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Let's talk about shooters.
>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
>What are your favorite FPS games?
>How would you improve the genre?
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>>634332242 (OP)
I miss when FPS games all had server browsers
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>>634332917
Yeah. I also miss when FPS games had map editors/compilers, had powerful scripting languages mappers and gameplay scripters could use for custom maps and mods, and were easily moddable or had mod tools.
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>>634332242 (OP)
>ULTRAKILL
>pic related
>
Ultrakill already does a really good job of improving on FPS what should have been done a long time ago but I guess other than that, moving away from the current state of multiplayer FPS games, which is impossible because FPS players are casuals who can't handle challenge.
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>>634333469
I've also played HROT (B), Quake 1 (A), and Halo 1 (C) since I made this.
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>>634333469
Based, I was kinda hoping someone would post lists. t. gay OP
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>>634333469
Add Gunman Chronicles to that list
And Stalker series
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>>634333469
nigga what is this gay ass list ? Wolfenstein the New Order is at the least A
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I'm still playing l4d2 with mods
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>>634332242 (OP)
lets have some more asymmetric shooters like that one wolf team game i used to play
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>>634333469
>Doom 64 is A Tier
Is it's that good compare to Doom 1 and 2?
It's my next to play game list after finishing Bioshock and last Re4R s+ run.
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anything good in the boomer shooter bundle on humble?
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>>634333469
bait list
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>>634334734
I miss that game
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>>634332242 (OP)
I'm almost finished with my 4th playthrough of Blood, 1st time on Well Done with Extra Crispy coming up next. It's difficult to narrow down my favorites, but Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Team Fortress 2 are my all-time most played for good reason. As far as improving the state of the genre, I think it has been slowly improving in recent years. I like all kinds of FPS games, but I consider the 2 most important aspects of an FPS game to be fluid movement/combat and gameplay-focused single-player campaigns. If an FPS has either one of those bases covered, I'm almost guaranteed to enjoy it unless it's subpar in every other facet of game design.
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One day Wrath will come out and on that day I shall me mildly excited. I just hope they don't nerf Outlander difficulty too much as while it needs tweaking I do enjoy the challenge of it as it stands in the last playable release.
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>>634333932
>excuse me wtf r u doin?
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>>634337412
One of these is not like the others.
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How's "forgive me father"?
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>>634333469
>Blood
>C
Shit list.
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>>634333469
>Blood
>C
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>>634337412
BJ was in a prison garb in Wolf3D. That looks more like the Return to Wolfenstien version.
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>>634338818
The one in the pic is a prototype for The New Order for some reason, which was more of an amalgamation of Return, 09, and Wolf 3D Blazkowicz.
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>>634333469
>>634333570
Try Shadow Warrior Classic Redux, it's built on the DukeNukem3D engine. The sword takes a little getting used to at first (and the mouse x/y controls need to be tweaked to get 1:1 movement), but it's fun and has some good 90s humor.
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>>634339274
Ahhh, better than acupuncture.
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>>634333469
The trannykill shill reveals himself as a CS:GO shitter...
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I'm finally done with TF2 and need a need multiplayer FPS to dump hours into. Any suggestions? Maybe Counterstrike 2 will scratch that itch?
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How do I play Gunman Chronicles in 2023?
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I don't play fps games because they are for fags. I play rpg games where I can be a big bad wizard and have sex with elves
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>>634340793
Fucking nerd
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>>634339716
Quake Champions
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>>634332242 (OP)
>What are you playing
Been playing a lot of Doom with the Hideous Destructor mod recently, having a great time with it. Also replayed vanilla Doom 1 in the middle of it and I'm also thinking of replaying Quake soon too.
>What are your favorite FPS games?
Dunno, but I think a couple that I can definitely say are near the top of my list are Half-Life and STALKER
>How would you improve the genre
I think I'm content with how things are right now, I feel like there's a decent amount of stuff coming out that I'm interested in. I think I'll just agree with the sentiment that good modding/mapping tools and server browsers should be more common.
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>>634333469
>Doom in B tier
>Doom Eternal in S tier
zoomer list
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>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
Only the best fps of the last 5 years
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>>634337667
I really do enjoy Wrath and don't really grasp the negative reaction people seem to have to it. The guns are pretty good, the level design both flows really well and kinda channels Unreal's whole "this is a real place" gimmick, and the consumable quicksave system is interesting. The armblade attack giving you b-hop speed is also a nice little thing; I like it more than the typical attack-less dashes.

My only real gripes is that development is taking forever (even if bi-weekly previews help alleviate that), the lack of co-op, and how the copious amount of on-death effects really hurt the ability to just enjoy the armblade (although maybe I just don't know how to avoid proccing them)
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>>634338676
>>634338805
I'm inclined to agree. It's got fantastic atmosphere, but it feels like there's never enough ammo to enjoy the fun guns, and the level design really starts to take a hit in Episode 3. Maybe not C, but probably B or B+ at best.
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>>634337667
what happened to wrath? did the devs abandon it or something and someone's picking up the scraps?
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>>634342813
>what happened to wrath?
They missed every milestone, 3Drealms told them to sort their shit out and now they have a release date (for reals this time honest) later this year.
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>>634332242 (OP)
>TF2
>TF2
Just make multiplayer games fun for fuck sake, I'm so sick of all the sweaty and nickle and dime bullshit, even with the in game store TF2 never made any of that shit necessary.
If OP is asking for single player. I'm playing Metroid Prime as well, and it's a legitimate 10/10, more like this please
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>>634342813
They give looks into what they're working on every two weeks, but it's still pretty gay because they're not actually putting it into the game for everyone yet. Like all the levels for Episode 2 are basically on their final pass IIRC and it's mostly its Hub that's left to get touched up, but you sure as shit aren't gonna be able to play it for a while regardless.
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>>634342504
>negative reaction people seem to have to it
To be fair the last playable release is full of spawns that are basically instant death traps if you don't know they are coming. Weapon balance is totally fucked (the fang spitter's secondary got its stun nerfed into the floor and it does the same damage as primary but fires slower making it worthless for example). All the sort of things that balance tuning will catch.
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>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
Destiny 2, sometimes Modern Warfare 2 if friends are willing to play
>What are your favorite FPS games?
Team Fortress 2, Half-Life 2, Battlefield 1
>How would you improve the genre?
SBMM has been the worst shit for multiplayer, get rid of that and focus on connection. I don't want to play with copies of myself all the time, I want people way better so I can learn and improve and people worse so I can have easy fun.
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>>634341497
There's no humor in Postal 4 and the gameplay sucks.
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>>634345039
Just like Postal 2
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does titanfall2 still need northstar client to play?
how populated are the official servers?
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>>634345905
You can always find matches within 1 to 4 minutes. But Northstar has an actual server browser (at the cost of handing your Origin token to the actual trannies running it and having to hope they never try to mess with you)
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>everyone says goldeneye aged like shit
>play it now and then
>it's still fantastic
I'm a zoomer so don't call me a nostalgiafag. 
Somehow I think the slightly fucked up controls make this game more enjoyable
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>>634346423
The game is phenomenal with actually good controls. I tried playing my N64 copy recently and wanted to blow my brains out and ended up emulating and using mouselook instead
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>>634332242 (OP)
been playing french meat (BLOOD).
well-done filtered me, but its pretty good on lightly broiled.
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>>634333469
>Ultrakill already does a really good job of improving on FPS what should have been done a long time ago but I guess other than that, moving away from the current state of multiplayer FPS games, which is impossible because FPS players are casuals who can't handle challenge.
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>Titanfall 2, free 2042, a bit of red dead 2- I feel very "between games"
>titanfall 2, ultrakill, and D:E are my all time favorites but I like more traditionally paced shooters like Halo and Gunslinger, too
>Force the industry to ditch controller stick aim and explicitly design games around movement and tricky manual aiming. I appreciate slower paced games like Hunt and CS, but it feels like there's still a big void of movement shooter experimentation. 
Also: start making MMOFPSes again. Planetside 2 barely feels like it counts- something more like planetside 1, as mechanically strange and ambitious as it was. That is an utterly untapped sort of game. Make sure to design it around winning the game too so if doesn't have the issue of people playing to grind kills
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>>634347226
>TF2C

Based
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>>634347542
Can't imagine a genre any worse than an MMOFPS. Large scale PVP is and always will be fucking garbage.
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>>634347351
he's right.
cod-like FPS deeply hurt the genre and moving away from that would be based.
>>634347645
i honestly just like it for having a good fov, vanilla tf2 feels way too low and work arounds are either bothersome (having to go to specific servers), or are practically broken (like setting my res to 1920x800 just stretches tf2)
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>>634338452
It's good enough if you're looking for a dose of lovecraft-style horror. Guns are fun, combat is decently challenging on higher difficulties and the dialogue is serviceable. It's basically just there.
If you've ever played project warlock then the upgrade system will feel familiar - you cannuograde your guns in 1 of 2 ways and both upgrades make a given gun feel pretty different.
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>>634342504
last time I ever gave early access a chance. it ran like shit, like not even 100 fps at times, despite being a LITERAL 90s game on a technical level. also there might have been something wrong with the mouse input? it's been years since then so I don't remember the details but basically it was a broken piece of shit. remember they advertised it as running at 666 fps so the stage was firmly set for "it runs the way it looks". to get not just questionable but outright BAD performance was a shock, and it wasn't even the only problem.

I don't care if they're improving it and I don't care if they have a proper release date now (lol), what they did was a complete bait and switch and I don't forgive those. you don't market your old school FPS with old school performance and then release a total turd into "early access" or otherwise. literal dummy projects somebody throws together in Unity in a couple weeks have better FPS mechanics than that demo of Wrath I played back then and they can actually run at 666 fps too, not nuDoom performance for literal 90s graphics.
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>>634332242 (OP)
>Playing
Angels Fall First with the lads. Boarding capital ships is fun
>Favourite
BF2142, Halo 3, CoD: IW, Titanfall 2, UT 2004, Planetside 1
>How would you improve
Make BF2242 with titan mode being a seemless ground to space mode with Titans being Capital Ships alongside pilotable frigates and giant mechs. Basically Angels Fall First is 3/4 of my dream game.
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is soldier of fortune actually good beyond the gore system?
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>>634333469
>bioshock 1
>b-tier
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>>634339716
>Maybe Counterstrike 2 will scratch that itch?
you can play CSGO for free right now. CS2 is the same thing with nice graphics (read: worse performance). I highly doubt it will scratch the same itch as TF2, the movement is extremely crippled on purpose, it's literally RNG whether you get to bhop and getting shot makes you even slower than you already are so you don't get to bow out of fights unless you were holding the tightest angle possible and pull out your knife.

I play QC like that other guy and CSGO like you're considering to. CSGO is practically the anti-thesis to fast movement shooters. it's the slowest shooter out there bar none. completely different feel yet oddly satisfying in its own way. there is some hope that the subtle changes in CS2, most importantly the nades blowing up smokes, will allow for a little more aggression, something I look forward to. but it'll never be a fast action game, that ship sailed when they nerfed bhop out of CSS in the mid-2000s.
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>>634338452
good game.
nothing amazing or revolutionary, but i liked the push-forward combat and art direction.
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>>634347698
nah man, they're cool. People like Battlefield for being a big chaotic sandbox that produces "moments" and MMOFPSes have the potential to be that on crack, especially if you include some of the mechanical bloat PS1 had like bases needing fuel truck deliveries. It's all about having or being able to produce cool emergent gameplay moments with asymmetrical fighting.

Shit the only reason I gave 2042 a try (though it was free) was because I was craving some of that. Had a moment where I was capping a point alone on a roof with three elevators leading up to it and a ton of dudes just kept taking them up and I had to rush between them and cut them off. Was neat
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>>634348690
>there might have been something wrong with the mouse input
there was, and it seemed to be a darkplaces bug.
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>>634349121
if you don't like him putting bioshock in b tier you will hate me cause i find bioshock just boring.
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>>634349668
i'd put the shooting lower. i love the world but played through it again about a month ago, it feels so bad. probably in d-tier or lower. dont know how that anon put halo 3 that low either
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I just dropped four bucks on homefront 2 for the Timesplitters 2 port but even with redux installed it runs and plays like total anus
I can't believe I spent money on this shit for something I can boot up in an emulator and run flawlessly in two minutes
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>>634349895
>on homefront 2 for the Timesplitters 2 port
i'm confused
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>>634350629
there is a port of timesplitters 2 in homefront playable at an arcade machine. there is not a way to extract from the game iirc
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>>634350629
homefront 2 in one mission has an hd version of a few timesplitters 2 levels hidden on an arcade cabinet squirreled away as an easter egg

it was discovered later that the entire game is playable and there's a cheatcode that lets you play it all
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>>634350768
>>634350917
that's frustrating. timesplitters feels like it belongs on pc.
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>>634332242 (OP)
I've been playing BF2042 and I don't know how I feel about it. It's fun to shoot stuff but most of the time matches are a stomp or a steady flow of nothing exciting. I've had a handful of games in my 50~ hours that have been genuinely exciting but they're so rare. There are some very chaotic modes like 128 player rush that are fun to play but they're in a stupid rotation system.
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>>634349895
That's a shame, I considered buying Homefront 2 just for the timesplitters PC port, as I heard it has working online play if you hack in the whole game.
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>>634349895
https://github.com/HFTSRedux/TS2Redux
like this?
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What are the best new boomer shooters? I've been sleeping on this trend completely. My first game ever was Duke 3D and I feel kinda shitty about not diving in. I played Ion Fury a bit and wasn't terribly into it; not sure if that's my problem or the game's. I still go back and play Quake II and Half-Life at least once or twice a year, so it's not like I dislike the genre, though to be fair they feel quite a bit more contemporary than a lot of the other games out at the time.
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I don't like games where I cannot properly aim down the gun's sights and I struggle to understand why Counter Strike's gunplay is so beloved
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>>634346423
Wish the Goldeneye X mod would make some progress.
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>>634333469
>Postal 2 in D tier
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
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>>634333469
Tribes Ascend belongs in S tier if you're talking about its heyday
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>>634353085
DUSK is am immediate highlight.
cultic, chop goblins, REKKR (both a mod and a game technically), amid evil and forgive me father are also good. 
(ULTRAKILL is debatable, but also amazing)
mods are also something you need to check out.
megawads like valiant and going down
quake mods like AD and alkaline.
and deathwish for BLOOD
all are amazing a arguably much better designed and executed than most boomershooters (and im an unbiased zoom)
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>>634354253
Somehow I have most of these in my library. I'll start with Dusk because that's one I consistently hear about. Thanks anon.
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>>634354597
no problem, glad to help
>>634353269
you grew up with only console FPS so cannot process a PC fps.
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>>634353269
turn down ur sensitivity
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>>634352594
That's what I'm using, the frame pacing is abysmal, it becomes vomit-inducingly choppy at random intervals, and the performance shifts every time I launch it, sometimes the gun sounds don't work, sometimes the game is choppy, sometimes it's only choppy in interiors, absolutely unplayable.
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>>634355016
True, but I still don't like the idea of only hip-firing guns. Aiming just feels right.
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I'm probably the only person who thought they would like Dusk and didn't. I made it to about the stage in picrel and the game felt like something I'd kill 5 minutes with on itch.io.

I'm wondering if I'm still hella early in the game and just gave up too soon or what. A lot of the maps felt open and barren , enemies felt very stiff, and I don't remember a level that stuck with me design wise.
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DESYNC was really fun, though it's rare to see anons talking about it. Kinda like indie bulletstorm. Actually creative weapons and all the skill kills are fun as fuck to unlock. Highly recommend if you want more than mindless clicking or you liked ultrakill (ultrakill was inspired by DESYNC)
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>>634333469
Chex Quest is actually pretty mediocre. It was kind of cool at the time due to the fact that it was a game that came in a cereal box but ultimately it's just too damn easy. Almost every enemy is limited to melee attacks so there's no real challenge. It's almost impossible to die in the game really unless you're actively trying to.
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Hunt Showdown is currently my favorite FPS
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>>634355656
The level design absolutely gets better and more interesting as it goes, and that's a fairly early level, yes. People like the early ones due to how freely you can utilize the movement, though.
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>>634355630
ADS cannot be shoehorned in without careful consideration, shoehorning it into every game is how we have the modern AAA, which makes almost nothing good, just watered down console slop when it comes to FPS.
also shouldering a gun is totally realistic.
>>634355790
i loved chex quest 1-3, yes it was easy as fuck and hard to die, but it was still fun and filled with SOUL.
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>>634356015
Hunt might be the best western FPS ever made despite the horror themes. The weapons are so chunky and the slow firerates/tense permadeath gameplay really lends to fights being a clusterfuck where everyone is freaking out and missing shots until suddenly someone gets blown away.
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>>634332242 (OP)
I tried that apex game yesterday it was fucking garbage
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Finished Incision

It's ugly, vomitive, disgusting, and it was really good. I hope the dev keeps updating it.

Playing Turbo Overkill now. It's really good too. A nice surprise for me, different than the previous but good.

Tried Ultrakill, it's very memey. It's ok, not that impressive as people keep pushing it.

Tried DUSK recently. It's shitty. Being "retro" doesn't mean ugly as sin. Weapons have no feedback and N64 games had more polygons.

PRODEUS is top notch. Just finished it but the community maps will get the best of me for a long time.

Sometimes I jump into Arcane Dimensions and keep pushing through the maps. It's a lot of content.
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>>634355656
DUSK is shitty
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>>634356015
I wish they made a single player campaign for HUNT showdown. The atmosphere of that game is really good. There's a game that comes close to replicating it called Blood West. I liked it.
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>>634355656
The levels get much better but the gameplay stays stagnant from start to finish, I'm not a huge fan of it.
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>>634335385
Yeah
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>>634332242 (OP)
>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
Borderlands 3 and Overwatch, DRG
>What are your favorite FPS games?
Goldeneye 007, Halo Reach(swat), TF2, Fry Cr 3, Killing Floor 2, DRG
>How would you improve the genre?
FPS is the go-to viewpoint if developers want to be lazy about modeling player actions. I don't wanna hear about "muh immersion", when I can't see my feet, chest, nor arms outside of inspecting a weapon. Also just get rid of the term hip-fire, in most games the guns are taking up way too much of my view to be anywhere near my hip. It's called point shooting.
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>>634332242 (OP)
Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic and Counter-strike 1.5
Every thing else is literal trash.
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>>634349106
The level design isn't as tight as the likes of quake but combat, especially the reactivity from enemies is really satisfying and is enough to carry the game, it has a lot of great set pieces as well. 

If you enjoy SOF I would also recommend SiN.

SOF2 does more interesting things from a design perspective but has a stronger realism focus and the stealth missions are all ass.

SOF2 multiplayer was fantastic as well.
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>>634333120
>had map editors/compilers, had powerful scripting languages mappers and gameplay scripters could use for custom maps and mods, and were easily moddable or had mod tools.
They will never allow it ever again because you could make a mod that is better than the original game and make a better game than theirs and ending up becoming their competition: see DotA AllStarS on WC3 and the custom maps on Half-life, Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat, Return to Castle Wolfeinstein that became more played/famous than the game in which it originated.
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Only played CSGO. Hope I get into the CS2 beta when it expands.
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>>634359429
>MY HECKIN SKINNERINOS
Fun fact: you could make your own skins on counter-strike up to 1.6 and just put it on the game folder, they put a price tag on it and idiots buy lootcrates to get them, lmao.
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>>634359720
Why did you respond to me while making up a whole different post to respond to?
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>>634359720
>up to 1.6
retard
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>>634332242 (OP)
>>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
modern warfare ii 2022, only hardpoint, will play warzone when plunder is added
this is the only shit my friends play, i hate games with reduced strafe speed so this wouldn't be my choice
>>What are your favorite FPS games?
quake 3 team arena, return to castle wolfenstein (not et, never et), bf1942 (dcx), bf2142, planetside 1, neocron
>>How would you improve the genre?
REDUCE VISUAL NOISE, BY A LOT, HOLY SHIT
i'd also like increased movement speed with nothing that ever reduces it, but whatever
the main thing we need is that standing still needs to be heavily penalized and moving needs to be encouraged, if everyone can just sit around and wait for targets to walk into their crosshairs then it's not much of a game
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>>634359308
I remember when Market Garden came out for RTCW and it immediately became one of the most popular maps in the game, so much so that the creators of the map, Splash Damage, were asked by Activision and id Software themselves to make even more for the GOTY edition.
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>>634360846
>asked by Activision and id Software themselves to make even more 
those maps sucked
splash damage is notorious for how bad their maps flow, i can't believe people had faith in brink
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cracking open a cold one and playing serious sam
what a life
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I understand the significance of Wolf 3D and all, but doom is the better game. How you can play that shit now? it sucks. BJ only good one game in his respective series being RTCW. There's a doom mod called Blade of Agony that resembles what a good retro Wolfenstein may have looked like if it was done at the time of where ID software made Doom. Machine Games stuff all sucked and i disagree with the people who said they were good, it was Total Biscuit that really shilled those games because he had awful taste. Political controversy aside, i didn't like them.
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>>634333469
lmaoooooo
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>>634348890
I didn't think there was anyone actually playing Angels Fall First
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>>634332242 (OP)
>What FPS games are you playing at the moment?
None, actually. Last one I played was Metro Exodus and that was a month ago.
>What are your favorite FPS games?
Crysis 1, Quake 1, Far Cry 2
>How would you improve the genre
Shift focus from graphics to sound design, physics, animations, AI and enemy variety.
Always design the gameplay with M&KB controls in mind and later figure out how to dumb it down for the console version.
Focus on optimisation and high framerates.
Prioritize map design over story. By map design I mean gameplay (layout, enemy spawns, pickups etc.) and art direction/environment design(make the map look pretty, basically).
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>>634359869
You probably triggered a bot by accident.
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>>634361639
doom didn't exist when wolf3d came out
why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp
you may as well compare wolf3d to FEAR or Half-Life 2 you dumb fucking retard
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>>634362868
>why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp
It's very easy grasp, hence i alluded to the significance of Wolf 3D. Maybe try reading next time. But there's no reason to play it now because it sucks and doom was what ID Software's shooters were supposed to be. That's why i don't get why people hold BJ with any significance in the FPS genre, he was merely a milestone for doom guy.
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>>634363729
wolf 3d has good fps fundamentals and was popular enough at the time to have its own modding scene despite the source code being incredibly difficult to mod from
you can thank wolf 3d for doom having modding from the get-go
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Unreal Tournament 2004
Quake 3
By making them PC exclusive