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How did this become the preeminent love triangle in comics now?
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>>136668278 (OP)
There really was nothing else, or much better. Not saying the bar was particularly high, but
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>>136668278 (OP)
It's not. Babs and Kori never interact or compete, Dick is just a sailor with ladies at two different ports.
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>>136668278 (OP)
It doesn’t have to be a love triangle. If Babs learned to share it could become the best polycule in modern comics.
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>>136668366
Isn't Jena fucking both Scott and Wolverine now? So the triangle is kind of over.
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>>136668517
Yes. It’s a polycule now. Or an open marriage. Logan and Scott can fuck other women too. And they do.
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>>136668278 (OP)
Because capeshit is terrible with romance see >>136668366
Wolverine is old enough to be their great great grandad.
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>>136668366
Jean was dead for 15 years too, which kind of lessened the impact of he triangle.
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>>136668278 (OP)
>>136668366
>>136668486
How is Dick a protege of Batman but can't figure out how to get two women to bone each other and then him at the same and/or different times?
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>>136668278 (OP)
It isn't tho. Starfire hasn't been relevant in years.
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>>136668366
This. It's not an actual love triangle plot in the comics, it's a shipper war between two different fanbases, because Dick is a Batman character and a Titans character. Nightwing and Starfire haven't really been a thing in the comics for decades, but Titans adaptations keep doing it. If they didn't, it would just be a few old guys in their 50s left who remembered it from old Titans comics.

>>136668564
>Logan and Scott can fuck other women too. And they do.
And each other. And they do.
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>>136670493
>"Wow, she's so much bigger than me... I wish she would pin me down and sit on my face"
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>>136670493
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>>136670691
mogged beyond repair.
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>>136670691
It’s her fault. When Dick was available pre-Starfire, she was banging older man Jason Bard.
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>>136668486
Babs Tarr seems to support this.
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>>136671432
As all Babs should
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>>136670493
>Dick deserved to get raped in the summer of 1992. 
>Agreed.
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>>136671733
Mirage: “Too late.”
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>>136668366
>Babs and Kori never interact or compete,
Well not face to face, except for that infamous annual
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>>136668278 (OP)
Babs > Kory
Pasty redhead with freckles > woman painted orange
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>>136668278 (OP)
>Dick had crush on batgirl
>goes nowhere
>starfire was created to be Dick's space waifu
>they were supposed to get married
>Dick gets snatched back with a bunch of behind the scenes dickwaving (heh)
>retcon everything about DIck and Babs to make them more viable and keep Dick chained down
>a lot of fans still like Dick and Starfire though
>endlessly tease both pairings forever
basically typical capeshit stuff
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>>136668846
Cope anon! Starfire has been more relevant than babs for years. The comics don’t count anymore.
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>>136673135
>>they were supposed to get married
Its a good thing they didn't desu. The Titans were terrible had no good future ahead of them.
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>>136673175
the supposed plan was that those 2 were going to break off and do their own thing, but whatever. It's irrelevant at this point
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Dick should get with me instead, no offense to Babs and Kory, but this butt is mine!
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>>136670691
Holy mog almighty
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>>136670493
Poor Barbara. She's the quean to Starfire's cake.
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>>136673135
Dick has been way better off since separating himself from the Titans and Starfire. He was able to become a solo character that gives him some protection with all the stuff editorial wanted to do to him.
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>>136673170
>The comics don’t count anymore.
That's a fair point, but you're basically balancing people knowing who Babs is from the pop-cultural immortality of 1966 Batman against kids knowing who Kory is because of Teen Titans Go somehow running for over ten years.
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>>136673241
that would've been even worse for him.
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>>136673135
Why didn't Kory tell Dick about Babs coming by?
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>>136673170
yes that completely unknown character that is batgirl.
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I'm not even sure what Dick and Kory's dynamic is supposed to be besides being very in love.
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>>136675473
Constantly horny and fucking I guess.
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>>136668278 (OP)
how many times have you made this thread and posted the same pictures? shippers are pathetic, dickfags especially so.
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>>136675473
>>136675662
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>>136673470
>He was able to become a solo character
Dick is absolutely NOT a solo character when compared to Wally (new villains, consistent supporting cast, love interest not chained to another franchise) or various C listers who had 30+ issue runs in the past.
His book is a Batman spinoff.

>doesn't have stable supporting cast because the batfamily is his supporting cast
>only has Blockbuster as a villain because nobody cares enough to build up anybody else and Batman and other batfamily members take his villains
>two most prominent love interests are another batfamily member and a Titans member
>his tertiary love interest (Helena) is also a batfamily member
>his book constantly gets interrupted or outright derailed/destroyed because of Batman crossovers

>gives him some protection with all the stuff editorial wanted to do to him.
Oh yeah because being Batman's bitch saved him from having his book constantly derailed and destroyed by Batman crossovers, getting shot in the head and not being himself for 30 issues because King wanted drama in his Batman book for five seconds, and ultimately getting his canon personality outright replaced by batfamily fanon by Taylor.

And Dick is ultimately NEVER be a truly solo character due to DC seeing him as a Batman spinoff with sometimes leads the Titans (who are the JL's bitches).
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>>136678209
>Dick is absolutely NOT a solo character when compared to Wally (new villains, consistent supporting cast, love interest not chained to another franchise) or various C listers who had 30+ issue runs in the past.
That's because he was shackled to the Titans long after their expiration date. By the time he was let go, Tim Drake already had his own solo as Robin before Dick.
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>>136678209
>And Dick is ultimately NEVER be a truly solo character due to DC seeing him as a Batman spinoff with sometimes leads the Titans (who are the JL's bitches).
Thank Didio for that. You can see that they want to push Dick as a solo now that he's gone but they gave him to Tom Taylor who's wasting his run.
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>>136678209
He's had an ongoing solo book since the mid 90s. He's a solo character. Wally was a solo character as Flash, but the Flash IP is bigger than Wally. So Wally couldn't survive without being Flash. It is the same as when Tim stopped being Robin his character struggled. Dick Grayson is bigger than Nightwing so he isn't in the same situation and him having a solo as Nightwing protects him compared to all the other Titans characters that have been screwed over by stories and editorial.
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>>136678209
So there are no solo characters in the Batman extended franchise except Batman? I mean Dick is and will always be a Batman character. Even in that NTT team fans jerk off so much Dick's character still revolved around Batman a lot in it, and even more post Crisis.
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>>136675473
That's because you have to read NTT to get their dynamic. After Dick got folded back into Batman franchise, the majority of writers have downplayed their relationship to just being hot sex between two hot people and it coincided with a lot writers making Kory's personality just "sex kitten".

Their original dynamic was Dick was in awe of Kory's free spirit, exuberance, and freedom of emotions due to his uptight upbringing under Bruce, while being kinda frustrated by how gung-ho she was about violence and killing. Kory helped bring Dick out of his shell and Dick helped Kory learn restraint so she would fit in on earth better.
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>>136678347
The Titans have nothing to do with Dick's solo book, and neither does Tim being Robin. The Titans didn't even appear in the original 153 issues beyond cameos. It's because writers make the batfamily his supporting cast. Clancy was shoved into limbo because Babs became Dick's love interest. Any of the older male supporting cast members including John Law/OG Tarantula didn't amount to anything because Bruce was the one that always showed up giving advice and shit like that. Dick never had any friends because Babs and Tim were the ones he talked to.
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>>136678510
>So there are no solo characters in the Batman extended franchise except Batman?
Correct.
Very early Dixon was the closest Dick got but like I said >>136678831 he fucked up and had Dick become way too reliant on Batman and the batfamily. And that set a horrible precedence because now writers will make like one or two original supporting cast members to push (Guppy, Shawn, Melinda) while relying on the batfamily to do the rest and then the next writer just tosses the original ones out in favor of their own.
He also had a chance with Grayson but batfamilyfags harassed Seeley so bad he just wrote what they wanted in Nightwing Rebirth (more batfamily and Bludhaven).

Funnily enough I think Jason was the absolute closest to becoming a truly solo character of all the batfamily, considering Kory, Roy, Artemis, and Bizarro were mostly written as side characters to Jason and Lobdell kept bringing back characters like Essence and that flight attendant lady. But after Lobdell got me too'd Jason is back to being Batman's bitch too.
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>>136679266
Lobdell was part of the Superman editorial back then. Not part of the Batman editorial.
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>>136678693
>That's because you have to read NTT to get their dynamic
I've read it and you make it seem way more dynamic that it actually is. Dick just comes off like a generic good guy and Kory pretty bland too. There reltionship just seems very by the numbers.
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>>136679266
All solo characters have endless amounts of one run characters that get tossed to the side. Dick's problem was less about being a Batman character and more about having higher ups in editorial that constantly railroaded the character since the early 00s until more recently. I mean the Ric storyline lasted for 2 years. That is insane. 

But also there are no characters that got solo books since like the mid to late 90s that created anything like what you expect Nightwing to be. Deadpool has no noteworthy original characters and relies all on pre established ones. Same for other characters like Harley, Deathstroke, and so on. Even Flash has created no one really noteworthy since then. The only franchises that can consistently create new and lasting characters from a solo book are Batman and Spider-man.
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>>136680044
>Deadpool has no noteworthy original characters
Bob is pointing at the fucktard.
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>>136679266
>Very early Dixon was the closest Dick got but like I said >>136678831 he fucked up and had Dick become way too reliant on Batman and the batfamily.
Its not just that, but his main antagonist is the brother of a guy him and Bruce fought back in his Robin days.
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>>136680490
100s of solo issues and Bob is the only one?
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>>136668278 (OP)
>Waid on Teen Titans set in the past giving us Dick/Kory
>Taylor on modern day Titans giving us Dick/Babs
>Garcia on Elseworlds Teen Titans giving us Raven/Beast Boy
Titansfags, we're feasting.
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>>136681283
>>Garcia on Elseworlds Teen Titans giving us Raven/Beast Boy
How is this a good thing?
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>>136681283
>Waid on Teen Titans set in the past giving us Dick/Kory
But it is set before Kory was on the team. Waid seems to like having fun with Dick/Kara.
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>>136668278 (OP)
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>>136681283
Dick and Kara was more fun than Dick and Kory.
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>>136668278 (OP)
Starfire just can't compete with Babs and Dick's sister in one way
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>>136671432
nice image
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>>136681824
She's facing Wolverine because she loves him more.
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>>136668366
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>>136681592
Babs is for being sexually bullied by hot alien girls.
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>>136668278 (OP)
blame batman editorial who’ll constantly fuck things over with non batman characters and throw and push in love and relationships fans don’t want or care for.
kori and dick is the fan favorite babs and dick is pushed even though they are different age groups(or should be but bat editorial is always constantly changing and retconning the ages of the bat family whenever they can to push an agenda)
look at how dc squandered teen titans after the success of the animated show.
they’d literally keep pushing in the badly written comic titans nobody cared for where they killed off character every other book just for fun and introduced the most lukewarm and badly written storylines possible.
dc editorial has no clue what they are doing.
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>>136683496
>look at how dc squandered teen titans after the success of the animated show.
The kids who watched TT03 graduated to anime and manga, not comic books.
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>>136681283
Waid's Titans takes place specifically before Kory, you're not getting any of the popular Titans, you're getting these goobers.
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This triangle is shit. Time for incest!
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>>136685079
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because dick and barbara are the two primary self-insert characters in DC comics, and Starfire is by all accounts a better love interest than barbara and thus cannot be divorced from dick
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>>136685767
>Starfire is by all accounts a better love interest than barbara
eehhhh
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>>136685767
Actually, the reason Starfire can't be divorced from Dick is because she was LITERALLY made for Dick, without that, there's not actually much going on with her besides her relationship with Dick, that's the one thing everyone remembers about her the most.
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>>136681847
What way is that?
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Only Dickfags believe that
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>>136685079
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>>136673135
Archie of capeshit.
Betty = Babs
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>>136685079
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>>136683496
>>136683714
Titansfags are desperate as fuck, I'd wager a good deal of TT03 fans don't even know who "Kori" is.
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>>136686964
Felicia is a glorified onahole, a bench warmer. MJ has the movies, two futures where she has kids with him, a nearly two decade long marriage,a live action wedding at Shea stadium. No one thinks Felicia will be anything more than a fling.
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>>136686964
>>136689746
marywhorecucks are losing it....
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>>136671268
Dick was dating Terri Bergstrom and Lori Elton and other random Hudson U sloots when Barbara was dating Jason Bard. Also, this was pre-crisis, when Babs was in her mid 20s.
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>>136678429
Tim's character struggled because they destroyed everything unique about him and tried to shove him into a box he didn't fit in to go along with a ton of shit writers. This isn't even only limited to Tim since a ton of characters have and had been getting fucked over for similar reasons even though he probably had the biggest fall. It's just yet another sign that the people running DC are shortsighted and incompetent and have been for like 20 years
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>>136678831
To be fair, you need to look at it in the context of a shared universe. You had Wally and the Titans show up occasionally. About as often as Superman would show up in Batman during the same era. This was an era when DC editors didn't play well together and wouldn't let any of their characters show up in any of the team books.
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>>136689944
People hate on that era of Titans a lot, but we have to give credit to Johns for turning Rose Wilson into the Ravager. She would have stayed a minor Titans support character if he didn't turn her into Lady Deathstroke.

He really fucked up her personality, but it's still a net plus.
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>>136690117
His titans had some ok concepts and was certainly better than a lot of other titans runs, but it really butchered the YJ kids. It's a double whammy when you find out that they canceled yj because one of the bigwigs hated lighthearted, goofy superheroes
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>>136689746
fuck you are obsessed
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>>136668564
>>136668884
>>136668517
Modern comics are so degenerate.
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>>136668884
>And each other. And they do.

No they don't.
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>>136678429
There's also the fact that Wally was THE Flash for over 2 decades, Dick never succeeded anybody except in elseworlds or future arcs and has always played second fiddle at best.
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>>136668278 (OP)
Dick Grayson as Robin is comic book's OG self-insert for kid readers. Those kids grew up and became writers and gave him the best waifus.
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>>136693040
I think it fundamentally comes down to writer usage. Of the various batkids, Tim is arguably the most "solo" character because his books have leaned heavily on him having his own set of characters or doing his own thing within the Batman universe. Even the recent book, for all its faults, still works that way. But this is all a choice various writers have made.
In contrast, Dick has the problem of writers insisting on relitigating his team and family dramas at the cost of creating his own space separate from them.
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>>136680044
>Deadpool has no noteworthy original characters and relies all on pre established ones
don't bring up characters you clearly know nothing about
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>>136681283
>Waid on Teen Titans set in the past giving us Dick/Kory
Waid's Titans is set before Wolfman and Perez ruined them.
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>>136681847
>Dick's sister
oh yeah, i forgot taylor did that. did anything interesting come out of it?
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>>136693204
>Wolfman and Perez
>ruining anything
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>>136686964
i never understood what people saw in peter x felicia. she fucking hates peter and just wants to fuck spider-man. she treated him like shit when they dated.
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>>136693286
People can change.
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>>136693277
Titans post-Perez was a shadow of itself.
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>>136693158
it's because they never really bothered crafting a life, friends, motivation, etc. for Dick beyond the mask. He was created as a partner character and they did very little to fill him out. Jason was pretty much the same way but he got DiTF to give him a whole different angle. Tim was created to be a different perspective so they had to build him some outside support which lent itself to more solo stuff. No surprise that he started running into trouble when they hollowed out a lot of it. One of the biggest disappointments of the nightwing solos is how little they did for Dick as a person beyond sex memes. They pretty much had a blank canvas and created a bunch of weak mediocrity with nothing really sticking except the city
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>>136693438
I can remember reading both of their solos back in the day and generally finding Nightwing less interesting despite having the same writer and sharing a lot of features. And he's still basically in the same narrative spot, except the competition is different because Tim had to go through years of bad choices and isn't a solo threat anymore.
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>>136693286
You freaking ignoramus this is /co/ we read the comics here
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>>136693158
I can only think of Steph as a character that was created in Tim's solo that is still relevant, but she was created as an extension of an already existing villain too. So she herself isn't completely unique to Tim.
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>>136693172
What are some noteworthy Deadpool exclusive characters then?
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>>136693040
Dick was Batman for 2 years and was the main character in all of DC comics though? Wally has never reached that level. Then when Flash was taken from Wally he got erased, but Dick has never been erased despite editorial trying at times.
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>>136693509
I think it was more that Tim just wasn't a strong enough solo character to survive without the support of the Robin identity. It is why once Robin was taken from him all his personality and character seemed to go away with it and writers had no idea what to do with him. Tim only works in one very specific role as a character.
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>>136693754
>he got erased
He got better.
>murders a bunch of people intherapy
He got better...after that...
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>>136693673
Right, but the main thing is that those structures were in place to enable the storytelling. Solo book supporting casts are rarely memorable or visible outside of that one book, and Steph remains something of an outlier character for being broadly popular enough to escape into general continuity.
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All I want is my adventures of Nigthwing and Batgirl and nobody else.
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>>136668278 (OP)
W*men took over comics and poisoned it with obnoxious romance plots like they always do
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>>136668626
The weird part is the actual triangle didn't actually start until the 90s. Wolverine's love for Jean was presented as unrequited and he got over it for his Japanese waifu.
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>>136695233
Men were writing relationship drama in thr comics long before America was turned into a lesbian
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>>136668278 (OP)
Robin/Batgirl is old enough that it's sort of been osmosed into general Batfamily knowledge, plus they had a fair bit of flirting in the BTAS cartoon (before Batman Beyond ruined it by making Batman/Batgirl a thing). Robin/Starfire didn't really get popular until the 2003(?) Teen Titans cartoon was a huge hit.
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>>136668278 (OP)
You do know that Archie, Betty and Veronica still exist, right?
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>>136691857
Cope more. Cyclops is sucking Logan's butt right now as we speak.
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>>136685079
While I wouldn’t like it in the main continuity, I’m kinda surprised no one has ever done Dick/Donna in some one-off.