----- --- 14901115 In the early 1900s, Germany had a bargain with Egypt where its archeologists could dig up ancient stuff. They would then make a list of what they found, the Egyptians would examine the list, and approve of certain objects being taken back to museums in Germany. A German archeologist discovered the Bust of Nefertiti, lied about it on the report, and took it to Germany. Since then, Imperial Germany, Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany, West Germany, and modern Germany have all refused demands by Egypt to return the bust, making it the only foreign policy decision all five states agree upon. --- 14901118 >>14901115 (OP) thats because its a forgery --- 14901454 >>14901115 (OP) >Western archaeologists orchestrated the massive sampling on the best remaining works of art in the early 20th century. Aside from their colonial outlook, one of their alleged motivations was to protect these works of arts from vandalism due to Islamic iconoclasm and the depredations of treasure hunters. >Most of the dismantled panels were sent to the Museum für Indische Kunst, Berlin, Germany, but ironically and tragically many were lost in the destructions of World War II, with only photographs or drawings remaining in the best cases. About the Kizil Caves. Given the current situation in Europe it's somewhat reasonable for thirdies to want their artifacts back but it's also hard to complain in cases like these, any archaeologist seeing art near Muslims would likely smuggle it to Europe immediately. The sad part is that even nowadays Chinese tourists are still ravaging the place. I don't think there will ever be any safe places for relics. Maybe if South America could get its shit together and stop burning their own museums down, but that's a pipe dream. --- 14901473 >>14901454 >any archaeologist seeing art near Muslims would likely smuggle it to Europe immediately. That's a weak justification for theft. Especially since we have to this day westerners who try to smuggle out goods. One Italian man in Malindi, Kenya stole religious idols still in used within sacred forests. He not only refused to give them back but justified it by saying they weren't using it anymore. not that people who made those idols stopped placing them in the forest because of reality that they got gypped The only reason why the Nubian pyramids were in ruins was because an Italian bombed them in search of treasures. --- 14901505 >>14901473 Source on the Nubian pyramids? --- 14901564 >>14901473 >The destruction was carried out in stages. Initially, the statues were fired at for several days using anti-aircraft guns and artillery. This caused severe damage, but did not obliterate them. During the destruction, Taliban Information Minister Qudratullah Jamal said that, "The destruction work is not as easy as people would think. You can't knock down the statues by dynamite or shelling as both of them have been carved in a cliff. They are firmly attached to the mountain." Later, the Taliban placed anti-tank mines at the bottom of the niches, so that when fragments of rock broke off from artillery fire, the statues would receive additional destruction from particles that set off the mines. In the end, the Taliban lowered men down the cliff face and placed explosives into holes in the Buddhas. After one of the explosions failed to obliterate the face of one of the Buddhas, a rocket was launched that left a hole in the remains of the stone head. This is all the justification anyone should need. --- 14901579 >>14901564 >talking about egyptian antiquities >quotes out the afghani taliban ??? --- 14901590 >>14901579 read the thread again --- 14902449 >>14901115 (OP) Ok --- 14902569 >>14901579 >Al-Aziz Uthman (1171–1198), the second Ayyubid Sultan of Egypt, tried to destroy the Giza pyramid complex. He gave up after only damaging the Pyramid of Menkaure because the task proved too large. Happy now? --- 14903108 >>14902569 >(1171–1198) --- 14903241 >>14902569 >there is considerable evidence of popular local pride in monuments such as the Giza Pyramids and the Sphinx, so much that these monuments were never destroyed out of the fear of causing riots.[2] The monuments of Pharaonic Egypt were generally seen as possessing magical powers and were viewed as objects of respect by ordinary Egyptians, despite the fact that the Koran execrates ancient Egypt as an especially reprehensible period of jahiliyyah.[3] As late as 1378, it was reported that nominally Muslim peasants would go burn incense at night in front of the Sphinx while uttering prayers which were said to empower the Sphinx to speak, which led a Sufi holy man to attack the Sphinx.[2] Local legends claimed the attack on the Sphinx led to a massive sand storm at Giza, which only ended with the holy man's lynching. >In Egypt, the popular belief that the Pyramids and the Sphinx together with the other ruins of ancient Egypt had magical powers did much to ensure their survival with one 13th century Muslim writer, Jamal al-Din al-Idrisi, warning that to destroy the Pyramids would unleash dark supernatural forces that would cause such carnage that horses would wade in human blood, leading him to the conclusion that the Pyramids were best left alone.[4] Such beliefs about the magical powers said to be invested in the ruins of ancient Egypt testified to a certain popular pride in and reverence for the ancient past of Egypt.[3] In the same way, Egyptians in the Middle Ages invented a story that the Pharaoh mentioned in the Book of Exodus and in the Koran was not an Egyptian, but rather an Iranian, in an attempt to salvage pride in the ancient past despite the way the Koran condemns it.[4] To prevent the destruction of the ruins, medieval Egyptians usually "Islamized" the ruins by inventing stories associating them with the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad or local Sufi saints, thereby turning them into quasi-Islamic sites that could not be destroyed.[3] --- 14903287 >>14901115 (OP) (OP) Why wouldnt the onions governments we have today give it back? --- 14903333 >>14903108 >muslims aren't stuck in the middle ages --- 14903363 >>14903108 >>14903241 Is this supposed to be some sort of rebuttal to the matter at hand? It doesn't even logically connect to my post --- 14903376 >>14903363 lmfao the shitskin can't read --- 14903381 >>14903376 Who is fighting who right now? What's your position here? --- 14903484 >>14903363 Im pointing out that Egyptians have been protecting their antiquities even during the middle ages, most if not all the destruction was done by the foreign Caliphs trying to draw a comparison between Egypt and taliban afghanistan is retarded --- 14903516 >>14903484 Posting that Egyptian commoners had to invent complex larps to show how the pagan temples are ackshually Islamic doesn't refute the point that Islam is an active danger to them by any stretch. The pyramids right now are not threatened since Egypt depends upon tourism, but a scenario where it collapses into civil war and retarded salafists destroy things isn't even unimaginable, and that's the point. --- 14903620 >>14903516 >doesn't refute the point that Islam is an active danger to them by any stretch. it shows that the people themselves care about them enough to protect them, trying to ignore the reality of egyptian culture and commoner outlook for some sect of islam that a small schizo minority believes in is very flimsy its like saying antiquities cant be trusted in western nations in europe because of the constant riots/wars in the past >>14901454 >where it collapses into civil war Le egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it --- 14903636 >>14903516 It proves that the beliefs held in Islam about antiquities are not always translated into destructive action against them --- 14903641 >>14903620 Antiquities should probably not be held in the Balkans or Russia either, yes. >Le egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it You are mentally retarded and either missing or deliberately evading the point >>14903636 Puyi proves that the beliefs held in communism about aristocrats are not always translated into killing them, yet you would clearly be retarded to remain in a communist country as an aristocrat. --- 14903728 >>14901115 (OP) Actually I have it in animal crossing --- 14903740 >>14901454 I think the Taliban destroying the Buddhas in Afghanistan says enough >>14901473 >black people and africa No one cares about that irrelevant shit --- 14903822 >>14901118 If it's a forgery then why does Egypt want it back so bad? Probably just to destroy it because it looks too white and they can't cope. --- 14903829 >>14903822 >it because it looks too white the fuck --- 14903836 >>14903740 I hope niggers jump you at school tomorrow Chang --- 14903839 >>14903740 >I think the Taliban destroying the Buddhas in Afghanistan says enough that was based because it made chuds like you seethe --- 14903899 >>14901115 (OP) >In December 2009, Friederike Seyfried, director of Berlin's Egyptian Museum and Papyrus Collection, presented to the Egyptians documents held by the museum regarding the discovery of the bust, which include a protocol signed by the German excavator and the Egyptian Antiquities Service. In the documents, the bust was listed as a painted plaster bust of a princess, but in his diary, Borchardt clearly referred to it as the head of Nefertiti. "This proves that Borchardt wrote this description so that his country can get the statue," Hawass said. "These materials confirm Egypt's contention that (he) did act unethically with intent to deceive." However, Hawass said Egypt didn't consider the bust to be a looted antiquity. "I really want it back," he said.[39] His statement also said that the authority to approve the return of the bust to Egypt lies with the Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation and the German culture minister.[53] So they were too lazy and basically didn't bother to check the list. "plaster bust of a princess" is pretty fucking significant. They never cared about the history before until they realised its worth tourist money. >>14903241 This paragraph is literally mixing pride with fear. These are the grave robbers that tore the marbel off the pyramids. They never associated with it, they just feared it. It's the same thing with the Nafturian ruins, the superstitious Muslims fear it too much to fuck with it. --- 14903910 >>14903620 >Le egypt civil war meme has been parroted since 2013 and literally nothing came of it Le Syrian civil war meme has been parroted since 2008 --- 14903929 >>14903899 retard >Nafturian retard --- 14903930 >westerners don't bring enough aid to our starving children >say you'll destroy the buddha statues if they don't bring money >they offer to buy the statues instead, giving you more than enough to feed the entire country >instead you spend several millions of dollars worth in missiles shooting at the buddha for an entire week euroids absolutely btfo --- 14903939 >>14903836 We’re talking about actual historical artifacts that have cultural weight as they are tied to ancient civilizations, not Chief Peepee Tûtû’s bongo drums he plays before rallying his child soldiers to butcher a village of pygmies. >>14903839 >destroy history to own le chuds Mao is that you? --- 14903952 >>14903822 >it looks too white it doesn't particularly "white" sweety, unfortunately for yt pipo, you're not special, sandniggers are your racial brothers and sisters and share your features --- 14904113 >>14903899 >So they were too lazy and basically didn't bother to check the list. "plaster bust of a princess" is pretty fucking significant If you go on to read that article, it says he wrapped it up and let a guy vaguely look at the box, knowing he'd be too lazy to examine something that was already packed up, because he knew instantly the bust's value and wanted to downplay it to the Egyptians. --- 14904120 >>14903822 lol what, it looks a copt woman --- 14904183 >>14903930 >they offer to buy the statues instead, giving you more than enough to feed the entire country a couple millions is nothing though. Getting sanctioned by NATO and then some European fuckers saying they want to pay for some old ass statues would piss anyone off --- 14904186 >>14903484 Lmfao why you even need to explain yourself What a cuck --- 14904204 >>14903829 >>14903952 >>14904120 The people who built the Great Pyramids were white. --- 14904255 >>14903641 What about western europe or germany? that part of the world has seen plenty of conflict >>14903910 you are retarded if you think the political structure or demographics of egypt is anything like syria Egypt is vastly more homogenous and centralized --- 14904528 >>14904204 we were kings and stuff dude!