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Are medical errors really that common?

I've been looking at some statistics and the number of people who die from medical error is higher than I thought and I wanted to know if that's really the case.
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This is the old number on medical errors, the 3rd leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. After factoring the deaths caused by "Covid-19" treatment and vaccines, medical error will probably rocket into first place. 
Of course its not an error when a doctor kills a patient treating a nonexistent viral epidemic, thats murder. At the turn of the century, medical error wasn't even in the top 10, thats how rapidly the medical community deteriorated from being an asset to society into being one of the worst problems.
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>>15352301 (OP)
Yes, and it is only getting worse. Real medical care is a highly personalized endeavor, requiring sharp, quick, and flexible thinking to identify patient problems and determine the best treatment options. Unfortunately, our system is designed to be the opposite, a very rigid set of practices created by health organizations and governing bodies that only work if you have a very common issue. Doctors are trained to be guideline parroting monkeys, and many of them aren't smart enough to offer any more than that anyway. Enter the medical system with any rare and serious medical condition, and you will find all this out firsthand. These days, medical schools are explicitly reducing educational standards even further to protect "muh diversity," so we have nowhere to go but down.

And that is without even getting into the hundreds of billions of dollars pharmaceutical companies spend lobbying regulators and developing med school curricula to influence all these established practices. 

The good news is that GPT-5 will almost certainly be better at medical diagnosis than 97% of doctors. Then we will only have to rely on them for surgeries.
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>>15352301 (OP)
Doctors shouldn't be expected to not kill the patient. A few deaths per week per doctor is totally normal. Should builders be expected to build a building that doesn't fall down? I see buildings falling down every day. Being a doctor is way harder too because all the parts of the body have funny names that are hard to remember and the body parts are small and buildings are less small. If a doctor isn't sure about performing a procedure then they should just perform it anyway so they get the money, that way everyone is happy
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That wouldn't have happened if you'd been treating other people the way you'd like to be treated. When you rejected the law of the Lord, it wasn't an accident. You knowingly chose Satanism.
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>>15352301 (OP)
>Are medical errors really that common?
The #1 cause of death in hospitals is medical errors, causing an average of 750,000 deaths a year in the USA alone. 

Funny how in recent years the medical establishment has been trying to downplay that fact and lying about deaths now, reporting the number is as low as 300,000 deaths a year due to medical errors. 

NEVER trust the medical complex.
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>>15352301 (OP)
not only are they erros, but sometimes they're outright malignant to the patient in order to sell their brand new ULTRAEFFECTIVE medicine TM.

I'm not even talking about the covid 19 vaccine as its a devisie topic, but Im talking about all the possible treatments for say cancer or diabetes.

a lot of doctors, not all of them, but some morally questionable ones definitely recommend the most expensive or the brand that sponsored him with a couple of donations last year.

i don't live in the us and its a problem here too, I can only imagine it's worse in the us of a with all those expensive health insurances. Though eu drones aren't doing too good either, the medicine costs the same probably it's just that the state foots the bill most of the time, so in the end the consumer/contributor/citizen gets ripped off by pharma one way or the other
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>>15352789
Yes but think about the doctors. There has been cases where the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway. And then the doctor might be paid over a month late for their service causing them to miss a payment installment on their 3rd BMW. Did you think of that?
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>>15352301 (OP)
It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher.
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>>15352819
yeah we get it youre a retarded trumptard
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>>15352301 (OP)
Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting.

Mechanics and vehicles
IT and computers
Doctors and patients

Fuckups are found across the board that destroy the object or person in question.

Sometimes it just be that way.
>Run diagnostics on hard drive
>The drive dies because of running the diagnostic

>Change something car to fix issue
>Car dies

>Change something in patient
>Patient died

Shit happens. IQ and aptitude don't magically make things fuckups free.
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People are forgetting about the nurses. They should also take most of the blame. Doctors should really be rude to their nurses to put them in the right state of mind at work. I've seen studies where nurses perform better when they know the doctor is a better person than they are
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>>15352825
flak, over the target, etc
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>>15352819
>It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher.
Of course they are. Numbers are always fudged to give an advantage by the bean counters.
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>>15352818
>the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway.
Then they keep billing the family of the deceased for their medical bills. 

Imagine a mechanic fucking up your vehicle, returning it to you in pieces and unusable, then demanding payment for their services. 

No other profession gets away with this shit except the medical profession. People have to stop putting up with their shit and scams. Insurance too. And of course it all goes back to government politicians in the end.
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most people die in hospitals 
never go there & you'll be much, much safer
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>>15352833
>Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting.
None of the have the same tolerance and impunity for easily preventable error.
/sci/ is weird, I feel like people shill something with strategically dumb arguments to promote the opposite
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>>15352301 (OP)
>Are medical errors really that common?
What was different in my case wasn't that they were wrong about. The different thing was that they couldn't kill me to hide what they did.
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>>15354180
What happened, anon?
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>>15352301 (OP)
incompetence
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>>15352781
builders are more reliable
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>>15352301 (OP)
Yes and no, yes they are common and perhaps more importantly too common but also consider that as medical technology improves more people will inevitably survive everything except medical errors.
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>>15352781
>I see buildings fall down every day
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>>15357855
yeah, but that was about getting caught, not being wrong
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obviously since people are stupid
did you really think that doctors are magically exempt from being stupid monkeys?
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>>15352301 (OP)
>Are medical errors really that common?
Medical errors are the most common cause of death in people who visit hospitals. 
Always second guess and double check your doctor's advice and drugs they try to pimp on you.
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>>15354141
>go on 4ghan
>hmmm this website is kinda strange
yes
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Sometimes the best action is no action. Medical professionals don't usually understand this.
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>>15352301 (OP)
More than 9 in 10 healthcare interventions are not supported by high-quality evidence; harms are under-reported.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35447356/
Most healthcare interventions tested in Cochrane Reviews are not effective according to high quality evidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis
Howick et al
1,567 eligible interventions, 87 (5.6%) had high-quality evidence supporting their benefits. Harms were measured for 577 (36.8%) interventions. There was statistically significant evidence for harm in 127 (8.1%) of these.
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>>15352838
IF you are being serious, then this is one of the stupidest posts I've seen in a long time that isn't some anti-vax/anti-germ theory dribble. I really hope you're being sarcastic. 

A huge part of a typical hospital RN's job is catching & correcting pending mistakes; as well as intervening in real-time to prevent doctors & residents from accidentally killing/harming their patient due to an error. Ask any RN who has worked for more than a few years and they will have long-ago lost count how many major errors they prevented from happening - whether it is something like a fatal/majorly harmful medication order being ID'd and corrected before it was carried out or... preventing a mistake during a surgery/a invasive procedure... meds ordered on the wrong patient; wrong meds/doses being sent to the pharmacy at hospital discharge; forgetting to Rx vital meds upon discharge; vital meds that the patient takes at home that end up initially getting overlooked or incorrectly Rx'd upon admission - it is literally an endless list of shit to catch.
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>>15364919
They understand, they also understand that they don't make any money that way, so they ignore the former and key in on the later
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If you weren't fucking with anyone, you never could have ended up fucking with the wrong person.
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>>15354141
>easily preventable error
What constitutes an 'easily preventable error'? The single most common medical malpractice suit is for misdiagnosis, typically a doctor missing a rarer or more complex or subtle ailment for a common one which can be a result of anything from inconclusive diagnostics to misleading symptoms to patients withholding critical information. But as has already been pointed out in this thread, you have a system that - by necessity - has to compromise between time/resource-consuming personalized that requires highly specialized knowledge and patient information and general care that can easily and efficiently identify the most common issues that people suffer from.
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>>15354141
Tech is worse
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>>15357855
callousness rather
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>>15360700
or just avoid them entirely 
i haven't seen one since 2008, still perfectly healthy
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>>15352301 (OP)
yes. there are a lot of fatal medical errors, just imagine how many non-critical mistakes there are such as vertexing a contact lens incorrectly.
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>>15352301 (OP)
The sooner AI replaces doctors the better
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>>15352301 (OP)
> ~1000 years ago
>blood letting "heals"
>mercury is medicine because it causes diahrrea and salivation, which means the diseases gets flushed out
>arsenicsal is medication because it makes you numb and not feel the pain
>antimonial is medication because it makes you numb and not feel the pain and also gives you diahrrea
>200 years ago
>opium is good because it makes you not feel the pain
>we still use arsenicals, mercurial and arsenical
>especcially as a purge
>we also added icebaths
>also added electroshock therapy
>also added the whirling chair
>also added filling the lungs with acrylic balls in suspicion of consumption
>also added giving pregnant women opium and ether during birthing to numb the pain
>also added cocaine for tooth aches
>also added tar+heroin syrup for coughs
>100 years ago
>still do the same shit
>also added calomel as teething powder
>mercury and lead arsenate as delicing powder for children
>radium therapy
>injecting latex and glycerine with phenyl red against tuberculosis
>amphetamines against mundane diseases
>trust us
>~60 years ago 
>hmmm arsenicals may be bad
>but here is some asbestos in the baby powder
>also thalidomide and mornidine its really good
>also here beta lactames for everything
>also we cut out the appendix if inflamed, its not needed anyways
>also here take mercury amalgam fillings for your teeth
>also cigarettes are good for your health
>have you tried taking amphetamine to get slim?
>sugar is really healthy
>also cholestol is bad here take Triparanol, it might cause loss of vision lol
>also for your psyche just take Zimelidine, Lithium, Zoloft, etc. its good, except when it kills you lol
>We are the doctors, we are the experts please trust us. 
>We notify you when the science changes, until then, just consoom the product we tell you, and never raise questions
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>>15360700