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--- 136662256
>super sons omni is getting it's third reprinting in three years
>each reprint adds more content
So why do people like Tom Taylor try and gaslight us into think Super Sons was a horrible flop? Oh no the floppy sales were poor? It's almost like single issue comics are a dying format nobody wants, especially not the target audience for Super Sons.
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>>136662256 (OP)
>So why do people like Tom Taylor try and gaslight us into think Super Sons was a horrible flop
Tom said that?
--- 136662410
>>136662256 (OP)
>So why do people like Tom Taylor try and gaslight us into think Super Sons was a horrible flop?

Because it's now a personal thing for Taylor. If aged-up and gay Fake Jon fails, then it means he failed and somehow his entire ideology has failed. 

Floppy sales of Super Sons were actually solid and did around the same business as Miles Morales (25,000-35,000) at the time. It had a core audience and it's only grown over time. Not to mention that Jon works as Superboy and a kid, not aged-up as nobody needed or wants a second Superman.
--- 136662828
>>136662256 (OP)
DC will never de-age Jon, he already tasted the cock and putting an adult back in a young body is too much of an interesting take for them to use.
I would say wait for the next reboot, but he'll probably get retconned just like Chris was. It is ironic that both character had the same destiny of being aged up and falling into irrelevance - it is almost like this shitty company can't learn from its mistakes.
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>>136662410
It's even a poor idea from a business sense because deaging Jon means you get to sell a story about coming to terms with his orientation.
--- 136662966
It is genuinely hilarious how they can see the obvious but are far too scared of getting called no no words on the internet to really do anything about it. Shotafags, superfags, batfags, wholesomefags, shippers, normal people that just want to read fun cape stories and pretty much everyone else all prefer the Supersons version of Jon. Meanwhile even actual faggots don't give a shit about adult Jon outside of performative Twitter and Reddit posts.
--- 136663337
>>136662966
It's gotta be mostly Twitter because even leddit finds the adult Jon stuff Taylor writes boring.
--- 136663652
>DC was so fucked up after Didio's firing that top editors didn't know bat editors were making Tim Drake gay at the same time as Tom making Jon gay and had they known they would have intervened to coordinate (and probably tell the coming out story with Tim only)
--- 136663965
>>136662256 (OP)
I imagine Tom and friends doesn't want Superman to have a kid at all. This isn't the first time people at DC has sabotaged characters that found an audience. Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain come to mind. That said, characters that are not major IPs in general are more vulnerable to bad writers since management has less interest in protecting them.
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>>136663965
the Superman office seems very split on the issue PJK clearly wants Superman to have kids and thinks that makes for an interesting dynamic but also can't/won't de-age Jon under any circumstances, whereas Joshua Williams I don't think wants Jon to anywhere near his book and would prefer if the Super Family stuff was not going on.
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>>136664212
>PJK clearly wants Superman to have kids and thinks that makes for an interesting dynamic but also can't/won't de-age Jon under any circumstances.
Then PKJ is part of the problem. The twins don't have the same dynamic and he clearly has no idea what made Jon initially work.
>Joshua Williams I don't think wants Jon to anywhere near his book.
Understandable, but Jon is appearing in Superman #2 and #3.
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>>136662899
They screwed themselves out of years of coming of age stories for Jon Kent and a Superboy for generations. It was colossal stupidity on Didio and Bendis' part, but now the current editors are continuing that idiocy.
>>136662828
>it is almost like this shitty company can't learn from its mistakes.
Yep.
>>136663337
Even people at CBR who usually cheer-lead this stuff don't like aged-up Jon.
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>>136662410
>Not to mention that Jon works as Superboy and a kid, not aged-up as nobody needed or wants a second Superman.

We dont need another derivative of Superman even as a boy. Jon is a poor character as he cant get out as his own character from Supermans and Lois shadow like the entitled little shit he is.
--- 136664525
Reminder that they'll be in Flash #797 on Tuesday.
--- 136664709
>>136662256 (OP)
Again, it's not because of being a flop, but rather because Bendis is somewhat still in DC. That, combined with Taylor getting full control of Teen!Jon and how media current media sees him makes it hard for Kid Jon to come back.

Now, if say, Bendis and Taylor fuck off from the company, can Kid Jon return? Perhaps, but it's gonna take A LOT of working to explain the complete shift in character for Superman, Lois and Jon, because like... how can you explain the absolute disaster that was his sudden grow up to everyone?
--- 136664929
>>136664508
>current editors are continuing that idiocy
Why wouldn't people Didio installed be just as retarded as him?
--- 136664959
>>136664525
>have to wait until next years super sons omni reprint for this issue to be included
Glad I didn't pick up the first edition when it came out a few years ago. Now I just have to wait until they stop adding more content though.
--- 136665439
Supersons movie 2 when?
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>>136664709
>Bendis is somewhat still in DC
Is he? I thought he left after his League vs Legion book ended.
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>>136665523
We haven't heard of a new indie project from his hand, so he's probably still with a job in DC. Then again, there's a chance he's still under a NDA deal like WWE wrestlers have, so I dunno.
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>>136664525
I’ll be checking this out for sure.
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>>136664929
I think they might be worse than him actually.
--- 136667512
>>136662256 (OP)
>3rd reprint
based. Fuck you Kid Jon Haters
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>>136665605
The only thing that he may still be involved in DC wise is the animated series that’s supposedly based on his run aside from that he’s gone
--- 136668582
its easy. literally just have superman and jon fight off some evil being trying to eat time.

when they kill it it explodes and superman and little jon are on the ground very confused as to what happened. the last 7 years or so have been consumed, it never happened to them. for jon, he was never taken and is still 10. for clark its a little more tragic that he doesnt remember the last 7 years and they can work that in as a distraction so people can accept jon as a little kid again.

you could very well have jon alone deliver the killing blow but then thats too convenient and blatant
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>>136667512
Do people still hate Damian?
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>>136664525
Let him cook.
--- 136669629
>>136662256 (OP)
>3rd reprint on a fairly expensive omnibus
Is aging and sissifying Jon the biggest screw up in years?
Marvel/DC do a lot of dumb things but this might take the cake.
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>>136668582
>distraction so people can accept jon as a little kid again.
you don't even need that it was such a obvious shit idea that no one likes aging him up in the first place
--- 136669750
>>136662256 (OP)
>It's almost like single issue comics are a dying format nobody wants, especially not the target audience for Super Sons.
Saw a sales analysis video on Super Sons and while the single issues didn't sell so hot, the collected volumes sold pretty good on Amazon. So you're right.
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>>136669527
>irey's brother
lol isn't that the truth
--- 136669798
When is the next reprint?
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>>136669777
Checked
--- 136669831
You know I'd like to point out we can have 2 Wally Wests, so why not have 2 Jons?
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>>136669750
floppies are shit I can see why people don't buy them
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>>136669831
because kid Jon would completely over shadow young adult Jon and his virtue signalling ass
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>>136669896
But Classic Wally already does that with Black Wally. Isn't that a precedent that could make this work?
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>>136669527
Poor Jai
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>>136669629
$125 is more than fairly expensive imo.
--- 136670027
>>136669798
October 31, 2023
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>>136669896
Just make him gay for Damian. Fujos that have shipped them for years get happy, woke Twitterds, hack writter that want to virtue signal get happy, shareholders get happy, etc.
--- 136670060
>>136669831
because then young jon and pedo jon would constantly be forced to interact by editorial. when ever kid jon shows up he will be asking where pedo jon is.
--- 136670079
>jon is a kid again
>groomer tranny editors keep him gay
>now he flirts with men, living out the fetishes of the faggot pedo writers
maybe he should stay as an adult
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>>136670014
They raised the price for the new one right? Must be like 900 pages now.
--- 136670281
>>136669629
>Is aging and sissifying Jon the biggest screw up in years?

It was a pratfall of epic proportions. And DC is sticking with it, which is even worse.
--- 136670348
Little entitled white boy adventures arent for casuals.
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>>136665439

Apparently never because they basically pushed it out late, refused to promote it, etc.

I mean the goose ain't dead but it sure is plucked.
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>>136670440
That’s a shame it was like the only good animated DC movie that’s been put out recently
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>>136670440
Whaaat. It did great on streaming though and kids actually liked it.
--- 136671591
>>136671456
DC are dumb people keep telling them with real money this it what they want but they refuse to actually sell more of it to people
--- 136672054
>>136668995
those who only know him from Titans and early apperances
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>>136669831
this, and have them in a lot of 'misunderstandings' and thick sexual tensions. Have BabyJon be jealous of Jay over his Onii-san
--- 136672177
>>136670079
>Sasoi Jon
--- 136672699
Just age Damian up.
--- 136672957
>>136672699
One look at adult Damian will have Jon go full gay and dump that pink twink stat.
--- 136673324
>>136672177
>jon taking a walk into town
--- 136673576
remember what they took from you
--- 136673631
>>136673576
jon being gohan was better than jon being a lame faggot
--- 136673746
>>136673576
Jeremy Adams will save us.
--- 136673748
>>136673576
>Bruce, you didn't say "thanks for the pie"
>I don't give a flying fuck whether or not you'll eat it
>watch your fucking manners and say "thanks"
--- 136673777
things can never go back to how they were. even if jon is de-aged he will just get a 10 year old male love interest.
--- 136673790
>>136673576
This was fun, I miss it.
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>>136673777
>he will just get a 10 year old male love interest
yeah, damian
--- 136674146
>>136662319
No.
--- 136674161
How can this place salivate so much for SuperSons and yet consistently hate the fuck out of Damian?
--- 136674240
>>136674161
they keep fucking him up and putting him at odds with batman. hes only normal in supersons
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>>136674161
Damian is only tolerable when he has a character that can deflect his edginess. It's no coincidence that Dickbats and supersons are when he's the most enjoyable while him being with Bruce or even "his" titans is pretty awful. Sassy older chick is fine too. It just werks
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>>136673777
>10 yr old boy crush
>katy
>Damian
>Nobody III
>Starfire
Jon as a harem protag

make it happen.
--- 136674272
I just realized we could technically make Jon the "Trunks" of the Superman canon. DBZ has two Trunks and no one cares
--- 136674297
>>136674161
Damian requires a more upbeat character present to mitigate his intrinsic shittiness. This is why people liked supersons and dickbat.
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>>136674272
he started off as gohan, but youre right. this jon could literally be from a different dimension and the REAL jon is still a kid
--- 136674317
>>136674297
This. Aging up Jon didnt ruin one character, it ruined at least two
--- 136674378
>>136674304
>this jon could literally be from a different dimension
Ultraman's son from Earth 3, there to usurp the Superman Dynasty and bring about the downfall of Superman Prime.
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>>136674161
have you ever considered that the people wishing for the super sons to return and the people who hate damian aren't the same people?
--- 136674412
Would it still create backlash if it was revealed that aged up Jon was a fake, unbeknownst to him as well, but still accepted by the Superfamily?
--- 136674445
>>136674412
yes, twitter would still have a meltdown because that would mean the chuds won.
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>>136674317
I'm particularly irritated that, even after the bendising, they didn't really try to put them back together and experiment with a reversed age dynamic changing their interactions. Even if he had the gay thing locked in, they could have got a writer with more interesting ideas and better taste than Asians with purplish hair dye.
--- 136674512
>>136674412
>would it create backlash if we did something that was very obviously a bigot's tantrum instead of an actual attempt to improve the character
that's a toughie
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>>136674512
Who's the bigot here, and why are you trying to paint someone like that?
--- 136674609
>>136674548
this is an adults-only website
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>>136674161
Super sons made me like him actually.
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>>136674512
Yeah, I think at this stage it's better to hope some new writer comes and improves on his character, giving him interesting stories and stuff.
--- 136674706
Post the Irey bullying Damian page.
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>>136674609
You didn't answer my question, you threw out an accusation from left field
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>>136674713
The problem is your reading comprehension. No one specific is being accused of anything.
>>136674693
The real question is how to defeat Taylor since he seems determined not to do anything interesting or fun.
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>>136674412
They could just bring back kid Jon and say some timeline bullshit happened and they’re both Jon
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>>136674752
Who or what is the "bigot's tantrum" here? Elaborate
--- 136674850
>anon tries to pick a fight with bad faith questioning
lol
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>>136674765
we dont need or want adult jon. no need to keep him
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>>136674850
Huh?
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>>136674867
They’ll never get rid of the gay Superman anon, best you’ll get is kid Jon back via some temporal bullshit where both can exist at the same time and be different people.
--- 136675064
Alright look, I'll admit it. I hate big Jon. I want little Jon back, but for fetish reasons, I want him to still be gay and be forward with it. 

But this is just porn and not fit for a wide audience, but he should still be a kid and show us how Clark deals with a growing boy and his efficacy as a father. We got cucked out of MANY growth arcs.
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>>136674996
This stupid fucking tranny fad will end one day and THEN he won't be safe
--- 136675134
>>136675109
What do trannies have to do with anything? And the only people constantly going on about them are the same ones screeching about Jon's sexual orientation.
--- 136675154
You guys ever think 10 to 20 years from now society will look back at this woke era as another "oh yeah, that didn't age well"?
--- 136675208
>>136675154
>normie society will magically become more reactionary in 20 years because I want to be right
That's pretty unlikely and also off topic. Tell us how awful Jon's boyfriend is.
--- 136675226
>>136670281
There are millions of ways to bring back kid job in the logic of comics
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>>136675134
>>136675208
youre not welcome here
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>>136675226
Indeed, but they keep refusing to try any of them. You easily could have Older Jon (the Bendis age-up) and Kid Jon (the real deal) co-exist as "brothers" like the cloned Peter Parkers, Ben and Kaine, in Spider-Man. Super Sons comes back, Jon returns to prep school with Damian, and older Jon (now called Jordan like the Superman and Lois series) has his own adventures. Everyone gets what they want. And it would beat the stupid twins that Phillip Kennedy Johnson is pushing.

But Tom Taylor would see that as a failure as well, so he's never going to let it happen. His Jon Kent must be THE one and only Jon Kent. Nothing else will suffice in his eyes. It's not about pleasing fans for Taylor, it's about "winning."
--- 136676059
>>136676019
You got a problem there, the OG Jon is way younger than Damian currently. Damian is like 14 now, and he aged up naturally.

The dynamic won't be the same.
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>>136676059
The only other possibility is de-aging and getting rid of the adult Jon, and things resetting back to pre-Bendis. We're talking right before Jon left for space with his crazy grandfather. But DC will not go for that.
--- 136676495
>>136662256 (OP)
Can't they just introduce a straight son this age from another universe that's stranded here, named Jim or Joe or Jerry, or Jordan for show synergy
--- 136676545
>>136676059
Have Jim or whatever from >>136676495 be the same age as Damian currently
Say Jon is his older brother but he, Clark and Lois all died, so Clark from the main universe adopts him
--- 136676548
superb sons
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>>136676495
Duncan, since there is a Connor
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>>136676495
>Jordan for show synergy
mite be cool.
--- 136676787
>>136676495
Make him a redhead, Clark and Lana's son
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>>136676787
Named Alex after their friend, not-evil Luthor
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>>136676787
>>136676846
I believe you have something interesting going on there.
But how would you explain Lois's cucking without making Supes look like a dick?
--- 136679004
>>136676059
Actually it's not a problem. Jon had hit puberty when he went into space and could return as a thirteen year-old. Damian at fourteen is fine. They could even be in the same grade and share a dorm room at West-Reeve. Problem solved.

The other stuff of bringing in other sons from other universes who are not Jon is pointless. DC has the twins already.
--- 136679089
>>136678629
no, just go with it. old school
--- 136679498
>>136679004
>return as a thirteen year-old
kys. 11 is the oldest he should be to get back to the three year age gap.
--- 136679538
>>136662256 (OP)
>more content
Like what?
--- 136679552
>>136674263
>>136674297
>>136674317
Why the hell does Damian need a upbeat character to bounce off him, this aint a anime. Damian is already a cheeky and fun character compared to his other family. Jons doesnt do it for me, whats unique about him compared to conner.
--- 136679621
>>136679552
>does Damian need a upbeat character to bounce off him

You got a point there. This would be true for like 10 year old Damian Wayne, or 12, 13. But 14 year old Damian is doing fine without an upbeat character.

His Robin series proves that he can hold his own without Jon. He's got Flatline, Connor Hawke, and the other murder Assassins.
--- 136679752
>>136674263
>All the stupid kid shit we missed them fighting about
--- 136679939
>>136678629
In not-Jon's universe Clark married Lana instead
--- 136679951
>super sons gets revived
>it's a webtoon
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>>136679752
>we will never get the supersons version of /co/ vs /a/
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>>136664525
I can already imagine Irey vs Damian round 2
--- 136680160
>>136678629
>>136679939
So his universe's family all die and somehow he gets here, and Clark can't make him live with Lana and whoever she's with because they're not superpowered, only he can cope with it, and Lois goes along because it's the right thing to do
--- 136680435
>>136679498
Jon was already going into eighth grade in that Saved by the Belle Reve #1 short tale that Tomasi wrote last fall. If you actually read Super Sons or paid any attention then you'd know that. How many eleven year olds do you know going into the eighth fucking grade?

You are either (a) completely retarded, or (b) a bad actor trying to argue indirectly for aged-up Fake Jon. Either way, fuck off.

>>136679552
>Why the hell does Damian need a upbeat character to bounce off him, this aint a anime.

Because the Odd Couple pairing worked. It still works, because it's selling. And the Odd Couple ain't anime either. 

>>136679621
>You got a point there.
No he doesn't.
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>>136680435
Damian right now can handle without an upbeat character. Having Damian revert back to his bratty self, when he's pretty much less bratty now for the sake of Jon is bad
--- 136681773
>>136673324
>you cant even say no even if you wanted to
--- 136681822
>>136680475
Hes still a brat outside of his book
--- 136683100
>>136662256 (OP)
Huh
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>>136674263
>>136674297
>Damian needs someone to play off of
He really doesn't seeing as both his solos and new 52 B&R were pretty good. He was shitty in Titans becasue he was only their to be character assassinated and become the 5g big bad.
>>136674161
most people got introduced to the character from either supersons or the terrible rebirth Tt run.
--- 136684283
>>136673576
I miss Tomasi
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>>136674412
Instead of explaining shit, just bring kid Jon back out of nowhere and pretend he was never Bendised and Taylored. It wouldn't be the first time they ignored continuity anyway.
--- 136684596
>>136679963
>the chad shojo fan vs the virgin gay shonen fan
--- 136684744
>>136674378
>Ultraman's son from Earth 3
Taylor already shot down that theory before deleting this tweet.
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>>136674412
Honestly Jon is staying bisexual no matter what, even if young Jon comes back, I'm sure DC will make a point about how he's still bisexual.
--- 136684777
>>136676059
I mean, didn't Jon turn 11 at the end of Tomasi's run? The age difference is still 3, and even then, they could bump him up to 12 or 13, I think their dynamic would remain the same.
--- 136684805
>>136684744
He knows it's too close to the truth so he deleted it to cover his tracks.
Older Jon isn't Ultraman's son, he is indeed the Son of Kal-El from Earth-49.
--- 136684855
>>136684805
>You have her eyes.
I believe it.
--- 136685729
Kill every pedo in this thread.
--- 136685785
Will the reprint include Challenge of the Super Sons? And the Robin/Superman one-shot? They aren't included in the amazon listing and the page count is the same as the previous omni..
Can anyone clarify? I wanna buy it if it includes everything
--- 136685808
>>136684744
He knows it’s a better idea than he’ll ever have 

Also I just want to say he really is addicted to social media even on Facebook he constantly gets into arguments with people on DC’s page. At some point you’d think DC would tell him to shut up
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>>136685785
It says it’s the new addition of the expanded edition so my guess is that the original expanded edition sold out and they are making just new copies of that 

I hope I’m wrong though as I would hope Trials of the Super sons at least gets put in there, I honestly don’t care if they add the one shot dc pushed out with adult Jon by Tomasi as while it’s better than anything else adult Jon has been in it still sucked
--- 136686201
>>136685785
>>136686069
>>136638339 →
What is the truth?
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>>136674412
>Would it still create backlash if it was revealed that aged up Jon was a fake
no because the people who would complain don't read comics anyways.
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>>136676059
Damien's age isn't as important since he basically looks and acts the same (besides currently using a different costume). 
Its weird that they would age up their only two big name kid heroes. DC already has older teen heroes (that they don't even use that well).
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>>136686225
This, adult is pretty much universally hated and the few people that actually do like him are weird Twitter assholes who have never picked up a comic book in their life and probably never will
--- 136686327
>>136685729
Stay mad, the supersons will be lewded
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>>136686308
The only reason they aged up Damien is because they aged up Jon and destroyed a well loved dynamic, aging Damien up was done to recapture the magic and it just fell flat
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>>136684805
Eyyy, problem solved, faggotman can fuck off to his own goofy universe and the "original" Jon can come back.
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>>136686308
He isn't as bratty as he used to be as a kid. He's still a brat, but he's less so of a brat that will stop a person's heart.
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>>136686354
Aging up Damian was a natural course, I don't mind him being aged up naturally. Teen Damian (14 years old) strikes a good balance of being bratty, but not too bratty
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>>136686425
It wasn’t done naturally though, while not as jarring and as drastic as Jon’s, Damian’s age up still happened pretty quickly.

 Also I’ll have to take your word on the bratty but not to bratty as I started Williamson’s run but dropped it mid way through when it crossed over with Deathstroke. All I remember is during his age up they kept trying to push him as Future Hitler
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>>136686400
his bratty levels depends on writing so its not like you can't just go back to him being a little snot if the writer and editor want it.
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>>136686586
Yeah his age up was 13 during the Teen Titans period where they tried to push him as a villain. But come his Robin solo, when he was now 14. He's still bratty but not too bratty. He strikes a balance.

Pretty quickly wasn't even a good word, since he wad 13 at rebirth, and 14 at infinite frontier. Which is still years apart. Not to mention it took over a course of 10 years for Damian to age up to now.
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>>136679752
Cute.
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>>136662256 (OP)
I really, really hate Damian and wish he just wasn't canon but Supersons makes him tolerable.
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>>136686680
It’s been over 80 years and Bruce Wayne is still in his 30s
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>>136670003
so is Jai like the shitty version of Liberty Belle Jesse? IDK why DC wants Jesse mentoring Irey instead of Jai.
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>>136684805
So is DC editorial throwing Bendis' Legion in the trash to continue the Three Legion?
--- 136687903
There's actually an intriguing idea behind aged up Jon being Ultraman's. He desperately wanted to have a life with a good dad, a better world, and felt like an outcast in his own reality he fled.
--- 136687967
has DC Editorial given us a decent interaction between Jon and Konnor fucking yet?! Are they consider uncle/newphew or brothers?
--- 136688019
>>136687503
Probably.
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>>136664709
>how can you explain the absolute disaster that was his sudden grow up to everyone?
It's simple: Jon gets deaged forgetting everything, everybody expects it not to last even in-universe but meanwhile they are going to treat Jon as his regular kid self.

Then never re-age Jon.

Done.
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>>136687967
They interacted in Wayne Family Adventures .
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>>136688019
Don't care what others say but the story line running through Detective Comics #1027/Generations: Shattered/Genertions: Forged, Flashpoint: Beyond, and Stargirl: The Lost Children has been entertaining me.
--- 136688325
>>136664709
>how media current media sees him makes it hard for Kid Jon to come back.
Wasn't this one of the reason for Infinite Frontiers' "Hyper Crisis Everything Is Canon" approach? Why can't we have Gay Teen Jon and SuperSon Jon at the same time. Fuck all continuity faggots and lets just have good stories!
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>>136687442
I don’t think even DC knows what to do with Jai, for the most part he’s usually just there the only two writers to actually do something with him were Johns and Adams. Johns had plans to turn him into a good guy version of the Turtle and Adams is just giving him his own identity with strength powers

Honestly never thought they were similar but I’m kinda seeing it now
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>>136688325
You're very stupid.
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>>136686396
"Original" Jon will be bisexual too btw, this is gonna be like an Alan Scott situation, that specific genie ain't getting back into the bottle.
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>>136687903
It honestly would have been an incredibly compelling take
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>>136688372
>Honestly never thought they were similar but I’m kinda seeing it now
They even drew Jai in poses from Liberty Belle's Who's Who in 2007. I want a Liberty Belle/Jai team-up soon. Throw in Rick/Hourman to round out the legacy angle for the story and all three have strength based powers.
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>>136663652
Didio is why we have aged up Jon in the first place.
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>>136688434
That was plot point of the DC Universe Lois Lane maxi-series. We still have Convergance Parallax on Earth 0/Earth Prime. Or how in Deathstroke Inc. is states that Slade's origin is both his New Earth and Nu52 when he was on Team 7 with Grifter, Amanda Waller and Black Canary. When both origins contradicts each other.

TL;DR
Go read some comics retard
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>>136688256
Definitely better than the original 5G plan, that's for sure.
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>>136688635
lmao
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>>136689047
>Generations Shattered/Forged
Forgot that all that started with Flash Forward. I still wanted to see how that Generation Zero JSA book would have ended up as with Wonder Woman leading. Guess we got a taste with that JSA/Wonder Woman animated film.
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>>136689410
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bring back kenan kong
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>>136689514
Isn't he going to be a support character in the new Dawn of DC Action Comics
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>>136689514
Put him back in China, I love him but he doesn't belong in the main Super-Family.
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>>136689837
He already is, these issues have been out for a while.
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>>136664514
His character grows Superman's and Louis's characters. Maybe you mean he doesn't need his own series? But he as a character is fine. Good even. I really liked those issues.
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>>136670440

I didn't even know that there was a Supersons movie
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>>136689514
JLC should have met up with Monkey Prince before his series ended
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>>136689514
>bling back chinee supel man
NO
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I just feel bad for Connor, Tim, and Bart. They're either relegate to a former lesser identity, Bart. Get depicted by writers as jealous, Tim. Or just under-utilized, Conner. What are they're supposed character development go now?

TL;DR
Fuck Meghan Fitzmartin
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>>136671456
>It did great on streaming though and kids actually liked it.
Didn't DC Nation do really well on CN but DC killed it anyway?
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>>136690229
>They're either relegate to a former lesser identity, Bart.
I'd argue about Impulse being a "lesser" identity for Bart. Mostly because he never really clicked as "Kid Flash" as he was not Wally's sideckick.
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>>136690018
It's cute, but CGI which may turn people off. It's more focused on Jon than Damian, but he had a mini arc in there too. Also great Mommy Lois design and a Batcow cameo.
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>>136681822
No hes not. The superman characters with batman character almost never work out because they can never truly explore their overall full capabilities without one overpowering the other. You think Jon needs Damian to be protected when hes god kyrptianon powers, and Damiej himself needs remind the reader just just a mere mortal playdating with a demi god and thus has to have every capable advantage as a trust fund ninja kid.
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>>136689514
who
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>>136690229
>former lesser identity
Thoughts like that are what ruined Bart back in 2003. Impulse isn't lesser. Impulse was perfect.
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>>136690229
>Fuck Meghan Fitzmartin
no, i don't think i will.
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>>136690366
I mean, I can get having Bart moving on from his Impulse identity.

But it was quite forced, and going from "his own hero" to "Literal Flash Sidekick" was a downgrade if anything.
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>>136690366
>Impulse was perfect.
Then don't worry anon. Those last 20 years of story and character development for Bart doesn't matter any more; Back to late 90s Status Quo! He's forever stuck as an impulsive pre-teen making the same mistakes when he was sidekick for Max. Sounds perfect to me.
>Thoughts like that
And yours are the reason for Capeshit always reverting back the Status Quo
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>>136690440
>Those last 20 years of story and character development for Bart doesn't matter any more;
what character development?
he got deleted from New52 and came back only recently.
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>>136690440
There's nothing wrong with the Impulse name, it's Bart's own name, not some sidekick title like Kid Flash.
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>>136690868
you don't understand anon. someone giving up their own unique identity to take on the identity of a different hero is character growth. wanting characters to be unique is what is killing comics, making an original character a shadow of themselves and forcibly cramming them into a legacy role is how comics evolve.
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>>136690773
>he got deleted from New52
>Barr-Torr replacing Bart as Kid Flash
So nothing of value has been lost since Young Justice vol. 1/Graduation Day event. If anything Bar-Torr should be Impulse's new Inertia. Status Quo Bay-Bay!
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>>136691531
I think he might work better as Ace's own nemesis

On the subject of Ace, he, too, needs a new name.
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>>136690272
>as he was not Wally's sideckick.
That's a stupid per-requisite for title/mantle.
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>>136691719
while far from being always true, "Kid Flash" and "Robin" are titles that basically REQUIRE the owner to be the sidekick of Flash and Batman respectively.
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I want Damian to team up with Red Hood so they can be Robin Hood.
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>>136691531
This! Impulse was a terrible status quo that only nostalgiafags cling to.
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>>136692407
I know you're kidding around, but didn't Morrison do that joke already with Jason and Damian during the Incorporated days?
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>>136692350
>titles that basically REQUIRE the owner to be the sidekick
Earth 2 Dick Grayson laughs at this comment!
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>>136692756
What was their combined body count?
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>>136693247
easily triple digits
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>>136662256 (OP)
Wish they had an issue where Damien and Jon meet up with Bronze Age jive talking Super Sons
They somehow crawled out of the pit of destruction in the fortress and came back to life
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The son of Ultraman stuff might actually be doable, provided someone over at DC cares to try it. It MIGHT be in the cards because
>Super Sons omni gets consistently reprinted, showing a demand/profit for young Jon
>Old Jon will become old news and crybabies who don't buy comics will move on
>If they still pay attention, the "Based Superman adopts a gay variant of his son from Earth 3" is progressive enough to grease the wheels
>Both Classic and New 52 Wally West exist and no amount of ridiculous racism accusations have stopped DC from having them at the same time.

So would we call NuJon "Ultra-Boy?"
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>>136693693
I think there is already an Ultra Boy in the LoSH, so maybe something else. He'd probably just go by Ultraman like how he is going by Superman now.
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>>136693959
That'd be weird. "Ultraman of Earth 1/Prime". Ultraman on occasion has caused trouble on the regular Earth, so that sounds like a PR nightmare from the get go for NuJon
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>>136694278
There was an Owlman running around as a hero
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>>136694327
You mean Talon? Because that wasn't his name, and he's outright forgotten now
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>>136693693
>>Both Classic and New 52 Wally West exist and no amount of ridiculous racism accusations have stopped DC from having them at the same time.
to be fair, they were always supposed to be different characters, with Ace being Wallace and all


Plus Jon being Ultraman's son would make the comparison with Chris even more striking.
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>>136694473
>they were always supposed to be different characters
HA! No. Originally no, they weren't supposed to be. New 52 Wally was supposed to be the real deal until Johns brought original Wally back at the start of Rebirth. That's why they're "Wallace" and "Wally"
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At worst Adult!Jon is boring (at least for now), but the way you guys talk about him it's like he is the antichrist coming here with his horsemen to destroy your comics.
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>>136694525
I mean: Ace was supposed to replace completely Wally, but he was introduced as son of a different family member.

he was a different person, not another version of the same character.

probably to keep open a potential return of Wally, which end up happening.
...or, more likely, because the writers and editors fucked up. Probably because Wally was running too fast for them to mess up too much.
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>>136694569
he's boring, a blatant propaganda tool (if you care about that), and most importantly his existence pretty much guarantees that kid Jon will never return. It's pretty easy to see why he causes so much seething from some fans
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>>136694569
Because you're an outsider looking in who didn't read Super Sons or Tomasi Superman. Imagine if you liked a new character, shocking I know these days, that not only had fun adventures but also shifted the status quo/dynamic of Superman's daily life. Now imagine that fun character outright replaced by Bendis, resembling him in no way shape or form, and being told to just fucking deal with it.

That's why fans are pissed. 
>>136694657
It's not even about him being gay, it's the fact that it's his only character trait now. He doesn't act like someone who spent 7 or so years away from home either.
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>>136694639
Your childlike innocence, or delusion, makes me sad, anon. I was there when all this was happening, and I can tell you for a fact New 52 Wally wasn't intended to be a separate character at the time. DC was also hell bent on saying "No we're not bringing back old Wally" too
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>>136694569
>At worst Adult!Jon is boring
He is boring, and he keeps getting shoved down my throat. If he was just off being boring in his own book that nobody reads I wouldn't hate him as much.
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>>136694690
Well, we have time to fix his character, give him some good stories, maybe some team-ups so he can bounce off other characters to further develop him, explore his trauma, etc.
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>>136694862 
there are already like 3 other young adult "supermen" that they have no idea what to do with. Call me cynical but I doubt that the do better with him
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>>136662256 (OP)
Jon is a buttslut now. Only way you're getting Kid Jon again is dimensional shenanigans.
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>>136694388
Nope I mean Owlman who became a member of a Alfred backed Outsiders during the Batman RIP storyline
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>>136694862
But people don't want to fix New Jon, they just want old Jon back. He already worked. If you're constantly trying to creative decision to find a gimmick that suits him, then it was a stupid decision to begin with.
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>>136694862
>we have time to fix his character,
you fags have been saying shit like this for years, but he still hasn't gotten better. there is no fixing this dud of a character at this point.
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>>136694983
How many writers have written him though? That is important. Giving him off to a better, more competent writer would set up a path for him to get improved upon.
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>>136694947
No need for gimmicks though, just write him like any other character is written, with a personality, a character arc, their ups and downs, side characters for him to bounce off from, etc.
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>>136662256 (OP)
>Makes Jon gay
>Doesn’t hook him up with Damian
Why?
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>>136695016
>>136695045
You're fucking with us, aren't you anon? You can shit in one hand, and wish in the other, see what fills faster. Because apparently you're still not getting it: there was nothing to fix to begin with, and we had a character replaced entirely. There was no character progression, and any changes you make to this stupid replacement only serves to ignore the problem
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>>136695068
Made the wrong Superboy gay
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>>136695077
I'm trying to take a reasonable approach to this conversation anon, no need to explode on me, if a character is in a bad or bland state you simply write them better, that is how things work 99% of the time everywhere.
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>>136695156
>if a character is in a bad or bland state you simply write them better,
Which is a nothing statement in it of itself. "Just do it better" is essentially what you said. And as we've told you already, there's an easy fix for this: just bring back the character people liked in the first place. Actually not hard to do given the nature of the fiction
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>>136695205
Ok, Jon is a kid again and now Tom Taylor is writing a Superboy book. Happy?
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>>136695205
"Just retcons things" should always be the last resort, not the first thing that comes to mind (and no, things are not that bad, again, he is at worst boring).
I think it's totally possible for them to make adult!Jon into a compelling and captivating character.
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>>136695279
>I think it's totally possible for them to make adult!Jon into a compelling and captivating character.
Have the last (You) and fuck off
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>>136695293
Sorry but, you can't force me to leave the thread anon. And it's unfortunate that you seem to not want at all to engage in an honest conversation, preferring instead to act in bad faith, but what did I expect honestly?
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>>136695365
You do realize no one is buying this, right?
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>>136662410
>Because it's now a personal thing for Taylor.

but hes not the one who did it, he was just tasked with making it work
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>>136695405
I thought that was my last (you)? Unless you are someone else of course. Either way, buying what? I'm not the one that has been acting like a prick since this conversation started.
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>>136695068
The age gap likely prevented such an idea since Damian is tiny for a teen, making aged up Jon look like a pedo.
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>>136695449
>he was just tasked with making it work
And if they deaged Jon that would mean he failed.
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>>136695495
Because you're being incredibly obtuse acting like everyone who wants the original character back is wrong, while also spewing some nonsense of "We can still fix it".
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>>136669527
>That Irey pfp
YJK
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>>136670281
Well, they managed to bring back Wally. Maybe they'll find a loophole.
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>>136695630
Again, wasn't that my last (you)?
At this point you are making up conversations that never happened inside your head, I never said people that wanted kid!Jon were wrong, you made that up.
And how "we can fix him" nonsense? That is just how writing works anon, if something is not doing as well as it could then it can be improved upon.
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>>136684283
What's he up to these days?
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>>136684805
>>136684744
>Being gay is evil
BASED
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>>136695711
I'm someone else, and you're directly implying that with your weird damage control. And you don't seem to understand that if you're not really saying anything of worth, because it's based on an assumption and theoretical scenario when we're talking about the facts at hand. Furthermore, you haven't actually pitched any sort of fix for your weird and oddly downplaying posts.
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>>136689837
Whoa who are those two cute girls at the bottom?
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>>136694946
>during the Batman RIP storyline
>a pre-Flashppoint side character
so he basically doesn't even exist anymore anon. Look at Michael Lane/Azrael.
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>>136695792
I'm not implying anything and I'm not playing damage control, what is your problem with making assumptions on people? It makes this conversation oddly frustrating because I have to spend half of my post correcting you instead of actually talking about the topic at hand.
If what I'm saying is not anything of worth, then why are you still replying to me? And of course it's a theoretical scenario, I'm not a DC writer just about to write the new Superman Jon comic, I'm just some random anon.
And if we are talking about facts, then it's a fact of writing that things that aren't doing well can be improved upon, "we can fix it" is a fact, not nonsense.
How are they weird and odd? Because I don't think adult!Jon is the worst thing ever? Because I think stories can be improved? Sure, I don't have the details, I'm no writer, but I don't need to be, because that kind of stuff is just known by anyone really, or apparently not, since it eludes you somehow.
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>>136696040
>I don't have any answers, solutions, or comments of any real worth but I'll keep talking anyway.
Why are you even here? You're caught in a loops saying "Oh anything can be written better with a proper setup/writer", which is basic common sense applicable to any given situation. Furthermore, what's with this assumption that people want a constant string of retoolings that only serve to waste everyone's time and only further annoy people? You're kind of just a sidelining pseudo-intellectual thinking he's got it all figured out, when in reality just talking just to hear his own voice.
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>>136695962
My point was that an evil Alt universe version of a character having a regular earth good guy version has happened before and it wasn’t confusing at all same with Johnny Quick (Chambers) and Johnny Quick (the earth 3 speed junky)
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>>136696216
I'm here to talk about Jon, as anyone can see in the OP, is the topic of the thread.
Yeah, I'm just saying the very basic thing that everyone knows (but not you until right now apparently).
You say "constant string of retooling", even though I never said that, comics don't need to be video games where characters or weapons are constantly nerfed and buffed, and if it was, in this media characters are always fluctuating in quality either way.
Again with the assumptions? Get that stick out of your ass, from the beginning all I've been saying was the very simple fact that a character can be improved and written better, if you thought I was somehow saying more then that is on you, not me.
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>>136696410
I don't think you really understand what you're saying or how comics work for that matter.
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>>136696733
Yes anon, I'm sure in all those decades upon decades of comic history a character that was in a rough spot has never been improved upon, ever. Right right...
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>>136696815
Yeah? And then there's still stuff that was complete crap that was abandoned too. Going back to what worked is a valid method to "fix" something, and they've done it several times before. So why can't we do it here?
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>>136695598
>making aged up Jon look like a pedo
but hes already gay
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>>136696842
>Yeah?
You are hopeless then.
And I never implied otherwise, but I believe firmly retcons are last resort stuff, stuff that Adult!Jon isn't anywhere near close to desperately needing because he isn't that bad, he is boring at worst. And you said yourself that Adult!Jon and Kid!Jon are two different characters, then them making Adult!Jon doesn't fix anything for Kid!Jon and bringing back Kid!Jon doesn't fix Adult!Jon.
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>>136697014
So your solution is to frequently keep cranking out crap stories in the vain hope that Adult Jon will work, which may not happen for YEARS, if at all, and only serve to alienate fans? You want years of wasted time rather than going back to what worked?

I'm beginning to think you work for DC and are too stupid to get out of your own way.
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>>136697119
You don't know how long it might take, sure, I don't know either, but it as hell doesn't need to be "years".
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>>136697160
You deal in constant hypotheticals, haven't suggested a single solution they could go with, nor have you argued why Adult Jon is worth keeping. Why is retconning a last resort to you? Because retcons are also used for the "solution" you keep repeating.

Do you actually have something worth bringing to the conversation? Because you have yet to do so this entire thread
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>>136697240
Of course it's fucking hypothetical, I'm not a writer for DC nor am I a seer that can see the future, all I said was that this character can be improved upon and written better, given more personality, giving him more dynamic relations, etc.
I didn't argue that because it was never the topic of this discussion.
And retcons are last resort in writing because anyone can tell you that they bring confusion and makes things messy, they always do, that is why they are last resort only for when the situation is so dire that it's better to deal with the messiness than keeping things as they are, and adult!Jon isn't in that dire situation, the worst that he is is boring, nothing more.
And like you yourself said, Adult!Jon and Kid!Jon are different characters, one doesn't fix the other, and this conversation has been about fixing Adult!Jon, if your solution is just "delete him lol" then there is nothing to be said anymore.
And, if I haven't said anything of worth then why do you keep replying to me?
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>>136696947
He's gay for Taylor's OC that just happens to be around the same age as him despite being a small asian guy who could pass for a 14 year old depending on the artist. That makes it okay in the eyes of the Twitter mob.