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--- 2560605
Why do /out/istics hate hammocks? I prefer hammocks to tents so long as it's more than 0C desu. Especially on multiday hikes
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>>2560605 (OP)
we hate everything, m8. i'm also aware of the fact that my preferences are not only the best way, but also the only acceptable one.
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>>2560605 (OP)
There are a few reasons.

>Europeans
There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man. Also hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town, which is the most common type of European “hiking.”

>autistics
The concept of the exception isn’t easily understood by people with severe autism (aka the majority of /out). That’s where the comments about deserts and being above tree line come in. Having the inability to understand the basic mindset of others, they fail to grasp that we know about the exceptions.

>larpers and GI Joe cosplayers
The military and YouTube survivalists haven’t really adopted hammocks as a go-to shelter just yet. Until they do, /out/ and /k/ will continue to suggest using bivies.

There are a minority of people who once strung a 9’ AliExpress hammock banjo string tight, couldn’t sleep in it, and decided it’s not for them.
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My back doesn't like being shaped like a banana for 8 hours

Restricted to areas with trees a certain distance apart, and this puts you in areas with other hammock enjoyers, or so far out away that it interferes with other plans

Dealing with tying certain knots is not bad after a long day out, but untying in the morning is annoying. 

Last outing was with friends, 3 with tents, 1 with hammock, tent guys had to compromise our spots to be near certain trees with that certain distance apart. It's just unnecessary when a foam pad + inflatable weigh the same as a hammock, netting, and cord
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>>2560632
Damn, I forgot to add actual retards like >>2560636 to the list.

>banana
No
>knots
Lol
>trees certain distance apart
LMAO!
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>>2560605 (OP)
>womb simulator for overgrown babies
no thanks boss.
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>>2560632
>Europeans
i live in Norway so can't speak to the lack of right to roam in the rest of the continent, but they sell plenty of good hammocks here, including Hennessey. But hell even the cheaper stuff gets the job done 
The rest sounds about right though. 
>>2560636
Skill issue. If you set it up right you can sleep straight or even on your side no problem. And finding a good tent spot is way harder than a good hammock spot. But yeah when with friends it's ofc better to tent together in large tents
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>>2560649
Cheap hammocks are rarely over 10’ long. I’m 6’ 1”, the appropriate height for an adult man. If a hammock is less than 11’ long my feet hang off the end.
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>>2560632
>Also hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town, which is the most common type of European “hiking.”
Huh, wonder on which continet I've been hiking, then.
Pic related being from a nature reserve up north I visted and hiked in last summer. 80kms in 3 days walking up and down multiple fells and ridges.
I do use hammocks in the south, in the north there are no trees to hang anything from.
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>>2560648
Nobody said anything about getting a gf
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>>2560655
I'm 6'4. Some are a bit small but it's not hard to find a big one. And even with a small one, who cares if your feet are off the edge? You're in a sleeping bag and wearing wool socks most of the time anyway. Worst case, put a pillow or some clothes under your knees and it's fine
--- 2560663
>>2560661
>who cares
I care. 
>sleeping bag in a hammock
No
>socks while sleeping
Bro, do you even hike?

It’s only an issue when I’m stretching out and relaxing in the afternoon or in the morning. When I sleep I end up curled up on my side. It actually works out well because I can use a 3/4 length underquilt.
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>>2560632
Dull arguments

>There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man.
The sad fact is that Americans pay $200 for a sheet of nylon.

Order 350x160 sheet of 70D nylon for $25. Fold in and overhand knot the ends. Tie loops to the ends. Attach straps to the loops with carabiners. Have yourself a hammock. Made me sell the Warbonnets again.
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>>2560636
>Dealing with tying certain knots is not bad after a long day out, but untying in the morning is annoying.
Nylon straps and carabiners. Not only is it much, much, much easier to deal with it's also much kinder to the trees. Also makes for a simple way to vary the length of your hang.
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>>2560663
>When I sleep I end up curled up on my side.
Like a baby. Chads sleep on their backs
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>>2560665
>$200
Imagine being so poor you think that’s a lot of money. Anyway, hammocks from cottage manufacturers are closer to $50. 

>just make one
Europeans can’t into DIY. It’s very strange, considering the lack of cottage manufacturers.
>out of 70D
Damn, and I thought Americans were fat
>just tie the ends
Anon, while I admire your willingness to tell people to do things that you would never bother doing, this isn’t necessarily good advice. Without hemming the sides, there’s a good chance it will tear.

TBDesu, if you have access to a sewing machine, even one you don’t own, a hammock is the easiest DIY thing you can sew. It’s all straight lines on a rectangle of fabric. 
>160cm
Is that right? Is it a nominal measurement? Nearly all ripstop nylon in the US is 60” wide (152cm), though I know there’s some 2.2oz, 70d that’s like 74”/188cm. Maybe 160cm is including selvage?
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>>2560729
Somethings off with your brain. Better get it checked out.
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>>2560729
>Europeans can’t into DIY
This is nonsense. The thing is more that you can get a reasonable chinesium hammock for much less than the materials and time of making one (at the low end) or you can just buy a pretty decent one from a manufacturer if you have a job.
I will agree that some other kinds of DIY are less common here, but that's usually because the space to have a woodshop in your home is extortionately expensive.
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>>2560641
>banana
>no

Elaborate on this for me please. Bivy camper with a bad back thinking about making the switch but this seems like a sound argument.
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>>2560764
Get a reasonable tautness
Lie at a 45deg angle to the ridgeline for more straightness
Sleep on your side
You do have to hammock right, just like anything /out/.
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>>2560764
With a properly hung hammock, you don’t sleep in a banana shape. You let the hammock sag, and sleep diagonally across it. The hammock opens up, and you lie nearly flat. Most people sleep on their sides in a hammock, and I’ve met a few old folks who legitimately couldn’t sleep on the ground because of various old folk issues. Hammocks allowed them to camp. 

Here’s a Shug video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cvj0ISjzl8 [Embed]
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>>2560663
Take the sock pill anon, you won't regret it. They have to be fresh socks ofc
--- 2560972
>hate is a four letter word
>camp is a four letter word 
>tarp is a four letter word
>hike is a four letter word
>tent is a four letter word
>pack is a four letter word
>tree is a four letter word 
>hammock is a seven letter word
one of these things doesn't belong

>>2560663
>>2560803
heat holders socks might sound like a meme but they are so comfy because they are warm and loose on the feet but stay on
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>>2560803
I guess if I lived in a really cold environment I’d probably be on board. The foot box on my quilt has been plenty enough down to the mid 20’s. If it gets colder than that I can just wait till the next weekend and it will be 30° warmer because it’s the South and the weather is retarded.
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>>2560632
>hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town

European here, you can easily hide a hammock near a very frequented trail and be unedetected. Of course, you have to not be a big retard and not sleep right next to the road, or at eye level. 3/4 of the height of a tree is often the best if you manage to climb, and it keeps you an your stuff away from other humans and the occasional boar.
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>>2560605 (OP)
What is it with all these boomers online saying that hammocks fix their back problems. I'm tall and have lower back problems and every time I've woken up in a hammock my lower back has been sore. I use the warbonnet blackbird which is supposedly the most comfortable hammock on the market
--- 2561044
>>2560605 (OP)
Can't imagine they're viable for anyone bringing a friend. These days I go camping with my wife and when I was at uni inviting a girl out was my go-to way of getting in her pants. Hammocks would kill that, no?
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>>2561044
No.
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>>2560605 (OP)
Tents are too comfy, fuck hammocks

Why would I want to be zipped into a small sack that is tied to some trees? In a tent I can cook on my stove, read a book, lay down, and do 50 fuckin pushups. Weight of tent: 4.6 pounds
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>>2561202
>I can’t cook or do pushups under an 11x9 tarp
Lol
>I can’t lie down in a hammock
Are you ok?
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>>2561216
Tents are much better than hammocks for many reasons, that is what I said.
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>>2561216
Can wank in them
--- 2561261
>>2561220
You implied that tents are better without giving any actual reasons. And I don’t think you can do 50 consecutive push-ups.
--- 2561310
>>2560665
The biggest issues will be underquilts and tarps, not the hammock body.
--- 2561311
I built a hammock stand for my bedroom, sleeping in it every night has cured my back pain.
--- 2561339
>>2560605 (OP)
I prefer a tent for many reasons
>better in foul weather
>I can dump my backpack out inside
>I can sit up or lay down
the list goes on..
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>>2560655
>6’ 1”, the appropriate height for an adult man
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>>2561020
>I use the warbonnet blackbird which is supposedly the most comfortable hammock on the market
nah, that would be the haven tent hammock.
--- 2561359
>>2560663
>Doesn't wear socks while camping 
Breh what? Why not? 
Keep a big warm pair in your bag a d only wear it for sleeping. Game changer in the winter
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>>2560632
>they hated him because he was right
--- 2561382
My hammock, I am up high because the river has salmon and brown bears. At night I hear all kinds of spooky shit outside and I feel like a burrito. But if the "animal" tries to get you the hammock spins around like youtube related making you almost impossible for you to eat. But they spin you around so much it's hard to get out, took me about a half hour once. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RLEVuEscdw [Embed]
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Most people are not creatures of reason
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>>2561382
Burrito, the ultimate defense.
--- 2561385
My area's trees (which are often closer to shrubs) are not suitable for hammocks. I usually go for a bivvy. Given how dry it is here condensation is not really a problem.
--- 2561386
>>2560632
>The military and YouTube survivalists haven’t really adopted hammocks as a go-to shelter just yet.

The military has to take into account the issue of stealth which most hikers do not care about.
--- 2561387
>>2561384
He must be a spic. I feel more like a soba sandwich.
--- 2561389
>>2561384
I used to keep a fire going but it didn't help.
>>2561387
>salmon
>brown bears
>forest
>He must be a spic.
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>>2561339
>muh weather
Wrong
>empty my pack out
Why can’t you do that with a hammock?
>I can’t sit up in a hammock
wut? See pic and explain why it’s so complicated.
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>>2561414
>Why can’t you do that with a hammock?
Emptying out your backpack in your hammock sounds like a terrible idea
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>>2561359
homemade woolsocks all the time
--- 2561423
>>2561418
>sit under an enormous tarp
>take out various object from your backpack
>place them on the ground
--- 2561431
>>2561423
>placing your things where racoons can run up and snatch them
AMATEUR HOUR!!!
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>>2561431
>my tent is raccoon proof
What kind of pussy ass faggot raccoons do they have there?
--- 2561442
>>2561436
What kind of pussy ass faggoy tents do you have?
--- 2561445
>>2561414
Do that when it's pouring down rain. Oh, do you only camp in the sunshine?
--- 2561449
>>2561445
>can’t sit in a hammock in the rain 
wut?
>can’t put things under a tarp in the rain
wut?
>hammocks don’t work in the rain
wit?

Use your words
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>>2561445
Local anon cannot fathom tarp camping.

>>2561418
Eh anything soft can go into the hammock, typically carry some foam mat for sitting which makes a good floor and a backup for ground camping if the area is unknown.
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>>2561442
Please take your waxed canvas 18th century LARP gear back to /cgl/
--- 2561459
>>2561454
Fuck you, didnt even give me a chance to say it myself.
For the record, i was going to say
>well i dont carry 20 pounds of canvas on my back for nothing
But youre too good to play along, i guess.
--- 2561467
This board is so damn Americanized
--- 2561472
>>2561423
>Take out various objects from your backpack
>Place them on the ground
>They roll down hill because superior hammock can be set up anywhere
>Place items in hammock instead
>I'm now laying in a hammock with gear piled on top of me

Guys, I also have hammocks but you definitely have more space to move gear around in a tent.
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>>2561467
And thats a good thing
--- 2561533
I use hammocks because there are woods everywhere and unlike you idiots I actualy know how to sleep in one without feeling the discomfort you faggots are talking about.
>>2561491
no
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>>2561533
>no
Yes
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>>2561540
>Yes
yeah fucker right you guys are the worst and you should stick to watching tv
>go /out/ for three days with some american exchange students five years back that you met in the university
>also have a dog trained for being /out/ so basically a hunting dog
>amerifags start asking how in seven hells you don't keep it on a leash because it can run away
>tell them about the dog's training and demonstrate some of its abilities
>yeah whatever anon this is dangerous for other people because in muh america dogs kill even babies
>an hour into the walking hear one of amerifags talking that he has to take a shit
>he goes into some bushes and comes back with shit in a plastic bag
>look confused and ask what the fuck
>yeah anon we don't want to litter haha the smell would freak out wild animals
>ask him if he ever thought about burying the turd then
>no haha then my shovel would get dirty
>amerifag takes his shit and puts it in a plastic jar so he can throw it into a garbage bin when he sees one
>two hours later turns out that the shit-collector's gf is on her period
>starts freaking out about hygiene and takes the shitjar with her to throw in her used tampon
>vampire teabag dispenser wants to take photos
>every single one of them is her doing some stupid face near some cliff or whatever
>take one photo because she asked
>she complains that she is on the side and the view can actualy be seen
>we find a camping site only to find out that they light a fucking fire with a zippo gasoline can
>instead of mre they eat fucking cheeseburgers meant for microwaves
>hear a male deer in the night because mating season
>they start doing a sound similar to the deer
>tell them to shut up or wrestle a testosterone-filled deer without me or my dog who started to freak out only when they wanted to be haha so silly
>they keep talking the entire time the next day
>talking is okay but not the entire time when you want to hear the birds and shit
would write more but it would be too long
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>>2561548
>I had a bad irl experience this one time five years ago
>this is a reflection of this board
I thought Europeans were smart.
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>>2560657
>>2561382

Can you give an approximate location of those places please?
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>>2561610
Wtf is this GPT-4chan bullshit?
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>>2561614
Site-wide April Fools joke.
--- 2561621
>>2561584
Don't forget how he wanted everyone to eat MREs 

What a fucking faggot
--- 2562552
>>2560605 (OP)
I've fallen down the hammock rabbit hole. Want to do some m/o/torcycle camping this summer and found hammocks to be the best setup. I have bought:
>underquilt
>topquilt
>hammock
>suspension
>tarp
but then I realized I still need a shitton of other things now, like
>tarp ridgeline with wasps
>guylines
>stakes
>fleaz
>shock cord
>poles to widen the tarp
this is getting ridiculous. I bet I'm still missing more stuff...
--- 2562562
>>2560632
>There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man.

Poles do a pretty good job. Lesovik Draka - 330 × 150 cm. FlyHamak Ursa - 350 cm x 185 cm.


>>2562552
>tarp ridgeline with wasps
>fleaz
Haven't used fancy wasps, but simple 2$ nama-claws from Aliexpress work fine for me (pic related). Attaching tarp ridgeline to a tree with a carabiner on one side, claw on the other side - and tarp itself to the ridgeline using two more claws. Way cheaper than any fancy hammock-specific thingies.
--- 2562587
>>2562552
You do t neet a separate ridge line, as most tarps have a sewn ridge. Wasps or something similar are a good idea though. Every setup needs stakes; if you’re sleeping outside, that’s pretty much a given. I never understood the point of fleaz. Shok cord and pole mods are just a luxury.
--- 2562934
>>2562552
Just get 50ft of zing it or similar. 15ft on either side of the tarp. 5ft for the other 4 (assuming 4) points. Cheap Y aluminum stakes on Amazon work pretty good, some sets come with shitty cordage but they also have the metal tensioners which saves you from tying knots for the stakes. Truckers hitch and two-half hitches for the Ridgeline, bobs your uncle. The fancy hardware is cool but it's not required.
--- 2562936
>>2560605 (OP)
Ask me how i know you only hike in the east where you cant even get above timberline
--- 2562943
>>2562936
You know, for as good as the west coast supposedly is, you sure spend a lot of time talking about the east coast.
--- 2562995
>>2562562
>>2562587
Alright, I went with continuous ridgeline with wasp and Nama claws, and Nana claws for the stakes
>>2562934
Aw shoots I ordered before I saw this reply. I went with MSR groundhogs since I didn't know what to get and will pair it with lots of zing it rope which I will cut to length and throw Nama claws onto

Here's what I bought online over the past few days:
>Dutchware chameleon, Hexon 1.0, peak shelf, bug net
>HammockGear Economy insulator and burrow over and underquilt
>Beetle buckle hammock suspension
>xenon silpoly tarp with doors
>Continuous ridgeline kit with wasp and Nama claws
>MSR groundhog stakes (6 but I only needed 4)
>Extra 25' of zing-it rope (to cut and add to stakes)
>shock cord (it was only $5)
Sucks how weak the Canadian dollar is. Americans don't know how good they have it... This was like $1k but whatever, buy once cry once! I'll try to go out in late April and hit up some hotsprings while motorcycling around BC
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>>2562995
>all that
You are terrible at shopping
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>>2562999
I tried to do my research :/
--- 2563004
>>2563002
Did this "research" involve reading (totally not sponsores) how to guides, reviews, and articles?
--- 2563005
>>2563004
No, I tried my best to sift through shit and read actual, honest accounts on vBulletin forums from people with no agenda
--- 2563007
>>2563005
>actual, honest accounts on vBulletin
lol
>from people with no agenda
LMAO

anon i feel sorry for you, but i dont want you to feel bad. This is a learning experience.

An important questions to ask YOURSELF when researching things like this is
>how did people do it before all these name brand products existed
The answer is almost always
>everything you need is at your local hardware store
Sans the actual hammock ofcourse.
--- 2563012
>>2563007
I went to my local hardware store and maybe things are different where you live but my selection was essentially bargain bin dollarstore quality-tier, and was quite limited. I have to go the online route. I hope and pray the hammock will work for me
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>>2563012
>bargain bin dollarstore quality-tier
Okay? Do you weigh 600 pounds or something?
--- 2563042
>>2560665
Our hammocks are more advanced, bigger and, more comfortable, you're not paying for the same thing
--- 2563050
>>/out/istic 
Never understood this meme, /out/ is the most well adjusted, sanest most positive board on 4chinz
--- 2563061
>>2560605 (OP)
i used to like them till i fucked my back up, now i can't really fall asleep in them.
>>2560665
hammockfags seem to have the highest rate of people who make their own gear and america's the main place with all the companies making hammocks that aren't mass produced.
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>>2562995
i don't know modern hammock gear but i don't think you fucked up. the quilts are the most expensive part and as long as you did the 'custom' parts correct (sizing, comfort rating, etc) hg econs are pretty much the standard first 'serious' quilt everyone buys, great price -> performance ratio. at least in america i don't know how your looney tooney fag money affects things. i used to have one it was great and i'm pretty sure my ex whore's still using it, i upgraded to 950 fill bags. 
>>2563007
>>2563014
anon if you're seriously suggesting anon camp under a hardware store tarp... just stop retard. its not even cheaper than buying a real tarp. they leak the first few times you use them. i do residential construction i use those things all the time they're pieces of shit and meant to be thrown away after 1 use on a job site they're not camping gear. 
in a turn of events you are the vBulletin retard
--- 2563063
>$20 hardware store tarp
>leaks after 4 uses
vs
>$80 gearfag silnylon/silpoly tarp
>lasts your entire life
only cheaper if you don't go outside
--- 2563064
>>2563004
Dutchware is rarely mentioned outside of people who actually use it. It’s pretty typical for cottage manufacturers. And that’s not that much “stuff,” it’s just a complete hammock setup. 

>>2562995
Does the Chameleon come with a structural ridge line?
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>>2563062
picrel i only post opinions on gear i have really used
unlike this hardware store everbilt tarp larper
--- 2563066
>>2563062
>>2563063
>>2563064
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>>2563065
You do realize they sell higher line tarps right next to the cheap ones, right?
--- 2563070
>>2563067
>You do realize they sell higher line tarps right next to the cheap ones, right?
those aren't high end tarps just because they're expensive. those are made out of woven plastic https://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Supplies-Tarps/ anon doesn't need a 80 dollar woven plastic tarp. we're going camping not covering up lumber for the winter, je-sus. anon can wait a week for a real backpacking tarp to show up in the mail from a specialty company.
--- 2563096
>>2563070
>a real backpacking tarp
I wish you were trolling
--- 2563113
>>2562995
Looks good. If you're new to hammock get out to the woods during the day to fiddle and practice. Dutchware are good people if you have questions via hammockforum.

 >>2563064
Most do with the bug nets. If not, easy to add and they bought extra cordage.

>>2563096
It's 2023 pops, only bushcrafters use waxed canvas.
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>>2563096
i know you're not trolling because i've seen you try to recommend hardware store tarps before... and if you waste your life on such asinine trolls on the slowest board on 4chan... yowza
in what world does it make sense to camp under a hardware store tarp?
have you ever used one before?
they're not completely water tight and they pinhole from very light use outside.
why would you waste $20 on some one time disposable bullshit that's a liability and doesn't even do its job?
jewgle search
"silpoly 9x9 tarp"
first result
68 dollars for a tarp that'll last decades
even cheaper if you make it yourself 
ripstop by the roll dot com or whatever
fucks sake this is not difficult. stop recommending hardware store tarps to newfags.
--- 2563127
>I wish you were trolling
silpoly... silnylon... any fabric coated in polyurethane... waxed canvas... coarse wool without its lanolin removed.. fuck i don't know you have a lot of acceptable options whether you want to go with modern camping gear or ren faire. 
using a hardware store tarp made out of plastic with a weave that loose, you may as well go back to wearing a banana leaf skirt you nigger.
--- 2563133
>>2563123
>i know you're not trolling because i've seen you try to recommend hardware store tarps before...
No, you havent, because i havent.

>in what world does it make sense to camp under a hardware store tarp?
The one where youre not forced to buy the cheapest tarp?

>>2563113
>It's 2023 pops, only bushcrafters use waxed canvas.
Well maybe more people should.
--- 2563134
>>2563127
>using a hardware store tarp
Wait until you figure out you can buy the aforementioned style tarps from a hardware store...
--- 2563137
>>2563123
>yowza
Opinion discarded. Blue tarps are an acceptable option for someone just getting into /out. They don't cost much and they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
--- 2563143
>>2563137
>Blue tarps are an acceptable option for someone just getting into /out.
only for learning how to pitch a tarp at the park or in their back yard.
that's it.
its a waste of $20.
that's 1/2 the cost of making a real tarp and 1/3 the cost of just buying one someone else made.
good high quality tarps are very cheap. you're thinking with short time preference like a nigger trying to nickel and time, when really you are just telling people to waste their money on crap that will wind up in a landfill. 
>they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
what
the fuck
do you think a tarp
is for
you mouth breathing fucking moron
if the weather is so fair that it doesn't matter that your tarp is leaking like a sieve you can just cowboy camp, you don' even need a tarp. moderate climate faggot. 
>anon lives up north
>it rains
what now nigger
--- 2563146
and fuck even if you are talking about saving money
you can get a 30d silpoly tarp for 17 dollars on aliexpress
that's cheaper than a blue tarp at my local home depot 
neither one is a 'standard' 9x9 they're both narrow. but point is, its not even cheaper, its just the wrong kind of tarp. why the fuck would an anon going hiking pay $20 for a $5 blue tarp marked up because contractors have no other choice but to buy whats closest?
--- 2563150
>>2563143
Nta but you do know that plastic weave tarps dont just turn into screens when they leak, right?
--- 2563151
>>2563143
>just spend two to three times as much on something you're only trying out
okay
>there's no such thing as light to moderate rain
okay
>it only rains up north
kek
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>>2563146
I've actually never looked at aliexpress until today. It looks like what you'd get if amazon and a scam site had a mutated lovechild. Is that where people go to get sweatshop merch and also have their identity stolen?
--- 2563158
>>2563156
Yes, once someone mentions alibaba its good practice to disregard anything they said previously as shilling.
--- 2563160
you stupid nigger i build houses, im a general contractor, i buy tens maybe even hundreds of hardware store tarps a year.
they're not high quality tarps.
they're pieces of shit.
you didn't find some money saving lifehack.
hardware store tarps are made of the lowest grade recycled plastics and they're built for two purposes:
- being the cheapest to produce object you could possibly legally describe as a tarp
- getting marked up to $20 because home depot has a monopoly and they have you by the balls knowing you're losing money every minute you spend in their store. $60 of piece of shit tarps? haha just scan the card!!!
you aren't some gigagenius that found one trick that the outdoors industry hates. there's no grand conspiracy to stop you from buying a sheet of silpoly for $7.50 a foot off the first result on google and learning how to sew a rectangle tarp. 
that's how you actually save money. used sewing machine might cost a few more dollars than buying the tarp pre made but then you can make your own gear.
--- 2563164
>>2563160
>buying bulk tarps for construction is the same as buying one for stringing up between two trees
>just buy a sewing machine, order a bunch of fabric and make your own gear to try out camping
okay
--- 2563170
>>2563160
>i buy tens maybe even hundreds of hardware store tarps a year.
...the good ones?
Exactly retard...
--- 2563172
>>2563156
aliexpress is chink amazon, but chinks don't use it, its their western facing market for foreigners.
its parent site alibaba is where most of the local businesses in your city get all the stuff they sell you, and where most of the stuff you buy on amazon comes from. almost everything you see on amazon and a lot of ebay = someone in america mass bought [object] on alibaba, put it in a warehouse in your country, and charge you a premium for the logistics. its called drop shipping.
--- 2563175
>>2563170
the good ones cost more than buying a 9x9 silpoly tarp from borah
do you know what the 'good' tarps cost at home depot?
>>2563164
>okay
stupid fucking water head nigger
do you not read you monkey ape?
>and 1/3 the cost of just buying one someone else made.
--- 2563176
>>2563172
Good thing I don't buy from Amazon, then. I either order directly from the manufacturer or get stuff secondhand.
--- 2563178
>>2563158
said the coin clipper who's told multiple anons to buy a hardware store tarp
--- 2563180
>>2563178
No, i told you to buy a good tarp. You seem to think hardware stores only stock shitty plastic weave tarps.
--- 2563183
>>2563175
Someone's mad this morning. Foreman riding your ass or something?
--- 2563185
>>2563176
>I either order directly from the manufacturer
oh, you're probably really familiar with taobao alibaba etc then. aliexpress is just alibaba trying to compete with amazon and ebay. its cheaper to handle your own logistics if you know how to, when buying direct. aliexpress is essentially just a service that handles the international logistics, holds your payment in escrow until you receive the product and release it, and gives you buyer protection in exchange for a fee. if you know how to navigate international logistics or hire an agent its not worth the cost except on small items.
--- 2563188
>>2563180
what the fuck are you mumbling about retard????
i linked you every single tarp home depot sells in store and mail order. they are all made of woven PE or HDPE. the "good" tarps are just tighter but still comically loose for this application weaves and thicker plastic. 
go to home depot dot com and type tarp
--- 2563189
why would you waste money on a hardware store tarp? if you're broke just get a borah https://borahgear.com/tarps.html
68 dollars
good tarp
all you need for life
beginner expert i don't give a fuck its a 9x9 silpoly tarp
five minute crafts lifehack pajeet retard
--- 2563195
>>2563189
See >>2563137
--- 2563196
here i even did the math for you retard
it costs 34 dollars for the silpoly to make that tarp
plus the loops and thread and shit
wow such a massive mark up for a hand made mitusa product from a small business!!
these tarp makers are really ripping us off guise!!!1!1!1one!1
>letting jews on /out/
--- 2563197
>>2563195
see: you're retarded
--- 2563199
>>2563137
clueless clown
--- 2563200
>>2563188
>home depot
Okay, now check the other dozen hardware stores everyone has within driving distance.
--- 2563201
>>2563197
You really are that kinda guy, huh...
--- 2563202
>>2563200
>other dozen hardware stores
>america
anon... you know what a monopoly is?
--- 2563204
>>2563202
...do you? I have 4 hardware stores, none of which are lowes or home depot, and only one of which is a chain (with only 6 locations), in my little town of 8000 people. I get it my car? Its over.

>durr america is le dystopia
Youre a drooling schizophrenic, seek help.
--- 2563205
>>2563204
>seek help
you sound like a woman
--- 2563206
>>2563205
>abandons the argument
L delivered, thanks for playing.
--- 2563207
>>2563201
anon
read back
do you think there's a single anon who will read your posts, read my posts, and come to the conclusion you have a single clue or fuck what you're talking about?
you're the age of a child and have to think about stuff like using hardware store tarps because you're not a man yet. your mom and dad don't give you enough money. i'll see you in the next bug out bag or running away from home thread. your type only exists to be made fun of. you don't know anything about the outdoors. you don't belong on this board. you're a depressed incel kid who should be on /adv/ asking how to fill out job applications or /diy/ learning a skill. 70 dollars for a piece of gear that lasts for decades isn't a lot for a grown adult. that's actually about as cheap as backpacking shelters get.
we get it your entire experience with the outdoors is living in some moderate climate where you can cowboy camp 300 days of the year and be fine.
you didn't even ask anon where he lives.
dude if you tell some anon to camp in a home depot tent and he lives in... canada... norway... pnw.. which are places lots of anons on this board live, that can get dangerous fast, more of the year than you'd think if you've never been to a part of the planet that actually has seasons and incliment weather. 
the idea of someone camping in that kind of tarp where i live except maybe at the neighborhood park in the summer is 
C
L
O
W
N
tier.
--- 2563208
>>2563204
i'm a general contractor anon. i drive all around my region doing jobs. hate to break it to you but home depot killed everything else. if you still got a local hardware store give them business 'cause they might not be around.
--- 2563209
>anon camping
--- 2563210
>>2563208
Theyre not going anywhere, for some reason home depot and lowes just never moved into town.
--- 2563212
actually most of the homeless here have like $2-300 tents
i know rei gives a lot of them out
--- 2563214
>>2563210
good
fuck home depot
lowes isn't a real hardware store i consider it a "diy" store with a decent gardening section
--- 2563215
Well this devolved into a regarded argument, probably by just one guy, but who knows. The world is filled with retards.

>blue tarp
Lol
>no no, the better one right next to it
Lmao
--- 2563216
>if it rains heavy
i don't even live that far north anon, and my weather forecast was supposed to be clear skies
haha do you know what weather forecast means up north?
clear day one minute. next its sideways hail. then 6 inches of snow. then icy rain. then it was sunny and 60 degrees out. all in the afternoon. 
you can't just assume everyone lives in a moderate climate
--- 2563231
>>2563189
I’d pass on a 9x9 square. 

Square tarps are usually hung as a diamond, which is less than ideal. 9x9 gives you 12.7’ as a diamond, which leaves 1.5’ of coverage over an 11’ hammock hung at 30°. So I mean sure, it technically fits.

The problem is wind and minimal rain cover. The sides are much more exposed to wind, and rain on an angle could more easily reach the hammock near the head and foot. 

It could be hung asymmetrically, but it really depends on the tie out location. That will mitigate the risk from rain, but not really solve the wind problem. 

There’s also the fact that it’s got flat 9’ edges. It takes some practice to get them perfectly pitched, whereas catenary cuts are much more forgiving. 

I’m pretty sure someone (maybe Dutchware, possibly Warbonnet) was making tarps specifically with an asymmetric design. It was more similar to a hex tarp rather than a square or rectangle hung as a diamond. Dutchware definitely has asyms that are like diamonds with cat cut edges. 

I don’t think they ever really caught on, and hex cat cut seems to be the most common. It makes sense; it’s the easiest to pitch, offers more reasonable coverage, and can easily be made with doors.
--- 2563273
>>2563207
>getting this mad over people using cheap tarps
Life must be hard for you
--- 2563277
>>2563273
>Life must be hard for you
this is a homeless encampment in portland oregon
--- 2563281
>>2563277
>hoes mad
>get called out for being mad
>"Yeah, well, here's a shitty city!"
lol wut
--- 2563283
>>2563281
even the crack fiends can afford a better shelter
--- 2563315
>>2563283
>some homeless junkie in Portland got his hands on a cheap tent and a blanket, so nobody should use a cheap tarp to try out camping
holy kek
--- 2563321
>>2563283
>afford
Anon you know damn well they didnt buy that...
--- 2563592
>>2563231
Borah will probably cut a larger one for the associated costs. Simply Light will too. Paria outdoors has a cheaper silnylon one and there's a few on Amazon like aquaquest which aren't bad. Alibaba and a privacy card works though.

>>2563315
Oh now it's cheap again. I thought it was the nice home Depot tarp?
--- 2563613
>>2563592
Anon, I won't call you a schizo, but I will remind you that there are multiple people participating in this thread.
--- 2563617
>>2563592
See >>2563158
--- 2563632
>>2563613
Oh no I just can't follow the blue tarp autism is all. Ruined what turned out to be a decent thread. 

Might fuck around with a 12ft hammock, will this give additional sag for comfort or will I just be drowning in fabric?
--- 2563649
>>2563632
>someone pointed out that cheap tarps work fine for someone trying out camping, the thread is RUINED
Stay mad
--- 2563669
Hammocks are good. Takes some trial and error to hang and use one right for your own comfort though. People already mentioned laying diagonally but that's probably the biggest first timers mistake. otherwise once you got it down its some of the most comfy sleep you can get. 
Also regarding tarps, you can use a good one, you can use a home made one, or you can use a cheap one and patch it if holes pop up. I've had cheap flimsy tarps outlast thick double later stuff sometimes.
--- 2563692
>>2563613
>Anon, I won't call you a schizo
you really think the guy telling people to buy a hardware store tarp doesn't suffer from mental illness?
come on now...
heroin addicts have their life together more than that.
>>2563617
what kind of dumb ass post is this?
>im a general contractor
of course i know what alibaba is i own a small business
--- 2563694
>>2563649
you've been getting clowned on by at least 3 or 4 anons for going on 24 hours now
i haven't posted in hours, i was working, trust me i'm not the only anon making fun of you
--- 2563697
>>2563692
>>2563694
OP hooked some good ones in this thread, kek
--- 2563708
>>2560655
Sorry chief but you're about an inch shy of man height.
--- 2563715
5'11" master race
--- 2563724
>>2563697
the guy who's been recommending blue tarps for months isn't "baiting"
--- 2563733
>>2563724
Is this "the guy" in the room with us right now?
--- 2563813
>>2563632
It’s not so much additional sag as it is additional width. It’s somewhat counterintuitive, but a wider hammock results in unusable fabric. My Eno Doublenest has more floppy fabric on either side than any of my 12’ hammocks.
--- 2564667
Is setting up a one person hammock faster and easier than a one person tent?
--- 2564671
>>2564667
i can pitch my cloudup 2 in a few minutes, staked out and everything. if a hammock is faster it cant by any significant amount
--- 2564679
>>2564671
If you're a retard who can't into knots, it might take awhile. Otherwise, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
--- 2564680
>>2561548
You sound like a faggot. What kind of loser brings MREs to eat while /out/ and gets mad that no one wants to roleplay with you and eat a shitty fucking MRE.
--- 2564683
>>2564680
Probably a military reject
--- 2564699
>>2560605 (OP)
Do I need to add and remove the bugnet for each setup/takedown? What about bags which hang off the ridgeline? Do those get left in place and packed together or fully deconstructed each time?
--- 2564764
>>2564667
Not really. A hammock is faster in the sense that it takes a little less time to hang a tarp, which is really nice when it’s raining, but it’s really splitting hairs. Plus it takes some practice to know how high you want everything, how tight you want your ridge line, where your hammock ends should sit relative to your tarp, etc. 

Tents are easier in the sense that anyone can figure it out and do it pretty quickly. For instance if we swapped, and I set up your tent while you set up my hammock, I’ll be done way before you because setting up moat tents doesn’t take much know how. But it would take you a bit to get my hammock right. You’d sit in it and decide it’s too low. You’d lay in it and decide the head end was too high. You’d realize it’s not centered under the tarp. And so on. 

>>2564699
Attached bug nets stay attached; some are seen to the hammock on one side with a zipper entrance in the other. If you have a net that slips over the hammock, you can leave it on if your stuff sack is large enough to accommodated both. The bags I hang from my ridge line are bags that are used for other things (suspension, hammock double ended stuff sack), but taking them off is easy. It’s just a simple larks head, passing the bag through its own cinch cord and around the ridge line. If you have a dedicated bag for your ridge line, you can leave it on when you pack everything up.

If you really want to save the hassle of setting up and taking down, you can get a really large snake skin that covers literally everything; quilts, hammock, bug net, pillow, the clothes you accidentally left in there… They look really convenient but they never caught on.
--- 2564807
>>2564764
Thanks, you have addressed all my concerns! I can imagine it'll take some practice to get the angles right for my hammock structural ridgeline.
--- 2565008
>>2561548
How many times did everyone clap during this?
--- 2565055
>>2560636
>My back doesn't like being shaped like a banana for 8 hours
p much this desu.
/thread
--- 2565067
>>2560605 (OP)
Hammock don’t work above tree line. Hammocks suck at tree line where the trees are small and far apart where there are bushes in between said trees that are hammock height. Hammock don’t work well in proper old growth Forrest’s (PNW of North America) where the tree circumferences are massive (12’-18’) and each tree is 45’ apart. Hammocks require the same amount or more (hammock, under quilt/sleeping pad, tarp, sleeping bag, tree straps & suspension) gear than traditional sleeping systems. They’re also finicky to set up to get a flat lay. Sometimes at the end of a long day the last thing I want to do is fiddle with my whoopie slings until everything is perfect. 

I fell for it for the hammock meme for a minute. They’re nice to hang & chill in for an afternoon. But a simple tarp set up on the ground is more versatile & faster overall.
--- 2565069
>>2565067
Forgot to mention deserts, steppe, savanna, prairies and all of the other environments that they equally don’t work in
--- 2565077
>>2565067
Shoot I am in the PNW and hope I don't struggle in campgrounds. Thankfully I'll be using snakeskins to unfurl the tarp quickly and a strap system so I don't need to fiddle with knots.
--- 2565085
>>2565067
Jet skis suck because you need water to ride them.
--- 2565087
>>2565067
>>2565069
>hammocks dont work in all the places i would never go
Based, love hammocks simple as
--- 2565096
>>2563137
>They don't cost much and they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
wind not rain. hardware store tarps rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
the worst part about gearfag threads are all the no-experience and also poor niggers who infest these things no matter what the niche or hobby is, posting their opinions and recommendations about things they've never used, only existing as a pitfall for beginners and someone to be filtered out as white noise by everyone else.
--- 2565098
>>2565096
>rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
--- 2565227
>>2565087
>I don’t go /out
--- 2565239
>>2565227
>west queers cannot comprehend the existence of desiduous woodland
Based, stay in your rock gardens.
--- 2565260
>>2565096
>someone who is just trying camping is immediately going to go out in shitty weather
>anyone who suggests a thing I don't like has no experience and has never used that thing
okay
--- 2565269
>>2565239
Grew up south of the Mason Dixon and east of the Mississippi. You can have it.
--- 2565290
>>2565260
>telling an anon who's obviously not poor and dropped $1000 to try out hammocking to buy landfill waste
>>2565098
yes i do think a lot of anons sit on here and post opinions all day about gear they've never used. 
>rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
everyone knows that. its common knowledge for anyone who's used one.
--- 2565324
>>2565067
Called it. See:>>2560632
>The concept of the exception isn’t easily understood by people with severe autism (aka the majority of /out). That’s where the comments about deserts and being above tree line come in. Having the inability to understand the basic mindset of others, they fail to grasp that we know about the exceptions.
--- 2565355
>>2565324
i don't understand why its so hard for anons to grasp "not everyone lives in the same place on a international message board" or at the very least ask who they're replying to before automatically making assumptions.
i live in washington, which for those of you who don't know, my entire state consists of nothing but 'exception' situations where hammocks suck dick. washington = old growth forests, tall mountains, and desert.
if i based my opinion on hammocks based on solely my experience living in washington i'd thing they're the most useless piece of shit shelters ever.
do i sit on outdoor forums shitting on hammocks? no, but a lot of tards on this board seem to have that mentality. not that hard to grasp that if i were to live in a different part of the world hammocks would be pretty sweet. i also benefit a lot from hammockfags existing as someone who ground sleeps in a quilt a lot of the time & uses a tarp shelter. thanks for making all that kind of gear widely and cheaply available hammock bros!
--- 2565356
>>2565290
>anyone who says a thing I don't like is good for beginners is obviously suggesting it to an anon that I made up
>it's common knowledge that a thing I have never used does a thing I have never seen because I don't like it
lmao
--- 2565359
>>2565356
>an anon that I made up
the blue tarp was originally brought up when an anon who posted a $1000 list of gear asked if he fucked up or bought decent hammocking gear.
read the thread idiot.
>it's common knowledge that a thing I have never used does a thing I have never seen because I don't like it
i use hardware store tarps at work.
--- 2565360
>is good for beginners 
no it is not
spending $60 to $80 on a good tarp is what a beginner should do.
not wasting $15-30 on something that will leak after the first storm it sees.
if you want a $30 tarp buy a military surplus one.
the only value it has to a beginner is to learn basic pitches and to test out if tarp camping is for them.
--- 2565362
if you really can't afford a silpoly tarp just buy a military surplus one lightly damaged for $20.
great opportunity for a beginner to learn how to repair their tarp before it happens in the field where you need the tarp.
--- 2565365
>tfw spent $1200 on hammock gear and haven't even laid in one before
--- 2565386
if you havent figured it out already most of /out/ doesn't ever go /out/. if they do it's more homeless larping than hiking.

hammocks + a tarp are the way to go when hiking. car camping is whatever bring your giant ass air conditioned 30lb tent.
--- 2565391
>>2565386
Yeah, generally whenever I see someone say "hey here's this thing" and anons come out of the woodwork to sperg about how terrible it is, I assume it's just fine. Simple hammock, cheap tarp, I stay comfortable and dry no matter how much anons seethe.
--- 2565397
>>2565391
>Yeah, generally whenever I see someone say 
>generally
>wording of your post = never used one
generally if you're inexperienced its best to lurk and listen to the opinions of people who know more than you until you have more, instead of shitting up the board by posting your opinion on gear you've never used. think and use your brain before posting. "what value does my opinion have, if i've never tried it?" this is generally good life advice not just for /out/ and if more people followed it less beginners would be given bad advice. 

>cheap tarp
cheap tarps are fine.
you're misunderstanding or strawmanning.
that's not what i'm saying.
there is a large variety of kinds of cheap tarps that exist, made of different materials.
woven PET tarps are the worst kind you can possibly choose for camping.
the very thick 10-15mm ones are acceptable for car camping but not actual camping.
you can get different kinds of tarps that are way better, and equally cheap.
--- 2565398
you're not arguing cheap vs expensive tarp
you're arguing to buy a shittier tarp at a brick and mortar hardware store for the same price, or usually MORE expensive than buying a better cheap tarp online from a surplus place or small american/european manufacturer.
--- 2565399
hardware store tarps are not cheap either
the 3mm and 5mm tarps can be considered cheap tarps, those are the ones that leak in a stiff breeze.
the thick ones cost more than buying a proper backpacking tarp. they're not cheaper. they're both more expensive, less durable, less water resistant, heavier, bulkier, worse by every metric at that point because they're meant to be cheap mass produced covers for lumber and job sites. most of them have snap rings in them. if you know anything about tarps it weakens the material because you're cutting a circle into it. fucking 17-25 year old zoomer retards.
--- 2565401
>>2565391
are you samefagging?
i have a hard time believing even /out/ is a shit enough board to have more than 1 anon who thinks a hardware store tarp is a goog idea
--- 2565483
>>2565397
>I know the thing I don't like will fail, even though I insist anons have never used it
>>2565401
>More than one person who disagrees with me is unrealistic
I will continue to use a ten dollar blue tarp, it will continue to work fine, I'll continue to suggest it to newbies, and there's nothing you can do about it
--- 2565489
>>2560605 (OP)
It's mostly just a couple of assholes who really hate it when other anons enjoy something; they seem to think they can actually gatekeep this shit by raging on a peruvian clogging forum
--- 2565518
>>2565483
we get it you live somewhere without weather
--- 2565541
>>2565269
Nobody askes
--- 2565542
>>2565398
>buys a better cheaper tarp at a brick and mortar hardware store
Heh, nothing personel
--- 2565543
>>2565359
>i use hardware store tarps at work
No you dont. Because if you did, you wouldnt think they rip at the slightest gust of wind.

Alternatively you are just a retard and cause them to rip often by mishandling them.
--- 2565561
I did hammocks for a while and found few use cases.
>not really rain proof
>water runs down ropes
>needs way more rope than you expect to hang properly
>wind chill is really bad
>nowhere to store gear
>nowhere to work
So straight away if you're dealing with adverse conditions you're looking at a hammock plus a tarp/hex, ground mat, drip line, bag hanger, hanging hooks, fly net etc etc. 
At that point your hammock is now heavier than a regular ass backpacking tent. Some people may prefer them but I wouldn't recommend it. 

I found only thee use cases. 
A. Ultralight in fair weather.
B. Snow when you've got trees
C. Swamps/jungle
I would absolutely unrecomend camping in malarial jungle or a swap, 0/10, highly unadvisable. No. But in this situation you've probably got no clear flat ground, too much rain, horrible poisonous insects, no need for a sleeping bag. 

Snow is interesting and I hadn't done it myself but apparently the main advantage is that the air under the hammock acts as a cold sink, you keep a sleeping bag dry inside the hammock and wrap a second sleeping bag over the hammock, and not needing to cut into the snow so much you're less likely to be buried alive. Can't confirm.
--- 2565580
>>2565561
Says
> I did hammocks for a while
Immediately outs himself as a liar or an abject retard by saying
>nowhere to store gear
>nowhere to work
--- 2565588
>>2565561
>water runs down ropes
consider typing drip knots
>windchill bad
use underquilt, it is just like using a sleeping bag in a tent
--- 2565589
>>2565588
It’s basic shit like this that puts people as liars or retards. Anyone setting up a hammock knows you need some kind of water break (like hardware that 90% of people are already using) or to tie drip lines. He also said he used rope to hang a hammock. Who uses rope and not poly straps? People who did no research at all and just went in blind (retards), or didn’t actual do it and are just making shut up (liars).
--- 2565611
>>2565589
nta but I bought a hammock recently and it came with rope. Consider that not everyone has your supposed experience with hammocks, and not everyone does research to determine what parts of a product should be immediately replaced.
--- 2565627
>>2565611
>not everyone does research to determine what parts of a product should be immediately replaced.
that's certainly true, but they certainly should.
--- 2565660
>>2565611
Turns out cheap gear is crap. Who would have known?
--- 2565683
>>2565543
This. I used an everbilt tarp for a while when I first started going /out/, got me by just fine. Now I have an aquaquest and use the blue tarp for yardwork.
--- 2566006
>>2565085
Basketball isn’t a real sport because you have to have some kind of hoop to play. Football is a real sport because you can do it above tree line or something.
--- 2566263
I want to go riding long distance and wild camp the nights. 
Last time I went to yurop some boomer I bumped into told me that hammocks are a revelation because of size and weight.
Basically thinking of roadside tent vs hammock situation.
--- 2566289
>>2566263
Nice baiku! I'm going to moto hammock camp this summer so I don't have to lug around ent poles. I don't know how I'd even use hiking poles with my ninja anyways.
--- 2566869
I don't dislike them but half of the time I end up using mine as a bivvy and with the extra weight of the tarp and bulk of a quilt it really does end up being a zero-sum trade off between using the hammock or a tent
--- 2567294
>>2561431
You hang your pack off one side of the hammock.

I like to put it on the side closest to my upper body, allowing my feet to be elevated above my heart, helping with the swelling from hiking 15-25 miles. If I want it even, ill hang my food bag on one side and my pack on the other.

I used a hammock exclusively for 6 months on the Appalachian Trail.

If you can't find 2 trees suitable for a hammock somewhere along a 20 mile hike through the woods you're a shortbusser.
--- 2567453
>>2567294
>I used a hammock exclusively for 6 months on the Appalachian Trail.
How the hell did you manage to hide and rape women in a hammock
--- 2568041
>discussion about hammocks 
>212 replies
>ctrl+f "Amok"
> 0 hits 

Jesus Christ, does no one actually go /out/side on this board?
--- 2568045
>>2568041

I'd rather try a decent bridge hammock or even the meme haven hammock over that one.
--- 2568046
>>2568041
I hereby dub this the "banana hammock"
--- 2568047
>>2568045
Sorry, but you can't compete with its superior level for sleep, or ability to become a chair 

Not going for the Draumr is just a cope for poor people
--- 2568055
>>2568046
Too late
--- 2568074
>>2568055
Hint- its named after an existing piece of clothing not the fruit
--- 2568076
>>2568074
Yes. Dutchware understood the joke as well, and produced a hammock that looks like a banana peel.
--- 2568097
>>2568041
I already bought an asymmetrical gathered end hammock. Did I make a mistake? Are 90 degrees much better?
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>>2568097
I own a Hennessy Hammock Expedition Asym and it becomes a bitch without a wide sleeping mat like the winged ones from Klymit 

The Draumr has a pocket for your sleeping mat and is way more level than my asym
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>>2568047
God those things look so fucking gay
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>>2568097
No you didnt make a mistake
>>2568101
Dont listen to this retard. Use an underquilt, not a sleeping pad
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>>2568047
>>2568041
Seems like a whole lot of extra fuss and weight for very little gain.
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>>2560655
>I’m 6’ 1”
king of the manlets
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>>2560972
>sleeping bag
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>>2560649
>>on your side
You are of semitic origin and are engaging in disinformation
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I have a nice compact hammock that takes up maybe a liter of space, it sets up easier than any tent I've ever owned, finding a spot in a forested area is beyond simple, and I enjoy sleeping on my side at 6'2 without any issues.

They're no good for anything below 10c, but when you hit the goldilocks zone there is no comfier feeling than having the breeze blow through your mosquito net while you listen to a nearby river.

Hammock haters need to go outside more
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>>2568226
>If you go outside more you'll like hammocks
I don't think that's how it works, anon
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>>2568418
Do you prefer sleeping on the floor at home?