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--- 14893670
Why is Orthdoxy on the rise?
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Because white kids in the western world with no identity have no cultural precedence for it so they project and idolize the fuck out of it and swallow all of it's memes whole.
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>>14893670 (OP)
American “men,” especially millennials and gen xers, are manchildren whose identity is tied into “things” whether they be funkopops or cars.

In this case, these manchildren treat Orthodox Christianity as an exotic “thing” that they measure their devotion to by their growing collection of books and icons. Icons are more or less the same as funkopops to them. Most likely to do not go to church regularly, if at all, and most spend more time debating online or being “content creators” than actually spending time devoting themselves to God.
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tradcaths disillusioned with catholicism + LARPers that like byzantines because they featured in their map-colouring games = western orthodogs
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>>14893670 (OP)
Where are the stats?
--- 14893769
The lamp/light and presence of God resides in One Church like God in the 2nd Temple.

It all goes back to the Uncreated Light, God’s presence and physicality need to be present in One Body.

Catholic Scholasticism combined their beliefs with Platonism and other philosophies/man made doctrines. Protestantism is Nestorianism as it denies the physicality of Faith. Both lead straight to atheism/secularism, but it isn’t a “Western” problem
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>>14893700
>In this case, these manchildren treat Orthodox Christianity as an exotic “thing” that they measure their devotion to by their growing collection of books and icons.
Perfect encapsulation.
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Average orthodog convert in the comments of that vid.
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This is now an orthodog bashing thread
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Catholics who are disillusioned with modern Catholicism, Baptists who want the actual, original Christianity (I know there are Baptist converts in Mount Athos)
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>>14893796
>Toll House Chocolate Chip Cookie Sandwich

?
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>>14893670 (OP)

Its not. Russia has like a 7% church attendance rate, and only ones who go to church are grannies. they also have an ungodly abortion rate. Not to mention, Orthodox countries are all really corrupt.
--- 14894293
Why are all the OrthoLARPer converts such huge Russaboos and Zfags? Is it because of the history and infkuence of the OCA and ROCOR? It's weird how they never convert to Greek or Serbian Orthodox, it's always Russian.
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>>14894293
They're attracted to power or at least the perception of it. The Kremlin convinced them that it's a counterweight to the Western liberal elites they don't like, so they hope that by converting to Russian Orthodoxy, they can borrow some of the Kremlin's power, or at least perceived power.

They're the equivalent of Koreans converting to American Protestant sects in the 1920s, or black Americans in the 1960s joining Islam.
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>>14894293
I’m just a slavophile and I’ve always been. I don’t think that influenced my religious life, only my gun purchases
But I go to a Greek Orthodox Church because it’s what’s closest to me and I really like both of the priests there.
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>>14893993
>he doesn't know about the toll-houses
Someone's not going to trad heaven

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_toll_house
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Aerial_Toll-Houses
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>>14893670 (OP)
Idk bruh but some American Orthos are the most retarded people I've ever talked to... it seems many join it just to be "counter" culture even religiously.
t. Slavic Ortho
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>>14894351
Toll houses aren’t real and only schizos think they are
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>>14894353
You’re definitely right
t. American ortho convert
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>>14893670 (OP)
Lots of young men in America struggle to accept their homosexual desires. They get horny thinking about big cocks and jerk off thinking about fucking a twink's tight hole.

It scares them, so they seek refuge, with other repressed homosexuals, amongst the incense and chants.
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>>14894366
Speaking from experience?
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>>14893670 (OP)
new age/buddhism for chuds
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>>14894543
Yep
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>>14893670 (OP)
see
>>14893687
>>14893700
>>14894543
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It has ancient drip and hasn't neglected it in an attempt to appeal to the masses the way the Papists did, and its dysfunctions are opaque to Americans.
A lot of the EO Church's self-narrative (for instance the whole "spiritual against Roman rationalism") was basically invented in the 19th century to try to distinguish itself from RC.
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>>14893670 (OP)
Amerimutts are retarded protestants who hate the Catholic church. Since American christians realize how bogus protestant bullshit is, they seek to convert. But since their amerimutt DNA is programmed to hate catholics, they default to the next best thing, which is orthodoxy.
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>>14894607
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>>14893687
>>14893700
>>14893710
>>14893778
>>14893796
>>14894293
>>14894312
>>14894366
>>14894543
>>14894622
>>14894633
why so negative, jeez louise
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>>14894633
There is WR Orthodoxy.
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>>14893670 (OP)
Because it is the truth.
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>>14894692
>>14894640
>>14894640
--- 14894724
All these "orthodogs" who were former baptists or grew up in evangelical households should read this book before they continue spewing up the lies told to them by their priests.
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>>14893670 (OP)
Catholicism straying away from Christianity and towards the western bs
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>>14893670 (OP)
The faith is an excellent source of meaning in this meaningless world. We are born into an existential void, and we seek comfort in divine authority to escape this misery.
--- 14894801
>why is orthodoxy on the rise
do you actually have anything to back that up with beyond a clickbait thumbnail
--- 14894919
Trad LARPERS and retard evangelicals enamored by a foreign culture and ritual trappings. Also contrarianism notched up to eleven. It's like being a special snowflake but also "based." Orthodox are like 1% of US Christians iirc. 

Got nothing against the Orthodox but some of these converts have the most retarded reasoning behind their decision. 

Also may not be entirely true:
https://northamanglican.com/there-is-no-traditionalist-liturgical-revival-happening-yet/
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>>14894724
Based.
--- 14895101
Evangelicals here have nothing to offer but rock concerts with zoomers hopping around, Kanye who promotes some cool acceptable form of anti-semitiism and business style church conferences where they talk about efficacies of sola scriptura, rinse and repeat the same set of topic for the last 70 odd years.

Give me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them that triumphs over orthodoxy, I am waiting
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>>14895101
also I'm not even orthodox because I think generally real orthodox are repulsed by 4chan and meme culture
I'm a post-christian/post-evangelical if anything
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>>14893687
Just say you hate white people next time.
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>>14893812
The guys at Mount Athos never heard the phrase "be fruitful and multiply".
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>>14894293
I like Russians but I converted to Protestantism from Roman Catholicism.
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>>14894622
Wrong.
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Wait till converts find what the entire culture and family surrounding Orthodoxy really means.
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>>14895101
Evangelicals and reformed folks in general tend to produce really good sermons since they don't give a fuck about sacraments. The whole personal relationship with God thing is cool too.

t. used to be evangelical
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>>14893670 (OP)
Anyone who converts to Orthodoxy for political reasons and not spiritual reasons is a Chud, plain and simple.
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>>14894633
I just don’t like the legalism of Catholicism or the papacy 
Also purgatory is dumb
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>>14893670 (OP)
I fills a unique niche in the american christian ecosystem of having a big and old intellectual tradition while not being catholicism. Also its the second biggest single christian church so it makes sense it would eventually find its way into being an established player especially as old protestantism falls on its face and catholicism isnt being its old reactionary self
As well protestantism doesnt know how to deal with it very well due to never having had to argue with it (being relegated to being a backwater religion in europe does that) and western catholics lack experiance with it
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>>14895521
Most non-immigrant Orthodox in the US are negroes or Alaskan Injuns.
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>>14893670 (OP)
>OMG ORTHODOX ROSE FROM .001% to .001001% 
Orthox countries are the most atheist in the world. The religion won't even exist in 100 years.
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>>14895613
This is literally not true. You will find more Catholic blacks than orthos
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>>14895600
>Orthodox has a big and old intellectual tradition in the USA
Orthodox has 100,000 practicing followers in the USA, time for you to go shill somewhere else.
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>>14895614
2 more weeks and Christianity disappears forever
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>>14895619
Correct, because Orthodoxy is an incredibly niche religion that only has a following in the US among Eastern European immigrants, negroes, and Alaskan Injuns. There's more Wiccans in the US than there are Orthodox who aren't, as mentioned, immigrants.
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>>14895638
Ivan, Orthodox isn't Christian, its not even a religion, the head of your 'church' is a literal communist (atheist).
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>>14895626
>I CANT READ!!!1!
As expected from /his/tard
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>>14894919
arent "trad larpers" basically just people who respect the actual christian teachings and not modern day sin worship that is taught in order to "put butts in seats" as they say and appeal to modern sensibilities?
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>>14893687
There’s nothing wrong with being a theist and simultaneously not humoring organized religion at the same time.
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>>14895638
>orthodogs
>christian
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>>14894003
>Russia has like a 7% church attendance rate, and only ones who go to church are grannies
I'm generalizing a bit, but Russians seem much more "anarchistic" in reality, or nihilistic might be a better way of putting it, like believing in nothing and not trusting anybody outside people they either know really well or their family members. They're really not these trad people, like at all, but the other side of that coin of indifference is not caring about what other people believe or basically respecting it, which makes disrespecting the Orthodox Church a politically incorrect thing (even if they don't go to church), and the Orthodox Church also doesn't seem particularly evangelistic about what they do. They're not exactly knocking on my door trying to convert me.

https://youtu.be/DpSTtB71M_8 [Embed]

>>14895105
>I think generally real orthodox are repulsed by 4chan and meme culture
Most institutions that 4chan meme culture tries to move into are repulsed by it. It's one thing to do it on the internet, imagine talking to people like that in real life, especially if it's a grown-ass man saying "based" to you. It's disgusting or, at the very least, cringeworthy.
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>>14893710
>tradcaths disillusioned with catholicism
Is the Pope gonna excommunicate the channers?

https://youtu.be/NRt2cKvJLlE?t=92 [Embed]
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>>14893670 (OP)
>Stopped in to a church
>I passed along the way
>Well, I got down on my knees 
>And I pretend to pray
>You know the preacher liked the cold 
>He knows I'm gonna stay 
>California dreamin' 
>On such a winter's day.
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Unironically true
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>>14895638
Continuously between 1958 and 2013 the church has lost more members than it has gained
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>>14893670 (OP)
Is it really?
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>>14896316
Most trad larpers don't actually believe in God. They just follow it because they think it will help them get laid.
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>>14893789
I discovered it though memes too. Doesn't mean it's a meme religion though
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>>14893796
Literally me.
But I see nothing wrong with this.
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>>14896639
Lmao. The absolute state.
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>>14894622
This.
American Protestantism has done more damage to Christianity in the past century than every Muslim faction in the world managed to accomplish in over a millennium.
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>>14896751
>Pope worship is Christianity
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>>14896789
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>>14896644
You realize God and Hell are real right? You shouldn't decide what to believe based on online memes, it's actually a serious matter. And you certainly shouldn't choose a religion based on which is politically more epicly based.
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>>14897360
>And you certainly shouldn't choose a religion based on which is politically more epicly based.
You kinda should though.
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>>14897360
Nobody decided to believe because of memes dumbass. It's the memes that lead you to read about the history, theology and do actual research
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>>14894724
Read it, it all boils down to points that any former Baptist (like myself) should have dealt with before they seriously considered conversion.
>The EO worship icons!
Icons are windows into heaven, they are a representation of the people God has worked marvelous things through in order to show us His glory. This is a running theme when talking to people about Orthodoxy. Respect/veneration does not equal worship,
>inb4 Icoooner
I have two, they were both gifts and I’m probably going to give one to a friend. 
>They worship Mary!
I had this idea the first time I was invited to a liturgy. It seemed like they brought up Mary a lot. That’s just because in most Protestant churches Mary is brought up maybe twice a year, once around Christmas and once around Mother’s Day. Of course, being used to that, hearing about Mary twice in an hour is a huge increase, but it makes up maybe 1% of the service. Again, I have to bring up that respect doesn’t equal worship. Of course God is the only one that is worthy of worship, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have reverance for anybody else in the Bible. 
>Orthodox churches can become cultural enclaves! 
He’s right, it’s a problem that needs correction, but to pretend that’s it more of a problem in Orthodoxy than Protestantism is laughable. I’ve been a member of a Greek Orthodox church for several years. I don’t have a drop of Greek blood and I can’t speak a word of the language beyond “Christos anesti!”, but that’s never been a problem and I’m perfectly welcome there. The last Baptist church I went to was the complete opposite. I went to a Fundamental Baptist Church because I was sick of the liberal crap the church my family went to was pushing. In the year I was there I saw two couples and another guy like me come and go because if you weren’t in one of the families that had been going there for 20 years you weren’t worth speaking to.
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>>14897549
God bless you, brother, from a cradle Greek Orthodox in North America.
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>>14893670 (OP)
it's the last stage of sedevacantism
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>>14893687
It's basically this generation's "born again" nonsense.

Bunch of fucking aimless, drifters looking for someone to give them direction and purpose.
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>>14894293
Because there's a giant psyop campaign over the internet coming out of Russia to make it seem like a great place doing great things.
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>>14895101
>Give me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them
Their entire mantra is "feels not reals".
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>>14893670 (OP)
My thoughts are that Catholicism has not managed to handle well the modern age post-Vatican II. In trying to appeal to the world and the current age, it's like their tradition/faith demoted itself and instead of being a rock (as Catholics constantly love to claim thanks to their Pope) always holding against the currents of the ages, they became a "hip" and "inclusive" pebble that was taken over.

The culmination is their current borderline heretical Pope trying to avert a new schism regarding the wokist German Catholic bishops. If they lose this battle as well, I foresee an even bigger exodus from everywhere but the most 3rd world countries.

Eastern Orthodoxy with some of the issues that it faces as well, like the one with Russia, is a tradition/faith a lot more steeped on the mystical and traditional. While the Pope for example was paying respect to religious idols from all around the world, most of the Orthodox wanted nothing to do with other denominations to the point of hostility (now I may not agree with this but it gives you the idea) and try to hold strong to their faith at all costs.

This superior stability of the EOC (despite being a pretty decentralized church compared to the Catholic one) can greatly appeal to lost to pieces protestants or disillusioned Catholics.
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>>14893670 (OP)
It's seen as a alternative to the globohomo infiltrated western churches
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reminder all orthodox trads are now reduced to simping for a chinese communist leader to beg him to save russia
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>>14893687
whenever a leftie mentions white people its always with contempt
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>>14894720
Here's your "voice of god", bro
https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2018/may/21/the-pope-says-god-made-gay-people-just-as-we-should-be-heres-why-his-comments-matter
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>>14893687
>defending the gay Pope and Tranny protestants 
Lmao
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>>14899276
stop acting contemptible and people will stop making fun of you for chasing meme religions that you only join to own the libs
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>>14893670 (OP)
for every 1 American who converted to Orthodox Christianity, there are 100 dead believers in Ukraine.
--- 14899877
Is Ubi Petrus actually considered good apologetics against Catholicism? Orthobros rave about him but I watched this video and it was one of the most pretentious, obfuscating things I have ever seen in my life. 80% of it is just reading long quotes of Church Fathers extremely slowly and then saying it furthers his point even if it is completely unrelated. And then he does the gay moving-the-goalposts thing where he says Orthodoxy doesn't have any official teaching on this to avoid taking any vulnerable position.
And he supports Saint Augustine's arguments the entire video only to at the end randomly bring in Saint Basil to BTFO Augustine with a single quote lol to show the superiority of Eastern Christianity
like am I too stupid to see the quality of the arguments?
https://youtu.be/fGO8sXtlHd4 [Embed]
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Has anyone else noticed one thing the Orthodox and Muslims have in common is that they never cite sources or statistics for their claims?
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>>14893812
>>14894724
>>14894622
Yeah it's true. I know this Orthodox guy at my work who told me his entire Orthodox parish is made of Evangelical converts (including himself)
Something has to be done about the Protestant mentality, it just ruins wherever it spreads in Christianity. Prot converts always bring their brain-dead, religious puritanism into the mix. This doesn't just happen to Orthodox; on the Traditional Catholic side you have epic converts from Protestantism like Taylor Marshall encouraging everyone to sperg out
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>>14893670 (OP)
I’d sooner expect Americans to start sacrificing Big Macs to Zeus than for orthodoxy to make up even 10% of the population
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>>14899581
if people talked about minorities the way you talk about whites youd shit your pants in rage, faggot
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>>14894622
Tbh this, I know I can't sell people I know on Catholicism, so I tell them to at least check out Eastern Orthodox since Catholicism has recognized it since the 90s
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>>14901476
the image didn't even mention anything about race yet you're already shitting yours about it you sensitive bitch
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>>14895101
>Give me one thing evangelicalism does that is unique to them that triumphs over orthodoxy, I am waiting
They seem to be way better at missionary work
>>14894622
>Amerimutts are retarded protestants who hate the Catholic church
I don't think that's actually common, it's just that Francis is causing a lot of disillusionment
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>>14896393
>They're really not these trad people, like at all, but the other side of that coin of indifference is not caring about what other people believe or basically respecting it
Not exactly.
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>>14900815
What spergy thing has Taylor Marshall done?
--- 14902359
Converts should just watch Orthodox Ethos with Father Peter Heers so you can develop the proper mentality and get rid of the ridiculous evangelical mindset
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>>14893670 (OP)
Jews
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>>14894720
Someone post the Orthodox version that uses actual theological arguments instead of land-grabbing EU4 autism
--- 14902727
It's hilarious how Orthodoxy makes evangelicucks, tradcaths, Jews and fedoracucks seethe ITT
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>>14900815
> Prot converts always bring their brain-dead, religious puritanism into the mix. 
I couldn’t agree more and I’m exactly that. I’m actually somewhat sympathetic to Californian refugees now because it’s the same mindset. Even though I know good and well protestantism is awful and I’ve seen how its’ principles destroy a church I still catch myself thinking every once in a while, “Would it really be so bad if Orthodoxy did X ?”. I’m extremely careful about never voicing these thoughts, but I know there are plenty of others who aren’t.
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>>14902727
>Be unpopular contrarian losers
>jokes on you, we like being unpopular contrarian losers 

You'll lose your convert zeal and find something else to convert too soon enough
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>>14903197
I'm Greek, faggot. It's not Orthodoxy's fault proteniggers made a mockery out of Christianity and indirectly birthed fedora atheism or how Catholics shit the bed with Papal infallibility. Orthodoxy is older than any of your meme denominations, so don't be surprised when believers flock to it.
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>>14903217
>I'm Greek,
I'm so sorry. It must suck to have such an illustrious history and be rendered so low in the modern age that your only friends are retarded zoomers joining your faith out of sheer contrarianism instead of out of any sense of sincere religious revelation. Don't worry, they'll move on soon enough and you can go back to being just another irrelevant religious minority
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>>14903217
Palamism is a heresy. Barlaam had to convert to Catholicism because of such blasphemous smut.
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>>14893687
>>14893700
>>14893710
>>14893796
Kikes absolutely seething in this thread. Dont worry, we will try to make 110 as painless and swift as possible
--- 14904003
>protestant Americans turning Orthodox Christian
>Latin Americans turning protestant Christian

So who's turning Catholic and where?
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>>14904003
>So who's turning Catholic and where?
afriKANGZ
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>>14904003
>>14904016
This, I'll probably go down with the Catholic ship, but that is where I see things trending. I'll keep encouraging American Protestants to go into Eastern Orthodoxy because that at least makes ecumenicalism more viable
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>>14904133
>American Protestants to go into Eastern Orthodoxy
All they'll do is subvert it from within