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--- 634324616
>Childhood is thinking Shadow is based 
>Adolescence is thinking he's cringe 
>Adulthood is knowing Shadow is based. 
>"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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I never doubted Shadow's basedness for an instant in my life.
--- 634324819
bow your head low
all hail Shadow
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Chadow....I kneel....
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Bump
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>>634324749
same. This revelation would apply for someone like sonic who speaks like bart simpson
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>>634324616 (OP)
Yeah he's cool but sega are being huge fags and mandate him to be shit
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>>634325791
Ummmm Shadowsisters....
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>>634324616 (OP)
Hes nowhere near as edgy as people's perception of him. Not even in StH where he held guns and the neutral endings.
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>>634325791
STOP IT KID!
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>>634325791
why did he do it??
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>>634326127
how was he in the vn game?
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>>634327829
because he could
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>>634326727
It's pretty funny there is no lore reason why he decides to pick up guns either its purely just a gameplay thing and is never spoken about in any sort of context
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>>634328104
He's actually fine in that one. He still acts like he doesn't want to be there but he actually engages with the cast and does something nice for amy and it's more of a case of his actions speaking for him, he's not 06 shadow but he's good in there
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The game is just reworked Heroes with a branching path system justified by a threadbare morality system. Game's generally fine, even if the story and characters are goofy.
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>>634328104
He has a cute moment where he tries to hide he was getting Amy tickets for a concert of a band she likes.
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>>634324616 (OP)
I want to fuck Shadow.
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Shadow with guns was always cool and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't
--- 634331241
Shadow is cool and all but honestly as I got older I felt Metal Sonic is actually the coolest.
For me the ranking of Sonic parallels is something like 
Metal Sonic > Surge = Blaze > Shadow > massive powergap > Silver 

Not that Shadow isn't cool, I just like the others more.
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>>634324616 (OP)
>>634324749
>>634324819
>>634324956
>>634331048
I love all you guys
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Fellas
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>>634331667
Based
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>>634331048
*cocks smg
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>>634324749
Yup, loved him since I was a boy and as a man, I bought his F4F statue.
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When did Sonic entered Chunni territory? It's a game about a blue hedgehog who eats chili dogs and goes fast.
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>>634332802
You can literally say anything shouldn't be taken seriously if you describe it so autistically like that. One of the most violent fantasy book series I've read with graphic descriptions of death, injury, mutilation, routine cannibalism that is just barely kept off-page, routine light torture, and permeating belief that the proper way of dealing with bad guys is to kill them stone dead is a fantasy book series for kids. It is also about cute fuzzy animals. It is also pretty popular, so your appeal to popularity is invalid. (I'm talking about Redwall books, just in case you try to pull the disbelief card.)
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>>634324616 (OP)
Shadow is fucking shit specifically becaise he's an incredibly lame attempt to inject seriousness and darkness into a fundamentally childish premise.
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>>634333595
I don't know how mindbroken retards like you can play a cheesefest like SA2 and think NO NO NO NO THIS IS TOO SERIOUS, or play SA1 and think THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE OLDER GAMES when it's literally a direct continuation of the story of Sonic 3 with a daikaiju thrown in for good measure. It's almost like you haven't played the games or have a kneejerk reaction to anything more complicated than a picture book.
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>>634328104
Though he was pretty shit in it
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>>634333595
So it's even better when he stands there in contrast to all the bright kiddy shit going on around him. it's funnier that way.

It's only shit when the setting/story is as edgy, serious and dark as Shadow.
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>>634333851
We're not talking about SA2 (which is generally written fine, even if, as you said, cheesy), we're talking about shadow the hedgehog, the character and his game. SA1 is shit because it's a broken ugly mess with a stupid and boring story and emphasis on a completely pointless hub world.
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>>634333595
Bad post
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>>634334543
That's just it though, shadow has never been meant to be or presented as a gag, all of the official material treats him and his baby's first tragic backstory very seriously. When they hand him an assault rifle to fire at police officers, it's not as a joke.
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>>634334793
And that's when Shadow is lame.
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>>634334543
That is literally when Shadow is at his worst and is cringe as all hell. Fuck off
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>>634334894
Post evidence of shadow at his best.
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>>634335107
No
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>>634335107
https://youtu.be/wjWf8ATgAho [Embed]
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>>634335130
Then be silent.
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>>634335107
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>>634335219
>UUH DEBATE ME BRO DEBATE ME
Fuck off.
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>>634334793
>>634334894
>Takes itself too seriously 
>Cringe 
These phrases and its impact on American media has been fucking disastrous.
This is why you get these movies like the Star Wars sequels that were constantly adding quips and self-aware humor pointing out how ridiculous they are.

All it leads to is insecure stories because the people working on them feel like they have to make a "nudge nudge, wink wink, can you believe this?" statement to the audience.

This is a huge reason why younger audiences are getting more into anime and manga.
Because those stories will often have absolutely ridiculous premises, characters, and so on, but be completely played straight 99% of the time.
And even when it comes off as cheesy, or corny it still has that genuine quality shining through.
Meanwhile everything we make in America is drenched in layers of ironiy, sarcasm, and cynicism.
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>>634335204
>cringe shadow vs lame silver
These two are better as jokes than actually taken seriously
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based thread
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>>634335291
I know, I'm agreeing with you
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>>634335260
>"I don't have to give examples!"
u r a homo and a coward
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>>634331667
>>634331765
Me on the right
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>>634335480
Stay filter and fuck off
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>>634335228
Good post.
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>>634335524
big gay and fear
--- 634336037
Furries deserve the rope.
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>>634336037
If you don't want to fuck Rouge you are literally gay. I'm sorry
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>>634335291
Shadow as a premise is too retarded to be taken seriously. The correct way to implement the character would have been to have him be and act like a child using belligerance and bratty misanthropy as a coping mechanism for his shitty origin. That would make his behavior be both more reasonable and more endearing, and it would better lead to the sequel game about him trying to understand himself and what he wants to do with his life. Instead what we got was an emo chunni loser, which can only be compelling as a joke.
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>>634324616 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veSFrIVKXOY [Embed]
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>>634328219
He's fast...
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>>634324616 (OP)
9gag the hedgehog isnt bad because its childish. It is bad because it is a low quality work that do not fit the setting.
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>>634336208
>Shadow as a premise is too retarded to be taken seriously.
Stopped reading there. Worthless post.
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>>634336208
>Create being called ultimate life form
>Acts like child
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>>634334597
Do u really think "Ancient ayy lmaos have come to take over earth and they try recruiting an amnesiac hedgehog with identity issues and magic chaos powers" is an attempt at injecting seriousness and darkness into a fundamentally childish premise?
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>>634336719
From Nips at Sega? Yes.
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>>634325791
SHADOWBROS......... OUR RESPONSE???????
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>>634336413
It's true and you know it. Giving sonic an edgy serious rival was moronic concept born of suits in japan desperately trying to appeal to a contemporary youth they did not understand. It's also just a fucking lazy, brainless attempt to ape the popularity of DBZ, ignorant of other major and important differences between the franchises. My suggestion for how Shadow should have been written and implemented works much better.
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>>634324616 (OP)
>"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
This isn't your end-all excuse to justify eating shit.
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>>634336806
Did u think "Evil scientist building replica Death Star modelled after his head and using wildlife as fuel for his oppressive machines" was somehow above this?
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>>634336208
>Shadow as a premise is too retarded to be taken seriously.
You literally just proved the point of the post from the very first sentence. You have no actual argument against anything that's being stated here. Just a mishmash of your personal feelings. Next time when you want to make an argument, bring something of substance to the table.
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>>634336205
Gay means nothing in current year, nice retort, furfaggot.
--- 634337106
Isn't Shadow here a robot?
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>>634336719
It was. Have you played SA2 or Shadow? It's not a joke.
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>>634336993
>did you th
Yes.
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>>634336208
No, the "Ultimate Life Form" idea is really cool and the idea that one's own choices matter more than the circumstances of one's birth is a common theme in Jap media of the era.
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>>634337010
Read the whole post you lazy nigger
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>>634336970
>Giving sonic an edgy serious rival was moronic concept born of suits in japan desperately trying to appeal to a contemporary youth they did not understand.
You mean like Metal Sonic, and Knuckles? 
>My suggestion for how Shadow should have been written and implemented works much better.
They literally already did your origin story for him in SA2 and Heroes. You're acting sanctimonious over video games you haven't even played.
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>>634337106
There have been robot duplicates of Shadow, but the one that keeps showing up is the real deal, having survived the events of Adventure 2
--- 634337265
Wait do people unironically like Shadow the Hedgehog (the game)
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>>634337121
Sonic games for literal children are srs bsns
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>>634337265
Yeah, it's hard to imagine but some people are just that based.
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>>634337219
I already did and your post was a nonsense rebuttal suggesting an idea that Sega already did with Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes. Again, quit acting so sanctimonious over games that you've never even played before.
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>>634336208
>>634336970
>I can't enjoy anything unless it has overtones of satire/irony/comedy
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>>634337374
Why though? Taking the worst part of Sonic Heroes, Chaotix missions, and turning it into a full game is an awful experience
That, and the """morality""" system is a fucking joke
--- 634337764
>WE ALL DANCED IN FIRE
>TRAPPED IN THIS MACHINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ-bjZD1EnI [Embed]
--- 634337809
>>634337243
>You mean like Metal Sonic, and Knuckles?
Knuckles was a goofball who got tricked into fighting sonic. Metal sonic and sonic heroes were shit, yes. 
>They literally already did your origin story for him in SA2 and Heroes.
No, Shadow has always been written and voice acted as an adult, and the games tried to present his conflicts and behavior as genuinely deep and cool.
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>>634337265
Yeah. There's a lot it did right.
>Generally controls really well (uses the Heroes engine, IIRC, and improves on it significantly)
>Rail switching got fixed
>Combat is generally unobtrusive (Melee weapons needed a significant improvement but guns were fine)
>Soundtrack is good
>The branching level idea was good
>World design is great
>Level design is mediocre
>Voice acting was actually not too bad imo
>Rendered cutscenes look PHENOMENAL
>In-engine cutscenes look not great
>WAKING UP, WAKING UP *gunshot* *gunshot*
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>>634337265
Many people are retards and will go to bat for dogshit if it came out when they were ten years old.
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>>634329456
>he doesn't know
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>>634325791
NOOOOOOO NOOOO IM THE ULTIM-ACK
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>>634337615
I literally suggested an alternative approach which would not have required satire or irony.
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>>634337427
No they didn't.
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>>634337809
>Knuckles was a goofball who got tricked into fighting sonic. Metal sonic and sonic heroes were shit, yes.
And they still tried to make them into edgy rivals. Unless you're telling me that a robot version of the main character with sharp fingers, quills and red eyes that doesn't talk doesn't fall under "edgy"?
>No, Shadow has always been written and voice acted as an adult, and the games tried to present his conflicts and behavior as genuinely deep and cool.
Uh-huh, and? Can you not enjoy anything that doesn't have overtones of satire/comedy/irony?
>>634338015
This is hard to believe when you said that the literal concept of the character itself was too stupid to be taken seriously. That's the kind of irony marvel uses.
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>>634324616 (OP)
>>Adulthood is knowing Shadow in his first few games* was based
fixed
--- 634338201
>>634336208
I think that there's an implication in SA2 that Shadow was ALSO just a prototype of the ultimate life form and that Sonic would eventually be made as the "complete version" so to speak. So there's this identity thing where Shadow believes that he's what Sonic actually is and Sonic is a fake/copy of him, hence their interactions throughout the game and why Sonic is able to Chaos Control using a fake emerald and why only Shadow falls to earth and """dies""" at the end. It's a really neat idea and it's a shame that Sega/Sonic Team are FUCKING RETARDED and couldn't follow up on that in any meaningful way.
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>>634338106
Yes they did. Shadow's personality was always a front for his origins.
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>>634338184
Someone has to say it: Shadow's character in every portrayal since 06 has been absolute garbage the same way that every portrayal of Sonic's character since Black Knight has been dogshit.
--- 634338361
>>634324616 (OP)
>When I became a man,
ywnbam
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>>634338361
. . . what is a man?
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>>634337084
>Gay means nothing in current year,
Sounds like something an actual faggot would say
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>>634324616 (OP)
>Enter
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>>634338330
No it wasn't. We know this because it has literally never changed, even long after coming to terms with his origin, and it's never suggested he's just keeping up appearances.
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>>634327829
>>634326826
>>634336961
>>634337929
>>634326518
He must be stopped.
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>>634338361
the flinch in your eye call you're bluff.
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>>634338201
Of course this would go on to spawn fan theories about how Shadow is actually modelled after Sonic and the Biolizard was modelled after Perfect Chaos based on the mural in those ruins from Sonic Adventure, which really would only deepen the whole "imposter" issue between the two, but that's purely speculation whereas there's more evidence in behaviors and dialogues in SA2 to suggest the previous post
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>>634338148
Knuckles was never edgy. Metal was, and yes, he was shit.
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>>634338702
HOKUTO
HYAKURETSU KEN
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>>634338651
>Character has no development unless they 180 their whole personality. 
Play 06 and observe his behavior compared to SA2 and Heroes.
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>>634338651
>Shadow's personality never changed
Shadow has had at least 4 different personalities at this point, anon
>I'm the coolest (Believes he's the ultimate life form)
>Amnesiac desperate for answers
>Serious government agent
>Moody and brooding
--- 634339658
People give Shadow a lot of shit for being edgy but I want you to really think about things and tell me you wouldn't be the same in his position
>Wake up in a pod in a secret, sealed lab somewhere
>Some robot IMMEDIATELY starts firing machine guns at you
>Crazy big boob bat lady makes all three of you team up
>Go after eggman because it was his lab you were sealed in, after all
>He lies and tells you that he created you
>Meet other characters that claim to know you from your past
>NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM just tell you what happened
>This goes on for potentially YEARS
>Fucking ALIENS invade earth
>Their leader says "Hey, you're one of us. Help us out and I'll give you answers"
>He doesn't give you answers either
>In fact his soldiers attack you
>So does the government even though you got your picture taken at the white house with your buddy (?) Sonic
>All you want is someone to just tell you what happened
>Nobody does
I'd be misanthropic and possibly homicidal too, desu
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>>634333595
This. Terrible character that reminds me why this shitty franchise remains a joke.
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>>634340029
stfu faggot
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>>634339658
You forgot the most important part:
>got his cute little Alic- I mean Maria stolen from him
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>>634338761
Metal didn't talk.
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>>634340063
>likes shitdow
You’re part of the reason why this franchise is complete ass.
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>>634340303
filtered
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>>634338505
How is that Espio the ninja chameleon manages to fly under the radar in all this discourse over cringy serious characters?
--- 634340597
I’m jealous of Mario because they don’t have some emo faggot forced into all the games.
No wonder the classics are remembered differently. Yeah this jobdow fucker didn’t exist.
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>>634338201
>Sonic is able to Chaos Control using a fake emerald and why only Shadow falls to earth and """dies""" at the end.
This always seemed like a callback to sonic 2 where super sonic falls to earth and that shadow had simply never gone super before. Knowing naka's character autism, he was never gonna let shadow truly die.
FYI the ultimate lifeform is immortal and immune to disease. Sonic was better at chaos powers because he's natural, but shadow could get better with more practice since he's made from a race that have (potential) ties to the chaos emeralds.
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>>634334597
that "pointless" hub world is SOVL...something you know nothing about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw221bE6JyU [Embed]
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>>634338702
Standing here, I realize...
You are just like me, trying to make history...
But who's to judge, the right from wrong
When our guard is down I think we'll both agree
That violence, breeds violence
But in the end! It has to be this way!
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>>634340597
Then go play mario faggot.
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>>634340597
>I-Is that, A SERIOUS PLOT?! IN MY GAME?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT MY BING BING WAHOO WOMPTY DOMPTY CARTOON BACK!!!!
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>>634340638
Don't mind me, just posting the SUPERIOR Sonic tribal jungle music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CapHFpwf-sc [Embed]
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>>634340384
Because he was squandered potential.
He was pretty cool in Chaotix, Heroes, X and ShtH. But after that Sega did literally nothing with him.
Vector is infinitely better now
--- 634340901
Sonic died during the classic era.
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>>634340901
very cool. nobody asked, faggot
--- 634340984
Playing Sonic Adventures for the first time on Dreamcast emulator. Controls are weird and irritating on keyboard but I like the game. Just beat the Lost World Stage after like 30 tries. Need to take a little rest.
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>>634324616 (OP)
This game was a mistake and always will be.
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>>634331673
seems legit
--- 634341101
Why was it so hard to continue the Adventure formula after 2? Did it flop? Or did they just decide to go a different direction because reasons?
--- 634341146
The fact is that Shadow, Espio, Metal Sonic and Infinite are cool and most people just can't handle it.
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>>634325791
>>634326518
>>634326826
>>634336961
>>634338702
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>>634341101
Definitely didnt flop, but Izuka basically said Heroes was an attempted to appeal to classictards
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>>634341146
Espio and Metal Sonic are fine and fit the cartoony aesthetic.
Shadow and Infinite suck. Deviant art tier designs.
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>>634341146
I like Infinite, but Sage is Infinite done much better
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>>634336208
There's an intelligence and appreciation for what's being written behind the edgy and over the top events and visuals that gives it the sincerity OP is talking about. Being sincere means having a respect for what you're doing and what came before it and the guts to do something with it.
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>>634341101
Team didn't want to make a game with 3 in the title as their first foray into non-Sega systems.
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>>634341101
It's a thing with jap developers not understanding their consumers. I've heard it from a bunch of different people that major devs over in japan have a tendency to not understand why people like older games over new stuff. They believe that novelty is inherently a positive thing so when they see people preferring gamecube games to something on the switch, for example, they just don't get it. "That game is old. Why don't you play this game instead! Look! It's different and new! Very cool, desu!"
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>>634341230
>It was a hologram
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>>634341146
>>634341295
>>634341334
Who the fuck is Infinite
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>>634341101
They only changed direction after 06 really. heroes and shadow had different tones, but still continued the story. After the dreamcast they probably needed to see what would appeal other audiences.
It died in 06 due to 06 being a failure and everything related to 06 was put on the chopping block, including multiple characters and adventure-like story. Unleashed sort of tried to continue it, but by generations it had completely dissipated. Frontiers is a sort of return to form, especially since iizuka wants to try adventure again using frontiers as a base.
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>>634341146
>and Infinite
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>>634341568
Some weakling
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>>634325791
>>634328219
Heh, now show me your strength against someone who can fight back, if you dare.
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>>634334597
Not to pretend that SA2 didn''t have its problems but most of you dumbasse didn't even play the real one on the Dreamcast which was 10ntines better than DX. SA2 aldo sucks and is 90 percent unfun gameplay hogged up by other non sonic gameplay. The fun " gameplay" part half plays itself throughout the layerless, railroaded level design scheme in the Sonic and Shadow levels. Dumb kids who grew up on that SA2 shit like it because they were Cube kiddies and SA2 was their first "Sonic" game.
Sonic Robo Blast 2 is superior to both Adventuree games in every way and are property representations of classic style Sonic gameplay in3d, among many other independent examples.
Fuck a SA3, I want a SRB3, with a Sega budget.
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>>634325791
Cute sissy boy
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>Sonic vs Mario fans
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>>634342083
Robo blast is cringe and pales in comparison to chad Sonic fucking HEROES
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>>634341334
Sage is just Infinite and Metal Sonic combined in a loli that isn't as fucking lame as Cream

So she's fine too.
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>>634341635
Yeah but Frontiers fucking sucked
>Rails and "level" items aren't organically integrated into the environment like Green Forest or City Escape and they instead just float there and look out of place
>Super Sonic feels cheap instead of a cool epic finale
>Breaking Benjamin soundtrack (I like Undefeatable but it all feels very edgy and out of place for Sonic)
>Ikaruga final boss
>DID YOU GET OUR EPIC PAST GAME REFERENCES? (Hearing the name "Neo Metal" made me feel disgusted)
>Controls still feel floaty and Sonic still magnetizes to whatever ground he's on
>Environments feel more like a Xenoblade game than Sonic
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Shadows origin was great, but they made him a bit too one note afterwards prolly due to his popularity.
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>>634342083
I thought the last of the dreamcast revisionists finally killed themselves after shenmue 3 came out
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>>634342350
How does super sonic being the super boss form seem cheap?
The soundtrack is one of the best parts you can tell they were trying to recreate the popular things around SA2
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>>634336208
That sounds gay.
Hiei Shadow is better, they need to stop making him Vegeta sometimes though. Shadow does not have some inferiority complex nor does he care about doing anything for power or glory.
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>>634337192
Good point, but terrible username.
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>The amount of samefagging from Shadowfags
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>>634324616 (OP)
Oh boy, where do I even begin with this one? "Shadow the Hedgehog" sounds like some sort of obscure indie game character from the early 2000s, or maybe a really bad fan fiction character. But honestly, I have no idea who or what this "shadow the Hedgehog" person is, so I can't say for sure. Maybe if you provided a little more information or context, I could give you a more accurate answer. But until then, I'm just going to assume that you're trolling me and leave it at that.
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>>634342601
It just feels like there's no buildup to the super form when it's used for all the bosses. It feels like a quick way to get out of designing a boss for Sonic's standard moveset (which is very broken in Frontiers) by replacing it with shadow clone jutsu bullshit. I guess it's kind of like power creep.
>The soundtrack is one of the best parts you can tell they were trying to recreate the popular things around SA2
Yeah but SA2 (and the rest of what we can consider the Crush 40 games) had theming. Not all bosses had a vocal theme, but the ones that did were typically final bosses (had the title/main theme playing) or some significant fight where the theme was made to aesthetically match the encounter (For True Story). I'd chock it up as another flaw in Frontiers that all the bosses are just kind of the same in terms of visual aesthetics.
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>>634325791
post the dub version.
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>>634325791
That Patagonian dude was going to help but that kid isn't to be messed with.
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>SA2 haters in the thread
I wonder what great new arguments they'll share!
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>>634343159
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of
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>>634324616 (OP)
I hope his movie flops.
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>>634324616 (OP)
I find reddithog to be quite gay
That said, I enjoy shounen-era sonic without a shred of irony
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>>634342490
Shenmue 3 isn't a Dreamcast game, it's a modern crowd sourcing scam. Shenmue was a pioneer back when it came out certainly, this was before GTA3 was even a thing yet, and we wouldn't have had the Yakuza games without this pioneer. Shenmue 3 would have probably been worth a damn if it borrowed cues from the Yakuza games that were already out at the time, but like I said, the project was a scam.
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>>634343493
Dangerously based screenshot. SA2 had so much goddamn soul it had to retroactively suck the soul of all the following games to sustain its existence.
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>>634343226
The aesthetics being samey is a thing but the game in general kind of gets worse as it goes along with the last boss being pretty anticlimactic (this could have possibly been a stat thing) and the final boss being a weird ikaruga thing.
The first one and the skydragon one were good though, and the knight one wasn't that terrible.
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>>634341293
In the most shallowness way sure. Didn't at all play like them, retarded ass zoomer.
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>>634342350
But Frontiers was great? Most of your list is nitpicks anyway.
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>>634344580
cope
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>>634344632
I don't know if I'd call it great but it is absolutely the best thing sonic team has made in like 20 years, but that's not saying much.
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He was cool in SA2
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>>634343493
Why do you you like boring ass Mech and treasure hunting, and the automated railroad Sonic/Shadow levels at all?
>But Muh totes deep plot
Are we reviewing a game or a cartoon?
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>>634343641
>>634343676
>>634343206
>>634336208
I have literally never understood where the hatred for Shadow the Hedgehog came from. His design and character fit nicely within Sonic along with his backstory and he's relatively harmless in the series. An edgy shounen rival fits fine in a series of 90s action tropes. It's ridiculous that he gets all this hate for what is essentially being a cool character that loner kids could relate to.
--- 634345078
This franchise should be dead. 
There’s no reason for it to exist anymore.
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>>634344675
Cope with my balls on your face. You are never getting SA3 because you are no less clueless than the Sonic devs and don't know what made Sonic good to begin with.
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>>634344978
It's half a meme of red/black=edgy and half that the actual game Shadow the Hedgehog is a weird fever dream.
If you take anything anyone here says seriously or as a general indicator of popular trends then you're an idiot, it's 80% shitposting and 20% retards
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>>634343801
I think it's a shame that Shadow the Hedgehog (game) gets shit on so much because it really is a love letter from the developers to Sonic Adventure 2 in video game form.
>Race level on the ARK that fixes the issue with the Crazy Gadget gravity switches
>Heavy Dog gets the GUN mech theme from SA2 and Blue Falcon gets a sick remix of that same theme (They're designed to aesthetically match the SA2 GUN mechs)
>Return to Prison Island from SA2 after it was blown up and rewilded
>Finally fixed rail switching
>Gives juicy deets on Shadow's still mysterious backstory (He was the most popular Sonic character at the time after SA2)
>Goes back to the "Light Vs Dark" theme that SA2 had
>Lethal Highway is a reference to Radical Highway (Also shows the change both in game tone and shadow's character)
>Missions names and descriptions are full of references to SA2 
>Cosmic Fall is a reference to Cosmic Wall
>etc.
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>>634344978
You don’t understand because you didn’t see the downfall. 
To see this series turn into dogshit because of the sheer amount of retarded ideas from ST, is why people would hate an aspect that heavily contributed to that.
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>>634344975
you can make anything boring if you try to
funny you don't mention the parts of the game that actually kind of suck with the knuckles/rouge levels
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>>634328219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scWSTDsj3IM [Embed]
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>>634344840
Most sonic games are great to fine with a few stinkers. I wouldn't even call frontiers the best, that would be unleashed.
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>>634344632
Please explain what you mean by "nitpicks"
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>>634345078
the sonic franchise is undefeatable, cope tranny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_FRDqHT5y0 [Embed]
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>>634345484
>Most sonic games are great to fine with a few stinkers
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>>634345484
>Unleashed
>good
I seriously hope you guys don't think this
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>>634325791
>disgusting black creature get out of my sight!
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>>634345396
What "retarded ideas" did shadow introduce?
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>>634345550
Yeah? What of it? 
>>634345598
Why wouldn't I faggot? It's a good game that I enjoy.
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>>634337374
>based
Cringe is now the new based?
Ok then, going back to locked now because that shit isn't keyed.
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>>634346149
You misunderstand, anon. I seriously hope that you don't think that because that would mean you're retarded and have shit taste, and I don't wish that on anybody,
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>>634345396
Not that guy but I witnessed the downfall. Shadow the hedgehog as a concept is fine, execution is another story, though a lot of the main problems with Shadow the hedgehog was the unremarkable or clashing gameplay, though this has been a problem even without Shadow. They need to ditch that whole alien origin shit altogether though, also Shadow shouldn't be a creation, he should be a hedgehog that was found frozen or fossilized in amber resin like in Jurassic Park when Gerald was excavating ruins for the emeralds and Chaos, would make sense why Shadow is a grown hedgehog and similar to Sonic(Conceptually an ancient relative), he was already an existing being fossilized from ancient times that was simply discovered and thought to make a good subject for experimentation. No need for alien shit.
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>>634345206
The next is going to be more Adventure like. You'd knows this if you weren't a fucking secondary
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>>634341101
It's dogshit. We deserve better. Especially after letting go over classic gameplay just to pander to trannie weebcucks.

Now we need something better than any other attempt at Sonic gameplay before I'll ever call Sonic good again.
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>>634345206
>>634346313
SA 2 isn't even "adventure" like SA1. There no free forming and exploring.
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>>634345484
based
>>634345550
Yes that is definitely something he said
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>>634345424
I did mention the Knux and Rouge levels, that's what I meant when I mentioned the treasure hunting. SA2 is a terrible game. Sonic Robo Blast 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SA3
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>>634345206
What if I suck on your balls? What then faggot?
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>>634346217
You're on fucking /v/ you utter faggot. In what universe do you think you have good taste?
Instead of being an inbred sheep that follows the crowd like a good goy, maybe make some opinions for yourself.
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>>634346435
based hub enjoyer
--- 634346561
Shadow was a mistake. Sonic is such a trash series with too many shitty characters and bad games. I’m glad Sonicfags get nothing but mainline shovelware.
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>>634343676
Liking it is ironic though.
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>>634345656
Losing momentum while shooting in the air, vehicles that are slower than the character themselves, boring weapons, camera that is almost worse than SA1's, lack of physics, slow momentum killing melee moves that do pillow damage.
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>>634346517
>In what universe do you think you have good taste?
All of them :)
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>>634346812
Kek that was kind of based
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>>634346561
Filtered faggot
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>>634346812
What a coincidence, I do as well. Which is why I think sonic games are based
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>>634346313
>The next one is totally going to be SA3 guys.
Yeah you guys have been coping over gaslighting quotes from Iizuka for a decade now. I will laugh when if SA3 happens it will just be Frontiers of the Wild again, or worse, just Sonic 06 again.
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>>634347072
So do I!
But Unleashed sucks just like any other non-rush boostshit game lol
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>>634325791
Destroyed OPs narrative
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>>634347151
>>>The next one is totally going to be SA3 guys.
It is and you'd would know this if you weren't a fucking secondary. Fuck off retard
--- 634347501
Nobody ever talks about how Sonic games don't have local multiplayer anymore. When I was a kid, the 2P modes in Adventure 2 and Shadow were sick as fuck to play with friends.
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>>634324616 (OP)
Extremely based post, it's hilarious how people trot out the CS Lewis quote to defend their love of stuff aimed at young children like Pokemon or Mario but don't get that it covers edgy teenage stuff just as well
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>>634347151
06 was SA3
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>>634324616 (OP)
Who the fuck is Shadow?
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>>634347151
It better be dogshit after people gaslight everyone into thinking Fucktiers was good. Seriously the most embarrassing example of niggers being so company loyal like it's religion I have ever seen in recent times (only thing close is Poketards) and even worse when Genshin BTFO'd them out of the Awards after getting caught cheating with bot votes.

I want Sonic to die because the fanbase is beyond respecting. If I had to be real hear any fan that can actually code worth a shit with all those fan games that either goes nowhere or is just another finished classic Sonic game, move the fuck out of this shithole and make your own IP and make Sonic worthless. Why bother with his dogshit if millions of classic Sonic like games can flood the market? There would be no reason to like Sonic other than to be a chronicle furfaggot.
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>>634347501
Sonicfags don't have friends anymore. The games reflect that
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>>634347607
Kids still have friends, anon
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>>634347220
Unleashed is literally the only one that is actually great. Which is why it is so good. It's unique in being both an actual good boost title (aside from frontiers, though it doesn't feel like a traditional boost game) but also a good platformer in the werehog. 
The reason boost games suck is because they're braindead, which unleashed avoids by being genuinely difficult when you haven't memorized the levels. werehog being good is the bonus.
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>>634347501
Didn't help that Team Sonic Racing wasn't good, at least not compared to All-Stars Transformed
--- 634347753
>>634347485
>it totally is different this time guys!
> I don't need proof, just gaslighting quotes.
> No I don't need to know what the gameplay will be like either
Suckers are what keep the franchise going.
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>>634347584
Holy shit anon, you need to stop being so obsessed with sonic and his fans. It's just a video game bro. People are allowed to like a game that you don't.
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>>634347661
>but also a good platformer in the werehog
Please tell me you're joking
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>>634347584
Sonic is niche now. The games sales are low. The movies barely made it past 400m despite no real competition. The series is no longer the icon it once was. 
It already failed years ago and is borderline unrecognizable now.
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>>634347654
No, they have parasocial relationships with online streamers
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>>634347753
I don't give a fuck that you weren't following interviews up to and after frontiers. go fuck yourself in the ass
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>>634347808
I would never joke about the werehog. Good platforming + action combat that's is genuinely better than what it's inspired by. The majority of people that shit on it are just bad. If people can like sa2's treasure hunting and mech sections, I don't see what's so surprising about liking something actually enjoyable like the werehog.
--- 634348039
>Sonicfags getting heated that on one likes the series like they do
Kek
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>>634348007
>I would never joke about the werehog
Okay good joke
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>>634348039
>IP didnt go up
You're mindbroken lmao
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>>634347957
I was following interviews, that's how I know youbare coping.
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>>634347790
Maybe stop shitting up the internet with your chronic autism then maybe people wouldn't want your kind dead in the streets.
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>>634348116
Pure bullshit.
--- 634348313
Adulthood is realizing the entire sonic franchise is garbage.
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>>634348078
I accept your concession
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>>634348210
You just have not been following the series that long it seems. Like I said, just another sucker.
--- 634348387
This whole thread is an example of why shitdow shouldn’t exist.
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>>634348204
How about you just fuck off and let people enjoy what they want? Go play janny somewhere else faggot, your axe wound is stinking up the place.
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>>634347864
Sad truth. The brand haa been losing relevance from flop after flop. Japan doesn't care about Sonic. I was there for Halloween last year. There was one billboard for Frontiers and multiple for the Persona 3/4/5 ports. One outlet even had P5 music blaring into the streets. The streets were packed and I saw maybe 2 sonic themed cosplays over the whole evening. Persona had more than a dozen
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>>634348385
>Admitting you were full of shit
lmao, retard.
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>>634348452
People did that and one of you sonicfags went and fucked their mother. You fags shouldn't be left to your own devices
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>>634348313
I don't know, given how often I hear "Sonic was never good" and how Arin Hanson spearheaded it, I imagine a teenager would say that.
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>>634348458
Anon, go play pretend somewhere else. Frontiers' booth was reported as having been packed and even won the award for most anticipated game from the event.
>cosplays
They are kemono characters, no one's putting in that effort.
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>>634348452
>How about you just fuck off and let people enjoy what they want?
This isn't your circlejerk discord, trannie. Maybe you should go back instead.
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>>634348640
He was actually more of a pokemon fag, but believe what you want nigger.
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>>634348595
> Admits to being naive
Enjoy Frontiers 2, scamp.
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>>634348778
He didn't mace a GameStop employee because of pikachu was the wrong color
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>>634348834
>Frontiers 2
Fine by me. Just knows it's going to play more like adventure secondary
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>>634348703
This isn't your sekrit klub you braindead tranny. Sonic fans have always been on 4chan, and are allowed to have threads like anyone else. I don't see you complaining about the hundreds of shitty RE threads or soulsnigger threads, sonic at most has like 1 or 2 threads every now and then, go be obsessed somewhere else.
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>>634348943
>Going to play more like SA3
So trusting, zoomie.
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>>634348915
Who gives a shit? He's a retarded pokemon nigger, of course he's gonna be immature and take drastic actions over useless shit, like that fag that tried to call masuda a rapist for the dex cut.
--- 634349204
>>634338702
>>634325791
What is this kid's problem
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>>634349007
Holy shit are you retarded? you just going to keep going over and over. as I said
You would know this if (you) weren't a fucking secondary.
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>>634324616 (OP)
To this day I maintain it's the best Sonic videogame.
The 3rd movie better fucking deliver on showing us all that juicy ARK lore, Maria getting shot, Shadow exploding cars and overall replicating the feels of the original Mewtwo movie now as a Sonic live action film.
By feels I mean the massive jump in violence and threat level compared to regular Pokémon, that's what Shadow represents in Sonic, jokes should be kept to a minimum
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>>634349217
I have been reading interviews for over a decade. It's not my fault you are nu.
--- 634349348
>>634348979
>Sonic fans have always been on 4chan, and are allowed to have threads like anyone else.
Not my problem. My problem is you niggers are pathetic crybabies that want to be coddled for your autism, especially for dead formulas you grew up with.

> I don't see you complaining about the hundreds of shitty RE threads or soulsnigger threads,
Because, Sonictard, those fans aren't pathetic like you are. They have successful IPs worth defending over, unlike Sonicslop.
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>>634349347
>I have been reading interviews for over a decade
Well you clearly fucking fell off. You could have found it out for yourself by now if you weren't such a moron
--- 634349650
His whole deal is that he's supposed to be this dark, mysterious character, but in reality he's just a watered-down version of Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII. And don't even get me started on his backstory. It's like the writers just took all the cliches from every angsty anime ever made and mashed them together into one big pile of garbage. But hey, at least he has a cool sword and can shoot lasers out of his fingers, right? That's gotta count for something, right? I mean, it's not like he has any actual personality or anything. Nah man, Shadow is just a lame attempt at creating a brooding anti-hero. Don't fall for the hype, brah
--- 634349676
>>634349515
> Doesn't know Iizuka been doing baseless gaslighting about SA3 for years.
Sit down zoomie.
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>>634349348
Let me guess, you think Crash Bandicoot is a failure too
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>>634349348
>splatnigger
Now I see
>thinks soulsdrones and capcücks have redeemable IPs
lmao
You are genuinely more autistic than any sonicfag. Even the yumes aren't as obsessed with the IP as you are. Get an actual hobby, or are you just doing in between match disconnections? lmao
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>>634344632
>nitpicks
Is this the new /v/ buzzword that all the hip young kids are parroting these days?
--- 634349753
>>634324616 (OP)
What the fuck happened to Sonic? This is a far cry from the classics.
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>>634349716
It is, for different reasons.
Same with Rayman, because of company sabotage
Sonic however is pure incompetence and spite.
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>>634349745
aside from the fact nitpicks has been used for multiple decades, everything he stated were non-issues that were more about his own tastes than anything.
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>>634349650
Shadow was created during the era of that shit though. His backstory is kinda similar to Vash the stampede, who I wouldn't say is very edgy.
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>>634349650
>Sharing tropes is le bad 
>This means shadow is le had! 
This is what counts as legitimate media criticism?
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Bump
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>>634348659
What do you mean play pretend? Playing pretend would be saying that that Frontiers was the fastest selling recent Sonic game in Japan, ignoring 20 years of poor sales making it an easily clearable hurdle. The brand has fallen so low there it debuted at #4. Named franchises usually get #1.
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>>634324616 (OP)
Actually all three of those things are just childhood.
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>>634349842
What else in your eyes has failed because of "pure incompetence and spite"? I'm curious to know anon.
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>>634349323
they fucked up sonics character so much why would they do shadow any better?

just be glad you have SA2
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>>634325791
>fight shadow won
--- 634351002
SA2>StH>SA>SH
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>>634350729
Being an easy hurdle doesn't make it pretend, anon. The series hasn't been popular there for decades, it's a fine achievement. Hopefully they can build on this and grow even further, there's really not much else to say on the matter.
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>>634348313
Adulthood is realizing the Sonic franchise is only good for gay porn
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>>634350957
Did Sonic have a character besides generic jokester hero? They needed something more to work in movies, I mean Sonic games weren't very cinematic he's just there to run fast and clear levels.
Shadow however has always been very cinematic, 2 games revolve around him and his story.
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>>634349842
It's alright crashfag, I won't hate you. Don't look too down, maybe microsoft will like the aesthetic of series enough to try to continue it.
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>>634349870
How about the game being shit? Is that a nitpick?
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>>634351282
>Did Sonic have a character besides generic jokester hero?
yes, if you played anything before pontaff (the happy tree friends writers) wrote sonic colors to be a big joke for tiny babies, not even bothering to do any research beyond reading the wiki page

they have done untold damage to the brand
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>>634351282
generic jokester hero is from the shitty comics and old american cartoons. He's made wisecracks but he's typically more of laid back kind of guy that does what he thinks is right, regardless of other people beliefs. He's a chaotic good kind of character some would say chaotic neutral because of black knight.
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>>634350952
Instead of sticking to what worked, they always abandon it to chase trends. Only for their autistic fanbase to call it "ambition"

If you're not going to stick with what worked and bested Mario at, then at least actually make a solid product every time you reinvent the wheel instead of shitting out derivative nonsense.

Also, hire actual writers if you're going to insist on pandering to autistic storyniggers.

Also also, if you're going to keep shitting out more and more furry friends for Sonic, actually make them actually useful to gameplay, or not make them autistic to appeal to autistics, otherwise leave them in the autistic comics where they belong.
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>>634351628
You can''t fight nature, jack.
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>>634324616 (OP)
ENTER
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>>634325791
we need to a.i voice this
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>>634325791
https://files.catbox.moe/5v9q7q.mp4
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>>634324616 (OP)
CAST.
HIM.
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>>634351956
I worded it vaguely, I was asking what other series fall under the "pure incompetence and/or spite" umbrella here
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>>634352978
Just play this while watching the webm, it's an 1:1 experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-9TrZzbwM [Embed]
--- 634353241
I Am All of Me is fucking 10/10 kino.
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>>634343434
>>634343481
>>634345636
>>634347345
>>634349204
>>634350981
>>634352978
>>634353178

>>634352996
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>>634353130
Pokemon and Mega Man, with the latter falls under spite
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>>634353984
>Mega Man
I get that the later X games were bad and they got too far ahead of themselves with the subseries count, but I couldn't imagine being dumb enough to compare it to fucking Pokemon like that
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>>634342259
GODnic CHADroes
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>>634340856
While, he was more modest in Rivals 2, his personality shined more when assisting Silver's mission
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>>634354872
OUR HEROES... and Fails I guess...
--- 634355421
didn't they make him a starbucks employee in the new game?
--- 634357182
>>634337764
>DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE WAITED
>AS THE EGGMAN'S WATCHING
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>>634352913
Enter his cloaca
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>>634352978
not ai, but there's also this
https://files.catbox.moe/b3ymun.mp4
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>>634345390
and one that I really liked
>plays a snippet of Live and Learn when he goes Super
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>>634337764
>>634357182
Did we all like the other track they made? https://youtu.be/oQG1wf8k_8A [Embed]
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>>634359446
I certainly did
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>>634324616 (OP)
Shadow was hardly ever good
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>>634325791
SpongeCHADS we won...
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>>634324616 (OP)
Shadow is alright, but i remember not caring anymore for him anymore after they made Blaze.
even as a kid you can realize Shadow's solo game was cringe.