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>download telegram
>"please enter your phone number"
What the fuck is this shit?? I thought this was the epic private messaging app that boomer trump supporters and cryptofascist 15 year olds used. Does everyone who uses it have their phone number linked?
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Freak
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you can use google voice or any sms activation services but theres a retarded chance itll get banned within 12 hours and youll need to write to support to get unbanned and get the second sms to login again
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>>92824642
now that i think of it you can probably just rent a phone number on those sms activation services for a week so you have time to login twice
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Signalbros...we won.
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I hate soijacks so much its unreal
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>I hate soijacks so much its unreal
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>>92824417 (OP)
It literally is. The phone number requirement is there only to scare away schizophrenics and reduce spam. It is not shared with anyone by default. Telegram's policy is pretty relaxed and their protocol is secure enough for the vast majority of people using it. People are not willing to use those decentralised, anonymous apps simply because they are inconvenient. You might have the most secure app in the world, but it will be useless if noone uses it. All kinds of circles currently have their messaging app of choice and if you want to contact them, you need to use their app. Its as simple as that.
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>>92824417 (OP)
>>92824824
>phone
>privacy
>>92825310
>oi vey, its only to scare away people who actually care about privacy and refuse to use a cellphone because they know very well that all of them are backdoored, there is nothing to fear blabla its just anti spam ok?
>and self hosting is also LE BAD, freedom is LE BAD and federation is the devil, don't even think about using matrix or XMPP and spamming nigger all day long!
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>>92824417 (OP)
>install nginx
>install matrix-synapse
>install postgresql
>get gratis subdomain from freedns.afraid.org
>generate configs and certs
>start everything
>throw some glowie html on website to scare away zoomers
there we go, cia.govt.hu just got ACL banned by 109 matrix servers and it's everyone elses fault that i spammed trannygore.
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>>92825339
>Its only to scare away people who actually care about privacy
Like who?3rd worlders spamming with crypto scams? Since without that requirement , the app would become practically unusable because of people like that.
>refuse to use a cellphone
If you refuse to use cellphone in 2k23, you are either mentally ill or super autistic boomer.
>they know very well that all of them are backdoored
The backdoors live rent-free in your head. You have no proofs that any kind of backdoors actually exist in modern smartphones.
>there is nothing to fear blabla its just anti spam ok?
Yes
>and self hosting is also LE BAD
Yes. In this case instead of being dependent on huge team of IT workers, your means of communication depend on a random neckbeard who will rather pay for another waifu pillow rather than for his 5$ VPS and a domain.
>federation is the devil
It is. Once your app becomes federated, it is allmost impossible to update it. Everyone is going to have their own vision on how the software should look like, which will cause nothing but chaos.
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>>92824417 (OP)
You can create phoneless accounts nowadays but you have to engage in their crypto shit somehow
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>>92825669
>like who?
me. if you wanted to get rid of spammers, add a captcha or an optional and probably enabled-by-default "click here free crypto send 1btc get 2 back" filter
>NOOO HOW CAN YOU NOT USE A CELLPHONE!! NAS!!
yes, im a schizophrenic boomer and refuse to use computers made after 2008 at all. i have never used a cellphone and will never use one, end of the story.
all phones are backdoored, there is nothing you can do about it other than to build your own cellphone towers and modems.
>NO PROOF!!
so you're telling me that a separate operating system running on a separate co-processor 24/7 even when the device is 'turned off', as long as it gets power (lol why do you think you can't take batteries out of zoomer phones nowdays?), that grabs your encryption keys, de-randomizes keys you generate, tracks your location, records microphone input, and is entirely proprietary... does NOT spy on me?
YOU should take your meds, not me.
>oy vey its just antispam
sorry but im not getting chipped vaccinated and anal raped to go to some jewish bureau, get a legal name and ID card, just to go into a store and buy a sim card so i can get tracked by your proprietary malware.
by the way, look at ID cards in the corner, i heard they have GPS chips inside, there should be a bump visible when you tilt it to reflect light, you might have to bend it a little if you can't see it.
>durr hurr self hosting le bad you depend on a neckbeard
im telling YOU to self host, not to leech off some random neckbeard who self hosts for himself.
>app
stopped reading
>impossible to update
look at XMPP and matrix, you're telling me that its impossible to update?
its not even bait anymore at this point.
>>92825702
>crypto jew
even worse than paying for a phone number and giving jews your ID lol
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>>92825778
>add a captcha or an optional and probably enabled-by-default "click here free crypto send 1btc get 2 back" filter
If you really think that this is going to work, you have no idea how spammers do their thing.
>yes, im a schizophrenic boomer
I see.
>so you're telling me that a separate operating system [...] does NOT spy on me?
Yes, I do. ME was originally designed to solve real world problems, but later its functionality was extended to manage other parts of x86 computers. You can read a non-schizo research paper made by people who actually have some idea how ME works here.
https://github.com/skochinsky/papers/blob/master/2017-12%20%5B34C3%5D%20Intel%20ME%20Myths%20and%20Reality.pdf
>not getting chipped vaccinated and anal raped
Not a valid argument, just your delusion compiled with your secret kinks.
> to go to some jewish bureau, get a legal name and ID card, just to go into a store and buy a sim card so i can get tracked by your proprietary malware.
KYC on sim cards was introduced in many countries to stop low IQ coomers and neckbeards from harrashing people with their phones. If you really need a sim card thats not tied to your identity, just register it on a random bum from another city. Furthermore , you dont even need to do that to create a telegram identity. You can just buy yourself a cheap phone number for sms verification that will cost you like 0.2 USD. I literally did just that for my alt account.
>im telling YOU to self host
We can actually self-host our stuff properly, but most people can't. Thats why they prefer to use software managed by someone else.
>look at XMPP and matrix
XMPP is one of the worst example of decentralisation and federation. When it comes to matrix, literally half of the userbase uses matrix dot org instance (which btw had very poor security practices in the past), so it kinda defeats the whole point of decentralisation.
>its not even bait anymore at this point.
I am being totally serious here.
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>>92826527
>muh spammers
yeah spammers are retarded and automate things
alternatively, let people mine some crypto as 'captcha' or require self hosting
centralization is jewish.
>ME was designed to solve real world problems
...WHAT problems?
there ARE no problems
>YidHub
>pdf
glow harder
>delusion
here in germany you need to get vaccinated to go into jewish bureaus and get an ID
>durr KYC sim cards
>hurr just buy and register on someone else
the problem is that you need to show them an actual ID and it needs to match your face
some go even as far to require (((online))) JS identification, and i don't even have a webcam.
>buy number for 0.20$
where, and do they accept XMR?
>most people cant self host
most people are wintoddlers and don't know how to use a computer, youre right about that.
if you have any spare computer laying around and know how to open ports, you can self host.
>one of the worst examples
tell me why its being copypasted by every company and made proprietary if it sucks so much
sure matrix is easier to use and pre bloated with everything youll ever need, and many people use morg, but cool people self host or use based kool kids klub servers like midov.pl or plan9.rocks, morg is just for the normies who want an "app".
>serious
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>>92824417 (OP)
IMAGINE falling for blyatops lolmao
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>>92824648
nas gem however
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>>92824417 (OP)
>Not having a burner number
>Not having a physical burner pre-paid
>Not hiding behind 7 proxies
You need to up your paranoia game, brother.
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>>92825310
>It is not shared with anyone by default
except the kgb lmao
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>>92824511
I am back
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>>92825778
you sound insane
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>>92824417 (OP)
>>92824618
>>92824661
>>92824669
>>92824696
>>92824802
>>92824893
>>92825429
not a godson therefore coal
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>>92827021
no, you are insane.
GET OUT OF MY WALLS
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>>92826690
>yeah spammers are retarded and automate things
alternatively, let people mine some crypto as 'captcha' or require self hosting centralization is jewish.
I don't get this argument at all.
>there ARE no problems
There actuall are, you just don't see them, since you do not work in IT. It is literally described in the research paper that i have linked above.
>glow harder
take your meds
>here in germany you need to get vaccinated to go into jewish bureaus and get an ID
Can you backup this claim with a source? I was unable to actually find any information about that. 
>match your face
>JS identification
What are you talking about? What kind of identification do you mean? Are you trying to tell me that a random bum can't just register a sim card on himself and then sell it to you?
>most people are wintoddlers and don't know how to use a computer
And unlike you, they are employed, valid members of society.
>if you have any spare computer laying around and know how to open ports, you can self host.
Again, most people are too busy with their lifes to actually sacrifice their time and efford on self-hosting. Why is it so hard to understand?
>tell me why its being copypasted by every company and made proprietary if it sucks so much
Using those decentralised apps is one thing, but cannibalizing them into centralized app with decent IT support capable of fast decision making is another. I am talking about the plain XMPP protocol that unemployed spergs brag about. You have hunderds of XEPs but none of them matter unless everyone will apply them, which is pretty much impossible. This combined by the fact that many people use custom clients that do not support certain featues creates the feeling of eternal uncertainity in which you never know when things will stop working.
>serious
Yes, I am serious. I am arguing with you in my spare time , since I want you guys to stop acting like schizos, leave your basement and fix your life.
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>>92827129
>i dont get it
let people mine some crypto or do something CPU intensive, because no spammer would just want to waste electricity, and thus money to spam and get banned
krautchan does the same thing.
>ackchyualley you dont see the problems
point out a single problem and tell me how you need IME malware to 'fix' them because you cant fix them in a better way
>meds
never.
>can you back up this claim
yes my brother confirmed it for me when he tried to get an id, we were all born on a farm without a (((birth cert))) and he wanted to travel
>what kind of identification
when getting a sim card to "activate" it, my boomer grandpa can back this claim up when i had to tell him the jews want his face 3d scans from a webcam while he moves his head around slowly just so he can use a fucking telephone
>durr register sim card on yourself and sell it
nobody here would do this, if i fuck something up that guy will get arrested for it.
>employed, slaves, members of s𐐬yciety! Ö
sorry but im not eating the bugs or taking the vackseen, go fuck yourself
i will continue saying nigger as much as i want and no ZOG company will fire me
AHAHAHAHHAHAA
>durr too busy hurr
youre sooo busy with your life that you can write long posts on /g/, setting up a server takes an hour of your time and will save you weeks later.
>nobody will apply everything the same
this is true tho, and one of the reasons why nobody uses XMPP as it is while self hosting
it's also why matrix is superior
(besides, it makes XMPP and IRC trannies seethe because its developed by shinbet)
>oy vey stop being schizos
>eat your yoga mat softening chemicals, s𐐬ybean oil, corn syrup, and estrogen 'autism' or 'schizo' meds
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i think the saddest part about these threads at this point is how clearly they are writing their own posts to jak
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>>92827227
>let people mine some crypto or do something CPU intensive, because no spammer would just want to waste electricity, and thus money to spam and get banned.
People are not going to pay to use those services, since they will not be willing to pay every time they want to proove that they arent bots. Furthermore, not everyone has CPU powerfull enough to actually mine cryptocurrencies (I would say that its the case for most people in the world).
>point out a single problem and tell me how you need IME malware to 'fix' them because you cant fix them in a better way
- TPM
- Integrated Clock Control
- Anti-Theft
- Silicon Workaround Capability
- And more
>yes my brother confirmed it
I am not talking about your brothers experience. I am talking about actual law that requlates it. If you cant provide the soure, I am not going to accept this as a valid argument.
>my boomer grandpa can back this claim up
Same as the above. Not a valid argument.
>employed slaves
You will eventually have to leave your basement and go to work, since your parents are not going to feed you your whole life
>sorry but im not eating the bugs or taking the vackseen, go fuck yourself
i will continue saying nigger as much as i want and no ZOG company will fire me
AHAHAHAHHAHAA
Delusion
>youre sooo busy with your life that you can write long posts on /g/
Well, yes. Its sunday, so its my day off.
>setting up a server takes an hour of your time and will save you weeks later.
People who literally work to keep you slacking off do not have time and strengh to do so, since they spend their effords to be independent, valid members of the society.
>this is true tho, and one of the reasons why nobody uses XMPP as it is while self hosting
it's also why matrix is superior
(besides, it makes XMPP and IRC trannies seethe because its developed by shinbet)
Contradiction
>oy vey stop being schizos
>eat your yoga mat softening chemicals, s𐐬ybean oil, corn syrup, and estrogen 'autism' or 'schizo' meds
what?
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>>92824417 (OP)
Just admit that you are a beta cuck who is unable to buy fake SIM cards lmao
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>>92825702
Damn that's cool. Just looked it up, you can straight up buy phone numbers with their crypto thing. Couple of bucks and you have an untraceable phone number. Very nice
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>>92827812
Wait a second those "numbers" only work for telegram and they're like 20 bucks not 2. Okay that's not as cool but still I guess it works for telegram
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>>92827507
>TPM
malware
>clock control
CMOS battery, and in reality everyone will use NTP anyway
>((((((((((anti theft))))))))))
you mean taking over MY computer, telling ME what to do with the hardware I OWN? shutting MY computer down after 30 minutes because i removed your glownigger malware?
go fuck yourself.
>workaround something
uh what?
>actual law
im not even sure if the law requires it but read somewhere that it does, and every single phone carrier youll find here will require it.
>N-NOT VALID!
go buy a sim card in germany and figure out for yourself
its not like germany is north korea, right?
....right?
>durr you have to work
sorry but im not getting robbed by jews, calling it "taxes", and i refuse to let them control MY money with (((bank accounts))).
>delusion
nigger nigger nigger
you can't do anything about it.
>i have a day off
imagine not having every day off, being free to do whatever you want, while STILL being rich
i don't pay taxes so i'm not a poorfag like you.
>people work to keep me slacking off
not my problem, pic rel
>valid hecking members!
no thanks, im rather eating meat and not amerimutt plastic government cheese or antibiotics with some meat aroma and s𐐬y. youre just mad that you don't have a functional penis like europeans and will never know what sex feels like.
>what
amerimutts put yoga mat softening chemicals into "bread" to make it softer, its known to cause cancer and its banned in europe.
at the same time, they completely banned raw milk and all cheese made with it because its LE BAD and DANGEROUS!
...while cutting off baby penises after birth because having a dry cracked numb penis with most of the nerve endings on the foreskin removed is somehow better, sure Mutt Mc.M'uhnalds
>>92827812
>untraceable
not possible with phone numbers, or you backdoor 'your' account and give someone else (other than your phone carrier and the other jews) control over it.
oh yeah did i mention, telegram has no encryption.
>>92827830
>paying
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>>92826527
>>92825669
>>92827129
those people are just trolling, no point in giving them attention, and if they aren't, then its even worse, you are trying to argue with a clinically insane person, who would do that? (well, someone with too much free time and nothing better to do would do that to entertain themselves ig?)
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>>92827897
>malware
Its literally not a malware. It is designed to safely hold you cryptographic secrets. You just have no idea about malware , cryptography and information security at all.
>ME what to do with the hardware I OWN? shutting MY computer down after 30 minutes because i removed your glownigger malware?
Its anything but that. You can actually read about it here.
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/product-brief/mobile-computing-protect-laptops-and-data-with-intel-anti-theft-technology-brief.pdf
https://github.com/skochinsky/papers/blob/master/2017-12%20%5B34C3%5D%20Intel%20ME%20Myths%20and%20Reality.pdf
>im not even sure if the law requires it 
So you literally pulled that argument out of your ass and now you refuse to admit it.
>imagine not having every day off
Imagine being an adult still dependent on his parents with no perspectives for tomorrow.

You know, I could actually respond to all of your arguments, but I see that it has no sense. You have way bigger problems in your life that ME supposedly spying on you and I hope you will solve them one day before its too late.
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>>92828102
>>92828102
>oy vey goyim its not malware it just copies your keys and derandomizes them so we can sell your keys back to you in case you lose them
>oy vey goyim its totally not what you think it is, you can read about this here cia.gov intel.co.il yidhub.co.il those sources are trusted and only speak truth
>pulled it out of your ass
no, but the fact that something is enforced either means that its not officially illegal but still enforced just like amerimutt 'freedom' to say nigger or deny the holocaust, or that its really a law, which would be more european because we aren't stupid and just cope with what we are told to do, regulating ourselves.
>adult depending on his parents
both of my parents are long dead you retard, im self sufficient aside from not building my own solar panels, computers, and farm equipment.
>oy vey dont you look into the ME, you have other problems goy hehe
NICE TRY, FBI
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>>92825310
Isn't Telegram owned by Russians? Basically the same as Chinese.
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