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--- 92814822
it's over for the boomer's HDD, finally
--- 92814893
>>92814822 (OP)
You will own 128GB of ssd storage and you will be happy.
--- 92814924
>>92814822 (OP)
Why are so many buying into the SSD scam? Or is it just that they're pushing it so hard? I'll take magnetic storage over SSD any day
--- 92814966
>>92814924
>Why are so many buying into the SSD scam?
Speed
>but muh reliability
Two drives in RAID
Now stop being retard
--- 92814974
>>92814924
Gayming mentality. Not a single retarded zoomer has ever considered that HDDs nowadays are mostly used for file storage and not for games or OS
--- 92815032
>>92814924
theyre quite a nice thing to have when gaming or when you just want speed, but having a few hdds for larger storage is always the way to go
--- 92815034
Laptop manufacturers haven't used hdds since about 2017. I had one of the last models (An unreliable ASUS piece of shit). They don't even use M.2 for ssds but "emmc" which doesn't work with Windows 7.
--- 92815036
Maybe they shouldn't have fucked everyone over by replacing most of their stack with SMR garbage.
--- 92815064
>>92805285 →

>>92805285 →

>>92805285 →
--- 92815085
>>92814822 (OP)
>Buy a 1T HDD
>Dies in less than 1 year despite barely being used
>Use a 512GB SSD for 6 years as the main storage
>Works 
Yeah bro, HDD are so reliable btw.
--- 92815107
If I was only rich
--- 92815137
>>92814822 (OP)
pricing is weird tho. ssds are in freefall while hdds are going up? i got the 14tb WD elements from here for 208 eur april LAST YEAR
--- 92815146
generic $500 laptops have 500gb ssds now
it's all over for hdd kikes
--- 92815162
HDD are great cost per GB, but it’s the old paradox. You have all this room. So what takes up the most room, video naturally. But getting said video onto or off the drives takes forever, and working with it live on the disk kinda blows.
Eventually I hope to only use them as cheap backup, for powered down storage.
--- 92815194
>>92814924
Speed. Silence. Low power use. Lighter and take up less space. Not as fragile as mechanical drives.
For extra credit, unlike the HDD market, the SSD market doesn't consist of just 3 companies.
--- 92815203
>>92814924
>makes noise
>more power
>low r/w speeds
>better for archiving

>makes zero noise
>less power
>very high r/w speeds
>better for daily usage

idk you choose
--- 92815249
>>92815203
Find me a nvme/sata ssd for $10-$15 per TB. They're still 5 times more expensive than HDD which makes them unpractical for your typical consumer datahorder unless you're a business that has millions in budget.
--- 92815267
>>92814893
4tb ssd drive is 250 dollars
--- 92815287
>>92815203
Now to get the rest of the computer silent and fanless
--- 92815288
>>92814893
2tb worth of NVME is ~90$, boomer
--- 92815291
>>92815267
or you an get a 18TB HDD for the same price which makes more sense
--- 92815302
>>92814822 (OP)
This is great, I'm gonna get a 16TB HDD for cheap soon!
--- 92815309
>>92814822 (OP)
Good: cheaper HDD's for me.
--- 92815318
>>92815249
Have you tried not being a dopamine fried coomer?
--- 92815349
>>92814924
>opens file
>system goes unresponsive
>program stops responding
>here clicks coming from PC
>a few seconds later the wurrring sounds of platters beginning to spin can be heard
>file finally opens
The only thing HDDs have going is their storage space. Even in an array that benefits read speed, they're slow as fuck.
--- 92815366
What is the theoretical upper bound fox the max storage on hdd VS old style ssd VS nvme?
--- 92815380
>>92814822 (OP)
Dropped less than the Macbook sales.
--- 92815384
>>92815366
500, 100, 50
--- 92815390
>>92814924
Zoomers are too stupid to see the value in archiving anything locally, they exist entirely on the internet and when something is taken down or no longer possible to obtain they just move on to the next new thing to consoom.
--- 92815414
>>92815267

still not cheap enough for me to justify buying 8 drives and the capacity is shit, i keep looking at the 8tb drives though, if they fall another $100 im tempted, around 50tb of SSD storage with two drive redundancy for about $2500 sounds ok.
--- 92815418
>>92815390
Have you tried not being poor?
--- 92815441
Only normies use SSD. HDD masterrace
--- 92815447
>prices tank
>22tb hdd's are 18$/tb new

pic related
--- 92815451
>>92815418
Even if I wasn't poor, spending all my money on high density solid state storage would be a great way to get there with how poor value the pricing is relative to capacity.
--- 92815485
At this rate maybe I will end up using SSDs coupled with a tape drive for backup for my next NAS solution.
--- 92815520
>>92815137
Manufactures are really good at controlling stock levels so as people buy less, they make less and price goes up as each drive gets more expensive to make as they aren't making as many.

This type of shit only works in a controlled market where the products produced are not used as inputs, HDDs are only made by 3 companies and the HDDs themselves are used as-is so they can respond very quicky to market conditions.

SSDs on the other hand, almost any electronics company can make and even though the raw NAND chips are only produced by 3 major companies, they cannot rapidly change NAND prices or control stock as the companies making SSDs tend to stockpile NAND.
--- 92815531
>>92815085
Skill issue.
I have Toshiba HDD 1TB still going strong after 6 years.
--- 92815533
>>92814822 (OP)
There's no point unless you're a hoarder.
--- 92815547
>>92815520
okay but one would think the HDD manufacturers prefer to run at higher capacity and sell more HDDs right now there are people who'd buy cheap HDDs but opt for smaller and faster SSDs instead and all 3 HDD manufs lose out on their money
--- 92815549
>>92815533
im a hoarder
--- 92815610
>>92815451
My dumb RAID10 NAS has 18tb worth of usable storage. Have all my personal files, ISOs, music (30k songs), shows and over 100 movies (including 4k). All of that is less than 14TB or one big HDD.
--- 92815616
>>92814924
M2 NVME (chinese brand) is so fucking cheap. 4TB is more or less 100 dollars depending in the model

>but muh chinese crap

you are old news, burger. Your culture, your economy, your currency and your women belong to BBC.
--- 92815617
>>92815447

shit man i didnt even know there were 22tb drives yet, ive been waiting on 10tb drives falling again since they spiked during the pandemic/chia bullshit and have not come back down to the lows i picked mine up at..its actually been so fucking long now that ive legit just been thinking about saying fuck it and upgrading my entire array to 18 or 20tb drives with more redundancy when the price of those falls instead to the point i can just buy about 6-8 drives in one go for about 2k, but i also have the dilemma of now seeing 8tb sata ssds becoming cheap, if those drop another $100 i might just switch to full SSD's instead as i figure SSD caps are only going to come down over time and im not exactly struggling for space atm.
--- 92815620
>>92815249
are you retarded? top one is hdd and bottom one is ssd

>>92815287
>go to bios
>choose silent fan profile
optional
>adjust the fan levels by hands if you want perfect silence
--- 92815636
>>92815414
Same here.
I use hard drives mostly because I make backups.
At least 2 backup copies plus RAID.
So to store 4TB of data I actually need 16TB.

I do use an SSD as system drive, and my HHD's are in a NAS with 2TB of SSD cache.
So I don't really suffer any performance penalty.
--- 92815639
>>92815249
>consumer datahorder
>consumer
>datahorder

you are just addicted to store crap in your computer.
--- 92815658
>>92815533
There are only two kinds of people in the world: hoarders and retards
--- 92815662
>>92815639
Look at this faggot thinking he can store everything at DA CLOUD and own his files. Enjoy your v&
--- 92815666
>>92815610
that's nice sweetie, but getting enough storage for only what you have right now, is pretty fucking retarded, don't you think? you also need room to grow and redundancy and backups on top of that.
--- 92815672
>>92814822 (OP)
HDD is good for less frequently accessed data
kys
--- 92815683
>>92815617
ive been buying renewed exos 12tb and mdd 12tb's for 10/tb and only had 3 out of 10 fail on arrival, and all three were exchanged (these were the MDDs) the exos renewed all worked
--- 92815700
>>92815036
Yea the smr stuff put me off larger than 8tb drives. I do have a couple of 14tb but I use em for backups. For the arrays of 2 and 4tb disks
--- 92815706
>>92815683
>only had 3 out of 10 fail on arrival
>only 3
>only
anon..
--- 92815709
>>92815085
git gud
--- 92815728
>>92815291
4tb used drives 25 to 40 all day everyday tho as well. Stark contrast.
--- 92815738
good riddance. like always, rest in piss, you won't be missed
--- 92815748
>>92815616
What brand?
--- 92815753
>>92815709
113k fucking hours? what is the brand and model of the drive?
--- 92815759
>>92814924
>I'll take magnetic storage over SSD any day
You mean the diskettes and tape drives?
SSD has no moving parts, they not afraid of transportation and magnetic fields and basically can run forever in ro.
--- 92815770
>>92815759
>basically can run forever in ro
lol no because what dies on them is the controller
--- 92815772
>>92814822 (OP)
The main advantage of HDs is the better price per GB, but modern hard drives much more prone to dying, so this is not much of an advantage anymore.
--- 92815792
>>92815759
SSDs you need to power em once in a while to keep the data intact, but other than that they're fine.
--- 92815832
>>92814924
They aren't mutually exclusive, just use both. Got a NAS filled with hard drives, nvme ssds for interactive machines.
--- 92815883
>>92815291
before i manage to fill up 18TB, ssds will be 10x bigger. i don't know what you guys are storing that you need more than let's say 2x4TB drives
--- 92815888
The problem is that if upgrade my NAS from HDDs to SSDs, I'll personally want to actually upgrade my networking equipment too lmao
--- 92815934
>>92815666
>that's nice sweetie, but getting enough storage for only what you have right now, is pretty fucking retarded, don't you think?
*only* 30k songs, 100 movies, 50 shows, ISOs since 2006. Do you even fathom what that means? It's entertainment for an entire year offline.
>you also need room to grow 
Buy another 18tb hdd
>redundancy
Not really. Your hentai collection doesn't need 99.99% uptime
>backups on top of that.
One of the first things they teach you in security is establishing criticality level of your information. Out of my 14TB, only my personal files are unrecoverable and critical and they're like 70gb worth of data. My cringe high school photos are not exactly confidential, so I keep them in a cloud backup. Music, shows, ISOs and movies can be downloaded again in less than a week.
--- 92815936
>>92815753
WDC WD7501AALS-00J7B1
I also have a WDC WD3200AAKS-00UU3A0, Samsung HD203WI, and Samsung HD103UJ with over 100k.
--- 92815956
>>92815662
t. coomer hoarder

keep using HDDs coomer, buy them all because they are going extinct, lol.
--- 92815959
>>92815934
>Music, shows, ISOs and movies can be downloaded again in less than a week.
sure, if all you are consuming is goyslop.
--- 92815980
>>92815636

i tend to shuck and salvage drives from wherever, but as i now have way over 100-120tb of storage across tons of drives, i need to just start getting bigger drives now and consolidating shit, i have a few separate nas setups and i run way better redundancy and cold backups for my jellyfin server so i wont lose anything even if i have three drives fail at once, but for my seedboxes im downloading crap on i just run with salvaged drives on synology stuff...i run basic SHR, just enough that ill at least get a warning probably if something dies, worst case i lose the crap ive half downloaded before ive transferred and backed it up, i can live with that.
--- 92815987
>>92815959
What kind of non-personal media do you have that can't re-downloaded from torrents?
--- 92816021
>>92815748
I don't care really, I just look at one with the next characteristics:

- most units sold
- the one with best reviews
- cheapest price

if it gets the top of those 3 categories (or the closest to the top), it's good enough. If you are a little paranoid about it, you can check if someone in youtube has buy it and see the review.

It's cheap as fuck, if you are a burger, you shouldn't care too much about the price (I am from Southamerica and I bought one, one year and going great).

If you don't you want to "risk" it, you can keep buying to the Neweggjew.
--- 92816028
>>92815883
I dunno but I store the pirated games I like and any mods. Movies tv show animu take up most tho. I don't sub to any stream service. Also run a pajeetibtre server for ebooks. Instead of Google or other cloud services all calendar files etc sync to the house. We have 2.5 gig fiber. Dunno I handle my parental units and then my family in the home of eight. Music is another space eater since I typically try to only grab flac. All self hosted at home fiber has never been down except after the power outage due to hurricane.
--- 92816045
>>92815987
mostly products that is not being funded by big companies. indie music, small movies that is coming from south east asia and more media if you wanna name it.
--- 92816061
>>92815987
Japanese television shows never get proper home releases, and after only a short period of time you will often be lucky to be able to find even a horrible quality 240p bilibili stream with hardcoded chink subs. 

Take いきなり!黄金伝説 for example. This was a massively popular show, with stars that are popular to this day. It literally cannot be found anywhere on torrents, not on speciality trackers not public trackers. The episodes existed at one point, but everyone just thought it wasn't important to keep the original captures, I mean, it's a show, it'll always be available, right? Wrong. It's now gone forever, only the studio has access to it (if they even kept backups lol, Japanese broadcasters have a history of shitty archiving behavior) and they can't/won't release it for any number of reasons, not the least of which that broadcasting regulations have changed and a lot of content even from just 10 years ago is now considered inappropriate to broadcast.
--- 92816066
>>92815987
>can't re-downloaded from torrents?
Do you really assume torrents are forever?
--- 92816068
>>92816028
hdd still makes sense for you now i suppose but i would bet that within 5 years or so you too will move to ssd because they will just stop manufacturing hdds and cheap ssds will exceed 16TB or more
--- 92816137
>helium depletino
It's over...
--- 92816161
>>92816066
I can still find seeded torrents from 2006 on my private trackers
--- 92816174
>>92815267
>4tb ssd drive is 250 dollars
far from cheap
--- 92816204
>>92815291
At 1200 RPM
--- 92816226
>>92816061
>Muh weeb autism that literally nobody cares about
Add all of that unobtainium crap up. I doubt it's more than 500-1000gb.

>>92816045
Same as above. Really doubt you have more than 1tb worth of unrecoverable non-personal media.
--- 92816228
>>92814822 (OP)
I use HDD for NAS
I have purchased more HDDs for my NAS than STDs

There's definitely a stable floor when it comes to HDD consumers because when one of my drives fail im instantly forking hundreds of dollars for a replacement...

Might be a business opportunity to make a docker program auto order a replacement drive once a drive starts failing.
Like give me a replacement drive with a box to return the dead guy for recycling credit.
--- 92816237
>>92816068
I dunno mate I still have 500gb drives that are fine not to mention 1 and 2tb that are all 10 or more years old with tens of thousands of hours. I just loaded crystaldisk and most of my 2tb are around 90k plus hours while my 4tb around 30k. I do a full format check on all my drives once every year 2.
--- 92816254
>>92815987
Some things are rare even on torrents. One of my favorite manga still hasn't been fully scanlighted, and collecting it chapter by chapter, ugh.

I have some work stuff stored too, especially legacy software distributions. For instance, I have Oracle BI 9.x setup files that been lost by vendor, I provided it back to them them once which was a surprise.
--- 92816303
>>92816254
It's used to be prior to 2013 or about you could rely on Usenet retention or torrents to have everything even older ones that ran for a decade. That changed when the corps and govs started cracking down via dmca etc that came into play after 911 and bush admin. They started to use automated tools and algorithms around 2010 to 2013 to full effect.
--- 92816310
>>92816237
Bet these faggots are using HDDs in a case with lots of vibration and/or crappy PSUs. Hell I have a 3TB Shitgate HDD with 60k+ hours
--- 92816337
>>92816254
That's less than 10gb worth of critical data.
--- 92816390
>>92816310
I'm just using off the shelf from home Depot shelf hangars then I cut em with a hacksaw. Rubber washers plus screws I zip tie a couple 120s I have laying around to the front. 4 to 8 drives. Basically make your own cage. Run longish sata or sad and done. Hell sas controllers are so cheap ATM and better than most of the port multipliers you can buy from startech or whatever no name.
--- 92816410
SSDs die in 5 years meanwhile HDDs last 10+ years

I have a Samsung HDD from 2009 still kicking ass 24/7 as a seedbox
--- 92816432
>>92816410
Lmao Tru I still have some 80gb Maxtor patas even an external that work.
--- 92816436
>>92816337
So are you going to consult your crystal ball to decide what might become critical data in the future?
--- 92816443
>>92816237
>>92816310
>>92816410
Just because you get lucky with a select few drives doesn't mean they are all reliable.
Some of the most common HDDs in existence (eg seagate rosewood) are legit time bombs
--- 92816449
>>92816226
>I doubt it's more than 500-1000gb.
then you're a fucking retard. Shows that have run for decades have decades missing and you think that'd all amount to just a terabyte?
--- 92816458
>>92816436
DVD burners will make a comeback or blu-ray burners and we'll go back to optical rofl. Which would be the cherry on top since too have physical lifespan and durability
--- 92816490
>>92816458
literally impossible unless optical somehow stores 10x more for 1/10 the price than it currently does
--- 92816503
>>92816443
I've had several failures or doas it's a crapshoot especially buying new. Those old enterprise drives are tested Tru though generally speaking and a full format will reveal if it's dying or just fine. These drives unless the controller outright fails immediately do speak and tell you they are dying or just fine. Full format is pretty much all you need to see signs.
--- 92816505
>>92816021
4tb? The cheapest one I see is 2tb for $89.
--- 92816530
>>92816337
Data tends to accumulate. Nowdays with cucktube we can't rely on cloud platforms anymore to store video, which usually takes most space.

>>92816303
Oracle actually was pioneering modern automation systems, the reason why their code has unbelievable amounts of legacy parts. The database has almost everything built on USE flags, with codebase more than 25 mil strings of C (at the moment of 12.2). This thing is unmaintainable without QA and testing so they're developed the whole thing. More info for anyone concerned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941
--- 92816539
>>92816443
A drive with no manufacturing defects is unlikely to fail catastrophically unless it's mishandled.
--- 92816602
>>92816539
I can count on my two hands the amount of drives that had head crashes out of thousands. The older ones that are up 2 5.25 bays easily outstrip the newer 3.5 designs especially with helium.
--- 92816969
>>92815533
>he doesn't hoard
--- 92818586
>>92815287
Water cooling. 
place the radiator and pump in a different room, and run the pipes through the wall.
--- 92818643
>512GB SSDs are $20 now
>1TB SSDs are $40 now
>2TB SSDs are $80 now
--- 92819038
>>92818643
What 2TB ssd is $80?
I need to know
--- 92819160
>>92819038
These are the cheapest 2TB SSDs known to pcpartpicker.
--- 92819182
>>92819160
Silicon power and team group are shit tier, everything else is listed is chink garbage.
--- 92819186
>>92816410
i recently threw away a 10 year old intel ssd which had absolutely nothing wrong with it after years of heavy use
--- 92819218
>>92815616
>bought a 1TB Chinese no name SSD
>it was dead within 4 months
Going with something like Crucial or Samsung is more worthwhile. Even a 1TB Crucial MX500 is only $70.
--- 92819225
>>92819186
Why didn't you give it to me?
--- 92819244
>>92819186
>10 years old
It was likely a high quality SLC, so no shit it lasted a long time since they were making them properly back then.
--- 92819284
I will buy a 2TB hard drive for less then the price of a triple ASS video game
--- 92819311
>>92819182
Inland (Microcenter) and Patriot are American companies. Also Intel.
--- 92819509
>>92819284
Soon you'll need a 2TB drive just to store a single triple ASS video game.
--- 92819556
>>92819284
And then you have to live with it for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM [Embed]
--- 92819781
>>92819556
Speed is nice. One thing about that though is newer stuff is bloated telemetry and spyware. I could get a 2 or 4 disk stripe set to boot win7x64 not 32 as fast as an SSD.
--- 92820050
>Windows 7
>2500K
>HDD's
>Anything older than 2012 at most
I still don't understand how dudes in their 30's are so obsessed with obsolete shit tech that they make it their whole identity and are more retarded and obsessively stuck in the past than even actual boomers that are twice their age. What causes this?
--- 92820115
>>92820050
HDDs aren't obsolete, SSDs don't offer massive amounts of storage without having to sell your house
--- 92820121
>>92814822 (OP)
It has been over for the past five years. HDDs have going towards datacenter and SMB markets.
--- 92820129
>>92820050
>nooo you can't just use something that works you have to updaaaaate
--- 92820158
>>92820115
Only thing I use my HDD's is for making backups of my data once every six months, they spend the rest of their time in a drawer because they are insufferable (slow and loud) for any other usage. I haven't put an HDD inside my PC for more than 5 years now.
--- 92820167
>>92815107
Useless outside of big data
--- 92820172
>>92814822 (OP)
It's not over for those 12TB HDD's that are powering AI right now idiot
--- 92820178
>>92820158
>only backing up once every 6 months
--- 92820179
>>92820158
Some of us want terrabytes worth of media that aren't at the mercy of subscription fees or licensing that can disappear overnight.
--- 92820190
>>92814893
yea I'd be happy with free 128gb ssd
more of it is better
--- 92820193
>>92820115
>SSDs don't offer massive amounts of storage without having to sell your house
SSD offer tons of capacity, and premium isn't that bad over HDDs. It only gets very expensive you are shooting for ultra-density.
--- 92820194
>>92814893
iCloud bro
--- 92820220
>>92820158
Why not just go full zoomer and put all your backups on someone else's computer?
--- 92820230
>>92820193
>and premium isn't that bad over HDDs
Compare a 16TB SSD and HDD and say that again.
--- 92820240
>>92816410
>SSDs die in 5 years meanwhile HDDs last 10+ years
ROFL, this hasn't been true for years. MOst Mainstream HDD shit themselves within 1-2 years and rarely endure beyond 5 years. SSD are practically invincible as long as the controller chip doesn't get kill by electrical surge (Modern HDDs also have this problem too)
--- 92820262
>>92820230
>Retard can't understand what density means
--- 92820267
>>92820193
Show me where you can get an 8TB SSD for $200 like you can with an 8TB HDD then.
--- 92820277
>>92820179
That's fine, this is why USB docking stations exist (I actually own one for that very reason). Putting an HDD inside my PC however? No fucking way, that shit is obsolete and useless and I want to keep the computer quiet and without having something as meaningless as that taking space.
>>92820129
>>92820220
See? This is what I am talking about. Actual mental illness.
--- 92820295
>>92820262
The whole argument in the thread is that HDDs aren't obsolete because yes you use SSD for OS+small set of personal files, but if you want a lot of files you need a HDD. You did not define anything as what ultra-density was, this is an entirely subjective measure as you did not give any numbers.
--- 92820351
>>92814924
I'm a retarded hoarder with 12 active HDDs, but for the average consumer who will use a single drive at most it makes sense to just own one SSD.
--- 92820489
>>92820295
HDDs are obsolete for good number of use cases and that list continues to grow. Only data hoarders have a problem. HDDs are becoming a familiar bedfellow with tape media. 
>>92820267
$500-600 isn't that bad over ~$200 if you want vastly superior access speed and I/O throughput. SSD prices really had dropped that hard on non ultra-dense stuff. It will continue to drop.
--- 92820511
>cheap HDDs are going to disappear because the economy of scale will collapse; even cloud campuses are moving to pure SSD
Rip data hoarders.
--- 92820530
>>92820489
>go on Amazon
>8TB HDD is $100
>8TB SSD is $500
Access speed means jackshit if I could have quadruple the space for the same price.
--- 92820549
>>92820511
Cheap, dense HDDs have already disappeared. The old, new stock is drying up. New HDDs made are becoming sold almost entirely to datacenter/enterprise customers.
--- 92820551
>>92820489
>Only data hoarders have a problem
If you're not a data hoarder, you're at the mercy of ever more progressive corporations not restricting, deleting or modifying the content you want. In other words, unless you can't afford to be one, you're a tool.
--- 92820575
>>92820530
>Poor-fag rationalizing this hard
>Soar Grapes
--- 92820589
>>92820575
>no goy, you must buy the SSD! it may cost 4x the price but its just better, you dont need more space!
--- 92820604
>>92820530
ARE
YOU
POOR?
--- 92820608
>>92820295
>you use SSD for OS+small set of personal files, but if you want a lot of files you need a HDD
Which decade are we talking about here? A 970 Evo Plus 1TB is just $70 (and SATA SSDs tend to be even cheaper). Unless you have a very strong focus on videos, you can fit hundreds of thousands of 'personal files' on it.
--- 92820619
>>92815533
you are gonna regret not hoarding
--- 92820625
>>92820551
Sorry, your anime tities collection and shitty shows are not important data.
--- 92820633
>>92820575
>>92820604
>spending $2k instead of $400 just to read files a few seconds faster
--- 92820644
>>92820625
They're important to me, and that's all that matters.
--- 92820655
>>92820589
>You must consume and hoard shitty porn, shows for FOMO that you later easily grow bored of and never view again
--- 92820696
>>92820633
>On a medium that you will literately outlast you versus a spinning motor that will shit itself a year or two after the manufacturer's warranty expires. 
You will have to pay an arm and leg to perform any disaster recovery.
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>>92820608
>Which decade are we talking about here?
/g/ is truly stuck around 2012 or so. Faggots here are having obsolete debates and they don't even realize that even sata SSDs are slowly becoming legacy. In the near future (hell, it's already happening) it will be all about NVMe drives for actualy heavy/demanding workloads and sata ssds for file storage and anything that doesn't require much speed.
Even current gen consoles have NVMes as baseline, but no, /g/ legit thinks that hdds/sata ssds are gonna last forever. I fully understand why someone needs HDDs for data hoarding reasons, I do it myself. But for anything else? Get a fucking grip you faggots.
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>>92820696
>literately outlast you
l o l
>You will have to pay an arm and leg to perform any disaster recovery.
Or I could just restore from a backup. I guess it's hard to afford drives to put backups on if you're going all in on sdds.
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>>92820158
>loud 
why are people such fags about this?
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>>92820696
SSDs die if you don't power them on often enough. Also of note is that literally no data center would dream of putting an SSD in cold storage for this reason, while a HDD in cold storage will be fine for decades.
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>>92820764
Modern HDDs are pretty quiet. They pale in comparison to the old ball barring units that were commonplace early 2000 and older. 10K-15K units were screamers.
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>>92815639
>goyim, you are addicted to storing things, this is a serious problem for racism and climate change

can you please stop.
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>>92820778
Datacenters use tape for cold storage. Tape is superior to HDDs and SSD at this. HDDs are only use for bulk warm storage that doesn't need access speed or I/O throughput.
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>>92815617
Where are you seeing cheap 8tb ssds?
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>>92815137
Yeah, it is called supply and demand. Not to mention the memory markets are absolutely wrecked right now.
--- 92820838
>>92814822 (OP)
SMR has nothing to do with it
NOTHING
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>>92820764
>SSD only
>PC is so silent at idle/low workloads, I need to stick my ear on the case to hear anything
>Put an HDD in
>The buzzing can be heard at all fucking times, even with the best drives available
>>92820796
Pretty quiet doesn't equal silent. Even good 7200rpm drives are very audible.
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>>92819218
>it was dead withing 4 months

probably chinks simply hate you, burger.
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>>92820816
>porn hoarder
>trannime hoarder

tell me this is not (You), anon....
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>>92820841
> Even good 7200rpm drives are very audible.
Only when running out in the open. You cannot hear them running inside any half-decent case. Your chassis fans are louder. You kiddies really have no idea how much of a impact fluid-bearing motors had on HDDs.
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>>92820877
Not even a burger actually.
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>>92820891
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>>92820907
whatever you say, bro.
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>>92820903
>You cannot hear them running inside any half-decent case.
Wrong.
>Your chassis fans are louder.
Extremely wrong. 
>You kiddies
I am 33 and I've been building my own PC's ever since I was 16. Only times the fans were actually louder than the HDD's themselves was back in early to late 00's and maybe even up to around 2011 or so, assuming you had bad fans.
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>>92816226
I know you get satisfaction from shitposting but at least make it interesting.
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>>92820970
>Wrong.
NTA but I have an ancient ass WD Re2 drive in my hotswap bay and it's inaudible unless you put your ear, all my fans are 120mm spinning at 800rpm
about 7-8 secs is when I move my phone to the front of the bay
https://files.catbox.moe/vez5bk.m4a

Perhaps there are a few select cases that amplify HDD noise but literally any case that makes a reasoned attempt to decouple HDDs and they become inaudible save for spinning up.
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>>92820796
i know thats why i wonder why are they such fags about the barely audible sound
--- 92821431
>>92821322
That sounds super loud in general though. From the first second I could clearly hear lots of noise even from the fans themselves.
>all my fans are 120mm spinning at 800rpm
I run my 120mm fans much lower than that on idle/low workloads, around ~430rpm or so (can't remember the exact number). Plus, I have a GPU and a PSU that just shut down their fan(s) when the temp is under a certain threshold.
And once I upgrade, I am considering getting a case with 200mm fans so they won't need to spin too fast even at high workloads. So yeah, HDD's are clearly very audible.
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>>92814893
boom boom retard
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>>92821431
>That sounds super loud in general though
That's because the phone is jacking the gain up
You can literally hear the 3D printer going in the closet despite it being in it's own enclosure with the closet door closed, that's how much the phone is adjusting gain to hear something.

>I have a GPU and a PSU that just shut down their fan(s) when the temp is under a certain threshold
Mine do that too
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>>92814924
Like any moron who's fallen for advertising, they think they're special because they paid more for less - but looky, it has a famous brand on the label!

We call this "Apple Effect".
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>>92821427
Unless you are autistic enough shooting for absolute silence. It is literately a non-issue.
--- 92821987
Maybe hdds shouldnt have gone up in price while ssds halve in price every other year if they wanted to sell some
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>>92821427
because barely audible is the most annoying sound.
>>92821743
yes
--- 92822937
>i MUST preserve the pre-woke version of ‘Burn Notice’ ripped from seven different video formats to show to my children
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>>92822937
kys
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>>92815162
> powered-down storage

Hope you like your bitrot
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>>92816204
Could be half that, no one needs high transfer speeds from a HDD nowadays, it's for long term storage and specially media storage.
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>>92815249
>Find me a nvme/sata ssd for $10-$15 per TB.
What datacenter are you running?
Oh, wait, you're talking about a niche market.
>waaaa why don't the majority of people make purchasing decisions based on my wants
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>>92823059
>Hope you like your bitrot
bitrot happens regardless, it's a fundamental law of the universe.
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>>92814924
>SSD scam
nobody cares what you think retard
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>>92815441
This

Any 2.5" chads in here?
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>>92823450
not if the bits were engraved into a platter physically. engraved for 1 and then filled/flat for 0 (just put a little filament reel in your case to feed your drives)
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>>92823589
actually scratch that you wouldn't actually need a filament reel if the drive had a compartment for storing the pieces that are carved out to be reused to fill other bits
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>>92820827
You expect me to buy a tape reader? Don't those cost thousands?
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>>92815162
All I need is to play video off them. Even the shittiest of hdds makes 60 MB/s (a 2.5" at the inner tracks). That's 480 mbits, plenty even for 16k if it ever comes around. For live editing I guess you move what you need to a SSD and work from there.

>>92815987
More than half of my collection easily. Unless you are at the top of the top tier of trackers. Then one day it dies and all goes down the drain (ADC anyone?)

>>92820903
They are audible but BARELY. Unless I sit right next to the case it's nothing. I'm not that of an autistic schizo that lives in a padded silent room.

>>92823381
>waaaa why don't the majority of people make purchasing decisions based on my wants
You will own nothing and you will be happy. No thanks.

>>92823059
Bitrot is a meme. I checked hdds from time to time for corruption once a year at least and never found anything. I got bored and gave up a few years ago. Maybe I should check again.
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>>92823450
Self healing file systems have already solved your "universal" problem sweetie
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>>92823059
>bought a HDD 6 years ago just to store some family photos on it as a cold storage backup
>left it untouched all this time
>loaded it up about 2 months ago and all the photos were fine
--- 92823823
>>92814822 (OP)
sorry i need 16tb drives you fuckhead. SSD's aren't even close to 16tb at the price of HDD 16tb
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>>92820891
of course you'd have to mistype it. faggot kys!
--- 92823866
>>92823823
>price for 16TB SSD has not been revealed but estimates point to $1.5K
>price for a 16TB HDD is $350
Maximum kek. You could have 80TB for the same price as one 16TB SSD.
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>cheaper HDDs
Stable Diffusion bros, it's time to achieve every possible waifu ever.
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>>92815287
>>92815620
>>92818586
Why obsess over PC being soundless when there's birds, dogs, rain, traffic, kids, insane people on the street, they generate more noise than any fan.
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>>92823876
For me, it's lawnmowers
BRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrRRRrr
--- 92823899
What, do people store their anime/movies on SSDs. What about the million of content creators on youtube? They don't buy HDDs?
--- 92823932
>>92816068
Why the fuck would that make sense? Nobody needs data rates that high for video. 200mbps is already overkill. A high quality movie rip is only 10gb. You can transfer that in 50 seconds. A movie is 432,000 seconds.
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>>92820903
I built a new PC and the only audible part is the HDD.
>>92823899
They burn them to DVD's like AVGN.
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>>92820220
Guarantee something is more likely to survive in an S3 bucket than any NAS set up you could ever hope to put together.
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>>92823961
even using blurays suck because burning them takes forever
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>>92820220
I always store my backups cold to avoid any electrical problems that might fuck it up
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>>92823899
Yes, anyone storing lots of large files has a NAS full of HDDs
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>>92824011
While giving someone all my files and having absolutely no recourse if they decide to screw me sounds like a treat, I think I'll take my chances with local storage.
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>>92824030
What are those cases? I've just been keeping mine in bags kek.
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>>92824054
I’m building a new PC and was thinking of picking up a high capacity HDD from WD—Red, Gold, or Black. With the whole SMR vs CMR thing, what are other issues with 10+ TB HDDs?
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>>92824144
Whoops responded to you by accident >>92824054
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>>92820778
>HDD in cold storage will be fine for decades
tell that to all the old HDDs my dad carefully packed away from the DOS-Win95 era and never touched, and then subsequently started screeching and/or clicking when he plugged them in to see what was inside. LOL
HDDs are alright for storing backups and videos but not much else.
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>>92814893
>You will own 128GB of ssd storage
You'll be subscribed to 128GB of cloud storage and you will be happy.
--- 92824202
>>92824054
You can dump an encrypted replica on cloud platforms for off-site. I run my own NAS and don't give a shit, but I wouldn't disparage blob storage providers online, they are, after all, probably the ones you're grabbing all your shit from in the first place.
--- 92824298
They won't stop making HDD
--- 92824307
>>92824136
yeah, I also use this, makes it fun to backup stuff
--- 92824324
>>92814822 (OP)
I just got this error, what does it mean?
How many months till my HDD dies?
--- 92824366
>>92814822 (OP)
do ssd niggers not store anything of significant size locally? do all these consoomer retards just rely solely on streaming shit?
--- 92824372
Just use SD cards. They're small, easy to store, don't make any noise and they're dirt cheap.
--- 92824376
Why is a HDD, heavy metal thing with metal discs and a reader more and a bunch of chips cheaper than something like an M.2 SSD, which is just a small pcb board with chips anyway?
--- 92824383
>>92815288
2tb assuming you use it strictly for storage is like 15-20 movies tops
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>>92824366
You'd be amazed at how many zoomers would rather burn battery on their phone steaming since they are too stupid to figure out mp3s.
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>>92824383
Why would you download every movie as remux
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>>92816436
You decide when/how data is critical Mr mental illness. An ancient version of BI is not critical and won't become critical to you just because your org is retarded and awards you good boy points for hoarding.
--- 92824421
>>92815636
>At least 2 backup copies plus RAID
why not just have one backup off-site?
--- 92824423
>>92814822 (OP)
good. means prices will drop at least until economy of scale kicks in full force. i love cheap bulk storage for my home server
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>>92824396
it's not every movie. just the ones that I like. are you saying you don't like more than 20 movies? or are you not old enough to actually have watched that many?
--- 92824435
>>92823788
>More than half of my collection easily.
I really doubt that.
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>>92824435
there's a lot of shit that isn't easily available via torrents anymore unless you're a member of every private tracking group.
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>>92814893
Now way I'll own 1 ssd nvme worth 50$ as my primary window OS and second ssd nvme worth 180$ with 300x more speed, both have 1TB storage.
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>>92824472
>there's a lot of shit
Why don't you name it then? All we've got up until now was ancient versions of BI and autism level of mediocre weeb content.
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>>92815288
Assuming speed reading/writing its actually 180$
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>>92824499
Assuming you're not autistic, it's leagues faster than any HDD
--- 92824547
>>92820194
>Upload pirated content to iCloud
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>>92821197
>NOOOO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MY AUTISM OR YOU'RE JUST SHITPOSTING
--- 92824556
>>92824495
>mediocre weeb content.
not that guy but I collect a lot of older anime 80's and 90's stuff and that's really just your opinion. what's available now likely won't be available in 10 years and that's not counting if something bad happens to the internet. if ssd's reach 15/tb I'd switch but right now there's just no replacing hdd's for me.
--- 92824563
>>92824187
I will make infinite mediafire accounts and have infinite storage and be happy
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>>92824403
>You decide when/how data is critical
>An ancient version of BI is not critical
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>>92824582
Yes, it's not critical to you autismo. It *maybe* was to his retarded org who didn't bother classifying it as such.

I swear you guys never had a job and just look for excuses to satisfy your hoarding disorder.
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>>92824622
And I swear you wageslaves can't go a single thread without talking about being employed.
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>>92824298
of course not. servers rely on them. what will die are small capacity HDDs though (<8TB). at least until xpoint becomes cheap enough or some other tech makes nand obsolete
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>>92814924
>>92814966
>>92814974
>>92815032
>>92815194
>>92815203
>>92815349
>>92815390
>>92815616
>>92815759
>>92815832
>>92820351
>>92821573
>>92823469
How fucking stupid are you people? Obvious bait post. Oh I forgot im on /g/ aren't I...
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>>92820625
you can use those terabytes of data for indexing, caching, and webcrawling
this way I'm independent on google
--- 92824692
Nice. When can I get a nice 8TB raid array for a couple hundred bucks.
--- 92824708
>>92824556
I really doubt you have time to re-watch dozens of mediocre anime from the 80s *multiple* times. And I'm not above watching mediocre anime either. I watch stuff once and only backup stuff I really like, like I did with space dandy or slayers.

Also, content from the 80s is most likely 360p, which means <100mb per file, even on h264. Which translates to ~1000episodes/100gb. So even if you literally hoarded all of them, it's not that much data.
--- 92824779
>>92824708
>I really doubt you have time to re-watch dozens of mediocre anime from the 80s
I unironically do if I wanted to. also it's not about it's not rewatching them all it's SAVING a copy of it.
>Also, content from the 80s is most likely 360p, which means <100mb per file, even on h264. Which translates to ~1000episodes/100gb. So even if you literally hoarded all of them, it's not that much data.
the "classic" anime collection over at /t/ is easily 4tb and it's not even complete.
there is literally no downside for anyone in hording older movies or media. if the internet ever goes down or gets removed due to censorship or other factors the only ones getting screwed are not only the complacent consoomers who put their faith entirely to streaming and the government but future generations as well
--- 92824818
>>92815291
ssd prices are inflated imo
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>>92815883
people who don't stream and exclusively pirate media can fill that up in a month if they wanted to
--- 92824920
>>92824652
>Oh I forgot im on /g/ aren't I...
It's really just advertisers and normie retards, who post from their phone and don't know what a file is.
Reddit is much better to discuss technology.
--- 92825962
Anyone have thoughts on SSD reliability? I use both HDDs and ssds in my systems. I have only ever had 1 hard drive fail and that was an external I knocked over a lot of of my HDDs are 10 years old and still working. I have had multiple ssds fail and I've only been using those in like the last 5 year or so. Alot of the ones I buy are no name chink brands though
--- 92826026
>>92825962
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ssd-drive-stats-mid-2022-review/

tl;dr: SSD's seem a bit more reliable than HDD's but failures are still fairly common.
You still have to make backups and perhaps even add redundancy.
--- 92826111
>>92815249
>Find me a nvme/sata ssd for $10-$15 per TB
Find me a good HDD for that price that isn't fucking ground to dust.
--- 92826132
PLC ssd soon kill HDD
--- 92826242
>>92815162
You can set up an SSD as a cache in LVM, then your frequently used files will be on the SSD.
--- 92826346
>>92824307
how to buy a box like this?
--- 92826349
>tfw good new HDDs are 25$ / TB where I live
--- 92826406
I fell for the Raid 5 meme. Feels like a lot could go wrong if you want to plug in the old drives into new system. Whereas with Raid 0 you just plug one drive and it'll read it without any effort.
--- 92826518
>>92824173
The most likely issue was improper storage, temperature and humidity can be a huge factor for long term storage of anything. Second, based on that timeframe, were they HGST drives? They were making some of the most notoriously bad HDDs ever made and just happened to be in mass production around the time of DOS to Windows 95.
--- 92826615
>>92815162
Larger hard drives are a terrible idea for cold storage, eventually all the helium will fully leak out. Good luck retrieving your files as the head overheats.
--- 92826867
>>92816045
>small movies that is coming from south east asia
ok pedo
--- 92827390
>>92826518
>based on that timeframe, were they HGST drives
no, they were mostly WD. some 40 megabyte, 120 megabyte shit, along with a few 5 gigabytes and 20 gigabytes.
--- 92827979
>>92820240
While I agree that most name brand reputable ssds aren't going to die in few years they are not invincible and require constant power. You can shelve a mech drive for years and it won't corrupt data. I still have old drives with such data from the 90s. SSD will not ever meet that anytime soon. I'm not sure where you base the modern hdd mechs dying in a couple years. Seagate or wd perhaps on the newer smr high tb perhaps. The helium sas or sata drives are rock solid. Mech drives have a long recorded history of being abused and running for hundreds of thousands of hours. There are no such data points on SSD.
--- 92828004
>>92820489
Uhh mechanicals striped can pretty much nearly saturate the bus while offering more storage and lower cost especially if there is a failure.
--- 92828052
>>92820625
You know you can hoard video content while self hosting everything at home. I do that on top of live ota tv and my own surveillance with blueiris. I don't need Google or Ms I can sync calendars files pics all to my house where I control the data not them. Best part is you run a vps server as well and keep your privacy mostly intact and under your control. This is almost necessary if you have kids and family to lessen the bs.
--- 92828436
>>92815267
I could build a whole ass gaming PC with that much money.
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>>92814966
>>but muh reliability
>Two drives in RAID
so, price x8
lol
--- 92828939
>>92828447
I've had two 1tb drives striped via disk management in windows since vista. I've moved them whenever my sis would upgrade her tower to whatever was on sale with win7 win7 win10 and now win11. It always works they refuse to give up the ghost.
--- 92828966
>>92816174
t. poorfag
--- 92829092
>>92828966
Not everyone lives at home with parentals.
--- 92830169
>>92827979
>I'm not sure where you base the modern hdd mechs dying in a couple years
NTA but it's mostly 2.5in drives. Most of them are bad and is most of the HDDs regular consumers are going to be using because of laptops and external drives.
Of course, most enterprise drives are going to be ok just being 3.5in and not being jostled for most of their lives.
>Mech drives have a long recorded history of being abused and running for hundreds of thousands of hours
Doesn't mean every single model is good, far from it.
--- 92830206
>>92820608
>Unless you have a very strong focus on videos, you can fit hundreds of thousands of 'personal files' on it.
It's natural to want a lot of pirated media.
--- 92830268
It's over. HDDs are only tolerated for their price/TB. Can't wait for the day my NAS can sit on my desk and be fully silent and be the smaller than my speakers and hold over 100TB for peanuts it's only a few years away.
--- 92830288
I must be living on a different planet as you guys because a 2tb 7200rpm drive is 52€ over here
--- 92830329
>>92830288
Bigger capacities have better €/TB
--- 92830348
>>92830268
It's not over yet according you your picture. You lied.
--- 92830350
>>92814893
they don’t make them that small anymore
--- 92830355
>>92830268
>want to buy more large ssds
>don't really need the storage now but would be nice
>every time I check the prices plummet again
it's a good kind of suffering
--- 92830362
>>92830329
Oh I feel stupid now, they're talking about price per GB on bigger drives not the actual drive
--- 92830368
While SSD's are great for day to day use, if you care about your data, you back it up to spinning rust.
>>92814893
>>92814924
The zoomer zeitgeist can be summed up as:
>OLD THING BAD
>NON-COPORATE-SHILLED THING BAD
>IF I AINT SEEN IT ON THE TICKTOCKERINO IT'S HECKIN PROBLEMATIC
For the few zoomers who actually know what an SSD or HDD is, who know what a file is, who aren't completely controlled by cloudcorp, that means only SSD's for the, preferably NVMe.
--- 92830632
>>92827979
>While I agree that most name brand reputable ssds aren't going to die in few years they are not invincible and require constant power.
Wrong, SSD media only needs a jolt ever few years like HDDs (to make sure the motor doesn't seize)
--- 92830665
>>92828004
Wrong, HDDs are vastly inferior to SSD media in I/O throughput and access speed. Striping does jack in the equation and adds more points of failure/data loss. The only thing that HDDs are going for them is being more cost effective at dense data storage for data doesn't need super-fast access or tons of I/O throughput.
--- 92830693
>>92830268
By 2026 we will be on eDollars and eEuros.
--- 92830708
I think this is the thread to ask, what's the impact of torrenting 24/7 on hdd and ssd?
--- 92830721
>>92830708
>hdd
wear motor/heads
>ssd
wear writes, but reads are free
--- 92830814
>1TB SSD for OS
>4TB HDD for primary storage
>1TB SSD for games
>2TB HDD for a scratch drive
>4x8TB (raid 1) external HDD for 16TB NAS
i like having both.
--- 92830819
>>92830721
>reads are free
So SSD is the go to for seeding?
--- 92830883
>>92830819
pretty much.
--- 92830940
>>92830721
Voice coil motors are unbelievably reliable. And even though SSD's are advertised with bytes written, nothing is 'free' on them. The controller is ALWAYS shuffling data around for wear distribution, which are technically writes.

Not to mention, when the ssd controller dies the entire drive is unrecoverable. Also, there is no actual 'read-only' mode on them in the traditional state. Most ssd's will just die and you will lose and your data, and the ones that would even try to be read-only, as soon as you power cycle them (IE: reboot), the data is gone forever.
--- 92830958
>>92830721
>>92830708
The biggest wear on a HDD is the start up from idle. If you have active use 24/7 then it's most likely going to last longer than when you'd replace it anyway. I have 500GB drives from 2007.
--- 92831129
>>92823846
better keep that futa lolicon porn safe for future generations, bro!
--- 92831139
>>92824324
>HDD

Mother fucker the R3SL240G is an old TLC SSD from fucking 2016.
--- 92831145
>>92824652
>>92824920
please give money to jewegg
--- 92831311
>>92824366
No? None of my hobbies involve large files
I don't hoard videos since I don't watch much of anything, I do listen to music from local files but it's not like I need terabytes of space and I don't keep stuff I don't intend to listen to regularly
I still have a 1tb hdd for general storage, but any new drive I've bought for the past few years has been an ssd between 500gb and 1tb
If I built a new pc with new drives I'd just get a single 2tb nvme and call it a day
--- 92831549
>>92814822 (OP)
Don't let the jews deceive you, HDD are based and the best option for long term storage.
Download everything, archive everything, pirate everything and save on HDDs. And never, and I mean NEVER give money to jews.