence of capable air wing) and 4 combat ships (one of them just a frigate)? This is the big deal?
+
+>>57983849
+So they claim. We'll see.
+--- 57983907
+>>57983738
+China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
+
+That amount of carriers is pointless for their territorial waters. And China is not a global power. No amount of carriers would let them project power everywhere without friendly ports and support all over the globe. The only purpose would be a dickwaving contest with USA. I doubt chinks are that retarded with their money.
+--- 57983917
+>>57983887
+I would assume they've got at least 2 submarine escorts too.
+--- 57983943
+>>57980205
+Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Clement Attlee did this. Baldwin did this. Attlee gave away the empire without a fight, opened the doors to the whole world and began decolonization and globalization before either were a thing. Baldwin allowed the Bank of England to be controlled by the Americans and Germans when it mattered most. As the BoE was forcing austerity on us through the 20’s and 30’s which stripped Britain and the empire of the means to defend ourselves, its masters on Wall Street were funding the USSR, Italy, and Germany with free lines of credit and gold (Czech gold reserves stored in London just given over for free to the Germans without telling the British government, hello??????) for nigh 20 years before the outbreak of WW2. The German "economic miracle" was a BoE project.
+To be perfectly clear: British wealth and industry was, unknown to the public, used to build up our enemies. British credit, steel, and chemicals were used to rain destruction down on our own cities, and we’ve never recovered since. Thatcher was just the surgeon who amputed the gangrenous limbs and bought the patient some time, but the rot is still terminal. The sterling crises of the 60’s and 70’s did us in. It’s literally over, and we’ve been in free-fall ever since.
+--- 57983996
+>>57983917
+...okay? Still not implessive just because you throw in a couple type 039s.
+--- 57984082
+>>57971442
+No they are made around the PAAMS/Horizon program
+--- 57984119
+>>57983996
+Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
+
+Come on kid, at least TRY and make sense with your argument.
+
+Also what exactly do you think a CSG SHOULD consist of?
+
+A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
+--- 57984221
+>>57984119
+>Yeah because they TOTALLY wouldn't use their Type 093 for their brand new CSGs.
+Seemed like a waste to chain one of their few SSNs to an easily trackable CSG but if you think that'd be preferable, then sure. Still doesn't change the calculus that much though.
+>A US CSG is generally composed of the Carrier, Carrier air wing, 2-3 DDGs, and maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts, and then 2 SSNs.
+Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific).
+>Carrier air wing
+Yeah, still waiting to see evidence of that. But everyone time I bring that up it seems to get glossed over and ignored. Funny that. I'm sure its just an accident and I shouldn't read into it...
+--- 57984451
+>>57983907
+>China wasting its money on expensive yet useless stuff like that would be somewhat of a good thing from western perspective, though.
+
+China building carriers and escort vessels is "wasting money on useless stuff" while USA building carriers and escort vessels is "investing in our military capability". The fact is, America cannot afford an arms race with China, nor can it participate, since it lacks the industrial base.
+--- 57984466
+>>57984221
+>Forgot the cruiser or two. Plus they usually run with 2 or 3 corvettes nowadays (least the ones banging around the Pacific).
+No I didn't, those would be the 
+> maybe another 2-3 smaller escorts
+--- 57984522
+>>57984451
+Indeed, chinks lack the global ties to make any serious use of them. Amassing carriers to bully their local neighborhood is not the brightest idea.
+Those kuznetsov-derived conventional fuel burners hardly even count as blue water carriers. China is a toddler playing at the shallow end of the pool.
+--- 57984552
+>>57980579
+Why does France lives rent free in your mind anon?
+--- 57984561
+>>57970801 (OP)
+i saw this floating around /his trolling the brits a long time ago, but today i guess its even fucking funnier.
+--- 57984581
+>>57984466
+>cruisers are smaller than destroyers
+Bye bye tourist
+--- 57984608
+>>57984581
+Nigga, the cruisers are just DDGs by a different name, and they're included in that count.
+
+Usually it's 1-2 DDGs and 1 Tico.
+--- 57984629
+>>57970906
+Came here to post this, seems I didn't need to. The huge amount of low IQ tourists on this board unfortunately means explanations like this are increasingly needed. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could have figured this out themselves.
+--- 57984641
+>>57984608
+You really don't need to convince me you have no idea what you are talking about . I got it clearly the first time. Run on back now.
+--- 57984657
+>>57984629
+Don't get too steamed over it. Its just shills ore idiots pretending to be shills. This is at least the second time this thread has been created and the new is like 2 days old
+--- 57984665
+>>57984641
+Lol you're the delusional retard who seems to think US CSGs are made up of almost a dozen surface combatants.
+--- 57984716
+>ctrl+f dozen
+>1 result
+Fucking idiots can't even strawman worth a damn
+2/10
+--- 57985030
+>>57983536
+oops sent the wrong picture
+
+I'm trans and british btw
+--- 57985068
+>>57985030
+Stop stealing my cred, nigga
+--- 57985167
+>>57985030
+>>57985068
+kay
+--- 57985639
+>>57973887
+>what part of [thing] you don't understand?
+ESL detected, likely Indian or Brazilian
+--- 57985799
+I can shoot a gun better than any yank on this board because I have the sense to aim the gun away from my own head.
+
+>t. Brit
+--- 57986108
+>>57983881
+>open up the sealed up parts of its Russian sister tin can to find horrors beyond human comprehension
+Altars to Baba Yaga and the Iron Wolf in hidden compartments.
+Colonies of tiny gymnasts (the ones who failed to make the olympic teams) scuttling around the ventilation ducts.
+Luminous pools of borscht with sentient fungi growing in them.
+Putin's hidden vaults.
+--- 57988174
+>>57984552
+because they could be based, but are just petty and chauvinistic. A waste.
+--- 57988667
+>>57970906
+Why don't you just buy a Nimitz
+--- 57989375
+what's even the point of britain having a carrier. It has no colonial aspirations, no jingo culture, it's a thoroughly de-fanged country. At least france has some semblance of militarism left and enough political will to wave it's dick around weaker countries.
+--- 57989384
+>>57970906
+>reddit spacing
+--- 57989614
+>>57989375
+And the largest EEZ in the world
+--- 57989636
+>>57970974
+bong genetics

k/57970928.txt

@@ -99,3 +99,93 @@ U in trouble
 --- 57980477
 >>57970928 (OP)
 I shoot my officers
+--- 57980799
+>>57970928 (OP)
+Save the princess.
+--- 57980850
+>>57970928 (OP)
+--- 57980890
+>>57970928 (OP)
+>In the event of your capture or surrender, Russian intelligence will release fabricated evidence of your war crimes, leading to an inevitable sentence in the Azov cumpits.
+Your scenario is retarded because it relies on Ukraine believing Russian lies to keep all the responses from being hochuzhit.com
+--- 57980912
+>>57976066
+Lovely drawing, anon.
+--- 57980928
+Best thread in /k/ rn, I'm phonefagging so sadly can't post
+Have a bump instead
+--- 57980954
+>>57970928 (OP)
+I don't think they have tanks from this century.
+--- 57980973
+>tanks from this century
+Its ogre, no one can stop such wunderwaffen
+--- 57981079
+>>57970928 (OP)
+I shoot my commanding officer and shout "we're all going home bros!".
+--- 57981092
+>>57976066
+kek
+--- 57981297
+>>57970928 (OP)
+Can I shoot myself in the foot and go home?
+--- 57981333
+>>57971533
+kek and checked
+--- 57982660
+>>57970928 (OP)
+>I can be trusted around officers with hand grenades and automatic weapons
+--- 57983646
+>>57981297
+no, they'll specifically leave you on the frontline >pour encourager les autres
+--- 57983744
+>>57970928 (OP)
+>you have been forcibly conscripted into the Russian armed force and assigned to the frontlines of the Ukrainian special military operation.
+
+Finally, I can live my dream...
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si7dl6BU78E [Embed]
+--- 57983798
+>>57974546
+Plot twist: You get poked, at both ends.
+--- 57984530
+actual 5000 hours in gimp
+--- 57984546
+>>57984530
+nice job, I love the details
+--- 57984626
+>>57970928 (OP)
+Not a real question.
+Your picture isn't showing the defenses that are already in place.
+I relax and have a drink
+
+>>57971009
+kek
+--- 57985436
+>>57984530
+Where is the gesture of good will?
+--- 57985487
+>>57976066
+Underated thread.
+--- 57986773
+I go to the ammo depot before doing anything
+--- 57986854
+>>57986773
+Then, I blackmail the depot personnel by telling them I'll report their gay porn collection to the Colonel if they don't give me access to the artillery shells.
+--- 57986938
+>>57986854
+After this, I decide to play with my newly acquired artillery shells. I decide to slam one of them with my shovel.
+--- 57986950
+>>57986938
+This will result in 41 dead ziggers including myself. The resulting destruction will be blamed on a HIMARS strike.
+--- 57987097
+>>57985436
+--- 57987194
+>>57970928 (OP)
+I surrender immediately
+--- 57988610
+>>57970928 (OP)
+8 seconds in ms paint
+--- 57990960
+>>57970928 (OP)
+Easy, I station myself behind a strong natural barrier the Ukrainians aren't able to attack through.

k/57972246.txt

@@ -106,3 +106,67 @@ the гoблин
 Russians are half a pinky less chunk dicked than Indians lmao and they’ll never prove this wrong 
 
 Russians are the missing link between impotent little faggot dicks and China
+--- 57980778
+>>57973058
+>holdomor genocide
+Didn't happen. But it should have.
+--- 57980859
+>>57974886
+>brits having such a fragile ego
+>Italians, so used to having their ego checked by reality, decided to wear the coolest hat instead
+--- 57980950
+>>57972881
+By April 2023? Like 95%.
+--- 57983713
+only cowards need legs to fight
+--- 57983802
+>>57974886
+ok now post the obviously photoshopped reverse
+--- 57984550
+>>57983695
+unedited version
+--- 57987632
+>>57974886
+Do we have any way to reverse engineer just how tall these guys are
+--- 57987724
+>>57974886
+Who is the 3rd tallest from?
+--- 57987785
+>>57972927
+harkonnen
+--- 57987967
+>>57987724
+Australia
+--- 57987987
+>>57974059
+Not as much as you'd think. There are tall people and short people in the military.
+--- 57988088
+>>57987632
+--- 57989308
+>>57987987
+I love burgers, but most are very short people even the White ones
+--- 57989333
+>>57972927
+6 elixir
+--- 57989359
+>>57987632
+Knowing the type of rifle each is holding and the length of the bayonet would tell you. It actually shouldn't be that hard because as long as you know which country they are from and the rifles they are issued at the time, the information is on the interwebz. I'm just too lazy and don't care enough to look it up.
+--- 57989729
+>>57974886
+The Boxer Rebellion was fucking bonkers.
+--- 57990092
+>>57988088
+--- 57990132
+>>57989308
+I don't know that height makes a huge difference, unless you're expecting to have to wrestle your enemies. Well, unless they're comically short to the point that they actually have trouble holding the guns like chinks.
+Is there even much space inside tanks for big dudes?
+--- 57990150
+>>57990132
+No I’m pretty sure the air force and tankers specifically look for tiny people to work the damn things
+--- 57990815
+>>57974059
+Most of them. Manlets gravitate towards the military. Pilots tend to be lanky dyels but if you wear a patrol cap you're probably under 5'10".
+--- 57990826
+>>57972846
+>easier target 
+I can see why they lost to Germany

k/57972732.txt

@@ -153,3 +153,59 @@ nice flinch
 The funny thing about that sights pic is it's from the Outdoor Hub article about the new Pythons at the 2020 SHOT show which means it's one of the Colt's Manufacturing display models and that's absolutely pathetic. You can tell it's on a display stand on a table. Judging by the location of the sight blade, the 6 inch barrel version pictured at the bottom of the article is the same gun. (pic rel)
 
 https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2020/01/28/shot-show-2020-colt-spotlights-new-python/
+--- 57980517
+>>57978728
+>>57979845
+Are the new Czolts any better?
+--- 57980661
+>>57980517
+I was talking about Czolts. Mine is a 2022 model that I bought in January. I haven't had any problems with it. Accuracy is good, the double action trigger pull weight is surprisingly light though the single action isn't quite as crisp and light as would be nice. I have a Colt Agent here and the double action pull is terrible while the single action makes the nuPython single-action feel terrible in comparison. If you watch the hammer closely as you pull the trigger in SA you'll see the hammer move back a bit before it drops. A couple hundred dry-fires have helped the SA a lot but it'll need an action job before it could be considered anything more than ok. Everybody hates the sights and with reason I found. I tried to cheap out and just did the rear but should have done both.
+--- 57981625
+Model 13 master race
+--- 57981728
+Any recommendations for a good starter .22LR revolver?
+--- 57982392
+>>57978898
+Wrong target fag.
+--- 57983634
+>>57976249
+Just be aware for a snubnose it's got a 15lb trigger.
+--- 57985668
+>>57982392
+>that image
+i wish it weren't true, but it is
+--- 57985719
+>>57977884
+Looks good but I'd say your only option is hogue exotics. Maybe badger
+--- 57985740
+>>57978728
+Get Harrison Sights. It literally comes up if you google 2020 Python sights. Much improved in every possible way, wider, blockier, better light bars, $90 for both the front and rear vs $170 for the WC
+--- 57985785
+>>57973498
+MUH
+the exact handgun I've wanted for years.
+haven't ever been able to actually justify it since I know I'm too cheap to buy ammo for regular shooting 
+patrician taste
+--- 57985896
+Echoing that the stock Python/Anaconda sights are terrible, but not for the exact same reasons as the other nuPython bro. My main issue is that the rear blade is literally undersized from the factory, probably because they don't want to pay someone to handfit "oversized" ones, or they want to give Wilson Combat guaranteed business selling an overpriced full leaf replacement that actually doesn't fix any problems besides the wiggle. There's easily .010" of clearance on the dovetail on the stock blade, that would be unacceptable on a gold cup 1911. 
+As mentioned the front sight fills up nearly the entire rear sight aperture with tiny light bars, and since it's ramped you have very little intuitive feedback on which way the barrel is moving up and down, as well as side to side. It's hard to develop presentation memory with the factory sights because they are so low. The orange is basically invisible in any conditions except broad daylight and you're just shooting black on black with minuscule light bars. 
+I don't really want to blame colt because I wouldn't be happy even if the stock sights were properly clearance'd but for a $1200-$1500 gun it's embarassing on an otherwise superb gun. I've been told old man eyes have a better time with low narrow target sights but that's not me (yet)
+--- 57985958
+What nobody seems to be saying about the wilson combat sights is that if you actually need to zero them left or right more than a few MOA, the rear blade part is going to extend out to one side and now you've got two hard exposed edges that are at the very least going to annoy you and need to be sanded down so they don't snag
+--- 57988502
+>>57985958
+>What nobody seems to be saying
+I didn't know because I didn't have to do any windage adjustments. Just set 'em the same height as the factory's and they were bang on. 
+
+>>57985740
+>Harrison Sights
+Thanks for the suggestion. I vaguely remember there was something that put me off those at the time but can't remember what it might've been so I'll give those another look. Maybe they were just out of stock then or something.
+--- 57989620
+>>57981625
+Nice
+--- 57989819
+What would you guys say is a good price to pay for a 10-8? I like the look of the thicker barrel. It would be my first revolver. I bid on one for around $360 but lost the bid, and wasn't sure if I'd be getting ripped off at 400+ (the grips were chewed up a bit)
+--- 57990788
+Vietnam capture Nagant revolvnik
+--- 57991137
+Stock pic related but I was gifted one of these in .357 Mag a while back. Things been a blast, made me get into shooting .357/.38 alot, even got one of those rossi levergats in the same caliber to go along with it.

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+-----
+--- 57972753
+>hey we need a bunch of littoral combat ships
+>actually, no we don't
+
+the fuck happened?
+--- 57972797
+>>57972753 (OP)
+they sucked and the Navy's focus shifted to China
+Constellations will replace them in the fleet
+--- 57972906
+everyone agreed that they were ugly as fuck and that aesthetics is king for militaries
+--- 57973031
+>Oh shit everyone's doing figurative combat now
+
+Probably happened
+--- 57973043
+>>57972797
+>they sucked
+no
+>the Navy's focus shifted to China
+yes
+>Constellations will replace them in the fleet
+no
+--- 57973128
+>>57973031
+--- 57973175
+What are littoral combat ships?
+--- 57973192
+>>57973175
+There's supposed to be a C in front of "littoral". It's clittoral.
+--- 57973196
+>>57973175
+fat fuck shore patrol boats
+--- 57973197
+>>57972753 (OP)
+They wanted figurative combat ships instead.
+--- 57973235
+>>57973175
+Oversized corvettes from when the navy thought the biggest threat it would be facing would be Iran. They can do 45 knots despite being frigate-sized but they barely have any weapons. Their most useful characteristic is that they're large enough to operate helicopters. They have roughly the armament of a coast guard cutter with slightly better defensive capabilities. Good for drug patrols, anti-piracy missions, and supporting special ops. Bad for nearly anything else.
+--- 57973266
+>>57973235
+>>57972753 (OP)
+GOD IT'S SO UGLY
+--- 57973273
+>>57972753 (OP)
+They should make the Canadians buy them.
+They were dumb enough to buy those rust bucket subs from the Brits so these would be a perfect fit for them.
+--- 57973295
+>>57973235
+Well, let's not rule littoral warfare out just yet.
+--- 57973317
+>>57973235
+>Their most useful characteristic is that they're large enough to operate helicopters. 
+Their least useful characteristic is that they decided to give them enough space to operate helicopters, and then allotted the entire goddamn back half of the ship to that purpose. LCS would be extremely capable if half kept these helipads for anti-submarine operations and the other half gutted the helipad in favor of a fuckhuge array of vertically launched drones and missiles. 
+The second least useful characteristic is their lack of an integral SPY-7, so they'd have to use teeny SPY-1F if they are converted for the "budget Aegis" role. On the plus side, they are small enough that they can reasonably serve as detachments to provide anti-aircraft support close to the shore without compromising a CSG.
+--- 57973325
+>>57973043
+The Navy aren't happy with the ASW capabilities and they don't like the maintenance overhead. 
+also I think the anon means the Navy wants to focus on building more Frigates and so they're shifting funding away from LCS.
+--- 57973341
+They decided to upgrade from N64 graphics. We're on Gamecube now.
+--- 57973352
+>>57973235
+>Oversized corvettes
+They aren't oversized for the ship type, its just that most countries that build corvs do so on the super cheap and thus generally have smaller boats. Go back and look at corvs from ww2 and see these are just a bit larger which is perfectly in line with the general increase in size of all types since then (probably even less so).
+>being frigate-sized
+Seriously, they aren't large, not nearly frigates.
+>but they barely have any weapons.
+This was questionable from the onset and is certainly no longer true.
+>They have roughly the armament of a coast guard cutter with slightly better defensive capabilities
+Holy shit where do you people get this horse shit from?
+>Bad for nearly anything else.
+Please
+--- 57973372
+>>57973350
+uhh....
+--- 57973373
+>>57973325
+>The Navy aren't happy with the ASW capabilities
+I looked into this indepth and this is not the entire story. Do you have anything actual to add or are you just repeating shit that you heard someone say online?
+--- 57973382
+>>57973043
+>they don't suck
+Werent they literally snapping in half above sea state 2 or something
+--- 57973385
+>>57973382
+No
+--- 57973393
+>>57972753 (OP)
+What's the actual purpose of these things? Are they expecting to fight peer-level enemies along America's coastlines?
+--- 57973412
+>>57973235
+antipiracy and drug busting are important jobs though. the modern global economy is based on US dominating and patrolling the global oceans for 60 years noe to prevent piracy and to stop small dickhead countries from just yoinking shipping freighters. Supercarriers can't be everywhere at once and its a waste of money to have supercarriers and larger boats dealing with smalltime pirates. Leave destroyers and carriers for fighting actual navies.
+--- 57973417
+>>57973393
+They were expected to fight swarms of iranian motorboats in the persian gulf
+
+Theyre useless for everything else, especially the near peer conflict with china the usn is now preparing for, hence why theyre being gotten rid of
+--- 57973436
+>>57973393
+>What's the actual purpose of these things?
+Surface warfare, ISR, speciality supply, ASW, MCM, escort, and flying the flag
+--- 57973444
+>>57973295
+Visby actually makes sense though, it's decently armed and isn't trying to do 9 different things.
+
+
+That being said, the new frigates make a lot more sense for the US who can generally leave littoral duties to the coast guard.
+--- 57973450
+>>57973417
+>Theyre useless for everything else, especially the near peer conflict with china the usn is now preparing for, hence why theyre being gotten rid of
+Holy shit I don't get how willfully ignorant you people insist on being
+--- 57973457
+>>57973382
+>weren't they literally
+Freedom had the gear issue (now fixed), Independence had the issue of cracks on the hull from high speed travel in bad sea states. The cracks occurred above the waterline and modifications were made from the 14th Independence and on. The concern was sea state 4 (choppy ocean water quality), not 2 (coastal water quality), and the limit was 15 knots which is pretty normal transit speed for other ships.
+--- 57973459
+who would buy them? what would they be used for?
+--- 57973470
+>>57972753 (OP)
+What happened is we stopped fighting in the Persian Gulf forever.
+--- 57973473
+>>57973412
+I'm sure a cutter with a few M2s does the job just as well for a fraction of the cost. Pirates and narcos are not known for being particularly well-armed, armored, or disciplined.
+--- 57973478
+>>57973444
+>Visby actually makes sense though, it's decently armed
+u w0t?
+>the US who can generally leave littoral duties to the coast guard
+The absolutely dumbest fucking thing yet
+--- 57973485
+>>57973450
+What do you mean "you people"?
+--- 57973525
+>>57973459
+Assuming they don't gut all the electronics all at once, Freedom-class could sell to the Italians to replace the rest of their aging Maestrale-class frigates, since it would be much cheaper than getting more FREMM ($300 million ea vs €600 million ea). Alternatively, LM might refurbish and resell them as MMSC to the Saudis, they've been begging for permission to do so for years.
+Independence might go to SINKEX though, too niche for anyone else.
+--- 57973539
+>>57973457
+>Freedom had the gear issue (now fixed)
+Its not. They know the fix, actually paying for it and taking the time to do it are different things. This is the main reason they want to drop every Freedom class
+>modifications were made from the 14th Independence and on
+They went back and fixed most of the previous ones (or will be on next major maint). I think there is something like 3 they don't plan to fix (schedule for decomm or training boat).
+>The concern was sea state 4 (choppy ocean water quality), not 2 (coastal water quality), and the limit was 15 knots which is pretty normal transit speed for other ships.
+This was only for one specific ship (Omaha) the rest just got told to watch for any cracks and keep track of them (till they got the fix in place).
+--- 57973541
+>>57973352
+>Seriously, they aren't large, not nearly frigates.
+Pic related is a La Fayette class frigate which is a similar size and displacement to the LCSs.
+>This was questionable from the onset and is certainly no longer true.
+Bolting 8 NSMs on the front does not fundamentally change things. They have no real VLS cells which is incredibly limiting in every regard. It means no ESSMs, no ASROCs, no SM2s. This is why their armament capabilities aren't that different from a legend class cutter, which you can also bolt NSMs onto if you really want. The fucking VLS hellfires are useful to absolutely no-one and shouldn't even be counted. If they had been built with space for even 8 tactical length VLS things would be completely different and they could have been transitioned into a capable small surface combatant, but they weren't so here we are.
+--- 57973557
+>>57973485
+Majority of posters in this thread.
+--- 57973563
+>>57973473
+yeah i kinda figured that out the more i looked at it. No reason to have this massive expensive capabilities including stealth for chronic pirates or narcos bullshit. And if a shithole country with a shit navy does decide to cause shenanigans, the cost of deploying destroyer and frigates to the area and destriying their navy is cheaper than building and upkeeping these $500M ships that arent very useful in a nearpeer fight.
+--- 57973593
+>>57972753 (OP)
+they were designed to patrol the persian/arab gulf and provoke a war with Iran but most the later administrations didnt want this
+--- 57973597
+>>57972753 (OP)
+fleecing the government for failed military projects.
+shocker.
+--- 57973598
+>>57973541
+LCS are theoretically ideal for hunting diesel electric submarines in an environment where surface/air threat is covered. Open up the throttle to 50 knots and laugh at any torpedo.
+--- 57973601
+>>57973557
+--- 57973608
+>>57973525
+neat thanks anon
+--- 57973612
+>>57973478
+>u w0t?
+For it's size anon.
+
+It has almost the same armament as the LCS-classes. 
+
+
+Visby-class:
+> 640 tons
+> 1 × Bofors 57 mm Mk3
+> 8 × RBS15 Mk2 anti-ship missiles
+> 4 × 400 mm torpedo launchers 
+
+Freedom-class:
+> 3,500 tons
+> 1 × BAE Systems Mk 110 57 mm gun, 400 rounds in turret and two ready service magazines with 240 rounds each.
+> 1 x Mk 49 launcher with 21 × RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Surface-to-Air Missiles
+> 4 × .50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns
+> 8 x RGM-184A Naval Strike Missiles
+It might get a 150kw laser upgrade at some point, AFAIK all of the original mission module weapons have been cancelled (Hellfires, 30mm cannons, etc)
+
+Independence-class:
+> ~2,500-3,400 tons
+> 1 × BAE Systems Mk 110 57 mm gun
+> 1 × Raytheon SeaRAM CIWS
+> 4 × .50-cal guns (2 aft, 2 forward)
+> 8 × RGM-184A Naval Strike Missiles
+and again as with the Freedom-class, all mission module weapons were cancelled afaik. 
+
+
+So they've got CIWS and some .50 cals that the Visby doesn't have. But they weigh 3-5x as much. Also, gen 2 Visbys are supposed to have long range surface to air missiles to take part in NATO air defense strategy.
+--- 57973643
+>>57973539
+>Its not. They know the fix, actually paying for it and taking the time to do it are different things. This is the main reason they want to drop every Freedom class
+is someone paying you to be retarded?
+Nov 2021:
+>In January, the Navy announced it would not take deliveries of the Lockheed Martin-built Freedom-class LCS until the class-wide issue with the under-engineered combining gear from German manufacturer RENK AG was repaired. The gear links the ships’ diesel engines and gas turbines. The determination followed two high-profile propulsion failures in USS Detroit (LCS-7) and USS Little Rock (LCS-9). In total, 13 ships required the repair to the gears.
+>With Minneapolis-Saint Paul cleared to deliver to the Navy, Lockheed and RENK AG will continue to repair the ships under construction at Marinette Marine – Cooperstown (LCS-23), Marinette (LCS-25), Nantucket (LCS-27) and Beloit (LCS-29). The final Freedom-class ship, Cleveland (LCS-31), will be outfitted with a fully corrected combining gear, the Navy has said.
+LCS Cleveland was literally the last one, pictured here striking a tugboat.
+>the rest just got told to watch for any cracks and keep track of them (till they got the fix in place).
+wrong, half of the Independence class ships currently in service developed cracks in their hulls
+>They went back and fixed most of the previous ones (or will be on next major maint). I think there is something like 3 they don't plan to fix (schedule for decomm or training boat).
+The details on the "fix" were unclear, unlike the gear which is publicly documented as being done, my impression was that they simply priced out the fix, demanded Austal do it on future ships, and then put a hold on the process of implementing it.
+>“Modification consists of replacing deck plate and shell plate with thicker material, among other actions,” he said.
+>“the U.S. Navy’s mitigation plans are being developed as part of each ship’s maintenance and modernization.”
+--- 57973702
+>>57973541
+>La Fayette class frigate
+A budget frigate designed in the 80s? This you thnk is a good indication of your position? How about the fact that its being replaced by a frigate called "intermediate size frigate" that is 25% larger? Kinda gives the impression that the La Fayette is small for the type.
+>Bolting 8 NSMs on the front does not fundamentally change things
+You're an idiot, got it. What's your next point?
+>They have no real VLS cells which is incredibly limiting in every regard
+So your logic is ship value is solely tied to number of VLS cells? This is the same idiocy as the cannon caliber races in the 20th century. Bravo.
+>This is why their armament capabilities aren't that different from a legend class cutter
+Kinda missing a few major things aren't you?
+>which you can also bolt NSMs onto if you really want
+Except you can't for a couple of reasons but even if you could it still doesn't have them and thus your original point is false by your own admission. Also interesting that you picked the largest most heavily armed cutter class in the world (I think) as you example of an avergae Coast Guard cutter. Real good faith.
+>The fucking VLS hellfires are useful to absolutely no-one and shouldn't even be counted.
+You already adequately demonstrated you were an idiot to me, you don't need to repeat yourself.
+--- 57973874
+>>57973702
+>A budget frigate designed in the 80s
+A frigate is, in fact, a frigate
+>So your logic is ship value is solely tied to number of VLS cells?
+No, but the inability to operate entire classes of defensive and offensive weapons is a bit of an issue. It leaves you with limited options for both attacking and defending yourself. Having to almost entirely rely on a RAM launcher for your AA is not ideal for a ship of this size.
+>Except you can't for a couple of reasons 
+They've done it in the past without issues. The Legend class is perfectly capable of hosting a few deck mounted missiles. The navy has explicitly discussed adding harpoon launchers to the Legend class in the past.
+--- 57973876
+>>57973643
+>is someone paying you to be retarded?
+I am aware they insisted on the ones still being built coming with the fix, but what about the ones they had already taken delivery of? You know, the majority of the ones produced?
+>wrong, half of the Independence class ships currently in service developed cracks in their hulls
+...and what does that have to do with me pointing out that it was only one ship restricted in speed? Is that false? Also the crack were in the deck plate, not the hull.
+>The details on the "fix" were unclear
+No, they were VERY specific on the fix. Clearly you don't know what you are talking about and just repeating things you've heard. They used a heavier (read:thicker) deck and shell plate for specific sections of the ship. If you are looking to know between which frame numbers they did them there is information out there to get a general idea but that is absolutely not something that would ever be publically disclosed.
+>my impression was that they simply priced out the fix, demanded Austal do it on future ships, and then put a hold on the process of implementing it.
+My understanding is the cost to repair the already produced ships was split (there was some indication that Austal warned the Navy about this during design but were ignored; go figure listening to the people who make a living of aluminium ships might know a thing or two about them); I don't have info on the exact share as I don't believe it was ever released. The future models were just fixed in production at effectively no change in cost. Scuttlebutt is that the added weight had little effect on top speed (<1 knot). As I said before, many have already been fixed and they already are set up to do most of the rest when they next come in for long port (we'll see how the yard backlog deals with that).
+
+I suggest to you that you look into how often ships develop cracks in their plates, its not nearly as uncommon as you might think and the headlines were diaster baiting.
+--- 57973886
+I have no real bone in this fight, but the anon arguing that these things are fine and everyone else (including the navy) is retarded for the intense criticism of both the workmanship and lack of usefulness these things provided is simply bizzare. 
+
+They are awful ships, without a clear purpose, that do almost everything they’re supposed to do at an astronomically higher cost and weight than what other platforms could be doing. They are ridiculously undergunned and under protected. This is objectively fact, you can whine about it and claim you have better information but at the end of the day, they aren’t survivable. 
+
+All that being said, had the design quality been good enough to operate these things in an ASW role at 45 knots, that would be cool, but they can’t even do that. There shouldn’t be another dollar spent on these, every cent for the next decade spent on the LCS should be centered around retiring them as fast as possible and earmarking more shipyards for Constellations. 
+
+What a bizarre contrarian take that anon has.
+--- 57973902
+>>57972753 (OP)
+>we want to goto war with iran.
+>billions spent on shit ships that dont work to fight a shit country.
+>oh wait, thats retarded, neocons are retarded, and the israel lobby is retarded.
+>china is the real threat
+>shit ships are worthless against real countries.
+>billions wasted
+just another decade in the US navy and MIC
+--- 57973952
+>>57973874
+>A frigate is, in fact, a frigate
+Way to not enage with the point. I accept your concession on this.
+>No, but the inability to operate entire classes of defensive and offensive weapons is a bit of an issue
+It has "entire classes of defensive and offensive weapons" that other (larger) ships don't have. Are they now worthless as well by that logic?
+>Having to almost entirely rely on a RAM launcher for your AA is not ideal for a ship of this size.
+Why? Would the solution have been to make the ship larger and more expensive in order to have more of the type of AA you want? Would you then not complain even louder that it was undergunned for its size and a moneysink?
+>The navy has explicitly discussed adding harpoon launchers to the Legend class in the past.
+How far did you look into that? Because there were some serious obstacles to getting that to work and those were just Harpoons. This isn't just a matter of having enough open space on the main deck where a missile launcher could physically sit.
+--- 57973964
+>>57973886
+>that these things are fine and everyone else (including the navy) is retarded for the intense criticism
+>They are awful ships, without a clear purpose
+Is it possible there is a middle ground? Is your thinking really that binary?
+--- 57973983
+>>57973031
+Underrated
+--- 57974005
+>>57973964
+not that anon.
+but the ships literally do not work.
+the drive doesnt work and they were limited to like 5 knots.
+the modular weapons dont work either.
+and now that the mission has changed from "crushing sand people for the benefit of jews" to "actually dealing with americas real enemies" the ships are completely worthless. IIRC they dont have any VLS, correct me if im wrong on that tho.
+--- 57974015
+>>57973902
+at least they realized it was stupid as opposed to doubling down
+--- 57974020
+>>57974005
+These are cool counterpoints to things I never said.
+>not that anon.
+lol
+lmao even
+--- 57974049
+>>57974015
+>at least they realized it was stupid as opposed to doubling down
+i legitimately believe that the neocons intentionally sabotaged the military to prevent us from confronting china.
+--- 57974056
+>>57974020
+Not those anons, but you sound like a bitch
+--- 57974061
+>>57973964
+My thinking isn’t binary, it’s just unclouded by the crushing feeling of needing to be a contrarian. It’s okay to call a spade a spade and not beat around the bush. When something is a piece of shit, why cover for it?
+--- 57974082
+>>57973175
+You know how militaries are always fighting the last war? This is the navy designing a ship for GWOT / An Iran war that never came and forgetting that naval procurement takes a decade or more.
+
+The pivot back to the Pacific means these have very little role to play.
+--- 57974088
+>>57974049
+Wut, why? That would be in direct contravention to neoconservative foreign policy thinking.
+--- 57974118
+>>57974088
+>Wut, why? That would be in direct contravention to neoconservative foreign policy thinking.
+not really.
+they were pursuing "engagement" with china instad of military. additionally, neocons are heavily sorrupted by globalist corporations that are heavily invested in china.
+--- 57974147
+>>57974118
+>neocons are heavily corrupted by globalist corporations that are heavily invested in china.
+This so, so much this.
+--- 57974149
+>>57973952
+Why? Would the solution have been to make the ship larger and more expensive in order to have more of the type of AA you want? Would you then not complain even louder that it was undergunned for its size and a moneysink?
+I would have built a a direct replacement to the OHP guided missile frigates, which is what we neglected to do in favor of the LCSs for way too fucking long.
+--- 57974178
+>>57974149
+--- 57974208
+>>57974118
+>they were pursuing "engagement" with china instad of military
+They were pushing for the opposite. A strong military buildup to ensure American military hegemony.
+>neocons are heavily corrupted by globalist corporations
+I’m no sure if you can call them corrupted if they’ve had a strong corporatist streak from the beginning.
+--- 57974247
+>>57974208
+im sorry?
+was it not the neocons and clinton that let china into the WTO?
+and was it not the neocons that pissed away 20 years in the middle east for zero benefit while china became a peer competitor?
+am i remembering that correctly? or did i wake up in the bizarro dimension?
+
+pic related.
+wasted money.
+--- 57974309
+>>57972753 (OP)
+I'm litttorally shipping
+--- 57974342
+>>57973525
+Why would the pastas go for some underperforming sloppy seconds, instead of full-spec Thaon di Revels?
+--- 57974534
+>>57974247
+The neocons didn’t piss away 20 years in the Middle East. That started in the Obama years culminating to today. It was an is a strategically vital location and especially pre-fracking was a crucial part of the worlds oil supply. I don’t know if you’ve looked at a map but a continued presence in Afghanistan would have given us a steppingstone right into China’s hinterland, allowing us to pulverize them for both sides. We did decide to give that up for zero strategic benefit, but that was over the protestations from the neocons.
+
+As for the WTO, the assumption was that we could collapse the Chinese the same way we did the Soviets. Even by the early 2000s this was starting to be looked at as an increasingly bad idea, but it was one that was always coupled with a overwhelming military superiority.
+
+I’m not a neoconservative, the ideology has some serious problems. But back then they were absolutely the foreign policy hawks, Just because they made decisions that in hindsight 20 years later weren’t optimal doesn’t change that.
+--- 57974646
+>>57972797
+> Scrap 6 LCS each year
+> Buy 1 Conni to replace it....every alternate year.
+--- 57974671
+>>57973952
+> Harpoons. This isn't just a matter of having enough open space on the main deck where a missile launcher could physically sit!
+
+Literally is and they literally did exactly that with Harpoons on the Iowas. You'd better sit this one out if you didn't know that.
+--- 57974790
+>>57972906
+they are so fuckugly it's incredible. Like some knockoff of a james bond villain boat.
+--- 57974926
+>>57972753 (OP)
+Paint them white and sell them at a discount to the coast guard I promise they'll be happy with them
+--- 57974930
+>>57974671
+He’s going to sit here and claim the shipyard told the navy they need 500 billion dollars to launch a feasibility study on the stability effects of putting a few missile launchers on the vast, open space of the LCS’s. 
+
+90% of the trooning out about how ships “cannot do” something is the MIC bitching for more money and refusing to hire more workers or open new yards. This is the entire premise of the argument that the US “can’t” build 2 subs per year.
+--- 57974937
+>>57974926
+The coasties have much better ships though.
+--- 57975003
+gentlemen,
+
+the arsenal ship
+--- 57975048
+>>57975003
+Japan is going for a small one
+
+~200 VLS cells is the current rumor
+
+Allowing more of the smaller DDGs to have less BMD missiles and more anti-ship/anti-air/ground attack missiles.
+--- 57975062
+>>57975048
+forgot pic
+--- 57975079
+>>57973350
+based. ball is life.
+--- 57975163
+>>57975062
+Nice. Hoping they name them Yamato and Musashi.
+--- 57975178
+>>57975048
+>~200 VLS
+come on japan, double it, you know you want to.
+--- 57975209
+US might want to sell some to NATO members now that it's going full blue navy again while Baltic and Black Seas are going bo become hotter
+--- 57975267
+>>57974118
+democrats fully embraced china at all costs, being ready to tolerate their system and had a massive campaign against cons for not doing the same. You might be actually insane
+--- 57975303
+>>57975267
+Nixon was the president that made the call to normalize relations with communist china. Biden has objectively been one of the most adversarial presidents on the China question for decades. Corporate elites(on both sides of politics) want continued open access to the Chinese market. The problem is China is going to start cutting into to markets that US elites need to dominate, and that is a problem, hence the push to prepare for a war with China.
+--- 57975306
+>>57975267
+this is pure delusion
+--- 57975333
+>>57973350
+christ people like you are such insufferable cunts
+yes, the country that invented basketball is going to have a fucking basketball hoop strapped to any possible surface
+have fun playing fagball on a rolling ship, faggot, maybe when you dive over from a stiff breeze you won't fall overboard
+--- 57975349
+>>57973235
+weren't they meant to have railguns and shit but the program got slashed?
+--- 57975385
+>>57974342
+I don't know, maybe because they cost twice as much and Italy is unlikely to ever fight another naval battle in its history? LCS would give the capacity at an affordable cost, not every country needs to have fully tricked out frigates for their entire fleet when they just want like 4 or 5 extra ASW frigates to patrol high priority coasts (which is why the US buying LCS was so weird strategically in the first place)
+this exact calculus is why they still have Maestrale despite previously saying they'd decommission them for FREMM already
+--- 57975392
+>>57975349
+Zumwalt was going to MAYBE get railguns some day.
+
+The US railgun program was scraped, BUT japan has recently invited the US to participate in THEIR new railgun project, which is seemingly about a railgun for missile defense not shore bombardment (what the US wanted a railgun for).
+
+
+But yeah, japan says they figured out the barrel ware issues the US was having, at least for smaller caliber stuff (suitable for BMD/HCM/HGM intercepts)
+--- 57975538
+>>57975392
+I used to hear them test-firing that fat bitch over at Dahlgren back in the early 2010s. I was so hyped.
+--- 57975567
+>>57975538
+Yeah the good news is railguns might be back on the menu, just smaller than we had imagined.
+--- 57975602
+>>57975303
+>Biden has objectively been one of the most adversarial presidents on the China question for decades.
+Just like his predecessor?
+--- 57975635
+They should've just bought the Hyuga-class.
+--- 57975699
+>>57972753 (OP)
+>the fuck happened?
+They're 
+1.) Expensive
+2.) Worthless
+--- 57975741
+>>57975602
+Actions speak much louder than words
+--- 57975773
+>>57972753 (OP)
+LCS is fudd and should be repurposed to launch hypersonic missiles or PrSM spiral 2 from the helicopter deck
+--- 57979075
+>>57974646
+>>57973373
+>>57973043
+--- 57979094
+>>57973350
+I thought you were joking, but I think I see a fucking hoop. What's the green square upper left of hangar door?
+--- 57979104
+>>57979075
+You guys have broken me.
+--- 57979106
+>>57973352
+Literally Democraft LCS Jew on this board. Fucking hell
+--- 57979129
+>>57973702
+Are you the designer or sponsor of this fantastic class of warship as well?
+--- 57979146
+>>57979129
+lol
+--- 57979158
+>>57973436
+No mumbo jumbo. In real terms, what the fuck LCS gon do against the Chinese Navy, Air Force, and Rocket Force?
+--- 57979184
+>>57975567
+The wear issue was due to the caliber, supposedly they could also squeeze near rail gun velocities out of cheaper standard barrels with new propellants. I assume the japs want to pilfer that HVP research as well.
+
+The railgun and HVP systems were killed by politics and doctrine since both were meeting their projected goals ahead of schedule. A number foreign buyers for both interceptor system and some revitalized bombardment system could actually make these faggots start taking shit seriously and drop the unit price via continuous mass production. However I still wouldn't hold my breath for the bombardment system since they will need foreign buyers, the US supposedly decided that supersonic cruise missiles loaded with cluster munitions better fit requirements than a single really fast chunk of metal or even a faggot of metal rods that split before impact.
+--- 57979197
+>>57979184
+Based Japs. Truly the most honorary of Aryans.
+--- 57979231
+>>57979094
+that's where the HCO sits, you goofball
+--- 57979574
+>>57975385
+They may be twice as expensive, but they're also twice as capable. They're genuine medium frigates, with proper armament and, just as important, sensors (capable of guiding Aster 30s). The only things the LCS offer are high speed and an oversized Osprey-capable helicopter deck (which is useless to the Italians). 
+Heck, in terms of raw combat capability, the LCS are worse than even the Doha class. The US genuinely doesn't know how to build efficient small combatants. Even teh joos went with ThyssenKrupp for their Sa'ar 6 corvettes.
+--- 57979799
+>>57975048
+>>57975062
+>When the current meta is "Distributed Firepower" to make chink ASBM spam much more costly.
+>Japs want to concentrate almost 200 VLS into a single ship
+I see Japs have learnt nothing from their defeats in WW2
+--- 57979833
+>>57972753 (OP)
+>navy officers beg for goverment money to build such needed ships
+>navy officers steal some money for them and their families
+>jk citizens, we dont need them
+>sell ships and steal some money for them and their families
+--- 57979865
+>>57979799
+It's far more costly to spread 200 VLS into multiple ships that have the same self-defense and endurance capabilities.
+--- 57979878
+>>57979799
+Jew. Building fewer, more capable ships is not the reason they lost. In fact, it's the best thing they could've done.
+--- 57979896
+>>57979799
+It's the perfect vessel for pearl harbor style sucker punch attacks
+--- 57979912
+>>57975741
+Your really going to pretend that the democrats didnt and torpeado any and all legislation and exec+utive orders aimed at China?
+
+You really think the rest of us dont notice the forced amnesia?
+--- 57979955
+>>57979912
+Bush the Lesser kowtowed to the bugmen on several occasions, including that incident where a bugtard rammed a US patrol plane.
+--- 57979977
+>>57973031
+>figurative combat
+Is this the fabled Gerasimov Doctrine?
+--- 57980513
+>>57973175
+It's figurative combat ships now.
+--- 57981645
+>>57972753 (OP)
+They wanted to fight endless terrorism against middle east.
+
+Instead what we got was China's rise. China's 2 aricraft carrier strike groups are operational right now. It will soon double within the next few years.
+--- 57981650
+>>57979158
+Not your anon and only speaking about one of the classes. For the love all that is holy, please understand that the LCS ships are not the same.
+
+>Chinese Navy
+The overwhelming majority of the ships in the PLAN are small, easily counterable by a current Independence-class, much less any future additional armaments.
+>Air Force, and Rocket Force
+Its purpose is not to directly engage those assets but is hardly vulnerible to them. I never see anyone talking about the stealth/reduced RCS characteristics despite it being one of its greatest qualities. Additionally the NULKA has seen limited use but appears to be incredibly effective. Finally, that speed isn't just for show; it makes the craft incredibly difficult to hit with OTH munitions, particularly in combination with the obscene manuevarability.
+Oh and I've heard about this but still waiting to find out how feasible it is
+https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-01-12-Lockheed-Martin-s-Latest-Electronic-Warfare-System-for-Helicopters-to-Safeguard-U-S-Navy-Against-Anti-Ship-Missile-Threats
+Assuming it works well, then the INdi is gonna excel at it.
+
+In short, navies don't just build one class of a ship that is "the best," they build a variety to handle a wide array of mission types. Anyone asking why it doesn't have "bigger guns" (read VLS cells) is missing the point and either ignorant (or intentionally playing dumb) of the soft power it does exert. Its a small, fast low-crewed, hard to find, harder to hit intelligence platform and priority support. Sure, you could sink it, but at what cost? When the USN is running 2 or 3 CSGs all over shit do you want to dedicate your patrol ships chasing after this shit and half of your batteries dumping salvos into empty water hoping to get lucky and outnumber the odds?
+
+Last point: This is not a OHP replacement, anyone upset that it doesn't match up isn't paying attention. The Constellation is your lady there.
+--- 57981660
+>>57973031
+delightfully devilish anon
+--- 57981692
+>>57981645
+>China's 2 aricraft carrier strike groups are operational right now.
+Are they? When they scrambled up their recent "demonstration exercises" around Taiwan where was the full CSG? They had like 2 ships with the carrier (I think one was even just a fuel ship). Besides, even the Chinese publically that the oldest is just for training and not intended for action, so its a bit much to say they have 2 CSGs.
+--- 57981695
+>>57981650
+https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-china-modernizing-its-navy-0
+https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a40980913/china-to-have-bigger-navy-by-2030/
+https://news.usni.org/2022/11/29/pentagon-chinese-navy-to-expand-to-400-ships-by-2025-growth-focused-on-surface-combatants
+--- 57981711
+>>57981695
+I haven't yet openned your links as I'm unsure what point it is you are trying to make. If you want to talk with me about this (even disagree) that's fine but I'm not interested by just being assigned homework by some rando.
+
+tl;dr: What about these links?
+--- 57981747
+>>57981711
+China's navy is larger in total ships, will nearly be double that of US by the end of 2030, if China doesnt increase their budget. They're already a good 30% larger in navy.
+
+China's naval tonnage is ~1/2 that of US today, but that gap will close as the decade comes to an end.
+--- 57981798
+>>57981747
+Okay...Maybe I'm misunderstanding here (seriously, my bad if I am), but I don't think I said anything about the PLAN having less ships than the USN nor anything about the total tonnage.
+
+The closest comment I can think I made to that is pointing out that most of the ships in the PLAN are relatively small (corvettes, frigates, and missile boats). Do you feel that is a false statement?
+--- 57981816
+>>57981798
+Difference in combat role. The smaller ships are for guarding their borders, while the US's larger is to navigate the more expansive ocean. The difference doesn't really matter too much because the functionalities are same minus the roles.
+--- 57981841
+>>57981816
+>Difference in combat role.
+A topic I didn't touch or bring up in the slightest.
+
+WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH? ARE THEY IN THE ROOM WITH US NOW?
+--- 57981885
+>>57981841
+It matters because you seem to be downplaying their advantages because of "smaller" ships argument. Which is nonsense for the given near future scenario. The more ship they have, the more coverage, the faster they can deploy, the more they can have effective blockades. Given their large arsenel of submarines and "smaller" ships as a means to both a bait and switch, the threat of a blockade is very much real.
+--- 57981890
+>>57981816
+>small ships for guarding local shores have no operational overlap with one literally named "littoral combat ship"
+wew lad
+--- 57981926
+>>57981885
+>It matters because you seem to be downplaying their advantages because of "smaller" ships argument
+No argument was made you. Please engage with the topic and not what ever scarecrow is spooking you. I just pointed out that the PLAN has the majority of their number counted in smaller ship types. I ask once more: Is that a false statement?
+
+Not asking if that is bad, just if it is true.
+--- 57981983
+>>57981695
+>>57981747
+>>57981816
+>>57981885
+Hypothetically speak, if you didn't eat breakfast this morning how would you feel?
+--- 57982482
+>>57974534
+>The neocons didn’t piss away 20 years in the Middle East. That started in the Obama years culminating to today.
+
+Obuttfucked was presidunce in 2002/2003? Destroying Iraq was a neocon core directive. 9/11 was used as a pretext for that.
+--- 57983848
+>>57975385
+money Italy spends on FREMMs stays totally or partly in Italy and creates Italian jobs
+you need some remedial Perun about procurement strategies
+--- 57984222
+>>57973235
+literally just put a couple of HIMARS on the back deck
+--- 57984230
+>>57984222
+>Freedom-class
+ew
+--- 57984324
+>>57973043
+>they sucked
+>no
+
+they are hot garbage. whoever decided on an aluminum hull should be hanged
+--- 57984346
+>>57984222
+not a bad idea
+--- 57984390
+>>57973612
+Note that the Freedom class also has an issue with the 57mm: it can *only* be operated in manual (joystick) mode. There is no gunfire control radar installed. Since the USN likes the 57mm over 76mm and 127mm primarily for its CIWS capability, this is something of a problem.
+
+Also, aside from the long-cancelled NLOS-LS, most weapons were always intended to be deployed from the helo and UAV. ASW? Helo. MCM? Helo. SUW? The helo helps out. And yet, the aircraft complement is one single Seahawk plus (in theory) a Firescout-sized UAV, which means that there will be significant periods of time when the only helo is down for maintenance. Why? Because one of the other "new concepts" that produced LCS was to reduce costs by dramatically reducing manning, and helo dets aren't small.
+--- 57984401
+>>57984390
+>Since the USN likes the 57mm over 76mm and 127mm primarily for its CIWS capability, this is something of a problem
+That's more of a last option though.
+
+The SeaRAM is the primary CIWS.
+--- 57984424
+>>57973702
+Not him, but there are currently no real alternatives to VLS for ship-based ASW or AAW beyond CIWS ranges (triple-tubes, RAM). If you want ESSM or ASROC, much less SM2(IIIC)/SM6, you need VLS.
+--- 57984435
+>>57984324
+>whoever decided on an aluminum hull should be hanged
+Why? Please do explain what the issue is.
+--- 57984501
+>>57984324
+>they are hot garbage. whoever decided on an aluminum hull should be hanged
+
+An aluminium hull is necessary to save weight to reach the targeted speed of 45 knots.
+--- 57984543
+>>57984390
+>MCM? Helo
+Its also supposed to use the Knifefish UUV and CUSV. They were also supposed to play a big role in the ASW too before that module got dropped (thank you very much Freedom-class).
+>the aircraft complement is one single Seahawk plus (in theory) a Firescout-sized UAV
+There are actually two types/sizes of Firescout and it can 2 of one of them (or a single of the other). Also, the LCSs can actually "operate" more than that but that's all they have hanger space to service at one time, manned helo included.
+>Note that the Freedom class also has an issue with the 57mm: it can *only* be operated in manual (joystick) mode
+First I'm hearing of this. Where did you hear this from?
+
+>>57984401
+You're right that its not great for CIWS but its actually a lot better for AA then most give it credit for or realize.
+--- 57984559
+>>57984435
+Not him, but two issues with aluminum. Metal fatigue becomes an issue much faster on aluminum meaning the hulls life span is limited. Second issue is that aluminum can and will catch fire when struck. The Saudis bought an old aluminum hulled ship from the US which burnt down after getting hit.
+--- 57984564
+>>57984501
+It also makes the ship better in the MCM mission role as it less susceptible to magnetoelectric measures.
+--- 57984601
+>>57984559
+Have anything to back up those claims? Could start with the name of this ship that burned down.
+--- 57984644
+>>57984543
+>You're right that its not great for CIWS but its actually a lot better for AA then most give it credit for or realize.
+Oh I agree, I was more just replying to his claim that it being manually controlled was a huge problem for CIWS when in reality it wouldn't be used for CIWS unless shit had hit the fan in which case you're probably fucked regardless.
+
+But yeah, the 57mm is honestly pretty solid and I agree with the US's choice of 57mm over 76mm for the primary naval gun of the modern escort fleet. Destroyers with their 127mm still makes some sense I suppose.
+--- 57984663
+>>57973350
+>>American nigger worship has reached a point that they are using taxpayer money to put basketball courts on boats
+--- 57984673
+>>57984601
+>Have anything to back up those claims? Could start with the name of this ship that burned down.
+
+It was the fast ro-ro ferry that caught a C802 chingchong harpoon class missile outside Yemen. Now you know enough to find the name and pictures of the wreck.
+--- 57984701
+>>57984601
+Hsv 2 swift retard. How new are you? Are you incapable of utilizing Google? Why don't you source these nuts?
+--- 57984706
+>>57984644
+>it wouldn't be used for CIWS unless shit had hit the fan in which case you're probably fucked regardless.
+You're not wrong but I'd still like to have that option available as a last resort fallback if it comes to it. Besides, assuming he's right about this issue (still hoping he'll pop back with a link or something) the lack of more advanced integration is a loss for more than just CIWS use. But, this is the Freedom-class afterall which has been an absolute albatross on the LCS program so no surprise there.
+>Destroyers with their 127mm still makes some sense I suppose.
+They are putting the same 57mm on the Constellation (new frigate). Thoughts?
+--- 57984739
+>>57984673
+>>57984701
+Fuck you faggots. You say something happened and I want to learn about and you come back with this shit. This is exactly why /k/ is shit now. You drive off people who genuinely are interested and encourage the faggotry of tourists like this >>57984663 and >>57973350.
+Gonna go read now because that's all I wanted.
+--- 57984746
+>>57973235
+Are they littoral ships because they are littorally useless?
+--- 57984780
+>>57984706
+>They are putting the same 57mm on the Constellation
+Seems fine, it's got missiles for primary CIWS and air defense, as well as long range land attack or anti-ship missiles. The 57mm is really just for cheap intimidation (fire a few shots at pirates to scare them into surrendering) or for cheap shore bombardment, as well as backup CIWS/Air defense. 
+
+Constellation-class is honestly really exciting capabilities for its price, it has got most of the capabilities of a modern burke at half the cost and 30% lower manning. Sure it has got a fair fewer VLS cells, but if you dedicate most of those VLS cells for ESSMs and have it run escort role for a CSG paired with DDGs, you've now allowed your DDGs to focus more VLS cells on BMD missiles, TLAMs, etc instead of short-range air defense missiles (ESSMs) to protect the CSG. 
+
+
+A lot more useful than the LCS-classes at least.
+--- 57984786
+>>57984739
+You're clearly here post 2012. I can pull up plenty of examples of /pol/ related trash prior to king nigger's reelection and way before 2016.
+--- 57984810
+>>57984739
+--- 57984811
+>>57984780
+>A lot more useful than the LCS-classes at least.
+We'll see
+--- 57984820
+>>57984811
+They've got VLS cells, you could park them in port 24/7/365 and they'd be more useful than the LCS-classes.
+--- 57984919
+The Navy is rich and retarded.
+They have no imagination to use these in new ways.
+ Squadron them in littoral areas around Maritime choke points and use them…in squadrons…to mog any enemy capital ships trying to transit from one ocean to another.
+ Push the transit into deeper waters where our fast attack subs can have at them.
+
+ The sine qua non of Naval Warfare is MOBILITY.
+If you can limit that feature, you have interdicted the battle space in your favor.
+
+ The Navy has forgotten this in favor of intersectional Queer Theory and Marxism.
+--- 57985013
+>>57984820
+>Why is the navy not just building comeercial cargo ships stacked to the gills with VLS cells if its the only measure of value for a ship? Why is no country doing this? Is it possible your priorities are miscalculated?
+--- 57985050
+>>57985013
+What do you think LUSVs are?
+--- 57985077
+>>57972753 (OP)
+The LCS program was a failure. The designs proved to be finnicky and unreliable. Now we're just building new frigates instead.
+--- 57985193
+>>57974049
+No, they hate China, they're just retarded.
+--- 57985308
+>>57974247
+>Nixon and Clinton were NeoCons 
+absolutely brain dead and ignorant.
+--- 57985401
+>>57984543
+>First I'm hearing of this. Where did you hear this from?
+From discussions with a bunch of (mostly active-duty or recently-retired) USN officers back when the LCS was still being designed and laid down. It was an open issue even way back then. There is no equivalent to the Mark 92 or Mark 86 GFCS fitted, and COMBATSS-21 (at least the version installed initially) did not include any capability to be aimed using the TRS-3D. During trials, the gun was only tested against surface targets using the EO/IR sensor and the joystick. Note that this was also rumored to be part of the reason why the Mk 110s were dropped from the DDG-1000 in favor of a pair of 30mm Bushmasters (also joystick-only, and much lighter).
+
+Now... that information is well over a decade old at this point. I have never heard anything to suggest that the situation has changed; however, seeing as how COMBATSS-21 is going to be used on *both* LCS classes going ahead (which I hadn't realized until just now)--and the Constellation class as well--it's entirely possible that LockMart has coded in the capability to fire the gun at radar tracks from non-SPY radars in the years since then. I would be tickled pink to learn if that's true, as this issue has been a burr under my saddle for over a decade now.
+--- 57985444
+What went wrong with the Navy that they have only pursued useless projects like LCS and Zumwalts or ruined other ones like the F-35 this century?
+--- 57985482
+>>57984739
+No, you're being a faggot. This board has had almost 10 years of proofs shitposting and nobody puts up with it anymore. You could have just googled "Saudi arabia ship missile attack" and gotten it as the first result.
+--- 57985511
+>>57984401
+>The SeaRAM is the primary CIWS.
+Agreed; however, the Mk 110--IF it has a GFCS capable of targeting radar tracks--should be far superior to Ye Olde Phalanx.
+>>57984706
+>They are putting the same 57mm on the Constellation (new frigate). Thoughts?
+I can see where they're going with the concept--combining the gun and the Phalanx (both of which are not commonly used no matter how much the old salts claim otherwise) into a single mount saves a fair bit of money, topside weight, and deck space. However, I still feel a bit leery about it, considering that 127mm gives you far more range and HE fill, and it's far from obsolete when you consider that things like the M1156 PGK, which could easily be incorporated into a naval mount, or the work done on a 5" version of the HVP designed for the railgun project, neither of which would make much sense for the 57mm.
+--- 57985676
+>>57985444
+Lack of a real opponent after the cold war.
+--- 57985741
+>>57984811
+>>57984820
+>>57985013
+Constellation also has a lot more in the way of ASW sensors, processing power, and manning than LCS had. The primary on-board sensor--the now-cancelled AN/SQS-62--apparently never worked like it was supposed to, with the result that not only has the LCS's ASW module been cancelled, but Thales has walked away with the tail contract for Constellation.
+--- 57985764
+>>57973043
+>They sucked
+Litteral garbage designed by retards
+>the Navy's focus shifted to China
+Already was the case 
+>Constellations will replace them in the fleet
+No
+--- 57985956
+>>57985444
+A number of things, actually.
+*The Peace Dividend(tm) downsized most of the civilian DoD staff who worked in procurement. The manufacturers went through massive layoffs and multiple rounds of consolidation at the same time. Most of the folks who knew how to properly manage a procurement program were let go, and most of those skillsets have never been properly replaced.
+*After ODS, DoD had no idea what to plan for next. There was a general assumption that it was "the end of history", and that threats would be limited to mostly minor powers (particularly, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, or "some darn fool thing in the Balkans", all of which were active threats in the '90s).
+*There wasn't a lot of perceived need for blue-water naval power, so the USN got asked a lot of pointed questions (including by Congress) of how exactly they planned to contribute to the small, land-based wars that were anticipated. With the final retirement of the Iowas, Congress mandated that the USN find a way to replace their shore bombardment capability. Tomcats were retired in favor of more Hornets; TLAMs became ubiquitous. Emphasis was placed on supporting expeditionary warfare (years before 9/11).
+*As a result of all of the above, Rumsfeld and his bean-counters came in and rolled the dice on using advanced new technologies in order to reduce costs (particularly, head-count, because people are *expensive*), so that the US could still somehow manage to maintain its commitments on an ever-shrinking budget.
+
+The result is DDG-1000. LCS. FCS. Comanche and its replacement programs ARH and AAS all being cancelled due to budget cuts. Crusader being cancelled for FCS NLOS-C, which then got cancelled without replacement, leaving the US with aging M109s for another 20+ years. And, yes, it also led to the dumpster-fire that was the early years of F-35's procurement, before a new team came in and got everything more or less straightened out.
+--- 57985987
+>>57972753 (OP)
+>>hey we need a bunch of littoral combat ships
+>>actually, no we don't
+the US realized its utterly fucking futile to attempt to invade Taiwan to block China from rescuing from the clutches of homosexual liberal fascists
+
+China will instaneously surround Taiwan, blockade it, and amputate the American parasite for good.
+Taiwan will not only THANK China for it, but they will actively help cut the US cancer off too.
+
+Cant wait to see China and the PLN FUCKING SHAME the US by pushing them out of Guam with hypersonic missiles
+the US is in absolutely hysterical, pathetic free-fall, on its way to rock-absolute-bottom
+--- 57986012
+>>57972753 (OP)
+they decided metaphorical combat ships would be more cost-effective
+--- 57987515
+>>57985741
+Look into it, it actually worked for the Independence class just fine for years. The issue was the wake from the Freemdom class fucking with it. So they kept making changes and trying to get it to work and the Indi passed the tests but couldn't be certified due to the organization of the LCS program requiring either both to be certified or neither. Its literally fucking absurd and I wish they'd just split the classes already as its continually been an issue. One of them is a complete failure and one is an cutting edge ship with design quirks that can be worked around to be very useful.
+--- 57987893
+>>57985511
+I think the main issue with the 127 is the Navy really wanting to still focus on boat/drone swarm threats and less on shore bombardment. You might still see a 127 on the upcoming DDG-X (assuming it actually happens this time) but personally I think with the proliferation of anti-ship missiles, UAS threats, and also potentially USV and UUVs has made hostile coast is more dangerous than ever. I think the 57mm should act more in the line of an additional CIWS layer together with SeaRam and any directed energy weapons the develop on the high kilowatt/megawatt range is feasible. 
+
+IMO if you want the shore bombardment capability then a dedicated USV that's cheap, reliable, and is just packing a 127 and maybe a Phalanx/SeaRam is enough. Then you can afford more guns to generate higher volume and you don't care as much about attrition. 127mm with PGK is def not obsolete I just think the platform should evolve and manned surface combatants can use that deck space for something to deal with the bigger threats like sea skimmers etc.
+--- 57988053
+>>57975333
+basketball was invented in canada
+--- 57988226
+Australia needs more surface combatants in the water ASAP, particularly ASW hunter killers with speed and teeth enough to protect themselves. What if they bought a couple of near-new Independence class boats, and used them to operate VTOL UAVs? The island chains around Indonesia & Malaysia seem like the ideal kind of environment for them, really. It mostly depends on how much the USN is wanting to sell them for.
+--- 57988260
+>>57973192
+The best defence is obscurity. You can’t destroy a clittoral warship because no sailor has ever worked out where it is.
+--- 57988330
+>>57985987
+>Cant wait
+You'll have to.
+
+2 more centuries.
+--- 57989056
+>>57982482
+Destroyer Iraq was a strategically sound decision for all that it was mishandled. The situation didn’t go off the rails in Iraq and Afghanistan until the Obama years.
+--- 57989197
+>>57973235
+convert the helipad into a huge VLS stack
+--- 57989240
+>>57975003
+this shit looks like what my useless teammates in Nebulous bring to the fight
+--- 57989695
+Freedom class vs Independence class. which class is better?
+--- 57989772
+>>57972753 (OP)
+Who would buy these shit heaps?
+--- 57989796
+>>57973192
+I do clitoral combat often. Red wing squad veteran.
+--- 57989889
+>>57973031
+litorally this
+--- 57990080
+>>57989695
+Indy, no contest. The propulsion issues alone disqualify Freedom, since that's basically 90% of the popular criticism of the whole program.
+--- 57990114
+>>57990080
+Propulsion issues are already fixed, but the Independence looks cooler and has a bit better range.
+--- 57990298
+>>57973702
+>How about the fact that its being replaced by a frigate called "intermediate size frigate" that is 25% larger? Kinda gives the impression that the La Fayette is small for the type.
+there are no actual tonnage sizes for different classes, youve been lied to. this is why ticonderogas (cruisers) can be built on spruance (destroyer) hulls etc. etc. 
+but even if there were tonnage limits, the FFG(X) is heavier than the previous frigate because.... all american warships are getting heavier. the DDG(X) is also much heavier than current destroyers and the CG(X) program was like double the weight of current cruisers when it was still a thing.
+>good faith
+oh youre just retarded and know nothing about warships i see
+--- 57990736
+>>57987515
+Locksneed-Shartin strikes again!
+--- 57990863
+>>57985444
+Jews, blacks, communism, and women.
+--- 57990867
+>>57985444
+Unironically Global War on Terror.
+--- 57990877
+>>57989695
+Freedom because at least it looks like a proper warship.
+--- 57990937
+>>57972753 (OP)
+why build a shitty corvette when you can build a drone carrier?
+--- 57991002
+>>57990937
+richer than iran
+--- 57991103
+>>57990114
+A bit more than better. 4300 versus 3500 nautical miles, at the same cruise speed. 
+Also, as anon mentioned here >>57987515, the Freedumb class was completely unsuitable for integrating the very equipment that was initially intended for it.

k/57973617.txt

@@ -160,3 +160,100 @@ the only people that dont like fals are the ones that bought a g3 clone/ptr
 --- 57980490
 >>57977553
 Honestly, I think we would be seeing AR-tier shilling for the FAL and be swearing its virtues up and down, had the US adopted the T48
+--- 57980589
+>>57975258
+
+Nta but where's your Hakim to show you know what you're talking about? Not that I don't enjoy seeing you FALggots bicker
+--- 57980621
+>>57980589
+Why would I buy a piece of shit
+Nah I would actually like to buy an AG42 but no good opportunities so far
+--- 57980929
+>>57977137
+you can't just import rifles because of gay restrictions. any rifle or shotgun that comes into the country has to be considered a "sporting weapon" by some government faggot. so bergara can send b-14s all day, but aks either have to come in chopped up as parts kits that some clown at century tries to put together or else in a gay configuration with a thumbhole stock and a 5 rd mag that gets thrown out once it's in the country and then replaced with us made parts to make it compliant.
+--- 57983351
+>>57980490
+The T48 was a hideous inch pattern abomination that would've been dropped even faster than the M14 since it wouldn't even have >muh Springfield Armory to keep it above water. Even boomers wouldn't be very nostalgic for it since it's no good as a target rifle—the front and rear sights are on different halves of the gun, there's no especially good way to mount optics, the lockup changes depending on how many rounds are left in the magazine, etc.
+--- 57983720
+>>57980929
+>or else in a gay configuration with a thumbhole stock and a 5 rd mag that gets thrown out once it's in the country and then replaced with us made parts to make it compliant.
+hey have you ever seen what a SCAR looks like when it comes into the country
+--- 57984299
+>>57974081
+>easier to maintain
+I've got an L1A1, shooting buddy got a G3. The FAL is easier to disassemble, and quite a lot easier to thoroughly clean. The G3 can get a bit fucky in this regard, esp. around the chamber, but I feel it would run without cleaning a longer than the FAL, plus there's no gas system to clean.
+
+I like the FAL/SLR ergos more, it fits me nicely and all the controls are exactly where I need them, still have mixed feelings about the folding charging handle though. Interestingly, my buddy prefers his G3 ergonomy-wise, maybe because he's more familiar with it, but he's also got bigger hands. He had an issue with the charging handle getting stuck if not pulled just right, but a little paracord loop tied to it solved it completely. He loves the drum sights, I feel like they obscure too much of my field of view, but I like the front sight arrangement where the shroud helps you to center the front sight, and wouldn't mind having that on a FAL...
+--- 57984404
+>>57984299
+It's only interesting if you're the extremely common sort of gun person who confuses ergonomics with user interface/experience. Unless you have thalidomide baby flipper arms and can't reach the G3's cocking handle without hyperextending, neither rifle is going to give you a repetitive stress injury or anything, and since rifles have very few controls and they all do what you'd expect them to, the UI/UX of both platforms just comes down to personal preference.
+--- 57985990
+>>57984404
+I mean, not really. The G3 has positively archaic controls compared to the FAL. Especially the charging handle shenanigans descend directly from the MP40
+--- 57986116
+>>57985990
+Skill issue.
+--- 57988621
+>>57985990
+>my friend and I personally prefer different legacy battle rifles, but it's not personal preference—he's just an idiot
+--- 57988695
+>>57986116
+
+This. BHO is the only thing the FAL unquestionably does better. Apart from that I personally like the FAL's para stock more than the A3 stock.
+--- 57988784
+>>57974081
+Both of them are blown out in every possible metric compared to an AR-10.
+--- 57989183
+>>57973926
+The G3 is an objectively worse rifle in every single way, genuinely one of the worst rifles made and not a single nation that had money used it, even the krauts who made it dumped it for a polymer AR18 as soon as they could.
+--- 57989207
+>>57988784
+except reliability and service life lmao
+--- 57989230
+>>57977137
+They did, Springfield imported them back when they were actually allowed to, due to gov restrictions though this is no longer possible. Also there isn't much profit in it anymore.
+--- 57989499
+>>57989183
+
+>Still used today by Sweden, instantly BTFO out of that money argument. Used to this day/longer than the "superior" battle rifles M-14 or FAL. More accurate and reliable than a FAL.
+
+Just like an AK's legendary reputation being fucked because 99.9% of its users are shitskins or Asians. Oh wait- performance doesn't care about your feelings FALggot. Keep that teutonic supremacy in mind while you dilate.
+--- 57989518
+>>57989207
+The AR-10 is still in service today by a huge number of militaries, the G3 is only used by shitty armies or reserve forces now.
+--- 57990825
+>>57989499
+It's a rifle that works and specially in the case of the AK it was given away for free to anyone fighting in the name of communism by the crateload. The G3 was similarly given away because it was cheap, far cheaper than the FAL or M14 (which were also given to shitskins for free) but the fact pretty much no one still uses G3's is very telling how great they are just like how no one uses AR10's everyone is using FAL's and even fucking M14's over them. The reason the AK has stuck around is not due to it being the best but because the nations that make them can not afford to replace them, once these nations get money they drop the AK faster than a black father drops his kids. Places like Poland, Finland, China, Israel, South Africa and so on, of course these nations will continue to keep the guns they already have but eventually the AK will be phased out just as the G3. This will happen with all the cold war rifles but it will happen a hell of a lot slower than it did with the shitter rifles.
+--- 57990953
+>>57988695
+>BHO is the only thing the FAL unquestionably does better.
+>adjustable gas system vs having to change locking pieces
+--- 57990966
+>>57989518
+>AR-10 is still in service today by a huge number of militaries
+Saying "still" is disingenuous, because I'm pretty sure nobody has the original in service to this day.
+--- 57990980
+>>57988621
+If the AR-15 gets to claim superior ergonomics in every conversation despite the fucktarded charging handle, then I can claim the FAL to have superior ergonomics compared to the G3.
+--- 57991134
+>>57990825
+
+No one is using FALs over G3s in any decent military and you're smoking crack if you think otherwise. Sweden and Norway until late last year blow out most of the SLR users on their own while another 20+ countries use it for marksman and special forces.
+
+Even Ukraine is using G3s while your precious do-not-redeem-sirs FAL is continuing to fall behind in relevance.
+--- 57991138
+>>57990953
+
+>Not needing to change the locking piece at all when firing normal ammo or not chopping the whole system down to HK51 levels ad still being more reliable and longer-lasting than the FAL.
+--- 57991168
+>>57991138
+Poorfag cope
+--- 57991343
+>>57984404
+Ah, kinda thought that UI/UX are computer-related only, and I was pretty sure that controls placement is one of the things ergonomy deals with. Might be a language think as well (eurofag).
+Anyway, from a UI/UX perspective the G3 sucks <for me>, as I can't reach the safety lever without changing my grip - plus it's stiff as fuck on the G3s I've handled and fired. On the other hand, the SLR safety sits right under my thumb, is easy to flip up or down and gives tactile feedback. I mean, the G3 safety wouldn't be a problem in a Fulda Gap scenario, but that can't change the fact the L1A1 safety fits me much better.
+The "interesting" (or maybe surprising) thing to me was that we both chose the rifles mostly due to aesthetics (and availability), yet ended up with guns that we actually prefer. Maybe it's just confirmation bias.
+>>57988621 I don't get your point.
+--- 57991373
+>>57991343
+The SLR safety is actually better than the regular FAL's. Same with the mag release. It's more awkward when you don't have gloves on, but you'll see the point when you're wearing mitts and have to change mags

k/57974511.txt

@@ -166,3 +166,434 @@ Ideally there's enough competition that this isn't an issue, but in some places
 >>57978077
 >which means you're guilty by default if you can't show you have an exception
 That would be an affirmative defense situation, very uncommon. Cite state codes.
+--- 57980546
+>>57974570
+Thought I'd plug my gf of almost 2 years in here for shits and giggles even though I feel like this wasn't made by someone who actually speaks to women on a regular basis.
+>>57975591
+>I get it, but at the same time if you want all the other things, you're looking for a tomboy and they tend to have higher than average male friends because they also think those girly things you think are stupid are stupid too, and thus don't have many female freinds.
+Yeah ditto, my gf is the epitome of a tomboy and she made a lot of her friends over Xbox live so a lot of them are dudes she played Modern Warfare 2 with and other tomboys. Funnily enough she'd get lesbians flirting with her only to find out she was straight.
+--- 57980551
+>>57974511 (OP)
+i've never been asked for anything. never asked to show a stamp at a range, never asked to show a hunting or fishing license.
+but, if i were to be asked by the proper boys, and not have it, the cost would be more than the cost of the registration.
+--- 57980554
+>>57975624
+Leave no trace ;)
+--- 57980698
+>>57975591
+They fuck the dog, anon. Any large male dog should be viewed with skepticism.
+--- 57980808
+>>57974570
+>Bodycount over 3
+why is that bad?
+--- 57982521
+>>57976043
+Do you have pictures of known examples besides those mentioned in >>57976069 ?
+--- 57982541
+>>5797457
+>Body count over 3
+>20% male friends
+Both of these should be 0. Yes these women exists, go to church. 
+>Taller than 5'7" 
+What onions fag made this
+--- 57982551
+>>57982541
+Meant >>57974570
+--- 57982558
+>>57974570
+Shieeeeeeet
+--- 57982569
+>>57980808
+I think 3 bodies is when you officially meet the definition of a serial killer. Seems like a fair red flag.
+--- 57982589
+>>57974570
+Was this chart made by an actual incel? Some of these are red flags but like 70% of these things are completely normal
+--- 57982592
+>>57982589
+Well you're on 4chan so yeah
+--- 57982632
+>>57974570
+>NO dog owners
+>NO popular music
+>NO popular tv shows
+>NO drinking
+>NO gay friends 
+>NO makeup 
+>NO starbucks 
+>NO social media
+>MUST know how to use a sewing machine 
+>MUST be short
+what kind of woman are you looking for, a medieval peasant?
+--- 57982662
+>>57982632
+A lot of these are literally Taliban rules. Kek. I winder if there's an incel to Islam pipeline.
+--- 57982683
+>>57982589
+>be incel
+>miss out on teenage intimacy/taking a girls virginity because you were too busy watching anime
+>bitterly seethe about normies online into your 20s
+>cultivate a reaction image folder full of charts and quotes about women, troons, and BBC
+Many such cases.
+--- 57982697
+>>57974570
+at what point does this tradfag shit just become one giant excuse for not having a gf? 
+>uhh yeah i've never had a gf or sex because of my excessively high standards that are actually based and reasonable. 
+>btw i also rate submissive feminine perfection despite being a SOLID 5/10 somewhat-unsuccessful man who spends a significant portion of his life complaining on the internet and reply "Yes." to any sort of criticism people give me.
+--- 57982700
+>>57980546
+>on meds
+probably the most important one on that sheet aside from BPD. its over for you anon, good luck.
+--- 57982714
+>>57974570
+I should call her
+--- 57982740
+>>57982700
+>not sticking your dick in crazy at least once
+Shit keeps you on your toes Anon. 
+Get a text telling you she’s coming over after her shift and wondering if you’re about to get deepthroated or if you should lock up and hide any valuables/sharp objects.
+--- 57982811
+>>57982697
+>at what point does this tradfag shit just become one giant excuse for not having a gf? 
+That’s pretty much been the point of the trad wife meme since the mid 2010’s. If you’re actually a practicing Catholic AND you actually take care of your body AND you’re not a bitter faggot who hates everything remotely popular then you can get a trad gf/wife pretty easily. You’re not going to meet a cute trad girl if you spend all your time in front of a computer and cute trad girls aren’t going to want you if you’re a bitter, out of shape uggo with a temper and an inferiority complex.
+--- 57982885
+>>57982811
+When these types always bitch about not being able to find women I point them to their nearest church group. Bible study and other church groups were fucking SWARMING with beautiful trad women. And if you aren't a retard, even if there are no women your age around, you make friends with their parents who then introduce you as that "nice Christian man from church" to her and try to match make. Its so straightforward I tell people who aren't Christians to give it a try if they want women. They never do, though, because they're too lazy to even use up a Sunday morning and a late afternoon on Church and a group.
+--- 57983380
+>>57982700
+Wut meds tho?
+I love my autismo spaz of a girlfriend
+--- 57983635
+>>57974570
+What do I win?
+--- 57983726
+>>57974511 (OP)
+I had a guy next to me in my local indoor range one time with a 7" barrel and a stock. Kept mag dumping too. 
+Had a different time where a dude brought his auto m16 and kept magdumping. Said this was his "last time having fun". Presumably he was either going to sell it and his spas, or was going to move or something. 
+No one said anything about it.
+--- 57983782
+>>57974511 (OP)
+No, in my journey of building a PCC from scratch, I didn't know there are certain requirements for buffer and buffer spring come to find out if you use AR carbine spring and buffer it will slam fire two or three rounds before it stop. Testing this out at a public range with no RO and people were intrigued by it and couple of people test the slam fire and had a lot of fun with it.
+
+The PCC is working safely now, it needed heavier buffer and a AR-10 carbine buffer spring to have the timing correctly.
+--- 57983879
+>>57978027
+Ah, a fellow texas anon?
+--- 57984007
+>>57983879
+NC
+--- 57984107
+>>57982714
+>womanlet
+No you shouldn’t
+--- 57984146
+>>57974570
+>Owns a dog
+kek u jus kno
+
+You can boil this all down to one thing:
+>family
+Are her bio mom and dad happy together? Yes? She's probably fine. Every damaged woman I've ever dated or known has had daddy issues: abuse, abandonment, death, divorce, etc.
+
+Men get shit, we get shit for being masculine, for "mansplaining", taking traditional roles and shit. Guess what? All that shit works, and for posterity if you do it then the world will be better off.
+--- 57984233
+>>57974570
+I think I win
+--- 57984321
+I never had a range officer come by, but after finishing an 80% lower I had a trigger pin that was walking out after 20 rounds or so and one time was at a local range and had forgotten about fixing it and apparently when one side of the trigger tilts you can rip off a burst (and I did) and the guy next to me gave me a wide eyed look like he just saw the devil lol I showed him the issue and we had a laugh.
+--- 57984369
+>>57978121
+This was just passed in Indiana:
+https://thehill.com/homenews/3962572-indiana-gov-holcomb-signs-bill-making-machine-gun-switch-illegal/
+As for other states, you can easily find this stuff yourself if you're not retarded.
+--- 57984477
+>>57984384
+Glow harder nigger
+--- 57984515
+>>57982700
+She's a schizo but a relatively tame one, when she starts hearing voices her first idea is to distract herself with me. Turns out it's hard to focus on schizophrenic hallucinations while having sex. Honestly though I've dealt with crazy bitches before and it's surprising how stable and level headed my gf actually is. Unlike BPD I guess schizo's can still be good people despite their condition.
+--- 57984538
+>>57974570
+>has a gay best friend 
+Retard detected
+--- 57984586
+>>57977445
+Oh, cool. Axe him when's the next Mario game coming out??
+--- 57984647
+>>57980551
+One time a range stopped me and demanded to see my AR, I handed it over and they started fangirling over the keychain I had hooked to it using a QD swivel mount saying "DUDE, HE'S GOT THE RAINBOW SIX SIEGE SWAG" 
+Then they thanked me and I walked out the door. I like them but they're a little too far away from me to consider going there unless I shoot with a buddy then and there.
+--- 57984653
+>>57974570
+>body count over 3
+Not important
+--- 57984726
+>>57983635
+you didnt get bingo retard you win nothing
+--- 57984749
+>>57982700
+tons of people are medicated and mostly fine, you can say certain meds can fuck you up mentally/emotionally but just going 'lmao you're on meds....' ends up with you isolating pretty much everyone.
+--- 57984792
+>>57984653
+Cuck. Virgin or bust.
+--- 57984802
+>>57984384
+go away niglet
+--- 57985041
+>>57982811
+>>57982885
+>>57982697
+>>57975591
+>>57980546
+
+Do you faggots not know how bingo works? It's not one thing, its is many things to the point that it forms of fucking line of them despite the random assignment. 
+
+Three on there that instant no goes if I was still on the market: leftist(deserves death), friend with a fag(deserves death), and being a fatty. The rest can be fixed with a combination of earnest affection and emotional abuse. And by leftist I mean actual ideological leftist not just a woman who stupidly follows social dictates from the faggots who run our society, because that is every woman.
+--- 57985108
+>>57982885
+>SWARMING with beautiful trad women
+Absolute doubt
+--- 57985127
+>>57982632
+You arent?
+--- 57985175
+>>57985041
+>if I was still on the market
+How's your boyfriend treating you?
+--- 57985185
+>>57982632
+>no drinking
+>medieval peasant
+lmao
+--- 57985225
+>>57982885
+>Bible study and other church groups were fucking SWARMING with beautiful trad women.
+No they aren't.
+>And if you aren't a retard, even if there are no women your age around, you make friends with their parents who then introduce you as that "nice Christian man from church" to her and try to match make.
+lol
+lmao
+--- 57985247
+>>57985225
+you’ve clearly never been to a catholic bible study group. also you can volunteer for mission trips, they’re like a couple weeks long and are teeming with trad girls looking for a husband. but if you’re resigned to spending all your free time jerking off and playing video games then you will never get a gf, trad or otherwise
+--- 57985271
+>>57985247
+Okay, Padre
+>dont forget to tithe, "For our good and the good of all His holy church"!
+--- 57985365
+>>57974570
+>bi-sexual
+>over 5'7
+>starbucks
+Weird choices
+--- 57985384
+>>57974570
+Literally nothing wrong with tall ladies and genuine weeb ladies, the rest of it is solid though.
+--- 57985527
+>>57974570
+>BPD
+Absolutely 100% accurate. Run for the fucking door. If you have to sleep with her (and the sex will be crazy) make it clear it's a hookup and then run for the fucking door afterwards.
+>Dyed hair
+I hate it, but depends on if you're dealing with an artsy type or not.
+>Anime
+Fine unless it's a lifestyle.
+>Guy/girl ratio
+Dunno. I've known girls with tons of guy friends but they were mostly gay theater dudes they treat like women.
+>Weight
+Depends on height
+>Can't cook
+This is a red flag for anyone, male or female
+>Not like other girls
+Means she's boring and just like other girls
+>Drinks
+Fine if she's not a drunk
+>Smokes
+Disgusting
+>Drugs
+Red flag if she's serious about it
+>Makeup
+I don't like it, personal preference
+>Bisexual
+Depends on if she's "bi" or actually bi
+>Gay best friend
+This is really normal
+>Active on social media
+Nigga it's 2023 my grandmother has Instagram
+>Popular tv shows
+What you only watch My Mother The Car?
+>No father
+Eh, depends
+>Tall
+Are you fucking serious I'm 6' and I'd kill for a woman who's anywhere near my size
+>Leftist
+Are we talking registered democrat or SJW?
+>Wigs
+Vain if white, kinda normal if black but I don't like it
+>Starbucks
+Does she have a club card or not?
+>No sewing machine
+I appreciate crafty girls but that's just one type
+>No pop music
+WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG YOU WERE THE KIND OF CARROT FLOWERS
+>Meds
+Indigestion=yes, bipolar=no
+>Body count
+Age dependent. I'm in my 30s and women without dating experience at this age have mental problems.
+>Self hard
+Yeah, check please. "I used to be crazy but I'm not any more" means "I'm still crazy"
+>Owns a dog
+Owns: fine
+Obsessed with: creepy
+Fucks: will only watch on unlisted romanian porn sites
+--- 57985530
+>>57985247
+>also you can volunteer for mission trips, they’re like a couple weeks long and are teeming with trad girls looking for a husband
+All of the mission trips that my church has are full of single guys and married couples.
+>but if you’re resigned to spending all your free time jerking off and playing video games then you will never get a gf, trad or otherwise
+I don't want a gf, I don't want any woman from this earth. They disappoint and disgust me down to my soul, and most of them are frankly demonic with how they act. Christian women are still women. Unless you can find a one in a million woman that isn't, they're still neurotic, unstable, impulsive, and retarded. I'm just here to laugh at your
+>It's so straightforward bro, just go to bible study bro
+bullshit. It doesn't work everywhere or for everyone, especially in this day and age.
+--- 57985539
+>>57983726
+>No one said anything about it.
+Should I bring my elephant gun to an indoor range?
+--- 57985569
+>>57985247
+I dated a girl from my church. She was obsessed with yaoi, gay slash fiction, and convention cosplaying male characters with other girls dressed as men.
+--- 57985590
+>>57985527
+they forget a few:
+>wears vans/converse
+>has an invader zim/adventure time backpack
+>"lol I'm so quirky"
+>vegetarian/vegan
+>vegetarian/vegan and eats garbage foods like fries or milkshakes/sweets
+>bro you're just like such a bro to me, we're great friends
+>"I'll kick you in the balls if you touch me"
+>"Hey let's smoke Hookah on top of the house"
+--- 57985857
+>>57985530
+Pray to God and you'll find one, it's how I found my woman. Took years of prayer but I think it took so long because God was waiting for me to be a better person first. Sometimes you should look inward at why you're alone, self improvement is very important. Lift weights, gain wisdom, become more patient, basically just grow as a person first and then you'll get blindsided by the woman you were looking for all along. At least that's what happened to me anyway.
+--- 57986051
+>>57985857
+lift deez nutts
+--- 57986109
+>>57985539
+I doubt they'd let you into this one. There's a store on the other side of their range wall, so stuff is kept pretty small arms. Pretty sure ~30 is about the largest they allow.
+--- 57986189
+>>57974511 (OP)
+Don't go to ranges, just go to open land that's safe to shoot on. I've dealt with these retards who breathe lead all day for minimum wage, they're retarded and don't actually let you train. You can't even draw from the holster at a range. How the fuck are you supposed to train anything other than standing in one spot and shooting slowly? You can literally only function test and slightly accuracy test your guns there. You pay a fee just to breathe lead and have some lead-brained boomer breathing down your neck.
+--- 57986338
+>>57985590
+>likes Vriska from Homestuck
+>weird unusual religious beliefs, like worshipping Ancient Greek gods and shit
+>claims to have dissociative identity disorder
+>Reddit user
+>complains about “incels”
+>excessive body modifications (a couple tattoos and piercings are okay but anything beyond that is sketchy at best)
+>significantly under/overweight without being self aware about it to some extent 
+>has fucked more than like 2 or 3 different people in the past year (unless there’s some kinda polyamory shit going on, which is often a total fucking meme but can work if handled correctly)
+>likes yaoi/is weird and fetishy about gay guys
+>fan of My Hero Academia, Hetalia, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure or any other anime with uwu hot boiz
+--- 57986347
+>>57985271
+>I WANT A VIRGIN TRAD GF
+>go to church
+>NO
+idk what to tell you man
+--- 57986378
+>>57984538
+Faggot detected.
+--- 57986411
+>>57985857
+>Pray to God and you'll find one
+Don't want to find one, not on this planet.
+>Sometimes you should look inward at why you're alone
+Aside from choice? I'm socially awkward, introverted, suck at talking to people, have weird hobbies/interests that very few people share, and really bad social anxiety. Assuming women didn't disgust and disappoint me as much as they do and I wanted to be with one from this earth, I'd have more luck trying to suck start an empty shotgun than I would "dating". Honestly I consider it a blessing that my church group accepts me in spite of how weird and awkward I am, and that I got to be friends with a guy there who likes guns as well.
+>you'll get blindsided by the woman you were looking for all along
+I sure as fuck hope I wouldn't get blindsided, that'd show how lacking my situational awareness is.
+--- 57986484
+>>57974511 (OP)
+are range officers an indoor range thing? Never been to an indoor range. The one I use there's nothing of the sort. I can do rapid fire mag dumps all day if I wanted to. Not that I usually do that. I usually save my one or two magdumps for the end before I leave.
+--- 57987708
+>>57986484
+Most rod and gun clubs and private ranges will have one or more, indoors for general safety and outdoors to prevent retards from skeeting all over the 5 stand users and etc, public ranges generally don't unless state law allows for it
+--- 57987784
+>>57974570
+BOARD FUCKING DERAILED
+Just like that
+--- 57987797
+>>57974511 (OP)
+I have a better question: any cases of range officers being killed by range patrons? Like someone just fuckin shooting some faggoty RO in the head and then proceeding to magdump rapidfire?
+--- 57987814
+>>57987797
+some latina loli killed her range instructor after he gave her a full giggle uzi and leaned over her head to help her shoot it
+--- 57987822
+>>57987814
+lmfao sauce?
+--- 57987828
+>>57974511 (OP)
+The Anal Turd Foundation literally just ruled that a piece of trash, like literally metal shavings, were an auto sear.
+--- 57987941
+>>57975624
+>understandable have a nice day
+that was easy give me a hard one
+--- 57988021
+>>57987822
+https://youtu.be/cfMzK7QwfrU [Embed]
+full vid is out there but i'm too lazy to sauce it.
+but looks how he's touching her
+>you just know
+--- 57988273
+>>57988021
+lmfao what a fuckin asshole, he deserves what he gets
+--- 57988448
+>>57974570
+>tfw no 6'5" 200lb girl to rest her chin on my head while I nuzzle into her chest
+Bitch, get on my level.
+--- 57988544
+>>57982740
+>you’re about to get deepthroated
+re-read what you typed you flaming homosexual
+--- 57988628
+>>57974570
+>taller than 5'7
+>drinking
+>anime
+>bad
+I would be a massive hypocrite to reject a woman that drinks because I drink too
+--- 57988689
+>>57982697
+I've stopped caring at this point
+I just want a girl who is cute, tall, not a slut, not fat, and doesn't give me shit about my hobbies and interests
+--- 57988755
+>>57985857
+Admin Results pls go
+--- 57988769
+>>57974511 (OP)
+ATF/IRS are the only ones you'd HAVE to show it to. ROs can ask you to leave as they are in control of the property you are on and can have you leave for any reason that isn't protected (like race, gender, etc). This doesn't mean the police can't just arrest you for w/e bullshit and sort it out while you wait 24hrs in jail.
+
+You already bent the knee getting a tax stamp, just keep a copy with the NFA item.
+--- 57990277
+>>57988544
+What exactly is your point?
+--- 57990404
+>>57974511 (OP)
+>public range
+I shoot off my porch.
+--- 57990430
+>>57977998
+Yeah, it's hilarious how normalfags decide that some number of prior dicks taken is somehow ok but then magically stops being ok after that. I bet that this is the number claimed by the author's gf.
+
+Used goods is never ok, period.
+--- 57990499
+>>57985041
+>I can't fix leftism
+>I can fix BPD
+Kek you're a fucking stupid virgin, women have no political compass of their own and as soon as they love you will agree with you because they're naturally submissive to their man
+BPD means they're fucked in the head totally
+You're a fucking retarded virgin
+--- 57990530
+>>57990430
+I'm not buying a Lancias stratos with no milage am I?
+--- 57990701
+>>57974570
+No bingos, we're good

k/57974958.txt

@@ -94,3 +94,166 @@ Now fuck off
 --- 57980333
 >>57974958 (OP)
 Keep recording, I'm a fucking doorcam, the fuck you want me to do?
+--- 57981805
+>>57974987
+kek
+--- 57981813
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Throw a pipe bomb.
+--- 57981815
+What a bunch of dumb fucks
+--- 57981829
+Open fire with my real gun since those nigger cap guns don't phase me.
+--- 57981838
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Simple
+--- 57981889
+pull the stairs into a slide lever 
+push the lard the slide button 
+go sit in my engi chair and taunt them as they try to get up to me
+--- 57981966
+>>57975212
+Yes. Niggers are like vermin. You can live in a nice white community and act like they're such pleasant people, but I guarantee you wouldn't be virtue signalling in defense of blackpipo on 4chan if you grew up in Chicago as a white kid.
+--- 57982020
+>>57974987
+based and bonapilled
+--- 57982053
+>>57975087
+>fairly uncommon
+>mostly peaceful
+>future engineer
+Denial is a hell of a mental state
+--- 57982061
+>>57974958 (OP)
+ITS PAYNE
+--- 57982265
+>>57974958 (OP)
+debin grenada
+>>57975525
+psychopath
+--- 57982267
+Let’s just get this out of the way:
+
+>niggers shooting with 2 hands. What a pleasant surprise. Doesn’t look like they’re aiming though. Maybe in another thousand years with the right selective pressures they’ll be able to figure out sights.
+
+For reals though, Nothing you can do, right? short of magdumping in full auto? 3 guys materialize from nowhere all shooting at you from ~10 feet away. There’s no situation where you don’t die. Even with nigger aim, they’ll get lucky Atleast a few times. 
+
+In anticipation of situations like this, maybe it makes sense to have cameras everywhere in your house so you when you hear a bump in the night, you know how many there are and where they are and you can surprise them with gunfire on your terms vs the other way around.
+--- 57982554
+>>57981838
+>that late negligent pop
+This is why binaries are dangerous and retarded. Every dollar spent on these cope triggers could have gone to financing legal fights to repeal the NFA.
+--- 57982613
+>>57981966
+Facts. Rushing to the defense of niggers is almost an honest indicator that one has never been around them outside of maybe sanitized places, like colleges or on tv. Even a year around niggers is enough to BTFO anyone’s delusions about them.
+--- 57983243
+>>57981966
+Agreed. It wasnt the klan or the aryan brotherhoods vast network of influence that cultivated my attitutde towards basketball americans. It was fbi crime statistics and being around blacks.
+--- 57983262
+>>57974987
+>Yo Tyrese, give those niggas a broadside volley
+--- 57983288
+>>57982554
+It runs fine. I was dumping the drum because it was loaded with shit ammo I had recently learned didn’t have enough neck tension. Unforturnatly I only got through like 10 rounds before the shitty ammo literally plugged my barrel with a bullet that fell out of the case. The FRT runs great
+--- 57983317
+>>57982554
+Kek 
+>paying Jews to fail at at winning the repeal of the.NFA 
+Not just buying your own FRT instead 
+
+That’s dumb anon
+--- 57983356
+>>57982053
+have you ever been mugged?
+--- 57983434
+Shout VIBE CHECK, and toss a grenade down the stairs. Or that's what I would do if my government hadn't been infiltrated by foreign powers intent on turning my people back into serfs.
+--- 57983472
+>>57974958 (OP)
+make a mental note to contact the lawyer
+--- 57983709
+>>57982554
+poorfag cope
+--- 57984161
+>>57983356
+Have you ever been in a black "community?"
+--- 57984345
+>>57975525
+This.
+--- 57984382
+>>57984161
+My godmother was a black baptist woman and my best friends were all black. Only problem I ever had was when a puerto rican kid stabbed me over a game of street football and a goth puerto rican tried shooting up the school.
+>tfw black best friend beat him and his brothers with their bicycle post stabbing
+--- 57984427
+>>57974958 (OP)
+They arent actually aiming and are flying around the corner. Shoot them in response, hope they dont hit you or at least only hit non-vital areas. The third guy is most dangerous. First two are dead men unless they luck out and land incapacitating shots.
+--- 57984461
+>>57984427
+It wouldn't be the worst way to advance up a contested stairwell without explosives. Pretty effective suppressing fire if they coordinated better.
+--- 57984481
+>>57975011
+Why do you let niggers live rent free in your country?
+--- 57984537
+>>57983356
+The only people who have ever committed a crime against me has been either niggers or browns.
+--- 57984549
+>>57974958 (OP)
+My home security alerts me that there is niggerdom afoot in this, my very homestead. 
+>don personal body armor 
+>equip combat rifle 
+>grab can of whipped cream from refrigerator 
+>inhale the air from the aforementioned can of whipped cream, this action known as “doing whippets” 
+>I immediately go into bullet time 
+>proceed to mop the floor with the three inbred nigger-faggot-retards at inhuman speed, mimicking the gameplay mechanics of the video game F.E.A.R. (2005) 
+>upon slaughtering the otherwise sub animal retard home invaders, I congratulate myself with a celebratory whippet and return to sleep
+>if my wife asks what happened I’ll just tell her I was sleep walking
+
+But what about the bodies anon?
+>throw them out back in the morning, hogs and coyotes will go crazy
+--- 57984607
+>>57974987
+Just like the founding fathers intended
+--- 57985073
+>>57974958 (OP)
+>wat do
+>close the door
+>run to my grandfathers arsenal at the basement
+>get the mg42 based machine gun
+>go back
+>spray the entire floor three times 
+>collect the pieces
+--- 57985083
+>>57984382
+My grandmother was raped by niggers working in the laundromat, my mother got her bike stolen from her on campus by a nigger, and my sister (and her friends) need to watch their backs regularly around the negroes and negresses because they cause so many school fights. But it's all good cuz I can listen to them howl like monkeys in church singin SOVL sawngs!
+--- 57985159
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Die
+--- 57985180
+>>57979559
+Just get something with a Sierra TMK, or any Mk 262 clone
+--- 57985211
+>>57985083
+>still lives in that area
+Blacks in my neighborhood are based. Not my fault your mick family never moved out of Harlem
+--- 57985697
+>>57974958 (OP)
+As a wise man once said, the best way to clear a stairwell is to go back about 400m, and tell a guy in a F/A-18 to drop a 500lb bomb on the laser
+--- 57985797
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Go back to /tv/ you flaming fucking faggot. This is /k/, not your personal shitposting board.
+--- 57986767
+>>57974958 (OP)
+well given they're all clearly aiming at the camera and 60 shots later it's still unhit I'm guessing all I have to do is stand there and start shooting back when they reload
+--- 57989206
+>>57975212
+well yeah
+--- 57989392
+idk. i wanna die so i dont mind home invaders.
+--- 57990792
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Piss on 'em
+--- 57991194
+>>57975049
+Are you a denverfag or something
+--- 57991230
+>>57974958 (OP)
+Question why all of the sudden my house has a second story and became a crack shack. Then shake my head as black foolishness and toss a grenade

k/57975110.txt

@@ -147,3 +147,255 @@ The absolutely desperate drive to reduce production cost to boost profits. makes
 --- 57980169
 >>57978753
 ok wumao
+--- 57982056
+>>57979319
+not him but cant modern treatments and alloys nake casting pretty good? Im sure theyre not doing it with totally ancient methods?
+--- 57982781
+>>57975110 (OP)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQzXJ85cdM [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8c6_ih2zF4 [Embed]
+--- 57982902
+>>57975634
+>>57975655
+>>57975665
+>>57975704
+Soulless lockmart vs soulful CONVAIR in the same building
+
+t. Convair (A General Dynamics Company) shill
+--- 57982943
+>>57977837
+If you’re referring to the Willow Run plant in Michigan it was actually 52 minutes
+--- 57983100
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVtpOHQqvY [Embed]
+--- 57983113
+>>57975110 (OP)
+can a nigga get nazi underground factory and hangar pics ?
+--- 57983165
+>>57982902
+I've got lots of pictures, videos, and stories of this plant and the military base across the runway. In my free time I spend hours digging through library archives. I also do informal interviews with old guys that used to work there. I buy them lunch and they tell me the stories of the F-16XL, pacer mud, F-111, or even some from the B-58 days.
+
+Pic related was one that I giggled at. Taken in the Convair engine test cell in Fort worth. 
+Just so you know, this is to clean the engine. Today, they use something like walnut shells.
+--- 57983211
+At the WWII B-24 plant in Wayne county, planes had to do an abrupt 90 degree turn on the line. The reason?
+
+If the plant had continued straight, Henry Ford would have had to pay taxes for Oakland county as well. Just a fun tidbit from my grampa.
+--- 57983301
+>>57983211
+LOL
+--- 57983321
+>>57983176
+what is this?
+--- 57983377
+>>57983321
+Hungary's most powerful warship, SMS Leitha.
+--- 57983431
+>>57976073
+I think the quote by one of the Reich top brass was along the lines of America only capable of producing refrigerators and tissues or something. Been meaning to find the exact line.
+--- 57983494
+>>57978753
+>It would take us 10 years to manufacture 10 weeks worth of war materials if we were to fight the Japs/Krauts. : -)
+>The great depression means American industry is ded. :-)
+>All of Americas rubber and tin comes from the 'Pacific', now under Jap control. :-)
+--- 57983530
+>>57978753
+>The average age in manufacturing is 47. :-)
+
+Good. Those skills are best refined over time as there are many refinements to learn. Boeing FAFO moving to Charleston. 
+
+Young people are best used to die at the front being silly creatures. Building precision machinery is for the experienced and wise.
+--- 57983540
+>>57983494
+Let me see who today manufactures the most steel, concrete, cars, and ships in the wo-oh.
+--- 57983558
+>>57982056
+There is no version of cast grain structure that isn't cheap shit where weapons are concerned. Note that in an era where CNC machining is dead easy, toy gun makers fight desperately to pinch pennies. 
+
+Their user base don't care so it's fine.
+--- 57983898
+>>57977815
+Well good news is that as the pic says, none of their piece of shit planes got anyone killed.
+--- 57983911
+>>57978753
+Shut the fuck up Chang.
+--- 57983967
+>be General Dynamics
+>install brand new parts fabricator
+>massive piece of equipment
+>equipment is spread out on two separate moutning bases on floor
+>after install, 1st shift runs all the tests and calibration
+>everything checks out
+>start manufacturing parts 
+>perfect everytime
+>2nd shift and 3rd shift comes around
+>parts are all out of tolerance
+>fuck
+>next morning 1st shift takes a look at it, fabricator running absolutely perfect, everything in tolerance
+>problem repeats again that evening
+>spend the next couple days scratching heads
+>decide to set up a bunch of lasers to measure positioning
+>come to find out
+>the parking lot would heat up and expand from the Texas sun in the late afternoon and push against the foundation of the factory and move one of the equipment bases over just enough to put it out of whack
+>easy fix, saw cut a gap in the concrete foundation between mounting base and factory wall
+--- 57984285
+>>57979037
+ Reads like a entry of a concious universe cataloging us, kino
+--- 57984309
+>>57977815
+Union workers a scourge.
+Allow non union yards to bid.
+https://news.usni.org/2023/04/20/navy-will-have-challenges-meeting-submarine-delivery-schedules
+--- 57984478
+USS Texas new torpedo blisters getting made.
+--- 57984489
+>>57984478
+--- 57984541
+>>57984478
+>>57984489
+Those will come in handy when Texas secedes and starts shelling Mexican and US coastal hellholes.
+--- 57984547
+>>57979037
+If you're going to wax poetic proof read your shit. 
+Retard.
+--- 57984595
+>>57975655
+Mexicans are allowed on this stuff?
+--- 57984879
+>>57983100
+Videos of a soviet tank factory reside on YT need to find them.
+--- 57984893
+>>57978884
+Circumcised? Compared to what? This looks like an m50 Super Sherman with 75mm high velocity gun.
+--- 57986273
+>>57983165
+>F-16XL
+I shoud go ask my AFRC friends about that sometime. What an aircraft.
+
+>pic
+At first I thought this was the world's worst FOD test
+--- 57986291
+>>57983113
+Mittelwerke
+--- 57986328
+>>57984309
+--- 57986509
+>>57977557
+Yea because even back then it was damn near impossible to get nignogs to work.
+--- 57986772
+>>57983967
+Can't get away from thermodynamics.
+Hell of a class to take and pass but at the levels above midgrade shit it is always a factor.
+--- 57986955
+This guy does really good videos on the V-2. Finally made one about producing it.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmj-OqsX3XY [Embed]
+--- 57987022
+>>57978753
+They hated him because he spoke the truth.
+--- 57987114
+>>57983422
+The Union Navy called, they want their ironclad back.
+--- 57987155
+>>57986772
+Thermo added a year to my degree, and fluids added another. I made it eventually, but damn.
+--- 57987336
+>>57986772
+>>57987155
+>thermo
+>hard
+Fucking midwits, holy shit. Checks out for nu/k/ being populated by braindead plebbitors. If you look back on your education and a lower division thermodynamics class is the hardest course you took, something is SERIOUSLY fucked up.
+--- 57987425
+Jesus christ, the more I think about it, the worse it gets. Y'all /k/ope niggas can't even do FEM by hand.
+--- 57987579
+>>57975110 (OP)
+They hired midgets to do the riveting at the ends of the wings because they were the only ones small enough to fit into some of the tight spaces and do the work.
+--- 57988389
+challenger prototype
+--- 57989041
+>>57978849
+still made today
+http://morpac.com/stringing/M40.pdf
+--- 57989192
+The B-36's tail was so tall, they had to keep the plane mounted on movable supports to lift the nose up just to get it to clear the ceiling supports and main door
+--- 57989219
+>>57989192
+What a terrible aircraft.
+--- 57989296
+>>57989219
+maybe if you took a tour of the factory, you wouldn't be so ignorant.
+--- 57989404
+>>57982902
+hustler is one of the most aesthetic planes fr
+--- 57989426
+>>57984309
+Eat my dick company man.
+--- 57989432
+>>57988389
+did they preserve the bowel movements that inspired the warrior too?
+--- 57989477
+>>57989404
+Remind yourself that this plane first flew 11 years after WW2 ended.
+--- 57989609
+>>57989426
+You can't post!!
+It's mandatory break time. I'm afraid I'm going to have to take this to the Union.
+
+I hope they'll see to it that you loose your pension for undermining the authority of the union.
+--- 57989701
+>>57989477
+> 1945 was 11 years ago
+where does the time go bros...
+--- 57989714
+>>57975110 (OP)
+found waldo the nog
+--- 57989778
+>>57987155
+Thermo, Fluids, and Heat Transfer were oddly easy for me. Calc 1-3 and ODE's were significantly harder for me.
+--- 57989799
+>>57975110 (OP)
+>100% of the people in that photo are dead
+--- 57989820
+>>57989296
+By all objective measures, the B-36 was a massive piece of shit.
+--- 57989878
+>>57989778
+calc 1-3 and ODEs were an absolute treat, and a total cakewalk compared to signals & systems/emag/every analog EE/ECE class ever
+--- 57989908
+Looking through this thread I just realize how fucking gay computers are. They take the fun and gamesmanship completely out of warfare.
+t. Ted
+--- 57989921
+>>57979048
+>Bristol Brabazon
+England made some amazing airplanes postwar. >tfw no Princess gf
+--- 57989965
+>>57989820
+Looks like you weren't paying attention during the tour.
+--- 57989971
+>>57986273
+>At first I thought this was the world's worst FOD test
+
+It's a FOOD test
+--- 57989981
+>>57989971
+Damnit Carlos
+--- 57990186
+>>57989878
+PDEs made me want to shoot myself in the head
+--- 57990190
+>>57978753
+Alright Chang let me set something straight with you. If you ever actually tried anything against the U.S. your worthless copy garbage would be destroyed in under a year, your citizens would starve, and all your retarded cope fantasies about us relying on you would vaporize before your eyes, not that you could see it with that squint. America does not NEED you, it USES you for cheap shit so I don't have to pay an extra $10 for my worthless garbage products. Even if God smiled upon the bug people for some reason and you did start to win? We would go out like the biggest tantrum babies you can imagine, you bet your ass we would nuke the SHIT out of you and anyone you're allied with. So shut the fuck up you pet eating, child squishing, escalator feeding, lathe dancing, sewer detonating, sinkhole stuffing, port exploding, smog inhaling, plague originating, powerline fondling subhuman living test dummy.
+--- 57990241
+>>57975655
+Pointless when AR glasses will take over within the next 10 years.
+--- 57990323
+>>57977557
+I see a bunch of brown people.
+--- 57990435
+>>57989778
+>Calc 1
+>Hard 
+Nigga I aced that shit my senior year of high school and went on to get a music degree, what the fuck are you doing? I thought STEM fags were supposed to be smart?
+--- 57990457
+That Chinese naval yard shitting out destroyers 7years ago was kino.
+--- 57990706
+>>57989609
+Stay mad cuck

k/57975388.txt

@@ -39,3 +39,85 @@ based
 --- 57979315
 >>57975388 (OP)
 lmao Cuckner is a joke
+--- 57981402
+Cool
+--- 57981435
+Why do Ukies talk in russian?
+--- 57982351
+>>57981435
+why dont austrialians speak austrian? so many questschns
+--- 57982438
+>>57981435
+because most of them speak Russian as a first or second language. They're only just turning towards learning Ukrainian en masse to distance themselves completely from mighty Puccia. Hell, Zelensky himself wasn't very good at Ukrainian before the war began.
+--- 57982451
+>>57981435
+Why do you talk English?
+--- 57982487
+>>57978750
+Based moderate
+--- 57982534
+>>57981435
+>russophone ukrainians want to be part of russia, we will liberate them!
+>*destroys russophone areas of ukraine*
+>*gets killed by russophone ukrainians*
+Yet another russian fail
+--- 57984611
+>>57981435
+Because they literally have no culture?
+--- 57984935
+>>57975388 (OP)
+Is there a 1080p version for download? I tried the youtube link on several different download websites and none of them worked.
+--- 57985009
+>>57981435
+They were Russian Ukrainians with warm fee fees towards Russia, but then Russia invaded.
+
+pretty much all of Kharkiv is like that.
+
+.t haver of orc tongue
+--- 57985364
+>>57975388 (OP)
+And there are still autists on /k/ trying to claim that Syria provided better footage than Ukraine
+--- 57985798
+>>57975388 (OP)
+Are da vinci wolves some sf or elite unit?
+They seem very good.
+--- 57985944
+>>57985798
+part of the only volunteer unit not integrated into army or nat.guards
+--- 57986043
+>>57985944
+Are they part of the TDF?
+--- 57986071
+>>57986043
+no
+https://militaryland.net/ukraine/armed-forces/67th-mechanized-brigade/da-vinci-wolves/
+--- 57986400
+>>57986071
+according to your link they are a part of the army
+--- 57987285
+>>57986400
+Ukrainian Volunteer Army is not regular army
+--- 57989295
+>>57982534
+>>57985009
+Russia has destroyed every advantage they held before the invasion
+
+>Ukr government of dubious legitimacy, installed by US Dept of State back in 2012
+>Significant ethnic Russian population, especially in the Eastern parts
+>a literal brother nation with a shared history and culture
+>Ukr is poor as shit and so is its military
+>already held Crimea
+They blew it. They blew it all. The population rallied behind the Kyiv government because of the invasion, the ethnic Russians would rather live in a poor and corrupt Ukraine than in an extremely poor and extremely corrupt Russia, and now half of the world is sending arms and training to beef up the Ukr military. And Crimea may yet be taken by Ukr because of all the above. Russia took all of their potential advantages vis the Ukrainian state, and chucked them all into the garbage.
+
+It's disturbing to see such a case of a country shooting itself in the foot. Or perhaps in the heart. We'll see.
+--- 57991016
+>>57989295
+>Ukr government of dubious legitimacy,
+Bullshit, they held fair elections in 2019 and 2014 (AFTER the former president ran)
+>installed by US Dept of State back in 2012
+Bullshit, the US had little influence in the country and actually tried to appease and be in Yanukovych's good side before he lost control of the mess (Remember Paul Manafort?)
+--- 57991432
+What is the pop sound right when they throw a grenade? Is this Tarkov or something?
+--- 57991449
+>>57991432
+It's the igniter fuse starting.

k/57976201.txt

@@ -123,3 +123,54 @@ The intense burning sensation and then the extremely localized 3rd degree sunbur
 --- 57980187
 >>57976201 (OP)
 They just found the Demon core under the Azom factory
+--- 57981273
+>>57979651
+kek
+--- 57981295
+>>57976863
+>radiation "sniper rifle"
+That's called a "gamma ray/xray laser" or "particle cannon" my dude. And sure those would absolutely fuck someone up!
+
+Turns out making them man portable is a bit tricky though.
+--- 57981878
+>>57977892
+Is the canister just a ratshot for cannons?
+--- 57984826
+>>57977892
+Now add the break-action repeater modification
+--- 57987855
+>>57984826
+--- 57987887
+I just want this
+--- 57987927
+>>57987855
+A+ Anon, it's beautful
+--- 57987939
+>>57976201 (OP)
+>Stupid Gun Ideas
+You know how a GAU-8 is eight barrels of 30mm, right? Well what happens if we make a GAU-8 GAU-8? So you make 7 barrels - which are all GAU-8's - in one gun. What do you put it on? I don't know. But it'd be fun to fire.
+--- 57987951
+>>57987939
+Fuck I meant seven barrels.
+--- 57988040
+>>57987939
+Sadly, I didn't have a good way to render 49 barrels spinning in two different ways to make your idea visible, so here's as far as I got.
+--- 57988059
+>>57988040
+Brilliant. Thank you. It is a simple dream, to push the boundaries of dakka as far as we can and then go one step more.
+--- 57989618
+>>57976201 (OP)
+idk about "firing" it as a boom boom un, but would probably be a great cancer ray emitter
+--- 57989779
+>>57976863
+I own a research reactor for home defense, since that's what the IAEA intended. Four fools break into my reactor control room. "What the devil?" As I grab my labcoat and radiation rifle. Blow a foot sized hole through the first man's central nervous system, he's dead in a month. Throw my radiation grenade at the second man, miss him entirely because it's area of effect weapon and irradiate the neighbors dog, cat, child, and possibly myself. I have to resort to the autoshotgun mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with depleted uranium flechettes, "3.6 Rontgen, lads!" the Uranium shreds two men in the blast, the dust and extra flechettes set off radiation alarms in all surrounding nuclear facilities and 500 miles downwind. Grab iodine-123 syringe and charge the last terrified fool. He Bleeds out waiting for the a suitable thyroid transplant to be found since radiation damage is impossible to stitch up. Just as the IAEA intended.
+--- 57989824
+>>57977892
+>Rock or something
+nice, got a kek
+--- 57989894
+>>57976201 (OP)
+It's beautiful
+--- 57990559
+>>57977055
+Right, sounds like it should be a breechloading artillery gun.

k/57976583.txt

@@ -59,14 +59,156 @@ your loss for missing out on the latest badger drop imo
 --- 57979498
 >>57978047
 PK for Lagoon and Weapons Grade Waifu for the FMP
---- 57979534
->>57976583 (OP)
 --- 57979601
 >>57979534
 Kys
---- 57979615
->>57979534
-based
 --- 57979720
 >>57979534
 Reminder that anyone posting fag shit is a false flagging janny agent and or /pol/troon
+--- 57980701
+>>57977252
+Baste
+--- 57981436
+>>57979720
+Nah the janny has actually been on it lately.
+--- 57981762
+Haven't been in patch threads in months. Staring at my Beshtiya knife. I miss the "better times".
+--- 57981809
+>https://www.kawaiioperator.com/product/galil-ar-thankie
+--- 57981845
+>>57976583 (OP)
+--- 57982103
+>>57981436
+Well then let me thank him for his services
+--- 57982208
+>>57981762
+It's time to build better times
+I'll make the logo
+--- 57983048
+>>57977756
+Right back at ya, fren.
+>>57977252
+>those old-school right wing patches
+unf honestly.
+--- 57983581
+>>57981845
+>Confederate flag
+>the real Mississippi flag
+>fuck communism
+>fuck snowflakes
+
+but also
+
+>thin blue line
+>fuck nazis
+>death metal
+>muh misanthropy
+
+The duality of man. You are both incredibly based and unfathomably cringe.
+--- 57983832
+>>57983129
+Where cop?
+--- 57984177
+First good patch thread in a long time
+--- 57984312
+>>57984177
+Digits confirm, this thread is based.
+--- 57984519
+Janny doing work today.
+--- 57984904
+>>57984177
+Agreed
+--- 57985115
+Sorry if this has been asked before, but has anyone heard from PK on that North Hollywood patch he and some other anons talked about a while back?
+--- 57985138
+>>57984177
+We are so fucking back
+--- 57985297
+Patch idea for Aho
+--- 57985345
+>>57976760
+what an embarrassing freak
+--- 57985641
+>>57985345
+Post your patches, bitchboy
+--- 57985883
+>>57985345
+>waaa stop posting actual patch images! Bring back my rainbow flags, pickle rick, and baby yeedles!
+Lick our collective taint, outsider.
+--- 57985952
+>>57981436
+Based janny
+
+>>57985115
+In the works, production delays are killing me.
+
+>>57977138
+You're scaring me anon
+--- 57986160
+>>57985952
+>In the works, production delays are killing me.
+No rush, bro. I've just been out of the loop for a while.
+You do great work.
+--- 57986220
+>>57986160
+Much appreciated homie.
+--- 57986747
+>>57986220
+>>57977138
+any chance of these unrionically any time soon?
+--- 57989047
+>>57983129
+those are awesome.
+--- 57989412
+>>57989340
+clean it up, janny!
+--- 57989484
+Does anyone remember what store sold this patch? I legit dont know where i got it
+--- 57989631
+>>57989484
+No idea, but I kinda want one, if for no other reason than nostalgia.
+--- 57989693
+>>57989484
+its was desuprint im pretty sure. They really should make more patches
+--- 57989706
+>>57984177
+oo the city expanded nice
+
+>>57985297
+I don't know about that one 
+
+>>57989412
+it's nice seeing meidos are actually paying attention to the thread now
+--- 57989717
+Thank you jannies for being based and destroying the spam faggot
+--- 57989724
+final-ish patch wall.
+I just dont have the patch bug anymore and that's probably because i do not have any more space.
+--- 57989751
+So do you guys actually wear you patches at the range or otherwise IRL? The way I see it patches aren't really for collecting unless they are historical. Instead patches are for IFF (Identification, friend or foe) or a dogwhisle. 
+
+ex. I know to avoid to the coworker with faggot SRA shit on his backpack but the guy with animu /k/ based and redpilled patches I can be frens with. Personally I hide my power level at work but I will absolutely pull up to the range in a milsurp jacket with hentai patches on
+--- 57989776
+>>57989751
+I put them on my cases and bags and a 5.11 hoodie i bought that has a velcro section.
+--- 57989913
+>>57989751
+mostly just on the patch board and bags sometimes
+--- 57990238
+>>57977756
+no krink Koanata oof you missing
+--- 57990266
+>>57989751
+Patch wall and for wearing on old army field jacket. I usually buy 3 of each patch for that plus a spare. Just in case.
+
+btw thanks to anon for the Texas 144.1. bought a few of the fudd patch tonight to annoy geriatric buffet eaters with.
+--- 57990302
+>>57985345
+Nigger faggot.
+--- 57990338
+>>57989724
+You can fit like 10 more on there bro
+--- 57991247
+Any patch makers watching this thread, enjoy the free idea.
+
+Sator square patch please.

k/57977384.txt

@@ -49,3 +49,106 @@ These guys could fuck even the US Army up if it wasn't for air support.
 >>57977801
 I meant inexperience in conventional warfare
 by the way, how does the ENL compare to the FARC? As far I know, FARC is no longer active
+--- 57980514
+a shitshow
+--- 57980581
+>>57980320
+>FARC is no longer active
+Thats what they tell to the media, but they still are at large, just "disbanded". They have done so well that no wonder now their current president used to be an ex-FARC member, they run by another name but still, its the same shit, and all due of drug money mostly, met a guy who was from Bucaramanga and told me the whole deal, those guys literally do as much as Namm OPs as conventional warfare, its simply nuts.
+Only thing they would be missing is they started bombing themselves, and considering how easy to produce drones these days is, I wouldn't be surprised for it to happen.
+--- 57981641
+>>57980157
+>muh CIA
+Why are you niggers like this? Which country has actually financed a guerrilla inside the country in the past?
+--- 57981956
+>>57981641
+>Mutt studied in a public school
+--- 57981973
+No country in the world now can fully conquest another without the use of nuclear weapons
+--- 57982279
+>>57981641
+Commies cannot stop coping and seething about their own self inflicted failures bringing down their tinpot governments and making them unpopular, they blame the CIA for everything because the most offensive thing possible to a commie is the premise that their own people got sick of their shit and supported a coup against their revolution without it being some grand conspiracy from the international bourgeoise capitalist imperialist boogeyman. 
+
+In reality the CIA did three things in latin america: trade snort, train some militias to machete the soviet and cuban trained militias, and paying for some propaganda pamphlets and newspapers.
+--- 57982294
+>>57977384 (OP)
+a giant refugee flood through central america
+--- 57983403
+>>57981641
+Brazillians have an inferiority complex to america, they constantly claim the US is globohomo trying to corrupt/invade brazil to cope with the fact that they are a literal niggertranny state
+--- 57983618
+>>57983403
+>tp
+--- 57983693
+I mean we already know what it looks like, it would be like the Chaco War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_War
+
+Basically Bolivia and Paraguay fought a 3 year war over some desert that might have held oil, they each lost 2-3% of their total population dead. 
+
+And they both recruited european advisor's who had no fucking idea how to actually fight a conventional war in a place that isn't as easy to fight as europe, so they just kept sending unsupported infantry assualts against machine guns. 
+
+South America is funny in that simultaneously the force density is really low, but the terrain that can actually be used for manuevers is also really small, so you get these abjectly brutal fights over insignificant areas.
+--- 57984920
+I think the terrain and the poor logistics of every South American country would prevent a widescale war. Brazil probably has the most force projection
+--- 57984928
+>>57977708
+>inexperience in warfare
+
+Nigger they been fighting cartels and communist guerrilas for over 50 years non stop.
+Stop giving opinions on things you don't know, nigger.
+--- 57984931
+>>57977384 (OP)
+
+test
+--- 57984942
+Well, the Bolivians are still pissed about Paraguay and Chile, so let's start there.
+--- 57984963
+>>57984942
+>me and the boys preparing to invade Ecuador
+--- 57985173
+>>57984942
+Like half of the Bolivian military's equipment is from WW1 and WW2.
+--- 57985231
+>>57984942
+>Mexico
+>How do I watch Dragon Ball
+kek
+--- 57985324
+>>57977384 (OP)
+The things is south America isn't a good place for conventional warfare, the rules of warfare that applies in Europe or the dessert change when there's no space for maneuvers and where concentration of forces can lead to a swift defeat by attrition.
+It has been shown in most conflict between nations in the south, skirmishes all over the place to control or overlook the few passages capable of moving large quantities of troops and material, sabotage of the enemies logistics and amphibious assaults.
+I recommend reading about the Pacific War, most crises in Peru and Colombia and the fall of the second and third republic of Venezuela.
+Its mind blowing how each faction that tried to follow European conventional warfare was crushed and anhilated by attrition and hit and run tactics.
+--- 57986174
+>>57978920
+>ASTROS III was releaved as LAAD 2023
+
+Neat.
+--- 57986635
+>>57982279
+Most of the job at removing commies were done by locals anyway, nowadays all there is left from the left are woke-wannabes who are as deluded as your green-haired non-binary redditor, mafias of "syndicalists" who literally know shit aside from stealing from government projects and caviars who have never ever managed any real economic task aside from collecting cash from NATO Chomskyfags and turn to capitalism once they get into a position of power.
+
+Want to remove commie guerrillas? Give your farmers "hechizas" (improvised guns) and ammo and explain them how to make "artesanias" (IEDs), use intel to track down the heads of the guerrilla and catch them ALIVE
+
+The farmers take care of the ranks and file without you risking your own troops in a press debacle (there is simply no way to spin it for the left when it's a bunch of poor brown farmers defending themselves against some wicked godless white intelligentsia gone mad), while you ensure the "great" leader is presented to the press as just another not-so-amerindian thug who was terrorizing the streets, selling drugs to kids and raping women and worst of all, spreading godlessness, make it clear they are anything but the class fighter redditors fantasize about.
+--- 57986801
+>>57985324
+A great deal of why we haven't had any major war is because in truth most of Latinoamerica are nepotistic mafias and paternalistic commonalities pretending to be nation-states, hence most of our interaction don't have an extreme ideological basis, we are more localists than nationalists, the nation is just a cultural tool for all these de-facto cartels to deal with other de-facto cartels in the region without coming to blows, also, most of the time people don't want to exploit resources, what they want is some foreign company to do all the heavy lifting and then tax them for a slice of the cake.
+
+When asked about ideology common people will just tell you they want to have a good job (doesn't matter if it's private or government), buy an apartment for rent and/or do some little business which would allow them to send the kids to university and get a new LCD, of course while an academic degree is very much welcome you also make sure to talk to some relative or friend so your kid already has a job no matter how good or bad he fares at the university, failing that you make the kid work for you.
+
+While this makes for a very corrupt, inefficient and low-quality society you ensure everyone is more or less occupied and no one feels too abandoned (this is the reason why we have such a low suicide rates despite life being so horrible in many ways, we are the ultimate shameless scoundrels).
+--- 57988060
+>>57986635
+>Want to remove commie guerrillas? Give your farmers "hechizas"
+didn't they do this in Peru?
+--- 57988894
+>>57984942
+>exceed Mach 10
+Belize has its priorities in order, obviously
+--- 57991082
+>>57977384 (OP)
+that depends on who against who
+if it's Chile vs Argentina, then it would be a mountain fighting hell
+if it's Venezuela vs colombia, it's basically Vietnam but the Vietcong (FARC) hates both sides
+if it's Brasil vs argentina,then I would believe it could be more conventional fighting + a lot more river crossing
+if it's pacific war 2 electric bogaloo, then imagine a smaller and shittier desert storm

k/57977563.txt

@@ -241,3 +241,369 @@ Mech engineer here. I'm all day drawing blueprint of agricultural and some minin
 >>57979652
 
 This. Hospital/medical management is where the real money bloat in healthcare is going if you want the real golden teat. I knew managers making what most GP doctors did and executives making them look poor with what they made.
+--- 57980523
+>>57980424
+Yeah, you make money off the misery of the sick and dying
+--- 57980542
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Untrained factory slave, Eurofag so I actually get paid something. Doesn't help that .308 costs twice what it goes for in the US though
+--- 57980594
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Software Engineer
+--- 57981131
+>>57980542
+>>57980250
+how mich they pay you ?
+I heard from my italian friend most euro city is chicago 2.0 + nafri but much worse
+--- 57981154
+I'm a scientist and live with my inlaws.
+--- 57981183
+Cargo pilot
+t. Just ordered another 2500 rounds of 7.62x39
+--- 57981206
+>>57977626
+how many women do you fuck per day?
+--- 57981247
+>>57977563 (OP)
+C-17 Loadmaster. Upside is per diem helps pay for the larping. Downside is I’m never home to actually use it.
+--- 57981252
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Software. Moved to a new company and made 330k last year, could finally buy all the stupid shit I've wanted.
+--- 57981279
+>>57979188
+you're a federal agent?
+--- 57981309
+>>57979019
+People suck. Only cop would be worse.
+--- 57981349
+I do security operations for a fintech 40 - 50 hours a week. I could have bought a home but instead I spend my money on guns n ammo. I'm obsessed with guns, their engineering and all things 3d printed. I live extremely minimally to maximize capital for guns.
+--- 57981495
+>>57977997
+>>57978244
+
+>>1896115
+https://sys.4channel.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1lxDKFTLO4x771l06T9y331XYhlc6TqYj-hfhl91iXXU%2Fedit
+
+Here’s the sticky and a link to the Maritime General thread on /n/ 
+Read the sticky though, it has all the info you’d need to start a maritime career as well as a company directory
+--- 57981508
+>>>1896115
+>>57981495
+I fucked up the hyperlink to the thread on /n/
+--- 57981871
+>>57981252
+Same but making 380k. It's unbelievable how much people don't realize how valuable their data is.
+--- 57981888
+I was honorably discharged from the Air force due to bipolar disorder. Collecting 60k in bux.
+--- 57981953
+>>57981888
+>make more than me for getting fired
+im sorry about your disorder fren i hope you are ok
+--- 57981981
+>>57981252
+>>57981871
+Whats it like working on software development anons? Is it worth it? Is it something a 21 zoomer (me) can do with no prior computer experience? Been doing labour work since 16, would like to do something else instead
+--- 57982003
+>>57978502
+Didnt read the second half but the medical industry is awash in retarded nigress nurses. Awash.
+--- 57982006
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Wrench at a local auto shop in the morning, certified forklift operator at a local lumber yard at night.
+
+Im still broke. When does it end?
+--- 57982079
+>>57978930
+>IT
+Do it. I only do ~4 hrs of work every day and i work remote. Pay isnt spectacular at 20/hr but its as close as i can get to NEET life.
+t. microsoft support engineer
+--- 57982170
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Groundworks
+
+>>57977626
+I used to be based and forkliftpilled once upon a time
+Keep fighting the good fight brother, truly a man amongst men
+--- 57982296
+SAT diver on norwegian oil platform. 6 months at jobb about 180 000 USD a year. because fuck russian oil
+--- 57982493
+>>57977563 (OP)
+>work miserable low paying job
+>own mosin, wasr, and hi point
+>keep telling myself it'll get better
+--- 57982549
+>>57977643
+>also work for aerospace company
+I'm only working 44 on my long weeks. 9/80s and all that.
+--- 57982553
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I make porn with my Asian GF
+--- 57982640
+>>57981888
+Based made up bitchfit abuser.
+--- 57982692
+I am a flight instructor
+--- 57982709
+>make 21/hr
+>live at home
+
+shrimple as that
+--- 57982710
+>>57977563 (OP)
+>everyone ITT having decent jobs
+I wonder if that's because only people who have interesting enough jobs to mention are posting, or if most of the poors have been priced out of guns.
+--- 57982720
+>>57977563 (OP)
+guns are not a hobby.
+--- 57982772
+>>57982720
+>t. no guns
+--- 57982778
+>>57979334
+this
+traitors gets the rope
+--- 57982806
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Mechanical engineer
+--- 57982814
+>>57982720
+lol ok
+--- 57982832
+>>57977813
+Are the guy from /n/'s /mg/?? I was the offshore anon who went shoreside. Neat to see you if its you.
+--- 57982968
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I've just done a lot of crime. Barely employed
+--- 57982986
+>>57981183
+fucking hell, "grey man" larpers are so fucking cringe. they stick out like a sore thumb where ever they go. most embarassing shit ever
+>i blend in to every enviroment by wearing clothes no one else does and acting suspicious in everything i do
+--- 57982994
+>>57981206
+as many as he wants
+--- 57983020
+>>57982553
+are you white?
+--- 57983078
+I'm an engineer who works for a company that went full remote during the pandemic. We got bought out last year by some company full business grade coke addicts who are dumb as bag of rocks. Been working 5 - 10 hours a week ever since.
+--- 57983477
+>all these engineers 
+Wew
+--- 57983532
+>>57977563 (OP)
+SWE, but I can't really afford to indulge it all the time.
+--- 57983571
+>>57977643
+>Work for a pretty large ammo company.
+>Higher up.
+>Can still buy 1000rds of .223 for about 180.
+>Work 3-4 days during the week itself.
+>Flying out every weekend for some sort of show, event, business meeting.
+>Been home for one weekend out of the start of the year.
+>Purchasing firearms all the time while out of state on Gunbroker because I get bored.
+>Sitting on a metric fuckton of ammo.
+>Never have a chance to shoot.
+>Never have a chance to go out.
+
+Everyone always thinks the job is cool, but its like some sort of sick joke.
+--- 57983590
+You're given projects where you understand about 20% of what needs to be done in the outset and then you have to just figure it out.
+--- 57983611
+>>57983571
+If it's profitable then it's good. You're not going to leave to pump septic tanks in Section 8 trailer parks any time soon, are you?
+--- 57983650
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Wildland Fire is my main gig. Give me enough downtime in the fall/winter to hunt & plink.
+--- 57983691
+>>57983611
+Absolutely not. 
+But being able to see neat shit all the time and being able to buy said neat shit but no time to actually enjoy it is a fucking cocktease I'll never get over.
+--- 57983745
+>>57977563 (OP)
+>what do people who can afford this hobby do for a living?
+am LEOfag and also work part time at LGS. Overall I make a decent-ish living but it's my excellent credit that helps me afford most of my funs.
+--- 57983764
+Youtube shills with 7 different sponsors, patreons, utreons, uteruses and onlyfans.
+--- 57984578
+>>57980027
+any fun stories?
+--- 57984793
+>>57979959
+I work when there's problems to be solved, which is very much not up to me.
+In total I have a lot more free time than most people, but I have busier peirods too. It feels similar to creative work, in that at the most it becomes my whole life, living in airports and hotels and being on 24/7.
+
+On paper I only make a 5 figure salary, but a lot of my compensation comes through bonuses and perks. The year I was doing corporate espionage type stuff I made a quarter mil on my bonus.
+
+For getting into this kind of thing I cant say much. It's not exactly an industry.
+The way I got hired was by already doing it. I scouted a place, managed to get lunch with the main guy, and then explained to him what all his problems were and how I could fix them. He hired me, I followed through, and I've been on the payroll since.
+--- 57984877
+hot creampie injector
+--- 57985187
+>>57980523
+
+Half the reason I got out of the industry. That entire side going hand-in-hand with the pharmaceutical and insurance groups legit is disgusting, massive leeches for the most case.
+--- 57985380
+>>57978468
+What kind of skills do I need to get that job? I might use the GI bill part time until I get a career change but can't stop working since I have to feed a little one
+--- 57985723
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Delivery drone, but I handload and penny pinch.
+>>57982710
+ Well, I'm one of them.
+--- 57986066
+Affording it is the first step, second is having enough time to participate. The second step is harder than the first.
+--- 57986134
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I worked for some major financial institutions in my country, now I handle the entire branch in charge of digitizing and storing key financial documents. I have 120 people under me, and I make roughly 8k€/month after tax in my yuro shithole.
+
+I started acquiring guns when I made 3k€, though I really was on a tight budget at the time, guns are way more expensive than in the US, plus 200€ for the yearly licence and plenty extras here and there, but it was doable.
+--- 57986246
+>>57982832
+I am indeed the tugfag, lol
+How’s shoreside life?
+--- 57986305
+>>57979543
+My man, did you need any certs for your job? I work cloud support at aws and I've been trying to get to the sec side
+--- 57986310
+IT goon at IT consultancy firm/VAR.
+
+You know that thing you're passionate about? Whatever it is you love? Don't make it your profession. You will hate it.
+--- 57986343
+>>57982079
+What certs do you need to get in on that?
+To be frank as a driver I was doing 33.75 per hour, but if I could work remote and maybe have more time to return to school, honestly I'll fucking take it
+--- 57986443
+>>57979334
+>>57982778
+>wahhhh he post guns and patches on da weapons board wahhhhh fbi kill him!!!!!!!!
+unironically kys
+luv me cuntry'
+luv me guns'
+ate xoxols'
+ate tourists'
+--- 57986504
+>>57986305
+>Cloud support
+Truck driver anon here, how easy is this to get in on?
+Presumably you need AWS' own brand of certs for this?
+--- 57986669
+>>57984793
+Thats pretty cool anon.
+--- 57986888
+>>57986305
+background in networking is almost a must. For competence. But that seems rarely required for sec guys these days, mostly just paranoia towards the people actually building and running your effing infrastructure.
+
+>>57986504
+>>57986343
+Low level cloud stuff is hard to get into since that stuff is outsourced. Your best bet is house IT somewhere and branch into it. Expect munimum wage and depending on your boss, to be treated as a slave.
+
+Experience and knowledge trump certs, but certs help you get passed the HR filter. If you can whiteboard stuff thats great.
+--- 57987266
+Construction Project Manager/Superintendent building multi-million dollar houses. It's cool cause I like building and working on crazy shit people ask us to put in their houses as well as refining how we build and always learning about new materials/products/tools. The stress will drive you to an early grave though but pays extremely well especially come bonus time. I also hardly spend money on gas or put wear and tear on my personal truck since I have a company truck. But yeah ultimately the job is being an extremely well paid tard wrangler and scheduler that occasionally has to get hands on.
+--- 57987448
+>>57982170
+Fuck Groundworks and their founder.
+
+They purchased Foundation Systems of Michigan a couple years back. I jumped ship as soon as that pudgy fucker took over. 
+
+I don't envy you, but the pay is good.
+--- 57987477
+>>57981131
+>chicago 2.0
+Hell no, no city in europe is as bad as chicago. We're getting there tho.
+--- 57987788
+Software sales. It's boring as shit but I WFH and have a ton of flexibility with my schedule.
+--- 57988349
+Cyber Security Manager, existence is pain but the money is good.
+--- 57988362
+>>57988349
+We all hate you.
+
+.t rest of infra team
+--- 57988374
+>>57988362
+I know, we hate you so..so much more.
+Please figure out how to fucking patch. If you're a cable jockey stop using default snmp strings and get all your shit in cisco-ise with MFA.
+--- 57988785
+>>57982710
+I repair and deliver furniture, I also do warehouse stuff. I only make $65k a year but I live in the middle of nowhere in a flyover state so it goes a long way. Comfiest </=40hrs a week I've ever worked in my life. Thank God I got that bachelors degree!
+--- 57988800
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I drive a propane bulk truck
+--- 57988923
+>>57986504
+To be honest man I've got a bachelor's and a sec+, but they didn't care about the cert. They do want me to pick up the solutions architect associate for them though
+--- 57988948
+>>57983477
+I mean, it's 4chan.
+--- 57988966
+I sell mobile devices and service and shit for a retailer partnered with a major US cell carrier
+Mostly just showing 90 year olds how to turn their brightness up but it pays the bills and buys bullets
+--- 57988998
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Wagie poorfag, my only saving grace is that outside of rent I have very few expenses since I have very few hobbies and never socialize, plus 7.62x39 is still relatively cheap around here
+--- 57989006
+>>57988998
+hang in there fren, it'll be ok
+--- 57989013
+I’m a design engineer for a major firearms company.
+--- 57989130
+>>57986443
+Vatnik shills get the rope
+--- 57989160
+>>57977813
+My grandfather was a meteorologist with NOAA after he left the Navy. Said he was on some polar expeditions and that global warming was a scam
+--- 57989234
+>>57989013
+>I’m a design engineer for a major firearms company.
+Make a modern top break .357 revolver please, I will give your company money.
+--- 57989294
+>>57989130
+your guns & nods, post them.
+>inb4 turk/poorshit
+--- 57989313
+>>57989234
+More of a military contract company than civilian market. If you went to a 3rd world contract and convinced their government to adopt one then we’d could be business partners
+--- 57989353
+>27
+>oilfield
+>automation & controls
+>Maintenance manager for a frac comapny.
+Learn some niche shit and work your way into a spot that people NEED you. Stop being fucking lazy.
+--- 57989355
+>>57988998
+This was me for over 10 years, I now own a nice house but still drive my rusty poorfag toyota and regularly eat spam because my brain is hard wired to poverty mode despite the fact im fine and have 2 years of pay saved. When you make it anon, and one day you will, don't carelessly blow your money and don't be me, just try be happy and secure.
+--- 57989726
+>>57989355
+Living below your means is way better than being the average american where everything is rented or owned by the bank.
+--- 57989740
+>>57989353
+okay redditor
+--- 57989748
+>>57989740
+Ok fellow autismo. Is that all? kek
+--- 57989783
+>>57989355
+Better to have a poorfag mindset with good pay than have a richfag mindset with shit pay.
+--- 57989864
+>>57978502
+>also their kids are sick with diseases that should have been wiped out 200 years ago because surprise surprise they don't want Gates turning them into trannies so no vaccines for them either, please save them from measles or polio or whatever horrid shit they've allowed their spawn to suffer through because their parents should have been sterilized before they had a chance to have them
+I've seen 10x the no vax kids come in from upper middle class left-wing families with their mothers talking about how they just don't understand why little Marley is sick, after all they've been vegan for years and the family iridologist said he was healthy.
+--- 57989924
+>>57986888
+Just my two cents, but CCNA is the best bang for buck cert ever. I went from help desk to making $75k as a consultant with it.
+--- 57989943
+>>57977563 (OP)
+Psychiatrist
+--- 57989945
+>>57988374
+no 
+security is gay and hackers are just a government lie to hide the fact they're spying on us.
+--- 57990034
+>>57977563 (OP)
+i play with ur meat
+--- 57990054
+>>57977563 (OP)
+I work at Chuck's Suck N' Fuck.
+--- 57990708
+>>57989945
+this, unironically. friend has a multi-million(10+) company working with gubmint contracts and their firewalls get a few dozen attempts per day, 70-80 percent from uge chyna, rest from domestic US. my suspicion is that uncle spendy is trying to do damage control and internally roster what info has been leaked by breaking into the systems themselves so they can verify what is and what isnt a known unknown.

k/57978151.txt

@@ -158,3 +158,529 @@ Aside from the obvious reason picrel too
 On a personal note, I support the Ba'athist loyalists militias who fought against the invasion, aside from the few that joined pisslamists the majority were nationalists and still secular, they were effective in their insurgency. They were essentially freedom fighters and they costed the invaders plenty. 
 >>57980165
 My hearts breaks a thousand times for every victim of colonialism and imperialism, from Africa, to the Americas, to some places in Europe, to MENA, to east Asia.
+--- 57980960
+>>57980165
+Iran looked good too before
+--- 57981111
+>>57980110
+I would make fun on the most experienced army comments but sadly everyone else sucked so bad at the time that Iraq genuinely was one of the strongest militaries in the world is insane.
+--- 57981165
+>>57981111
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakalna_ala_Allah_Operations
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dezful
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nasr
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_al-Faw
+>Helicopters landed Iraqi commandos behind Iranian lines on al-Faw while the main Iraqi force made a frontal assault. Within 48 hours, all of the Iranian forces had been killed or cleared from the al-Faw Peninsula.[114]
+>Prior to the attack, the Iraqi soldiers gave themselves poison gas antidotes to shield themselves from the effect of the saturation of gas. The heavy and well executed use of chemical weapons was the decisive factor in the victory.[205]
+>Ra'ad al-Hamdani later recounted that the recapture of al-Faw marked "the highest point of experience and expertise that the Iraqi Army reached."[206]
+Nothing "insane" about it. I genuinely doubt anyone could've taken us down other than the U.S. and the USSR after the eight years war with Iran, and that's due to their virtually endless resources and manpower.
+--- 57981461
+>>57978242
+>Invade Iraq to kick the shit out of that fuck Saddam
+>Lmao just leave him in power
+We should've kicked his ass the first time. It would've been easier to justify in the 90s.
+--- 57981624
+>>57981165
+>the USSR
+I think yall could've handled them, a good part of the reason we curb stomped you twice was our god-tier logistics they couldn't match
+--- 57981632
+>>57981461
+Been saying this for years and I wasn't even a concept during the '91 invasion, dealing with Saddam in the '90s probably would've been best for everyone involved
+--- 57982409
+>>57978151 (OP)
+enslave them to mine the sands, slavery worked wonders on the chinks & nips
+--- 57982431
+>>57978445
+several good points, anon
+--- 57982621
+>>57980165
+Shouldn't have acted up and choose to fight against western interests. Hell Gaddafi funded and armed terrorists for decades before the west had enough of his shit.
+--- 57982627
+>>57978151 (OP)
+Just don’t
+Iraq is a fake country to begin with, drawn up by the British and French with arbitrary lines in the sand
+Split it up and give it’s neighbors the ethnically respective piece of the pie, also create Kurdistan in the process and ISIS is no more
+--- 57982954
+>>57982621
+You mean like USA has funded and armed terrorists for decades?
+--- 57983049
+>>57981461
+No. We were there to liberate Kuwait, nothing more. Bush 1 understood this and played it perfectly
+--- 57983207
+Immediately take full administrative control of the Iraqi government. Purge all inadequate/nepotistic/ obviously corrupt elements and dissolve the entire internal security apparatus. Demob the entire top echelon of the Iraqi Army officer corps down to the rank of leftenant.
+Institute merit based NCO and officer selection and retraining in American style delegated authority.
+All units are attached as sepoy battalions to existing US units and given over to senior US NCOs for day to day restructuring
+Mandatory literacy and ethics training, a pay raise and additional perks for enlisted Iraqis only until they reach the relative level of US troops, and regular KPI assessments carried out strictly by American military officers
+Utterly destroy the Arab military culture and place the soldiers under American command. Teach them hygiene, proper behavior, ethics, skills, and fill their bellies. And run the worthless ones out without a second thought.
+Maybe public floggings for really bad officers
+I would estimate 12-18 mos to get that done after 2003
+--- 57983276
+>>57980128
+I had an epiphany just then, this is like the closest we got to the medieval era middle eastern civilisations
+--- 57983322
+>>57983207
+Wrong. You fix it by resettling those US NCOs in Iraq. No 12-18 month bullshit it's full cultural integration and synthesis. Give them houses to live in, money to support a local wife and kids.
+--- 57983468
+>>57983322
+Well yeah that would be a part of the process, I'm talking no I depend Iraqi Army at all, only native battalions overseen by US command, and no cultural integration. Cultural replacement full stop.
+The French and British made excellent soldiers out of their natives, by forcing them to confirm to French and British standards, and you'd have to do the same to the Iraqis
+--- 57985112
+>>57981165
+I'm aware of Iraq's victories. The main point I have is that a nation that doesn't have as much going for it as almost all of the west could 1v1 pretty much everyone that isn't the US. It's laughable how shit other nations militaries are.
+Also since the stomp in the gulf war where essentially the entire world ganged up on Iraq everyone seems to think they sucked when they kept up a heavy resistance in cities baffles me. Then 03 is a completely different mess where they "gave up" then proceeded to wage a guerilla war for over a decade effectively.
+--- 57985801
+>>57982627
+>this nigga doesn't know that the British wanted to annex Iraq but were forced to recognize because nationalist BVLLs raped them in the revolt
+Iraq is the only real country in MENA aside from few exceptions, because we fought for our independence and most of its borders aside from the southern one was drawn by Iraqis through decades of struggle + having the oldest continued history in the world.
+>>57985112
+I might've misunderstood, yeah I don't disagree with most of this.
+--- 57986318
+>>57981461
+>>57981632
+btw less than 200k Iraqis were stationed in kekwait and while the 35 coalition countries obliterated these mostly fresh recruits in conventional warfare, the elite veteran units were still stationed in Iraq.
+Now imagine if you took over the country and toppled Saddam, good luck dealing with the insurgency that would spawn without a whole decade of the worst sanctions in human history, constant aerial bombardment and all the "intricate" planning you like to do so much.
+Every Iraqi would be fighting tooth and nail against you.
+--- 57987806
+>>57985801
+>Iraq is the only real country in MENA
+Which is why it went to war with Iran, since Persians are actually real people had had the closest functional state around.
+Arabs hate other people's success to unreal levels
+>>57985112
+Iraq had the only professional standing army ion the region, and that's a testament to Saddam's skill as a soldier and a leader but ultimately is fell prey to the eventual end of all despots- top-down micromanagement instead of delegation and lack of honest good information from the ground.Iraq's army rotted from the inside out
+--- 57987846
+Oh Christ, it's the sandnigger apologists Saddam was retarded and got what was coming to him
+--- 57987867
+>>57987806
+>Which is why it went to war with Iran, since Persians are actually real people had had the closest functional state around.
+KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
+Iran went from a feudal western puppet where the 90% are treated like dirt to a theocratic shithole terrorist state.
+We went to war because we had to, Iraq was the first country to send Iran diplomats after the revolution, do you know what we got for it in return? hundreds of border violations, failed assassination attempt on our vice PM, publicly calling for the overthrow of our "infidel" secular government and a broken treaty.
+--- 57987897
+>>57978151 (OP)
+Break Iraq into 2 states that empower the Shi’a and Kurds, round up the Sunni and send them to concentration camps. Gas the Turks and Sauds if they so much as look at us funny. Keep a garrison in Kurdistan as a permanent springboard into Syria, Turkey, and Iran.
+
+Basically what ended up happening, but I cut out 20 years of bullshit to figure this out. It’s why the state dept doesn’t hire me. I would cost those make-work parasites their cushy jobs.
+--- 57987956
+>>57987846
+>sand
+Your cunt is 30% desert mine is 40%
+>nigger
+you have more black peepo than we do, and there is nothing wrong with that.
+>apologists 
+*apologist
+>Saddam was retarded 
+Nah.
+>and got what was coming to him
+True for wanting the best for his people and not bending the knee like everyone else in a short lived unipolar world.
+t. Christian anti-Ba'athist anti-arapissim Iraqi living in Iraq
+--- 57987973
+>>57987956
+My country destroyed yours in less than a month
+--- 57987983
+>>57987973
+Is that why you had more casualties 3 years than the entire 20 years in Afghanistan?
+--- 57987990
+>>57985801
+British Petroleum maintains its control of the Rumaila oilfields to this day. The delusions of short, swarthy men will never stop being funny.
+--- 57987991
+>>57987983
+It's why I'm laughing at you. Saddam had it comin'
+--- 57988027
+>>57987983
+This is the cope now? There are still American bases and troops in Iraq. The USA won. Iraq is an American-aligned state.
+>>57987990
+>looked it up
+https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/what-we-do/bp-worldwide/bp-in-iraq.html
+>With bp’s guidance, the operation has made substantial progress under ROO’s stewardship: over 5 billion barrels of oil has been produced since 2010. Production has increased 40%, rising at its peak to over 1.5 million barrels per day, so that Rumaila now delivers around a third of Iraq’s oil.
+Oh no no no…!
+--- 57988038
+>>57987990
+>in 1959 Qasim passed law No. 80 which seized 99% of Iraqi land from the British-owned Iraq Petroleum Company, and distributed farms to more of the population.[15] 
+lol
+>>57987991
+I accept your concession
+>>57988027
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2007%E2%80%932011)
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2020%E2%80%932021)
+--- 57988117
+>>57988027
+>>57987990
+arab bvlls…. It’s over…
+https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/why-u-s-forces-remain-in-iraq-20-years-after-shock-and-awe
+>roughly 2,500 troops deployed to Iraq live on joint bases with Iraqi troops, where they provide training and equipment. That troop total, however, fluctuates a bit, and the Pentagon does not reveal the number of U.S. special operations forces that routinely move in and out of the country to assist Iraqi forces or travel into Syria for counterterrorism operations.
+BP in Rumaila, Americans in Baghdad… not like this….
+--- 57988194
+>>57988117
+>amerisirs have +100k troops stationed in the gulf
+>2k stationed in Iraq that work as jannies while the whole country is controlled by militias who use their two remaining bases as target practice
+It's so over bros hold me...
+>BP in Rumaila
+You mean the place where they had no access to for the past century almost? and now after the US spent 3 trillion dollars they can finally work there in advisory positions? They can't keep winning like this...
+--- 57988212
+>>57979857
+>was legitimately responsible for gross crimes against humanity with a death toll ranging well into the hundreds of thousands
+kek somebody tell him
+--- 57988290
+>>57988212
+It is no use.
+--- 57988306
+>>57988117
+You are delusional if you consider the long term occupation of Iraq a victory.
+--- 57988315
+>>57988306
+people are cucked beyond belief bro especially some vets and their families
+--- 57988346
+>>57987846
+>>57987956
+>>57987973
+>>57987983
+>>57988027
+>>57988038
+>>57988117
+>>57988194
+I think the following points are unquestionably true
+
+>Saddam was an incompetent retard who destroyed his country by constantly starting wars with neighbors and being inept at diplomacy
+>Baathism as an ideology made the Iraqi state and society extremely brittle, because it essentially destroyed the private sector, civil society, and pretty much every other institution outside of the party, while creating deep division and resentment within society
+>the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 and oust Saddam was a mistake, one with devastating consequences for all involved
+>the post-war reconstruction Iraq was horrifically bungled, due to the arrogance, incompetence, and blind ideological zeal of early 2000s neocons
+>for all of America's faults, the US forces in Iraq were still better than the coalition of Saddam supporters, Al Qaeda, and organized crime that formed the bulk of the Iraqi insurgency, and it's a good thing that the US was able to defeat AQI during the Surge period (2007-2011) and defeat ISIS during the 2014-2017 conflict
+>America should never, under any circumstances, embark in another war like the Iraq War
+>Iraq should never, under any circumstances, support a leader like either Saddam, Al-Baghdadi, or Al-Maliki
+>Daesh should all be killed
+>nobody came out of the Iraq War looking like a winner, except maybe Iran
+--- 57988451
+>>57980165
+america is just the decaying rotted out golem of israel and the jews. why people fall for the "we need democracy and central banks in every country or else" line is beyond me. the middle east was doing alright before israel through the use of america began destabilizing the region even further than it was already.
+--- 57988484
+>>57988346
+>All the wars were necessary and initiated by the shitty neighbors first (refer to >>57987867)
+>Ba'athism sucks because of its ideological implications (mainly pan arabism) AND NOT policy, socialist Iraq was great (refer to >>57980110 >>57980128)
+>it was a deliberate mistake as the U.S. knowingly lied and fabricated evidence
+>God bless the local freedom fighters who made +90% of the insurgency. Fuck multinational terrorists like Al-Qaeda who the U.S. let in to the country in the first place
+>Iraqis defeated ISIS as were all the boot on the ground soldiers. ISIS was fostered by the U.S. actions. ISIS was able to take a third of Iraq due to the U.S. incompetence, including foolish decision making and shitty nation-building.
+>America should never, under any circumstances, embark in another war like the Iraq War
+>American should never, under any circumstances, overthrow a populist secular government and install corrupt sectarian ex-terrorists in its place and lay the groundwork for multinational terrorist organizations to grow there.
+>Daesh and every other American imperialist creation in Iraq should all be killed
+>Americans should stop sucking up to their government and their shitty actions while being apologist cucks for it 2 decades later when they also got fucked by it
+ftfy
+--- 57988531
+>>57988484
+To be honest, as long as you agree that Daesh are bad and should be killed, I don't care what else you think. For America, that's pretty much all we care about now.
+--- 57988575
+>>57988346
+>Baathism as an ideology
+Imma stop you right there, Ba'athism was a great idea in the beggining and Arab unity was legit, esp since Islam had fractured and the fundies were running wild at the same time the region was trying to move into modern times. Ba'athists embraced secular goverance and modernity while still appealing to that old-time religion and family values, all in a Pan-Arab context that made a hell of a lot of sense after 1947.
+It was the deadly double whammy of Soviet infestation setting the worms of jealousy and tribal strife into action and the CIA destabilizing any Arab state that looked like it was going to put its head above the parapet and declare for humanism, rationalism, and progress. That turned it into pure cancerand by the time Saddam got into it Ba'athism was unrecognizable.
+But it was a good idea in the beggining
+>t. not zombie Nasser
+>t. also not zombie TE Lawrence
+--- 57988595
+>>57988531
+>as long as you agree that Daesh are bad and should be killed
+That's 100% of Iraqis before the invasion and 95% of Iraqis after the invasion. Terrorists don't inconvenience western capitalist interests as much as strong socialist countries do. In fact western powers often install fanatical fascists with their imperialist interventions in the third world (Chile, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo, Burkina Faso, Afghanistan, etc etc) because they're good for business.
+https://youtu.be/Pu08C1IEoX0 [Embed]
+>>57988575
+kys
+t. Christian Iraqi living in Iraq
+--- 57988606
+>>57988575
+I think the core problem with Arab socialism in general is that instead of convincing the rest of the country to go along with it, you have the ruling party just threatening everyone else at gunpoint.
+
+Arab culture is based around clan, religion and personal relationships not the state, so you inevitably have to use horrific force to keep everybody in line. Especially if you're a secularist trying to violently repress religion. 
+
+This is why Algeria and Somalia disintegrated in the early 90s whereas traditionalist, relatively inclusive states like Jordan and Morocco weathered the storm of Islamism. You simply can't hold society together at the point of a gun forever.
+--- 57988741
+>>57988038
+Saddam sucked. His death was deserved
+--- 57988775
+>>57988741
+No you're just being mad :/
+--- 57988816
+>>57988775
+This is somehow lower than tankie tier
+--- 57988834
+>>57988595
+>t. Christian Iraqi living in Iraq
+nobody likes you. can't you get the memo and fuck off to run a sandwhcih shop in Turkiye or whatever
+--- 57988858
+>>57988834
+>t. MENA diasporat
+kys
+--- 57988873
+>>57978151 (OP)
+Leave Saddam alone as a counter to Iran. We knew they had no WMD's and it was a made up lie so there was no reason to bother in the first place.
+Iran stops being a problem if we stop caring about Israel. Probably should have left their 1950's democracy alone instead of installing dictator shah just because he promised to not be neutral in the cold war and side with us in it.
+In fact allot of problems are solved by leaving them the fuck alone.
+--- 57988878
+I like how this "Iran proxy" lets the US run military bases there.
+--- 57988900
+I'll just leave this here
+--- 57988914
+>>57988878
+>quotation marks
+quite funny how oblivious some people are
+>>57988900
+gottem
+--- 57988954
+>>57981461
+yeah it's much better now being a springboard for ISIS to attack the entire world sure is a good thing we got rid of Golden AK man
+
+lmao. this is how Americans cope with a failed invasion.
+--- 57988979
+>>57988914
+Well the US didn't flood those shitholes with T72's.
+I dont think the US supplied Iran after its revolution and Iran just used the leftover aid from the shah's era. Iran wasn't exactly friendly to the USSR but 3rd faction always get ganged up on by the 2.
+--- 57988993
+>>57988979
+>he doesn't know
+--- 57988997
+>>57988954
+>yeah it's much better now being a springboard for ISIS to attack the entire world sure is a good thing we got rid of Golden AK man
+We should just close the fucking borders then you know? Instead of invading more of them?
+--- 57989015
+>>57988997
+we should just nuke them
+--- 57989018
+>>57988993
+Source?
+--- 57989063
+>>57988993
+Wtf is Frances problem?
+>China and north Korea on the US side
+Kek
+Also Israel didn't provide shit you know know dam well thats all US aid
+--- 57989064
+>>57989018
+Pierre Razoux
+--- 57989105
+>>57988954
+isis didnt fucking exist yet you mongloid
+--- 57989146
+>>57989105
+Exactly, you dipshits created it just like al Qaeda.
+--- 57989280
+>>57989105
+>>57989146
+ACKTUALLY IS was founded in 1998 as an anti-Saddam resistance group.
+
+The groups that would become the Iraqi insurgency began in the mid to late 90s after Saddam began loosening the rules on secularism and then lost control of the underground Islamist movements that resulted.
+--- 57989309
+>>57989280
+>this nigga thinks he can make shit up and get away with it while there is an Iraqi living in Iraq ITT
+Sad!
+--- 57989324
+>>57989309
+No one cares what you say
+--- 57989326
+>>57989309
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Campaign
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Islamic_State
+
+No offense, my friend, but you sound like a zoomer. I don't think you remember any of these events from memory, and the version you've been told bears little resemblance to what actually happened.
+
+As far as I can tell, the Iraqis have just memory holed all of the embarrassing parts of the last 20 years, which makes sense, given that it's an honor based culture and the last 20 years were one big embarrassment for everyone involved.
+--- 57989337
+>>57989309
+fix your country bro and say thank you to America for all the help you got between 2003 - 2022
+
+I SAW GWOT
+
+YOU SAY THANK YOU
+--- 57989369
+>>57989324
+>>57989337
+Yeah they care for yours, chud.
+>>57989326
+>Faith Campaign 
+Arguably the worst thing the Ba'athists did, albeit 100% justifiable considering the climate at the time and is overly exaggerated in western sources.
+Has literally nothing to do with MEMESIS.
+>zoomer
+I'm well versed on my country's ancient and modern history as I have demonstrated ITT
+This quote was from 2015 btw when Ba'athist loyalists were fighting against ISIS >>57988595
+--- 57989381
+>>57989369
+Brownoid pride fags are funny
+--- 57989422
+>>57989369
+>The history of the Islamic State began with the group's foundation in 1999 by Jordanian Salafi jihadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi under the name Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād (transl."The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad").[1]
+>In a letter published by the Coalition in February 2004, Zarqawi wrote that jihadis should use bombings to start an open sectarian war
+>Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces, al-Zarqawi and Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad achieved notoriety in the early stages of the Iraqi insurgency for their suicide attacks on Shia mosques, civilians, Iraqi government institutions and Italian soldiers of the US-led 'Multi-National Force'.
+
+To be blunt, the idea that daesh had nothing to do with the Iraqi insurgents isn't true. The US was fighting against daesh from the very beginning. The US spent thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in between 2005 and 2011 for the sole purpose of removing daesh as a major factor in Iraqi politics.
+
+Then Al-Maliki kicked us out and daesh took over half of the country again, because Al-Maliki's government was too corrupt and incompetent to contain them. It makes sense that the powers that be would seek to blame that failure on somebody else, given that the same pro-Iranian Shiite politicians that caused it are still in power today.
+--- 57989473
+>>57988595
+Jesse, we have to gas the kurds
+--- 57989552
+>>57989422
+Guess who did the bombings that started the sectarian war? Non-Iraqis. Guess how they did it? The 2003 invasion. +90% of the insurgency was local and mostly made of Ba'athist loyalists and more moderate Islamic groups like Sufis being the majority. Most of those "insurgents" fought ISIS when their intentions became clear of killing other Iraqis and installing meme caliphate and sharia law. Do you want me to send you Iraqi Sunni insurgent songs praising Shias for their resistance against the invasion? Or do you want me bring up the fact that Iraqi Sunnis and Shias were fighting the invasion together (Fallujah) before the sectarian conflict was ignited by foreign salafi pisslamists? 
+:/
+Al-Maliki is your loyal dog that you installed who blocked the shoe off of bush, he just switched masters. You were never a force for good, only death and destruction. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that, then you would actually be doing good for once.
+>>57989473
+The Kurds were on our side. Only armed separatists got ACK'd.
+--- 57989601
+>>57989552
+>hey, we intentionally destabilized our country and crippled the military and police
+>WTF WHY ARE TERRORISTS HERE HOW ARE THEY TAKING OVER EVERYTHING
+
+I have to say, this line of reasoning doesn't add up. The US was planning on leaving in 2004 after an eighteen month occupation. The only reason US troops even stayed in the country after that point is because the US was afraid that a civil war would break out if we left before defeating the insurgents. Literally the entire reason AQI and ISI happened is because the insurgents deliberately destabilized the country and created a wider sectarian conflict between Sunni and Shia. As dumb as the US was, literally every single death after April 2003 was directly caused by the insurgents and not us.
+
+I remember reading that in Arab culture, it was common to blame any failures or mistakes on outsiders, and this seems to be one such case.
+--- 57989637
+>>57989601
+>COPIUMS MAXIMUS
+Pretty sure any sane person reading this thread will realize that I'm right by now and laugh at your poor apologia. I'm not even an Arab btw
+--- 57989656
+>>57989637
+>invade country
+>everybody starts killing each other
+>you actively try to stop them from killing each other, they kill your people in an effort to keep doing it
+
+Is this the fault of you for invading the country or the people killing each other for killing each other?
+
+I would have to argue that it's both.
+--- 57989661
+>>57989656
+refer to >>57989369 >>57989552
+--- 57989671
+>>57978445
+
+none of this would have worked, Saddam was a symptom, not the cause of sectarian division, you can only rule a country like Iraq with an iron fist
+--- 57989672
+>>57989661
+>we fought against the government, and succeeded in crippling it and bringing widespread chaos
+>our country became a haven for terrorists, and a civil war broke out that killed hundreds of thousands
+>the first one had nothing to do with the second one, and we have no responsibility at all for this outcome
+
+I find the logic hard to follow to be frank. I'm sure that you're too committed ideologically to ever consider your own ideas from this perspective, but you have to understand how weird it looks to an outsider.
+--- 57989677
+>>57989672
+bro your le epic meme green text revisionism and strawmaning aren't standing up to the facts for some reason try repeating it six or so more times after the debate was over 5 posts ago
+--- 57989704
+>>57989677
+I don't think I've posted a single thing that wasn't an objective fact
+
+>Iraqi insurgents fought against the occupation government
+>the war between the insurgents and the occupation government created widespread instability
+>jihadists were able to take advantage of the instability to create ISIS
+
+Anyway, I need to go to sleep, and I'm sure you're too committed ideologically to ever accept that insurgents in Iraq had anything to do with terrorists in Iraq, but it's been nice talking with you.
+--- 57989727
+>>57989704
+Yes the U.S. shouldn't have invaded. I agree.
+--- 57989814
+>>57981111
+Iraq army was joke couldn't even take down a broken nation as Iran despite it has gone through a radical revolution and Saddam receive from West and URSS while Iran stood alone.
+--- 57989838
+>>57989814
+Why do people like this? Do they think its morally morally permissible? >>57988914
+>>57988993
+>>57981165
+--- 57989885
+>>57989838
+>superpower
+lol
+--- 57989941
+>>57989885
+>"lol" said anon on /k/ in response to an academic piece of work written by a Major General and a CIA analyst
+--- 57990001
+>>57989838
+*lie like this
+--- 57990008
+>>57989838
+>superpower
+>manage to lose to a isolate and impoverished in a 10 year war
+--- 57990013
+>>57989941
+That's correct. "lol," is the appropriate response to calling Iraq a "superpower."
+--- 57990017
+>>57990008
+>pretending to be illiterate = winning the debate
+grim
+--- 57990044
+>>57990013
+Why were you shitting yourself over it and gathering the biggest coalition since WW2?
+--- 57990058
+>>57978151 (OP)
+I would hand control back to the Ba'athists and go back to being allies like the 80's
+--- 57990064
+>>57990017
+Iraq-Iraq war showed how pathetic was the Iraqi Army, if Kuwait had a army they would too humilited Saddam. 
+
+The elite Republican Guard broked like a bitch at the first contact.
+--- 57990065
+>>57990044
+Why couldn't you achieve better than status quo antebellum against Iran?
+--- 57990134
+>>57990064
+>making shit up = winning the debate
+grim
+>>57990065
+A country 3 times our side, 3 times the population, mountainous vs flatland + the largest military in the region before the war. We won and achieved our stated objective which is to secure our borders and enforce the agreement we had, not only that but we took over a buffer zone for two years after the war. We also won military by crushing the Iranians and it wasn't even close.
+The Iranians got assfucked while having western weapons against our eastern ones.
+The tank battles during the war were one of the few times in history where eastern tanks absolutely obliterated western tanks.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dezful
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nasr
+The Iranian military was reduced to 1/10th of its size and it still hasn't recovered to this day, Iraq left the war the 4th largest military in the world >>57990001
+--- 57990143
+>>57990064
+btw picrel is not kuwait's (that we took over in 6 hours) but saudi arabia's reaction to us during the gulf war... 
+KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
+--- 57990165
+>>57990134
+But Iraq was a superpower by the end of it. Surely they could have forced better terms.
+--- 57990175
+>>57990165
+Our terms since 1980. Which were the ones to be forced. You're correct.
+--- 57990195
+>>57990175
+Status quo antebellum is not forcing terms, especially for the side starting the war with an invasion.
+--- 57990227
+>>57990195
+https://youtu.be/aZdAnzTk9hM?t=110 [Embed]
+>''Taking this decision was more deadly than taking poison. I submitted myself to God's will and drank this drink for his satisfaction.''
+not my problem :)
+--- 57990264
+>>57990227
+>start war
+>fail to achieve goals
+This is not victory
+--- 57990276
+>>57978151 (OP)
+Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
+--- 57990288
+>>57990264
+> senior Iraqi tank officer explains in 1980 Iraq's goal is forcing its sovereignty over disputed areas >>57990227
+>2023
+>all the areas he listed in the video are today part of Iraq
+whoa...
+--- 57990365
+>>57990288
+Iraq gave up its claim to Shatt al Arab.
+--- 57990437
+>>57990365
+No it didn't. It was part of Resolution 598. Iran gave up on its imperialist ambitions after getting humiliated by a nation 1/3 their size.
+--- 57990456
+The best way I can describe the Iran-Iraq war is as if it's the eastern front except the Soviets failed to launch a successful counterattack.
+The war should be taught in schools to show Iraq's military genius and how it overcame every disadvantage and rightfully won. Too bad people are brainwashed by decades old anti-Iraq sentiment and reddit memes made by coping diaspora.
+--- 57990497
+>>57978151 (OP)
+>Remove Saddam, but keep the Ba'ath party in charge
+>Replace him with a larger than life US figurehead
+>Fucking Stormin' Norman is now the God King of Iraq
+>Hype that fucker up like we did in Japan with MacArthur
+>Like, full "sent by Mohammed to grace you subhumans with my divine presence" level hype
+>Subtly start several Islamic cults dedicated to him
+>Any suspected Islamic insurgents get disappeared unceremoniously
+>No martyr's death, just gone without a trace
+>Do this ruthlessly until they fuck off
+>Invest in Iraqi industry and tourism (it's fucking Mesopotamia)
+>Give the average Iraqi a job opportunity that'll let him build wealth and provide for his family,
+>Don't force Western-style democracy, let the country enter the global market on its own terms
+>Build a US-style military of volunteers
+>Suppress Arab tribalism, your unit is your tribe now
+>Leave when largely stable, but keep a few bases behind
+
+I'm very drunk and I have no idea if any of that was in any way not retarded, but it's what I have

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@@ -117,3 +117,423 @@ The 57E is surprisingly useable, did many night hikes with it.
 >>57979935
 >I HATE /NVG/GERS
 Lmao, I’ll buy one and probably more to give to friends that also own NV and if is IR reflective even better.
+--- 57980518
+>>57979723
+>>57979855
+Had to search it up and it looks like only fermilab themselves and one other online retailer ever listed them for sell. Looks like you have to get lucky with a used private listing or wait for them to restock it.
+--- 57980568
+>>57980460
+watch the threads for when I post pictures of the patches, should have them soon as soon as I finish a design and acquire materials
+--- 57980648
+Newfag here getting into Nvgs, saw an ebay listing for agm pvs 14 gen 2+ for $1700, how much am i getting ripped off? Is Agm products as notorious as people make them out to be where i should avoid them?
+--- 57980694
+>>57980648
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAgl3wOO0_A [Embed]
+--- 57980746
+>>57980346
+I do, I have a Sotac. With a little bit of work, it's a great mount for a very low price. Rattle canning it got rid of almost all the slop, but the drum on it still wobbles. I ordered some nylon tipped screws to fix that, which others on here recommended. Obviously it's not as good out of the box as the real deal, but you're also paying nearly ten times less. Night vision accessories in general are highway robbery. No matter what mount you use, make sure to have a tie down on it, that's physically tied to the helmet, not just velcroed on.
+--- 57980773
+>>57980694
+What i got from the vid is agm is budget friendly but its like the rothco of the nvg world.
+--- 57980787
+>>57980648
+That's about the market rate but with about 700 more bucks you can have a real gen 3 PVS-14, probably less if you buy used. I wouldn't say to never buy gen 2, but I think the max price that's worth in my personal opinion is like 1500, otherwise saving for gen 3 is more sensible.
+--- 57980790
+>>57979890
+Yes its not too bad after you loctite it.
+--- 57981707
+FMA bump (Chink wendy clone) has a pretty decent shroud as far as I can tell. Metal and not plastic and holds my aka2 + pvs14 fine. Limited use thus far so I don't know about long term.
+--- 57982655
+>>57979723
+cloud defensive is making one that wont kill your lights power or output like the fernilabs one. Just wait.
+--- 57982993
+>>57980787
+Thank you
+--- 57984453
+>>57978834 (OP)
+I've been meaning to buy night vision for some time now, and I have decided to do so sometime during summer. There are two considerations I must take: Firstly, I live in Europe and would a million times rather order something from Europe, and also possibly this opens up some options you would know better than I do. Second, I don't want to spend 6 million bucks. I was thinking a budget somewhere between 1k-1.3k euro, preferably with a good mounting solution in the price. For this price, I hope to get maybe Gen 2 tube/s? Or is that asking too much. Cyclops nods seem to be cool as both eyes get to see, and since I won't be doing much shooting in Europe but rather hiking or such, I think they are a good option. If you have some piece of advice or nugget of knowledge to drop, please do I'm open to any of it.
+--- 57984568
+>>57984453
+I'm in the exact same position so I'm waiting for replies too
+--- 57984589
+>>57980773
+Correct. You can also rehouse a tube relatively cheaply if you'd like and rectify any issues if you want a decent side/upgrade.
+--- 57984591
+>>57984453
+You are going to severely hinder your depth perception and are gonna put yourself into some mr bean tier situations night hiking in mountainous terrain.
+--- 57984762
+>>57984591
+Isn't it something you get used to after like a dozen hours of use or so, or maybe a month? Have not heard from people who have used cyclops to the extent they could confirm or not.
+--- 57984771
+>>57984453
+>Firstly, I live in Europe
+you should be rangebanned.
+--- 57984779
+>>57979935
+>patch for /nvg/
+I'd be in.
+--- 57984791
+>>57979935
+>"I HATE /NVG/GERS!"
+Nm.
+--- 57984862
+Argus G24 ordered I'll let you guys know how it is
+--- 57985061
+>>57984453
+find a facebook marketplace or a discord, for 1- 1.3k you wont get anything new thats good,
+
+but secondhand you can find good deals on lower end monoculars and bioculars,
+i got my L3 gen 3 pvs-7 for 1350 so its possible
+--- 57985088
+>>57979935
+>night time is the right time
+>grab PVS, go innanight
+>/k/nights
+>i see you / ICU
+>all-seeing-eye iconography
+>we own the night
+>we borrow the night
+>IIT OP
+>photo-cascade ranger
+>digital takeover soon(TM)
+>you can run but you can't hide
+>dollar signs, because this shit is expensive
+>PV$
+>ngmi/NvGMI
+>poorfags need not apply
+> >>/toy/
+>Night Vision General + a rank star
+>Lasersneed's, formerly Laserchuck's
+>Full Power Ranger
+>something about it being retarded that the FDA governs lasers
+>T-O-O-B
+>gen2++++++
+>gen4
+> ">740nm"
+--- 57985100
+>>57984589
+>rectify a tube if you like
+Knowing myself, my ass would fuck something if i attempted something up
+Would it still be wise to get agm as a starter unit or just bite the bullet and cough up few hundred more and get a superior unit?
+--- 57985117
+>>57985088
+>i can't run, but you can't hide
+FTFY
+--- 57985132
+>>57985088
+>>night time is the right time
+>>we own the night
+Always a safe and good bet.
+
+>Lasersneed's, formerly Laserchuck's
+Very apt to /nvg/.
+
+>you can run but you can't hide
+>poorfags need not apply
+>gen2++++++
+>gen4
+>Full Power Ranger
+lel, got chuckles out of me
+
+>>57985117
+oh, yeah that is a nice one too lel
+--- 57985433
+>>57985061
+Gen 3 for less than 2k? damn. If you got that deal through facebook or discord then I'll definitely be looking into joining some. Inshallah none of them are honeypots.
+--- 57985448
+>>57985433
+pre ukraine it was easy to get gen 3 under 1000, tubes mostly but pvs-7's were usually around the 1300 mark complete
+--- 57985476
+>>57985117
+Kek
+--- 57985507
+>>57980746
+>make sure to have a tie down on it, that's physically tied to the helmet, not just velcroed on.
+This is something people gloss over because it seems weird to have to retain your retention. Adjustable placement shock cord thingies are nice, I have one, but don't trust your NVD to just their velcro alone.
+--- 57985659
+>>57985117
+I like it, put it with a stencilized image of this kid with some nods on.
+--- 57985935
+Looking to get my first NVG. I want a high end monocular (because poorfag cant afford binos) and want it high enough where I can enjoy stargazing. EBI and Halo i am thinking under 0.5 as starting points, and SNR 35+. However, if I ever decide I want to dick around with a basic telescope, does this mean I should look at 81+ resolution or will 72 do just fine? Overall budget is about $5k just for the monocular, does this seem realistic? Should I push and be patient for even more gucci specs?
+--- 57985971
+>>57985935
+You should go onto specifically star gazing forms that exist for this stuff, just because they'll know the specialty specs needed. There also apparently is some weird hardware involved. You can get a top end Gucci L3 filmless PVS-14 for around 4k
+--- 57986000
+>>57985971
+Good suggestion, thank you. Main purpose would be for larping but i thought it would be insanely cool to take my friends boat 30 miles offshore where you can see the milkyway and then view it with NV.
+--- 57986017
+>>57986000
+Checked. But yes there's apparently specific stuff that hooks onto the monocular for telescope mounting. Either way, you'll see more stars than you ever have before.
+--- 57986040
+>>57985935
+Unless you are REALLY into stargazing I wouldn't spend 5k on a monocular when you can get duals on sale for $6-7k easy. If you genuinely need the mono form then by all means tho.
+--- 57986054
+>>57978834 (OP)
+Peanut butter Lasersneeds just dropped on ebay
+--- 57986111
+>>57986040
+I just started a new job, in a few years when I get all my certifications I stand to make about $300k a year. My logic is I will just get a top end monocular for now, and when Im making “fuck you” money, I can splurge and get an absurd set of binos. Ive been dying to get NVG for years and years and have been stalking various hand select websites and theres a couple out there that look like great candidates for my purposes. Im
+sure a top end mono will hold its value better as well if i decide to resell. But for now I remain poorfag.
+--- 57986144
+>>57986111
+>300k
+wtf.
+--- 57986146
+>it's real
+--- 57986200
+>>57985659
+Seconding this.
+--- 57986240
+>>57986146
+china will grow larger
+--- 57986295
+>>57986144
+Are you cool calm and collected? Free of medical conditions, criminal history, and under age 31? Want to play the worlds hardest video game? This years hiring window is next month. Put your name in the hat.
+https://www.faa.gov/be-atc
+
+Obviously different locations have different pay but I have personally seen a coworkers 2 week paycheck at just under $10k takehome after taxes/retirement/etc.
+--- 57986307
+>>57986146
+>1 second firing delay
+--- 57986456
+>>57986307
+That's been fixed for quite some time now as has the QD mount.
+--- 57986691
+>>57986307
+Lol ignorant parrot. Pi g ping fixed it just for us. Literally though its because of this forum more than anything.
+--- 57986761
+>>57986456
+>>57986691
+Good to know, last i checked months ago it was a thing. Besides that issue I saw no reason not to buy it considering they are not faggots that gatekeep who can and cant buy their product.
+--- 57987110
+>>57986146
+They need to switch to crane plug and this thing will own the laser market completely.
+--- 57987115
+>>57986146
+Also make the fl5 fde.
+--- 57987552
+>>57987110
+Speaking of plugs, the Elecbee 90* M8 is chonky. At least I have a use for the Somo knock off mod button now.
+--- 57987563
+Do NVG tubes lifetime decrease when not in use? i.e. sitting in the closet with no battery in them
+--- 57987580
+>>57986146
+They also have an FDE one that's anodized, the tan one will probably be less reflective under NVGs. Also I used the release to see which Aliexpress store was legit, and it's the 'Laserspeed Official Store', none of the other ones had the new devices on them. Slight price increase on both of them.
+--- 57987597
+>>57987563
+No, only when its powered on and it gathers photons.
+Other things can affect it like humidity level and the circuit could be affected like any other electronic device.
+--- 57987602
+>>57987563
+I imagine they'd probably age to some extent overtime even without use, just due to the passing of time, but that's gonna be very marginal. The runtime hours are only going to really decrease with actual use.
+--- 57987665
+>>57987580
+>Slight price increase on both of them
+--- 57987716
+>>57987665
+It's not great but it's still cheaper than literally anything else on the market.
+--- 57987740
+>>57986295
+>under age 31
+Oh nice I just made the cut lmao
+--- 57987840
+>>57987552
+I wish they sold the knockoff crane plug Modbutton individually.
+
+>>57987665
+Only the FDE and tan finishes are priced higher. The black M3 is still the same retail price. See picrel.
+--- 57987862
+>>57987740
+Put in an application fren, it will be about 6mo til you take the aptitude test, and a year total from when you apply til the point you start classes. Its a mother fucker to get into, 1800 slots for 58k applicants in the last hiring bid, but if you get in you will make phat stacks and can retire with a full pension and benefits after 20 years. Its honestly a based af career but uncle sam will own your pathetic soul while hes got you so be prepared for that.
+--- 57988218
+UPS charged me fucking $40 in shipping to and from steele for repairs for my pvs14
+--- 57988261
+>>57988218
+No insurance?
+I usually go with USPS unless the company only recommends a specific delivery service.
+--- 57988274
+>>57988261
+I usually go through USPS too but I needed a return label and package and didn't have any on hand.
+--- 57988285
+>>57987862
+>uncle sam will own your pathetic soul while hes got you
+Yup, I recall that last federal budget funding that didn’t get agreed upon by congress and potus and the FAA and other federal agencies had to be furloughed and still had to work without pay until a budget was passed and hope to get backpay during that time.
+--- 57988286
+>>57988218
+LMAO
+
+I fully insured my DTNVS to them and it was $600
+--- 57988314
+>>57988286
+Damn that's fucking insane pricing for shipping. I would probably have gone higher on insurance if it was an expensive dual tube but it was just a cheap elbit pvs14 i got during a sale. It was only the objective lens locking ring that broke. I was trying to take out to screw to set the stop at infinite focus but it was in too tight and snapped
+--- 57988343
+>>57988314
+I sent mine in for a purge and clean. that cost was also one way. My UPS store couldn't get return shipping fully insured. So I went as much as I could on the return which was like a grand.
+--- 57988358
+>>57988343
+Fuck man I need to save up more than I thought before I commit to high spec dual tubes
+--- 57988416
+>>57986200
+patch anon here
+
+I will draw up some of these ideas later while im at work instead of doing my job
+--- 57988426
+>>57988358
+It honestly might have been cheaper to buy a flight and rent a car to drive it to them
+--- 57988438
+>>57988426
+Wouldn't mind it since I used to live in the Sarasota area. I've heard it's kinda gone to shit since I left though
+--- 57988445
+>>57988314
+You probably could have repaired that yourself easily. I'm glad I did a home build specifically because I have the confidence to open the device when I need to now.
+--- 57988457
+>>57988438
+I was in Sarasota in 2020, didn't see that bad really, though there's definitely some bad parts.
+--- 57988504
+>>57988445
+I don't trust myself. I'm too stronk and break stuff when trying to repair things. Thats how I ended up in this situation in the first place. Plus I have no idea how and don't have the confidence you have since I didn't build mine
+--- 57988662
+I'm gonna do it, bros...
+--- 57989454
+>Got a knockoff unity riser for my Wraith, now able to mount the SMS brick on the top rail. IR laser emitter is almost directly over the bore now. 
+>Car repairs turned out to be a lot less than expected, looking at the Lasersneed M3.
+This fucking hobby is ridiculous. I find a solution to my poorfaggotry and find the funds to get something nice the next day. Still liking how the riser lifts the Wraith up.
+>>57988662
+Let us know. Those large screen format optics intrigue me.
+--- 57989496
+>>57988662
+>>57989454
+Does anybody have a fucking One Leaf commander nv 100 experience?
+--- 57989553
+>>57987580
+>Laserspeed Official Store',
+I never checked it, I was direct email negotiations and purchase. They really have a lot of crap. I mean real crap.
+--- 57989556
+Someone loan me their legit g24 so I can compare the lock up of it and a sotac and an argus g24.
+--- 57989692
+>>57989496
+Nope, and if you want digital NV on a rifle scope? Look at the higher magnification Sightmark Wraiths. Not sure if I would go with an Aurora and RDS after using my 2-16x Wraith.
+Those behind scope clip ons just do not inspire confidence in me.
+--- 57989709
+>>57989553
+Yeah but it's important to know for anons who are wanting to buy it from aliexpress for some reason.
+--- 57989774
+>>57989709
+Sure, I mean Axon Hot Buttons for $30, why did I pay $110 off Amazon?
+--- 57989794
+>>57989556
+yeah
+--- 57989810
+>>57988286
+Imagine actually paying for fucking insurance on a military grade piece of hardware. Kids these days....
+--- 57989902
+>>57989810
+It's more about the item getting "lost" than breaking something "military grade" 
+
+>implying you know what military grade actually means
+--- 57989933
+>>57985935
+72 vs. 81 lp/mm won't make any difference for viewing and very little, if any, difference for imaging.
+
+Note that even for astronomy EBI is an overrated spec unless you are hunting invisible objects with narrow band filters in large reflectors. By all means get the best specs you can, but don't do something like take a blem for EBI 0.4 when a perfect EBI 0.8 tube is sitting there.
+
+A 3x or 5x attachment lens makes a huge difference in what you can see. My favorite is the 5x and it rivals my telescope in terms of enjoyment, especially since it's easy to hand hold while the scope requires setup.
+
+Any standard PVS-14 (or PVS-7) can be attached at the telescope eyepiece if you get a telescope later on. On a telescope gen 3 can range from "holy shit" to "that's it?" Depends on the wavelength of the object being viewed and on local light pollution. With the right objects and filters gen 3 can slice right through lp and give stunning views.
+--- 57989938
+>>57989810
+I don't think anon was less worried about it breaking during shipping and more of it going missing in transit. It doesn't matte how rugged your package is if some fucktard at UPS decides to have it fall off their truck.
+--- 57990028
+>>57987115
+be the change you want to see in the world.
+--- 57990050
+>>57979935
+>no/k/turnal emissions
+>/nvg/- Lasersneed marketing division
+>/nvg/- hasnods and has nots
+--- 57990149
+>>57989454
+"This is just a fun gun. Surely I'll never need to worry about taking it out night shooting... but if I could then it would be a fun gun *at night* too."
+LAMs are a disease that have infected so much of what I own.
+--- 57990166
+thots?
+https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/how-to-zero-an-infrared-laser
+--- 57990208
+>>57990149
+Just swap them between guns and zero it to your red dot at infinity.
+--- 57990210
+>>57990166
+> Gloom Group Zero
+Okay, that name is stupid but it is essentially a convergence zero and their original description of the convergence zero should have mentioned to convergence it at the furthest range you will probably will shoot at night but really just go as far as to can.
+Overall they give a good primer on how to do a parallel and convergence zero but that last one named after their brand was just dumb.
+--- 57990216
+>>57990166
+Exactly what most folks recommend and practice. Just converging zero/cowitness at an extended range to your daytime optic. Parallel zero makes more sense if you exclusively shoot within bad breath range and inches matter for accountability. Close range converging is just all retarded.
+--- 57990220
+>>57990166
+I mean that's basically a converging zero out to an infinite distance. John Dufrense has talked about it before, the parallel zero has diminishing returns compared to a converging zero as the zero range approaches infinity. 
+
+Just use John Dufrense's zeroing targets, with a little bit of 3m reflective tape in the center bullseye. do it at 25 yards. After you get a zero there, push it out to 50, make your adjustments and leave it. It's a solid and easy way to get a parallel zero in under 15 rounds.
+--- 57990221
+>>57990210
+>>57990216
+Gracias, mi companeros.
+--- 57990228
+>>57990220
+good to know thanks
+--- 57990281
+>>57989933
+Checked and thank you, exactly what i was looking for.
+--- 57990290
+>>57986295
+>31 year old cutoff
+That's kinda weird. Not like the job is physically demanding, just stressful as fuck.
+--- 57990366
+>>57989794
+ok send it over.
+--- 57990397
+>>57990290
+Reaction time dulls with age and in busy airspaces you are basically fighting for your life for an hour+ at a time trying to keep the traffic under control. Imagine speaking for an hour nonstop but you cant mess up any words or get the order mixed up or else the dots on your radar touch and hundreds of people die. They want younger people that they can milk for the full 20+ years because it costs uncle sam approximately $1mil per controller on average to get them fully certified. Its a career where theres zero room for fuckups, which is awesome because you get to work with real professionals all day every day, but a total beat down on your body since you are riding the adrenaline dragon rollercoaster 5-6 days a week. All that being said I got in at age 30 and I am insanely jealous of the kids who got in during their early 20s who are eligible for full retirement by their mid 40s, literally god i wish that were me.jpg
+--- 57990448
+>>57990397
+I recall this one video of an air traffic controller that was posted quite often on /pol/ like a year or two ago, due to the traffic controller is a black chick and was confused on various things that almost caused a collision on the runway.
+
+Anyways what’s your opinion on the chance of this field being replaced with some AI tech?
+--- 57990495
+>>57990448
+FAA has horrendous staffing due to their budget being yearly and congress fuck fuck games leading to shutdowns which in turn makes it impossible for the FAA to make the long term plans it needs since they have no idea if/when there will be money for it. Its broken AF, which means many facilities are critically understaffed, and some certify people who absolutely shouldnt be certified just so they can get their staffing high enough to not be forced into mandatory overtime for years on end. There will be a deadly fuckup due to this sometime this decade and nothing will change unfortunately until that happens.
+
+As far as AI, never lol, i can definitely see it assisting automating some of the bitchwork (automation is already a massive help since how things used to be decades ago before computers) but there will always be humans piloting and humans controlling. This will be one of the very last fields that AI would replace, for political, liability, and practicality reasons. The human brain is just too fucking good.
+--- 57990653
+>>57990149
+If I could just find a standalone IR illuminator (anyone got a link for the Vulcan VSCEL only head) I would be set for my AK and AR. Cannot lie, the SMS laser is a nice unit for 3x the price.
+>>57990050
+>I'm illuming!
+>1040nm master race
+>Fuck the FDA
+>Thermal>I2
+>Certified Blem
+>Can you see me now?
+>Elena inside
+>840nm or bust
+>No panning, no binocular, gonna make it.
+--- 57990709
+>>57990166
+I've been doing that for a while, by far the easiest and most sensible way to zero a laser imo.
+--- 57990718
+>>57990653
+>>Certified Blem
+I was trying to think of something with blem in it. Has there been any gems or chuds with NVGs on him?
+>absolute Blemerald
+>TND total nonods death
+--- 57990719
+>>57990653
+Check out the Zbolt IR head, might be a good option
+--- 57990811
+Can someone measure their yoter c for me?
+--- 57990829
+>>57990811
+Yeah
+--- 57990884
+>>57990829
+ok thanks anon.

k/57979309.txt

@@ -110,5 +110,392 @@ So if a random goatfucker in Afghanistan now takes an M16A4 and shoots it to a s
 Wandering zero, massive poi shift, cracked receivers, magazines that need to be fitted to the factory or they could not work, etc. It's still an OK DMR for a soviet or middle easter country, but saying that it's justasgood as the SVD even in terms of accuracy is just plain wrong.
 >Also PSL is confirmed to be more rugged than the SVD since it's just a big AK
 As long as it doesn't crack its receiver and handguard first LMAO. And even then, the short stroke action of the SVD has shown itself to be just as reliable (if not more due to tighter tolerances) as an ak. And not needing to handfit magazines to the rifle.
---- 57980445
-Average ZPAP owner
+--- 57980575
+>>57980432
+>not needing to handfit magazines to the rifle.
+I thought both the PSL and the SVD had the same mag issue
+--- 57980690
+>>57979774
+Close
+--- 57980706
+>>57980690
+>navy sling
+Based, whats with the white blob tho?
+--- 57980777
+>>57979774
+Those are not even the sexiest version of the 74.
+--- 57980818
+>>57980432
+I am not that guy but here’s a random group i shot one day with my psl. I did no further groups because i was testing if my zero was still ok. Bench rest shot with a shooting rest i made out of a pool noodle and old socks. Kns piston, 4x pso, 2019 production psl (right before the covid fake news), 154 grain barnaul ball, 100 yards.
+--- 57980836
+>>57979341
+They're fine, if Ukrainians and Russians are managing to not snap them in heavy trench combat, you'll be fine.
+--- 57980838
+>>57979467
+>>57979753
+Draco bullpup kits were a thing years ago. The ATF ruled that they were SBRs.
+--- 57980998
+Checking out the paratrooper WASR model. It looks like a good sbr host. But I've heard the barrel is thinner than a traditional WASR or RH10 and can start to wear out after about 5k rounds. Is this true or just fudd lore? Does anyone own this model and have experience good or bad with it?
+--- 57981010
+>>57980432
+>3 hole handguard
+Is that you czech anon? Do you happen to know the year they switched over to 6 holes?
+>>57980575
+>I thought both the PSL and the SVD had the same mag issue
+No, with a svd or a tigr you can use any mags you find.
+>>57980818
+Beside the whole cracked receiver thing, since you have a kns piston, is your PSL more accurate with light ball or something like 170gr+? I want to get a PSL as well but I can't find much light ball ammo here.(I don't reload yet)
+--- 57981061
+What is the best barometer of AK quality? Robski tests?
+--- 57981093
+>>57979922
+not only is that thing hideous, the mods are terrible, don't know why fuller is obsessed with ultimak rail, its cringe
+--- 57981114
+>>57979774
+Cloooose but no cigar
+--- 57981185
+>>57980998
+Look up "paratrooper" in the archive and filter by "/akg/" in the subject line. Lot of received wisdom about these rifles.
+--- 57981188
+>>57981010
+*148 grain barnaul, subconsciously typed 154 because 54r. Ill have to see if i have some heavier grain lying around i reserved them for the mosin.
+--- 57981195
+>>57981114
+Put a eotech 552 without the mag, basic m4 stock and a2 grip and you have peak AR15
+--- 57981342
+>>57981188
+Have you ever tried pic rel?
+--- 57981358
+>isn't the "point and laugh at Washington State Edition"
+lame
+--- 57981378
+>>57981342
+Naw but ill see what i can do and post next time i go to the range
+--- 57981383
+>>57981195
+I don't like the Eotech boat. I wanted a 556 but it's a premium
+--- 57981522
+>>57981010
+>I don't reload yet
+You should. 54r is gonna dry up fast
+--- 57981557
+>>57981522
+I want to but I'm worried I'm gonna fuck up something and blow up my gun. I wanted to try with 357 mag first.
+--- 57981572
+>>57981378
+Neat
+--- 57982320
+>>57980838
+>Draco bullpup kits were a thing years ago. The ATF ruled that they were SBRs.
+I've looked everywhere and cannot find anything about such a ruling. Mind sharing where you're seeing that?
+--- 57982329
+>>57981557
+just get a book on reloading and follow its instructions exactly. As long as you're not making Bubba's Pissing Hot Handloads you'll be fine.
+--- 57982369
+>>57979309 (OP)
+Whats the /k/ consensus on Atlantic Firearms builds? Are they quality or trash. Considering picking up one of these underfolders. https://atlanticfirearms.com/aam-romy-uf-bfpu
+--- 57982398
+>>57980838
+in fact the only mention I can find online about Draco Bullpups and the ATF is here:
+
+http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/68531-draco-bullpup-progress/
+
+stating the dude got the OK from the ATF, though that was back in 2011. Still, it's not a brace. There is no attachment to rear of the receiver. AR pistols have a buffer tube and a naked buffer tube is not a stock.
+--- 57982477
+>>57982369
+Their bfpu builds use the most beat to shit leftover parts they have, so keep that in mind. They also use weird side rails.
+t. bought one
+--- 57982538
+>>57982477
+Yeah I am basically looking for a kind of a "junk" gun that I can shoot at garbage with and just have fun with. I actually kind of like the weathered look, it has character. I just wanted to make sure they aren't pipe bombs or anything like PSA. I have a romanian underfolder kit that I am too lazy to buy a receiver and barrel to build so I figure I would have plenty of spare parts on hand. 
+t. already have an SGL-31 and WBP Jack
+--- 57982546
+>>57982477
+How many rounds do you have through yours?
+--- 57982634
+>>57982538
+>looking for a kind of a "junk" gun
+Same reason I got one, should serve you well. Their build quality is good.
+>>57982546
+~2k
+--- 57982767
+any KUSA employee here?
+
+'kr101 will be out soon' for years.
+--- 57982804
+>>57982538
+why not a bft47, psa, or vska if its just a garbage yeeter?
+--- 57982821
+>>57982804
+Jesus. Have some dignity, man
+--- 57982983
+>>57982821
+He asked for a junk gun to shoot garbage with, thats essentially the market for that AK tier
+--- 57983423
+>>57979247 →
+
+I've always wanted one too. There is no better home defense gun, as long as you use the brass shell casings so they don't deform in the mag and throw the aftermarket gas Puck in there. Can shoot birdshot and slugs and turkey loads back to back. But the 12 gauge maximum expansion would be my choice.
+--- 57983441
+>>57980706
+Sergei had a little too much of the sauce on acceptance stamp day. It says "MADE IN USSR" and then some other stuff I can't remember. I'll take a closer pic in a bit
+--- 57983705
+>>57975622 →
+>sub moa at 300m
+Impressive, I honestly though they were just big aks.
+--- 57984088
+>>57983423
+I would rather have a glock with a light.
+--- 57984206
+>>57982538
+The PSA 3+ isn't really a pipe bomb like the PSA 1-2 and IO shit. the only real problems with them is the occasional walking pin (usually the front sight). Something about the tolerances of the pin pressings with the heat from shooting doesn't seem to be exactly right. Both me and my friend have had this problem with the 3 and 4 respectively. I think PSA sells a stripped GF3 without furniture that you could slap the handguards you already have on. It should serve you as a decent shitblaster and is probably the cheapest non grenade option.
+--- 57984674
+>>57981185
+I dug through the archive. There is a lot of owners who perceive that it will lose accuracy before they chop the barrel due to the rumor we heard and that it's over gassed like I expected. But I don't see any examples of someone's barrel being damaged or the rifle keyhole-ing. Is there anything I missed that you know of?
+--- 57984797
+I got my PSL for basically nothing and it's done me justice, but all this talk and videos makes me want to put a KNS into it now lol. I have a few .50cal cans of 54r, a couple unopened spam cans, and a crate of mainly Russian and bulgarian stuff, so no light ball, but that doesn't seem to make too much of a difference on wear anyways lol. Also kind of feel like getting a proper LPS scope, but eh, PSO also works fine, money could prob be better spent on other things.
+--- 57984869
+>>57981010
+That's a tigr not an svd
+--- 57985079
+>>57984869
+I have both
+>>57984797
+Man, you jammed that eyepiece pretty far up that PSO ass. 
+>kns piston
+I'd say to go for it, you're gonna prolong the life of your rifle.
+--- 57985178
+Just put a WBP jack on Layaway. What can I expect bros
+--- 57985218
+>>57985178
+A nice Polish AKM that regrettably is not from the Circle 11 factory.
+--- 57985892
+>hand fitting PSL mags
+First I've heard of this, all the factory mags I've tried have worked.
+--- 57985961
+>>57985892
+Watch the 9hole video, it's true but it's not like only those mags will work with your rifle. There's just an higher chance of malfunctions with other mags which weren't handfitted.
+--- 57985973
+>>57983441
+Neat, but why would they stamp it in english?
+--- 57986078
+>watch a jewtoober
+No, thanks.
+--- 57986097
+>>57985973
+>>57980706
+Yeah it's a first for me too. When I bought it I was hoping it was stamped differently but it's a sling, I can find a use for it if I end up not liking it on this rifle
+--- 57986136
+>>57986078
+Doesn't surprise me you knew jack shit about the PSL then.
+--- 57986159
+>>57986136
+psl-less cope
+--- 57986214
+>>57979753
+Why stop there?
+--- 57986224
+>>57986159
+>Immature and insecure
+--- 57986238
+>>57986159
+--- 57986249
+>>57986136
+Yeah, I have one, it's a 100yd minute of man noise making machine, don't need to watch jewtube to know that.
+--- 57986281
+>>57986249
+>huh what the fuck I didn't know *insert basic knowledge*
+>yeah you can see more at X
+>how dare you tell me what to watch!
+Chill out, girl, no need to throw an hissy fit like that.
+--- 57986302
+>>57986281
+>having to fit psl mags in basic knowledge
+They run fine in my machine. All with unmatched serials.
+Nigger.
+--- 57986354
+>>57986078
+--- 57986447
+>>57986302
+--- 57986853
+Poly furniture on a wasr-10 based or cringe?
+--- 57987262
+>>57986853
+Honestly at the end of the day it only matters if you like it or not
+--- 57987307
+>>57986853
+if its the factory polymer or wood from century it is junk, if its poly from somewhere else then its definitely better than the popsicle stick wood it comes with
+--- 57987322
+this is now a PSL love / hate thread
+--- 57987402
+>>57987322
+luv me PSL
+--- 57987576
+>Why are AK owners like this?
+--- 57987678
+>>57985178
+Why did you put it on layaway? Did you not have the money to just buy it outright? Word of advice: NEVER buy gun/gun shit you can't afford, that's a dangerous rabbit hole you're looking down lol.
+--- 57987697
+>>57986853
+eh, depends. as >>57987307 said, if its the factory polymer furniture, then its junk and replace it immediately. Other than that, do whatever you want, esp on a beater rifle like a wasr.
+--- 57987888
+>>57987678
+I moved recently and I'm waiting on my membership application for my new range to get approved. I'll just pay the rest once it does I think. Might try to pick up some ammo and mags during memorial day as well if it's still pending by then.
+--- 57988017
+>>57979341
+>>57979441
+>>57980836
+--- 57988041
+>>57979627
+Was this build one of the Atlantic kits on the Morrissey receivers? How does it shoot?
+--- 57988093
+>>57987888
+What fucking country do you live in? Why would that take until memorial day? How much does this shithole cost? 
+
+Picking up my Romy g tmrw. Finally completed my Romanian trio; side folder, underfolder, fixed stock.
+--- 57988294
+>>57988093
+US, some of the Fudd clubs by me make you get voted in twice at 2 monthly meetings before they let you in (don't ask me why) just anticipating some stupid shit like that
+--- 57988329
+>>57988093
+Only $65/year for the first year then $30/year after that though
+--- 57988480
+I don't like this sidefolder. I have loaned it out to a friend for some wacky funny stuff. I have no idea what I'm gonna do with it. Should I put polymer furniture on it? Maybe zenitco handguard and a wood buttstock? idk wtf to do with it I just dont like the way it looks rn.
+--- 57988486
+>>57988294
+>>57988329
+what's so good about the club to have to deal with that bullshit? Do they have really long distance ranges or wide open bays with targets/barricades/obstacles or whatever?
+--- 57988540
+>>57988017
+>beats plastic rifle stock on ground 
+>plastic stock breaks
+>wow, what a piece of shit
+What did he expect?
+--- 57988579
+>>57981114
+gay
+--- 57988599
+Is it even possible to find surplus wood furniture sets that doesn’t look like it’s been buried for 30 years or isn’t insanely over priced? I remember seeing it fairly often before I started getting into aks.
+--- 57988647
+>>57988599
+No.
+--- 57988665
+>>57988647
+Ok :(
+--- 57988738
+Getting the Polish butt stock in a few days. Definitely going to toss on the factory quadrail that shipped with the rifle once that comes in
+--- 57988791
+>>57988480
+Molotov MFG MK62 lower handguard + the Bulgarian Bi-sexual stocks Soviet Stocks has.
+https://khybercustoms.com/mk62-lower-handguard/
+https://www.sovietstocks.com/bulgarian-fixed-stock-folder.html
+--- 57988918
+>>57988294
+I'm also a member of a goofy fudd club. Had to get sponsored in by a member, have to put in work hours every year. 
+
+>>57988486
+Can't speak for anon but at mine we have up to 600yds. No RSO's, all self policed. You use a keypad to get in.
+--- 57988946
+>>57979309 (OP)
+I call it “Mama’s favorite”.
+--- 57989743
+>>57987322
+I love mine, all these people saying it’s overpriced forget everything is fucking overpriced. The kns piston basically fixes any problems, if you had any to begin with, but all aks are overgassed. 2.5k is not so shit if you compare it to 10-20k svds which are almost unobtainium. Of course i’d rather have an svd, or both. Im not paying retarded machine gun prices though unless i was a gorillionaire.
+--- 57989752
+>>57988540
+>beat surplus polymer stock on the ground
+>it doesn’t break
+>can continue shooting and aiming with no problem at all if needed.
+Hmm really makes you think.
+--- 57989789
+The AR platform attracts a lot more trannies.
+--- 57989836
+>>57989789
+no wonder your dad owns one
+--- 57989906
+>>57989743
+at 2.5k just save up a little more and get a zastava m91 for 3-3.5k when they're available. A gun that doesn't massively shift poi with heat and beat itself up
+--- 57989966
+>>57986214
+you're right, we have to go smaller
+--- 57989993
+>>57989906
+Nah the bolt will just shear in two or the receiver will crack due to poor metallurgy.
+--- 57990136
+>>57989966
+That recoil spring must be screamin
+--- 57990157
+i like aks :)
+--- 57990180
+>>57989906
+I’ve shot some really nice groups with my M91 but once it heats up the groups open up a lot. 
+>>57989993
+It won’t
+--- 57990194
+>>57989836
+Jokes aside arg gets raided by a bunch of trannies biweekly.
+Side note I also found the janitor’s home address, I’m thinking of ways to ruin possibly even end his life and am open to suggestions.
+--- 57990263
+>>57990194
+>Jokes aside
+
+so why are you still here?
+--- 57990387
+Can you imagine ME, the CHADDY WARDEN meeting a pioneershitter in next AKG meetup?
+GOD I can imagine as soon as it starts rumbling MY atmosphere with his cracked voice and feeble vocal chords.
+I'd run like pic related and put that RAT in a motherfucking ARMBAR.
+I'd imagine it would snap like a freaking RICECAKE.
+And then silence its animalistic screeching with STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP.
+--- 57990492
+>I have heard people say that standard black (non SAW) FAL grips were made in the USA at one point specifically for use on AKs, and for some reason were best used on underfolders?
+Can anyone here verify if this is actually true or fuddlore by sticking a FAL grip on their AKM?
+--- 57990591
+>>57988017
+Yeah, probably shouldn't do that with it. But for a meme shotgun that I use for 3 gun, it works great. I must say it is kind of funny how much the new AK-12 stock resembles it.
+--- 57990663
+>>57979627
+It’s a shitty sight all around, a fucking Chinkholosun is better. But the Kobra is aesthetic as fuck
+--- 57990676
+>>57982369
+They’re acceptable builds. I bought three builds from them. All of them came slightly canted with wobbly handguards but they run great and are built solid.
+--- 57990683
+>>57990591
+Whats the handguard? Been looking for an MLOK HG for my Lynx 12 cause I dont like the early 2000's quadrail shit most places have
+
+>file type not supported
+ps. I fucking hate webps like why tf does anyone use them because they're incompatible with 90% of the shit I use. I'm not /g/ so is there any way I can automatically save them as something else?
+--- 57990684
+>>57985178
+A boringly reliable and well made rifle
+--- 57990697
+>>57988946
+Cute
+--- 57990734
+>>57979309 (OP)
+Painting is done, not terrible.
+What is terrible though is the lighting in my house.
+--- 57990749
+Bros, are these surplus Circle 11 sets or made by Pioneer? They actually look really decent. 
+https://pioneerarmsus.com/product/polish-laminate-wood-furniture-for-akm-stock-and-handguard-kit/
+--- 57990762
+>>57990749
+Pioneer is made in Radom so I they're gtg either way!
+--- 57990765
+>>57990492
+>yo, you want a FAL or an AK?
+>yes
+This thing fucks though I love it
+--- 57990859
+Svds and PSLs are nice and all, but fuck do I want an SVCH.
+--- 57991060
+>>57990749
+Nice find, surplus for sure. Looks way better than that new production WBP garbage. Good find
+--- 57991232
+>>57991060
+I’m buying a set and I’m putting it on my Jack
+--- 57991328
+To the anon who asked about where to find AR-70 or 70/90 kits - this was posted to a popular gun forum and sold quickly.
+They appear but not often.
+--- 57991354
+>>57990859
+>SVCH
+Is that basically an mr1?

k/57979966.txt

@@ -23,3 +23,107 @@ OWNERSHIP
 POST HOLE
 --- 57980358
 It might go away or get less worse in a few days to weeks. If not welcome to the eeee club. Don't let it fucking happen again and always double up. It only gets worse.
+--- 57980578
+how many is the pasta up to now? 43?
+--- 57980590
+>>57979966 (OP)
+been shootin 25 years, never had a ND or AD
+--- 57980609
+>>57979966 (OP)
+>how do i make my ears stop ringing
+go into your bathroom, fill the tub with water, shoot one more round, this is basically a hard reset for your ears
+--- 57980823
+>>57979966 (OP)
+It doesn't. It might subside a little. you will need a fan to sleep, some kind of background noise. Your brain will eventually learn to ignore it. Buy high quality hearing protection and double up.
+--- 57981914
+>>57979966 (OP)
+>how do i make my ears stop ringing
+Most volunteer for bombing duty.
+--- 57981938
+>>57980590
+you never had a desk pop?
+--- 57982144
+ND's are a part of firearms ownership and it happens from actually handling your guns. If it doesn't happen, you probably just let your shit rust in a closet lmao.
+--- 57982368
+>>57979969
+>homeopathy
+there are people who actually believe this shit.
+--- 57982572
+>>57979966 (OP)
+howd it happen?
+--- 57983499
+>>57982368
+have you tried it how do you know it doesnt work
+--- 57984737
+>>57979966 (OP)
+was right next to an officer that BD'd a M2HB and my ears didn't ring at all
+i thought that from one bullet you don't get much damage 
+or was it in a close space?
+
+if anyone cares
+>be a technician for a remote weapon system
+>get a call that the charging mechanism got stuck in the backwards position 
+>take a spare mechanism just in case they're not just retarded this time
+>get there and see it's completely seized up due to dirt + oil 
+>say to myself i will just get it unstuck off the vehicle 
+>tell them to clear and remove the M2 off the RWS
+>don't pay attention as officially am not qualified to clear an M2 anyway
+>instructor pretend to clear it 
+>help her take off the M2 from the RWS
+>replace charging mechanism 
+>tell them to charging while i'm still there 
+>officer in charge there gets out of the vehicle and helps the instructor put the gun back on
+>as he connects the firing mechanism accidentally push too hard and pull the trigger
+>*BANG*
+officially in the incident report they said it was aimed at the range
+but i moved the system manually for better clearance so i'm not sure it was true. 
+and the instructor lied as to why she didn't clear it properly, made up a story about not pulling the charging handle back enough to clear it
+--- 57984744
+>>57984737
+ND'd *
+--- 57984886
+>>57980059
+Bullshit. Your hearing is like a unrechargable battery. Once the damage is done there is no going back.
+--- 57985219
+>>57979966 (OP)
+Always have dedicated dry fire mags
+--- 57985281
+>>57979966 (OP)
+Just ignore it and your brain will adapt. People can adapt to their entire field of vision being flipped upside down with mirror glasses and see just fine after a couple days, so some extra noise in the ear signals is no big deal as long as you don't fixate on it.
+--- 57985319
+>>57980590
+Seriously, how fucking braindead do you have to be for this shit to happen at all? It's too easy to avoid
+--- 57985334
+PROTIP: if you own a gun over a year without negligent discharging at least once, you aren't handling it enough. NDs are a natural part of handling weapons, just like tweaking your back is part of weightlifting and car accidents are part of driving. I ND several times a year because I actually HANDLE and know how to USE my weapons. It makes me a better firearms handler and marksman, and it's a small part of the price you pay in the sheepdog lifestyle Simple fact is, the "safety mentality" will build mental blocks in your head that will get you killed. You need to be comfortable putting your finger on the trigger and pointing the gun wherever you want no matter the time, place, or status of the weapon. Taking time to check whether the gun is loaded whenever you pick one up will serve to make you hesitate in a personal defense scenario. You fucking safety idiots are going to get people killed all because of this fucking "ND" shaming. Guns are inherently dangerous, you need to accept it.
+--- 57986036
+>>57985334
+finally some sense on this board
+--- 57986148
+>>57984737
+Shit like that us why women shouldn't be involved in the military. Lazy bitches
+--- 57986569
+>>57979966 (OP)
+I had maybe one ND at the most and I'm not sure it's even appropriate to call it that. 
+
+It was when I got my first pistol. I had the gun pointed downrange at the target and I guess my finger was on the trigger harder than I thought it was so I shot about half a second before/after I intended to.
+
+How the fuck do you retards end up ventilating your living room ceilings or your neighbors dog? You have to be a literal nigger to have NDs.
+--- 57986799
+>>57986148
+the fact that all our instructors are women and i professionally liked only 2 of them in my entire service says a lot
+--- 57987930
+>>57986799
+I've never been in the military but every single job I've worked at since I became an adult every single woman has been a problem. Either they're lazy and try to get other people to do their work or they stir shit to cause drama then act lime their q victim
+--- 57990085
+>>57979966 (OP)
+>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
+--- 57990439
+>>57984886
+>knows nothing about ears
+>source:ENT
+--- 57990469
+>>57979966 (OP)
+You can’t
+--- 57991383
+>>57980590
+Been 8 years for me, had 1 AD. It was at a range and the gun was pointed downrange.

k/57980847.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,112 @@
+-----
+--- 57980847
+New chinese MREs dropped
+--- 57980895
+>>57980847 (OP)
+>do not eat
+>do not touch
+>ILLEGAL to throw in the trash
+I'm guessing it's just heated metal and the touch thing is due to burns instead of toxicity... But that is still one spooky disclaimer to find on shit that's in direct contact with food that's supposed to go in your mouth.
+--- 57980904
+>>57980895
+My favorite food is roundmeal.
+--- 57980910
+>>57980895
+It's keeping the nuggets in the danger zone for hours or even days, I would be more worried about the bacteria and toxic shit building up on the nuggets.
+--- 57980911
+>>57980895
+I mean it sure looks like a watch battery anon
+
+Verification not required.
+--- 57980915
+>>57980847 (OP)
+Is known fake from 2018. Some Instagram fag makes pretend shit.
+--- 57980921
+>>57980911
+That's because it is in fact a battery.
+--- 57980923
+>>57980847 (OP)
+Mfw I put the "heat coin" in the strippers asshole at the club VIP before my lap dance while I sit back and enjoy my nuggies.
+--- 57980927
+>>57980895
+>>do not eat
+>>do not touch
+>>ILLEGAL to throw in the trash
+Do NOT taunt it either. 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmqeZl8OI2M [Embed]
+--- 57980937
+>>57980915
+good eye anon, this english writing food product in a clearly american grocery store definitely isn't a new chinese mre
+--- 57980944
+>>57980937
+It's a public service for our dumber anons. The jokes you though for posting literal reddit trash on /k/.
+--- 57981019
+>>57980923
+>AAAAAUUUGGGHHH!!!
+>The tip! The tip is red hot!
+>Anon, you rat! You didn't buy the nuggets just to snack on! You just wanted to give me the ol' heat coin!
+--- 57981802
+>>57980904
+>boil in a plastic bag
+jesus christ
+--- 57981870
+>>57981802
+Its fake, but not much less disgusting than most of the frozen goyslop at the grocery store
+--- 57984646
+>>57980904
+
+"protein-blasted" uh oh when you see that it is made in San Fransciso.
+--- 57985514
+>>57980915
+No, it's pretty real, you've clearly never been to a thrift shop in San Francisco.
+--- 57985532
+>>57985514
+Obvious Plant are 'real fakes.' This dude actually makes these products and shelves them at stores.
+--- 57985564
+>>57980847 (OP)
+I'm tempted to report this for having nothing to do with weapons, but honestly it's better than another 50,000 threads on Ukraine and Russia that I'm just gonna enjoy it. What do the Chinkoids use for MREs anyway?
+--- 57985571
+>>57985532
+I hear they're partnered with Taurus.
+--- 57985595
+>>57985564
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n96m5lB8nzA&pp=ygUQc3RldmVtcmUgY2hpbmVzZQ%3D%3D [Embed]
+--- 57985686
+>>57985571
+new mora just dropped
+--- 57986079
+>>57980904
+This is fake.
+--- 57986122
+>>57980895
+It's probably a gag gift
+--- 57986135
+>>57985564
+>What do the Chinkoids use for MREs anyway?
+Rancid pork that nearly killed an MRE autist who eats MREs decades past expiry from real people countries.
+--- 57986138
+>>57985514
+Lol what weird "toy"
+--- 57987461
+>>57986079
+wow anon, you're a fucking genius. What gave it away?
+--- 57987520
+>>57980904
+"SERVES 3 MEN" always gets me
+--- 57987715
+>>57987520
+MAN SIZED PORTIONS
+--- 57987750
+>>57986079
+I'm telling Davis you said that
+--- 57987918
+Uh, weapons?
+--- 57990531
+>>57987918
+Davis has one for sure.
+--- 57990675
+>>57987918
+Heat Coin is a dangerous item
+--- 57990695
+>>57987750
+He'll come to you!

k/57980861.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,235 @@
+-----
+--- 57980861
+Any battlecruiser fans on /k/?
+--- 57980933
+>>57980861 (OP)
+>wargaming
+--- 57981012
+>>57980933
+I can't switch to warthunder i have 1500 hours on wows and i have all the italian ships in the game that i managed to get without spending a single cent. Too much effort, too much time, i don't want to do it again on another game
+--- 57981047
+>>57981012
+no one said play WT. WT is just as bad if not worse in many ways. But Wargaming is an even shittier company
+--- 57981053
+best class
+--- 57981077
+They were a dead end.
+--- 57981088
+>>57981077
+Ugh, what could have been...
+--- 57981895
+>>57980861 (OP)
+Yes
+--- 57982706
+>>57981077
+Arguably, fast battleships were just an extension of the battlecruiser concept.
+--- 57982725
+>>57980861 (OP)
+>Any battlecruiser fans on /k/?
+Sure. I luurrves me some Iowa's
+--- 57983149
+>>57982706
+WW2 should have gone with super-dreadnoughts and battlecruisers instead of fast battleships.
+--- 57983523
+>>57983149
+Arguably could have if Pearl Harbor hadn't happened and removed the dreadnought battle line as an option in the Pacific.Though the nature of boiler and turbine improvements in the interwar years meant speeds were going to increase to fast battleship levels regardless. The main reason you see dreadnoughts and dreadnought armored cruisers/battlecruisers in WWI is because the boilers were just not as efficient at that point, so ships required a lot more of them to reach those higher speeds. A smaller but also important factor, many ships were still coal fired going in to WWI, and many of those that did come out of the yards running on oil had been a compromise to be able to store and run on either fuel, or originally designed for coal but swapped to oil late in the design process. Carrier supremacy is honestly overstated though due to the American experience in the Pacific, whereas battleships, even old ones, remained important in both the Med and the North Sea.
+--- 57983537
+>>57981053
+--- 57983811
+>>57980861 (OP)
+I'm not going back to wow. The daily grind burned me out
+--- 57983820
+>>57981077
+They were really fucking asking for it with that name anyway.
+--- 57983843
+>>57983811
+it's leagues better than wot. i managed to grind two whole branches in less than a week, with free premium, exp bonuses etc. none of that shit exist in world of tanks, or at least it ued tobe that way. took me years before i could get my first tier 10 tank (i'm f2p).
+i left wot years ago because it was a farce, wows sucks but at least the ship models are gorgeous
+--- 57983924
+>>57983811
+Don't grind. Buy ONE premium ship you like the most and play noting but that, it's much better that way.
+--- 57983944
+>>57983924
+I did, I got burned out anyway. Granted, if it wasn't 60gb I probably would've kept it installed but I have other shit I want to put on my pc
+--- 57983958
+>>57980863
+it's nice that brits get to see their navy again
+--- 57983981
+>>57983944
+Also, the change to carriers pissed me off to no end. I liked how it used to be like a mini-RTS, not what it is now.
+--- 57984026
+>>57983811
+Enjoy being sub food
+>>57980861 (OP)
+Funny how the battlecruiser outlived the battleship and proved itself the superior ship type.
+--- 57984138
+>>57980861 (OP)
+Fuckhuge ships were obsolete before WWII even started, but the political dickswinging still pushed towards bigger ships. It doesn't matter how you call them: heavy cruisers, battlecruisers, pocket battleships, you name it, they were still a lot of eggs in one single basket that could be swiftly lost by misfortune, retardness, or proper enemy action.
+
+Still, I mained BBs in WoWS, before I burned out. The announcement of the big CV rework broke the camel's back. Fuck WG really. And fuck Gaijin too for being even worse.
+--- 57984213
+>>57980861 (OP)
+war thunder not only is a horrible inhuman grind - way worse than WoW, the naval gameplay in it is just horrible and un-fun. 
+its pretty much a completely unplayable game.
+i never paid a cent in World of Warships and i got almost all countries and all ships - im showered with free bonuses, free premium account, battle pass etc.
+
+Also, every time i hear my Satsuma fire her guns, i get an erection.
+--- 57984615
+Honorary battlecruiser.
+--- 57984725
+Forgotten hope, and dreadnought admirals is only good naval games
+--- 57984846
+I miss Navyfield
+--- 57984859
+>>57980861 (OP)
+I like battlecruisers, but I prefer armored cruisers and dreanoughts.
+--- 57984872
+>>57984846
+Don't worry, NF2 is right around the corner.
+--- 57984907
+>>57984872
+--- 57985037
+>>57984846
+You and me both anon ;_;
+High-angling in CL/CA rooms, and running half AA half high-angle AP in CL/CA/BB and all welcome rooms in the Atlanta and Oakland was stupid hilarious fun
+--- 57985043
+>>57984138
+>Heavy cruisers
+Remained in service for decades after as carrier escorts, and modern "destroyers" are rapidly approaching them in size
+>Pocket Battleships
+Just a scary term for the particularly well armed heavy cruisers Germany was fielding at the time
+>Battlecruisers
+Became outdated as a classification once true fast battleships were possible.
+
+Regardless of whatever reformer myths you may believe, large ships are much more capable than the amount of small ships you can build for the same price. Most of the time, the systems needed for a ship to do its job require a certain displacement to even fit. That means things like radar systems, sonar, and power plants. 
+Then you also have to factor in range. A 900 ton missile boat may be fine for coastsl defense, but if you try to use it out at sea you'll be stuck cruising at abysmally low speeds and you'll have to refuel constantly.
+--- 57985267
+>>57985037
+I really enjoyed the French stuff, the AA was cracked. German was a lot of fun too, the range on the BBs was unreal
+
+Z99s dominated blitz rooms forever, AW Nelsons and POWs with quads were a laugh in GB.
+
+God I am so fucking old
+--- 57985277
+>>57980861 (OP)
+A battlecruiser MUST have less armor than any peer battleship, but MUST have larger or more numerous guns than any of it's peer cruisers.
+--- 57985293
+>>57981012
+OmG sAp bad WhYcAnT wE HAvE HE
+--- 57985294
+>>57983149
+Why is there a little plane with it? Where does the Shmarmhorse land???
+--- 57985313
+>>57985294
+>>57984615
+--- 57985349
+>>57984213
+Fuck you star faggot. 
+You should have to earn that gun sound by getting enough steel to buy Shikishima. Fucking power creep bullshit
+--- 57985368
+>>57985294
+What do you think the floats on the plane and the crane near the hangar are for?
+--- 57985494
+>>57981012
+Wows is a much better ship game than WT right now, and probably for the rest of time. Gaijew cares little for the naval portion of the game and probably only keeps it around because pay pigs will play it
+--- 57985501
+>>57981053
+Why are they like this
+--- 57985632
+>>57984026
+>Enjoy being sub food
+I unlocked subs before I quit so I have some of my own. Maybe one day I'll go back
+--- 57985703
+>>57983811
+I was having fun but the carrier update plus a stint of horrendous matchmaking made me quit. My winrate was so bad for a week it shouldnt have been possible even if I was torping teammates every game
+--- 57985936
+Worst game mode in War Thunder
+--- 57986913
+>>57985277
+>A battlecruiser MUST have less armor than any peer battleship, but MUST have larger
+Then what makes it not simply "next-generation heavy cruiser"?
+>more numerous guns
+no, because a Mogami-class cruiser is not a heavy cruiser
+
+I submit that a battlecruiser must have less armour than a peer battleship, must have battleship-class main armament, and must be intended to fight with battleships in a fleet engagement, otherwise it is merely a heavy cruiser
+--- 57986960
+>>57981047
+I gave up on WT after they "upgraded" the damage model so that 12.7s slice wings off like they are made of cardboard and sets them on fire, and now that any attempt to fly home with a partially destroyed wing just results in the same uncontrollable barrel roll
+--- 57987007
+>>57986913
+>no, because a Mogami-class cruiser is not a heavy cruiser
+They were post-1939
+--- 57987011
+>>57982725
+kys
+--- 57987103
+>>57987007
+In the context of the post, I meant its original 5x3 6" build
+--- 57987159
+>>57987103
+My bad, please enjoy this photo (or don't it's entirely up to you)
+--- 57987188
+>>57987159
+cheers
+--- 57987758
+>>57983523
+To my knowledge it was primarily logistical constraints that kept the standards out of the early war. There weren’t enough oilers to go around to keep them supplied in the western pacific, which is why you didn’t see any at Guadalcanal. Remember of the five most modern American dreadnaughts, only California and West Virginia were really knocked out at Pearl Harbor. Tennessee, Maryland, and Colorado only required relatively minor repairs or simply missed Pearl Harbor entirely.
+--- 57987820
+>>57987188
+Man, did these things just smell like sweat, piss, and shit when they were at their battlestations? Hopefully you can open one of those portholes and throw a bucket out, not sure what the upper tower fucks would do.
+2x as bad if they were stationed in the Pacific.
+--- 57987860
+>>57986960
+I'm trying to enjoy bombers and I just can't. You have no hope in a B29.
+--- 57988320
+>>57987820
+>Man, did these things just smell like sweat, piss...
+When I went aboard Lexington about a decade ago it still did. Texas was less definable but still no rose
+--- 57988561
+Well, they're really good in Ultimate Admiral.
+--- 57989243
+What surprised me is that battlecruisers were often larger and heavier than battleships. That only underscores the difference between a true battlecruiser and a heavier heavy cruiser.
+--- 57989254
+>>57986913
+>and must be intended to fight with battleships in a fleet engagement
+except the original designs werent, not really, they were intended to hunt cruisers, they were used in fleet actions but both the germansand british intended them t be used t cut the line f retreat in a fleet actin while the battle lines dueled
+--- 57989297
+Hallo.
+--- 57989305
+>>57989254
+>they were intended to hunt cruisers
+in a fleet action, as well as for trade protection
+
+>cut the line f retreat in a fleet actin while the battle lines dueled
+your "o" key is sticking, mate
+yes and no, the purpose of a "fast wing" in a fleet action wasn't just to chase down fleeing ship, but generally also to lend firepower to wherever it was needed
+in a fleet action, battlecruisers with their higher speeds could even choose to add their fire to the destroyer duel if they had nothing else to do - that is why they were equipped with quick-firing secondary batteries
+a fleet line of battle could be very long, but with their greater speeds fast ships could reposition faster
+--- 57989523
+>>57980861 (OP)
+Yeah
+--- 57990768
+>>57982706
+>>57989445
+I argue that Aircraft Carriers are the modern battlecruisers. They are large, fast capital ships capable of both fleet actions and presence in distant waters that rely more on active, vice passive defenses and do best when their main battery (strike fighters) outrange the enemy.
+--- 57990801
+>>57990768
+Aircraft carriers are battleships in that they destroy everything afloat
+
+Modern battlecruisers, it may be argued, are ships such as Kirov, Slava, maybe Type 55 which have a certain degree of defensive capability and massive firepower
+--- 57990875
+Weren’t battlecruisers just a cope for not being able to build battleships for whatever reason?
+--- 57991036
+>>57990801
+I actually would argue that the modern attack sub is the closest battlecruiser in that it's designed to dissuade enemy commerce raiders and patrols by being a terror to most things, but is capable of evading engagement by the things it doesn't overmatch. Sure, a battlecruiser might do it by speed instead of stealth, but the base concept is surprisingly similar.
+--- 57991083
+>>57990801
+I am thinking more along the lines of Jackie Fisher's concept of a capital ship that can control the engagement range and deal destruction at a distance. RN dreadnoughts were to be concentrated in Home waters against Germany, whereas battlecruisers could be used both with the Grand Fleet and in the colonies. The latter is a closer match to the employment of Aircraft Carriers.
+
+In a way, there are only two modern surface warships: battlecruisers and destroyers.
+--- 57991120
+>>57991036
+Hmm, interesting. The only quibble I have is that submarines do not do colonial presence missions, but I pretty much agree. SSN = battlecruiser, SSBN= battleship.
+
+>>57990875
+If you are talking about the runup to World War I, I think battleships and battlecruisers cost about the same to build, and the higher fuel consumption of battlecruisers may have made them more expensive to operate.

k/57981308.txt

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+-----
+--- 57981308
+Alright fellow poorfags, what's the verdict? Does it work?
+--- 57981336
+>>57981308 (OP)
+Played with the CD version for a while. Bolt is poorly constructed, pin locations intersected other festures snd the metallurgy was questionable. Furniture was dogshit. Ran ok, didn't keep it long enough to find out. Just get a 1301 or similar
+--- 57981347
+>>57981308 (OP)
+>Panzer Arms
+>German Henne
+>Made in Turkey
+LMAO
+--- 57981356
+>>57981336
+Got any semi-auto recommendations under $1000? Non-hunting spec.
+--- 57981375
+>>57981308 (OP)
+All the various M4 turkish knockoffs are perfect.
+Yes, they are the perfect platform to practice malfunction clearing on an M4. A real M4 will almost never actually jam so you either fake a malfunction in order to train with it or you're going to not train in the first place which is dumb. 
+So yeah, buy one for 200 dollars and practice away till it breaks in a couple dozens round. 
+No price is too high to pay for good training.
+--- 57981376
+>>57981356
+Beretta A300 Ultima patrol looks promising.
+--- 57981379
+>>57981356
+Beretta A300 or mossberg 940
+--- 57981386
+>>57981376
+>>57981379
+Personally I got an italian made 1301 since I didn't want to wait to see if Beretta USA managed to unfuck their QC. If no fuckup emerges I'll buy one.
+--- 57981393
+>>57981376
+>>57981379
+A300, okay. I like the look of that and certainly Beretta. Is the Ultima patrol not released yet? I'm not quite ready to purchase yet so I can wait a few months but I don't want to much longer than that.
+--- 57981627
+>>57981393
+IIRC it should already be on sale. Good luck finding one tho
+--- 57981642
+>>57981627
+Yeah I checked every LGS in my city and none in stock, that's why I asked. Fucking hell. It's a tad over my preferred budget but it looks like I'm going to have to pay for a quality semi-auto, no other way around it. I've already spent $2k on guns this year but it is what it is. 
+>mfw thinking about no stock
+--- 57981715
+any thoughts on the sauer sl5? its made in italy and under a 1000
+
+unfortunately weatherby and some other companies are using turkish companies for their products. i have a girsan 312 in the shop, it is ok but can sell them at around 350-400, havent had an rma on those yet so thats good
+--- 57983599
+>>57981715
+>german sauer
+>made in italy
+Wut? Why the fuck are the wops buying every company under the sun?
+--- 57984672
+>>57983599
+not sure, but it seems all shotgun are either made armscor, italy, china, or turkey. kinda sucks, american made stuff is mostly assembled in mexico and shit i think. even the winchester sxp and the mossberg over unders are turkish
+--- 57984825
+Party pooper here to complain about why none of these fuckers will make the copy we want most.
+--- 57984916
+>>57981336
+>ran ok
+>but I have a laundry list of complaints that are based on nothing
+Lol
+--- 57984934
+>>57984825
+God what I'd give. Is there still a patent on it or something?
+--- 57984957
+>>57984934
+>expensive
+>kinda complicated for everyday jackass
+>heavy as all fuck
+
+its an ok gun but as far as shotgun go there are far better options, like the benelli m3. it does look cool as shit and is iconic so i would buy one if the price was right
+--- 57984973
+>>57984957
+Plenty of guns are not great but iconic and get copies that sell well. Just wondering why the most iconic shotgun ever doesn't have one.
+--- 57984985
+>>57984934
+>>57984957
+I'm not even asking for the Pump/Auto functionality. I'd take one that's pump-only but is otherwise identical just to satisfy several decades of fawning over it in media
+--- 57986712
+>>57984916
+I mean he's bitching about the furniture which is pfffff
+--- 57986720
+god damn even cz shotguns are made in turkey
+
+both the 712 and 1012 line, wtf man
+--- 57986961
+I dont have any experience with Panzer specifically, but I do have a good bit of experience with turkish 12 gauges. 
+In my opinion, they're simply okay. Would still take my shockwave over the bullpup for home defence any day, though. Not that the turkish ones are bad, but because I know that the mossberg is not. 
+I've got roughly 2k shells in the bullpup and somewhere around 1500 in the lever action. Both turkish. No real issues yet, but a couple of failures to eject with the bullpup, but that's rare, and if its worth anything, its only been with low brass shells. 
+
+Tl;dr: good guns if you wanna have a lot of fun with some cheap bird shot, but personally I wouldnt trust one to function as needed, when needed, for any other reason. Just spend the extra money, it's worth it to know you've got good shit.
+--- 57987729
+>>57984916
+>>57986712
+Why not just buy your poorfag cope M4 since you've already decided that it's Justasgood (tm)?
+--- 57989515
+>>57987729
+>Waaàahhhhh

k/57981602.txt

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+-----
+--- 57981602
+Hogleg edition
+
+Git gud guide: https://bayfiles.com/96M9Ec9eue/
+Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik
+
+Previous: >>57972724 →
+--- 57981907
+Springfield Emissary .45
+Y/N? Otherwise what's the best 1911 I can get for 1k or less?
+--- 57982442
+>>57981602 (OP)
+The long barrel is gross
+--- 57982849
+>>57981907
+Unironically colt series 70
+--- 57983269
+>>57982849
+You mean the Competition? That is pretty sexy.
+--- 57983339
+Just bought the LTT USP .45. 1840 for a gun with no magazines (ban state).
+--- 57983433
+>>57981602 (OP)
+Jericho in 9mm or .45 and why
+--- 57983481
+>>57983433
+9mm because you will never be as cool as Spike Spiegel anyway
+--- 57983490
+Big German Guns
+--- 57983545
+>>57983481
+But I already have a Jericho in 9, .45 might be nice.
+--- 57983557
+>>57983339
+So it was $1,040 on top of the gun for an RD cut? Seems not worth it when I built a Match for $1,400.
+--- 57983615
+>>57983339
+>USP with optics
+God bless LTT for doing HK's job. Though I feel it's only a matter of time before HK finally decided to do it themselves now that their is genuine profit to be potentially made
+--- 57983687
+>>57983545
+Why do you want 2 9mm Jerichos?
+--- 57983752
+>>57983339
+I'm a little disappointed that their USP work doesn't even include the option of modifying the rail to work with M1913 accessories.
+--- 57983775
+I have given up.
+I am going to daily carry a Hi-Point 45.
+--- 57983781
+>>57983752
+For that price it’d be cool if they machined it into an actual rail.
+--- 57983817
+>>57983557
+The gun was 1579, 100 under the MSRP. The upgrade includes the optic cut and trigger job. Plus only 50 of them are being made. Lipsey’s dudes said the upgrade package is around 500
+
+1840 was after taxes and fees
+--- 57983834
+>>57983817
+Yeah sorry I love HK and have a USP .45 that I overpayed for as well but you massively overpayed, like there’s $600 there totally unaccounted for in cost.
+--- 57983856
+>>57983834
+I just got a 33k higher paying job so it’s okay, like I’m going from 57 to 90
+--- 57983864
+>>57983856
+Just because you can, doesn't mean you should let yourself get fucked. That isn't even slightly overpaying, you got jewed hard.
+--- 57983875
+>>57983864
+Just let me cope like every other USP owner
+--- 57983901
+>>57983687
+1 compact for carry 1 full size for range toy/3gun
+--- 57983904
+>>57983856
+Whatever floats your boat guy, I’m just trying to get you your money’s worth.
+--- 57983909
+>>57983901
+Just carry a full size like a man
+--- 57983973
+>>57983909
+I'm not against it. I only worry about printing in my hyper blue state. Discomfort isn't a problem but I'd be lying to say this isn't tempting
+--- 57984029
+>>57983973
+anon the grip size matters a lot more than the slide length. below a certain length it could just look like your dong is printing, that's not the case with a weird horizontal change in topography across your belly. You either have to make that work (depends on body type) or shove the grip into your waist line.
+--- 57984048
+>>57984029
+Solution is to just get really fat and go for the fat guy with giant dong look
+--- 57984067
+>>57984029
+I'm not a minority, I shoulder carry not appendix. I'd benefit from a compact and I'd assume .45 is a good round to carry (trying to not sound Fudd is hard)
+
+>inb4 shoulder is meme
+I drive a lot and shoulder is kino
+--- 57984075
+>>57983973
+hello fellow blue shithole friend
+--- 57984083
+>>57984075
+Helo fren, may one day we can speak pews comfortably.
+--- 57984272
+>>57984083
+Hope so. I like your jericho, but I love my USP 45 even with the stupid 10rd mags. It hurts extra because the standard mags are only 12 lol. I didn't know they made Jerichos in 45
+--- 57984388
+Would you say a CZ 75 B for $600 is a fair price or nah?
+--- 57984405
+>>57984388
+There are stores honestly trying to get $800 for a 75B. $600 is fair and may actually be below typical price since they seem to be around $650 last I checked.
+--- 57984417
+love me wheelgats
+--- 57984680
+>>57984272
+They come in a couple calibers but some more common than others. 9mm, .40sw, .45, and the extinct .41AE 
+
+I think imma ball and get the .45, might as well have my magazine limited to caliber size than beauracy.
+--- 57984764
+>>57984388
+If they're going for more than $500 id probably recommend going up to one of the fancier varieties.
+--- 57984847
+>>57983904
+Baste literallyaMatch enjoyer trying to steer a lad straight
+--- 57984937
+>>57983904
+It’s already done.
+
+You will never be a compensator. You have no active recoil compensation, no gas redistribution, you are a steel weight corrupted by bubba’s delusions. You have rearward lightning cuts twisted into a mockery of gas ports. Etc
+--- 57984976
+>>57984937
+but bro hk parts said it was a compensator!!!
+--- 57984995
+>>57984976
+No the company “Match Weight” said it was a compensator.
+--- 57985109
+>>57984937
+>No it's not a compensator because....it just isn't!
+It compensates for recoil poor :^)
+--- 57985131
+>>57985109
+it compensates for poor recoil management :^|
+--- 57985146
+>>57984388
+new ehh ok i wouldnt but its not horrible
+used no
+--- 57985157
+>>57985131
+>it compensates for poor recoil management
+So a normal compensator then
+--- 57985291
+>>57984417
+Beautiful, I have the same Python. I absolutely love it, can't wait to take it back to the range
+--- 57985434
+>>57985157
+post the top of it, is this the completely open one that isn't a compensator or is this a different model?
+--- 57985437
+>>57985291
+I'm very happy with mine so far. Supremely smooth action and clearances. I've yet to polish it but I'm pretty sure Mothers mag polish would work fine. Waiting on a hogue hardwood grip to come in the mail before I take it to the range again and zero the harrison sights. I've kind of beat up the target grips just from ejecting rounds and I'd like to take them off and store them before it gets any worse.
+--- 57985475
+>>57985434
+It's the fully enclosed one with vents on the top
+--- 57985547
+>>57985475
+Not >>57983904
+He has no vents. He has a 6 inch extended barrel so the muzzle is flush with the end of the weight.
+--- 57985580
+>>57985475
+Source? That company doesn't make one with ports does it? And even if it was enclosed with holes on top it doesn't have baffles which are the part of a compensator that actually does work
+--- 57985600
+I can't wait to shoot this little plastic sneeder. I'm the tiniest bit disappointed with it, coming from a Dan Wesson (action is slightly smoother with the DW... but I'll reevaluate once I've got a few thousand rounds down the pipe of the C2), but that may be because my expectations were probably in the $5k Atlas range instead of the $2k semicustom range. That said, the fitting is pretty spectacular. Nothing rattles at all. The trigger is great. I'm gonna shoot it tomorrow.
+--- 57985675
+What is the actual point of buying multiple full sized handguns? You can't conceal them. Don't bullshit me, literally nobody is carrying a 30-40oz metal frame pistol every single day. Stop being retarded and get a micro autoloader or a j frame and sell off your stupid ass jerichos, usps, 1911s and CZs etc. Stop wasting money on guns meant for cops and soldiers with duty holsters
+--- 57985696
+>>57985547
+Oh no I was meaning to reference >>57984976
+Because HK parts has a rail comp, but year I don't think match weight has comps just weights
+--- 57985698
+>>57985675
+>You can't conceal them. Don't bullshit me, literally nobody is carrying a 30-40oz metal frame pistol every single day
+Yeah, about that...
+--- 57985707
+will a 9mm 1911 barrel work in a star bm why not
+I’m trying to find a retarded way to suppress one
+--- 57985724
+9mm is too expensive what 22 pistol should I get for a range toy?
+--- 57985738
+>>57985675
+--- 57985744
+>>57985738
+I’m practicing deeper concealment since my new job is anti gun or at least will enforce it
+--- 57985749
+>>57985600
+I still can't believe that somebody saw a Recover Tactical grip and made it into an actual gun that's supposed to look like that
+--- 57985767
+>>57985724
+I want a phoenix arms HP22A range kit for the Saturday special vibes and extra barrel
+--- 57985770
+>>57985744
+How are you even going to remotely grab that
+--- 57985822
+>>57985770
+I’ll work that out later but it is my god given right to carry a full-size.
+--- 57985851
+>>57985770
+Normally you'd push your fingers in the empty pocket below the mag and push them laterally so they're over the grip and then draw but there's next to no space especially with the mag not being flush.
+
+>>57985744
+Anon... having a grip safety with deep concealment is asking for trouble. It will already be difficult as it is to just get out but on top of that you will need to have a good grip which is difficult.
+--- 57985862
+>>57985744
+Assuming that Karen from HR isn't actively leering at people's crotches on the off chance that bulge is a gun and not a colostomy bag, surely tucking your shirt in over your ligma would be sufficient
+--- 57985873
+>You haven't taken the time to research how far holster and concealment has come. When you apply proper leverage to your holster and belt using the necessary concealment aids, you can conceal pretty much any handgun. And because leverage is the main mechanism at work, a larger gun is easier to achieve this goal with.
+Is this true?
+--- 57985894
+>>57985851
+My finger groove grips will lock my hand in a proper grip.
+--- 57985911
+>>57985873
+Yes
+--- 57985960
+>>57981907
+The Emissary, Ronin, and Garrison guns all have pretty poor quality control in my experience. Expect a good chance of having to tune it or send it back for service. If you can find an older Loaded or Range Officer model, you'll be better off. Also consider just ordering one of the Bul Armory or Magnum Research 1911s, you can get them around $800 and they're fucking great for the price, if you can get over the fact that they're made by the heebs. Either way, go Government instead of Commander, if you want something with the best chance of being reliable.
+--- 57985963
+You guys should purchase items from Langdon Tactical if you're a Beretta owner or own any HK firearms
+Oh and I should mention they have neat merch!
+--- 57985965
+>>57985873
+sorta, but eventually you end up getting a big boy job where you can’t wear baggy tee shirts all day, and at that point attempting to conceal a full size feels fucking retarded
+--- 57985979
+>>57985744
+so stop being fucktarded and get a smaller gun
+--- 57985996
+>>57985979
+Did I hear “get a Glock 20 and cut down the grip to accept Glock 29 magazines”?
+--- 57986007
+>>57985724
+6" 10 shot S&W Model 17. No question
+--- 57986021
+>>57985996
+No. Get a LCP 2.0 or a glock 43 or a model 642. Mongrel retard
+--- 57986025
+>>57986021
+Capacity is king nigger
+--- 57986028
+>>57983545
+Seriously jealous of your wrap. You do that yourself?
+--- 57986042
+>>57985963
+I HATE RDO
+I HATE RDO
+I HATE RDO
+--- 57986058
+>>57986025
+No it isn't. You are a delusional tactitard. 5-7 rounds is more than enough. Odds are you will literally never even draw your CC anyway, why the fuck would you make it as annoying as possible just to brag on the internet?
+--- 57986104
+are harrys holsters good
+--- 57986120
+>>57986058
+It is though?
+--- 57986124
+>>57985894
+They will also make it more difficult to acquire a grip when drawing. You seriously haven't tried this with your belt cinched down? When I've tried with docker shorts it's fine because they're loose enough I can pull the waistline out of the way. As a fellow Berettabro I must warn you this is giving me major ngmi vibes. You should watch phlster's video on this topic, some other anon was going crazy a few weeks ago about this and I found it very informative.
+
+I'd suggest different pants that you can get out of the way easier and also suggest getting something with a short grip like a shield plus or P30sk though its trigger will be a serious step down from what you're used to.
+--- 57986161
+>>57986007
+agreed but 4" 617
+--- 57986172
+>>57984417
+Do I spy snakeshot or snap caps in the chrome one
+--- 57986203
+>>57985960
+That is so disappointing to hear.
+I guess I will look at the Colt Competition and the Jew 1911.
+--- 57986258
+>>57986124
+In all seriousness I will be likely carrying my CSX or Combat Master (either hammer down or half cock)
+--- 57986278
+>>57986120
+Virtually all muggings/carjackings/random acts of violence are over in three shots in a few seconds. Why even bother preparing for the tiny remote possibility it's not enough? If you're going into the hood or live in a minority rich zone okay sure, carry 17 rounds against your dick, but it's still probably going to be over in less than 10 unless a whole gang of youths with glocks decide to single you out and get into a prolonged gunfight in the street
+--- 57986317
+>>57985724
+Do you have a soilencer?
+
+>>57985873
+Unless you are fat
+--- 57986405
+>>57986278
+i carry a full size gun because i work security at the biggest mass shooter target within 200 miles. i carry a reload, too, because who the fuck knows what the incels are going to do next?
+--- 57986422
+>guns have finally arrived
+
+Day 1 of waiting for the second package containing the slides.
+--- 57986432
+>>57986422
+Is there laws against that?
+--- 57986465
+>>57986432
+I've been told there is, postal refuses don't allow guns, but gun parts are okay, so half a gun is "not a gun".
+
+Not a bad idea in a nogunz country anyway, if a package gets lost, you don't have a complete gun in the wild. Ammo also gets sent separately from any gun part.
+--- 57986551
+>>57986465
+Oh you’re not in the US? 
+
+I get guns sent by USPS all the time, I was wonder since just dealing with frames or lowers circumvent handgun/gun waiting periods since they’re legally not a complete gun, instead of waiting 2 weeks you walk out the door with it same day.
+--- 57986730
+>>57986551
+Nope, it's only because of the shitty postal service that won't allow guns, and also because they "lose" truckloads of packages. Putting a gun and ammo in the same package is a terrible idea.
+--- 57986753
+>>57981907
+Auto Ordnance
+--- 57986781
+>>57986753
+--- 57986856
+>>57986258
+Yeah that makes a lot more sense. Definitely consider how your clothing is set up too because a tight belt like that will stop the draw
+--- 57986901
+>>57986856
+Well my idea was the tight belt on the grip masks it from printing completely. I might dress professionally with a button up and shit where the long front of the shirt already impedes the draw considerably. The new place is probably safer than my current place so the likely hood of needing it is less.
+--- 57986909
+>>57986781
+and?
+--- 57986956
+>>57986781
+I want one of these or any Trump .45 ACP gun
+--- 57986999
+>>57986901
+The belt will make it very difficult to draw since you will need to add your fingers between the grip and belt somehow. On looser shorts I can do this easily. With a belt I can't do deep concealment.
+--- 57987084
+>>57985600
+based choice fren
+--- 57987236
+>>57986956
+Yeah it's kind of kino
+--- 57987320
+>>57983490
+This looks like utter dogshit. I want one.
+--- 57987385
+delicious za'
+--- 57987683
+Ladies & Gentlemen, The CZ P-01 Omega
+--- 57987728
+>>57987683
+>omemega trigger
+why
+--- 57987793
+>>57987683
+omegma balls
+--- 57987798
+I want it
+--- 57987857
+Is the p320 xten as bad as the p320?
+I'm looking for a basic 10mm to carry around innawoods and just have. Already had a Glock 20 before.its ok but I don't like the ergos and trigger
+--- 57987931
+>>57987857
+>its ok but I don't like the ergos and trigger
+skill issue
+--- 57987949
+>>57987931
+Also boredom.. wouldn't mind something metal and different
+--- 57987965
+>>57987683
+More like, the CZ P-01 SMEGMA.
+--- 57987978
+>>57985109
+>p...poor!
+It's a usp, it's like $600.
+--- 57988000
+>>57987683
+Ligma
+--- 57988011
+>>57987949
+DW Kodiak
+--- 57988126
+stop making fun of the omega trigger you guys you're being really mean
+--- 57988307
+>>57983490
+I need to get a match weight for the 45
+--- 57988321
+>>57981602 (OP)
+It has been quite some time since I was at this overlook for photos.
+--- 57988352
+>>57988126
+Omega. Very far from Alpha status.
+--- 57988424
+Fuck.
+Talk me out of getting a CZ Shadow 2 Orange
+Please
+--- 57988463
+>>57988424
+As a colorblind person I can't help but appreciate that they label the gun with what color it is so that I can tell it apart from the other ones.
+--- 57988618
+I thought to check this new H9 slide on a whim compared to the old one and yep, it's starting to ding after a few dozen dry fires.
+--- 57988639
+>>57985675
+>53oz
+--- 57988656
+>>57988618
+my phone rang and the person on the other end just said "seven days" and hung up
+what mean
+--- 57988702
+>>57988656
+Have you ever wanted to be a father to a strange autistic girl? Because I have good news for you.
+--- 57988707
+>>57988656
+You're fucked, kiddo.
+--- 57988710
+>>57988618
+>that horror ending
+--- 57988723
+>>57988702
+Yes
+Tell me about it
+--- 57988737
+>>57988656
+Oh thank God. It's moved on to you.
+--- 57988960
+Pickup a Wheel Gun!
+--- 57988961
+I want a 10mm...
+--- 57989000
+stealth hunter for pure aesthetic
+--- 57989038
+Do Mec-Gar Smith & Wesson 59xx magazines work in Star Model 28/30/31s? The factory S&W mags supposedly work fine but it sounds like "aftermarket" ones may not.
+
+Also are Checkmate 2011 magazines justasgood as Staccato?
+--- 57989102
+>>57988961
+got u covered f a m no need to thank me
+--- 57989123
+Is there a product I can buy to restore the finish on my pistol?
+>retarded moron
+>bough a $500 RIA 9mm single stack 1911
+>cheap piece of shit beater gun
+>i would only use my perfect fine-tuned revolver anyway, in any situation
+>first time taking apart a semiauto
+>intentionally let it rust in a swamp all winter because fuck it why not
+>gave it a coat of PB blaster to see how well it stops rust
+>seems effective
+>go to take 1911 apart
+>align slide stop with wrong notch
+>tried to strongarm the slide stop out
+>tried to pry it and ruined a few tools
+>cut my hands up bloody
+>worst of all, fucked up the finish on the gun by the time I took it out
+>gun's finish is cheap to begin with
+>want to practice gunsmithing by restoring the finish once I remove the winter rust
+>what's the best way to fix a scratched up finish?
+--- 57989249
+>>57988737
+kys namefgt
+--- 57989274
+>>57989123
+
+just get it cerakoted. you'll end up fucking around trying a million things touch it up, and none of them will match.
+
+find a local place and cerakote it. will last better than any factory finish too.
+--- 57989281
+>>57989123
+Got some idiot scratches on my 1911 as well. I keep them to remind me of my fuck ups. I can disassemble / clean / reassemble super quick and efficient now.
+--- 57989306
+>>57989123
+Retarded moron is a good description of what I just read 
+
+Like I turn into a fucking ape when things don’t work right but I’ve never fucked anything up that bad.
+
+There are several DIY things you can do, the good old Krylon, Nickel Plating, other plating. Or paying someone to cerakote it. Theoretically you could do cerakote yourself but it’s so incredibly toxic you should let someone else do it and face all the risks while you play video games and drink beer
+--- 57989319
+>>57989274
+>just pay someone else to do it
+I'm sorry, the whole point of this gun is that it's a DIY adventure to increase my skill rating. Not to cost me money and teach me nothing.
+
+>cerakoted will make it look good
+I don't care how it looks, I want it functional. And I want to keep rust out. So how do I DIY the scratches off? I don't care if it ends up looking ugly. That's the point of this gun.
+
+>>57989306
+What's the best DIY method, preferably as least toxic as possible?
+--- 57989334
+>>57989319
+>What's the best DIY method, preferably as least toxic as possible?
+black sharpie
+--- 57989354
+>>57989319
+Nickel plating is easy for small parts but for larger ones it’s harder. It can be done DIY but requires a bit of skill/effort to properly prep the gun. You have to remove all of the previous finish
+--- 57989380
+>>57989334
+Kek
+
+>>57989354
+I just want to fix a couple scratches. I would rather take the finish off in the local spot, not on the entire part. However, I don't mind attemping electrochemical plating. I just know I'm far too dumb and I WILL fuck it up...
+--- 57989398
+>>57985675
+okay retard
+--- 57989402
+>>57989380
+Is your gun parkerized?
+--- 57989416
+>>57989402
+>parkerized?
+I'm sorry anon I don't know what that word means. I have less than 90 IQ.
+--- 57989418
+>>57989380
+I think at this point you around just roll w8th it and scratch retarded shit on the finish like "get smoked"
+--- 57989420
+>>57988961
+buy one 
+i want a b&t usw for my g40 i replaced with m&p 
+10mm is so neat !
+--- 57989439
+>>57989418
+>scratch retarded shit on the finish like "get smoked"
+I'm 0.5cm away from doing this
+--- 57989462
+>>57989416
+It means if it can take pictures of spiderman
+--- 57989468
+>Sig 365 V Crown 115 grain JHP
+Guys wtf I thought this stuff was supposed to be good? I've barely carried this for maybe a couple months and I'm just now noticing how squashed the bullets are getting.
+
+Would this make it more likely for malfunctions, specifically failures to feed? Also, is this ammo just trash besides it being Sig
+--- 57989498
+I guess I'm making the best of a bad situation. Good thing I bought this 1911 with my credit card so I don't have to pay for it
+--- 57989514
+>>57989498
+All told this is the best outcome
+--- 57989522
+>>57989468
+>Sig
+--- 57989524
+>>57989498
+I hereby dub your gun "Prosecution's delight"
+--- 57989534
+>>57989524
+Is it really any worse than the people gltgat get grim reaper grips and shit?
+--- 57989538
+>>57989468
+You're suppose to put the sinking bullets in a P320 and then play extreme hot potato with your friends!
+--- 57989563
+Give me the God’s honest truth. How does 45 ACP out of a 5” barrel’s ballistics compare to 9mm (also out of a 5” barrel)? I’m thinking about my first 1911 and don’t know if I should stick with what I already have, 9mm, or branch out into 45. I guess I should be considering 10mm as well
+--- 57989573
+>>57989524
+>>57989534
+>Prosecution's delight
+Actually, I'm in a no-gun state and I'm not supposed to have this gun. It's already illegal just because I have it whilst living in a Communist dystopia. Furthermore, this 1911 is just a practice gun to smith. I wouldn't use it IRL because I prefer my snubnose.
+
+>why do you think I hid it in a swamp?
+--- 57989600
+>>57989563
+.45 has more recoil. Almost twice as much. But the way it recoils is also a little different so it doesn't feel as bad as you would think from just a raw 2x increase.
+--- 57989606
+>>57989498
+>>57989599
+Witnessed
+--- 57989668
+Nice work. I'll be watching for when this shows up in an evidence photo.
+--- 57989705
+Picked up a tx22 yesterday. I'm going to try to get to the range tomorrow and try it out. It certainly feels pretty good in my hands.
+--- 57989711
+>>57986028
+Jericho anon here, I did do the wrapping myself. I am an aspiring knife maker so I'm practicing wrapping shit and I saw this photo float around somewhere on the interweebs and really digged it. Turns out it was a fallout mod. Feels great in the hand, I used black sting ray skin leather for the inserts and then leather straps that are usually used for kiradashis (smol weeb dagger) and some katanas (they usually use a silk called sageo but it's too thick for handgun pistol grips) whereas the leather is thin in profile and feels good in the hand.
+--- 57989722
+I also want a beater 1911.
+Taurus, RIA, or Girsan?
+--- 57989745
+>>57986317
+No and don’t intend to. This will be my second gun ever after a Glock 17.
+--- 57989747
+>>57989599
+based
+--- 57989750
+>>57989722
+>what should you get
+Get a Springfield Armory.
+>Taurus
+Please don't buy a T*urus. It's the worst gun brand I can name. Far worse than any other option. 
+>RIA
+RIA are made in the Phillipines, and you can tell they skimp on production quality. The finish scratches easily. The trigger, action, and mag release aren't that smooth. Despite the fact that you could smith any 1911, I recommend a 1911 which is actually worth your time.
+--- 57989756
+>>57989750
+Isn't Springfield Armory actually shitty and not exactly cheap?
+--- 57989761
+>>57989750
+As far as thirdies go, are pinoys better or worse than turkroaches?
+--- 57989765
+>>57989498
+>>57989573
+>>57989599
+one man cannot be so based. if I see you use a white paint pen I'm reporting you to the FBI though
+
+>>57989524
+kek
+--- 57989766
+>>57989722
+RIA or Tisa. Tisa could be found for 330 to 350 on PSA's website. Many anons swear by them as beater guns that run flawlessly with .45 Ball.
+--- 57989770
+>>57986007
+That defeats the purpose of choosing an inexpensive caliber. I want to be able to mag dump a target without spending $5 each time
+--- 57989812
+>>57989766
+Thanks. I will check out Tisas. The Night Stalker looks cool.
+>>57989750
+I have a nice 1911, I want something less nice for carry.
+--- 57989815
+>>57985600
+I got my hands on several of them recently and i was a bit disappointed.
+Its not that they were bad, but yeah, compared to a "cheaper" 1911 i didnt see how a second stack on the magazine merits twice the price. The triggers even felt the same as most 1911s i've fired, so i really dont get the hype.
+
+I might get one, someday, but im not exactly working out a budget for it right now.
+--- 57989816
+>>57989809
+>Mexican Level: Narco
+--- 57989826
+>>57989599
+HOLY BASED
+--- 57989830
+>>57985738
+>>57985744
+
+One day you are going to look back and realize how retarded you were in the the age of practical carry handguns.
+
+t. 92FS sucks after 8-14 hours in the summer heat.
+--- 57989840
+>>57987683
+>CZ
+>Omega varient
+>Patchouli
+>Hair bands
+>ying yang
+
+couldn't get anymore stereotypical CZ owner.
+--- 57989851
+>>57989765
+if he used a white paint pen the FBI would already know about him
+--- 57989859
+>>57989816
+>Mexican
+I'm actually white. I need to stop messing around with black magic.
+--- 57989868
+>>57987683
+Why did you put a shitty Bic lighter and your patchouli and shit here but not a knife?
+--- 57989871
+>>57989851
+maybe, but I'd rather have at least filed a report in case the thread or my IP ends up being displayed in court. then the blame is on the glowies
+--- 57989872
+>>57989812
+Not sure if this is a limited run but Tisa did a copy of the M45 
+https://www.gunbroker.com/item/983924727
+decent price IMO for a cheap railed 1911
+--- 57989883
+>>57989563
+>One was designed for shooting routing men on horses and other guys on horses.
+>The other was designed to shoot hordes of Commies zerg rushing Western Europe
+
+Ain't many horses these days compared to hordes of Commies.
+--- 57989896
+>>57989871
+>I would rather submit more reports to the FBI just in case
+>better report just in case
+You're like a modern feminist ruining the word "rape" by saying men can rape you with their eyes. All you're doing is giving the glowies bad information that their AI has to filter, lol. How many anons have you reported in the past year? I bet they have YOU filtered.
+
+>my IP ends up in one of these threads
+Your info is already on the darknet
+
+>my IP
+Shouldn't even be considered PII
+--- 57989903
+>>57989872
+I bought mine, Brand New, for 450 literally in peak covid panic sometime in the fall of 2020
+The only difference is the lanyard loop mainspring housing and FDE color.
+"decent price" my ass
+--- 57989912
+>>57989903
+>skate with me?
+You have problems with your head anon. Worse than mine.
+--- 57989914
+>>57989599
+>kinda baste NGL
+
+>>57989809
+Cringe. Get your ass to church Anon.
+--- 57989915
+>>57989903
+does it say RAIDER on it? Thought so furry bitch
+--- 57989923
+>>57989903
+wtf are you doing son
+--- 57989932
+Took my PDP to the range for the second time and did much better. end of blog
+--- 57989934
+>>57989903
+>needs a special type of screwdriver bit to even take the grip plates off
+Retarded as fuck
+--- 57989935
+>>57989915
+>RAIDER
+>NIGHT STALKER
+>META
+>RIVAL DARKSIDE
+What's with Turks and their fucking Shadow the Hedgeheg names for guns?
+--- 57989936
+>>57989914
+>>57989915
+>>57989923
+Morgan is my girlfriend and we're going to get married once she graduates, shut up
+--- 57989956
+>>57989851
+>AR chad vs Uzi virgin
+--- 57989970
+>>57989934
+>special type of screwdriver
+its called torx, boomer
+--- 57990002
+>>57989468
+It's more common than you'd think, most nonmilitary ammo will do that with enough repeated chamberings but it's bad to see that from defensive ammo which is typically crimped better to prevent that from happening, where cheap blasty ammo isn't. Hornady is infamous for this on their defensive ammo despite being a very reputable brand. No it's not trash yet but if it gets worse it can increase chamber pressure which is dangerous. I'd shoot that stuff off at the range and rotate new stuff in for carry, except that last round on the right he looks spicy. I would shoot him from a PCC or something more hardy than a short recoil handgun.
+
+>>57989498
+>>57989599
+Joker vibes
+--- 57990003
+Anyone own/fired a Kel-Tec P15? My LGS has one for $400 otd and I'm tempted, both my P17 and P32 have been flawless.
+--- 57990004
+>>57989896
+I've reported nobody but I'm also not going to condone faggots doing mass shootings. It was also a joke that you took seriously and somehow compared it to feminism and rape. I don't really follow any of your points, it seems like you replied just to dismantle a joke. Nobody cares if the FBI filters them.
+--- 57990014
+>>57989599
+King shit
+--- 57990015
+>>57990003
+Get one and report on it anon, I am chomping at the bit for the aluminum one
+--- 57990024
+>>57990003
+>>57990015
+
+ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER
+--- 57990029
+>>57989756
+Springfield Armory is a tier above RIA, and two tiers above Taurus
+
+>>57989761
+>which third world guns are best
+>BR vs Turkey vs PH
+I don't know. The only Turk gun I've ever owned was this absolute piece of shit Cathedral BossHog 12G """""semiauto"""". It was the worst piece of shit ever. Even if you use hot 1300+ load like Citadel says, the shotgun is still essentially a bolt-action. They also apparently explode in your face so I decided to give it to my retarded friend. It was better than the shitty Taurus pistol that he had. That pistol has fixed sights, which are crooked as fuck.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr98weArl0o [Embed]
+
+>>57989868
+>shitty Bic
+Why do you hate the French anon? BICs are great!!
+
+>>57990014
+>>57989826
+I'm still a wretched sinner
+--- 57990037
+>>57990000 →
+
+>>57990003
+so close but that shit gives me the 22lr glocknade vibes
+--- 57990055
+>>57989722
+Tisas, just look at the reviews people who have $1k-$2k 1911s are amazed at the quality of their $350 Tisas
+--- 57990093
+>>57990024
+>That one butterface girl with the 10/10 body and personality.
+--- 57990099
+>>57990004
+>but I'm also not going to condone faggots doing mass shootings
+Personally, my education suggests that mass shooters have something to do with the nature of humanity. Obviously, no one condones them except for those like them. They're usually ugly, twisted beasts. They hate the world, and the world hates them. They don't try to improve their situation, but always choose to escalate their perceived conflict with the world. Instead of harmony, they choose war.
+
+>is it their fault though
+COD MW2 has a mass shooting level where you shoot up a crowd of Russians in a real location using a machine gun. Take that as a very small example of the fact that our media already enables this. The retards on this site blame the glowies, but it's clearly pop culture turning faggots into killing machines. Basically every mass shooter plays violent games.
+--- 57990101
+Does anyone know where I can find a euro p2000?
+--- 57990105
+>>57990101
+Simpson Ltd had like 200 of them, they may still be trickling through
+--- 57990113
+>>57990101
+I wish I had one of those, not gonna lie. Those are all the rage in an anti-gun place.
+--- 57990116
+>>57990101
+Europe
+--- 57990125
+>>57990105
+Thank you Burt
+--- 57990135
+>>57990125
+Bonus neatness: they are Swiss police surplus and some have department crests and stuff
+--- 57990161
+would you notice any difference in recoil between a 4" barrel vs a 4.5" barrel
+--- 57990197
+>>57983752
+--- 57990203
+>>57990161
+yes, i'll be able to smell the difference in unburnt powder
+--- 57990206
+>>57990015
+If it's still there on Friday I'll snatch it up. I spent some time fiddling with it and it's comfortable to hold, the trigger feels good and it's noticably better looking in person, imo. I'm looking at this as a potential replacement for my G19 for carry.
+--- 57990225
+>>57989770
+It's a .22 retard. Look up model 617. It's a ten shot .22LR vs the six shot model 17
+--- 57990234
+>>57990225
+Don't call me a retard, you idiot.
+--- 57990268
+>>57990002
+>Joker vibes
+From the man namefagging on /k/, get a life Burt
+--- 57990326
+Guys would this stuff work in fixing the scratches on my retarded 1911?
+https://www.birchwoodcasey.com/products/spanish-super-blue-liquid-gun-blue-3-fl-oz.html
+--- 57990328
+>>57981907
+Colt 01911C
+--- 57990343
+>>57989766
+>Tisa 1911
+How does it compare against a Ruger SR1911?
+--- 57990354
+Ruger SR1911, based or cringe? Clout, or sus?
+--- 57990392
+>>57990161
+You'll notice a difference in recoil if you learn to grip the gun properly. Otherwise, your barrel length does not meaningfully affect recoil. 
+
+>>57990326
+Liquid blue tends to look like shit. Spring for a full refinish from somebody serious or just live with the scratches. 
+
+>>57990354
+what the fuck kind of zoomer bullshit brain damage talk is this
+--- 57990428
+>>57990392
+I think he's asking if it's a good 1911.
+--- 57990453
+>>57990428
+As good as a modern 1911 can be, I guess. You should only get a 1911 if you like the look of it- they're not practical handguns anymore because they're so outclassed in terms of weight, size, capacity and maintenance requirements (looking at you, hand-tuned extractors.) Don't let me tell you not to buy what you like, but there's no sense in carrying 8 rounds when you could carry 17 in a similarly sized handgun.
+--- 57990505
+Will this autozone shit "fix" the scratch on my pistol so that rust doesn't get in? 
+https://www.jegs.com/i/Chemical-Guys/857/SPI-402-16/10002/-1
+--- 57990515
+>>57990453
+>there's no sense in carrying 8 rounds when you could carry 17
+That's just anti-1911 cope. Besides, a doublestack 1911 can fit like 20 9mm rounds. Besides, the optimal mag size is about a 15 shot .45 mag anyway
+--- 57990546
+Is soaking a rusted part in isoprobyl for a night a good idea before cleaning it?
+--- 57990561
+>>57990546
+it's meant to evaporate so soaking it won't really do much, lemon juice might
+--- 57990582
+>>57990561
+>lemon juice might
+what about Coca Cola?
+--- 57990583
+>>57989038
+--- 57990602
+>>57990582
+actually neither might work fast enough to really make a difference. Just clean it with the rubbing alcohol tomorrow before cleaning.
+--- 57990603
+>>57989038
+Look up the Wesson 59xx series, as well as the Star Model whatever
+--- 57990608
+>>57990561
+>it's meant to evaporate
+I would obviously cover it
+--- 57990619
+>>57990608
+yeah but it's meant to clean and evaporate
+--- 57990716
+>>57990453
+A 1911 still has 8 rounds which is enough for personal defense. It's a very ergonomic and stable gun. And it's just cool and fun to shoot.
+--- 57990731
+If there was 1 handgun that could take a different handgun's magazines, what would it be?
+--- 57990750
+>>57990716
+>A 1911 still has 8 rounds which is enough for personal defense
+That's a common myth. Only the classic single stack 1911 models have 7-9 rds of .45 or 10-11 rds of 9mm (on a normal mag). There are many double stack 1911's which have the same capacity as the USP45 or more. I'm talking 15-20 rounds, depending if you're rocking .45 or 9mm. 1911's can have the capacity you need.
+
+>capacity is good
+Personally, I like a mag size of around 10 because I like to do fun stuff with my gun like parkour. Having 20 live rounds when you're running up a mountain gets annoying.
+--- 57990752
+>>57990731
+>If there was 1 handgun that could take a different handgun's magazines, what would it be?
+My brother in Christ, what are you even asking? Let each gun have its own magazine, and let some guns share magazine types. I think my answer to your question is a Coonan 357 converted 1911 custom.
+--- 57990764
+>>57990750
+It's not a myth, a 1911 is a single stack gun, there are 2011 but you are paying a pretty penny for them, and reliability has always been suspect with them, and 2011 are usually 9mm, the only common double stack .45 were the para ordinance and some STIs, and those went the way of the dodo for a good reason
+--- 57990778
+>>57990764
+I've seen 1911's with double stack and 15-20 capacity. They're rare but they exist.
+--- 57990807
+>>57990731
+colt python and desert eagle
+--- 57990846
+Seeing a lot of conflicting information online, and I was hoping you guys could help. I've shot plenty of handguns but I'm a first time owner. I wanna treat it right.
+
+I know I need a solvent (Hoppes #9), some toothbrushes, some microfiber towels, an oil of some sort to actually coat the barrel lightly, and a few snakebores (one for each caliber I intend to clean).
+
+What kind of snakebores should I buy and what kind of oil should I buy? (looking for brands and specific products)
+
+I appreciate your help.
+--- 57990851
+>>57990778
+Those are 2011s
+--- 57990924
+Should I add this to my loadout?
+--- 57990970
+>>57990453
+fr fr the 1911 aint b lackn, real G's strapped with Glock 9's but they b foldin when that 45 come out no cap
+--- 57991008
+>>57984847
+>tfw managed to find an unobtainium .40 Sport barrel to build out my match clone but the steel match weights are OOS everywhere.
+Now I've gotta wait at least a "couple months" for them to come back in stock (according to what matchweight said).
+Also apparently the reproduction 9/40 match weights are slightly shorter than the originals so the barrels stick out slightly which is annoying, but I'm not really interested in paying out the ass for an original match weight.
+I did get a Jet funnel for it and some of the 16 round mags which are coming in a couple days.
+--- 57991044
+>>57986405
+>the biggest mass shooter target
+Lmfao calm down Paul blart. When’s the last time you stopped a mass shooter?
+--- 57991057
+>>57986405
+>the biggest mass shooter target within 200 miles
+You don't know how a mass shooter chooses their target. You just have an ego.
+--- 57991073
+>>57991057
+>You don't know how a mass shooter chooses their target
+This. The mass shooter could shoot up a crowded mall, or they could shoot up a middle school. Or the mass shooting could be a nigger gang war. I think more people die of bike injuries than of mass shootings. 
+>BAN BICYCLES NOW
+>AND GASOLINE CARS
+>ALSO KNIVES AND CUSTOM-BUILT PC's
+>BAN LINUX TOO
+>AND BAN VPN'S
+>FUCK IT BAN ENCRYPTION ALLTOGETHER
+--- 57991076
+>>57989599
+BASED
+--- 57991097
+>>57991044
+>>57991057
+wow no cap fr u are hella cool and based and redpilled no cap lmfao 
+>>57991073
+this is a dumb argument. i'm not going to defend my personal choice to carry a larger gun to a bunch of retards who aren't interested in a discussion as much as they're trying to engage in bargain-bin """"trolling"""". my choice has nothing to do with you. cope and seethe, zoomers.
+--- 57991104
+>>57991097
+If I was security at a crowded place, I would have my gun be as small as possible, and always hidden out of sight.
+--- 57991107
+>>57991097
+--- 57991113
+>>57991104
+you can carry """large""" guns IWB, anon, with perfect concealment...
+--- 57991127
+>>57985675
+>what's the point of a full size gun
+I have an 8 shot 357 in my Lincoln Town car for when I drive through the ghetto. Unlike a semiauto, the revolver won't leave a trail of casings.
+--- 57991133
+>>57991113
+I think the most I could effectively conceal is like a 5" GP100.

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+-----
+--- 57982041
+Best polearm for home defense?
+--- 57982094
+>>57982041 (OP)
+--- 57982136
+>>57982041 (OP)
+If you're gonna fight in a phonebooth with a polearm there is but one solution. Good day,
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag
+--- 57982141
+>>57982041 (OP)
+what kind of dwelling do you have? how wide are your halls?
+--- 57982416
+>>57982136
+My Rhodoks use the
+--- 57982428
+lucerne bros wwa
+--- 57982436
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Naval boarding pike, it is specifically designed for close combat indoors. The majority are much too long.
+--- 57982675
+>>57982041 (OP)
+天皇陛下万歳
+--- 57982693
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Depends. For fighting inside, you need something short, like>>57982136, if you want to poke rascals outside your home without going out, you can go for longer polearms
+--- 57982744
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Maybe if russia can increase it's military budget, the mobiks can replace their shovels with polearms
+--- 57982991
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Somebody explain the purpose of the military fork to me
+--- 57983010
+>>57982991
+Same idea as a spear, you stab dudes with it. Some of them had extra hooks on them so you could pull people off horseback.
+--- 57983018
+>>57982991
+For very big steaks
+--- 57983158
+>>57982991
+No overpenetrating not being able to retrieve your weapon
+--- 57985256
+>>57982436
+Boarding pikes were meant for the top deck, men would literally drop them in favor of cutlasses and axes below deck.
+--- 57985572
+>>57982041 (OP)
+I just use my bonker
+Haha B O N K 
+>Nooo you can't just bonk me I'm only here to deliver the mai--
+B O N K
+--- 57985645
+>>57982041 (OP)
+No billhook?
+--- 57985660
+>>57982744
+Are these unfunny rehashed "russia poor" jokes being made by NATO shills or something?
+--- 57985773
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Mordaxt, accept no substitutes!
+--- 57985786
+>these unfunny rehashed "russia poor" jokes
+--- 57987871
+>>57982041 (OP)
+A sword would be better. But a gun would be even more better
+--- 57987908
+>>57982041 (OP)
+--- 57988501
+>>57982041 (OP)
+I’d go for the Bardiche since it’s the shortest, but >>57982675 has the best choice possible
+--- 57989625
+>>57982041 (OP)
+--- 57989639
+>>57982041 (OP)
+Poleaxe, it's stabby, bashy and choppy but not too long to use in a tight hallway or bathroom or some shit
+--- 57989647
+>>57982136
+>Open thread to post this
+>It's already done
+nice
+--- 57989710
+>>57985645
+this, Billhook is by far the best if you're one fag defending your camp against (((vikings))).

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+-----
+--- 57982098
+>Be Slovenia 
+>have max 2M population 
+>circa 7k military personnel
+Support UA with following donations:
+>28 M-55S tanks
+>35 M-80A IFVs
+>20 HMMWVs
+>16 M2A1 105mm howitzers
+> many other provisions and equipment. 
+And just now the news broke, that 20 of their 6X6 Valuk(Pandur) APC have arrivied in UA.
+
+What do /k/omrades think od Slovenia?
+--- 57982105
+>>57982098 (OP)
+--- 57982175
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>28 M-55S tanks
+Pretty old, but otherwise very based.
+--- 57982185
+>>57982163
+How will Austrian vatnig lovers cope with this one?
+--- 57982216
+>>57982175
+Yes they are old tanks, but it's the only model in storage. They still have about 15 M-84(A) in active use. Beside that, Slovenia was one of the first countries to donate tanks.
+--- 57982253
+>>57982185
+>Austrian
+Interesting fact: Austria has 68 Pandurs 1 (called Valuk in Slovenia) and Slovenia has 85. Albeit Wiki states that Austria signed a contract for 100 nes Pandurs EVO (upgraded model).
+--- 57982268
+Isn't Slovenia like, the most developed and successful of all Slavic countries? Don't they have higher per capita GDP than even Czech Republic?
+--- 57982295
+>>57982268
+yes
+because both Slovenia and Czechia used to belong to Germany for a millennium
+--- 57982304
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>donating soviet junks to open space for new stuff.... le good!
+--- 57982337
+>>57982098 (OP)
+More based than the Austria they strive to be.
+--- 57982456
+>>57982098 (OP)
+They shouldn't have split up with the Czech
+--- 57982462
+>>57982268
+>Isn't Slovenia like, the most developed and successful of all Slavic countries?
+Yes and also one of the safest even in the world! Slovenia always lands in top 10 regarding safety.
+
+>>57982295
+I would agree about that. The Habsburg(Austro-Hungarian) influence in form of stable and functioning society sure shows. Also Slovenia and Czechia have the same average IQ (98 vs Germanic 99). Compare that to the rest of the Balkans (82-93).
+
+>>57982304
+I didn't know Soviets manufactured M2A1 howitzers, HMMWVS, and Valuks(Pandur). I also didn't know that Israeli ELBIT which upgraded our T-55 is a Soviet firm. The things you learn everyday....
+--- 57982479
+>>57982098 (OP)
+Anze Kopitar is an animal, and I want to fuck Tina Maze in a gondola. Plus I used to do consulting work for Gorenje appliances and they were super cool to work with
+--- 57982499
+>>57982456
+I know you're trolling but for other people that are truly confused: Slovakia and Chechia were in a union called Czechoslovakia. Slovenia is a completely different country south-west.
+--- 57982506
+>>57982098 (OP)
+can someone please redpill me on upgrades on Slovenian T-55?
+--- 57982543
+>>57982479
+>Tina Maze
+She a cute!
+>Plus I used to do consulting work for Gorenje appliances and they were super cool to work with
+How long ago was this? Because in 2018 Gorenje was taken over by a Chinese company called Hisense. Fun fact: In conjunction with Rotis firm, Gorenje used to manufacture licensed Patria AMVs for Slovenian army called Svarun 8X8.
+--- 57982544
+Based, I love those M-55s. It's always interesting for someone like me that didn't know much about the politics of the area a year ago, to see which small countries really fucking hate Russia and show their hate by donating way above their weight. Payback is a bitch.
+--- 57982577
+>>57982098 (OP)
+Croat here. Love my fellow Janez.
+--- 57982591
+>>57982506
+Much much better than your basic T-55, real hunter-killer system, much better FCS and better gun and couple all that with RAFAEL's ERA kit on the turret and frontal upper hull(Ukrainians have added Kontakt 1 blocks on the sides). But at the end of the day it still doesn't have thermals of any kind! 
+
+I would rate it above T-62M but bellow most of the T-72B+ ERA equipped variants. Some people say that the 105mm DM63 APFSDS can comfortably pen a T-72 frontally.
+--- 57982594
+>>57982543
+I was working with them right around the time of that acquisition. 2018-2020ish. The production Facilities were still basically completely euro run during that time.
+--- 57982599
+>>57982591
+--- 57982649
+>>57982098 (OP)
+They took the deal of exchanging old equipment for new equipment without trying to get freebies. Just like the Czechs.
+--- 57982711
+>>57982544
+>to see which small countries really fucking hate Russia and show their hate by donating way above their weight. Payback is a bitch.
+I wouldn't say Slovenia generally hates Russia.We do a lot of economic dealings with Russia and the tourist frequent us a lot. Through history we never had a conflict with Russia. Yugoslavia had it's own army at the end of the WW2 so, Russia never "liberated" and raped us.
+
+But! Slovenia was always subjugated by larger neighboring nations and we really had to bleed for more than a millenum to be free. With our 1991 Independence war we started the first armed conflcit in Europe after the WW2!So it really gets our blood going when see a sovereign nation being occupied by a more powerful one.
+
+>>57982577
+Love U2 fellow Ivan. Neved had any beef against Croatia!
+--- 57982733
+>>57982462
+polandbros...but you're all white...
+--- 57982749
+>>57982649
+Well we got about 40 heavy 8x8 German military trucks for the 28 donated M-55S. It's a very good deal it's not like we were being completely altruistic.
+--- 57982923
+>>57982499
+Slovenia wish it was still Austria.
+Slovakia wish it was never Hungary.
+--- 57983057
+>>57982711
+Very interesting, thank you.
+--- 57983080
+>>57982098 (OP)
+I visited SOVLvenia years ago and it was beautiful, good food, good times. Even if I hadn't visited I would still think they're based just for the M-55 alone. 
+
+My question is why they hate the russians so much (other than all of the obvious reasons of course). I get why the Poles, Estonians and Finns hate them, is there a specific reason Slovenia has beef with Russia?
+--- 57983171
+>>57983080
+I don't think they hate Russia much, more like they would love to help out Ukraine, see >>57982711 for reference
+
+In fact i don't think they hate anybody, they are beyond that
+--- 57983192
+>>57982098 (OP)
+As a Bosnian they're the only ex-yu country I don't hate. They also have badass handguns (arex)
+--- 57983223
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>What do /k/omrades think od Slovenia? Keep helping with vatpigs removal.
+Slovenians are based. 
+>t. Pole
+--- 57983296
+>>57983080
+>My question is why they hate the russians so much, is there a specific reason Slovenia has beef with Russia?
+
+We don't generally hate Russians per se. We do a lot of economic dealings with them and their tourists visit us a lot! (they spend a lot here). Through our history we never had any specific conflict with Russia, Yugoslavia had it's own army(resistance) at the end of WW2 so we were never rape...ermm...liberated by Russia. 
+
+But we Slovenians were always subjugated by larger and more powerful neighbouring nations and we had to bleed for more than a millennium to be really independent and free. Our 1991 Ten-day war was the first armed conflict on European soil after the WW2. 
+
+So it really gets our blood boiling when when we see a smaller nation attacked by its larger neighbour. 
+
+TL;DR: We don't hate Russia per see, we just see a lot of similarities between our Indepedance war and Russian occupation of Ukraine. And we to return the favor, when West supported us during the 1991 Ten-day war .
+--- 57983383
+>>57983171
+>In fact i don't think they hate anybody, they are beyond that
+Well there is sort of a traditional beef with Croatians about some sea(Gulf of Trieste) and land borders(Trdina Peak), but this isn't true hate that could brew up to a potential conflict, it's a more of a populistic thing used by politicians from both nations during the elections years.
+--- 57983396
+>>57983223
+Thank you, based Polish freedom fighter!
+--- 57983425
+>>57982733
+just as baltoids have sent all their undesireables to Norway and the UK, hohols have done the same to Poland
+--- 57983451
+Didn't Slovenians really dab on the serbs when they declared independence?
+--- 57983483
+>>57983451
+They're the true winners of the 90s wars, the serbs gave up after 10 days only, coincidentally they had the lowest percentage of serbs in any ex-yu country.
+--- 57983531
+>>57983080
+Russia is just very good at making people dislike them. All the former Yugos sided against them (even Serbia is supplying Ukraine with ammo lmao).
+--- 57983569
+>>57982098 (OP)
+I love the mead and skis
+--- 57983609
+>>57983451
+Well yes and no. 
+
+1. Demographics were on our side, there was practicaly a non existent Serbian minority (<5%) in Slovenia at the time, so the Serbian didn't have such a zealous claim to our lands, like they did in Croatia(Serbian Republic of Kraina) and in BiH(Republika Srpska)
+
+2. Yugoslav army(usurped by Serbs at the time) really came unprepared after we pronounced our independence. Think like almost parade column of tanks and AVFs (Like Russians did in the First battle of Grozny). So we stopped them at our barricades, destroyed the first and the last vehicle and usually they surrender after an ultimatium. When they did not, out Territotial defesnce destroyed the whole armored column.
+--- 57983629
+>>57983569
+>skis
+Mead is medica(made from honey), but what is skis? Maybe something got lost during translation?
+--- 57983648
+>>57983609
+I drove several time through Slovenia, the entire country is just hills and forest. Don't surprise me that the Serbs got fucked here
+--- 57983651
+>>57983629
+https://elanskis.com/
+--- 57983676
+>>57983651
+Haha, yes yes, ELAN is a big name in Slovenia, we are very proud of this company.
+--- 57983692
+>>57983676
+They are the best skis for certain
+--- 57983697
+>>57983676
+--- 57983743
+>>57983648
+Yes, this is mostly true! Not the entire country, but about 2/3s of it. 
+
+Fun story: when Yugoslav Nationa Army (Serb commanded at the time) crossed our southern borders at around 4 in the morning, a few T-55/M-84 columns got lost and wandered off. The tanks were also driven by 18yo conscripts.
+--- 57983756
+>>57983692
+>>57983697
+Haha, thank you Anons!
+--- 57984042
+>>57982098 (OP)
+Thread theme:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOypa-8uIM [Embed]
+--- 57984063
+>>57984042
+Hahahaha
+>"It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter"
+>throws up
+Anon, in a million years I wouldn't have expected someone to post this video on /k/!
+--- 57984218
+>>57982544
+>>57983080
+As others have stated: we don't hate Russians. We are actually one of the most Russian friendly countries in Europe.
+
+>>57982577
+>>57983192
+>>57983223
+<3
+The reason why we donate to Ukraine is that we want to cooperate with other European countries (pic related), and that is our way of pulling the weight.
+Also we know how it is to be subjugated, and needing the help of others.
+--- 57984274
+>>57984218
+Heh, very interesting map. I'm a Slovenan, but I never knew/thought about this in relation to anthems and lyrics.
+--- 57984440
+>>57982749
+Sure its a very good deal, but still. You didn't try to get them replaced by L2A7V on a 1 for 1 basis.
+--- 57984470
+>>57983192
+Awww! We love you too. Now back to work Mujo. ( samo šala, hehe <3 )
+
+>>57984063
+I post it in almost any thread that mentions us. The world must know of our advanced and sophisticated way of life!
+--- 57984597
+>>57984470
+Kek, I remember this map from about 10+ years ago.
+>https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo [Embed]
+--- 57984683
+>>57982733
+this is not a crime stats chart but a random internet survey about "feeling safe" you inbred spic
+--- 57984690
+>>57984683
+Based PolandBro, spics and muslims can't read.
+--- 57985428
+>>57982098 (OP)
+--- 57985529
+>>57985428
+i cri
+--- 57985789
+>>57985529
+Don't cri. There are abandoned ones that might find new life with the Russians.
+--- 57985910
+>>57982098 (OP)
+The T-55 tanks were already retired and they got Germany to compensate them.
+--- 57985923
+>>57982462
+>>Isn't Slovenia like, the most developed and successful of all Slavic countries?
+>Yes and also one of the safest even in the world!
+--- 57985942
+>>57982733
+Anon, being an undesirable place to live, and an internal identity vs outgroups is what has kept them white.
+--- 57986016
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>What do /k/omrades think od Slovenia?
+Eastern Euro hatred of Russians is inspirational and humbling, and I am impressed by how based you are when shit's actually happening.
+t. American
+--- 57986102
+>>57982749
+It's still a fair and fast deal for all side and that takes honor.
+
+>>57982098 (OP)
+I just hope the tank have a few good success stories on the front. They cute and deserve a legacy
+--- 57986145
+>>57986016
+>Eastern Euro hatred of Russians
+Not in Slovenia amigo. In fact there's many here siding with Russia.
+--- 57986451
+>>57986145
+Well I am from Slovenia and I sure side with Russia on this one. I worked in Russia for 8 years and I still follow their politics end economy on a daily basis, and all i can say is that this conflict isnt as black and white as western or for that matter Russian media tries to depict it, however i would prefer if we Slavs didnt try to eviscerate each other every 5 fucking minutes.
+--- 57986657
+>>57986451
+It's just how Slavs are because of centuries of foreign rule and the general peasant nature of our lands.
+--- 57986713
+>>57986451
+>Russia wanted THIS and the other country said NO! HOW DARE THEY BOMB THEM BOMB THEM BOMB THEM
+lmao nigga
+--- 57986870
+>>57986713I wont say that Russia didnt want this but if this war was so desired by Russia why not just invade in 2014 and be done with it?
+>>57986657 I dont know man I think we have quite unique and beautiful culture and i cant understand why everybody wants to ditch that and westernize us all the time, I mean our own people.
+--- 57987015
+>>57986870
+>I dont know man I think we have quite unique and beautiful culture and i cant understand why everybody wants to ditch that and westernize us all the time, I mean our own people.
+
+Probably because this place is filled to the brim with retards. The country is beautiful, just a shame it's inhabited with Slovenians and "Slovenians." I can't wait to leave.
+--- 57987102
+>>57986016
+Historically Russia was hated about as much as the west/USA over here. Two giants doing whatever they fucking wanted on the world stage. However that has changed since the invasion.
+
+News sites are full of paid comments parroting the same shit that you see here:
+"The war is costing us money!"
+"Stop prolonging the war by giving our precious weapons to Ukraine!"
+"Russia is winning, 2 more weeks!"
+"What about America?"
+However every single political party and overwhelming majority of Slovenes stand with Ukraine.
+Mostly because this shit is very similar to how we gained our independence and the fact that it is a one sided war in terms of civilian casualties..
+
+>>57986451
+This stance is only held by Serbian diaspora, neo commies and contrarian retards who have no clue about international politics. So which are you?
+--- 57987139
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>send scrap metal to piggyland
+>get EU funded US weapons for free
+>become part of US mil complex never will be free again
+--- 57987183
+>>57985789
+can serve as fridge
+--- 57987184
+>>57987102
+>News sites are full of paid comments parroting the same shit that you see here:
+>"The war is costing us money!"
+
+Has nothing to do with the fact food prices have doubled in a year I bet.
+--- 57987221
+>>57986451
+Gee, I wonder what kind of "Slovene" would describe themselves as "from Slovenia", as opposed to "Slovene" and would support Russia in committing ethnic cleansing.
+--- 57987259
+How much of that stuff is being paid for by Germany via Ringtausch?
+--- 57987309
+>country is filled to the brim with retards
+>>57987221
+See what I mean?
+--- 57987315
+>>57982098 (OP)
+Slovenes are based.
+
+Zizek's articles during 2022 are a fantastic counter-point to the idiot hybrid war divisiveness that vatniks spat out non stop. I wanted to post a video where he talks about his military service but I can't find it.
+--- 57987382
+>>57986451
+>i would prefer if we Slavs didnt try to eviscerate each other every 5 fucking minutes.
+Then you shouldn't be supporting the aggressor in this war.
+--- 57987398
+>>57987382
+That's why we don't support ukraine anon.
+--- 57987399
+>>57982711
+Yugoslavia's relationship with the USSR wasn't exactly buddy buddy pal pal. 
+
+But I think that is the Slovenian point of pride, they don't seem to have had any issue deciding to go their own way and do their own shit and admire that quality in others.
+--- 57987462
+>>57984063
+It's the third time I have seen it on /k/. 
+
+We really fucking like the M-55s.
+--- 57987819
+>>57987382
+You do realize that this war started in 2014 and not in 2022 right? If you do than remind me who started with the retarded protests and "ban the Russian language" tier retardness while a third of its population declare themselves as ethnic Russians? i wander what could have gone wrong there. Its sad because it isnt Ukrainians as a nation that started that hysteria but a bunch of cokehead jews who took power in an unlawful seizure of power in 2014, for them I really dont feel sorry
+--- 57987901
+Meanwhile my country hasn't donated anything because they prefer to let equipment go unused forever to protect muh neutrality
+--- 57987996
+>>57987819
+>If you do than remind me who started with the retarded protests and "ban the Russian language" tier retardness while a third of its population declare themselves as ethnic Russians?
+Stalin
+--- 57988154
+>>57987462
+> most ridiculously overpimped T-55
+T-55AGM says hi.
+--- 57988200
+>>57987819
+>while a third of its population declare themselves as ethnic Russians
+Was less than 10% in 1926. I wonder what happened.
+
+>but a bunch of cokehead jews who took power in an unlawful seizure of power in 2014,
+Another russian/shitskin/communist denies agency of Ukrainians and defends corrupt coward.
+Also, you purposefully ignored the fact that kremlin started the annexation of Crimea before yanukovich fled like a rat.
+--- 57988250
+>>57983080
+>why they hate the Russians so much
+we don't actually. Many Slovenians liked Russia a lot before this conflict. But as other anons said, we both relate to Ukraine but mostly just want to cooperate with other EU countries and will do anything we are told. And even so, sending arms to Ukraine wasn't all that popular in Slovenia.
+--- 57988281
+>>57987399
+Their relationship thawed after Stalin died, so they got some additional technology transfers and even bought some T-72s from the Soviet Union. However, Slovenia has always been closer to the West than any other former republic.
+--- 57988297
+>>57986870
+>why not just invade in 2014 and be done with it?
+Because 2022 was their best shot at success in their eyes. Wounded US prestige from Afghanistan makes the current president viewed as weak, forced scandal involving his son sours people's view with Ukraine, every country picking themselves back up after Covid. It was their perfect storm, and look where it got them. Syria was more kino, made them look competent.
+--- 57988421
+>>57988200
+>Also, you purposefully ignored the fact that kremlin started the annexation of Crimea before yanukovich fled like a rat.
+As expected since you cant read you cant check the facts so no wonder you spam lies all around. Also Russia had constitutional right to take Crimea in a situation that Ukraine would be unable to secure the peace in the peninsula, thats why Russia has its millitary base there in the first place, that was one of the many agreements that were signed by Russia and Ukraine as the agreement that Ukraine would not take join NATO or any non Russian affiliated security organisation and would not allow any kind of deployment of foreign military personnel on its soil. All of that among other agreements was agreed by both countries in return for Russia to guarantee Ukraines independence and sovereignty, and almost all of those were agreements were violated by Ukraine since 2014. But where is the point in arguing with you since you know best. Ajde
+--- 57988476
+>>57988421
+>that was one of the many agreements that were signed by Russia and Ukraine as the agreement that Ukraine would not take join NATO or any non Russian affiliated security organisation and would not allow any kind of deployment of foreign military personnel on its soil.
+Such agreement doesn't exist, you pulled that out of your ass to save your brown face.
+
+>But where is the point in arguing with you since you know best. Ajde
+Look at him, he fled like a rat.
+--- 57988564
+>>57988297
+I cant agree with you here, because with postponing the invasion Russia allowed Ukraine to get stronger and to recieve help and support from all around the world. I think that the decision to invade was hastily made with a high hope that Ukraine would just fold when Russian troops would roll over the border. I think that would largely be the case in 2014 but In those 8 years Ukrainians gained a lot of experiences and also a lot of aid from the west particularly. All those failed promises that western countries would intervene in the case of Russian invasion helped a lot in the beginning with the morale and so Russian plan fell through completely and Russia had to adopt different approach. Its however sad to see enormous unnecessary civilian suffering.
+--- 57989980
+>>57988250
+>Many Slovenians liked Russia a lot before this conflict.
+Still do.
+--- 57990462
+>>57982098 (OP)
+>What do /k/omrades think od Slovenia?
+They are good guys.
+Also they got Jabolčni Štrudelj.
+t. Germ
+--- 57990810
+>>57985428
+>>57985529
+>>57985789
+Don't cry bro. 
+I' really like the BVP-M80A(I've sat in the exposed turret at our Pivka armor museum in Slovenia) but
+at the end of the day they are just the same Cold war era steel coffin as a BMP-1. At least they are going out on an acitve battlefield, not gathering rust in some forgotten depo.
+--- 57990865
+>>57990810
+Altrough in some sense, I would argue that they are better than the BMP-1. BVP M-80A has substantially better ergonomics for the dismounts and a 20mm Hispano autocannon from the get go(vs 73mm recoilles on a BMP-1).
+
+BMP-1 dismounts pic
+--- 57990872
+>>57990865
+BVP M-80A dismount pic:
+--- 57990882
+>>57990865
+I really don't think that people imagine how tiny the BMP is:
+--- 57990885
+>>57990882
+--- 57990900
+>>57985428
+>>57985789
+HEAT damage on on of the first damaged BVP M-80As.
+--- 57990913
+>>57990900
+Typical HEAT damage pattern.
+--- 57990921
+>>57990913
+The "jet" went through the hull and out on the other side.
+--- 57990939
+>>57987462
+Kek, Žižek would actually say something CRAZY like this. Absolute mad lad. 
+> https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo [Embed]
+--- 57990952
+>>57990462
+>Also they got Jabolčni Štrudelj.
+One of the staples of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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@@ -0,0 +1,181 @@
+-----
+--- 57982509
+It's crazy to think the 1980's NVA could probably beat the modern Russian army in a 1 on 1 conflict
+>https://youtu.be/fOWaOybLNXk [Embed]
+--- 57982516
+>>57982509 (OP)
+>80s
+by then, vietnam would be long unified 
+the name PAVN did persist past unification, though
+--- 57982520
+That's not saying much, I misinterpreted the thread as meaning the Vietnamese NVA and still thought "Yeah probably"
+--- 57982531
+>>57982516
+Anon...
+>>57982520
+The Vietnamese Army had an insane AA network and millions of troops, they would BTFO the Russian Army even more so than the DDR
+--- 57982548
+>>57982509 (OP)
+Reminder that the 1970's Egyptian Army displayed better combined arms ability and offensive prowess than the modern Russian Army
+
+They crossed like 200,000 troops across the fucking Sinai against a decades preparation worth of Israeli defenses
+
+Russia couldn't cross 200 guys across some random river
+--- 57982566
+Complete horseshit. What's this retarded fetishization anyway. By the 80s the NVA used outdated equipment that was largely not comparable with the stuff the Soviet's had in active service. If Soviets were expected to run their teeth on asphalt in the 80s then the NVA, which largely was meant to go up against NATO alone in specific sectors would have found themselves in absolute hell fire. Fucking Christ, the NVA was using outdated equipment in the 70s...
+Bit retarded to laugh at Russia for using T-62s nowadays in Ukraine when the NVA was dorking around with early versions of T-55s until the fall of the Soviet Union. Never mind the BTRs.
+--- 57982583
+>>57982509 (OP)
+t55am and btr152 army couldn't beat the soviets in 1945 let alone russia in 2023
+--- 57982600
+>>57982566
+But russia is using the same equipment 30 years later.
+--- 57982611
+>>57982509 (OP)
+the only thing the nva marches in are pride parades
+--- 57982628
+>>57982600
+The equipment the Soviets were using back then already was superior to that of the NVA.
+--- 57982775
+>>57982566
+Upgraded T-55s and BMP-1s are pretty much on par or even a step above half the shit being fielded in Ukraine right now
+>>57982583
+NVA had hundreds of T-72s, thousands of T-55s and thousands of BMPs/BTRs 60s/70s. Also, a BTR-152 is better than riding around in civilian vehicles like we see both the Russians and Ukrainians doing
+--- 57982813
+>>57982531
+not to mention battle hardened after decades of near constant warfare and motivated to hell and back
+--- 57985522
+>>57982509 (OP)
+I HATE those fucking helmets
+--- 57986010
+>>57982509 (OP)
+Russia has hypersonic missiles, and has used them on multiple occasions,
+meanwhile, the US is 10+years behind Russia and China in hypersonics/HGV's aka the most important military asset of the 21st century, to date
+
+whats "crazy to think" is how fucking HARD the US has fallen in just a handful of years
+--- 57986023
+>>57986010
+Interesting, anon. How has this most important military asset contributed to Puccia's historic victory in Ukraine?
+--- 57986096
+>>57982548
+Their water hose berm trick was brilliant.
+--- 57986128
+>>57986010
+Things must be dire in Ukraine if the quality of Russian/poo bots has fallen this low
+--- 57986367
+>>57982509 (OP)
+>It's crazy to think the 1980's NVA could probably beat the modern Russian army in a 1 on 1 conflict
+What do you mean beat them? Prevent Russia from occupying North Vietnam? Probably yes, not because of their equipment or training but because Russia has no ability to project power and simply will fail to supply small parts of its army to fight NVA
+--- 57986401
+>>57986023
+>Interesting, anon. How has this most important military asset contributed to Puccia's historic victory in Ukraine?
+
+utter annihilation of zog-bot command,
+obliteration of faggot ukrainian civil infrastructure, 
+and the denial of future zog-bot command ever being "in-country" ever again.
+
+Kinzhals, and Mig-31 have been gaping ukrains anus for MONTHS now
+
+https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39611090/how-russia-beat-america-to-the-hypersonic-missile/ 
+
+https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/
+--- 57986431
+East Germans were such Soviet cocksuckers the only think defeated would be their knees
+--- 57986454
+>>57982548
+Iraq also showed itself more capable.
+--- 57986464
+>>57982509 (OP)
+You guys can stop quadrupling down on delusion any time. It's okay, you can just stop, you're anonymous.
+--- 57986473
+>>57986367
+>>57982516
+>>57982520
+Holy good fuck you tourist faggots really don't know what the NVA is? Even with pictures?
+--- 57986488
+>>57986401
+>the intel drop
+>first image on the site is a EU4 screenshot
+--- 57986495
+>>57986473
+I don't speak German. Anyway, if you think they could defeat current Russia(who has land access for invasion) then you're actually fucking retarded
+--- 57986512
+>>57986401
+AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+--- 57986602
+NVA had no ABC weapons.
+--- 57986843
+>>57986602
+
+What about DEF weapons?
+--- 57986844
+>>57982509 (OP)
+Yeah, stop shitposting, baby
+--- 57986979
+>>57986495
+You didn't even try to pretend you used /k/ for more than a year.
+--- 57987028
+>>57982516
+Nationale Volksarmee (NVA), in English the National People's Army, was the land force of the German Democratic Republic (Deutsche Demokratische Republik or DDR in German), also called "East" Germany by the west.
+--- 57987063
+>>57986401
+>Mig-31 have been gaping ukrains anus for MONTHS now
+AAAAAAAAAACK
+--- 57987124
+>>57982566
+The NVA had excellent readiness rates and its soldiers were considered quite proficient because they got to exercise fairly often. It was probably the second-best army of the Warsaw Pact.
+
+Also their uniforms looked dope
+--- 57987507
+>>57986512
+I unironically subscribe to the Khazar Theory but completely fail to understand how Russia would be some opponent to this, being that they are *the* multifaith Eurasianists
+--- 57988679
+>>57982548
+They may struggle to send 200 men across some shitty River but they sent thousands of men through the Styx
+--- 57988731
+>>57986010
+>hypersonics/HGV's aka the most important military asset of the 21st century, to date
+The most important are still nukes (as much as the isw zogbots don't want to admit it) and air superiority fighters. The US is at least close to parity in nukes and absolutely dominates in the air. Hypersonic missiles only matter when you can't achieve clear air superiority
+--- 57988787
+>>57986401
+>utter annihilation of zog-bot command,
+>obliteration of faggot ukrainian civil infrastructure,
+>and the denial of future zog-bot command ever being "in-country" ever again.
+>Kinzhals, and Mig-31 have been gaping ukrains anus for MONTHS now
+>https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a39611090/how-russia-beat-america-to-the-hypersonic-missile/
+>https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/
+--- 57988807
+>>57986010
+Wow they must be winning really good then
+--- 57988840
+>>57986010
+I'd say small commercial drones BTFO any hypersonic missile wonderwaffen on the modern battlefield and there's literally hundreds of hours proving just that.
+--- 57988899
+>>57986495
+nu/k/ is so hopelessly high off of anti-Russia sentiment that they would unironically think the Romans could beat modern Russia
+--- 57988972
+>>57982548
+Fucking Iraq was more capable. They actually conducted organized mass armored/mechanized maneuvers when all Russia can do is unsupported airdrops and clicking attack-move on Kyiv. I would genuinely take Iraqis over 2020s Russians.
+--- 57989785
+>>57988840
+>I'd say small commercial drones BTFO any hypersonic missile wonderwaffen on the modern battlefield and there's literally hundreds of hours proving just that.
+you absolute faggot fuck
+
+say that when China forces micro-dick USA out of Guam
+
+go ahead you faggot, ill wait right here on /k/ for you
+--- 57989818
+You can hypersonically fly a dildo into your asshole.
+--- 57989876
+>>57982509 (OP)
+This shit goes hard.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKxzdasGU0M [Embed]
+--- 57989961
+lol imagine the shame of being some banderite faggot now
+
+I bet the streets of keev are fucking embarrasing
+--- 57989973
+>>57989785
+>hit guam
+>it tips over
+>revealing the even bigger airbase on the bottom

k/57982654.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,88 @@
+-----
+--- 57982654
+Who are the Great Captains of unconventional and asymmetric warfare? Besides pic-related of course.
+--- 57982667
+>>57982654 (OP)
+ Shit thread vatnigger
+--- 57982679
+>>57982654 (OP)
+picrel
+--- 57982704
+>>57982667
+Are Americans so soft that seeing a pic of one general who btfo'd them makes them seethe?
+--- 57983076
+>>57982654 (OP)
+Unironically.
+--- 57983093
+>>57983076
+life, liberdy, and bursuid of burger :DDDDDD t. washinton
+--- 57985093
+>>57983076
+>blocks ur path
+--- 57985122
+>>57985093
+They didn’t fight thouuuugh
+--- 57985387
+>>57982704
+>SEAnigger unironically thinks getting its own soldiers asymmetrically slaughtered by the millions Zerg-rushing until Americans got bored = btfo
+--- 57985405
+>>57982654 (OP)
+Unless he commanded the Viet Cong and Viet Minh, no, he's not a master of unconventional and asymmetric warfare
+
+My vote is David Stirling
+--- 57987653
+*singlehandedly makes guerrilla warfare broken forever*
+--- 57987692
+>>57982654 (OP)
+UNDEFEATED!
+N
+D
+E
+F
+E
+A
+T
+E
+D
+!
+--- 57987766
+>>57985405
+You're being ironic right?
+--- 57987989
+>>57985387
+>taps out of a fight because bored
+>calls it a win
+One more victory and you will be done
+--- 57989202
+Confederate States of America General Stonewall Jackson's Valley Campaign is a great study of a smaller force tieing up a much larger force using speed and maneuver.
+--- 57989264
+>>57982654 (OP)
+I really wish we had a rule to report bait threads
+--- 57989276
+>>57983076
+I wouldn't say Wash was great at unconventional warfare, what made him able to keep the war going and ultimately result in victory is his ability to always inspire his troops and stick with them even when shit went horribly wrong preventing a breakdown
+--- 57989335
+>>57989202
+Jackson was still fighting conventionally though. He was abusing railroads and forced marches to attack separated Union forces in the valley and defeat them in detail.
+--- 57989465
+>>57983076
+>fight giant battles on open plains
+>"unconventional warfare"
+>>57989276
+That and the fact that France and other European countries supplied them with the weapons and ammo they needed
+--- 57990459
+>>57987692
+I will pay out the ass to get a tv series on this guy's exploits in Africa.
+--- 57990471
+>>57982654 (OP)
+unironically the best to ever do it
+--- 57990486
+>>57982704
+>>>57987989
+>btfo'd
+>barely did anything to the americans aside from losing until negotiations come into play
+How did he btfo a non existing force when their presence was almost non existent in the last few years of the war? The U.S. just picked up their instructors and embassy staff and thats it.
+--- 57991451
+>>57990486
+>How did he btfo a non existing force when their presence was almost non existent in the last few years of the war?
+Why was it non-existent, anon? Why not just invade Hanoi with the full force of the US military and completely annex North Vietnam?

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@@ -0,0 +1,349 @@
+-----
+--- 57982718
+There's another MiG-31... Well, y'know...
+https://files.catbox.moe/btnon7.mp4
+--- 57982745
+>>57982718 (OP)
+https://files.catbox.moe/fac0la.MP4
+--- 57982770
+>>57982718 (OP)
+*There was
+--- 57982784
+>>57982718 (OP)
+I'm assuming engine failure. We know who it belonged to? (Does Ukraine have 31s? I don't remember)
+--- 57982796
+>>57982784
+>MiG-31 military aircraft crashed near Monchegorsk. Both pilots managed to eject.
+>The plane crashed near Rizhguba. Rescuers went to the crash site.
+--- 57982854
+>>57982745
+>fighter jet on fire crashing to the ground
+>dont even look at it
+i guess jets crashing is such a common thing in russia people dont care anymore
+--- 57982860
+>>57982796
+So that's probably the Finnish border
+wonder how many plane crashes deep in Russia we never get to see because the recordings get censored or the siberian bydlo don't even have proper cellphones.
+--- 57982865
+>>57982718 (OP)
+--- 57982873
+>>57982860
+It's Murmansk and probably a lot, if only because the Russians have had to step up sorties in the last year due to the war. Before the war most Russian pilots, even fighter pilots, got less hours in a year than a US pilot got in 3-6 months.
+--- 57982908
+[NOT MY PROBLEM IN THE DISTANCE.]
+--- 57982911
+>>57982865
+Kek, time to update the webm
+--- 57982935
+This is the fourth one crashing, right?
+--- 57982939
+>>57982796
+>Both pilots managed to eject.
+
+Shame
+--- 57982975
+>>57982939
+On the other hand Russians always say that. They will say that both survived, fully recovered and then 6 months later post their eulogies.
+--- 57982985
+>sanctions won't affect our manufacturing and maintenance duties. It's western propaganda.
+>Planes start crashing almost weekly now
+What will happen in a year or two?
+--- 57982998
+>>57982718 (OP)
+Mighty Puccia fucks up again.
+--- 57983017
+>>57982985
+If russia doesn't massively reduce sorties, they either find a way to skirt sanctions even more than they already do to get parts or they will not have an air force larger than like 5 planes
+--- 57983023
+>xaxaxaxa kholols are running out of AA missiles
+>meanwhile rusniggers are losing aircraft due to maintenance issues and airframes accumulating flight hours
+--- 57983037
+Yeah, the aviation industry in Russia is fucked at this point. We've already heard about them having to cannibalise planes since they can't get the parts and videos of civilian aviation accidents come out a lot more frequently. Military airframes are the first to go, especially given everything , but they're going to have to contend with some shit when a passenger plane experiences an engine failure.
+--- 57983058
+>>57982939
+We still don't know if they broke their spines as a result of the ejection
+--- 57983075
+>>57983058
+There's always a silver lining
+--- 57983085
+>>57983023
+>Ukraine runs out of AA
+>Russian aircraft losses increase
+--- 57983088
+>>57983037
+>you're now aware that all Airbus and Boeing aircraft in Russia are incapable of going over EU/western airspace as the majority of them were leased (and therefore stolen since Russia stopped making payments) and are no longer seen as airworthy (since Boeing and Airbus have cut off the supply of spare parts)
+>you are now aware that we started seeing videos of A320s operating with absolute minimum equipment around July 2022
+Russia is not going to attract any investment from any airline for the next 30 years at least. The airline business is hard enough without countries randomly stealing your planes and cutting you off from spare parts.
+--- 57983092
+>>57983037
+didn't they get Iran to do maintenance for their planes?
+--- 57983094
+I thought a pilot was safe once ejected.
+--- 57983130
+>>57983023
+With the Ukrainians out of AA the air is now safe for RuAF planes to crash into many hohol tower blocs.
+--- 57983151
+>>57982718 (OP)
+>>57982745
+It's odd, the engines just seem to catch fire and burn out from what I can tell. I also don't see any pilots ejecting to safety, so unless they bailed before these clips were taken, I think Russia may be down two more pilots too.
+--- 57983177
+>>57983151
+Russia is probably struggling to maintain its engines. I know they produce them but the parts gotta come from somewhere
+--- 57983178
+>the gay pig and his gay friends were talking about the Mig-31’s failing engine life
+>this happens
+--- 57983190
+>>57983151
+They probably bailed long ago and just let the plane glide until it crashed
+--- 57983227
+>>57983151
+odd? russian engines are trash without proper maintenance.
+--- 57983246
+>>57983094
+The experience of ejecting is extremely stressful on the body. I believe there is a limit to the number of times you can eject before you're unable to fly again.
+--- 57983265
+>>57983246
+Yup. Spine compression and crushed vertebrae will fuck you up
+--- 57983294
+>>57982745
+>that qt3.14 getting the wand at 0:30
+--- 57983341
+>>57982718 (OP)
+>MiG-31
+>catastrophic engine failure
+Checks out.
+--- 57983352
+>>57983094
+It depends on the plane, as some of the old soviet designs had a nasty habit of eating the pilots or kneecapping them on the way out, when the pilot chooses to eject.
+How ejection seats work is that a two-stage bomb goes off, with the first one blowing the cockpit clear off the plane followed by a second one blowing the pilot out of the plane (Poor maintenance can result in these stages ending up back-to-front with obvious results) in order to make sure they aren't sucked into the engine or chopped in half by the tail when bailing at high speed. This is naturally an extremely violent process and can result in injury to the pilot.
+There is also the minimum ejection distance to take into account, as you have to fall from a certain height to give the parachutes time to deploy and slow you down. Ejecting beneath the distance means you will hit the ground too hard, or your chute won't have time to open, leading to you becoming a fascinating collection of wires and viscera smeared over a wide area where you impacted the ground.
+--- 57983366
+>>57982718 (OP)
+>pilots ejected
+may i see them
+--- 57983367
+>>57983094
+if you're ejecting because your plane is hit, you may already be full of holes from fragmentation/ shrapnel and could just die from the injuries anyway
+--- 57983370
+>>57983178
+>gay pig and his gay
+????
+--- 57983378
+>>57983037
+>Yeah, the aviation industry in Russia is fucked at this point.
+look up what they have been up to with civvie airliners. Old soviet milshit is expected to be shit and fall out of the sky. What about full on airbuses due to the lack of spare parts
+--- 57983379
+>>57983370
+Lazerpig
+--- 57983419
+>>57983178
+do you mean gay laser pig? 
+you listen to drunk 4 hour streams?
+--- 57983444
+>>57982985
+>What will happen in a year or two?
+Russkis are reduced to overland travel as civil Airbuses and Boeings have become flying coffins (if they manage to take off without hydraulics blowing themselves during take off), but that's a problem as well since the great Siberian railroad has claimed speed of 80km/h, but claimed speed means fucking nothing in the niggerdom that is Empire of Russland. NOT THAT even THAT matters since the locomotives use western parts for pretty much every function and therefore are as big of a liability as the air sector.
+
+Therefore I predict a few high profile air accidents and a few high profile rail accidents to plague the monke's realm in about a year.
+--- 57983467
+>>57982784
+Just Russia and Kazakhstan.
+--- 57983517
+>>57983366
+They are alive and well, they are going to the hospital right now under their own power.
+--- 57983600
+The plane is currently in the Lake Bolshaya Imandra so if didn't get out they've been deep freezed.
+--- 57983670
+>>57983600
+Look, on the one hand that's fucking horrible but on the other hand this is probably the only Russian aircraft that stands a chance at holding off, or even winning a BVR fight against, an F-16, F-15 or F/A-18E/F. They built 519 in total and had around 100 in 2020. This is going to sound fucked up but you take what you can get.
+--- 57983807
+>>57983094
+The g force from a successful eject compresses your spine causing your height to shrink measurably. The effect on your brain box is pretty traumatic too. That's before we discuss the ancillary shit like canopy failures, debris, and potentially frostbite, oh and don't forget parachute failure. The ejection system isn't rough because its Russian, its rough because you're team rocket blasting off from a metal coffin going faster than most humans can dream
+--- 57983835
+>>57983352
+Modern ejector seats are zero-zero capable, which means that they can at least keep you alive even if you ejected at zero altitude at zero velocity.
+--- 57983871
+>>57983835
+>Modern ejector seats
+>Russia
+
+You have to choose one
+--- 57983895
+>>57983037
+Everyone cannibalizes and the US cann management program is vital to buffer Supply, but we put our cann birds back together and importantly rotate cann birds so they don't creep out of control and become hangar queens. A cann bird will be made FMC using the next cann bird if required. 
+
+Done wrong cann'ing can get out of control and if using old paper documentation only is subject to many errors. Also maintainers long ago would sometimes harvest parts and forget to document them because the forms binder was elsewhere. 
+
+The Russian cann situation is likely hilarious.
+--- 57984277
+Bros....... our Raptor/Carrier killer......
+--- 57984284
+>>57983600
+Send the VDV
+--- 57984333
+>Build a plane for parades and dickwaving
+>Suddenly forced to have each frame fly more hours in a month than the whole fleet has done in the past 30 years
+>Critical engine failures
+--- 57984343
+>>57984333
+to shoot B1-Bs, but that's neither here nor there
+--- 57984376
+>>57984333
+Plane itself is good, the problem is that they're also 30 to 50 years old and being used way too intensively. Also russian maintenance with less than adequade parts does not help
+--- 57984425
+>>57982718 (OP)
+Here we see a Mig31 making its way back under its own power
+--- 57984512
+>>57983023
+--- 57984523
+>>57983419
+Yes.
+Apparently his friend Falcon has an OG Colt AR
+--- 57984556
+>>57982718 (OP)
+I hope that enough survive to leave a museum collection. They (mig 25/31) are some of the coolest planes ever build IMO.
+
+>>57982985
+Are they actually more likely to crash or does it just seem that way because they fly them much more often? There were probably crashes all the time even before the war but people didn't really pay any attention.
+What western made parts would a 50y old soviet plane even need?
+Civilian aircraft are a whole other story...
+--- 57984569
+>>57982718 (OP)
+It said no smoking inside the aircraft ivan...
+--- 57984574
+>>57984569
+Is ok, canopy was open
+--- 57984658
+>>57983835
+>zero zero seats dont have minimum envelopes
+The only reason why they even became a thing was that the navy wanted a seat that would not make navy pilots splatter when they ejected on the deck
+--- 57984814
+>>57983130
+Safe, you say? If having planes that fall out of the sky without the help of enemy intervention is "safe", then, yes, the RuAF is very safe, indeed.
+--- 57984841
+>>57984556
+>Are they actually more likely to crash or does it just seem that way because they fly them much more often? 
+Heavy wear and tear from that, most of the skilled mechanics probably beat feet to Europe or some place where they don't have to worry about being sent forward and almost certainly they were sourcing Western parts in some capacity
+--- 57984896
+the mighty wunderwaffen Mig-31
+--- 57984979
+>>57984896
+>wunderwaffen
+Flammenwerfer
+--- 57984988
+>>57984896
+Imagine going skiing and seeing this shit
+--- 57985003
+>>57984556
+Combination of both; they're flying airframes like the MIG-31 way more than before, *which* in turn means they're putting an insane amount of wear and stress on the airframes/components on jets that weren't designed for that level of constant usage. 
+So it's not *just* "if you fly a plane type 3x as often as the previous year don't be surprised if you see a ~3x jump in losses due to mechanical failure", it's also "3x the flight time far exceeds the specs and tolerances so things are going to degrade faster than if you had three individual planes rotating out for the same total flight time between them" as well as "and there's even less you can do about it with a lack of components/necessary industrial capacity to create replacement ones".
+
+Or to take the word salad I just created and distill it a bit: it's not an either/or, it's *multiplicative* and it stacks, which translates to a giant Fucking Yikes if you're a RuAF pilot.
+--- 57985509
+>>57984841
+>>57985003
+Hm, I see, thanks for the answers.
+
+But how exactly does somebody maintain an airframe? 
+Seems to me that there are a limited number of sorties that they can withstand, and once that is reached, they would simply cannibalize the plane and ditch the bare airframe for scrap.
+The way you do when a car frame is to rusted or bent.
+--- 57985544
+>>57982975
+Theres nothing wrong with that, that's just so their commander can claim their wages for himself, it's what the pilots would've wanted anyway. He probably even shared some with their family
+--- 57985599
+How much parts commonality does the foxbat and foxhound have?
+--- 57985608
+I thought these were better than the SR71?
+--- 57985610
+There was a story from last year about how the European civilian aircraft authority stopped issuing permits for Russian carriers, meaning all those leased Airbuses were effectively grounded. The Russians just figured they may as well stop paying for them and run them into the ground servicing the domestic market.
+--- 57985665
+>>57982784
+>I'm assuming engine failure
+Yeah mig 31 is my favorite Russian plane because hit the go fast bong but it's always had engine problems.
+>>57982985
+There's nothing modern enough on the mig 31 to get affected and Russia's larp about modernization, which was larp to begin with, and the sanctions cutting off what little modernization existed in the first place.
+--- 57985803
+>>57985608
+"no"
+--- 57985895
+>before the war
+everythings good
+>after the war
+Russian planes falling off the sky like flies
+
+Maybe there is actual sabotage from the engineers and mantainance crews?
+--- 57985993
+>>57985895
+Nah, no principles so no reason to do that. 
+There is plenty of reason to produce non-conforming spares (a global problem) then sell those for yacht money.
+
+There is also plenty of reason for the good techs to have left the armed forces to make better money elsewhere. If you are a decent aircraft mechanic or technician you can do better than Russia.
+--- 57986020
+MiG-31 successfully made it back to the ground under it's own power you stupid hohols.
+--- 57986089
+>>57983895
+I'm a layman and even I can see how fucking grim the situation you painted is. Thank God I'm not Russian.
+--- 57986177
+>>57983037
+>>57983088
+retvrn to tradition
+--- 57986196
+>>57983088
+sauce on those A320 vids?
+--- 57986233
+>>57984512
+>tfw I'm almost 30 and I still can't watch the scene with the pilots killed in combat ascending to heaven without tearing up
+--- 57986370
+>>57985509
+>Seems to me that there are a limited number of sorties that they can withstand, and once that is reached, they would simply cannibalize the plane and ditch the bare airframe for scrap
+Correct. Usually an airframe is rated for hours/cycles. However hard landings and over-Gs can create microcracks in the structure which have to be kept an eye on to prevent early fatigue or worst case scenario an actual crack propagation.
+Depending on the aircraft and the cost analysis of upgrades vs buying new aircraft, you can get away with refurbishing airframes. For example the F-16 has an upgrade program that adds 4,000 hours to the original 8,000 because upgrading the aircraft means you'll be using it for the next couple of decades. There's also some neat stuff regarding the composite patching of cracked metallic structures.
+--- 57986498
+>>57985509
+>>57986370
+mig-31 is especially susceptible to airframe fatigue thanks to the genius idea of using titanium
+--- 57986736
+>>57984988
+>*muffled BLYAAAAAAAAAAT* in the distance
+--- 57987035
+>>57982718 (OP)
+Don't think they ever got around to producing -31s with D-30F6M engines, so they're still running around with the 'ol D-30F6s designed back in the 70s. AFAIK that thing had a very basic HP turbine cooling setup, likely single pass and as far as I'm aware no film cooling, impingement cooling, complex internal geometry, etc. Also not single crystal either, and I doubt they've been making single-crystal versions of them.
+TLDR they're antiquated tech which need constant replacement.
+Ironically, how antiquated they are means they'll probably also last longer in a deteriorated state before catastrophically failing because they run much cooler than modern turbines but their lifespan is a lot shorter.
+--- 57988247
+>>57986370
+
+I see, very informative, thanks.
+
+Do you know how exactly they extend the life? I doubt that adding metal mass, in the cracks, via welding would do the trick.
+
+>>57986498
+Titanium = hard
+Obviously that would make the plane more durable.
+Next you'll tell me that making pickaxes out of diamond is not viable.
+--- 57989853
+>>57982745
+Lols
+--- 57990229
+>>57984574
+kek
+--- 57990250
+>>57986498
+how so? is it just due to titaniums work hardening properties?
+--- 57990441
+>>57982784
+>Does Ukraine have 31s
+If it did, it wouldn't be having trouble with Russian ones.
+--- 57990474
+>>57990250
+Due to the forces a jet fighter is under when travelling at high speed, ideally you want something with a little give in it. With titanium being as hard as it is, it tends to just crack or snap under pressure, which leads to wear and tear building up much faster than with other materials.
+--- 57990532
+>>57990474
+so how did the sr71s get away with it?
+--- 57990699
+>>57990532
+they didn't
+--- 57990761
+>>57988247
+Depends on what needs replacing, most skin structure can be replaced if need be, if a spar is cracked but not to the extent it needs to be scrapped then you'd drill out the crack or crack ends, depending on how big it is (to prevent it from propagating further, the circular holes distribute the stress) and slap doubler plates on top.
+A lot of times these limits are imposed with some safety margin involved so the airframe may not necessarily have reached its EOL.

k/57983547.txt

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+-----
+--- 57983547
+>When the British fired their guns, the Germans took cover. When the Germans fired their guns, the British took cover. When the Americans fired their guns, everybody took cover.
+--- 57983614
+>>57983547 (OP)
+What's so interesting in pleasure boats?
+--- 57983637
+Before and after the shelling they look pretty similar honesty.
+--- 57983660
+american geography goes so hard yet its still 360 million retards
+
+they take pride in their shit being slightly better than countries with 1 / 100th gdp and people
+
+ofcourse this is cope and im jelous but still
+--- 57983681
+its a bigger travesty what the americans did to monte cassino desu
+--- 57983750
+>>57983547 (OP)
+All together now. USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
+--- 57983757
+>>57983681
+Worth it.Better than speaking german
+--- 57983766
+>>57983660
+haha fuck you for being poor and shitty with english
+--- 57983771
+>>57983547 (OP)
+Europe should have thought about that before chimping out AGAIN
+--- 57983773
+>>57983547 (OP)
+Wow, this changes everything! I agree the good guys lost now. GOIDA!
+--- 57983774
+>>57983757
+every day more allied lies get exposed
+He will be exhonorated within our lifetime
+--- 57984054
+>>57983660
+Holy fuckin ESLnigger.
+--- 57984204
+>Muh evil yankees
+East German communist garbage.
+--- 57984412
+>>57983547 (OP)
+i hate mutts so much its unreal
+--- 57984517
+>>57983757
+German > Spanish >>>>ebonics though
+--- 57984535
+>>57984517
+tru dat
+--- 57984612
+Big deal. Italy turned into a crater during the late stages of the war. Bongs and mutts discriminately carpet bombed everywhere. Those boats are just a sidenote. I'm not mad at the americans because they practically rebuilt my country for free, but the bongs can go to hell
+--- 57984639
+>>57984612
+>I'm n-not mad at the US 
+>B-b-but the bongs 
+Stay mad and join the queue turdie
+--- 57984677
+>>57983547 (OP)
+We really should have nuked the Krauts. It made Japan much more compliant.
+--- 57984686
+>>57984412
+skill issue
+--- 57984698
+>>57984412
+>its unreal
+Probably.
+--- 57984699
+>>57984612
+Joined the wrong side and got fucked for it. What part of "loser" do you not understand.
+--- 57984720
+>>57984677
+>We really should have nuked the Krauts.
+We made a critical mistake in not nuking the Krauts and the Soviets along with the Japanese.
+--- 57984824
+>>57983547 (OP)
+Usually was the case. Cassino comes to mind
+--- 57984833
+>>57983660
+What brown intellectual paradise are you from, Pedro?
+--- 57984849
+redpill me on montecasino. my grandmother lived in the area and said most of the valuables were moved before the battle and returned
+--- 57984865
+>>57984720
+I would include the French in there just as a fuck you. 
+
+Franco-Germanic philosophy is the root of all the evils we are currently dealing with today.
+--- 57986222
+>>57984849
+>German in charge of the defense was Fridolin von Senger und Etterlin. He was a member of the same order as the Priests of Monte Cassino were . (Pic related, Tall officer holding the door for the Priests.)
+> Makes a point to keep his men out as much as possible
+> recon flights and observers notice the artillery being towed into to support the attack
+>Sends messages to the British about allowing the Order and their treasures to leave unmolested
+>British agree and work out a safe route for the Germans to start shipping relics and clergy to Rome
+>Americans and Poles notice Germans up there moving the last of the relics
+>Poles swear up and down they saw a German observation post up there
+>Americans only to happy to corroborate and deploy bombers and artillery to flatten it.
+>Abbey is reduced to rubble.
+>Von Senger is incensed, orders his paratroopers forces to take up position inside the ruins and thereby making the battle a slog.
+>By the time the Poles and others reach the top, the Germans have withdrawn to the next part of the line
+>After the war, Von Senger suggested to his allied counterparts that they probably should not have started in the South.
+
+The Italian campaign was fucking hilarious. It was some real Team America: World Police type shit.
+--- 57986269
+>>57986222
+Cope.
+--- 57986277
+>>57984517
+Ebonics ate itself shortly ever being birthed. Educators realized one generation cannot speak to another generation which is a basic requirement of a language.
+--- 57986948
+>>57986269
+>w-were merely pretending to be retarded
+yea you are
+polenogs and jewdicks coming together to destroy history
+what a combo
+--- 57986983
+Some old despot's yachts which were already 90% destroyed?
+--- 57987030
+>>57983614
+Some of the biggest wooden ships ever built
+--- 57987056
+>>57984699
+>Joined the wrong side 
+It wasn't the one that Soviets were on
+--- 57987101
+>hurr durr Americans dumb
+Yes, that's very nice, totally original, definitely not recycled. I am truly in awe of european intellect
+--- 57988155
+>>57983547 (OP)
+oh no!
+anyway
+--- 57988734
+>>57983547 (OP)
+oh no not some hecking boats that were documented and photographed by the fascisti
+im sure they didn't investigate them thoroughly
+--- 57990535
+>>57988734
+>>57986983
+
+>examples of Americans talking about cultural relics
+--- 57990717
+>>57986948
+oh no not the heckin european history!!!
+fuck Europe lol. america #1
+--- 57990733
+>>57983547 (OP)
+KEK, is the the start of Germany's redemption arc?
+--- 57990742
+>>57986222
+Wasn't the problem on the British then for not communicating this transport scheme to their allies? How were they supposed to know that a building occupied by German soldiers wasn't actually an observation post?
+--- 57990879
+>>57983614
+The pleasure, anon.
+--- 57990901
+>>57984412
+>i hate mutts so much its unreal
+And you think we give a rat's ass?
+--- 57991125
+>>57990901
+nobody gives a rats ass what muttoids (especially you) think

k/57983560.txt

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+-----
+--- 57983560
+APOLOGIZE
+
+https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1651064961500848129
+--- 57983573
+>>57983560 (OP)
+yeah
+--- 57983582
+>>57983560 (OP)
+3 more days?
+--- 57983585
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>700,000 pointed at Europe
+That's a bit low isn't it? Given that NATO is around 5 million.
+--- 57983586
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>2025 onwards
+"2 more years"
+--- 57983589
+>back right before another ukie offensive
+The cope will be glorious, cant wait.
+--- 57983603
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>700,000 pointed at Europe
+--- 57983612
+>>57983560 (OP)
+At this point this HAS to be satire
+--- 57983619
+>>57983612
+I genuinely think he's at least partially self aware of his lolcow status
+--- 57983632
+>>57983560 (OP)
+Lol, what a faggot.
+--- 57983645
+>>57983560 (OP)
+Reminder that this guys served for like five years and came out as an O-2. He must have failed literally all of his reviews.
+--- 57983647
+>>57983612
+He had that one post where he said theres a chance the entire Ukraine war is a fient.
+
+Dude is so obviously taking the piss
+--- 57983674
+I like how he thinks he knows more than professional analysts and consultants, pulling numbers out of his ass
+I hope he makes new predictions for the upcoming hohol offensive
+--- 57983682
+>>57983560 (OP)
+Wasn't the mighty russian bear well over a million men strong according to this faggot just a few months ago?
+--- 57983732
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>700,000 vs 2,000,000+ (not even mobilized) with better logistics, weapons, food supplies and aircraft
+I'm sure Europe is very afraid from 2025 and onwards
+--- 57983741
+We have plenty of mulattoes to send to the front lines, thanks Merkel
+--- 57983759
+>>57983560 (OP)
+--- 57983769
+XAXAXA tremble butthurt belt))))) two more years then 700k thousands march to warsaw, ours rifle ready at hand tgree days taken)))) maybe berlin flies "customary flag" in two weeks)))) bear must not poked or bear leave cave forever))))))))))))
+--- 57983776
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>Bitching about the UK
+He really is a true vatnik
+--- 57983791
+>>57983560 (OP)
+I don't have a Twitter account, can someone call him a faggot for me?
+--- 57983795
+>>57983645
+9 years and O-3 lmao
+--- 57983796
+Hang on
+Is warriortard... Copelord????
+--- 57983797
+L M A O
+--- 57983806
+is he back and balder than ever?
+--- 57983812
+>>57983560 (OP)
+does he suffer from a mental illness? genuinely curious
+--- 57983818
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>russia wins by the skin of their teeth in a textbook definition of a pyrrhic victory in ukraine
+>the sanctions get stronger, russians are persona non grata from then on
+>poland has stated they'd fight russia if ukraine loses
+
+I don't know man
+--- 57983821
+>>57983797
+>Russia is suffering very few casualties
+I guess those 400k new mobiks and Pacific fleet sailors turned infantry are just prank by good ol' Vlad.
+--- 57983822
+>>57983812
+Terminal contrarianism, like most western ziggers
+--- 57983825
+>>57983818
+Not "if they lose", it's "if they look like they're losing."
+--- 57983828
+>>57983812
+he suffers from the illness known as male pattern hair loss
+--- 57983836
+>>57983795
+>>57983645
+And until you're shooting for 0-7 the only rule is "literally don't fuck up" to get promoted on a cadence LMAO
+even nutnfancy, one of the great retards of all time managed light bird without a hitch and he's too stupid to use a hatchet to chop wood
+--- 57983839
+>>57983560 (OP)
+It is not 700k even if you consider logistical personnel and military police/garrisons. The real number is probably around 450-550k.
+--- 57983844
+>>57983560 (OP)
+what happened to him that made him base his entire ego on how bad or good russia is at this war?
+--- 57983858
+>>57983794
+>a side whose mascot is a transsexual
+Lol this is what the second best military in the world is getting their teeth kicked in by
+--- 57983867
+>>57983844
+He was an officer in the US army. Russians probably wanted mole so they hooked him up with an underage and now got dirt on him. Sadly it turned out he's a retard and wholly useless. Since they don't want to waste assets they just have him post pro-Russian nonsense on twitter.
+--- 57983868
+Kek this copelord and the screaming cat never fail to make my day better.
+--- 57983870
+>>57983812
+Full-blown 5th columnist is my bet. He probably got groomed on some discord channel like the twink who leaked intel and decided Russia was hella based and red pilled. His rants follow the same trajectory as a lot of orc propagandists: they all read off the script the Kremlin gave them at first but had to abandon it when everything went to shit, so they either made things up for months or said nothing. He probably got a new script from his handlers or just generic orders to make shit up on the regular.
+--- 57983878
+>>57983794
+Nice try, globohomo.
+--- 57983880
+>>57983560 (OP)
+This reeks of bait
+>posts absurd cope
+>returns to twitter right before the supposed big Ukrainian offensive
+He might actually have been a Ztard sometime in the past, but he's obviously self-aware now and decided to come back and have fun at the expense of the retards who take him seriously.
+--- 57983884
+>>57983776
+i don't know why we get singled out, we might be in the upper level of providing support to Ukraine (nowhere near the US ofc) but we're hardly the only ones.
+--- 57983885
+>>57983821
+Conscripts don't get sent to the front
+--- 57983890
+>>57983794
+the original wasn`t a tranny though, it was stolen by them later
+--- 57983957
+>>57983885
+>Conscripts don't get sent to the front
+BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... O wait this nigga serious
+--- 57983961
+>>57983880
+I bet it's that old unapologetic british humour that gets them, I used to hang with international students during college, the bongs were usually the most fun before they got drunk. They managed to piss so many people off because they thought the bongs were speaking seriously when they actually were just taking the piss.
+--- 57983977
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>Autistic rant about bongs 
+Lmao what's wrong with him
+>Army pointed at Europe 
+There's more than just the UK in yurop
+--- 57984016
+>>57983821
+Ah yes, the Balenciaga swimming goggles collection. Putin is a man of the utmost style.
+
+>>57983844
+See >>57983822, he was an abject failure in the US Army then turned to contrarianism to cope. That’s why he posts his ludicrous ideas about strategy and expects people to take him seriously, because he still fantasises about being on track for general instead of being a demonstrably incompetent washout. That or the Russians legitimately have kompromat on him, but if that were really the case I doubt they would have let him spend a whole 6 months in silence.
+--- 57984041
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>mfw
+--- 57984055
+>>57983884
+I think it has to do with the British historically meddling with Russia’s affairs for the past few centuries.
+--- 57984108
+>>57984055
+Iirc its Russian buthurt from the crimean war
+--- 57984114
+>>57983797
+>Russians have suffered very few casualties- at least a 1 to 10 ratio - and quite likely much lower
+
+what mod is this quivering pederast playing?
+--- 57984118
+>>57983794
+Grass. Touch some.
+--- 57984123
+>>57983884
+I think it's because of Crimean War. Russhits really dislike its outcome.
+--- 57984158
+Why does he keep doing it /k/?
+
+Why come back and post !all over again after getting blasted by history?
+--- 57984225
+>>57984158
+Humiliation fetish
+--- 57984237
+>>57984225
+it's the sensible thing to do really. if all you do is lose you might as well get off on it
+--- 57984261
+>>57983794
+>they're NAZIS
+>oh wait that won't work on 4chan
+>they're TRANNIES
+glad the shills finally did their research
+--- 57984314
+>>57983791
+
+Done
+--- 57984318
+>>57984041
+>mfw
+--- 57984329
+FSB is blackmailing this pedo right? 
+>Get back on twitter, Shinji. Or Ritter is going to have to go again
+--- 57984330
+>>57983612
+It's not satire or cope, you fucking idiot. It's called grifting and it is VERY lucrative for these faggots. Don't you ever find it strange how all the big social media personalities are pro-Russian alt-right types?
+
+It's because there is a focused psychological operation backed by the FSB to shape the western online discourse. When you make fun of these faggots, you need to realize that they don't care, because they got you to engage on their terms and every other idiot that sees this exchange will have already been psychologically primed by other mental shaping operations to believe it.
+--- 57984332
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>meds: not taken
+>walls: padded
+>hairline: receding
+>700000 strong russian army: hallucinated
+
+Trust the voices.
+~schiZo
+--- 57984339
+>>57984318
+imagine getting destroyed by that guy
+
+vatnig sisters... not like this...
+--- 57984356
+>>57984158
+Honestly if I was him and saw that ‘shaping operation’ post with the red arrows going round his hairline I’d have probably necked myself.
+--- 57984363
+>>57983560 (OP)
+His point about the last time the British had to rush troops on an expeditionary mission is retarded too. While ignoring the Falklands and arguably the gulf war, he chooses to use the war with Japan as his example. Completely ignoring the fact there was a major war on the European continent at the time and Japan actually lost that war.
+--- 57984374
+>>57984314
+NTA but kek
+--- 57984381
+>>57983961
+Copelord isn't British.
+--- 57984383
+>>57984330
+>Don't you ever find it strange how all the big social media personalities are pro-Russian alt-right types?
+
+might want to clear your cookies there
+--- 57984389
+>>57983582
+Two more weeks
+Z
+--- 57984413
+ArmCHAD Warlord
+>gets his info from both sides, open source 
+>gets featured on YouTube and critiques his views 
+>was an officer in the army
+>westpoint grad
+>probably has a comfy job now 
+Meanwhile /k/
+>gets all info from laser pig 
+>majority never served, but those who did were disgusting enlisted 11/13/19Mutt
+>highest level of education: “some college” (community college)
+--- 57984415
+>>57984330
+There's a buck to me made with these retards. I knew something was funny when Russell Brand started shilling for Russia.
+--- 57984418
+>>57984314
+holy kek that is amazing
+--- 57984433
+>>57984363
+>>57984330
+>>57984016
+>>57983961
+He is clearly playing to an American Zigger audience - which knows nothing about the UK, Europe or Russia, but Putin is based etc.
+
+He tried to be a military analyst - but was far too stupid & found the only audience that took to him was English-speaking russiaboos that don't know shit about anything military, Russia, Ukraine, Europe, UK, reality or touching a woman. 
+
+Him taking to them intuitively of course speaks volumes of quite the degree of body pillow jizzing nonce he is.
+--- 57984438
+>>57984413
+unironically that looks like great use of the original chad vs virgin format before it became me good vs bad
+--- 57984447
+>>57984413
+Meanwhile /k/
+>heads full of hair
+--- 57984449
+>>57983560 (OP)
+I wondered if they threatened him to return, or if they're simply paying him.
+--- 57984450
+>>57983674
+blows his mediocre military career as if it makes him an authority
+low ranking artillery officer iirc
+--- 57984455
+>>57984330
+You started good but then you derailed into meaningless ramblings. Ecelebs like to play the alt right card because it's controversial, and controversial opinion attract political debates, to which the unkempt masses are attracted like flies on crap. More people means more views and more ad revenue, patreon donations and eshop purchases.
+--- 57984458
+>>57984314
+Thanks anon.
+--- 57984471
+>>57984383
+Worry, forget to mention all the big leftists are also conveniently pro-Russia or at least anti-NATO. Richard Wolff was just recently on the H3H3 podcast with Hasanabi and they were literally just repeating Kremlin talking points.
+--- 57984479
+>>57984314
+I think you meant to say "Ork".
+--- 57984484
+>>57984314
+rules 1 and 2 you fucking niggers
+--- 57984494
+>>57984471
+I was very disappointed the Aussie man I enjoyed on youtube has an extremely leftist alt channel with a Russian talking point video about Ukraine that made me want to punch someone.
+
+To be serious, though, Russians knowingly work on people skeptical of the status quo. It hit me in like 2006 when Russia Today started creeping into the English sphere. Starting small - social issues in the US, bad Middle East wars by US & quirky Russia stories about bears and grandmas.
+--- 57984528
+>>57983794
+>m-marichka i-is actually TRANS, so THERE!!!!!
+Nigger what the fuck? What fucking form of cope/headcanon is this?
+--- 57984540
+>>57984494
+It's crazy how deep this rabbit hole goes if you try to dig into it. Gonzalo Lira was formerly known as Coachredpill and he was heavily involved with the alt-right, but then he immediately rebranded, moved to another country and started getting featured on Kremlin channels as a "pro-Russian American". Curious why a far-right figure suddenly started working with far-left pro-Russians like George Galloway?
+
+Did you know before he became Coachredpill, Gonzalo Lira was a Chilean RT contributor and (((filmmaker)))? Here he is on RT. It's just fascinating how one man's entire life seems to follow whatever the Kremlin talking point is at any given moment and he's made tons of money doing it, right?
+--- 57984565
+>>57984484
+--- 57984571
+>>57984484
+don't talk about the secret club and what else?
+--- 57984585
+>>57984484
+Shut the fuck up
+--- 57984587
+>>57984571
+
+DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE SECRET CLUB
+--- 57984594
+>>57984571
+Terminal newfaggotry ruined the net
+--- 57984599
+>he came back again
+>he's just as confident in his bullshit as the previous time
+Thank the lord. I was scared that the ukies would fuck up their offensive, but now that copelord blessed it with his shit takes, they're guaranteed to succeed. I don't think this man has been right about anything ever, even by accident.
+--- 57984618
+>>57984455
+>It's just a coincidence bro
+>It's just a coincidence all that these far-right and far-left personalities keep getting massive anonymous crypto donations
+>It's just a coincidence that all there network infrastructure just so happens to be housed in Russia
+>It's just a coincidence all these people can network with each other so effectively despite supposedly being on polar opposites of the political spectrum
+>It's just a coincidence bro
+>I wouldn't worry about it if I were you bro
+>(:
+--- 57984632
+>>57984540
+The West used to have near-zero immunity to Russian level of untruth, especially when neatly wrapped & fed under pretenses of "alternative to US hegemony". Now it's a bit different - and they have frankly shat the bed and burnt very many bridges, which could have netted them a better hand by like 2030. So thank fuck for them, at the end of the day, being stupid Russians.
+
+I used to read Western commentary way back, I fucking subscribed to the Economist, I'm ashamed to say - and then I saw their editorial on Medvedev being elected, and it was an honest to god piece "yes, and he has indicated he is more liberal than Putin, so we can expect certain policies". And I'm going "he's a fucking sockpuppet, because Putin is doing the Russian thing of keeping things formally legal because they are a stupid, performative culture".
+
+And that's when I understood: being born in what was the USSR in 1989, and growing up there, has given me a better understanding of Russians than fucking analysts, experts and policy-makers in the West. Which is horribly depressing and unnerving.
+--- 57984724
+>>57984413
+did he actually go to west point
+how did he get in if he couldn't manage to get past O-3 after nine years
+--- 57984741
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>just two more years
+no actual way lmao
+--- 57984754
+>>57984632
+My personal conspiracy theory is that a lot of people knew the truth about Russia, but for various convenient reasons like economical and being afraid that people wouldn't support too harsh policies without sufficient justification, just played along. They all were happy to ignore the reality of Russia or even cover it until Russia pushed too far.
+--- 57984755
+>>57983603
+Pointed at Europe feet-first and six feet underground.
+--- 57984767
+>>57983674
+1 British division is worth at least 20 Russian divisions
+--- 57984781
+>>57983884
+They are not entirely wrong, if you remove Britain's role in all of this there would be much less effective help to Ukraine.
+--- 57984788
+>>57984484
+what about /b/?
+--- 57984799
+>>57984754
+That I think is sort of true, but not understanding the mentality is a big part of it. I think Crimea shocked the West sincerely, I was lightly surprised - mostly because I expected them to go elsewhere. But always expected some cuntery.
+--- 57984808
+The Vatnik Twittersphere really is something else
+
+https://twitter.com/gymdude_16/status/1651223224817008642
+--- 57984830
+>>57983674
+>muh professionals 
+lmao
+--- 57984854
+>>57983812
+This is just how the ruscist disease works, how it's unrepentantly worked for hundreds of years. The mental screed goes something like "everybody is lying, so therefore the best truth to believe is our own truth."
+--- 57984867
+>>57984754
+>They all were happy to ignore the reality of Russia or even cover it until Russia pushed too far.
+Worst ones were the business, finance and political leaders high on neoliberalism who bought into the charade that Putin and Medvedev presented to them. It was simply lucrative to believe the lie and grease the corrupted wheels of Russia with euros and dollars. I'd throw every single rat shit cunt from 90's to 2010's to jail for high treason who even so much as invested to the shithole currently known as Russia.
+--- 57984900
+>>57983797
+Brilliant
+Make that man a four star general asap
+--- 57984901
+>>57984314
+doing the lord's work
+--- 57984925
+>>57984808
+I like to look at the replies to these kind of posts, every once in a while, and go on a little tour of pro-russian twitter circles. Especially in regards to what opinions they hold on other topics
+>75% of Ukraine is openly Nazi!
+>#HunterBidensLaptop (posted 3h ago, not 3 months ago)
+>GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF TIKTOK AND PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SKIES (with pictures of a bunch of contrails)
+>#TitanicNeverSank
+>Fluoride is making you and your kids dumb....... The proof is coming out......Keep your children safe.........#illuminati
+>Wagner found a building where the Ukrainian Nazis were torturing civilians using an electric chair. #ZelenskyWarCriminal
+
+#ZelenskyWarCriminal is especially good to find absolutely unhinged takes on absolutely everything.
+--- 57984927
+>>57984413
+>gets featured on YouTube and critiques his views
+
+>gets all info from laser pig
+
+
+weird that you would bring up his public depantsing as if it was a point is his favor...
+--- 57984945
+>>57984618
+>there
+you might have a point if you knew what you were talking about.
+--- 57984952
+>>57983560 (OP)
+--- 57984958
+>>57984754
+Everyone just had too much hope that Russia would bounce back into some form of humanity outside of Communism or Mafia rule. It was the same sort of dumb ideological hope that made some think nation building in the middle east could work.
+--- 57984969
+>>57983795
+>>57983836
+He didn't make O-3, his bio at one point said he was a former Lieutenant. It got changed at some point, presumably when he realised that to anyone with a passing knowledge of the military that rank with that many years screamed "RETARD ALARM"
+--- 57984972
+>>57983560 (OP)
+--- 57984978
+>>57984594
+yep, Eternal September since 1993
+--- 57984987
+>>57984952
+those 10 strands of hair hanging on to the top of his head like it is the fucking titanic.
+--- 57984991
+>>57983884
+The amount of asshurt around the globe STILL directed at Britain is incredible. Entire countries, peoples and cultures brits are hardly aware of still impotently seethe at our tiny rain swept island.
+--- 57984996
+>>57984987
+the homer simpson hair (or lack thereof)
+--- 57984998
+>>57984927
+And Lazer pig isn't even a particularly source of info for the war, but to his credit he was able to deal with the clearly retarded situation Gonzalo had set up.
+--- 57985026
+>>57984991
+>Labour MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy asked if he would make a "full and meaningful apology" and "commit to reparatory justice".
+>The PM said "no"
+>The UK government has never formally apologised for its role in the trade.
+Kek
+--- 57985027
+>>57984381
+he looks it
+--- 57985053
+>>57984925
+>#ZelenskyWarCriminal is especially good to find absolutely unhinged takes on absolutely everything.
+
+Holy shit you're right lmao
+--- 57985056
+do they even have 36 active, combat-effective brigades
+--- 57985101
+>>57984969
+>He didn't make O-3, his bio at one point said he was a former Lieutenant. It got changed at some point, presumably when he realised that to anyone with a passing knowledge of the military that rank with that many years screamed "RETARD ALARM"
+How shit do you even have to be, to be stuck like that?
+You'd need to legit fuck the wife of the reviewer for it, in my country
+--- 57985110
+>>57985056
+Officially? Sure.
+Gotta embezzle those soldier salaries.
+--- 57985123
+>>57984471
+yeah both sides are going to have to take out the trash. tucker has conveniently been shuffled off to coventry but there's enough more.
+--- 57985134
+>>57983812
+refractory late-stage malding
+--- 57985164
+>>57985053
+>How dare ZelenSSky attack mighty Puccia?!
+>literal war crime
+--- 57985170
+>>57985056
+on paper, also plenty of cold war rustbuckets
+--- 57985183
+>>57984925
+
+For all of their hand-wringing about Ukronazis and what not, the Russians may very well wind up causing a partial rehabilitation of Nazism in the Western world. The narrative from now will be "Hitler was wrong for what he did to the Jews, but by golly, he sure was right about those fucking Russians and he should have killed more of them."
+--- 57985191
+>>57985101
+I mean... look at his analysis of Ukraine. Now imagine that same level of analysis applied to an actual military. I'm more amazed he was able to become an officer in the first place, and in a teeth arm as well.
+--- 57985198
+>>57985134
+It's actually a brilliant tactical feint. 
+He's attrited the main force of his forehead with the chaff hair and now he has all the elite hair in reserve for a decisive offensive later.
+--- 57985213
+>>57985056
+Probably but British brigades are known for being, you know, reasonably educated, made up of contract soldiers and able to do complicated tasks.
+
+>>57985191
+Imagine what it'd be like being in a company under him holy fuck.
+--- 57985217
+>>57985026
+>“Will he do what Bernie Grant asked all those years ago, what I have asked, and what countless others have asked since, and offer a full and meaningful apology for our country’s role in slavery and colonialism, and commit to reparatory justice?”
+>Sunak responded: “No."
+Perhaps I was too harsh on him.
+--- 57985221
+>>57985183
+The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is going to continue reflecting badly on both of them.
+--- 57985226
+>>57984969
+How do you spend 9 years as an O2? You'd have been pushed out by then.
+
+Was he enlisted first?
+
+>>57983836
+Yeah but 'fuck up' can mean so many different things in the context of being an officer, such as your company got too many DUIs, or just becoming uncompetitive if you happen to not deploy before company command. Its also highly dependent on branch, ADA was like 98% of officers making O-5 if they stay in. Some branches are far more competitive. 
+
+>>57983870
+>>57983647
+>>57983867
+Rather than some big blackmail scenario it really looks more like a 'when prophecy fails' thing. He was a true believer and now hes coping. 
+
+>>57983957
+With a face like that better ukraine than afghanistan.
+--- 57985234
+You people will ridicule this guy for his coping and shilling, but he, at least, gets something from it — exposure via Russian media, support, if not outright payola. You people cope and shill for FREE, just because you enjoy the propaganda narrative.
+--- 57985246
+>>57985234
+Is this how you cope?
+--- 57985248
+>>57984016
+>That or the Russians legitimately have kompromat on him, but if that were really the case I doubt they would have let him spend a whole 6 months in silence.
+this
+he seems like a regular fuckup that escaped into contrarianism
+big serge or RWA is another thing, RWA especially seems like directly employed by the IRA with how he fellates Prigozhin all the time
+--- 57985250
+>>57985234
+>You people cope and shill for FREE, just for the lulz
+Fixed and yes.
+--- 57985283
+>>57983560 (OP)
+Nigga should keep writing his teenage girls war novels instead of simping for Russia.
+--- 57985289
+>>57984055
+and Russia did it to the UK as well. Russians are retarded because they don't understand the Great Game was entirely about subversion on every level, to allies and enemies alike. 
+The reason Russians don't understand this is due to the fact the average Russian is barely above the IQ of a fucking Nigerian and your entire history was cannibalised and cleansed of its downfalls by the CCP rather than showing the failings for what they were. 
+Tsarist Russia, the British Empire, the French Empire, the Spaniards and so forth were all playing political 5D chess but the average understanding from the average slav, who's a farm peasant elevated to a peasant that lives in communist hand me downs, is that Britain caused all the issues Russia faced over the past 200 years and Russia didn't deserve it despite Russia being just as dirty as everyone else. 
+It's how global politics in the 1800s worked.
+--- 57985302
+>>57985234
+I'm not coping though, because unlike him, I've been right in my predictions more often than note.
+I'll admit to have been wrong about some things, for example, I was wrong when I thought Russia was going to win militarily in Ukraine and that they were going to have to deal with an insurgency. Boy, I was way wrong on that.
+--- 57985343
+>>57985191
+>I mean... look at his analysis of Ukraine
+>analysis
+More like delusions
+
+>Now imagine that same level of analysis applied to an actual military.
+Kek, he seems a chuuni that thinks he's Napoleon
+Must have been a funny time
+--- 57985347
+>>57985217
+Why would he. We literally spent lives in wars and half the empires wealth/political will trying to free all these noggers.
+I think they're looking in the wrong place, the UK paid it's debt several fold by forcing the over 4 millennium old trade dead.
+--- 57985360
+>>57983560 (OP)
+--- 57985372
+>>57985110
+>Projecting this hard
+Russian accusations are confessions.
+--- 57985397
+anyone have the screenshot of him replying to the parody account dedicated to him?
+--- 57985414
+>>57983560 (OP)
+This guy is clearly memeing at this point. No way he isn't just farming for the attention
+--- 57985423
+>>57984314
+Based
+--- 57985459
+>>57983560 (OP)
+As retarded as he is, I admire his dedication. 
+
+>>57985213
+>Imagine what it'd be like being in a company under him holy fuck.
+There's a pretty good chance someone on /k/ worked with him and I'm waiting for a tell-all. The only base I know he was stationed at at some point was Schofield (which means I actually lived not too far from this retard, maybe I even saw him at Costco or something).
+--- 57985471
+>>57984314
+Amazing work, anon
+--- 57985497
+>>57985183
+If /pol/ wasn't so terminally contrarian and/or pozzed by Russian glowies they could have used Azov and the pro-Ukraine bandwagon to (at least partly) normalize/erode the stigma against far-right groups in the west
+>>57985217
+Sunak was raised in a posh English boarding school, so (besides the obvious bit of him being Punjabi) doesn't differ all that much from any other public school Tory; the idea that he'd turn the country into an Indian vassal state or something was only ever a thing in the minds of delusional pajeets
+--- 57985502
+>>57983797
+Okay, I understand that he's basically just telling vatniks whatever they want to hear. Like, I understand that's what he's trying to do to gain social media clout or whatever. But who in their right fucking mind looks at this kind of shit and unironically thinks it's true? 
+
+I am completely on ukraine's side and I wish nothing but death on the russian state, but even I have to admit that losses are extremely high on both sides. Modern war between two peer opponents is a fucking meat grinder, this is just common sense. So what is happening here? Who the fuck sees blatantly untrue bullshit like "russia has suffered few casualties" and actually thinks its true? Why has common sense gone completely out the window for such a large group of people?
+--- 57985523
+>>57984314
+unequivocably based
+--- 57985541
+>>57983797
+> sends men to draw fire
+Lmao! Food to bait wolves! They must send in a few men with scopes to find foes and call in the big guns to bomb them.
+> shooting hundreds of rockets here and there
+Rocket batteries are best used to hit gun batteries, in other words as counter battery fire, and hit command and control, and hit supply dumps. Rocket batteries have long range and can fire more at a time than gun batteries can, but gun batteries are better shots, can change aim if there's a miss, and shells are less price.
+> drones, drones, drones
+A drone is a small plane. The Rus still treat them like a wonderwaffe when you should treat them as a plain old tool to find a place to bomb. Space cams can do this as well. You'd think the Rus space crafts up there will do some thing but sure as hell they aint
+> send in men and tanks to mop up
+Hope they dont run into a trap lol
+--- 57985549
+>>57984330
+>this exchange will have already been psychologically primed by other mental shaping operations to believe it
+This is the most important part of your post. Looking from the outside, when wheelchair copelord says that Ukraine is taking 10-to-1 losses or that Russia has a secret fleet of T-90s behind the Urals; we all know that is a fucking lie. But there are people who have been primed to not only believe this blatant lie, but to also assume anyone saying anything to the contrary is evil and their enemy. The point where I disagree with you is the part where you wholesale blame the FSB for this state of affairs. They are taking advantage of it for sure, but this is entirely the fault of Western media consumption habits and the algorithm that drives it. There's too much profit motive in making people completely delusional.
+--- 57985592
+>went nowhere with his military career
+>balding
+>constantly and egregiously wrong about absolutely everything
+>constantly being humiliated for his wrong opinions
+>wrote one of the world's most embarrassing "books"
+Life must be hard for him
+--- 57985622
+>>57985592
+He can't take a single step back. If he recognizes a drop of reality, the rest will flood in the hole he's dug.
+--- 57985625
+>>57983603
+I'm going to the USA next week. Would having this saved on my phone get me in trouble on customs?
+--- 57985640
+>>57985198
+>>57984314
+Yooo send him this
+--- 57985771
+>>57984952
+should just shave it all off by that point
+--- 57985804
+>>57984314
+lol
+lmao
+--- 57985810
+>>57985414
+Are you aware of his books and their "plot"?
+This is a man completely unburdened by any sense of self-awareness.
+--- 57985824
+>>57983560 (OP)
+When we needed him most... the King of Cope returned.
+--- 57985827
+>>57985810
+he's basically a military themed doug walker lmao
+--- 57985831
+>>57980000 →
+--- 57985876
+>>57984374 
+>>57984418 
+>>57984458 
+>>57984479 
+>>57984484 
+>>57984901 
+>>57985423 
+>>57985471 
+>>57985523 
+>>57985640 
+>>57985804
+
+Seven days lol
+--- 57985904
+>>57985026
+No reason for the UK to apologise for slavery anyways, they shed blood to end it worldwide.
+--- 57985969
+>>57985289
+Russians have the biggest victim complex ever. They'll rapidly revolve between denying and joyfully crowing about horrific crimes comitted by Russia against others, but as soon as anyone does anything back against russia (or even just refuses to kneel down and let russia have their way with them) its all suddenly how hard done by and bullied Russia is.
+--- 57986003
+>>57985969
+The projection on display. Americans have the world's biggest victim complex, constantly imagining the world is out to get them and using it as an excuse to invade and occupy everyone.
+--- 57986037
+>>57986003
+
+We don't need an excuse, we're just better than you.
+--- 57986048
+>>57986037
+Gonna be so funny watching the US balkanize.
+--- 57986053
+>>57986003
+>those wacky Americans, how dare they justify their SMOs!
+Seethe, pidor.
+--- 57986083
+>>57986048
+Americanempiredeathspiral.jpeg
+
+Seethe eurosubhuman, enjoy rolling around on this dirt ball while our space force conquers the stars.
+--- 57986118
+>>57986003
+I'm not american, ya dumb cunt.
+--- 57986164
+>>57986048
+Half of the US wants this anyway
+--- 57986173
+>>57985625
+Customs can straight up search your phone and while nobody will ever be charged for saving or reposting these I wouldn't risk it anon, since it'd all be in the hands of the customs jackass.
+--- 57986192
+>>57983647
+>>57983612
+Why did he leave and go into interviews if he wasn't into it?
+--- 57986210
+>>57983674
+Good thing it isn't just the UK in NATO then, isn't it?
+--- 57986237
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>"Our glorious russian army will be pointed in europe in 2 more years!!!"
+>"Nooo why are you giving military tech and ammo to kill us we mean no harm to you!!!"
+What*s wrong with their heads? They openly threat europe and call them an enemy they want to destroy and they wonder why the other side is supporting a side that is killing russians?
+--- 57986255
+>>57983674
+Hes right it is totally inadequate, the Russians would not at least 3 times as many divisions given their performance thus far
+--- 57986268
+>>57986237
+It says a lot about Russia's ambitions that they aren't threatening to nuke Poland over their desire to get like 1500 tanks lmao
+--- 57986270
+>>57986003
+>constantly imagining the world is out to get them and using it as an excuse to invade and occupy everyone
+bur enough about Russia
+--- 57986288
+>>57984484
+Rule 1 and 2 were 'You do not talk about /b/'. This isn't /b/.
+--- 57986292
+>>57986048
+More Vatnik projection I see.
+--- 57986294
+>>57986048
+Nope, soon someone will do something stupid in China or somehwere and the US will have a unifying enemy.
+--- 57986297
+>>57985876
+Say you're British and were talking about the meat dish 'Faggot'.
+--- 57986313
+>>57983797
+Hes not even wrong, he just glosses over the shocking casualties the russians take in step 1, they ungodly logistics strain of step 2, and then exaggerates the casualties the ukes take as the end result. The basic outline of russian tactics are accurate though
+--- 57986342
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1651064961500848129
+--- 57986415
+>>57986342
+I hate moderates so much.
+--- 57986463
+>>57985876
+>unit construction complete
+>unit lost
+>building
+--- 57986562
+>>57983821
+>>57985502
+>>57985541
+People here basedface about Russian casualty numbers while forgetting that 50k of them are completely expendable and barely matter at all
+--- 57986620
+>>57983560 (OP)
+dont give zigger retards attention
+--- 57986666
+>>57984314
+Holy based.
+--- 57986696
+>>57986048
+Lol
+Lmao even.
+--- 57986824
+>>57985053
+The ifunny watermark is really the cherry on top.
+--- 57986964
+>>57984413
+What's your MOS?
+--- 57987034
+>>57984808
+30k?
+rookie numbers, imo its 6 million in 8 years
+--- 57987090
+>>57986048
+the funny thing is that US existed in the current form of govt since the end of 18th century, meanwhile puccia collapsed twice in the last century and had a civil war, couple marxist genocides, highest casualty rate of ww2 and 2 wars with chechenya
+--- 57987099
+>>57984413
+Just don't ask why he joined or left the army
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRT-t7eNPk&t=1044s [Embed]
+--- 57987125
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>700k
+That would suggest 2.3m irreplaceable casualties unless he means only frontline ground troops.
+--- 57987174
+>>57984952
+more like nohair baldlord
+--- 57987216
+>>57984413
+>ArmCHAD Warlord
+>>gets his info from both sides, open source
+>>gets featured on YouTube and critiques his views
+>>was an officer in the army
+>>westpoint grad
+>>probably has a comfy job now
+>Meanwhile /k/
+>>gets all info from laser pig
+>>majority never served, but those who did were disgusting enlisted 11/13/19Mutt
+>>highest level of education: “some college” (community college)
+--- 57987249
+>>57985183
+As a historian, I am hoping (despite the low likelihood) that it will finally lead to some examination of USSR casualties during WW2.
+The "human wave" fable pushed by inept German generals and the "German atrocities" pushed by USSR revisionism will hopefully one day get swept out of the history books and replaced by the far more likely scenario - those casualties are that high because some Russians fought against the USSR. There was no "Great Patriotic War".
+--- 57987339
+>>57984724
+No he went to Clarkson I believe. Was in their ROTC program. Nine years active service plus two years in the reserves.
+--- 57987351
+>>57984413
+I refuse to believe he's a West Point grad, he must be ROTC or something. I'm not even American and I can't for a second they'd admit a retard like that, let alone let him graduate. He never made it past O-2. That's just, fucking, no. Even the glue sniffers of West Point are supposed to be leading companies before long in their careers.
+--- 57987358
+>>57984952
+Wut hair defense doing?
+--- 57987369
+>>57983797
+>let recon draw fire
+The most retarded statement ever, lets have the lightly equipped guys take a metric fuck ton of fire
+--- 57987440
+>>57983674
+How will russia deliver ammo and supply to these divisions?
+--- 57987441
+>>57983957
+Is he 12? lol
+--- 57987447
+>>57984314
+kek
+--- 57987472
+>>57987440
+Didn't the Tuvans promise a bunch of ponies or something?
+--- 57987501
+>>57984471
+Crazy to me how right wingers fell for it though, imagine every single talking point you come out with directly ensuring that your country is weaker on the public stage
+>we should leave nato
+>we should pull out of europe and not engage with any other conflicts
+>we should be isolationist 
+Like really? This is the shit that supposed "Patriots" are coming out with? Who do you think is filling that power vacuum?
+--- 57987532
+>>57987501
+>Who do you think is filling that power vacuum?
+they aren't thinking that far Anon, Trump started sucking Putins dick and they lined up behind him
+--- 57987569
+>>57986003
+>>57986048
+Posts like these make me think vatniks actually understand exactly how wrong everything Russia is doing right now and how they're about to end up as a failed state, they're just hiding it beneath cope and projection.
+--- 57987571
+>>57984314
+kek
+--- 57987573
+>>57984413
+I have more hair than COPElord, so I claim legal victory.
+--- 57987769
+>>57987569
+>hey're about to end up as a failed state
+they're already a failed petrostate, like Saudi Arabia with less good taste in cars.
+take away the oil money and Russians would be eating each other again just like Leningrad
+>Reports even described how one mother smothered her eighteen-month-old to feed her three older children and a plumber killed his wife to feed his sons and nieces.
+
+>During the siege a special police force was even created to combat cannibalism, but they still struggled to maintain order and prevent people from eating the dead, or killing the living for their flesh.
+--- 57987801
+>>57987099
+Holy kek, those tics, this fucker obviously has a story he doesn't want to tell. Has anybody who actually served with ot under this "warlord" told the real story of what happened or how he functioned as a soldier/commander? Genuinely curious, because he seems like a fucking retard.
+--- 57987809
+>>57987769
+True, I guess by failed state I was imagining something like s. sudan
+--- 57987825
+>>57983560 (OP)
+LEL.
+--- 57987869
+>>57985213
+>Imagine what it'd be like being in a company under him holy fuck.
+"Gang *twitch* now we're going *blink uncontrollably* to do a routine *twitch* movement and setup *nostrils flare like a jet engine nozzle afterburning* mission. I'm an expert in *twitch* this and I expect *hairline visibly recedes as he talks* to *blink* take anywhere between 50 and 60 *twitch* percent casualties while doing this."
+
+something like that I imagine.
+--- 57987870
+>>57987501
+Their logic is basically this
+>Britain ruled the world for centuries and stuck their nose into loads of things when they didn't have to and that caused them to lose the greatest empire in history
+>therefore....
+>We - as Americans and the apex of power on Earth - should learn from their mistake and pull out of getting involved in conflicts which may cause us to lose our position at the top just like they lost theirs. Being in NATO risks us doing 90% of the heavy lifting and getting involved in Africa and stuff is just a money and life drain. So we should concentrate on protecting America and America only
+Ignoring that every nation that has tried to stay in its own sphere has eventually had somebody knocking on the door. Ignoring that American isolationism helped cause WW2 which they got dragged into anyway because you can't be neutral in total war if you're trading with one of the belligerents.
+--- 57987896
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>>57983674
+Did he get hacked or did his posts always read like satire?
+--- 57987899
+>>57987870
+Britain's empire didn't collapse because they stuck their noses in places around the world. Britain's empire collapsed because the whole idea of a traditional clay holding empire like they had was not compatible with the modern age.
+--- 57987905
+I mean if Russia is so strong and has so many men and shit, why the fuck is it waiting? Why does it have to wait until 2025 to attack Europe? Surely Europe will be stronger by 2025? Attack them now. NATO is weak.
+--- 57987917
+>>57987899
+Again, that's their logic. The logic is that if the USA has to fight a major war they are going to get nothing out of it bar death and loss of money. Therefore it's better to close and bar the gates and make sure we're fine. Fuck everybody else.
+--- 57987928
+>>57987905
+bro they've killed 100,000 biolab nato generals in bakhmut already, why would they stop?
+--- 57987940
+>>57984318
+Damn Putin is losing to this?
+--- 57987953
+>>57987940
+>you're now aware that the mighty Russian Spetsnaz failed to get past a bunch of untrained civilians mobilized literally the day before to kill THIS GUY
+--- 57988037
+>>57987870
+Britians empire didn't collapse, it was deliberately dismantled by the US, that was the price of the financial aid that let them survive the world wars.
+--- 57988039
+>>57987809
+In international policy, a petrostate (majority of economy fully dependent on direct income from petrochemicals) is technically a failed state, but has not descended into human rights abuses and disaster conditions. If Sudan had all the oil and SA had none, guess who would be fucking top-shelf white whores and buying supercars, and who would be banding together in desert horse rape gangs to commit genocide?
+>tmyk.jpg
+--- 57988068
+>>57983674
+>I like how he thinks he knows more than professional analysts and consultants, pulling numbers
+I know he doesn't but that's a really low bar to hold him up to
+--- 57988104
+>>57987351
+Maybe his hairline went to West Point. That’s what happened to it.
+Armchair Warlord; O-2.
+Armchair Warlords hair; General.
+
+The man’s not a Russian agent, he’s just annoyed his own fringe outranks him.
+--- 57988220
+>>57984314
+Fucking lmao
+--- 57988252
+2 more weeks till hairline recovery
+--- 57988289
+>>57985056
+how the hell did they get that cat to wear a hat?
+--- 57988316
+>>57985053
+>fucking ifunny
+exquisite if bait, very sad if genuine
+--- 57988318
+>>57983797
+meanwhile Adviika has been in arty range since 2015 and has yet to be taken
+--- 57988383
+>>57986048
+It will be funnier watching pidorussia balkanize, pidor.
+--- 57988393
+>>57984314
+fuckin kek
+>>57984330
+>>57984415
+>>57984433
+>>57985549
+In addition to this, has ever ever noticed on /pol/ and other contrarian circles that they somehow blame only the US and UK for all the bad shit happening in the west after winning WWII? They always post “at least we’re not speaking German” BS posts while leaving the rest of the allies, especially Russia out of the equation. And get in these same circles , they say china ans Russia are based and redpilled and how the Soviet Union and Stalin are the greatest things since sliced bread and single handed my won WWII.
+--- 57988440
+>>57988393
+>they say china ans Russia are based and redpilled and how the Soviet Union and Stalin are the greatest things since sliced bread and single handed my won WWII.
+Too much porn made in Russia and a desire to have a trad slave wife. Not joking. They won't say it openly but if you push them hard enough they'll start making threats about enslaving and raping women. That's all they want. Everything on top is just increasingly convoluted layers of cope and these countries take advantage of that since anyone who is that delusional will gladly take their propaganda and spread it, even act on it.
+
+This is the reason why NFTs were created and crypto grifters/scammers exist in general but on a far larger scale for something more vague than just money.
+--- 57988485
+>>57988104
+>Armchair Warlord; O-2.
+Nine fucking years in and its still "Mornin' Looey, how's everything today?"
+>topkek
+--- 57988570
+>>57986964
+38A
+--- 57988604
+>>57987099
+it just occurred to me that I was in the same unit as him, when I was a 13B at bliss. I don't have any memory of him because we never talked though. think his dad was a full bird
+--- 57988706
+>>57988440
+I swear every poster who talks about so called trad wives is incapable of explanning what “trad” even means or understanding it all together. These individuals themselves are also the complete opposite of “trad” men; unfit, unkempt, NEET, asocial at best, antisocial at worst, emotionally driven, ignorant, and incompetent. 
+While modern dating women, and overall society is pretty shitty, especially for the typical young male, these folks are nothing more than pots calling kettles black for being trash. They’re those shitty doomer Wojack foxes lusting for female grape Wojacks in sundresses. Now that I think about it, they probably want “trad” women because they’ve been coddled by single moms their whole lives and want a women to baby them because they’re incapable of taking care of themselves.
+--- 57988714
+He reminds me a lot of MacGregor. Both were passed over for promotion and left the Army due to obvious personal defects. Both have huge egos that are unsupported by their achievements. At this point they both had two choices: 1. Accept reality and adjust their self-image and personality to match their level(s) of success. Or, 2. Obtained success elsewhere to validate their inflated self-importance. 
+
+Both selected #2. Unfortunately for us, both were too lazy and stupid to actually produce opinions or analysis worthy of any legitimate recognition. Instead we just have two arrogant morons spouting bullshit constantly seeking affirmation. They stake out contrarian opinions and platforms to express themselves in the vain hope that, should their (unsupported, uninformed, and nonsensical) opinions be upheld by events, it will finally prove all the detractors wrong and vindicate their narcissism. 
+
+The good news is that their repeated public failures means that they can never ever obtain the conventional success/acceptance that they crave and will forever be stuck obtaining acceptance from fringe groups. Now they get to spend the rest of their pathetic lives unhappy and embittered by their own failures.
+--- 57988726
+>>57987809
+south sudan failed because they forgot to deal with their internal tensions first.
+--- 57988728
+>>57984952
+his hairline tactically retreated
+--- 57988736
+>>57988714
+that sounds like me...
+what do i do?
+--- 57988745
+>>57988485
+
+Is he counting like IRR time or something? Was he on indef hold due to him being court-martialed and it taking forever?
+--- 57988750
+>>57984041
+>>57984318
+>>57984339
+>>57987940
+>>57987953
+>mfw losing to this guy
+--- 57988757
+>>57988706
+"Trad" is a codeword for easy to abuse anon. I've gotten insulted a few times for saying this on this shithole of a website but if you actually sit down and talk to women they will all tell you that the number one concern in their lives is that men will attempt to abuse or rape them. They won't say this to you even if you try to date them but they are always on absolute maximum alert for signs that you might try to do some horrible shit. It's a constant.
+
+"Trad" is basically a vague set of behaviors that these people have picked up on, that signal women with codependent/dependent tendencies. They want someone that will never leave them and put up with their abuse forever. They're not open about it partly because they lack the introspective skills required to realize this and partly because they know how badly it'll reflect on them if they say it.
+
+Same thing with their obsession with young women, the "peak of sexual attractiveness being 14-16", the shit about the sexual market. It's all layers of cope and self delusion to hide the fact that they want a young-looking girl to degrade/take the virginity of, and they want that girl to actually be that young so they can assume absolute power over her. The idea of a "chad" implies that the woman has a choice, they do not want the woman to have a choice. They want their trad 16 year old waifu and they want the control.
+--- 57988814
+>>57988714
+>MacGregor
+Dougie made O-6 because he was intelligent enough to fill out routine paperwork in a routine manner on a routine schedule and occasionally snag a headline. I have no idea how much his grift is making him today but he is several orders of intelligence above Armchair Mollusk if nothing else
+>>57988745
+no shit right? 90% of your O-job is filling out forms in a timely manner, it's a job that could be done by hood chicks with dragon nails working at the DMV, how hopeless was this flattened feline?
+--- 57988819
+>>57985056
+You've it on the head, anon. Copelord and others of his ilk want to talk about hundres of thousands of soldiers in order to avoid mention of the T-55s that they'll be trudging alongside
+--- 57988823
+Should someone tell him that he's projecting the Russian military would be reduced by 400k?
+>onwards
+And given that it's a largely conscript based military, he's predicting massive emigration from Russia and/or horrific long term demographic damage from the war?
+--- 57988864
+>>57987351
+>I refuse to believe he's a West Point grad, he must be ROTC or something. I'm not even American and I can't for a second they'd admit a retard like that
+West Point has turned out some absolute dumbfucks, m8.
+--- 57988893
+hes on twitter (:
+--- 57988922
+>>57988570
+Zogbot glowie
+--- 57988988
+>>57988736
+Constantly tell yourself to stop talking, spend time actively working on yourself and listening to others, and use SMART goal setting to maximize your results. 
+
+You'll go from a loser narcissist with no skills, no life, and no achievements to....a vaguely annoying guy with a good job, some marketable skills, and a wife + kids. 
+
+ I can't promise you more than that.
+--- 57989009
+>>57988814
+Fair point. That said, I'd argue that with that additional intelligence and success above Warlord gave Doogie an even larger dose of self-importance.
+--- 57989052
+>>57988814
+
+I mean, unless he was prior NCO, is counting IRR time, and/or on some ridiculous indef hold (legal/court-martial?) it makes no sense. Even in a reserve unit you're still on the block for up and out. Was he Guard? I can see someone shamming their way through the cracks in a particularly fucked up Guard unit until a new CO came by and went full WTF.
+--- 57989058
+>>57985302
+>I was wrong when I thought Russia was going to win militarily in Ukraine and that they were going to have to deal with an insurgency.
+But you are actually not wrong....about the insurgency part. Russia will lose militarily, but it wouldn't have helped them if they HAD won. They'd still be surrounded by pissed-off Yooks thirsting for revenge, win or lose.
+Its just funnier that they'll lose....and THEN have to deal with insurgency anyway.
+
+(Also, don't forget that not all those "suspicious mystery fires" breaking out all over Puccia aren't all Yook double agents or dumb Russia smookers. Some of it is Russians blowing shit up on purpose with malice of forethought. Putin's Keystone Cops STILL don't have that under control.)
+--- 57989072
+>>57989052
+I think he got in trouble a couple times. He allegedly stole pizza.
+--- 57989088
+>>57983797
+this is the kind of post only a 5th columnist so far removed from the actual country he's shiling for can make. actual russian milbloggers and their followers don't even make or believe claims like this, because they at least have to remain somewhat grounded in reality.
+--- 57989216
+>>57988757
+Shit. You are right. Well said.
+--- 57989220
+>>57987569
+They do. Russians know they're coping, they just hope you're stupid enough to believe them, or at least to doubt yourself in the face of their "confidence." 
+
+>>57987769
+>take away the oil money and Russians would be eating each other again just like Leningrad
+It is vanishing as we speak.
+--- 57989270
+>>57987099
+aaaaahahaha wesley snipes' defense attorney in discussion with copelord
+--- 57989356
+>>57986173
+they are doing that though... right now. they're literally doing it.
+--- 57989434
+>>57985625
+Slim chance they'd check your phone and slimmer chance they'd see that or recognize what it is/means. It's basically public knowledge so it's not illegal to have. 99.999% chance you'd be fine but they can be jackasses.
+--- 57989526
+>>57988757
+Excellently put. However I must say there are some anons who do truly want a real read life and live whatever lifestyle of trad they wish, such as homesteading with a with and a bunch of kids or whatnot but that’s more of a desire for older and different times rather than some perverted hemorrhage in the brain.
+--- 57989541
+>>57985625
+When in doubt, use a burner phone. Although that itself might draw suspicion from cunty border agents.
+--- 57989560
+>>57984540
+>Gonzalo Lira was formerly known as Coachredpill and he was heavily involved with the alt-right,
+holy shit that's HIM? what the fuck
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyR5a5lFP9w [Embed]
+--- 57989588
+>>57989560
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3OGruy8EJ0 [Embed]
+--- 57989623
+>>57984632
+well yeah you got to see the 90s in Russia, but you have to understand that for the US, people were talking about "the end of history" and all kinds of other optimistic nonsense.
+--- 57989683
+>>57984374 
+>>57984418 
+>>57984458 
+>>57984479 
+>>57984484 
+>>57984901 
+>>57985423 
+>>57985471 
+>>57985523 
+>>57985640 
+>>57985804 
+>>57986666 
+>>57987447 
+>>57987571 
+>>57988220 
+>>57988393 
+>>57986297
+>>57986463
+--- 57989690
+>>57984318
+slaanesh >>>>>> nurgle confirmed
+--- 57989694
+>>57985876
+>youay not directly attack people on the basis of ... serious disease
+
+they mean AIDS right?
+--- 57989698
+>>57984471
+Pretty sure Hasan's just a fucking uneducated dipshit, and anti-NATO as fuck. "Ukraine could kick Russia's ass if we'd just give them more weapons" isn't really a pro-Russia line.
+--- 57989703
+>>57985625
+
+Fuck no, they don’t check anyone phones in customs. Hell, you aren’t even going to be x-rayed because only departures have to go through inspection. Just don’t fucking lie about what’s on your visa. If it says you’re here for vacation, just say that’s what your here for.
+--- 57989715
+>>57987099
+we know his name, I'm pretty sure we can look up his discharge papers
+--- 57989721
+>>57987351
+>
+--- 57989739
+>>57983573
+/thread
+--- 57989753
+>>57989721
+Is that the Copelord pre-malding?
+--- 57989763
+>>57984471
+And china too. Code Pink and it’s affiliated organizations literally rally for the US to remove naval bases from Guam and Hawaii and call any support for Taiwan as Asian hate. 
+These groups and their leaders are nothing but useful idiots and puppets.
+--- 57989768
+>>57989526
+Oh absolutely, but generally those anons will preface it with legitimate stuff like wanting to work remotely, wanting to buy a remote townhouse, disliking the hustle and bustle of the city/suburbs, etc. Nothing wrong with wanting that type of life and nothing wrong with wanting a girl who will do it voluntarily with you. Similarly I see nothing wrong with having lots of kids as long as you can adequately provide and care for all of them.
+
+It's just important to watch out for the dogwhistling and hidden messages.
+--- 57989790
+>>57989753
+No thats some retard who went to West Point then took those pictures at his graduation and got discharged from the military because of it
+--- 57989793
+>>57989072
+>He allegedly stole pizza.
+w-was it
+>hides face in hands
+c-cheese pizza?
+would not be surprised by I thought chomos got the boot instanter
+--- 57989806
+>>57984540
+Someone post the South America RT pic where they broadcast LGBT propaganda.
+>>57989588
+>most people would get the rumors 
+That cocksucker has lived there for years and never even bothered to learn the language, even if there were rumors he wouldn’t be able to understand anything through the grapevine.
+--- 57989879
+>>57989790
+I can't help but respect someone who has the balls to do something so funny and yet so idiotic
+--- 57989891
+>>57983812
+All jokes aside, it's not implausible. His facial tics could be a sign of tardive dyskinesia, which can result from long-term use of psychotics and other dopamine-blocking drugs.
+--- 57989892
+>>57989052
+>IRR time
+there's no way this faggot was enlisted
+--- 57989910
+>>57988604
+Maybe THAT would explain how he managed to make officer despite being so mentally deficient...
+--- 57989967
+>>57989790
+Reminder he sued and the US government settled.
+--- 57989983
+>>57989790
+Spenser Rapone. OTH discharge. 
+https://www.lockportjournal.com/news/army-splits-with-west-pointer-who-touted-revolt/article_806f9466-715e-5fef-adec-c1b7bf796178.html
+--- 57990011
+>>57987351
+West Point's standards have really corroded over the decades. It's no longer the Ivy League for military minds it once was
+--- 57990021
+>>57984952
+I love how everyone focuses on his hairline and ignores his fucking ticks.
+--- 57990056
+>>57990021
+Tics are excusable. Malding isn't.
+--- 57990089
+>>57987249
+That's a fascinating hypothesis. It's common knowledge the Germans committed atrocities against Russians and other Slavic peoples, but just how many of them took up arms against the Soviets and what proportion of the casualties did they embody? Could you kindly please elaborate?
+--- 57990139
+>>57987249
+In the Korean War, much do the Chinese human wave attacks happened to be by soldiers that served under the nationalists in the Chinese civil war but were captured or failed to make it to Taiwan. These men were likely used by Mao to kill 2 birds with one stone by overwhelming US/UN/SK defenses while snipping away future problems by the bud.
+ Ever wondered why much of Chinese media involving the war is historical fiction? Because it’s hard to get accounts from the war when most of the soldiers were either killed or later purged or happened to be on the wrong side of nu-Chinese history. Unsure of their combat prowess given their prior war against the communists and against the Japanese but in the early stages their efforts weren’t entirely futile.
+--- 57990312
+>>57989763
+Useful idiots implies they're just dumb. They're political prostitutes.
+--- 57990480
+>>57987869
+Why doesn't he just shave his head and wear a ballcap? Growing out bald hair is the worst look imaginable.
+--- 57990550
+>>57989690
+
+THE APEMAN WON'T ESCALATE THIS WAR! WHERE IS THE CARNAGE BETWEEN HIS CRUMBLING EMPIRE AND THE NATIONS OF THE WEST WE WERE PROMISED?
+--- 57990579
+>>57983560 (OP)
+>https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1651064961500848129
+He's right insofar as that Russia is at war with the west a whole, they have been for over a decade now, but they're not pretending they're not any more. So they will do us harm, and after years of concern about the Russian threat the west seems to be asleep now. Which is concerning.
+--- 57990595
+>>57990579
+Won't the apeman beastlord dare attack NATO? His skull must be taken by a more daring warlord who may live to russian bravado!
+--- 57990627
+>>57983884
+Because Crimean War, Russians never forget a grudge even if it's generations old
+--- 57990643
+>>57990550
+>>57990595
+>>57990624 →
+
+stop your dumbassed 40k avatarfagging,shit's more cringe than the vatniks
+--- 57990680
+>>57987441
+>2002 was 21 years ago
+Are we getting old bros?
+--- 57990691
+>>57985497
+Sunak comes across as authentically South Asia even less so than Obama as authentically African American. Over educated classical liberals who apologize for their farts. Then look at Boris and Trump who have an indeterminate number of kids by multiple women, egotist braggards and screwups. Now tell me who's the nigger?
+--- 57990710
+>>57990139
+I've never heard this before (that a lot of the Chinese 'volunteers' in Korea were ex-nationalist-army). Source? Makes sense.
+--- 57990711
+>>57984540
+I think I remember something about him being involved in a series of fraudulent businesses when he was CRP. He latched onto the drama between Kraut and EdgySphinx when Kraut got doxxed and his parents got swatted, and tried to frame Kraut for rape over the internet. What a guy.
+
+I doubt Lira has any core beliefs beyond making money with a minimum of effort on his part.
+--- 57990770
+>>57990680
+Do you really want the answer to this question?
+--- 57990785
+>>57990011
+>West Point's standards have really corroded over the decades. It's no longer the Ivy League for military minds it once was
+--- 57990956
+>>57984314
+Love it.
+--- 57990988
+>>57984599
+This.
+I feel much better now since he was 100% wrong about everything so far.
+--- 57990992
+>>57984494
+>I was very disappointed the Aussie man I enjoyed on youtube has an extremely leftist alt channel with a Russian talking point video about Ukraine
+Who are you referring to?
+--- 57991029
+>>57987440
+Tardlord has done calculations. I'll bet you haven't.
+--- 57991056
+>>57983797
+>tanks are mops
+Whew. vatnig tanks are the most over-engineered mops in the history of mankind.
+--- 57991163
+>>57988706
+>>57988757
+>>57988988
+>>57989216
+>>57989768
+You will never, ever be a woman, tranny freak.
+--- 57991473
+>>57984314
+lol