----- --- 14900632 >during the German advance on Dunkirk in WW2 they dropped tons of these leaflets imploring British and French soldiers to surrender >it worked and most did Why didn’t the Germans do their first “bombing raid” over britain by dropping millions of leaflets imploring British citizens to tell their MPs to negotiate a peace instead of fighting a pointless war? --- 14900682 British were ready to surrender anyway, the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile, while British hated Germans. Seelöwe plan never existed, Hitler cucked germs out of victory with Dunkirk. Civilian population doesn't care for anything as long as there is bread. --- 14900687 >>14900634 >fake map on the right --- 14900698 >>14900687 >fake Huh? It’s the real one. They were telling the French and British to surrender. Wouldn’t be wise to only print it in English Left is from the Dunkirk movie I think --- 14900700 >>14900682 >the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile If only fuhrer listen… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement --- 14900712 >>14900634 It's interesting how the messages addressed to the French and to the British differ. Comrades! This is how things are! In any case, the war is over for you! Your chiefs will flee by plane! (?) Put down your arms! --- 14900714 >>14900682 Degrelle talks about it at around 30 minutes into the interview, German parachuters and pilots that somehow survived being shot down over Britain in 1940 were finding empty airstrips with not a single military post nearby, every single soldier they had was in Dunkirk at the time. It shows the retardation of German high staff command to not take the advantage instead they let them all go. >>14900700 >actually obeys the treaty throughout the war >neglects the kriegsmarine to sway the anglo >loses --- 14900720 >>14900714 >throughout the war >1935 --- 14900729 >>14900712 I mean, they were right weren’t they? British could just retreat home French leadership had time to flee and set up a government in exile in Britain. Hence De Gaulle --- 14900731 >>14900720 He did obey it, Bismarck was shit. I really recommend watching Degrelle interview. It can show you Hitler in a new light - an Anglophile, retarded and gullible. --- 14900742 10 posts in and no one gave OP any Yous based --- 14901134 >>14900714 Which interview --- 14901500 >>14900682 >British were ready to surrender anyway I dont think surrender means what you think it means. The British were never ready to surrender. >the problem was that Hitler was an Anglophile, while British hated Germans. The problems was that Hitler and his cult followers believe Britain should or must have care about some flattering words that were benefitial to Hitlers own ambitions. >Seelöwe plan never existed, Because the very idea of invading Britain was an absurd comical fantasy. >Hitler cucked germs out of victory with Dunkirk. By failing to prevent the allies from escaping? >Civilian population doesn't care for anything as long as there is bread. Is that why public support increased during the blockade of food and city bombings? --- 14901666 >>14900632 (OP) The Germans did drop leaflets over Britain. It didn't have a noticeable effect. --- 14901675 >>14901500 >By failing to prevent the allies from escaping? Manstein was in favor of attacking but Rommel, Hitler, and the majority of other commentors all agreed it would have not been worth while. As OP stated, many surrendered and the attempt to move through the lower land marshes would have delayed movements elsewhere. --- 14902030 >>14900714 Degrelle is a moron and even if the Germans had magically figured this out and successfully pulled off a huge airborne invasion with no prior training, it'd still have failed without an open naval supply line - which the Germans could have never created, let alone maintained a few thousand parachutists would have shocked Britain and made a few minor gains before running out of supplies and surrendering to the mobilized home guard --- 14902050 >>14900632 (OP) and do you have anything to back up the claim most did --- 14902231 >>14901666 Post them. --- 14902239 >>14902231 Are you stupid? Of course they dropped leaflets. Everyone dropped leaflets. In the USSR you would be executed for merely picking one up --- 14902261 >>14901675 I'm quite certain that the anon I was quoting was going to sperg out how Hitler "allowed" the British to escape because he is Hitler and he only wanted peace and stability and he is perfect and he wanted to show his big heart for the British people. --- 14902299 >>14902239 Ok, but just post them. I believe you, I just wanna see them. --- 14902316 >>14900634 Why are the French called warmly comrades while the Brits were just coldly called "soldiers"? --- 14902326 >>14900632 (OP) >it worked and most did The French only surrendered after the British had successfully ran away They held for a whole week to protect the escape, and during that week they lost 16,000 dead (as a comparison, America lost 50,000 dead in 20 years in Vietnam) --- 14902331 >>14900682 In the Battle of France, Germans captured 1.7 million troops and caused 300k casualties, only 300k escaped at Dunkirk. The Western Allies never fielded such numbers again. Seelöwe probably would've worked and should've been done even at the cost of losses. --- 14902332 >>14902299 In 1940 the leaflets dropped were basically a wall of text about how Britain and Germany shouldnt fight. Most British looked at it and went tldr. This isnt suprising, anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows how shit Hitler was at formulating himself. I've tried twice and still havent finished the book. The ones dropped at 1944 were more desperate and on point, telling the British that they're fighting and dying for the victory of marxism and the end of western civilization by the hands of Stalin. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/collecting-german-air-dropped-leaflets-britain --- 14902338 >>14902332 >Most British looked at it and went tldr. This is sad. Europe in 1900 was an intellectual powerhouse, it was already over in 1918 when all the good genes were wiped out. --- 14902373 >>14902331 >only 300k escaped at Dunkirk. And an additional 200k in other french cities. These men were also the best trained, most experienced and well equipt of the British forces. >The Western Allies never fielded such numbers again. The British 21st Army in France 1944 was over a million men strong. >Seelöwe probably would've worked and should've been done How was it going to work? Should the German soldiers swim? Are they going to be supplied by pidgeons? --- 14902397 >>14902338 Is reading a poorly written propaganda a testimony of good genes? --- 14902503 >>14902373 >The British 21st Army in France 1944 was over a million men strong. One million is less than two. >>14902373 >How was it going to work? Should the German soldiers swim? Are they going to be supplied by pidgeons? Germany had air superiority in the initial stages, the Fallschirmjägers could capture British airports and docks and allow fast moving armour to be unloaded and Blitz across England. This would allow for very quick unloading of troops and supplies until the operational range of British aircraft was pushed so far North that they could only offer support as far as London at best. Even losing >75% of transport ships, Germany would still win and capture all the supplies in Empire's supplies in London. >Source: I did it in HoI3. --- 14902509 >>14902397 Mein Kampf was not poorly written, did you forget that you were reading a translation? --- 14902511 at least you made it obvious you are trolling now --- 14902544 >>14902511 I'm pointing out he fact that your arm chair generaling is just as pointless as any. Unironically even HoI is a better argument it's at least based on a simulation model and not pure make belief of an untouchable Britain which was conquered by a handful of normans tranported with wooden boats. In modern warfare the Brits lost 4x the men in the Battle of Crete despite outnumbering the Axis. Of course island invasions can be done, I don't know where this myth comes from. --- 14902592 >>14902503 >Germany had air superiority in the initial stages, Except the Germans never had air superiority over the British channel and lost the Battle for Britain because the British out-produced them, were technologically superior, were tactically superior, could train more pilots and retain more experienced pilots, and scored more victories than the germans.' >the Fallschirmjägers could capture British airports and docks How are you going to fly over dozens of thousands of men without air superiority. How are you going to supply them without air superiority? A division can only hold out for about week before running out of ammunition. How are they going to stand up against the million man strong British home army? >capture British airports and docks and allow fast moving armour to be unloaded and Blitz across England. How are these armour getting across the channel? How do you maintain a supply line across the channel? >Even losing >75% of transport ships, Germany would still win What transport ships? --- 14902653 >>14902332 >telling the British that they're fighting and dying for the victory of marxism and the end of western civilization Where's the lie? It turned out to be true. The British soldiers would have been absolutely horrified if they could have seen the UK we know today. --- 14902694 >>14902653 Probably But you're comparing nearly 80 years apart. People fighting the Napoleon war would likely react the same to ww1 or the colonization of Africa. Most of the cultural marxism I assume you're refering to happened in the last 15 years. Some western nations had racial segregation up until the 90s --- 14902708 >>14902592 Then how come they bombed 13 airstrips and numerous aircraft factories in and around London virtually unopposed? The only initial successes the RAF had was in destroying the Norwegian based fleet attacking Northern England. Basically Görings retarded decision to pull back Junkers is what turned the tide as well as a general lack of pilots. British historians agree with me: >In The Narrow Margin, published in 1961, historians Derek Wood and Derek Dempster believed that the two weeks from 24 August to 6 September represented a real danger. According to them, from 24 August to 6 September 295 fighters had been totally destroyed and 171 badly damaged, against a total output of 269 new and repaired Spitfires and Hurricanes. They assert that 103 pilots were killed or missing and 128 were wounded, which represented a total wastage of 120 pilots per week out of a fighting strength of just fewer than 1,000. They conclude that during August no more than 260 fighter pilots were turned out by OTUs and casualties in the same month were just over 300. A full squadron establishment was 26 pilots whereas the average in August was 16. In their assessment, the RAF was losing the battle.[228] Denis Richards, in his 1953 contribution to the official British account History of the Second World War, agreed that lack of pilots, especially experienced ones, was the RAF's greatest problem. He states that between 8 and 18 August 154 RAF pilots were killed, severely wounded, or missing, while only 63 new pilots were trained. Availability of aircraft was also a serious issue. While its reserves during the Battle of Britain never declined to a half dozen planes as some later claimed, Richards describes 24 August to 6 September as the critical period because during these two weeks Germany destroyed far more aircraft through its attacks on 11 Group's southeast bases than Britain was producing. Three more weeks of such a pace would indeed have exhausted aircraft reserves --- 14902720 >>14902653 >be british soldier in the second world war >get surrounded in Dunkirk >Germans try to get you to surrender to safe your own life >refuse to do so >lots of your friends die while trying to escape but you survive >the Germans are trying to tell you that they just want peace so they can fight the soviets >don't care in that moment >later get deployed in Normandy >Germans are telling you how you're dooming western civilization >Germans are saying how they're the last hope against leftist subversion and degeneracy >Don't listen then >win the war >first years after the war are good >get lots of benefits for being a veteran >get lots of respect for having fought >start working a decent job >buy a car >buy a house >have a family >suddenly you hear new music playing on the radio >they're talking about "free love" and making fun of the religious values you hold dear >crime is going up >strange people from other countries are showing up in the streets >your traditional neighborhood is bulldozed and replaced with highways and appartment blocks for the immigrants >you get fired from your job because its shipped overseas >retire, think its going to get better >your grandkids are hating you because you don't support homosexuality >while buying groceries a dark skinned man approaches you >he demands your wallet >when you don't comply he stabs you to death and tells the police you were calling him a nigger so he had to defend himself >police drop all charges while you are lying on the floor bleeding to death >you contemplate your life choices >"maybe we fought the wrong people back then..." --- 14902726 >>14902544 except for the fact they had no way of actually holding those air bases and ports, especially since their supply lines would be severely disrupted since they never had that level of air control, if you want a modern example of unsupported ariel drop in the enemies heartland just look at Russias air drop units at the start of the Ukraine war, and all of that still doesn't change the fact they had no way of taking the channel, trying to unironically use fucking HOI as an argument is retarded since its a vidya were player fun takes precedent even if its no where near realistic, because who would play a map painting game if your ability to paint said map is severely hampered by the fact you will nearly always fail to take an island --- 14902781 >>14902720 Germans didn't just want Brits to surrender, they wanted them to shake off Rothschild control too. --- 14902786 >>14902726 Again though, they won at with fewer troops Crete using precisely that strategy. Destroyed 40 British ships too. --- 14902836 >>14902708 What is it that you dont understand? The German airforce was taking heavier losses and had fewer replacements than the British. It's really that simple. The UK lost roughly 1k aircrafts. Germany lost roughtly 2k The British were steadily replacing their losses. They produced over twice as many aircrafts as they lost. Germany couldnt replace theirs. Germany lost roughly 2500 pilots Britain lost roughly 500 pilots The pilots were the most skilled and most experienced of Germany. The British pilots got better and better while the Germans had to constantly train new recruits. Meanwhile german pilots who survived began suffering from combat trauma since chances were high they would be killed or captured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanalkrankheit Theres also the question of aviation fuel which costed far more to produce and were far more draining for Germany than it did for Britain since Germany relied on synthetic plants. Also, the battle couldnt continue any longer, since weather would make it impossible after September. Another reason to abort. >Then how come they bombed 13 airstrips and numerous aircraft factories in and around London virtually unopposed? At no point were they unopposed. Bombing the airfields didnt matter at all. The German bombers didnt have enough payload nor the precision to destroy the airfields. Most bombers didnt even locate their targets. The British were also using provisional airfields in the countryside. In fact, the allied bombers also did not have the accuracy, hence one of the reason why they switched to "dehousing" bombing over Germany instead of precise industrial bombing. >Basically Görings retarded decision to pull back Junkers If you're refering to the Junker 88s then it made perfect sense since they were useless because they didnt have the capacity to destroy their targets, and they were too slow to engage British fighters. >tldr You stil havent explained how you're going to invade Britain. --- 14902840 >>14900632 (OP) >You --- 14902862 >>14902720 >>socialists are saying how they're the last hope against leftist subversion --- 14902878 >>14902720 >Nazis dont start a world war >Nazis dont genocide minorities >2020 Europe still has a positive view of nationalism and racial awareness. Jews are not given a blank cheque to say and do everything they want. People arent shunned or compared to Hitler because they call out gypsies and african migrants for their behaviour. Europe has a much more enforced border policy. Right wing conservatives are much more populare and everyone agrees on a strong nation state and homogenous society. The left has a much harder time arguing against traditionalism. --- 14902884 >>14902836 Your entire wall of text does not alter anything I said at all. I was already aware of every single thing you posted. --- 14902889 >>14902884 Good. So we've established the fact that Germany never had, not was able to achieve air superiority. Now explain how they're going to move units across the channel. --- 14902911 >>14902889 No. We established the fact that you agree with Göring. I disagree with you both and would sacrifice the Junkers to bomb the aircraft industry and power infrastructure in Southern Britain instead of wasting time in the North. Additionally sacrifice the u-boats to control the channel. Of course Germany had a continent's worth of resources to produce more aircraft and pilots. The high command simply didn't want to and instead shifted focus to the Balkans. --- 14903014 >>14902911 >bomb the aircraft industry and power infrastructure in Southern Britain They tried that. They werent able to destroy the industries, just as the allies were not able to destroy the German industries later in the war despite dropping 1000x times more explosives over German cities. It did not stop german fighter production. Attempting to bomb specific targets was when the German airforce sustained its most dramatic losses. The fighter pilots had to fly slower and without initiative to cover the German bombers which gave the British fighters an immediate and fatal tactical edge. Escorting bombers drained more fuel as they had to fly slower. A german fighter many times only had roughly 10 minutes above Britain before being forced to turn back or risk ditching in the sea. If this pilot was still engaged in a fight when forced to turn back, he would virtually become a free kill for the British fighter. >Additionally sacrifice the u-boats to control the channel. How are Uboats going to ferry troops for the invasion? >Of course Germany had a continent's worth of resources to produce more aircraft and pilots You mean the fairly resource meager Europe vs .... the entire British empire and the entire world as its trading partner? --- 14903032 >>14902911 Here, I made this one just for you --- 14904168 >>14904164 --- 14904408 >>14902720 Is there any real life example of this happening? --- 14904511 >>14904408 /pol/ retards generally assume the world is just going to stop in a Germany victory timeline. A murderous and enslaving state like that with a very educated middle class and western culture wouldnt last long. It would have been held together by the old generation of political hardliners. Eventually a younger generation would take over and immediately begin to change all the fundamentally immoral aspects of the state. Want a reference? This is exactly what happened to the USSR. In the 80s the USSR had like 4 different leaders in less than a year because they were all old and kept dying. Once the new generation like Yeltsin and Gorbachev came to power it was clear they saw things differently despite their die-hard communist peers and despite heavy indoctrination and acceptance to communism. Nevermind the fact that Germany has always been the center of spawning political theorists, often extremely left leaning liberals. Several fascist states survived ww2. None survived time. As soon as the people who created the state died, it immediately reformed into its natural culturally-western self. --- 14904943 >>14904511 NSDAP were centrists though, socialists are left of libertarian capitalists, right of extremist communists. --- 14904956 >>14902316 French had a lot more reason to hate the Germans so they needed more convincing probably. Britain obviously lost a lot of men to Germany in WW1 but it was never some personal national revenge. Like France being upset over Alsace Lorraine --- 14904967 >>14902509 Meiji Kampf is poorly written but I’d put most of the blame for that on Rudolf Hess Hitler was either incapable of writing it himself or too lazy