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Post British and Irish out tales here. Latest outing, favourite piece of gear and most valuable lessons learned. 

Bonus prompt: what instruments or songs do you play/sing while on the trail?
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Gorms were nice
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comfy Welsh hills are comfy.
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you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
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>>2542171
Comfy camping in the woods
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Favourite bit of gear has got to be my fixed blade. Fjallkniven A1, absolute beast of a tool. Comes with me on all my bushcraft oriented trips, had it for years now and it's never let me down
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thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y64uWjtSKAo [Embed]
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>>2542179
Also the bothy ned basher
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not been out since January. too busy being a wagie.
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Going back tomorrow
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This feb has been so warm this year, I missed the snow
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Outdoors sucks dick in britain other than some really niche areas.
I moved to Japan and now do so much shit outside.
If i ever moved back home i’d have little to no motivation to do anything like that again.
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>>2542367
>If i ever moved back home i’d have little to no motivation to do anything like that again.
That's because you're a loser.
That's why you had to move to Japan to try find a girl hahaha.
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>>2542459
Yeah this anon is right you're just a loser
Also stop saying the UK when you mean England, you sound like an American
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Any Norfolk/East Anglia Anons out there? Walked to St. Benets Abbey Ruins on the Norfolk Broads recently and started the Peddars Way a while back. Also found a copy of pic related. Thinking of doing a few walks from it soon as the weather seems to be finally picking up.
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>>2542187
You camped at a fucking car park... Tarmac 2m behind you.
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>>2542656
not 2m but ye it was close to the road.
my first time camping overnight and wasnt sure my sleeping bag was warm enough.
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>>2542459

I moved there to ski silly, and am already married
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>>2542195
Lovely
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Cape wrath
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>>2542633
Are you the Sebald anon I was chatting with a few months back? How's it going? I made an effort post replying to you a while back but some namefag slid the thread.
https://archived.moe/out/thread/2453422/#q2484958
Looks like an interesting book, a friend of my Dad's is big into ley lines, apparently they're all over the place in Norfolk. Not sure how much I believe but my dad was thoroughly convinced by this chap. I haven't been walking much recently as the weather is still a bit grim but I'm looking into the wherrymans way as a weekend jaunt when I'm back.
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>>2542159 (OP)
Tea in the peaks before Christmas, doing a three day hike in Snowdonia next weekend super excited about it first proper /out/ing of the year.

>favourite piece of gear
Does a website count? maps.the-hug.net is really fucking good for planning hikes in the UK
>OS map layer 
>Custom map layer based on open street maps with more topo data plus extras
>Create, edit and load GPX files
>Shows route data like elevation changes distance profile etc
>100% free
If not then I love my Swiss M84 water bottle + mug (pictured)
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>>2543414
>Does a website count? maps.the-hug.net is really fucking good for planning hikes in the UK
cheers for this.
would be nice if it had a feature for printing maps to scale like OSmaps does.
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>>2542367
PewDiePie is that you?
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Narrowboat anon here, nice to see the threads revived! After a bunch of cold snaps and getting frozen in more than once, we're back out cruising again! Can't remember where I took this pic but I've just turned onto the Oxford canal, where after rugby it should get a lot more rural and /out/. Upgraded the boat with 3x210Ah batteries and a new 400W solar panel (for a total of 710W now), so in the summer I should be sorted power-wise.
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>>2543697
Oh I got a cat at some point, and he's been enjoying wandering when I'm moored up in less busy areas
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>>2543701
Have you named him? Comfy pics btw
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>>2543835
Cheers, yeah he's called Scraps and he's either a complete cunt or the chillest dude.
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>>2543882
Would love to see some more pictures, especially of your boats interior, to see how it is to live on one.
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>>2543697
Not up to speed on who you are? do you travel around uk on a canoe or something? id love to see pictures of your setup
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>>2543244
Good spot. Been a few time to photograph airyplanes
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>>2543127
looks like Loch Insh?
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Fuck the Jewish train prices I want to go/out/ but they want £30 one way to get me inna Cairngorms
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>>2544532
Bus is a lot cheaper.
Citylink/Megabus etc
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>>2544341
I live on a narrowboat and continuously cruise around the canal system. Here's what it looks like on the outside. You can stay anywhere that's not otherwise signposted for up to two weeks, there's free water and stuff along the way and you get to see amazing parts of our industrial heritage and the countryside from a lesser-seen perspective
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>>2544339 #
We got a sofa recently which has greatly improved quality of life. Next big thing is to redo the bathroom (fully working shower heated by cooling the diesel engine, and from a diesel central heating system too), macerator toilet that puts the poo into a big tank...
At the stern there's an almost double bed, and the galley has a gas hob and oven.
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>>2544718
>£45 Glasgow to Inverness
cheaper getting the train, very least you can just buy a ticket to the next stop
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You know what they call the sun in Scotland? A myth.
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>>2543882
looking cosy anon
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>>2544803
Fuck off we're full
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>>2543697
Nice boat. How’d you find her and what’s her name? 

Also, how far can you travel on canals? Is it just the Home Counties or…?
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>>2544840
We don't leave the south but there are plans to explore the network more
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>>2544793
where are you getting that?
just looked, megabus return is £38 and train return is £62.
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>>2544859
citylink return, train has a 26-30 railcard so cheaper. Both are expensive
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>>2544866
true. glasgow to inverness is an odd route though.
you're going west to east.
edinburgh to inverness megabus is only £17 return if you book a couple of weeks in advance.
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>>2544840
I think we found her on Apollo Duck. She's called 'why wait?', she used to be called Carla but we renamed her.
Bought her in Slough and moved north to the Midlands. Now we've just turned onto the Oxford and are gonna potter about there for a while. Attached image is a good representation of the navigable inland waterways.
>>2544858
Are you also a filthy ditch rat? Canal anons unite! That pic doesn't really show the areas that are actually navigable btw... Maybe by kayak but certainly not boat
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>>2544886
part time canal gypsy
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F
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>>2545217
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother
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>>2544879
that involves going to edinburgh, adding 10 quid to the journey. prices are screwed
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>>2544827
Fuck off then, nonce. Scotland isn't full.
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>>2545217
how the fuck can someone be missing for a week in what is probably the most high footfall area of the highlands?
buried under an avalanche?
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>>2545308
>Oh isnt it noice heya its loik ow it was round ah way when oi was a kid befoh they built ouwl the ouses.
...
>Thehs loads of spayce, neeyds a few fings built heya for peepow to dew innit
...
>It's just not vuh sayme any moh!
Many such cases.
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Bit of a chilly cruise today, but we saw rabbits and even a little fawn sat among the trees right next to the canal, very close and very cute
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>>2545992
You done the MK - Rugby section? Very nice on foot
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>>2546182
I did last summer, yeah. Absolutely gorgeous area This is from towards the northern part of that stretch of the grand Union which actually turns off just before rugby, at Norton junction. If you carry on towards rugby it's actually on a little section of the Oxford canal, until braunston where the Oxford carries on North to rugby (which we're actually right outside now), and the grand Union starts again to the south. Sorry lol probably too much detail, I'll talk anyone's ear off about the canal
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>>2546216
Nice. If its not too personal, how much would it cost monthly and upfront to get setup on one of those. Are you a neet or remote working?
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Has anyone tried doing Scotland by kayak without a car?
I can get a lift up easily, but not regularly. Would it be a stupid idea to buy one, park it somewhere off the track and paying the estate a couple hundred to store for a year, beats £900 on a packraft.
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>>2546695
dont tell the landowner, tie to some trees away from the beach
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>>2542159 (OP)
>Brit/out/
>Brit
>/out/
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>>2546695
if you want to start kayaking your best bet would be to work towards getting a car/driving license.
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>>2542515
england, wales and NI are all the same: only scotland stands out
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>>2543314

Sebald anon reporting in. How's it going? The weather has certainly been shite of late. 

Yeah loads of leylines Norfolk it seems, not much info about them around in general though. I'm not sure I believe in them but they're an interesting a fun way to observe the land whilst walking I suppose. 

For what it's worth, I'd recommend the book, cheap enough online and the hand-drawn routes are pleasant. Puddingstone Walk from Heacham looks interesting, as does one from Trowse to the site of an old hill fort in Tasburgh.
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>>2546986
I should do.must be possible to leave something up there though?
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>>2546414
If you can buy outright, you're talking about £50k upwards (what we paid) for a boat that's good enough but still plenty of bits to perfect. If you continuously cruise you must move a mile or so every 2 weeks along the system and that's currently cheaper (about a grand a year) than having a mooring on the canal or at a marina (probably triple that) but that will change drastically soon. Then there's gas for the cooker, wood and coal in winter, diesel for running the motor for electricity and moving (ours also does the heating)... I'd say ballpark for a lot of people is probably around a grand or so a month max? It's so very hard to say unfortunately. One thing though; don't read those fucking tabloid stories about boating being an easy way to live for cheap. It's work and it's only a bit cheaper if you're wanting a similar quality of life. That being said, I love it and wouldn't change it for the world. Me and my wife both work remotely
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>>2544718
Yeah I end up on buses all the time but it's annoying finding one that stops in a nice convenient place to start hiking, benefit of trains is all the small ass stops where as coaches are mostly direct city to city
Looks like I'll get my camping fill anyway I'm gonna go wales for family shit and then sneak off for a few days
£230 train from wales to Scotland btw lmao
That'll have to be buses but none of them connect conveniently so I'll end up staying somewhere on the way either in a fucking premiere inn or a bush
Joke ass public transportation
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>>2546216
Used to live in rugby and fuck me it's a shithole but those canals? Do love them
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>>2547221
megabus is cheap in advance, learn where the checkies swap and you can get away without a full ticket up here
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>>2547233
I've done cardiff to Glasgow by pretending to be asleep lmao 
I miss peak covid when they just stopped checking and had to hire a bunch of private security companies to check tickets at station and you could just wait until the last minute and then walk past
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>>2547090
There are companies which rent out kayaks, they even deliver them/pick them up where you need.
But yes I'm sure you could make arrangements with a landowner though I doubt they'd be able to garuntee it won't get nicked.
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>>2547453
Yea I'll just drive up at night
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>>2547027
Hills? Norfolk? Surely some mistake?
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Did Blencathra in the Lake District. Weather was pretty pleasant but Sharp Edge wasn't safe to scramble, turned back halfway up it and so did everyone else we met. Took the other path from Scales Tarn to the summit, then scrambled down Hall's Fell, nothing too technical but a few places were slightly sketchy. Lovely day out.
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>>2547222
Yeah not a massive fan desu, and it's a bit of a trek from the canal to town. Looking forward to getting back out into the country between braunston and rugby
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Nice to see and hear three red kites above me today
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>>2547622

Lol, fair point. 

There are a few here and there and Norwich itself is hilly in places. Not as flat as The Fens though, you can watch your dog run away for two weeks there...
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>>2543882
Nice mate, you got the exact same stove as I had when I lived in a cabin in Wales. This pic brought a smile to my face remembering my cat sitting in front of it just like that. Enjoy anon.
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>>2549198
Cheers mate yeah it's not a bad stove. We've got a backboiler fitted, which is a thing that pumps the central heating through it when the water gets hot enough so we can heat the rest of the boat just from burning wood
I hear councils want to stop people burning stuff in towns and that but they can pry my woodstove from my very warm and comfy hands.
Here's a pic from near Braunston, where we noticed the new lambs of spring were already racing around having fun. So fucking cute, lads
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>>2549307
Meant to ask you this last thread - do you get any sort of rats or insects on the boat, I imagine mosquitos being annoying in summer.
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I'm from Australia but I can get a visa in the UK because my Grandfather was English. I recently have had a bit of a thing for British nature. Would any of you guys suggest I temporarily stay in Britain and explore the outdoors there? I would also be very interested in urbex there but I would have no idea where to start in terms of getting in with the community over there.
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>>2549495
Mostly just spiders, and that's only really a problem in summer/autumn. Thankfully since we got the cat he seems to take care of most of them! Not heard of people getting rodents on their boats. Yeah mosquitos can be annoying in summer, but I'm gonna build some insect nets into the windows - the glass from the windows comes out entirely, so in the summer we can just have the insect screen to protect us. It's actually harder to keep the boat cool in the summer than it is to keep it warm in the winter.
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>>2549511
>temporarily stay in Britain
What are /out/ you into?
>urbex 
28dayslater forum, I can give you some recommendations if you're down Kent way
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Do you go /out/? Looking for more local /out/ friends? Join our comfy group today! 
https://discord.gg/a6zSTbNJFh
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scottish borders
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>>2549854
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>>2549865
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>>2549867
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>>2549865

10/10 nature in bongistan
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>>2549874
10/10 nature in USA
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>>2549833
I really like the highlands and the English countryside, especially how it resembles fantasy stuff. I've also always have had a thing for fog. In outdoor terms I would be into anything from day hikes and drives to wildcamping. The UK urbex community seems way more open than Australias, Australian urbex is gatekept heavily (although there's weirdly a massive boomer community who urbex)
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>>2549933
Kinda the same here with a massive boomer community but there are a couple of gaps here and there. There’s some really good stuff here, but unfortunately the big problem is the rate of demolition. Also security seems to be improving in most places, but not too the level where you’re actually get arrested and charged. Just harder to get in.
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snowing today, melted a bit and then started again in full force. Hoping it continues into tomorrow
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>>2549933
When are you thinking of coming?
Autumn (October onwards) would be the best for the highlands - few tourists, no midges but very boggy.
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Some snow down south
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>>2550282
Maybe next year or so, I heard cost of living is a bit shit over there at the moment so I want to save a bit before I come over. With the ancestry visa I can stay upwards of 5 years (I can get it renewed as well) so I'll probably go for a year or two, I've never been out of Australia so I'll probably stay for a while. If I do move I'll try to get a job in agriculture, it's what I have the most experience in.
>>2550074
I checked out some UK forums, it was just crazy to me how often locations were posted. Even the boomers here don't post any locations. Security here are on a massive power trip 24/7 (although I assume almost every security guard around the world is some what as well) and getting caught in an expedition is pretty much guaranteed to end up with police.
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It was a bloody cold day today. Somehow convinced the missus to walk to the post office/village shop with me to see if my sim card had been delivered but no joy. however, there was a decent pub nearby where we necked a few. After a few hours the snow started to settle and despite the wind cutting into us, the walk back was pleasant
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>>2550314
>I checked out some UK forums, it was just crazy to me how often locations were posted. Even the boomers here don't post any locations. Security here are on a massive power trip 24/7 (although I assume almost every security guard around the world is some what as well) and getting caught in an expedition is pretty much guaranteed to end up with police.
here in the UK trespassing is a civil offence, not a criminal one. so thats maybe the reason for the difference in attitudes. 
i'm guessing it's a criminal offence in aus?
--- 2550602
How viable is travelling England by bike? Was going to get a car but the fee is insane, cheapest ive found is like 50 USD per day. Found a few bikes for sale cheap and was thinking of using that. Travelling very light and staying indoors so not carrying much more then a few changes of clothes, my kindle and my pipe stuff.
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>>2550177
Fucking love it me lad, beautiful round here when it does, the only time it is beautiful desu. Had s good day testing snow toys and I little peeved varusteleka didn't have my size left in Italian surplus snow boots in stock for the full snow camouflage look(ok not gloves but finding white or snow camo gloves is harder than finding hens teeth).

Here to deeper snow tomorrow *hold up glass of whiskey as toast*

Is man kung crossbow anon in? How was your trip to the land of haggis? Get any deer? Saw a brace today, they darted quick as I was bollocking the dog for being a dick but if I was stalking sans mutt my plate would be full for the next few weeks.
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>>2550314
Could be hard getting a job in agriculture, definitely look beforehand. Cost of living is unlikely to go down in the next few years.
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>>2550602
You could do it easily. https://explore.osmaps.com/?overlays=&style=Standard has the official bike routes and there's a lot more on openstreetmap.org. A and B roads will be too busy mostly. You can take it on most trains but for some you have to book.
>>2550838
Arrived yesterday, testing it next week hopefully
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>>2551068
Enjoy lad, looking at some Bear/EK compounds meself and stacks more bolts, remember soft dense backstop like rags in a bag are cheapest option, print off or paint your own scoring target on the bag. Enormous fun
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>>2545362
Probably fell somewhere remote and out of sight. Why else would both have died together? Unless it was an avalanche. 

Could have been werewolfs too though.
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>>2548774
>The Fens though, you can watch your dog run away for two weeks there...
No you can't. Pikeys will steal it in front of your eyes if it's even out of arm's reach. You can watch the pikey van peel out and drive away for about two weeks though, then some fog rolls in and you can't even see your feet anymore.
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The sun had a bit of the warmth of Spring in it today at least.
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>>2550602
if you are making a lot of trips by train it may be better to just rent a car as trains are ridiculously expensive
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alright chaps?
planning on doing 10 days or so in the scottish islands in the summer. what are some must-see islands and locations?
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>>2551788
with 10 days i'm pretty sure you can just see all of them (if we are talking about the outer hebrides).
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Pretty lucky that we've had heavy snow where I live.

I was up to my knees in it today, shame I couldn't come up here yesterday. I actually tried hiking up somewhere else but the snow drifts were chest deep and I couldn't get past them.

Today I came up these hills instead, but a lot of the snow had melted, though still some thigh-deep drifts. It must have been mad yesterday if I could have got up here.
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>>2551788
corr might go there this weekend
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Going to Skye next week, any tips lads?
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>>2551820
>if we are talking about the outer hebrides
definitely gonna go there but i'd like to visit some of the inner hebrides / small isles too
>>2552050
reckon it only looks like that for 3 days a year and that's with camera saturation
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Anyone here channel islander? I am considering taking a job in Jersey, St Helier to be exact. Aside from the retarded rent prices, I am also slightly hesitant to do so because it will make going /out/ much less convenient. I would definitely get a kayak and perhaps take up sailing, but how easy is it to do, and what else is there really to do in jersey and the channel islands?
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unnaground
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>>2551185
>Step 1: Find some prick looking through binoculars
>Step 2: Shoot him in the spine.
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>>2544726
That a Springer hull, anon? Nice.
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>>2552799
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>>2552721
Nah it's an old black prince hire boat (2004). You can usually identify black princes by the big rubber fender on the bow rather than the training rope fenders. Also the sticky out bit with the fender on the stern, no idea what it's called
>>2552799
Ask your friends:*
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>>2543244
>Cape wrath
Nice I hiked the CWT last May, was good fun. Thinking about the Cambrian Way this may/april.
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>>2544827
I knew a scottish lass once and she was never fucking full. Like a black hole for chips and cock.
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How /out/ is it?
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>>2554908
I mean, you need to fucking sail there so it's fairly /out/.
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>>2554909
Well, is it all farmland or wilderness?
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>>2554915
A brief check indicates that it's mostly something you could Google yourself you lazy fuck.
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>>2554917
I'm asking to see if its gated off when others went, I want to hear experience not generic google results.
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>>2554908
you could go further /out/ but its fairly out. Tourist presence (and how hellish it is) varies by time of year
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Morning lads. Loch Awe
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>>2546926
Didn't they recently ban camping on private land without consent?
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>>2554915
sat images will tell you a lot. it's worth getting used to using them as it's a great way to plan /out/ings.
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>>2542167
Agreed, got dragged half way across the country to work in Cardiff this weekend but I managed to sneak off early yesterday and walk up the sugar loaf just before sunset.
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>>2555034
>camping on private land without consent
Also known as Trespassing....

I think Scotland retains its right of way laws. Any green space is fair game. Fucking hilarious seeing a bunch of ramblers cruising about a golf course ruining all the toffs days
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Missus wanted to go 'hiking' so we did Helm Crag here in Cumbria today while the weather was good. I took a tiny day pack that she wanted loaded with shit (handbag, three water bottles, phone power bank) all for a 2 hour hike at most. I took some poles (don't use them myself) because I thought she could do with them. Complained the way up, made her have the bag and she wore it for ten minutes before complaining how heavy it was. Explained to her that it was full of shit she wanted to take and she realised she might want to pack lighter next time. She really enjoyed it apparently, says she wants to do more /out/ in future. Found the poles more useful than I ever have, particularly on the descent.
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>>2543882
Fucking hell this is the dream. I know a playwright who lives the same narrow boat life and literally just drives around chilling, going to theatres where his plays are showing.
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>>2555205
Imagine the smell
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Evening lads. Wew I feel a long way out.
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>>2555221
Do you live out there? Heard the housing market is absolute hell.
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>>2555244
Nah just yomping about for a week. Got a little hut. But yeah, only actually spoken properly to one Scotsman, everyone is either Southern or foreign other than in Fort William Morrison's lel. Loads of "lodges" and stuff for rich people around Loch Lomond and Glencoe on the way.
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Blair atholl to glen feshie perhaps? Gonna do the first bit I think, then see how the river crossings are looking. It says Itll be raining anyway but fuck it I'll have a look I gotta go outside nigs
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>>2543882
That looks comfy as fuck anon. What are you reading?
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>>2545992
>>2546216
How are waterways administered in England? Been wanting to build a coracle and float down some stretches of the Thames. Would this upset anybody?
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>>2555558
the Canal and River Trust (CRT) are in charge of the majority of inland waterways and you need a license to use them. Some (including the Thames iirc) are managed by the Environment Agency. This includes things like canoes/kayaks and SUPs but desu I don't think the majority know/care and it's not really enforced. It's mostly enforced for narrowbats, widebeams and cruisers (for which we get a license and display a number on our boat). For a little coracle, you're probably entirely fine and if some jobsworth tries to do anything, well... they can't really do anything. Give it a go imo
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Off to Bakewell for the weekend this Friday. Any recommendations that won't be shit and full of tourists and/or old cunts? Preferably in or around the Thornbridge Brewery taproom? Ta.
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>>2549854
Such a shame to see grouse shooting fags still setting our moorlands ablaze, saw the Scottish parliament was looking at laws restricting this practice though
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>>2555913
Poach them if you want to stop it
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>>2554908
I'd imagine it's fairly boring in terms of scenery. Just boggy hills and plains. Definitely out of the way tho
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southern Ireland
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>>2556004
Nothing better than a swampy wood on a rainy day
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>>2556006
Something comfortable about blue light, used to wish I lived further south where the lighting is brighter and happier like you see in california or something
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>>2555913
come on, muirburns fine. Means less bracken in my boots
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>>2556004
>southern Ireland
we like to call it the republic
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>>2552206
Get into spearfishing.
Jersey is one of the best spots in the UK for that.
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>>2555913
Moor fires are pretty kino though.
Also, I don't think the issue is as black and white as most people think. Grouse moors actually support a lot of wildlife, especially birds of prey (even with gamekeepers persecuting then).
Unmanaged moors are not healthy. The RSPB have taken over a few former grouse moors and left them unmanaged and it's been terrible for the wildlife. 
The other issue is that if you remove grouse shooting you remove the value from the land, and it will inevitably end up being sold to the forestry commission or a private forestry firm who will cover it in a confier plantation (this happened with many former grouse moors). Grouse moors might not be perfect but they are far far better for biodiversity than forestry plantations are.
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Fuck I'm glad I wasn't born on an island that's been stripped of wilderness. The pre-roman history is pretty cool though.
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>>2556081
based but if you cycle up near cape wrath, there's shit to see. on cloud-cover days, you can hear the bombs they're "testing" and their afterburners.
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>>2555913
Only problem with grouse fags is the pay
Cunts try pay me £7 an hour to march up and down the hills and I get the privilege of bunking with a bunch of teenagers who won't shut the fuck up at night 
It sounded cool in theory but when I actually went there did a few days and worked out the pay I was like nah no wonder it's just teenagers and Slavic people willing to do it
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Been stuck at a stoppage for a few days (during the winter they close some sections for maintenance of locks, towpaths, etc) but it cleared this afternoon. Back moving, feels good. 10 locks later and I've earned my fucking pint
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>>2556151
Every estate is different. I've worked at a few which are like summer camps for neds, but I worked 5 seasons at one that was less profit-driven, more concerned with providing the LARPING experience to the toffs; for that reason they tried not to hire real arseholes as beaters. Genuinely happiest memories of my life getting pissed with those guys in the bothy and arsing about the moors all August.
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>>2556068
I live in the south of the Republic. Ireland is just Ireland to me, no shade towards the unionists but they live on an island called Ireland regardless of politics.
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>>2555913
Aye cunts. Moors and heath are great for a lof of stuff. Would be better if managed for habitats rather than the needs of one species. Burns occur when reptiles are emerging. Lots of BBQ adders. Cunts the lot of them
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Skye is just different gravy. Wow.

Some American girl took some pictures of me in the distance and then offered to WhatsApp them to me, so I gave her my number.
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Thoughts on Hadrian's Wall?
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>>2556159
I tried it at hunthill if you've ever heard of it. honestly I think I'd have liked it if I stuck around but I'm pretty allergic to sharing my living space with people And I rolled the fuck outa my ankle day 1 thanks to lower cut boots, and sick pay is unheard of so I had to make the choice and go work onna building site instead. Have to pay the rent somehow, I think beating is better suited to people who don't rent. Pay would have been somewhat justifiable if I didn't have any expenses but alas. The hills were fucking big ones, lovely estate. I'd run up and down them for free but when they had us going 9 hours on 60 something quid a day with no chance of me getting proper sleep thanks to a wanker eating Pringles at 3am..
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>>2556218
Thoughts on these balls?
>>2556214
shit larp
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>>2556334
Isn't though is it
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>>2556280
I've done a few days at Hunthill to earn extra on the weekends, it was shite. Beautiful estate, but shite work culture. Invermark was the estate I was speaking highly of. I think it's gone to shit too since I was there.
Yeah there's no way I could see anyone covering living expenses off a beater's wage. It was good for me as I was homeless between stints at uni, so I didn't need to earn I only had to eat.
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>>2556354
I should have done it before I committed to getting a flat baka. I might still try some beating one year but not at fuckin hunthill 
I just want my comfy park ranger job back but fuck me for not having 20 years of experience and all the loicenses for every bit of equipment imaginable. This/out/ job shit ain't working
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>>2556214
>Some American girl took some pictures of me in the distance and then offered to WhatsApp them to me, so I gave her my number.
how does this feel
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Hello brit anons. I wanna come to your island to build some outdoor skills. Can I do the west highland way in winter (wildcamping) if I'm very fit or am I gonna die? I have winter gear.
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>>2556542
Thing about Scotland is river crossings, entirely depends on the weather. it's worth a try anyway but if it's a windy rainy one shit could potentially get serious quite fast unless you really know your shit. The wind might rip your tent down and dump rain all over your sleeping gear, if you have kit that you know stands up to these kind of conditions I say yolo it. But if your previous winter experience wasn't inna windy wet mountains I'd be careful
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>>2556542
Where are you coming from.
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>>2556550
I have no experience camping or hiking. I will do as much research/reading as possible but there's only so much you can learn that way. I know summer camping first is the smart way to go about this but I really can't be arsed. I'm just interested in winter outdoor stuff. Kit is definitely not the problem, it's all legit winter gear, if I get in trouble it will be my own fault

>>2556575
France

Typing this I realise I sound like a retard but I just really wanna get out there. Worst case I just cut the trip short and go to the nearest town and ask around for a hotel. I doubt I'll die unless I drop my whole pack in a lake or something
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>>2556595
>France
>Typing this I realise I sound like a retard but I just really wanna get out there. Worst case I just cut the trip short and go to the nearest town and ask around for a hotel. I doubt I'll die unless I drop my whole pack in a lake or something
Just needed to you know aren't dutch. You won't die, just take waterproof everything, socks included, and pack a warm sleeping bag and wool layers.
Don't listen to what anyone on reddit says, the weather is not "sub-arctic" and you don't need anything more than a phone
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>>2556722
are dutch people not welcome in scotland?
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>>2556189
solid response, I was just pulling your chain!
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>>2556744
clog up the roads, whites only anyway
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>>2542159 (OP)
>Brit/out/
>Brit
>/out/
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>>2542159 (OP)
Wondering if you lads can give me a few tips. I've not been camping in years but soon I'll get the full kit for solo 2-3 night camps this summer.

I just need a location (I'm in Yorkshire), with nice forest/woodland and solitude. Some fishing would also be nice. Where should I go? Kielder?
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>>2557377
Dalby forest
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>>2557377
Seconding this. 
I'm not in Yorkshire but it's the closest "out" me. 
I've bought a tarp and plan on going motorbike camping.
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>>2556838
The most embarrassing thing about Brits on /out/ is that they always have catastrophic threads where they whine about the lack of nature in the UK, and then contemplate moving or killing themselves. Those threads outnumber the successful Brit threads ten to one, and it makes threads like this look silly and nonsensical.
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>>2557643
It's just because channers are city dwelling introverts and there isn't a Horizon Zero Dawn world in walking distance of their terraced 2up 2down.
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>>2557643
we have nature but the noses cut it all down and i shoot it all
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summer starts now
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>>2558242
Walked over that viaduct, was cool af
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>>2555318
At least they are kept under lock and quay.
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>>2558377
Very nice.
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>>2557643
this doesn't happen
>>2557377
kielder is big and empty but kinda artificial and plantation-y
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is there any fungus in the UK or shit like that where just inhaling near it will fuck me up? recently been going in the woods more and been coming across dead rotting animals and worried I might inhale some shit that kills me or makes me sick or some shit
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>>2559589
Nah. Not really. Certain funguses can cause respiratory issues but only when inhaled over a long period. Talking about molds in damp buildings for example.
Out and about in the woods I don't there is anything to worry about.

What sort of dead animals were you seeing? It's almost certainly not caused by fungus.
It's not unusual to see dead animals towards the end of winter. Especially deer.
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>>2547006
I dunno bro, all we have is bigger fields with more sheep, it’s all owned land and you’re unlikely to get away with having a fire.
Saying that I’ve found my few niche places and I’m comfy with them
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>>2557377
If you want real big woodland, you have 3 options:
>picrel
A: Those plantation woods on the southern part of the moors. Pretty shit plantation, but it is pretty empty and on the edge of the moors so you have access to the amazing coastline
B: Grisedale. On the southern part of the lakeland, can get quite busy and is somewhat dispersed by small farmlands and also some buildings. Most of it is actualy ancient woodland though and it is far better quality than the other 2. Best to get there before summer peak season, but should be OK if you stay off the beaten path.
C: kielder. very huge, very empty. Just plantation. Nice views of the lake, though. Lots of wildlife including wild goats, marten, polecats, red squirrel and some other rare animals such as birds of prey. This is the largest and most isolated spot, but the forest is mostly sitka plantation.
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>>2557643
>The most embarrassing thing about Brits on /out/ is that they always have catastrophic threads where they whine about the lack of nature in the UK, and then contemplate moving or killing themselves.

It's the same one poster who makes those threads always. The UK is actually one of the best countries in europe for /out/, just because of scotland.
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>>2560535
>>2560539
You seek knowledgable, do you know any fungi that can cause harm being burned and inhaled?
Have had a proper whooping cough for a week now after having a fire with logs that had coral spot, I didn’t notice because it was dark until I was chucking in the last log and the fire was illuminating it enough to see the redness.
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>>2560547
All I know is that some fungi can cause infections if burnt and inhaled. If you're suffering just call your gp. They will get it checked out and then you can stop worrying. No use speculating as you don't know which fungus you actually inhaled.
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haven't had a good /out/ing in a couple of years now. anyone have any good suggestions close to the central belt in Scotland?
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Met the legend that is Callum at the car park in Glen Torridon.

He didn't want any carrot, apparently his thing is chocolate Hobnobs
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>>2560535
foxes and deer but each one it's like they're just dying with no marks or trauma which is why it seemed weird, cheers for the response fella
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what app/platform/website do you guys use to find stuff to do around you? feel like I got fuck all around me. went to Petworth House last year and that was nice. was thinking of going to a living museum next
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>>2543414
Just realised I was standing where you are in this photo in October...
>>2561161
Grindr
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>>2561164
>Grindr
doesn't surprise me. every brit I've seen and talked to is either a massive faggot or reeks of closet homo
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>>2560707
They shouldn't feed it human food for its own good, absolutely misguided. Derp let's give it a human name and feed it biscuits like a dog
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Anyone got plans for the easter bank holiday?
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>>2561229
Yeah
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>>2561229
ohh husbant
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>>2561022
I wouldnt worry about it
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>>2561229
Quick little run from London to Newhaven.
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>>2560539
i wish we still had proper forests lads...
it saddens me greatly that i'll never see what our island looked like before we fucked it up
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I've been doing some indoor bouldering for a while now, what are some good locations for doing the actual thing (without getting myself killed)
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>>2558242
Looks lovely anon, where abouts is that?
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>>2561504
the fuck is that?
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>>2561440
Care to elaborate?
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>>2560539
>>2557377
Ive camped in location B, by Windemere. Great experience marred only slightly by the newbie wanting to stream netflix.

>>2561510
You and me both mate. Sometimes when im walking and find a patch where the trees seem unbroken I imagine what it would be like to see them stretch away. I do the same on the hills, when I cant see the towns in the valleys. Just imagine a wild landscape stretching off.
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>>2561575
Vanguard way apparently
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>>2561229
Working on my allotment. Putting in a raised bed and getting thr soil ready for asparagus. Hoping to get a new rucksack (probably one of the savotta ones) before then too, but I'm not in any rush.
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did a ~6 mile circular route saturday afternoon. undulating route that dropped into 3 valleys very pleasant but second stage out of bretherdale up to shap fell was very boggy and nearly got turned around trying to find the bridle path. path down from shap was an old roman road and there were some cool abandoned farm houses at bretherdale. ended up being more interesting than expected.
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>>2561662
Lad it's almost 2am. Go to sleep.
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>>2561663
could say same to you pal
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>>2542159 (OP)
in relation to op question as to lessons learned.
i have learned that in an area of mass tourism and old farm buildings being converted into luxury housing, seeing homes that have been left to nature, holding generations of memories, is much preferable to expensive bougie renovations.
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I've not got much time left on my free bus pass, where abouts in Scotland do i go this summer?
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>>2562477
I heard glasgows nice
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Thoughts? They're like halfway between a trail walker and a boot

Like £55, seems cheap
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>>2560539
Thanks, this is exactly what I was after
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Anyone ever seen tay tay in lake district? I think she lived there for some time
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>>2561698
>live there for 10 years and by law it's my property

If I camp there for 3650 nights, I can claim it as my own. How would one go about this? Would they eventually come and drag me off the thing, saying that I was "trespassing on a historic/natural area" and then I'd lose my squatter's rights?

Make a dug-out shelter in the vicinity of it, hidden underground?
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>>2561547
Glenfinnan
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>>2543414
Fellow millshit user?
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>>2542159 (OP)
>Post British out tales here
I'm not british I'm american. But I walked the Thames path starting at the ocean and all the way to the source. It was amazing. Britain has some very good trail systems, you are allowed to walk across private property (if it's on the trail). The Thames path is not like the Appalachian trail it is very flat, but so beautiful. And so many chances to stop every few days at a classic pub and have a pint after a long day walking. Slept in tents the entire time, usually in a random person's field. We were always gone by morning and left no trash, the few people who did question us were always surprised and welcoming. Impressed that Americans would do this, very unusual I guess. This was all around the time that Chelsea was in the champions league semis with Barcelona in '11 or '12, I remember getting into a small town exhausted and tired but just in time to catch the game and a few pints with the locals. Good times. Chelsea went on to win that year.

I've also done some of the trails around cornwall, very impressive scenery but the Thames Path, the people I met along the way, the whole experience was incredible for me. I love england and real english culture I hate to see it dying and being overrun.
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>>2564783
I also larped a lot as a roman legionary who was stationed in britain. Seems random but I was reading a book at the time about Romans in Britain and there were a few days that were pretty long, 15-20 mile days in the rain and I larped as a legionary marching in the rain it was pretty kino and I remember that time fondly.
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>>2563997
i'm from the area, she visited once when she was dating harry styles. this was about 8 years ago. was a big fuss at the time but hadn't heard anything about permanent residency though she did write a song about the area.

>>2564015
from what i saw the area is still on the land of a farm further down the valley. although no one lives there a farmer on a quadbike arrived in the area when we were there and some of the buildings appeared to still be in use for hay storage. so you may have issues with the farmers if you tried to squat. beyond that im not sure, i don't think they're listed historical buildings but as i said they lie on owned land that is still farmed and regularly visited.
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I'm thinking of traversing the High Weald.
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>>2542679
>my first time camping overnight
so your first time camping?
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There's a camping spot in some private woodland that my friends have gone to for years, and other random people go there as well. 4 of us went this Friday for 2 nights, left this morning (Sunday), but 2 land owners turned up around 9am before we left this time and 3 of us were still in bed. One of them was pretty pissed and took a video of us, the camp and more importantly the plates on my friends' bikes. My friend who had been awake for a while did the talking, was pretty apologetic and the other guy took it well and calmed the angry one down a bit. Angry one still said he'd call the police if he came back tomorrow and there was rubbish left. Blamed us for mess that wasn't ours and said he's always cleaning up in here, but the last time we came here was August last year and there's still the same rubbish lying around, so we know that's not true. We weren't going to leave our rubbish anyway, but I still litter picked the close area and left it cleaner than when we arrived, so not worried about the police threat.
--- 2565256
I kayaked in Windermere (Cumbria) today. Was freaking awesome.
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>>2565094
southern england would be so comfy without all the people in it
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>>2565781
It really is a beautiful part of the country when you manage to find rural spots.
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>>2566080
They're not hard to find, you just need to explore and not tell anyone
--- 2567650
can anyone recommend a good penknife (3 inch blade, folding, non-locking), something we cucks can legally carry without needing an excuse
and suitable for making wood shavings
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>>2562477
follow the A7 south of gorebridge until you find a spot you like
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>>2555034
>>2555062
right to roam, as long as you're being respectful and leave if asked you can go where you like
england has like 2% public land and no right to roam
also the whole dartmoor case is still subject to appeal and not final but yes the posh gits won
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>>2567650
Whitby make good stuff in the UK. Failing that, get an Opinel and remove the collar or use an SAK. Also, consider the fact that almost all /out/ activities are reasonable grounds for carrying a Mora.
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i've been told you nonces need special footwear to go a walk

whats wrong with white air force 1s?
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>go in to decathlon to buy new boot laces
>end up spending £70 on random shit 
>get home and realise I didn't buy the fucking boot laces

On a side note, the forclaz stuff is amazing value. Bought a cook kit and a headlamp and really impressed by the quality to price ratio.
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>>2568105
Decathlon's fucking legit for high street/cheap gear. Their boots do the business and I really like the MH120 fleeces.
--- 2568121
Hey I am planning on going wild camping for a few weeks in Europe, I know its probably stupid but it needs to be done.

I will have a largish rucksack with me and I will be potsntially in hostels at some points or stopping for dinner or xoffee etc.

What is the most budget friendly way to track my bag (preferably can buy on amazon) so I can find it if lost or stolen
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>>2568121
befriend trustworthy people, get their number(make sure it actually works), take their picture, and leave your bag with them in exchange for a fair price
of course there is always a chance you get swindled but if they are willing to let you photograph them and let you check their number works i'd say you have a better than average chance of keeping your stuff safe

or just get a much smaller bag for all your essentials that you strap to your thigh while the gear bag is in the hostel
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>>2568121
Airtags, 25 a piece, need an iPhone tho
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What do British campers eat? I imagine You can take as much meat as You can eat since there are no bears/wolves/cougars etc.
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>>2568447
Very much so. The principle limiting factors on camping food are local fire/stove restrictions, and rain. Neither of those are very big limitations either as fire byelaws are laxly enforced in most places anyway.
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>>2568486
could probably have full blown barbeques in the wood if not for all the ants
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These are great for UK life. Pulls apart and stashes flat, wighs hardly anything.
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>>2568447
https://www.youtube.com/@KentSurvival/videos
Pretty much eat whatever you want.