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Kurt Cobain wasn't talented he was an attractive mentally ill man, and that intrigued people.
No excuse for bringing the skill involved in popular music to new lows.
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its been 20 years and you chimps are still coping, get over it faggot
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>>115912753 (OP)
from what ive read he probably just got loaded on heroin put the gun in his mouth then pulled the trigger when he was nodding off, the person who found him thought he was sleeping except for blood coming out of his ear so the bullet didn't even exit his head, more than likely he was a vegetable with terminal brain damage for a few minutes or hours before his body shut down
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>>115912819
You could replace all the lyrics of his songs with "blah blah" and none of the impact would be lost.
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>>115912858
he was on the right shit at the right time and got lucky, pulled off some catchy tunes then lost it to opiates. once the money started rolling in he forgot how to write "good meaningless" lyrics" probably wouldve trooned out if he lived anyway
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>>115912882
He wrote meaningless lyrics because he was mentally ill, had friends who started a band with him because he was attractive.
Simple as no talent keep coping Nirvananiggers.
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>>115912819
fpbp
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>>115912904
There's no cope to be had if the quality of popular music can still be recovered.
Also he's dead, you can't fuck him anymore I don't know why you're mad.
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>>115912893
probably true now that you say it like that lmao no sane person would btfo their vocal cords as much as he did and not end up killing themselves
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>>115912917
go back to your bedroom and have another pepsi, basement dweller
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>>115912944
And who cares? There was no talent involved.
Kind of like David Bowie, another faggot who sank popular music by being a talentless pretty face.
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>>115912944
in his demos he started with less meaningless lyrics then once he started rehearsing them with the band to play for an audience he rewrote them out of embarrassment
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>>115912893
The lyrics are not meaningless, they're very cryptic.
To the point that they only fully made sense to his brain, but now there's no brain in Kurt Cobain, so they sound "meaningless".

If you want some meaning, ask me and I'll illuminate you
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lol gtfo queer
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>>115912955
>David Bowie
>sank popular music

Nobody in the normiesphere ever heard of Bowie
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>>115912976
>>115912955
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>>115912753 (OP)
He was an annoying faggot but he had an incredible voice. If he was just some guy who pulled out an acoustic guitar at a campfire and starting singing the whole place would be blown away, so you can't say the guy is not talented.
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>>115912987
>>115912985
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>>115912985
It's about the faggotry he started enabling.
Punk rock, synth and electronic, screamo, etc. It's thanks to numbnuts like him that music topping the charts today is truly devoid of heart or skill.
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>>115912991
>His voice
Garbage. Once again, people found skill that wasn't there because he was attractive.
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>>115912843
My own personal fanfiction is that it was an assisted suicide. Killing yourself is pretty tricky when you're a high tolerance opiate user. He injected the shit, someone else (the nanny? some other unknown visitor or close friend?) pulled the trigger a few minutes later to make sure he was definitely gone.

Reality is probably that David Geffen was tired of his shit, Courtney pointed out to him that rock stars are worth more dead than alive and Kurt was ripe for eulogising as the 'voice of a generation', Geffen gave the go ahead, a plan was orchestrated, the Cobain's nanny and Eric Erlanderson were paid to bump him off, and Geffen/Courtney/Grohl/everyone sat back and watched the royalties roll in.

Erlanderson wrote a creepy poetry collection about Kurt a few years ago, as though the guy was his best mate... very odd. One of many hanger ons Kurt picked up via Courtney
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>>115913066
im pissed off about how he didnt get on the plane to work with stipe cos after his death stipe stopped writing good music
--- 115913208
Kurt absolutely had a talent for songwriting. There are millions of pretty boys that try to make it in music, but only one Kurt.
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>>115913208
OK, he also happened to help destroy popular music with his utter trash.
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>>115913222
trips of truth 
I agree he made it look easy with what he did and everyone afterward misinterpreted it and thats why theres only one kurt and countless hacks that came after the fact
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>>115913251
>only one kurt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXB8ivmWLs [Embed]
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>>115913222
bro have you listened to that absolute garbage that came out pre 1991? Music was in a sad sad state until nirvana came along and made melody relevant again
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>>115912985
> Nobody in the normiesphere ever heard of Bowie

Lmao jesus christ. Bowie was a mega pop star in the 70s and 80s, had multiple #1 hits. His Berlin records weren't a massive commercial success but everyone knows Space Oddity, Changes, Ziggy Stardust, Let's Dance
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>>115913449
Nirvana made it worse.
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>>115912985
nah every normie was posting #RIPBOWIE on social media the day he died. they know who he is even if not super familiar with his work
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>>115913222
It's not Nirvana's fault a bunch of buttrock bands tried to superficially emulate their sound without the punk/indie influences that made Nirvana stand out
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>>115913511
It is, I don't think Nirvana was good either.
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>>115913526
Personally I blame Pearl Jam more for the post grunge buttrock stuff, bands like Creed and Nickelback are more reminiscent of them
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>>115913485
yr such a complete faggot.
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The entire problem here is "art is subjective".
It's not. Skill is very much objective, but it hasn't been a concern for music producers since the 60s.
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>>115913546
kurt was objectively a better songwriter than anyone else at the time
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>>115913577
If you're into caveman music.
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j mascis is a better guitar player
alice in chains were a better band
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>>115912753 (OP)
Well OP, why don't you write some songs that can still be a great listen after 30 years.
And that people can still remember and say: yeah that song really rocked.

If you can't and won't sell tens of millions doing it, then maybe you're not qualified to pontificate like that.
Do it first, then talk.
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>>115913066
could have even been whacked by some dealer, i seem to remember reading he wasn't always prompt with payments etc
regardless, a PI courtney hired to spy on kurt is the one who started the whole murder thing, supposedly because he was going to divorce her and planned to run off with hole's bassist who ended up dead in similar circumstances not long after
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>>115914264
Courtney has been throwing a tantrum about him buying guns for years. She'd find them and throw them out, then they'd have a fight about it. She knew he was mentally unstable and he could crack any moment, go in the garage and spray himself.

Sometimes things really are the way they seem. But if you're a schizo you can mold reality like plasticine to make it suit your darkest distorted fantasies.
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>>115913012
>Muh looks

You couldn't even fucking see his face properly on Smells Like video which blew them up
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Kurt’s lyrics are meant to intrigue with pained imageries and to have a jagged quality to them like the music
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>>115914650
Yeah they're emotionally impressionistic, which is one reason why Nirvana fascinates zoomies a bit.
It speaks to their quirky emotional impressionistic zeitgeist
And that's after 30 years still
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>>115912843
She was actually transgender and shot herself in front of a portrait of what she wanted to look like. Check the diary notes: "I am not a man, let me grow breasts."
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>>115912753 (OP)
He was talented, attractive and mentally ill. He’s just like me.
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>>115912940
He just put The 4-Skins,Boston,Killing Joke,Bad Brains,The Pixies,Celtic Frost,CCR,and maybe like Cheap Trick in a blender and ran with it for a while. Kurt didn't think Nirvana was special either so idk why people still hype it up so much. I guess the number of people who are fans of all of these bands is a pretty small overlap but if you've heard all the shit Kurt namedropped in order it looses the magic pretty quickly.
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>>115915345
Then why are you still here on 4chan?
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>>115915312
with all that money, why not troon out? worked for wendy carlos in the fucking 70s
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>>115915549
That’s because of the mentally ill part. 4chan is used by more than just the dregs of society anyway, imo.
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There are many metrics one can use to measure the merits and quality of a band or artist. Skill or technicality is certainly one but it’s not end all, be all. You say new lows were made by nirvana all while talented musicians were starring in shitty hair metal bands like Poison and Motley Crue. Not that punk bands like Sex Pistols didn’t already exist which prioritized melody and spirit over execution. Get over it and realize you live in a world where Kurt Cobain captivated and continues to do so, a generation
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>>115915686
They weren't great songwriters either.
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>>115915686
AiC had a much bigger impact on contemporary bands when you look at ot through a objective lense. If Kurt hadn't died incredibly young he really would have just fallen into obscurity.
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>>115915748
You’re in the minority 

>>115915795
I have not noticed. I generally see annoying bands and rappers still mention Nirvana or Kurt Cobain as a source of inspiration. I only ever see Aic mentioned in loud-wire type channels, which is pretty sad
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>>115915312
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>>115914360
Husbands and wives murder each other all the time, for insurance money, assets, all sorts of reasons.

Hell, regular people kill friends, colleagues and even strangers for less, and the guy was a multimillionaire with a known suicide complex and drug issues. We don't even know that much about him really, who knows what other enemies he had

Of course we'll never really know as there's no hardcore evidence/new leads and it was all so long ago... but it's not impossible.
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>>115913589
grew up performing classical. glam rock and 80s pop was for degens with no class and no taste. Nirvana was a common persons reclamation of music of real quality as opposed to the wet dreams of working class slobs
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>>115915795
they influenced those terrible buttrock and numetal bands
aic is still god tier though
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>>115915910
>I only ever see Aic mentioned in loud-wire type channels, which is pretty sad

what's sad about it?
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>>115916184
I enjoy some Nu Metal desu but you're not wrong,most bands who were directly inspired by Nirvana were fucking horrible.
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>>115915910
They still get as much classic Rock radio airtime as Nirvana does as does Pearl Jam,although tbf this probably isn't exactly a real measure of relevance anymore,who the fuck actually wants to listen to KISS now?
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>>115915910
A lot of Metal Bands especially Sludge Metal Bands were directly inspired by or started because of AiC. Most of said rappers aren't really that Nirvana inspired and what they present as "Grunfe" Vocals are really more a mix of Nu Metal,Pop-Punk,and Black Metal. He's more remembered for the band logo at this point which isn't uncommon. I imagine Slayer and Joy Divison would loose a lot of fans if people actually listened to their songs and heard what they were singing about lol. You're not wrong about Loud Wire but they just make clickbait videos about anything even veaugly popular so that more means someone will still click on it if anything.
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>>115916198
Call this bias or personal but they remind me of the warped tour era but just with more djenting. It doesn’t strike me as like a legitimate place but on a side note, Code Orange covered down in a hole pretty well
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I don't think I'm alone on thinking that Kurt's songwriting style was boring or that he was a terrible vocalist either. Very well known that a lot of his best songs were stolen. Also don't exactly think Rolling Stone is a great measure of relevancy either although I do get what you're saying. Sitting on Nirvana seems to be a rare uniting factor amoung Punks and Classic Rock Fanboys although this is likely more territorial than anything to do with the actual music. I just don't like his voice or guitar work as much as Courtney's or the guy from Akin Yards or Le Ebpic Stone Temple Pogchamps as the kids call them etc etc. He doesn't stand out to me out of a ll those bands really. I'll admit that come as you are is ok but it's not something I would go out of my way to listen to.
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>>115915387
Yeah but the way he did it catapulted his band into mainstream stardom, at least with a few hits.
None of those bands ever made it higher than an indie chart. Ok maybe Boston breaks the pattern. But the point is most of his influences were from underground music and somehow he managed to polish the turds that came from that scene and turn them into melodies with a mainstream appeal, played with a simple rock instrumentation.

The thing is that he could do that and still sound fascinating, like there was some secret ingredient that you couldn't put your finger on, which made the whole thing work. But those who copied his simplified poppy rock recipe only got some ridiculous buttrock turds. The secret ingredient was missing.
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>>115916400
Sure but the influence already existed. Plenty of Nu Metla Bands just came directly out of Hardcore or started as PanterA Clones and it would seriously surprise me if Mudvayne hadn't heard any Black Metal at all ever.
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>>115916400
Celtic Frost were super super popular in Europe,tbf though every other Grunge Band also took ques from Celtic Frost except AiC were Candlemass inspired and Starfish are probably inspired by MetallicA as much as I hate to admit it. Thrash Metal was huge in The 80s. I just find Nirvana boring compared to similar bands from the tike and it seems like music would have been a lot cooler had Nirvana NOT introduced some of this stuff to mainstream audiances.
--- 115916541
I would rather listen to Tany of the bands that inspired Nirvana (Boston and the other more mainstream ones included) than Nirvana themselves. Nirvana have a very strong best of compilation energy which the hoes might love but will always bore me senseless.
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>>115912753 (OP)
i don't get what you mean
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>>115916624
He's more famous for being mentally ill and shooting himself in the head than for his music,which tbf might be accurate.
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>>115912753 (OP)
Write a song as good as Heart Shaped Box then you can talk shit mate
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>>115912858
lyricsfag cope
melody chads stay winning
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>>115916980
>lyricsfag cope
*dylanfags
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>>115915387
oh thats like it and shit? jeez i didnt realize it was so fucking simple
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Nirvana were the grunge band with the most artistic credibility and not just a bunch of macho cockrockers and metalheads. They were real authentic punk rockers and involved with the underground. Pearl Jam were into hair metal stadium rock and had their origins in the borderline hair metal Mother Love Bone, AIC started as a hair metal band, Soundgarden had some cred and were local but they didnt have the same balance of pop sensibilities with off kilter influences, they were more jock, more metal less punk. kurt was listening to shit like swans, smithereens, scratch acid, butthole surfers, minutemen, daniel johnston, jesus lizard, dude knew what was up
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>>115917424
soundgarden were pretty punk in the early days. chris listened to bands like the ramones, bauhaus, killing joke, and a lot of the postpunk music that was around in the early 80s.
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>>115914264
uncle ted kozinsky was right
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>>115912753 (OP)
just imagine how pro-vaccine kurt would have been. i bet he'd be like, unless you are quint-vaxed, love trannies and blm dont come to my shows. he'd probably tel people to punch nazis and hang out with anti-fa s oys
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>>115917558
kurt on joe rogan talking about how spotify still sucks cos artists dont get paid much for streaming lol
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>>115912753 (OP)
How many records have you sold?
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>>115912819
>20 years
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>>115917424
you obviously have not heard ultramega ok and screaming life
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>>115913003
let me guess you listen to prog rock and think music should be all about theory, technique, and unusual time signatures. lmao at this absolute fag.
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>>115917424
Generally agree but youre underselling Soundgarden a bit. They werent cockrockers
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>>115916150
The absolute state of modern society
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>>115916150
It’s ironic given how many trannies commit suicide but then, I would imagine they die as well to transphobia according to whatever the fuck that thing is
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>>115916150
kek
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>>115916289
>A lot of Metal Bands were directly inspired by or started because of AiC.
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It annoys me that it's so high. Even more than London Calling being up there somehow.
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>>115912753 (OP)
a glam metal vocalist posted this
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>>115919211
im bothered by how many catchy songs are loaded onto nevermind and in such polished production form too
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>>115915312
>>115916150
Lies upon lies. Why? 

Stop trying to make the dead part of your cult.