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How goes the mission progress fellow jack-bros?
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stalled somewhere in the 140s, I'll make some progress later today.
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>>634331924 (OP)
Finished DLC3 today, managed to kill The Emperor with Royal Guard Paladin but had to switch to Blessed Knight for The WoL and then Jack since they were so fucking aggressive.

Fucking magic game, 70 hours well spent.
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>unlocked bahamaut difficulty
>did bahamaut kraken to get the assassin limiter releases
Going for void knight and tyrant next.
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I'm going to miss when this game stops getting regular threads
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>>634334304
TN games could keep a general going on /vg/
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>>634334545
Team Nigga lol
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>>634331924 (OP)

Is this game worth $45 for the Deluxe? When does the game get properly hard? I just did some challenge runs in RE4 and kinda want a mid-tier challenge for a bit.
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>>634335009
there's three difficulty modes from the start with more postgame. if you can find the base game and season pass cheaper do that instead, the mini soundtrack and artbook aren't worth the $5 difference between the season pass and deluxe upgrade.
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>going through the FF13 stage in chaos difficulty
>at one point ash says "still afraid of lightning, jed?"
>mfw
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>>634335220

Is the game terribly difficult on whatever the equivalent of Normal is? 

I'm also not sure if anywhere has a discount on just the Season Pass, so probably the best deal I'm gonna get just now.
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Just beat tiamat, how much of the main story is left?
Also are all the bosses as hard as tiamat going forward or is it just an exception?
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>>634335484
ash saying it's hard to breathe in pravoka and jed saying it feels comfy
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>>634336324
Base game, you have some story left.
I'd say there's only one or two more bosses harder than Tiamat, depending on your build.
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>>634335532
The bosses might give you trouble even on normal. It really depends on what your experience with action games are.
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>>634335532
normal isn't that bad, there's an easy mode below it if you need it.
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>>634336779
Remember when Neon talked about how she hates snow?
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Sophia and Neon are old news. Anemone is best girl.
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>>634336935
>>634336963

I've beaten Nioh 2, DMC on DMD, Ninja Gaiden on MN, etc. but part of me isn't really in the mood for that level of challenge right now. Some is fine, just wanna be able to relax at least at the start.
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Currently going through doing every story mission on Lufenia difficulty for the level cap unlocks. I should probably finish the DLC3 story for the 800% affinity unlock though.
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>>634338141
800% is pretty underwhelming, it's just stats and really needs both mastery points and a rift monster to become significant
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>>634338404
I'll take every damage improvement I can get since my damage dealt took a big hit at DLC2, even when compounded with Dark Knight 400% and proper special effects.
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I'm just going back and forth between posting the image and the actual text because I don't know which is more effective.
>>634337080
This game on Hard mode and solo is comparable to Nioh 2's first playthrough, and there are also multiple easier difficulties. But also similar to Nioh you can take steps to dramatically increase your survivability and though you want to try all the jobs to get their abilities and see which are fun, many of them are geared towards defensiveness as indicated by the orange icon.
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>>634338594
More likely what you want from damage is simply adding more Strength/Intellect/Agility via Master Points. You can also get Parry: Damage Dealt which is a pretty sizeable attack buff, and Samurai 250% is also extremely effective.
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should i bother trying to make builds on chaos difficulty?
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>>634339823
Nah, you can still do Chaos just by optimizing gear. Even Bahamut, if you just invest some mastery points into Stamina and Spirit to not get destroyed. From DLC2 onwards, Stamina and Spirit won't really save you though, and you want to start cranking your own builds from that point.
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>>634335484
>lightning in ff13 stage
>also jed is kraken
4d chess reference
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>Got marilith first try
Black Mage is kind of OP, huh.
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>>634331924 (OP)
why is called Final Fantasy ORIGIN?
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>>634339823
Only if you want to, but it's not strictly needed and won't help you as much as just learning the combat will.
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>>634340826
Because it's a prequel to FF1 and Garlands origin story.
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What the actual fuck were they thinking with Death Machine? It legit takes 15 fucking minutes to get to his second phase because he has so little openings. Even when he falls down you only have time for a single instant ability.
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>>634342841
what's your build?
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What affinities do I need for MP generation if I wanna make a Red Mage spell machinegun build?
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>>634331924 (OP)
is this the kind of game where i can main one class and disregard the others? Or will i need to grind out every single one to be optimal?
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>>634343140
you can probably find a guide from before dlc, chainspell spamming was the faggy meta on reddit pre-dlc
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I read somewhere you can unlock gear fusion later, should i be keeping low level artifact gear for fodder?
I know theres like 5k storage, but wondering if its just a waste of time playing loot goblin.
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>>634343869
>should i be keeping low level artifact gear for fodder?
if it has chaos effects of III or higher it might be worth keeping.
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>>634342841
They were thinking use Dimension Bringer u dumbass be patient and punish the electrified moves and Chain Cancel to fit as many hits in as possible.
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>>634343276
You equip two jobs as once and want to use all the jobs at first to learn all the abilities they offer as they are the one thing that transfer between jobs, and the variety is naturally going to be something you can get a lot of enjoyment out of. But after that if you want to stick with certain jobs you can do so, there's a very high amount of customizability and variation available.
>>634343869
Nah, lower level/% gear is more expensive to fuse with and the game gives you plenty to work with just from playing.
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>>634344707
>Dimension Bringer
I forgot about this because who the fuck would even bother with it
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>>634345104
It's really nice to use for back attack intensive builds, particularly so on speedy bosses.
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>>634345104
Anyone with basic reading capabilities and a desire to experience the game they're playing? Who the fuck would get a new ability and ignore it entirely, let alone one that's clearly that effective and interesting just from the description alone?
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How many of you use extra mode to progress through the DLC content? Am I robbing myself of the experience by not working through them without extra mode?
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>>634343276
There's not really any grinding. You can spend points outside of missions to increase class levels. I've almost maxed every single job on first playthrough without ever repeating a mission and almost finished the base game now.
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>>634345104
I use it instead of lightbringer generally. But chaosbringer is my most used.
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finally a thread to ask some questions, recently started bahamut difficulty and im doing missions on max lvl with a couple of trials but im noticing that my damage is super low, do i have to build some shit now? optimize equipment was pretty good till now. is there any fun build? i dont like 1 hit kill builds and shit like that i love parry, soul shields and speed 

https://streamable.com/jqf7wy
vid related. for cool fights like this one i dont mind but fights like the one with bikke and multiple adds are pure cancer because i do so little damage to them and the fight is so long, every tip is appreciated, the game is fucking amazing
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>>634345363
Only time I used Extra Mode so far was the fight with Omega Weapon / Transcendent because after learning how to deal with Omega Weapon I was getting filtered by Transcendent for almost 2 hours and I just wanted to skip Omega at that point.
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>>634345363
A few people, but Extra mode is specifically an infinite crutch for people who don't try to learn the game's mechanics to actually fight through and enjoy the challenges it presents, so I would say you are robbing yourself of a significant part of the game's experience.
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>>634345613
It's moreso that damage on Hard is just dramatically inflated, your video looks like fine damage to me and you weren't even using particularly heavy damage abilities but I'm just tired of the obsession to ruin any fight by instantly killing everything in seconds and ignoring the context of the fights. Regardless, job level limit releases and placing Master Points properly is one of the biggest immediate increases in overall strength you can get, you can use the gear you find or what the game gave you after levelling it up and change it's effects if you want but you don't need to do that quite yet. There's a significant amount of variety in build options though.
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>>634345613
>i love parry, soul shields and speed
Consider Knight for the damage on parry/soul shield, and Samurai affinity for guaranteed criticals on successful parries, possibly even as your second job for Meikyo Shisui (MP gain on parry).
Sword and board is pretty fast as far as weapons are concerned. Intellect will boost the parry/soul shield damage, and you can put mastery points into gaining a damage buff on parry. Later on you (end of DLC2, DLC3) you'll get summon blessings on your gear and one of them is Alexander's who will debuff your enemy on successful parries as well.
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>>634346542
yeah i dont want to instantly kill bosses too, so i should pay attention to master points then. nice, i was using those 2 because they were the only ones i had the job release, thx for the info
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>>634345613
looks fine, once you hit the rift level that adds basic job abilities to their 400% affinity you should replace swordfighter and lancer for classes that self-buff
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>>634346668
>>634346975
oh nice im taking notes, thx anons
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>>634346975
Basic jobs can still be worth using for their class effects and just having it as an ability to do right away, which is underrated. It comes down to whatever someone wants to do.
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>>634345104
I found it really good for aggressive and fast bosses to get big openings
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My ninja/assassin set is godly. Put tyrant 400 on both for guaranteed crits on ailing enemies and better ailment accumulation for ninja. Ninja is focused on landing ailments to constantly restore tools and thus keep that invincibility jutsu active. Go daggers on ninja for poison/paralysis action abilities to land ailments. Go Shiva blessing to make your crits also inflict slow. Elemental ninpo are great for crowd control and will inflict their elemental ailment and slow easily for double tool restoration. Also will knock down mobs and make them easy to approach. Put void knight on the ninja set to get haste while above 400 MP. Focus purely on dodging with the occasional parry because parrying won't eat your free hit. Also get ninja 600 on both for dodge MP recovery because assassin is focused on dodging too. Ideally get a riot magic or calamitous magic accessory for max MP building since you don't want to be soul shielding at all. Either that or squeeze summoner chain cancel on their somewhere but I just used the riot magic accessory. Anyways once ninja lands an ailments, switch to assassin and build easy stacks since everything is now crits. Use action abilities that hit multiple times, I used the claw spiral (great gap closer) and windmill since I went fist assassin. After you get 20 stacks chain cancel back to ninja to instantly cash in. Ravager is the way to go and this will feel like pure sex in general with the 40 billion hits you just landed. Throw in barrage for extra sex but you'll probably crash the game. Also go Fenrir for your assassin. It'll turn your entire next action ability into crits. When chain canceling back, the auto assassinate basically counts as the action ability you just used meaning it'll all be crits as well if you previously had fenrir up. Also go for crit MP/HP recovery. Build for agility and strength on assassin. Ninja makes use of both of those as well as spirit and int. Definitely want spirit for easier ailments.
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>been playing mostly void knight and black mage
>get a couple nice berserker pieces
>try it out
>casual 60k hits
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Alright, made it to Bahamut level, pretty much tired of the constant challenge. At what point is the Chaos Advent armor?
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>>634340801
black mage is busted yeah, wait till you get sage
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>>634349210
cyclic armor is at the end of dlc3
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>SoP threads explode once the game comes to steam
none of you are real fans
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>>634345363
Bosses start input reading on bahamaut difficulty.
Once I beat the levels I needed to for job limit releases, I went back, activated chaos mode, and just spammed life drain + teleport to skip to level 250 gear.
Then I fought Bahamaut normally. 
There is so much grinding that you can just skip. You get downscaled for co-op anyway.
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>>634349369
I own it on egs too nigger, bought it again on steam just to work out file transfer for the pirates.
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>>634349369
not everyone owns a ps5
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>>634349369
i literally bought the game twice bro
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>>634331924 (OP)
I'm still walled by the Behemoth.....
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>>634349871
>>634349736
if you bought it twice, i apologize and e-suck your penis

>>634349783
own this cock in your mouth
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>>634344707
What the fuck is a dimension bringer?
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i hope jack becomes a transdimensional being like gilgemesh and pops up every now and then through final fantasy games, but i hope his story continues in general so we can kill other final fantasy characters (especially lightning)
and i think it would be incredibly based if we fight squall. Not only because fighting a gunblade wielder means a gunblade class would be in the game, but more so because seeing a rage edge lord versus an emo edgelord would be funny as fuck
--- 634350234
I mean it bros; I'm, like, genuinely stuck here. I thought I had something good going and I was properly geared but now I can't just survive! I dont want to lower the difficulty but idk what to do.
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>>634350147
one of the alternates from lightbringer, you za warudo things
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>>634348935
I do this but with Duellist and Odin. The physical weakness debuff counts for Tyrant.
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>>634350178
i wanna fight this fucker on the god damn moon
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>>634350234
It's not your gear. You need to learn his patterns because while slow and easy to read he's extremely damaging if he does land a hit on you. More patience and keeping your offense safe with Chain Cancels.
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>>634350446
So there's no trick or mechanic I'm missing, I just gotta have patience and get gud?
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>>634350446
It could absolutely be his gear
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>>634350147
dimension bringer works like Quicksilver or Nero's Ragtime in DMC
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>>634350585
If you're optimising your openings and the fight is still taking more than 5 minutes then I'd get some more damage and come back.
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>>634350234
What are you having trouble with? Can you make it to his second phase somewhat consistently?
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>>634349887
>Fighting Behemoth for the first time, get blown up by megaflare cos can't stagger him
>Go in all guns blazing second try, still fail to stun him in time
>But my last combo rolled 21 on my Blackjack
>MFW
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>>634350585
I can't know what you're missing because I don't know how you've been playing the game, but I can see you're most likely still on the first playthrough and Hard mode, and in that instance you don't need to do anything build related to be able to rip through bosses. And learning the core mechanics of Break/MP management between jobs, Chain Cancelling and spending that MP to keep offense going are what's most important.
>>634350593
It's never someone's gear. And it's especially not his gear because he's in Hard mode at most.
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>>634350593
For the most part, I've just been using Optimize Equipment but I only recently started aiming for job affinity. This is what I'm currently using.
>>634350816
I can make it to his 2nd phase, it just dont feel like I can kill it fast enough. It's attacks are at least 60% of my health each.
>>634350701
Do weapon types matter against different enemies? Although, I wouldn't expect a FF Behemoth to be that simple.
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>>634351274
>stagger him
what? Just go behind him
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>>634351298
>It's never someone's gear
Wrong
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>>634350147
Fucking warmech nigga
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>>634351325
does your average gear level in the main menu have an exclamation point? you do way less break damage and take more if it does
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>Get lv57 gear from the sidemissions after Marilith
>Now snow montain and earth cave are 10lvs behind
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>>634351332
I didn't know that first time; the party members were saying I needed to stop him.
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>>634351752
Are you talking about the Red Excalmation point by the Mission Level? Yes there is. I just Optimized my Equipment again and it went away. Was that really it? If so, then when does Job Affinity really start mattering?
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>>634351950
>when does Job Affinity really start mattering?
when you can start getting some 400s along with 250s
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>>634351325
Excessive gear attention is ironically what's giving you some trouble and I fully blame the attitudes pushed by the other moron for that because he's wilfully tricking people through sheer egotism into misunderstanding the game's early progression and how to actually learn to play. For a start you might have fell for the same obviously incorrect issue where Job Affinity doesn't have to match the job you're using because they are just set bonuses. If there's a red ! next to the mission level then your average gear level isn't close enough which incurs a Break penalty which won't help matters. This is one reason why just Optimizing is preferred and any adjustments beyond that are made while staying within levels. But your weapon is high enough so your damage is otherwise going to be decent enough.

To actually deal with Behemoth, his high damage is a hallmark but he is slow to attack. Staying behind him especially in phase 2 is effective but you have to be prepared to handle his unblockables by backing off. Staying behind works well for Megaflare as well if you can't interrupt it. With Ninja you have Utsusemi and Kanashibari which is great against him for these reasons.
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>>634351325
regular enemies do have weapon weaknesses and elemental weaknesses 
when it comes to bosses they have just have elemental weaknesses, Behemoth is one of the bosses that does not have a weakness 
You should be focusing your attacks on Behemoths head, legs and wings as those are the areas where it takes increased break damage. 
If you're having trouble with Ninja try fighting with an Axe job maybe to get some heavier hits it
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>>634351325
Weapon types have physical properties (slash, blunt, pierce) which can make them more or less effective against certain bosses/enemies. I don't think Behemoth has any physical weaknesses though. If you have been auto optimizing then your gear level should probably be within mission level though you can check by pausing the game and looking in the top right corner. You get a huge penalty if you're not within mission level so that's sometimes an issue. Otherwise just gotta learn his patterns, his crystal phase can be annoying. Try dodging the claw slams that shoot out a trail of crystals. Those hit multiple times. Either that or you can parry then dodge/block the follow-up ticks of damage. He loves to do that big gay frontal AOE so always assume he's going to do that shit. If you're fast enough you can get behind him to avoid that if I remember right though it has a pretty wide hit box. You can use the ninja jutsu to tank the big flare attack if you can't stagger him out of it.
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>>634351950
It's not some special flag that makes you get fucked just because the exclamation point is there, but the way the game calculates damage will cause you to get fucked if your stats / ATK / DEF are slightly behind the content or fuck everything up if they're slightly ahead. Going from 250 to 280 physical attack doesn't sound like it should be a big deal. It sounds like it should be a 12% increase, but if the content is tuned for 270 then it might be more like a 200% increase.
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>>634351950
You generally only start actively making a build in DLC2 when fusing becomes available, before then having limit releases and Master Points as well as using the abilities you've learned and at most the gear they give levelled and changed if you want to.
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>>634352228
>blah blah blah blah
Gear, levels and builds rule this game. If you haven't realised that by now then you weren't paying attention.
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>>634352374
>>634352401
I see, that's a good breakdown. 
How far into the story am I? I really want to get to that build-making point.
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>>634352374
You are genuinely giving him completely backwards priorities for Hard mode and are too sheltered in your own mindset to understand it. The gear that consistently drops always keeps you on the curve and Hard mode is severely downtuned, with the exception of how hard enemies and bosses can hit which will only be multiplied if they do increased Break damage.
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>>634352772
No faggot, if he rushed through story missions and hasn't been equipping higher level gear / doing any side missions then he can 100% progress ahead of his gear level. If you've never managed to push in front of the curve before realising it you probably suck dick at the game. That's why I specified a time. Behemoth is intended to one-shot you, but he shouldn't take 15 minutes of aggressive DPS.
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>>634352769
You're quite near the end now at which point Chaos and DLC1/Bahamut will unlock. In Chaos mode you can start messing with builds because aside from the %s always going up, how postgame difficulties work is you choose mission levels which drop specific level equipment and they all cap at the same one. So you can keep that for the entirety of that difficulty (Chaos caps at 300, Bahamut caps at 400) and though you can jump to Bahamut some have issues getting used to it so you may ideally want to go through Chaos first to make getting limit releases and levelling jobs smoother in preparation.
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>>634353196
Thanks a lot for the help, Anon. This story has turned to be shorter than i expected which is why i'm glad i got the complete package. I have played Nioh a bit that game seems like it's way too long. Short and replayable is better than a game that's too long.
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>>634353157
>schizo babble, mindless ignorance of what he actually said and desperate projection to protect ego
Change the record for once. He already said he was hitting Optimize, and that's all that is required to have on-level gear after killing things through any mission. Doesn't matter if you do only main missions because they will always drop gear at the level of that mission, and his jobs are maxed out. No one said anything about 15 minutes, this is all in your head. Stay there and let the people who actually understand the game talk.
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I respect Neon's boobies and trust Sophia's lips implicitly.
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>>634353619
>people who actually understand the game
Post 30 seconds of you playing the game
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>>634343140
Blue mage, black mage probably.
--- 634353901
fuck this game tiamat is impossible dogshit game
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>>634353901
just keep hitting her
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>>634353510
It is a bit shorter compared to Nioh on the initial playthrough but just as filled with postgame DLC replayability beyond, though not quite as indepth combat-wise as that game which is just unmatched in that regard. If you enjoy the game then you can spend literally thousands of hours on it if you wish and there's a ton of variety in jobs, builds and playstyles to try out.
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>>634353901
filtered
Although I'm not sure how. Tiamat is very easy
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>>634353880
Blue Mage only works for enemy spells, Black Mage lets you regrow Max MP, not current MP.
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>>634353968
I was put off by the complexity of Nioh but that was years ago and SoP has definitely made me want to play Nioh 2.
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>>634343140
I imagine Hunter 400% might help with it now, as would Red Mage 400%. Parry: MP Recovery paired with Monk 250% would also give a big MP buffer, and Critical: MP Recovery is always nice too. One of the most copied Youtube builds involved Chaosbringer spam.
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>>634343140
Evoker has MP regain when at full health and is good for magic casters. Red mage has it's own affinity that restores both current and max mp when you inflict an ailment so you'll want that as well.
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>>634354304
It's totally worth it, it's still one of the best action games of modern times. The complexity and depth of options should be something to be appreciated, not put off by, because it simply means more things you can spend time on and enjoy as you go through the game. It has plenty of things to start off with and you can take your time practicing as much as you want before progressing, and there's many methods of taking any pressure off similar to SoP.
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>>634349369

Not wanting to inconvenience yourself to play a specific piece of media doesn't preclude you from being a fan. 

FFXVI probably won't come to Steam for at least a year or two but I'm waiting because I don't wanna get a console. I also don't have any interest in EGS.
--- 634354642
Astos' second phase and Darkness Manifest take a dump on the frames.
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>>634354162
Fair enough was working from memory. You still want black mage. Just use magic regen command ability.
--- 634355138
So I beat all of chaos, every mission in bahamut except the boss rush one with the fiends. I went into the rift and i'm getting my shit pushed in on floor 4. Any tips for actually making a build now? I'm not 100% sure what jobs I wanna do yet but I like magic, I've been leaning on sage super hard even though it was my backup job with red mage as main.
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>>634354629
you sound like a persona 5 fan
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>>634354549

My only problem with Nioh 2 is I never figured out how to efficiently manage all of the fucking Soul Cores or whatever they were called. I wish that system were a bit simpler and you just leveled individual cores rather than making it also part of the RNG drop systems. 

I put 242 hours into that game and it's the only thing that felt overwhelming almost the whole time.
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>>634355138
Just try and stick it out for a couple more floors until you unlock fusion at the smithy which blows the game wide open. Then start combing through your storehouse for any gear with effects like Int (raw stats are very important), Magic Sigil reduced MP cost/increased charge time/increased damage, and near death damage dealt (if you have Dark Knight 400%, which you should) and cram them on to your best gear pieces. Also make sure you're feeding your monsters (you won't have them all yet, but doing a full round of feeding gives I think +40 to every stat along with various other bonuses), and if you're ever in danger of running out of rift points go back up your save because a game over is extremely punishing.
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>>634355138
Look through the affinities all the jobs have and try and figure out what would synergize well together. Also the two job abilities of each job. The building aspect in SoP is the best Team Ninja has done so far.
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>>634355147
It takes slightly more time than the rest of the loot which is still very little time. All you really need to do is lock at least one of each one for experimental purposes, fuse the same ones to increase the rank to max and then fuse that one to whichever higher level/rarity one that has the effects you want, store Mortal Soul Cores for type changing and dump all the rest. Then later on there's putting effects on if you want to. There are a few things I would have much preferred them to make less of a hassle regarding Soul Cores no tempering and Inheritance is far too rare especially with needing to kill specific enemies. Loot did an excellent job avoiding that generally but for the most part Soul Cores don't need that much effort.
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>>634355687
How do I store things?
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>>634355825
I think you press square in the equipment menu and just select 'send all to storage'. You have like 6000 slots so you don't have to clean it out very often.
--- 634355971
So what are the best summons to use? Currently unning 700% Bahumut for my enemy clearing Berserker with 400% Ramuh for my Paladin to keep MP generation nice and high.
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i just unlocked lufenian difficulty and im really struggling, what build, preferably ranged would you recommend for a shitter
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>>634355138
Obligatory check to make sure you got all the job level limit releases, set Master Points to core stats and Parry/Critical and are using Sentinel. After that, chests in the hall respawn when going to the map and back, and give more limit releases, tons of Rift resources and free Summon Blessing gear which can be dismantled for the stuff that you open the chests with. Some general purpose Job Affinities to consider are listed in >>634339176 and besides that it will come down to what you like using and what sounds fun, but make sure you actually swapped to the classes and upgraded their job trees too. 
>>634355825
When in the cubes, going to the item menu and pressing square brings up a menu to select storing one or everything.
>>634355971
In terms of primary blessing basically anything that isn't Titan is worth using. Shoutouts to Phoenix for being able to make you unkillable if you're good enough to be consistent, which is a decent litmus test for how well you know the combat actually.
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>game is great but wont get a sequel because of SE and KT's shit marketing
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fun builds that use guns?
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>>634356443
>anything that isn't Titan is worth using
have you tried titan post 1.31 when they fixed switching jobs removing it? it would be nice to know if anyone bothered before wasting time testing titan.
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>>634355807

Like I said, it's the only thing I felt like that about. Doesn't mean it wasn't doable, but I always felt worried about fucking up in a kind of unpleasant way, especially since you had a limited stock. I'd have rather you got a permanent version of each Soul and could use Cores (or whatever you decided to call them) to level and add attributes, etc. Just so I don't have to eliminate or utilize Core types that I'm not actively using.
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Chaos, I know you're in this fucking thread.
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>>634356671
https://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/koei-tecmo-2023-business-overview-q1-q2-team-ninja-breaks-records-while-other-divisions-struggle.9249/
hopefully we have a sequel
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>>634357126
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>>634356813
While it definitely added to how pointless it was that was never the biggest problem with it, it barely being able to take any damage even after waiting several minutes was the issue. Especially when you can slap on one piece of Phoenix and get a reraise in a fraction of the time.
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>Got level 300 gear
>Figured that would be enough to fight bahamaut legit
>Still die in 2 or 3 hits
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>>634356942
Well, there just wasn't any real reason to feel that way if you know you can simply lock one of each. They're not limited either, every time you kill things there's a chance of the core dropping and you have more than enough inventory space to carry them about, even though you can store them anyway.
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>>634357373
I'm more curious on its damage reduction vs full alexander stacks. best sta, 2nd place hp, tied for 2nd in both str and spi, debuffs enemies, alexander is completely stacked for physical jobs.
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>>634357837
It doesn't reduce damage, it's like Sentinel if instead of being based on max HP and still being high at low max HP it's based on a pact it secretly formed with the enemies to bait you into thinking it helps when it's like 200ish less in most scenarios so they can catch you offguard. Honestly it has to be seen to be believed and I would like to think there was some secret trick or hidden buff to it but it was inexplicably bad. Even if you were using it for stats it would be worth equipping one piece of anything else just to get a primary blessing worth something.
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>>634358374
so by nullifies it means it has its own hp pool instead of just being a percentage damage reduction? I wonder how buff duration and enemy attacks deplete buffs work with it. I'm actually kind of interested in testing it now.
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>>634359150
Like Sentinel, yes. I think Sentinel is not affected by either of those and since Titan is influenced by just time I feel like it wouldn't be affected either way by them either but I'm just throwing it out there.
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JUST TELL US ABOUT THE CRYSTALS
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>>634331924 (OP)
Just beat the game for first time on Hard, what's the best way to into Chaos mode? Just farm that kill 51 enemies mission until geared?
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>>634357569
>tfw beat bahamut first try with 230 gear
Though some guy joined my game which probably made it a lot easier which I kind of regret
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>>634360052
I've just been using the Welfare Warrior of Light set and using spare anima crystals to level it up, along with a greatsword with good skills that I found on it. The affinities on the WoL set make you tanky and give you a free raise so you can unga bunga.
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>>634359516
yeah, already tested it with summoner/cyclic LB spam to see if it could be topped off fast. comparing a hit from full charge and no charge with the same conditions the reduction looks to be somewhere between 10 and 20% of your max hp. on a full titan, double monked, 40k hp paladin it's probably decent but what other summon requires you to spec completely in to it?
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Started Chaos mode, been building up my main jobs like nin and rdm. Got level caps to 99 for them. Will start going further into DLC soon. 
Looking forward to new jobs and beyond.
Even with lv 300+ gear, these mobs one or 2 shot me still, if I get clumsy.
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>>634360314
Nice. Where do you get your first anima crystals to unlock the chaos missions?
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>>634360640
chaos shrine doesn't need crystals for its lowest level
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I fucking hate those Status affliciotn Bahamut Trials so fucking much.
>Get clapped by a stray hit in group fights? Haha, enjoy your 10 sec paralysis bro
Actual fucking cance
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>>634360640
I think from the sidemissions you get after the last mission on Hard? I can't actually remember but I had enough to make the first mission on Chaos like level 140 I think. I think you can do that mission on Chaos right away and get crystals there, then as soon as you can do missions at like level 200 you get lods of crystals.
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>>634361037
Ah okay thanks anons.
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I fucking did it bros...
I beat the Behemoth. I just kept the fundamentals in mind.
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How do you make chaosbringer work? I honestly cant figure out how to get my MP back up after I lose it all.

Also, what does the two diamonds next to an item mean?
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I ended up running through the stage again and got some better gear, higher levels with the right affinity too. having Way of the Ninja most certainly helped.
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>>634357569
I found him pretty easy with my paladin as soon as I was a high enough ilevel to fight him with the exclamation penalty.
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>>634361578
Think it means it's saved to a preset.
>>634361516
Grats anon.
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>>634361578
you need affinities that restore your max mp
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>>634361002
I either run Paladin 400% or the accessory to not even bother with effects.
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>hated the katana when I first tried it
>now a single opening lets me go wild with attacks
At last I truly see
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>>634362028
I'm really struggling with katana not sure when or even how I should be using Senshin Stance and just end up eating shit.
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>>634362196
I just use Garo as the base skill >into senshin and slash away until I need to gtfo
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>>634331924 (OP)
So I finally let the game optimize my stuff instead of myself, not only did my guy hit harder now which proved I didn't know what I was doing, but fashion wise it was better cause it made a kamen rider
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when will stacking hp/mp regen on parry and using GS enhanced block stop working if ever
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>>634362196
I basically just use first combo hit into Garo when there’s an opening. Garo is a bit slow to come out though. Against human size bosses, Ichijin attacks and moves behind them so you can use it like a dodge without leaving Senshin by setting it as the first attack in an R2 combo. If you think you’re gonna get hit and your timing is decent you can attack parry.
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>>634361868
Like void knight? Anything else?
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>>634363264
I think cyclic warrior 250% does
black mage 400%
red mage 400%
probably others i don't remember right now
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>>634362494
The nearly random appearances Jack gets with the Optimize option produces some legit kino