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--- 634319302
Why is getting good at pixel art fucking impossible?
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>>634319302 (OP)
>falling for the loomis meme
/ic/keks actually fucking think that Michelangelo sculpted cartoony old man heads 1000000000000000000 times before he became a great artist
--- 634320469
Pixel art was born out of limitations You will always be better at making the most of the box you're trapped in vs. trying to fit into that box having never been in it before. Or something. I don't know.

Basically a lot of retards are attracted to an "8bit aesthetic" without understanding it, and they perpetuate the idea that all you need is squares everywhere and just fuck around with a few different colors. No. It's art like anything else, it needs consistency and composition and shading and perspective. If you're struggling with pixel art, you're struggling with art in general.
--- 634320606
Pixel art is just drawing but small
--- 634320680
Also, if I may get this vidya related, think about scaling projects in Minecraft. Megasculptures or whatever you want to call them are very easy to conceptualize and make good because they have a lot of rounded curves despite being made entirely of squares. It's like pixel art but you use a 2000x2000 grid instead of a 125x125 grid that forces you to carefully pick what goes where to create a recognizable shape both up close and from a distance (thumbnail view).
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>>634320606
This 
Just make a regular drawing and resize it
ezpzjpnz
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>>634319302 (OP)
shading is like 70% of pixel art
--- 634324014
You have no goals
You're easily discouraged
You have no plan
You have no experience
You don't find time to do any if this

pick all
--- 634325182
What's the best way to learn Blender?
I know how the basic gist of it (I can look around, I can use some of the modeling tools, texturing is alright. That said, I can't sculpt for the life of me, and I can only make extremely basic shapes)
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>>634320465
I truly don't get the loomis meme. Artfags genuinely tell people they cannot do art unless they study some fags from the 20th century. Daespite art going back to pre-Human times. Fuck sub-human species did art. Why is this faggot the God of art? The most famous artist of all time was born 500 years before this fag
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>>634319302 (OP)
Just train an AI to do it for you bro.
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>>634319302 (OP)
>realistic drawings of humans and scenery
I sleep
>Surreal impressionist shit and weird colored stick figures
REAL SHIT
--- 634326030
Anyone know of any good brushed I could download for making pixel art?
Procreate doesn't come with a standard pixelbrush and everything is aliased. I wanted to try and kinda emulate the artstyle of Rain World when I start rendering my drawing
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>>634325986
I want copyright protection
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>want to do art
>realize I have dysgraphia
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>>634326087
Just say "uhhhhh actually my art looks like AI but is not AI you are just a schizo"
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>Tell people to do something for fun
>don't get it
Only on /v/
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>>634325986
>Just watch a tas on youtube. It's way better than playing the game
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>>634319302 (OP)
How long it would take me to be able to do pic related anons...
--- 634326464
How the FUCK do you draw from imagination??
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>>634326464
Envision an apple in your head
Now, try to draw it
Simple as
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>>634326192
how the fuck did you not realise by writing already
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>>634326591
I mean I did. I mean I want to do art then remember I have that. I often forget about it because I simply never write. Ever. I type.
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>>634319302 (OP)
Takes a long time
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>>634325182
Use reference images and your ability to 3D model improves several fold.
Same thing happens with 2D art actually.
This is unironically the secret thing artists that don't want you competing with them tell you knowing full well you'll burn out grinding fundamentals
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>>634326458
Shit example, it should be "just do a TAS, It's way better than playing this shovelware"
--- 634326938
I really fucking like the tamagotchi art style.
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>>634326464
Practice anon. Draw with references and examples, study anatomy and drawing guides. If you do this and draw often enough, then eventually you'll remember enough of what you've learned that you can rely just on memory to draw what you want. However even when you get to the point that you can draw from imagination, it's a good idea to look for references to easier spot any mistakes you might make
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>>634325986
ai cant really get your vision right, it can only get some semblance or amalgamation. id rather make something that isnt just an approximation of my vision, but the vision itself. plus its only good for mimicking very popular, consistent styles. what if you dont want the generic run-of-the-mill style? good luck training that.
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>>634326464
acquire information
remember information
apply information without referring to the information source
drawing from imagination is overblown when it's basically just using muscle memory and remembering stuff. you still need to practice doing it however since some people apparently rely too much on references that they lock up when they dont have one but it's basically
>just draw
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>>634326462
depends on your effort. dont worry about "how long" or the end goal. just keep drawing and improvement will come. focusing on the ends will make you hate yourself.
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>>634326464
its called building a visual library. draw things from reference, even other people's art. youll turn that knowledge into your own visual library to draw from (no pun intended)
--- 634327343
Professional pixel artist here, been doing it for 10 years.
By far the easiest and quickest way to improve is HEAVILY referencing art you like. Create pokemon whole looking at Pokemon sprites, try to add new props and people to topdown Zelda games. Steal their colors outright and then make similar palettes. You can make pretty damn good stuff even if it's your first time just "copying" someone else's artstyle
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>>634326464
>Draw person standing with arms up with reference
>Draw person standing with arms up with no reference
>Do it a lot
>Draw person sitting but now you don't need the reference to put the arms up.

Repeat until you can draw hentai girls.
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>>634327007
Just use ControlNet with your shitty ms paint drawing you clown, lmao.
--- 634327514
>tfw too stupid to understand shading and colour
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>>634325182
IMO, have a clear goal in mind and bruteforce a way to it, the thing with blender/3d modeling is that it isn't particularly hard if you have the right resources like YT and google, it just takes a lot of time to polish the stuff you want to do

Other thing that i like about making 3d over 2d is that unlike drawing, you can actually tell if something looks good enough since you can look at it at different angles

t. made an original vtuber model without ever touching blender before and managed to finish it in 3 weeks
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>>634327514
Sounds like someone I know, he makes interesting sketches but has said before that he usually gets really upset when he sees how bad he colored it and throws it out.
--- 634327772
Where is what you do:
>Drawn normally
>Use a pixelation filter
It is what Dead Cells and many major indie games do now. They don't make Pixel art from scratch, just normal images they convert into many layers and import it into Unit to apply more filters to them
--- 634327780
how should i go about improving 3d e.g. blender? and good guides specifically for things like people and creature design? ill worry about prop designs later since it doesnt seem as difficult.
ive been doing 2d art awhile and im ok at it so there should be carry over skills for things like anatomy, or if i want to draw on textures. im aiming for something low/mid poly like this. i dont like sculpting (the "clay" type) i prefer just using vertices, edges, etc.
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>>634320465
Here's the real blackpill on art: you are either born talented or you aren't, there are kids in high school who are better artists than people who have been practicing for decades, it all comes down to inherent talent, that makes up like 90% of what makes a good artist.
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>>634327504
never heard of it, post examples.
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>>634325986
I don't understand AI enthusiasts, every time I see their arguments, it just feels like to me that they're barely sentient or capable of basic visual pattern processing mentally, as if they only see images as a checklist of features and colors. It's almost like they're the same type of people who end up getting hooked on slot machines or shiny gacha games, or even just watching tiktoks for hours at a time but not being able to remember any of them. The moment a tiny glint of dopamine gets released into their system, it's all over for them.
--- 634327925
Can someone explain why this look seems to be what every first time pixel artist gravitates to?
--- 634327957
>>634326462
A month, maybe less if you actually study 8 hours a day.
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>>634327925
Because that's what you draw when you have no fucking idea what pixel art actually means
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>>634327925
it's easy
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>>634327772
Well anon if you want to get into it, almost the entire creative discipline of pixel art is fake, old developers were simply drawing what they have the space to draw in their limited available resources.
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>>634325986
Took 10 posts until someone mentions AI, i'm disappointed
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>>634327870
I don't spoonfed gay baby retards, if you care then search yourself.
>>634327874
tldr probably a seething artfag
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>>634327925
They're boomers that played the early ass graphical text adventures.
It's also an easy to work with style.
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>>634327874
>barely capable of basic visual pattern processing mentally, as if they only see images as a checklist of features and colors
hits the nail on the head. they dont really care about art, just
>haha big booby anime girl #452422 mass produced for my easy consumption
>ok, on to the next one!
--- 634328204
Pixel art is just digital cross stitching.
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>>634327840
this is not true
there are some people who have an easier time learning certain things than others, but practically anyone can be a great artist if they just train long enough. Only exceptions to this are people who draw absolutely terrible and refuse to take critique because they think they are good.
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>>634328084
>what is burden of proof
ok i take it this "controlnet" sucks ass and is only capable of making things look generic then.
--- 634328242
>>634320465
Michelangelo wasn't a good artist. I'm better than him for example.
--- 634328263
>>634319302 (OP)
try out sprite edits, observe and copy how games do outlines and shading, read pixel-logic and call me in the morning
--- 634328289
>>634325906
Loomis isn't inherently bad. The issue is that absolute beginners who can barely draw a straight line and just want to their waifu go to /ic/ and get shilled Loomis. The end result is they either get filtered, or they get burned out by grinding fundies.

Loomis is something that artists should look into after they have a good amount of intermediate experience under their belt. The human form is quite complex after all.
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>>634327925
I drew this the other day as a test in Asesprite
it has no shading or aliasing 
it was really easy and was just an interpretation of what I already knew
not every pixel art is made in the same program, not every artist knows how to use the program they're using, not every artist knows what they're even doing beyond having a workflow nailed, not every artist is working on something that allows them to be amazing
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>>634328231
Ignorance is bliss.
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>>634326892
The point of references is just to get the look of an object right. It should not be 100% what you use for your construction. I know a pal who heavily relies on references and when asked to help out another pals drawing, his hand was completely off. It is night and day when you see a hand constructed from reference to a hand constructed from the ground up.
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>>634328084
Lmao I love how AIjeets are too afraid to read something that describes them perfectly because he knows he will be BTFO. 
>>634328379
>"tldr not reading all that because im afraid"
Yup, ignorance sure is bliss. The irony is lost on you.
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>>634326464
Keep drawing and eventually you'll just be able to do stuff from memory. Seriously, it's that simple.
--- 634328573
>>634327514
literally me a year ago
I basically just started copying the coloring of artists I like with some references up and now I just do it myself
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>>634327514
same. colors are a pain, everything I color looks like shit because I don't know what colors I should be using. I watched a million videos on color theory but everything just goes to shit immediately when I start shading.
--- 634328653
>>634325182
>What's the best way to learn Blender?
make a game.
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>>634328494
Ok, Artschizo, your drawings are as good as stick figures, you will never improve.
--- 634328773
>>634328653
how do you make a game in blender?
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>>634328716
What makes you assume I even make art? I enjoy looking at real art but I've never tried my hand at it.
--- 634328815
>>634326938
they were working with HUGE limutations, these things were cheap for a reason.
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>>634327514
same. i just use gradient maps to make things look better now. still not great but better than without them, at least my art is
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>>634328790
draw you are waifu NOW before the thread gets deleted
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>>634328773
you don't, you use it the make the models for your game. Best way to get skilled is to actually work on something. 
No tutorial you follow will compare.
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>>634328790
The literal definition of a poser then, "I don't like vidya I just like to watch people play vidya" 

wew, get out of my face.
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>>634328994
No that's the literal definition of a zoomer
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>>634328994
Retard. I like art but I'm tired of the AI spew. It all looks generic and boring, and the only ones spamming it only do it out of spite, not because they think it looks good.
--- 634329126
>>634329063
This
>>634329074
Shut up zoomer.
--- 634329163
>>634328084
Can your Pajeetnet do normal hands yet?
Let me guess, it needs just two more weeks
--- 634329178
>>634329126
>you dont like ai spam??
>Z-ZOOMER!!!
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>>634327514
>never have a problem with color shading
>except for people, and then I immediately monumentally fuck it up
--- 634329234
>>634326464
Drawing from imagination is a meme. I've started supporting hentai artists on Fanbox and found out they've all been using DesignDoll...
>mfw
--- 634329257
>>634327874
There's a reason why most AIshills are failed cryptofags
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>>634326215
Another problem is people wanting to draw a finished product instead of starting with a rough draft.

1. Think about what you want to draw
2. Look at examples or models
3. Block out your idea with shapes in a small sketch thumbnail
4. Draw the rough shapes
5. Erase away some of the lines
6. Draw the rough shapes
7. Erase away some of the lines
8. Go over it with your final lines
9. Finished or ink it
10. Finished or color it
11. Profit
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>>634329163
Yes, it can do fingers, go look for examples if you care.
>>634329178
>get called zoomer
>start zooming
zoom zoom
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>>634329392
>fails burden of proof yet again
--- 634329581
just fucking post whatever youve made at this point. hopefully botfag and the rogue janny wont have a melty this time
--- 634329583
>>634319302 (OP)
Actually asking any pixel drawers ITT: how did you guys get started? I've only recently decided to get into pixel art but have literally 0 ideas on how to actually draw. What tutorials did you use? What applications do you use?
I've been using piscel and a few youtube videos but it'd be foolish not to ask people who've done this longer than I
--- 634329628
>>634329234
>DesignDoll
Why deal with that piece of shit when CSP has its own models?
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>>634326893
Doing a TAS actually requires time and dedication and thinking. It's nothing like pressing a button and shitting garbage out just to consume.
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>>634328289
I'm sure Michaelangelo studied him.
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>>634329234
Everyone cheats.
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>>634327780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCX54Nffuys&list=PLL3OEv6vd5VBr3b5ZAFZcBlUKW50WNXee&index=2&ab_channel=Dikko [Embed]
--- 634329831
>>634329581
>thinks I'm going to post my god awful acrylic paintings from 2017
No.
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>>634326464
References are generally used if you're drawing something based off realism. It's not cheating. Professionals do this.
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>>634329581
>>>/ic/6610258
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>>634329703
Found the tranny
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>>634329581
all of my art output this year is work related
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>>634329074
>spamming it only do it out of spite
actually that would be you shitting the thread with your zooming.
--- 634330069
>Muh AI ART
Call me when congress passes the AI Copyright act.
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>>634329581
https://files.catbox.moe/maols6.png
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>>634329831
I hate acrylic so much. That shit dries too fast.
--- 634330160
>anon mentions AI once
>zoomers piss and shit themselves 
>thread derailed due to zoomer autism
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>>634329581
And two tutorials for my homies over at /v/hu
>>634326602 →
>>634328827 →
--- 634330181
>>634330112
I'd do oil but I don't want to suffocate myself with fumes. And watercolor is hell. Fuck watercolor. Fuck it to fucking hell and back.
--- 634330216
>>634330007
>n-no u
>talking about on-topic is... le zooming!
Least retarded AIfag.
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>>634330160
even your posts seem AI generated lmao
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>>634329581
>>>/ic/
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>>634329583
i legit have no clue where your kind comes from. Fucking youtube tutorials? i started on mspaint editing sprites and making characters, i wanted to do a game i never even started but i did sonething with a clear goal.
If you have a game you want to make just start there.
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>>634330268
i think you forgot to link which one specifically was yours. thats just the board itself
--- 634330351
>>634330278
>Fucking youtube tutorials?
Yes most people use tutorials to learn things. Not that guy but I'm not sure how that is a shock.
--- 634330373
>>634330313
yes go back to >>>/ic/
--- 634330384
How do I do this in Blender? Like, lay down lines and then fill the mesh in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrzPuMmKMUQ [Embed]
>inb4 fnaf
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>>634330263
ok zoomer
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>>634330160
more like
>anon mentions ai
>another anon replies earnestly to him
>aifag shows his true colors and starts getting defensive and antagonistic for no apparent reason
>"how could zoomers have done this wtf"
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>>634330434
Don't reply to non-human AI niggers. Save your breath, fellow human.
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>>634330373
hmm.. no thanks.
--- 634330578
>>634330434
Schizo post.
--- 634330639
>If you dislike AI then you are a zoomer
The fuck is this logic?
--- 634330640
>>634330525
See also pic related
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>>634330578
no because thats literally what happened. someone mentioned "just get ai to do it for you" and i replied to him seriously which was my first mistake, because then he started shitting himself.
--- 634330752
>>634330351
My point was that anon had 0 ideas and just watched tutorials, like the fuck?
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>>634330663
Really? because I don't see any AI images anywhere, is just post about you fighting a random anon.
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>>634330172
God bless you, my dude
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>>634330832
when did i mention images? im talking about discussion.
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>>634326462
>recolored mismagius
hard pass
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>>634330181
Uh, you don't suffocate with oil. Just don't put that stuff in your mouth or you're gonna have a bad time.
I used to put pencils in my mouth and one day had a violent diarrhea while at the gym one day. That was when my teachers told me that I was a dumb fucking shit and to not do that ever again. And so I didn't.
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>>634329581
Recently I've just been drawing ocs.
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>>634319302 (OP)
Pixel art is easy. As soon as you learn how to imply sub-pixel increments, you're unstoppable
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>>634319302 (OP)
A cliche answer, but it's literally just practice. I started using aseprite a few years ago and it's really helped me improve, but it's still a matter of experimenting and what not.
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>>634325986
AI's not quite there yet. It doesn't grasp the whole "pixel" part of it very well. It just makes blocky shapes.
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>>634331063
It has fumes which are harmful and take some days to go away. Generally you are advised to avoid that area until the paint dries. Inhaling the fumes can lead to various lung issues, especially over time.
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>>634329581
The last thing I drew was Veronica in DQVI's Bunny Suit. Working on a new drawing now, though.
Hopefully, the thread stays up this time because it's super motivating to see other people's stuff.
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>>634329581
This is the only thing I have saved on my phone
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>>634330880
I don't see any discussion either is just name calling on both sides.
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>>634329581
I've been drawing a cover for my book. It's pure "no thoughts head empty" torture and only after a week have I been able to make any headway.
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>>634331249
Yeah you should use a well ventilated space when painting for sure, NOT your room. And bringing all your stuff you your car can be stupid lol.

The biggest danger is the turpentine you have to use in your paintings, but like I told you, avoid putting it in your mouth and paint in a ventilated room (I paint in my sunroom, which has plenty of room and windows) and it causes you no harm.
But if you're still not sure yeah just stick to acrylic. But that shit is garbage
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>>634329581
Most of my art is furshit, you've been warned. Pic related is a shitpost I made for fun since I'm annoyed so many people prefer Hazel over Pecan. I don't get the appeal.

This was my last finished drawing, Pecan and Patty as wrestlers
https://static1.e621.net/data/22/83/22838273e29dc85c793a5b6ec3d5bb62.png

Here's the current progress on my Slugcat rain world animation. I increased the frames and got a bit stuck but worst part feels like it's over, now I just need to redraw the lantern mice and then it should be time for coloring and inking
https://files.catbox.moe/awkgca.mp4

Here's the beginning of a Yaya animation I want to make. I found some autist on FA who ships Yaya with Komodo Moe and I find that endearing
https://files.catbox.moe/ldj59b.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/1bzlj7.gif

Pecan sucking balls. Considering maybe working this into the other naizuri animation if I can be arsed
https://files.catbox.moe/o1kksn.png

Pecan on the bed. Drew this yesterday, not sure if I should try to render and finish it in time for my birthday in 3 days, or if I should make it into an animation which would take much longer.
https://files.catbox.moe/9zs7ih.png
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>>634332340
Oh yeah and here's a small sketch animation of Pecan humping Patty
https://files.catbox.moe/8y02ua.gif
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>>634327840
wait until you discover that this is true for all things
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>>634328242
That's hubris unless you're a sculptor. The amount of time and precision required to mold marble us insane, particularly when you're trying to render something like clothing or human flesh. You drawing anime tiddies on a pad doesn't compare.
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>>634330110
now show the front with her belly getting filled up by the slime
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>>634329581
ive not really had time to work on it but i fucked around a bit with the coloring and such
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>>634325182
look at a video and follow along.
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>>634325906
its not called the golden age of illustration for nothing, people like loomis, rockwell, leyendecker etc pretty much perfected illustration, representational drawing, a good combination of realism and simplification and design. so even artists today still study them for fundamentals, and then using that knowledge you can make illustrations into art, express what you want to express.
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>>634333596
Looks like Dobson art
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>>634325906
>I truly don't get the loomis meme
His books are public domain. Nobody ever thought he was the pinnacle of art but his books were decent and free.
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>>634329581
I saw some guy release dnf artbook stuff and it motivated me

sexy boobs but pose is kinda stiff
https://files.catbox.moe/tw4azi.jpg
poor painting over a sketch i did yesterday
https://files.catbox.moe/gvpbt7.jpg
tittdyjob idk if i would finish
https://files.catbox.moe/v2v763.jpg
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>>634334012
--- 634334802
Made this in Game Builder Garage for a texture, how did I do?
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>>634327840
Bullcrap, if you really want to do something you’ll learn how to do it regardless how much you struggle.
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>>634334529
BOOBA
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>>634334802
No idea what I'm looking at.
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>>634329581
--- 634335131
>>634334802
Wtf is that
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>>634320465
>>634327840
>>634325906
>people still getting filtered by loomis in [current year]
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>>634334802
so thats the app people keep using to put sprites in those games! 
and it looks good. some sorta of tire statue
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>>634335131
looks like some sort of aztec or feather indian dragon thing.
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>>634335039
Game Builder Garage is a game "engine", it allows you to make small games with limited tools, this is the texture tool, you can apply it to primitive shapes and then animate them.
--- 634335306
>>634335039
>>634335131
sta but I think is an Aztec snake.
--- 634335325
because you ain't fuckin working on it
1hr daily
put in the work and the skill will come
no different than any other trade
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>>634335131
It's an interpretation of the Olmec sun.
>>634335169
Yes, the game itself has the toolset.
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>>634334075
at this point ive been compared to shadman & legoman but that is another level. 

its the face right? i do want to know if there is anything specific you think is fucked up.
--- 634335598
Pixel art is fun sometimes
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>>634335598
Sweet shading
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>>634329581
A skeleton guard I made years ago
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>>634335563
 looks cute. maybe soften the chin abit. needs the hat
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>>634329581
Made this a couple weeks ago
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>>634335563
I dunno why, I guess it's the kindof "blobby" way she's drawn that reminds me of Son of Bob.
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git gud
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>>634335791
>Peppino and M&L
Yes, also love the Noise, best character. This is so fucking smooth.
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>>634329234
Very true, but it's important to remember 3D models and references aren't magic bullets.
Copying and tracing are skills that need to be honed. There's nothing more embarrassing as an artist than being an obvious tracetard with perfect anatomy in curvilinear perspective but horrible line quality, composition, rendering, etc.
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>>634329581
SFW, picrel.
NSFW, link.
https://files.catbox.moe/gx06jl.jpg
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>>634336042
Funny thing is that it's based on Paper Mario, but everyone likens it to M&L, I mean, a lot of my design methods and general style was inspired by the M&L series, so I guess it shows through even when I'm trying a different style.
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>>634336186
Pretty sure because it's pixel art and not flat textures on 3D models. Also the outlines, looks like an HD M&L.
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>>634328289
This is true and I've experienced this with a friend, he wants to draw moe crap, ok fine that's cool i can draw anime shit too, but then he cries to me that he's struggling to draw people when he can't even draw basic shapes with the illusion of depth, and ignores any advice i give (so i stopped, waste of time)
And Loomis isn't the only resource you can learn from, you can learn the same things he teaches elsewhere, he's just got an accessible easy to understand method anyone could follow.
But i think the worst filter is that people don't actually read, my friend downloaded a book in Korean and is just trying to copy the drawings without a clue of what it's telling him.
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>>634336457
The original Paper Mario is practically pixel art with 3d backgrounds
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>>634320465
imagine getting filtered by loomis
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>most convenient for me to draw on my phone with a stylus
>pixel art is impossible because the phone just assumes I want to apply antialiasing
>No way to turn it off

This is hell.
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>>634336549
Yeah, anyway, the whole thing is great, got anymore?
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>>634327840
This is true, and I found it out the hard way.
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>>634319302 (OP)
>misplace one (1) pixel on the outline or in shading
>now EVERYTHING on the canvas looks wrong ever so slightly
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>>634336887
Then fix it
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I've been getting filtered hard with trying to colour pick flats for drawings that mesh well and don't look out of place with one another, while also respecting similar values.

>>634335263
I really wish GBG let you group nodons and filter based on them to keep your creation area clear for the current thing you're working on. Becomes real fucking messy when you're trying to make anything that's more than a basic 2d map.
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is ms paint a good starter for getting into digital art?
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>>634327840
This is absolutely false and why talent as it's currently understood by most simpletons is an extremely poisonous concept
Talent is a pursued interest, anything you're willing to practice you can do
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>>634337424
hell yeah bro go for it
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>>634319302 (OP)
Some of best pixel art you can find out there was first made normally, at least as a sketch.
Besides, any type of fancy rendering you learn will be hard, just stick to the one you love making despite how hard it is.
Even celshading will be hard if you make fancier animations, specially on 1s.
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>>634337403
>I've been getting filtered hard with trying to colour pick flats for drawings that mesh well and don't look out of place with one another
1) Select arbitrary colors.
2) Overlay another color on top of all of them.
Your colors are now harmonized.
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>>634329581
Amy ate too much hambugers
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>>634337424
>is a program that’s missing digital arts most powerful and defining tool a good start?
no
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>>634337424
I mean I would reccomend literally any other program since MSpaint's lack of layers makes it really hard to make anything that looks good in, but if you just want to doodle stuff and don't care about quality then it's alright
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>>634337403
Making anything on it is a puzzle, the priority of nodons is all messed up, no layers, programming on the map, can't have many processes, for instance music, took me a while to come up with a player that could play an entire song without falling out of sync.
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>>634337424
GIMP is better than MS Paint. 90% of modern drawing programs are better than MS Paint. It just lacks a ton of basic functions. Not to say that good art can't be made with it, but you are intentionally gimping yourself in a marathon by putting a spring suit on yourself.
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>>634337797
Some people have made layer addons for MS Paint but part of the appeal is letting the limitation shape your work.
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>>634337403
do colour studies, read colour and light theory
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>>634337424
remember that limitations breeds creativity, early vidya was much more original than modern games precisely because of limitations.
some advanced shading techniques are out of the question but by being forced into using simple tools you'll really learn how to master those tools.
check out a couple of this dude's videos for good examples of good ms paint art and technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjcGjkVqhkA [Embed]
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>>634327840
Talent is just your level of perception and problem solving. Some people get better at things faster than others. Autism and hyperfocus/obsession helps. 

Someone who is passionate about something will get good at something much faster than a casual.
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>>634337424
I did this thing, but I would never use a drawing software on daily basis that doesn't have layers, hotkeys for eraser, brushes, brush size.
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>>634329581
I drew these
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>>634337424
Sure
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>>634329581
fuck you luigi what have you drawn
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>>634338303
You made this on paint, holy shit
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>>634330384
This is 101 blender skills.
Learn about vert, edge, face mode.
Extrude with e, move (grab) with g, scale with s, delete with x.
F to fill a face between selected edges/points.
Quads are your friend
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>>634337561
neat
>>634337797
>>634338003
mostly for doodles but yea I guess moving to better programs is a must. I hear Clip Studio gets a lot of praise, is it worth it?
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>>634329581
my gaem. i mean, it's made up of pixel art entirely, so i guess this counts.
https://files.catbox.moe/7c4w6p.mp4
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>>634338382
wtf, why do you have an older version of this pic.
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>>634338303
Cute, this is good shit anon.
Honestly sometimes it's fun just doing whatever on Paint with none of the fancy conveniences of modern technology.
Maybe that's because I've always drawn on paper since i was a kid.
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>>634338303
>WHOA IS THAT A FUCKIN MSPAINT USER INTERFACE?
About as fun to look at as those oekaki scroll wheels
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>>634331072
I like it, scribbly/rough styles are great
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>>634329581
https://files.catbox.moe/nm7lqn.jpg
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>>634338545
You posted it, and I saved it, what do you mean how?
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>>634338314
https://poal.me/sitzxm
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>>634338545
Not that anon but I've downloaded good unfinished art from anons on ic
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>>634338612
nice carmelita amigo
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>>634337520
shut up bob
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>>634330172
godly art and godly tutorial
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>>634338556
Well it's the point of this picture, it would be 10 times as easy to do it in normal software.
>>634338550
Thanks. I get what you are talking about, but with paint sometimes it becomes painful when you have to spend 100 times the amount of time on something simple.
>>634338640
Maybe I did, don't remember. Fels kinda weird to know that someone saved it.
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>>634337837
I just hate it since GMG feels like a great starting point....and then Nintendo never bothered to give the devs a budget to actually improve it further post-release with some much needed QoL and perhaps optimizing further to allow more nodons. At the fucking least add a creation browser?

Shit just feels more limiting than LBP2 on the PS3.
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>>634338434
I personally use CSP, it is quite robust. There is a few things that it can't do but they are niche cases. Much like a handyman, I just judge people on the final product and not the tools. But CSP is a really good toolbox.
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>>634330172
Holy fuck that makes a lot of sense! Youre my nigga!
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>>634336681
Not much else in terms of Paper Mario(ish) styled stuff. I have stuff from the game I'm making, as seen here >>634331221, as well as pic related
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>>634326464
Understand basic forms. This helps a lot.

Next thing to break down whatever you want to draw into basic forms and reconstruct them. Helps to simply stuff when drawing from imagination.
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>>634319302 (OP)
pixel art is pretty easy if your already an artist, cooked this up for a piece i was making. took like 7 minutes tops
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>>634338323
That picture is fucking adorable. I need to get better at drawing. I've been improving over the last few months, but my main issue is balancing proportions/keeping them consistent, and making interesting poses.
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>>634329581
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>>634339635
whats he drinking?
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>>634339550
forgot image
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>>634339663
Fairy Ale or Meedlewine.
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>>634327840
not true. you just bitched out because it takes 4 years to get noticeably good
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How can one differentiate between whats good pixel art and whats bad pixel art..?
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>>634339870
How can one differentiate between whats good art and whats bad art? The only special thing about pixel art is resolution and a few additional rules.
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>>634339610
Poses I feel are a part of leaving comfort zones. I don't want to leave them. As for proportions I have to keep my focus zoomed far the fuck out or else everything gets too cozy. It's better to try and make things BIGGER because more often than not I'm going to make something way too compact with character proportions.
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>>634329581
I can't sketch/line for shit, but I can e at least sorta kinda color and shade. I usually just find stuff that people did lines for (like pic related) and then add color/shading. Personally I find coloring very entertaining.
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>>634329581
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>>634326464
>open up sketchbook
>grab pen
>search for something on google
>load up the results
>start drawing random parts from all the results
job done
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>>634320465
Loomis isn't even bad, it's just a meme because most beginners can't construct and rely on symbol drawing so it's an easy go to for most.
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>>634337706
>Your colors are now harmonized.
That would just tint them? The general relativity of the saturation/value levels would remain the same between the colours.
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>>634329581
dont wanna repost something i did last thread so i found something a little older. theres definitely things id like to change that i didnt notice when i made it, but i still like it
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>>634340937
No. You overlay your sections based on type. For example:
>all skin gets a strong orange overlay set to something like 10% opacity
>all clothes that are red get a magenta overlay at 10% opacity 
And so on. Doing this causes the colors to blend or harmonize. Note that your layer needs to be set to Overlay, not shade/normal.
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>>634341148
NICE
What are the settings you use for the perlin noise filter?
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>>634327840
I don't know why this is so hard for some people to accept. I will freely admit that the things I'm good at are a result of inborn talent. I didn't "work hard" to be good at math, I just am. Meanwhile I'm still shit at art despite practicing all throughout my childhood and on and off for years in my adulthood. The fucking ego on people who say it's all just hard work and practice.
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>>634325986
An AI will never be able to create a vision of something from your mind, all you do is feed it input that it runs through it's own filters and spits back out at you. It's a machine that feeds you a caricature of your own desires rather than making them manifest
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>>634341550
stop spamming this falsehood
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>>634339160
It was clearly a repurposed labo, maybe they just wanted to release it in case it worked, but it seems it didn't took off. They also never bothered with SMM2 again so maybe it's just a thing they do.
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>>634341550
>The fucking ego on people who say it's all just hard work and practice.

Lmao, the irony in this statement is palpable.
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>>634329581
Made a dingy doodle as part of a request to make it super clear my request was not part of bot spam.
It did yield results, for once.
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>>634341786
You're the same as the self-made businessman who pulled himself up by his bootstraps with a small million dollar loan.
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>>634326464
all meme answers, look up image streaming
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>>634341924
>Self-made businessman who pulled himself up by his bootstraps with a small million dollar loan.
>falsely equating hand outs, something tangible with somebody working hard to obtain something. 

So you're retarded? Well thanks for confirming that.
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>>634341458
thanks, that was back when i used procreate, it has its own thing for adding noise. dunno about settings, probably just default.
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>>634340917
How do I learn to draw
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>>634342247
As a complete beginner or what? Hard to say if you don't post your work.
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>>634341373
Oh, you meant overlay blend mode. I've been trying to avoid using layer modes and learn how to just pick the damn colours so I can deal with not needing many layers to organize shit.
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>>634342140
>point goes over his head entirely
Speaking of palpable irony.
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>>634342343
You can't equate something physical that offers a tangible benefit to someone who could have talent but would never get to the heights someone would perceive as 'talented' without hard work.

Your point is retarded and it's a poor man's rationalization to being a failure.
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>>634332340
The Slugcat animation is top notch.
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>>634342327
Don't do that. You're making your life miserable for no profit at all. You should be using the following layer modes:
>normal for lines and flat colors
>overlay to harmonize/blend
>shine combined with blur effects to get that sweet shiny effect for metal, skin, and hair (and other stuff)
>multiply/shade for darker colors
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>>634342327
I just edit, I don't even draw, and I'd probably kill myself if I had to work with a single layer. Layers are the information age's gift to artists, you're only hurting yourself anon
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>>634320606
no experience here, but while i'd guess that this is mostly true, i'd imagine that adjusting for the compositional contstraints, including the contstraints for animating, would be pretty tricky to figure out.
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>>634342302
I drew frog
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>>634343027
I'd probably use something other than paint for starters. Then I'd just find shit I enjoy and start doing that first, even if it's bad.
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>>634342327
You should have LOTS of layers, and organize them by folders.
>one layer for each flat color
>layer for lines
>one layer for each overlay color
>one layer for each shaded part (e.g. an arm, a leg, and so on)
>multiple layers for each layering of shading you do (depending on how deep/aggressive you want your shading to be)
You should be close to 100 layers once you're done, assuming you're going for a lot of highly specific shading/detail. I personally organize my shit into folders like "flats", "shade", "shine", "lines", and so on.
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>>634342516
A tangible benefit? Like being more skilled at something, for instance? I'm good at what I'm good at and bad at what I'm bad at, that's how it is. You just don't want to admit that your life is affected almost entirely by factors outside of your control because you're a narcissist. Sad.
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>>634341550
Because for the vast majority of the population, art is something you have to work hard at to be good at. "Talent" when it comes to art is just being faster at learning certain things. I do not consider myself talented, but animation was easier for me to understand than most people who try it and my artistic skill picked up speed when I discovered that fact. I spent a lot of time being a very shit artist, but I have gotten better over the years.

I'm absolutely certain the same is true for you, and even if you feel hopeless now you can become a good artist. Most of all you should keep experimenting with your art, because you never know when you'll come across something you happen to learn faster than other people. Apparently you learn Math faster than other people, that is a trait I envy since I was always shit at math.

Pic related is a before an after drawing from one of my favorite artists, Etheross. Here is one of his more recently uploaded drawings:
https://static1.e621.net/data/3f/78/3f78f18c9e466766e1a3d92c0026963b.jpg
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>>634343526
>"Talent" when it comes to art is just being faster at learning certain things.
Factually wrong
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>>634343526
nice progress. i hope you make lewds
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>>634326464
it's just muscle memory, even if you have like aphantasia or some shit. you are just remembering shapes and putting them together.
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>>634343492
No a benefit in reality and as in a physical object that objectively and measurably offers a clear advantage in the world of business.

Comparing that to talent to an artist is stupid because ultimately people have debated the notion of talent and hard work for years without a clear answer. 

>I'm good at what I'm good at and bad at what I'm bad at, that's how it is.

Once again, poor rationalize for being shit at things you aren't good at it. 

>You just don't want to admit that your life is affected almost entirely by factors outside of your control because you're a narcissist. Sad.

Yes, so what? Do you think artists because of those external factors are magically given the ability to be good at art? Even talented people have to work hard to obtain results.

Your art is shit because you didn't actually try, next time apply yourself rather than coping like a loser.
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>>634319302 (OP)
Let me help you out OP:
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui-pixelization
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>>634343787
The pic in my post wasn't me, it was Etheross. He does a lot of lewds.
https://e621.net/posts?page=1&tags=Etheross

I'm this poster
>>634332340

>>634342537
Thanks anon!
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>>634344372
oh well nice progress the same. do you post on other sites yet?
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>>634343732
in that case, talent doesn't exist and you're a loser who's afraid of failing while learning.
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>>634329581
Unfortunately I have nothing new to show
https://files.catbox.moe/i80hxs.png
https://files.catbox.moe/h9vz0v.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bc5jme.png
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>>634344478
Mostly on e621 as Simski, also on Pixiv and Twitter. I haven't uploaded anything new in a while though since my animation projects are taking a lot of time.
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>>634344775
i forgot if you drew cave story or not. i remember all the kuromis
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>>634344775
Hot cookies
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>>634343127
I think I'm getting the hang of it
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>>634343331
You're spending way too much fucking time having to organize, label, and setup layers in a non-destructive autistic level vs, just picking the colours you want and painting them in. Made a mistake? Just paint over it.
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>>634344782
nice stuff.
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>>634330752
I have drawing ideas dude they just come out looking like shit. Not sure how you even got the idea that I had 0 ideas on what to draw when I specified I had 0 ideas on how to draw
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>>634344860
I haven't drawn Cave Story fanart yet. I mostly draw Pokémon and Animal Crossing stuff
>>634344861
Thank you
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if you can't draw it, it's because you're lost
if you're lost, it's because you don't know it
if you don't know it, it's because you don't understand it
if you don't understand it, simplify it until you do understand it
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>>634345153
>Animal Crossing stuff
Any chance you could do a lewd with my favorite villager Pecan?
The quality of your art is fantastic, I especially love the coloring of the close-up in your second picture. Coloring and shading are still some of the things I struggle with the most
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>>634345005
Using layers allows you to prevent having an "oops" moment like that and having to repaint something. With layers you can tweak and adjust everything with ease if you set them up correctly.
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>>634344868
Actually I'm getting worse
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>>634319302 (OP)
just learn how to draw circles and bunch of round objects, you get bonus points if you do it without blocky lines, coloring is the only true hard thing to do if you're going for GBA-tier coloring
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>>634329581
My contribution to the recent draw pixel art from memory thread, was fun.
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>>634329581
Got this colored just now
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>>634325906
it's the same with music, nobody thinks you can learn to play a piano without hiring some jewish classically trained 60 year old teacher for $100 an hour, and they think it takes years to learn pretty low level pieces, meanwhile you can go buy a method book and work through it as fast as you want and be playing well known mid level pieces in 1-2 years.
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>>634345834
Sure. But it would likely take some time to get done. I've been rather busy with work lately
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>>634346557
>meanwhile you can go buy a method book
Any recs?
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>>634329581
I'm finally starting concept art for my game, just hoping to keep improving
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>>634346718
this
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>>634346718
>>634346776
alfreds or fabers
adult all in one courses
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>>634346834
TY.
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did we ever figure out how to draw
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>>634327925
Because it's easy and minimalistic, which is the core of modern pixel art.
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>>634319302 (OP)
It's pointless too coz it looks like warmed up dog shit on modern displays unless you have a shader implemented.
--- 634348282
I've always been interested in drawing, but it has always been an utterly alien skill to me. I have a hard time believing that it's actually something people can learn, but I could easily be wrong since I have no understanding of the process at all. I never managed to reach the point of being able to define or identify contours, and without that it seems hard to do much of anything other than copying drawings, which is both really boring and teaches me nothing.

>>634345167
I don't understand the purpose of simplification. Sure, I can simplify something down into half of a sphere and a cylinder or something, but I wanted to draw the actual subject, not an amalgam of two basic shapes. How do I un-simplify the simplification into an actual drawing? What is the simplification supposed to help me do?

I can maybe see how it would work if I could tell whether lines were right or wrong, but I do not possess this skill. While I can look at or visualize the subject, I can never picture what a drawing of that subject might look like, so I can't tell whether or not anything I'm doing is actually correct. I seriously struggle to see what actually connects a drawing to its intended subject. Even simple drawings seem like bizarre illusions that function according to laws completely outside my comprehension.
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Is Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain worth checking out?
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>>634336675
use a pixel art program like piskel or something like that
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>>634346632
That's no problem, I'm very patient. I've been checking Pecan's e621 page for new art pretty much daily for at least 6 years. It's my bday in 3 days so just knowing that someone talented might draw Pecan eventually would be enough to make it a good day for me.

Here's some more old abandoned drawings I'm considering returning to eventually, feel free to use any as inspiration if you want
https://files.catbox.moe/h8usrj.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/ugncb3.png
https://files.catbox.moe/6u09n9.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/gbjgy7.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/meoufs.png
https://files.catbox.moe/xwt6k7.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/pjr8d9.png
https://files.catbox.moe/a5pjsr.png
https://files.catbox.moe/9myb6w.png
Same with any of my drawings in
>>634332340
Or just draw whatever you feel like, I'm sure I will be happy with pretty much anything you make
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>>634327840
Nah, you just have to be autistic enough, like in many other fields.
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>>634327840
Surprisingly hope pilled responses here, i wouldn't expect that from /v/ of all places
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>>634348363
The exercises are fine but you can ignore the pseudoscientific babble
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>>634348282
You can see it on 3D models, they are made up of polygons, connected shapes that make a bigger complex shape
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>>634329581
Vocaloid is at least slightly vidya related, right?
I made a solo shota thing too
https://files.catbox.moe/7dqw03.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ggcats.png

>>634349023
Damn, good shit anon. You've got some talent for chibi AC stuff
>>634349991
Sculpting in 3D interests me but sounds very intimidating
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>>634350312
Aren't those siblings? Wtf
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>>634349023
>Here's some more old abandoned drawings
Story of my life. Do 10 rough-clean sketches that I spend anywhere from 1-2 hours on, and maybe colour/ink one of them.
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>>634319302 (OP)
This is a great image ngl
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>>634329581
i dont think this semen slurping hobby is for me
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>>634350312
Sculpting is a lot easier than box modeling, but making sculpts into low-poly models is still hard.
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>>634350413
1. Why would that matter
2. No, they have no official relation, it's literally just a male and female version of the same voice samples
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Not too hard...
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>>634350413
Yes and it's based.
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>>634350312
It's actually easier than drawing, at least until you get to the drawing part, but 3D shapes come to you naturally, the problem lies within the interface, handling 3D with 2D is clunky.
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>>634342247
copy the artists you like

then do it more

then do it more but use different characters

then do it more but see if you can do it without copying(mild spoiler: you shouldn't, you should always use ref)

then do whatever you want
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>>634329581
Blob
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>>634351049
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>>634350649
You did reproduce it while having the source image upside-down, right?
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>>634350980
>>634351082
The real part that sounds complex to me is making something with proper bones that bends naturally like a person would. Or making sure it looks good from all angles.
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>>634327840
IQ and Talent are inherited in the DNA. However, even a slow person can learn to draw in 5 years compared to a talented person in 6 months. The main issue for all artists is time.

And art isn't something everyone can do with such limited time in their lives. It's not exactly a social or multitasking thing to do either.
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>>634329581
I've been sitting on this for a month, and now I got ten days to add a pile of trashed pantheons around them, clean some lines/anatomy, add some quick colours, and call it a day for the game's anniversary.
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>>634351149
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>>634351172
ya
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>>634338434
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>>634319302 (OP)
I dunno
personally I peaked and I don't know how to improve from here
literally no idea how people make better pixelshit
any pixelshit pros care to criticize?
retards on /ic/ do everything but look at other people's work
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>>634351489
now this is the cutest guy
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>>634348282
>I never managed to reach the point of being able to define or identify contours, and without that it seems hard to do much of anything other than copying drawings, which is both really boring and teaches me nothing.
That doesn't sound too bad at all, you can absolutely draw without contours. A lot of talented artists draw without outlining their art. You can just draw colors instead for example. Draw the shapes of the things you want to draw with colors, and then paint it over with more colors. Its quite a unique art style if you enjoy it, and I've had some artist friends who liked coloring before drawing outlines because she was more of a painter than a sketcher.
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>>634320606
That's too big
at a certain point just learn actual illustration
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>>634327007
You have it backwards, you can make a semblance or approximation of your vision and then your AI creates either your vision or something that surpasses it.

See pic related.
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>>634325182
then don't sculpt
blender isn't even good for sculpting
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>>634351756
Thanks pal
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>>634348450
Works until I export it.
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>>634326462
these look like pixel tracing
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>>634351829
Not to be contrarian, but I like the base image far more than the AI-generated ones. I'd like to see how that artist develops his style. The generated images all look nauseatingly samey.
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>>634326464
I dunno bro
how do you not?
I draw completely from imagination and I think references just clutter my screen
I recommend you look at more thing to develop a large mental library of things
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>>634351575
I always have a laugh at people who think you should spend money on anything that isn't pencils and a pad of paper when starting out.
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>>634352156
I gotta be real with you bro, that's my own drawing from 3 years ago... and every time I've posted this as an example even on discord I get the same reply.
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>>634350312
Thanks anon, cute shotas.
I too like boys occasionally
https://files.catbox.moe/nmchk6.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/u4mo8p.png
https://files.catbox.moe/gx6rfg.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/1cxofd.gif
https://files.catbox.moe/ode0ba.png

>>634350547
Yeah I do a lot of quick sketches that are usually too shit quality to upload to my main account. A few of these become full drawings, but tons of them just end up as "maybe I'll make some of this eventually". I especially have a tendency to make quick sketches when I get stuck on something I'm working on and I feel I need a break from being frustrated.
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>>634330181
god watercolor is so fucking difficult
I've been trying to learn it recently and it makes me want to tear my hair out
oil painting is stupid easy in comparison
you fuck up once in watercolor and there's no saving it, you have to start over from scratch

I'm going to figure this shit out though I swear to god
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>>634335081
Post your art anywhere?
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>>634352930
Tyty, glad you like em! Based bi anon, your anims are super cute too
I should do more AC stuff, but I haven't played NH in forever now. I did draw the green villager from smash though. Should draw Melba too since she's a favorite villager of mine.

Have a pixiv or baraag anon? I don't really like using twitter but would like to give you a follow somewhere.
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>>634351824
you dont know what youre talking about. pics like that are in game boy color games all the time.
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>>634351643
Well the pose is weird and makes it impossible to animate properly. Its like hes halfway through a walk cycle so his back leg is extended but the foot is flat and the front leg is under tension for some reason and hes extending his shoulder blade to "swing" the pick axe instead of moving his arms or body in a way that makes sense.
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>>634349587
Thanks cool anon
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>>634326464
learning to draw is like learning to speak. you build a vocabulary for one and you build a visual library for the other and commit it to memory.

then, when you have an idea for something, you start with simple shapes that you mold together. its like sculpting on a 2D plane.
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>>634353658
sorarinnnnn on twitter, i havent posted anything recently though, kinda going through a period of trying to figure out what i want to draw instead of just random popular anime girls
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>>634327005
>>634327062
>>634327285
That's literally how ai is trained
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>>634329581
last vidya thing i made
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>>634354230
That's crazy. Next you're going to tell me that nature follows rulesets just like machines...
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>>634354230
Woah, human build learning algorithms learn in a manner similar to humans? Who could have guessed!
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>>634353791
gameboy color has hardware limitations that limit the resolution
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>>634327840
That's not what an artist is and the sooner you ask yourself what do you want from yourself as an artist and can give a response that satisfies you the happier you will be.
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>>634328301
Cup could use some work but the pepe is nice
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>>634329581
i like to draw lizards
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>>634354018
it's called a dynamic pose
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>>634354481
yeah, true, but im sure anon is art could be translated in to the gameboy color easily.
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How many studies should it take for shit to start just coming out via muscle memory/subconsciously? From construction setups, to style choices, etc.
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>>634354660
Yeah and it works for a static sprite but add than animated twitch and it looks like the artist doesn't know what movement he was trying to convey at all.
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>start learning how to draw
>somehow end up making 3d models of clothes to sell to retards in vrchat and ffxiv
huh
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>>634329583
Modding the Binding of Isaac but the real start was making horrible mashups of pokemon sprites on the library computers in paint.
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>>634354609
Dope shading. I always enjoy flat shading with hatching like that.
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>>634354609
Saw this in the drawthread, love it.
Do you post your art anywhere?

also if you don't draw drakengard fanart you should
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>>634330110
Artist name?
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>>634353680
Yeah I have pixiv
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/4519494
I'm slightly worse at uploading to my Pixiv ever since I started animating because they only accept GIF format, e621 is where I prioritize uploading finished works (unless it's human only).

Aside from drawing Pecan I would like to eventually get back to drawing more Yaya Panda since she doesn't get non-futanari art often enough (I don't hate futa but jesus christ why is all new art of her futa). I would also like to draw my boar boy OC some more eventually, however all my animation ideas for him would be too big of a project considering all of my unfinished stuff I should be working on.
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>>634354609
you need to draw lewds
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>>634354768
not long but just because you studied how to draw buildings and can shit them out like you ate nothing but fiber doesnt mean youll be able to do the same when you draw cars.
you have to commit each topic or subject to memory.
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>>634354870
just post in the drawthreads and share with some friends
i've tried making drakengard fanart but the curve horns are hard to get right
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>>634329581
Using this as an excuse to doodle something before going back to commissions.
Have a quick Link
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>>634329581
Drew some cunny but blue boad and all that.
https://files.catbox.moe/74d6at.png
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>>634355006
Ah hey, nice seeing your stuff here again.
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>>634354967
man i may be an absolute cumbrain but im unable to do lewds
i just lack the talent to do it. god gave me the skills to draw lizards and a lack of it to draw girls
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>>634354761
not the same at all
that is pixel are it's within the pixel are scale range, it's just large in scale, the camera help preserve this
I can have 16x16 tiles arrange in 10000000x100000000 world
and it would still be pixel art
there is a huge difference between >>634354761 and >>634320606
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>keep seeing artists that tell you that if you want to get better at human bodies/dynamic angles, draw porn
Starting to think most of them are coomers who can't think of tasteful poses or never saw a gymnastics set/wrestling match for referencing.
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>>634355248
when life gives you lemons draw lizard girls
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>>634355314
are you phone posting?
can you refrase this post?
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>>634354772
animation is tiring
I wasn't thinking about it when I first made the still.
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>>634355248
oh well. maybe one day.
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>>634355006
thats a cute link
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>>634329581
https://files.catbox.moe/3gyziz.png
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>>634355463
>that is pixel are it's within the pixel are scale range
like this. i dont know what you said.
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>>634355110
why are there so many pedosubhumans on /v/?
are you brown?
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>>634354964
Nice, followed ya! Cute Mimi
I would like to give animating a go myself but all I've ever tried was messing with it a long time ago on flipnote studio on the DSi. I'm not into futa myself so I can understand that sentiment for various characters.
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>>634332340
>the rainworld one
jesus christ
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>>634355414
You can draw people naked without it being porn, but drawing naked bodies is just a very good way of understanding human anatomy
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>>634355552
*art
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wish I had talent artist(not calarts) kinda jealous of them
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>>634355189
I try to be around when I can. Specially if there's any people asking for advice on stuff I know

>>634355532
Thanks!
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>>634355674
oh, are you trying the describe it like the difference between a pre rendered cutscene and an in game cutscene?
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>>634355580
Whiter than you Mohammad, go fuck a goat or something.
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>>634329581
Here you go mama loogie. https://catbox.moe/c/ggbv0y
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>>634355465
Don't deliberately ask for critique/pointers and then get all defensive, thats lil bitch behavior.
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>>634326464
The reason behind fundies is so that it's easier to draw from imagination. You don't all the anatomy, cubes, and all that shit so it looks "real", you learn it so when you draw from imagination, you know how to connect it all together. Like a puzzle.
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>>634331239
>AI's not quite there yet.
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>>634355950
No, im still taking about scale, not rendering
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>>634354940
I find it odd to ask me that way. I don't have socials. 
>>634333247
I did it a while back. Maybe I will revisit the idea. I have been working on fundies grinding. Slimes violating booty holes are pretty great.
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>>634351643
I'm kind of confused what is going on here. Is that an idle animation or an attack animation? Because if that's an attack animation it's too subtle, and if it's an idle animation it's too extreme. He sorta looks like he's using the sickle to knock on a hatch door to see if anyone is home.
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>>634332340
I hope they throw you in jail eventually.
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>>634356057
yeah right abdallah, you read quran everyday worshiping your pedo hero
you're browner than shit
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>>634356231
give real critique then
I already know the animation is bad I'm only now learning it, I mean the art itself. I want to improve how well I make the pixel art.
>>634356729
it's an idle animation
and yeah I just don't know how to make it more subtle, moving one pixel does so much
but I'm looking more about how to improve the art than the animation, I already know I'm a bad animator
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>>634355648
They also don't seem to understand that tasteful nudity studies are a thing, which annoys me more when I get told I'm drawing something nsfw in an explicit sense, when it isn't.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZzU1Z2y5A0 [Embed]
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>>634355414
Porn often involves complex poses, bodies pressed against each other, and a bunch of other shit. It's unironically really good practice. Plus, it's fun to draw.
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Just wanted to let you pedoscum know that I've informed the FBI about all the pedoposters here that draw loli and shota pedoshit
They have your IPs
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>>634327925
Beginner have this mindset of trying to represent every single feature with a pixel, so you end up with twig legs and dot eyes. In reality a group of pixels hint at features that aren't truly there but you need skill to render that properly.
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>>634329581
This is the best I can do
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>>634351829
The eyes in the original are 10000% better. Figures that many people call the eyes the window to the soul and the AI can't replicate it.
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>>634356735
You know the idea of being locked up with no freedom or even the potential to get raped doesn't bother me at all, however I do my best to abide the law because I hear they make people work in prison and I really don't wanna do that.
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>>634356685
Asking for YOUR artist name would have been better.
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>>634357029
If it's an idle animation, perhaps a more relaxed pose rather than a dynamic pose would be better. Like maybe having his arm with the sickle hanging down more relaxed, and probably reduce the framerate to make it look like he's taking slow natural breaths.
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>>634355738
I dont even mind it anymore cuz more talented artists means more ppl I can copy and learn from, more giants to stand on the shoulders of
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>>634358519
this. i can see and ask 'how they draw like that' and study and apply it to my art.
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>>634351829
>>634357974
>be me
>did pixel art years back, learned by frankensteining MMBN/pokemon stuff, quit after Pokemon started doing 3D stuff more, got just good enough to start doing some stuff by hand
>same with drawing, I got super good at fine detail work as a kid because I'd always draw in margins and shit, but gave up on ever being good at faces or people or anything non-technical and not the size of an ant

>had "talent" in that I got good quick up to a point, but never got past that point because I only ever did what I was comfortable with

>years pass and AI art becomes a thing, try it out, really want to do more with it, custom diffusions, but my PC is shit so that's a problem for future me
>new phone because old one broke has a stylus, maybe I can make some kinda iffy sketches or trace art I like to see what the AI does with it

>end up getting back into it and start drawing anime-style faces after building confidence off a couple traces, do the thing kid me thought he'd never do
>get so into it I forget the "original purpose" and start practicing legitimately for fun, sure the more detailed backgrounds kinda make it obvious how bad I am at drawing people but what's the point if I don't push myself
>details the AI fucks up hilariously on, throwing my original plan more or less out the window

this is how AI art can create artists, too. I won't even try to discuss the ethics (mostly because I don't actually give a fuck), but at this point I'm just setting aside an hour a day to practice and even if it doesn't go anywhere, self-improvement can be fun with the right lens.

Not everybody can be Da Vinci, and not everyone can do it fast, but everyone can raise their skills to a point where other people think "Oh, hey, you're not bad at that."
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>>634351049
I like your sprites. For a game?
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>>634359090
I won't post the shit I'm doing now because, while it isn't technically nsfw, it's still degenerate and I'm not proud/bold enough to post that shit here.

So, instead, have an example of the kind of stuff I used to do, Pokemon/Battle Network style stuff.
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>>634351049
why is the hat popping?
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>>634359090
Churchill on painting: “Painting is complete as a distraction. I know of nothing which, without exhausting the body more entirely absorbs the mind.”

“We can't aspire to masterpieces. We may content ourselves with a joy ride in a paint-box.”
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aaarrghhh just drawwww
but im lazy
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>>634351829
>then your AI creates either your vision or something that surpasses it.
Ai fags really believe this? No wonder they're a lost cause.
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>>634357029
>give me critique 
>not like that!
Okay, animation aside, the shading doesn't really convey any extra information on the torso. The arms are given good muscular shape, but the legs/crotch region are just a mess, and its all sort of rim lit rather than actually having highlights that make sense for a light source. 

My advice would be to draw a larger more detailed sketch of the creature in question and use that to figure out the composition and lighting, then reduce and simplify it. This seems more like you tried to draw a blobby dude straight to sprite without establishing a solid concept.
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>>634343027
SOUL
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>>634319302 (OP)
How the fuck do I make drawing fun despite being absolutely awful at it
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>>634360423
First and foremost, stop comparing yourself to others. When you see a "better" piece of art, think not on "Wow, I can't do that", but "I like the way this looks. What are they doing that I'm not?" If you can't tell, or your answer is just "It's more detailed" or something, then try to draw it by looking at it, or hell, even trace the image.

It's the difference between learning by reading and learning by doing. Experimenting with ways to achieve a similar result may give you the tools necessary to achieve it in less specific contexts, something "learn to draw" books don't usually tell you. It's not about the end product with practice like that, it's about trying new things you wouldn't otherwise.

For me, the process has been to find a bunch of artists with styles or elements I like, open up like twelve images, two or three of each artist, open a single reference, and see what happens. Sometimes it doesn't work and I can't make something out of it for shit, but even then I'm usually able to think of something I *do* want to draw after.

Basically, the road to being happy with art is to stop placing expectations on yourself. Learn to accept a B or even a C. Realize that expecting every piece to be exactly like it appears in your mind is something no human can or ever was able to do. Accept the bad results as practice towards the good ones. Always push yourself to try something you don't think you can do- and if it comes out badly, who cares? There is always another blank sheet.
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>>634360265
What do you mean establishing a solid concept?
The sprite on the left is the first iteration and the the one on the right is my next step adding detail
Also I don't know how to make art that isn't pixel art
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>>634351829
>"AI gives me my vision or something that surpasses it"
You faggots always say this but then always post something that's awful and goes against what you intended.
>generated pictures change the hair style, changes the clothes and their color, changes the pose, and changes the eye shape and color, changes the setting 
>original picture has properly separated fingers and clothes that natural wrap around the body, while the generated images have the fingers conjoined or broken and the clothing is melting into the skin and hair
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>>634361205
Thats your problem, pixel art has the same principles as real art, just really really really constrained. You won't make good pixel art without knowing the basics of how to draw and create depth and value and shit. 
If you want to make something look good you need to know what the fuck those pixels are actually representing. 
Otherwise you're just going to keep drawing the equivalent of kids crayon drawings or stick men.
Try drawing larger more detailed versions of the art first.
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>>634352453
shame you became an AI nigger. Real sad.
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>>634360423
keep your expectations grounded and honest, dont expect to be good without the time investment, and remember to give yourself praise and positive reinforcement for doing better than before, instead of telling yourself that you're bad compared to whatever arbitrary metric youre using, you're at the level youre supposed to be, dont think about good or bad, draw because you want to draw stuff and you like the act, not to be good at it.
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>>634360423
You can't force yourself to have fun.
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>>634362231
I dunno, it feels totally different
when i draw pixel art it's about placing down shapes and sculpting those shapes, then it's about adding details like shadows and light
when I draw with a pencil it's about sketching a stick figure and then making the outline and then adding shadows
I feel like pixel art is more like sculpting than sketching
I've never been good at drawing, but I think a lot of people would think I'm at least a decent spriter, so I don't really believe they're as connected as you say.
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>>634360423
I dunno, draw tits or something
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>>634329581
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>>634327925
I hate that style of "Pixel art" and did NOT start with that.

My inspiration for Pixel art was Mario Bros 3 with the heavy use of black
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>>634362992
What are you talking about, of course you can. You force it as hard as you can, you get mad, and then you start to enjoy your anger, just like playing a shmup.
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>>634363301
...drawing can be approached the exact same way, you just don't want to try because you can hide your lack of skill behind the inherent lack of detail in pixel art.
If you actually want feedback, check your ego and try something different. If you're fine with your current sprites then don't ask for feedback.
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>>634346171
I drew frog upside down