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Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.
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>>136656331 (OP)
a side effect of the burst release schedule Netflix uses. You get a more complete story in one setting but it kills "water cooler" conversation that things like a weekly release schedule cultivates.
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>meanwhile sega is trying to buy out the angry birds developer
what fucking lame excuse of a company can't die sooner
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>>136656347
This. Anything people binge watch gets discussed for like a couple days then nothing.
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>>136656439
Billion dollar super game, remember?
They'll kill themselves soon enough
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>>136656448
but I'm certain the netflix coffers are now full of binge watchers' money and they have already ordered more seasons
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>>136656331 (OP)
Because it was so mid, it's just the generic multiverse story kids are into these days with Sega mandated Sonic characters added into it.
No clever writing and funny jokes like Sonic Boom', and they censored Amy and Rouge so furries can't jack off it to it, this show is the definition of average.
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>>136656587
You're just mad Sticks isn't in it
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>>136656587
It's better than X and Underground.
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>>136656645
Both had pretty banging soundtracks though, Prime has no style
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>>136656331 (OP)
Because it was generic, safe and by the numbers
Sonic is supposed to be to Mario what Looney Tunes is to Mickey. The more offbeat, alternative, "cool" version that isn't afraid of experimentation. This, despite giving the pretense it was going to be, wasn't. It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
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>>136656661
Cute outfits.
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>>136656331 (OP)
The way the show has been released has been abysmal. Sonic Boom had a similar issue but it at least had a full season. 

Sonic Prime doesn't even have a full season, so it just comes and goes. They drop all the episodes at once which is fine but then there is nothing for like a year. 

I don't mind the idea of releasing entire seasons at once but it only works if it's the entire season. Otherwise it's like the Steven Bombs, you get tons of discussion during the actual release window and then nothing afterwards.

I think Prime has alot of interesting concepts and I would actually like to see some of these characters appear in other sonic media (they probably would have shown up in the archie comics if that was still a thing) and I'm interested in seeing the rest of the show but for now it's 8 episodes of setting things up.
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>>136656614
I don't mind Sticks being it, it's just this show had no interesting OCs, AT ALL. No rule 34 bait or interesting characters you would wish Sega adapted into games.
>>136656645
Sonic X was pretty good, the Adventure game adaptions were pretty good, and there was plenty of Rouge fanservice. Just don't watch the 4kids dub.
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>>136656682
>Sonic is supposed to be to Mario what Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure. That game radically introduced a different style of gameplay, redesigned his look, redefined the world, and reworked what kind of 'tude he had. Games like Unleashed, Black Knight, or Secret Rings aren't really experimental, they're just trying to find a gimmick to attach to the Adventure-style gameplay. Mario does the same thing, except people actually like his gimmicks. 

Shadow the Hedgehog is pretty fucking experimental even though it's still derivative off of the 3D gameplay and writing, but it's more experimental for its content and the idea that Sonic Team would give a Sonic character a fucking gun. The game itself still plays like Adventure / Sonic Heroes and all the characters still act like they have been in all the other 3D games.
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>>136656695
>Otherwise it's like the Steven Bombs
I WISH Netflix would drop episode like Steven Bombs. One episode per day would make for way better discussion than dumping eight episodes of a series all at once. 

They gave Unsolved Mysteries timed releases, so someone internally is open to the idea.
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>>136656331 (OP)
There’s just nothing about it to talk about.
There aren't any OCs and the alternate variants on the characters, although different in personality, haven't actually done anything of note in the eps we've seen.
Usually other continuities have deaths and lore and history and powerlevelz and romances and junk but noone's done anything in Prime (probably because they’re not allowed to)
--- 136656774
If you want me to talk about this show, either Rouge needs to have bigger boobs or she needs to get with a human guy.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Netflix's release schedule always kills continuous discussion.
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My issue is that it feels like the plot to a two parter or movie for another series, stretched out to an entire season, then cut in half. The premise is super basic and the pacing feels super stretched out. The individual other world characters outside of the Eggman Empire world ones all just kind of feel like extras with extended screen time. And I think most people unraveled the plot when only the pilot was available on Roblox. It just doesn't have enough going on to be engaging.
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>>136656439
Sega is the just the video game arm of a pachinko company
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>>136656683
Three hottest girls in the entire series
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>>136656331 (OP)
oh yeah what the fuck happened to that show is it out already?
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>>136656910
It's been out for months, Anon...
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>>136656587
>it's just the generic multiverse story kids are into these days
It doesn't even commit to its premise fully. It's not even a multiverse, just Sonic's Green Hill Zone reality being split and his friends act weird because of it.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Isn't there part 2 to be released?
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>>136656331 (OP)
The best part of this show was the different versions of Tails. Everything else was meh.
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>>136656748
>There aren't any OCs
The OCs in the show are the variants of existing Sonic characters. Rusty Rose is fundamentally a different character from Amy.
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>>136657035
And yet she will only be discussed in terms of ‘Amy going through an edgy robot phase’
OCs have to be new characters, because they open up new avenues for the original cast to interact with and form relationships with. A game character getting a new enemy. Or a new rival. Or a new love interest. Timeline are a different appeal that ultimately just is ‘the same character but different personality’
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>>136656903
>Three hottest girls in the entire series

Wait. Tails isn’t a girl.

What are you up to, Anon.
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>>136656331 (OP)
The multiverse shit killed it for me. I was getting invested in the 1984 dystopia but nope all the momentum the show was gaining went away and Sonic gets dumped into jungle world and has to be reintroduced to different versions of his friends again.
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>>136656331 (OP)
It’s pretty fucking embarassing they only managed to model 4 background characters because they were too busy convincing youtube ecelebs like Jacksepticeye and Valkyrae to voice them
and so as a result of not putting any effort into them there are no new characters to play a role or interact with the cast. Just Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Rouge, Shadow, Eggman. That’s the entire cast of your entire show.
Because god forbid the characters have anyone other than Sonic to talk to for your entire series.
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>>136657035
Bro, that's just Amy Rose but an expy of Bunnie Rabbot.
>>136657189
Sonic Boom had an even bigger of background character models and they reskinned models models all the time, how low was the budget?
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>rest of the series is supposed to come out by end of 2023
>it's now April, and still no word on a release date for new episodes
Did it get canceled?
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>>136656718
X was ruined by Chris Thorndyke, flanderization of the cast, and having a low animation budget. The Japanese dub doesn’t fix its problems.
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>>136657317
Sonic Boom also bothered to design a bunch of original characters who got to play off the cast. Dave the Intern, Barker, Comedy Chimp.
Sonic Boom made selfaware jokes about itself in-show how low their budget was and how they couldn’t be bothered to animate things because they’re cancelled anyway. Like Knuckles gets back from his job and they joke how they had a huge all-original fightscene totally not recycling the same cyclops robot they fight in the same way literally every episode, but it all happened offscreen.
Sonic Prime is literally worse animated and designed than a show that proudly professed how bad their 3d assets/animation was.
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>>136657189
lmao I remember Boom poking fun at its own constant reuse of assets in one season finale
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>>136656331 (OP)
So the usual sonic product
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>>136657428
I kinda knew Prime was going to be some low budget shit when the teasers and trailers wouldn't leave Green Hill Zone.
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>>136656331 (OP)
This ended?
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>>136657402
No it will just come and go spontaneously and unceremoniously
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>>136656331 (OP)
There wasn't enough episodes released and the worlds besides New Yoke weren't very good. Maybe the rest of the episodes they're holding back can save the show somehow. I'm looking forward to more Sonic and Nine interactions regardless.
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>>136657506
No they just split up the episodes awkwardly into different "seasons" and are holding back on airing the rest.
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>>136657467
>you guys we need a scene where Sonic remembers hanging out with his friends in Green Hill
>but boss the only place in Green Hill we modeled was Tails’ workshop, do they all just hang out in there?
>uuuuhh…they all hang out by…one of the trees?
>But Boss the entire background is just hills and trees.
>it’s like…a special tree. That they all love and have really fond memories about. That’s why they all hang out by the tree. Rouge as well, she loves the tree too.
>Boss…
>and when they’re around the tree they’ll all reminisce about stuff loosely to do with the tree that we also can’t show because we didn’t model those places either. That’s what they love to do, talk about the tree while sitting by the tree
>…
>Sonic tried making a pie with a coconut from the tree but it didn’t work so he just bought a storebought one. We won’t show any of these things but we’ll be told about it secondhand while they’re sitting at the tree. And Rouge will be the one to tell us about it because she’s there too. At the tree.
--- 136657703
Blaze is not in it. Silver’s not in it. Cream’s not in it. The Chaotix aren’t in it. Metal Sonic’s not in it.
But oh, oh sweet lord have mercy, thank god they made BIG THE CAT a main character in it.
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>>136657703
Fr fr Big carries the show no cap
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>>136656331 (OP)
Because it had neat ideas but didn't make good use of them at all.
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>>136657703
It's crazy to think that Blaze and Silver haven't appeared in an official Sonic animation(anime or cartoon) yet.
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>>136657703
it costs money to make those characters
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>>136656347
Yeah you saw the worst of it with Stone Ocean, since you could compare it to previous JoJo parts, especially Vento Auero. These retarded batch releases absolutely murder any hype or discussion surrounding a show.
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>>136656347
This, if it was aired normally the series would have aired the season finale by now instead of half a year ago.

Fuck Jewflix
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>>136656683
Did they make the show just to make and sell gacha alts?
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>>136658274
Looks like it
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>>136658136
And if you want to make money you need to offer more than Big the Cat and a mediocre incomplete season every 6 months.
--- 136658435
It’s a boring kids show, there’s nothing that special.

And no different from the movies, comics or TMOSTH, Sonic fans will hype any up westoid created shit, claim that the series is eating good and forget about it within a week.
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>>136656682
>Looney Tunes is to Mickey.
Bad argument, Mickey's content was 100 times better than LT as a whole. To this day for every good part about LT that is basically just Bugs, Daffy and Road Runner Episode (of which, not all of them were good), the House of Mouse, The Three Musketeers, Fantasia, and the platoria of Mickey Shorts will always stay in my mind palace far more than most LT episodes. Hell, I prefer Tom and Jerry over LT.

Enough of this fucking Mario shit. It's been 30 years, Sonic died to Mario since SA1 and hasn't been relevant to console war shit since. Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.
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>>136656331 (OP)
this is not Sonic Boom cartoon. still sad it got cancelled after 2 seasons.
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>>136657703
>But oh, oh sweet lord have mercy, thank god they made BIG THE CAT a main character in it.
Blame Frontiers/Aaron
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>>136658465
Looney Tunes and classic Disney cartoons are both some of the best cartoons ever made, and they both hold an important place in the history of animation. They have their own styles, there's no reason to argue like a child that one of them is the best evar!!!
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>>136658465
You're crazy if you think "Mr. Mouse Takes a Trip" is remotely comparable to "Tortoise Beats Hare". 

>As a whole
Mickey hasn't been all that interesting until recently with Paul Ruddish. Goofy was caring him on his fucking back with Goof Troop and A Goofy Movie, and if you want to include stuff like Ducktales, than so was Donald. 

Looney Tunes Show was just as solid as House of Mouse. Duck Dodgers + Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries was great and the equivalent of things like Goof Troop at the time. Loonatics is definitely bizarre, but if you like Warner Bros. Saturday morning superhero writing, it's surprisingly fun. LT only started to get consistently lame with Wabbit and the HBO Shorts. HBO was almost there, they were doing well with Porky and Daffy but missed all the marks with Bugs.
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>>136656331 (OP)
That's just streaming cartoons in general
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>>136656645
Being better than X and Underground isn't a high bar to clear.

>>136657933
>It's crazy to think that Blaze and Silver haven't appeared in an official Sonic animation(anime or cartoon) yet.

It's hard for westerners as it is to grasp Sonic according to SEGA. You start adding other dimensional princesses or time travelers and it just becomes a mess no one wants to deal with.
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>>136656723
>Honestly, Sonic hasn't been "experimental" since his jump from Genesis to Dreamcast with Adventure.
Sonic Boom was looking to be more experimental, but almost no one was even willing to give it much of a chance from the start. Even Sega had no faith in it and went out of their way to sabotage the whole project.

>>136658465
>Instead of constantly seething to be better than Mario, be actually good next to him in the first place.
Honestly this, it really feels like the Sonic fanbase is so insecure about their own character that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.
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>>136656645
What did you say bitch? Oh hell no, uncle chuck is on his way to your house to rape you now bitch, it's over
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>>136656331 (OP)
Batch release plus mediocrity
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>>136656439
They really couldn't have used any of that $1 billion to just make a better cartoon?
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>>136657428
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>>136658465
Shut up mariotranny
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>>136657413
>flanderization of the cast
Really? I thought they were pretty in-character for the most part, considering X had people involved from Sonic Team and some writers even contributed to the games such as Unleashed and 06.

Also Chris is a fine character, you people just hate subtext.
--- 136662651
It should’ve been 2D, it’s kinda hard to do a show of this premise using such limited assets so you’re stuck with shit like them constantly reusing Green Hill Zone and having only a few characters to use
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>>136662651
No, they’re just being cheap. Reusing assets is standard practice. These guys are just too obvious with it. 2D would be more expensive in the long run.
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>>136656682
>It's meddled too hard by mandates that make it too safe and ultimately boring
Or maybe it’s just bad writing. Mandates are standard practice, dude.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Binge culture does that.
Why the fuck would I care about a show over the course of a year when it comes out all in a single day, a few more days of talking about it, and moving on
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>>136657703
Blaze and Silver are mandated ot never ever appear, because that inherently relies on expanding on where they came form and SoJ doesn't want to do that because they "totally for really bro" have plans to expand on the Sol Dimension and Silver's future.
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>>136662840
mandates like the kind SEGA shits out, very much are not.
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>>136658465
>Mario
>good
This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother. You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality. Fuck off.
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>>136663231
The mandates aren’t even bad. The comic writers just complain about them because they can’t do whatever they want with characters they don’t own.
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>>136663212
Silver's future I get because that involves a lot of things with implications on present characters but what expansion is stopping them from using the Sol Dimension?
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>>136663235
Not everything has to be “high art”. Movies can just be fun and entertaining. Stop being pretentious.
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>>136662840
Fuck off, retard. I was there when that stupid post was made and it was still called out for being terribly retarded and missing the fucking point; that having mandates as intrusive and fucking limiting as Sega's means YOU HAVE NO FUCKING STORY. Even the Boom Writers couldn't use 99% of the Sonic cast or actually DO anything with the setting and universe (Big alone had so many mandates around him that they didn't even bother, and the Chaotix are bound up in so many that only Vector could appear in the show for a single episode only), which is why it was all OC's and nothing else.

They also tried to use the mandates to control how Paramount would depict things, but Paramount was big enough to simply tell them to fuck off the vast majority of the time.
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>>136663235
Mario is much better than Sonic in every single way. As of the movie and the Sonicmetaera Mario even has more soul.
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>>136662596
I agree with everything you just said

>Also Chris is a fine character
Except this
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>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad. 
The Boom writers have bitched about the mandates. The movie writers have brought them up in the negative, despite not being as bound to them as everyone else is. Even the Prime writers have brought them up offhsndedly as limiting what they can do.

Fuck off with this "it's just the comic writers!" narrative revisionism. EVERYONE hates the mandates.
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>>136663336
The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
It wouldn't be bad if the entire comic were just small episodic silly shorts like the Classic minis, but for a longform serious tory like it wants to be? No, the mandates are absolutely strangling. Can't have lore, can't have stakes, can't have history, can't have romance, can't have powerlevelz, can't even have real settings. It's dogshit and sega are dogshit for pushing them at every avenue.
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>>136663336
>The mandates aren’t even bad.
How can you say that without even knowing what they are?
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>cyberpunk AU
>caveman AU
>pirate AU
>all of which have the exact same characters in them
Might as well throw in a high school AU since you're so committed to being as unambitious as possible.
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>>136663520
Nine and Rusty are fairly good deviations from the norm, with New Yoke itself being the best of the displayed worlds and the pirate AU actually was decent. 

The problem is that that's not enough to carry an entire show.
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>>136663443
The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books. For early Archie, there were no mandates imposed on the book because Sega didn’t really care as long as Archie paid the licensing fees. It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
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>>136663471
We know some of them.
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>>136663552
pirate AU was trash. Had nothing to do with Knuckles, was absolutely empty because they can't be bothered to animate countries or foreign lands since that would require they model character to fill the background, we know butt-nothing about any of the other variants in it, it's just them sitting on a boat eating food and throwing a birthday party to themselves.
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>>136663561
>The mandates are there to keep things on-brand so the writers don’t go hog wild with the characters like in the Archie books. 
And that is narrative-fucking poison if you're trying to create an actual world and setting. Again, even the Boom and movie writers have called out the mandates as being not only way too controlling, but fucking unhinged in how they're presented.

>It’s only when things started to get really crazy dis they decide to actually meddle.
No, they only started meddling when Penders' and his lawsuit came about. They still didn't care, even late into the run.
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>>136663360
Everything has guidelines attached to it, dude. Especially licensed material. IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters. That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex. Sonic’s meant to be a family friendly franchise. And outside material MUST reflect that.
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>>136663624
The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.
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>>136663755
That was a mistake imo. The game world is too vague and ever changing to have a continuous series set in it
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>>136663443
>The mandates are absolutely terrible for trying to create any serious long-form setting like IDW is clearly designed to be.
That’s because the writers are overstepping their bounds by doing more than they’re supposed to. Plenty of actual professionals are able to deliver within said mandates. Episodic adventures would work perfectly with them. But Ian and Evan don’t want to do that. They’re still in their edgy fan comic phase.
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>>136658274
Why did they give tails a hydrocephalus alt
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>>136663825
Movie Tails
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>>136663418
Writers always bitch when they have to be limited by outside sources. That’s just how things work. Especially when you’re working with an established IP. Limitations aren’t an issue. In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative instead of being complacent in their writing.
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>>136663784
Which is why Sega gives them guidelines so they know what they’re working with.
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>>136663708
>>136663755
Why is it so hard for Sonicfags to understand that a franchise can have multiple continuities that can be very different from each other.
I swear you'd have an aneurysm if you watched Transformers G1 and Beast Wars back-to-back.
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>>136656331 (OP)
I'm still seeing plenty of fanart from the show. It's talked about as much as Frontiers and the movies. Although right now the Murder of Sonic game is getting the most attention because it's the newest. Also there's the leak that a lot of people are talking about.
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>>136663871
Because IDW isn’t meant to be its own continuity. It’s a licensed comic based on the games. Therefore, it needs to reflect the shit that’s in those games. Because it’s based on the games, they need to follow these guidelines to keep everything on-brand. Also, Sega doesn’t want multiple continuities based on their IP. Game-related and movie-related are all that they’re okay with. Nothing more than that.
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>>136663708
>>136663755
>>136663853
Once again, you retards have completely fucking missed the point because you are unhinged and obsessed. Thank fucking god the movies and Boom exist so I don't need to listen to your retarded asses. Enjoy the same stale runny shit IDW is serving you though - I'm sure any day now, the mandates will produce a quality product.
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>>136663853
>LIMITATIONS FORCE YOU TO GET CREATIVE
Name 10 writers.
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>>136660302
>it really feels like GAMING is so insecure about SONIC that they constantly want to prioritize Sonic being "cool" over actually good.

FTFY.

The general gaming community wants a very surface level with Sonic. Sonic goes brr fast. Roll in ball. Fight robots. Get Emeroods.

The minute shit starts to get serious, normies start to cringe at the sight and abandon the blue rat

>>136662840
>Mandates are standard practice, dude.
>literally boil down to "keep everyone in character"

Brand Consistency & Corporate Mandates don't mean much in the long run if all they ensure is a mediocre product only kids accept.
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>>136663871
Most of these weren’t going around the same time. They were tie-ins to whatever the toy line was doing at the time. Every time the toy line reboots, you get a new cartoon. The movies were a different case altogether.
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>>136663936
If literally any of this were true, then Sega would have stopped licensing Sonic out years ago - which guess what? They still do. He'll, they've had different conyinuities since the very first Shogakukan issue, a manga which was purely Japanese. IDW isn't even supplementary to the games either, since they explicitly contradict each other, and that's not on Ian or Evan - that's on Sega for being retarded and having no idea what they're doing.

>t-they accept movie-related thoughts
Because Paramount is big and powerful enough to tell SoJ to fuck off and take its mandates with it. They literally gave the rights to that entire branch of the franchise over to them.
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>>136656587
It really didn't make use of its cast of characters or their personalities. The entire thing seems to revolve around a bratty version of Sonic and how all his friends are just tired of him. There isn't much there if you're a Sonic fan beyond basic cartoon entertainment, and even that felt pretty thin.
--- 136664043
Once again, fanboys continue to bitch and moan when they have ZERO knowledge of licensing and standard business practices.
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>>136662425
That wasn't bait though. That anon speaks the truth.
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>>136663870
>so they know what they’re working with
But they don't know what they're working with. The game world is vague and keeps retconning itself. We don't even know how Silver time travels anymore.
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>>136664043
>t. Iizuka
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>>136664045
Anon, don't bother. The guy is a shitposter from /sthg/ - he ALWAYS does this whenever anyone calls out the mandates as being unhinged. The moment he started bringing up "it should be purely episodic", I knew exactly who it was.
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>>136664020
IDW isn’t really set in the same continuity as the games. It’s just supposed to look like it is. Licensing out your IP is good money. But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole. Standard practice that most companies do and enforce.
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>>136663708
>That’d be insane. Imagine if they had Sonic curse, smoke weed and have on-panel sex

That be the best thing for the franchise since that time they killed Sonic on a train and blamed it on Espio
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>>136656331 (OP)
They shouldn't have cut out that 15 minute flashback sex scene between Tails and Rouge. It really confused the mood when Tails doesn't answer how she knows where he lives and why she keeps biting her lip at him
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>>136664162
Sonic is a family friendly franchise. And Sonic didn’t actually die in that. He just got knocked out.
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>>136664119
>But you also have to instill guidelines along with it to protect it. Don’t want some rando writer coming along and doing crazy things with your characters and having that reflect on the IP as a whole. 
That's literally never been a problem for Sega. Everything that isn't the games is explicitly its own continuity. And the Shogakukan manga, which was purely Japan-written and released before any other non-game continuity came out, ended up being far more inventive and crazier than anything IDW has ever done, as well as being the first place where Amy ever shows up - and shockingly, none of the wacky stuff from Shogakukan ended up "reflecting on the brand".

This non-zrgument is fucking hilarious because nobody but the most demented grognards could actually believe it. Sega has ALWAYS divorced any continuity not from the games, and 99% of the time they're better for it. Until Frontiers, people cared more about the movies than they ever have the most recent stuff in the Modern continuity.
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>136664378
You literally have zero self-awareness or the ability to comprehend basic humor.
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>>136662596
Knuckles was always angry for no reason. Amy was a complete psycho with no redeemable aspects, even Sonic Battle Amy was a good Mom to Emerl. Tails was completely useless. Sonic was this boring asshat that slept all the time. 
>Also Chris is a fine character
He’s literally the Poochie of Sonic X. He even fucks off to his home planet at the end.
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>>136664383
>shadowfags are blackedcuckolds
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Spider-Man has mandates too. Sony can have the movie rights as long as they stay within these guidelines.
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>>136664865
No one cares nigga
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>>136664865
I’ve yet to see where in that it says “No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever. You may not give names to characters except the main ones. You may not show the passage of time. You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family. You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera
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>>136664865
Meanwhile at Sega
>no humans
>no kingdoms or government
>no money
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
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>>136665022
you forgot
>no character development
>no relationships other than greeting each other
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>>136663235
>This is such low-hangjng bait that I'm not even going to bother.
And yet you replied, faggot

>You've burnt your brain out on the idea that popularity = quality.
But Sonic is more popular than Mario triple retard.
Mario's games are industry standard, the only thing left among today's market of shovelware that's still 90s era grade A good. Even Zelda is dying and Pokemon was never good like Sonic after going 3D.
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>>136656903

I don't see Maria anywhere in this picture.
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>>136664227
Yeah it was confusing but you can piece it together from the 10 minute Tails-Rouge blowjob scene in episode 2, and when Rouge clearly starts making out with Tails behind the tree in this >>136657625 scene.
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>>136665053
Get off 4chan, Shadow
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>>136665053
Shadow, nobody is going to fuck your sister.
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How long will Sonicfags continue to seethe?
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>>136663235
Imagine being so brain damaged by console war bullshit you completely miss that anon's point. It doesn't matter if Mario is good or not, Sonic as a franchise needs to stop comparing itself to Mario as something to avoid being and just try to focus on being good itself.
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>>136665215
until our franchise makes something good.
So forever.
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>>136665259
I've been with Sonic and Sega for a while now, nothing has changed and nothing ever will until Sega Sammy sells Sonic.
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>>136656459
whats this super game people keep bringing up? I feel out of the loop
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>>136663755
>>136663936

>The IDW book is supplementary material. It’s not meant to be its own world and setting, it’s meant to compliment the one in the games. It was never meant to be its own thing.

Than the comic has no actual value outside of bait for Sonicfags. Which is to mean no value at all.

If you don't have a worthwhile gimmick to your license comic, then it's just worthless merch.
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>>136656331 (OP)
It's not over.
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>>136665371
Yes.
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>>136665424
You’re right. Sonic still has to visit the ninja, igloo and backyard lawnmower-versions of the shiity friends, wave hello to them then wave goodbye and then it will be over.
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Delete Sonic from the franchise
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>>136665022
>no humans
They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
>no kingdoms or government
Whatever is in the games is what exists.
>no money
Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
It's Earth.
>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
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>>136664559
Why are you pretending this thing the writers repeatedly say isn't true?
Why do you keep pointing at media that's over 20 years old as if it's indicative of current brand strategies?
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>>136665576
>They exist. They live on the mainlands while Sonic and friends reside on the islands.
This is an incredibly recent retcon from the TailsTube series and even then, it has LITERALLY no bearing on any of the recent media, which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet. IDW has no fucking humans and pretty much treats them as totally nonexistent outside of Eggman. Before this, it was Two Worlds to explain why they weren't a thing but it's still lthe same shitty garbage.

>Whatever is in the games is what exists.
Which is nothing.

>Money exists. The book just isn't allowed to show it.
It literally does not, for all intents and purposes. Whatever cheap excuses you or SoJ gives (which are fucking nothing) amount to literally jackshit.

>It's Earth.
Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.

>He's the main character. To Sega, having him get a serious loss would make him look bad.
And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue. Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.
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>>136664925
>No character in the entire verse may have any romance, ever.
Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
>You may not give names to characters except the main ones.
The book has OCs though?
>You may not show the passage of time.
This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
>You may not give any of the characters a backstory or family.
Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
>You may not allow any of the villains to do the stuff that X villain can do” etcetera
If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman. No redundant characters that will infringe on already existing ones unless created by Sega themselves.
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>>136665576
>>136665660
Fuck off already Slashy.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Wasn’t enough Big to keep me interested.
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>>136665699
I don't care about namefags, I was just asking why you're so adamant that the current comics aren't meant to resemble the games and why your counter examples are all old as shit.
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>>136665555 →
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at least other shows with burst schedules had promos leading up to the next burst release. all we’ve gotten for sonic prime season 1b is a singular promo image
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>>136656331 (OP)
It came out?
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>>136663809
I think Evan's doing ok. Could be better, but acceptable.

Adam's been really grinding out on Drogune lately. Hope Ian's doing the same. Might make him more amenable to treating Sonic as a resource for fun short stories
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>>136664559
The manga wasn't a single continuity. It would reboot once in a while. The original idea was that it was set in Sonic's younger years with Game Sonic traveling into his past and taking over his younger self's body. During CD's development, Amy was closer in age to Sonic like in the manga with her being a high school cheerleader.
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>>136665695
>Only when Sega does it themselves, will a character be depicted in a romantic relationship. Amy is Sonic's official love interest and Sega wants to keep the two in a "will they, won't they" situation.
Which is fucking cancer, because we literally know that they will never commit on their own. It took Frontiers' English script for Modern Sonic to actually start thinking of Amy in that romantic affectionate way (Boom and Prime both hint at it, and the Shogakukan manga had Nicky and Amy as an actual item from the start - so it definitely is an SoJ specific problem). And they noticeably had ALL of that erased in the Japanese script, and totally flanderized Amy and wiped away her character development that the English script gave her.

>The book has OCs though?
And they're terrible because of how stifled the mandates make them - they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.

>This is standard for licensed material. Gotta keep things on-brand.
Paramount.

>Again, only when Sega does it themselves. It's why Cream still has her mom.
Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.

>If Eggman can do the thing, then just use Eggman.
You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy. Are you the type of person who shst himself over the End staging up Eggman in Frontiers and sidelining him for the entire game?
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>>136665740
>I don't care about namefags
You have literally said this before. Almost word-for-word even - and it was blatantly obvious who you were even then.
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>>136664227
>>136664227
>>136665074
Tails is never gonna get any action, Tailscels.
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>>136665816
The Shogakukan manga was generally consistent. Other manga were all different shit at different points though, yes.
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>bringing up "Sonic short stories" out of the fucking blue 
Dear God, it literally is him.
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>>136663624
>and movie writers
Sauce on this? I wanna read that.
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>>136663708
>IDW can’t just do whatever they want with the characters.

And yet the artists work TanglexWhisper in wherever possible.
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>>136665829
>they literally need Sega to check mark everything like a fucking machine algorithm to get in nowadays.
Standard practice. Gotta make sure they look like Sonic characters.
>Paramount
Movies are a completely different situation from some comic that makes no money.
>Cream hasn't appeared in over 15 years in the Modern continuity and has literally zero plot relevance. Vanilla even less.
She's in the comic. She doesn't show up in the games because she's redundant as a character. Amy can already do the things she can do and better.
>You have such fucking terrible takes, Slashy.
Who the fuck is Slashy?
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>>136665984
The lesbian implications go right over Sega's head.
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>>136665869
You replied to the same post twice because a picture made you seethe that badly
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>>136665047
>and Pokemon was never good like Sonic after going 3D.
Game Freak is almost literally just Nintendo's own Sonic Team, though even Sonic Team had more than one decent OG property that's been left in the dustbin.
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>>136665996
>Standard practice.
Name 10 characters. 

>Movies are a completely different situation from some comic that makes no money.
If that were true, they'd have pulled the license. And no, it's not the same for movies at sll - the only reason Sega haven't pushed mandate garbage onto the movies is because Paramount is too fucking big to boss around.

>She's in the comic. 
Which is meaningless because she still does nothing even then. She is even more of a token kid character than Charmy. More than that, IDW has no bearing on events in the games.

>Amy can already do the things she can do 
They aren't even remotely the fucking same, you schizo.
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What's the point of doing a multiverse story if the regular universe is so poorly defined? When there's no established history to deviate from, your multiverse is basically shit on the level of "universe where everyone wears a funny hat".
Sonic Prime is the kind of garbage people used to mock the Archie comic for.
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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
They show a globe in the Sonic VN, along with Spagonia itself being referenced.
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>>136666157
The alternate worlds themselves are very limited too.

People saying they want universes like genderswaps or roles are swapped, that's not how this works. The alternate worlds have nothing to do with the pre-established worlds, they're just using the names and retooled designs and the rest follows the themed world itself. It's just not very interesting.
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>>136665677
>Please point to a map and show me the exact country named Spagonia along with Mobius loop structures, Angel Island, and Central City.
It's a fictionalized Earth. Dragon Ball does the same shit.
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I hope both Sega and Sonic tanks one day.
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>>136666157
>universe where everyone wears a funny hat
they’re absolutely gonna do that
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>>136666295
Was this made before or after the show premiered, because it's so on the nose it hurts.
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>>136666290
Too big to fail, just like Disney, Nintendo, Konami, EA etc.
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>>136663853
>In fact, they’re a feature in how it forces the writer to get MORE creative
Creative in trying to do what they're not allowed to do, which often ends up just being a heavily watered down version of what they wanted. Either that or they have to abandon their original idea completely.
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>>136665968
Looking for it. It was an interview/AnA where they say that there was a bunch of shit Sega vetoed/tried to veto during the second film.
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>>136666324
made on the day the premise was announced, lmao
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>>136666215
Honestly, it feels like Sega can't touch the interesting multiverses with a 10 foot bargepole due to Archie.
We get interesting universes like "What if Eggman took over everything? (Again)", "What if everyone was a pirate?" or "What if Team Sonic was tribal?". But if there was an mirror universe, Sega gets sued by Ken Penders for ripping off Scourge the Hedgehog.
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>>136666377
>>136665968
>>136663624
For how insane Sega's mandates are, they really have nothing on Nintendo's. Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.

That's probably why there's no TV show or comic.
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>>136666207
That's not what I asked. 

>>136666252
Dragonball Earth stopped having weird fantastical shit like dinosaurs or shit decades ago. Not the fucking same, when Sonic still has these elements still being present.

Dragonball also doesn't assume that the planet more or less has no similarities to Earth whatsoever.
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>>136665677
>And instead, it makes him look like a Mary Sue.
Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
>Especially in IDW, where he's a borderline psychopath.
That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.
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>>136666409
>"What if everyone was a pirate?"
>"What if Team Sonic was tribal?"

And somehow these STILL ended up being uninteresting.
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>>136666413
Sega made idw delay and redraw a comic issue because evan made Sonic blush in a panel. Tracy Yardley’s shown several times in IDW sega made him redraw because the expression on Sonic’s face was going too far
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>>136666413
Ian and Archie pitched a Mario comic to Nintendo. They rejected it because Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit. So Nintendo rightfully told him to fuck off.
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>>136663947
Any musician who started out doing sampled music vs. when they got big enough to write for actual orchestra.
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>>136666428
>That's on Ian. The man can't write within Sega's specifications when it should be simple enough.

He's also way too attached to the SatAM/Archie setup to write anything too removed from it. That's how we ended up with "The Restoration", which is just the Freedom Fighters under a shitty new banner.
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>>136666428
>Sonic is Sega's mascot first and foremost. To them, anything they deem makes him look "bad" reflects poorly on both the brand and the company.
The fact you lack the self-awareness to comprehend how retarded this is is hilarious.

>That's on Ian.
Literally never wrote him like this in Archir, schizo.,
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>>136666460
Name. 10. Writers. This should be easy if it's as common as you claim. 

>>136666462
The Restoration is literally just the Resistance from Forces retooled. Did Ian retroactively create Forces too in your schizophrenia-addled mind?
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>>136666525
Forces WAS originally supposed to have the Freedom Fighters in it, isn't that how the story goes?
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>>136666525
>as you claim.
Not the same anon. Anyways this applies to so many composers it's not even funny.
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I will never understand corpo dickriders
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>>136666538
No. Even the earliest scripts we know of have nothing regarding to the Freedom Fighters.

>>136666590
It's mostly /sthg/.
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>>136666456
>rightfully
lol
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>>136666568
>Not the same anon.
Sure. Name 10 writers.
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Fuck batch uploads and binge watching
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>>136666615
Their IP, their rules. Don’t like it? There’s the door. Basic shit.
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>>136666652
ok bootlicker.
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>>136666652
Fuck off, Miyamoto.
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>>136665851
If you wanna be schizo go ahead.
I asked a question, answer it or don't.
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>>136663871
Most of /co/ would not last 5 minutes as a Transformers fan
Lots of Transformers fans can't even last as Transformers fans
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>>136663947
Executive meddling is a thing happens all the time with media. It’s how we got the Cell Saga as Toriyama was told by his editor that the Androids were too lame to be the villains so he created Cell. Many of the things that people loved in Naruto were all suggestions from the editor. Also all the creative ways to get around censorship that many cartoons did back then.
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>>136667152
Suggestions =/= mandates.
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>>136667418
Don't bother, Slashy here is a retard that just wants to start shit.
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>>136667485
You can't just call everyone who thinks the exaggeration of corporate stipulations on storytelling is stupid Slashy.
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>>136656331 (OP)
It's weirdly boring. Also couldn't give less of a shit about alternate reality versions of existing characters, nor multiverse shit for that matter, so that doesn't help.
Great action scene animation though, and the characters are nice and expressive.
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>>136666456
>Ian wanted to take the IP in a dramatic turn. Soap opera shit.
Luigi getting scared and running away, then coming back to save Mario is soap opera shit?
NoA actually liked the pitch, it was NoJ that rejected it.
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>>136667597
>NoA actually liked the pitch
NoA also greenlit Golden Sun Dark Dawn, really fucked up on Xenoblade X's localization, and was effectively neutered a few years after this pitch.
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>this thread 
It’s not even like the takes on the show itself is the problem, but rather the bizarre ones related to video games instead. Like how fucking retarded do you have to be to even mutter the phrase “Zelda is dying”

Is this what happens when you stay indoors all day and don’t even try to interact others offline?
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>>136667686
And NoJ did Other M, ruined the Mario RPGs among other shit.
That's not even the point, if NoA was receptive it's unlikely it was breaking any marketing guidelines. NoJ probably didn't even look at it, they just weren't interested in publishing any comics.
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>>136663853
This. There's many ways to write these furries in ways that isn't Le Adventure era fanwank
Most of these characters moved on past that point, some got simplified past that point, but there's more than enough material to work with what's there, it's just fans don't want that because they are faggots that never coped and grew up or hack writers that are too lazy to be creative in the first place.
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>>136667944
>if NoA was receptive it's unlikely it was breaking any marketing guidelines
Probably not.
Anon wasn't saying it did. They said Ian's story-focused pitch wasn't what Nintendo wanted. And that's probably true.
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>>136666295
They really should have been able to go wild with Prime, an IP like Sonic is ripe for this stuff, even Archie knew that.
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>>136668324
The problem is that there's no timeline to deviate from. This would have worked better as a part of an established Sonic continuity rather than a new one.
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>>136665022
>>no humans
More like
>Humans only if it adds to the plot
See; Sage. Humans exist, as Tail Channel confirmed the long considered headcanon it was always on difference islands with a massive ocean separating them. Either you have a game about furries or a game about humans, never both at the same time.

>>no kingdoms or government
When? Humans have both in SA2 and 06, and furries have the Restoration in IDW/Forces.

>>no money
They have money, it's just not a big deal. Unlike Mario's golden coins, Rings aren't always money but we never get to see US dollars even in SA2 because they had joke money with Sonic's face on it. Even back then SEGA never wanted a real currency that's set in stone, just the idea of it existing when it's relevant to the plot.

>>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
Blame Archie. It's Earth and always been Earth
The problem is it being irl Earth because it completely conflicted with the cartoon furries that, unlike in media like Roger Rabbit, doesn't come from some "toon world" portal that connects the 2 and never once been established as the case. As of recent however humans are now starting to be properly cartoonified to fit with everyone else so it's no longer a problem.

>>Sonic isn't allowed to lose
Neither does Goku, which Sonic is based off of. Japs like their hero's to win against all odds, unlike capeshit comics.
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>>136665677

First off
>Mobians
Dilate

Secondly
>which still depicts Mobians as the sole/dominant species on the planet
Because the only time humans mattered was explicitly when Sonic Team moved to the US. After they went back to Japland they stop using humans. It was either focus on Sonic, focus on his friends or like 10% of them, or have a game that needed more than Sonic's friends to fight Eggman who was actively going for just the furries, like in 90% of his past entries.

Eggman doesn't really go after humans unless they go after him. Otherwise, he has more reasons to attack the furries because, well, blame Sonic being a cunt I guess.
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>>136668324
>an IP like Sonic is ripe for this stuff, even Archie knew that.

When Archie started SatAM was all they had to work with. Things are very different now.
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>>136667737
zelda died the moment it started following trends rather than set them.
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I made webms a long ass time ago
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>>136668780
Based
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>>136668780
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>>136668809
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>>136668848
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>>136668876
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>>136662348
Wow, that's pretty stupid. If they had done it in 2008 that would have been a great get, now it's just a tremendous waste of money. Angry Birds in 2023+ is not going to recoup that investment in any way.
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>>136668911
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>>136668848
It was good to see Anti-Knuckles animated
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>>136668937
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>>136666324
I don't remember 5 different GHZs like Shitbroc's image implies.

The Eggmanland one is point for point the "expectations" one while the other 4 worlds they went to is more like standard tropes instead of "scary Pontraff meme humor".
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>>136668933
They need an excuse for where a bunch of money disappears to in the next few years. A failing mobile brand is a great smokescreen.
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>>136668977
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>>136668977
that kick shouldn't have carried that momentum. My inmersion is destroyed.
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>>136668991
And the other 4 worlds were disappointingly uninteresting. ESPECIALLY the pirate world.
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>>136666413
>Nintendo forbids Mario from being POSED in certain ways.
That's because they know it would make Sonic look bad kek.
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>>136669031
man these filenames are fucked lol
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>>136669061
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>>136669080
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>>136662348
so they can throw 1 billion at angry birds but they cant give their game development more time?
I hate corporations
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>>136669109
>>136669017
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>>136669103
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>>136669130
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>>136669147
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>>136669172
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>>136669209
and last one
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>>136669109
>more time
in wagie world, needing more time says more about your skill as a developer more than anything.
Buying an animation studio that has a great box office record? that's a great business move.
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>>136656331 (OP)
It bothers me that this show is set in Green Hill Zone. The Problem is that Sonic has no central location.
A Mario cartoon would be set in the Mushroom Kingdom. And Peach's Castle would be a locale for plots.
Sonic doesn't really have that, maybe South Island? Canonically Green Hill is just some grassy plains.
In Sonic Generations he doesn't remember it at all. But all these media try to place it as his birth home.
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>>136656683
All these cute girls (and uncomfortably cute Tails) across multiple dimensions and I simp for the giant turkey.
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>>136669413
It;s literally the first fucking stage in Sonic 1, where the fuck else would South Island's first stage be located?

This is fucking bait, right? Just because SEGA is shit at writing does not change that GHZ is Sonic's homeland stage.
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>>136669459
Doesn't Sonic live on that beach or was that just in the OVA?
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>>136669413
The existence of Shadow in this show implies the existence of GUN and the United Federation, so it's even more weird that Sonic and his friends are so focused on Green Hill Zone.
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>>136669432
Tails is the cutest one there
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>>136662348
Reminder that Prime was originally gonna be made by a japanese studio as an anime series before Sega outsourced to Canada because it's cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DicTicCVhb4 [Embed]
We get shitty student-film tier cgi that won't even create original characters because it's too much work to model them and it's 5 shekels cheaper
This RobSchneidershit gets the damn animation you've ever seen in your life
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>>136669459
It's actually not. Sonic was just passing through. It's not even the first time he's fought Eggman.
Green Hill Zone is just another tropical coast will rolling hills and checkerboarded dirt patterns.
In the grand schemes of thing it's not really important in universe at all, it's just the first level.
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>>136669498
>Doesn't Sonic live on that beach or was that just in the OVA?
That's in South Island, where Green Hill is located.
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>>136669769
That's what I thought
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>>136669459
He was originally said to be born in Christmas Island. Years later, Naka stated that Christmas Island was the island in the first game which is South Island. Meaning that Christmas Island was the prototype name for South Island. Ergo, Sonic's home is South Island, or Green Hill to be exact.
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>>136669413
>mario mario mario
mindbroken
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>>136669109
To be fair, giving more money to goddamn Sonic Team off all things is just as big of a waste.
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>>136669837
I didn't know that Christmas Island wasn't canon anymore. That's weird.
Why didn't Sonic recognize Green Hill in Generations if he lives there
>>136670093
This franchise has been compare to Mario since its inception get over it.
Why are you being a little bitch?
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>>136656331 (OP)
They made a "multiverse" without actually going to any of the iterations people wanted to see. Even a short visit to AOSTH, BOOM, Sonic X or SATAM would have worked wonders. This was precisely the wrong concept to use for a Sonic show at a time where Iizuka is trying to construct his "one true Sonic canon."
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>>136670326
nobody fucking cares about archie anymore.
You are a vocal minority for a comic that never sold even a million copies of any issue, and whose entire run got absolutely shat on by the sales of just IDW #1. You are not a significant demographic, just a very small band of 40 year old hipsters with inflated egos incapable of moving on. Noone cares about archie anymore. Noone cared to see prime for archie.
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>>136670191
>I didn't know that Christmas Island wasn't canon anymore. That's weird.
It was introduced in promotional material released BEFORE Sonic 1. This was when he still had a band and all that stuff. Obviously they changed it to South Island for the final release.
>Why didn't Sonic recognize Green Hill in Generations if he lives there
Sonic fucked off from South Island after Sonic 1 and became a vagabond. Probably hasn't been there for some time. Either that or bad writing.
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>>136670191
>This franchise has been compare to Mario since its inception get over it.
>Why are you being a little bitch?
No, sonic as a franchise was never expected to be like Mario, they are compared because they are from rival companies, but outside of jumping they never had anything in common.
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>>136670437
>Noone cared to see prime for archie.
Noone cared to see prime at all.
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>>136670437
My guy he's talking about seeing other Sonic shows in a multiverse, stop having Archie live rent free in your head
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>>136670558
learn what "rent free" means, seething archiecuck. Nigger posted the satam/archie cast, he's obviously bawling about no archie in muh prime, even though archie isn't popular anymore and pandering to archiefaggots doesn't add anyone or anything to their viewership because noone fucking likes archie anymore.
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>>136670558
If the multiverse concept actually did cover other continuities, I imagine Archie fans would be the most vocal about it by far.
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>>136670803
they're gonna add the idw cast. The same guy who said they're not gonna add archie basically confirmed as much in the same sentence. Went: "Archie? No, not at all. They're absolutely fucking not getting in. IDW? I'm legally not allowed to say"
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>>136670540
I wasn't saying Sonic should be more like Mario I like Sonic more.
I was just contrasting franchises that historically competed together.
So much that they have a series where they compete in the Olympics .
Mario has a great influence on Sonic, if you deny then you're delusional.
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>>136670688
Your projecting your own seething pretty hard
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>>136669109
>>136662348
>>136670143
>best we can do is Big the Cat and the same two models for every background character cus we don't got no money 
>spends 1 billion on angry birds
Well shit the models couldn't have been that expensive
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>>136669724
There's nothing stating otherwise. It's literally the first location you start in Sonic history, any other Japanese game that does this same thing doesn't later imply the hero lives somewhere else, unlike stated otherwise like Mario being from Brooklyn.
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>>136671070
Makes sense though, most Sonic shows (and games, to a lesser extent) flop hard, or become solely loved by a niche group of fans, which is why no matter what they do, they always like to half-ass it and reduce the risk of getting burned too badly.
Awful from a fan perspective, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
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>>136670191
>Why didn't Sonic recognize Green Hill in Generations if he lives there
Because any and all games written by Ken Pontac and Graff are non canon, especially now that Ian took over.
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>>136670914
>Mario has a great influence on Sonic
like?
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>>136668510
>Neither does Goku
Goku has lost a ton what the fuck are you talking about
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>>136671638
Enjoy being wrong when Ian inevitably references any of those games.
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>>136656331 (OP)
No one watches netflix anymore.
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>>136672017
He already did, Zavok was namedropped in Frontiers.
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>>136671609
>doesn't later imply the hero lives somewhere else
It doesn't imply he lives there either. You just start the game, until they kept bringing it back, it never felt important.
Green Hill just became some liminal marketing space .That's why in Forces it's part of the mainland, not an Island.
I don't even know if Sonic Prime is set on South Island. Where are the other Zones like Marble and Aquatic Ruin?
>>136671638
>All games written by Pontaff are non canon
Sure, I guess that's as good a answer as any I could give.
>>136671749
Exactly like Lost World. Zavok is just a worst Bowser.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Yeah, I was especting some fun moments and good jokes, but this wasnt nearly as good as Sonic Boom.
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>>136656723
>they're just trying to find a gimmick to attach to the Adventure-style gameplay
None of those games had "Adventure-style" gameplay.
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>>136671767
>Goku has lost a ton
Since fucking when, Cell Saga? Ever since it's been the Goku Hour since all thanks to Jap seething.
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>>136665022
>the planet has no name and must be refered to as Sonic's World
MOBIUS?
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>>136656331 (OP)
>tails: SONIC, IT'S A TRAP!
>sonic: ok.
>tails: IT'S A TRAP!
>sonic: I know, you already told me.
>tails: IT'S A TRAP!
>sonic: I KNOW! BUT THE ROBOT KEEPS ATTACKING ME!
>tails: IT'S A TRAP!
>sonic: TELL ME WHAT IS THE DAMN TRAP!
>tails: IT'S A TRAP!
>sonic falls into the trap.
>tails gets annoyed with sonic.

FUCK YOU TAILS.
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>>136672712
He hasn't beaten an antagonist since Buu
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>>136672712
>Defeated by Beerus in the opening of BoG
>Got wounded and benched by a laser in Resurrection F
>Got poisoned and benched by Frost in the U6 Tournament
>Retreated from Goku Black
>Blown away by Jiren in ToP
>Retreated from Moro
>Effortlessly one shot and defeated by Black Frieza
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>>136672941
I mean Eggman outright tells Sonic he's asking for it and Sonic still doesn't get it because he's not paying attention and mad Eggman insulted his boyfriend.
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>>136656614
Supposedly
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>>136673400
Beaten /= lost to, retard.
Sonic never losing is not at all the same as he's never beaten anyone, which he CLEARLY fucking always do, just like Goku. Just because he killed Frieza doesn't mean "that's the only time he ever won".

>>136674043
>Super
DBZ is what Sonic is based on, not Super. Even then, he didn't lose just so some other faggot can save the day, except for Trunks, which is only done since it was his story arc (even though they ruined it at the end) not an average Goku Hour arc.
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>>136658186
They didn't actually do that with Stone Ocean did they? I can't imagine a worse release schedule for an anime. Heck, for any kind of series.
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>>136656347
I hope the batch release costs netflix a lot of money that they cannot push any more IPS using it.
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>>136660201
Strange considering the out there stuff cape films have covered even if they were watered down
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>>136675777
Checked
They did. That shit was released in two bursts and the hype and memes were nothing compared to Golden Wind. I pray they don't do the same to part 7.
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>>136668933
The reason Angry Birds in 2023+ is failing because of bad management. Like, legendarily bad. They took the original game off the App Store.
They just need new execs to come in and say "hey, put the games back on the store so we start making money again."
$1 bil is a little much for the current market value though, agreed on that.
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>>136668809
>Leaving out the next part where it shows both from the front and Tails has teleported back beside Rusty despite just walking away with Big
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>>136665677
>Central City
Uh it's where The Flash lives, dipshit.
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>>136669031
>Sweeps her legs
>She goes flying backwards
What
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>>136662348
To put that $1 Billion into perspective, Sega's market cap is $4.8 Billion, so that's 20% of the company's money gone
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>>136670437
People who blew their first load to preboot-Sally still care about Archie.
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>>136676808
Wow, that really does sound awful. I mean it's murder for cartoon discussion but anime is pretty much built on that weekly release schedule. I can't imagine how short lived the hype and interest for that season must have been released like that. I really don't get why they keep trying that schedule. I'd have thought viewer retention would be a big deal to these services and I can't imagine anything keep a viewer subscribed better than them having to wait for the next episode.
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>>136666022
Takes one to know one.
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>>136676908
Rovio is still making money, relative to the past couple of years that is, but $1B is way too much for Sega which isn't that big of a company in the first place.
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>>136662348
>SEGA has $1 billion lying around to spend on studio
>No new Super Monkey Ball (that isn't a re-release/remake)
>No new Trauma Center
>No new Vectorman 
>No new Golden Axe
>No new Jet Set Radio (though that new leak might be something)
>No new Nights
I see how it is.
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>>136669623
Ita been confirmed that gun cant handle the threats Sonic and his friends face when fighting eggman and are probably out of commission as eggman terminatrd them already.
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>>136677687
the robot punches her
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>>136669031
I hate the stretching part of Rusty Rose.

I don't hate it as a concept, it's just so lazy how they did it. Rather than her limbs telescoping like what would make sense, they literally just stretch the models out, and it looks so awful.
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>>136656331 (OP)
Still a good one tho
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>>136674043
>>Blown away by Jiren in ToP
not how i remember it
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>>136656331 (OP)
eh
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>>136656331 (OP)
>Kinda feel like this show just came and went with zero fanfare.
Sounds like typical overyhyped Sonic. Nothing new, nothing great ever comes from its shitty franchise
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After watching Boom this show felt really forced and tryhard.
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>>136668715
Archieschizo...
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>>136656682
They've gone safe and uwu hekkinwholesome with it like the rest of it.
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I wish they played around with references more and maybe some cameos in the background. Yes even her.
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>>136665332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Dw8Og8Xjc [Embed]
SEGA is pouring money into a new game that is trying to capture the Overwatch/Valorant/CSGO crowd, without realising the bubble for Hero shooters has burst, and Riot and Valve already have established fanbases on top of a history of providing support for titles

SEGA is basically committing suicide in slow motion, and they are the only ones who don't see this coming; after SEGA tried bragging about how much money they spent on this project and the trailer got released, everyone except SEGA knows that this will probably kill SEGA, or if not then at least cause mass layoffs at the company
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>>136657103
>he doesn't know
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>>136685192
>SEGA
>mass layoffs
sorry to burst your bubble but Japanese companies are forbidden by law from doing that
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>No sticks

Fuck you
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>>136672712
>Since fucking when
Yamcha, Roshi/Jackie Chun, Tien, Tao, King Piccolo, Vegeta twice, Ginyu, Android 19, Cell
After Cell: Beerus, Freeza and his asshole with the ring laser, Goku Black, Hit, Jiren, Broly, Vegeta again, Moro, Granolah, Freeza Black
Even if you want to say Super doesn't count, Goku still has notable losses, it sounds like you've never read or even watched Dragon Ball
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>>136685377
Sticks is annoy
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>>136656347
it's crazy how much this has changed discussion/attention
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>>136686118
I still remember the time when people were complaining about Disney+ releasing episodes of the Mandalorian or some shit weekly as if it was a step back.
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Mandates (or lack thereof) have really fucked up discussion of sonic huh?
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>>136679546
ugh you're right that's awful
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I was already into Rouge but this show made me want it even more
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>>136676753
>Strange considering the out there stuff cape films have covered even if they were watered down
>they were watered down

Most of the multiverse stuff that capeshit has been doing is just the same dudes with different hats, which is what Prime is guilty of.

the reason I mentioned inter-dimensional kingdoms and time travel as filters for normies, is that it asking normies to actually get invested in Sonic lore, and they don't want that.