----- --- 26532399 >the market is willing to pay more than MSRP >wahhh that's not the actual market value >muh stealerships Ron Paul would disapprove --- 26532410 >>26532399 (OP) >implying “market adjustment” isn’t collusion between dealers to artificially inflate prices or/and recoup COVID losses --- 26532423 >>26532410 if there weren't enough boomers willing to pay 128k, then they would cut the adjustment --- 26532431 based and free market pilled --- 26532438 >>26532423 You convince people everyone else is doing the same, they will pay. Manipulating the consumer is a key part of sales, or did the free market not teach you that. --- 26532472 >>26532438 the economics still don't add up. if more consumers were willing to pay 110k then dealers would be incentivized to sell at 110k. this isn't luxury real estate, its a commodity with a liquid market --- 26532478 >>26532472 >its a commodity lets trade car futures by the pound. or do we do horsepower? hmm... --- 26532520 There's gonna be some pretty sweet deals on Mach 1s, Corvette zwhatevers, and hellcats/demons in like 10 years when these boomers die and they're clueless dogmom kids are getting rid of these garage queens for literally whatever you offer them --- 26532589 >>26532472 >commodity with liquid market Doesn’t prevent people from engaging in speculative buying/selling practices. Many markups are purely speculative and are propped up by idiots and price fixing exclusively. Additionally, when a car is being sold for 2 times the median income (non household), it’s a luxury good. --- 26532602 >>26532438 >Jewish tactics is a free market lol lmao even. --- 26532622 >>26532602 That’s the point of the post retard --- 26532649 >>26532520 Whay makes you think they wont know what they got? The last ICE cars in an increasing sea of EVs. --- 26532665 >>26532520 >just wait 10 more years the crash is coming --- 26532734 >>26532589 You are correct, the price is propped up by idiots that are willing to pay it. The market price of tulips was $100k in 1636. OP is mocking the poorfags who say its not the """true""" market value --- 26532784 >>26532734 I would argue speculative pricing does not reflect actual market value in any capacity. Value that isn’t tied in any regard to function or the people who buy these things to utilize them isn’t an actual reflection of market influences. Rampant speculative buying and selling results in a skewed value detached from what the general population would pay. --- 26532798 >>26532784 retardbro, it's not speculative if people are paying --- 26534288 >>26532399 (OP) I hate markups but people forget that if the dealer doesn't charge it then scalpers will. Might as well let the dealer make the money since they actually have a business of people they pay. We need to pressure the manufacturors to make more of the cars we want and pressure governments to let them. --- 26534375 >>26534288 Literal stockholm syndrome. Just push for the government to let the manufacturers sell direct with no middleman dumbass. --- 26534868 >>26532798 dummy --- 26535031 >>26534375 That doesnt solve the scalper issue dumbass. Enjoy paying markup to whatever dude managed to get his allocation before you. --- 26535034 >>26534288 >then scalpers will Nothing is different dude, this isn't like "hey its this or that" --- 26535038 >>26535034 This sentence makes zero sense. What point are you trying to make? --- 26535043 >>26535031 The scalper shit is entirely temporary. The point of eliminating dealers is to eliminate the middle man when it comes to new car sales and distribution. Dealers have consistently been this cancerous intermediate that has ultimately done nothing. At first the dealers enabled brands to sell and distribute but 100 years later dealers are purely vestigial and a small company like Mazda has more than enough money to do ready distribution of cars. This isn't a logistical problem like it was 100 years ago. --- 26535063 >>26535043 Scalper shit isn't temporary if demand forever outstrips supply and people are willing to pay more for a car than msrp. Dealers provide a semi-centralized service network and parts warehousing. As well as a means to provide a more uniform level of service via manufacturor provided training. --- 26535064 >>26532478 AAAAAAA I HAVE TO TAKE DELIVERY OF PHYSICAL CAR FUTURES --- 26535142 >>26532602 Ethics get in the way of business, stupid gentile. --- 26535805 >>26535063 There is not a single reason the manufacturers cannot handle every single transaction directly to a consumer, except 100 years of dealers lobbying federal and state government to ensure that they are not able to. --- 26535878 >>26535805 Manufacturors could out lobby the dealers if they wanted to. They benefit from the dealer network as well and have let it stand by choice. Hence why now that the manufacturors think they could do better without the dealers they all are making plays to be able to bypass them. I'm going to laugh when all of you slurping off manufacturors find out they will do the same shit as bad dealers if they do all direct order. You won't even have the choice of going to a different dealer. --- 26536221 >>26535878 >manufacturors You misspelled this all 3x you included the word. Of course you'd do nothing but laugh in that scenario, because you lack the common sense to go to another manufactuor in your unlikely hypothetical. --- 26536688 >>26532798 That’s all that props up speculative markets. People pay in either case, but in the speculative situation people pay entirely based on what it could be potentially sold for, not on real market forces. That’s why speculative markets enter into violent boom/bust cycles that only enriches a small few. In a nutshell, if people were actually paying a market value, the prices wouldn’t simply collapse without large outside stimulus --- 26537472 >>26532399 (OP) Only retards pay higher than the invoice Cost --- 26537475 >>26535031 Just pull a Ferrari and forbid the customer from selling the car for at least 3 years --- 26538135 >>26536221 My bad. I forgot /o/ prefers cuckovers that don't change between manufactuor. Silly me thinking people might have individual cars they like and want to drive on this board. Retard. --- 26538143 >>26537475 That works for low volume, but high volume manufactuors don't want that. Was it GM that was thinking of removing extra warranties if you flipped it too fast? That could work to a degree. Pretty sure they only did it on their low volume models though. --- 26538155 >call dealership to buy minvan >"yeah but market adjustment value you have to ad-" >Hang up and call next dealership >Drive an extra 20 minutes and find one willing to negotiate over the phone before I get there >Out the door below MSRP Just don't go to that dealership. I can 100% guarantee you that there is not market demand for a boomer car like a corvette that there is any need for a 38k adjustment. --- 26538186 >>26534288 >The dealership isn't scalping you on lobbied wholesale orders --- 26538199 >>26532423 No, collusion between dealerships is a huge problem especially in places that have poor consumer protection or high dealer protection --- 26538231 >>26538186 >quoting things that weren't said makes me smart You go anon, you really showed me. --- 26538270 >>26532399 (OP) Let's just make our own sports car then. Aside from coming up with startup capital, we have to deal with NHTSA, EPA, various state DOT issues, then we still can't sell the damn things in most states due to cronyist dealer protection laws. >Muh free market Never seen anything close to one in my lifetime when it comes to cars. --- 26538352 >>26534288 Scalpers have to actually fairly get their order placed first. Dealers have a monopoly on factory stock, so it's even less fair than private seller scalping. Every Dodge Demon 170 I inquired about was just claimed by the dealership owner as a personal vehicle when they got the allotment: at least half of the final Dodge Challenger trim's production volune is basically a gift to dealers to sell at barret Jackson that won't even see the retail market on launch --- 26539473 >>26534288 >>26535031 >>26535063 >>26535878 >>26538135 >>26538143 >>26538231 How can one person be this determined to prove how dumb they are --- 26539799 >>26532399 (OP) Many dealerships are getting ass raped by lenders and interest rates right now. This old inventory sitting on their lots is burring a hole in their books. Even worse some will get margin called if they're inventory drops in value. --- 26539823 >>26535063 >Scalper shit isn't temporary >if demand forever outstrips supply and people are willing to pay more for a car than msrp. >this is the new normal and things will continue like this forever Famous last words of every investor before every bubble pop. People said rents would never go down and guess what, the average rent is going down nationwide. This isn't my fist rodeo. Lots of people are locked into low interest rate car loans and will forgo buying new cars. I would bet that we are going to see a new car inventory glut soon and a tightening of the used car market. --- 26539918 >>26538352 I'm glad in an arguement about cutting out the middle man you are here to justify having two middle men. Astounding. >>26539823 The cars every enthuasiest wants will forever have scalpers. Especially in this era with government regulation making fun cars harder to make. I don't much care about whether cuckover #4,327,589 is marked up or not. >>26539473 Everyone here that thinks removing dealers will somehow make the car buying process magically simple and consumer friendly is huffing copium. Dealers aren't what is causing the issues in the supply chain. Dealers charging above MSRP in a fucked market situation shouldn't be seen as LE EVIL DEALERS, because if they don't charge above msrp some jewish scalper will buy it and take the money for himself. I'm tired of the (You)'s now. Everyone who gives me a (You) past this post is a massive homosexual that enjoys fellating OP in the dirtiest bathrooms of New York. --- 26541126 >>26539918 >Everyone here that thinks removing dealers will somehow make the car buying process magically simple It would make it more simple than it is now. That's all that was ever discussed. You can stop crying now, jew. --- 26541141 >>26539918 >he hasn’t experienced the 100% trouble free experience of buying a Tesla … I’m sorry bro I am a very successful car salesman and it’s gonna go away, dealers are ass. --- 26541150 >>26532423 the sales volume isn't high enough to see proper price correction --- 26541534 >>26539799 This, people don't look at what the dealers are dealing with, there's less cars to go around, but they've still gotta pay to run a dealership and pay everybody. --- 26541822 >>26541126 >>26541141 Why do you enjoy giving OP sloppy blowjobs? --- 26541846 >>26532399 (OP) The 6.2 is a great engine. You can buy it in a 1/2 ton pickup too. --- 26541856 >>26541534 Have you ever worked at a dealership? --- 26541868 they want 10K for a 2014 Ford Focus with 90K miles there is no way I am not going to keep dumping a few grand in my shitbox 2005 Camry V6 until the heat death of the universe --- 26541895 >>26532399 (OP) That's not too bad of a markup in this market (in terms of percentage), the commodity car market is absolutely atrocious right now. Fuck dealers. --- 26541899 >>26541895 Stealership salesmen are NOT your friends.