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--- 14901844
What causes this? Why are the Welsh so dead set on speaking their native tongue while other Celtic regions mostly speak English? It seems like it would be the other way around seeing as they've been under English occupation longer.
--- 14901849
welshmen are based. anyway look at that percentage, that's all hicks
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>>14901844 (OP)
ironically its the welsh's early capitulation to the english that created the conditions for their language to be preserved the way it has been. both scotland and ireland historically were much more rebellious than wales, which was fully conquered by the middle of the 12th century, and england as a result sent way more of their settlers to their lands to both create a base of english support there and to quell their rebelliousness. wales was generally left alone for much of its history, unlike scotland or ireland which were host to numerous wars with the english over the years. that combined with the fact that during the dal riata and anglo saxon period the brythonic speaking celts in scotland and england were driven into wales, thus making it a very densely populated welsh speaking area made it fertile ground for the preservation of their ancient tounge.
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>>14901844 (OP)
Based Welshmen
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>>14901844 (OP)
They speak it in Patagonia... they even celebrate Eisteddfodd or however it's spelled. Mostly in small towns tho.
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>>14902268
its always a riot when a Patagonian visits wales and speaks their own version of the language. its different but still intelligible, like a patois
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>>14901844 (OP)
tounge and the welsh identity because unlike scots and irish they didnt chimp out every 25/50 years with indipendence ambitions. So It became a minority language spontaneously as more and more Welsh willingly switched to english for social elevation
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>>14902276
That's fascinating. About a decade ago, Chubut Province made Welsh an official language and there's a push to preserve it. I hope they keep their language.
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>>14902305
well argentina is in good hands because other than hebrew welsh is the example for a successful language revival. welsh has increased as a language in terms of numbers year on year for decades. in terms of percentage of the population not as much, but wales gets a lot of english pensioners and migrants which dilutes their numbers and explains that specific statistic. still, its promising stuff
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Welsh are Germanic, not Celtic. Especially southern Wales/Welsh Lallands is Anglo
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>>14901844 (OP)
Based Welsh
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>>14902362
Why'd you use the Scots word for lowlands?
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>>14902696
Because his cuck country is forced to revive a dead language (Scottish Gaelic) in attempts to grasp at identity, as opposed to just accepting Scots as the new Scottish norm.
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I hate when languages get extinct
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>>14902337
Interesting stuff... appreciate the info. Cheers.
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>>14901844 (OP)
Welsh is the only one of these languages which will survive and thats because people speak it for reasons which aren't just simple spite of the English
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>>14902848
dont mention it fren
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https://youtu.be/h_sTCoUQ534 [Embed]
Thank SpongeBob. Srsly, the Welsh have done a good job of preserving trad culture while integrating modern media.
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>>14901844 (OP)
Welsh were conquered fairly early and the Englsh gave them a hell of a lot more respect than they did to the Irish or Scots. The king who conquered the Welsh named his son to be "Prince of Wales" as a sign of respect. Also as the Welsh didn't constantly rebel like the Irish, they felt no need to constantly create laws to curb Welsh culture and langauge.
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>>14903511
The Welsh were never conquered, they were just ignored until their Royal Line unified the two nations and the Welsh never attempted a separation after the unification.
Wales was notoriously independent into the high middle ages with the Marcher Lords in a constant vigil against the Welsh tribes.

Wales is a small country, very tiny, but there are more castles in Wales than in any other country, the reason being the Norman/Anglo-Normans could not go more than 2 miles without being stomped on by Welsh tribals wielding stone tipped spears and clubs.
The Welsh BVLLs were too strong to fully subdue and so the castles became necessary as the Welsh were never skilled at siegefare.
The Romans famously said in their dealings with the Silurae they were the only barbarians who defeat a Legion head on and also the only barbarians who would become demoralized by a chest high wall.
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English is a native language of Scotland
If it isn't then the majority of England don't speak their native language either as they're all also using a descendent of the West Saxon dialect and not Northumbrian/Mercian etc 
Ireland is basically just one city, Dublin... and that city has been English speaking for 800 years
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>>14903587
>The Welsh were never conquered, they were just ignored until their Royal Line unified the two nations and the Welsh never attempted a separation after the unification.
Holy cope. Edward I conquered the entirety of Wales. Including Gwynedd. After Llywelyn ap Gruffudd died there was no hope for the Welsh to resist. 
Yes even with all the attacks on the Normans, the Welsh still lost in the end. There is a reason why the English CONQUEST of Wales is dubbed as a CONQUEST.
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>>14902830
He isn't from Scotland little autist
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>>14903587
celtlarper back at it again
please stop pretending you belong to an ancient people that never existed. stop saving pictures of rugby players to your computer
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>>14903604
Language isn’t ethnicity. 
The Scottish are Celtic.
They speak English so they can insult the Mongrel dogs in the only intelligible the average Germanic understands, otherwise they’d have to get their hounds to translate humanspeak into base Germanic.
>>14903609
Nope. He established the marcher lords before being cucked to death by Celts.
The Marcher lords existed because the English could not subdue the Welsh. 
If the Welsh were subdued, they wouldn’t require a perpetual garrison of tens of thousands of men and hundreds of Castles.
Wales was more heavily guarded than England itself kek. 
>conquest
It’s called a conquest because there is no other term for 1000 year military occupation.
But the Welshman = unconquerable.
Wales only ended the occupation with the Tudors, a Welsh dynasty that lorded over England and set the stage for the English Civil War. 
A Welsh Celt has been on the throne of England more recently than any Anglo Saxon.
>>14903648
Whoever it was living along the Atlantic coast who didn’t speak Germanic, does not cluster with Germanics, and whom Germanic men referred to as “foreigner” and “master”, that is who I am, the great spirit of the West who will push the Germanimals back into Asia.
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>>14903717
""""celts""" are genetically germanic
You are a pathetic homosexual LARPer
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>19%
>dead set
I should add the 2021 census has the numbers down to 538,000 speaks (17.8% IIRC)
if you're asking why it relatively speaking is in better condition compared to Gaelic I would say it's because Wales from the 1500s on was remarkably free of unrest, especially on the scale that the Scots and Irish would have towards the English crown. In contrast to Scotland where episcopacy proved so controversial or the Irish loyalty to Rome, Anglicanism was the majority religion from its propagation into the mid 18th century, and by the time the nonconformist movement exploded in Wales in the mid 18th to 19th century it coincided with an increased willingness to tolerate nonconformism/catholicism. 
Similarly there's no events spurring emigration a la the Great Famine/the Acts of Settlement and Plantations, the Highland Clearances, the retributions post Jacobite Risings etc.
Mass education and the prestige of English were devastating to Welsh just as they were to the others, but compared to the others it had a stronger foundation that has meant a slower decline. nonetheless for all the modern state support I expect it to slowly decline into irrelevancy beyond the diehards.
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>>14903742
Not guy but what am I? Ancestry is all Welsh but have basically black hair, very dark eyes, dark defined eyebrows/dark long eyelashes, small nose, etc. Get told a lot I could pass for Spanish or Italian. I'm what, a representative of some neolithic farmer phenotype?