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--- 2545333
We seem to have some debate over med kits so let us discuss them. I carry;

>Israeli trauma bandage 
>Snake bite bandage 
>Imodium 
>Promethazine
>5x band aid
>5x alcohol wipes 

I don't see a reason to carry more. What do you carry?
--- 2545337
>>2545333 (OP)
I'd add some Bactine for sterilizing wounds and killing the pain, and some iodine for cleaning them out. And gauze. More fucking gauze than you know what to do with. And at least one dose of QuickClot for leakers. Other than that I think you're good.
--- 2545340
Checked and kek'd, I'm enjoying the first aid gatekeeping in the UL thread. I've got a little boo-boo kit for day hikes and overnighters:
>3x band-aids
>liquid bandage (also flammable)
>antibiotic ointment (mostly just fills space and keeps things from rattling)
>5x alcohol pads
I have a more serious kit if I plan to be way out for multiple days. It does not have chest seals.
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>>2545337
When you say "dose" of QC, do you mean one of their sponges, or a powder form? All I see from the actual company these days is dressings.
--- 2545345
>>2545333 (OP)
You need a tourniquet, burn spray, some type of sting treatment, and butterfly stitches as well. Maybe those disposable scalpels too. Picrel for simple tourniquet.

>>2545340
No idea what UL is but you should have a chest seal with you.
--- 2545351
>>2545333 (OP)
No blister treatment? Get some leukotape and a safety pin. It’s probably the single most common hiking injury. 

Add some gauze and you can make your own bandaids. The adhesive on the leukotape is way, way better than bandaids, and it can be cut to different shapes and sizes (quite easily if you have scissors).
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>>2545345
bait/10
--- 2545357
>>2545353
>getting common items for first aid is bait
I'd rather have them sit in my pack and collect dust than not have them and suddenly need them in a dire situation.
--- 2545358
>>2545333 (OP)
>500x alcohol wipes
I use so many of these fuckers while /out/
--- 2545359
>>2545358
Tbh yeah I'd just buy a whole box of them. They're great for all kinds of stuff.
--- 2545365
>>2545357
>doubles down
--- 2545369
>>2545345
An israeli bandage is a tourniquet
--- 2545381
>>2545369
I think a lot of people overlook how simple a TQ can be. If you're seriously leaking, you don't have time to fret over a sterile TQ with a carbon fiber windlass and hypo-allergenic velcro. You can use all sorts of shit.
--- 2545383
>>2545369
I read that a tourniquet goes above the wound while the Jew bandage goes over it. Either way, no one in this thread has ever had to use one while out. Inb4 “yes I did.” No you didn’t. Take your bullshit LARP back to /k/.
--- 2545391
>>2545381
Even rope can be used as one.

>>2545383
The jew bandage has enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. The reality is that if you're applying a tourniquet then you think you're going to die. There's no need to apply both. You can completely cut off the circulation to the limb using the jew bandage as a tourniquet so there is no need to use it as a bandage.
--- 2545393
>>2545383
>Take your bullshit LARP back to /k/.
I didn't read your entire post and only just saw this. What the fuck are you talking about. Stop schizo ranting in every damn thread you weirdo.
--- 2545394
>>2545333 (OP)
Post more packing lists, bros
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>>2545393
>I can’t be bothered to read four short sentences
Maybe you should so you don’t have to ask
>what are you talking about
--- 2545401
>>2545400
Man half your post was you dropping a pre-emptive argument it's no wonder I mentally filtered it kek. It's weird to see. I have never had to nor claimed that I have had to use a tourniquet however if I do both my snake bite bandage and my israeli bandage can be used as a tourniquet. I'm much more likely to slip over and slash an odd part of my body on a rock, this is where the israeli bandage comes into play but the snake bite bandage can also be used. There's no need to start dropping pre-emptive arguments based on nothing but your own imagination. I'm hoping I never have to apply a tourniquet. There's also no need to carry a dedicated one as both my bandages can do the job.
--- 2545402
>>2545401
So you’ve never had to use one. Great.
>has never seen “inb4”
Also great lol
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>>2545402
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing.
--- 2545405
>>2545365
Yeah nah. Your trolling attempt is lazy. 

>>2545369
My bad, I thought an Israeli bandage was for stuffing wounds.

>>2545381
But a normal tourniquet is also $25 on Amazon. It's easy enough to get one, throw it in the outer pocket of your pack, and forget about it. I wouldn't want to be attempting to tear my shirt or use rope or something if I'm bleeding that badly.
--- 2545406
>>2545405
>My bad, I thought an Israeli bandage was for stuffing wounds.
It is but it has enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.
--- 2545407
>>2545403
Don’t forget your chest seal and your BVM, because you never know, right? (People with experience do know).
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>>2545345
This is bait, right?
It’s pretty good because I can’t tell for sure
--- 2545410
>>2545405
>MUH DIRE SITUATION!
You have to leave the house first.
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>>2545407
Why are you like this?
--- 2545416
>>2545413
Pretty sure it's one guy going to every thread and sperging about his "experience"
--- 2545417
>>2545413
>I’d rather have it and not need it than need it an not have it
This is the motto of a true LARPer. It’s kind of like a condom; you’ll literally never need it.
--- 2545419
>>2545416
Seems like it.

>>2545417
I have never said such things. In Australia it's pretty normal to carry a snake bite and a trauma bandage.
--- 2545434
>>2545419
Is it normal to have to use them?
--- 2545436
>>2545434
I don't know.
--- 2545508
>>2545409
It's definitely bait. Nobody is seriously going to advise something like burn spray, but then also say you need chest seals.
--- 2545517
>>2545369
It assuredly is not Anon. Israeli Dressing is a pressure dressing, it goes on the wound. Tourniquet is a tourniquet, it goes high and tight to restrict blood flow to the wound. It takes like 30s of internet searching to figure this shit out.
--- 2545519
My chainsaw accident kit:
>CAT Gen7
>compressed Gauze
>Quick Clot
>Traumafix Dressing
>space blanket
>shears
>gloves
>tweezers
I also carry Booboo kit with
>alcohol wipes
>bandaids
>painkillers
>diarrhoea meds
--- 2545527
>>2545517
An israeli bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you tear one sleeve off your shirt, that torn sleeve provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you carry any type of rope, that rope provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you carry a snake bite bandage, that snake bite bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. In most cases your shoelace provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.

Why the fuck are you weirdos so obsessed with dedicated tourniquets. All it has to do is cut off circulation.
--- 2545530
>>2545519
Careful, he's going to call this bait.
--- 2545534
>>2545530
Yeah, i forgot that this is /out/ where nothing bad ever happens and your super minimalist UL kit will never be a detriment to you. Helping others is also super overrated, so i will only carry medical gear and tools, that apply to my increadibly narrow use case.
--- 2545535
>>2545527
Because if I need a tourniquet I want to use a tourniquet. Not the sleeve of my shirt or waste my Israeli bandage by tying it ABOVE the wound and then having to find a windlass. If you're able to stop the bleed from a wound by applying direct pressure to it, then you didn't need to use a tourniquet in the first place. If you can provide some valid documentation proving otherwise I'll happily concede the point.
--- 2545546
>>2545333 (OP)
Dry bag 1,25L
Different bandaids
Gauze roll
Wound pad
Medical tape
Basic drugs (painkillers, allergies, stomach)
Mylar blanket
Safety pin
Water purification tablets
SAK Rambler
Zip ties
Duct tape
Micro paracord

Basic, does the job, weighs nothing and is compact
--- 2545547
>>2545535
>you're so injured you're willing to use a tourniquet 
>I don't want to waste my $10 israeli bandage 
>dies 
Kek
--- 2545548
>>2545546
Oh and alcohol wipes, tick remover.
--- 2545549
>>2545534
Post scars
--- 2545551
>>2545535
Here's your documentation. Also while we are at it. Post a photo of the tourniquet that you carry when hiking.
--- 2545554
>>2545546
Based microcordchad
--- 2545558
>>2545551
>n-n-noooo! It doesn't count just because it was successful, everyone has to do it or it's a larp REEEEE
--- 2545559
>>2545558
Bro just take a pic of the gear you're advocating for it isn't difficult.
--- 2545561
>>2545559
Anon, I was making fun of the TQ shill not you.
--- 2545562
>>2545561
Ah
--- 2545563
>>2545549
you are lucky, that i am drunk right now, otherwise i wouldnt drop so low as to reply to a parasite like you.
I am genuinly disturbed by you people, you might not realize it, but you will end up killing someone with your rhetoric.
I fixed this with a leather belt, i wouldnt have been able to do that on myself, loosing blood, without a proper tq, this picture 2as taken on the last day i left home without a cat.
--- 2545567
>>2545563
I'm not sure, if you're advocating, for fancy expensive TQs, or whatever you have to hand, though it certainly seems, as though, you survived, with, only, a, be,lt.
--- 2545569
>>2545530
Is “he” in the room with you right now?
--- 2545572
>>2545569
A he just flew over my house
--- 2545578
>>2545567
I think he is saying that this happened to someone else and he was able to use a belt, but if he had a similar injury while alone he would not have been able to use a belt to stop the bleeding which is why he carries his chainsaw accident kit.
--- 2545580
>>2545578
this
>>2545567
i am advocating for you to get whatever training and gear you can to save your friends or yours life.

It is amazing how fast the human body looses strengh, once you poke a hole in it. You wont be able to rip your sleeve and improvise a TQ, if a major artery has been nicked. Be trained, be prepared, be ready.
--- 2545716
>>2545527
>Why the fuck are you weirdos so obsessed with dedicated tourniquets. All it has to do is cut off circulation.
Because dedicated tqs work better

>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2738052
In a study of 102 laymen who had just completed an ACS Bleeding Control Basic training only 32.4% of participants were able to correctly apply an improvised tourniquet (defined as one that provided sufficient pressure to halt bleeding) even in a non-stressful situation when provided with appropriate materials (i.e. they didn't have to think about taking their belt off or searching for a windlass). In comparison 92.2% of participants correctly applied a CAT tourniquet.
Interestingly people were better off with an improvised tq than using SWAT-T or RATS.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26125163/
Without a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 99% of tests (79 of 80 tests). With a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 32% of tests (p < .0001).

>https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(20)31170-7/fulltext
In a study80 hospital employees (including a mix of healthcare professionals and non-healthcare hospital employees) 32% of subjects were able to stop simulated hemorrhage on the initial improvised tourniquet trial, this number rose to 68% following simulator-based training instructing them on the use of commercial and improvised training. In comparison 94% of subjects using CAT tourniquet were able to successfully stop simulated hemorrhage. 
Read that again, even after dedicated training and practice only 68% of individuals could control bleeding using an improvised tourniquet. This was in ideal situations after being provided with a wide variety of appropriate tourniquet materials, and applying it to a manikin rather than one-handed on their own body.
--- 2545719
>>2545716
So lessons from this
>Carry a commercial tourniquet if you can
>If you're caught without one then make sure your improvised tourniquet is a windlass designed, don't just slap a belt around the limb and try to pull it tight like a retard. 
>Be aware of failure points. If you read the articles I linked some of failures of improvised tourniquets were the result of belts snapping at the belt buckle when people turned the windlass to tighten them or shit like that.
>Ideally a tourniquet should have a cuff at least 1.5'' wide. Thinner tqs such as wire, tubing or bootlaces tend to be much more painful and carry a greater risk of neurological injury.
--- 2545734
>>2545719
Carrying a TQ makes sense if your hunting or logging or something like that, but your just packing your fears if your thru hiking or wilderness backpacking
--- 2545740
>>2545333 (OP)
Short dayhike
>SWAT-T 
SWAT-T is a shitty tourniquet unless you know what you're doing and have had the opportunity to practice on a simulator but it is significantly lighter than anything else, and can also be used to improvise a pressure dressing or a splint
>Tylenol
>Ibuprofen
>Oxycodone
>Bandaids

Overnight hike
Above plus
>Ondansetron
>Imodium
>Jew bandage
>More bandaids
>Leukotape
>Gauze
>Alcohol wipes

Serious /out/
Above plus
>CAT tourniquet
>Loratadine
>Aspirin
>Triple ointment
>50cc syringe
>Quikclot
>Tissue adhesive
>Butterfly sutures
>More gauze
>More tape
>Triangular bandage
>Various dressings
>Compression bandage
>Gloves

Depending on the situation (whether I'm going hunting, how much I care about weight, etc) I may add
>SAM splint
>Trauma shears
>Chest seals

>>2545734
Depends on the area and what you're doing. Not hard to get shot by someone who's mistaken you for a turkey or to slip and slice your arm open with a knife or hatchet. 
They really don't take up much weight and it could save your life.
--- 2545776
>>2545740
>Not hard to get shot by someone who's mistaken you for a turkey
What a sad statement 
>slip and slice your arm open with a knife or hatchet.
I don’t take a hatchet when wilderness backpacking, that’s bushcraft LARP shit, and you shouldn’t be carelessly walking around with it like that in the first place.
What kind of retard doesn’t either carry it with the sheath on, or at least with the blade facing away from them?
Either way, I would put using an axe or hatchet in the same catagory as chainsaw or gun.
If you’re doing something that could mangle or kill you accidentally when using it, then yah carrying a tourniquet makes sense.
--- 2545905
>>2545776
>if you use a hatchet you're larping
Opinion discarded
--- 2545949
>>2545333 (OP)

Once you get the proper training, you'll want to carry a serious med kit. 


CAT tourniquet
Irrigation syringe
Israeli bandage
Trauma shears
SAM Splint
1 Coban wrap
quick clot trauma pack (includes hemostatic gauze)
2 sets of nitrile gloves
2 triangular bandages
2 hyfin chest seals
mask

Meds:
2 diphenhydramine
2 Ibuprofen
2 acetomeniphen
2 aspirin
Roll of antacid
4 imodium
epi pen
2 electolyte drink mixes
2 honey packets

Boo-boo kit:
4 band-aids
4 small band-aids
1 small gauze pad
roll of leukotape around a credit card
small roll of duct tape
--- 2545953
>>2545345
can i tourniquet with a 1.5mm dyneema guyline?
--- 2545955
>>2545949
Based sam splint carrier
--- 2545960
>>2545953

In theory, yes. In practice, it's highly unlikely you will be able to do it correctly and such a thin line will cause excruciating pain to your patient.
--- 2545971
>>2545527
>An israeli bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.
--- 2545976
>>2545333 (OP)
>Israeli trauma bandage
Why americans have to make everything "tactical"?
I just carry a bunch of gauzes, and an elastic bandage.
--- 2546008
>>2545333 (OP)
>>2545401
>>2545519
>>2545716
>>2545719
>>2545740
>>2545949
some of the best comedy i've read all week
lmfao bwahahahahhahahahahahhahahaaaaa
--- 2546014
what do you guys carry your fak things in? i use a 1L ziplock bag but want to switch to something more durable but similar weight.
--- 2546017
>>2546008

Could you post your picture of yourself or any identifying tattoos so that if I'm ever in a position to rescue you I'll know to just go ahead and let you bleed out.
--- 2546018
>>2546014

https://www.cloudgearstore.com/product-page/new-square-zip-pouch
--- 2546019
>>2546014
I used a military tear away IFAK I picked up at a surp store. Cheap, effective, keeps shit organized, 500d so abrasion resistant and generally water repellant.
Weighs a tad more than Ziploc but not by much, and it's offset by the endless seething it generates in weirdly obsessive anti-tactical crowd.
--- 2546029
>>2545905
Lol bushcrafting is larping tho, why you so upset?
--- 2546032
>>2546017
PLEASE
the last thing i want is one of you untrained retards trying to perform bush surgery on me. just let me die if i fall off the ropes. fuck's sake.
--- 2546038
>>2546032
>untrained

I have an active WFR certification, but whatever.
--- 2546042
>>2546018
thanks, seems kinda pricey for small dcf bag though, they are usually 5-10usd, my original kit was like 50g for the bag alone i thought that was unnecessary for an item i wont give a shit if it gets a hole in it
>>2546019
>offset by the endless seething it generates in weirdly obsessive anti-tactical crowd.
kek
--- 2546044
>>2546042

There is an advantage to having a bright red bag with "FIRST AID KIT" written on it. If someone else needs it, they can find it. As opposed to a package that could be anything.
--- 2546060
>>2546019
This. The IFAK shell works great for storing shit, doesn't have to be chest seals and NPAs. The fact that autists go into conniptions over it being "larp" gear is a bonus.
--- 2546144
>>2545333 (OP)
gauze
super glue
compression bandage
lukotape
bottle of peroxide
safety pins
bleedstop
samsplint
gatorade mix
needle and thread
tent patches
ibuprophen
benadril
anti diarrhea medicine
>>2545345
>tourniquet
just wear a belt
>burn spray
>sting treatment
how about not being a pussy
>chest seal
nigger you ain't chest sealing yourself and making it out. if your kit is for other as well yes.
--- 2546150
>>2546144
Lame attempt at trolling.
--- 2546159
>>2546144
Do you put the peroxide in any special bottle, or just the one off the shelf? Those seem a bit bulky to take in a kit.
--- 2546169
>>2545333 (OP)
In addition to all that, I carry a surgical stapler with me in case of a real emergency.
--- 2546173
Pic rel is the kit I carry when hiking and pretty much day to day too
--- 2546175
>>2546173

Well, looks like you've got some good pain killers at least.
--- 2546176
>>2546175
The spoon is from my cook kit
--- 2546178
>>2546176

I like how you cut down the handle, very UL of you.
--- 2546181
>>2545333 (OP)
>I don't see a reason
I read this, and variants of it, so often on /out/ that I too might start to think there are only four actual people who use this board. Bear in mind that just because you don't see a reason doesn't mean it isn't there. You don't see 99.9% of spiders, either, but they're there.
--- 2546183
>>2546173
I hope you have some wild adventures, because that H is guaranteed going to kill you.
--- 2546184
>>2546181
I think there's a decent few people here, but definitely just a handful who keep shitting up threads with contrarianism. There's the boomer who says that everything is nonsense, the "experience" guy, one who says that everything is a larp no matter what, maybe a couple of others. They're all pretty obnoxious.
--- 2546187
>>2546184
>a handful who keep shitting up threads
>the “experience” guy
What?
--- 2546192
>>2546187
There's (I assume) one guy who posts in multiple threads, shitting on other anons with references to his experience, or how his experience "lines up" with everyone else's, so anyone who disagrees with him "doesn't go /out/".
--- 2546220
Why the fuck would I need a tourniquet to walk around in the woods for a couple of days I’m not about to step on a fucking landmine
--- 2546226
>>2546192
Idk about you, but I’m much more willing to listen to someone who can prove they have experience with what they are talking about than some anon with no proof.
--- 2546250
>>2546226
Agreed; you'll never see these assholes proving their experience. They're just here to gatekeep.
--- 2546255
>>2545383
Yea except I have. I'm an arborist and one of the climbers I was working with didnt use his lanyard and swung into his chainsaw blade, he zipped down and I tourniquet'ed his arm and wrapped some gauze/blood clot gauze around it and drove him to the hospital. We weren't even issued actual medical kits on the jobs just basic bitch boo boo kits. I had a personal trauma kit in my bag.
--- 2546256
>>2546032
Important for all readers, first aid actions are almost universally limited to keeping the blood in and the body working long enough for someone with real training and real equipment support to do the real saving. Which is exactly why purpose built items like a good TQ (cat, softtw) are a thing, because several years of GWOT have shown that even crayon eaters can save lives with this one simple trick. Agree with most others here though, the complexity of the kit increases as risk (hatchets, trail difficulty and remoteness, hunting season) increase.

 >>2546220
Your actually more likely to use one on the ride to and from the trail, so a car kit is pretty good kit.
--- 2546262
>>2546014
freezer bags with zip are tougher than regular zip bags, buy at same place
--- 2546274
>>2546255
Is being an arborist in some suburb really /out/?
--- 2546276
>>2546274
>guy shares experience relative to the conversation
>"hurr durr it isn't /out/ because I don't like his job"
Do you have a TQ experience to share?
--- 2546299
>>2546276
Simply being outside of a building does not mean you are /out/, and the guy he was responding to said
>Either way, no one in this thread has ever had to use one while out
Personally, I don’t consider anything done in a suburb to be /out/
--- 2546367
>>2546299
/out/ disagrees. The board considers literally anything done outside to be an outdoor activity. If you step into your backyard to smoke a pipe, these retards think that counts. It’s an obvious diversion from the norm, where “the outdoors” is understood to be outdoor recreation, ie things that can’t generally be done in a city or suburbs.
--- 2546369
>>2546192
>I have a lot of experience
>everyone else is wrong
Do you see how retarded that is?
--- 2546392
>>2546367

Well yeah, except for Golf.
--- 2546408
>>2546369
Anon, that's the point.
--- 2546471
>>2545333 (OP)
My work first aid kit (arborist) 
>israeli bandage x3 (need at least 3 for an impaling wound)
>CAT
>celox
>superglue pipette (bin and replace after using it, it won't last until you need it next)
>tweezers
>sterile scalpel blades (which I've always kept in there + the super glue since the blackthorn buried in my palm which the NHS said they couldn't remove so I'd just have to leave an inch of poisonous needle in my hand until my body broke it down)
>alcohol wipes xyou never have enough
>hand sanitiser
>FFD x2 (basically a highly absorbent gauze bandage impregnated with a coagulant, will soak up a pint of blood)
And my "comfort kit" because I'm not allowed to keep any pharmaceuticals in my first aid kit in this godforsaken country (and yes the government and insurers will go looking if there's an incident)
>antihistamines
>oral painkillers
>topical antibiotic
>burn gel sachets
--- 2546472
>>2545519
>diarrhoea meds
This, I also carry loperamide pills
Out here you never know what tap is mains or groundwater, or what's in it
My whole team once got the shits from a water tank that had a dead pigeon marinating in it
--- 2546473
>>2546014
Cheapo velcro backed IFAK for actual first aid, retard orange dry bag for pharmaceuticals
--- 2546497
>>2546367
Well the people who think that are wrong and have never read the sticky
--- 2546526
>>2546471
>not allowed to keep any pharmaceuticals in my first aid kit
What the fuck? What's their justification for that?
--- 2546533
>>2546526
Cos you might accidentally kill somebody by giving them a painkiller
I am not joking
Occupational first aid kits, whether they are for yourself or your team, cannot contain any pharmaceutical products
So everyone who has a first aid kit needs to carry two, so if there is an incident you can tell HSE you just used the legal first aid kit and the "comfort kit" is your prescription medication even though everyone knows it's basic shit
This is the same country where complimentary plastic cutlery was removed from petrol stations and ready meals etc because they're legally a weapon, so that should tell you all you need to know about the quality of our laws
--- 2546543
I'm an unrepentant optimist who carries a blister kit and ibuprofen, gauze, and tape. This has always worked for me, but I unfortunately watched a person die from a fall. A tourniquet wouldn't have saved her, but after reading this thread I think a CAT will go with me on some outings.
--- 2546544
When the fuck am I ever going to need to use a tourniquet
--- 2546547
>>2546544
You never know bro, you gotta be prepared for ANYTHING!
>hikes one mile innawoods with pic rel to make an a-frame out of sticks
--- 2546557
>>2546544
Do you bowhunt, ice climb, or camp out with an accident prone retarded friend? I do all three.
--- 2546561
>>2546557
I don't even carry a tourniquet when we pig hunt with dogs... how could I require a tourniquet from how hunting even with a catastrophic arrow failure that sends it through my hand no tq needed
--- 2546580
>>2546561
Walking down a steep muddy slope you slip, trip, and fall forward. Your bow flies outta your hand and an arrow lands with the broadhead pointing up at you. The broadhead pierces your femoral artery. Ok, I know it's a long shot but I have tripped, let go of my bow, and an arrow came out of the quiver. I'm not saying you should carry a tourniquet, just saying that I will because 6 razor sharp pointy sticks is enough for me. Also, my fukken idiot brother slipped while climbing up to his stand and landed on his bow.
--- 2546583
>>2546580
>walking with an arrow nocked 
there's your problem
--- 2546601
What the fuck is up with you american larpers and your obsession with tourniquets?
--- 2546602
>>2546583
>an arrow came out of the quiver
>"hurr durr arrow nocked ur fault"
Do you keep crayons in your first aid kit for calories?
--- 2546617
>>2546583
I don't walk with a nocked arrow. The bow landed in a bush and I'm guessing a branch popped the arrow out.
--- 2546620
Recently I read about a hiker who stepped off the trail and found a broadhead tipped arrow with his leg. It was all over the news a couple of months ago. I think there was a thread in archerytalk with a few posters saying they've found arrows in the bushes or whatever. I found one (field trip) in tall grass, so this kind of thing happens.
--- 2546621
Field trip not trip^^
--- 2546623
Tip, motherfucker ^^
--- 2546685
>>2546601
Their opinions are based on YouTube and a just-in-case logical fallacy. 

https://andrewskurka.com/backpacking-first-aid-kit-gear-list-downloadable-checklist/
--- 2546688
>>2546601

You got it wrong. We're obsessed with guns. The tourniquets just come along with it.
--- 2546689
>>2546601
We bleed more easily because our blood isn't clotted up with pfizer juice
--- 2546701
>>2546274
Who says I work in the suburbs? And no, felling and climbing trees all day isn't an /out/ activity apparently lmao.
--- 2546712
>>2546274
Is being a dipshit on /out/ really /out/?
--- 2546718
>>2546701
It’s not.
--- 2546728
>>2546601
I carry a gun when I go /out/, so best to carry one just incase of accident.
--- 2546729
>>2546701
Come on man, everyone knows that you don't actually go /out/ unless you sit at home and shit on people for having things you don't want them to have. /out/ isn't a place; it's a state of mind.
--- 2546762
>>2546729
on Clutch
--- 2546790
>>2546701
You said you’re an arborist, not a logger or forester, so you’re trimming people’s trees, most likely in a suburb.
>>2546729
Is walking on a dirt trail in a city park /out/ to you too?
What if there is even a hill?
Location matters in determining what is or isn’t /out/
>read the fucking sticky
--- 2546799
>>2546790
It's okay, anon. Getting the joke is hard, we know.
--- 2546883
>>2545391
Nope, apply both for safety, TQ first then I bandage 

>>2545381
Use specialised equipment or you can explain why you used jungle creepers to stop your bleeding to Jesus

t. Combat medic
--- 2546911
A small pack of kaolin bandage/ quikclot would probably be more suitable for most people on the trail than quikclot. You can buy it in small packets the size of a gauze pad
--- 2546912
>>2546911
Shit. I meant more suitable than a tourniquet
--- 2546917
>>2546883
So if you don't have a CAT handy you just let the man die? Is that really what they teach you guys now?
--- 2547220
>>2546917
Anon there was a linked article in this thread that showed that improvised TQs were ass. The comment is obviously not saying to not improvise if you must but that there are proven TQs and that if you are considering preparing for major trauma it would be stupid to insist you are prepared to the best ability by just improvising.

>>2546601
Accidents occur all the time. A pack of gauze and a TQ cover a lot. Anything beyond a few minutes from immediate professional and equipped help is potentially a fatal injury that you could help prevent for the low price of knowing some shit and items costing less than a night out.
--- 2547229
>>2547220
>Accidents occur all the time.
They do not. You have never needed a tourniquet and you’ve been out since you’ve spent so much time out that you’re practically a tree.
--- 2547232
I wonder how many people die per year because they sprung a leak in the woods and didn't pack anything to stop it because "you'll never need it". There's got to be statistics somewhere.
--- 2547245
>>2545333 (OP)
>1/2 roll of duct tape
>roll of electrical tape
>roll of gauze
>.25 liter rubbing alchohol
>tourniquet is a short, pre tied piece of cordage

Normally I dont even bring the duct tape. I like my stuff to be multi purpose, and multi use. Most injuries you sustain will either not be physical, or be inconsequential. Yes, a cut that bleeds for five minutes before stopping is inconsequential. tape that shit and move on. If you manage to fuck up bad enough that you need actual bandages, then you better hope you have a buddy. 

Feel free to tell me im retarded, because this is just in my experience/what others have told me.
--- 2547246
>>2547232
>I wonder how many people die per year because they sprung a leak in the woods and didn't pack anything to stop it because "you'll never need it".
Zero.
--- 2547248
>>2547246
Dangerously retarded
--- 2547249
>>2547245
>injuries will not be physical
Uhhh what kind of injuries are you suffering, anon?
--- 2547254
>>2547249
I probably should have worded that better, lmao. I meant the main threats you should have contingencies for are from exposure. Dehydration is a lot more likely than a compound fracture, and if you're one of those herbalist types, you had BETTER have something for poison. 

My main point was that if you find yourself suddenly with a sucking chest wound, odds are you will not be patching yourself up. If you find yourself with a deep cut, just tape it. If you find yourself with a cut artery, you best tie off your limb right the fuck yesterday, because you have seconds before you get woozy. Dont be the kind of guy who pre-ties a tourniquet to every limb, and wears chain mail, but also don't be the guy who brings a wet wipe and some band-aids and says "yeah ill manage".
--- 2547256
>>2547254
This guy gets it.
--- 2547257
>>2547248
I don’t think it’s that common. It probably is close to zero. When it comes to hiking it’s only like 140 people a year. About half are from falling off of mountains while climbing. Then you have drownings, a few animal attacks (including bee stings), natural causes, and exposure.
--- 2547259
>>2547257
I think I saw that the top cause of death (in US parks) is drowning. I'm sure I can find numbers for exsanguination if I dig.
--- 2547261
>>2547259
Yeah, that’s the statistic for National Park visitors. There are statistics specifically for hiking somewhere.
--- 2547262
>>2547257
That's confirmed dead annually. Thousands of people go missing, and are never found annually. The answer is likely in the hundreds.
--- 2547265
>>2547262
Really? That’s interesting. Can you post any kind of proof?
--- 2547266
>>2547265
Thousands, Anon.
Thousands.
--- 2547277
>>2547265
Why, certainly anon. I'm glad you asked!

https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/why-hundreds-of-people-vanish-into-the-american-wilderness/
>30,000 people annually across the country aren't found

But of course, that includes cities, suburbs, and such. We wand more specifically, the woodland.
https://nps.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/b526c87ae21f4a669eb6c9238c2c4bcf
>2017 SAR calls
>423 not found
>187 dead
>1.5k injured
This is all the people who had calls put out. I would wager there are at least double this number who never got a call. Naturally, this will vary by year, but I doubt its a double digit percentile.
--- 2547298
>>2547254
Ditch the cord for CAT and bobs your uncle.
--- 2547328
>>2547298
Cable?
--- 2547382
>>2545381
Go back, nerd
--- 2547500
>>2547382
To... nugget fest?
--- 2548105
>>2545333 (OP)
anyone tried this Snakestaff EDC tourniquet? curious what people's impressions are, I've been wanting one for daily carry but seems like backpackers might also like it for the weight/size
--- 2549623
>>2545410
>muh
you gave to be 18 to post here
--- 2549986
Just received my CAT today. It's so surprisingly lightweight and compact that It'll go with me whenever I larp with a machete, axe, or chainsaw. Even if I lose a leg from restricted circulation I'll live to larp again as a peg legged pirate.
--- 2549992
>>2546883
>t. Combat medic

What do you think of a home brew combat pill pouch. 500mg Acetaminophen, 500mg ibuprofen, 509mg amoxicillin?
--- 2549998
>>2546883
>t. Combat medic
Calm down ranger Rick, the US hasn't seen combat in a decade now.
--- 2550006
UL trannies are once again proving that they are fucking insufferably annoying
--- 2550026
>>2549992
What sort of scenario do you foresee using that in?

Double the dose of Tylenol 
In general unless you're expecting to be multiple days away from competent medical care then you don't need antibiotics.
--- 2550049
>>2550006
/k/ retards carrying like 5 lbs of shit for injuries that you'll never get doing a day hike or backpacking trip are worse.
--- 2550149
>>2549998
Not an american
--- 2550152
>>2550149
Even worse lmao
--- 2550188
>>2550006
>it’s UL fags!
>>2550049
>it’s /k/ fags!

Take a step back and try to look from the outside. Let’s presuppose that both groups have zero real world experience. So where can they draw their opinions from?

The UL faggots can look at people who have done what they’re claiming to do. Thruhikers are a prime example. The Trek takes a survey of AT hikers every year, so there’s actual data. The hikers themselves provide literally thousands of anecdotes from plenty of different trails. UL trannies can also look at individuals with a lot of accomplishments. Andrew Skurka is brought up often. He’s done insane hikes, including thousands of miles of off-trail hiking, as well as leading groups of dumbass rich folks off trail (groups are more prone to injury). 

/k/ faggots don’t have that option, because anyone spending a lot of time outside will have the same opinion as the UL faggots.
--- 2550415
these
--- 2550419
>>2550049
>injuries that you'll never get

There's your fundamental mistaken assumption. My med kit isn't just for me.
--- 2550421
>>2546544
In the event where you resign to losing an entire limb and aren't carrying paracord, duct tape, a bandana, or a garment with sleeves
--- 2550425
>>2550419
This distinction is what a lot of people forget in these threads. If it's a strictly personal med kit you probably aren't going to need much more than this >>2546471
But if you're designated medic for a group and especially if your job is outdoor emergency medicine you'll want stuff like shears, miscellaneous band aids, cravats, and what seems like way too much gauze
--- 2550428
>>2546601
Idk it's some prepper geardo status thing I think
I keep a tq in my car and one on me but I'm a forester, I need a tq if I injure myself with a chainsaw
I've seen yanks boasting about how they take as many as 3 tqs out with them. I don't even know if they're joking
--- 2550448
>>2550026
> What sort of scenario do you foresee using that in?

Sliding down a slope and getting stabbed by a muddy stick. 

It was something that was standard in my blow out kit. Asked the corpsman about it and he said it goes through different iterations as they learn more, but basically the idea was the ibuprofen and acetaminophen taken together eased the pain better than anything else and taking an internal anti-biotic was a fail safe. I know the corpsman carried morphine lollipops but I don’t think I’ll be getting my hands on those.
--- 2550451
>>2548105
don't waste your money on anything not recommended by the CoTCCC

https://books.allogy.com/web/tenant/8/books/f94aad5b-78f3-42be-b3de-8e8d63343866/
--- 2550458
>>2550448
>ibuprofen and acetaminophen taken together eased the pain better than anything else
this is true for things like sprains etc. I destroyed my ankle years ago, level 3 sprain and avulsion fracture, an ER doc friend of mine said the acetaminophen/ibuprofen or naproxen stack is nearly as effective as opiates for that kind of injury. but that's at the 4000mg acetaminophen and 1000mg of naproxen per 24hrs dosage
--- 2550735
>>2546917
You're an absolute faggot and if you work in emergency medicine, I'd go out of my way to get your negligent cowboy ass fired.
--- 2550738
>>2550451
The only thing not CoTCCC recommended that I would still put in a kit is a SWAT. The reason they don't recommend this is because it's hard to apply to your self, but it works well if it's not you strapping yourself up, and it can be used for several other things aside from being a TQ. (and it's cheap, so replacing it isn't painful).
--- 2550739
>>2550735
You have to go back to the druggie thread
--- 2552404
>>2546917
Pretty much what the goobers in this thread are advocating for, yeah. First aid is lost on the average hiker, I guess.
--- 2552420
>>2546159
i have a small clear bottle i wrapped in tape to keep light out.
--- 2552434
I bought a first aid kit off Amazon and threw in a tourniquet. It's got everything for what you could reasonably be expected to handle.
--- 2552435
>>2552434
Post link.
--- 2553284
>>2552434
It's not one of those $300 trauma bags is it?
--- 2553503
>>2549992

Pull the ibuprofen from that stack. Generally not recommended for any time of trauma. Most NSAIDs cause issues with the clotting cascade.
--- 2553505
>>2552420
I'll have to try that, thanks anon
--- 2553884
combined medical / toiletries / sewing kit contains:
>old milsurp mirror
>bandages/gauze/butterflies
>imodium, benadryl, and aspirin
>bandana
>alcohol wipes
>toothbrush, toothpaste, dental floss
>eye drops
>baking soda
>baby powder
>sunscreen
>adhesive tape
>cotton swabs
>hand sanitizer
>finger condoms
>finger splint
>lip balm
>safety pins
>needles and thread
>neosporin
it fits nicely in a little 8x6x4" toiletries bag i had lying around. i keep hand sanitizer with my shitting supplies and usually camp with a nalgene full or whiskey. i could probably stash some water purification tablets "just in case," but i always prefer boiling the water
--- 2553888
Gauze, bandaids, that one amazing aloe skin repair cream put in a tin, and antibacterial wipes.
I don't plan on getting shot or stabbed by a homeless man while in the middle of the Coloradan wilderness. I haven't heard of grizzlies up here either.
--- 2554102
>>2553888
No grizzly. Black bear are pussies. There’s some pigmy rattlers in the hot spots. Warm and damp you’ll find some black widows. Mountain lion like all cats are ninja af, but if you can get a blow to their nose they’ll run away. Not many niggers. Spics know their place. Everyone outside of Denver and Boulder is packing. It’s a stand your ground and castle law state, so watch yourself with the crazy bitches.
--- 2554153
>>2553284
nah its a 100 piece first aid bag, cost like $30 iirc.
--- 2554194
>>2554153
Post link
--- 2554539
>>2545333 (OP)
It's always good practice when you come across unprepared hikers who
need aid
--- 2554795
>>2545333 (OP)

depends on what you're doing and how long. obviously if you're doing something like chopping firewood there is greater risk than during a short 20 mile hike.

day hike
a couple each small medium and large band aids
blister kit with tape and moleskin
super glue
snivel kit, allergy meds, diarrhea meds, laxatives, pain killers acetaminophen, NSAIDs, i had some opioids but im out now
bunch of alcohol wipes

real /out/
larger quantities of everything above add
1x quick clot 1x trauma dressing
gauze
gloves
burn gel
antibiotic gel
tourniquet
--- 2556264
>>2545563
Fucking yikes, anon. Saw accidents are nasty, knew a guy who took a saw to the face when it bucked up and wasn't wearing a face shield. Glad buddy made it out alive. Shit like this is why I wear chaps and have a trauma kit anyway when cutting.
--- 2556270
>>2550188
wouldn't /k/ fags model it off of militaries?
--- 2556273
>>2556264
My cowrker was a logger in Michigan. He was up a tree and forced his saw too hard. It slipped and opened up his inner thigh. You know that artery there? He was half an inch from knicking it. Would have bled out even with a properly done tourniquet with how long they had to drive him to get to help. It's the most dangerous job in America for a reason.
--- 2556281
>>2556270
Yes, they would look at people who have been shot or blown up with bazookas and model their recreational outdoor first aid kits after that. It’s why they’re talking about tourniquets. 

Does that sound like a good idea?
--- 2556890
This is what I carry hiking. The pink pills are bismuth subsalicylate (pepto-bismol) and the blue are ibuprofen. The tape is enough leuko tape for one ankle and 2-3 cut dressings. The circle thing is a silicone cock ring.
--- 2556898
>>2556890
>The circle thing is a silicone cock ring.
Check out this fag wasting grams on a silicone cock ring. Not very ultralight of you. 
The superior choice is to cinch part of the glove around your dick to act as a tourniquet, it's just as effective and significantly lighter.
--- 2556968
>>2545343
dont use powder it'll give you some nasty bloodclots
use the impregnated bandages from quikclot
>captcha SXTTKT
--- 2557069
>>2556968
That's what I'm saying; I didn't think you could buy the powder form anymore. I remember hearing people complain about it "burning", but that was probably some whisper-down-the-line shit.
--- 2557144
>>2557069
>I remember hearing people complain about it "burning", but that was probably some whisper-down-the-line shit.
No, that was a real problem. The original formulation could reach 95C and cause full-thickness burns even when used as recommended. The issue was especially bad when used to pack deep wounds or covered by thick dressings and left to cook over a long evac flight.
Wasn't just the powder either. The sponge form would do the same.

They've changed the formulation now though and I'd assume you can't even buy the old stuff. 

The concerns around strokes/clots is a whole different issue.
--- 2559081
>>2556968
Just use hemostatic gauze. You can get it off Amazon.
--- 2559119
>>2559081
>amazon
Hard pass
--- 2559581
>>2545333 (OP)
I have a personal first aid kit which includes the following:
>variation of band aids
>blister band aids
>wound compress
>nonwoven swabs
>wound cleansing swabs
>a triangular bandage
>an elastic bandage
>a 4-in-1 first aid bandage (suitable for pressure bandage, burn bandage, can be used to splint an arm or as regural wound dressing)
>a space blanket
>nitrile gloves
>medication (ibuprofein, paracetamol, caffein, viper bite medication, >antihistamine eyedrops and antihistamine pills)
>medical tape
>a tick remover tool
>scissors
>a lighter
All of these fit in to an old Red Cross hikers first aid kit shell. I kerp this set in my backpack.
In addition to what I had already listed, in my right hand cargo trouser pocket I also keep:
>a tourniquet
>an israeli bandage
They both are for in case of the unheard happening. Frankly, I don't believe I ever need them, but if I do, they are there. For example if I happen to hit my knee with an axe at the commonly used wilderness cabins or I get shot by a hunter.
--- 2559590
>>2559581
>I kerp this set
I keep this set*
--- 2559597
>>2559081
For the love christ, buy your medical gear from a reputable dealer. Do not trust your life to bezomart.
--- 2559685
>>2559581
>viper bite medication
What're the ingredients in that? Because to my knowledge there's not medication that's particularly useful for snake bites short of antivenom (which need to be refrigerated).
--- 2559730
>>2559685
It contains hydrocortisone, it aims to ease out the bodys reaction as a mean of first aid so that you can get yourself to ER. It also works for wasp and bee stings. Luckily here in Finland the vipers aren't too dangerous though.
--- 2561434
>>2559119
>>2559597
Do you guys actually go outside? Ever?
--- 2561447
>>2561434
>if you don't support shitazon then you don't go outside
It's all so tiresome
--- 2561460
if you need a tourniquet while /out/ you are pretty much dead already.
this is the ideal first aid kit
>bandaids
>alcohol
>cigarettes
>gauze
>tensor bandage
--- 2561463
>>2561460
>no mirror
>no tweezers
>no safety pins
>no tape
NGMI
--- 2561464
>>2561460
Had me going until I saw cigs. Good one.
--- 2561465
>>2561464
im not joking at all. cigs will save you in a life or death situation
--- 2561531
>>2545333 (OP)
I keep the israeli bandage in my left front leg pocket with my phone, figure if i ever need it i wont have time to walk to the equipment bag, usually gather the firewood a couple hundred yards away from my camp. Bad thing happens, put on the bandage, call for help, then figure out what to do next if you should move, make yourself more visible to rescue or just stay where you are applying pressure on top of the bandage.
--- 2561534
>>2561447
Keep trying. You'll get somewhere eventually.
--- 2561552
>>2556968
Either way the nurses and ER technicians will hate you for making them debride the qc. It still gets out of the bandages. 
But pissing off nurses is what I do best. 
IOs 4everything 
EMS 4life
--- 2563673
>>2561552
based retard
--- 2565273
>>2545333 (OP)
Bump. Interested in this.
--- 2565624
>>2563673
>t. Seething male nurse tranny
--- 2565840
What is a good lightweight container for first aid kits?
--- 2566152
>>2545547
made me laugh
atleast he has $10 though
--- 2566157
>>2545740
>Ondansetron
bro where tf you getting OTC Ondansetron? I want some, shits a life saver for hang overs
--- 2566164
>>2566157
he's skimming it from a hospital.
--- 2566310
Honestly how difficult is it to mcgyover a tourniquet from a shirt and a stick? Instead of $60 down the toilet? It's simple pressure, not open heart surgery. Light me up couch doctors.
--- 2566324
>>2566310
It's $35, super lightweight, and even a retard can figure it out without instructions. Ultra fast to put on, even one handed. But if you think it's money down the drain, don't buy one. Don't ride with a helmet either, and don't bother packing rain gear 'cause it never rains. The wind will never tear at your tent, you'll never want water in the desert, and you'll never have an auto accident. Trust me bro.
--- 2566347
>>2566324
>all of these other circumstances are the same as using an improvised TQ
>srsly guise, if you get rained on ul die
kek
--- 2566390
Difficult enough apparently. I'd buy a tourniquet rather than risk being one of the 67.6% of people who fail to improvise a functional tourniquet. 

See >>2545716
>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2738052
>In a study of 102 laymen who had just completed an ACS Bleeding Control Basic training only 32.4% of participants were able to correctly apply an improvised tourniquet (defined as one that provided sufficient pressure to halt bleeding) even in a non-stressful situation when provided with appropriate materials (i.e. they didn't have to think about taking their belt off or searching for a windlass). In comparison 92.2% of participants correctly applied a CAT tourniquet.
>Interestingly people were better off with an improvised tq than using SWAT-T or RATS.
>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26125163/
>Without a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 99% of tests (79 of 80 tests). With a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 32% of tests (p < .0001).
>>https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(20)31170-7/fulltext
>In a study80 hospital employees (including a mix of healthcare professionals and non-healthcare hospital employees) 32% of subjects were able to stop simulated hemorrhage on the initial improvised tourniquet trial, this number rose to 68% following simulator-based training instructing them on the use of commercial and improvised training. In comparison 94% of subjects using CAT tourniquet were able to successfully stop simulated hemorrhage.
>Read that again, even after dedicated training and practice only 68% of individuals could control bleeding using an improvised tourniquet. This was in ideal situations after being provided with a wide variety of appropriate tourniquet materials, and applying it to a manikin rather than one-handed on their own body.
--- 2566418
>>2566390
While the hospital employees study is bullshit because they used a mix (I assume a few cafeteria workers, admin jockeys and custodians got in there), it's still concerning that so few could improv a TQ before they had their hands held. Our medical system really is shit.
--- 2566455
>>2566347
I know I said even a retard could put it on but you'll be the exception.
--- 2566479
>>2566310
improvised tq fails in the overwhelming majority of cases. You don't have time to "macgyover" one when there is a femoral injury. It is better if you don't have a tq to pack the wound with a clean cloth or hemostatic gauze. You should carry a real tq hunting or shooting. Otherwise it is unnecessary because you are unlikely to experience femoral trauma except with a gunshot wound. A space blanket is 10x more likely to save your life than a tq
--- 2566517
>>2545333 (OP)

Thanks for making this thread bro, made me realise my antiseptic had leaked. 

I only have 1 med kit which I take with me everywhere but it does what I need it to

Contains:
>empty plastic bag
>surgical gloves
>shock blanket
>insect bite cream
>cotton buds
>safety pins
>small scissors
>tweezers
>ibuprofen & paracetamol 
>strepsils
>antiseptic
>triangular bandage
>x4 alcohol wipes
>x3 gauze swabs
>x3 roll bandages
>x2 adhesive tape
and as many bandaids as I can fit.

When going camping I typically stick the Micropur and Hydralyte in there too.

Have made use of everything at least once except for the shock blanket, triangular bandage and surgical gloves. 

Also been meaning to get some snake bandages but just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Any recommendations bros? Also what the fuck is an "Israeli bandage"?
--- 2567936
>>2566517
Israeli bandage is a compression wrap with a sewn on dressing and a pressure applicator bar built into the wrap. It is like a snakebite/ace bandage but can be self administered one handed and apply pinpoint pressure to control a venous hemorrhage. You should buy a "T3" style Israeli bandage because it includes a detachable secondary dressing and important wound packing gauze that can even be used stop an arterial hemorrhage (massive hemorrhage) for around the same weight and bulk as the non-t3 (old) style ones.
--- 2567937
>>2545340
Bring medical tape so you can tape an ankle or make a splint. Leuko tape works best and can be used to prevent blisters.
--- 2567972
>>2566517
>Also been meaning to get some snake bandages but just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Australian, I assume? Pretty sure pressure bandages aren't recommended elsewhere in the world.
--- 2568267
>>2545402
This guy is an idiot
--- 2568269
>>2545417
It’s one thing to be a larper and bring a trama kit without having anything bandaids. But bringing something to stop serious bleeding while doing any sort of extreme sport is different. Yeah it might not happen and you have never experienced it but this stuff does happen and when it does you will wish you had something besides your shirt
--- 2568292
>>2549998
The last time I personally saw an actual firefight was 2019 in Syria. I know Green Berets and Rangers who've killed people in the last year. Combat is more sporadic now, yes, but it still manages to happen occasionally. Unless you're a Marine or something, then you're literally not deploying to do fuck-all.
--- 2568293
>>2545949
I carry literally the exact same thing, were you a medic?
--- 2568355
>>2567972
Yeup. Honestly not too worried about snakes, my typical camping buddies are herpers, but it's good to always be prepared

>>2567936
Cheers mate
--- 2568357
>>2568269
Do you bring a satellite phone along with the tourniquet? Because if you have to use it on a limb but you're 50km+ away from any busy roads or phone reception, aren't you pretty much fucked anyway?
--- 2568558
>>2545333 (OP)
Anyone grow their own medicine? Found a how to guide in this book my mom ordered me for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone’s tried it out before 

https://www.digistore24.com/redir/379127/approved123/
--- 2568674
Day Hiking Kit (Sunrise to Sunset)
>Gauze
>Dressing
>Dressing Tape
>4x Tweezers
>Tick Key
>Hydrogen Peroxide
>Isopropyl Alcohol

The fact you faggots carry more than that is surprising.
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>>2568674
If you aren't overprepared, you're underprepared.
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>>2568687
Ok, can you spoon-feed me any upgrades?
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>>2568674
Would you carry different stuff for night hiking?
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>>2568698
Flashlight faggot