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--- 70639581
has gotten fit helped you with grills?
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>>70639581 (OP)
I'm getting fit specifically to scare girls.
--- 70639606
>>70639581 (OP)
Perfect example of beautiful but not hot
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>>70639606
wdym her tits with that bra are hnnngggggg
--- 70639630
>>70639581 (OP)
Yes anon picrel
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>>70639581 (OP)
Built for BBC
--- 70639759
No, but my face did. My body was just a bonus
--- 70639770
>before lifting
>girls don't like me
>after lifting
>only fatties and nogs like me
--- 70639776
No I’m an undatable retard fuck you nigger lips
--- 70639792
Lifting has sorta enhanced my misogyny and general hatred for weakness. I don't talk to women anymore, but now I just don't care. I really don't care if I talk to anyone anymore or doing anything that isn't school, vidya, or lifting.

It's like I'm in this autistic haze of nothing mattering except lifting. Nothing else matters. I don't even feel human anymore.
--- 70639795
>>70639581 (OP)
Yes, and no.

It's helped me slam hot superficial sluts, but I'm still 30 an unmarried with no prospects for a real decent partner. Honestly, the more attractive you are, the worse people you attract.
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>>70639792
You sound like an autistic monogloid
One of those village idiot type characters
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>>70639795
I think it’s your asshole personality
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>>70639803
>You sound like an autistic monogloid
I'm not even offended by that. I do have autism though.
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>>70639821
If you found your character lock then why worry
Can’t argue with that
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>>70639837
>If you found your character lock then why worry
Because I have lingering feelings of regret that get smaller and smaller with each passing day. Like I did something terrible and slowly becoming deranged.
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>>70639581 (OP)
That's a man
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>>70639581 (OP)
Yeeeess, girls...
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>>70639581 (OP)
I've been getting looked at more, but I need to work on my social skills.
--- 70640501
Fat girls and ones with less fortunate faces mire me and very rarely outright try to ask me out. All I ask for is a homely 6/10 non-fat not insanely repulsive gf and I would settle, but they can get chad to fuck them so that ain't happening. Too much of a bitch to initiate so I just lift and diet to achieve my genetic maximum and please myself and god tm.

tl:dr No, made it worse cause higher libido
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>>70639581 (OP)
Not really. However its a nice bonus. You have to be absolutely fucking shredded for a very specific subset of women to react to that in the way you want. Women want face, charisma and humor above anything else. However, having a good body is a very nice bonus they appreciate if you already have the rest. If youre an autist your muscles wont make you attractive to women. If youre somewhat handsome and normal your muscles help you be more desirable than a handsome and normal dyel. Also getting fit makes you more handsome sometimes due to less fat in your face. Ive gotten my wife because Im a great dancer and nowadays shes mirin my arms and all but its really nothing that helps you pull decent women.
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>>70640501
>All I ask for is a homely 6/10 non-fat
That's already a 9/10 with todays selection
Not being fat already puts them in the top 20%
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>>70639581 (OP)
No. I've always been attractive to grills. Even as a middle aged man. Issue is I'm too autistic to break the ice so to speak
--- 70641048
No
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>>70639581 (OP)
Yes. It helps create a good first impression, but everything after that is still up to me not being an autistic sperg and knowing how to talk to women.

Being fit does give me more confidence which helps with the latter.
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>>70639581 (OP)
Women don't give a flying fuck about muscles, they only and solely care about face and height. I have every body part through, I was fat, I was thin, I was lean and I am now (because I really stopped giving a fuck) Powerlifter dadbod builtfat.
I never got any woman at any body stage of mine, meanwhile my friend who never touched a weight in his life swims in hot barely legal pussy at 30. He also literally never tries.
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>>70639581 (OP)
>helped you with grills
Yeah, I cook much more now, so the sense of meat, the feel to it, is definitely there. I rarely burn it now and after getting fit i've got cravings for that juicy rare ones.
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>>70639606
hot is debatable actually, while pretty almost isnt
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>>70639581 (OP)
Name? Need to see moar of that midriff
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>>70639606
How is she not hot? My monkey brain is steaming right now from the urge to impregnate her
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>>70639630
--- 70642321
>>70639581 (OP)
needs to brush her teeth
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>>70639581 (OP)
No. It's made my autistic rage go up and my social skills go down. I don't care though.
--- 70642908
no

who cares though, lifting is fun
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>>70639863
Your foresight is correct. That's some unibomber shit but you'll be bombing zoomba classes or something. You really need to step back and work shit out from the ground up
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>>70639581 (OP)
She really posted that video solely for the widespread viewing pleasure of millions of bbc worldwide
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>>70641470
not even a parody at this point
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>>70639581 (OP)
Is that a russian kino girl, right?
>>70639606
I prefer beautiful
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>>70639606
 idk anon we're just too used to seeing extremely hot women on the internets. I'm sure that if you meet someone like her irl you'd think that she's quite hot.
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>>70639581 (OP)
It actually did for a little while, but then I lost my hair and now I'm worse off than before. I've been saving up for a transplant in Miami but I still got 6k to go.
--- 70643143
>>70639581 (OP)
From 0 to 0
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>>70639581 (OP)
Surprised nobody in here seems to think her face looks kind of odd
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>>70639581 (OP)
kind of. I got more confident. But somehow, I've met more women who said stuff like "i don't care about your body, I care about you being nice" and stuff like that.
--- 70643244
3rd year uni. Lost 30 kg. Lifted for 6 months. A beautiful freshman girl pulled me to her place from a party and had to do her three times. Apparently I was just super handsome and nice :) This was a month ago.

This week my friend was fliting with a 4th uni year girl at a party and when went out for a smoke, she started talking to me. Her eyes sparked out when I told her that I lost my virginity only recently and pulled me to dance and we started getting into it. Apparently I was super cute amd handsome again. Friend saw us and left and is now angry with me :(

Being hot is a curse.
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>>70639581 (OP)
Nope
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>>70639581 (OP)
Yes. Once women started to notice me I would have a lot of fatties and drunk girls approach me, who I quickly turned off with my autism. Eventually I got the practice in and now I can talk to girls easily. Just 5 years ago I would not have believed that I would ever have the game that I do now. I feel like I can get almost any girl I want.
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>>70639592
I'm also intimidationmaxxing, but not just girls.
--- 70643496
I don't know it what delusion you niggas live in where women ever 'mire' or 'notice' men when they literally don't do that. You're a bunch of lying fags
--- 70643561
>>70643496
>Doesn't have check out chicks chat him up
Missing out bro, should ditch the dweeb shtick
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>>70643561
Stop the LARP
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>>70643668
You can't stop a frat star baby
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>>70643496
Post your face chang, I know you are that half-chinese retard that has BBC cuckold tendencies.
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>>70640594
Just because theyre rare doesnt get them higher on the scale, people just look like shit because theyre fat
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>>70643688
>LARPer is also a massively mentally ill faggot cuck
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>>70643690
The scales been blown out of proportion by (literal) inflation
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>>70639813
Nah I'm a great dude.
--- 70643866
>>70639581 (OP)
It made you more confident thus easier to approach women.

I don't train to impress them but it naturally comes with the territory if you're that dude.
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>>70639606
Here’s a better example
--- 70643885
No but I promise you that being fat will hurt your chances.
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>>70640594
>Not being fat already puts them in the top 20%

This is the worst black pill
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>>70639606
Usually called "cute."
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>>70643870
If you wouldn't destroy her until every single muscle is cramping at the same time you're just gay
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>>70643946
giga based
--- 70643991
>>70643870
Still hot, you guys are gay lol
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>>70643887
Blackpill?
Why aren't you in the top 20% as well?
Are you fat?
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>>70639581 (OP)
yes, but socially no. Feels as though currently I cant deal with the ad-hoc nature of girls engaging first, come up with retorts like minutes later after it bounces round my brain. Also, have very little life experience to even keep a convo going.Girls expect Im an extroverted chad or somesuch shittesting and all that. Out with coworkers and I get all the attention but dont have knowhow to do anything with it. Suppose I have to fake it till I become it. Like when a girl asks whats the worst date ive been on what do I even answer?
--- 70644126
>>70641148
Yes women do care about muscle, but it isn't the only thing that matters. Women like lean guys, they don't like bodybuilders or powerlifters. The ideal physique to attract females is something like picrel, as long as you're sub-12% bodyfat and aren't roiding then you'll be fine; just don't roid and don't be a mass monster. An amazing body is not everything though, if you're a 7/10 it can make you a 8/10, but just lifting isn't enough. While you can't change your face structure and height, you can change what you earn, how lean you are, your hygiene, how social you are (it is a skill, if you go outside more you'll get better at talking to people), your posture, and how stylish you are. While height and face are important, if you are 5'10 and have a 5/10 face, you can still become a 8.5/10 if you fix the other shit.
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>>70639630
https://www.tiktok.com/@realityshelly/video/7211626923821354286

>Drop one of them niggas When I kill em, call the reverend, yeah (Yeah) ’Cause no weapon formed against me shall prosper, yeah Gotta know I'm clutchin' on this choppa, yeah Waiting on them boys outside
--- 70644205
>>70643971
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>>70644126
>if you are 5'10 and have a 5/10 face, you can still become a 8.5/10 if you fix the other shit.
no
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Lifting can’t fix ugly
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>>70643496
They do you're just ugly. Women who mire men straight up most of the time are just whores or extremely brave. A lot of women will mire you subtly and you won't notice, which is why other women around you can tell you a girl is miring you but you don't know what she's talking about. You could be walking past a woman who is just staring straight ahead past you and she's miring you. Because we have different vision. Men have to focus on something to see, women's vision is clearer the men's when unfocused. Another one is right when she walks past you she will mire because women's peripheral vision is also better.
--- 70644894
>>70639581 (OP)

Absolutely does. But so does your status, money, and personality. Only incels think looks are the only thing that matter because that is the male perspective. Women value a bunch of traits, so while looking good certainly helps, it isnt the only thing that can help
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>>70639606
Idk but I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks there's a difference between hot beautiful and cute
--- 70644964
>>70642948
>You really need to step back and work shit out from the ground up
What does that even mean?
--- 70645011
>>70639606
It's the eye spacing and lack of meat on the bitch, mainly the eye spacing
--- 70645047
Maybe I get more mires, which is basically girls looking at me more but its prob 80% because I have a pretty face. Im pretty much leanmaxxed at 10-12% bf tho. Lifting does not make me any more social tho but it does help confidence sometimes
--- 70645075
>>70639606
I agree bro. I can't find anything to fault on her, but my dick isn't leaping.
--- 70645152
I'm a dyel but I went from morbidly obese to a healthy weight and 20% body fat. Not quite fit but healthy.

It definitely helped. I get more attention from women and people treat me much better. I felt completely invisible back when I was fat.
--- 70645338
>>70644964
He's letting lifting take over his life and what used to be something to make him better has turned into an escape and a cope for how his life and mental health is. He needs to build holistically or else he's going to lose his mind one day
--- 70645710
I got more pussy as a schlubby stoner. Hot skinny alt/e-girl types too. Getting lean and fit was the biggest mistake of my life as far as sex is concerned
--- 70645737
>>70645338
>build holistically
Speak english. I do not understand what you're saying.
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>>70645737
Build up everything at once and see what starts falling behind
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>>70639956
>oh shit
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>>70644046
if you knew incels you'd already know the answer kek
--- 70645926
My fiance saw pics of me in my 20s and said she would never have dated me because i was too skinny. Being like 20%bf but a little big definitely is her preference. She wants me to hop on gear and offered to shoot me up. (Nurse)
--- 70646003
>>70644046
For men, being fit isn’t enough to be in the top 20%
--- 70646041
>>70639606
I wouldn't even call her beautiful. Maybe pretty. Her eyes are very far apart from each other. Her lips are very wide and her nose is large. She has a strong, masculine chin. Her body lacks tone. She is just skin and bone. I don't like girls and women who are ripped, but she is just unattractive. No curves to speak of. Plus. of course, shooting that retarded video doesn't help.
--- 70646064
>>70646041
I'd fuck her 5 hours straight like the brown bull I am
--- 70646066
>>70639581 (OP)
very breedable
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>>70646064
fair enough. to me she looks russian, which is repulsive.
--- 70646087
the only times in my life when I got pussy, I was weghing in at 63kg at 191cm
so no
--- 70646089
>>70646003
>>70644046
>>70643887
>>70640594
>>70645912
>6'0 
>fit
>life in order which includes a good job, car, money, apartment, friends, etc
>good looking face
>tinder pics of the guys engaging in a lifestyle that the GIRL WOULD WANT ala hitting the club with friends, traveling to euro, yacht off dubai, etcetc
That's the MINIMUM btw.

That 6ft tall is their favorite filter that they actively use on guys that haven't even swiped yet on dating apps. It's their preferred because something guys can't change without breaking their legs and getting surgery.

>>70640501
>2023
>ask for is a homely 6/10 non-fat not insanely repulsive gf 
>while knowing "but they can get chad to fuck them so that ain't happening"
You know it's fucking over.
--- 70646107
>>70646087
>63kg at 191cm
dude...
I am 181cm and at that weight people called me a skeleton
--- 70646111
>>70646089
>Ali Allahqauq
rofl
who thinks of this shit
--- 70646154
>>70646111
mentally ill losers.
also they forgot Mario Dal Granduccello
--- 70646467
>>70639606
In college we came up with a tierlist for rating women, we had exact terms on what consistuted each tier. Ranking women was too much difficulty with people arguing over the semantics of numbers so I put forth this idea.
>Tier 1 - Top tier women, not necessarily supermodels, but they're good. In a traditional sense you would consider these as your 8s and up, a woman that you would pursue and love to fuck. But it was curated a bit more than the other tiers as you don't want it to be slightly exclusive.
>Tier 2 - You would be happy to tell the lads that you got with one of these, quite fit but maybe just missing something to push them into the upper echelon
>Tier 3 - It is within the realm of possibility that you would fuck them if the circumstances aligned correctly, but objectively they're not very good.
>Tier 4 - Completely untouchable, would never go near them, extremely ugly, fat, disabilities etc

We then graded each girl in our college into one of these and it was a very pain free way to understand where someone stood.

This was 5+ years ago so I can't remember the exact wording on what each tier represented. For instance, if someone wanted to put a rottener in Tier 4 you would then raise the question of Tier 3, i.e. is it within the realm of possibility.
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>>70639581 (OP)
>>70643870
>>70643971
Daily reminder non of you are going to make it because you crave what is in real life litteral 10/10.
--- 70647030
>>70639606
>Doesn't wear makeup
>"Yeah I guess she's not hot"

Holy shit have you been conditioned to fall only for frosted whores?
--- 70647041
>>70639592
Ngl this is the key to long term happiness
--- 70647135
>>70646089
who the fuck made this
--- 70647141
>>70646945
I will not accept defeat
--- 70647156
>>70646945
these are all 6-7 tops in my country
--- 70647585
>>70647141
Than change your win conditions, because no model/17yr old turbo stacy influence will ever crave deranged 4chan poster
>>70647156
Is your country /b/ or /r9k/ ?
--- 70647605
>>70646945
Not 10 but definitely above average
--- 70647652
I no longer want women.
I want a body that can murder with ease.
--- 70647878
whomst
--- 70647962
>>70644112
Ok anon, here's a tip that will land you all the pussy you want, as long as you pass the other tests (not being fat or poor being the main ones, also hygiene).
The MAIN trick in talking to women is to NEVER, EVER EVER answer directly to the question she is asking. Always answer jokingly, WITHOUT explicitly and succinctly answering her query.
This makes the women, who have child like brains, sligthly confused, and makes them pay more attention when speaking to you. You have to derail their question with something witty, and often times you won't even have to answer the original question, since the woman will be stunned.
Example: She asks you what's the worst date you've ever been on? 
The William Shatner answer is the perfect one - it makes them laugh, and confuses them. If she persists, if she asks again, you say 'well, if you truly want to know my opinion.. I was never much for dates. Oranges are my favourite fruit by far'.
You keep pulling her leg, as if you were teasing a retarded child, until she says 'omg, you're impossible!'
After you hear those 3 magic words, you are IN like Flynn, my boi! 

A guy I knew from highschool had a thing where he always said to women that he never tasted bubble gum. Women find this confusing, and interesting, since no one in their cramped little retarded world ever dared to claim such a thing, and, like a retarded child, they HAVE to probe deeper and find out WHY. There is no 'why', when they ask questions about it, you answer with semi-witty and NON DIRECT answers.

tl;dr TALK TO WOMEN AS IF THEY ARE A RETARDED CHILD, NEVER ANSWER DIRECTLY TO QUESTIONS, ANSWER WITH A WITTY FAUX MISUNDERSTANDING ANSWER.
--- 70647972
>>70639792
so close no matter how faaaaaaaaar lookin ass nigga
--- 70648147
Well not directly. I am lifting for more than a year right now. I notice some girls mirin towards me everytime im in the gym working out.
--- 70648167
>>70645338
truth. lifting is just a piece of the puzzle. TRAIN EVERYTHING
--- 70648221
>>70647652
why do you gymcels think you can fight for shit?
--- 70648458
>>70639581 (OP)
helped me attract them but didnt help me keep them. its literally like the classic
>nice deadlift bro, she let me hit bc im goofy
you gotta work on your personality. i've gotten laid more since i lost the weight and put on muscle, but it didnt get me a gf. that comes from mental gains. being yoked doesnt make your more funny, interesting or smart, it just makes you nicer to look at. being yoked is a bonus, not the whole thing. its what you add to your charming personality to make you even more likeable. just take a disgusting amount of osychedlics like i did and completely erase your social anxiety. the just b urself meme is real. its like a superpower. its always been this easy, all along.
--- 70648658
>>70639581 (OP)
No, i am still an autistic dude, but with better body. Literally just that. 
If you aren't hot, confident or funny - over for you, my friend. 
At this point, I work out just bcs it's a habit
--- 70648671
>>70647962
nigga u 17 ?
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>>70639792
good, leave humanity behind
--- 70648692
>look at me, dont you wanna fuck me?

Woman...
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>>70648671
17 feet tall? heh.
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>>70639581 (OP)
It did, actually. My wife loves that I'm fit. It feels good to be able to protect her. Our first baby is due in Oct after 1.5 years of marriage.
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>>70639581 (OP)
I became even more of a recluse after starting to lift so no.
--- 70649082
>>70639581 (OP)
No because I'm 5'9
--- 70649108
>>70647962
As retarded as it sounds, this is the essence of push-and-pull. I've been on a very long break from love and romance and I think a lot about "how to talk to women" and I forget that years ago I would just talk about shit and pull their leg all the time the way this anon described and they loved it. So obsessing about "what am I gonna talk to her about" is stupid because these conversations are never about anything in particular it's just push and pull about whatever bullshit is on your mind at the moment. She isn't interested in your words anyway and you are not interested in her either it's all about sex.
--- 70649125
join a swinger site, it's just that easy if you look good & have some semblance of normalcy
>
--- 70649321
>>70649125
>just start fucking middle aged wives with their small dick husbands jerking off at you in the corner bro
--- 70649531
I would say it helped me with my recent ex, great girl, but super short relationship.

I don't want to lift for girls, I want to lift for THE girl, the one I can take care of as we unite our souls with in marriage, and then have kids with.
--- 70649628
>>70649321
i get to play one-on-one lol
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>>70639581 (OP)
No. Physique doesn't matter if you're cursed with manletism